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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Matt Collins on September 01, 2015, 06:47:27 AM
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It may or may not be that ade is the only option. But I suspect it is. Can't see Chelsea letting remy go and don't think we will stump up the cash for Austin
So adebayor - yay or nay?
I was in the yay camp but I think his attitude has been shown up to be as awful as the rumours
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A reluctant yay. Our need for a goalscorer trumps my many negative feelings about Adebayor.
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We're in need of a goal scorer. Sinclair can't continue his current form in this regard all the way through. On loan would be ok.
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On loan, no fee, slightly subsidised wages if we can swing it. If that's available, might as well take a punt. Certainly he would've done better with a couple of the chances Gestede had I'd daresay.
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Yes, but only on loan.
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very reluctantly yes on loan but I have real reservations about this ; why persist in trying to sign someone who obviously doesn't really want to be here? A player under duress isn't ideal, particularly when it's Adebayor. I think this is the one facet of our summer dealings we've got wrong - why invest in Ayew and Gestede if all we were ever going to do was to get this guy in on loan? And I realise it hasn't happened yet!
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Shouldn't ever sign a player who doesn't really want to come
If that is the case
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Yes. Sherwood and he are clearly mates, he has performed for him before and is perfect fit the way we are trying to play. 2 seasons of Adebayor at half page would be better than having to sit through some of the other options.
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Sooner give Kozak a run.
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Shouldn't ever sign a player who doesn't really want to come
If that is the case
Seem to recall everyone saying Amavi didn't want to sign and he's been, mostly, excellent so far.
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Off levels ie same chances, same support players, same spread of opposition quality, same rub of the green I would back Libor Kozak to outscore Adebayor over a season all day long. Libor looks up for it, Adebayor quite the opposite. I think there is the big banana skin of sentiment looming under Sherwood's foot just like N'Zogbia did for TSM1.
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Fail
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A reluctant yay. Our need for a goalscorer trumps my many negative feelings about Adebayor.
That's where I am despite the many good points made here by posters about the disadvantages. I fear a real struggle if we don't get a proven goal scorer in. The Sunderland game will just be replayed over and over - we will dominate the teams around us with our creative play (never thought I'd say that again!) but fail to put the ball in the net whilst they wander up the other end and score from the one or two chances they get.
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He held talks with West Ham last night according to SSN
He doesn't want to come chaps, it's a no brainer, you don't bring in players that don't want to be here
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If it's a choice between Adebayor or Berbatov then it has to be Adebayor.
I'd like to think we'd be in for Austin given some of the Mickey Mouse clubs being linked with a bid for him.
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We must have a plan B after all his stalling
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Depends whose bust it is...
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Off levels ie same chances, same support players, same spread of opposition quality, same rub of the green I would back Libor Kozak to outscore Adebayor over a season all day long. Libor looks up for it, Adebayor quite the opposite. I think there is the big banana skin of sentiment looming under Sherwood's foot just like N'Zogbia did for TSM1.
I agree, it looks like Adebayor doesn't want to come to B6, except possibly as a last resort, so Kozak would be preferable, especially if we have to pay all Adebayor's wages.
If he comes, I hope it's only a loan deal.
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Yes, but only on loan.
This.
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How do we know he doesn't want to come ?
It maybe it's just Levy being a dick
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Kozak is not the answer to our forward line, big, slow and cumbersome, we've already got Gestede to cover that.
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I think if Adebayor really wanted to join Villa he'd have done so by now
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Absolutely take him on loan. We've only got 34 league games left, and he tends to play a lot better when he needs a contract.
Say Adebayor is on 100k per week and £1m loan fee. That's about £6.5m cost to us for the year?
I wonder what it'd take to get Ausitn out of QPR for the year...
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No for me. Sooner play Gestede, Kozak, Sinclair, Ayew. Those writing off Kozak and Gestede should consider their game time vs goals ratio so far and say that neither are doing too badly. Ayew needs more time also. Sinclair is on fire.
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How do we know he doesn't want to come ?
It maybe it's just Levy being a dick
Nothing to do with Levy. He wants to drive up from London everyday from his cosy surroundings which means he will no doubt turn up for training at whatever time he fancies and not at 9AM which Sherwood has stated is the time they start.
He is an unprofessional billy big potatoes egotist who has (or had) the undoubted ability to score a few goals. But Sherwood seems to favour him so its probably on but don't be surprised if he causes unrest in the camp with his attitude. One might ask why West Ham pulled out of a deal for him?
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Whatever he costs/earns he's not worth it. I say avoid.
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A few weeks back when we were doing a lot of business and re-building I'd have said yes. Since the season's started I've changed my mind and now I wouldn't take him. As others have said if he'd really wanted to be at villa, he'd have signed by now. We could just about manage without a fired up Adebayor champing at the bit - we can certainly manage without an unmotivated couldn't really give a fuck adebayor.
Not Getting a proven scorer in could well be the difference between finishing Lower-mid table than higher-mid table. But with Sinclair showing he has goals in him, and under the circumstances with adebayor keen then not keen then talking to west ham and all of that carry-on I'd leave it now.
Great if we get someone else in, but won't be the end of the world if we don't get another striker in.
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Let Levy enjoy paying his wages and Ade enjoy living in London doing F all for another year.
There was a moment in time for this one but it has passed. Fuck 'em both.
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Let's keep levy and Ade dangling til 559pm and then don't answer their calls.
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Let's keep levy and Ade dangling til 559pm and then don't answer their calls.
Sounds like you work in a Customer Service Centre and go home at 6PM!
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Spammers cant take him on loan now, so increasingly likely he will have no place to go
Unless they sign him permanently
I can't believe we would sign him if we are his last option,
and I was one of the few in favour of him earlier in the window
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Pretty sure the window shuts at 6pm today
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I would take him but only on loan.
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Is there even the slightest inkling that he might still sign? Haven't seen any.
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Can West Ham cancel one of their other loans to take him?
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he's been forced to chat to us again now, apparently
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This is how I hope that conversation might go:
Sherwood: I have been meaning to ask this for quite a while now. Who the phuck do you think you are?
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Big fucking fat NO!
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Get him signed. I don't care if he wants to mouth platitudes about always loving us, we need a goalscorer and Adebayor is one.
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The one downside of Adebayor coming in is Kozak probably not getting much of a chance. I think he would get us goals given a run.
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Does anybody know actually what has gone on since he came up to Villa. Most seem to be going on what has been reported in the media and then some.
It looks to me that Spurs always wanted to try and sell him and if this did not happen, get the best out of a loan deal. The player would appear as though he wants to get away from Spurs as they have reportedly said they will not play him and has had to do a tour of the interested clubs until one of them makes a move.
I still think that it is still in the hands of Spurs and their options are running out. I think we made an offer to take him on loan which did not match what Spurs wanted. Whether that offer is still on the table, who knows.
The fact is that whatever Spurs get for him out of a loan will be more than they will have to pay out to him for sitting on his a*** all season.
West ham now have two players on loan, the foreign windows have closed. Who else is interested?
I would take him on a 12 months loan. He plays the position we are lacking in. Whether he can get up to a level again that is better than we have is a gamble but I would rather take a gamble on a loan than a gamble on buying a player at this late stage.
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Pretty sure the window shuts at 6pm today
Really? I was looking forward to a whole evening in front of Sky Sports News.
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he's been forced to chat to us again now, apparently
Is he trying to Bust A Move?
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No ! Latest seems to suggest not interested so lets leave that shall we. Walters is less complicated works for the team and can get as many goals as gestede
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It doesn't matter, he's not coming to us
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He can sling it. I really hope we don't sign the bloke now.
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I want him at the club if he wants to be here. That's key. I also want him because we have got the best deal for us, and certainly not for Spurs. I think a motivated Adebayor would be good for us, but not one that has mentally compromised himself to be with us because that only ends up in one place.
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Let him rot. The twunt.
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Cripes.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/11837986/Emmanuel-Adebayor-refuses-to-leave-Tottenham-Hotspur-because-he-needs-a-sign-from-God.html
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Cripes.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/11837986/Emmanuel-Adebayor-refuses-to-leave-Tottenham-Hotspur-because-he-needs-a-sign-from-God.html
Nutter.
Bullet dodged.
Move on, try again with Berba, if not give Kojak the chance he deserves to show what he can do.
I dont suppose we can go for a loan for Berahino can we ?
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If true I think we might have dodged a bullet there. What a fucking nutter.
I wonder if a possible sign from God would be a steel toe cap up his jacksie.
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Sounds a right oddball to be relatively polite about it.
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I wonder how much the coach attack he was involved in back home has affected him? If any of that story is true, then maybe he should call it a day.
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Sounds a right mentalist.
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So whispers on twitter was spot on that he had done the shirt stretching bit.
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So whispers on twitter was spot on that he had done the shirt stretching bit.
I heard that earlier in the summer from a mate with a contact at BH that it was all done and dusted, then all went quiet.
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For all his God talk he didn't wanna give up that big fat fucking contract he's on did he?
Prick.
Bullet dodged. He's bonkers and a lazy sod to boot.
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He has no intention of leaving London. Quite happy to sit his contract out and just go through the motions of training everyday and then back to his mansion as soon as possible.
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If he was serious about his career he would have started the season at a new club. If it was us he would have had a bit of a pre season behind him and would be getting match sharpness with his first four games. Now he sounds nuttier than a squirrel shite. Good luck to Spurs, I don't envy them.
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The genius that is Levy seems to have decided that Harry Kane and Son Heung-min (nope, me neither) are the only forwards Spurs need. They haven't even given Adebayor a squad number. I have a sneaky feeling mid table obscurity awaits them this season.
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So whispers on twitter was spot on that he had done the shirt stretching bit.
I heard that earlier in the summer from a mate with a contact at BH that it was all done and dusted, then all went quiet.
I heard too from someone high up at the club.
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Didn't he also say last season that his poor form was due to his mother putting a voodoo spell on him?
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Billy big bollox after a last big wage. Doesn't have the hunger or desire to play for us so he can bugger off. Kozak may just be the striker everyone is crying out for so why not give him a chance.
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Clearly a sign from God would have been a funds transfer of approx £5m from Spurs into his bank account.
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that bloke's a nutter.
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that bloke's a nutter.
OI, nutter!
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And it's no, nay, never
No, nay, never, no more
Will we waste our time chasing
Fuckwit Adebayor
(Benteke's a whore
and Delph even more)
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Is his pastor an Arsenal fan. Joking aside, he seems seriously mixed up.
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Ha ha Levy finally gets his come upponce
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He's either ill, or a complete twat.
I'll be charitable and assume he isn't very well.
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For all his God talk he didn't wanna give up that big fat fucking contract he's on did he?
Why would he have needed to give up his contract?
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Let me get this right, he wanted £5m off spurs to go out on loan ??
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Let me get this right, he wanted £5m off spurs to go out on loan ??
No, I think he wanted his contract paying up for him to be released by Spurs. Spurs initially just wanted to release him but then eventually agreed to pay the shortfall on his wages. Same money but upfront compared with over the season and, potentially, could have just packed up the game.
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So now he will sit and be paid £100k a week for doing fuck all ?
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So now he will sit and be paid £100k a week for doing fuck all ?
And the good thing about it is that Spurs will be paying it.
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Would appear so as he doesn't even have a squad number at Spurs. Must admit, not sure how it works if they have a space in their announced squad if they can bring him back into the squad. They may need to with only 2 strikers.
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You have to admit - Levy's played this one beautifully.
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Question.
Can Spurs give him a squad number now?
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Is he even training ? I mean is he allowed anywhere near The Lodge ? Or is he cast aside and persona non grata ?
Levy must be sat at home rocking in a corner tonight
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You have to admit - Levy's played this one beautifully.
Don't know about him playing it beautifully, but the end result, with the £100K per week for Adebeyor, the total f##k up with the Berahino transfer and the end state of Spurs squad is truly a thing of beauty.
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Well it makes you wonder if football clubs should invest in shrinks during the medical. By all accounts he passed his ok but after those comments and I do wonder how stable the fella is.
Bullet dodged there I reckon. Hopefully Kozak, Sinclair, Ayew and Gabby will do a job when called upon.
Edit: I forgot Ruddy, my bloody memory is shocking. With this amount of transfer activity this summer I'll have no idea who any of our team are.
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No one wanted him. Speaks volumes.
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Question.
Can Spurs give him a squad number now?
If they have space in the squad, they can up until Thursday or Friday of this week. I think also, if a space is left unfilled, you can bring a player in later like we did with Pires.
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A while ago I jokingly suggested Villa give IQ tests to all prospective signings, given the amount of blockheads we've signed in the past, but this bloke really makes me wonder.
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Jose Enrique is another one that seems happy enough to pick up his money and then leave on a free rather than play.
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Jose Enrique is another one that seems happy enough to pick up his money and then leave on a free rather than play.
Well, if it's that or play for Pulis at West Brom it's a pretty easy decision to understand.
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What a rum business. If there was an offer for him to join us and get more or less guaranteed game time for the next year, with no financial loss, then there's no rational reason he wouldn't take that.
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Jose Enrique is another one that seems happy enough to pick up his money and then leave on a free rather than play.
Well, if it's that or play for Pulis at West Brom it's a pretty easy decision to understand.
He's said they were never in for him.
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Jose Enrique is another one that seems happy enough to pick up his money and then leave on a free rather than play.
Well, if it's that or play for Pulis at West Brom it's a pretty easy decision to understand.
He's said they were never in for him.
So what choice did he have about whether to stay at Liverpool or moving somewhere else to play then?
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You do realise I said "seems" rather than 'is'. Which indicates i'm not sure, unlike your incorrect claim about Albion which you stated as fact ;)
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You do realise I said "seems" rather than 'is'. Which indicates i'm not sure, unlike your incorrect claim about Albion which you stated as fact ;)
Based on what? What makes him 'seem' like that?
And my 'claim' wasn't posted as a fact. It was posted as a joke. Y'know, not playing at all is better than playing for West Brom?
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Based on the reports he spoke to a few clubs. It could all be bollocks and no one was in for him, which again, is why the "seems".
Wouldn't Albion have had to be in for him for that to work though? ;)
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A while ago I jokingly suggested Villa give IQ tests to all prospective signings, given the amount of blockheads we've signed in the past, but this bloke really makes me wonder.
So long as we don't do this for prospective fans. I would never have got in!
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A while ago I jokingly suggested Villa give IQ tests to all prospective signings, given the amount of blockheads we've signed in the past, but this bloke really makes me wonder.
So long as we don't do this for prospective fans. I would never have got in!
It's done at birth. Those that fail end up at small heath.
/baddumtish
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A while ago I jokingly suggested Villa give IQ tests to all prospective signings, given the amount of blockheads we've signed in the past, but this bloke really makes me wonder.
So long as we don't do this for prospective fans. I would never have got in!
It's done at birth. Those that fail end up at small heath.
/baddumtish
GaZing! :)
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so Spurs offered to cancel the last year of his contract so he could join West Ham/AN Other but the twat said no. Can't help but think we are very much better off without him. Obviously he was entitled to the cash or an agreed severance payment, but equally obvious he's ruled by money and not the desire to play football while he still can. Will anyone want him now after the saga of summer 2015?
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Based on the reports he spoke to a few clubs. It could all be bollocks and no one was in for him, which again, is why the "seems".
Wouldn't Albion have had to be in for him for that to work though? ;)
Why you want to make such a big deal of a fairly innocuous comment I have no idea, but "based on reports" was WBA. Type 'Jose Enrique transfer' into Google and every single story from the first page is about him potentially going to West Brom.
Whether it's true or not, there was nothing more concrete linking him to any other club more than that lot.
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If the paper reports are to be believed, he wasn't happy with Spurs making up any shortfall in his £100,000 a week for a year, he insisted on being paid up in full so he could get even more in wages from his next club.
I'm not sure that a character like that would have been good for the morale of the squad.
Better off without him. Let him rot in the Spurs bomb squad.
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Never wanted him. It would seem he would rather sit on his pile of cash than play the sport he be gifted to play. I would rather have the players we have than him.
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Never wanted him. It would seem he would rather sit on his pile of cash than play the sport he be gifted to play. I would rather have the players we have than him.
It appears he has little motivation to actually get out on the football pitch and play. The only way it would have worked here is if Adebeyor was willing to work hard for the club, but he's only ever happy to coast and collect his winnings the feckless fecker. I think we're averted a disaster that would have made Fashanu look like a great signing.
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The ultimate footballing Croesus. Fuck the fucker!!
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It is a shame because as a footballer he is very talented and would have fitted in perfectly into our team with a manager he trusts and plays for. As a man he is a complete tool. But I am sure he is not the only premiership prima donna that has been said about
Ya ya - Birthday cake ;D
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it's hard for anyone to out-tool Ireland. But Adebayor probably shades it.
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Trouble with football it is hard to cut players. in NFL they can cut underperforming players easily. Football need to look at NFL to see how they do contracts and deals.
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Based on the reports he spoke to a few clubs. It could all be bollocks and no one was in for him, which again, is why the "seems".
Wouldn't Albion have had to be in for him for that to work though? ;)
Why you want to make such a big deal of a fairly innocuous comment I have no idea, but "based on reports" was WBA. Type 'Jose Enrique transfer' into Google and every single story from the first page is about him potentially going to West Brom.
Whether it's true or not, there was nothing more concrete linking him to any other club more than that lot.
I simply pointed out that Enrique said Albion were never in for him. You know, the kind of thing you often do. If that's "turning it into a big deal", ok then, whatever floats your boat.
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Reportedly he wanted a message from God before signing for us.
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He'll be running up that hill
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Grade A mentalist
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Although Benteke was a decent source of goals no one else in recent seasons has been so other than him there isn't a lot to replace (in theory).
Ayew, Gestede, Sinclair and Kozak plus Gabby would need to provide us with 25-30+ league goals which doesn't seem to be out of the question and a midfield of Traore, Gil, Grealish plus Veretout/Bacuna certainly looks to have more goals in it than the Cleverley, Delph, Westwood combination of last season - and not simply because there is 5 of them rather than 3!
Lescott and Richards have historically had the knack of scoring the odd goal too which would also make a difference so not losing too much sleep that we missed out on the Adebayor loon!
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I'm holding out hope that the small net-spend means there's a fair bit left in the kitty for January. If we're really struggling for goals, I can see Sherwood addressing the problem then.
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It is no surprise though is it that the guy is a nutter, any one that has seen his actions and comments knew this.
This is why I was surprised there was such a clamour for him on here.
Desperate.
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Reportedly he wanted a message from God before signing for us.
Thank fuck there Isn't a god
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Reportedly he wanted a message from God before signing for us.
Thank fuck there Isn't a god
I think there is, but he supports the Villa
So kept quiet
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Reportedly he wanted a message from God before signing for us.
And our Lord told him he was a greedy useless c*%t and shouldn't tarnish our great club.
The title of this thread should be changed to Adebayor - A busted flush.
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He'll be running up that hill
With no problems
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He's been released by Spurs this morning. Don't think we could sign and play him before January even if we wanted to though?
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He's been released by Spurs this morning. Don't think we could sign and play him before January even if we wanted to though?
I think we could.
Didier Agathe?
(Saturday night, I feel the air is getting hot...)
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Can't clubs sign non contract players out of the transfer window?
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If he's a free agent then I don't think there would be any issues. Rules-wise, that is. There are tons of other issues that would stop me thinking it was a good idea.
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Can't clubs sign non contract players out of the transfer window?
Yes. He's no longer with a club so like Vlaar he's in the shop window waiting for a buyer.
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True, but have we got a place in our 25 man squad left?
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Presumably his contract has been paid up so the big wedge in his wallet might make his wage demands a little more realistic. I can see him stretching the shirt. I really can.
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I thought the sticking point was he wanted to travel from London and not relocate
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I agree with Brian, I think it's a strong possibility. Sherwood really rates him, although if the press reports were accurate, it would seem that he has little appetite for living in Brum.
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Do what you do with a horse that will not go in the stalls. Turn it round and round until it becomes disoriented. Show him some houses in Stoke and Rowley Regis. Brum will look like Santa Monica in comparison.
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There was a bizarre segment on last nights Match of the Day which appeared totally unconnected to the games being shown. It was a clip of Adebeyor scoring for Man City against Arsenal and his subsequent inciteful running the length of the pitch to celebrate in front of the Arsenal supporters. After the clip had run Lineker states, in a somewhat ironic tone, "Whatever happened to Adebeyor".
Did anyone else see/ hear this - perhaps I missed the link with something.
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But he wasn't a free agent when the window closed, I thought that was the important bit?
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saw adebayor clip too and also wondered wtf was
that all about
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I really hope we leave this well alone, I think his last statement confirmed he's not as stable as you'd want for a multi million pound investment.
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I'm pretty sure we're at the full 25 man squad so can't sign him even if we wanted to.
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But he wasn't a free agent when the window closed, I thought that was the important bit?
Apparently yes. He can't sign for anyone till January now.
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Do what you do with a horse that will not go in the stalls. Turn it round and round until it becomes disoriented. Show him some houses in Stoke and Rowley Regis. Brum will look like Santa Monica in comparison.
I wonder if Lambert's pile is still up for sale?
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But he wasn't a free agent when the window closed, I thought that was the important bit?
Apparently yes. He can't sign for anyone till January now.
I'm not sure about that. It would be a restraint of trade to not allow a free agent to join someone. I'm not sure how the 25-man thing stands but I bet there's some sort of allowance for free agents. Maybe we can de-list Senderos or something.
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We already have.
1] Brad Guzan
2] Tiago Ilori
4] Micah Richards
5] Jores Okore
6] Ciaran Clark
7] Leandro Bacuna
8] Idrissa Gueye
9] Scott Sinclair
11] Gabby Agbonlahor
12] Joe Cole
13] Jed Steer
15] Ashley Westwood
16] Joleon Lescott
17] Jordan Veretout
18] Kieran Richardson
19] Jordan Ayew
21] Alan Hutton
22] Gary Gardner
24] Carlos Sanchez
25] Carles Gil
27] Libor Kozak
28] Charles N'Zogbia
31] Mark Bunn
33] Jose Angel Crespo
39] Rudy Gestede
Three other players are registered as U21s.
20] Adama Traore
23] Jordan Amavi
40] Jack Grealish
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But he wasn't a free agent when the window closed, I thought that was the important bit?
Apparently yes. He can't sign for anyone till January now.
Wouldn't that be a restriction of trade? How was he to know he'd have his contract paid up when it was and so now has effectively lost the opportunity to earn 3 months income.
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Both Tottenham and Adebayor have done pretty badly here. They've probably had to pay his full wages, he's stuck without a club. Shame.
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But he wasn't a free agent when the window closed, I thought that was the important bit?
Apparently yes. He can't sign for anyone till January now.
Wouldn't that be a restriction of trade? How was he to know he'd have his contract paid up when it was and so now has effectively lost the opportunity to earn 3 months income.
But the alternative is that any club/player could agree to cancel a contract at any time, which would effectively make the transfer window redundant.
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The only players released though would be ones not wanted by the clubs and deemed as not worth anything to them. Plus the player needs to be happy to leave as well. So you're not going to see us releasing Benteke as an example, you still need a transfer window to sell him. That's how I see it anyway, admittedly i'm still half asleep!
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We already have.
1] Brad Guzan
2] Tiago Ilori
4] Micah Richards
5] Jores Okore
6] Ciaran Clark
7] Leandro Bacuna
8] Idrissa Gueye
9] Scott Sinclair
11] Gabby Agbonlahor
12] Joe Cole
13] Jed Steer
15] Ashley Westwood
16] Joleon Lescott
17] Jordan Veretout
18] Kieran Richardson
19] Jordan Ayew
21] Alan Hutton
22] Gary Gardner
24] Carlos Sanchez
25] Carles Gil
27] Libor Kozak
28] Charles N'Zogbia
31] Mark Bunn
33] Jose Angel Crespo
39] Rudy Gestede
Three other players are registered as U21s.
20] Adama Traore
23] Jordan Amavi
40] Jack Grealish
If there is a special dispensation that allows you to de-list a player, N'Zogbia would be the obvious one then.
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Is there anything stopping Villa offering him a deal to start in January, with him joining the squad in training, until then.
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Is there anything stopping Villa offering him a deal to start in January, with him joining the squad in training, until then.
Common sense.
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I think (hope) he'll end up at West Ham rather than Villa.
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Hopefully either Gestede or Ayew or Kozac will find goalscoring form soon then the thought of giving the money obsessed Adebayor any kind of contract will fade from Tim Sherwood's mind with the speed of light.
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Now he's been released from his contract by Spuds can we take him as a free agent? Certainly a better option for goals than Ayew or Gestede at the minute
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Now he's been released from his contract by Spuds can we take him as a free agent? Certainly a better option for goals than Ayew or Gestede at the minute
No because he was still registered with Spuds after deadline day. We could have him in January though. Hopefully we won't need to.
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Suddenly I am starting to wonder if we shouldn't take a gamble on him. If things don't look better up front then it might be worth thinking about in January not right now.
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it's still fuck the fucker from me. God's had plenty of time to give him the green light.
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I've changed my mind on him. I didn't want him but I think he would be a much better option than Ayew or Gestede who look Championship standard thus far. He's obviously a crank but I think him as a focal point with Traore, Grealish, Gil/Sinclair behind him would make us an impressive attacking force, it would just be the shambles at the other end.
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I think if we could have him now it would be an easy matter. If we can't get him until January, we might as well scout a long-term alternative and make a proper signing in January.
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If we got him in January it would be March before he was physically and mentally March fit. By then our goose could be cooked.
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I'd take him until the end of the season. But I worry we'll end up giving him a 2+ year deal now he's actually on a free.
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If we got him in January it would be March before he was physically and mentally March fit. By then our goose could be cooked.
Not if we had him train with us now. Sure we could arrange some friendlies to get him fit or have him play for the reserves.
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I'm a lot less comfortable with a deal than I was when he was still a Spurs player.
I don't think giving him more than one year is a good idea at all, and he's going to want more than that.
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He just doesn't seem motivated in the slightest. Can't see him busting a gut for us at all.
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I am probably missing something, but we've scored in every game except Man U - sometimes more than one! I am not sure we actually have a problem with lack of goals. I think we have a problem with lack of concentration, and I don't think the sideshow of Adebayour is in any way the answer to that.
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I am probably missing something, but we've scored in every game except Man U - sometimes more than one! I am not sure we actually have a problem with lack of goals. I think we have a problem with lack of concentration, and I don't think the sideshow of Adebayour is in any way the answer to that.
This.
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I am probably missing something, but we've scored in every game except Man U - sometimes more than one! I am not sure we actually have a problem with lack of goals. I think we have a problem with lack of concentration, and I don't think the sideshow of Adebayour is in any way the answer to that.
I'd disagree. We've been creating lots of chances, we need someone clinical to get on the end of those to put the ball in the back of the net.
We also need a focal point. An athletic target man that can hold the ball up, bring others into the game is also a necessity. Gestede should be that man, but my opinion is that he's not up to it at this level.
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A good striker and we would have been out of sight against Sunderland and Leicester. It's not just about putting the chances away, it's the movement from them that sometimes makes a huge difference to the game as a whole.
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Its not just about converting chances; its also about holding the ball up, bringing other players into the game from midfield and relieving pressure on the defence...simple basics that neither Gabby, Gestede or Ayew seem capable of doing consistently. You can say a lot about Adebayor in terms of his attitude, but if you knock a ball into him, you know he will have the ability to hold it up, keep possession and lay off a ball to a team mate more often than not...and yes, he can finish too. If he's match fit (which is highly unlikely) then he'd be a much better option than anyone else in the CF role.
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The thing about Adebayor isn't what he can contribute on the pitch, though, it is all the other shite that comes with it which makes you wonder whether it is worth it.
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You can say a lot about Adebayor in terms of his attitude, but if you knock a ball into him, you know he will have the ability to hold it up, keep possession and lay off a ball to a team mate more often than not...and yes, he can finish too. If he's match fit
... and if God has given him a sign to do so.
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Very good point. He's clearly a mentalist.
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he's barking and makes Mario look like the most grounded individual on the planet.
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Nah Balotelli is on another level of mentalism...he's genuinely 100% fruitcake. Did anyone else see him in the stands at one of the recent Liverpool games decked out looking like Grace Jones with dangly ear rings? He looked as big a twat as he actually he is...and thats a proper big twat!
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Still a no from me.
On the goals front, we're clearly starting to improve in that respect. But so far Gabby has comfortably been our best central striker and that's not a good thing. Sinclair can't play that role I'm sure of it.
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I think bringing Adebayor in would ultimately compound our problems. He's a nutter and it would end in tears.
I'd line everything up now to get Charlie Austin on January 1st.
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Austin would make this a much better team. Always been doubts that he can really lead the line, but with the creative players we have I think we could manage to find a way.
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Austin is truly a natural goal scorer. It's blatantly obvious that's what we need. Not signing him in the summer was a monumental fuck up.
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Austin is truly a natural goal scorer. It's blatantly obvious that's what we need. Not signing him in the summer was a monumental fuck up.
Newcastle f***ed up as well then? There is more to Austin not going anywhere than meets the eye.
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Austin is truly a natural goal scorer. It's blatantly obvious that's what we need. Not signing him in the summer was a monumental fuck up.
Newcastle f***ed up as well then? There is more to Austin not going anywhere than meets the eye.
There's a few urban legends about him having a fondness for the White stuff. But I don't know about the legitimacy of that.
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All I see is a striker who cannot stop scoring goals.
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All I hear is fans of many clubs saying something doesn't smell quite right about Austin.
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All I hear is fans of many clubs saying something doesn't smell quite right about Austin.
You just answered your own question there.
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I didn't ask a question.
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I wouldn't want Adebayor on anything more than a 6 month contract. He'd have to be a stop gap.
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Austin is truly a natural goal scorer. It's blatantly obvious that's what we need. Not signing him in the summer was a monumental fuck up.
Not strictly true, what we need is an ability to see out games, which was evidenced at the weekend. I wouldn't describe not signing Austin as a 'monumental fuck up'. I agree we need a forward, but I wouldn't solely be looking at Austin.
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The Villa squad is full of goals. The problem is staring us in the face in neon letters ten feet high. We are making too many stupid defensive mistakes and giving away too many soft goals. We need a good goalkeeper ten times more than we need Austin or Adebayor. When we have got a goalkeeper of Premiership standard we need a right back.
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The Villa squad is full of goals. The problem is staring us in the face in neon letters ten feet high. We are making too many stupid defensive mistakes and giving away too many soft goals. We need a good goalkeeper ten times more than we need Austin or Adebayor. When we have got a goalkeeper of Premiership standard we need a right back.
If Timmy is going to play Gil/Traore, Grealish, Sinclair and Gabby then I would be perfectly happy with Huttinho at right back.
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Austin is truly a natural goal scorer. It's blatantly obvious that's what we need. Not signing him in the summer was a monumental fuck up.
Newcastle f***ed up as well then? There is more to Austin not going anywhere than meets the eye.
There's a few urban legends about him having a fondness for the White stuff. But I don't know about the legitimacy of that.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-22759753
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The Villa squad is full of goals. The problem is staring us in the face in neon letters ten feet high. We are making too many stupid defensive mistakes and giving away too many soft goals. We need a good goalkeeper ten times more than we need Austin or Adebayor. When we have got a goalkeeper of Premiership standard we need a right back.
Isn't it a mixture of both?
The goals potential is certainly better than recent seasons, but we're still only scoring at just over a goal a game vs. mediocre opposition.
A better goalie and full back wouldn't do any harm, but I think the inability of the team as a whole to retain possession and control tight games is a bigger worry.
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Just my thoughts. I think with Kozak champing at the bit and Ayew nowhere to go but get better and infinitely better attacking play than last year our goalscoring looks okay to me. The curse the team as a whole is carrying is defensive dopeyness and a complete no show of the winning mentality the manager promised us.
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Just my thoughts. I think with Kozak champing at the bit and Ayew nowhere to go but get better and infinitely better attacking play than last year our goalscoring looks okay to me. The curse the team as a whole is carrying is defensive dopeyness and a complete no show of the winning mentality the manager promised us.
The answer is a nasty, irritating, snidey b****** in midfield. It has always been the answer. You only have to look at the teams outside the usual top 6 or 7 an ask yourself why are they doing well when they do not have good players. The problem with Villa is that we have never really gone down this route.
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Just my thoughts. I think with Kozak champing at the bit and Ayew nowhere to go but get better and infinitely better attacking play than last year our goalscoring looks okay to me. The curse the team as a whole is carrying is defensive dopeyness and a complete no show of the winning mentality the manager promised us.
The answer is a nasty, irritating, snidey b****** in midfield. It has always been the answer. You only have to look at the teams outside the usual top 6 or 7 an ask yourself why are they doing well when they do not have good players. The problem with Villa is that we have never really gone down this route.
Agreed - Neale Cooper springs to mind but that was 30 years ago. I can't remember fans of other teams saying that they feared player X at Villa because he was a dirty sod. Just remembered, Allan Evans had a temper on him in his earlier days too.
I have been saying for a while we are a physically small team - Westwood, Delph, Cleverley, Grealish, Gil and even Gana all seem physically smaller than the majority of midfielders, Sanchez being the exception. In contrast, players like Medinak at Palace seem like giants.
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Just my thoughts. I think with Kozak champing at the bit and Ayew nowhere to go but get better and infinitely better attacking play than last year our goalscoring looks okay to me. The curse the team as a whole is carrying is defensive dopeyness and a complete no show of the winning mentality the manager promised us.
The answer is a nasty, irritating, snidey b****** in midfield. It has always been the answer. You only have to look at the teams outside the usual top 6 or 7 an ask yourself why are they doing well when they do not have good players. The problem with Villa is that we have never really gone down this route.
Agreed - Neale Cooper springs to mind but that was 30 years ago. I can't remember fans of other teams saying that they feared player X at Villa because he was a dirty sod. Just remembered, Allan Evans had a temper on him in his earlier days too.
I have been saying for a while we are a physically small team - Westwood, Delph, Cleverley, Grealish, Gil and even Gana all seem physically smaller than the majority of midfielders, Sanchez being the exception. In contrast, players like Medinak at Palace seem like giants.
I remember Cooper's debut (think it was his debut) in a pre-season 'friendly' up at Celtic. He was not popular before the game kicked off, even less during the game!
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Just my thoughts. I think with Kozak champing at the bit and Ayew nowhere to go but get better and infinitely better attacking play than last year our goalscoring looks okay to me. The curse the team as a whole is carrying is defensive dopeyness and a complete no show of the winning mentality the manager promised us.
The answer is a nasty, irritating, snidey b****** in midfield. It has always been the answer. You only have to look at the teams outside the usual top 6 or 7 an ask yourself why are they doing well when they do not have good players. The problem with Villa is that we have never really gone down this route.
may have been true in the 70's but I don't think its the case today
the only 'snidey bastards' that spring to mind of recent days are Cattermole and Joey Barton both of whom might have made a difference in certain games but would have also cost us in the times they were inevitably got sent of
the games moved on, you cant just go around fouling and kicking people anymore, there has to be some control with strength, I suppose Sanchez and Hutton are the two for us who would put their foot in
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I wish somebody had told Notts County that.
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Just my thoughts. I think with Kozak champing at the bit and Ayew nowhere to go but get better and infinitely better attacking play than last year our goalscoring looks okay to me. The curse the team as a whole is carrying is defensive dopeyness and a complete no show of the winning mentality the manager promised us.
The answer is a nasty, irritating, snidey b****** in midfield. It has always been the answer. You only have to look at the teams outside the usual top 6 or 7 an ask yourself why are they doing well when they do not have good players. The problem with Villa is that we have never really gone down this route.
Not necessarily disagreeing but who would be that person in Swansea/Southampton/Palaces's teams? Them being the clubs which I think are over achieving.
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Just my thoughts. I think with Kozak champing at the bit and Ayew nowhere to go but get better and infinitely better attacking play than last year our goalscoring looks okay to me. The curse the team as a whole is carrying is defensive dopeyness and a complete no show of the winning mentality the manager promised us.
The answer is a nasty, irritating, snidey b****** in midfield. It has always been the answer. You only have to look at the teams outside the usual top 6 or 7 an ask yourself why are they doing well when they do not have good players. The problem with Villa is that we have never really gone down this route.
Not necessarily disagreeing but who would be that person in Swansea/Southampton/Palaces's teams? Them being the clubs which I think are over achieving.
I think it's simply about quality and some degree of physicality, rather than being a pure bastard like Dennis Wise. I suppose Ki/Shelvey/Cork are all big lads; Schneiderlin/Wanyama and even Clasie (he's small, but from what I've seen of him he's not one to take lying down); and Cabaye at Palace, for all his technical skill, can do some underhanded stuff as well - like him kicking Grealish around at Selhurst a few weeks ago. But each of those guys can play, and that's far more relevant, I'd say.
For us, Gana looks good for it, and hopefully Veretout will be as well. Sanchez shows signs of promise, but his passing can be erratic and he tires after 60 minutes. Westwood is a useful option, but he needs to be confined to three-midfielder setups. Then there's Gardner, and who knows how he'll shape up. If we're going to play 4-2-3-1, Gana and Sanchez are probably the best options for now, but I'd hope for either improvement by Sanchez or Veretout/Gardner making themselves a legitimate option.
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The Villa squad is full of goals. The problem is staring us in the face in neon letters ten feet high. We are making too many stupid defensive mistakes and giving away too many soft goals. We need a good goalkeeper ten times more than we need Austin or Adebayor. When we have got a goalkeeper of Premiership standard we need a right back.
Agreed, individual defensive mistakes have thrown points away against Palace, Sunderland and Leicester. We constantly seem to shoot ourselves in the foot from such errors, and add to the pressure by committing avoidable offences in the danger zone. It's idiotic the way some of our players do that. There are a few repeat offenders too, mainly Clark, Guzan, and for all his attacking contribution, Amavi has dropped a few bollocks as well. Bacuna just looks generally ropey in defence and everywhere else. A new keeper and RB would certainly improve things but that's perhaps a little unfair on Hutton, who hasn't done much wrong. Ultimately though you need the manager to protect the defence once the goals have been garnered. Sherwood seems rather inept at doing that, or even at seeing it as a requirement.
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A new keeper and RB would certainly improve things but that's perhaps a little unfair on Hutton, who hasn't done much wrong.
The problem with Hutton is that he cannot defend when the ball comes in from the opposite flank. I do not know whether it is because he gets caught ball watching. The number of times he lets players get goal side of him is not good.