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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Smirker on November 18, 2023, 09:43:08 PM
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Sunday 26th November, 2pm kick-off.
May as well 8)
A great chance here. Spurs have hit a bit of dodgy form and have some injuries and bans. We are getting stronger and stronger.
Win by one goal.
FTF.
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Not to sound overly dramatic but this game could define the rest of the season for both teams.
A win away from home against a team technically above us in the table would be a great result for us after some not great away performances. Given the run of games we have coming up it would be great to start with 3 points and moving up a spot in the table.
As for Spurs, they've had a good start, can't deny that. They've bought into whatever Ange is selling but they're possible without 8 players for this game. The fans were already getting rowdy when they lost to Wolves, so another loss, at home, could be the thing that knocks their whole season off. Not that I want to see that happen, of course.
Anyway, seems a pretty important game to get a result out of for both teams. I think we have the beating of them, and would have even without their injuries, but with them missing so many I'll be disappointed if we don't get a win.
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"Technically" above us!
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I'm going for a win I reckon 2-1 to us.
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Them to cheat and scrape a draw
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Really looking forward to this game. 2 very good teams who like to play attacking football. I am sure if win it will be all about thier injuries whilst ours will not be mentioned.
If they lose it will be 3 on the bounce for "Ang ball" so let's see if they continue to blow up his arse.
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I think we'll win as "Ange-Ball" is made for us, I just don't know by how many.
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We need to put our slightly dodgy away form behind us and funeral Tottingham. Getting the set up right from the start would be good.
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2-1 us (Watkins, McGinn)
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Looking at Spurs depleted team and dip in form, anything but a win will feel a bit disappointing
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Emphatic away win which will take us out of the shadows. We're gonna hammer some team one of these days. Oh wait...
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We could not beat Forest away and Spurs even with injuries will be a tougher challenge.
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We could not beat Forest away and Spurs even with injuries will be a tougher challenge.
Tough as their players are better that Forests but they will not play the same way - look winnable
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We could not beat Forest away and Spurs even with injuries will be a tougher challenge.
Spurs are a better team but the stats show that since they came back up, Forest don’t lose many at home.
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If we go marching into Spurs with an allegro or even presto tempo while they are droning out their lento, largo dirge then we shall funeral them andante in A-Flat major.
FaTCFa!
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Our forwards must play against a high-line all the time in training. A better drilled one too. And with their centre backs not even being their first choice ones, you would think we would be getting through more often than Chelsea did. We just need to be better defensively.
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This confidence is unnerving in a Foresty way
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Yeah there's no way we should be this chipper! They're still very good, and Son is like a player grown in our arch-enemy's lab to exploit our biggest weakness. Yes, we have weapons to hurt them too, and nothing wrong with a bit of confidence, but this looks to me like a very tough one indeed, one of the toughest matches of the season.
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Yes, we will lose.
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I just want us to beat these bastards so much.
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I think even with their injuries, we'll lose this one.
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Yeah there's no way we should be this chipper! They're still very good, and Son is like a player grown in our arch-enemy's lab to exploit our biggest weakness. Yes, we have weapons to hurt them too, and nothing wrong with a bit of confidence, but this looks to me like a very tough one indeed, one of the toughest matches of the season.
I think your right about Son and as superb as I think Torres is, Son’s pace against Pau’s lack of it is a concern. I was there on New Years Day though when Emery completely outsmarted Conte and although they are in a better place and playing for their manager now compared to then, the players that have made them better are all largely going to be missing. Other than Burnley we’re not really finding any away games easy, but we definitely have enough to win this. It would be handy to have Moreno and Ramsey for enough to be on the bench.
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I think we win the game , they will come at us which suits us , but we do need Diaby to show up for this one
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4-4...we're breezing it and somehow Marlon Harewood re-emerges and helps to fcuk it up for us...
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We'll beat spurs 2-0.
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2-0.
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I think we win the game , they will come at us which suits us , but we do need Diaby to show up for this one
Haven’t we cut our losses with that guy yet….
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Looking at Spurs depleted team and dip in form, anything but a win will feel a bit disappointing
Draw will be fine. They have Man. City away the following weekend while we have Bournemouth so we *should* be above them very soon.
Would be very disappointing to lose to them while they miss their entire spine that's got them off to a good start...both first choice CBs, Bissouma and Maddison is a little too much for them to cope without playing level of opposition like us.
Of course it could all change if we gift them an early goal but I think we'll just approach things as we did on NYD last season, low block first half and then step it up in second half.
1-2.
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Yeah there's no way we should be this chipper! They're still very good, and Son is like a player grown in our arch-enemy's lab to exploit our biggest weakness. Yes, we have weapons to hurt them too, and nothing wrong with a bit of confidence, but this looks to me like a very tough one indeed, one of the toughest matches of the season.
Son was offside about 12 times in the VP game last season (although he was off form then compared to now).
In the away match he didn't do anything. They had one shot on target all game and that was with Olsen in goal.
Tell me I'm not imagining it but I'm sure we barely did any attacking that day for first half. But we scored first and then it was very comfortable so certainly the right strategy from UE given Liverpool had exposed the high line badly the game before.
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"Technically" above us!
Every club higher than us in the table is only ever "technically" above us. In every other sense of the word they are beneath us.
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Was told that Ramsey would be back for Sunday to play in some capacity. It may be bollocks but here's hoping
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Yes, we will lose.
No we won't!
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I don't think they'll be able to cope with our attacking.
Because of Spurs' careless cavalier approach and poor temperament, add the injuries, it's the type of contest where we most definitely will win due to naivety of Spurs and Emery strategies for a masterclass in attacking transitions
I think Emery will devise several ways in exploiting weaknesses of Spurs team and despite conceding we'll run on winners in a four-goal-to-one romp.
I sense a Watkins and Diaby brace on the way.
Villa will be too good and learnt from the Forest match.
UTV!
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We should be able to beat Spurs reserves - they have a lot of injuries / suspensions
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I think this will be 1-1 they’re better than some suggest even with their injury list.
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I think this is a really tough one to call. Without the international break I think we'd have beaten them. With them having their reserves in central defence and central midfield I'd hope we can dominate in there but it's whether they've been able to use the extra week off to get a bit more familiarity in that new group and get them setup with the same sort of targeted plan that we've seen other teams try recently.
I'm guessing at a 1-2 win but it think it comes down to who scores first.
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still going to be a tough game so please just win Villa.
UTV
The Doc
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I think this is a really tough one to call. Without the international break I think we'd have beaten them. With them having their reserves in central defence and central midfield I'd hope we can dominate in there but it's whether they've been able to use the extra week off to get a bit more familiarity in that new group and get them setup with the same sort of targeted plan that we've seen other teams try recently.
I think we can expect them to come at us straight from kick off. Teams that have set about us early have had some success particularly away.
Even with the injuries they can put out a solid team with a very dangerous attack.
Agree I think the first goal could be vital.
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It’s going to be bloody tough. Let’s not forget we’ve been a bit ropey away from home, so we’re going to have to properly turn up for this.
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So far they've been purely one dimensional under Ange. Even when it works for them they're never in control of games that I've seen, it's always so frantic. I just feel that unai will have something up his sleeve, and also the amount of players they'll be missing it'll be very difficult to keep up what they've been doing so far
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Sid, we couldn’t beat Forest reserves but, hoping we stop Spurs reserves from marching in, very slowly!!
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Being unable to keep a clean sheet is a concern as we always need 2 minimum to win
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Being unable to keep a clean sheet is a concern as we always need 2 minimum to win
Yeah, but we average nearly 3 goals a game so it's all good.
2-0 or 3-1 us.
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Being unable to keep a clean sheet is a concern as we always need 2 minimum to win
Yeah, but we average nearly 3 goals a game so it's all good.
2-0 or 3-1 us.
not in away games , only 1 a game average so we need to improve to win the game
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This has the potential to be a cracking game. They, at home, are really good, they play attacking football and thus leave opportunities for the opposition to score. We are experts at that.
So 0-0. :-)
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Yeah there's no way we should be this chipper! They're still very good, and Son is like a player grown in our arch-enemy's lab to exploit our biggest weakness. Yes, we have weapons to hurt them too, and nothing wrong with a bit of confidence, but this looks to me like a very tough one indeed, one of the toughest matches of the season.
Son was offside about 12 times in the VP game last season (although he was off form then compared to now).
In the away match he didn't do anything. They had one shot on target all game and that was with Olsen in goal.
Tell me I'm not imagining it but I'm sure we barely did any attacking that day for first half. But we scored first and then it was very comfortable so certainly the right strategy from UE given Liverpool had exposed the high line badly the game before.
It's the game where the players went in at half-time, feeling like they had been battered and we're in for a bollocking from the manager. Only to be told that the half had gone exactly how Emery had expected and that second half, the game would start to open up and opportunities would come. The game where the players started to realise just how good their manager is.
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Yeah there's no way we should be this chipper! They're still very good, and Son is like a player grown in our arch-enemy's lab to exploit our biggest weakness. Yes, we have weapons to hurt them too, and nothing wrong with a bit of confidence, but this looks to me like a very tough one indeed, one of the toughest matches of the season.
Son was offside about 12 times in the VP game last season (although he was off form then compared to now).
In the away match he didn't do anything. They had one shot on target all game and that was with Olsen in goal.
Tell me I'm not imagining it but I'm sure we barely did any attacking that day for first half. But we scored first and then it was very comfortable so certainly the right strategy from UE given Liverpool had exposed the high line badly the game before.
It's the game where the players went in at half-time, feeling like they had been battered and we're in for a bollocking from the manager. Only to be told that the half had gone exactly how Emery had expected and that second half, the game would start to open up and opportunities would come. The game where the players started to realise just how good their manager is.
Ah yes, loved that at the time.
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Halcyon days, new year's '23. But these are also the days 8)
*only with Villa. The world, obviously, gets more buggered by the day.
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It’s going to be bloody tough. Let’s not forget we’ve been a bit ropey away from home, so we’re going to have to properly turn up for this.
We're top of the table for home form, but only 13th for away, and that disparity needs sorting, starting at the weekend. Hopefully as Drummond says, their attacking intent will make it easier for us, but then again Newcastle and Liverpool's attacking intent led to us conceding 8 goals, so who knows?
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It would help if we don't concede a goal in the opening 5 minutes
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It would help if we don't concede a goal
Fixed ;)
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On the flipside if we score first it's pretty much game over
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We are better than them, even with their first choice 11..... We'll come away with 3 points from this one no probs - Was more nervous about the Fulham game.
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A draw would be a good result. Irrespective of their injuries they are good at home and we’re not that good away from Villa Park. We don’t do clean sheets so 2-2.
Falco and Mabbutt for them. Olney and a late Platt equalizer for us.
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I would like us to sign Son, please.
https://twitter.com/LuisOmarTapia/status/1725409247658205360
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The kid wasn't even shivering yet Son had to ride in on his white horse...pfft...what an alpha.
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Son is a great player, back to his best since Kane left. He will cause us problems if not wrecked from all the travelling. Games after an international break are always a strange one so as much as everyone is expecting a 3-3 it might well be a dull enough one. Looks like they will have likes of Eric Dier playing in their defensive high line. Missing Maddison, Udogie, Van de Ven all key players for them this season, Bissouma and Romero suspended.
2-1 to us. Spurs bubble firmly popped. I'd give Bailey his start up with Watkins after his cameo the last day, Diaby to sit it out.
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Douglas Luiz Scored home and away v Spurs last season.
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Yeah but he scores when he wants.
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Under Unai haven't lost a Premier League away match against London opposition. West Ham, Brentford, Chelsea and Spurs.
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2-2
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Under Unai haven't lost a Premier League away match against London opposition. West Ham, Brentford, Chelsea and Spurs.
Prior to that it had been five consecutive defeats culminating in Gerrards 3-0 Fulham debacle.
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Under Unai haven't lost a Premier League away match against London opposition. West Ham, Brentford, Chelsea and Spurs.
Prior to that it had been five consecutive defeats culminating in Gerrards 3-0 Fulham debacle.
And Douglas Luiz red card was rescinded.
The players knew the bigger picture putting in that performance that night.
And so did the fans singing sweetly: Steven Gerrard get out of our club!
It was a complete debacle but don't we just love how it's all turned out since!
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We have four games in ten days, starting with this one. Anything could happen. FTF!
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Under Unai haven't lost a Premier League away match against London opposition. West Ham, Brentford, Chelsea and Spurs.
Prior to that it had been five consecutive defeats culminating in Gerrards 3-0 Fulham debacle.
And Douglas Luiz red card was rescinded.
The players knew the bigger picture putting in that performance that night.
And so did the fans singing sweetly: Steven Gerrard get out of our club!
It was a complete debacle but don't we just love how it's all turned out since!
I walked out after Mings steered one home (for them) and Luiz got an early bath. By the time I was back at the hotel carpethead was gone.
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We have four games in ten days, starting with this one. Anything could happen. FTF!
No this is not the first one! Come on now
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Six matches ahead to approach with excitement but also the usual apprehension that we (and not the Manager) still struggle to shake off.
I prefer to relish what we have in front of us, this is where we crave to be, and better, so let's "have it", as they say.
First up a depleted Spurs side should pose less of a challenge than first thought but I'm wary of our away form, something the Manager has identified and suspect the performance won't be all that. But the result will.
0-1
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To help make up mind if we win this .
Spurs centr back pairing : Davies and Dier.
And they play a high line.
Add Emery tactical plan.
Result.
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To help make up mind if we win this .
Spurs centr back pairing : Davies and Dier.
And they play a high line.
Add Emery tactical plan.
Result.
Because all of your predictions are right, congratulations to Ollie Watkins after last nights scoring spree.
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To help make up mind if we win this .
Spurs centr back pairing : Davies and Dier.
And they play a high line.
Add Emery tactical plan.
Result.
Because all of your predictions are right, congratulations to Ollie Watkins after last nights scoring spree.
Barely had a 'brace' of touches!
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To help make up mind if we win this .
Spurs centr back pairing : Davies and Dier.
And they play a high line.
Add Emery tactical plan.
Result.
Because all of your predictions are right, congratulations to Ollie Watkins after last nights scoring spree.
Barely had a 'brace' of touches!
11 in total in 56 minutes according to Opta.
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Not sure if it has been mentioned, but with both teams liking high lines, will this be the first match where one defence is caught offside by the other one?
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To help make up mind if we win this .
Spurs centr back pairing : Davies and Dier.
And they play a high line.
Add Emery tactical plan.
Result.
Because all of your predictions are right, congratulations to Ollie Watkins after last nights scoring spree.
Barely had a 'brace' of touches!
11 in total in 56 minutes according to Opta.
And two of them might have been taking the kick off at the start and after the NM goal. Ollie will be glad to get back to Villa!!
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Diaby needs a big game , Watkins needs to be more clinical.
A clean sheet would be nice
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To help make up mind if we win this .
Spurs centr back pairing : Davies and Dier.
And they play a high line.
Add Emery tactical plan.
Result.
Because all of your predictions are right, congratulations to Ollie Watkins after last nights scoring spree.
Barely had a 'brace' of touches!
He had 2 big scoring opportunities or XG's or whatever they call them nowadays and managed to flunk them both
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To help make up mind if we win this .
Spurs centr back pairing : Davies and Dier.
And they play a high line.
Add Emery tactical plan.
Result.
Because all of your predictions are right, congratulations to Ollie Watkins after last nights scoring spree.
Barely had a 'brace' of touches!
He had 2 big scoring opportunities or XG's or whatever they call them nowadays and managed to flunk them both
He just missed not flunked, and Diaby needs a big game, like he’s been shit or something, you love a good bit of negativity hey
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Diaby hasn't been on it the last few games , thats a commonly shared observation
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To help make up mind if we win this .
Spurs centr back pairing : Davies and Dier.
And they play a high line.
Add Emery tactical plan.
Result.
Because all of your predictions are right, congratulations to Ollie Watkins after last nights scoring spree.
Barely had a 'brace' of touches!
He had 2 big scoring opportunities or XG's or whatever they call them nowadays and managed to flunk them both
You kept saying that last night and you were wrong then as well, again. He had one, the header.
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Diaby hasn't been on it the last few games , thats a commonly shared observation
He scored a cracker 3 games ago vrs Luton. No one was on it vrs Forest, he didn’t have a great game vrs Fulham. Needing a big game insinuates he has been struggling a lot more than he actually has.
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i actually think we will win the game but we will have to play well and take our chances . It won't be simple and we will need to score 2 or more as i don't see a clean sheet
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Son is a great player, back to his best since Kane left. He will cause us problems if not wrecked from all the travelling. Games after an international break are always a strange one so as much as everyone is expecting a 3-3 it might well be a dull enough one. Looks like they will have likes of Eric Dier playing in their defensive high line. Missing Maddison, Udogie, Van de Ven all key players for them this season, Bissouma and Romero suspended.
2-1 to us. Spurs bubble firmly popped. I'd give Bailey his start up with Watkins after his cameo the last day, Diaby to sit it out.
Is Udogie definitely out? Injured maybe? I don’t think he’s suspended.
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i actually think we will win the game but we will have to play well and take our chances . It won't be simple and we will need to score 2 or more as i don't see a clean sheet
Agree. If we score more than them, I think we'll win.
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Son is a great player, back to his best since Kane left. He will cause us problems if not wrecked from all the travelling. Games after an international break are always a strange one so as much as everyone is expecting a 3-3 it might well be a dull enough one. Looks like they will have likes of Eric Dier playing in their defensive high line. Missing Maddison, Udogie, Van de Ven all key players for them this season, Bissouma and Romero suspended.
2-1 to us. Spurs bubble firmly popped. I'd give Bailey his start up with Watkins after his cameo the last day, Diaby to sit it out.
Is Udogie definitely out? Injured maybe? I don’t think he’s suspended.
i think he is suspended for 2 games as he not only got a red but also got his 5th yellow
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The FPL site lists Udogie as injured. 75% chance of playing.
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Apologies Udogie only has a 1 game ban, originally it was reported as 2.
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Our Dougie versus U-dogie. There's no contest.
But it would be refereed by VillaDawg, the Villa-supporting, Spurs-BalanceSheet-coveting Hero and Villain of the year 2008.
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Sounds a bit ruff.
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who let the dougs out
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Got to be worth £10 on the win with a £5 draw saver. Although I think I'll only just break even. 1-1
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Six matches ahead to approach with excitement but also the usual apprehension that we (and not the Manager) still struggle to shake off.
I prefer to relish what we have in front of us, this is where we crave to be, and better, so let's "have it", as they say.
First up a depleted Spurs side should pose less of a challenge than first thought but I'm wary of our away form, something the Manager has identified and suspect the performance won't be all that. But the result will.
0-1
One of my Quiz League of London team is a Spurs fan and thinks this is just Spurs starting strongly and fading again. He's 77 so knows the club's history and their patterns. Puts us as favourites...
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To help make up mind if we win this .
Spurs centr back pairing : Davies and Dier.
And they play a high line.
Add Emery tactical plan.
Result.
Because all of your predictions are right, congratulations to Ollie Watkins after last nights scoring spree.
Barely had a 'brace' of touches!
He had 2 big scoring opportunities or XG's or whatever they call them nowadays and managed to flunk them both
You kept saying that last night and you were wrong then as well, again. He had one, the header.
Kept saying that last night despite him not giving a shit and having no interest in Southgate's England.
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Six matches ahead to approach with excitement but also the usual apprehension that we (and not the Manager) still struggle to shake off.
I prefer to relish what we have in front of us, this is where we crave to be, and better, so let's "have it", as they say.
First up a depleted Spurs side should pose less of a challenge than first thought but I'm wary of our away form, something the Manager has identified and suspect the performance won't be all that. But the result will.
0-1
One of my Quiz League of London team is a Spurs fan and thinks this is just Spurs starting strongly and fading again. He's 77 so knows the club's history and their patterns. [/b]Puts us as favourites...
My Spurs supporting mate does too.
He said their season is over now they have four players out injured.
I reminded him that Villa have had at least four key players out all season...
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1-1
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JJ training. Boooooooooooom!
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JJ training. Boooooooooooom!
Fuck yeah!!
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Hope he starts Sunday but more than likely bench you'd imagine
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I imagine Tielemans will start and Ramsey will come on later into the match. Should have Moreno on the bench again too.
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i would not rule out Zaniolo starting just yet
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JJ training. Boooooooooooom!
Back just in time for him to be linked with a move to Arsenal in January.
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JJ training. Boooooooooooom!
Back just in time for him to be linked with a move to Arsenal in January.
nah, feels like a new signing....:)
UTV
The Doc
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I imagine Tielemans will start and Ramsey will come on later into the match. Should have Moreno on the bench again too.
Decent chance moreno will start I reckon
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Would think he would be more likely to start against Legia Warsaw.
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I imagine Tielemans will start and Ramsey will come on later into the match. Should have Moreno on the bench again too.
Decent chance moreno will start I reckon
no way Digne deserves to be dropped . Digne starts
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Agreed, Digne has been one of our most consistent performers. Moreno has to earn his place back.
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No, bollocks to that, if we're a better team with Moreno playing then play him.
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We’re 5th with Digne having played every game.
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Sorry Lee, I agree with Risso and <gulp> VillaTim.
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Must be a full moon.
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Sorry Lee, I agree with Risso and <gulp> VillaTim.
Yep. Also need to eeeaassse Moreno back in
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Unless we're planning on getting rid of Digne in January, I don't see any problem with leaving him as first choice and allowing Moreno time to ease back in and eventually win his place back.
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Competition for places is bollocks. Everybody knows who's best.
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Common sense tonight I see, Digne starts . Moreno can play in the conference on Thursday .
Digne has been superb these last couple of months , his crossing is exquisite.
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I would say that it's currently Dignes place to lose.
And I say that as someone who wanted Digne gone in the summer.
I don't think he is the long term option, because he lacks the pace that Emery seems to want in the position, but his play so far this season has been decent, so to just dump him out the team wouldn't be right.
In my humble opinion...
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Moreno will be rusty anyway , to throw him straight in at Spurs Away isn't practical unless you're at home playing FIFA. Emery is a sensible experienced manager fortunately.
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As soon as Moreno loses the rust, unleash the hound.
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I didn't at any point say he'd play on Sunday, I was contesting the assumption that Digne had made the shirt his own and Moreno would sit on the sidelines waiting to get back on the team.
But I guess that was too nuanced for some. Lastfootstamper gets it.
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I still think Digne will want to go back to France. Moreno will become starter and we will be someone to compete with him. But right now Digne has done everything asked and should keep his place. Moreno after a long stretch out will need to build up his fitness and sharpness. Digne for this game, Moreno for the Europa game in the week.
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I don't think at all we should be dumping Digne, because in this age of 5 subs (a number that's only ever likely to increase rather than decrease) I like the idea of having certain players in certain positions that you can run into the ground for an hour in every game, let them do their damage, and then replace them with another high quality player that presents the opposition with a fresh, different problem. Fullback being the most obvious. I hope come the first of February we'll have the strength to do the same at right-back.
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No, bollocks to that, if we're a better team with Moreno playing then play him.
Above is your response to us saying Digne holds his place v Spurs.
No way is moreno ready and no way does Digne deserve dropping.
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No, bollocks to that, if we're a better team with Moreno playing then play him.
Above is your response to us saying Digne holds his place v Spurs.
No way is moreno ready and no way does Digne deserve dropping.
He didn’t mention Sunday, and he’s right in the performances of last season Moreno is much better and makes the team better. Emery has adapted to losing three or four of his better players as he does.
Thats different to saying someone whose has a really bad injury and hasn’t had any minutes on the pitch for six months, should go straight back in.
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I don't think at all we should be dumping Digne, because in this age of 5 subs (a number that's only ever likely to increase rather than decrease) I like the idea of having certain players in certain positions that you can run into the ground for an hour in every game, let them do their damage, and then replace them with another high quality player that presents the opposition with a fresh, different problem. Fullback being the most obvious. I hope come the first of February we'll have the strength to do the same at right-back.
Agree with this, we are moving towards the starter and finisher concept like Rugby.
It worked well last season with Digne and Moreno.
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I don't think at all we should be dumping Digne, because in this age of 5 subs (a number that's only ever likely to increase rather than decrease) I like the idea of having certain players in certain positions that you can run into the ground for an hour in every game, let them do their damage, and then replace them with another high quality player that presents the opposition with a fresh, different problem. Fullback being the most obvious. I hope come the first of February we'll have the strength to do the same at right-back.
I don't think anyone actually wants to get rid of Digne. It's more just given what happened in the summer it's a possibility that he will move on, if not in January then next summer. We were on the verge of signing a replacement for him so we still would have had the option of doing what you say.
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No, bollocks to that, if we're a better team with Moreno playing then play him.
Above is your response to us saying Digne holds his place v Spurs.
No way is moreno ready and no way does Digne deserve dropping.
I've already explained it once, and how the fuck do you know if Moreno is ready?
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Udogie apparently passed fit for them.
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Shame, given he's pretty much the only one of their back four who can run a bit.
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Spuds 2 (Kane 2) Villa 2 (Watkins, Luiz).
Edit: Spuds 0 Villa 2
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Udogie apparently passed fit for them.
I still don't understand why he is playing against us. One match ban for a two yellow red. Ok, he has served that. But surely he should have also had an additional ban for receiving 5 yellows.
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Udogie apparently passed fit for them.
I still don't understand why he is playing against us. One match ban for a two yellow red. Ok, he has served that. But surely he should have also had an additional ban for receiving 5 yellows.
The red card overwrites the first yellow card so he's still on four yellows
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Udogie apparently passed fit for them.
I still don't understand why he is playing against us. One match ban for a two yellow red. Ok, he has served that. But surely he should have also had an additional ban for receiving 5 yellows.
If a player gets two yellow cards and thus a combined red, they're not seen as yellow cards anymore and just as the red card.
So Udogie is now on three yellow cards and one red (suspension served). Rather than five and a red.
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Udogie apparently passed fit for them.
I still don't understand why he is playing against us. One match ban for a two yellow red. Ok, he has served that. But surely he should have also had an additional ban for receiving 5 yellows.
The red card overwrites the first yellow card so he's still on four yellows
Overwrites both of them I believe. The Premier League site shows him as being on three yellows.
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Should be a cracking game. Both teams playing a high-line so let's see which keeper deals best with the 1-on-1's they are likely to face.
2-2.
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Their high line is higher than ours . I hope they defend like they did vs Chelsea
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I imagine Tielemans will start and Ramsey will come on later into the match. Should have Moreno on the bench again too.
Decent chance moreno will start I reckon
I'd be astounded.
What is it with people wanting to start players straight away after long term injuries?
Moreno got injured in May, had to have surgery and then obviously had a setback in September so it's not like he's returning from a dead leg.
He'll be eased in like Diego Carlos was as he's been out for nearly as long. Don't think it's a good idea for someone returning after a long layoff to have to go one v one v Son and Brennan Johnson personally.
Digne has done pretty well this season and just had two weeks off so fine with him continuing for the league games and Moreno can get back into action in the two remaining europa matches.
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Shame, given he's pretty much the only one of their back four who can run a bit.
Porro can run but he leaves so much space behind in that right back area.
This is a really good match for Ramsey to return so hopefully he can get 20 minutes at the end on the left when Spurs are having to chase the game as we will exploit that area if Diaby drifts that side aswell.
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Digne has done pretty well this season and just had two weeks off so fine with him continuing for the league games and Moreno can get back into action in the two remaining europa matches.
Yup. Digne's on four yellows, so I imagine Moreno will be deputising at some point when he's banned. And like when Digne came in for Moreno, it's then up to Moreno to show why Digne shouldn't come back in.
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I imagine Moreno might get 45 minutes against Legia as part of his return rather than playing on Sunday. That would help him get some first team minutes as well as managing Digne's game time.
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its a shame Romero isn't playing cos he's a walking Red Card
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Digne is actually on 4 yellows so Moreno will be starting a prem match at some point in next two weeks you suspect just out of necessity.
It's good him and Ramsey are back involved. They were magnificent down the left in the run in and we haven't had that combination out there for a single minute this season.
Given what we'll be putting in for the Man. City home game and then having Arsenal 70 hours later that's where having players like them returning is important to freshen up the team with quality.
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Who's the lad with the dreadlocks? https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/24/gallery--villa-prepare-for-spurs/
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Who's the lad with the dreadlocks? https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/24/gallery--villa-prepare-for-spurs/
The keeper next to Olsen looks like Jordan Pickford's brother!
Guessing at Seb Revan?
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I thought Seb Revan had gone on loan.
Edit - on loan at Rotherham.
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Start of a tough series of games, that will test us, to see if the squad is good enough to maintain a top 5 challenge
1-1 draw
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Who's the lad with the dreadlocks? https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/24/gallery--villa-prepare-for-spurs/
isn't that the lad we signed from Smethwick
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Who's the lad with the dreadlocks? https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/24/gallery--villa-prepare-for-spurs/
isn't that the lad we signed from Smethwick
Which one? lol.
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Who's the lad with the dreadlocks? https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/24/gallery--villa-prepare-for-spurs/
isn't that the lad we signed from Smethwick
Which one? lol.
Rico ?
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Interesting that he's training with the first team squad.
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Who's the lad with the dreadlocks? https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/24/gallery--villa-prepare-for-spurs/
Don't they all look happy and as one with each other.
Cannot wait to see how SUE sets us up (especially Watkins and Diaby) to exploit the lack of pace high line defending of Spurs.
First goal is cruicial - lots of the betting sites and pundits make us actual favourites - which is a little worrying
So looking forward to this
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Should be a cracking game. Both teams playing a high-line so let's see which keeper deals best with the 1-on-1's they are likely to face.
2-2.
We don't actually play that high a line in comparison with other teams (I read an article on this yesterday, we're 7th highest I think). Ours has been far more effective though, we've caught opponents offside 163 times and the next closest is in the 90s.
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Should be a cracking game. Both teams playing a high-line so let's see which keeper deals best with the 1-on-1's they are likely to face.
2-2.
We don't actually play that high a line in comparison with other teams (I read an article on this yesterday, we're 7th highest I think). Ours has been far more effective though, we've caught opponents offside 163 times and the next closest is in the 90s.
Posted this article in the High Line thread if anyone's interested to read it.
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Should be a cracking game. Both teams playing a high-line so let's see which keeper deals best with the 1-on-1's they are likely to face.
2-2.
We don't actually play that high a line in comparison with other teams (I read an article on this yesterday, we're 7th highest I think). Ours has been far more effective though, we've caught opponents offside 163 times and the next closest is in the 90s.
Posted this article in the High Line thread if anyone's interested to read it.
Nice one, had just gone off to find it. Glad I remebered the numbers right!
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Who's the lad with the dreadlocks? https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/24/gallery--villa-prepare-for-spurs/ (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/24/gallery--villa-prepare-for-spurs/)
isn't that the lad we signed from Smethwick
Which one? lol.
Rico ?
Nah, looks nothing like Rico Richards, I think it's Triston Rowe but it's hard to be sure because the only photo of him that isn't really blurred is from the side.
Edit: makes sense as well, young right back/right-side centre back who's pretty highly regarded.
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Who's the lad with the dreadlocks? https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/24/gallery--villa-prepare-for-spurs/ (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/24/gallery--villa-prepare-for-spurs/)
isn't that the lad we signed from Smethwick
Which one? lol.
Rico ?
Nah, looks nothing like Rico Richards, I think it's Triston Rowe but it's hard to be sure because the only photo of him that isn't really blurred is from the side.
Edit: makes sense as well, young right back/right-side centre back who's pretty highly regarded.
He seems to be with the other defenders in any pics, so this makes sense to me too.
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Who's the lad with the dreadlocks? https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/24/gallery--villa-prepare-for-spurs/ (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/24/gallery--villa-prepare-for-spurs/)
isn't that the lad we signed from Smethwick
Which one? lol.
Rico ?
Nah, looks nothing like Rico Richards, I think it's Triston Rowe but it's hard to be sure because the only photo of him that isn't really blurred is from the side.
Edit: makes sense as well, young right back/right-side centre back who's pretty highly regarded.
Think you're right going by his mugshot and this on the OS - https://www.avfc.co.uk/players/u18/tristonrowe.
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Who's the lad with the dreadlocks? https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/24/gallery--villa-prepare-for-spurs/ (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/24/gallery--villa-prepare-for-spurs/)
isn't that the lad we signed from Smethwick
Which one? lol.
Rico ?
Nah, looks nothing like Rico Richards, I think it's Triston Rowe but it's hard to be sure because the only photo of him that isn't really blurred is from the side.
Edit: makes sense as well, young right back/right-side centre back who's pretty highly regarded.
Looks like Rowe.
Him & Jimoh signed new pro deals fairly recently I think...
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T Rowe is a RB so might be offering some competition for Cash
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Who's the lad with the dreadlocks? https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/24/gallery--villa-prepare-for-spurs/ (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/24/gallery--villa-prepare-for-spurs/)
isn't that the lad we signed from Smethwick
Which one? lol.
Rico ?
Nah, looks nothing like Rico Richards, I think it's Triston Rowe but it's hard to be sure because the only photo of him that isn't really blurred is from the side.
Edit: makes sense as well, young right back/right-side centre back who's pretty highly regarded.
Think you're right going by his mugshot and this on the OS - https://www.avfc.co.uk/players/u18/tristonrowe.
Yeah, his name was what came to mind and then I checked that image to be sure before I posted.
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No SJM?
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No SJM?
Trained alone yesterday but back at it today according to UE
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As Russell Osman once said to Michael Caine in one of footballs greatest films
We can Win this
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As Russell Osman once said to Michael Caine in one of footballs greatest films
We can Win this
Teen Wolf 2?
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This one and the two back-to-back home fixtures in early December will be good indicators of where we are at really.
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I was thinking last night, does he play Bailey and Diaby and try and exploit their high line (if they play it with half their defence out) or go with Tilemans to try and lay some balls through to the front two?
I feel oddly confident about this one, I'm not sure why. 1-4 to us.
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There is only one more day till Villa plays again. I can hardly wait!
After seeing the other games and looking at the table, I believe there is a good potential of what I'll call capital gains.
It's a proper match to declare our intention not only in the Champions League race but also in the disruption of these so called too clubs . I'm wishing for ultimate dream of winning the league.
Results going out way, plus a Villa victory, would be super.
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I was thinking last night, does he play Bailey and Diaby and try and exploit their high line (if they play it with half their defence out) or go with Tilemans to try and lay some balls through to the front two?
I feel oddly confident about this one, I'm not sure why. 1-4 to us.
I hope he starts Tilemans and keeps it solid, we have had problems away with teams that have come at us early and we have conceded.
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Think too much has been made of "depleted Spurs". I can see this one ending badly , we are not good enough away from home. Cash is a weakness , the high line of ours will be very vulnerable vs Son / Johnson .
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I was thinking last night, does he play Bailey and Diaby and try and exploit their high line (if they play it with half their defence out) or go with Tilemans to try and lay some balls through to the front two?
I feel oddly confident about this one, I'm not sure why. 1-4 to us.
I hope he starts Tilemans and keeps it solid, we have had problems away with teams that have come at us early and we have conceded.
I think you're right and besides, with Bert injured, we may need an option like Bailey off the bench.
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We are going to batter these into the nearest funeral home. 3-1.*
*Note. If we lose, please don't bother coming onto the post-match thread haughtily trying to make those of us who are far too cocksure, arrogant, disrespectful etc. on this thread. I for one don't care. Football is about hope, expectation, crazy predictions and wild dreams. Which get dashed and mashed into the ground at regular intervals because that is what happens in football. Ta!
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We are going to batter these into the nearest funeral home. 3-1.*
*Note. If we lose, please don't bother coming onto the post-match thread haughtily trying to make those of us who are far too cocksure, arrogant, disrespectful etc. on this thread. I for one don't care. Football is about hope, expectation, crazy predictions and wild dreams. Which get dashed and mashed into the ground at regular intervals because that is what happens in football. Ta!
If we lose I’m defo coming on blaming you and pointing the finger in your direction
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Think too much has been made of "depleted Spurs". I can see this one ending badly , we are not good enough away from home. Cash is a weakness , the high line of ours will be very vulnerable vs Son / Johnson .
We don't really play a high line.
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Yep. Me too.
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Good lads.
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Maybe start Tielemans and Diaby and keep Ramsey and Bailey for midweek game starters.
Given how good our options are in midfield it's taken us until December to really have positive selection issues.
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Think too much has been made of "depleted Spurs". I can see this one ending badly , we are not good enough away from home. Cash is a weakness , the high line of ours will be very vulnerable vs Son / Johnson .
We don't really play a high line.
But Spurs do and it will be Dier and Davies trying to play it.
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Think too much has been made of "depleted Spurs". I can see this one ending badly , we are not good enough away from home. Cash is a weakness , the high line of ours will be very vulnerable vs Son / Johnson .
We don't really play a high line.
Pardon
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Think too much has been made of "depleted Spurs". I can see this one ending badly , we are not good enough away from home. Cash is a weakness , the high line of ours will be very vulnerable vs Son / Johnson .
We don't really play a high line.
Maaaaaate
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Think too much has been made of "depleted Spurs". I can see this one ending badly , we are not good enough away from home. Cash is a weakness , the high line of ours will be very vulnerable vs Son / Johnson .
We don't really play a high line.
But Spurs do and it will be Dier and Davies trying to play it.
They might play Royal as a CB which would be interesting
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Think too much has been made of "depleted Spurs". I can see this one ending badly , we are not good enough away from home. Cash is a weakness , the high line of ours will be very vulnerable vs Son / Johnson .
We don't really play a high line.
Pardon
Think too much has been made of "depleted Spurs". I can see this one ending badly , we are not good enough away from home. Cash is a weakness , the high line of ours will be very vulnerable vs Son / Johnson .
We don't really play a high line.
Maaaaaate
“Villa’s average offside height — essentially the distance from their own goal when the flag is raised — is 44.5 metres, which is the sixth-lowest in the Premier League.”
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Game on after that Man City - Liverpool result. Turn these fuckers over and we're right IN AMONGST IT.
Or we could do another Forest...
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Just put my ticket in Apple Wallet.
Sitting more or less next to the great negotiator impersonator with Mrs OldHill AVFC (Spurs supporting Villa season ticket holder - don’t ask).
Hopefully be singing you’ve seen the Villa now f**k off home to Daniel - am sure he won’t mind after charging so much for the tickets.
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Our away form is a bit poo. Be lovely if we could nick this.
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I was thinking last night, does he play Bailey and Diaby and try and exploit their high line (if they play it with half their defence out) or go with Tilemans to try and lay some balls through to the front two?
I feel oddly confident about this one, I'm not sure why. 1-4 to us.
I hope he starts Tielemans and keeps it solid, we have had problems away with teams that have come at us early and we have conceded.
Totally agree. In any case, hasn't Bailey returned from I duty with a slight injury?
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I was thinking last night, does he play Bailey and Diaby and try and exploit their high line (if they play it with half their defence out) or go with Tilemans to try and lay some balls through to the front two?
I feel oddly confident about this one, I'm not sure why. 1-4 to us.
I hope he starts Tielemans and keeps it solid, we have had problems away with teams that have come at us early and we have conceded.
Totally agree. In any case, hasn't Bailey returned from I duty with a slight injury?
We just need to get the midfield right, the rest will take care of itself. As the great Mike Basset said, '4-4-fucking 2'.
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Arsenal loss and a 6-0 win tomorrow and we go second. Don’t fuck it up Villa.
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Watkins and Diaby do their attacking best.The rest takes care of itself.Dier, Davies, Emerson...
Football lesson from Professor Emery tomorrow, please.must have a plan against Spurs way of playing.It's actually easier than Forest away in some respects due to the differing nature and Spurs playing into Villa hands.
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We are going to batter these into the nearest funeral home. 3-1.*
*Note. If we lose, please don't bother coming onto the post-match thread haughtily trying to make those of us who are far too cocksure, arrogant, disrespectful etc. on this thread. I for one don't care. Football is about hope, expectation, crazy predictions and wild dreams. Which get dashed and mashed into the ground at regular intervals because that is what happens in football. Ta!
I'm with you. But Villa scoring 3 or 4 isn't crazy prediction in my view.
I've had a feeling about us scoring four goals in this game during the international break.
I predicted that earlier in this thread. (4-1)
Son may score, (literally only attacking threat) but I think we'll outscore them by far.Nothing changes for whoever starts for Villa. Why ?
Because Emery will set it up to exploit the weakness.
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Arsenal loss and a 6-0 win tomorrow and we go second. Don’t fuck it up Villa.
I've had a feeling about us scoring four goals during the international break. I predicted that earlier in this thread.Son may score, (literally only attacking threat) but I think we'll outscore them by far.Nothing changes for whoever starts for Villa. Why ?
Because Emery will set it up to exploit the weakness.
Johnson is a threat , so is kulusevki
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Arsenal loss and a 6-0 win tomorrow and we go second. Don’t fuck it up Villa.
I've had a feeling about us scoring four goals during the international break. I predicted that earlier in this thread.Son may score, (literally only attacking threat) but I think we'll outscore them by far.Nothing changes for whoever starts for Villa. Why ?
Because Emery will set it up to exploit the weakness.
Johnson is a threat , so is kulusevki
Oh yes, but they aren't golden boot winners like your Harry Kanes and Sons
Son is class, but I wouldn't put those other two in the same bracket. No Harry Kane this time around, a depleted midfield and defence with a suspect way of defending anyway and we beat Spurs home and away last season.
I guess I don't feel concerned as you and some to Spurs offering much of a threat. They just don't have the quality midfield like we have and I 100% trust Emery game plan and his prediction on how the game will go.
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I think even with their injuries, we'll lose this one.
Of the outfield players.
6 out of the 10 starters from Spurs last win are now struggling injured/suspended for this game.
So literally 4 first choice players left who have known Ange Ball winning system.
And they could be playing doufas Forster in goal if first choice Vicario still has flu.
Can you reconsider ?
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It doesn’t really make any difference if I do or don’t really. The team just need to play a lot better than they mostly have this season and we’ll have a chance.
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Big game - it’s going to be bloody tough. We are going to need to play much better than we have away.
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The bookies have got this as pretty damn' close, which is incredible give our away form and just shows how far we've come.
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Their injuries/absences are presumably a factor too. But agree we are right up there now in terms of capability, we just need to be more effective away.
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Regular readers can look away now, but it really is about time we started believing in ourselves.
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Regular readers can look away now, but it really is about time we started believing in ourselves.
My Brother who is a Spurs fan isn't very confident. Hope we smash them, 4-1 sounds good.
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Them 1 Us 2
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The match that sticks in my mind is the one where we were 4-0 up at half time.
Then they got 4 back in the second half.
I was going out with a Spurs supporter at the time and he thought my reactions were hilarious .
Hope Unai continues his move towards world/PL domination. Us 4, them 0.
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Regular readers can look away now, but it really is about time we started believing in ourselves.
I think this is exactly it. Shaking off that inferiority complex is different for each and everyone of us, depending upon or respective journeys as Villa fans. But someone asked me today, if I could take a draw now, would I do it and I said no, because I think we can take 3 points. For me as an individual, I think that’s much a sign of the times as anything.
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Hopefully we can keep up our good form in London under Unai.
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Regular readers can look away now, but it really is about time we started believing in ourselves.
I think this is exactly it. Shaking off that inferiority complex is different for each and everyone of us, depending upon or respective journeys as Villa fans. But someone asked me today, if I could take a draw now, would I do it and I said no, because I think we can take 3 points. For me as an individual, I think that’s much a sign of the times as anything.
You only have to go back two league matches for an example of supreme confidence going into an away game that went badly. Therefore, a note of caution going into today is not misplaced given our fairly ordinary away form. Having said which, it does feel like a potentially season defining match today so I really hope we turn up.
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That ordinary away form should hopefully be more like it come full time at Bournemouth.
Let's not concede early and let's win. Spurs are there for the taking, absolutely no excuses.
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Im more confident than i think ive ever been as a Villa fan, but i think predictions are us sticking 4 past them are a bit over optimistic. Our away form this season has been a bit iffy, but since Emery has been with us, I dont really remember us giving anyone a real shoeing away from home. Some really good performances like Chelsea and Spurs away last year, but not the kind of Brighton, Newcastle, West Ham batterings we’ve handed out at home.
Ive said an optimistic 3-1 earlier in the thread, but more nervous now its match day.
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I was aiming to highlight a contrast in our approach between back then and now!
Difficult to imagine an Emery-led team getting into that position. I agree 4 away is unlikely, although it would be nice!
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I put 1-4 down (we definatley have goals in us) but having said that, I'm not sure about the 'absolutely no excuses' train of thought. They still caused Chelsea problems even when they went down to 9 men. They came out that blocks really quick as well in that game.
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The match that sticks in my mind is the one where we were 4-0 up at half time.
Then they got 4 back in the second half.
I was going out with a Spurs supporter at the time and he thought my reactions were hilarious .
Hope Unai continues his move towards world/PL domination. Us 4, them 0.
I was at this game , it was a Monday night. It was Spurs 125th birthday . at 4-1 up we were all singing "Happy Birthday to you". We ended up with egg on our faces thanks to Marlon Bloody Harewood
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There is the cockiest, most arrogant and patronising Spurs fan where I work.
Every week it’s ’if we win the next 7 games and beat so and so and so forth, we could be top and clear by 1000 points’. He is full of absolute bullshit.
Even he is nervous about playing us.
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Well just to be on the safe side I’m going to play lucky songs,
we never/not often lose when i play them before a match
Not that I’m superstitious, but it defo works
In fact everyone going on about Unai Emery being the genius but I think it’s probably more down to my lucky songs to be truthful
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There is the cockiest, most arrogant and patronising Spurs fan where I work.
Every week it’s ’if we win the next 7 games and beat so and so and so forth, we could be top and clear by 1000 points’. He is full of absolute bullshit.
Even he is nervous about playing us.
Likewise. I work with 2.... one of em is just about bearable, the other is a complete tit. And it's for this reason alone, I want to pound them into obscurity this afternoon. Utterly deluded fanbase.
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Ffs, I genuinely thought it was a 12.30 kickoff for some reason so I’ve rushed about all morning to get things done and just got to the pub to be greeted with Rangers-Aberdeen.
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I see Sky Sports are banging the "Spurs down to the bare bones" because they have a few injuries & a suspension.
Completely ignoring the fact that we have had a similar amount out all season so far & nobody has been crying for us...
So the story is already being written.
If Spurs lose, they were unlucky due to their injuries.
If Spurs win, they have heroically beaten the odds.
I really do despise the media in this country...
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Ffs, I genuinely thought it was a 12.30 kickoff for some reason so I’ve rushed about all morning to get things done and just got to the pub to be greeted with Rangers-Aberdeen.
Extra couple of hours in the boozer. Win win
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I put 1-4 down (we definatley have goals in us) but having said that, I'm not sure about the 'absolutely no excuses' train of thought. They still caused Chelsea problems even when they went down to 9 men. They came out that blocks really quick as well in that game.
See Newcastle yesterday for the warning that injuries don’t leave a side who are necessarily there for the taking.
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I put 1-4 down (we definatley have goals in us) but having said that, I'm not sure about the 'absolutely no excuses' train of thought. They still caused Chelsea problems even when they went down to 9 men. They came out that blocks really quick as well in that game.
See Newcastle yesterday for the warning that injuries don’t leave a side who are necessarily there for the taking.
Of course the other common aspect there is that Chelsea are a bit shit.
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Newcastle seemed to have some of their players back, like the Swedish forward who's name escapes me...Isak?
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The match that sticks in my mind is the one where we were 4-0 up at half time.
Then they got 4 back in the second half.
I was going out with a Spurs supporter at the time and he thought my reactions were hilarious .
Hope Unai continues his move towards world/PL domination. Us 4, them 0.
I was at this game , it was a Monday night. It was Spurs 125th birthday . at 4-1 up we were all singing "Happy Birthday to you". We ended up with egg on our faces thanks to Marlon Bloody Harewood
Marlon doesn’t get many warm and fuzzy mentions on here, perhaps because of times like that!
Hoping for a better time for us today.