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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: pauliewalnuts on October 17, 2015, 04:53:31 PM
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Crap
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Lost to a very average playing Chelski....
What a shocker. ::)
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This just made me laugh on the match thread.
The team just look miserable, despondent, listless. I'm not totally sure that Moyes, who's sourer than a lemon who's walked in to find Mrs. Lemon in bed with the milkman, would really cure the problem.
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Decent performance I thought. Nobody shat themselves. Nobody said anything overtly racist. Nobody actually burnt down an orphanage. Well done lads.
Edit: you are welcome, Kippax.
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How the hell were Gil, Grealish and Westwood still on the pitch at the end? Bunch of lily livered wimps.
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Doomed. Finally this is the season we go and it's totally deserved 😕😕😕
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Rubbish.
Wholly predictable when he suggested the players at the club were not ones he wanted. Inherited or Otherwise.
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When will I be able to watch MOTD again?
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Aston Villa play and Aston Villa lose, hardly a surprise. We are an absolute joke and just desperately poor. If 4 points from 9 games doesn't get you sacked fuck knows what will.
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Let's start with this question.
Where are we going to get another 34 points from?
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When will I be able to watch MOTD again?
Ermmm."
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Worst result possible today, a narrow defeat. Could of done with a hammering and sherwood being sacked tonight.
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This just made me laugh on the match thread.
The team just look miserable, despondent, listless. I'm not totally sure that Moyes, who's sourer than a lemon who's walked in to find Mrs. Lemon in bed with the milkman, would really cure the problem.
Well, we have tried a "motivator".
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You'd expect an experienced manager would come in see the players we have and would then know where to play them and which formation would work best for us. One more week.
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It's like being punched firmly in the face week after week.
Does this club have any pride?
Surely 7 defeats from 9 league games should guarantee the chop for the manager at any club with even a shred of pride left?
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Let's start with this question.
Where are we going to get another 34 points from?
From a new manager. He's got to go now.
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We will get 34 points next season. But not in this League.
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The Charity that is Villa respond when needed once again.
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Time to go Tim.....
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Chelsea didn't even have to try for that.
I have no fucking clue what the game plan is and clearly neither to the players.This side will go down without change quickly
Special mention to Guzan for being utterly inept at kicking a ball , at this point we must have a kid in the under 9's team who can kick a ball better than him.
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last 43 league games 32 points, we deserve to get relegated we stink the place out.
just what is the fucking point?
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What a pethetic performance. Fully anaemic. No movement going forward, no responsibility. No passion. Going through the motions and ticking off another game. I am putting decent money on us dropping tonight before the odds are no longer worth it. 3-4 games time we will be 10 adrift, not 4. Fucking heartless.
As said in the match thread. Leicester have come back from 2 down at Southampton for fucks sake. Leicester, who have done it through tactical awareness and sheer team spirit.
We look fucking broken. Sherwood has lost that team. He has lost his own style and the whole things looks like watching Vultures pick at a rotting corpse each week. Sure we might kick into life for 10 minutes here and there, but we are basically expired if he stays.
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Well that's all the easier games over.
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It's like being punched firmly in the face week after week.
Does this club have any pride?
Surely 7 defeats from 9 league games should guarantee the chop for the manager at any club with even a shred of pride left?
Big assumption in your final sentence?
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Well that's all the easier games over.
Yep now we have some hard games against good teams
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It's like being punched firmly in the face week after week.
Does this club have any pride?
Surely 7 defeats from 9 league games should guarantee the chop for the manager at any club with even a shred of pride left?
Isn't it 9 in 11 going back to last season? Or 10 in 12 including the 4-0 hammering in the cup final.
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So predictable. The Villa teams I have seen get relegated before would miss chances one end and give stupid goals away at the other which is what we are doing this year. I think our only chance is to make a managerial change this week. I would go for Moyes but is he really available?
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Worst result possible today, a narrow defeat. Could of done with a hammering and sherwood being sacked tonight.
agreed , if the absolutely useless bastards ruining ( not a spell checker) our club don't fire the Cnut then I give up.
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It's like being punched firmly in the face week after week.
Does this club have any pride?
Surely 7 defeats from 9 league games should guarantee the chop for the manager at any club with even a shred of pride left?
That's how I feel, I just keep wishing someone would throw the towel in.
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Let's start with this question.
Where are we going to get another 34 points from?
4 points in 9 games equates to 74 games I think
so well get to 40 points sometime in 2017
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Didn't expect anything else to be honest, massive game next week
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We are terrible. Im still convinced the players beside westwood, lescott, hutton and guzan are half decent. They need to pull their socks up and fight for the cause at the moment they are not!
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We seemed content to keep the score down in the second half, self belief obviously on the floor against a really poor Chelsea side.
Two very slow sides and a game played at testimonial pace.
Both goals were farcical, unlucky sure about the deflection on the second but we threw in the towel afterwards.
We look so lightweight and one paced up top
tactically think Sherwood did alright today but surely he cant stay in charge for another week.
Guzan 3, Hutton 6, Richards 7, Lescott 5, Richardson 5, Westwood 4, Gueye 7, Gil 5, Grealish 6, Ayew 6, Gestede 5.
Subs, Amavi 5 (didnt bust a gut to impress), Traore 5 (bambi on ice)
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Time to bring in Billy McNeil.
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Let's start with this question.
Where are we going to get another 34 points from?
29 games to go and we're averaging 0.4 per game! It just goes from bad to worse every year.
Very unlikely we'll scrape home this year now
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Villa now stir no feelings within me. I pay attention but I'm beyond even clapping sarcastically at their shite.
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How the hell were Gil, Grealish and Westwood still on the pitch at the end? Bunch of lily livered wimps.
This is not a midfield that is going to exert much pressure on any Premier league clubs. Frankly, it's shit.
I absolutely curse the day that toss pot Lerner took over this club. First he spunked money blindly up the wall, with no infrastructure in place for any real growth. Then he pulled up the ladder and decided to cheapskate everything out. Appointment after appointment of fuck wits, all throughout the club. The bloke can take a fucking running jump. We deserve to go down and that want away chairtwat... I hope he loses a fucking fortune on us. Him, no hopers like Sherwood, gobshites like Colonel Blinky fuck them all.
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I bet the fans will be singing Sherwood's name a lot sooner than he thinks.
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The feeling at the start of the season suggested it might be an edge of your seat season.Well I'm slumped in my seat.No longer angry just very sad.
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Didn't see the game, not surprised by the result, more worringly I feel like I couldn't care less, fuck every last one of them.
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How the hell were Gil, Grealish and Westwood still on the pitch at the end? Bunch of lily livered wimps.
This is not a midfield that is going to exert much pressure on any Premier league clubs. Frankly, it's shit.
I absolutely curse the day that toss pot Lerner took over this club. First he spunked money blindly up the wall, with no infrastructure in place for any real growth. Then he pulled up the ladder and decided to cheapskate everything out. Appointment after appointment of fuck wits, all throughout the club. The bloke can take a fucking running jump. We deserve to go down and that want away chairtwat... I hope he loses a fucking fortune on us. Him, no hopers like Sherwood, gobshites like Colonel Blinky fuck them all.
Same here. Worse still, he and that other conman, the General, mugged me into thinking they really cared. I'm still ashamed that I was taken in by those two wasters.
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We are terrible. Im still convinced the players beside westwood, lescott, hutton and guzan are half decent. They need to pull their socks up and fight for the cause at the moment they are not!
I'm starting to doubt it.
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We're only 7 points off 11th
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Still we'll be told by pundits that we were the worst team left in the league after finishing 17th last season and after losing our two best players what do we expect? How about a bit of balls, planning and nous that Palace, Leicester, the promoted teams etc. all on less resources than us, manage?
The whole thing is a fucking disgrace and the only consolation is that two other perennial sleeping giants in the North East are just as incompetent though I fear that will change before it does for us.
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I cannot stand Ashley Westwood. I think if he's not in the team we're twice as fast and our set pieces are better. If we do replace Sherwood, I hope his replacement sees those corners and plonks him in the reserves just for taking the piss.
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Grealish didn't do enough today, but Gil is hardly to blame - he put in a few good deliveries and worked hard. His problem was that he kept having to come deep to get the ball. I don't mind him doing it sometimes, but today the ball just wasn't getting to him in the attacking third otherwise.
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We're only 7 points off 11th
Unfortunately at this rate it's going to take us another 15 games to get those 7 points. SHERWOOD OUT. LERNER OUT.
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We're only 7 points off 11th
Where do you see them 7 points coming from?
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I actually feel numb now. I have no excitement, expectation or even flight of fancy when it comes to match days. Most of our play in the middle of the park is much better than under Lambert; the passing is crisper, more inventive and attacking, but everything else in woeful. The defensive mistakes are beyond amateur and to say the attack is toothless is an understatement.
If there is anything a "new team" needs, its a rigid structure and a firm philosophy. Sherwood offers neither.
He is desperately looking for a solution, hoping that he will stumble upon it and that is what I see reflected in our team. Nothing more than a 'hope' that it will come good.
No one can see what he's trying to do and that IS the biggest worry.
I feel that Sherwood has to go
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We're only 7 points off 11th
Where do you see them 7 points coming from?
2015 - 2017
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Apparently Wilkins spent most of the match having a laugh and a joke with the Chelsea fans and hugging Mourinho.
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We are doomed...this has all the hallmarks of the 86-87 relegation when we were the worst team in the league by far. They have to make a change now to give themselves even a glimmer of a prayer.
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Chelsea were really poor today aswell and won at an absolute canter.
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Someone said to me on Friday that Mourinho should just take his one match ban against us as Chelsea wouldn't need a manager against Villa.
That's how we're seen. An utter irrelevance. A joke. Something to laugh at.
Part of me is just numb to it all, but a big part still cares and is fucking sick of it.
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Apparently Wilkins spent most of the match having a laugh and a joke with the Chelsea fans and hugging Mourinho.
At least he's done something then.
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Apparently Wilkins spent most of the match having a laugh and a joke with the Chelsea fans and hugging Mourinho.
Bless.
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I look at the team and have no confidence in any player to win a match. In fact, its worse as not only are they poor/average but they do all they can to gift points to the opposition through own goals, loose passes, penalties. ...
Have we lost 6 on the bounce in recent years?
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Unless Sherwood changes I think this is the year we go down.
Of course it won't be entirely his fault, we've been one of the worst teams in the premiership since O'Niell left and got progressively worse.
We need a plan, we need to grind out results, defence based performances that are Pulis and Allardyce specialities.
That's the only way we'll get out of it, we need to be firstly hard to beat, solid, gritty and mean.
Sherwood doesn't play like that I think he'll continue to wing it with teams that play with offensive, creative players to try and light the spark.
The problem is those players, Grealish, Gil et al aren't good enough so you have to be more solid, and we don't have the personnel.
I guarantee a manager such as the two above would set the defence better, put Richards at right back, play more solid midfield players and make the pitch smaller, grinding out the results based on clean sheets.
Sherwood I think is not a fool, but he doesn't have the players or the will to play that way.
Chelsea won easily today and we have to hope his positive approach gets us the full points next week, he won't and can't change.
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Hutton seemed to play most of the game with a I couldn't give a fuck smirk on his face. This is where we have come to as a club. Thanks Randy you egomaniac.
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He REALLY has to go now.
It not just the defeat. It's the manner of the defeat.
The fact that game petered out to nothing and the fact to completely failed to show up for the second half, proves that the bloke has absolutely no clue at all.
We have heard excuse after excuse of the last few weeks.
Players not fit enough.
Injuries.
Not my players.
Lost our best players.
So, after Stoke, he told us all he knows what the problems are, this included theplayers will be having a mini pre season because they are not fit enough.
Has has had 2 weeks to think about his approach to today's game.
It was every bit as limp, lifeless, listless, uninspiring and BORING as every other game this season.
What did he change?
How did he inspire them?
What did he do to make us better than before?
Fucking nothing.
Tinker with the team, but to no end whatsoever.
Go Tim, please just go, and take the useless twat Wilkins with you.
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That's the worst Chelsea side I can remember - even Newcastle got a point against them - and they didn't have to break sweat to beat us. They won't sack Sherwood this week - after all, a 0-2 loss to Chelsea away probably looks about right on paper for outsiders taking a cursory look in, and he can (rightly) blame stupid mistakes for this result. If they were going to do it they should have done it 2 weeks ago for getting just 1 point from 7 games, largely against supposedly 'easier' teams, and spent the international break getting someone competent in. The rot set in at the end of last season with the thrashing from Southampton, the home defeat by Burnley, and the no-show at the Cup Final, and it's gained momentum this season. He has to go, but dithering Lerner will probably leave it until Christmas, by which time we'll be so far adrift no manager in his right mind will touch us.
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Richards and Gueye I thought put a shift in.
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Richards and Gueye I thought put a shift in.
Richards always puts a shift in.
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It wouldn't have been half as bad if Chelsea had got their mojo back, played with pomp and played us off the park.
But they didn't. They were very,very ordinary.
That's all, ordinary.
But that was more than enough to roll us over.
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Yes I agree Gana was our best player.
We missed a great chance at nil nil gestede sliced over after a nice build up. Minutes later was game over.
Sack him before the coach gets to the motorway.
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Any post-match comments yet?
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They should have acted 2 weeks ago and moved heaven and earth to get Rogers or Moyes in.
We are sleepwalking to relegation under this regime. 1 point after the last 24 is incredible by anyone's standards...especially in a year when there is not even 1 great side in the League.
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Tim speaking on WM saying he was encouraged by the performance today.
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Right now Gana is too good for us.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him want to bail out pretty sharpish.
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Tim speaking on WM saying he was encouraged by the performance today.
And the transformation into Lambert is complete.
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Any post-match comments yet?
Yes, about 4 1/2 pages ;)
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So do we have to wait to get comprehensively outplayed and beaten by Swansea next week or could perhaps Tim just fuck off now?
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Tim speaking on WM saying he was encouraged by the performance today.
And the transformation into Lambert is complete.
Yep, bye bye Tim.
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So we lost then. I finally realised after many years, that we have something in common with our neighbours across the city.
We're tired and weary.
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If he's still in charge next Saturday it really could be his Bolton game.
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The most unfair thing this season is that we don't get to play Aston Villa.
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Swansea will pass the life out of us next week , we won't score , 0-2 or 0-3 easily.
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The feeling at the start of the season suggested it might be an edge of your seat season.Well I'm slumped in my seat.No longer angry just very sad.
Maybe the players feel the same.
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Richards and Gueye I thought put a shift in.
Richards always puts a shift in.
And he'll be gone next summer because as a player he won't accept this embaressing attitude towards defeat that everyone at the club has. There's always a rainbow round the next corner, that we are promised, coming soon an improvement from the embarrassment we've become, you just have to keep your gob shut, get behind the boys and keep paying and it'll happen. Well will it fuck, they're running the club in to the ground.
Lerner, complete failure, needs to go asap
Sherwood, office junior appointed as global manager, needs to go asap
That twat Fox and his false narratives, another money man who lacks the experience of the role he's taken on, needs to go
Almstadt, from what I've read another money man from Arsenal
Is there anyone at the club, from top to tea lady who has any fucking experience in doing what we are paying them immense sums of money to do?
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Goals change games and we gifted them two of the softest going. You do that anywhere and you're going to struggle.
Guzan is appalling. What a way to waste half an hours good work where we looked the better side and had created the only decent opening of the match.
After that it's always a tough task.
The routine nature of the soft goals we concede is systemic. Sherwood hasn't got the capability to organise us. A new manager please.
I fucking hate coming to this place.
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Richards and Gueye I thought put a shift in.
Richards always puts a shift in.
And he'll be gone next summer because as a player he won't accept this embaressing attitude towards defeat that everyone at the club has. There's always a rainbow round the next corner, that we are promised, coming soon an improvement from the embarrassment we've become, you just have to keep your gob shut, get behind the boys and keep paying and it'll happen. Well will it fuck, they're running the club in to the ground.
Lerner, complete failure, needs to go asap
Sherwood, office junior appointed as global manager, needs to go asap
That twat Fox and his false narratives, another money man who lacks the experience of the role he's taken on, needs to go
Almstadt, from what I've read another money man from Arsenal
Is there anyone at the club, from top to tea lady who has any fucking experience in doing what we are paying them immense sums of money to do?
The President Emeritus {whistles}
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4 points now from the last 11 league games and throw in the Cup Final debacle as well, the man's gotta go. Don't wait until after the Swansea game, get Rodgers in now.
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The most unfair thing this season is that we don't get to play Aston Villa.
We wouldn't beat them if we did.
God, that thought messes with your mind.
Its like that puzzle where you go round and round, up some steps, but always in the same place.
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4 points now from the last 11 league games and throw in the Cup Final debacle as well, the man's gotta go. Don't wait until after the Swansea game, get Rodgers in now.
Rodgers failed with a budget of 300 million, he'd have fucking no chance of succeeding at Villa.
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Tim speaking on WM saying he was encouraged by the performance today.
so much their goalie didnt even sweat
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Just a question of time now, waiting for Fox to admit he's made monumental fuck up and has given Tactics enough of a chance. Anyone who thinks he can turn this around obviously isn't familiar with his flounderings this season. Hopefully it will happen before we are too far gone to save ourselves - which is getting pretty close now. Sometimes you need the ruthlessness of a Levy type. Problem is Lerner and co usually follow a sacking by appointing someone even worse.
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The most unfair thing this season is that we don't get to play Aston Villa.
We wouldn't beat them if we did.
we might scrape an away draw
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Tim speaking on WM saying he was encouraged by the performance today.
so much their goalie didnt even sweat
I didn't see the game, but i can imagine how it panned out.
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We're only 7 points off 11th
I wonder if that will be Sherwood's new "win ratio".
I'd heard Chelsea were having a poor spell but I never realised they were that bad. luckily for them we were there to roll over and hand them the 3 points. First half was as good as we've been since Leicester but we never took advantage of the one real opportunity we created. As much as we tried to press Chelsea, we rarely won the ball. Liverpool at Anfield showed us how to do it but we were just going through the motions.
I really don't think it's possible to name a Man of the Match, all were poor and nobody stood out other than in a negative way.
To name the Worst Player of the Match is another matter.
Guzan - Bananas for feet - 5
Hutton - Committed - 5
Richards - Not a centre half, gave Costa all the space he needed - 4
Lescott - No longer a centre half, uncomfortable with the ball at his feet - 4
Richardson - Tough but clueless when advancing with ball - 4
Westwood - Seems so uncomfortable having to play a physical game - 4
Gueye - Poor lad must be knackered trying to do everything himself - 6
Gil - Floats around, tidy but not used effectively - 5
Grealish - Nice to watch but rarely produces anything - 5
Ayew - Great desire but not much more - 5
Gestede - One chance and he fluffed it. Easily marked out of games - 4
Subs:
Amavi - Normally good first half followed by a poor one where he makes a stupid mistake. 2nd half performance today. 4
Adama - Today he looked like a circus act and not a very good one. 3
Sherwood - He's so out of his depth it's frightening. He can blame mistakes all he wants but when he doesn't know what he's doing, you can hardly blame the players that they don't either.
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Richards always puts a shift in.
Actually he puts in at least two shifts covering for the useless twats around and behind him.
Guzan and Westwood stand-outs today for ineptitude. Richards, Gana, Grealish and Gil did well and Ayew showed some nice touches. Still don't get why our crossing is so poor considering we supposedly have the 'best header of the ball in the Premiership'
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Any post-match comments yet?
He's just been on sky.
Can't give goals to world class players.
Took the game to them in the first half dominated without opening them up too many times.
No rub of the green for the 2nd.
Doesn't want to get used to us making mistakes.
We have to move on.
He seemed quite chipper!
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Chelsea were awful yet we did nothing to suggest we could win.
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I would play Richards in midfield next Saturday. I know it's not his natural position but he will run through a brick wall to get to the ball and our current midfield is as lightweight as you will ever see.
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If we had a chairman who gave even half a shit the manager would have been sacked weeks ago. What a shitfest of a club Lerner has turned us into.
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Whats the record for consecutive games lost? We must be close now. How is Sherwood in a job still.
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Whats the record for consecutive games lost? We must be close now. How is Sherwood in a job still.
It's the fewest points in a Premier League season record that concerns me tonight.
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Whats the record for consecutive games lost? We must be close now. How is Sherwood in a job still.
We had seven under Lambert last season.
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If we had a chairman who wasn't a mentalist and a loser we wouldn't have suffered the 2 years we did after the Bradford and Milwall insulting performances but he is and we have and he will stick with this useless prick to the very last point possible because any action requires him to do something, which he decided years ago he couldn't be bothered about.
****** of a chairman Lerner is.
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I would play Richards in midfield next Saturday. I know it's not his natural position but he will run through a brick wall to get to the ball and our current midfield is as lightweight as you will ever see.
Would be a headless chicken chasing shadows. Has neither the passing or technique. It would be almost like the Clark experiment. We have plodder centre backs not Maldini's.
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If we had a chairman who wasn't a mentalist and a loser we wouldn't have suffered the 2 years we did after the Bradford and Milwall insulting performances but he is and we have and he will stick with this useless prick to the very last point possible because any action requires him to do something, which he decided years ago he couldn't be bothered about.
c*** of a chairman Lerner is.
Amen brother. Let's not forget who the real villain at the club is. Randy fuckin Lerner.
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Nice guy but as thick as a brick, just the way he likes his managers.
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Nice guy but as thick as a brick, just the way he likes his managers.
I don't even think that. I think he's a nasty devious bastard for what he's done to our club these last 6 seasons.
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It's fucking frightening to see how bad results form has been. Crazy.
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The thing is, we are now already back in that spiral, back in the mire.
September was barely over when the manager acknowledged that the clubs ambition is just to avoid relegation.
The mind set at the club was therefore established.
Basically, the players have been told we are in the shit. They now can't possibly play with confidence,flair, belief and freedom.
They are already playing with nervousnous, fear and, to some extents, resignation.
They are already approaching every game as another critical game that we can't afford to lose.
So, no one wants to take responsibility, no one wants to the one who fucks up and gives a goal away.
This has come from the way the club is run and managed.
Not only are us fans being 'managed' by having low expectations, but so are the players.
And it's only fucking October.
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Nice guy but as thick as a brick, just the way he likes his managers.
I don't even think that. I think he's a nasty devious bastard for what he's done to our club these last 6 seasons.
What fucking bollocks. Nasty devious bastard? Wow.
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Fuck, shit wank, bastard, ******. Stupid Albion ******. Looking at Man fucking city to do us a fucking favour. Put me out of my fucking misery you bunch of ******
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Thanks Leeg, bingo, a new wallpaper!
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If we had a chairman who wasn't a mentalist and a loser we wouldn't have suffered the 2 years we did after the Bradford and Milwall insulting performances but he is and we have and he will stick with this useless prick to the very last point possible because any action requires him to do something, which he decided years ago he couldn't be bothered about.
c*** of a chairman Lerner is.
Amen brother. Let's not forget who the real villain at the club is. Randy fuckin Lerner.
Yep, that can't be stressed enough. That clueless shit lies at the bottom of this. How he fucking conned us all along with his sycophantic lying friends
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Nice guy but as thick as a brick, just the way he likes his managers.
I don't even think that. I think he's a nasty devious bastard for what he's done to our club these last 6 seasons.
What fucking bollocks. Nasty devious bastard? Wow.
Move along, nothing to see here...
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Nice guy but as thick as a brick, just the way he likes his managers.
I don't even think that. I think he's a nasty devious bastard for what he's done to our club these last 6 seasons.
What fucking bollocks. Nasty devious bastard? Wow.
Move along, nothing to see here...
Yep, someone's found the LERNER keys on his keyboard again.
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The club I love with all my heart has become a joke and it fucking well hurts. I have seen it all including relegation to the third division (that's league 1 to you youngsters) but this us one of the worst teams we've ever had. Thanks Villa.
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If we had a chairman who wasn't a mentalist and a loser we wouldn't have suffered the 2 years we did after the Bradford and Milwall insulting performances but he is and we have and he will stick with this useless prick to the very last point possible because any action requires him to do something, which he decided years ago he couldn't be bothered about.
c*** of a chairman Lerner is.
Amen brother. Let's not forget who the real villain at the club is. Randy fuckin Lerner.
Yep, that can't be stressed enough. That clueless shit lies at the bottom of this. How he fucking conned us all along with his sycophantic lying friends
Nonsense. Blame him for appointing shit managers by all means but at least get a grip of reality.
It was only a few months ago everybody thought he was wonderful with all our new signings.
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I think back to his remarks when he took over.
He thought himself as a custodian of the club, it's history and heritage, he understood it all, blah blah.
When push came to shove he then employed so of the worst solutions to the problems we had. For a club who he claimed to get and respect how does he reconcile appointing perennial losers like Mcleish or work experience candidates like Lambert and Sherwood.
I love this club, always have done, I've spent 30 years watching them now, which is a fraction of the time some have done and it bloody hurts watching us as we are. I KNOW we are a big club, I've lived it and feel it whenever I'm in the ground. We need someone in place managing this team with a prescence. Partially to help us gain back some respect, we have none anymore, we are a bit of a joke. Someone to instil a bit of fear in to the others, with a brain, years of doing it, someone who won't be laughed at or ridiculed. Not another rent a quote with nothing to back it up, or someone who's just really pleased to be here because he's only manager a fucking turnip of a club like Norwich City.
Lerner cannot completely disconnect with the club and expect to get anything right. It's not going to happen, but before he sells, he needs to sort this mess out that is partially of his making. The first port of call should be to make the next appointment one that would turn a few heads.
We are in the so called best league in the world.
There is money pouring out of everyones ears.
We are still very very well known.
Huge ground, great support and ghosts from the past that can only inspire the best.
Make the next appointment something fitting of what we were and still can be, let's not accept what isn't even second best, some no mark from a nothing club who will completely crumble under the pressure of managing one of this countries truly big clubs.
If he hasn't learnt his mistake from 3 examples then he never will and we are doomed. We're Villa, 7 Fa Cups, 7 leagues, 5 league cups and the big one, let's have a bit of bloody self respect and expect more than what we are getting, no more losing 5,6,7 in a row and carrying on like it's to be expected. No more not scoring game after game and carrying on like it's to be expected. No more losing to shithouses like Palace and Stoke at home without a whimper. No more employing people who crumble because they have no substance.
We need to find some respect for ourselves again and the first stage is appointing a manager that is respected. Over to you Fox and Lerner you pair of twats.
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Westwood is god fucking awful
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Don't call out Lerner.
Pelty will call you a nitwit.
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Now really villa should have attacked with pace v Chelsea today. Also baba looked suspect and needed to be constantly hounded. Ayew would have been better stationed on right side therefore. Gil cuts in and wonders around he , Westwood and grealish looked too lightweight for this battle. Gestede needed support be ayew closer to him or Sinclair . The back two of Chelsea have been struggling and today pressure and attacking impetus needed wasn't shown.
Onto the goal of gift by guzan. The passing back in first place is just a lack of responsibly and then the dam awful clearance out. Absolutely typical.
The second goal was poor all round from disjointed shape to team.
Gestede had scraps but had a decent attempt when lively play by ayew crossing the ball. Also hutton and greslish had chances in area but made wrong decisions. Hutton certainly had 2 chances to create a goal.
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I don't think there's any conspiracy as far as Lerner is concerned. He's just been naive. Giving O'Neill the keys to the place... The Houllier and McLeish debacle... Holding onto Lambert for 1 season too long.. austerity... young and hungry... cheap experienced PL players... and now the buying of cheaper foreign talent. The best thing would for him to be able to sell but he can't. The big Catch 22 for us.
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Don't call out Lerner.
Pelty will call you a nitwit.
And the General might get uppity too. I'm sure he's still a regular on here, feeling the pain with the rest of us.
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They're still with us through the thick and thin. We'll the only thick we've had is the managers we employ and the thin the goals we score.
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Four points. Nine games. Wow. I just don't see this changing without a change of Manager.
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Don't worry guys just after Xmas we will employ the usual
" cor blimey Guvna" manager with the usual
" there a massive club"
" fantastic support"
" great history and heritage"
Go on a cup run and things will be all ok
I seen this club go into the 3rd like others have said, been going down for over 49 years but never have I seen a team wearing our colours crumble like we do week after fucking week
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First half hour was fine, then we saw Guzan at his worst. Why do the coaches not instruct Guzan to NEVER take any risks with your passing ? Its seeing the same mistakes (and Westwood corner kicks) again and again that is the most frustrating.
Westwood has no physical presence whatsoever and he creates nothing. Add to that he looks low on confidence so why keep playing him ? I would drop him for Sanchez, but otherwise I think we should continue with this team in order to create some sort of understanding between the players. By this I mean keep playing Lescott and Hutton in defence instead of switching all the time. And keep playing Gil and Gralish together. At least for some games to try and make it work.
And maybe try Ayew or Sinclair as our main striker. I know Gestede is our top scorer but he hardly touches the ball during games. It might work better for Grealish and Gil to have a different kind of striker.
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Four points. Nine games. Wow. I just don't see this changing without a change of Manager.
We had 4 goals in 9 games this time last season. So I call that the double completed! Total failure. Two managers with a grand total of 18 months in top flight football.
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I don't think there's any conspiracy as far as Lerner is concerned. He's just been naive. Giving O'Neill the keys to the place... The Houllier and McLeish debacle... Holding onto Lambert for 1 season too long.. austerity... young and hungry... cheap experienced PL players... and now the buying of cheaper foreign talent. The best thing would for him to be able to sell but he can't. The big Catch 22 for us.
on the subject of conspiracy ive said this before but does
nobody else think that with lerner on the other side of the pond
certain people,consortiums or whatever are fucking up our club,
turning it into a championship club and snapping it up at a knockdown price?
stranger things have happened
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Four points. Nine games. Wow. I just don't see this changing without a change of Manager.
Don't worry, it will change. It'll go like this:
4 points 10 games
4 points 11 games
4 points 12 games...............etc
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Also get your calculator out randy cause as a Premiership club we are worth Ł???? Amount of millions.
As a championship club we are worth Ł?? Of millions
And I'm the guy who met him in London had. Coffee with him and chatted about the villa like two old mates for over 20 minutes
But I think it's time
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When you're standing outside Fulham Broadway in a queue for half an hour, surrounded by half and half scarves, clutching a near fifty quid ticket that's been reduced by a fucking subsidy, having watched Kieran fucking Richardson at left back, in a side that actually looked worse than the seven on the bench, you start to wonder why you actually bother travelling to watch this shit.
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Bodymoor Heath must be a Cocoon of inner warmth from Monday to Friday.....My guess is that they spend the week telling each other that they are Brilliant and that someday they will be world beaters.
If it was a factory, it would be closed down long ago for selling dodgy products.
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A Factory of Sadness?
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When you're standing outside Fulham Broadway in a queue for half an hour, surrounded by half and half scarves, clutching a near fifty quid ticket that's been reduced by a fucking subsidy, having watched Kieran fucking Richardson at left back, in a side that actually looked worse than the seven on the bench, you start to wonder why you actually bother travelling to watch this shit.
It's why many of us don't travel anymore.
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Apparently Wilkins spent most of the match having a laugh and a joke with the Chelsea fans and hugging Mourinho.
Noticed that once just before HT
Wilkins is just on a free and easy ride on about Ł500k per year of our money. Total and utter waste
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Well after Turner, McNeil and Lambert it didn't think it could get worse.
Oh, for the days of McLeish again.
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I've been saying it for weeks, Guzan is a liability at the moment. Give Bunn a run in the team. We were the better team until Guzan's error. Plus it's not the first time.
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Can I just say you are all invited round my house when we play MK Dons away next season
I live the other side of the city but it's better than Bletchley where the stadium is as it's a shit hole round there
don't be a stranger
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No doubt the lads will be out on it big time in the west end shortly. After all they're worth it.
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Can I just say you are all invited round my house when we play MK Dons away next season
I live the other side of the city but it's better than Bletchley where the stadium is as it's a shit hole round there
don't be a stranger
Thanks mate.
I'll bring some cans.
Can you let us all have your full address please? :-)
Many a true word spoken in jest !
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I am getting quite close to not caring and that is bad. I spent most of the game time on errands and had no intentions of looking for match status or result. Only found out incidentally when on a radio news item they mentioned "Chelsea win eases pressure on Mourinho" comment.
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Enough of this bullshit; 9 defeats in the last 11 league games means it is time for Sherwood to go.
No plan. No clue. No progress.
Sherwood Out
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Can I just say you are all invited round my house when we play MK Dons away next season
I live the other side of the city but it's better than Bletchley where the stadium is as it's a shit hole round there
don't be a stranger
That's very nice of you. Assuming Preston don't go down I can reciprocate for the visit to Deepdale. My son's friend works on the gate - he might squeeze you in for free!
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Worst result possible today, a narrow defeat. Could of done with a hammering and sherwood being sacked tonight.
Pathetic
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Enough of this bullshit; 9 defeats in the last 11 league games means it is time for Sherwood to go.
No plan. No clue. No progress.
Sherwood Out
Who takes over? Rodgers or Moyes wouldn't touch this car crash with a barge pole
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Worst result possible today, a narrow defeat. Could of done with a hammering and sherwood being sacked tonight.
Pathetic
Very. A draw/win would have been infinitely preferable.
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Meh
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Can I just say you are all invited round my house when we play MK Dons away next season
I live the other side of the city but it's better than Bletchley where the stadium is as it's a shit hole round there
don't be a stranger
What time do you want us John?
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Any post-match comments yet?
He's just been on sky.
Can't give goals to world class players.
Took the game to them in the first half dominated without opening them up too many times.
No rub of the green for the 2nd.
Doesn't want to get used to us making mistakes.
We have to move on.
He seemed quite chipper!
Well it wasn't 8-0 so he probably feels pretty chuffed about that
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Can I just say you are all invited round my house when we play MK Dons away next season
I live the other side of the city but it's better than Bletchley where the stadium is as it's a shit hole round there
don't be a stranger
Thanks mate.
I'll bring some cans.
Can you let us all have your full address please? :-)
Many a true word spoken in jest !
I'll do some Chilli
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Enough of this bullshit; 9 defeats in the last 11 league games means it is time for Sherwood to go.
No plan. No clue. No progress.
Sherwood Out
Who takes over? Rodgers or Moyes wouldn't touch this car crash with a barge pole
They would. Purely because its October, not March
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Can I just say you are all invited round my house when we play MK Dons away next season
I live the other side of the city but it's better than Bletchley where the stadium is as it's a shit hole round there
don't be a stranger
That's very nice of you. Assuming Preston don't go down I can reciprocate for the visit to Deepdale. My son's friend works on the gate - he might squeeze you in for free!
Likewise for Leeds, assuming they stay up. There's always Huddersfield.
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Worst result possible today, a narrow defeat. Could of done with a hammering and sherwood being sacked tonight.
Pathetic
Very. A draw/win would have been infinitely preferable.
Never happening under Sherbert
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What was frustrating was the amount of times gave ball away. I mean it wasn't just guzan who was sloppy but on numerous occasions players gave ball away. Even amavi who came on as a like for like was quickly guilty of giving ball away in dangerous area. Ashley westwood was probanly most at fault also the corner thing by Westwood really needs to be addressed is there some sort of online petition or email or comment to Tim that someone else needs to be on them or at least varye the floating balls to same spot if ball actually beats first man.
Gestede needs to work on hold up play as does ayew and traroe doin team play and not trying to dribble all by self. It was frustrating seeing
Overall villa players needed to be far higher up the pitch , needed more width and a pressure on the CD a neccisity. The tempo was genuinely lacking and swash buckle is a fantasy and sheer bravado to suit the Sherwood persona and utter poppycock. Such a term the likes of Wenger at arsenal , guardiola at bayern wouldn't be labeled with. Klopp will dare to engage and press the opponents Sherwood only daring in talk . I'd like to say well done is well said. Sherwood is only daring in his prattle sound bites and nothing in his 2015/16 managerial tactics , play and actual doing has merrited anything that strikes me as any good measure of correctness in going about getting results
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Can I just say you are all invited round my house when we play MK Dons away next season
I live the other side of the city but it's better than Bletchley where the stadium is as it's a shit hole round there
don't be a stranger
That's very nice of you. Assuming Preston don't go down I can reciprocate for the visit to Deepdale. My son's friend works on the gate - he might squeeze you in for free!
Likewise for Leeds, assuming they stay up. There's always Huddersfield.
Mmmm... relagation suddenly it looks like blissmas.... everywhere you look!
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This is a sad report from BBC:
The returning Diego Costa played a key role as Chelsea earned a much-needed win over struggling Aston Villa.
The striker tapped in Willian's pass midway through the first half after defender Joleon Lescott's mis-control gifted the ball to the home side.
It was a welcome break for the Blues, who doubled their lead when Villa's Alan Hutton deflected in Costa's shot.
Chelsea, 16th in the table at the start of the day, were not at their best - but Villa offered little.
What contributions Tim Sherwood's side did make to the game were all in Chelsea's favour as they repeatedly gave the ball away and were punished accordingly.
They remain in 18th place and without a win in their past eight matches.
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Today was always a write off (a win predicted by 74% on here), so why the outpouring of grief? No managerial decision can legislate for a fuck up like Guzan's today. All the wailing and moaning is pointless and the desire for managerial change, wishful thinking. Sherwood will be in charge next Saturday.
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Nice guy but as thick as a brick, just the way he likes his managers.
I don't even think that. I think he's a nasty devious bastard for what he's done to our club these last 6 seasons.
Really?
Devious would mean everything that's happened is by design in some sort of plan.
The sort of plan that risks turning the Ł50-100M he's already on to lose if he can ever find a buyer into a Ł200M loss, just to piss offl/spite 30,000 regular fans and at a guesstimate another 100,000 of us dotted around the globe.
Have you been possessed by the spirit of Danlanza, because that's the kind of bollocks he'd spout.
How about he hadn't got a clue from day 1.
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Goals change games and we gifted them two of the softest going. You do that anywhere and you're going to struggle.
Guzan is appalling. What a way to waste half an hours good work where we looked the better side and had created the only decent opening of the match.
After that it's always a tough task.
The routine nature of the soft goals we concede is systemic. Sherwood hasn't got the capability to organise us. A new manager please.
I fucking hate coming to this place.
I'm fed up with the bravado and lack of doing on the pitch. I do hope when the inevitable happens that Wilkins isn't given even one game as a caretaker role too. That would be tragic.
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They should have acted 2 weeks ago and moved heaven and earth to get Rogers or Moyes in.
We are sleepwalking to relegation under this regime. 1 point after the last 24 is incredible by anyone's standards...especially in a year when there is not even 1 great side in the League.
Agreed - the standard of the league is shite and the promoted teams are making us look like fools (along with toon and Mackems). It's fucking bleak. These regular runs of continuous defeats are ridiculous. Sherwood will go soon I'm sure but I can't see a way out of this defeatist culture unless we are sold. Another one heading for the managerial graveyard and not sure if there's anyone of worth who would be interested in trying to turn us around.The whole infrastructure of the club is rotten
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Nice guy but as thick as a brick, just the way he likes his managers.
I don't even think that. I think he's a nasty devious bastard for what he's done to our club these last 6 seasons.
Really?
Devious would mean everything that's happened is by design in some sort of plan.
The sort of plan that risks turning the Ł50-100M he's already on to lose if he can ever find a buyer into a Ł200M loss, just to piss offl/spite 30,000 regular fans and at a guesstimate another 100,000 of us dotted around the globe.
Have you been possessed by the spirit of Danlanza, because that's the kind of bollocks he'd spout.
How about he hadn't got a clue from day 1.
as I keep saying he could be getting stitched up
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Today was always a write off (a win predicted by 74% on here), so why the outpouring of grief? No managerial decision can legislate for a fuck up like Guzan's today. All the wailing and moaning is pointless and the desire for managerial change, wishful thinking. Sherwood will be in charge next Saturday.
I can imagine Lerner and Fox muttering those words
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Nice guy but as thick as a brick, just the way he likes his managers.
I don't even think that. I think he's a nasty devious bastard for what he's done to our club these last 6 seasons.
Really?
Devious would mean everything that's happened is by design in some sort of plan.
The sort of plan that risks turning the Ł50-100M he's already on to lose if he can ever find a buyer into a Ł200M loss, just to piss offl/spite 30,000 regular fans and at a guesstimate another 100,000 of us dotted around the globe.
Have you been possessed by the spirit of Danlanza, because that's the kind of bollocks he'd spout.
How about he hadn't got a clue from day 1.
as I keep saying he could be getting stitched up
By whom?
When Faulkner was CEO, the managers reported directly to Lerner.
It's only since last year where everything ends with Fox who only reports to Lerner as any other CEO would be answerable to shareholders.
Anything else is getting decidedly David Icke.
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Can I just say you are all invited round my house when we play MK Dons away next season
I live the other side of the city but it's better than Bletchley where the stadium is as it's a shit hole round there
don't be a stranger
That's very nice of you. Assuming Preston don't go down I can reciprocate for the visit to Deepdale. My son's friend works on the gate - he might squeeze you in for free!
Likewise for Leeds, assuming they stay up. There's always Huddersfield.
Mmmm... relagation suddenly it looks like blissmas.... everywhere you look!
I don't live anywhere near the Madjeski Stadium but my in-laws do and I am sure they wouldn't mind us all popping in for a brew when we play Reading.
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Nice guy but as thick as a brick, just the way he likes his managers.
I don't even think that. I think he's a nasty devious bastard for what he's done to our club these last 6 seasons.
Really?
Devious would mean everything that's happened is by design in some sort of plan.
The sort of plan that risks turning the Ł50-100M he's already on to lose if he can ever find a buyer into a Ł200M loss, just to piss offl/spite 30,000 regular fans and at a guesstimate another 100,000 of us dotted around the globe.
Have you been possessed by the spirit of Danlanza, because that's the kind of bollocks he'd spout.
How about he hadn't got a clue from day 1.
as I keep saying he could be getting stitched up
By whom?
When Faulkner was CEO, the managers reported directly to Lerner.
It's only since last year where everything ends with Fox who only reports to Lerner as any other CEO would be answerable to shareholders.
Anything else is getting decidedly David Icke.
why then does he do nothing about the situation?
is he being badly advised?
on purpose?
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Villa now stir no feelings within me. I pay attention but I'm beyond even clapping sarcastically at their shite.
This .... I`ve had enough - where`s the spirit?
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Courtesy of @ThatDanWard on Twitter:
if we want 36pts from 29 games (to reach 40pts), i've bad news: villa haven't achieved that in a 29 game run in a single season since 10/11.
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Villa now stir no feelings within me. I pay attention but I'm beyond even clapping sarcastically at their shite.
This .... I`ve had enough - where`s the spirit?
twice
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Today was always a write off (a win predicted by 74% on here), so why the outpouring of grief? No managerial decision can legislate for a fuck up like Guzan's today. All the wailing and moaning is pointless and the desire for managerial change, wishful thinking. Sherwood will be in charge next Saturday.
Guzan shouldn't be getting selected.
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Courtesy of @ThatDanWard on Twitter:
if we want 36pts from 29 games (to reach 40pts), i've bad news: villa haven't achieved that in a 29 game run in a single season since 10/11.
Gulp.
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The club I love with all my heart has become a joke and it fucking well hurts. I have seen it all including relegation to the third division (that's league 1 to you youngsters) but this us one of the worst teams we've ever had. Thanks Villa.
coukdnt agree more been going since 1963 season ticket holder since 1968. we had some pretty poor players in late 60's but at
lleast they would make up for it with 100% effort and llook as if they cared and were proud to wear the claret and blue of Aston Villa. im almost hoping they get relegated because if they do AVFC will no longer be part of my life. In reality AVFC probably died for me when my father passed away 2 years ago he had also become very disillusioned after 60 years of supporting them. R.I.P dad R.I.P Aston Villa
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The club is a mere shadow of its former self.
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Quitters all of you 😉
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Hasn't he gone yet? FFS the club yet again can't do the obvious. The continuation of shit decision making for the last 5 years...
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Today was always a write off (a win predicted by 74% on here), so why the outpouring of grief? No managerial decision can legislate for a fuck up like Guzan's today. All the wailing and moaning is pointless and the desire for managerial change, wishful thinking. Sherwood will be in charge next Saturday.
Guzan shouldn't be getting selected.
Or Lescott
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Nice guy but as thick as a brick, just the way he likes his managers.
I don't even think that. I think he's a nasty devious bastard for what he's done to our club these last 6 seasons.
Really?
Devious would mean everything that's happened is by design in some sort of plan.
The sort of plan that risks turning the Ł50-100M he's already on to lose if he can ever find a buyer into a Ł200M loss, just to piss offl/spite 30,000 regular fans and at a guesstimate another 100,000 of us dotted around the globe.
Have you been possessed by the spirit of Danlanza, because that's the kind of bollocks he'd spout.
How about he hadn't got a clue from day 1.
as I keep saying he could be getting stitched up
By whom?
When Faulkner was CEO, the managers reported directly to Lerner.
It's only since last year where everything ends with Fox who only reports to Lerner as any other CEO would be answerable to shareholders.
Anything else is getting decidedly David Icke.
why then does he do nothing about the situation?
is he being badly advised?
on purpose?
Because he's hopeless at running a business placing too much weight on personal relationships (see the loyalty like I've never seen at the end of 13/14 season) which means he's reluctant to act. I'm convinced that if Fox hadn't been in place last year we'd have gone down and Lambert would still be in charge.
We can only hope that Fox is either giving Sherwood enough rope to hang himself from a contractual point of view (personally I'd take the extra hit in the wallet to get him out of the door earlyor he's waiting to ditch him until he's sure that he's got the replacement he wants lined up.
No great conspiracy, just recognising that the circumstances haven't been constant in terms of who's making the calls and if the choice was an extra 2 weeks of Sherwood whilst we got the right replacement, or 2 weeks of Wilkins as caretaker whilst we got the right replacement then what we've got right now Is probably the least shitty option.
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Apparently Wilkins spent most of the match having a laugh and a joke with the Chelsea fans and hugging Mourinho.
Noticed that once just before HT
Wilkins is just on a free and easy ride on about Ł500k per year of our money. Total and utter waste
Wilkins was a disgusting appointment. Apart from the fact that he had no specific expertise or defined role, as we all know he had no affection for our club either. Villa was just another lucrative gig for him, but he probably knew when he took it that it wouldn't last too long.
If he'd been of any use, would Abramovich - who obviously has far more money than our hopeless owner can ever dream of - have got rid of him? And that was at the club he'd want to be at more than any other.!
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There is not a single what I'd call "villa person" involved in the club at board or managerial level. The club has been woefully run and mismanaged and it's getting worse by the day. I fear its terminal now.
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Nice guy but as thick as a brick, just the way he likes his managers.
I don't even think that. I think he's a nasty devious bastard for what he's done to our club these last 6 seasons.
Really?
Devious would mean everything that's happened is by design in some sort of plan.
The sort of plan that risks turning the Ł50-100M he's already on to lose if he can ever find a buyer into a Ł200M loss, just to piss offl/spite 30,000 regular fans and at a guesstimate another 100,000 of us dotted around the globe.
Have you been possessed by the spirit of Danlanza, because that's the kind of bollocks he'd spout.
How about he hadn't got a clue from day 1.
as I keep saying he could be getting stitched up
By whom?
When Faulkner was CEO, the managers reported directly to Lerner.
It's only since last year where everything ends with Fox who only reports to Lerner as any other CEO would be answerable to shareholders.
Anything else is getting decidedly David Icke.
why then does he do nothing about the situation?
is he being badly advised?
on purpose?
Because he's hopeless at running a business placing too much weight on personal relationships (see the loyalty like I've never seen at the end of 13/14 season) which means he's reluctant to act. I'm convinced that if Fox hadn't been in place last year we'd have gone down and Lambert would still be in charge.
We can only hope that Fox is either giving Sherwood enough rope to hang himself from a contractual point of view (personally I'd take the extra hit in the wallet to get him out of the door earlyor he's waiting to ditch him until he's sure that he's got the replacement he wants lined up.
No great conspiracy, just recognising that the circumstances haven't been constant in terms of who's making the calls and if the choice was an extra 2 weeks of Sherwood whilst we got the right replacement, or 2 weeks of Wilkins as caretaker whilst we got the right replacement then what we've got right now Is probably the least shitty option.
but surely even randy knows the money involved in staying up
he really cant afford to hang around(no joke intended)
now is definitely not the time for joking about or pissing about
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There is not a single what I'd call "villa person" involved in the club at board or managerial level. The club has been woefully run and mismanaged and it's getting worse by the day. I fear its terminal now.
I met a guy a couple of years ago who was Doug's driver/Man Friday etc. He didn't have a good word to say about Lerner and the way staff at VP were treated post takeover. I thought he was just bitter at first but now I get more of what he was saying. They really don't get the club or even the whole "soccer" thing.
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There is not a single what I'd call "villa person" involved in the club at board or managerial level. The club has been woefully run and mismanaged and it's getting worse by the day. I fear its terminal now.
I met a guy a couple of years ago who was Doug's driver/Man Friday etc. He didn't have a good word to say about Lerner and the way staff at VP were treated post takeover. I thought he was just bitter at first but now I get more of what he was saying. They really don't get the club or even the whole "soccer" thing.
Agree, and I've met fox , lovely bloke but scary how little he knows about football.
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There is not a single what I'd call "villa person" involved in the club at board or managerial level. The club has been woefully run and mismanaged and it's getting worse by the day. I fear its terminal now.
I met a guy a couple of years ago who was Doug's driver/Man Friday etc. He didn't have a good word to say about Lerner and the way staff at VP were treated post takeover. I thought he was just bitter at first but now I get more of what he was saying. They really don't get the club or even the whole "soccer" thing.
No but reality will bite when we get relegated and the club's revenue drops by about Ł100m a year. Too late for us fans then though.
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There is not a single what I'd call "villa person" involved in the club at board or managerial level. The club has been woefully run and mismanaged and it's getting worse by the day. I fear its terminal now.
I met a guy a couple of years ago who was Doug's driver/Man Friday etc. He didn't have a good word to say about Lerner and the way staff at VP were treated post takeover. I thought he was just bitter at first but now I get more of what he was saying. They really don't get the club or even the whole "soccer" thing.
No but reality will bite when we get relegated and the club's revenue drops by about Ł100m a year. Too late for us fans then though.
Nah we'll still turn up. It might even be more fun. God knows it's excruciatingly painful at the moment...
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Right now I'd take beating Bolton 1-0 then another scoreless, clueless defeat next week.
We played good today. Where have I heard that before?
We'll be ok, we just will. Where have I heard that before?
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Does anyone know why Jordan Veretout did not figure today. Not even on the bench. Has any reporter asked Sherwood that question?
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We turned up in or thousands in the 3rd
We turned up in our thousands in the 2nd
And we will turn up in our thousands in the championship if we have to
Because we Are Aston villa
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Does anyone know why Jordan Veretout did not figure today. Not even on the bench. Has any reporter asked Sherwood that question?
Dropped I'm guessing after poor game v Stoke ?
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Anything to say Mr Lerner ?
(http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hub/151939/file-456474701-jpg/images/head_in_sand.jpg)
No, thought not.
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Anything to say Mr Lerner ?
(http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hub/151939/file-456474701-jpg/images/head_in_sand.jpg)
No, thought not.
am I the only one who thinks that could be tom fox
I think he may be the problem
too smarmy for me
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Does anyone know why Jordan Veretout did not figure today. Not even on the bench. Has any reporter asked Sherwood that question?
Dropped I'm guessing after poor game v Stoke ?
Erm, not quite, he was one of the better performers in the Stoke game...
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Fox is a money man who knows about as much about football as my arsehole.
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There is not a single what I'd call "villa person" involved in the club at board or managerial level. The club has been woefully run and mismanaged and it's getting worse by the day. I fear its terminal now.
I met a guy a couple of years ago who was Doug's driver/Man Friday etc. He didn't have a good word to say about Lerner and the way staff at VP were treated post takeover. I thought he was just bitter at first but now I get more of what he was saying. They really don't get the club or even the whole "soccer" thing.
Agree, and I've met fox , lovely bloke but scary how little he knows about football.
At least you had something in common.
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Fox is a money man who knows about as much about football as my arsehole.
my conspiracy theory
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There is not a single what I'd call "villa person" involved in the club at board or managerial level. The club has been woefully run and mismanaged and it's getting worse by the day. I fear its terminal now.
I met a guy a couple of years ago who was Doug's driver/Man Friday etc. He didn't have a good word to say about Lerner and the way staff at VP were treated post takeover. I thought he was just bitter at first but now I get more of what he was saying. They really don't get the club or even the whole "soccer" thing.
Agree, and I've met fox , lovely bloke but scary how little he knows about football.
At least you had something in common.
At least he's lovely
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Where was Veretout today?
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Where was Veretout today?
I did wonder that, is he injured as cannot believe he didn't even make the bench? Was amazed when Amavi was on the bench also, maybe he was with France under 21 but then Hutton was with Scotland.
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Guys, I know we're bad but surely we didn't trick ourselves into thinking we could get a result. Even when Chelsea are at their worst we are no match for them. We can't even compete against the bottom third of the league. We have a terrible record at Stamford Bridge.
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Fox is a money man who knows about as much about football as my arsehole.
What is your arsehole saying about current state of affairs?
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Guys, I know we're bad but surely we didn't trick ourselves into thinking we could get a result. Even when Chelsea are at their worst we are not match for them. We can't even compete against the bottom third of the leagues. We have a terrible record at Stamford Bridge.
Looking like we were interested in giving them a game, picking a team that makes sense (e.g. Gestede playing with the best crosser of a ball on the bench) might have been caused for a modicum of optimism, regardless of the result.
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Guys, I know we're bad but surely we didn't trick ourselves into thinking we could get a result. Even when Chelsea are at their worst we are not match for them. We can't even compete against the bottom third of the leagues. We have a terrible record at Stamford Bridge.
Looking like we were interested in giving them a game, picking a team that makes sense (e.g. Gestede playing with the best crosser of a ball on the bench) might have been caused for a modicum of optimism, regardless of the result.
Optimism will only lead to let down. We need to take a step back and be realistic. Save your piss and vinegar for draws to Sunderland at home and shit shows like Leicester and West Brom. There's no shame in losing to the Champions at their place. Everyone should go down the schedule and circle the games they expect to get point(s) from, then they can reserve their right to be angry or upset.
I wouldn't have circled this one piss drunk.
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Guys, I know we're bad but surely we didn't trick ourselves into thinking we could get a result. Even when Chelsea are at their worst we are not match for them. We can't even compete against the bottom third of the leagues. We have a terrible record at Stamford Bridge.
Looking like we were interested in giving them a game, picking a team that makes sense (e.g. Gestede playing with the best crosser of a ball on the bench) might have been caused for a modicum of optimism, regardless of the result.
Optimism will only lead to let down. We need to take a step back and be realistic. Save your piss and vinegar for draws to Sunderland at home and shit shows like Leicester and West Brom. There's no shame in losing to the Champions at their place. Everyone should go down the schedule and circle the games they expect to get point(s) from, then they can reserve their right to be angry or upset.
I wouldn't have circled this one piss drunk.
Did you see the match, though?
Chelsea were fucking awful. I honestly reckon most of the sides in the league would have beaten them today, and without too much struggle.
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Guys, I know we're bad but surely we didn't trick ourselves into thinking we could get a result. Even when Chelsea are at their worst we are not match for them. We can't even compete against the bottom third of the leagues. We have a terrible record at Stamford Bridge.
Looking like we were interested in giving them a game, picking a team that makes sense (e.g. Gestede playing with the best crosser of a ball on the bench) might have been caused for a modicum of optimism, regardless of the result.
Optimism will only lead to let down. We need to take a step back and be realistic. Save your piss and vinegar for draws to Sunderland at home and shit shows like Leicester and West Brom. There's no shame in losing to the Champions at their place. Everyone should go down the schedule and circle the games they expect to get point(s) from, then they can reserve their right to be angry or upset.
I wouldn't have circled this one piss drunk.
Did you see the match, though?
Chelsea were fucking awful. I honestly reckon most of the sides in the league would have beaten them today, and without too much struggle.
They would have at least scored ..even WBA got 2 against them.
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Another loss no goals scored against an average looking team if we would have turned up we could have got a result against them I can't see where our next win is coming from.
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You and me, Brother D.
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And Bobby McGee.
And Bobby Gentry.
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Guys, I know we're bad but surely we didn't trick ourselves into thinking we could get a result. Even when Chelsea are at their worst we are not match for them. We can't even compete against the bottom third of the leagues. We have a terrible record at Stamford Bridge.
Looking like we were interested in giving them a game, picking a team that makes sense (e.g. Gestede playing with the best crosser of a ball on the bench) might have been caused for a modicum of optimism, regardless of the result.
Optimism will only lead to let down. We need to take a step back and be realistic. Save your piss and vinegar for draws to Sunderland at home and shit shows like Leicester and West Brom. There's no shame in losing to the Champions at their place. Everyone should go down the schedule and circle the games they expect to get point(s) from, then they can reserve their right to be angry or upset.
I wouldn't have circled this one piss drunk.
Did you see the match, though?
Chelsea were fucking awful. I honestly reckon most of the sides in the league would have beaten them today, and without too much struggle.
Watched it sparingly live as I was at work, but just finished watching it in it's entirety. I didn't think the first half was all that bad. Grealish looked sharp, Richardson surprised me, and I thought Ayew and Gueye were impressive. Pretty decent one touch football in spurts, but our final third is just not up to par.
How no one on Chelsea got a yellow card for silly foul accumulation is beyond me. Ramires and Pedro were shocking, as was that Baba fellow. I don't think Azpilicueta played well, and Willian is softer than my nan.
As for the second half, we just didn't improve. It's as simple as that. The game was certainly there for the taking but I've said it before and I will say it again.. Rudy Gestede is just too limited to carry us as Benteke did. We had a striker who could trap a ball, beat a defender and score with any part of his body. We've replaced him with a very, and I mean very, one dimensional Championship level striker. I didn't not see Gestede complete a pass until the 71st minute. He has absolutely no involvement in the build up and make no runs in behind defenders. He is solely a lump it to me and I'll nod it in type of striker. There is no technical ability to his game.
I was not happy with Adama Traore's involvement whatsoever, and that's all I'm going to say about him.
It's hard to believe that on a day where we were shut out at the defending Champions' ground we had the bulk of possession, had a higher number of passes and a better pass completion rate that we'd come off looking poor. Even with the exclusion of Hazard, Matic and Cahill at the start. Jose really threw a curveball with a few people in his selection to get them out of a slump, in my opinion anyways.
When your luck is out, it's out. We're back to the days of clumsy defending ruining our weekend and Nathan Baker and Ciaran Clark are no where near the squad. That worries me. I really don't know where we go from here, as we don't look like a squad capable of scoring let alone winning. In my opinion we must stop persisting with Gestede and Westwood. AW had three misplaced passes within the first eight minutes. It's so frustrating.
I don't know what we have to do to get a result. If any combination of players should manage to create a goal it's Grealish, Gil, Ayew and Gueye.. and we managed a single shot on net, might've been two.
What now? I have no idea. I don't think anyone at the club does. If we go down, Randy deserves it, but that's football I guess. We're lucky to be in the top flight as it is. We just have no one willing to take any accountability at the club. Sad state of affairs, as it has been for years, but I'll see you guys next weekend.
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30 plus minutes of hard work, thrown away in a second. Those who say the pass back should not happen, for gods sake it is part of the game, more important is to have a goalkeeper that can deal with it, all through the game even before his fuck up, any ball that went back to Guzan, Chelsea tryed to harry him as they know he is a mistake waiting to happen.
Westwood why oh why. Gill is to lightweight and his range of passing only benefits us if we had players who can move off the ball, we have not. Jack needs to be able to last 90 minutes, but again he is limited as to his influence due to the lack of movement in front or alongside him.
Major concern is that was Tim going for it, but their keeper did not have one shot to save, what has been said about Gestede already is valid, so Sherwood needs to look at another way of setting up our forward line .
Mr. Lerner whether it is Tim or not some serious spend has got to take place in January, if it is not too late by then, time for Bent money to be spent on one or 2 proven players and one of those has to be a goal scorer who will hit the ground running, if not your investment will not be worth the paper it is written on.
Your investment OUR passion.
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Bent money? I assume you mean Benteke and if you do most of it has already gone.
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No Ron I mean what we spent on Bent when we signed him and we will need two of them at that price.
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No Ron I mean what we spent on Bent when we signed him and we will need two of them at that price.
Ah yes get it now.Not fully awake.Sorry!
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Brad Guzan is NOT good enough and unnerves defenders with his antics. Sherwood knew this when he dropped him after the Man CiŁy shambles last season. He was dropped after that.So why wasn't he replaced in the summer? This just about sums the club up at the moment. Poor decision making from top to bottom. We are a fuckin shambles.
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Brad Guzan is NOT good enough and unnerves defenders with his antics. Sherwood knew this when he dropped him after the Man CiŁy shambles last season. He was dropped after that.So why wasn't he replaced in the summer? This just about sums the club up at the moment. Poor decision making from top to bottom. We are a fuckin shambles.
To be fair I think he targeted Begovic to replace him, I think we made an offer, but he hung on for Chelsea and who can blame him. The mistake was waiting to see what he was going to do, should have made a last minute loan bid for Valdes at worst I think.
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Fox is a money man who knows about as much about football as my arsehole.
What is your arsehole saying about current state of affairs?
Just asked it for a morning report and it doesn't look good.
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Yes, I'm starting to get totally fed up with Guzan now and I wonder whether a better goalkeeper would calm the defenders down a bit as well.
I still like Tim and wish people would be a bit more respectful on here about him, but the situation is that his lack of proper experience is evident every week and it's going to cost us big time unless we make a change. I think I'd like to see a change this week to be honest, and wish him all the best for the future.
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Guys, I know we're bad but surely we didn't trick ourselves into thinking we could get a result. Even when Chelsea are at their worst we are no match for them. We can't even compete against the bottom third of the league. We have a terrible record at Stamford Bridge.
How about Swansea next week? They're not a bottom third team.
We then have Everton, Spurs, Man City. Are you willing to just write all of those games off and just wait until we play Newcastle, Sunderland, Bournemouth, Norwich and Stoke?
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Brad Guzan is NOT good enough and unnerves defenders with his antics. Sherwood knew this when he dropped him after the Man CiŁy shambles last season. He was dropped after that.So why wasn't he replaced in the summer? This just about sums the club up at the moment. Poor decision making from top to bottom. We are a fuckin shambles.
To be fair I think he targeted Begovic to replace him, I think we made an offer, but he hung on for Chelsea and who can blame him. The mistake was waiting to see what he was going to do, should have made a last minute loan bid for Valdes at worst I think.
So no back up plan then? Like I said we are a shambles.
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Guys, I know we're bad but surely we didn't trick ourselves into thinking we could get a result. Even when Chelsea are at their worst we are no match for them. We can't even compete against the bottom third of the league. We have a terrible record at Stamford Bridge.
How about Swansea next week? They're not a bottom third team.
We then have Everton, Spurs, Man City. Are you willing to just write all of those games off and just wait until we play Newcastle, Sunderland, Bournemouth, Norwich and Stoke?
The most worrying thing is we've played Stoke, Sunderland and Boirnemouth (2 at home) and only got 4 points from those games).
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Exactly, we can't afford to write off a single game, we need to start picking points up everywhere. Chelsea away, yeah really tough game, but they aren't Barcelona, they we're poor yesterday and points were there if we had the quality. We didn't, we sat back for most of the match and after the 1st goal it completely drifted by into a non entity game. We gave up.
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Exactly, we can't afford to write off a single game, we need to start picking points up everywhere. Chelsea away, yeah really tough game, but they aren't Barcelona, they we're poor yesterday and points were there if we had the quality. We didn't, we sat back for most of the match and after the 1st goal it completely drifted by into a non entity game. We gave up.
In the second half we just looked beaten, had no energy, no drive. Totally not good enough.
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Westwood is god fucking awful
He was Chelseas most creative player yesterday, absoloutely shocking performance.
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Richards and Gueye I thought put a shift in.
Richards always puts a shift in.
And he'll be gone next summer because as a player he won't accept this embaressing attitude towards defeat that everyone at the club has. There's always a rainbow round the next corner, that we are promised, coming soon an improvement from the embarrassment we've become, you just have to keep your gob shut, get behind the boys and keep paying and it'll happen. Well will it fuck, they're running the club in to the ground.
Lerner, complete failure, needs to go asap
Sherwood, office junior appointed as global manager, needs to go asap
That twat Fox and his false narratives, another money man who lacks the experience of the role he's taken on, needs to go
Almstadt, from what I've read another money man from Arsenal
Is there anyone at the club, from top to tea lady who has any fucking experience in doing what we are paying them immense sums of money to do?
You missed Wilkins out, what has he brought to the table?
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Clearly it's not working. Sherwood needs to be ruthless and make changes . My observations from yesterday .
Yes we had more possession but it was usually meaningless tippy tally rubbish on the halfway line between westwood Gana etc then roll back to Richards/Lescott who invariably roll it back to Guzan . Great.
The corner taking has become beyond a joke. Hilariously bad. I watched one from westwood second half which was from Chelsea's left side , he floated a ball which barely made the edge of their six yard box and was headed away unchallenged. Absolute piss take .
Gestede is getting no service whatsoever .
Traore is a winger yet came on and was stuck out of position in the middle . Joke.
Amavi dropped yet brought on as a like for like swap with Richardson ? Why ? We were losing the game why not push amavi into an attacking LM role ?
Sherwood again making little or no sense after the game , just sound bites and cliches of nothingness .
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That team is not good enough for this league and is heading for relegation. most of the players are just not good enough, Westwood no range of passing can not attack or defend, Ayew is completely out of his depth, Gestede cart horse, Richardson journey man coming to the end of his career,Lescott is completely past it,Guzan a liability and the rest are at best average.
We do not have the players so I am not sure why any manager would want the job except for money because by the time we get to the transfer window it will be to late.
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I thought the Amavi sub was a bit pointless as well and he should have put Traore on as soon as we went 2-0 down.
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Richards and Gueye I thought put a shift in.
Richards always puts a shift in.
And he'll be gone next summer because as a player he won't accept this embaressing attitude towards defeat that everyone at the club has. There's always a rainbow round the next corner, that we are promised, coming soon an improvement from the embarrassment we've become, you just have to keep your gob shut, get behind the boys and keep paying and it'll happen. Well will it fuck, they're running the club in to the ground.
Lerner, complete failure, needs to go asap
Sherwood, office junior appointed as global manager, needs to go asap
That twat Fox and his false narratives, another money man who lacks the experience of the role he's taken on, needs to go
Almstadt, from what I've read another money man from Arsenal
Is there anyone at the club, from top to tea lady who has any fucking experience in doing what we are paying them immense sums of money to do?
You missed Wilkins out, what has he brought to the table?
A great uncle fester costume for the upcoming club Halloween party.
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Interesting that so many people are talking up Gana. Personally, I think that if anyone thinks he is the much fabled 'upgrade on Delph' then they are blinkered. Delph was fantastic at receiving the ball in difficult areas, keeping it and getting us on the attack. This lot, Gana included, tend to get shrugged off it. The amount of time we gave the ball away in the defensive third yesterday was embarrassing. Westwood's looks half the player he was without his mate alongside him too - and he was no world beater to begin with. He has known nothing other than relegation battles.
Grealish and Gil looked lively when they combine but I don't know whether to view that as a positive or negative. It's positive that the two can clearly play and have good touch, but negative that for all that, they barely create chance between them.
I have always liked Guzan but he has become a clown. He didn't actually make a save yesterday, Chelsea did fuck all - his only contribution was to gift them a goal at a time when they didn't look like scoring and we were probably shading it. If it wasn't our club, these mistakes would be laughable.
9 defeats in our last 11 league games is not something that is going to change by magic. The problems are too deep rooted - 4 points from 9 games. Bloody hell, I am doing my best to be positive but I don't see any hope of us getting 36 from another 29 games, we looked doomed.
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That team is not good enough for this league and is heading for relegation. most of the players are just not good enough, Westwood no range of passing can not attack or defend, Ayew is completely out of his depth, Gestede cart horse, Richardson journey man coming to the end of his career,Lescott is completely past it,Guzan a liability and the rest are at best average.
We do not have the players so I am not sure why any manager would want the job except for money because by the time we get to the transfer window it will be to late.
Summed up perfectly
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Agree on Gana OB, runs about a lot but in terms of meaningful play ?? Reminds me of KEA .
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To me, it seems substitutions that Sherwood makes are just substitutions for the sake of it.
There never seems to be any rhyme or reason to them, no basis or tactics to them.
A bit like a Sunday morning manager, just making sure most of the lads get a kick.
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Agree on Gana OB, runs about a lot but in terms of meaningful play ?? Reminds me of KEA .
I think he's been ok overall. Another one who's new to the league and all that.
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I thought the Amavi sub was a bit pointless as well and he should have put Traore on as soon as we went 2-0 down.
If Richardson had stayed on any longer he would have been sent off. His legs were gone around the 55 min mark and had just got a yellow.
Thought both substitutions were the right ones to get some width in our play, unfortunately Amavi and Traore particularly were useless when they came on.
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Did I dream it but I though Mouriniho had a stadium ban for the game( not that it would have made any difference)
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I thought the Amavi sub was a bit pointless as well and he should have put Traore on as soon as we went 2-0 down.
If Richardson had stayed on any longer he would have been sent off. His legs were gone around the 55 min mark and had just got a yellow.
Thought both substitutions were the right ones to get some width in our play, unfortunately Amavi and Traore particularly were useless when they came on.
Traore seemed surprised that his 'tactic' of simply running as fast as he can didn't work against top defenders. He had the surprise element against Palace and it's ok having Notts County full backs on toast, but he has a lot of work to do if he wants to make an impact in this league. That said, he is freshly back from injury, young and playing for a team that is incapable of pushing the opposition back and keeping possession so he is always picking up the ball in really deep areas.
I actually think Richardson gets some unfair stick. He did well enough yesterday, didn't get beaten too often, held the line well and carried the ball forward. He doesn't have Amavi's end product though, and age isn't on his side. I have a horrible feeling Sherwood is going to prove a point about the whole 'signings not his choice' news by making an example of Amavi. That would be another mistake.
Two final points, both of which are extremely annoying. As everyone says, the corners are beyond a joke. The good news is that Gil got to take a corner and a free kick yesterday from the right. The corner was shit but at least it was an in-swinger. The free kick caused havoc. It is completely unfathomable to everyone how an entire squad and coaching staff can watch those shit corners float in every week without pointing out that they aren't really working. Gestede, Lescott and Richards are all a genuine threat from corners and in our current predicament, set pieces should be seen as our best route to goal.
And then there's fitness. So much for the mini pre-season Sherwood put them through. Gil, Grealish, Richardson, Ayew Westwood (to name but five) all looked completely shagged by the hour mark.
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Where is this kid we signed on loan from Liverpool.
Has he got a broken leg or something?
Sherwood said his lack of fitness meant he was behind the rest of the team?
Well, we've just has a bloody 'mini pre season' haven't we?
Fucking hell, if I'd signed for us in August , I'd be fit enough for 45 mins by now!
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Gil, Grealish, Westswood, Richardson, Ayew. All completely lightweight players as well. Gil and Jack do damage in areas of the pitch where it matters not a jot, there's no penetration. They need to be 15 yards further forward interlinking, and have a forward in front of them they can hit with through balls and link with too, Rudy, lovely head but feet like two sacks of cement, pretty much useless as we are. Gueye and Westwood, shit combination, Westy needs to fuck off for his own good now, get Sanchez in there, get Veretout in there. Give Jack and Gil a bit of freedom, get them further forward and have them with Ayew centrally. If it doesn't work fine but surely it's better than all the square peg, round hole rubbish we are trying at the moment.
To be honest we are really regretting no replacing Benteke with a proven scorer, I think we are toast, there's even less goal threat in this side than last year.
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Gil, Grealish, Westswood, Richardson, Ayew. All completely lightweight players as well. Gil and Jack do damage in areas of the pitch where it matters not a jot, there's no penetration. They need to be 15 yards further forward interlinking, and have a forward in front of them they can hit with through balls and link with too, Rudy, lovely head but feet like two sacks of cement, pretty much useless as we are. Gueye and Westwood, shit combination, Westy needs to fuck off for his own good now, get Sanchez in there, get Veretout in there. Give Jack and Gil a bit of freedom, get them further forward and have them with Ayew centrally. If it doesn't work fine but surely it's better than all the square peg, round hole rubbish we are trying at the moment.
To be honest we are really regretting no replacing Benteke with a proven scorer, I think we are toast, there's even less goal threat in this side than last year.
Pretty much what I think, although I'm less harsh on Westwood (good player there, but completely out of form and now just learning how to be bad). 4-3-3 with a lot of freedom for Jack and Gil wide of Ayew, and a midfielder with Sanchez sitting and Gana and Veretout swirling around a bit.
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Did I dream it but I though Mouriniho had a stadium ban for the game( not that it would have made any difference)
It's a suspended sentence so to speak
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It's pointless playing Gestede infront of Gil and Grelish he doesn't have the movement or ability to bring either into the game.He is an old fashioned target man he is basically a taller version of Bent.He will score with service but he effectively leaves you with 10 men for most of the game
Then you have Ayew who I throught was brought as a striker but player wide yesterday , got one good cross in but mostly was muscled out of it.
Now these 2 cost us around Ł15mil and were Sherwoods choices so both their lack of ability is all on him
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I thought the Amavi sub was a bit pointless as well and he should have put Traore on as soon as we went 2-0 down.
If Richardson had stayed on any longer he would have been sent off. His legs were gone around the 55 min mark and had just got a yellow.
Thought both substitutions were the right ones to get some width in our play, unfortunately Amavi and Traore particularly were useless when they came on.
Traore seemed surprised that his 'tactic' of simply running as fast as he can didn't work against top defenders. He had the surprise element against Palace and it's ok having Notts County full backs on toast, but he has a lot of work to do if he wants to make an impact in this league. That said, he is freshly back from injury, young and playing for a team that is incapable of pushing the opposition back and keeping possession so he is always picking up the ball in really deep areas.
I actually think Richardson gets some unfair stick. He did well enough yesterday, didn't get beaten too often, held the line well and carried the ball forward. He doesn't have Amavi's end product though, and age isn't on his side. I have a horrible feeling Sherwood is going to prove a point about the whole 'signings not his choice' news by making an example of Amavi. That would be another mistake.
Two final points, both of which are extremely annoying. As everyone says, the corners are beyond a joke. The good news is that Gil got to take a corner and a free kick yesterday from the right. The corner was shit but at least it was an in-swinger. The free kick caused havoc. It is completely unfathomable to everyone how an entire squad and coaching staff can watch those shit corners float in every week without pointing out that they aren't really working. Gestede, Lescott and Richards are all a genuine threat from corners and in our current predicament, set pieces should be seen as our best route to goal.
And then there's fitness. So much for the mini pre-season Sherwood put them through. Gil, Grealish, Richardson, Ayew Westwood (to name but five) all looked completely shagged by the hour mark.
Traore doesnt appear to have a footballing brain though, there is a time to run with the ball and a time to pass. He tried to run with the ball each time he got it no matter where in the pitch he was and ended up falling on his arse nearly each time.
Its worrying that the likes of Traore and Veretout already look as if they wont be fully ready until next term. Wouldnt surprise me if Sherwood was making a point of dropping Amavi and Veretout. But to be fair Amavi was crap when he came on with a half hearted attitude and didnt exactly prove him wrong. Woeful inside pass to Gil nearly cost us another goal. Maybe getting dropped will give him the necessary kick up the arse he needs.
Thought Richardson did ok and maybe should be considered on the left of a midfield three to give Amavi a bit more protection. I know it was his first start yesterday but he is only 31 next week. Very early to be doing a Joe Cole after 55 mins. Not sure what type of fitness training we were doing in the summer but the conditioning of the players does not look good.
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Did I dream it but I though Mouriniho had a stadium ban for the game( not that it would have made any difference)
It's a suspended sentence so to speak
Thanks
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Yes worrying that our fitness is so bad. If you remember under oneill it was poor also. Perhaps sherwood leaves it up to them to train rather than having it structured.
Whatever it is it needs to improve.
I know the manager takes the brunt of everyone's wrath but surely the players have to take a good look at themselves and think can we do better? Besides richards we need a few more wanting the ball and not shying away from the pass.
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I think back to his remarks when he took over.
He thought himself as a custodian of the club, it's history and heritage, he understood it all, blah blah.
When push came to shove he then employed so of the worst solutions to the problems we had. For a club who he claimed to get and respect how does he reconcile appointing perennial losers like Mcleish or work experience candidates like Lambert and Sherwood.
I love this club, always have done, I've spent 30 years watching them now, which is a fraction of the time some have done and it bloody hurts watching us as we are. I KNOW we are a big club, I've lived it and feel it whenever I'm in the ground. We need someone in place managing this team with a prescence. Partially to help us gain back some respect, we have none anymore, we are a bit of a joke. Someone to instil a bit of fear in to the others, with a brain, years of doing it, someone who won't be laughed at or ridiculed. Not another rent a quote with nothing to back it up, or someone who's just really pleased to be here because he's only manager a fucking turnip of a club like Norwich City.
Lerner cannot completely disconnect with the club and expect to get anything right. It's not going to happen, but before he sells, he needs to sort this mess out that is partially of his making. The first port of call should be to make the next appointment one that would turn a few heads.
We are in the so called best league in the world.
There is money pouring out of everyones ears.
We are still very very well known.
Huge ground, great support and ghosts from the past that can only inspire the best.
Make the next appointment something fitting of what we were and still can be, let's not accept what isn't even second best, some no mark from a nothing club who will completely crumble under the pressure of managing one of this countries truly big clubs.
If he hasn't learnt his mistake from 3 examples then he never will and we are doomed. We're Villa, 7 Fa Cups, 7 leagues, 5 league cups and the big one, let's have a bit of bloody self respect and expect more than what we are getting, no more losing 5,6,7 in a row and carrying on like it's to be expected. No more not scoring game after game and carrying on like it's to be expected. No more losing to shithouses like Palace and Stoke at home without a whimper. No more employing people who crumble because they have no substance.
We need to find some respect for ourselves again and the first stage is appointing a manager that is respected. Over to you Fox and Lerner you pair of twats.
Could you give the pre match team talk vs Swansea? Oh and a presentation to the board.(If we have one)
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Gil, Grealish, Westswood, Richardson, Ayew. All completely lightweight players as well. Gil and Jack do damage in areas of the pitch where it matters not a jot, there's no penetration. They need to be 15 yards further forward interlinking, and have a forward in front of them they can hit with through balls and link with too, Rudy, lovely head but feet like two sacks of cement, pretty much useless as we are. Gueye and Westwood, shit combination, Westy needs to fuck off for his own good now, get Sanchez in there, get Veretout in there. Give Jack and Gil a bit of freedom, get them further forward and have them with Ayew centrally. If it doesn't work fine but surely it's better than all the square peg, round hole rubbish we are trying at the moment.
To be honest we are really regretting no replacing Benteke with a proven scorer, I think we are toast, there's even less goal threat in this side than last year.
Pretty much what I think, although I'm less harsh on Westwood (good player there, but completely out of form and now just learning how to be bad). 4-3-3 with a lot of freedom for Jack and Gil wide of Ayew, and a midfielder with Sanchez sitting and Gana and Veretout swirling around a bit.
This seems better, with the alternative of Traore
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The goal threat isn't good enough but it's not worse than last season. It took us until Dec and 14 games to match the 8 in 9 we have this season.
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I presume we will still insist on giving the team a standing ovation before the game next Saturday!! What a bunch of wallies us fans are.
No wonder the club thinks we are all mugs.
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With confidence low the last thing the team needs was a stupid pass out to a marked defender and a flucky deflection. But I think that is the team except for Richardson/Armarvi that he has to start and build around from now on. We had 50% possession at Stamford bridge and had Gestede`s goal gone in who knows. Sherwood has got to have a base team what he can then change a couple of players from without losing our shape and understanding ......
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With confidence low the last thing the team needs was a stupid pass out to a marked defender and a flucky deflection. But I think that is the team except for Richardson/Armarvi that he has to start and build around from now on. We had 50% possession at Stamford bridge and had Gestede`s goal gone in who knows. Sherwood has got to have a base team what he can then change a couple of players from without losing our shape and understanding ......
Guzan is very much the weak link. I have been saying it for ages now. For the sake of the club's future he HAS GOT TO GO. The defence will continue to be shaky until they have a keeper behind them that they can trust. The most annoying thing in all this is Sherwood knew this when he dropped him after the Man CiŁy debacle and did not address it in the summer.
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With confidence low the last thing the team needs was a stupid pass out to a marked defender and a flucky deflection. But I think that is the team except for Richardson/Armarvi that he has to start and build around from now on. We had 50% possession at Stamford bridge and had Gestede`s goal gone in who knows. Sherwood has got to have a base team what he can then change a couple of players from without losing our shape and understanding ......
Guzan is very much the weak link. I have been saying it for ages now. For the sake of the club's future he HAS GOT TO GO. The defence will continue to be shaky until they have a keeper behind them that they can trust. The most annoying thing in all this is Sherwood knew this when he dropped him after the Man CiŁy debacle and did not address it in the summer.
I have to say he did try to buy Begovic in the summer but was surprised we didn't get someone else in.
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Bunn.
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The weakness runs down the spine - Guzan Lescott Westwood Gestede . Truly abysmal .
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I don't believe we are in a position where we can afford to have Jack and Gill on the pitch at the same time, both are not good enough when it comes to picking up their man when not in possession and leave us too light weight. there attributes are there passing but when as stated on numerous post's there is no movement in front of them, we then become too slow and predictable.
None of this is helped by Dim trying to score points over who's player was bought with his say so and who was not. Make us more solid and for fuck sake get these so called players match fit.
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The weakness runs down the spine - Guzan Lescott Westwood Gestede . Truly abysmal .
Spot on
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Bunn. Yep. That appears to have been the back up plan. Poor,poor management from all concerned.
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The weakness runs down the spine - Guzan Lescott Westwood Gestede . Truly abysmal .
Spot on
Poor and at least 2 should be dropped. Clark in for Lescott, Sanchez for Westwood. Could even consider Bunn for Guzan.
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What a way to waste half an hours good work where we looked the better side and had created the only decent opening of the match.
After that it's always a tough task.
The routine nature of the soft goals we concede is systemic.
This sums it up for me - these are the kind of goals you give away when you're really struggling. I thought for the first half an hour we played ok, under the circumstances.
WHY OH WHY do we pass it back to Guzan on his right foot ???
as it came back to him I just thought - ok we did have the ball in their half but just tonk it down the field - they can't score if it's down there.
The second goal - well - isn't that just typical of how things go when you're in this predicament - also half chances like Gestede's go in - when you're playing confident.
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The man who said that must be swashbucklingly handsome.
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I'll tell you what's boring, Tim. Losing, week in, week out. It's also a bit soul-destroying for added shitness value.
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Managed to get to this one. I thought Chelsea were utterly dire, but the game plan they had worked - just sit back and wait for us to balls it up. We had no cutting edge up front, it was a dream for John Terry, he was always facing up the pitch, never being turned or forced to face his own goal because Gestede doesn't drag defenders around. A couple of players were trying to be creative but it always came to a standstill. Guzan, Westwood, Lescott were all poor.
I felt sorry for Idrissa Gueye, thought he played really well and didn't deserve what was happening on the pitch around him.
Likewise the fans - amazing as always and, as the second half just droned on, managed to make a depressing situation very funny at times.