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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Tuscans on August 14, 2021, 02:05:04 PM
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ASTON VILLA TEAM NEWS
Team to play Watford: Martinez, Cash, Konsa, Mings, Targett, McGinn, Nakamba, El Ghazi, Buendia, Young, Ings
Subs: Steer, Wesley, Traore, Tuanzebe, Hause, Bailey, Philogene-Bidace, Ramsey, Chukwuemeka
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Young has obviously impressed Dean. Shame no Ollie
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No Ollie, no Doug, AEG instead of Traoré, a 36 year old wide left of attack...well, Buendìa and Ings starting is exciting, let's see how it goes!
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2.05pm and no team news on Twitter.
What are the board playing at? This is a disaster!
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26Bachmann
27Kabasele
5Troost-Ekong
15Cathcart
11Masina
23Sarr
8Cleverley
4Etebo
33Kucka
12Sema
25Dennis
Substitutes
1Foster
2Ngakia
3Rose
6Louza
9Deeney
16Gosling
17Fletcher
29Hernández Suárez
31Sierralta
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Going to be a tough test.
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Ollie’s slight knock going to turn into a 6 month lay off!!
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Thank god we signed Ings. Imagine the bubble bursting in this era if we'd had Wesley leading the line today.
Looks like Davis is injured aswell.
Famous last words but the Watford team looks very average, Tom Cleverley as their best midfielder says it all and we can get at that defence if we play with decent tempo and get the ball to Buendia in space.
Fancy a 1-2 win.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8wN5WxXEAYPKn-?format=jpg&name=large)
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The official twitter is poor showing today late with reveal of line ups.
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Not at all convinced our wide options are anywhere near good enough to challenge where we want to. Hopefully prem experience will see us through to get a result.
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Good luck to the boys and to Tuscans on the match thread. On the golf course so I’m hoping the boys don’t fuck up up round. First game isn’t the full side that will emerge over the next couple of weeks. We can beat this lot.
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Amazing Ollie never missed a match last season except for the suspended one and now misses the first game Funny old game
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Our bench looks very dangerous, some real quality to bring on and change the game.
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About time we have options from the bench.
Be good to see how young foes at left wing. Sure he is going to get abuse from them as they bitter about how he left
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I think with all the ups and downs of the past few weeks I can see Watford replicating Brentford’s start last night. 2-1.
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I'd have started Traore ahead of Young
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Our bench looks very dangerous, some real quality to bring on and change the game.
Yes compared to 2 years ago we seem to be well advanced in that respect
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If we are going to use the squad this season rather than a first 11, this type of line up will need to appear fairly regularly with the big hitters lined up for the better opposition. This side should be enough to see off watford but it wont be easy.
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Good team, think we will win comfortably. Going for 0-3 Ings (2) and Young.
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Smith has mentioned he's been impressed with Youngs fitness, he's towards the top of the squad in most fitness stats so hopefully he's perfectly capable of 90 mins.
Traore has been out for a while and isn't match fit, so Young seems a sensible choice to me.
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Young is stronger defensively than Bert and will give greater security for the player overlapping from behind. Lined up on the left last weekend and last season Matt Targett got forward a lot, so they might be planning to test Watford's right hand side.
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I think with all the ups and downs of the past few weeks I can see Watford replicating Brentford’s start last night. 2-1.
Brentford were buzzing because they were in the top flight for the first time since Harvey Moon* played for them whereas Watford bounce between the Premier League and the Championship almost as much as Albion.
* One for the teenagers there, ask your Dad kids ;)
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I think with all the ups and downs of the past few weeks I can see Watford replicating Brentford’s start last night. 2-1.
Brentford were buzzing because they were in the top flight for the first time since Harvey Moon* played for them whereas Watford bounce between the Premier League and the Championship almost as much as Albion.
* One for the teenagers there, ask your Dad kids ;)
And they were only playing Arsenal.
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Traore will be a great option to come from the bench so I can see why he's been kept back.
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26Bachmann
27Kabasele
5Troost-Ekong
15Cathcart
11Masina
23Sarr
8Cleverley
4Etebo
33Kucka
12Sema
25Dennis
Substitutes
1Foster
2Ngakia
3Rose
6Louza
9Deeney
16Gosling
17Fletcher
29Hernández Suárez
31Sierralta
I know Cleverly in those 11 😳
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How are the front four going to line up? I pray Dean isn't going to play Buendia out of position.
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How are the front four going to line up? I pray Dean isn't going to play Buendia out of position.
What is his position
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Pleased that Mings is captain. Come on villa!
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Sarr ripped us a new one last time we played them there.
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Will have links for the match if needed.
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Will have links for the match if needed.
Yes please
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Will have links for the match if needed.
yes
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How are the front four going to line up? I pray Dean isn't going to play Buendia out of position.
What is his position
Right wing, John.
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Will have links for the match if needed.
That’d be lovely, thank you.
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Fancy Young and Ings to both score today, hoping for a positive start. Draw wouldn’t be the worst result though.
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Sarr ripped us a new one last time we played them there.
Targett needs to be on form of last season rather than 19/20, Young or AEG will help out aswell.
Keep him quiet and not sure too much else to worry about, don't know too much about Sema or Dennis.
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Will have links for the match if needed.
please.
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Will have links for the match if needed.
Yes please
Just waiting just before kick off when they go live to see which work. Will PM them to those who asked.
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Traore on the bench and Young playing...not sure about this Dean.
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Isn’t Traore getting back upto speed after an op?
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Will have links for the match if needed.
Would really appreciate that
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Traore needs time to get up to fitness I’d imagine. Great option on the bench.
No Connor or Guilbert on the bench tells you all you need to know about out next outgoings.
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Sitting in Boomerang bar in Rhodos to watch this game
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Will have links for the match if needed.
That'd be amazing! Thank you
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Will have links for the match if needed.
Yes please
Just waiting just before kick off when they go live to see which work. Will PM them to those who asked.
If I could be included that would be appreciated
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We can name a maximum of 9 subs this season, so players not in today's squad, to be "fitted in" in future fixtures:
Ollie Watkins
Fred Guilbert
Morgan Sanson
Douglas Luiz
Trezeguet*
Davis**
Conor Hourihane
* obviously out for some time yet
** think we'll loan him out if possible - fitness dependent.
And that's before any last minute signings.
Compare the current squad to the one we had first season back from Div 2 and see how far we've come - and don't forget "he who's gone north".
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Will have links for the match if needed.
Yes please
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C’mon me babbies!!!
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Wake up Meatball.
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Just exceeded my message limit for the next hour. Sure someone will help another out of they need a link.
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Yikes. Sarr just left Target for dead. Worse than dead.
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Nice interception and ball forward from Nakamba.
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Will have links for the match if needed.
That'd be amazing! Thank you
If someone could hit me up ...
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Lovely bit of skill Ings.
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Just exceeded my message limit for the next hour. Sure someone will help another out of they need a link.
can somebody pm me please?
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Will have links for the match if needed.
That'd be amazing! Thank you
If someone could hit me up ...
Done
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Amazed Sarr is still at Watford, their obvious dangerman today.
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Villa TV sound quality is poor
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Just exceeded my message limit for the next hour. Sure someone will help another out of they need a link.
can somebody pm me please?
Done
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I think Targett's got his work cut out for him this afternoon.
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Sarr is looking very dangerous so far. We haven’t settled at all yet. Just realized El Ghazi is playing.
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AEG needs to calm down- the watford crowd can sense blood
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Will have links for the match if needed.
Yes please
And me pls
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struggling to hear this on Villa TV
Can hear the fans better than commentators
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Goal Watford.
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Will have links for the match if needed.
Yes please
And me pls
would love too pls!
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Jesus.
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FFS, 1-0 Watford.
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unacceptable.
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Will have links for the match if needed.
yes pls x
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Will have links for the match if needed.
Yes please
And me pls
Me too please, my usual live feed isn't working.
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Goal Watford.
Kin ell. Ere we go.
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Too easy.
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Awful defending. Nothing sticking going forward without Watkins and Ratboy.
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Sarr did Targett, again, shit defending, 1-0. Wank.
Fucking pathetic defending all round, especially Target and Konsa. Shite.
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Have looked okay going forward but soft as fuck in the middle of the park. Far too much space in the area for that goal.
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We've got two guys on the left who should be able to defend as a unit together - and are being exposed.
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Targett been left for dead twice unfortunately.
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DOG SHIT!
Pathetic start
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FFS
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Scrappy goal.
And my feed has gone from English to Hebrew.
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Dreadful team selection.
You couldn’t make it up.
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FFS.
Really poor from Targett lunging in on halfway line.
Good cross from Sarr. Surprised Emi didn't save it, went straight through him.
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Targett has been abysmal so far.
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Will have links for the match if needed.
Yes please!
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Sarr looks a seriously good player.
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Sarr ripped us a new one last time we played them there.
And today.
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Will have links for the match if needed.
Yes please
And me pls
Me too please
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8 points gained from losing positions last season, very much bottom half standard.
Big test now.
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Targetts been dreadful. Really shit
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That left hand side.
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Fucking hell, get Targett off. Has he forgotten how to play football?
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Targett is embarrassing himself so far.
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And again, fuck me sideways!
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Can't PM, exceeded my message limit for the hour. Will send them after the second half kicks off if you haven't received any from others.
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Isn't Young supposed to be helping Targett out? Sarr is beating us on his own so far.
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Targett getting torn a new one
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Young needs to get back and help him though - as this co-commentator who never shuts TFU just said.
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Sky saying we’re just trying to stay in the game currently.
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Targett absolutely useless
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Is there any radio commentary? I’m painting.
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Type of game that Smith needs to earn his corn, work out how to change it and get us on the front foot.
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Young not justifying his selection at all so far.
Maybe switch AEG out there and hope he can stay tight to Sarr.
No good doing it when we're 2 down.
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Not just the lefthand side though, McGinn is no holding midfielder and Nakamba isn't up to it to be the hole deep midfield by himself. The recruitment strategy based around McGinn playing deep is a mistake.
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It’s almost as if Matt Targett could do with some help.
Take him off? And replace him with who exactly?
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This is like Traore against Targett from two years ago. Embarrassing.
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Is there any radio commentary? I’m painting.
WM covering it.
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Can I have a link please
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So as I’m not watching assuming Jack not being on the left and pushing forward is leaving Targett very exposed?
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Is there any radio commentary? I’m painting.
WM covering it.
Thanks SHQ.
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Targett having a shocker. Is the guy fit ?
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How shit do we look?
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Even without Joe, this is the same old problems from a lot of last year. Midfield just not being very good at all.
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How shit do we look?
Shocking so far.
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What's Young doing?
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Nakamba has all those options to pass to and he decides to pass it to young who had two players in him. Hopeless 🤦♂️
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This is disappointing so far
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20 minutes of this is enough to see that anyone who doesn't think we still need considerably strengthening in midfield must be nuts.
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Look a bit like a team without their best player, playing a different formation.
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Buendia not getting into it at all, basically 10 players if we can't get the central attacker into the game as we saw many times last season.
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We'll soon be saying how our players need to gel etc
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Marvelous our most noticeable player, which is a worry.
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We were poor without JG last season and we’ve continued where we left off. It’s going to take time for this team to adjust so I don’t think there’s any big shocks here surely?
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We'll soon be saying how our players need to gel etc
..and unfortunately with wealthy ambitious owners that will cost Dean his job.
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Ings doesn’t give us half as much running as you get from Ollie.
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There is no creative output which is a massive concern.
AEG buendia young be absolutely anonymous
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They don't look like they're able to keep the ball once we cross the half way line and both of their wide attackers look like they're going to give our full backs a tough time.
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Buendìa starting to show real playmaking there, proper Argentinian no. 10 business.
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Fair point though.
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There is no creative output which is a massive concern.
AEG buendia young be absolutely anonymous
Agree.
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Our players need to gel.
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C'mon lads lets not talk about Smith losing his job in the first 25 minutes of the season.
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C'mon lads lets not talk about Smith losing his job in the first 25 minutes of the season.
No one wants to see it.
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Good to see the set piece coach has done great on the throws. Cash throws it straight to watford keeper
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C'mon lads lets not talk about Smith losing his job in the first 25 minutes of the season.
I know, ridiculous
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Need to win games like this. Worrying that we are so scatty. Maybe fuck face fucking off earlier would have given us more time to get new faces in. Watkins out is a worry and hope it isn’t a 6 month problem
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Sort it out Dean!
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Who is talking about DS losing his job?
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What's Nakamba doing apart from sloppy passing , giving ball away and fouls. Needs to improve.
Villa are showing signs now after first quarter after midfield been losing out we have come well into it now though with the ball.
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Cash long throw straight into Watford keeper.
We looked like we've just come off holiday and assembled in Watford this morning. Very disjointed.
Interesting how long in second half before we make a change today.
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I trust Dean to turn this around.
Early days
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We havent had a shot on target in 25 minutes
Not good enough
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Cash must be the least convincing long throw specialist ever.
He gets a bit of distance on them but only with the pace you'd get from tapping a balloon in the air
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Targett has had 25 shots by the looks of things.
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Who is talking about DS losing his job?
I guess me..?
I just don't think the "gel" excuse is going to fly when the ownership group is trying to sell progression into Europe and we look unprepared against a green watford side day 1.
Apologies all - didn't mean to be negative.. I have faith in DS.
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Anyone got a stream (for a friend, I can't share mine)?
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No high pressure from us.
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El Ghazi having one of his forgettable games so far. Recieving the ball on the break and falling over.
You wouldn't think so far he's fighting for his future at the club.
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Enjoy the game folks. Remembered already why I avoid match threads!
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Poor eveey time we go forward we looks so clumsy
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Who is talking about DS losing his job?
I guess me..?
I just don't think the "gel" excuse is going to fly when the ownership group is trying to sell progression into Europe and we look unprepared against a green watford side day 1.
Apologies all - didn't mean to be negative.. I have faith in DS.
Nah my fault, I think I read it wrong.
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Buendìa is too close to Ings. Nothing stylish is going through midfield because there's a huge gap between the deep two and the strikers, which inevitably means too many crosses.
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I hear ya Drummond 🙌🏼
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This is every bit as bad as all the bad games without Greasy last year.
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Fucking hell Nakamba, clueless.
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Marvellous is no De Bruyne.
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FFS Nakamba!
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Can't think of even a half chance we've created yet. We are being outfought all over the pitch.
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I think youngs been poor. Might need to come off for JPB
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Should've signed Sarr and moved Bailey to left. That would be a good attack.
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I'm just waiting for SWMBO to emerge from her afternoon siesta. As usual, she will nonchalantly drift past the telly, glance at the score and say “I see Villa are still shit then. Aw, poor you etc.” Every single time.
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Stream anyone?
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This is an utter shambles.
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wasn't it like this the last time we played them ?
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No idea who their manager is, but he looks like John Gregory.
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I think youngs been poor. Might need to come off for JPB
When did Young last play as a starter in midfield in Prem League? Basically a wing back nowadays
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Horrible pass from Nakamba.
Luiz is still better than him as DM.
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I did fear we’d be undercooked. Thus far that’s what we appear to be.
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Well done mcginn.
Get on the phone purslow get a bloody decent dm in.
Nakamba is not good enough
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Stream anyone?
Hesgoal.
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Stream anyone?
I don't watch it but hesgoal has it, guaranteed.
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Garbage. Getting murdered down our left and nothing on target yet.
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Horrible pass from Nakamba.
Luiz is still better than him as DM.
Luiz is much better than Marv.
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How much would Sarr cost?
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wasn't it like this the last time we played them ?
Yup at their place
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Targett back to shitting himself against pacy, tricky wingers.
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Targetts been fecking terrible. Really shite and young giving him no support
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We need to keep it to one nil then sort it out at half time.
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Well done emi
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Lumping the ball into the box when our only presence is about 5'10" is not likely to work.
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Targett lucky not to be booked there, don't understand why we haven't moved AEG that side. He's better on the left anyway.
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How much would Sarr cost?
I was surprised when his name was mentioned previously and people turned their noses up.
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Nice work Nakamba
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Thought Marvelous might have a go, then. Still, finally some signs of life.
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We've been fucking awful to put it mildly.
Not pressing well up top, not controlling the midfield, no one putting their foot on the ball and generally look devoid of ideas.
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Not surprising, this team is no better than the non Grealish teams we were putting out last season.
Even Sheffield Utd beat us and Watford are better than them.
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Good play by nakamba
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Our set pieces have improved, then...
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Still shit at corners then. West wood would have been proud of that wafty shite from Buendia.
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Let’s hope rest of season not as shit as this
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The sey piece coach doing a marvellous job 🙄
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Hopefully, this is our horrible half….
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They're defending in depth and hitting us on the break down our left hand side
Targett's getting no support - Marv and McGinn are having to do too much.
Young, Buendia and Anwar have hardly done anything positive yet. Trying to force the ball through from 35yds out into their box without success.
4-2-3-1 v 4-5-1
Change of shape required?
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Amazed Mings not booked then.
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We look every bit as bad as Arsenal did last night.
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Well, the pre-season optimism has disappeared pdq! Mind you, I think the last time we won here was at least 20 years ago.
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Not surprising, this team is no better than the non Grealish teams we were putting out last season.
Even Sheffield Utd beat us and Watford are better than them.
Very very true. If we really think we have adequately replaced Jack and improved the squad, I'm not convinced. 2 players short still.
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We've been fucking awful to put it mildly.
Not pressing well up top, not controlling the midfield, no one putting their foot on the ball and generally look devoid of ideas.
I'm trying to convince myself that this isn't our preferred starting XI, and to be patient.. but, as of now, this is just poor.
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Now that's a proper set piece. Should have been two-nil.
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Again we shoot ourselves in the foot from a poor pass by konsa.
We look shit
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Where’s the Plan B then Smith? This is beyond dire.
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The system is wrong, the personnel in that system are wrong, everything looks disjointed (presumably from novelty at least), they look like a 2D team trying to play 3D football.
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Bollocks, 2
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Enjoy the game folks. Remembered already why I avoid match threads!
No need to announce your departure and make us cry! ;-)
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Where’s the Plan B then Smith? This is beyond dire.
He just put Young through the middle, and Buendia out right..
???
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Ffs. That optimism has evaporated. Fucking wake up
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Buendia has been massively disappointing
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We've been fucking awful to put it mildly.
Not pressing well up top, not controlling the midfield, no one putting their foot on the ball and generally look devoid of ideas.
Leading the press is something JWP does incredibly well.
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ffs
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Fucking hell, absolutely woeful
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Oh shite
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Oh dear it’s going to be a long season
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Jesus fucking Christ.
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2-0. Fuck off.
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Well, this has been thoroughly depressing so far.
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Well this is a cracking start.
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We have got to sort out the centre of midfield. Qualifying for Europe will be a pipedream if we are so ordinary in that area.
Just don't understand why Dean can't see that. You've got to keep hold of midfield to have a basis to succeed.
2-0 down now. Shocking Dean, just shocking.
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Fuck me!
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Jammy as fuck deflected goal but still, we might have scored if we could stop fucking about and take an actual shot when we are attacking them.
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I just don't get how he stands there and watches us get fucking pummelled down that side again and again.
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I'm embarrassed.
We can't even muster a chance, and mighty Watford could be up 3 or 4 nil.
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This is rubbish
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We need to keep it to one nil then sort it out at half time.
Maybe not then.
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Game over? This is absolute, utter dross. No positives.
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Well, this has been thoroughly depressing so far.
Yep. I know it's early but we've shown barely anything anywhere dangerous on the pitch.
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Be very lucky to avoid a relegation battle on this evidence. Shambolic performance so far
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Smiths been pathetic. Why the fuck he hasnt changed it
This has been coming. Its unlucky goal ti concede.
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This is piss poor, sort it the fuck out Smith, or fuck off.
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Well of course, a flukey shit own goal.
Dean. I know there are mitigating circumstances. But this is seriously, seriously not good enough.
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I’m going to be pilloried for this but if Smith cannot sort it out without game plan of lumping it to Grealish then the owners need to pull the trigger. Cannot have a losing streak or no game plan. WM is fucking me off as well.
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Holy shit, this is dreadful. Unlucky to concede with the deflection but should never have lost the ball the way we did.
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Expect a sub on 65 minutes
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Awful.
Game over.
McGinn only player to turn up today.
If people want a wide player to turn us into top 6 he's playing for Watford today.
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Half time can’t come quickly enough, they are properly battering us.
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🙈🙈🙈
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Smiths showing his limitaions again. Does nothin and we get punished.
Its first game but he has no more excuses for me
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It’s great to be back isn’t it?
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To be fair that is a desperately unlucky goal
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Do I not like this.
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It's a lot like pre lock down when we come up when we're not in possession, so open.
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Absolutely fucking dire. Disjointed. Lack of ideas, full backs over the shop, el ghazi fucking shit, Buendía poor, Nakamba a liability, Ings with no service.
Going well other than that.
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Fuck, fuck, fuckety fucking fuck.
1. On the break.
2. Down our left
3. No cover for Targett
Is it that hard to see what's going on?
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Only seen the last ten minutes, but it's clear we're getting physically bullied.
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I just don't get how he stands there and watches us get fucking pummelled down that side again and again.
Dean is a reactive manager. He never seems to smell danger. This was pointed out time after time last season.
Getting destroyed by Watford is scandalous.
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It's an unlucky goal but we've been fucking battered.
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>:( >:( >:(
Smiths tactics sucks
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best get that £100m out quick
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Wow that was poor. Not a single player has turned up.
Slow, clueless, not getting close. Utterly dreadful against a side that hasn't had to work hard to be 2 up.
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Well big half time then. As I said in the pre-match we needed to be at it today and we have just been well off.
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Half time can’t come quickly enough, they are properly battering us.
Really?
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The signs of concern were there seeing Young starting in that position.
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This has been so bad, I’m expecting Wilma to start a thread again before 5pm.
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Sort yourself smith
I dont wanna hear any more excuses from you. A absolutely woeful performance. Shit in everyway
Passing shit check
Set pieces shit check
Creating anything shit check
Doing nothing to help targett check
Clueless
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I don't think El Ghazi and Nakamba realize how lucky they are to be starting in a Premier League side.. you would think they would make more of the opportunity so ownership isn't forced to recruit over them.
Questioning one's ability is one thing, but when we begin to question effort we've got a problem.
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Half time can’t come quickly enough, they are properly battering us.
Really?
Yes
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Half time can’t come quickly enough, they are properly battering us.
Really?
What? Do you think we are playing well?
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Ah well, at least we have learned from the 2015/16 season of the dangers of winning away to a newly-promoted club. We won't be making that mistake again.
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Wow.
That was a bad watch.
Watford tactic just to get the ball as quickly as possible to Sarr and they've done it very well. Reminds me of us under MON quickly getting the ball to Young.
Not really sure what we do now, second goal killed any chances of getting even a point today I suspect.
Throw Bailey on and see if he can link with Ings but Watford will just sit back now so won't be much space to run into.
Just have to hope for better next week with a full week's training.
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Half time can’t come quickly enough, they are properly battering us.
Really?
Yes, really
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We should have a crunch time for Dean Smith thread
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Nakamba is an absolute liability against a pressing team.
But tbh every single player has looked dreadful.
Long season ahead..
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We looking woefully under prepared and off the pace. Ings isn’t holding the ball up at all either which doesn’t help
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That was very very shit. Like a team playing their first pre season friendly against a fully fit side. Not helped by Dean being ridiculously passive again.
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I'm afraid this is why some of us remain unconvinced by Dean's ability to take us where NSWE want to go. I know there are mitigations, I know we're recovering from losing that Joe guy, but this is far from the first time that we've looked like we don't have any sort of plan for attacking. The movements look totally individualised, players holding onto the ball too long, no real idea about moving together and just waiting for someone to do something brilliant by themselves.
I know it's a new team, I know there are injuries, but that was really pathetic. It looks every bit like a one-man team lacking that one man.
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Wow.
That was a bad watch.
Watford tactic just to get the ball as quickly as possible to Sarr and they've done it very well. Reminds me of us under MON quickly getting the ball to Young.
Not really sure what we do now, second goal killed any chances of getting even a point today I suspect.
Throw Bailey on and see if he can link with Ings but Watford will just sit back now so won't be much space to run into.
Just have to hope for better next week with a full week's training.
Need to score early if we have any hope. I have no faith in smith being able to tuen this around. We all saw it except smith the problems on the keft ams he did nothing.
If bailey was fit his pace would cause them issues he is even quicker than sarr so imagine what he could do.
We have pressed so poorly and counter attacked poorly.
It was really has been a disaster and smiths 100% to blame
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Disappointing thing for me is anyone could see Targett was massively struggling after 10 minutes.....yet it took until 40 minutes for us to tweak anything and move AEG over there (who's awful on the right anyway).
It's those little things for me, no way would top level managers like Tuchel try to wait until end of halves to try to change things, they'd be doing it after 20 minutes.
Now we're 2 down and looking impossible to even get a point now with our general lack of tempo.
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If he sends us out with no changes after that, I'll be genuinely amazed.
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First game I know, but so far Buendia looks like a less robust Carles Gil.
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Expect a sub on 65 minutes
Trez for El Ghazi :)
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We've gone from one of the most creative players in world football to some guy that was totally anonymous when we hammered his old club 5-1. Okay...
They better get some more signings in because this ain't it.
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After a 4 year hiatus from this site I see nothing has changed 😊
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If he sends us out with no changes after that, I'll be genuinely amazed.
Sad to say that I won’t. Traore for El Ghazi on 65 minutes is my guess.
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This is what happens when you start the season undercooked and lose your best player just a few days before it starts.
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After a 4 year hiatus from this site I see nothing has changed 😊
see you in 2031
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Disappointing thing for me is anyone could see Targett was massively struggling after 10 minutes.....yet it took until 40 minutes for us to tweak anything and move AEG over there (who's awful on the right anyway).
It's those little things for me, no way would top level managers like Tuchel try to wait until end of halves to try to change things, they'd be doing it after 20 minutes.
Now we're 2 down and looking impossible to even get a point now with our general lack of tempo.
Spot on 👏
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One thing I haven't seen mentioned is the return of fans. Our sides have been very chicken-hearted over the years and easily get intimidated by raucous away grounds. This will cost us a lot of points vs last year.
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Half time can’t come quickly enough, they are properly battering us.
Really?
What? Do you think we are playing well?
No we are playing crap but they are not battering usHalf time can’t come quickly enough, they are properly battering us.
Really?
What? Do you think we are playing well?
No we are playing crap but they are not battering us. Sarr is the only problem, sort him out and start playing and we’ll be ok but that very unlucky goal means we will struggle to take anything from this game now. I’m expecting us to come out firing and if we don’t then I will worry
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Struggling to see us get anything out of this game. Bloody damage limitation at the moment.
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This is one of those times when I wish we had voted in favour of the five subs rule!
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The owners won't tolerate this for long. There is no excuse for looking so disjointed and completely lacking in any cohesion even this early in the season.
Watford really aren't great and are throwing together a whole bunch of new players too.
That was as bad a half as any worst nightmare scenario.
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First game I know, but so far Buendia looks like a less robust Carles Gil.
Might help if we played him on the right, you know, where he normally plays. Just a thought.
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He's seen it. Ramsey on for Targett. Imagine Young at left back.
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If he sends us out with no changes after that, I'll be genuinely amazed.
Sad to say that I won’t. Traore for El Ghazi on 65 minutes is my guess.
That’s me wrong, Targett sacrificed, Ramsey on. 3 at the back?
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All ready for Troy Bluenose fucking Deeney coming on after about 65mins and getting his usual goal against us?
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don't worry - Jacob Ramsey is coming on....
Young will go to left back - oh dear....
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Ramsey???
What the hell is he gonna add???
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Ramsey on, Targett off. Young switched to left back.
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£100 milion now - Go get Sarr and JWP and stop fucking about
Get rid of El Ghazi and Nakamba is just a BnM Kante
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This sub just demonstrates for me smith has no idea what he is doing
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Hopefully this will show the owners that we’re still a couple of players short.
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Looks like I was very optimistic putting us down for a draw!
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Am sure 47 year old Ashley will keep Sarr and his pace under control.
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Truly shite.
Don’t worry Dean will make the necessary subs at half time to make up for the fact he got the starting line up so wrong.
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Better, finally.
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One thing I haven't seen mentioned is the return of fans. Our sides have been very chicken-hearted over the years and easily get intimidated by raucous away grounds. This will cost us a lot of points vs last year.
Yeah could be some truth in that. We won what 2 away games back in prem up to lockdown and since then our away record has been really good so we've liked playing in empty stands.
Rarely saw us looked this ragged against anyone away last season.
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Close.
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I don't think JWP would make any difference.
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close then
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Ramsey has looked lively to be fair.
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Better !!
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Ramsey has looked lively to be fair.
He's been on for three whole minutes though.
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Ramsey has done more in three minutes than Villa did in 45.
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I'm glad I couldn't be bothered to make a disparaging post about Ramsey earlier!
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Nakamba threading balls
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I reckon that's what Ramsey brings, maybe a few people need to give him a chance.
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Well done jacob. Done more than the whole team in 2 mins
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After a 4 year hiatus from this site I see nothing has changed 😊
Ha!
It’s a lowatus!
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More like it Villa!!
Nakamba troubles me.
Right to hook targett .awful.
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Buendia is very lightweight.
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Ramsey's changed the game. He really moves the ball on quickly.
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I don't think JWP would make any difference.
set pieces wouldnt be shite
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Come on villa this is better
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Has Ramsey gone to 10 and Buendia wide left? How are we shaping up now?
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Buendia has been awful. Bloody terrible debut.
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Targett barely put a foot wrong all last season but had a torrid time today.
He needed help though and didn't get any until it was too late.
He'll be back next week and he'll be at it I have no doubt.
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After a 4 year hiatus from this site I see nothing has changed 😊
see you in 2031
It's actually a four day hiatus anyway.
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Buendia has been awful. Bloody terrible debut.
The villa curse when decent players come here they turn shite.
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Buendia is very lightweight.
This was always my concern with him, he struggled with the pace and physicality of this league last time, I really hoped he'd learned in the championship but he's been bullied out of the game today.
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Hmm maybe we really were a one man team after all.
Buendia hasn't looked very good, neither has Ings. The rest of the team look like they always do without Jack (not very good).
On the plus side we have Bailey and Traore on the bench and Watkins to come back.
If we are going with two in central midfield then we need to buy two better players or we will be flirting with relegation not Europe. Otherwise we need to pick a three and have Ings as a impact sub / backup for Ollie.
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They new set piece coach has got his work cut out.
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How hard is it to just have afucking shot like watford have just had?
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We're missing Barkley.
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These will take every chance they get to roll around the pitch and waste time. We might only have twenty minutes actual football to score at least two goals in.
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We're missing Barkley.
Genuine lol, very good!
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Our set pieces look slightly worse now we’ve got a specialist coach for them.
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We're missing Drinkwater.
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We are missing Grant Holt
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Mings booked. Makes up for getting away with one in the first half.
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They could do with taking a leaf out of the U23 performance and result from last night.
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We're missing Penrice
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ridiculous challenge from Ty
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Were missing david unsworth
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Where's Ross McCormack when you need him?
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ftp://
Were missing david unsworth
So is his wife ...
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We’re missing Franz Carr.
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Stupid by mings. So pointless
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We're missing the point.
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We're missing Djemba Djemba
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I always thought that Eric Djemba-Djemba had something to offer.
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We’re missing Steve Stone.
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We are missing tonev. Who missed everything
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We’re being beaten by a team captained by Tom ‘Anonymous’ Cleverley.
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Absolute rubbish from Buendia-Buendia.
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Is there anything to show any hope today?
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I always thought that Eric Djemba-Djemba had something to offer.
Yes, a voluntary termination of his contract
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Sarr dived should be a yellow
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The three minute lively start to the half didn't last.
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get Bailey on
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AEG off, Bailey on.
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Bailey coming on for AEG. Good chance to be a hero.
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Nanny McPhee there waving an ipad at Bailey and shrugging.
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Watford diving all of the place
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Bailey coming on for the utterly, utterly anonymous El Ghazi.
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El Ghazi touched the ball today? Looks like he's off.
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Bailey! The cream!
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No luck there for Ramsey.
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Pretty poor stuff from AEG.
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El Ghazi touched the ball today? Looks like he's off.
Yeah.. off to Rome.
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Take whatever Roma offer for him, crap as usual.
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I cant wait for Smith's assessment of this debacle
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Let's hope this a debut to remember - for the right reasons.
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El Ghazi touched the ball today? Looks like he's off.
Yeah.. off to Rome.
In a Ford mondeo
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We're missing Lescott
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"There's only one Leon Bailey", FFS. Book the away end, fucking useless.
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Bailey coming on for AEG. Good chance to be a hero.
Come on Leon, son. Give us something to cling onto after this 60 minute debacle.
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Kucka is showing exactly why we need someone bigger and stronger in there, he's bullied us and made it easy for their better players to get the ball in dangerous positions.
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El Ghazi touched the ball today? Looks like he's off.
Yeah.. off to Rome.
Hope so. Bloody rubbish except for his penalties.
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AEGs been rubbish. Glad he is off
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I cant wait for Smith's assessment of this debacle
Yeah, no.
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dennis you mug.
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Cash hasn't covered himself in glory in the last few minutes.
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This is wretched.
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Take whatever Roma offer for him, crap as usual.
Hope Roma weren't watching today....
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Cashs set pieces have been woeful
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Buendia will not pass or shoot!
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El Ghazi touched the ball today? Looks like he's off.
Lets hope
such an inconsistent player who most the time is anonymous.. Not good enough for where we need to be.
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Wm coverage is fucking gash
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Glad I’ve got no stream.
Bring back covid - we were good then.
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Buendia need stop the digging in their box
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Buendia will not pass or shoot!
It’s as piss poor a debut as I’ve ever seen. Woeful.
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Buendia will not pass or shoot!
To be fair he had about 8 players around him then
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Thank god that fucker is going off.
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I doubt Marvelous would get in the Watford team.
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Oh shit. 3 nil
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Buendia will not pass or shoot!
To be fair he had about 8 players around him then
All the more reason to get rid of the fucking thing!
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Omnishambles.
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This is shameful.
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3-0. Shameful.
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Oh my fucking God.
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Let’s be frank, a very disrupted pre season but we are a one man team. We are going to struggle this season. Any hopes of Europe in a season.......
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All over
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Fuck me.
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Im done smith can do one
Absolutely pathetic
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That's a great goal, to be fair.
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Fucking hell!
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oh dear
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The problem here is the Head coach.
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That's how you make a fucking debut. Incredible strike. Twat.
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Did El Ghazi play right side though? He’s actually never had a good game there. I would have thought him left and Young right was more sensible but still. Is it the midfield that has really struggled, if so it might at least mean that they press on and make a signing or two there, we all know it’s needed.
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At least we're not bottom of the table! Yet!
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Welcome back to the Premier League, Watford. Here, have three points.
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This is a pumping.
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Lost my internet and when I got it back we were 3 down.
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Long hard season it seems
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Lost my internet and when I got it back we were 3 down.
Me too
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Looking forward to hearing Smith defend this atrocity.
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GOOOOOAL
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We scored
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Goooooooooooooool!
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Beautiful finish the vice captain.
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Ffs i need 3 more
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Thank you Leon and SJM.
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Traore for Buendia.
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First shot on target, absolutely belting goal.
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The comeback is on!
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Great finish by SJM.
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Too little, too late.
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Buendia, can we get a refund? Bailey looks the real deal though.
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Traoré-Traoré for Buendia-Buendia
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At least Smith is making substitutes and changing things now he has more of a bench.
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Was that our first shot on target?
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Buendia has been so fuckin shit today
Rather have had sarr
Traore awful ball
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Pity it’s in vain after a shameful defensive display.
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As an aside, is it just me or is the site running painfully slowly?
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Pity it’s in vain after a shameful defensive display.
Maybe Terry was a good coach after all! Wouldn't surprise me if he came back as manager at some point.
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As an aside, is it just me or is the site running painfully slowly?
Yeeeeeeesssssssss iiiiiitttttttt iiiiiissssss.
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Cash has been awful as well.
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At least Smith is making substitutes and changing things now he has more of a bench.
just a little bit late.
Has Smith ever made a first half sub?
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On the bright side, Ramsey and Bailey have both looked decent since coming on.
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matty cash had a mare
Buendia will be class so will Layon Bailey
Ramsay not so sure
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As an aside, is it just me or is the site running painfully slowly?
It's about as fast as Gareth Barry turning with the ball.
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Ffs is anywhere else I can get commentary? Wm pissing off around the grounds....
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Full week of training and Bailey has to start next weekend.
Would be tempted to start Traore aswell, not impressed by Buendia either. Does he ever pass when on edge of the box? Just holds onto the ball, lets 3-4 crowd round him and then loses the ball.
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Bailey looks like he's going to be fun to watch.
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As an aside, is it just me or is the site running painfully slowly?
Same for me but I always find that on a match day. Luckily it’s so slow it means it’s in sync with my delayed stream so I don’t get too many surprises!
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In fact Bailey is world class
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We look like we have no plan.
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Oh god, here he comes.
That's 4-1
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Deeney. Ah fork.
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As an aside, is it just me or is the site running painfully slowly?
No, it's terribly slow.
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Bailey has become our new grealish
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Here comes the bluenose woodite
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Nakamba isn't up to it. Awful player
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We look like we have no plan.
We did. Sadly he buggered off up the M6 2 weeks ago.
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They have improved this half but it looks like it's going to be too little too late.
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Why all the fuckin backwards passing??
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Never anybody in the middle - needs sorting.
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Is there a team who passes backwards as much as we do ?
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Matty cash looks more a contestant on love island than a footballer today
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Is there a team who passes backwards as much as we do ?
A rugby team
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Is there a team who passes backwards as much as we do ?
Apparently not the team captained by Tom Cleverley.
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Watch smiths excuses
"Team needs time to gel"
"We havent had a full week to train"
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Man alive, we miss Watkins.
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Either their players are better than ours or their coaching is.
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If we're serious about progressing as a club, we need a manager to reflect that ambition
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It’s the coaching. Nothing I’ve heard in this game fills me with hope for the early part of this season
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Dog shit today. As feared, will take a good month for this collection of players to resemble a functioning team. The back four have looked worryingly shakey. Buckle up for a rocky ride Villans.
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Man alive, we miss Watkins.
We seriously miss Jack.
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Bailey looks up for it.
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Either their players are better than ours or their coaching is.
I'll choose option 2. Without over reacting but performances like today are what cost managers their jobs, especially when we've spent the cash we have.
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Smith has been banging on about being versatile over the last week or so.
This is where we now see he fucking about with the formation constantly.
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Either their players are better than ours or their coaching is.
I'll choose option 2. Without over reacting but performances like today are what cost managers their jobs, especially when we've spent the cash we have.
The changes Dean has made have all improved the performance
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No sure the “defence needs time to gel” argument holds any water, as they were the same players as last season.
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Just knew Smith would lose this.
This is the type of game he loses.
Remember when they battered us 3-0 with 10 men? Dena smith for you
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Either their players are better than ours or their coaching is.
I'll choose option 2. Without over reacting but performances like today are what cost managers their jobs, especially when we've spent the cash we have.
The changes Dean has made have all improved the performance
To be fair, he took off Targett and El Ghazi who were absolutely, positively dreadful today. Could not have gotten any worse no matter who he brought on.
He probably didn't even want to play Bailey considering he's been at villa for a cup of tea.. but has no choice given the way things were going.
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I think we need to lose the claret and blue glasses soon and realise that dean May have taken us as far as we can go. Either that or the inconsistency needs addressing. I’m expecting big boy pants, overreaction etc on the site later but today could be another of those confidence knockers that sees us on another 10 game horror show results wise
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Traore has done way, way more than AEG since coming on
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Tripe.
Buy I expected tripe.
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I think we need to lose the claret and blue glasses soon and realise that dean May have taken us as far as we can go. Either that or the inconsistency needs addressing. I’m expecting big boy pants, overreaction etc on the site later but today could be another of those confidence knockers that sees us on another 10 game horror show results wise
My concerns were only highlighted today. Didnt make the change quick enough. Youbg waa good at left back. Sarr hardly had a sniff 2nd half. Smith waited and game was lost.
I dont suspect he can take us any further im afraid
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The score line will flatter us
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3-2, a bit better than we were twenty minutes ago.
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Watch smiths excuses
"Team needs time to gel"
"We havent had a full week to train"
Fair points though
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Watch smiths excuses
"Team needs time to gel"
"We havent had a full week to train"
Fair points though
Maybe on the final third front, but giving up 3 goals to Watford with the same back four as last year, along with SJM and Marv in front of them is unacceptable.
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Bullied in midfield, which is an issue we’ve had for years and still haven’t managed to sort it out.
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Watch smiths excuses
"Team needs time to gel"
"We havent had a full week to train"
Fair points though
Watford had a lot of debutants and they managed to gel so i dont by that one.