Fulham 1-2 Aston Villa post match pint

[Somniloquism]

If you ignore Bailey, the defender is keeping Moreno onside?

Is he? Look at the first picture and remember we are not direct on from the side of the pitch. So whilst Moreno is level on the picture, to be on he needs to be further to the right then the defender.

A good example of misleading angles for the view is to look at the far defender who also looks close to being level with them, but the line shows him half a foot further forward then the defender on the centre.

[AlexAlexCropley]

If you ignore Bailey, the defender is keeping Moreno onside?

Is he? Look at the first picture and remember we are not direct on from the side of the pitch. So whilst Moreno is level on the picture, to be on he needs to be further to the right then the defender.

A good example of misleading angles for the view is to look at the far defender who also looks close to being level with them, but the line shows him half a foot further forward then the defender on the centre.

He was on

[Somniloquism]

they drew a line off Baileys foot which was bizarre antics

Nah they didn't. It looked that because the red line was on Baileys foot, but there is a dotted line they added to Moreno which blended in with his shirt on the still.

So do you think he was on or off?

My personal opinion, it was a very close call and the lines could have given it or not depending on where they were drawn, however if we didn't have VAR, it was still a disallowed goal as that was the on-pitch decision. But not sure on the pile on when I was just correcting Tims mistaken belief (which I also though during the match) that it was Bailey who was judged when it wasn't.

Not piling-on, I only saw the last half hour so was interested if it was an obvious error or not.

I had the same question on it from two people in succession when all I was stating to Tim was it wasn't on Bailey. The more I look at the pics posted by OCD and TV, I actually think he was just off unfortunately. Luckily it didn't matter in the end.

[andyh]

Look at the feet of Moreno and the defender compared to the 6 yard line, which is a perfect reference point

[Percy McCarthy]

they drew a line off Baileys foot which was bizarre antics

Nah they didn't. It looked that because the red line was on Baileys foot, but there is a dotted line they added to Moreno which blended in with his shirt on the still.

This shows otherwise

Erm…. it doesn’t.

[Ian.]

If you ignore Bailey, the defender is keeping Moreno onside?

Is he? Look at the first picture and remember we are not direct on from the side of the pitch. So whilst Moreno is level on the picture, to be on he needs to be further to the right then the defender.

A good example of misleading angles for the view is to look at the far defender who also looks close to being level with them, but the line shows him half a foot further forward then the defender on the centre.

He was on

This is why VAR is not ready yet for ruling games. It’s still too subjective because we’re relying on opinions. It’s too fine a margin when we’re talking about timings, angles and placement of the camera.

I’m not sure what the answer is though.

[Somniloquism]

Look at the feet of Moreno and the defender compared to the 6 yard line, which is a perfect reference point

Moreno's feet doesn't matter as that wasn't what they used to draw the line.

[Somniloquism]

This is why VAR is not ready yet for ruling games. It’s still too subjective because we’re relying on opinions. It’s too fine a margin when we’re talking about timings, angles and placement of the camera.

I’m not sure what the answer is though.

Angles and placements of the camera for the VAR lines don't matter* for the VAR lines as the computers draw those lines based on where the person puts the pointer on the image. The subjective parts are the stop of action (when ball is touched) and the part of the body they draw the lines. Both of those are mostly fixed with using the Semi-auto systems used in Europe.

* Apart from some matches when the cameras do not cover the whole of the pitch.

[john2710]

I thought the ref was dreadful, but they all are. The offside was close, I'd say he was level & therefore onside, but I never seen VAR give a decision saying they are level. I didn't think it was a penalty on Watkins.

We were by far the better side & should have been well clear by the time they scored.

[Gareth]

If you ignore Bailey, the defender is keeping Moreno onside?

Is he? Look at the first picture and remember we are not direct on from the side of the pitch. So whilst Moreno is level on the picture, to be on he needs to be further to the right then the defender.

A good example of misleading angles for the view is to look at the far defender who also looks close to being level with them, but the line shows him half a foot further forward then the defender on the centre.

He was on

This is why VAR is not ready yet for ruling games. It’s still too subjective because we’re relying on opinions. It’s too fine a margin when we’re talking about timings, angles and placement of the camera.

I’m not sure what the answer is though.

A tolerance is the only answer when you have no technology to prove that the picture being used is the correct one as the ball being passed is a subjective decision not factual

[Jon Crofts]

I’m not really into conspiracy theories but watching the highlights again makes me think there’s something wrong with the FA, PGMOL and Lewis Smith specifically.

[The Man With A Stick]

Fulham are a wank stain of a football club. 

Are they really?  They're one of those clubs who I always forget are there.  If you asked me to name 50 league clubs I'd probably mention Oldham and Wimbledon before even thinking of Fulham.

[Baldy]

A big thank you to Dion Dublin. In Football Focus today he reckoned Toney would be number two behind Kane for Euros.

Must have got right up Ollie's nose.

Brilliant result Villa.

[VillaTim]

they drew a line off Baileys foot which was bizarre antics

Nah they didn't. It looked that because the red line was on Baileys foot, but there is a dotted line they added to Moreno which blended in with his shirt on the still.

This shows otherwise

like i said they drew a line off Baileys foot which was bizarre antics

[VillaTim]

are they saying Bailey was active so was off ?