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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on December 20, 2020, 09:06:44 PM
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Thoroughly deserved victory. Even before the red card we were the better team and we put those fuckers to the sword in the second. The 70% possession and 3-0 scoreline doesn’t do us justice.
Fantastic performance by everyone but special mention to Bert and AEG. Great job
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Phew!
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Did they have a shot? Genuine question.
Complete dominance.
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Well Beaten Again 0 Always Victorious 3
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Oy Sam! you could have been getting a suntan in Dubai. Merry Christmas!
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Yesssssss!!!!!!!
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3 points and another clean sheet, next!
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Ollie was robbed. But very good and controlled win. Excellent goal from Bertrand.
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Thoroughly deserved victory. Even before the red card we were the better team and we put those fuckers to the sword in the second. The 70% possession and 3-0 scoreline doesn’t do us justice.
Fantastic performance by everyone but special mention to Bert and AEG. Great job
As I said in the match thread it was a case of fine margins, could've easily been a lot more, we toyed with them all 2nd half.
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Get in! Good performance. Traore, superb, what a diff from last match. Thought they could nick it as we were not ruthless enough until the 2nd. Albion looked shit. FTA, UTV.
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Hard to drop Traore or El Ghazi on that showing.
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A performance of style,elan and poise.
A thing of beauty.
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Fuck the Albion. Well done Villa. Merry Christmas everyone 🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂
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Fuck the Albion
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Given VAR seems desperate for Watkins to never score again, it's great that that isn't stopping us scoring.
(Burnley aberration aside)
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Well that was satisfying. Thought Fat Sam was going to have a heart attack when the red was shown. Could have been 8. Well played. El Ghazi and Traore deserve loads of credit. w00t!!
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The scoreline was kind on the Albion. We do lack a killer instinct though, as mad as that sounds after a 0-3 drubbing.
Stripeys to be relegated.
We are a goal each game away from being top 4.
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Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle all the way
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Did they have a shot? Genuine question.
Complete dominance.
1 apparently.
I thought we were struggling to break the packed defence down for around an hour but a brilliant finish by Traore for the second.
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"Three fuckin' nil to us"
Fuck that fat crook, first pre match prediction I've got correct for ages.
Fuck them. Fuck that tiny main stand and fuck every other thing about them.
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We're hilariously better than them.
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That was nice.
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Easiest win we will have all season, dominated from kick off to final whistle.
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Delighted for Traore. He played so well and deserved that goal.
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Well, El Ghazi and Traore both played really well, which I suppose shows we shouldn't be too quick to judge off the back of one disappointing performance. Traore in particular tonight I thought looked great. Really disappointed for Ollie, he deserved that goal and another stolen from him over an inch.
Overally, really competent performance, the sort you'd expect for a top-half side against relegation strugglers. People will point to the one-man advantage, but we were much the better side 11 v 11, and if they hadn't parked the bus when down to 10 I think we've have scored more than the 1 we already had.
Very happy!
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Given VAR seems desperate for Watkins to never score again, it's great that that isn't stopping us scoring.
(Burnley aberration aside)
Given the nature of the types of goal Ollie likes to score he’ll be getting a complex soon. In another era he would have scored a ton of goals. I’m sure if we play back a lot of Lineker’s goals we’d be chalking a load of them off. I truly hate VAR
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Just gone into Tier 4 so that's cheered me up...Fuck the Albion..
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I like the cut of Traores cloth, Grealish imperial, things can only get better.
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Happy Birthday to me! Thanks boys, I'll now finish my nice bottle of CLARET!
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Ninth in the table with games in hand.
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Love the Villa on a Sunday night. Olaf , the Baggies despatched with aplomb ! Well done lads.
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Sandwell were lucky to get nil.
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El-Ghazi MOM and a huge boost to his confidence, Traore was brilliant, nonchalant, laid back. Also a shout for Cash, I fucking love him.
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Happy Birthday to me! Thanks boys, I'll now finish my nice bottle of CLARET!
Happy birthday, enjoy!
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Nil flattered Smethwick.
I Can’t believe they were playing that long ball shite all the time under Bilic. The most appalling team we’ve played in a long time. Fat Sam is an absolute dinosaur and truly laughable that their board thought he was the answer.
I was starting to fret a little before the second goal, but that was total and utter domination.
UTFV.
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Great result, exhibition football. Villa were brilliant to a man. Bitters were woeful. Traore a class act on that showing. UTV.
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FUCK OFF!!!! YESSSS
VAR couldn't rip us off!
The red was about time trying to injure jack
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I hate playing these bitter urchins. Don't even care about beating them, I just don't want to lose and face months of 'bantz' from the in-laws.
Three points, three goals, clean sheet. Good times!
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Excellent all round. Traore and AEG have come in for criticism, but were great today. Traore's best performance for us so far. El Ghazi looks great when he's confident. To be honest, bad finishing aside I didn't think he did a lot wrong in the last game. Glad to see him score a couple today and he was a constant threat.
Thought Watkins played well up top. Should have had the goal. But I like his movement, his hold up play. Very good player, and he's gonna get better. He deserved a goal. SJM superb. Everyone was on it today. We played some great stuff (and perhaps overplayed at times, but a minor criticism).
As for Jack...well, it's just such a pleasure watching that man play football. He's majestic. We still have two games in hand on a lot of sides too, and I think at least one of those will be a victory.
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We are really looking quite good aren’t we?
Very impressed with Bert tonight, but then they all played well.
I work in Wednesbury so tomorrow morning will be sweet.
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Well, that was beautiful. I loved Traore's goal, and presumably someone will tell the Albion keeper that it's enough to take the knee before the game, it's not necessary during it.
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I’m four pre match threads unbeaten. You’re welcome.
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Love the Villa on a Sunday night. Olaf , the Baggies despatched with aplomb ! Well done lads.
We'd win the league if we played every remaining match in Sunday 7.15pm slot. No idea what we have for tea in the afternoon but certainly working!
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What a truly one sided game. We toyed with them. At one point, I am ashamed to say, I was a little bored and thought we had turned into Arsenal. Then boom!! Traore will a lovely finish to top off what was a great performance. Clever penalty by El Ghazi. Terrific performance all round. VAR can fuck off. How can anyone prove when the ball was actually kicked. An inch offside ffs.
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It’s looking a darn sight better than it did at Christmas 2019.
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The best thing about that was the little triangles down the right between Traore, Cash and whichever midfielder joined them. It's mirroring what Jack and Targett +1 have been doing down the left for ages and gives us a whole further dimension we didn't really have with Trez playing wide right.
Traore played really well and his finish was sublime, and AEG has upped his game remarkably.
Main concern is we are still making poor decisions in the penalty area, shooting when we should pass and vice versa. It's costing us goals.
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Happy days!
Sunday evenings are made for the Villa.
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Most one-sided derby I can remember since the 5-1 game. Coming away from the Whorethorns with three points and no broken legs is all you can ask for.
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Great result, an easy win in the end, but a shame we didn't score 6 or 7. 8)
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I’m four pre match threads unbeaten. You’re welcome.
Keep up the good work.
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I thought El Ghazi was done, perhaps a few performances here and there before leaving in the summer. He's now looking like a key player again.
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What a massive transformation compared to last season.
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Nice early Christmas present!
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Very frustrating. Should have been 5 or 6. Did Albion have any sort of shot on goal?
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IT AY FAYER
IT WOR FAYER
IT WO BE FAYER
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I am reliably informed that Emi Martinez bought a pie in the 80th minute and sat in the stand to eat it. That's how dominant it was.
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The most one sided game of the weekend... Yes we never scored 7, but from the word go, we were on top.... the Man Ure v Dirty Leeds + the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' game will be highlighted more than our game on MOTD...
Well played Al Ghazi + Traore but the whole team played well.. (no subs)
Merry Christmas everybody, one game at home before the January window opens, I still think we need a couple of quality players in the window to cover injuries & suspensions... Up the Villa xxx
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Livermore is a total tw*t.
McGinn is back!!
Watkins will be a serious scorer in time.
Targett looks relaxed, confident and competent.
Traore's total leftfootedness is very frustrating at times, but he was soooo cool for his goal!
El Ghazi is a clever player; just needs to show it more often.
Villa look like an accomplished Premier League side.
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What a massive transformation compared to last season.
Yep we’re pretty dominant against most teams now.
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I thought El Ghazi was done, perhaps a few performances here and there before leaving in the summer. He's now looking like a key player again.
I'm glad he stayed. He seems a player who will play well in a side that's playing well. We're at the right end of things, playing with confidence, so I think he'll have a big part to play. He scores goals. In all honesty we could save us a bit of money if he hits form again and we'll have three decent wingers fighting for places.
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Livermore is a total tw*t.
McGinn is back!!
Watkins will be a serious scorer in time.
Targett looks relaxed, confident and competent.
Villa look like an accomplished Premier League side.
Still not convinced about Targett, lost it a couple of times today which lead to.a break for them
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This is what happy days are made of
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Jack in the middle is key to us creating far more opportunities.
Keep him there.
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Nice early Christmas present!
Merry Christmas. What joy that was!
Superb from each and everyone of them and deserved to win by a +3 goals margin!
Shots 19 shots on target 10
Goals 3!
AEG well played that man!
Traroe is the best Traroe in the Prem!
Up the Villa!
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The most one sided game of the weekend... Yes we never scored 7, but from the word go, we were on top.... the Man Ure v Dirty Leeds + the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' game will be highlighted more than our game on MOTD...
Is it actually on MOTD? The next one's the Boxing Day special, from what I can find.
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Still dropping him as soon as Barkley is healthy, but fair play to Traore; his goal was very nice.
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What a massive transformation compared to last season.
Sure does. I just love the attacking intent in every game. Final ball just needs some work particularly when teams defend in numbers like tonight.
Poor Oli. I just don’t celebrate anymore but even with his goal I eventually celebrated as we were lining up for the kick off. And then....
Jack was superb tonight. What a pleasure to watch him. His runs with the ball are just sublime. Needs to just work on the final ball occasionally but what a Player. We are lucky to have him
Congrats Bertie. What a finish. Anwar could have had 4 himself but really looking good now.
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I've been waiting most of the last forty years for a Villa team that plays like this one. Loving it, loving it, loving it. Been sat here with a huge cheesy grin on my face for two hours.
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Superb performance tonight, Johnstone MOM for them, which says it all. Well on top even before the sending off. Superb Jack, AEG, SJM but think I'd give MOM to Bertie, his goal just class.
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46 shots across the last two matches.
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Richard Keys blithering on about Hause not being sent off, a moot point but he kept bringing it up the fat Coventry nonce.
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What’s that? 46 shots in two games and only three goals.
Smith out!
🤣🤣
Didn’t see these figures happening last year!
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Hause got a bit lucky not to walk. It doesn't look good at all in replays.
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I get the feeling we’re really going to smash some team soon.
Actually I remember saying that in the Lambert years, which was probably very wishful thinking.
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Its an absolute pleasure watching us play. Watching with a smile on my face again. Traore MOM for me but I feel for Watkins, even with the lines that was never offside
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I have only one comment to make.
JACK GREALISH IS AN AWESOME FOOTBALLER.
Goodnight everybody. UTV
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Brilliant win I'm so pleased with our performance.
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Excellent performance.
Only Man City have a better defence than us now too, with yet another clean sheet away from home. The squad is still a bit light, but AEG has really grasped his opportunity and Traore too with his performance today.
We're a very pleasing side to watch too.
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Almost annoying to think that if we hadn’t lost those stupid games against Brighton Spam and Southampton we would be top 4 at Xmas. WOW what a turnaround Dean!
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Michael Owen was very passionate about Jack diving. I really hope he’s as animated when Mane or Salah does it. Fuck off Michael.
And that stupid wanker Paul Ince thinks it wasn’t a red card. At least Owen thought that was nailed on red.
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Hause got a bit lucky not to walk. It doesn't look good at all in replays.
Awesome, moral victory for the Albion.
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Oy Sam! you could have been getting a suntan in Dubai. Merry Christmas!
Ha ha ha ha - perhaps not given there’s a global pandemic - but get your point!
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7 points from the last 3 games?
3 clean sheets.
Yes please.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12168962/villa-ease-past-10-man-west-brom
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Michael Owen was very passionate about Jack diving. I really hope he’s as animated when Mane or Salah does it. Fuck off Michael.
And that stupid wanker Paul Ince thinks it wasn’t a red card. At least Owen thought that was nailed on red.
How would Ince have reacted if Livermore tackled him like that?
He’s a fucking idiot.
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Well done you villa boys
Looking forward to work. In lovely Wednsebury tomorrow
Just to shout " we'me Villa aye we "
Get in!
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Michael Owen was very passionate about Jack diving. I really hope he’s as animated when Mane or Salah does it. Fuck off Michael.
That's a pretty nice glass house that he's lobbing those stones out of.
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Owen was a fuxking diver so he can fuck right off. My finished at 23
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What’s that? 46 shots in two games and only three goals.
Smith out!
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Didn’t see these figures happening last year!
First 8 or so matches last season and there was 30-40 shots a match between us and the opposition. The trouble was we couldn't defend or score so we normally lost them stupidly.
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The words Michael Owen and animated don’t belong in the same paragraph, let alone sentence. He’s a one-eyed monotone dullard of the highest order.
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Michael Owen was very passionate about Jack diving. I really hope he’s as animated when Mane or Salah does it. Fuck off Michael.
And that stupid wanker Paul Ince thinks it wasn’t a red card. At least Owen thought that was nailed on red.
I did think Jack was a bit theatrical on a couple of occasions prior to the sending off. He doesn’t need to do that and just gives ammunition to the likes of Owen
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Is that the Michael Owen that dived against Argentina?
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Not having ago at Watkins as they are so close to be negatable, but i wonder how many of his goals last season would have been bounced if Var was in the Championship?
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Michael Owen was very passionate about Jack diving. I really hope he’s as animated when Mane or Salah does it. Fuck off Michael.
And that stupid wanker Paul Ince thinks it wasn’t a red card. At least Owen thought that was nailed on red.
How would Ince have reacted if Livermore tackled him like that?
He’s a fucking idiot.
Michael Owen was very passionate about Jack diving. I really hope he’s as animated when Mane or Salah does it. Fuck off Michael.
And that stupid wanker Paul Ince thinks it wasn’t a red card. At least Owen thought that was nailed on red.
How would Ince have reacted if Livermore tackled him like that?
He’s a fucking idiot.
Is the correct answer
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Fat Sam complaining about the Hause challenge but in fairness he didn't defend the Livermore sending off.
Martin Keown praising Villa and saying we are "going places".
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EASY.
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Fat Sam complaining about the Hause challenge but in fairness he didn't defend the Livermore sending off.
Martin Keown praising Villa and saying we are "going places".
He got his VAR by moaning constantly for years so he can shut his fat fucking corrupt gob.
Three fuckin' nil you fat fucking ******.
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I really hope we are allowed to do some more business this January. We are a couple of players off being very capable and people taking us very seriously again.
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What the hell do we do in Bodymoor during the week? We look coached. We look organised. What devilry is this?
Special mention for El Ghazi and Traore. A sort of mini redemption for the Burnley game, not that I personally think they need to be redeemed, as it was one of those days.
I also can't remember a match where we dominated the whole 90 like this one, without the oppo having even the tiniest spell of pressure. Bring on Palace.
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Wouldn't it be terrible if Jack dived twice in the World Cup finals.
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After a very convincing performance, the only criticism tonight was not wrapping up the win a lot sooner.
Albion never threatened before the red card and even less afterwards. I think their expected goals was 0.02. I'm not sure if I've ever seen a figure that low.
Livermore was out to get Grealish from the first minute and he could've been booked before the red anyway. You could tell Big Sam was not pleased with Livermore in the post match interview.
Hause was maybe a bit lucky he didn't see a red. It wasn't quite as clear, but if Atkinson had given it, it probably wouldn't have been overturned.
Traore was much improved tonight and it was a very cool finish although it didn't turn out to be the toughest of matches.
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LOL and Paul Ince called Jake Livermore Albion’s talisman. If that’s the case they are utterly fucked.
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Did they have a shot? Genuine question.
WBA have become the first Premier League team ever to have 100% of their shots on target in a match.
1 shot 1 on target.
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I have only one comment to make.
JACK GREALISH IS AN AWESOME FOOTBALLER.
Goodnight everybody. UTV
Totally. He brings us so much happiness!
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What the hell do we do in Bodymoor during the week? We look coached. We look organised. What devilry is this?
Special mention for El Ghazi and Traore. A sort of mini redemption for the Burnley game, not that I personally think they need to be redeemed, as it was one of those days.
I also can't remember a match where we dominated the whole 90 like this one, without the oppo having even the tiniest spell of pressure. Bring on Palace.
Both have been quoted in the BBC text commentary as stating along the lines of they feel like they let themselves and their team mates down against Burnley and needed to do better against the Albion so both are happy.
Two matches on the trot where Johnson has been MOTM for the Bags. And he still let in 4 goals.
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The sending off or lack of sending off were irrelevant, the game would still have been dominated by just one side.
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Men against boys...
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Fully expected the scabs to somehow fluke an equalizer even with about 5 per cent possession.
Especially when Watkins had another one chalked off.
Bert still possesses that frustrating ability to underhit even simple passes and Jack looked a bit off the pace again to start with.
But not for the first time this season we got stronger as the game wore on.
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Oh and another thing. Michael Owen said we misspent a lot of money last summer.
Well tonight of that misspent money last summer we had Mings, Hause, Targett, Luiz, AEG on the pitch, Heaton, Nakamba and Engels on the bench and Wesley still out after Mee assaulted him.
The laziness is unreal from some of these ex players now sitting in the media who have done next to no research at all.
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I dont think its possible to see a more dominant performance between 2 teams from the same division.
Thats gonna hurt them.
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Love the Villa on a Sunday night. Olaf , the Baggies despatched with aplomb ! Well done lads.
Indeed with aplomb :D
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Did they have a shot? Genuine question.
WBA have become the first Premier League team ever to have 100% of their shots on target in a match.
1 shot 1 on target.
Shot map
(https://i.ibb.co/wzCtzJp/IMG-20201220-215210.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wzCtzJp)
And for those interested, "The total xG in the match for West Bromwich Albion was 0.04. The total xG in the match for Aston Villa was 2.49."
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We maybe heading for europe and they are heading for Rotherham
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Oh and another thing. Michael Owen said we misspent a lot of money last summer.
Well tonight of that misspent money last summer we had Mings, Hause, Targett, Luiz, AEG on the pitch, Heaton, Nakamba and Engels on the bench and Wesley still out after Mee assaulted him.
The laziness is unreal from some of these ex players now sitting in the media who have done next to no research at all.
I heard that too, absolutely mind blowing what little research they do. So Ince thinks Grealish dived, Livermore sending off was harsh but Hause was a red card all day. And he wonders why no one will give him a job.
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Oh and another thing. Michael Owen said we misspent a lot of money last summer.
Well tonight of that misspent money last summer we had Mings, Hause, Targett, Luiz, AEG on the pitch, Heaton, Nakamba and Engels on the bench and Wesley still out after Mee assaulted him.
The laziness is unreal from some of these ex players now sitting in the media who have done next to no research at all.
Owen was a great player but a renowned dullard. I remember the Daily Mirror running an article about his first autobiography (first!) in which he kept a diary, including such insightful gems as:
8.30 am - stopped at the corner shop and bought a banana and some lemonade.
To be fair though, he’s upfront about being dull. He’s perfectly honest in admitting he’s never read a book or watched a film...
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Special mention for El Ghazi and Traore. A sort of mini redemption for the Burnley game, not that I personally think they need to be redeemed, as it was one of those days.
Five minutes after the Burnely game I did write on here pointing out El Ghazi, Traore and two others not being good enough. They where among our best tonight only behind Jack. So redeemed for me for the time being. Traore s goal and assist was something to take notice of, shows he can be some player. Still not convinced about AEG against better teams/players.
Really good to watch us today, very good teamperformance.
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Not having ago at Watkins as they are so close to be negatable, but i wonder how many of his goals last season would have been bounced if Var was in the Championship?
Who knows, but ultimately it’s the application of the rules that is wrong. They should be goals.
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Mind the gap, dickheads!
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The chances of Sam Allardyce keeping West Brom up are precisely zero. I’m not sure even Jesus would back himself to save them.
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Most one-sided derby I can remember since the 5-1 game. Coming away from the Whorethorns with three points and no broken legs is all you can ask for.
I felt absolutely confident before the match that we would beat them because we are so much better than them. The last time I felt in a similar way was yes the 5-1 game.
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tOh and another thing. Michael Owen said we misspent a lot of money last summer.
Well tonight of that misspent money last summer we had Mings, Hause, Targett, Luiz, AEG on the pitch, Heaton, Nakamba and Engels on the bench and Wesley still out after Mee assaulted him.
The laziness is unreal from some of these ex players now sitting in the media who have done next to no research at all.
Owen was a great player but a renowned dullard. I remember the Daily Mirror running an article about his first autobiography (first!) in which he kept a diary, including such insightful gems as:
8.30 am - stopped at the corner shop and bought a banana and some lemonade.
To be fair though, he’s upfront about being dull. He’s perfectly honest in admitting he’s never read a book or watched a film...
And also managed to make his wife a cup of coffee. Once
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The second goal seemed to take an absolute age to come. Well worth the win, even before their bloke decided to try and cripple Jack. Most players impressed, Traore especially. That goal was just a piss take.
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The chances of Sam Allardyce keeping West Brom up are precisely zero. I’m not sure even Jesus would back himself to save them.
Jesus only deals with miracles. Nothing higher.
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West Bromwich Albion 0-3 Aston Villa: Sam Allardyce's reign starts with defeat - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55268188
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The second goal seemed to take an absolute age to come.
I had some feeling there that we might not be able to score again - as against Burnley, and that they might get a fluke goal - typical Villa last seasons. After the match AEG did tell that last season they might not have won like this but now they where confident and knew what to do (to win games like this) - or words to that effect. Good to hear.
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Tonights win and the bookies are shortening odds of us finishing top 4. Generally it's about 20/1.
If you think that's a bit out of our reach this season maybe you fancy your fiver on Arsenal getting relegated and you get similar odds.
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The chances of Sam Allardyce keeping West Brom up are precisely zero. I’m not sure even Jesus would back himself to save them.
Jesus only deals with miracles. Nothing higher.
Sandwell didn't even have a cross.
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Just what was needed to lift the spirits given what is going on at the moment. Still not entirely convinced by El Ghazi and Traore, but they both produced tonight.
Think Hause and Mings deserve a mention as well, as although they weren't threatened too much, neither put one foot wrong throughout the game. Would have been easy to switch off given our dominance in the game, but they were both very solid.
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Even when it was 11v11, we looked a class above them. First half our midfield duo of Luiz/McGinn completely dominated and our widemen combined brilliantly for the goal. A second seemed inevitable even before the red card. Dominant obviously from that point forward, though it was a bit disappointing it took so long to get the second. Fine goal it was with a classy finish by Traore. It could have been any score for a finish but we'll take three. Not sure why Deano doesn't run the changes when we have games won. Watkins very poor in the first half but did improve after the break.
We are playing very well now for a number of weeks.
Martinez 7, Cash 7, Hause 7, Mings 7, Targett 7, Luiz 8, McGinn 7, Traore 9, AEG 8, Jack 9, Watkins 6
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Anyone got a clip of the Hause challenge? Missed that one.
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The chances of Sam Allardyce keeping West Brom up are precisely zero. I’m not sure even Jesus would back himself to save them.
Without the likes of De Bruyne providing the service to him it would be next to impossible.
Appears that penalty shootout win in the play-off semi-final was a bit of a sliding doors moment in our respective histories.
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A stroll in the park. Slight worry they might jam an equaliser at 1-0 but they didn't have a chance all game. Merry Christmas everyone
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Anyone got a clip of the Hause challenge? Missed that one.
Wasn't great.....ex ref on BT (Walton) said in a roundabout way that it should have been red. Orange anyway
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Fat Sam tonight.
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Well done you Villa boys More than happy to go to those two Black country giants in a week and beat both without as much as conceding a goal Fuck the Albion
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Anyone got a clip of the Hause challenge? Missed that one.
Genuinely thought he went for the ball with his studs, was a bit late and caught the Albion player instead. I personally wasn't sure about Livermore's being upgraded to red, though it did look particularly bad from the one angle.
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We are 220/1 to be relegated. Worth a £5 cover bet.
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The Livermore one was a red all day. The Hause one was a yellow but atleast gives them something to claim a moral victory about.
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I thought Livermore's would get upgraded once it went to the review and I thought Hause was in serious trouble too had the same thing applied. Having said that the rest of the game was a glorified trainings session on attack against defence.
Olbiyun showed absolutely nothing and if we have an easier top flight derby game this century I'll be amazed. If I supported them I'd be pretty pissed off with that performance. We were wasteful but did more than enough to see these off. Everybody played well without really needing to go through the gears. As routine as win as you'll see. Shout out to Traore and AEG who both have had question marks but looked really lively again tonight.
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Livermore's was out of control, Hause mistimed a caught the player. One was a red and the other a yellow, all day long. If you think otherwise you're pretty clueless.
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Sandwell were lucky to get nil.
They really were. Worst team we've faced in god knows how many years - including friendlies. Delighted with the 3 points, the effort, the goals but how poor were the Baggies? Still, more important it was a big confidence boost for some of our squad players. Just what they needed and good to see the unity of the squad with the celebration of the goals. Can't be easy for El Ghazi, Traore and Hause coming in after such few minutes, they'll appreciate the game time and it will only make us stronger.
Overall we never really got more than 3rd gear but then we never had to. Burnley they ain't. They'll be lucky not to break the record for least number of points in PL history. We also have lots of work to do.. if we want to finish in the Top 6. Today may just help us as we 'strengthen' the squad, not with recruitment but experience.
Oh and how much do I love Matty Cash. A true 110%er. Worth every penny. Almost as good as this. (http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=25331.0)
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They'll be lucky not to break the record for least number of points in PL history.
Unfortunately I think Sheff Utd being in the same division this year will mean they won't be picking up that record. They could be lucky to beat our points tally when we finally stopped circling and dropped.
Edit: As for the link, I only read through the first page but only one slight moan about Hause and pretty much stating Livermore is an arse and they are shit. Not even a "dive" mention which is surprising.
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Fat Sam tonight.
(https://i.ibb.co/z421X15/type-responsive-gallery.jpg) (https://ibb.co/z421X15)
I hope he's on a decent wage as his bonus for keeping them up is right up there with me scoring the winner for Villa at this seasons FA Cup Final. In fact, I fancy my chances more.
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I think McClaren will be upset that Allardyce took the Destroy and Exit contract this time.
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Edit: As for the link, I only read through the first page but only one slight moan about Hause and pretty much stating Livermore is an arse and they are shit. Not even a "dive" mention which is surprising.
Page 2.
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I was irrationally nervous at 1-0 with 15 to go, considering how dominant we were. Just hard to shake off the villa of recent years, who would of let a soft equaliser in against the run of play.
We were so dominant all over the field from start to end, it didn’t end up feeling like a derby. Everyone had a good game, and as has been said the wingers were impressive, but I thought McGinn, was superb.
The only disappointment is the decision to disallow Watkins goal. He wasn’t ahead of the defender even with all the stupid lines, he was level at worse, and unless the rules have completely changed, level is on side. He played well tonight, but you can see through his body language that he needs a goal now, positively he still keeps getting in good positions.
Great win though and we are looking so good.
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We are playing very well now for a number of weeks.
Martinez 7, Cash 7, Hause 7, Mings 7, Targett 7, Luiz 8, McGinn 7, Traore 9, AEG 8, Jack 9, Watkins 6
Had to chuckle at this. You're usually a hard marker but give Traore a 9! I guess a cheeky goal and an assist covers a multitude of sins (underhit passes, failure to beat a defender on his right at any time etc.) ;D
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https://www.football365.com/news/opinion-aston-villa-west-brom-allardyce-grealish-el-ghazi
Enjoy this everyone! (I particularly like the stats)
Merry Christmas!
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On Livermore and Hause I think the difference was height, the former made contact with his leg, latter with his foot. That's a big difference when it comes to the control of the tackle.
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Fuck the Albion. Well done Villa. Merry Christmas everyone 🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂
I think this is the valedictory message of tonight, really.
Thanks, CD.
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I can't quite get my head around how 18 months ago we finished below them in the 2nd division table and tonight if looked like a 3rd round cup game against a 3rd division side.
How we've progressed in that 18 months is phenomenal.
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Beaming still, not because of beating the bitters but because villa are back. Up the villa!!!!!
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The words Michael Owen and animated don’t belong in the same paragraph, let alone sentence. He’s a one-eyed monotone dullard of the highest order.
who spends all his time and money betting on horses.
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On Livermore and Hause I think the difference was height, the former made contact with his leg, latter with his foot. That's a big difference when it comes to the control of the tackle.
The Hause was similar to the challenge on Jack by Burnley thug so you can say that is consistent.
Livermore has both feet off the ground and that gets you sent off these days, he had already got away with 2 fouls on Jack so you know what he was trying to do.
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The chances of Sam Allardyce keeping West Brom up are precisely zero. I’m not sure even Jesus would back himself to save them.
Jesus only deals with miracles. Nothing higher.
Jesus has bought himself a Jack Grealish T-Shirt
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Livermore's was out of control, Hause mistimed a caught the player. One was a red and the other a yellow, all day long. If you think otherwise you're pretty clueless.
Spot on.
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Have not got BT, so just seen the goal highlights. Traore's goal was fantastic just passed it into the corner from 20 yards
Another good win, hopefully we can break our home hoodoo in the next game against Palace and that will another tough game for us
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On our recent form boxing day's game will be tough for the opposition.
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I was irrationally nervous at 1-0 with 15 to go, considering how dominant we were. Just hard to shake off the villa of recent years, who would of let a soft equaliser in against the run of play.
We were so dominant all over the field from start to end, it didn’t end up feeling like a derby. Everyone had a good game, and as has been said the wingers were impressive, but I thought McGinn, was superb.
The only disappointment is the decision to disallow Watkins goal. He wasn’t ahead of the defender even with all the stupid lines, he was level at worse, and unless the rules have completely changed, level is on side. He played well tonight, but you can see through his body language that he needs a goal now, positively he still keeps getting in good positions.
Great win though and we are looking so good.
I was nervous too but it’s because the two commentators were talking them up. It was starting to irritate me up to the second goal. Totally agree with the “offside” too even with the lines he looked onside
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On Livermore and Hause I think the difference was height, the former made contact with his leg, latter with his foot. That's a big difference when it comes to the control of the tackle.
The Hause was similar to the challenge on Jack by Burnley so you can say that is consistent.
Livermore has both feet off the ground and that gets you sent off these days, he had already got away with 2 fouls on Jack so you know what he was trying to do.
It was also after a whistle, let's not forget that. It was an assault carried out through a red mist.
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Watched most of 2nd half. Managed to miss all the goals, I did see the disallowed one though. Did think in real time it looked slightly offside, but on the replays it was very close and like his last disallowed one for offside, should probably have stood. He’s not getting much luck at the minute. Bigger picture though, we played the baggies off the park. Aside from 2 or 3 quick breaks which came to nothing, they hardly threatened our goal. I know they’ll bleat about being a man down, but fk ‘em. When I turned on it was just after Konsa’s (?) foul and I thought we’d had a man sent off- took me a little while to work out what had happened from the commentary. 5/6 on the rd now. Happy days- just need to get the home form back now and we’ll be flying!! UTFV 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
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Didn't see much of the game but looked like we ran the show from start to finish, lovely stuff. Can we play away every game, and on a Sunday night please.
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I was irrationally nervous at 1-0 with 15 to go, considering how dominant we were. Just hard to shake off the villa of recent years, who would of let a soft equaliser in against the run of play.
We were so dominant all over the field from start to end, it didn’t end up feeling like a derby. Everyone had a good game, and as has been said the wingers were impressive, but I thought McGinn, was superb.
The only disappointment is the decision to disallow Watkins goal. He wasn’t ahead of the defender even with all the stupid lines, he was level at worse, and unless the rules have completely changed, level is on side. He played well tonight, but you can see through his body language that he needs a goal now, positively he still keeps getting in good positions.
Great win though and we are looking so good.
I was nervous too but it’s because the two commentators were talking them up. It was starting to irritate me up to the second goal. Totally agree with the “offside” too even with the lines he looked onside
It's beginning to make me think commentators have to fulfil some 'balance' quotas with their clearly wrong "albion could be back in this any moment now" claims coming on the tails of "aren't leeds the bestest" as they let in number six.
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That does annoy me a bit when the commentators talk up the losing side. I guess they get told to do it, but it still grates. A bit like how they always mention how We nearly went down last season or compare the respective points tallies at this stage of the season to last season. Maybe it’s a backhanded compliment but it still annoys me. Last season was exactly that, focus on this season.
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Anyone got a clip of the Hause challenge? Missed that one.
Genuinely thought he went for the ball with his studs, was a bit late and caught the Albion player instead. I personally wasn't sure about Livermore's being upgraded to red, though it did look particularly bad from the one angle.
Livermore's was reckless lunge; Hause's was a mistimed tackle.
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There was one against us last week that was similar to the Hause challenge wasn't there, ie a bit late at ankle height, that rightly only got a yellow. Completely different to Livermore's wild shin high lunge at Jack.
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Anyone got a clip of the Hause challenge? Missed that one.
Genuinely thought he went for the ball with his studs, was a bit late and caught the Albion player instead. I personally wasn't sure about Livermore's being upgraded to red, though it did look particularly bad from the one angle.
Livermore's was reckless lunge; Hause's was a mistimed tackle.
I’d agree with this. Livermore was in the air when he held his leg and kicked out. Hause was clumsy, but a red wouldn’t have been a cause to complain myself. We got a little lucky I think, a different VAR referee and it could be different. Anyway, a hugely satisfying result and performance.
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There was one against us last week that was similar to the Hause challenge wasn't there, ie a bit late at ankle height, that rightly only got a yellow. Completely different to Livermore's wild shin high lunge at Jack.
Shin? Only because Jacks leg was high otherwise it would have been knee. Either way I'm glad Jack wasn't planted.
On review of the video, I can't believe Livermore actually got up to remonstrate at Jack for "reacting".
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Another brilliant team performance, and great to see that maybe the squad is a bit stronger than we all think. If we do go out and buy anyone in January then it had to be a serious upgrade on what we have at the moment - not to jinx anything, but it really does feel now like there is a chance to get top 6-8. There are a lot of up and down teams in the league this year who can look world-beaters one week and rubbish the next, whereas we look like a consistent side now who will be tough for anyone to beat.
The only thing that annoyed me last night was the coverage of Hause's challenge on BT Sport. I know they have to find things to talk about, but this was a blatant example of the pundits being told to create a controversy where there wasn't one. There was absolutely no equivalence with Livermore's challenge - Livermore jumped off his feet with studs at knee-height, after the whistle had gone. Hause mistimed a tackle with both feet on the ground, and caught the players ankle and top of his boot. Slo-mo can make tackles look far more dangerous than the reality so play them at full speed - if you do then Hause's tackle is barely noticeable, whilst if anything Livermore's looks even worse.
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There was one against us last week that was similar to the Hause challenge wasn't there, ie a bit late at ankle height, that rightly only got a yellow. Completely different to Livermore's wild shin high lunge at Jack.
Shin? Only because Jacks leg was high otherwise it would have been knee. Either way I'm glad Jack was planted.
On review of the video, I can't believe Livermore actually got up to remonstrate at Jack for "reacting".
It didn't need a VAR review straight Red by Atkinson not yellow should have been awarded.
What was significant Livermore knew.
He looked up to which colour card it was when Atkinson reached for his pocket . He was already fearing it would be red.
I proclaimed pre match and match thread once line ups were made that Livermore or Gallagher would be sent off.
And said AEG to score cos we'll get a pen!
When essentially villa are playing a low level opposition, wba are very championship based ability, then fouls and penalties will be conceded so to me I fully expected seeing Livermore at least to be booked in the game as he's a limited brute who has got by on that good old effort and physical ability.
I've read this Livermore was selected by Southgate for England national team and was on stand by for world cup 2018.
These players don't impress me and Dean Smith and they need to be pushed out of top level English football .
Game has moved on from Livermore sort and he's lucky to have even been on same pitch as Jack Grealish in the first place.
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The difference between the Livermore sending off and the Hause challenge is that Hause's was at least a tackle, Livermore's wasn't a tackle, it was an assault.
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I was irrationally nervous at 1-0 with 15 to go, considering how dominant we were. Just hard to shake off the villa of recent years, who would of let a soft equaliser in against the run of play.
We were so dominant all over the field from start to end, it didn’t end up feeling like a derby. Everyone had a good game, and as has been said the wingers were impressive, but I thought McGinn, was superb.
The only disappointment is the decision to disallow Watkins goal. He wasn’t ahead of the defender even with all the stupid lines, he was level at worse, and unless the rules have completely changed, level is on side. He played well tonight, but you can see through his body language that he needs a goal now, positively he still keeps getting in good positions.
Great win though and we are looking so good.
After Watkins’ goal was chalked off, I thought nailed on they’ll hit us on the counter and fluke a goal, match ends 1-1. For previous iterations of the Villa, that would have been inevitable.
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I can't quite get my head around how 18 months ago we finished below them in the 2nd division table and tonight if looked like a 3rd round cup game against a 3rd division side.
How we've progressed in that 18 months is phenomenal.
Jammy vile f*ckers striking lucky with minted owners, innit.
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On Livermore and Hause I think the difference was height, the former made contact with his leg, latter with his foot. That's a big difference when it comes to the control of the tackle.
The Hause was similar to the challenge on Jack by Burnley thug so you can say that is consistent.
Livermore has both feet off the ground and that gets you sent off these days, he had already got away with 2 fouls on Jack so you know what he was trying to do.
Yep, I agree, I knew there was a recent one on Jack that was similar but I couldn't remember if it was Burnley or Wolves.
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Well, on this wet and dingy Monday morning I am up, I'm showered, I'm dressed and I still feel as good as I did yesterday evening.
We may not have been ruthless last night, but boy we were relentless, right from the off, and I loved that after our third goal our instincts were to go all out for a fourth, in what little remained of the game.
One of my favourite moments came just after the game, as the teams were leaving the pitch, and the cameras panned right in to Callum Robinson having a good old laugh with Jack Grealish. How the Baggies fans will have loved seeing that beamed into their living rooms!
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The difference between the Livermore sending off and the Hause challenge is that Hause's was at least a tackle, Livermore's wasn't a tackle, it was an assault.
Exactly. He lunged in two-footed and went over the ball. He could have snapped his leg in half. Hause's was a mistimed tackle. It deserved a yellow, but nothing more than that. Livermore's was a red all day long.
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On Livermore and Hause I think the difference was height, the former made contact with his leg, latter with his foot. That's a big difference when it comes to the control of the tackle.
The Hause was similar to the challenge on Jack by Burnley thug so you can say that is consistent.
Livermore has both feet off the ground and that gets you sent off these days, he had already got away with 2 fouls on Jack so you know what he was trying to do.
Yep, I agree, I knew there was a recent one on Jack that was similar but I couldn't remember if it was Burnley or Wolves.
Robbie Brady. Same challenge. Booking probably about right even if I was baying for a red. Even so one of these tackles does remind me of that clobber Martin Taylor against that Arsenal player a few years back.
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It’s so good to see a Villa team playing with such confidence and togetherness. Good performances throughout the team and although it took us a while to get the second the score line could easily have been 6-0. I absolutely loved Traore’s goal and the nonchalant way he finished with the keeper flat footed.
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Livermore literally was trying to cause him serious injury. I have no doubts in my mind. He was snarling. Very bad behaviour from a pro towards another.
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It’s so good to see a Villa team playing with such confidence and togetherness. Good performances throughout the team and although it took us a while to get the second the score line could easily have been 6-0. I absolutely loved Traore’s goal and the nonchalant way he finished with the keeper flat footed.
The McGinn header should've been the 2nd, that was a brilliant chance and I agree 6-0 wouldn't have flattered us, it was one of the most one-sided games I've ever seen.
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There was one against us last week that was similar to the Hause challenge wasn't there, ie a bit late at ankle height, that rightly only got a yellow. Completely different to Livermore's wild shin-high lunge at Jack.
The difference being was the Hause challenge was a mistimed takle. Livermore was out to inflict injury.
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I can't quite get my head around how 18 months ago we finished below them in the 2nd division table and tonight if looked like a 3rd round cup game against a 3rd division side.
How we've progressed in that 18 months is phenomenal.
Jammy vile f*ckers striking lucky with minted owners, innit.
"Yup fucking 2 billionaires pumping upwards of 3.5 billion pounds into their transfer coffers whereas our net spending over the same period is minus £300 million."
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He was trying to put him out of the game alright. very bad tackle.
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Livermore literally was trying to cause him serious injury. I have no doubts in my mind. He was snarling. Very bad behaviour from a pro towards another.
It was a dreadful challenge. Whistle had gone, he knew exactly what he was doing. He had hardly had a kick and lined up Grealish to exact retribution. Thankfully he didn't get Grealish's shin and instead got the side of his calf. Should have been a stonewall red card in real time. Disappointed a few of our players didn't charge in straight away and put the ref under pressure. At least VAR did his job and now Livermore likely losing their captaincy as a result.
Hause's one wasn't as bad but still gave the ref(s) a decision to make. Tackled with his wrong foot and got nowhere near the ball. The only thing that might have saved him was by the time he made contact it was more his foot than ankle. Similar to Robbie Brady's one against us earlier in the week.
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Well, on this wet and dingy Monday morning I am up, I'm showered, I'm dressed and I still feel as good as I did yesterday evening.
Your birthday today LL?
But seriously it may be winter outside but................. :D
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He was trying to put him out of the game alright. very bad tackle.
Yes it could have been another addition to their long list of assaults.
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He was trying to put him out of the game alright. very bad tackle.
Yes it could have been another addition to their long list of assaults.
They just dont like it up em do they
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It’s so good to see a Villa team playing with such confidence and togetherness. Good performances throughout the team and although it took us a while to get the second the score line could easily have been 6-0. I absolutely loved Traore’s goal and the nonchalant way he finished with the keeper flat footed.
It showed some intellience, that not just to blast it.
Hause could have got sent off so I think we got a bit lucky. It obviously not nasty or rash like Livermore, but another time he could have seen red.
But Watkins, like many other players have been seen goals wiped off because of the thin lines.
And we need to be more clinical with the possession. A shot could go in, if the foot hits the ball an inch to the left etc. Another thin line.
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Just watched MOTD 2 who didn't even discuss the disallowed goal - I guess we won so easily but at the time that could have changed the game. Also pleased to see that although Jack went down there was more than enough of a shove in the back and we have seen in recent weeks the cost of trying to stay upright. Overall a good performance and win and with a real chance to build something.
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It’s becoming a theme this season that most, but not all teams, try to kick us off the park.
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Excellent performance.
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Great win, great performance. Next
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Got to love the bitterness.
The gamesmanship from the Villa team was just plain sad to watch. Kicking balls away, going down under minimal contact, feigning injury - this is not the spot I fell in love with as a child. Which brings me on to Grealish...
...I have never denied that he is a talented lad as he quite clearly is. But my oh my, what an absolute **** this man is. He has cheated against us multiple times in previous meetings and he just couldn't help himself tonight, could he? There he was, galloping in to a dangerous, possibly goal-scoring opportunity when he decides to fling himself to ground under minimal contact. The fact that it wasn't even seen as a contentious decision is beyond my comprehension. Shame on all those who tolerate this state of affairs.
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Can we stop with the 'Hause could've seen red' it wasn't a red card and would've been incredibly harsh had he got one. It was slightly late and meant he caught the player on the top of his boot but there was nothing overly aggressive or out of control about it. Read the laws, the description for a straight red could come with a gif of the Livermore tackle it was so clear (and poor from the ref to only give a yellow in real time) the Hause challenge was nowhere near the same severity.
When Villa fans are joining in with this it just fuels the "it ay' fair" bullshit from the baggies fans who are clinging to it rather than facing up to the fact that they were toyed with and brushed aside with ease.
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Got to love the bitterness.
The gamesmanship from the Villa team was just plain sad to watch. Kicking balls away, going down under minimal contact, feigning injury - this is not the spot I fell in love with as a child. Which brings me on to Grealish...
...I have never denied that he is a talented lad as he quite clearly is. But my oh my, what an absolute **** this man is. He has cheated against us multiple times in previous meetings and he just couldn't help himself tonight, could he? There he was, galloping in to a dangerous, possibly goal-scoring opportunity when he decides to fling himself to ground under minimal contact. The fact that it wasn't even seen as a contentious decision is beyond my comprehension. Shame on all those who tolerate this state of affairs.
I've heard this for years in the pub, this holier than thou is bollocks. It's a Wengerism. Agin you it's an issue killing the game, for you? abject silence.
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Got to love the bitterness.
The gamesmanship from the Villa team was just plain sad to watch. Kicking balls away, going down under minimal contact, feigning injury - this is not the spot I fell in love with as a child. Which brings me on to Grealish...
...I have never denied that he is a talented lad as he quite clearly is. But my oh my, what an absolute **** this man is. He has cheated against us multiple times in previous meetings and he just couldn't help himself tonight, could he? There he was, galloping in to a dangerous, possibly goal-scoring opportunity when he decides to fling himself to ground under minimal contact. The fact that it wasn't even seen as a contentious decision is beyond my comprehension. Shame on all those who tolerate this state of affairs.
Brilliant, the more he gets under the skin of opposition fans the better.
We all know (and they know we know) that if he played for them they would be spouting the exact opposite.
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Good to see the mythical NMB somehow made them even shitter than in their previous game!
And if anybody's at a loose end, there's a rerun on BT at noon.
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Good to see the mythical NMB somehow made them even shitter than in their previous game!
And if anybody's at a loose end, there's a rerun on BT at noon.
They did benefit from the NMB. We’d have hit double figures without it. Jammy Baggies.
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Absolutely destroyed them. We are in a different league to them now. They will enjoy next season, back in the Championship, bullying the Rotherhams of this world. Livermore will deserve his 3 match ban, shin high, lunging, two footed attempt to take a player out after the whilst had gone. He was out to put a marker down and injure the King. They knew they couldn't compete with a player of his class and he would run the game. Hause's tackle was mistimed, one foot, and caught his boot. If it had been a red card I would have been absolutely livid and it would just have been the ref levelling it up. Fully undeserved.
Anyway, I hope they take the Rags route of excuses about luck and decisions. It's what keeps them in the mire and always will do. The ''it ain't fair'' attitude.
They were shit. Thoroughly outplayed, looked outclassed and will go down. What makes it even better is they're going to do it Fat Sam style, defending, shit housing, time-wasting and keeping it tight. A relegation by a thousand long balls. Brilliant.
Fuck the Albion, week in and week out.
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Got to love the bitterness.
The gamesmanship from the Villa team was just plain sad to watch. Kicking balls away, going down under minimal contact, feigning injury - this is not the spot I fell in love with as a child. Which brings me on to Grealish...
...I have never denied that he is a talented lad as he quite clearly is. But my oh my, what an absolute **** this man is. He has cheated against us multiple times in previous meetings and he just couldn't help himself tonight, could he? There he was, galloping in to a dangerous, possibly goal-scoring opportunity when he decides to fling himself to ground under minimal contact. The fact that it wasn't even seen as a contentious decision is beyond my comprehension. Shame on all those who tolerate this state of affairs.
When you've held yourselves up as paragons of virtue throughout your existence, and when you've had a compliant media saying what a lovely club you are, it's no wonder that you see yourselves as beyond reproach and your enemies as beyond the pale.
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Full rerun of the match starting on BT Sport now.
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They should be grateful they were so lucky yesterday. Lucky we didn’t smash them for double figures.
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For such a team of white knights haven't they had a man sent off against us three games in a row for abysmal tackles. Scored a goal with their hands and were the only club I can remember in the last couple of years having a player banned for diving?
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Spawny bastards are only in the division because Brentford absolutely shit the bed. They won't be here for long.
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Absolutely destroyed them. We are in a different league to them now. They will enjoy next season, back in the Championship, bullying the Rotherhams of this world. Livermore will deserve his 3 match ban, shin high, lunging, two footed attempt to take a player out after the whilst had gone. He was out to put a marker down and injure the King. They knew they couldn't compete with a player of his class and he would run the game. Hause's tackle was mistimed, one foot, and caught his boot. If it had been a red card I would have been absolutely livid and it would just have been the ref levelling it up. Fully undeserved.
Anyway, I hope they take the Rags route of excuses about luck and decisions. It's what keeps them in the mire and always will do. The ''it ain't fair'' attitude.
They were shit. Thoroughly outplayed, looked outclassed and will go down. What makes it even better is they're going to do it Fat Sam style, defending, shit housing, time-wasting and keeping it tight. A relegation by a thousand long balls. Brilliant.
Fuck the Albion, week in and week out.
Just spoke to my Albion supporting mate. Your first paragraph is basically what he thought. The most disappointing thing for him was the realisation that they were way below us now in every position of the pitch. I imagine he’s thinking what a lot of their fans are thinking.
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Can we stop with the 'Hause could've seen red' it wasn't a red card and would've been incredibly harsh had he got one. It was slightly late and meant he caught the player on the top of his boot but there was nothing overly aggressive or out of control about it. Read the laws, the description for a straight red could come with a gif of the Livermore tackle it was so clear (and poor from the ref to only give a yellow in real time) the Hause challenge was nowhere near the same severity.
When Villa fans are joining in with this it just fuels the "it ay' fair" bullshit from the baggies fans who are clinging to it rather than facing up to the fact that they were toyed with and brushed aside with ease.
Absolutely right, the Hause challenge was a legitimate and safe attempt to win the ball that was mistimed. That Bogeye twat's challenge was an out of control attempt to break Grealish's leg - there is absolutely no comparison between the two.
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If an Albion player had done the Hause tackle I'd have been irate if it hadn't have been a red card. He could very easily have gone. His studs are on the Baggies player's ankle. Loads of players have been sent off for that.
I think we would still have won, though. And it makes up a bit for Mee not being sent off (or even booked!) in the Burnley game.
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If an Albion player had done the Hause tackle I'd have been irate if it hadn't have been a red card. He could very easily have gone. His studs are on the Baggies player's ankle. Loads of players have been sent off for that.
I think we would still have won, though. And it makes up a bit for Mee not being sent off (or even booked!) in the Burnley game.
it really isn't on his ankle, it's the top of his foot, the precedent is, as a few people have now said, the Robbie Brady one from in the week which was similar in that it started quite high but the contact was on the boot. At the time I thought Brady was a bit lucky but watching it back later I think it was the right call and I'd say the same about Hause. VAR did look at the Hause one and didn't feel there was any need for the ref to review it (in a game where they'd just had him change a decision from yellow to red) which shows a straight red would've been harsh.
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Got to love the bitterness.
The gamesmanship from the Villa team was just plain sad to watch. Kicking balls away, going down under minimal contact, feigning injury - this is not the spot I fell in love with as a child. Which brings me on to Grealish...
...I have never denied that he is a talented lad as he quite clearly is. But my oh my, what an absolute **** this man is. He has cheated against us multiple times in previous meetings and he just couldn't help himself tonight, could he? There he was, galloping in to a dangerous, possibly goal-scoring opportunity when he decides to fling himself to ground under minimal contact. The fact that it wasn't even seen as a contentious decision is beyond my comprehension. Shame on all those who tolerate this state of affairs.
He's a genuine master of a footballing basic; keep your body between the ball and opponent. His close control means means he will never be dispossessed by a player behind him, and it gives him the freedom to ignore them and concentrate on what's now in front of him, travelling in whatever direction or at whatever speed takes his fancy. If you are behind him and you impede him, it is a foul.
Sums them up that salty wankers like this would rather love some game dominated by the likes of Livermore than Grealish.
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Didn't even gloat to my Baggie supporting neighbour post match. They're not even worthy of the attention. ;)
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Thought this was funny.... Mickey Mouse sponsor to go with a Mickey Mouse club! ;D
(https://i.ibb.co/41RjZ5d/sam.jpg) (https://ibb.co/41RjZ5d)
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I quite liked this on one of their forums as I see it as a positive change which the big clubs have been doing for years:
"Yep. Villa were bickering and complaining about almost every corner, throw-in or free-kick that didn't go there way. Mings in particular regularly running away with the ball when the opposition have a throw or free kick to allow his team get back into a defensive shape. Big shouts whenever they go down. And not just yesterday. Seems to be a feature since at least Smith came in. Seems to be working for them.
Whereas we seemed very mute in comparison and if a throw doesn't go our way we just throw our hands up apologetically. As mentioned Diangana, didn't seem to make much of a deal with his ankle stamped on in comparison to the loud vociferous scream that Grealish let out when Livermore went into him.
Seems to help give Villa another edge over us and set part of their stall out for the game; although in fairness they had comprehensively outplayed us in every other facet as well."
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Richard Keys blithering on about Hause not being sent off, a moot point but he kept bringing it up the fat Coventry nonce.
Keys claiming no evidence that Livermore tackle was bad, but describing Hause as "vile"
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Thought this was funny.... Mickey Mouse sponsor to go with a Mickey Mouse club! ;D
(https://i.ibb.co/41RjZ5d/sam.jpg) (https://ibb.co/41RjZ5d)
The boilers I have seen from Sandwell have been far from Ideal.
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Anyway, I hope they take the Rags route of excuses about luck and decisions. It's what keeps them in the mire and always will do. The ''it ain't fair'' attitude.
Always makes me laugh to listen to the WM radio phone-in when we've beaten Blues or Albion. It starts off on the Monday with "we might have won had we taken out chances / not had a man sent off / if Villa had had someone sent off", then as the week progresses that becomes "we definitely would have won ..." and by the end of the week they have almost convinced themselves that they did win and that our win didn't really count anyway.
It is always accompanied by some kind of victory, whether it be moral or otherwise. Think this time round it will be the Hause challenge and "it would have been a very different game" if it had been a red.
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We are playing very well now for a number of weeks.
Martinez 7, Cash 7, Hause 7, Mings 7, Targett 7, Luiz 8, McGinn 7, Traore 9, AEG 8, Jack 9, Watkins 6
Had to chuckle at this. You're usually a hard marker but give Traore a 9! I guess a cheeky goal and an assist covers a multitude of sins (underhit passes, failure to beat a defender on his right at any time etc.) ;D
Absolutely ! His right foot is definitely for standing on only alright , falling over in their box when trying to shoot with his right foot was quite funny. Thought his set piece delivery was decent, excellent first half and assist, brilliant clinching goal.
I wouldn't go OTT about our performance generally. West Brom were abject, worse than Fulham in the second game even with 11. Much stiffer tests ahead.
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Martinez - Has anyone woke him up yet and told him the game was over? - 0/10 useless did not make one decent save ;)
Cash - must have 3 lungs - love this guy to bits - and to think some thought we over paid - superb cross for the Watkins goal - 8.5 / 10
Mings - Imperious best and no Mings cock up tonight - 8/10
Hause - Worries me he is naturally out of position but good enough till Konsa back - unlucky with header - 7/10
Targett - Boy has this guy manned up since last season - throws everything into challenges and is a big part of our attack formation - 8/10
Luiz - Really has found his position - wish he would find his shooting boots - 8/10
McGinn - sometimes sloppy, sometimes brilliant - he is what he is and we will live with it - needs to also find shooting boots - 8/10
Jack - His pace from standing still catches everyone out - top defenders as well as the carthorses - nothing else to say - 10/10 MOTM (and probably every match)
El Ghazhi - played like a man on a mission to purge the demons of all those misses against Burnley - sometimes acts like a Ronaldo fan boy but does have skill and great application - 1 great goal and cool penalty - 9/10
Watkins - works his nads off and goals will come for him - his first year in the premiership and certainly does not look out of place - might fair better against better defenders rather than some of the cloggers - 7.5 / 10
Traore - great skill and great application - these skilful players can be frustrating as they will try things that dont always come off - but when they do, like his filthy goal, it is worth it - great game and if King Jack not playing easily MOTM - 9.5 /10
Dean Smith - calm, educated, rational whilst all the time learning to manage at this level - he is light years away from dinosaurs like Bruce and Alladyce - 9.75 / 10
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I approve this messge
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Fuck the Albion. Well done Villa. Merry Christmas everyone 🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂
I think this is the valedictory message of tonight, really.
Thanks, CD.
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Martinez - Has anyone woke him up yet and told him the game was over? - 0/10 useless did not make one decent save ;)
Cash - must have 3 lungs - love this guy to bits - and to think some thought we over paid - superb cross for the Watkins goal - 8.5 / 10
Mings - Imperious best and no Mings cock up tonight - 8/10
Hause - Worries me he is naturally out of position but good enough till Konsa back - unlucky with header - 7/10
Targett - Boy has this guy manned up since last season - throws everything into challenges and is a big part of our attack formation - 8/10
Luiz - Really has found his position - wish he would find his shooting boots - 8/10
McGinn - sometimes sloppy, sometimes brilliant - he is what he is and we will live with it - needs to also find shooting boots - 8/10
Jack - His pace from standing still catches everyone out - top defenders as well as the carthorses - nothing else to say - 10/10 MOTM (and probably every match)
El Ghazhi - played like a man on a mission to purge the demons of all those misses against Burnley - sometimes acts like a Ronaldo fan boy but does have skill and great application - 1 great goal and cool penalty - 9/10
Watkins - works his nads off and goals will come for him - his first year in the premiership and certainly does not look out of place - might fair better against better defenders rather than some of the cloggers - 7.5 / 10
Traore - great skill and great application - these skilful players can be frustrating as they will try things that dont always come off - but when they do, like his filthy goal, it is worth it - great game and if King Jack not playing easily MOTM - 9.5 /10
Dean Smith - calm, educated, rational whilst all the time learning to manage at this level - he is light years away from dinosaurs like Bruce and Alladyce - 9.75 / 10
Traore A’s filthy goal, love it!!
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100% agree with your marking Hookey
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Didn't even gloat to my Baggie supporting neighbour post match. They're not even worthy of the attention. ;)
Yup - don't even bother with my close mates who support the Rags - worse for them as
a) they are waiting for the gloat to torment them further.
b) when it doesn't come it means their Shteclub aren't even worth the ink
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Got to love the bitterness.
The gamesmanship from the Villa team was just plain sad to watch. Kicking balls away, going down under minimal contact, feigning injury - this is not the spot I fell in love with as a child. Which brings me on to Grealish...
...I have never denied that he is a talented lad as he quite clearly is. But my oh my, what an absolute **** this man is. He has cheated against us multiple times in previous meetings and he just couldn't help himself tonight, could he? There he was, galloping in to a dangerous, possibly goal-scoring opportunity when he decides to fling himself to ground under minimal contact. The fact that it wasn't even seen as a contentious decision is beyond my comprehension. Shame on all those who tolerate this state of affairs.
I've heard this for years in the pub, this holier than thou is bollocks. It's a Wengerism. Agin you it's an issue killing the game, for you? abject silence.
Anyone remember their take when Rodriguez decided to play Basketball twice for their goal a couple of years ago. I'm just glad they don't have him or Long anymore, the players who only seem to raise their game against us.
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I was irrationally nervous at 1-0 with 15 to go, considering how dominant we were. Just hard to shake off the villa of recent years, who would of let a soft equaliser in against the run of play.
We were so dominant all over the field from start to end, it didn’t end up feeling like a derby. Everyone had a good game, and as has been said the wingers were impressive, but I thought McGinn, was superb.
The only disappointment is the decision to disallow Watkins goal. He wasn’t ahead of the defender even with all the stupid lines, he was level at worse, and unless the rules have completely changed, level is on side. He played well tonight, but you can see through his body language that he needs a goal now, positively he still keeps getting in good positions.
Great win though and we are looking so good.
I was nervous too but it’s because the two commentators were talking them up. It was starting to irritate me up to the second goal. Totally agree with the “offside” too even with the lines he looked onside
Talking them up to keep neutrals tuned in.
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Got to love the bitterness.
The gamesmanship from the Villa team was just plain sad to watch. Kicking balls away, going down under minimal contact, feigning injury - this is not the spot I fell in love with as a child. Which brings me on to Grealish...
...I have never denied that he is a talented lad as he quite clearly is. But my oh my, what an absolute **** this man is. He has cheated against us multiple times in previous meetings and he just couldn't help himself tonight, could he? There he was, galloping in to a dangerous, possibly goal-scoring opportunity when he decides to fling himself to ground under minimal contact. The fact that it wasn't even seen as a contentious decision is beyond my comprehension. Shame on all those who tolerate this state of affairs.
Brilliant, the more he gets under the skin of opposition fans the better.
We all know (and they know we know) that if he played for them they would be spouting the exact opposite.
Agree - he is sort of like Cantona in that respect. The more people rail about him the more he winds them up and helps galvanise the team further. Obviously Cantona was a total thug to boot.
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Got to love the bitterness.
The gamesmanship from the Villa team was just plain sad to watch. Kicking balls away, going down under minimal contact, feigning injury - this is not the spot I fell in love with as a child. Which brings me on to Grealish...
...I have never denied that he is a talented lad as he quite clearly is. But my oh my, what an absolute **** this man is. He has cheated against us multiple times in previous meetings and he just couldn't help himself tonight, could he? There he was, galloping in to a dangerous, possibly goal-scoring opportunity when he decides to fling himself to ground under minimal contact. The fact that it wasn't even seen as a contentious decision is beyond my comprehension. Shame on all those who tolerate this state of affairs.
He's a genuine master of a footballing basic; keep your body between the ball and opponent. His close control means means he will never be dispossessed by a player behind him, and it gives him the freedom to ignore them and concentrate on what's now in front of him, travelling in whatever direction or at whatever speed takes his fancy. If you are behind him and you impede him, it is a foul.
Sums them up that salty wankers like this would rather love some game dominated by the likes of Livermore than Grealish.
Correct - excellent touch and spatial awareness and protection of the globe. He is one of those players who knows when to expect the inevitable foul.
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Cash - must have 3 lungs - love this guy to bits - and to think some thought we over paid - superb cross for the Watkins goal - 8.5 / 10
Has settled in well considering it his first season in the top flight and only his second playing right-back. Can see him developing into a very accomplished full-back.
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Anyone got a clip of the Hause challenge? Missed that one.
Genuinely thought he went for the ball with his studs, was a bit late and caught the Albion player instead. I personally wasn't sure about Livermore's being upgraded to red, though it did look particularly bad from the one angle.
Livermore's was reckless lunge; Hause's was a mistimed tackle.
I thought Livermore's was a nailed on red. Hause's wasn't quite as bad but I still think he was lucky not to see red too.
I’d agree with this. Livermore was in the air when he held his leg and kicked out. Hause was clumsy, but a red wouldn’t have been a cause to complain myself. We got a little lucky I think, a different VAR referee and it could be different. Anyway, a hugely satisfying result and performance.
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This is awesome. Love these videos
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1341030161228177409?s=21
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I quite liked this on one of their forums as I see it as a positive change which the big clubs have been doing for years:
"Yep. Villa were bickering and complaining about almost every corner, throw-in or free-kick that didn't go there way. Mings in particular regularly running away with the ball when the opposition have a throw or free kick to allow his team get back into a defensive shape. Big shouts whenever they go down. And not just yesterday. Seems to be a feature since at least Smith came in. Seems to be working for them.
Whereas we seemed very mute in comparison and if a throw doesn't go our way we just throw our hands up apologetically. As mentioned Diangana, didn't seem to make much of a deal with his ankle stamped on in comparison to the loud vociferous scream that Grealish let out when Livermore went into him.
Seems to help give Villa another edge over us and set part of their stall out for the game; although in fairness they had comprehensively outplayed us in every other facet as well."
It is called being streetwise and I am glad we are whereas in the past we haven't been.
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"It ay fair Tone"
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I quite liked this on one of their forums as I see it as a positive change which the big clubs have been doing for years:
"Yep. Villa were bickering and complaining about almost every corner, throw-in or free-kick that didn't go there way. Mings in particular regularly running away with the ball when the opposition have a throw or free kick to allow his team get back into a defensive shape. Big shouts whenever they go down. And not just yesterday. Seems to be a feature since at least Smith came in. Seems to be working for them.
Whereas we seemed very mute in comparison and if a throw doesn't go our way we just throw our hands up apologetically. As mentioned Diangana, didn't seem to make much of a deal with his ankle stamped on in comparison to the loud vociferous scream that Grealish let out when Livermore went into him.
Seems to help give Villa another edge over us and set part of their stall out for the game; although in fairness they had comprehensively outplayed us in every other facet as well."
It is called being streetwise and I am glad we are whereas in the past we haven't been.
Absolutely.
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Got to love the bitterness.
The gamesmanship from the Villa team was just plain sad to watch. Kicking balls away, going down under minimal contact, feigning injury - this is not the spot I fell in love with as a child. Which brings me on to Grealish...
...I have never denied that he is a talented lad as he quite clearly is. But my oh my, what an absolute **** this man is. He has cheated against us multiple times in previous meetings and he just couldn't help himself tonight, could he? There he was, galloping in to a dangerous, possibly goal-scoring opportunity when he decides to fling himself to ground under minimal contact. The fact that it wasn't even seen as a contentious decision is beyond my comprehension. Shame on all those who tolerate this state of affairs.
Cheat?
The Rodriguez handball goal was cheating They have selective memories
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I quite liked this on one of their forums as I see it as a positive change which the big clubs have been doing for years:
"Yep. Villa were bickering and complaining about almost every corner, throw-in or free-kick that didn't go there way. Mings in particular regularly running away with the ball when the opposition have a throw or free kick to allow his team get back into a defensive shape. Big shouts whenever they go down. And not just yesterday. Seems to be a feature since at least Smith came in. Seems to be working for them.
Whereas we seemed very mute in comparison and if a throw doesn't go our way we just throw our hands up apologetically. As mentioned Diangana, didn't seem to make much of a deal with his ankle stamped on in comparison to the loud vociferous scream that Grealish let out when Livermore went into him.
Seems to help give Villa another edge over us and set part of their stall out for the game; although in fairness they had comprehensively outplayed us in every other facet as well."
John Terry was a master of this as a player. Whether you like it or not all the best teams do it. Think Man U during the Fergie reign
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Got to love the bitterness.
The gamesmanship from the Villa team was just plain sad to watch. Kicking balls away, going down under minimal contact, feigning injury - this is not the spot I fell in love with as a child. Which brings me on to Grealish...
...I have never denied that he is a talented lad as he quite clearly is. But my oh my, what an absolute **** this man is. He has cheated against us multiple times in previous meetings and he just couldn't help himself tonight, could he? There he was, galloping in to a dangerous, possibly goal-scoring opportunity when he decides to fling himself to ground under minimal contact. The fact that it wasn't even seen as a contentious decision is beyond my comprehension. Shame on all those who tolerate this state of affairs.
Cheat?
The Rodriguez handball goal was cheating They have selective memories
That's right. But I think fans of all clubs are guilty of that.
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Got to love the bitterness.
The gamesmanship from the Villa team was just plain sad to watch. Kicking balls away, going down under minimal contact, feigning injury - this is not the spot I fell in love with as a child. Which brings me on to Grealish...
...I have never denied that he is a talented lad as he quite clearly is. But my oh my, what an absolute **** this man is. He has cheated against us multiple times in previous meetings and he just couldn't help himself tonight, could he? There he was, galloping in to a dangerous, possibly goal-scoring opportunity when he decides to fling himself to ground under minimal contact. The fact that it wasn't even seen as a contentious decision is beyond my comprehension. Shame on all those who tolerate this state of affairs.
Cheat?
The Rodriguez handball goal was cheating They have selective memories
I still think Rodriguez is the footballer I hate the most at the moment ( football sort of hate not nasty actual burning hatred)
it used to be for many years that gurning twat who scored for Man Utd in the last minute at OT i despised him for years even though he did fuck all after that
for my little Lad it’s Patrick Bamford
for my big Lad it was Dietmar Hamann ( never worked out why)
It’s ridiculous really
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I'm with e junior, Bamford for me as well. A really smackable face, and the biggest cheat in the Premier League.
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I'm with e junior, Bamford for me as well. A really smackable face, and the biggest cheat in the Premier League.
And a privileged posh twat.
Anyone know of any other non-working class British footballers?
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I'm with e junior, Bamford for me as well. A really smackable face, and the biggest cheat in the Premier League.
And a privileged posh twat.
Anyone know of any other non-working class British footballers?
Robert Hopkins was underclass. Does that count?
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I'm with e junior, Bamford for me as well. A really smackable face, and the biggest cheat in the Premier League.
And a privileged posh twat.
Anyone know of any other non-working class British footballers?
Robert Hopkins was underclass. Does that count?
I suppose so. Bully as well.
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I'm with e junior, Bamford for me as well. A really smackable face, and the biggest cheat in the Premier League.
And a privileged posh twat.
Anyone know of any other non-working class British footballers?
Being privileged and posh is not his fault being a cheating ****** is.
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I'm with e junior, Bamford for me as well. A really smackable face, and the biggest cheat in the Premier League.
Have to agree with Junior and Risso.
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I'm with e junior, Bamford for me as well. A really smackable face, and the biggest cheat in the Premier League.
And a privileged posh twat.
Anyone know of any other non-working class British footballers?
Funny really considering all premier league players are multi millionaires now, but there is something in the fact that Bamford was born with a huge silver spoon in his mouth, that makes the cheating smug twat just naturally more unlikeable.
I suppose the last vestiges of clinging onto the idea of football being a fundamentally working class sport, despite all the evidence against this concept. Given all that it still feels like Bamford has infiltrated our game, when he should be on a rugger field somewhere.
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I don't have a problem with Bamford's background and he actually speaks pretty candidly after games, which is quite refreshing, but when he's on the pitch he is an absolute, detestable shithouse.
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If Bamford is going to be judged by his alma mater, worth noting that Frank Lampard went to the independent fee-paying Brentwood School.
For future reference, a friend of mine teaches at Manchester Grammar Junior School. A couple of years ago she had Wayne Rooney's son, Kai, in her class. He's just joined the academy at Old Trafford.
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Didn’t Mings go to Millfield?
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It's been said plenty of times already, and I don't know why the media line is Hause should have gone too. His was a clumsy tackle, he may have made contact with his studs, but they were always parallel with the ground, it's hard to call that dangerous - the stationary body check that came with it made it look much more thumping than it was too, the actual contact with the foot/ankle was pretty feathered relative to it. Livermore lunged with no anchoring foot, studs perpendicular to the ground rather than stretching with a pointed toe so Jack's situational awareness and ability to slow down as quickly as he can speed up is the only thing that saved him from Livermore going straight through him.
We've watched Jack have the shit kicked out of him for years looking like a masochist because he would only go down if it was some Kobra-Kai-sweep-the-leg shit and he wouldn't get awarded anything. Referees don't pay fouls unless they see them and you won't be remembered after your career for a trophy cabinet full of dust and moral victories. He has his moral victories from sticking with his boyhood club through the dark hours and being the talisman that is not only bringing us back from the wilderness but helping to actually build an onfield spirit/identity/culture which is what you really need to be a noticed club in world football. Even when we've been a good team we've struggled connecting our off field history & identity with what we put out on the pitch - at least in a marketable way.
I've turned into a cow the way I enjoy the salt-lick from the tears of other midlands clubs. We've a homegrown fan, brought through the ranks to be a genuine world-class player and he hasn't cut and run for a so-called bigger club. Be salty you Baggies bitches, I'll be licking it up and mooing - still I'm also fickle and disappointed we didn't do you by 6!
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I'm with e junior, Bamford for me as well. A really smackable face,
For me it's Harry Kane followed by James Maddison.
But they're still no where near the level of Drew Pritchard, definitely the most smug, smackable face on my TV screen.
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Who?
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Related to Andrew Greaves.
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Didn’t Mings go to Millfield?
He won a sixth-form scholarship I think.
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Didn’t Mings go to Millfield?
He won a sixth-form scholarship I think.
Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrone_Mings)
Mings was born in Bath, Avon[5] to former non-League striker Adie Mings. Mings joined Southampton in 2001 as an eight-year-old, but was released in 2009 when the youth budget was axed.[6] After leaving Southampton, he attended Millfield school in Somerset for two years on a football scholarship. After leaving school, Mings signed for non-League club Yate Town in Gloucestershire. In the summer of 2012, he considered quitting football before eventually signing for Southern League Premier Division club Chippenham Town.[7] Mings combined his non-League career with jobs as a barman and a mortgage advisor
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This is awesome. Love these videos
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1341030161228177409?s=21
When Traore scored, I was expecting VAR to look at Jack's control of the ball before he passed it, and for the goal to be ruled out. Watching it again from this angle, it looked a lot like arm...
Also, AEG could have had 5 himself.
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This is awesome. Love these videos
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1341030161228177409?s=21
When Traore scored, I was expecting VAR to look at Jack's control of the ball before he passed it, and for the goal to be ruled out. Watching it again from this angle, it looked a lot like arm...
Also, AEG could have had 5 himself.
I am surprised they didn't look at that again. Maybe one of those that hots breastbone/shoulder
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Came off his chest. Just looked odd as he was mid burst into sprint
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I don't know if it's been mentioned but the pass from Grealish to Traore with the outside of his foot whilst being closed down by two defenders was sublime.
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Came off his chest. Just looked odd as he was mid burst into sprint
Yep, I thought handball on first viewing from one angle and on rewatch realised it was his chest and just a perception issue. I'm pretty sure VAR would have called it if it was though as close enough in the buildup to have it viewed and ruled out. (although that pre goal review time frame seems to be arbitrary as well.)
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Garth Crooks has said this:
What a pity Semi Ajayi couldn't repeat his performance for West Brom at Manchester City. I'm convinced that if the Baggies hadn't had Jake Livermore sent off, they would have got something out of this game.
I’m not paying my licence fee anymore
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He hates us. Must be because they could only draw the charity shield with us. Thanks to rock band Falco.
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Garth Crooks has said this:
What a pity Semi Ajayi couldn't repeat his performance for West Brom at Manchester City. I'm convinced that if the Baggies hadn't had Jake Livermore sent off, they would have got something out of this game.
I’m not paying my licence fee anymore
On what evidence does he base this on ? With 11 men they hadn’t had a kick
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Garth Crooks is a total knob
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Didn’t Mings go to Millfield?
Wearer of the recently retired No 22 shirt at B’lose went to Priory School Edgbaston.
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Kenny Cunningham wet to Priory School Edgbaston?!
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I'm with e junior, Bamford for me as well. A really smackable face, and the biggest cheat in the Premier League.
Perfumed ponce. How we let that numpty bag a hat trick against us is anyone's guess.
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Let's not forget big fat posh Ron and his
Oxbridge background.
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Garth Crooks has said this:
What a pity Semi Ajayi couldn't repeat his performance for West Brom at Manchester City. I'm convinced that if the Baggies hadn't had Jake Livermore sent off, they would have got something out of this game.
I’m not paying my licence fee anymore
Convinced it’s all part of the BFS love in. All the pre match build up was BFSs back, will he do another great escape, he’s only ever lost one first game in charge of a new club ra ra ra.
We played them off the park, it was close to being a training game we were that superior in every part of the field.
How do the BFS media love inners get to grips with this turn of events that simply wasn’t in their script. The sending off ahh, that must be it, BFS isn’t a dinasour whose tactics were destroyed by a better coach. It was the sending of, of that Neanderthal Livermore, who was no influence on the game whatsoever, that must be it, that last what changed the game, whatever!
Bringing on the next game, loving this villa team.
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Didn’t Mings go to Millfield?
He won a sixth-form scholarship I think.
Think Chelsea pay for the graduates to go a fee paying school. In fact, Bertrand Traore went to Whitgift I think.
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This is awesome. Love these videos
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1341030161228177409?s=21
When Traore scored, I was expecting VAR to look at Jack's control of the ball before he passed it, and for the goal to be ruled out. Watching it again from this angle, it looked a lot like arm...
Also, AEG could have had 5 himself.
I am surprised they didn't look at that again. Maybe one of those that hots breastbone/shoulder
Well there we have it, the full set of excuses for them.
First goal, offside and too early, doesn't count.
Livermore should never had been sent off.
Haus should have been sent off.
Second goal was hand ball in the build up.
Third goal was not a penalty, blatant dive.
Let's just call it 0-0 and forget about it.
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Garth Crooks has said this:
What a pity Semi Ajayi couldn't repeat his performance for West Brom at Manchester City. I'm convinced that if the Baggies hadn't had Jake Livermore sent off, they would have got something out of this game.
I’m not paying my licence fee anymore
Convinced that they would have got something out of a game they were already losing and being thoroughly outplayed. Makes sense.
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Seems like some people are getting ‘non-working class’ mixed up with ‘rich’.
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Seems like some people are getting ‘non-working class’ mixed up with ‘rich’.
Think I was a bit guilty of that in terms of conflating multi millionaire footballers, with Bamford, who has always been lord of the staffordshire manor relatively
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This is awesome. Love these videos
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1341030161228177409?s=21
When Traore scored, I was expecting VAR to look at Jack's control of the ball before he passed it, and for the goal to be ruled out. Watching it again from this angle, it looked a lot like arm...
Also, AEG could have had 5 himself.
I am surprised they didn't look at that again. Maybe one of those that hots breastbone/shoulder
Well there we have it, the full set of excuses for them.
First goal, offside and too early, doesn't count.
Livermore should never had been sent off.
Haus should have been sent off.
Second goal was hand ball in the build up.
Third goal was not a penalty, blatant dive.
Let's just call it 0-0 and forget about it.
I think you're understating it there. Surely there must be an excuse as to why it is technically a win for them.
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Did anyone else think of Alex Cropley when that thug put that tackle in on Jack?
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The tackle was horrendous,you could see him extend his leg with full force he knew what he meant to do. The dirty baggie scumbag, him and bfs should get along fine , pair of fucking Neanderthals
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For those who care, Baggies' xG was a mindblowingly shit 0.04.
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This is awesome. Love these videos
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1341030161228177409?s=21
When Traore scored, I was expecting VAR to look at Jack's control of the ball before he passed it, and for the goal to be ruled out. Watching it again from this angle, it looked a lot like arm...
Also, AEG could have had 5 himself.
I am surprised they didn't look at that again. Maybe one of those that hots breastbone/shoulder
Well there we have it, the full set of excuses for them.
First goal, offside and too early, doesn't count.
Livermore should never had been sent off.
Haus should have been sent off.
Second goal was hand ball in the build up.
Third goal was not a penalty, blatant dive.
Let's just call it 0-0 and forget about it.
I think you're understating it there. Surely there must be an excuse as to why it is technically a win for them.
It’s their net spend of £5m over three seasons versus our £250m ay it?
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Who?
The antiques dealer of Salvage Hunters. Looks like someone already slapped him.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/tv-star-drew-pritchard-attacked-13728613
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This is awesome. Love these videos
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1341030161228177409?s=21
When Traore scored, I was expecting VAR to look at Jack's control of the ball before he passed it, and for the goal to be ruled out. Watching it again from this angle, it looked a lot like arm...
Also, AEG could have had 5 himself.
I am surprised they didn't look at that again. Maybe one of those that hots breastbone/shoulder
Well there we have it, the full set of excuses for them.
First goal, offside and too early, doesn't count.
Livermore should never had been sent off.
Haus should have been sent off.
Second goal was hand ball in the build up.
Third goal was not a penalty, blatant dive.
Let's just call it 0-0 and forget about it.
I think you're understating it there. Surely there must be an excuse as to why it is technically a win for them.
It naturally follows that greasy, or whatever witty moniker they have for him, would have collected the two bookings he clearly deserved for repeatedly throwing himself to the floor, we'd have fallen to pieces without him, and they'd have then sliced through us with their legendary silky football, condemning us to the 3- or 4-nil defeat our dastardly display truly deserved.
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This is awesome. Love these videos
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1341030161228177409?s=21
When Traore scored, I was expecting VAR to look at Jack's control of the ball before he passed it, and for the goal to be ruled out. Watching it again from this angle, it looked a lot like arm...
Also, AEG could have had 5 himself.
I am surprised they didn't look at that again. Maybe one of those that hots breastbone/shoulder
Well there we have it, the full set of excuses for them.
First goal, offside and too early, doesn't count.
Livermore should never had been sent off.
Haus should have been sent off.
Second goal was hand ball in the build up.
Third goal was not a penalty, blatant dive.
Let's just call it 0-0 and forget about it.
I think you're understating it there. Surely there must be an excuse as to why it is technically a win for them.
It’s their net spend of £5m over three seasons versus our £250m ay it?
Them and the noses still don't seem to grasp why billionaire owners are attracted to Aston Villa and not their shit heaps.
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Garth Crooks has said this:
What a pity Semi Ajayi couldn't repeat his performance for West Brom at Manchester City. I'm convinced that if the Baggies hadn't had Jake Livermore sent off, they would have got something out of this game.
I’m not paying my licence fee anymore
There is absolutely no chance that is the full Garth Crooks quote. Crooks is a man who will never use two sentences if he has the opportunity to use twenty two sentences. I also dislike his annoying overly earnest manner.
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Did anyone else think of Alex Cropley when that thug put that tackle in on Jack?
Absolutely the first thing that came to mind, yes
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Did anyone else think of Alex Cropley when that thug put that tackle in on Jack?
Yes, I did. Also check out the brief highlights of the Milk Cup tie at the Hawthorns in 1983. Gary Owen wiping out Gary Williams on the touchline and Ken McNaught taking out Peter Withe from behind.
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For those who care, Baggies' xG was a mindblowingly shit 0.04.
That's outstanding if you think about it. If we played them 75 times, counted all their goals but only the ones we scored in the first 90 minutes ... they might've got 1 point out of it. That's every game bar 1, for 2 complete league seasons.
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For those who care, Baggies' xG was a mindblowingly shit 0.04.
That's outstanding if you think about it. If we played them 75 times, counted all their goals but only the ones we scored in the first 90 minutes ... they might've got 1 point out of it. That's every game bar 1, for 2 complete league seasons.
Just to add to this, we are still currently on target to end the season with a goal difference that is around 90 better than theirs.
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I quite liked this on one of their forums as I see it as a positive change which the big clubs have been doing for years:
"Yep. Villa were bickering and complaining about almost every corner, throw-in or free-kick that didn't go there way. Mings in particular regularly running away with the ball when the opposition have a throw or free kick to allow his team get back into a defensive shape. Big shouts whenever they go down. And not just yesterday. Seems to be a feature since at least Smith came in. Seems to be working for them.
Whereas we seemed very mute in comparison and if a throw doesn't go our way we just throw our hands up apologetically. As mentioned Diangana, didn't seem to make much of a deal with his ankle stamped on in comparison to the loud vociferous scream that Grealish let out when Livermore went into him.
Seems to help give Villa another edge over us and set part of their stall out for the game; although in fairness they had comprehensively outplayed us in every other facet as well."
It is called being streetwise and I am glad we are whereas in the past we haven't been.
Absolutely.
When I played in a good Sunday League side a couple of the lads played for Tamworth on Saturdays. Their constant "banter" with the ref was a joy to behold and an education in diplomatic influence. Making the assumption that every ball that went out of play was "ours" and being outraged when it wasn't, definitely pissed off their players, supporters and made the ref and linesmen think they'd got it wrong. The overall "minimal gains" were well worth it!
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Just been on the blower with my mate (not a Baggies fan) who insists there was nothing amiss with the tackle on Jack, while Hause's tackle was far worse and should have been a red card!!
This guy isn't your average pillock, btw, and has seen hundreds of games and his opinions are usually worth hearing.
We agreed to disagree!
I didn't have time to point out that by the time of the sending-off, Livermore had already had two other digs at Jack, without punishment.
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I also hated that Livermore added cheating to his crimes, by leaning over Grealish after the foul, as if jeering at him, as though JG had dived!!
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Just been on the blower with my mate (not a Baggies fan) who insists there was nothing amiss with the tackle on Jack, while Hause's tackle was far worse and should have been a red card!!
This guy isn't your average pillock, btw, and has seen hundreds of games and his opinions are usually worth hearing.
We agreed to disagree!
I didn't have time to point out that by the time of the sending-off, Livermore had already had two other digs at Jack, without punishment.
One was a lunge and one was a clumsy tread on the foot ?
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Agree absolutely, but I suppose different pairs of eyes see different things.