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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: SoccerHQ on February 14, 2016, 03:57:08 PM
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Please resign from the Premier league immediately. I've had enough. We are a disgrace on and off the pitch and have been for years.
Liverpool will go back to winning once in eight games.
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Game over man!
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Rubbish
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Just Fuck Off. Fuck Off right now.
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If it were a boxing match the towel would have been thrown in long ago.
A bit like us beating Derby 6 at their place.
The night is long and full of terror. That had nothing on 5 years being a villa fan
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That was quite cathartic
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Don't take your wages you utter clowns. Utterly disgraceful.
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It could be worse, in 35/36 we also lost 0-7 vs the Bitters, 2-7 vs Boro, 2-6 vs Grimsby, 5-0 vs Man City, 1-7 vs Arsenal, 5-1 vs Blackburn, 5-2 vs Sheff Wed.
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Remy won't walk, right?
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Just Fuck Off. Fuck Off right now.
I fucking hate that face
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To all Villa fans. Please boycott the club for the rest of the season and dont go to VP.This is the only way to make the hierarchy realise we arent standing for this shite anymore.
That was truly awful
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Left to rot by a bored, clueless fucking manchild the other side of the Atlantic.
Just abandoned to its fate.
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Not much else to say other than what has already been said in the match thread.
Fuck off, Villa.
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Carragher summed most of that up
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Boot. Human face. Forever.
No point in the fans making a fuss, though, because Randy really wants to sell but nobody is buying football clubs any more.
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Carragher has just said SSN that no other Premier League Manager would want a single player from Villa's Squad...I have said this all season... to a man not one of our players would get in an opposition eleven. Scandalous!
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I agree entirely with Henry and Carragher on Sky. We might not technically be the worst ever team in terms of points, but we certainly are in terms of talent, style and above all, attitude. It's that last one that I find inexcusable.
The players out there are living the dream, being paid millions to play football. They have no idea what I would give to trade places with them. And then they play like that. Again. I can't decide if I want to laugh, cry, or do something unspeakably violent.
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It's all about the manner of the defeat today.
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******.
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They looked like they did'nt care today
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Just Fuck Off. Fuck Off right now.
I fucking hate that face
To all Villa fans. Please boycott the club for the rest of the season and dont go to VP.This is the only way to make the hierarchy realise we arent standing for this shite anymore.
That was truly awful
I must agree. The restraint of Villa fans over the past three/four years has been truly astonishing. The final slap in the face from Lerner and his people was that January window - this result is entirely of that Boardroom's making.
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please start lyden now
We are down and I dont never want to see Bacuna in a Villa shirt again
thou I said that two games ago
but we might as well prepare for the likes of Burton and Walsall now
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I agree entirely with Henry and Carragher on Sky. We might not technically be the worst ever team in terms of points, but we certainly are in terms of talent, style and above all, attitude. It's that last one that I find inexcusable.
The players out there are living the dream, being paid millions to play football. They have no idea what I would give to trade places with them. And then they play like that. Again. I can't decide if I want to laugh, cry, or do something unspeakably violent.
Henry struggling to suppress laughter, and seeing Klopp giggling away has been the icing on the cake for me.
That was embarrassing.
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Saddening, feeble, embarrassing. And losing 6-0. To them.
Feeling very unhappy about Villa. What a fucking mess we've become.
An unprofessional performance. An unforgivable lack of effort. I hate these players.
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Just Fuck Off. Fuck Off right now.
I fucking hate that face
To all Villa fans. Please boycott the club for the rest of the season and dont go to VP.This is the only way to make the hierarchy realise we arent standing for this shite anymore.
That was truly awful
I must agree. The restraint of Villa fans over the past three/four years has been truly astonishing. The final slap in the face from Lerner and his people was that January window - this result is entirely of that Boardroom's making.
Sadly, I don't think it's restraint. It's apathy.
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Absolutely shithouse+. Fuck off Lerner - you pathetic Septic' moron etc etc
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Just Fuck Off. Fuck Off right now.
I fucking hate that face
Me too. Rot, Lerner.
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The worst I've ever felt as a Villa fan.
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I agree entirely with Henry and Carragher on Sky. We might not technically be the worst ever team in terms of points, but we certainly are in terms of talent, style and above all, attitude. It's that last one that I find inexcusable.
The players out there are living the dream, being paid millions to play football. They have no idea what I would give to trade places with them. And then they play like that. Again. I can't decide if I want to laugh, cry, or do something unspeakably violent.
Derby are the worst. They were getting these scorelines on a weekly basis in 07/08.
We are certainly in the worst 5 though, those joke QPR teams in the last few seasons that have gone down bottom are better than this team.
And we also spent 50m on it.
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I agree entirely with Henry and Carragher on Sky. We might not technically be the worst ever team in terms of points, but we certainly are in terms of talent, style and above all, attitude. It's that last one that I find inexcusable.
The players out there are living the dream, being paid millions to play football. They have no idea what I would give to trade places with them. And then they play like that. Again. I can't decide if I want to laugh, cry, or do something unspeakably violent.
Henry struggling to suppress laughter, and seeing Klopp giggling away has been the icing on the cake for me.
That was embarrassing.
Worse than the 8-0 to Chelsea
The club is rotten to the core everything needs clearing out and it starts with owner , but there is just no one out there with the cash to buy a club it seems so we are just stuck being made a national embarrassment
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They looked like they did'nt care today
They obviously didn't read Remi's piece on the OS about the players tapping their inner strength. Either that or Remi has now discovered the players inner strength is full of sh*t
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Didn't bother watching the usual debacle. Why does Garde keep picking Westwood and Bacuna? Appalling players. PLAY SOME FUCKING YOUNG PLAYERS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS YOU TWAT. Same with Sinclair, he's shit. TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT YOU TWAT.
Only another 3/4 months left before we can look half competent in the Championship, oh I forgot we're going to *insert moronic, high fiving, Krulak style tub thumping cliché here*
We won't, wake up, were shit. Whilst Lerner is here we will rot. The man is a top notch ******. Fucking scum bag.
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Just Fuck Off. Fuck Off right now.
Don't insult him, he didn't mean this to happen with his criminal negligence. He's a ****** and I dont give a fuck if that offends anyone here. He has ruined us as a remotely competitive football club. ******, ****** fucking ******, fuck off you utter wanker.
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Tbh I gave up hope after Norwich at Christmas, but to watch that poor effort, honestly I, oh f@,k it like juan pablo I'm lost for words
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Remy won't walk, right?
Nope, he will want his pay off.
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I concur wholeheartedly and I'd just like to add I detest the useless waste of spunk...
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Owner : Surrendered
Board : Surrendered
Players : Surrendered
Manager : Still trying
We almost have the set...how much longer can Remi hold out ?
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Just Fuck Off. Fuck Off right now.
I fucking hate that face
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Get the anger out.
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Please sack this gutless and spineless cowardly manager. He doesn't give a shit about the club.
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That was quite cathartic
This. Don't feel angry anymore. We're done and it's a relief in a strange way.
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Should have stuck Hutton in midfield instead of Bacuna .It could not have been worse.
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Please sack this gutless and spineless cowardly manager. He doesn't give a shit about the club.
OVER HERE, HE'S HERE EVERYBODY!
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Please sack this gutless and spineless cowardly manager. He doesn't give a shit about the club.
You're the kind of fan chairmen have intimate dreams about.
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Just Fuck Off. Fuck Off right now.
I fucking hate that face
To all Villa fans. Please boycott the club for the rest of the season and dont go to VP.This is the only way to make the hierarchy realise we arent standing for this shite anymore.
That was truly awful
I must agree. The restraint of Villa fans over the past three/four years has been truly astonishing. The final slap in the face from Lerner and his people was that January window - this result is entirely of that Boardroom's making.
It didn't seem to go down very well when suggested on the Collymore thread.
I wonder if a few people feel different now?
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Owner : Surrendered
Board : Surrendered
Players : Surrendered
Manager : Still trying
We almost have the set...how much longer can Remi hold out ?
Manager needs to consult his brain and stop picking certain players and thinking something different will happen.
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Please sack this gutless and spineless cowardly manager. He doesn't give a shit about the club.
Good call! That'll sort everything out beautifully. Marvelous. ::)
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The worst bit is that there is no way out of this situation for us. Not in terms of relegation, that's nailed on, I mean in terms of the club ever turning a corner. There's nothing even vaguely on the horizon which suggests that at some point, things will start to get better.
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I knew we were shit but Villa didn't need to rubber stamp that shitness quite so emphatically. Probably the worst game in my time of following Villa because this isn't just a one-off drubbing. It's the full stop on the decline of a once great club.
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Just Fuck Off. Fuck Off right now.
I fucking hate that face
To all Villa fans. Please boycott the club for the rest of the season and dont go to VP.This is the only way to make the hierarchy realise we arent standing for this shite anymore.
That was truly awful
I must agree. The restraint of Villa fans over the past three/four years has been truly astonishing. The final slap in the face from Lerner and his people was that January window - this result is entirely of that Boardroom's making.
Sadly, I don't think it's restraint. It's apathy.
I wouldn't agree. I think it has been there under the surface for about five years. But for some weird reason such folk became figures of ridicule. Inexplicable really given what a proud club we always were.
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Don't worry guys it's not like we needed to buy any players in January or anything, everything's fine!
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I knew we were shit but Villa didn't need to rubber stamp that shitness quite so emphatically. Probably the worst game in my time of following Villa because this isn't just a one-off drubbing. It's the full stop on the decline of a once great club.
If only it was the full stop on the decline, but unfortunately, there's still more to come
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I did have a small hope before the game
I just thought a poor Liverpool team If we get a win and keep in with the pack , it gives me hope.
Until you look at the team and think how
Gabby , Westwood , Bacuna and Richards ,
Why am I thinking we will win this .
I have to stop the drinking and get real , and now I know its real . We will be a championship team , and I just pray we will not be a League one team the season after.
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Please sack this gutless and spineless cowardly manager. He doesn't give a shit about the club.
Fuck off. You stupid Stripy ******.
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An absolute bunch of wankers from top to bottom and front to back.
That team looked beaten from the off, and cisokho's back pass after a few mins, when we had finally got into their half set the scene.
We are team of cowards and charlatans.
When a ****** like Bacuna can earn thousands of pounds a week for what he gives back just sums up eveything that is shit about football in general and our club.
As for Remi, well, I ain't so sure he's all that.
To send out a team so devoid of effort and energy, from the off, must be down to his preparation.
They can all just fuck right off.
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You know how when a team that's obviously not good enough for the league finally drops and then any adrenalin they were using just disappears and they plummet into the Third Division?
That.
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Just Fuck Off. Fuck Off right now.
Lerner is a ******.
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Richards strolls around the place thinking he's actually better than the club and every other player here.
Newsflash moron, you're one of the worst and have been all season.
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I wonder how far we'll drop before things bottom out?
That to me looks like a team that will keep on dropping.
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Please sack this gutless and spineless cowardly manager. He doesn't give a shit about the club.
You are a boring repetetive prick to be honest.
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Where do teams like Bournemouth and Leicester find these bargains from? You look at Westwood and Bacuna and it's so obvious we got exactly what we paid for.
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Please sack this gutless and spineless cowardly manager. He doesn't give a shit about the club.
Fuck off. You stupid Stripy c***.
What Chelts said. With an added "fuck you, you pointless troll" from me.
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Gabby , Westwood , Bacuna and Richards
Add to that Veretout and Gil.
Our midfield and forward line is the worst I've seen in 30+ years of watching us (and I include the 1986 lot in that).
There's just nothing there. Nothing. No pace, no creativity, no width, no one who can split the defence, no one who can take a man on consistently.
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I don't think it would help at all, but would this team really be any worse if Garde wasn't here?
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Owner : Surrendered
Board : Surrendered
Players : Surrendered
Manager : Still trying
We almost have the set...how much longer can Remi hold out ?
Manager needs to consult his brain and stop picking certain players and thinking something different will happen.
Who can he pick ? Did you see todays bench they is no one and this idea to play kids , really you want to stick young inexperienced kids into this shit storm?
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I wonder how far we'll drop before things bottom out?
That to me looks like a team that will keep on dropping.
I agree and unless there is the most aggressive clear out we will be in free fall.
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Just Fuck Off. Fuck Off right now.
Lerner is a c***.
Would like to know if Doug is still smug with himself for selling to Lerner, and at less than he could have got from somebody else?
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Looks like everyone at the club have given up, that was a totally spineless display. I hope not one of those players is at the club next season.
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Carragher also said that we have been an embarrassment for about 5 years now and this team will finish nearer the bottom of the Championship than the top. This is my 50th year supporting Villa and there just doesn't seem to be any hope now. I just don't know where the bottom is with this lot. I can't even recall things feeling this bad before Doug took over in the late 60's. Things have got so bad, it feels on a par with those days of 1967/68. It's like the last 50 years have been wiped out and we are once again a shambles from top to bottom. There are just no positives.
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I thought Sinclair had a decent cameo...was the only one interested in driving at their defense and unlucky not to score a consolation goal. The problem was most of the time he was surrounded by 3 Liverpool players with no support and certainly nobody running ahead of him.
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I was expecting fight, passion , players who cared , gave blood for the club , a team who harassed and got stuck in .
Players who had pride for their badge , the fans and themselves.
Mcgrath , not one of them cared. To fucking easy for them , and now they will drove home in their new Range Rovers without a care in the world.
yes most of them are shit but we always had players down villa who did not have the greatest quality but would die for ASTON VILLA.
Not these absolute tossers.
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I wonder how far we'll drop before things bottom out?
That to me looks like a team that will keep on dropping.
I agree and unless there is the most aggressive clear out we will be in free fall.
If he'd stay, I would like to see Garde given the chance to rebuild the team. We need an enema and a manager with some vision.
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Just back, I left after the fifth, couldn't take any more. Never left that early in 50 years of watching them. I don't believe there is a manager on the planet who could do much better with the players available today. The five goals I did witness were all avoidable but you could see that any confidence they might have had drain away.
We need new ownership but I just can't see a change coming.
Depressed from Walsall.
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Disgrace and embarrassment to the shirt, Bacuna the worst culprit. He is fucking horrendous and would be out of his depth in the Championship.
Ah well I'll be at Stoke and will enjoy myself and sing for 90 minutes even though we'll lose. We may aswell enjoy the last 12 games in the stands because we're down already.
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I wonder how far we'll drop before things bottom out?
That to me looks like a team that will keep on dropping.
A shoeing against a bag of shit team away before the season ends. I think the low point will come in the summer when we see the kind of players we are targeting and have a few remaining faces leave and look at the starting 11 we are going to put out, it will be depressing. Another season of Lerner, his hand picked morons, bull shit sales patter and a Fox appointed idiot of a manager telling us we cant compete with the likes of Preston.
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There is no way on God's earth this club will bounce straight back up. We're badly run, neglected, infested with suits and blue sky thinking and a budget of pennies where it counts most of all. We're Leeds, basically.
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I wonder how far we'll drop before things bottom out?
That to me looks like a team that will keep on dropping.
It's going to be like Blackburn and Venkys or Fulham with their fella. This won't bottom out until we have new, genuinely ambitious, leadership.
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It's the attitude of the players that really boils my piss .
Hate every single one of them .
Not one of them is fit to wear our famous colours
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Everyone should just resign.
Only thing to do is to restart in the Championship.
I hope Remi will do that and won't walk.
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The worst bit is that there is no way out of this situation for us. Not in terms of relegation, that's nailed on, I mean in terms of the club ever turning a corner. There's nothing even vaguely on the horizon which suggests that at some point, things will start to get better.
THIS
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This won't bottom out until we have new, genuinely ambitious, leadership.
it's all relative...by the time we hit D1 the peak of our ambition could be to become an established Championship team, shocking how low we have (and could) sink.
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I said earlier that at the moment, it's impossible to assess who you would keep for the Championship. But honestly, why would you? Westwood runs the show in the Championship, it's all smiles, but what happens when we get promoted? He's obviously not good enough. And hand on heart, even our best players are probably only good enough for about 16th-17th in the Premier League.
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It's the attitude of the players that really boils my piss .
Hate every single one of them .
Not one of them is fit to wear our famous colours
It all comes from the top down, unfortunately.
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Gabby , Westwood , Bacuna and Richards
Add to that Veretout and Gil.
Our midfield and forward line is the worst I've seen in 30+ years of watching us (and I include the 1986 lot in that).
There's just nothing there. Nothing. No pace, no creativity, no width, no one who can split the defence, no one who can take a man on consistently.
we are like a condom without a dick in it
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Owner : Surrendered
Board : Surrendered
Players : Surrendered
Manager : Still trying
We almost have the set...how much longer can Remi hold out ?
Manager needs to consult his brain and stop picking certain players and thinking something different will happen.
Who can he pick ? Did you see todays bench they is no one and this idea to play kids , really you want to stick young inexperienced kids into this shit storm?
What shit storm? It's not like the players are getting hammered from the stands. Things might not have got so bad if certain players weren't churned out week after inept week. I have no idea how good the young players are because they never play. I'm pretty certain we have someone at the club better than Bacuna though, who will get full support simply for not being Bacuna and being young. If there's one thing I'll say about Garde, he lacks any sort of imagination. The rest of the season isn't going to do anyone any good.
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I used to joke that we needed an exorcist. But the solution is more mundane and a tad harder to achieve - it's not an evil spirit we need to get rid of, it's this owner.
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I said earlier that at the moment, it's impossible to assess who you would keep for the Championship. But honestly, why would you? Westwood runs the show in the Championship, it's all smiles, but what happens when we get promoted? He's obviously not good enough. And hand on heart, even our best players are probably only good enough for about 16th-17th in the Premier League.
If Westwood runs the show in the Championship I'll give £100 notes to Acorns. He's garbage.
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I said earlier that at the moment, it's impossible to assess who you would keep for the Championship. But honestly, why would you? Westwood runs the show in the Championship, it's all smiles, but what happens when we get promoted? He's obviously not good enough. And hand on heart, even our best players are probably only good enough for about 16th-17th in the Premier League.
If Westwood runs the show in the Championship I'll give £100 notes to Acorns. He's garbage.
It's a shame for Acorns that they won't be getting a hundred quid.
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It's the attitude of the players that really boils my piss .
Hate every single one of them .
Not one of them is fit to wear our famous colours
It all comes from the top down, unfortunately.
Bang on. The owner doesn't want anything to do with the club. The Chairman is an accountant looking to strip things back. The CEO is a corporate gobshite who knows nothing about football only pennies and the manager have been fucked around and won't commit to another season. Everything is drifting along, the only ambition is for the club to cause as little hassle to Mr Lerner as possible. There is no ambition to achieve anything, only to not be a nuisance any longer. It's a shell of a football club lacking any heart.
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I said earlier that at the moment, it's impossible to assess who you would keep for the Championship. But honestly, why would you? Westwood runs the show in the Championship, it's all smiles, but what happens when we get promoted? He's obviously not good enough. And hand on heart, even our best players are probably only good enough for about 16th-17th in the Premier League.
If Westwood runs the show in the Championship I'll give £100 notes to Acorns. He's garbage.
It's a shame for Acorns that they won't be getting a hundred quid.
You think we will sell him by then then?
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I said earlier that at the moment, it's impossible to assess who you would keep for the Championship. But honestly, why would you? Westwood runs the show in the Championship, it's all smiles, but what happens when we get promoted? He's obviously not good enough. And hand on heart, even our best players are probably only good enough for about 16th-17th in the Premier League.
If Westwood runs the show in the Championship I'll give £100 notes to Acorns. He's garbage.
Westwood couldn't run a Punch & Juldy show the talentless clogger.
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I honestly can't remember the last time I saw a Villa side as bad as they were today. Diabolical.
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I said earlier that at the moment, it's impossible to assess who you would keep for the Championship. But honestly, why would you? Westwood runs the show in the Championship, it's all smiles, but what happens when we get promoted? He's obviously not good enough. And hand on heart, even our best players are probably only good enough for about 16th-17th in the Premier League.
If Westwood runs the show in the Championship I'll give £100 notes to Acorns. He's garbage.
It's a shame for Acorns that they won't be getting a hundred quid.
You think we will sell him by then then?
No, I think he won't be very good.
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Amavi, gueye, ayew, lescott and veretout have looked good in infrequent patches this year. 4 will be off, Lescott is about 47, and we'll be stuck with the rest. How can we rebuild from that?
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It's the attitude of the players that really boils my piss .
Hate every single one of them .
Not one of them is fit to wear our famous colours
It all comes from the top down, unfortunately.
Bang on. The owner doesn't want anything to do with the club. The Chairman is an accountant looking to strip things back. The CEO is a corporate gobshite who knows nothing about football only pennies and the manager have been fucked around and won't commit to another season. Everything is drifting along, the only ambition is for the club to cause as little hassle to Mr Lerner as possible. There is no ambition to achieve anything, only to not be a nuisance any longer. It's a shell of a football club lacking any heart.
No one at the club REALLY cares.
Its the trickle down effect.
It comes from the very top, and if the owner doesn't give a shit, then there is no accountability.
The Chairman and the chief exec are on easy street because their boss is not demanding anything from them.
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Amavi, gueye, ayew, lescott and veretout have looked good in infrequent patches this year. 4 will be off, Lescott is about 47, and we'll be stuck with the rest. How can we rebuild from that?
we will have westwood, bacuna , Sinclair Guzan, Gabby , Gil, Grealish ,Clark ,Aly playing next season .
Is Hutton and Richardson contracts up? I hope
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Amavi, gueye, ayew, lescott and veretout have looked good in infrequent patches this year. 4 will be off, Lescott is about 47, and we'll be stuck with the rest. How can we rebuild from that?
We'll need to spend every penny of the parachute money on the best Championship players who missed out on Promotion this year. And hope for the best.
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The solution, which should be being worked on behind the scenes as of now, is to look at all the players in the Championship who are obviously propping up teams that fancy their chances at promotion but won't get there, and add them to a great striker that you break the budget for. The one area we can't afford to skimp is up top, because we'll have no chance at survival in that division, let alone promotion.
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I have voted with my feet this season and refuse to go. I won't be returning until Lerner and his minions have gone. I haven't watched MOTD for months and the bits of football I have seen were awful. I thought we had hit rock bottom but no, we have started drilling. There is no way we are going to avoid relegation. The transfer committee or whoever it was who thought the idea of splashing out millions on players not used to the premier league last summer should be ashamed. Thank you Randy for strangling the life out of Aston Villa.
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I bet there won't be 36,000 at the next home game.
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rip it all up and start again
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It could be worse, in 35/36 we also lost 0-7 vs the Bitters, 2-7 vs Boro, 2-6 vs Grimsby, 5-0 vs Man City, 1-7 vs Arsenal, 5-1 vs Blackburn, 5-2 vs Sheff Wed.
Now that's a Paul Lambert Christmas.
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It was frighteningly obvious from the start we were going to get a hiding today.
And this against a very mediocre Liverpool side.
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I bet there won't be 36,000 at the next home game.
Safest bet in the world as it's a Tuesday night. Even if we'd won today there wouldn't have been 36K.
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Amavi, gueye, ayew, lescott and veretout have looked good in infrequent patches this year. 4 will be off, Lescott is about 47, and we'll be stuck with the rest. How can we rebuild from that?
We'll need to spend every penny of the parachute money on the best Championship players who missed out on Promotion this year. And hope for the best.
The solution, which should be being worked on behind the scenes as of now, is to look at all the players in the Championship who are obviously propping up teams that fancy their chances at promotion but won't get there, and add them to a great striker that you break the budget for. The one area we can't afford to skimp is up top, because we'll have no chance at survival in that division, let alone promotion.
Great minds, curiousorange ...
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to think TSM1 and TSM2 kept us up
I really thought we would get away from that hell
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I wonder how far we'll drop before things bottom out?
That to me looks like a team that will keep on dropping.
A shoeing against a bag of shit team away before the season ends. I think the low point will come in the summer when we see the kind of players we are targeting and have a few remaining faces leave and look at the starting 11 we are going to put out, it will be depressing. Another season of Lerner, his hand picked morons, bull shit sales patter and a Fox appointed idiot of a manager telling us we cant compete with the likes of Preston.
My worst fear 😱. I fully anticipated the austerity lite employed to now will be replaced with austerity max when we drop. The detached trust fund prick will let his appointed lunatics run riot, and the car crash we're watching unfold now that appears to be a three car shunt, will become apparent as a 50 car pile up. We're fucked the silver spoon man child is bored and will let us rot. I've never really wished anyone ill but my feelings toward the trust fund wanker are leaning that way. For shame. Damn them all.
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It was frighteningly obvious from the start we were going to get a hiding today.
And this against a very mediocre Liverpool side.
Where were you sitting?
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It was frighteningly obvious from the start we were going to get a hiding today.
And this against a very mediocre Liverpool side.
Where were you sitting?
Lower Trinity.
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Amavi, gueye, ayew, lescott and veretout have looked good in infrequent patches this year. 4 will be off, Lescott is about 47, and we'll be stuck with the rest. How can we rebuild from that?
We'll need to spend every penny of the parachute money on the best Championship players who missed out on Promotion this year. And hope for the best.
The solution, which should be being worked on behind the scenes as of now, is to look at all the players in the Championship who are obviously propping up teams that fancy their chances at promotion but won't get there, and add them to a great striker that you break the budget for. The one area we can't afford to skimp is up top, because we'll have no chance at survival in that division, let alone promotion.
Great minds, curiousorange ...
Yeah, I saw that just after I posted. I won't mind operating on a Championship budget if we use it wisely. But look at some of the fees players are going for in the Championship now. We'll have to spend fifty million before we even think about competing at the top end.
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The pity from the Liverpool fans was also noticeable. That is how bad it is.
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Stop all the clocks cut off the telephone ,
Prevent the dog from barking with a juicy bone,
Silence the pianos and with muffled drum,
Bring out the coffin, Let the mourners come.
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Bunn: calamitous
Richards: useless
Okore: naff
Lescott: rubbish
Cissokho: awful
Westwood: shit
Gana: inept
Veretout: abject
Gil: hopeless
Agbonlahor: ineffective
Sinclair: clueless
Lyden: uninspiring
Hutton: pointless
Bacuna: all of the above
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I agree with all that Legion. At what point can you start to blame Garde though?
He looked absolutely clueless today.
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Who, exactly, is telling these players to hang onto the ball for as long as possible? Gueye did it loads last week, but virtually all of them were guilty of it today. 'So, when you get the ball, try and get it caught under your feet, like a dog in the park, until you feel a Liverpool player brush the back of your shorts. Then fall over.'
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I agree with all that Legion. At what point can you start to blame Garde though?
He looked absolutely clueless today.
At some point, even though I'm open minded about Garde, we have to question what he's actually doing to try and improve us. Because today, that looked suspiciously like he picked a team because he had no other choice but to fulfil a fixture.
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Bunn: calamitous
Richards: useless
Okore: naff
Lescott: rubbish
Cissokho: awful
Westwood: shit
Gana: inept
Veretout: abject
Gil: hopeless
Agbonlahor: ineffective
Sinclair: clueless
Lyden: uninspiring
Hutton: pointless
Bacuna: all of the above
You've missed spineless, cowardly, incompetent, disinterested and rudderless.
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It was frighteningly obvious from the start we were going to get a hiding today.
And this against a very mediocre Liverpool side.
Where were you sitting?
Lower Trinity.
what colour was your seat
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It could be worse, in 35/36 we also lost 0-7 vs the Bitters, 2-7 vs Boro, 2-6 vs Grimsby, 5-0 vs Man City, 1-7 vs Arsenal, 5-1 vs Blackburn, 5-2 vs Sheff Wed.
Now that's a Paul Lambert Christmas.
i seem to remember Forest doing us five at VP about 25 years back.
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http://www.benchwarmers.ie/bench/watch-jamie-carragher-rips-the-aston-villa-squad-a-new-one/44562/#.VsCz5kXfXCR
Entirely correct
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6 goals and not a single moment of brilliance from them involved in any of them, all calamitous from us.
The first Sturridge had a stupid amount of space inbetween Okore and Lescott.
The second was the worst of the lot, first Okore trying to let the ball run out of play for about 15 yards, then Richards stupid foul, then Bunn, well I dont actually know what he was doing on the cross.
The 3rd, Bacuna with the type of control hat we have come to expect from him.
I cant remember the order of the last 3 goals but one was Origi running 20 yards for a one on one with Bunn, the other was a free header from Toure and the other was a horrible scramble.
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Well, at least the "will we, won't we, we could still do it" myth/pipe dream is shot to frigging pieces.
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The players went out and looked they'd be defeated from very early on. So many goals were avoidable and so many individual errors. Players in the second half had given up it was a disgrace and so many have to go.
We are down and this useless excuse of a club need to get a grip. Firstly we need to decide on Garde and confirm if he is staying or going. If he is staying he needs backing, if he wants to go let him go. If he stays he needs to confirm the players he wants to move forward with and the rest need to be put up for sale or negotiated out of the club.
Secondly currently the only man to have paid for this season is Sherwood - how. Riley and Almstadt have to go they are in charge of the football side and we have wasted 50million they have to take responsibility and walk.
Thirdly we need to buy a spine for next season. We need a new keeper, new centre half, a leader in midfield and a new striker. These players need to have experience in the prem, championship be leaders on the pitch. I would keep a lot of the Frenchmen but the likes of bacuna, westwood etc all have mugged this club off for so long. Richards/Lescott can go for me - they are not leaders and again are journeymen particularly Richards.
Finally we need to identify some former players to advise the muppets running our club. There are former players out there who care use them.
The rest of the useless rabble
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It could be worse, in 35/36 we also lost 0-7 vs the Bitters, 2-7 vs Boro, 2-6 vs Grimsby, 5-0 vs Man City, 1-7 vs Arsenal, 5-1 vs Blackburn, 5-2 vs Sheff Wed.
Now that's a Paul Lambert Christmas.
i seem to remember Forest doing us five at VP about 25 years back.
I remember that, the Trevor Christie match.
That and the 0-5 to Man City, the David White match.
I reckon those were the two most embarrassing car crashes I've watched at Villa Park.
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An absolute bunch of wankers from top to bottom and front to back.
That team looked beaten from tdhe off, and cisokho's back pass after a few mins, when we had finally got into their half set the scene.
We are team of cowards and charlatans.
When a c*** like Bacuna can earn thousands of pounds a week for what he gives back just sums up eveything that is shit about football in general and our club.
As for Remi, well, I ain't so sure he's all that.
To send out a team so devoid of effort and energy, from the off, must be down to his preparation.
They can all just fuck right off.
this
c***s every one of them and special mention to bacuna
garde has got to take some blame with his stand 3 yards off every player and dont cross the halfway line tactics
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First time I've left before the end of a game in 50 years, but that was like watching someone kick your injured dog while you were tied to a lamppost. shear torture and pain.
I also thought is was the only option left to us as fans as the only vote or influence we have is to vote with our feet.
We spent the 25 minute walk back to the car discussing alternatives to football as that debacle was enough to kill any interest in it for life.
Sad.
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I'm open minded about Garde but he stood there totally out of his depth today.
I get the lack of options, Andre Green on the wing would be a start though.
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Well, at least the "will we, won't we, we could still do it" myth/pipe dream is shot to frigging pieces.
This. From now on we need only to talk about what we need to do for next season. It's over.
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When can you start voting for Player of the Season and will the season review DVD become available for sale in April or May?
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Either lescotts Twitter account has been hacked or he has just done even by footballers standards the dumbest thing ever in the history of football.
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Either lescotts Twitter account has been hacked or he has just done even by footballers standards the dumbest thing ever in the history of football.
I just posted it on his thread.
What a fucking thundercunt.
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It's the attitude of the players that really boils my piss .
Hate every single one of them .
Not one of them is fit to wear our famous colours
It all comes from the top down, unfortunately.
Bang on. The owner doesn't want anything to do with the club. The Chairman is an accountant looking to strip things back. The CEO is a corporate gobshite who knows nothing about football only pennies and the manager have been fucked around and won't commit to another season. Everything is drifting along, the only ambition is for the club to cause as little hassle to Mr Lerner as possible. There is no ambition to achieve anything, only to not be a nuisance any longer. It's a shell of a football club lacking any heart.
I agree and it makes me weep. How anyone could do this, our allow this to happen to my/our Villa is beyond comprehension. I'm on holiday and they've managed to ruin my first day here. Lerner take your half arsed bullshit stick it up your ringpiece and just fuck off. Hand the club over to someone who gives a shit...
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Either lescotts Twitter account has been hacked or he has just done even by footballers standards the dumbest thing ever in the history of football.
???
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What's he done?
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Apparently Posted a lovely picture of his new VERY expensive German automobile - payed for by us no doubt, it's good to know he feels our pain.
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NSFW
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What's he done?
Apparently Posted a lovely picture of his new VERY expensive German automobile - payed for by us no doubt, it's good to know he feels our pain.
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When can you start voting for Player of the Season and will the season review DVD become available for sale in April or May?
Stephen Ireland must be in with a good shout of winning it again.
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Watch and weep (http://www.flashscores.co.uk/match/QyoDHgfS/#video)
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I don't think we have a good enough squad to make a few purchases in the summer and turn us into promotion prospects. I think we will have to buy players that will actually just keep us in the championship. It's only now that I realise how the fans of clubs such as Leeds and Wednesday must feel. We are going to have to go through what they have been through. All because of gross mismanagement.
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Listened to WM on the way back. Worst home defeat since 1935 apparently. They had Dennis Mortimer on at one point and when pressed to say who was to blame for a shameful performance like that (being encouraged to blame Lerner/Garde/Fox etc) he said no - it was the players, and as a group of professional players they showed a lack of fight and professional pride both individually and collectively. Pretty spot on really - for all the fuck-ups off the pitch a professional footballer should at least go out and show some fight and some pride. Ours looked as though they were booking their holidays. And I never want to see Bacuna or Westwood in a Villa shirt again. The only plus to salvage from a complete clusterfuck of shit that was today's game, was the noise in the Holte for the last 10 minutes or so
And I don't think we've seen the worst yet - this board and that squad will take us straight to Division 1. We need a complete clearout, starting with the likes of Fox, Riley and Almstadt, as well as Lerner, and then all the deadwood and shit in the squad. Pay them off and start again - and get a football man such as Sir Brian on the board. I really believe it will - and may actually need to - get a whole lot worse before it gets better
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Away from the football side, can someone please tell me who the best person is to email about a complaint. Today, I was outside the ground having a cig when a steward came up and said I needed to move about 5 yards as I could not smoke where I was standing, which was in the open air!! Even worse, by the corporate entrance the security man virtually asked a man to strip off because his little machine beeped. I think it turned out to be a coin that was causing the beep. Just after that incident, 3 women with handbags almost as big as a small luggage you would take on holiday were given a cursory glance inside their bags by the security women, no waving the magic electronic wand at them and not asked to undo their coats like all the men were being asked to do. Absolute disgrace. If you are a "terrorist" just send a women instead of a man and bobs yer uncle.
So nothing from the club on the football side but, coming up with loads of ideas of how to piss off the fans!!
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Watch and weep (http://www.flashscores.co.uk/match/QyoDHgfS/#video)
that was uncalled for,i thought it maybe something about lescott,you have a nasty streak legion
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Please sack this gutless and spineless cowardly manager. He doesn't give a shit about the club.
You are a joker, get a grip
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http://www.benchwarmers.ie/bench/watch-jamie-carragher-rips-the-aston-villa-squad-a-new-one/44562/#.VsCz5kXfXCR
Entirely correct
The morons running the place are fully to blame for employing very bad imposters to do the work of 'professional' footballers.
99% of these donkeys are actors who got a call from their agent about a very lucrative job, got to BH, did a few keepie uppies and got a multi million pound contract.
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To be fair I did laugh at one of the replys to Lescott 'fuck off elephant man.'
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Humiliated (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35573703)
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Made up I didn't go today, was at the UK Squash finals in Manchester.
We painted ourselves another false dawn after the Norwich game, yes we really are that bad. Surely at 2-0 down we should have least have had a go but no.
Garde appears to have identified the correct weaknesses in the squad but then reverts to Villa type.
Oh well Stoke in 2 weeks lets hope its a decent day out. The most glum person on Merseyside right now.
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https://teespring.com/govi?ad=uk_ber
Taking the piss now.
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Apologies if this was mentioned earlier - it's too depressing to read the whole thread. I agree with what others have written about the players and the club management, but what surprised and impressed me was the home support at the end. After the 3rd goal, when hundreds walked out and the anti-Lerner chanting started, I thought the atmosphere would get very nasty but the Holte in particular really got behind the team and chanted support non-stop for the last 10 minutes. Actually, it was the club they were shouting for and not the team, and it illustrated how much the club means to thousands of people - something that the owner and the board just don't grasp.
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i think we should vote the player who make the least appearance in time. so if we had a kid coming off the bench for 2 minutes in one game. Make him our player of the year.
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Made up I didn't go today, was at the UK Squash finals in Manchester.
What won, orange or lemon?
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This is catastrophic. Its now becoming obvious to even the most optimistic and fervent of supporters that this time the decline could well be be terminal for our beloved club. With this regime in control and with this group of players we certainly will not survive in the championship. I have been a supporter since 1966 and have seen some bad times but nothing like this. I am utterly depressed and gutted.
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Made up I didn't go today, was at the UK Squash finals in Manchester.
Worth remembering, there's always someone worse off than yourself /oblig_post
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There's not alot that I can say that I'd imagine hasn't already been said.
The first three goals were individual errors. Beyond that, I'm sorry but our lot gave up from what I saw. Fortunately for us, Liverpool gave up at six, otherwise it could have become *really* embarrassing.
The first time we've shipped six at home in the league since 1983 when Arsenal won 6-2, so that's yet another unwanted record achieved. Whoopie-doo.
Still, I'm sure the commercial department feel it was a successful day. Shirt, scarf and pie sales were probably quite high. Not to mention the increase in Oxo and tea sales to help stave off the cold.
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I've been going since I was 8 and that's the worst Villa performance I've ever seen.
The 11 on the pitch aren't Villa. The people in the boardroom aren't Villa. We in the stands are Villa and we still be when they have all gone.
It's going to be a long road but we will rise again.
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Can't wait for the season to end. I would say that we should try some of the young players but, honestly, I know nothing about them. The constant disregard of the youngsters over the last 2 or 3 seasons has left us in a position where picking any would be just a gamble. However, that gamble has to be taken to try and get some effort into the team.
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Humiliated (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35573703)
"I don't know exactly who let down who in this football club"
Hmm. I have an idea Remi...
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Humiliated (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35573703)
"I don't know exactly who let down who in this football club"
Hmm. I have an idea Remi...
He comes over as a very decent man and does not deserve this.
Just about the only person involved with the club thatI have any respect for.
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It could be worse, in 35/36 we also lost 0-7 vs the Bitters, 2-7 vs Boro, 2-6 vs Grimsby, 5-0 vs Man City, 1-7 vs Arsenal, 5-1 vs Blackburn, 5-2 vs Sheff Wed.
Now that's a Paul Lambert Christmas.
i seem to remember Forest doing us five at VP about 25 years back.
Correct 0-5 early season, probably September. Midweek game either 1984or1985. We were poor but compared to this lot we were world beaters.
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Just home. That game today was a defining moment in the history of the club. Before today we were clinging to the belief that Remi Garde had drummed a bit of organisation and resolve into them. Clearly he has not. Their headless chickens routine resurfaced with a vengeance today. I thought it at times during the tenure of the last four managers - are they actually refusing to follow instructions and I thought the same today. The players are a rabble. Remi Garde used up a lot goodwill today by letting that shameful performance happen. Bacuna and Westwood should both have got the hook at half time and by not doing it Remi Garde in my opinion showed weakness.
There have been moments in games this season when you got the distinct impression that there were players in our side who did not mind losing.
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Apologies if this was mentioned earlier - it's too depressing to read the whole thread. I agree with what others have written about the players and the club management, but what surprised and impressed me was the home support at the end. After the 3rd goal, when hundreds walked out and the anti-Lerner chanting started, I thought the atmosphere would get very nasty but the Holte in particular really got behind the team and chanted support non-stop for the last 10 minutes. Actually, it was the club they were shouting for and not the team, and it illustrated how much the club means to thousands of people - something that the owner and the board just don't grasp.
The atmosphere was quite surreal near the end. It was almost as is a weight had been lifted off the fans because we know that its basically all over now.
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I think in my 48 years of watching the villa that is the most embarrassing spineless performance I have seen
Also I understand what people are saying about reminding but I am not seeing the improvement that is being talked about
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Humiliated (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35573703)
"I don't know exactly who let down who in this football club"
Hmm. I have an idea Remi...
He comes over as a very decent man and does not deserve this.
Just about the only person involved with the club thatI have any respect for.
He's an honorable man in an impossible situation being hung out to dry for the failures of the retarded American...
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It is quite unbelievable that Bacuna and Westwood were given 5 (yes five) year contracts last year. Makes you want to weep.
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(http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article842921.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Randy%20Lerner)
Just Fuck Off. Fuck Off right now.
Much as I don't like the words I believe in this case very appropriate. Well done Lerner for managing, a once great club, to this humiliation you clueless arsehole.
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At least Westwood had the decency to acknowledge the fans at the end, along with Hutton.
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It is quite unbelievable that Bacuna and Westwood were given 5 (yes five) year contracts last year. Makes you want to weep.
It means we'll get good transfer fees for them both when Champions League clubs come in for them (!)
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I've been going since I was 8 and that's the worst Villa performance I've ever seen.
The 11 on the pitch aren't Villa. The people in the boardroom aren't Villa. We in the stands are Villa and we still be when they have all gone.
It's going to be a long road but we will rise again.
The fans need to do something then. If that means storming the pitch or lobbing sea loads of white flags or tennis balls on the pitch then so be it.
The gutless morons on the pitch, on the sideline and in the directors box deserve no support that much is clear.
The future of AVFC is at stake imo, we have no chance of getting promoted if the status quo remains.
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I can only concur with everyone else on here in that in 55 years supporting villa that's the most embarrassing I've ever felt.
Those gutless spineless wonders do not deserve to wear the shirt of this once famous club but the blame is squarely at Lerners door he should be ashamed that he is the worst custodian in our clubs history bar none, even worse than the board of 68.
I said on here before villa fans have shown such restraint but now I think a boycott of the remaining games is the only way we can send a message that we have had enough.
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It has taken me some time to figure out who I am most angry at.
I have decided its the board. Well Lerner, Hollis & Fox specifically. No transfers is an outrage. This is one of the many consequences.
As I live 12 hours flight away please accept digital my "fuck off!" as if it was within earshot.
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It is quite unbelievable that Bacuna and Westwood were given 5 (yes five) year contracts last year. Makes you want to weep.
Jesus wept.
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Randy, the honeymoon period is over. I am now going to fart in bed.
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It has taken me some time to figure out who I am most angry at.
I have decided its the board. Well Lerner, Hollis & Fox specifically. No transfers is an outrage. This is one of the many consequences.
As I live 12 hours flight away please accept digital my "fuck off!" as if it was within earshot.
It's definitely the board, but principally Lerner. All of the decisions over the last decade that have led us to this place ultimately stop at his door. Basically anything that he could get wrong he has got wrong and now we lie in ruins.
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Throughout all of the shitness, the slow, sad decline of recent seasons, I never imagined things could become this utterly, completely abject.
It's beyond humiliation. It is a clusterfuck of scarcely believable proportions.
To say we need a clearout is like saying the public bogs in Palfrey Park could do with a bit of Jif.
The boardroom needs to be steam-cleaned, and every last trace of dithering, dim-witted Shummanite needs to be eradicated.
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It is quite unbelievable that Bacuna and Westwood were given 5 (yes five) year contracts last year. Makes you want to weep.
It's not unbelievable to me because they will have been seen as cheap players who we would not want to lose as they aren't on a huge amount and we would have to go thorugh the expense and effort of replacing them if we let their contract tick down.
They're shit mind the pair of them and should have been given a 5 minute contract never mind 5 years.
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It has taken me some time to figure out who I am most angry at.
I have decided its the board. Well Lerner, Hollis & Fox specifically. No transfers is an outrage. This is one of the many consequences.
As I live 12 hours flight away please accept digital my "fuck off!" as if it was within earshot.
It's definitely the board, but principally Lerner. All of the decisions over the last decade that have led us to this place ultimately stop at his door. Basically anything that he could get wrong he has got wrong and now we lie in ruins.
True man, true, but the other two did not need to parrot his bullshit about "spending money isnt the solution."
Christ what a state. It sure would be nice to enjoy football again.
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I've been going since I was 8 and that's the worst Villa performance I've ever seen.
The 11 on the pitch aren't Villa. The people in the boardroom aren't Villa. We in the stands are Villa and we still be when they have all gone.
It's going to be a long road but we will rise again.
Yes.
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Lowest I've felt as a Villa fan in 25 years of following them. Just looking at the team sheet is enough to put me off for the rest of my life. Someone at the club has to show some guts, some ambition to make the hard decisions that are going to be needed.
Strip out the rotten core of below average players and install some pride. Currently there is none.
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I heard Dennis Mortimer on the radio on the way home after the match and he more or less said everything i and everyone around me was thinking.He thought we might lose one or two nil but never in his wildest dreams could he have imagined such a performance lacking in pride,passion and worst of all effort.Sad days indeed for our once great club
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Lowest I've felt as a Villa fan in 25 years of following them. Just looking at the team sheet is enough to put me off for the rest of my life. Someone at the club has to show some guts, some ambition to make the hard decisions that are going to be needed.
That's all the players gone then.
Strip out the rotten core of below average players and install some pride. Currently there is none.
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I can only concur with everyone else on here in that in 55 years supporting villa that's the most embarrassing I've ever felt.
Those gutless spineless wonders do not deserve to wear the shirt of this once famous club but the blame is squarely at Lerners door he should be ashamed that he is the worst custodian in our clubs history bar none, even worse than the board of 68.
I said on here before villa fans have shown such restraint but now I think a boycott of the remaining games is the only way we can send a message that we have had enough.
When we lost to Everton at home in 67 4-2 that was my lowest point. Then the following week we lost 6-2 at Southampton. Today I just felt numb after their second goal and left just after their fourth.
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I'm open minded about Garde but he stood there totally out of his depth today.
I get the lack of options, Andre Green on the wing would be a start though.
I worry about him - he has a lack of options to chose from, but I think he's a 'cowardly' manager. Dignified, well spoken, articulate yes. But cowardly in his selections and lineups. He's never going to play on the front foot. Never going to effect a change from the bench.
He is McCleish/Lambert with a worse squad to work with.
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This is the worst defeat I have seen inflicted upon us at home. I missed the Woodcock bucket of goals game when Arsenal pummeled us. Well we have been filling the bucket ...no...skip full of shit for 5 seasons now and I think we can cover it up today. This humiliation is galling behind belief.
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I've witnessed all the awful aforementioned defeats. Arsenal, Forest, Chelsea etc, but this tops the lot.
From the kick off, there was no pressing, no players within 5 yards of their players. Who thought it was a good idea to concede possession and not challenge or press? Did the manager instruct them? To play badly is one thing but not to run or give 100% is inexcusable when the rewards are so ridiculously high.
If the first half was pathetic, the second half was worse than shambolic. No effort from a woeful set of players.
I think only Gana got a sweat on. The rest were just abject and took no responsibility. The defence were a nightmare and the rest of the midfield were appaling; static, sideways, slow and substandard in every respect.
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Yet another 360 mile round trip from towie land and surely there must be some young kids better than the shower we are seeing if there good enough for the bench there good enough fo the pitch
I seen more in Lyden in the minutes he was on the pitch than I Seen in bacuna in the time he been at vp
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I've witnessed all the awful aforementioned defeats. Arsenal, Forest, Chelsea etc, but this tops the lot.
From the kick off, there was no pressing, no players within 5 yards of their players. Who thought it was a good idea to concede possession and not challenge or press? Did the manager instruct them? To play badly is one thing but not to run or give 100% is inexcusable when the rewards are so ridiculously high.
If the first half was pathetic, the second half was worse than shambolic. No effort from a woeful set of players.
I think only Gana got a sweat on. The rest were just abject and took no responsibility. The defence were a nightmare and the rest of the midfield were appaling; static, sideways, slow and substandard in every respect.
No he didn't and in his post-match interview he mentioned that he was bemused by their inability to get tighter to opponents. I do think Garde over emphasised the quality we were facing today but generally he is brutally honest and for me his integrity is still apparent.
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I heard Dennis Mortimer on the radio on the way home after the match and he more or less said everything i and everyone around me was thinking.He thought we might lose one or two nil but never in his wildest dreams could he have imagined such a performance lacking in pride,passion and worst of all effort.Sad days indeed for our once great club
He will remember, as many of us older fans do, that marvellous team performance just over 35 years ago, when he scored the goal against champions Liverpool that gave us the belief that we could actually go on to win the league. How we long for players of his calibre now.
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If I was Remi Garde I would pick the kids next game and send a message to the main core of 16 crap players. Let them get experience for next season, so we know which kids is worth using for complete rebuild of team.
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Look, the players are just not good enough for the Premier League and never will be. The only ones who ever were are ageing and past their best, and that's the only reason they're here.
You continually sign lower league standard players and eventually you'll end up there. This has been coming for 5 years and it's entirely down to Lerner's 'couldn't give a fuck' attitude to Aston Villa, and it feels more like sabotage than anything else.
It's a miserable experience being a Villa fan under his ownership. Shame on him.
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Some of the players are good enough.
There are just too many who are not good enough.
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I've been badly ill all weekend.
Led in the sickbed, I was watching the game on the iPad and turned it off after the second goal.
I woke up about 5 ish and saw the BBC page that I'd had open said 0-2. Not too bad considering how crap we'd defended.
Then I refreshed the page......
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Some of the players are good enough.
There are just too many who are not good enough.
theyre all injured,which doesn't help,thats down to poor squad building,which is whos fault?
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What else did Sir Dennis say on the radio. If I buy the club I would make sure there is a job for Sir Dennis Mortimer as we need to identify players who will performs like Mellberg, Teale, McGrath, Talyor, and Laursen, not the 85% of our squad.
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We're rotten from the top down. Lerner and his boardroom cronies are the main culprits and relegated us as far back as the 1st Jan with no investment in the team. Lerner, Fox,Hollis, Reilly and Almstadt are all responsible. The players on the pitch are poor but are reflective of the poor owner and board. Villa fans support for Garde vs Norwich was great but the board got off lightly in that match with the fans not slating them the 1st home match after the transfer window closing. This should be a given whether we win, lose or draw!!!! Im boycotting the club and hitting the owner where it hurts. No season ticket, no merchandise, no programmes, no food/drink at the ground, match tickets only of a certain price. Villa fans need to act and not just talk to let Lerner and co. know how we feel.
Liverpool fans shouldn't gloat too imuch. They are in exactly the same position as we were when MON left, so they maybe where we are in 5 years time. I don't need to be told by the likes of carragher how embarrassing we are that's just stating the obvious and remember AVFC stopped his "mate" (Gerrard) from reaching a cup final last season- that's embarrassing. Finally brummie lobscouse are pathetic.
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I stayed till the very end today ....as always. Two things pleased me very much. First the reaction of our fans in applauding Benteke on to the pitch despite the carnage that was going on in front of them and second the absolute support for the club specially from the Holte Enders that started in the 80th minute and carried on till the end. At one stage Liverpool supporters joined in spinning their scarfs copying the Holte end. Well done to all of you ..well done indeed and that is why this great Club will never die. It is that and the fact that 40K+ used to turn up for Third Division games is what I love and will always hold close to my heart. Fuck players/Managers/Owners.
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Usual shit on the radio coming home - French players, no PL experience, signed by transfer committee etc. Half the callers had only listened on WM, not even seen it on telly. Of course Rego never contradicted them. Well, as far as I can see, only 3 of the 14 who were on the pitch had anything less than extensive PL experience before season started ( one was young Lyden and others were Gana and Veretout, 2 of the 'least worst' players today).Think these 2 would be the only 2 selected by transfer committee too as Lescott and Richards were clearly wanted by Sherwood. The rest were here under Lambert or before. Again the 'French players' were the 2 above and Cissokho, who was also not the worst on view. Bacuna's performance was the most cowardly I've seen from a Villa player, Westwood was physically weak again and Gabby might as well have been finishing his breakfast. But why let facts get in the way of prejudiced bollocks that is consistently peddled by the punditocracy?
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With that being our worst home result since 1935, have we now broken every single shit record over the last couple of years?
There can't be many more bad ones left, can there?
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With that being our worst home result since 1935, have we now broken every single shit record over the last couple of years?
There can't be many more bad ones left, can there?
least amount of goals scored in a season seems a good (or very bad) shout
edit haven't a clue what it is though
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How about fewest number of home wins in a season,must be in with a real shout of setting a new record there i would think
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Such a shame, such a very, very shame.
Fuck the Lerner.
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I can only concur with everyone else on here in that in 55 years supporting villa that's the most embarrassing I've ever felt.
Those gutless spineless wonders do not deserve to wear the shirt of this once famous club but the blame is squarely at Lerners door he should be ashamed that he is the worst custodian in our clubs history bar none, even worse than the board of 68.
I said on here before villa fans have shown such restraint but now I think a boycott of the remaining games is the only way we can send a message that we have had enough.
In all seriousness, he is worse than the board of 68. A shameful and disgusting position to find himself in. He should now be looking to sell his interest in Our Club as soon as possible whatever the financial cost to himself. In the interim, he should stay as far away from Our Club as possible. There is no reason for him ever to personally visit Villa Park again. Its Our Club not his, he just legally owns it in the business sense. If he is ever so misguided as to pay a visit I would hope anybody seeing him who truly loves Our Club will tell him in no uncertain terms to `Go Away`.
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The club is his, and things are going to get worse before they get better.
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I've said it before but what Lerner has done to our club over the last 6 seasons actually feels like sabotage. Everything at the club has been deliberately downgraded in that time which has seen us serve up the worst Villa team I've ever seen that has gone on to smash every shitty record the club the club has ever had the misfortune to set in more than 140 years of history, and let's face it, it's going to get worse. I hate the man for what he's done to Villa, and I don't care if that sounds over the top.
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I don't think it's deliberate but I know what you mean. It takes skill to relegate this club. It's only going to be the second time in 40 odd years that it's happened and the last time was out of one morons spite and hubris. This one is out of neglect though, as deliberate sabotage would be far too much active involvement for Lerner.
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Inexcusable from the players, they were either not arsed, not good enough or a combination of both today
I'm sure there'll be more bullshit on OS from them telling us how they are going to try and put things right but heard all that after the Wycombe game - not one of them has any professional pride to put in an utterly gutless performance like that today.
Shame on the fucking lot of them
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We've spent the last 6 seasons selling our best players and replacing them with players out of their depth in the PL. A blind man could tell you it was a recipe for disaster, and here we are today battered and bruised and finally facing relegation. And yeah it feels deliberate and it feels like sabotage.
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I don't think it's deliberate but I know what you mean. It takes skill to relegate this club. It's only going to be the second time in 40 odd years that it's happened and the last time was out of one morons spite and hubris. This one is out of neglect though, as deliberate sabotage would be far too much active involvement for Lerner.
Ads - sorry to disagree but neglect is not a skill. This has been coming for the past 5 years.
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We've spent the last 6 seasons selling our best players and replacing them with players out of their depth in the PL. A blind man could tell you it was a recipe for disaster, and here we are today battered and bruised and finally facing relegation. And yeah it feels deliberate and it feels like sabotage.
fox
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I think the term "Wanton Neglect "maybe appropriate.
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I suppose we were spared a goal from Benteke. Liverpool fans will be furious about that.
I ain't got anything to add. It's been said by everyone else. What a thoroughly miserable state of affairs.
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Carragher has just said SSN that no other Premier League Manager would want a single player from Villa's Squad...I have said this all season... to a man not one of our players would get in an opposition eleven. Scandalous!
He can get fucked quite frankly
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The plot to escape relegation thread 2016, needs to be changed to The plot to escape relegation thread 2017.
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The plot to escape relegation thread 2016, needs to be changed to The plot to escape relegation thread 2017.
I'm scared, you've just shown me the future... 😲
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The plot to escape relegation thread 2016, needs to be changed to The plot to escape relegation thread 2017.
Fair play for being convinced we're staying up this season.
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We've spent the last 6 seasons selling our best players and replacing them with players out of their depth in the PL. A blind man could tell you it was a recipe for disaster, and here we are today battered and bruised and finally facing relegation. And yeah it feels deliberate and it feels like sabotage.
It's not deliberate. Careless maybe but not deliberate.
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I too was flu'd up and watched the game on sky, I dozed off at half time. Woke up half hour later 6-0 down. Though I was tripping on Day Nurse.
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We've spent the last 6 seasons selling our best players and replacing them with players out of their depth in the PL. A blind man could tell you it was a recipe for disaster, and here we are today battered and bruised and finally facing relegation. And yeah it feels deliberate and it feels like sabotage.
It's not deliberate. Careless maybe but not deliberate.
As I said earlier wanton neglect.
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At 3-0 I went for a piss, came out it was 4-0 decided enough was enough and went home. Utter embarrassment the lack of effort was frightening. Our players care more about lifestyle than our club and that makes me sick to my stomach. Fuck the lot of you!!! I can't be arsed to keep going over this. We've said it all before it does not change one bit. The death of Aston Villa is nearly over just 12 more games of hell
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I too was flu'd up and watched the game on sky, I dozed off at half time. Woke up half hour later 6-0 down. Though I was tripping on Day Nurse.
Double dose again mate, things will feel better then.
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My worst day ever as a Villa fan.
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Carragher has just said SSN that no other Premier League Manager would want a single player from Villa's Squad...I have said this all season... to a man not one of our players would get in an opposition eleven. Scandalous!
He can get fucked quite frankly
Carragher was reacting to what he saw on the pitch today. In that context he was correct.
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I was thinking only the other day that the only reason we hadn't taken a beating this season was because we offered so little threat teams just kind of packed up and saved their energy once they got ahead.
Well, today the opposition took the bait.
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Carragher has just said SSN that no other Premier League Manager would want a single player from Villa's Squad...I have said this all season... to a man not one of our players would get in an opposition eleven. Scandalous!
He can get fucked quite frankly
Carragher was reacting to what he saw on the pitch today. In that context he was correct.
He can still go fuck himself
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I wholeheartedly agree with what Carragher said. Every word. We are a total and utter embarrassment of a club.
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I wholeheartedly agree with what Carragher said. Every word. We are a total and utter embarrassment of a club.
Me too, and he's not someone that has an axe to grind with us. It's just what it is.
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Carragher has just said SSN that no other Premier League Manager would want a single player from Villa's Squad...I have said this all season... to a man not one of our players would get in an opposition eleven. Scandalous!
He can get fucked quite frankly
Carragher was reacting to what he saw on the pitch today. In that context he was correct.
He can still go fuck himself
He can bum his chum Stevie G.
A Cary Grant/Randolph Scott friendship if ever there was one.
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Carragher has just said SSN that no other Premier League Manager would want a single player from Villa's Squad...I have said this all season... to a man not one of our players would get in an opposition eleven. Scandalous!
He can get fucked quite frankly
Carragher was reacting to what he saw on the pitch today. In that context he was correct.
He can still go fuck himself
Yep, he can, but he's still spot on though.
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We have an owner with no previous experience of running a football club, who naively gave free reign to his first manager. We have recently appointed a Chairman who has no experience of running a football club.
Our current CEO has no previous experience of running a football club, neither did his predecessor.
In the summer we replaced our only proven Premiership footballers with mostly unproven players from another country. We had previously tried, unsuccessfully, the same principle with 'young and hungry (cheap)' players from lower leagues. We gave extended contracts to the remnants of those players, who were clearly not good enough, while failing to give contracts to some who were.
This time last year we replaced our incoherent manager, with a cockney chancer who had less than 6 months experience. A man ridiculed by both fans and press alike for his limited tactical ability. We've replaced him with a foreign manager with no previous experience of managing a Premier League club (never mind one in free fall). Who they then failed to back.
I genuinely feel sorry for Remi, he's been let down by players he has no responsibility for and has been hung out to dry by those running the club.
It takes a special level of incompetence to do all this and lose close on £250m in the process.
Despite all of this, there is no excuse for what we witnessed today.
Many of the team today are not good enough (Bunn, Sinclair, Lescott, Westwood, Gil, Gabby, Clark, Richardson, Hutton, Guzan) we have a few players who are maybe good enough (Cissokho, Okore, Gana, Veretout) but I cannot forgive those players who not good enough and clearly do not give a fuck (Richards, Bacuna). The former is supposed to be the club captain.
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Can we get that nutter bloke to wait outside the coach again and see if theres a reaction on the pitch?
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Not one of our players would guarantee a start in ny other team in the league. Carragher is right. Don't be blinded by the fact that he's a scouser.
That defeat today came from awful defending. Liverpool got into a great position not because they earned it, but because we gave it them. From 2/3-0 we gave up and 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' found it easier.
We don't help ourselves.
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Can we get that nutter bloke to wait outside the coach again and see if theres a reaction on the pitch?
I don't think it will be enough.
A blockade of dead sheep, on fire, like the French used to do back in the day.
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Can somebody please explain why Doug sold AVFC to this American clown?
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A blockade of dead sheep, on fire, like the French used to do back in the day.
Wasn't that just the once in 1990?
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Can somebody please explain why Doug sold AVFC to this American clown?
Because at the time he genuinly thought he would be good for the future of our club.
After the first 3/4 years did any of us disagree ?
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(http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article842921.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Randy%20Lerner)
Just Fuck Off. Fuck Off right now.
This.
You've ruined our club, now f*ck off ASAP
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And take Fox and the other incompetents with you
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This is the worst defeat I have seen inflicted upon us at home. I missed the Woodcock bucket of goals game when Arsenal pummeled us. Well we have been filling the bucket ...no...skip full of shit for 5 seasons now and I think we can cover it up today. This humiliation is galling behind belief.
Absolutely. In my experience lots of managers in industry and elsewhere, including foootbsll talk a good game and appear stand up but ultimately lack either the experience or the balls to get things moving. Garde is one of these, for sure. Time for Nigel Pearce to come on board and control of player recruitment at AVFC given back to the manager. Maybe then it might be possible to salvage this Yankee fuck up
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Can somebody please explain why Doug sold AVFC to this American clown?
Because at the time he genuinly thought he would be good for the future of our club.
After the first 3/4 years did any of us disagree ?
I agree that he's presiding over an absolute shambles at the moment, but we need to remind ourselves that, as Andy_Lochhead says, many of us believed in him and his vision for the club in those early years. We liked the fact that he appreciated the "proud history", that he supported the manager, that he smartened up the rather shabby appearance of the ground and that he supported local charities. Did anyone think Doug had got it wrong at the time?
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This is the worst defeat I have seen inflicted upon us at home. I missed the Woodcock bucket of goals game when Arsenal pummeled us. Well we have been filling the bucket ...no...skip full of shit for 5 seasons now and I think we can cover it up today. This humiliation is galling behind belief.
Absolutely. In my experience lots of managers in industry and elsewhere, including foootbsll talk a good game and appear stand up but ultimately lack either the experience or the balls to get things moving. Garde is one of these, for sure. Time for Nigel Pearce to come on board and control of player recruitment at AVFC given back to the manager. Maybe then it might be possible to salvage this Yankee fuck up
Yet again - please keep nationality out of it.
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Comes to something when the biggest Villa cheer of the day was when the opposition substitute came on.
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Howe would be my choice. He'd come as well
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We have an owner with no previous experience of running a football club, who naively gave free reign to his first manager. We have recently appointed a Chairman who has no experience of running a football club.
Our current CEO has no previous experience of running a football club, neither did his predecessor.
In the summer we replaced our only proven Premiership footballers with mostly unproven players from another country. We had previously tried, unsuccessfully, the same principle with 'young and hungry (cheap)' players from lower leagues. We gave extended contracts to the remnants of those players, who were clearly not good enough, while failing to give contracts to some who were.
This time last year we replaced our incoherent manager, with a cockney chancer who had less than 6 months experience. A man ridiculed by both fans and press alike for his limited tactical ability. We've replaced him with a foreign manager with no previous experience of managing a Premier League club (never mind one in free fall). Who they then failed to back.
I genuinely feel sorry for Remi, he's been let down by players he has no responsibility for and has been hung out to dry by those running the club.
It takes a special level of incompetence to do all this and lose close on £250m in the process.
Despite all of this, there is no excuse for what we witnessed today.
Many of the team today are not good enough (Bunn, Sinclair, Lescott, Westwood, Gil, Gabby, Clark, Richardson, Hutton, Guzan) we have a few players who are maybe good enough (Cissokho, Okore, Gana, Veretout) but I cannot forgive those players who not good enough and clearly do not give a fuck (Richards, Bacuna). The former is supposed to be the club captain.
This is more or less exactly my view and I couldn't have put it better. We are, as a club, an enfeebled punchbag for the rest of the Premiership and have become a disrespected laughing stock, mocked and taunted by all those who've waited a long time for us to be this bad. They have had to wait until an incompetent buffoon bought us because before then we had professionalism and pride that set us apart from a lot of our rivals, particularly the local ones, and while they mistook our pride for conceit and arrogance, they respected us, albeit through gritted teeth. Now, because of the wilful incompetence of those who own and manage this grand old club, the last vestiges of respect have gone. Lerner's Villa, not my Villa I'll have you know, is rotten to the core, represented by millionaire mediocrities on the pitch and out of their depth misfits off it. He has brought us this low, nobody else. This hideous mutation he has created, his Aston Villa, is something I am now deeply ashamed of. I'm not guilty about saying that because I still love the club. I just loathe Lerner's club and more or less everybody who is a part of it. It's an alien being that I'm no longer associated with in any meaningful sense. Of course, I'm still emotionally attached to the Villa, but that's miles away from caring about Lerner's mutation. Two completely different concepts that are currently overlapping.
I await Lerner's eventual disappearance and then the long and winding road to resurrect the Villa I love will have to begin.
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I've been badly ill all weekend.
Led in the sickbed, I was watching the game on the iPad and turned it off after the second goal.
I woke up about 5 ish and saw the BBC page that I'd had open said 0-2. Not too bad considering how crap we'd defended.
Then I refreshed the page......
Let's face it the players are just here for the exceedingly big bucks, Ferraris, Porches, Merc FWD's etc. Not one of them could give a fuck for AVFC. Win or lose the money just keeps rolling in.
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Howe would be my choice. He'd come as well
Do you think he would? I'm not being sarky/funny...I just can't see any manager worth his salt would risk his reputation with this current gaggle of clueless clowns at the helm.
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Howe would be my choice. He'd come as well
Don or Sir Geoffrey ?
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Howe would be my choice. He'd come as well
Do you think he would? I'm not being sarky/funny...I just can't see any manager worth his salt would risk his reputation with this current gaggle of clueless clowns at the helm.
He's done some frankly astonishing things for Bournemouth and he's loyal to them but we're not Burnley. Nearest thing to SGT. i think he'd go through this club like a dose of salts
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Howe would be my choice. He'd come as well
I fear Don would struggle to get his message across.
Still be better at left back than Richardson though.
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Howe would be my choice. He'd come as well
Do you think he would? I'm not being sarky/funny...I just can't see any manager worth his salt would risk his reputation with this current gaggle of clueless clowns at the helm.
He's done some frankly astonishing things for Bournemouth and he's loyal to them but we're not Burnley. Nearest thing to SGT. i think he'd go through this club like a dose of salts
He'd face the same problems as all the others.
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Howe would be my choice. He'd come as well
Do you think he would? I'm not being sarky/funny...I just can't see any manager worth his salt would risk his reputation with this current gaggle of clueless clowns at the helm.
He's done some frankly astonishing things for Bournemouth and he's loyal to them but we're not Burnley. Nearest thing to SGT. i think he'd go through this club like a dose of salts
He'd face the same problems as all the others.
nah, it would be like SGT. He's doing them a favour not the other way round like lambert, TSG, Sherwood. Finally a manager with a bit of clout
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Howe would be my choice. He'd come as well
I fear Don would struggle to get his message across.
Still be better at left back than Richardson though.
I think he would not be able to make his presence felt!
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The board is structured that the football manager is bottom of the pile.
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The board is structured that the football manager is bottom of the pile.
Things change. Doug used to employ yes-men until he got relegated. Then he changed his mind.
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It could be worse. It could rain.
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I am surprised Garde is still with us, he was obviously done over in January I suspect by the new chairman, in his own best interests he should walk now, integrity comes before money and the supporters will understand and sympathise.
To his critics I would say this looking at the squad available today who would you have played that would have made a difference? play the kids I hear well Lyden got his chance second half and looked out of his depth, I haven't read of any other youngster that is knocking the door down. All that Garde can do is change the deck chairs, when I see players that were once ours playing for opposition teams it just reinforces how far we have fallen.
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It could be worse. It could rain.
Snowing here. There won't be enough to build a snowman though.
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It could be worse. It could rain.
Snowing here. There won't be enough to build a snowman though.
Can you try anyway, and build one that play CF please? And another for RB. And RM. And CB. And CM.
Remi Garde's snowman army, Remi Garde's snowman army!
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What was difficult to stomach was the inept performance of several players today. It was also pretty awful seeing toure header go in unchallenged and far far too easy. I found veretout contribution in the match pitiful and he was played out of position lost on the left. He really didn't offer anything apart from one showboat back heel. Gana was industrious and combativtive but sadly lacking in passing numerous occasions but would suggest to Jamie carragher than he is one player would play at prm level or top lel in other nations leagues. Cara also talking rubbish to say we are the worst he's seen in prem when Sunderland and derby were far worse. And I think he played against those teams its a downright liberty for his comments when the chap Henry sitting next to him put him on his backside every time they played and humiliated him .
Back to the match .
Gil can be busy but so ineffectual an dlighteight it pains me to say he's both not suited to premier league bustle and to agree with Sherwood that he's not right player for a relegation battle.
The team itself saw Gil ahead of agbonlahor at times and even leading the line that wasn't right and I do feel that Sinclair should have come on at half time. He at least showed something and was unlucky not to score. I found Richards play interesting today wants to take on the world with dribbles and lescott showed some spirit and had a few forrays forward but ultimately not good enough. Westwood shows both his frustration and limits ability today but he's capable of playing in championship so can continue. I not entirely sure what happened with agbonlahor and he wasn't given much support despite winning a fe flick ons. I think Garde kept his counsel and was obviously disappointed like the players .
I also think Liverpool weren't even so great today and did what they needed to do. Was emotional seeing big Ben back and milner was class in not celebrating. I think the firsttrouble we have now on such a showing is that matches against decent attacking players can struggle .
This was a very poor performance and I think there is need to put in players who are going to show some fight even of there quality is lacking or no experience.
Well done to lyden today coming on and being steady can't be easy in circumstance but he gave some verbals to the ref assistance showing his passion.
Bunn did what he could today but could be at faukt for the free kick second goal. He can't be totally blamed but didn't have much else to do apart from a few good saves. The clyne goal which summd up veretout lassirz faire attitude was annoying for bunn .
That was the problem some good work undone by stupidity .
I fear Garde is the right manager at the wrong time. The situation does require a experienced manager and the right players to be motivated .
Next season if it is the case villa go down the good players can be developed and those who have failed or aren't wanting to support can be moved on.
Overall very disappointing the manner of the defeat and that their is a lack of attacking intent yet again . I d rather lose 4-2 than 6-0 by giving it a go .
It's really a case of do or die and have a go time as the goals and flair need to be shown. I rather have a straight forward approach to matches but think Garde will continue with the play where there is a lack of width and less final ball passing
The next week is off thank goodness and hopefully a chance to reflect and sort out some shambles.
Going to watch motd2 now see the analysis they give .
Villa are a great club an dthat should always be recognized to see the laughter and humiliing defeat must say something to learner. It's not right what happened today let alone the last few seasons . if anything can be salvaged for the season let's hope the break does so and a performance not seen like that I 81 years doesn't happen again in our lifetimes
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I would just walk were so shit its like 1968 again
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Oh I've just turned on to see Tim sherwood on motd2... I'll be interested to his comments i f villa have t been on yet as thought programme started at 1030
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The only amusing part of the day was the Liverpool celebrity fans page in the programe, two of which are apparently Brad Pitt and Pope John Paul II.
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Okore for the 3rd was fucking embarrasing!
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I've got to the point of thinking we've been a shit, pointless premier league club for too long now. Maybe we need to drop down a division or two, have a bit of a purge, and start being a club to be proud of again.
There's worse thing that could happen, like another five years like the last.
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You can say the same thing about our 'defending' for all the goals. Liverpool didn't have to work to get any of their goals, we more or less handed it to them. Normally we only gift one goal per game, today we excelled in our generosity.
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I've got to the point of thinking we've been a shit, pointless premier league club for too long now. Maybe we need to drop down a division or two, have a bit of a purge, and start being a club to be proud of again.
There's worse thing that could happen, like another five years like the last.
I have to agree. It's been wretched down at VP for nigh on five years now and of course there's no guarantee it'll get better (it could get worse), I'm prepared to take the chance that relegation could actually rid us of much of the scar tissue we've carried with us. I'll get the same buzz if I see us beat Rotherham as I do Norwich...I just want to see us win more often.
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The only amusing part of the day was the Liverpool celebrity fans page in the programe, two of which are apparently Brad Pitt and Pope John Paul II.
How come all the programme stalls were sold out yet only 35,000 were there today. Have Villa reduced the print run or something?
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The only amusing part of the day was the Liverpool celebrity fans page in the programe, two of which are apparently Brad Pitt and Pope John Paul II.
How come all the programme stalls were sold out yet only 35,000 were there today. Have Villa reduced the print run or something?
Probably. I'd say programme sales are down at all clubs. I just think they're going out of fashion in these digital download days.
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I've got to the point of thinking we've been a shit, pointless premier league club for too long now. Maybe we need to drop down a division or two, have a bit of a purge, and start being a club to be proud of again.
There's worse thing that could happen, like another five years like the last.
I've felt like that for about a year.
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I've got to the point of thinking we've been a shit, pointless premier league club for too long now. Maybe we need to drop down a division or two, have a bit of a purge, and start being a club to be proud of again.
There's worse thing that could happen, like another five years like the last.
What makes you think Lerner's Villa are set for a glorious rebirth in the Championship?
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I've got to the point of thinking we've been a shit, pointless premier league club for too long now. Maybe we need to drop down a division or two, have a bit of a purge, and start being a club to be proud of again.
There's worse thing that could happen, like another five years like the last.
I have to politely disagree on the focus of your post- "we" haven't been a shit, pointless Premier League club, it's our owners who have been utterly shit and who have run us appallingly. "We" don't need to drop down, it's the custodian who need to hold his hands up, act with honour and integrity and fall on his sword. As for the purge, with Randy Lerner overseeing it, expect another five years like the last. He is totally incompetent.
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Would we be any more proud of a Villa in the Championship, beating the shit of the land like Birmingham? I know it's becoming a thing of the past but I'd much rather be proud of us in the Premiership. The problem is that the board seem to vehemently disagree with me.
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The only amusing part of the day was the Liverpool celebrity fans page in the programe, two of which are apparently Brad Pitt and Pope John Paul II.
How come all the programme stalls were sold out yet only 35,000 were there today. Have Villa reduced the print run or something?
Probably. I'd say programme sales are down at all clubs. I just think they're going out of fashion in these digital download days.
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Odd.
My last purchase under this regime. I've bought them religiously for over 20 years but I've stopped now. I ony bought it t check on the U21's and U18's of late but tats it after today. No merch under this regime.
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I've got to the point of thinking we've been a shit, pointless premier league club for too long now. Maybe we need to drop down a division or two, have a bit of a purge, and start being a club to be proud of again.
There's worse thing that could happen, like another five years like the last.
What makes you think Lerner's Villa are set for a glorious rebirth in the Championship?
No idea, but I see relegation as part of the warp and weft of being in a league. I've no doubt we'd still all be here, and I reckon I'd enjoy the change, at least for a season or two. I'll take the chance ahead of the current situation.
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I'm pissed apologies all. We're shit. 6-0 we are cack.
Discuss
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I've got to the point of thinking we've been a shit, pointless premier league club for too long now. Maybe we need to drop down a division or two, have a bit of a purge, and start being a club to be proud of again.
There's worse thing that could happen, like another five years like the last.
I have to politely disagree on the focus of your post- "we" haven't been a shit, pointless Premier League club, it's our owners who have been utterly shit and who have run us appallingly. "We" don't need to drop down, it's the custodian who need to hold his hands up, act with honour and integrity and fall on his sword. As for the purge, with Randy Lerner overseeing it, expect another five years like the last. He is totally incompetent.
That's fair enough - I take your point. I just want something to change for the 'better', and sometimes things have to get worse before they do.
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The only good thing for me was winning 40 quid on backing Sturridge to score. It was such a no brainier of a bet at 2 to 1
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The last two matches I've been to were today and the Man City cup game so that's 10 goals conceded with no reply.
Today was especially diabolical though. Four goals in 13 minutes. Although they were all truly shocking today, Bacuna was absolutely shocking. I don't condone booing one of our players when he gets the ball but I can understand why people were doing it.
The highlight for me, if there can be one, was the singing for the last 10 minutes in the Holte upper where we were. Six nil down and still singing. I felt proud to be a part of that. The club really doesn't deserve our support but there we are loud and proud and we'll still be there when these fuckwits have gone.
VTID.
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Don't think Bacuna was that much worse than the rest of the midfield.
All 5 were absolutely woeful.
For the last few weeks I've been questioning my sanity and thought I might be missed something with Gana, Veretout and Gill.
Today restored my self belief, I was right all along - they're as fucking useless as the rest.
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Total embarrassment. Consequences? Let's wait and see. I think they have given up and will be in for a few batterings between now and the end of the season. I honestly can't see us winning another game with the current attitude.
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Their was a moment early in the second half were we broke and Gil skipped past about 3 of there players, not one of the useless twats moved for him, Gabby stood still the whole time marked by two defendees, nobody was busting a gut to get forward from midfield, nobody went out wide to make space, nothing happened, they all hid, nobody wanted that ball at a time when we were having a 5 minute spell, they should've been busting a gut to get forward, there is no professional pride in that squad at all, losing is engraved in them and they don't have the bollocks to even attempt to turn it around.
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Just watching an episode of Embarrassing Bodies and a lady has just had 7lbs of breast tissue removed. Now she would definitely be an upgrade on Bacuna.
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Imagine being this chap! https://twitter.com/steveladgrove/status/698783267890339840
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If Garde walks were fucked. No manager is going to come anywhere near this car crash no one decent anyway
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Pearson yuk
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Today was a true reflection of what Aston Villa has become, it is a reflection of Randy Lerner and if allowed the league should let us play the remaining games where that man is still custodian as Randy Lerner Football Club, not as Aston Villa, the stain that is being left by his incompetence will last for many years and those that think relegation will be the pinnacle of his incompetence are in for a shock. Lerner brought Hollis in for cuts, cuts and more cuts whatever division we are in.
When he finally totters off, whatever division we are in, we then may still have a club to resurrect, aint gonna happen with him here.
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You are right about Hollis Kuwait. Ads summed it up perfectly when he called him our 'de facto administrator'.
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undertaker is probably more accurate
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It makes me cringe to read or see anything at all about Aston Villa since that debacle yesterday.We have finally reached rock bottom and there is no way out that I can see.If I was Remi Garde I would resign this morning .I am afraid this job is too much for him and probably too much for anybody.
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*Can't be arsed to read back if already posted.
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If I was Remi Garde I would pick the kids next game and send a message to the main core of 16 crap players. Let them get experience for next season, so we know which kids is worth using for complete rebuild of team.
I'm sure they can't do any worse. The relationship between the current sack of shit players and the support has completely broken down. Perhaps explains why most of them can't be bothered. I'd rather we put out 11 players who give their all and get thumped than 11 half-arsed over-paid twats.
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Wow. It looked even worse on telly than when I was at the game. It reminded me of coming back from an away game in the nineties on a day when Blackburn had stuck seven past Norwich and Danny Baker on 606 reckoned MOTD should show all the goals three times. At normal speed, in slow motion and then at double speed accompanied by the Benny Hill theme tune. Watching MOTD last night it felt like they had done that. There was some trouble in front of me in the lower North. I think half a dozen female half and half scarf day trippers may have celebrated a Liverpool goal and wound some people up but I was a bit too dazed to really know or even care what was going on by then. I picked a hell of a year to stop drinking.
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Where did this performance come from? We were in the top quarter of the form ladder and had been battling well.
I wonder about Okore's comments. Did they come after something happened behind the scenes? Or were the Okore comments disheartening or dispiriting, echoing the concerns a number of players have about not being offered contracts and their futures in general?
Or is confidence so low, that a single set-back early in a game is enough to trigger a collapse - the players not having confidence in each other. I noted, with surprise and concern, Garde's comments about the strength of the Liverpool team on paper. Perhaps they all thought before the game, including Garde, that they had no chance of winning.
Whatever the reason, a key issue is on-field leadership. Evidently, there is none.
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Where did this performance come from? We were in the top quarter of the form ladder and had been battling well.
I wonder about Okore's comments. Did they come after something happened behind the scenes? Or were the Okore comments disheartening or dispiriting, echoing the concerns a number of players have about not being offered contracts and their futures in general?
Or is confidence so low, that a single set-back early in a game is enough to trigger a collapse - the players not having confidence in each other. I noted, with surprise and concern, Garde's comments about the strength of the Liverpool team on paper. Perhaps they all thought before the game, including Garde, that they had no chance of winning.
Whatever the reason, a key issue is on-field leadership. Evidently, there is none.
On field or off field, I think the word leadership was deleted from the Villa dictionary quite a while back.
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This is one of many times I've posted early Monday following a Villa embarrassment about the thought of facing some of the most one eyed Villa hating twats you could wish to meet at where I work, right here we go Once more unto the breach dear friends
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Pitiful, embarrassing, spineless. Nothing else to say.
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I am just about calming down. I still have no idea how that performance came about. We have all seen the defensive improvement and it has last a couple of months and around ten games - it was no flash in the pan. But yesterday, the back four was absolutely atrocious and we were as predictably toothless coming forward as we always are. Nobody played even slightly well - Gana won the ball a fair bit but always gave it back. Bacuna was appalling, Westwood pointless until he started kicking people up in the air when he realised he wasn't good enough. Gil slow and one dimensional, Gabby quickly realising he can't cut it anymore so did a runner, Richards strolling about, Veretout not anywhere near as good as we hoped he was becoming. Just awful, topped off by our goalkeeper who has been an accident waiting to happen and two centre halves who catastrophically lost the plot.
Can we run a poll for which was the worst goal to concede? The City collection was bad but this just beggared belief:
Goal 1 - two players advance unchallenged down our right. Have 10 yards and 10 seconds to pick out a cross. The only player they have in the box finds five yards of space six yards out. Woeful.
Goal 2 - Innocuous ball in from a free kick, Okore ducks because he clearly had a call from Bunn who then fails to land a finger on it. Ball nestles in the corner. Ridiculous.
Goal 3 - The only decent finish of the day but all came from Bacuna lazily giving the ball away and our defence then panicking and getting themselves in a right pickle. Pathetic.
Goal 4 - Their full back ghosts into our box completely unchallenged after Veretout let him go. Fuck knows where Cissokho and Lescott are too, Bunn saves one but we contrive to trickle it back into the path of the full back so he can poke it in. Embarrassing.
Goal 5 - The simplest through ball gives a player who has been on the pitch for ten seconds a clear run on goal, unopposed from 40 yards out. He scuffs the shot, it doesn't matter. Shitcake.
Goal 6 - Corner, taken Westwood style. After watching corners like that for four years without ever looking like scoring from them, we concede to one in the most laughable circumstances. Donkey centre half, stood rooted to the spot. No pressure in front, behind or to the side of him. Shitcake.
It's a close one, but I would probably go for goal 6. Never known defending like it in all my time, biggest home defeat for 81 years. Happy fricking Valentine's. Now if Cupid could turn his arrow on a few foreheads around the boardroom and playing staff, that would be great.
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This is one of many times I've posted early Monday following a Villa embarrassment about the thought of facing some of the most one eyed Villa hating twats you could wish to meet at where I work, right here we go Once more unto the breach dear friends
Feel for ya mate. I'm on site with the biggest wanker I know tomorrow, he tlks about the Villa more than I do. He might be getting a hammer over the head.
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I was out of the door after the third goal, I just didn't see the point of wasting any more time on that pathetic rabble. After years of sticking it out to the bitter end that is twice in recent weeks I have bailed early. I was back in the house before four. Roll on the Summer so I can stop wasting my time on this shit for a couple of months.
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I was out of the door after the third goal, I just didn't see the point of wasting any more time on that pathetic rabble. After years of sticking it out to the bitter end that is twice in recent weeks I have bailed early. I was back in the house before four. Roll on the Summer so I can stop wasting my time on this shit for a couple of months.
I left when the fifth went in. Beat the queue at Ali Baba's kebab shop and drove home in record time. Every cloud and all that.
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After holding fire yesteday, here goes.
I’m still shell-shocked having watched a mediocre Liverpool side enjoy their training game against the once-mighty Villa.
After 5 minutes, I said to my mate that I thought our team looked lethargic and disinterested. Which begs the question: what the hell is going on behind the scenes, to create such a negative mindset for the players?
Shit, we should have been raring to go, after last week! We might not have a particularly strong team but Garde seemed to instilled some discipline and focus on it. The defensive lapses were horrible; and we have been writing that for the last 5-6 seasons. How is it possible that players cannot be drilled to defend set pieces effectively?!
We’re down and out; that’s for sure. The problem now is that – with an accountant as Chairman – this regime will probably hunker down and continue the cost-cutting; much like the January transfer window (yes, the one in which Big Sam invested in 4 new players, all of whom played so well in beating ManUre on Saturday). So, the short-term and medium-term outlook seem pretty bleak.
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I was out of the door after the third goal, I just didn't see the point of wasting any more time on that pathetic rabble. After years of sticking it out to the bitter end that is twice in recent weeks I have bailed early. I was back in the house before four. Roll on the Summer so I can stop wasting my time on this shit for a couple of months.
I left when the fifth went in. Beat the queue at Ali Baba's kebab shop and drove home in record time. Every cloud and all that.
These days its best to stay for the full 90 minutes to miss the queues going home.
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Is it really less than 12 months since we played Liverpool off the park at Wembley? It seems like about a million years ago.
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The atmosphere during the last 10-15 minutes was absolutely surreal, almost a thing of beauty. We had all surrendered to the inevitable but were making some noise nonetheless.
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It makes me cringe to read or see anything at all about Aston Villa since that debacle yesterday.We have finally reached rock bottom
Sadly I don't think we are anywhere near rock bottom yet.
The club is such a fucking basket case I think we will continue to embarrass next season too.
Lerner, Fox, Reilly, Almstadt - I don't give a shit what their job titles are, they have put together a master class in abysmal management.
Lerner - who I genuinely think is stupid, at least when it comes to business - has spent a quarter of a billion pounds plus turning a basket case club into an even bigger fucking mess.
We are still seeing it now what with him 'persuading' a regional accountant who doesn't even like football to be our chairman.
What sort of brief are we imagining someone with that background has?
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I think the January transfer window proved what brief Hollis has been given by Lerner. Don't spend any more of my money.
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It makes me cringe to read or see anything at all about Aston Villa since that debacle yesterday.We have finally reached rock bottom
Sadly I don't think we are anywhere near rock bottom yet.
The club is such a fucking basket case I think we will continue to embarrass next season too.
Lerner, Fox, Reilly, Almstadt - I don't give a shit what their job titles are, they have put together a master class in abysmal management.
Lerner - who I genuinely think is stupid, at least when it comes to business - has spent a quarter of a billion pounds plus turning a basket case club into an even bigger fucking mess.
We are still seeing it now what with him 'persuading' a regional accountant who doesn't even like football to be our chairman.
What sort of brief are we imagining someone with that background has?
Stupidity is one thing, but it's compounded by arrogance, apathy, cowardice and fecklessness. It's a catastrophic combination. All this "he wants to sell" bullshit. I honestly don't think he knows what he wants to do from one minute to the next, except screw his eyes tight, put his hands over his ears, make a loud noise, and pretend Aston Villa will just go away.
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Comes to something when the biggest Villa cheer of the day was when the opposition substitute came on.
I found the applause for Benteke cringeable to be honest as I felt it signified how far we have fallen I also had to endure him applauding the 5th goal right in front of me as he warmed up, it was at this point I left.
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I'm cheering myself up this week by locking myself in a dark room and listening to my Leonard Cohen collection.
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Comes to something when the biggest Villa cheer of the day was when the opposition substitute came on.
I found the applause for Benteke cringeable to be honest as I felt it signified how far we have fallen I also had to endure him applauding the 5th goal right in front of me as he warmed up, it was at this point I left.
I thought it was fair enough. If it wasn't for him, we'd have probably been in the championship a couple of season's ago.
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Comes to something when the biggest Villa cheer of the day was when the opposition substitute came on.
I found the applause for Benteke cringeable to be honest as I felt it signified how far we have fallen I also had to endure him applauding the 5th goal right in front of me as he warmed up, it was at this point I left.
I thought it was fair enough. If it wasn't for him, we'd have probably been in the championship a couple of season's ago.
I've got nothing against CB, it just made me feel sad that we were applauding an ex player when we were getting absolutely mullered and he himself was applauding the mullering
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I can't remember feeling so shell-shocked after a football match. I thought we were down months ago, but I now realise I was still in denial. Not any more. This morning I've had a think about what other experience(s) I've had that compare to this feeling - & the only thing that kept going through my mind was bereavement of a loved-one. I then argued with myself that to draw such a comparison is ridiculous and a complete over-reaction to a bunch of wasters who attempt to kick a ball through a couple of poles (and fail dismally), but then I realised such hyperbole was actually appropriate whether I wanted it to be or not. The football club I have loved dearly all my life has not just been relegated in all but name: it's been destroyed by the gross stupidity & incompetence of one man and his pathetic whims. So thanks for killing this wonderful football club Mr Lerner. May you burn in Hell for eternity. Bastard.
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If I was Remi Garde I would pick the kids next game and send a message to the main core of 16 crap players. Let them get experience for next season, so we know which kids is worth using for complete rebuild of team.
If I was Remi garde I would never pick Bacuna ( park player ) again but I have been saying this for mths
but he keeps starting
this is one thing that I donty understand about GArde
plus why his hes team so passive and weak and he just stands there doing or saying nothing . At least you see Wenger spit his dummy out.
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I'm cheering myself up this week by locking myself in a dark room and listening to my Leonard Cohen collection.
Funnily enough I'm doing a similar thing, but to the cheery tones of the Black Sabbath catalogue. It also has the advantage of being particularly appropriate after yesterday's debacle. ;)
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I can't remember feeling so shell-shocked after a football match. I thought we were down months ago, but I now realise I was still in denial. Not any more. This morning I've had a think about what other experience(s) I've had that compare to this feeling - & the only thing that kept going through my mind was bereavement of a loved-one. I then argued with myself that to draw such a comparison is ridiculous and a complete over-reaction to a bunch of wasters who attempt to kick a ball through a couple of poles (and fail dismally), but then I realised such hyperbole was actually appropriate whether I wanted it to be or not. The football club I have loved dearly all my life has not just been relegated in all but name: it's been destroyed by the gross stupidity & incompetence of one man and his pathetic whims. So thanks for killing this wonderful football club Mr Lerner. May you burn in Hell for eternity. Bastard.
This articulates my feelings perfectly. Nothing more to add really.
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I'm cheering myself up this week by locking myself in a dark room and listening to my Leonard Cohen collection.
Fuck it. I'm getting my lycra on and dancing around the house to Tight Fit. All welcome.
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I can't remember feeling so shell-shocked after a football match. I thought we were down months ago, but I now realise I was still in denial. Not any more. This morning I've had a think about what other experience(s) I've had that compare to this feeling - & the only thing that kept going through my mind was bereavement of a loved-one. I then argued with myself that to draw such a comparison is ridiculous and a complete over-reaction to a bunch of wasters who attempt to kick a ball through a couple of poles (and fail dismally), but then I realised such hyperbole was actually appropriate whether I wanted it to be or not. The football club I have loved dearly all my life has not just been relegated in all but name: it's been destroyed by the gross stupidity & incompetence of one man and his pathetic whims. So thanks for killing this wonderful football club Mr Lerner. May you burn in Hell for eternity. Bastard.
May I suggest you re-organise your sense of priorities if you really feel that way.
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I can't remember feeling so shell-shocked after a football match. I thought we were down months ago, but I now realise I was still in denial. Not any more. This morning I've had a think about what other experience(s) I've had that compare to this feeling - & the only thing that kept going through my mind was bereavement of a loved-one. I then argued with myself that to draw such a comparison is ridiculous and a complete over-reaction to a bunch of wasters who attempt to kick a ball through a couple of poles (and fail dismally), but then I realised such hyperbole was actually appropriate whether I wanted it to be or not. The football club I have loved dearly all my life has not just been relegated in all but name: it's been destroyed by the gross stupidity & incompetence of one man and his pathetic whims. So thanks for killing this wonderful football club Mr Lerner. May you burn in Hell for eternity. Bastard.
Comparing relegation to the loss of a loved one? It doesn't even come close.
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No Clampy to you it does not, I also would not put it in that context, but there are a few people who all they have in life is Aston Villa, it is where they see there friends, where they escape the dull monotony of daily work life, what gives them something to talk about, think about, dream, look at peoples faces in the semi final win last season, maybe not to all but to some and their way of expressing that feeling is down to them, not you or me.
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No it doesn't but it's only a couple of rungs down.
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Don't worry guys it's not like we needed to buy any players in January or anything, everything's fine!
Yeah we needed a striker in January but yet the clueless fool Garde concentrated on a goalkeeper which we aren't desperate for and wanted to spend over the odds for a half season loan of a right back which once again we don't need. He can't see what's infront of him desperate for a striker but focuses in the positions we don't need replacing.
Oh and he also has no motivational skills what so ever this game proves that. 2:0 at half time just like Sunderland were he should have fired them up to get an early goal in the second half but he is incapable of that. We should have stuck with Sherwood if moyes wasn't available.
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Feel so sorry for Remi! What do people expect him to change? What else could he of done yesterday, what tactics / line up would you of changed!
Guy in the Holte next to me was shouting at the fans all game for singing Remi's name and questioning his management?
Yes it has been terrible but my goodness who else would want the job?
The last 15 minutes of the game were superb! What an atmosphere in the Holte! Scarfs being waved "Everywhere we goooo, Everywhere we gooo, were the villa boys, making all the noise"
Remarkable considering we were 6-0 down!
UTV# FU*KOFFLERNER
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No Clampy to you it does not, I also would not put it in that context, but there are a few people who all they have in life is Aston Villa, it is where they see there friends, where they escape the dull monotony of daily work life, what gives them something to talk about, think about, dream, look at peoples faces in the semi final win last season, maybe not to all but to some and their way of expressing that feeling is down to them, not you or me.
But all that's probably going to happen is that we'll be playing football in a different division. Once a loved one has gone, you never see them ever again. That's the difference.
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Don't worry guys it's not like we needed to buy any players in January or anything, everything's fine!
Yeah we needed a striker in January but yet the clueless fool Garde concentrated on a goalkeeper which we aren't desperate for and wanted to spend over the odds for a half season loan of a right back which once again we don't need. He can't see what's infront of him desperate for a striker but focuses in the positions we don't need replacing.
Oh and he also has no motivational skills what so ever this game proves that. 2:0 at half time just like Sunderland were he should have fired them up to get an early goal in the second half but he is incapable of that. We should have stuck with Sherwood if moyes wasn't available.
Yep good analysis. Our problems are due to the clueless fool
Garde.
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Don't worry guys it's not like we needed to buy any players in January or anything, everything's fine!
Yeah we needed a striker in January but yet the clueless fool Garde concentrated on a goalkeeper which we aren't desperate for and wanted to spend over the odds for a half season loan of a right back which once again we don't need. He can't see what's infront of him desperate for a striker but focuses in the positions we don't need replacing.
Oh and he also has no motivational skills what so ever this game proves that. 2:0 at half time just like Sunderland were he should have fired them up to get an early goal in the second half but he is incapable of that. We should have stuck with Sherwood if moyes wasn't available.
I think we do need a goalkeeper and we also need a right back. I think many people would agree on that.
It's not to say we don't need a striker because we do do but it certainly isn't either/or.
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Our problems are down to Remi Garde? The clubs fans are brilliant, but wow there ridiculous some times.
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it feels like some thing really bad has happened in my life,some thing i have no control over.i have had tears of joy in my my eyes many times watching the villa,but yesterday when the sixth goal went in i had tears rolling down,i knew the game was up.i was has young boy back in the late sixties thinking it all starts again .
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Is it really less than 12 months since we played Liverpool off the park at Wembley? It seems like about a million years ago.
wow really?
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Don't worry guys it's not like we needed to buy any players in January or anything, everything's fine!
Yeah we needed a striker in January but yet the clueless fool Garde concentrated on a goalkeeper which we aren't desperate for and wanted to spend over the odds for a half season loan of a right back which once again we don't need. He can't see what's infront of him desperate for a striker but focuses in the positions we don't need replacing.
Oh and he also has no motivational skills what so ever this game proves that. 2:0 at half time just like Sunderland were he should have fired them up to get an early goal in the second half but he is incapable of that. We should have stuck with Sherwood if moyes wasn't available.
Doumbia is a striker isn't he? And we and still are absolutely desperate for a new goalkeeper.
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Don't worry guys it's not like we needed to buy any players in January or anything, everything's fine!
Yeah we needed a striker in January but yet the clueless fool Garde concentrated on a goalkeeper which we aren't desperate for and wanted to spend over the odds for a half season loan of a right back which once again we don't need. He can't see what's infront of him desperate for a striker but focuses in the positions we don't need replacing.
Oh and he also has no motivational skills what so ever this game proves that. 2:0 at half time just like Sunderland were he should have fired them up to get an early goal in the second half but he is incapable of that. We should have stuck with Sherwood if moyes wasn't available.
He did try and sign the striker that went to Newcastle. He chose them over us.
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Yesterday, the fat lady sung - it was very loud too, very loud.
See you at Burton Albion guys.
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Some nice pubs in Burton
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I can't remember feeling so shell-shocked after a football match. I thought we were down months ago, but I now realise I was still in denial. Not any more. This morning I've had a think about what other experience(s) I've had that compare to this feeling - & the only thing that kept going through my mind was bereavement of a loved-one. I then argued with myself that to draw such a comparison is ridiculous and a complete over-reaction to a bunch of wasters who attempt to kick a ball through a couple of poles (and fail dismally), but then I realised such hyperbole was actually appropriate whether I wanted it to be or not. The football club I have loved dearly all my life has not just been relegated in all but name: it's been destroyed by the gross stupidity & incompetence of one man and his pathetic whims. So thanks for killing this wonderful football club Mr Lerner. May you burn in Hell for eternity. Bastard.
Comparing relegation to the loss of a loved one? It doesn't even come close.
I was just attempting to articulate the intensity of my feeling this morning, Clampy. I appreciate it isn't the same as losing a loved one (and my God how I miss my parents whom I've sadly lost in the last couple of years). And it's not particularly about relegation either - although that obviously hurts. It's about my love for this football club and the fact that the life & joy has been sucked out of it. I appreciate there will be many that don't feel similarly, but that's all good. In the end, we can only speak for ourselves - as ridiculous as we might well appear.
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So another nail firmly added to a coffin that will surely be confirmed before long. Worst performance in my 25 years going down and a slow and sad drive home. The only positive was I loved the last 10 minutes, that's what Aston Villa is all about. We may be shite, we may have people who don't care about what we become but we can show who we are and that we do care about this Football Club. It may be seen by some as titling at windmills but those of us who stayed to the end know what we experienced, a love that will never die.
See you at Stoke, twirling your scarf.....
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No Clampy to you it does not, I also would not put it in that context, but there are a few people who all they have in life is Aston Villa, it is where they see there friends, where they escape the dull monotony of daily work life, what gives them something to talk about, think about, dream, look at peoples faces in the semi final win last season, maybe not to all but to some and their way of expressing that feeling is down to them, not you or me.
But all that's probably going to happen is that we'll be playing football in a different division. Once a loved one has gone, you never see them ever again. That's the difference.
Perhaps a more apt analogy, would be finding out a loved one has a serious illness. The villa are sick and the custodian, can't or won't call a doctor. All we can do is watch and wait and hope there is a balm that will cure the patient, because the current neglect is looking terminal
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Don't worry guys it's not like we needed to buy any players in January or anything, everything's fine!
Yeah we needed a striker in January but yet the clueless fool Garde concentrated on a goalkeeper which we aren't desperate for and wanted to spend over the odds for a half season loan of a right back which once again we don't need. He can't see what's infront of him desperate for a striker but focuses in the positions we don't need replacing.
Oh and he also has no motivational skills what so ever this game proves that. 2:0 at half time just like Sunderland were he should have fired them up to get an early goal in the second half but he is incapable of that. We should have stuck with Sherwood if moyes wasn't available.
100%, 5 star, big time drivel.
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According to the Official Site - Gabby is/was suffering from vertigo. How in God's name did that happen?! It certainly can't have been anything to do with his Salmon-like leaps yesterday...
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Vertigo isn't only caused by heights, it's a symptom of many different brain related issues. If he really is suffereing from it them I don't envy him, I had it for a while a couple of years ago (never did find out what caused it) and it was horrible. Like being drunk and feeling sick ALL the time, I literally couldn't get up for a couple of weeks.
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Vertigo isn't only caused by heights, it's a symptom of many different brain related issues. If he really is suffereing from it them I don't envy him, I had it for a while a couple of years ago (never did find out what caused it) and it was horrible. Like being drunk and feeling sick ALL the time, I literally couldn't get up for a couple of weeks.
My mate had the same, it really fucked him up for a while.
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Some nice pubs in Burton
Nice ground - I think you can still stand.
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We are abysmal from top to bottom I didn't see that result coming no way would I have thought we would get beat 6-0 all little hope of staying up seem to be gone now.
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I can't remember feeling so shell-shocked after a football match. I thought we were down months ago, but I now realise I was still in denial. Not any more. This morning I've had a think about what other experience(s) I've had that compare to this feeling - & the only thing that kept going through my mind was bereavement of a loved-one. I then argued with myself that to draw such a comparison is ridiculous and a complete over-reaction to a bunch of wasters who attempt to kick a ball through a couple of poles (and fail dismally), but then I realised such hyperbole was actually appropriate whether I wanted it to be or not. The football club I have loved dearly all my life has not just been relegated in all but name: it's been destroyed by the gross stupidity & incompetence of one man and his pathetic whims. So thanks for killing this wonderful football club Mr Lerner. May you burn in Hell for eternity. Bastard.
Comparing relegation to the loss of a loved one? It doesn't even come close.
Of course it's not the same but in terms of all-consuming passions in life I find Villa is very high up on my emotional list. Not including deaths which is another sphere of emotion all together, some of the pain I have experienced over the past three or four years because of Villa (Lerner) has, on reflection, really taken me by surprise as I have not really experienced such footballing lows before. As an example, the 8-0 v Chelsea left me feeling absolutely sickened. I couldn't sleep properly that night (or the next few nights) and when I woke up the following morning the first thing on my mind was the scoreline and the return of that sickening feeling. This was a matter of something I love dearly being publicly humiliated like never before - it's a different kind of hurt.
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According to the Official Site - Gabby is/was suffering from vertigo. How in God's name did that happen?! It certainly can't have been anything to do with his Salmon-like leaps yesterday...
Vertigo is bloody horrible. Surprised he played any part in the game suffering from that.
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We should have stuck with Sherwood if moyes wasn't available.
Sherwood who said last night on MOTD that Newcastle were safe because they have signed Shelvey and Townsend?
Sherwood who signed Richards, Lescott and Gestede?
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Vertigo isn't only caused by heights, it's a symptom of many different brain related issues. If he really is suffereing from it them I don't envy him, I had it for a while a couple of years ago (never did find out what caused it) and it was horrible. Like being drunk and feeling sick ALL the time, I literally couldn't get up for a couple of weeks.
That sounds horrible and somewhat like the symptoms of concussion (which I've had a couple of times). I hope Gabby's gonna be ok.
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We should have stuck with Sherwood if moyes wasn't available.
Sherwood who said last night on MOTD that Newcastle were safe because they have signed Shelvey and Townsend?
Sherwood who signed Richards, Lescott and Gestede?
Who knows who he tried to sign though ? It would have taken the luck of the Olbyon to have stayed up this season.
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We should have stuck with Sherwood if moyes wasn't available.
Sherwood who said last night on MOTD that Newcastle were safe because they have signed Shelvey and Townsend?
Sherwood who signed Richards, Lescott and Gestede?
I'm sure he'd have bought better players if he was given a transfer budget worthy of Aston Villa.
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We should have stuck with Sherwood if moyes wasn't available.
Sherwood who said last night on MOTD that Newcastle were safe because they have signed Shelvey and Townsend?
Sherwood who signed Richards, Lescott and Gestede?
I'm sure he'd have bought better players if he was given a transfer budget worthy of Aston Villa.
What's a transfer budget worthy of Aston Villa?
Where does it come from?
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We should have stuck with Sherwood if moyes wasn't available.
Sherwood who said last night on MOTD that Newcastle were safe because they have signed Shelvey and Townsend?
Sherwood who signed Richards, Lescott and Gestede?
I'm sure he'd have bought better players if he was given a transfer budget worthy of Aston Villa.
He'd have already had better players had the previous managers been given the same, regardless of how useless they were personally.
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All of this mess isn't the fault of this or many of the previous managers. It's due to horrendous mistakes made at board level.
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Just rung the club and cancelled my two tickets for Man City. There is a better use of £64 to have some enjoyment and it made me very sad to do it. I said "after yesterday..." at which point the girl interjected and said "I totally understand". Call me disloyal but I can't watch any more of this shit or run the risk of switching my 12 year old off forever.
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Everything I feel has been said so I'm not going through it all again, it's too painful.
Can someone tell me who or what "Union Villa" are?
I ask after seeing their banner on the wall of the Lower Holte
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Yesterday looked like the players are just not playing for their manager, which is inexcusable when they are being paid large sums of money by the club. They may not agree with the manager but they should honour the fans by giving their all on the pitch. If yesterday's performance was giving their all, they are even bigger cretins than I thought they were.
It seems Remi has lost the dressing room, at least for a lot of the players and who can blame players saying they want away to develop their careers when having to play with the many "dead legs" the Villa put out each match. No future at B6 in the foreseeable months ahead.
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Was an odd one yesterday - the atmosphere was eerily flat before the teams came out and there was never any spark or momentum. I wonder if Garde stating in the press how poor we actually played against Norwich despite winning knocked the stuffing out of the players. The lack of a performance certainly hints at something behind the scenes. I would only give Gil any credit for trying to get things moving but had no support whatsoever.
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Just rung the club and cancelled my two tickets for Man City. There is a better use of £64 to have some enjoyment and it made me very sad to do it. I said "after yesterday..." at which point the girl interjected and said "I totally understand". Call me disloyal but I can't watch any more of this shit or run the risk of switching my 12 year old off forever.
Whatever happened to "Keep The Faith"?
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Can someone tell me who or what "Union Villa" are?
I ask after seeing their banner on the wall of the Lower Holte
One of Brigada's banners?
Possibly supporting Unions like Corbyn did with his badge on PMQs?
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Can someone tell me who or what "Union Villa" are?
I ask after seeing their banner on the wall of the Lower Holte
One of Brigada's banners?
Possibly supporting Unions like Corbyn did with his badge on PMQs?
It was part of a Trade Union campaign against Zero Hours Contracts. They were handing out leaflets.
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Comes to something when the biggest Villa cheer of the day was when the opposition substitute came on.
I found the applause for Benteke cringeable to be honest as I felt it signified how far we have fallen I also had to endure him applauding the 5th goal right in front of me as he warmed up, it was at this point I left.
I thought it was fair enough. If it wasn't for him, we'd have probably been in the championship a couple of season's ago.
I've got nothing against CB, it just made me feel sad that we were applauding an ex player when we were getting absolutely mullered and he himself was applauding the mullering
I think it showed our class as supporters that we were able to do so despite the utter shambles we were watching from our own team. Well done to all of us I say.
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Can someone tell me who or what "Union Villa" are?
I ask after seeing their banner on the wall of the Lower Holte
One of Brigada's banners?
Possibly supporting Unions like Corbyn did with his badge on PMQs?
It was part of a Trade Union campaign against Zero Hours Contracts. They were handing out leaflets.
Thanks both
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Can someone tell me who or what "Union Villa" are?
I ask after seeing their banner on the wall of the Lower Holte
One of Brigada's banners?
Possibly supporting Unions like Corbyn did with his badge on PMQs?
It was part of a Trade Union campaign against Zero Hours Contracts. They were handing out leaflets.
Nice touch that our players went on strike to show solidarity.
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Just rung the club and cancelled my two tickets for Man City. There is a better use of £64 to have some enjoyment and it made me very sad to do it. I said "after yesterday..." at which point the girl interjected and said "I totally understand". Call me disloyal but I can't watch any more of this shit or run the risk of switching my 12 year old off forever.
Whatever happened to "Keep The Faith"?
just keep on keepin on
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We should have stuck with Sherwood if moyes wasn't available.
Sherwood who said last night on MOTD that Newcastle were safe because they have signed Shelvey and Townsend?
Sherwood who signed Richards, Lescott and Gestede?
I don't remember anyone overtly criticising these signings when they were made.
As for Shelvey and Townsend - they would have been very useful too - a defensive controlling midfielder and someone with pace - what's the issue with that (price permitting)?
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Was an odd one yesterday - the atmosphere was eerily flat before the teams came out and there was never any spark or momentum. I wonder if Garde stating in the press how poor we actually played against Norwich despite winning knocked the stuffing out of the players. The lack of a performance certainly hints at something behind the scenes. I would only give Gil any credit for trying to get things moving but had no support whatsoever.
Gonna either explode or have to break from this site if I have to keep reading this utter bollocks. He's as bad as the rest. As are Gana and Vertout.
Yesterday for me was about the total shambles in the middle of the park more so than the defence - which says something.
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We really are a shambles of a club at the moment aren't we?
That was demonstrated perfectly yesterday when players would not even make the reserves five years ago are startng players. I'm at a loss to understand why it's Gardes fault though , i suspect with better players to pick he will make a good manager. None of this team are his [unless you believe the conspiracy theory of the summer signings - I dont]. This all started a long time before he was even considered for the post.
What i find amazing is that this season has been an obvious car crash from at least the Leicester game however in all honesty its been coming for years but no one at board level gets the sack.
Over the last few seasons we have replaced our better players with not so good players, we have then replaced those players with worse players still and yet that policy,which must come from the board room, hasnt lost anyone other than the manager his job. I guess that the "transfer committee" are still all in place.
i dont really care how many shirts we sell, i do care however that i am entertained on a Friday/Saturday/Sunday and that my football team play good football and get some decent results, enough to give me hope, enough to give me reason to keep going to the games.
I know that Sherwood wasn't the greatest manager in the World but it appeared he wanted to buy in the summer to strengthen, not just to fill gaps [which he did as well] , Townsend and Adeybayor were mentioned. He came out strongly through his mates in the press to promote those players as targets, they may have worked they may not. It would have at least given the impression that the club recognised the problems long term and possibily to a feeling of the club trying to do sometihng rather than letting it drift.
We're drifting now now with no rudder and a bloody big hole in the boat.
As i started this post ... what a complete shambles of a club, my club ...
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(http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article842921.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Randy%20Lerner)
Just Fuck Off. Fuck Off right now.
I fucking hate that face
Look what he did to Cleveland Browns!
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(http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article842921.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Randy%20Lerner)
Just Fuck Off. Fuck Off right now.
I fucking hate that face
Look what he did to Cleveland Browns!
He never got them relegated.
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Rudy65 is right boycott the games their not giving our monies worth anyway!
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I though Gil was part of the problem yesterday.
He just doesn't do enough at this level to make a difference. Same for Westwood, Bacuna, Veretout, Gana, Bunn, Gestede.
The defence are probably good enough but make stupid mistakes time and again. With Lescott and Richards having spats with the fans, Okore questioning the clubs commitment, and now the stupid car tweet from Lescott, it could point to something not right behind the scenes.
Maybe it was just a perfect storm and a 6-0 defeat was a one off, but it looked like the players had given up. That coupled with Garde bringing in unknown teenagers, it all seems like we have serious issues right now, and I think we haven't even hit rock bottom yet.
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I would expect we'll see a rather sparse VP for the rest of this season, boycott or no boycott.
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FFS, please stop posting that picture of that c**t
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I would expect we'll see a rather sparse VP for the rest of this season, boycott or no boycott.
I think if we employed Geoffrey Boycott we'd have a sense of some discipline in the club.
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FFS, please stop posting that picture of that c**t
(http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2014/database/140831/justin-bieber-300.jpg)
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I though Gil was part of the problem yesterday.
He just doesn't do enough at this level to make a difference. Same for Westwood, Bacuna, Veretout, Gana, Bunn, Gestede.
I agree he is far too lightweight but with 2 or 3 others on something like the same wavelength we might create a bit more.
No doubt Gabby will be out for the rest of the season now and we will be stuck with headless chicken Scott Sinclair up front on his own for the rest of the season. We might score 2 or 3 more before the season ends.
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We really are a shambles of a club at the moment aren't we?
That was demonstrated perfectly yesterday when players would not even make the reserves five years ago are startng players. I'm at a loss to understand why it's Gardes fault though , i suspect with better players to pick he will make a good manager. None of this team are his [unless you believe the conspiracy theory of the summer signings - I dont]. This all started a long time before he was even considered for the post.
What i find amazing is that this season has been an obvious car crash from at least the Leicester game however in all honesty its been coming for years but no one at board level gets the sack.
Over the last few seasons we have replaced our better players with not so good players, we have then replaced those players with worse players still and yet that policy,which must come from the board room, hasnt lost anyone other than the manager his job. I guess that the "transfer committee" are still all in place.
i dont really care how many shirts we sell, i do care however that i am entertained on a Friday/Saturday/Sunday and that my football team play good football and get some decent results, enough to give me hope, enough to give me reason to keep going to the games.
I know that Sherwood wasn't the greatest manager in the World but it appeared he wanted to buy in the summer to strengthen, not just to fill gaps [which he did as well] , Townsend and Adeybayor were mentioned. He came out strongly through his mates in the press to promote those players as targets, they may have worked they may not. It would have at least given the impression that the club recognised the problems long term and possibily to a feeling of the club trying to do sometihng rather than letting it drift.
We're drifting now now with no rudder and a bloody big hole in the boat.
As i started this post ... what a complete shambles of a club, my club ...
Well they had a player down injured for about 5 minutes. We were already being mullered. That was Remis chance to rally the troops. He just sat there looking shellshocked and offered nothing to the players who stood around scratching their heads like a bunch of gormless fucking adolescents. That was the moment the penny dropped for me. Remi Garde just ain't gonna cut it in the premier league.
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We condensed the game into half a pitch by allowing Liverpool to have the ball unchallenged in their own half.
Yet when they did cross the half way line not one player could be arsed to close down, it really was unforgivable A Whole team that didn't try.
I wasn't expecting much from yesterdays game but recent performances had shown a bit of spirit. What went on during the week for the players to show a true distain for AVFC
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FFS, please stop posting that picture of that c**t
(http://www.independent.ie/migration_catalog/article25308030.ece/ALTERNATES/h342/bono)
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We condensed the game into half a pitch by allowing Liverpool to have the ball unchallenged in their own half.
Yet when they did cross the half way line not one player could be arsed to close down, it really was unforgivable A Whole team that didn't try.
I wasn't expecting much from yesterdays game but recent performances had shown a bit of spirit. What went on during the week for the players to show a true distain for AVFC
Maybe they're all sulking cos Lescott has a shiny new car and they don't.
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FFS, please stop posting that picture of that c**t
(http://static-secure.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2015/1/24/1422119381698/a3f273ac-aa87-46c8-a2ba-9441f146971a-2060x1236.jpeg)
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FFS, please stop posting that picture of that c**t
(http://cdn2.spectator.co.uk/files/2015/03/1416047741.jpg)
Game over.
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We really are a shambles of a club at the moment aren't we?
That was demonstrated perfectly yesterday when players would not even make the reserves five years ago are startng players. I'm at a loss to understand why it's Gardes fault though , i suspect with better players to pick he will make a good manager. None of this team are his [unless you believe the conspiracy theory of the summer signings - I dont]. This all started a long time before he was even considered for the post.
What i find amazing is that this season has been an obvious car crash from at least the Leicester game however in all honesty its been coming for years but no one at board level gets the sack.
Over the last few seasons we have replaced our better players with not so good players, we have then replaced those players with worse players still and yet that policy,which must come from the board room, hasnt lost anyone other than the manager his job. I guess that the "transfer committee" are still all in place.
i dont really care how many shirts we sell, i do care however that i am entertained on a Friday/Saturday/Sunday and that my football team play good football and get some decent results, enough to give me hope, enough to give me reason to keep going to the games.
I know that Sherwood wasn't the greatest manager in the World but it appeared he wanted to buy in the summer to strengthen, not just to fill gaps [which he did as well] , Townsend and Adeybayor were mentioned. He came out strongly through his mates in the press to promote those players as targets, they may have worked they may not. It would have at least given the impression that the club recognised the problems long term and possibily to a feeling of the club trying to do sometihng rather than letting it drift.
We're drifting now now with no rudder and a bloody big hole in the boat.
As i started this post ... what a complete shambles of a club, my club ...
Well they has a player down injured for about 5 minutes. We were already being mullered. That was Remis chance to rally the troops. He just sat there looking shellshocked and offered nothing to the players who stood around scratching their heads like a bunch of gormless fucking adolescents. That was the moment the penny dropped for me. Remi Garde just ain't gonna cut it in the premier league.
And what does he say? Leandro dont mis-kick the ball there again mate? Bunn-y never mind the complete horlicks you made of the free kick pal there's always the next one. Joles, if you could get closer to Sturrage than half the Holte you'd be doing us all a big favour.
He's had this useless bunch professional footballers [not U11's] all week. He and his coaching staff has given them what they must do until he's blue in the face I would imagine. Carrigher said that no one in the Premiership would look at any Villa player for their squad once we get relegated. Thats not the manger's fault [at least not this one]
there's a first time for everything but i am afraid i agree with Carrigher.
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Feel so sorry for Remi! What do people expect him to change? What else could he of done yesterday, what tactics / line up would you of changed!
Guy in the Holte next to me was shouting at the fans all game for singing Remi's name and questioning his management?
Yes it has been terrible but my goodness who else would want the job?
The last 15 minutes of the game were superb! What an atmosphere in the Holte! Scarfs being waved "Everywhere we goooo, Everywhere we gooo, were the villa boys, making all the noise"
Remarkable considering we were 6-0 down!
UTV# FU*KOFFLERNER
The song was good for the first couple of games but not it's starting to sound like we're Wycombe or Orient or someone. Just happy to be playing the big boys so will sing about how happy we are to be there.
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H&V must be the only football forum where someone posts a picture of Bono and it's followed without a hint of irony by a post from The Edge. Brilliant!
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We really are a shambles of a club at the moment aren't we?
That was demonstrated perfectly yesterday when players would not even make the reserves five years ago are startng players. I'm at a loss to understand why it's Gardes fault though , i suspect with better players to pick he will make a good manager. None of this team are his [unless you believe the conspiracy theory of the summer signings - I dont]. This all started a long time before he was even considered for the post.
What i find amazing is that this season has been an obvious car crash from at least the Leicester game however in all honesty its been coming for years but no one at board level gets the sack.
Over the last few seasons we have replaced our better players with not so good players, we have then replaced those players with worse players still and yet that policy,which must come from the board room, hasnt lost anyone other than the manager his job. I guess that the "transfer committee" are still all in place.
i dont really care how many shirts we sell, i do care however that i am entertained on a Friday/Saturday/Sunday and that my football team play good football and get some decent results, enough to give me hope, enough to give me reason to keep going to the games.
I know that Sherwood wasn't the greatest manager in the World but it appeared he wanted to buy in the summer to strengthen, not just to fill gaps [which he did as well] , Townsend and Adeybayor were mentioned. He came out strongly through his mates in the press to promote those players as targets, they may have worked they may not. It would have at least given the impression that the club recognised the problems long term and possibily to a feeling of the club trying to do sometihng rather than letting it drift.
We're drifting now now with no rudder and a bloody big hole in the boat.
As i started this post ... what a complete shambles of a club, my club ...
Well they had a player down injured for about 5 minutes. We were already being mullered. That was Remis chance to rally the troops. He just sat there looking shellshocked and offered nothing to the players who stood around scratching their heads like a bunch of gormless fucking adolescents. That was the moment the penny dropped for me. Remi Garde just ain't gonna cut it in the premier league.
or how about the captain and the club captain calling the Villa players over and giving them some ideas, confidence or just a fucking kicking up the arse !
I actually feel sorry for Remi....
UTV
The Doc
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Luckily my almost 5 year old played Angry Birds for most of the match and is too young to follow it - only took him otherwise I'd never get down (his 2 year old twin brothers keep me and Mrs MDC busy). I did find myself wondering after watching the orgy at the side of the pitch every time a goal was scored and scousers spilled out of their seat with no apparent consequence what is going to change to make my boys proud and enthusiastic Villa fans rather than keeping Dad company?
I also wondered if Villa are talking in meetings today that there is a generation of kids who won't come. With my missus that is 5 season tickets for a decade at least that's at risk. Do they care? Does anyone care? What will make them care? Who knows.
The match itself was like listening to the theme tune from Whatever Happened to the Likely Lads on repeat. Literally no one looked like they gave a fu**, the team looked lethargic and slower than erosion everywhere on the pitch. Mrs MDC suggested I took him to Wasps instead - £15 a ticket and under 10's free. Its not the same I mumbled. She looked at me pityingly.
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Less than 12 months ago we were beating the same club who hammered us yesterday. That day at Wembley we had 4 international class players in our team - all have subsequently been allowed to leave us - without very much of a fight - that is down to the owner of the club.
Those 4 players gave us hope - one was about to retire through injury - but the other 3 are all premier league players - who in their own ways helped us survive. All 3 were being chased by other teams because they knew they could do a good job for them. What did our owner do? Did he make any effort to keep them - NO.
That is why we lost 6-0 yesterday - that is why this season has been an utter shambles. That's why the players don't show any passion. Our owner hides away and lets others take the blame.
Sherwood - not the greatest manager in the world but good enough to motivate an average set of players - given a bit of support to keep the better ones and bring a few more in - could have at least kept us up.
Garde - we will probably never find out if he could be succesful - as the mess he has inherited is so awful - it would take a miracle worker to sort out. We can all see he has been shafted by the owner.
The owner has to go. And go as soon as possible. If not things will just go from bad to worse.
Do we ever see a day when we will be succesful again with his still holding the purse strings? NO.
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Sod it. This is a Villa v Liverpool match thread yes ? So I'm posting some pictures !
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Liverpool also put 6 past Southampton in December. Doesnt make the Valentine's Day Massacre any better, but thought I'd say.
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FFS, please stop posting that picture of that c**t
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Don't worry guys it's not like we needed to buy any players in January or anything, everything's fine!
Yeah we needed a striker in January but yet the clueless fool Garde concentrated on a goalkeeper which we aren't desperate for and wanted to spend over the odds for a half season loan of a right back which once again we don't need. He can't see what's infront of him desperate for a striker but focuses in the positions we don't need replacing.
Oh and he also has no motivational skills what so ever this game proves that. 2:0 at half time just like Sunderland were he should have fired them up to get an early goal in the second half but he is incapable of that. We should have stuck with Sherwood if moyes wasn't available.
I think we do need a goalkeeper and we also need a right back. I think many people would agree on that.
It's not to say we don't need a striker because we do do but it certainly isn't either/or.
Simple fact is goals win you games, we haven't got a striker that can put the chances away. it's not rocket science tighten up the defence and we'll draw games 0:0 but that won't get us out of this mess. we needed to forget about clean sheets and focus 100% on a striker to score our way out of this.
Yes he is clueless yesterday proved that 2:0 down to a team that had blown a 2:0 lead against our relegation rivals very recently he should have fired them up to get a early goal in the 2nd half that would have changed things but the players came out after his half time team talk worse than they had been playing in the 1st half.
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Don't worry guys it's not like we needed to buy any players in January or anything, everything's fine!
Yeah we needed a striker in January but yet the clueless fool Garde concentrated on a goalkeeper which we aren't desperate for and wanted to spend over the odds for a half season loan of a right back which once again we don't need. He can't see what's infront of him desperate for a striker but focuses in the positions we don't need replacing.
Oh and he also has no motivational skills what so ever this game proves that. 2:0 at half time just like Sunderland were he should have fired them up to get an early goal in the second half but he is incapable of that. We should have stuck with Sherwood if moyes wasn't available.
I think we do need a goalkeeper and we also need a right back. I think many people would agree on that.
It's not to say we don't need a striker because we do do but it certainly isn't either/or.
Simple fact is goals win you games, we haven't got a striker that can put the chances away. it's not rocket science tighten up the defence and we'll draw games 0:0 but that won't get us out of this mess. we needed to forget about clean sheets and focus 100% on a striker to score our way out of this.
Yes he is clueless yesterday proved that 2:0 down to a team that had blown a 2:0 lead against our relegation rivals very recently he should have fired them up to get a early goal in the 2nd half that would have changed things but the players came out after his half time team talk worse than they had been playing in the 1st half.
I thought we came out in 2nd half and tired to get into them , the 3rd goal though destroyed them after that it could of been anything the Toure goal at the end , well we might has well have just picked the ball up and thrown in in the net for them it was that bad.
Despite the pick up in form its a team with a legacy of struggling mixed with guys adjusting to the league and when it started going badly wrong they crumbled.
The team I'm sure didn't go out to lose but all of them to man seemed lost from the word go , they couldn't deal with Liverpool's pressing and the goals were abysmal on every level.
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H&V must be the only football forum where someone posts a picture of Bono and it's followed without a hint of irony by a post from The Edge. Brilliant!
No problem man 8)
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I watched the game with my Dad.
He's 79, I'm 50.
He first took me in 1971. He's been going since the 50s. He thinks this is the worst Villa side he's ever seen. I think he's right, although I did see the three Steves' (Simms, Foster and Hodge) play for us.
At the end of this game he looked at me, and, with a real tear in his eye, said 'Son, I'm so sorry you're a Villa fan, this is terrible and it's all my fault'.
I wouldn't change a thing. I was there at Highbury in '81, on the pitch and euphoric. I have seen us win trophies, score great goals and be crowned champions of Europe. Villa, on balance, has given more pleasure than pain in my life. (The pain is catching up I have to confess, Wembley last May was a new low, or so I thought).
We'll come again. Football comes in cycles. It may not be for a few years, but we'll be back.
Let's look out for visionary like Graham Taylor. Let's find a dynamo like David Platt. Let's take in another cast-off like Paul McGrath. Let's prudently invest in another goal machine like Benteke. Let's find another leader like Olof Mellberg. They're out there somewhere.
I know it feels terrible, but who reading this would really trade loyalties? Who's swap places with a Leeds fan, an Arsenal fan, even a ManUre fan? No, thought not.
Up the Villa, the best club in the world.
As a footnote, I have two sons, 19 and 17. Both hate football despite my best efforts. Lucky lads.
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The team is a mirror image of the owner, insipid, timid, spineless, confused, fearful, characterless, disagreeable and ultimately unfit for purpose.
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I watched the game with my Dad.
He's 79, I'm 50.
He first took me in 1971. He's been going since the 50s. He thinks this is the worst Villa side he's ever seen. I think he's right, although I did see the three Steves' (Simms, Foster and Hodge) play for us.
At the end of this game he looked at me, and, with a real tear in his eye, said 'Son, I'm so sorry you're a Villa fan, this is terrible and it's all my fault'.
I wouldn't change a thing. I was there at Highbury in '81, on the pitch and euphoric. I have seen us win trophies, score great goals and be crowned champions of Europe. Villa, on balance, has given more pleasure than pain in my life. (The pain is catching up I have to confess, Wembley last May was a new low, or so I thought).
We'll come again. Football comes in cycles. It may not be for a few years, but we'll be back.
Let's look out for visionary like Graham Taylor. Let's find a dynamo like David Platt. Let's take in another cast-off like Paul McGrath. Let's prudently invest in another goal machine like Benteke. Let's find another leader like Olof Mellberg. They're out there somewhere.
I know it feels terrible, but who reading this would really trade loyalties? Who's swap places with a Leeds fan, an Arsenal fan, even a ManUre fan? No, thought not.
Up the Villa, the best club in the world.
As a footnote, I have two sons, 19 and 17. Both hate football despite my best efforts. Lucky lads.
Great post VaH
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form is temporary - class is permanent we will be back.
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Some posts on here have said that while they expected the Villa to lose (eg 0-2), they didn't expect the team to surrender 0-6 particularly after recent games where we've shown more resilience.
Cynics might suggest the players performed so badly because a warm weather break had been cancelled and they were on a SULK! Their last opportunity for a jolly ahead of going their own ways in the close season.Clearly they don't deserve one yet the psyche of Villa's premier league players will feel hard done by when they can see the likes of Stoke flying off to Dubai. Let's be clear despite yesterday's result L'pool are not a great team unless they are made to look one by players throwing a tantrum. Just a thought!!!
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Look what he did to Cleveland Browns!
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He did manage to sell the Browns............eventually.
The price to buy The Villa will plummet in The Championship.
His family may convince him to sell ?
He will be lucky to get back however much it cost him to buy the Club.
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I though Gil was part of the problem yesterday.
He just doesn't do enough at this level to make a difference. Same for Westwood, Bacuna, Veretout, Gana, Bunn, Gestede.
The defence are probably good enough but make stupid mistakes time and again. With Lescott and Richards having spats with the fans, Okore questioning the clubs commitment, and now the stupid car tweet from Lescott, it could point to something not right behind the scenes.
Maybe it was just a perfect storm and a 6-0 defeat was a one off, but it looked like the players had given up. That coupled with Garde bringing in unknown teenagers, it all seems like we have serious issues right now, and I think we haven't even hit rock bottom yet.
gil is a lightweight pussy who wouldnt be out of place in an under 11's girls team.
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I though Gil was part of the problem yesterday.
He just doesn't do enough at this level to make a difference. Same for Westwood, Bacuna, Veretout, Gana, Bunn, Gestede.
The defence are probably good enough but make stupid mistakes time and again. With Lescott and Richards having spats with the fans, Okore questioning the clubs commitment, and now the stupid car tweet from Lescott, it could point to something not right behind the scenes.
Maybe it was just a perfect storm and a 6-0 defeat was a one off, but it looked like the players had given up. That coupled with Garde bringing in unknown teenagers, it all seems like we have serious issues right now, and I think we haven't even hit rock bottom yet.
gil is a lightweight pussy who wouldnt be out of place in an under 11's girls team.
That response is so irritating in so many ways.
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Gil is probably really good if you bring him on as a sub when you are 3-0 up (if anyone can remember what that means) and he can show you what he can do with no pressure, but in the heat of battle I don't think he cuts it.
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If he had a bit of pace he'd be dangerous but as it is he's so slow he just gets caught and brushed aside. Just a bit shit really.
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Gil and Veretout are hugely frustrating players.
You can put up with a Gavin McCann or NRC as they have plenty of endeavour to mask their pretty substantial limitations.
A player like Westwood is just an out-and-out rotter. It's not intentional on his part, he's just playing in a league at least one step up from his playing ability.
But with Veretout and Gil, they look like they could be decent at this level. They just hold onto the ball far too long.
They both have the touch and awareness to play little give and gos to open teams up, but they rarely seem to it. Particularly in areas that matter. Probably a lack of confidence in their teammates that they'll get the ball back.
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I watched the game with my Dad.
He's 79, I'm 50.
He first took me in 1971. He's been going since the 50s. He thinks this is the worst Villa side he's ever seen. I think he's right, although I did see the three Steves' (Simms, Foster and Hodge) play for us.
At the end of this game he looked at me, and, with a real tear in his eye, said 'Son, I'm so sorry you're a Villa fan, this is terrible and it's all my fault'.
I wouldn't change a thing. I was there at Highbury in '81, on the pitch and euphoric. I have seen us win trophies, score great goals and be crowned champions of Europe. Villa, on balance, has given more pleasure than pain in my life. (The pain is catching up I have to confess, Wembley last May was a new low, or so I thought).
We'll come again. Football comes in cycles. It may not be for a few years, but we'll be back.
Let's look out for visionary like Graham Taylor. Let's find a dynamo like David Platt. Let's take in another cast-off like Paul McGrath. Let's prudently invest in another goal machine like Benteke. Let's find another leader like Olof Mellberg. They're out there somewhere.
I know it feels terrible, but who reading this would really trade loyalties? Who's swap places with a Leeds fan, an Arsenal fan, even a ManUre fan? No, thought not.
Up the Villa, the best club in the world.
As a footnote, I have two sons, 19 and 17. Both hate football despite my best efforts. Lucky lads.
Righteous brother. We could lose 10-0 every week in the 4th division and we'd still be the greatest club on earth.
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I don't know. Then I'd think we were bollocks.
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We'd just be the greatest club on earth with shit players. Much like now.
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Nah. We'd have dropped to the 4th and then losing 10-0against the likes of Morecambe. By then I think Lerner would seriously consider selling up. Plus Sinclair, Gil, and Lescott would prove we were big in our own minds.
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My first game was in 1959 and over the years it does seem to have been more downs than ups. But the last few years have been a real bummer and I don't remember ever feeling so bad than yesterday.
It is so so sad what has happened to this great club, but we will come good again.
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form is temporary - class is permanent we will be back.
can you class 5 years as temporary?
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I didn't go on Saturday because I was too ill. Initially I thought "dodged a bullet there" but now I wish I had gone if only for the last 10 minutes to show the world there is more to Aston Villa than bloody Fox, bloody Hollis, bloody Lerner and all those bloody useless people masquerading as Villa players. The only time they played decently recently was when we were booing them - so lets boo them on and off until they do something to deserve a cheer (only slightly joking)...
VTID
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If he had a bit of pace he'd be dangerous but as it is he's so slow he just gets caught and brushed aside. Just a bit shit really.
He does get caught and pushed off it easily, thats because he has to hold it for that long because there is absolutely no movement infront of him, As i said earlier at the begining of the second half he broke forward taking on two or three Liverpool players, this was at 0-2, as he took them on not one of our lot helped him, Gabby was stood still on the edge if the box marked by two, nobody was busting a gut to gwt forwars from midfield, nobody was running out wide to create space, they all hid and then one of the players that he had already skipped past got back and shrugged him off the ball, the other lads should not have put Gil in a poaition to be shrugged off at that point as he had done the hard work, put him in a team like Stoke with Bojan, Arnautovic etc moving and you'd see his worth, he's absolutely wasted at us.
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I didn't go on Saturday.
Neither did anyone else mate! ;-)
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form is temporary - class is permanent we will be back.
can you class 5 years as temporary?
We were shite for 12 years in the 60s and 70s. We were still Aston Villa and our class ultimately shone through.
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Yesterday was as bad as anything I've seen in the 45 years I've been following villa. There are so many similarities with 1987, yesterday was our Forrest away where we also lost 6-0.
Unfortunately things are likely to get much worse over the next few weeks, the players don't have the stomach for the fight & neither do the club.
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Allan Sugar on twitter -
Villa 6 down . My old friend Doug Ellis will not be a happy bunny
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The atmosphere during the last 10-15 minutes was absolutely surreal, almost a thing of beauty. We had all surrendered to the inevitable but were making some noise nonetheless.
Absolutely. The Holte upper was rocking and it was fantastic to be a part of that.
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Vertigo isn't only caused by heights, it's a symptom of many different brain related issues. If he really is suffereing from it them I don't envy him, I had it for a while a couple of years ago (never did find out what caused it) and it was horrible. Like being drunk and feeling sick ALL the time, I literally couldn't get up for a couple of weeks.
I have had labyrinthitis a few times- inner ear virus which buggers your balance and makes you nauseous - and it is surprisingly debilitating. Can't stand up, lying down is like being on a small fishing boat and can't focus so no reading. As Dave C says it is like being drunk and hungover at the same time. I wouldn't wish it on anybody, though half the team look like they have it already.
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Howe would be my choice. He'd come as well
Don or Sir Geoffrey ?
Fred Dineage. How presenter.
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On a general note, we really seem to have an inferiority complex against so called 'big' teams, particularly at home. They go to other clubs and get closed down, have no time on the ball and have to work hard for the win. They come to Villa Park and like yesterday, they have a stroll around under no pressure and leave with a comfortable win.
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Howe would be my choice. He'd come as well
Don or Sir Geoffrey ?
Fred Dineage. How presenter.
If it's Eddie, then there is little or no chance of that happening.
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As Coops says, it's not just heights. A friend of mine gets vertigo, it can last a day or so or even weeks at a time and they find it difficult to even walk as it is like being drunk with the room spinning etc. It's seems to be one of those things that there's no real reason you get it, and no telling when you'll get it next.
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On a general note, we really seem to have an inferiority complex against so called 'big' teams, particularly at home. They go to other clubs and get closed down, have no time on the ball and have to work hard for the win. They come to Villa Park and like yesterday, they have a stroll around under no pressure and leave with a comfortable win.
That is because over the years our managers and players have seen as a bit part player in the bigger scheme of things and our owners have done nothing to change that view and us fans can F in think what we like!
Years ago under O'Neill I wanted to vomit when our players celebrated a 0-0 at home against Chelsea but there we are.
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As Coops says, it's not just heights. A friend of mine gets vertigo, it can last a day or so or even weeks at a time and they find it difficult to even walk as it is like being drunk with the room spinning etc. It's seems to be one of those things that there's no real reason you get it, and no telling when you'll get it next.
Does the general misunderstanding of Vertigo stem from the Hitchcock film ?
A woman I work with suffers from the condition and its very debilitating.
I get Vertigo-like symptoms when my sinus problem kicks in. It best described as suddenly being aware that my head is six foot away from the floor and doesn't seem happy about it
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The team is a mirror image of the owner, insipid, timid, spineless, confused, fearful, characterless, disagreeable and ultimately unfit for purpose.
Randy Lerner and the Seven Dwarves?
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It's seems to be one of those things that there's no real reason you get it, and no telling when you'll get it next.
Or it could also manifest itself when your team is being hammered at home, your team mates really need an out upfront but deep down you know you're just not up to it anymore. Ofcourse you could stay on and do your best for he side or you can take the easy option and run away and hide.
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if the bottom has fallen out of your world, just support Aston Villa and see the world fall out of your bottom
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Gil and Veretout are hugely frustrating players.
You can put up with a Gavin McCann or NRC as they have plenty of endeavour to mask their pretty substantial limitations.
A player like Westwood is just an out-and-out rotter. It's not intentional on his part, he's just playing in a league at least one step up from his playing ability.
But with Veretout and Gil, they look like they could be decent at this level. They just hold onto the ball far too long.
They both have the touch and awareness to play little give and gos to open teams up, but they rarely seem to it. Particularly in areas that matter. Probably a lack of confidence in their teammates that they'll get the ball back.
Mainly because there's so little movement by the other players, there's no one to pass to never mind a give and go.
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Unacceptable!
That is all.
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The day started so well. Mrs Rico was in particularly generous good form and then you bastards well and truly shafted us. Not one of you should ever wear the claret and blue again.
I'm typing this on Thursday and I'm sure I'm not the only one who still feels upset at what happened. I've been grumpy all week, told a customer to fuck off and generally been bad tempered all week.
Mrs Rico said what's up with you, and it finally occurred to me yesterday: that bunch of c**ts pro porting to be Villa players have well and truly fucked up my karma! Bastards the lot of ya! As for you Mr Lescott- you ain't no Villa fan!