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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on November 02, 2014, 05:55:32 PM
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Thanks Christian.
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Worst run in 47 years apparently.
Thats nice
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six defeats
not good enough
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I have no idea who to be most angry at.
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Sorry Christian. Entirely your fault.
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6 defeats on the bounce.
Unacceptable.
When you lose games as lamely as we do, losing them narrowly and unjustly doesn't make it any better
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no CB against west ham. soton and Burnley . FFS
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Worst run in 47 years. Cheers Lambert and Lerner!
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Where do you even start with that?
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I have no idea who to be most angry at.
I'm going for Benteke for this game. Sheer stupidity to even give the ref the decision to make. Even more when you consider the run we are in and we are 1-0 against a side that looked devoid of ideas and he gifts the initiative to them.
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We all know we're in a shit place, lerner has let us down etc
But let's not put ourselves through all that stuff
It was a good performance. We were unlucky and shot ourselves in the foot (BENTEKE and to a lesser extent sanchez).
But lowton, BENTEKE, Weimann and baker all did well
It's a massive shame BEnteke will be out
It's a sickener but I'm not going to criticise the performance
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The ref was a wanker, and the winner was unlucky, but ultimately Benteke's stupidity cost us the game.
And so to lack of creativity, lack of tactical nous, lack of defensive concentration, lack of confidence, lack of possession and lack of goals, we can add lack of discipline and lack of luck. If only we could add lack of Lerner and lack of Lambert to that list.
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Thanks Christian.
Yes he was foolish. But Mason should have gone as well for sticking his head in Bentekes face. Also what about Soldado then continually pushing Benteke after the incident.
No consistency from the ref
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I had us down to lose this match but didn't realise how bad Spurs actually are at the moment, it was quickly clear that they were there for the taking. The ref certainly didn't do us any favours in the second half but we've chucked an easy 3 points away here, absolutely criminal.
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11 v 11 = Villa win
12 v 10 = Villa loss
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More stupid decisions down at Villa Park, not an ounce of footballing nous at the club. Can't wait for this period to be over either way.
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I hope someone sticks one on Lamela in the tunnel. Unpleasant little cnut.
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More positives for me in this game than the last bunch....played well until the red. Shit happens
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Lamela put his head on Benteke.
Officials fucked us over.
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Not good enough. We lost through our own ability to self destruct. Spurs deserved to win IMO
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Every year it's been the same with him....no improvement just playing roulette with relegation.
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Spurs are shite by the way, they were there for the taking today.
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The sending off didn't help but that was the worst spurs side I've seen for years, there for the taking and we didn't do enough prior to the sending off. I still think we would have lost with Kane coming on for them. Another record though worst run for 47 years - you have to applaud that.
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Losing is one thing watching the Spurs fans act as if they won the league is quite another..
Let down badly by Benteke but ref should have sent off Vertogehan for his challenge before hand.
Now without Benteke for free games we are really in big trouble now.
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The ref was a wanker, and the winner was unlucky, but ultimately Benteke's stupidity cost us the game.
And so to lack of creativity, lack of tactical nous, lack of defensive concentration, lack of confidence, lack of possession and lack of goals, we can add lack of discipline and lack of luck. If only we could add lack of Lerner and lack of Lambert to that list.
I think that sums it up quite nicely!
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Spurs were awful. But they still win of course - Love CB but he was an idiot today and cost us any chance of getting something from this.
We are well and truly fucked.
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Benteke was an idiot, but fuck me, we are so utterly fucking brainless.
Spurs are shite, we had six minutes to see out for all three points and ended up with none.
Absolutely no backbone, organisation or spirit.
Tired of this, now
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So to summarise :- 6th defeat on the spin, our star player is banned for 3 games and Weimann scores to cement his place for another 10 games. Harrumph.
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Worst run in 47 years apparently.
Thats nice
And I remember what happened 47 years ago. We got relegated. Anyone want to bet against the same thing again this season?
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I'm blaming Lambert for bringing on Gabby, losing 6 in a row is not unlucky especially when most of us predicted a loss.
The next three are going to be a nightmare.
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Spurs are shite by the way, they were there for the taking today.
Absolutely they were, but we're so feeble, the result is no surprise.
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Things have been shit but you can't honestly say that was a bad performance. We deserved something from that and if the referee had sent off whoever it was who headbutted Benteke - as he should have - I think we'd have won.
It was a spawny away win by one of the spawniest and most contemptible sides in the history of professional sport.
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The wireless said cheddery should have gone. Mr Green was chuffed at the Spurs come back.
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theres something about Villa this season
playing a out of form shit spuds team with twenty minutes to go and winning
then losing 2-1
the omens are not good
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Second half even with Benteke still on the pitch you can see how it was sent up. We can blame Benteke all we like - and he was a twat - but we still only had one shot on target and set our stall out to defend, we let them have so much of the ball. Awful marking for their first and I think we all knew their winner was inevitable. Six straight defeats and Lambert will feel he has an excuse tonight but its still not good enough. Cant fault some of the players effort but the tactics are just too negative. Another home defeat and we play like minnows at Old Trafford.
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Very harsh to be blaming Benteke, that's a really harsh red and could only have been acceptable if Mason had gone for the 'headbutt' as well. Chadli was pretty lucky to only get a yellow for the 2footer on Westwood as well.
How we fell apart when things went against us shows the mental weakness that Lambert has proven himself to be incapable of fixing but it doesn't stop today being one where we can feel very hard done by a very weak ref.
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Not good enough. We lost through our own ability to self destruct. Spurs deserved to win IMO
Rubbish
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6 defeats on the spin unacceptable regardless of the circumstances. Utterly spineless from the team. Lambert out
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Not good enough. We lost through our own ability to self destruct. Spurs deserved to win IMO
Absolute bollocks. They were shit
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I've never known a club so ready and willing to shoot itself in the foot. Despite Spurs being totally mediocre, the result was inevitable the moment Benteke went off. I just wish I was a bit more savvy with these betting websites as I could make a fortune predicting Villa's self-inflicted downfalls. I bet Burnley can't fucking wait to play us to get their first PL win.
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Very harsh to be blaming Benteke, that's a really harsh red and could only have been acceptable if Mason had gone for the 'headbutt' as well. Chadli was pretty lucky to only get a yellow for the 2footer on Westwood as well.
How we fell apart when things went against us shows the mental weakness that Lambert has proven himself to be incapable of fixing but it doesn't stop today being one where we can feel very hard done by a very weak ref.
No matter how soft we think it is, in this day and age if you stick your hand in a players face the odds are high it is a red if an official sees it. Every player in the game knows that, yet the prat still did it.
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Not good enough. We lost through our own ability to self destruct. Spurs deserved to win IMO
Absolute bollocks. They were shit
which is more worrying
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I have decided simply to daydream about winning lots of games again. Under Tony Pulis. In the Championship.
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Fucking painful. We deserved to get something out of that.
Pretty angry at the ref and Spurs.
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Second half even with Benteke still on the pitch you can see how it was sent up. We can blame Benteke all we like - and he was a twat - but we still only had one shot on target and set our stall out to defend, we let them have so much of the ball. Awful marking for their first and I think we all knew their winner was inevitable. Six straight defeats and Lambert will feel he has an excuse tonight but its still not good enough. Cant fault some of the players effort but the tactics are just too negative. Another home defeat and we play like minnows at Old Trafford.
Gabby came out earlier in the season and said this year the emphasis was on defending and trying to nick something. Exactly not how to approach nervous teams in shit form, we are now firmly in to the habit of defending. There needs to be an overhaul how we approach playing football. It's dire and so are our results.
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Not good enough. We lost through our own ability to self destruct. Spurs deserved to win IMO
Absolute bollocks. They were shit
Spurs were fucking terrible.
The fact they won - referee help or not - just says it all.
I don't think there is anyone i would back us to beat. We needed to show the minimum of mental toughness to see out three points and ended up with none.
It's just not good enough. Now no Benteke for a while, either, and we're relying on this manager to find that toughness from somewhere.
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I don't know why I'm reading this thread its making me more annoyed
All this 'no backbone', 'Spurs deserved to win', 'lambert's fault' stuff
It's bollocks
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Not good enough. We lost through our own ability to self destruct. Spurs deserved to win IMO
Rubbish
They definitely didn't deserve to win but I'm absolutely sick of the lack of spine from the team as soon as we were down I knew we'd chuck the game away and we did. Absolutely no fight in that team at all.
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Very harsh to be blaming Benteke, that's a really harsh red and could only have been acceptable if Mason had gone for the 'headbutt' as well. Chadli was pretty lucky to only get a yellow for the 2footer on Westwood as well.
How we fell apart when things went against us shows the mental weakness that Lambert has proven himself to be incapable of fixing but it doesn't stop today being one where we can feel very hard done by a very weak ref.
No matter how soft we think it is, in this day and age if you stick your hand in a players face the odds are high it is a red if an official sees it. Every player in the game knows that, yet the prat still did it.
it's also a straight red if you stick your head in ssomeone's face, except the ref didn't give that one.
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You can paper over this defeat with a multitude of ifs, but how many goals did we concede from corners at our worst? Ugh, fucking hell, why can't this lot learn?
Nice kick in the pods from fate having the ball glance in off Nathan 'Fifty Pee Head' Baker, too.
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Spurs are shite by the way, they were there for the taking today.
Absolutely they were, but we're so feeble, the result is no surprise.
Exactly this, I think. Spurs looked poor today and were there to be beaten. Had we been even just a little bit better we could have scored another goal or maybe two and seen the game out quite comfortably. That we couldn't manage to do so does not bode well at all for us - although I can't remember the last time anything at all boded well for us, to be frank.
I doubt West Ham will be as poor given the run they're on.
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Not good enough. We lost through our own ability to self destruct. Spurs deserved to win IMO
Absolute bollocks. They were shit
Spurs were fucking terrible.
The fact they won - referee help or not - just says it all.
I don't think there is anyone i would back us to beat. We needed to show the minimum of mental toughness to see out three points and ended up with none.
It's just not good enough. Now no Benteke for a while, either, and we're relying on this manager to find that toughness from somewhere.
I'm convinced we would have won if Benteke stayed on.
And now thanks to his fucking stupidity, not olny do we lose this game, but we go into the next 3 back to having Bent, Gabby and Andi as our only strikers. 3 games we just have to get results from.
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Spurs are shite by the way, they were there for the taking today.
Absolutely they were, but we're so feeble, the result is no surprise.
I'm afraid it shows just how incredibly bad we are that an awful Spurs team can stroll away with the points.
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HTF did Spuds do that??
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We're going down as not only are we not very good, we don't seem to get an ounce of luck either.
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burnley would have beat spuds today
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I also love the timing of Benteke's petulance. Three games we could really have had a go at and now Gabby and Weimann lead the line again.
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Spurs were the worst side I've seen us play this season, easily.
They did not deserve to win by any stretch of the imagination.
They did, though. We had, what, another six or seven minutes to usher out for the three points. We are just so fucking feeble, disorganised, unconfident.
We were unlucky as well today, yes, but this is a six match run of defeats. What about the other five?
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HTF did Spuds do that??
They relied on the famous Villa crumble to get them out of the shit because boy we're they bollocks today. A decent side would have seen them off comfortably.
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They put in a lot of effort but in EVERY game we play like we are hanging on for dear life and 9 times out of ten we are. This side will be relegated this season. Too much emphasis on Benteke, only TWO players have scored for us this season. Plan A is contain, counter-attack and maybe score if lucky. There is no Plan B and there hasn't been for any of his reign apart from a positive last 3 months at the end of his first season. Worst Villa boss I have seen since 1988.
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at least we scored - fuck ronaldo and his 21 goals
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Absolutely pissed off. I was convinced Benteke would get a couple and then go on from there for the season. Bloody stupid fool.
Now we're again without him and we have Goldie blaming the result on Gabby coming on. Marvellous.
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I'll say one thing, if the players keep being that fucking stupid, i'm especially looking at you Benteke and Sanchez, then we will go down.
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What a bunch of dirty bastards Spurs are. Mason stuck his head into Benteke and nothing was done about it. They put in 2 dangerous tackles and they get yellow carded. If the game stays 11-11 we win that.
Watch Gabby in there equaliser by the way. Weimann to a lesser degree too. Disgusting.
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It was a red card - he raised his hands.
We are in a fkn awful run at the moment and everything seems to be going against us (shinned goals, deflections and the fact they could easily have had players sent off).
Spurs are bobbins though and have no chance of getting top 4.
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They put in a lot of effort but in EVERY game we play like we are hanging on for dear life and 9 times out of ten we are. This side will be relegated this season. Too much emphasis on Benteke, only TWO players have scored for us this season. Plan A is contain, counter-attack and maybe score if lucky. There is no Plan B and there hasn't been for any of his reign apart from a positive last 3 months at the end of his first season. Worst Villa boss I have seen since 1988.
I hope you mean 1987
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I actually think sanchez is one of our best players by far but he likes to give the opposition the chance to score goals . lets out he stops doing it.
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Gabby was dire for their first goal
And why oh why oh why do we bring everyone back for corners.
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They put in a lot of effort but in EVERY game we play like we are hanging on for dear life and 9 times out of ten we are. This side will be relegated this season. Too much emphasis on Benteke, only TWO players have scored for us this season. Plan A is contain, counter-attack and maybe score if lucky. There is no Plan B and there hasn't been for any of his reign apart from a positive last 3 months at the end of his first season. Worst Villa boss I have seen since 1988.
I hope you mean 1987
well yeah but I mean since I started following Villa. Venglos was a worthwhile experiment that didn't work, O'Leary, McCleish.... Lambert tops the list.
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I actually think sanchez is one of our best players by far but he likes to give the opposition the chance to score goals . lets out he stops doing it.
He has, but that challenge that late was insanity.
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This is a really poor spurs team in a bad place at the moment. A great opportunity wasted. The type of defeat that has bottom three written all over it.
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I actually think sanchez is one of our best players by far but he likes to give the opposition the chance to score goals . lets out he stops doing it.
Mainly due to tiredness. Once he's fit enough to last 90+ minutes of Premier League football those mistakes won't happen.
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This is never going to end is it?
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They put in a lot of effort but in EVERY game we play like we are hanging on for dear life and 9 times out of ten we are. This side will be relegated this season. Too much emphasis on Benteke, only TWO players have scored for us this season. Plan A is contain, counter-attack and maybe score if lucky. There is no Plan B and there hasn't been for any of his reign apart from a positive last 3 months at the end of his first season. Worst Villa boss I have seen since 1988.
I hope you mean 1987
well yeah but I mean since I started following Villa. Venglos was a worthwhile experiment that didn't work, O'Leary, McCleish.... Lambert tops the list.
On a par with TSM and not as bad as McDuff.
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They've just shown the red card incident again and it's amazing that Mason can get away with shoving his head in Benteke's face and not even get a talking to. If Benteke had gone down like a sack of spuds Mason would have gone instead. And then Benteke is pushed at least 3 times by a Spurs player, again often deemed to be enough for a red. Totally inept from the officials.
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I actually think sanchez is one of our best players by far but he likes to give the opposition the chance to score goals . lets out he stops doing it.
He has, but that challenge that late was insanity.
and the rangers giveaway
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It's usually the worst teams that are "unlucky" and I'm getting sick of shit excuses each week for being losers.
Without Benteke and Delph we look inept but all we had to do was defend for a few more minutes. Instead we let a man free at a corner and Sanchez again shows his naiveity by committing a needless free-kick for the winner. And Baker will overtake Dunne's record of PL own goals if he somehow cons his way out of a living organism in the top flight for the next decade.
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I actually think sanchez is one of our best players by far but he likes to give the opposition the chance to score goals . lets out he stops doing it.
Mainly due to tiredness. Once he's fit enough to last 90+ minutes of Premier League football those mistakes won't happen.
so a lambert mistake then?
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Worst run in 47 years apparently.
Thats nice
And I remember what happened 47 years ago. We got relegated. Anyone want to bet against the same thing again this season?
looking at my Villa record book it was over two seasons. Four at the end of 66/7 two at the start of 67/8.
62/63 they lost ELEVEN in a row.
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I'm too aggravated by the bullshit bottle out referee to give any thought to our failings. The yellow card for Vertonghen seemed to give Spurs the signal that they could get away with murder and they did. God I hate them.
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theres going to be one shock in the next two games
a win against Soton Im thinking
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They were saying after Pardew got that win yesterday that it proves a run of bad form is no time for knee-jerk reactions. But I'm at a loss wondering what else would improve the situation. When we lose to superior opposition, we get smashed. When we lose and should win, it's always because we sit back and wait for the worst. When we win, it's always a mad panic waiting for the final whistle, and with a couple of very rare exceptions, always close.
Lambert is clueless. I'm not needlessly scapegoating him for today - there are some very sheepish Spurs fans doing the rounds on Twitter - but the squad has a mindset that they don't deserve to be any better and he's to blame for that, surely?
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theres going to be one shock in the next two games
a win against Soton Im thinking
4-1 to beat West Ham
You heard it here first
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Ironic that finally after Lambert retrieving the incriminating photos he had of the manager gabby finally gets dropped is now a shoe in for the next three games
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I don't see the red card as the reason we lost. With composure we could have seen that game out. Time was on our side.
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Feel physically sick. Fuck off Benteke you prick.
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They've just shown the red card incident again and it's amazing that Mason can get away with shoving his head in Benteke's face and not even get a talking to. If Benteke had gone down like a sack of spuds Mason would have gone instead. And then Benteke is pushed at least 3 times by a Spurs player, again often deemed to be enough for a red. Totally inept from the officials.
I thought that was incredible.
He clearly had his head in Benteke's face, and the second Benteke touched him ran straight to the ref.
What a ******, but we were suckered there.
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I'm too aggravated by the bullshit bottle out referee to give any thought to our failings. The yellow card for Vertonghen seemed to give Spurs the signal that they could get away with murder and they did. God I hate them.
That's what happens though isn't it. We've let ourselves become fucking non entities in this league. When you used to see crap like Fulham conned out of games against Glamour clubs by dodgy decisions that's what is happening to us now. Twice in 2 seasons Vertonghen has assaulted players here and got away with it, he's even debagged someone in the penalty area and got away with it.
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I don't see the red card as the reason we lost. With composure we could have seen that game out. Time was on our side.
Red card didn't help us but Vertonghen should have gone.
And Spuds were shit.
We should have got a least a draw.
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In a massive clutching of straws slice of optimism maybe the fact they feel cheated by the ref might galvanise them.
If not I think we are in deep doo doo.
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I'm too aggravated by the bullshit bottle out referee to give any thought to our failings. The yellow card for Vertonghen seemed to give Spurs the signal that they could get away with murder and they did. God I hate them.
Me too, I absolutely loathe Spurs.
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theres going to be one shock in the next two games
a win against Soton Im thinking
4-1 to beat West Ham
You heard it here first
lets hope Rob
we cant do 8 defeats
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I'm going to ignore the dumb behaviour of benteke, crap officials, decent first half and concentrate on the bigger picture - fuck of Lerner, fuck off Lambert.
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People blasting Benteke. Brilliant. If some scroat shoved his head in my face I would push it away. It is a natural reaction too. I would defy anyone not to in the situation.
And lets ignore the 2 2 footed lunges by Spurs players that were ignored and much more dangerous.
Lambert should be sacked. We should have seen it out. But today was very much down to a poor official not having any control of his clear love for a white shirt. Modern football is ruled by popularity and money. It is why I increasingly don't watch it. Today wound me up. Sanchez was probably too tired to not make the tackle and probably should not have been on the pitch by then in an ideal world. Gabby should have gone with the (fortunate to be on the pitch) Chadli for the 1st goal. They were very, very lucky, and very, very assisted to a win.
Lambert has to go, and we are in a bad way, but I don't hold Benteke or Sanchez responsible.
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I'm too aggravated by the bullshit bottle out referee to give any thought to our failings. The yellow card for Vertonghen seemed to give Spurs the signal that they could get away with murder and they did. God I hate them.
I agree, bottling that decision led to everything that happened in the next 10-15minutes which saw Benteke off, Weimann booked and Chadli booked for what could easily have been another red card challenge.
Not sending Mason off for pushing his head into Benteke's face is that one that's got me, how can a push to the face of someone who's shoving their head into your face lead to 1 player red carded and nothing the other way, fucking abysmal decision. On top of that Soldado ran 30 yards and pushed Benteke in the chest 3 times and nothing was said about that either.
Final point how the fuck does one free kick that's going tamely into the keepers arms before a big deflection lead to you being given man of the match, what the fuck was that all about?
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of course what Benteke should have done is be a girl, feign a head butt and go down like a sack of 'spuds' and get that fucker sent off..... instead of being a man and slap the obnoxious twat. Well thats todays football and everything I utterly dislike about it.....
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I'm too aggravated by the bullshit bottle out referee to give any thought to our failings. The yellow card for Vertonghen seemed to give Spurs the signal that they could get away with murder and they did. God I hate them.
Me too, I absolutely loathe Spurs.
And their stupid wanky slow song. Behind the obvious few suspects Spurs are right up there in my "Bunch of Wankers" league.
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I actually think sanchez is one of our best players by far but he likes to give the opposition the chance to score goals . lets out he stops doing it.
Mainly due to tiredness. Once he's fit enough to last 90+ minutes of Premier League football those mistakes won't happen.
so a lambert mistake then?
Well it is obvious. I was pissed off on Monday because I thought he was tiring and the game needed a change. Their fitness people should know how long each player can last before there's a drop in their performance. It's pretty well known that Weimann's knackered by the 80th minute for example. Some managers don't like using substitutes and others are very smart with their subs. Put Richardson on for Sanchez once he starts tiring and nothing is lost.
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of course what Benteke should have done is be a girl, feign a head butt and go down like a sack of 'spuds' and get that fucker sent off..... instead of being a man and slap the obnoxious twat. Well thats todays football and everything I utterly dislike about it.....
Totally spot on. Cheats prosper.
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People blasting Benteke. Brilliant. If some scroat shoved his head in my face I would push it away. It is a natural reaction too. I would defy anyone not to in the situation.
And lets ignore the 2 2 footed lunges by Spurs players that were ignored and much more dangerous.
Lambert should be sacked. We should have seen it out. But today was very much down to a poor official not having any control of his clear love for a white shirt. Modern football is ruled by popularity and money. It is why I increasingly don't watch it. Today wound me up. Sanchez was probably too tired to not make the tackle and probably should not have been on the pitch by then in an ideal world. Gabby should have gone with the (fortunate to be on the pitch) Chadli for the 1st goal. They were very, very lucky, and very, very assisted to a win.
Lambert has to go, and we are in a bad way, but I don't hold Benteke or Sanchez responsible.
Irrelevant what is done to you, have the sense to realise that if you put your hands to someones face then chances are you're getting sent off. We were looking reasonably comnfortable at that point.
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We had 5 straight league defeats in 1966/67 so 6 straight defeats must be even further back than 47 years ago and maybe the most consecutive league defeats in our history, and I am sorry to say number 7 is coming up at West Ham.
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theres going to be one shock in the next two games
a win against Soton Im thinking
4-1 to beat West Ham
You heard it here first
lets hope Rob
we cant do 8 defeats
Can't see us winning 4-1. We don't get 4 attempts on target and i doubt we did today either.
Just checked. We had one compared to spurs 7.
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They've just shown the red card incident again and it's amazing that Mason can get away with shoving his head in Benteke's face and not even get a talking to. If Benteke had gone down like a sack of spuds Mason would have gone instead. And then Benteke is pushed at least 3 times by a Spurs player, again often deemed to be enough for a red. Totally inept from the officials.
I thought that was incredible.
He clearly had his head in Benteke's face, and the second Benteke touched him ran straight to the ref.
What a c***, but we were suckered there.
The stupidest thing Benteke did was not to go to ground, either from the head in the face or the pushes. Going to ground leads to a pavlovian response from officials, they see someone go down, they assume it's foul play, you don't go down, nothing happened.
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theres going to be one shock in the next two games
a win against Soton Im thinking
You heard it here first
lets hope Rob
we cant do 8 defeats
Can't see us winning 4-1. We don't get 4 attempts on target and i doubt we did today either.
Sorry 4-1 are the odds.
We're gonna nick it.
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We had 5 straight league defeats in 1966/67 so 6 straight defeats must be even further back than 47 years ago and maybe the most consecutive league defeats in our history, and I am sorry to say number 7 is coming up at West Ham.
We lost the last 4 of 66/67 and the first 2 of 67/68.
We lost 11 in a row in 62/63
23.03-A Fulham 0-1
29.03-A Blackpool 0-4
01.04-H Everton 0-2
06.04-A Burnley 1-3
09.04-H Manchester U 1-2
13.04-H Sheffield W 0-2
15.04-A Wolves 1-3
16.04-H Wolves 0-2
20.04-A Bolton 1-4
01.05-A Sheffield U 1-2
04.05-H Nottingham 0-2
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23 losses in 36 games, Lerner doesn't give a shit and Lambert has no professional pride, why would you want to continue doing a job as poorly as that, walk man.
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39% possession. you cannot win games by continually letting the other team keep the ball. Even with Benteke on the pitch we still didn't have enough of the ball.
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well I can't see Lambert loosing 12 in a row so that's a positive
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39% possession. you cannot win games by continually letting the other team keep the ball. Even with Benteke on the pitch we still didn't have enough of the ball.
Stats do not matter to Lambert, said so himself. I don't know what he does believe in, but it hasn't worked for the last 2 years.
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39% possession. you cannot win games by continually letting the other team keep the ball. Even with Benteke on the pitch we still didn't have enough of the ball.
Doesn't really count for much when you've had to play a chunk of the game with 10 men.
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of course what Benteke should have done is be a girl, feign a head butt and go down like a sack of 'spuds' and get that fucker sent off..... instead of being a man and slap the obnoxious twat. Well thats todays football and everything I utterly dislike about it.....
Actually when you put it like that it's actually quite true. Modern football is no men's game is it.
Benteke knows he can't do it by the letter of the law but the letter of the law stinks.
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Every game we play it feels we like we are holding on for dear life. The best counter-attacking teams still feel like they are controlling the game. We never ever feel in control of a game. We hit the post in the first half and put some crosses in but lets face it with our defence we still looked vulnerable. Kudos to Guzan but Adebayor should have scored.
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Gave it a good go this evening. Spirit was a lot better and we finally had players supporting Benteke. Lambert to be fair was rewarded in his decision to start Nzogbia and Weimann with both being involved in the goal. However we looked in trouble I thought even before Benteke's moment of madness. Thought Rico and Gabby should have been a lot earlier when any number of our players were blowing out their holes from about the 60-70 min mark. The Spurs substitute trio in comparison improved them hugely
For the majority of the game though it was two very poor sides. Cissokho seemed on a one man mission to break the all time Villa misplaced pass record, Lowton's efforts to play Adebayor offside in the first half were pub football esque, very little again from Cleverley and Nathan Baker hoofing everything in sight. For all our huff and puff, Guzan was our best player. Our team is bereft of genuine quality and that is the reason we are staring into the barrel of another relegation fight.
Guzan 9, Lowton 4, Vlaar 6, Baker 5, Cissokho 4, Westwood 6, Sanchez 6, Cleverley 5, Nzogbia 6, Benteke 4, Weimann 6. Gabby 5, Rico 5
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of course what Benteke should have done is be a girl, feign a head butt and go down like a sack of 'spuds' and get that fucker sent off..... instead of being a man and slap the obnoxious twat. Well thats todays football and everything I utterly dislike about it.....
Or even be a "man" and feign a head butt (I've never seen a "girl" feign a head butt in a game of football, I have seen many "men" do so).
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Even though that performance was far better than I expected, it was still a standard Villa performance - play half decently, panic because you don't think you can sustain it, get shafted by some refereeing decision that you need to put out of your mind, retreat behind the ball and hope for the best.
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Gave it a good go this evening. Spirit was a lot better and we finally had players supporting Benteke. Lambert to be fair was rewarded in his decision to start Nzogbia and Weimann with both being involved in the goal. However we looked in trouble I thought even before Benteke's moment of madness. Thought Rico and Gabby should have been a lot earlier when any number of our players were blowing out their holes from about the 60-70 min mark. The Spurs substitute trio in comparison improved them hugely
For the majority of the game though it was two very poor sides. Cissokho seemed on a one man mission to break the all time Villa misplaced pass record, Lowton's efforts to play Adebayor offside in the first half were pub football esque, very little again from Cleverley and Nathan Baker hoofing everything in sight. For all our huff and puff, Guzan was our best player. Our team is bereft of genuine quality and that is the reason we are staring into the barrel of another relegation fight.
Guzan 9, Lowton 4, Vlaar 6, Baker 5, Cissokho 4, Westwood 6, Sanchez 6, Cleverley 5, Nzogbia 6, Benteke 4, Weimann 6. Gabby 5, Rico 5
Spot on
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39% possession. you cannot win games by continually letting the other team keep the ball. Even with Benteke on the pitch we still didn't have enough of the ball.
Doesn't really count for much when you've had to play a chunk of the game with 10 men.
One shot on target all game too.....and this type of stat has been there all season.
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39% possession. you cannot win games by continually letting the other team keep the ball. Even with Benteke on the pitch we still didn't have enough of the ball.
Doesn't really count for much when you've had to play a chunk of the game with 10 men.
Maybe but what was possession count before Benteke went off? At one point in the first half after we'd scored it was 30% in our favour for about 20 minutes. You'd like to think at home at least we would see some more of the ball than we do.
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He's just been on sky and said we were excellent.
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Even though that performance was far better than I expected, it was still a standard Villa performance - play half decently, panic because you don't think you can sustain it, get shafted by some refereeing decision that you need to put out of your mind, retreat behind the ball and hope for the best.
It is also worth noting that against QPR for the first 20 minutes we played very well, too.
Our problem is we are capable of doing that on a relatively regular basis, but we then go and totally fuck it all up anyway. Those, today, should have been the three easiest points we'd get all season, Tottenham were so dreadful.
Even given that, though, 38% possession and 1 shot on target, which is about par for the course this season.
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We lost against the worst Spurs side in living memory because three players Benteke,Agbonlahor and Sanchez were totally unprofessional.
Simple as that.
Even with 10 men we had the game in the bag.
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I don't get Sanchez.
That is another game where he has looked really pretty good with the exception of one gigantic fuck up which undoes it all.
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must admit
one shot on target at home to a shit spuds team is still pretty shit
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He's just been on sky and said we were excellent.
Does anyone still pay attention to what he says? His interviews are so inaccurate I find them worrying, he sums up the hierarchy at the club. Heads in sand.
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The thing is, we've played better in the last two games, but still lost both matches to two teams who aren't playing at all well. When's the rot going to stop?
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of course what Benteke should have done is be a girl, feign a head butt and go down like a sack of 'spuds' and get that fucker sent off..... instead of being a man and slap the obnoxious twat. Well thats todays football and everything I utterly dislike about it.....
Totally spot on. Cheats prosper.
Are those the only two options he has? Feign injury or slap him?
Can't he just take a step back, laugh in the bloke's face and let the referee deal with it?
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I'm too aggravated by the bullshit bottle out referee to give any thought to our failings. The yellow card for Vertonghen seemed to give Spurs the signal that they could get away with murder and they did. God I hate them.
I agree, bottling that decision led to everything that happened in the next 10-15minutes which saw Benteke off, Weimann booked and Chadli booked for what could easily have been another red card challenge.
Not sending Mason off for pushing his head into Benteke's face is that one that's got me, how can a push to the face of someone who's shoving their head into your face lead to 1 player red carded and nothing the other way, fucking abysmal decision. On top of that Soldado ran 30 yards and pushed Benteke in the chest 3 times and nothing was said about that either.
Final point how the fuck does one free kick that's going tamely into the keepers arms before a big deflection lead to you being given man of the match, what the fuck was that all about?
The fourth official said red into his mic as soon as benteke pushed him. Maybe if the ref had consulted with the 4th official to see whether he was provoked it would have seen mason go as well
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Some eejit Villa fan tells "Wrighty" on 5Live that Lambert is doing a great job given the circumstances...this free pass knows no limits it seems.
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The thing is, we've played better in the last two games, but still lost both matches to two teams who aren't playing at all well. When's the rot going to stop?
That is exactly my worry.
QPR and Spurs are fucking awful. In both those matches, we played well for spells, but we come away without any points. I can't see it stopping any time soon.
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The thing is, we've played better in the last two games, but still lost both matches to two teams who aren't playing at all well. When's the rot going to stop?
I can see us getting something out of Leicester at home. So December 7th.
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I actually think sanchez is one of our best players by far but he likes to give the opposition the chance to score goals . lets out he stops doing it.
He has, but that challenge that late was insanity.
When he signed somebody posted that he hadn't made a mistake that led to a conceded goal for about four years. He's certainly making up for it now. Otherwise, good player.
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We lost against the worst Spurs side in living memory because three players Benteke,Agbonlahor and Sanchez were totally unprofessional.
Simple as that.
Even with 10 men we had the game in the bag.
It's nowhere near the worst Spurs side in living memory. Unless that person is about 12 years old.
I'd agree with the rest though.
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Even with 10 men we had the game in the bag.
I agree with that
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Some eejit Villa fan tells "Wrighty" on 5Live that Lambert is doing a great job given the circumstances...this free pass knows no limits it seems.
I heard that too and was visibly foaming at the mouth with frustration.
Thats the problem the media thinks PL is doing ok. Nothing could be further from the truth
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of course what Benteke should have done is be a girl, feign a head butt and go down like a sack of 'spuds' and get that fucker sent off..... instead of being a man and slap the obnoxious twat. Well thats todays football and everything I utterly dislike about it.....
Absolutely - Fully agree!
Totally spot on. Cheats prosper.
Are those the only two options he has? Feign injury or slap him?
Can't he just take a step back, laugh in the bloke's face and let the referee deal with it?
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I am just kicking myself I didn't stick some cash on after the Liverpool game for us to go down.
We are 3-1 now.
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Some eejit Villa fan tells "Wrighty" on 5Live that Lambert is doing a great job given the circumstances...this free pass knows no limits it seems.
I heard that too and was visibly foaming at the mouth with frustration.
Thats the problem the media thinks PL is doing ok. Nothing could be further from the truth
19 defeats in 30 games is not ok
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The Benteke sending off:
http://gfycat.com/ImpartialReasonableIndochinesetiger
The fucking idiot. Mason should have walked as well, mind. Still, the red card gives Lambert some small straw to grasp at.
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Benteke lost that for us. The 2014 version of Dion Dublin headbutting Savage and losing us that match against Blues.
Never a sending off in football as it should be, but it's not, so he got sent off.
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We lost against the worst Spurs side in living memory because three players Benteke,Agbonlahor and Sanchez were totally unprofessional.
Simple as that.
Even with 10 men we had the game in the bag.
It's nowhere near the worst Spurs side in living memory. Unless that person is about 12 years old.
I'd agree with the rest though.
But they were poor and have been most of the season. Before today they were one point ahead of us
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Mason got exactly what they wanted as they couldn't cope with him. Get him to react and off the pitch and the prat fell for it.
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Well he certainly isn't going to be sacked this week. The unlucky card will be out. We pick ourselves up and go again to Wet Spam
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The thing is, we've played better in the last two games, but still lost both matches to two teams who aren't playing at all well. When's the rot going to stop?
I can see us getting something out of Leicester at home. So December 7th.
It will be another get your season back on track game for Leicester.
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We lost against the worst Spurs side in living memory because three players Benteke,Agbonlahor and Sanchez were totally unprofessional.
Simple as that.
Even with 10 men we had the game in the bag.
It's nowhere near the worst Spurs side in living memory. Unless that person is about 12 years old.
I'd agree with the rest though.
But they were poor and have been most of the season. Before today they were one point ahead of us
They were wank today. Which is why i'm convinced we'd have won if Benteke used his brain.
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Very rare I get a feeling of being sick to the stomach after any defeat anymore but I defy anyone not to be feeling like that after tonight.
We actually play very well, I was happy with what I saw so to lose that was gutwrenching.
We are deep in the s*** now.
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It wasn't a red card.
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Mason pushes his head in, CB should just stagger back clutching face, Mason off, Villa win. Need to get more streetwise.
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It wasn't a red card.
Of course it is. 99% of the time when a player does that he's off if the officials see it.
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If that had been in the 1.30 game does anyone think a Manc on either side would have been sent off?
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Jamie Rednapp "Harry Kane stops behind all the time after traing to practice free kicks. I know it got a deflection but he deserved that".
Sky FFS
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It wasn't a red card.
It was by the laws of the game
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I listened to Souness et al after the game and they were saying that we lacked quality in important areas of the pitch.
I think this year injuries and suspensions are really hindering us, because with everyone fit and available I would think that the following wouldn't be out of place in a top 6 team.....
Guzan
Vlaar
Delph
Cleverly
Benteke.
That is just under half a team (though it rarely seems to get on the pitch at the same time).The others making up the team are not totally hopeless which leads me to the conclusion that they are just being coached ineptly. The really disappointing thing is that the inept coaching seems to have been going on for seasons now.
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We lost against the worst Spurs side in living memory because three players Benteke,Agbonlahor and Sanchez were totally unprofessional.
Simple as that.
Even with 10 men we had the game in the bag.
It's nowhere near the worst Spurs side in living memory. Unless that person is about 12 years old.
I'd agree with the rest though.
But they were poor and have been most of the season. Before today they were one point ahead of us
They were wank today. Which is why i'm convinced we'd have won if Benteke used his brain.
I'm with you Ped, that was the most comfortable we've been all season, until Benteke allowed himself to get wound up. To be honest, after that we were quite fortunate Weimann didn't join him, as he seemed intent on doing his "ooh, look at me, I'm all pissed off and that with the rampant injustice of it all" routine. Another grade one idiot.
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Even though that performance was far better than I expected, it was still a standard Villa performance - play half decently, panic because you don't think you can sustain it, get shafted by some refereeing decision that you need to put out of your mind, retreat behind the ball and hope for the best.
It is also worth noting that against QPR for the first 20 minutes we played very well, too.
How much is that really worth though?
I'm sure Burnley could point to the odd 15/20 minute purple patch here and there.
Most relegated sides aren't completely dreadful in every minute of every game they play too.
They're dreadful for long enough to ultimately come a cropper though, and we have that look about us.
Maybe there will be three teams even worse than us again this year, but we are wretched.
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I listened to Souness et al after the game and they were saying that we lacked quality in important areas of the pitch.
I think this year injuries and suspensions are really hindering us, because with everyone fit and available I would think that the following wouldn't be out of place in a top 6 team.....
Guzan
Vlaar
Delph
Cleverly
Benteke.
That is just under half a team (though it rarely seems to get on the pitch at the same time).The others making up the team are not totally hopeless which leads me to the conclusion that they are just being coached ineptly. The really disappointing thing is that the inept coaching seems to have been going on for seasons now.
Benteke on form is class, I'll give you that, but Vlaar? Not in a month of Sundays. On recent showings, the jury would have to be out on Cleverley as well, and Delph is all fart and no shit.
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It was a red card.
How Spurs didn't get a red card for any of their various assaults during the game was staggering.
Similar to how the Chelsea game panned out a few years back when Benteke saw red. We can barely win with 11 men, no chance with 10.
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It wasn't a red card.
Of course it is. 99% of the time when a player does that he's off if the officials see it.
Got to disagree, I've lost count of the amount of times I've seen a bit of face pushing earn nothing but a talking to or yellow cards both ways.
The ref was looking for a way to get them back in to the game, glamour club versus plodders and we gave him the chance to oblige. A top 6 vs top 6 game would not have seen anyone off for that.
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I remember a long time ago - possibly 2002/03 - when a terrible Villa side took the lead against Spuds through Allback and conspired to lose 2-1. We look very similar to that side. We'll probably win about three more matches and it'll be up to how many draws we can take from the other matches.
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We had 5 straight league defeats in 1966/67 so 6 straight defeats must be even further back than 47 years ago and maybe the most consecutive league defeats in our history, and I am sorry to say number 7 is coming up at West Ham.
As those six conscutive defeats were over 2 seasons this is our worst record since 6We had 5 straight league defeats in 1966/67 so 6 straight defeats must be even further back than 47 years ago and maybe the most consecutive league defeats in our history, and I am sorry to say number 7 is coming up at West Ham.
We lost the last 4 of 66/67 and the first 2 of 67/68.
We lost 11 in a row in 62/63
23.03-A Fulham 0-1
29.03-A Blackpool 0-4
01.04-H Everton 0-2
06.04-A Burnley 1-3
09.04-H Manchester U 1-2
13.04-H Sheffield W 0-2
15.04-A Wolves 1-3
16.04-H Wolves 0-2
20.04-A Bolton 1-4
01.05-A Sheffield U 1-2
04.05-H Nottingham 0-2
We lost the last 4 of 66/67 and the first 2 of 67/68.
We lost 11 in a row in 62/63
23.03-A Fulham 0-1
29.03-A Blackpool 0-4
01.04-H Everton 0-2
06.04-A Burnley 1-3
09.04-H Manchester U 1-2
13.04-H Sheffield W 0-2
15.04-A Wolves 1-3
16.04-H Wolves 0-2
20.04-A Bolton 1-4
01.05-A Sheffield U 1-2
04.05-H Nottingham 0-2
But as those 6 defeats were over 2 seasons this is our worst losing run in 51 years, even Lambert cant match or beat 11 can he?
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I'm too aggravated by the bullshit bottle out referee to give any thought to our failings. The yellow card for Vertonghen seemed to give Spurs the signal that they could get away with murder and they did. God I hate them.
Me too, I absolutely loathe Spurs.
And their stupid wanky slow song. Behind the obvious few suspects Spurs are right up there in my "Bunch of Wankers" league.
It is by a long, long way, the biggest ****** trick of a song known to man.
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Very rare I get a feeling of being sick to the stomach after any defeat anymore but I defy anyone not to be feeling like that after tonight.
We actually play very well, I was happy with what I saw so to lose that was gutwrenching.
We are deep in the s*** now.
Yeah I agree, absolutely frustrated after that result. I feel very drained and really annoyed to lose this one. I was so convinced we'd win and Benteke would get on the score sheet.
Friggin nightmare and now he's banned for 3 matches for a poxy slap.
It's crap, ok he can't do that but a 3 game ban?
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He's just been on sky and said we were excellent.
I thought he looked like he had been crying.
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It may be a natural reaction to push somebody's head away if they're grinding it in your face, but in football all you need to do is drop and he's off. We're not a thinking club, is the nicest way I can put it.
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The mindset at the club is totally and utterly unhinged.
To me Lamber hasn't an ounce on technical nous or ability whatsoever.
So, we are one up, and fairly comfortable (due to the utter shiteness of spurs). We give a way a crap corner and concede. So, that's when the brain dead one decides to take off a striker and bring on Richardson! Why? It that his prompt to shut up shop and take what we have , When we have just conceded ? Then we go behind and the fucker decides to bring a striker on!!
The whole set up stinks of total mismanagement and incompetence.
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So, after Burnley, we've got the equal worst goal difference in the division with QPR.
And next up two games against the two form teams of the Premier League. It could very well be 8 losses in a row. What is our record for most losses in a row?
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So, after Burnley, we've got the equal worst goal difference in the division with QPR.
And next up two games against the two form teams of the Premier League. It could very well be 8 losses in a row. What is our record for most losses in a row?
That would be 11.
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Ah another record, worst run for 47 years. Excellent.
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It seemed as if we (at least Weimann and Cleverley) tried to carry out the Roy Keane school of referee intimidation. But that only works if the team is Man Utd and the manager is Alex Ferguson. Instead we got the ref against us. I'm not gonna criticise Benteke, allthough he shouldn't have done what he did. It was an even match against two poor teams out of form, and we had the upper hand until the ref changed the game. I'm not gonna be too downbeat about the performance or the effort, it was as good as one can expect from a team that has lost five times on the trot.
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When you under the cosh, nothing goes for you. Absolutely nothing.
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Somehow I dont think Norman Hunter would have prospered in the modern game. Or Andy Lochhead!
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So, after Burnley, we've got the equal worst goal difference in the division with QPR.
And next up two games against the two form teams of the Premier League. It could very well be 8 losses in a row. What is our record for most losses in a row?
That would be 11.
When was that out of interest? Surely even Lambert can't be THAT dismal?
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Even though that performance was far better than I expected, it was still a standard Villa performance - play half decently, panic because you don't think you can sustain it, get shafted by some refereeing decision that you need to put out of your mind, retreat behind the ball and hope for the best.
It is also worth noting that against QPR for the first 20 minutes we played very well, too.
How much is that really worth though?
I'm sure Burnley could point to the odd 15/20 minute purple patch here and there.
Most relegated sides aren't completely dreadful in every minute of every game they play too.
They're dreadful for long enough to ultimately come a cropper though, and we have that look about us.
Maybe there will be three teams even worse than us again this year, but we are wretched.
It is worth absolutely nothing, that's the point I was making. Just like playing well for a full 90 minutes (Liverpool) is worth fuck all if you then lose six matches in a row, playing well for twenty minutes or so is just not enough, I'm afraid.
Even with the sending off, there were three points there for the taking today. We lacked the maturity to not go down to 10 men in the first place (and Benteke was always going to be sent off the minute he touched his face, although Mason should have gone too), and we then - and this is the entirely predictable bit - lacked the brains and the nous to see out what remained of the game.
The whole argument re us being unlucky is highly iffy. Yes, we were unlucky Mason didn't get sent off as well, but in a match against truly feeble opposition - having a bad day even by their own feeble standards - we conspired to lose for the sixth time on the bounce.
Lambert will say we were hard done by, and on Mason not getting sent off, we were, but it was the same old shit otherwise, awful opposition who had 62% possession against us, we manage 1 shot on target all match, yet still find ourselves needing to hold out for a short while, and STILL lose.
It'd be more acceptable if it was a one-off result, but that is six matches in a row now. It is so far off acceptable, it is untrue, yet we're trapped with this manager who just goes on and on showing he isn't up to the job.
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I thought the referee and his so-called assistant on the Trinity Road touchline were shocking.
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Spurs were the worst side I've seen us play this season, easily.
They did not deserve to win by any stretch of the imagination.
They did, though. We had, what, another six or seven minutes to usher out for the three points. We are just so fucking feeble, disorganised, unconfident.
We were unlucky as well today, yes, but this is a six match run of defeats. What about the other five?
This is the thing, Spurs were woeful and we still lost. Not good enough and yet another cataclysmic run of defeats under Lambert.
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So, after Burnley, we've got the equal worst goal difference in the division with QPR.
And next up two games against the two form teams of the Premier League. It could very well be 8 losses in a row. What is our record for most losses in a row?
That would be 11.
When was that out of interest? Surely even Lambert can't be THAT dismal?
62/63. Here is the run we had then
23.03-A Fulham 0-1
29.03-A Blackpool 0-4
01.04-H Everton 0-2
06.04-A Burnley 1-3
09.04-H Manchester U 1-2
13.04-H Sheffield W 0-2
15.04-A Wolves 1-3
16.04-H Wolves 0-2
20.04-A Bolton 1-4
01.05-A Sheffield U 1-2
04.05-H Nottingham 0-2
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Referee was awful today - Bentekes sending off was a direct result of the Ref losing control of the game after failing to send off Vertonghen for his 2 footed lunge on Westwood.
You know it's a bad challenge when all the players react - to give him just a yellow was a disgrace .
The big fella didn't help himself by pushing the Spurs player in the face - but his face was put in Bentekes face first - that was the initial movement .
Taking off nzogbia and putting on Gabby was a huge mistake - their first goal came from Gabby not reacting to a loose ball on the edge of our area - and then watch gabbys 'marking' at the resulting corner - tosser
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I'm too aggravated by the bullshit bottle out referee to give any thought to our failings. The yellow card for Vertonghen seemed to give Spurs the signal that they could get away with murder and they did. God I hate them.
Me too, I absolutely loathe Spurs.
And their stupid wanky slow song. Behind the obvious few suspects Spurs are right up there in my "Bunch of Wankers" league.
It is by a long, long way, the biggest c***s trick of a song known to man.
remember that awful anthem of Coventry's? There'd be an audible groan from the Holte when that dog of a song started cranking up
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I thought we played some reasonable stuff, at least by this season's standards and certainly I felt we were the better team overall. Benteke allowed himself to be provoked, which was just bloody stupid, unnecessary and very, very annoying especially as he'd shown some form. I'm not sure what to say about Sanchez. He was a liability with his reckless tackling, so what happened in the end was not any sort of surprise. Piss poor refereeing as well.
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I haven't been on here in recent weeks, certainly not with regard to the football, but after this last week surely Lerner has to squeeze the trigger? Ok we were probably a little unlucky today; but six defeats on the spin in not unlucky. It speaks of a malaise that borders on ineptitude. This is no longer the same old week-in, week-out: it's now the same old season-in, season out. If there isn't a new owner just over the horizon, then at least let's have a new approach down at Bodymoor Heath and in the dugout on match days. It's not defeats that are currently killing the Villa, it's the lack of any hope that things are going to get better.
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Tom Ross thinks Lambo is rock solid no matter how bad we get.
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I'm fucking livid. It's bad enough being a Villa fan without the fucking referees conspiring against us.
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I am no supporter of Lambert but today was not his fault, he changed the system with NZog through the middle and a free role. We were 1 up deservedly although Spurs had created more chances. But the ref lost control of the game and Benteke reacted.
There is an obvious lack of leadership on and off the pitch. We should have had enough to see that game out.
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I have a horrible feeling we've blown our chance of making the Champions League this season.
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Just back and still completely incandescent with rage at that cheating cockney ref. Benteke had to go, but Mason had to go too, as well as Soldado (?) for running 20 yards to shove Benteke. I couldn't believe it when no Spurs player got a red. And Cissokho only got his yellow after Eriksen spent about half an hour persuading the ref to book him - he'd shown no indication of giving anything more than a free kick until Eriksen's intervention. And don't even start me on how Vertonghen didn't get sent off. Overall we deserved at least a point until Benteke's stupidity - which could cost us dear in the next 3 games.
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I have a horrible feeling we've blown our chance of making the Champions League this season.
Hey ho, but closer to the Championship Division.
What a stupid name for a league anyway.
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You must admit we are great at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory..!!!
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He's just been on sky and said we were excellent.
I thought it was the best we've played so far this season. We didn't deserve to lose it anyway but it's another defeat albeit a slightly undeserved one. I'm not sure why the players couldn't have done that at QPR on Monday and maybe they have to shoulder some of the blame as well.
As for Benteke, I didn't really see it what with being upstairs in the Holte End but the ref lost the game when he failed to send the player off for the two footed tackle. After that, he was woeful.
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Taken in isolation, it wasn't too bad today although it was still a little disjointed. Guzan made some good saves, Lowton looked decent going forward (not so good defending at times - he's made for the wing back position), Baker and Cissokho defended well though were poor in possession, the midfield was OK and Benteke looked somewhat close to his best. If he had stayed on, I think we would have probably seen that out.
Having seen the replay of the goal, both Gabby and Weimann let Chadli past them for their equaliser. To be honest, they are the last pair I would want picking people up off set pieces.
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Have to say aswell everyone creaming over Harry Keane or whatever he's scored....
9 goals fair enough but most of them have come against europa league pub teams and in the carling cup. No doubt he'll be in the England squad soon but predictable hype for someone english from Spurs or one of those clubs coming through.
Don't think he's much better than Weimann in all honesty.
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Reading the match reports, everyone thinks we were hard done by, that the red was harsh and that we were the better team until it happened. Even if the red was warranted, Lambert set up the team in a way which paid off, and he can hardly be blamed for our best player being silly. I think we need to be honest with ourselves - I don't particularly want Lambert as Villa manager, but he was unlucky today.
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I have a horrible feeling we've blown our chance of making the Champions League this season.
I have a horrible feeling we've blown our chance of making 20 points this season.
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Two seasons in a row Vertonghen has not been given a deserved straight red at Villa Park now.
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Reading the match reports, everyone thinks we were hard done by, that the red was harsh and that we were the better team until it happened. Even if the red was warranted, Lambert set up the team in a way which paid off, and he can hardly be blamed for our best player being silly. I think we need to be honest with ourselves - I don't particularly want Lambert as Villa manager, but he was unlucky today.
He was, but today was the least we should expect, a coherent team playing with purpose.
Show that in the next 4 games or so and he'll start to get me back. I won't hold my breath though.
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Reading the match reports, everyone thinks we were hard done by, that the red was harsh and that we were the better team until it happened. Even if the red was warranted, Lambert set up the team in a way which paid off, and he can hardly be blamed for our best player being silly. I think we need to be honest with ourselves - I don't particularly want Lambert as Villa manager, but he was unlucky today.
Maybe so Monty, but we still reverted to type after we scored and seemed happy to sit back rather than continue to get at Spurs. There's just a total lack of ambition running through the club.
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Reading the match reports, everyone thinks we were hard done by, that the red was harsh and that we were the better team until it happened. Even if the red was warranted, Lambert set up the team in a way which paid off, and he can hardly be blamed for our best player being silly. I think we need to be honest with ourselves - I don't particularly want Lambert as Villa manager, but he was unlucky today.
A third of the possession and 1 shot on target at home.
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Could have, would have, should have!
Big improvement in commitment but fuck me we're worlds apart from so many teams in that league in terms of passing and thinking, time after time there was an obvious ball to be played that wasn't.
There's something about being so shit that brings people together, West Ham was the turning point with Houllier a couple of years ago, we've almost sold out, I suggest we just try and get drunk and enjoy ourselves.
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It wasn't a red card.
It was by the laws of the game
Link?
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Reading the match reports, everyone thinks we were hard done by, that the red was harsh and that we were the better team until it happened. Even if the red was warranted, Lambert set up the team in a way which paid off, and he can hardly be blamed for our best player being silly. I think we need to be honest with ourselves - I don't particularly want Lambert as Villa manager, but he was unlucky today.
He was, but today was the least we should expect, a coherent team playing with purpose.
Show that in the next 4 games or so and he'll start to get me back. I won't hold my breath though.
I don't think we were particularly coherent and still looked disjointed on the whole. The change today was that Benteke was back somewhere close to his best form and that makes such a difference.
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Apparently 13 games we've failed to beat spurs. what's our record number of top flight consecutive defeats?
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Reading the match reports, everyone thinks we were hard done by, that the red was harsh and that we were the better team until it happened. Even if the red was warranted, Lambert set up the team in a way which paid off, and he can hardly be blamed for our best player being silly. I think we need to be honest with ourselves - I don't particularly want Lambert as Villa manager, but he was unlucky today.
Maybe so Monty, but we still reverted to type after we scored and seemed happy to sit back rather than continue to get at Spurs. There's just a total lack of ambition running through the club.
I really disagree with that. Sure, Spurs came back into it, they're a good team in desperate form, and we're in bad form as well and best at counterattacking, so there was nothing odd in that pattern asserting itself. Besides, we created quite a few opportunities between the goal and the red card. It was the sending off which turned the game, particularly as it was our best player getting ejected. That's the only valid analysis of the game, I think.
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I hope that snidey little twat from Spuds enjoys telling his colleagues at Southend in a couple of years how he once got Benteke sent off.
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Reading the match reports, everyone thinks we were hard done by, that the red was harsh and that we were the better team until it happened. Even if the red was warranted, Lambert set up the team in a way which paid off, and he can hardly be blamed for our best player being silly. I think we need to be honest with ourselves - I don't particularly want Lambert as Villa manager, but he was unlucky today.
He was, but today was the least we should expect, a coherent team playing with purpose.
Show that in the next 4 games or so and he'll start to get me back. I won't hold my breath though.
Bang on. Committed, high tempo and joined-up? That really isn't cause for celebration (I'm sure Monty isn't by the way) at home against a mediocre side. Let's not have any of this top-6 nonsense: Spurs are massively average this time out.
Villa needed a win today and lost again. So, that the performance wasn't abject is of small comfort. A win, followed by 3 or 4 convincing performances is the bare minimum I need to see to give me any confidence Paul Lambert won't get us relegated.
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We were unlucky but at the end of the day it's another defeat and we still get no points. Incredibly we could well be "good" enough to stay up but one thing that is clear after the initial burst of optimism this season is that it's going to be endless weeks of mainly fucking dross. Again.
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Only read a few comments and have to say while Benteke was an idiot, that little cockernee shit should have gone as well, even then it would have been a result for them as Benteke was causing them huge problems. I thought we played some decent football, would still have Cleverley in the centre as he is creative, thought he did an excellent job today. Fucking fuming tbh as we had that game in the bag and honestly only saw us scoring again. As for the manager, I thought his post match comments were bang on, unlike the Spud manager who was like the ref and 4th official who didnt see the initital incident. Fucking disgraceful refereeing
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It wasn't a red card.
It was by the laws of the game
Link?
Striking a player in the face is an automatic sending off offence
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It wasn't a red card.
It was by the laws of the game
Link?
I've seen it back now and considering the ref didn't even book the Spurs player just proves how much of it he actually saw, in which case a yellow card apiece would have been probably the best course of action.
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It wasn't a red card.
It was by the laws of the game
Link?
I've seen it back now and considering the ref didn't even book the Spurs player just proves how much of it he actually saw, in which case a yellow card apiece would have been probably the best course of action.
https://vine.co/v/OOXPU5umvmM
That's two red cards, I reckon.
Benteke was a fucking idiot. You can't touch someone's face like that and expect to not get sent off. The problem is, you also can't stick your head in someone's face like that and not get sent off, but that is what happened to Mason.
It doesn't excuse or explain our failure to even hang on for a point, but they both deserved red, if you ask me.
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It wasn't a red card.
It was by the laws of the game
Link?
Striking a player in the face is an automatic sending off offence
Can you point me to it?
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It wasn't a red card.
It was by the laws of the game
Link?
Striking a player in the face is an automatic sending off offence
Can you point me to it?
See above.
It was a red.
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It wasn't a red card.
It was by the laws of the game
Link?
Striking a player in the face is an automatic sending off offence
That's the interpretation.
The seven things that a player can be sent off for are:
• serious foul play
• violent conduct
• spitting at an opponent or any other person
• denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity
by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within
his own penalty area)
• denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving
towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a
penalty kick
• using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
• receiving a second caution in the same match
He'll be charged with violent conduct.
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I accept the Benteke red. It's soft but it's the sort of thing players do get sent off for if the ref sees it.
The rules are a bit fcuked up though I have to say when something like that is a red card offence and the Vertonghen tackle is deemed a yellow card offence.
Which one of those can cause serious injury again?
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We should have won that game and were going to do so until the sending off.
Spurs were very poor throughout in my opinion and looked pretty clueless second half. I said they'd bring Lamella on, but he did nothing and Benteke continued to give Kaboul nightmares. We created good chances in the first half with Lowton's crossing being largely good.
Other positives included N'Zogbia getting close to Benteke and also using the ball well too. He put in some decent crosses and I thought he was our man of the match. Andi too actually got close to Benteke.
Lowton worried me defensively with some weak clearances, as did Vlaar, who made a few poor decisions, Adebeyor's chance being one. But beyond that, we were the better side and right up until Benteke walked.
I thought Vertongen was lucky to stay on and I would like to see it again. The referee should have blown for a foul on Lamella from Benteke, but he was weak and didn't. He then gets sent off for Mason trying to headbut him. Benteke shouldn't raise his hands, but Mason, Spurs best player, should have walked too.
It changed the game. We lost Kane at a corner previously and losing Benteke as one of the zonal markers had a direct effect, as it was Agbonlahor who lost Chadli. Of course, 10 v 10 and I still think we would have won.
The winner, when it rains it pours.
I was scathing after QPR and Everton, but we created plenty of chances today and it's officials who have changed the game against us.
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It wasn't a red card.
It was by the laws of the game
Link?
Striking a player in the face is an automatic sending off offence
That's the interpretation.
The seven things that a player can be sent off for are:
• serious foul play
• violent conduct
• spitting at an opponent or any other person
• denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity
by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within
his own penalty area)
• denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving
towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a
penalty kick
• using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
• receiving a second caution in the same match
He'll be charged with violent conduct.
Thank you Dave, that's what I understood. The whole "he's put his hands up, he's got to go" is just a supposition imposed by shite commentators repeating each other endlessly whilst not having a fucking clue about the actual rules.
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It was the 4th official mouthing at the ref that it was a red card, but obviously he ignored the face into the head, wanker
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We should have won that game and were going to do so until the sending off.
Spurs were very poor throughout in my opinion and looked pretty clueless second half. I said they'd bring Lamella on, but he did nothing and Benteke continued to give Kaboul nightmares. We created good chances in the first half with Lowton's crossing being largely good.
Other positives included N'Zogbia getting close to Benteke and also using the ball well too. He put in some decent crosses and I thought he was our man of the match. Andi too actually got close to Benteke.
Lowton worried me defensively with some weak clearances, as did Vlaar, who made a few poor decisions, Adebeyor's chance being one. But beyond that, we were the better side and right up until Benteke walked.
I thought Vertongen was lucky to stay on and I would like to see it again. The referee should have blown for a foul on Lamella from Benteke, but he was weak and didn't. He then gets sent off for Mason trying to headbut him. Benteke shouldn't raise his hands, but Mason, Spurs best player, should have walked too.
It changed the game. We lost Kane at a corner previously and losing Benteke as one of the zonal markers had a direct effect, as it was Agbonlahor who lost Chadli. Of course, 10 v 10 and I still think we would have won.
The winner, when it rains it pours.
I was scathing after QPR and Everton, but we created plenty of chances today and it's officials who have changed the game against us.
Despite all that, we managed one shot on target.
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Think that is a little harsh pauliewalnuts. We did play well today IMO, though the defence looked dodgy at times (Baker apart). The red card changed the game
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When you lose games as lamely as we do, losing them narrowly and unjustly doesn't make it any better
This.
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Bemoaning a plucky defeat at the hands of the referee. Oh my God, we're turning into West Bromwich Albion!
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I hate putting defeats down to bad luck, but the way Villa attract misfortune these days, I honestly do wonder if it's worth getting an exorcist in.
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Think that is a little harsh pauliewalnuts. We did play well today IMO, though the defence looked dodgy at times (Baker apart). The red card changed the game
One shot on target again.
It's the same thing over and over again. Something has got to change, because we're just circling the plug hole waiting to go down at the moment.
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Regardless of the improved performance it's meaningless.When have we ever built on good performances/ results under Lambert? He really needs to go
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Think that is a little harsh pauliewalnuts. We did play well today IMO, though the defence looked dodgy at times (Baker apart). The red card changed the game
One shot on target again.
It's the same thing over and over again. Something has got to change, because we're just circling the plug hole waiting to go down at the moment.
I actually thought some of the football was decent today
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The clubs worse run for 46 years!
Let's not let a red card detract from the real problems at the club.
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It wasn't a red card.
It was by the laws of the game
Link?
Striking a player in the face is an automatic sending off offence
That's the interpretation.
The seven things that a player can be sent off for are:
• serious foul play
• violent conduct
• spitting at an opponent or any other person
• denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity
by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within
his own penalty area)
• denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving
towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a
penalty kick
• using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
• receiving a second caution in the same match
He'll be charged with violent conduct.
Thank you Dave, that's what I understood. The whole "he's put his hands up, he's got to go" is just a supposition imposed by shite commentators repeating each other endlessly whilst not having a fucking clue about the actual rules.
This is my point. This raising your hand is an automatic red just exists inside Jamie Redknapp's head. He's either too thick or to lazy to properly understand the rules.
If a small slap is violent conduct so is head to face, 2 footed lunge and persistent shoving. Didn't hear that mentioned though.
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I hate putting defeats down to bad luck, but the way Villa attract misfortune these days, I honestly do wonder if it's worth getting an exorcist in.
We aren't Small Heath with their gypsy curse
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Think that is a little harsh pauliewalnuts. We did play well today IMO, though the defence looked dodgy at times (Baker apart). The red card changed the game
One shot on target again.
It's the same thing over and over again. Something has got to change, because we're just circling the plug hole waiting to go down at the moment.
I actually thought some of the football was decent today
It was on Monday, too, but ultimately, it doesn't matter, because we took zero points from those two matches.
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It was the 4th official mouthing at the ref that it was a red card, but obviously he ignored the face into the head, wanker
I didn't think the 4th official was allowed to have any impact on the game, just the referee and his two assistants. I stand corrected though.
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Well we lost again. We gave away too many corners and too many free kicks and our defending was suspect yet again.
Spurs were one of the poorest teams I've seen this season yet they still go away with 3 points in their pocket. Sorry but it's just not acceptable to the fans, but sadly it seems acceptable to our disgrace of a chairman.
Lambert/Lerner out!
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With ten minutes left I actually thought we would hang on and that Spurs didn't really look like scoring. It's a cruel game, that's for sure. The high floated corner for the equaliser, was there a chance Guzan could have come for it? I was in lower Holte so hard to judge. I thought Sanchez played well but you can see he is always likely to give free kicks away in dangerous areas. So jammy with the big deflection though.
So today we were genuinely unlucky but that doesn't hide the fact that it is six on the bounce. In recent times West Ham and Newcastle have had awful runs putting their managers under pressure but both improved. I still can't see us improving enough to stay up. Anticipating we lose again next week then he will be gone.
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Things just aren't going our way, from the so called random fixture list that gives us the top 6 teams in 7 games, I've never known any team get drawn that run of games.
Couple this with a succession of injury's to key players.
At times we don't help ourselves, the QPR performance was inexcusable.
We can't be critical of the team today but with the team down to 10 men & fighting to hang on to a lead Gabby switching off at the corner is criminal.
The real cost is losing Benteke for the next 3 games.
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It was the 4th official mouthing at the ref that it was a red card, but obviously he ignored the face into the head, wanker
I didn't think the 4th official was allowed to have any impact on the game, just the referee and his two assistants. I stand corrected though.
I said exactly the same thing to my lad Clampy and said the Zidane thing, but he suggests things have changed. Sky showed the 4th official openly shouting it, wanker (not you lol)
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Benteke another month or so on would have scored a hat trick today. Infuriating to lose him again and get nothing out of a game we were very comfortable in and well on course to winning, with Mason apparently invisible to the 4th official.
Benteke was rightly furious with missing that free header when he found himself inbetween Vertongen and Kaboul, while he had that header where Loris was completely caught out that went a whisker wide and of course he smashed the post.
We actually looked like scoring today and were the better side. Spurs huffed and puffed, but bar one Vlaar error didn't create anything from open play. Bloody officials!
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Think that is a little harsh pauliewalnuts. We did play well today IMO, though the defence looked dodgy at times (Baker apart). The red card changed the game
One shot on target again.
It's the same thing over and over again. Something has got to change, because we're just circling the plug hole waiting to go down at the moment.
I actually thought some of the football was decent today
It was on Monday, too, but ultimately, it doesn't matter, because we took zero points from those two matches.
That's what's annoying - when you're in the results business, all the bellyaching in the world won't get you a single point. I had a Bitter giving it some after I posted on Facebook and I wanted to respond about them only being able to beat Leicester because of a flukey own goal, but they got three points from their game, and we didn't.
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With ten minutes left I actually thought we would hang on and that Spurs didn't really look like scoring. It's a cruel game, that's for sure. The high floated corner for the equaliser, was there a chance Guzan could have come for it? I was in lower Holte so hard to judge. I thought Sanchez played well but you can see he is always likely to give free kicks away in dangerous areas. So jammy with the big deflection though.
So today we were genuinely unlucky but that doesn't hide the fact that it is six on the bounce. In recent times West Ham and Newcastle have had awful runs putting their managers under pressure but both improved. I still can't see us improving enough to stay up. Anticipating we lose again next week then he will be gone.
Unlike those two clubs it isnt just the last 6 games. Its over two years
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Things just aren't going our way, from the so called random fixture list that gives us the top 6 teams in 7 games, I've never known any team get drawn that run of games.
Couple this with a succession of injury's to key players.
At times we don't help ourselves, the QPR performance was inexcusable.
We can't be critical of the team today but with the team down to 10 men & fighting to hang on to a lead Gabby switching off at the corner is criminal.
The real cost is losing Benteke for the next 3 games.
Please stop this top 6 fixture nonsense
Other teams still manage to compete against the top 6. We just plain give up and accept defeat
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It wasn't a red card.
It was by the laws of the game
Link?
Striking a player in the face is an automatic sending off offence
That's the interpretation.
The seven things that a player can be sent off for are:
• serious foul play
• violent conduct
• spitting at an opponent or any other person
• denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity
by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within
his own penalty area)
• denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving
towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a
penalty kick
• using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
• receiving a second caution in the same match
He'll be charged with violent conduct.
Thank you Dave, that's what I understood. The whole "he's put his hands up, he's got to go" is just a supposition imposed by shite commentators repeating each other endlessly whilst not having a fucking clue about the actual rules.
This is my point. This raising your hand is an automatic red just exists inside Jamie Redknapp's head. He's either too thick or to lazy to properly understand the rules.
If a small slap is violent conduct so is head to face, 2 footed lunge and persistent shoving. Didn't hear that mentioned though.
Innit *nods sagely*
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Think that is a little harsh pauliewalnuts. We did play well today IMO, though the defence looked dodgy at times (Baker apart). The red card changed the game
One shot on target again.
It's the same thing over and over again. Something has got to change, because we're just circling the plug hole waiting to go down at the moment.
I actually thought some of the football was decent today
It was on Monday, too, but ultimately, it doesn't matter, because we took zero points from those two matches.
Yes - the fact doesn't change.
Some of the football at the end of BFRs reign was good in patches. Too much of it wasn't
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I don't get the 'we played well - we were unlucky argument'. Spuds missed 3 + ? excellent chances 1st half. We didn't create anything bar the goal (although Benteke was unlucky with the shot that hit the bar). Two very poor teams today. I would hate to count the amount of sheer just simple mistakes by both sets of players. Sanchez in particular was truly abysmal - he must have 20 misplaced passes / missed tackles, basic f**k ups. The midfield is simply sh**te and if you cant defend, create or score you are doomed. Gonna have a sore head in the morning.
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With ten minutes left I actually thought we would hang on and that Spurs didn't really look like scoring. It's a cruel game, that's for sure. The high floated corner for the equaliser, was there a chance Guzan could have come for it? I was in lower Holte so hard to judge. I thought Sanchez played well but you can see he is always likely to give free kicks away in dangerous areas. So jammy with the big deflection though.
So today we were genuinely unlucky but that doesn't hide the fact that it is six on the bounce. In recent times West Ham and Newcastle have had awful runs putting their managers under pressure but both improved. I still can't see us improving enough to stay up. Anticipating we lose again next week then he will be gone.
Think it would take something more like 10 defeats on the bounce, and even then I'm not sure he'd be made to walk the plank.
As it is, I reckon we'll probably scratch out a draw in either the Southampton or Wham games and that will be hailed as the end of our bad run. Lerner was overjoyed with our majestic result against Soton in the corresponding fixture last year. Just imagine his joy if we could repeat that feat.
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I don't get the 'we played well - we were unlucky argument'. Spuds missed 3 + ? excellent chances 1st half. We didn't create anything bar the goal (although Benteke was unlucky with the shot that hit the bar). Two very poor teams today. I would hate to count the amount of sheer just simple mistakes by both sets of players. Sanchez in particular was truly abysmal - he must have 20 misplaced passes / missed tackles, basic f**k ups. The midfield is simply sh**te and if you cant defend, create or score you are doomed. Gonna have a sore head in the morning.
You must have been drunk if you thought Sanchez was 'truly abysmal'.
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Truly abysmal he was. Watch the game.
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Truly abysmal he was. Watch the game.
I did, i was there.
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I don't get the 'we played well - we were unlucky argument'. Spuds missed 3 + ? excellent chances 1st half. We didn't create anything bar the goal (although Benteke was unlucky with the shot that hit the bar). Two very poor teams today. I would hate to count the amount of sheer just simple mistakes by both sets of players. Sanchez in particular was truly abysmal - he must have 20 misplaced passes / missed tackles, basic f**k ups. The midfield is simply sh**te and if you cant defend, create or score you are doomed. Gonna have a sore head in the morning.
You must have been drunk if you thought Sanchez was 'truly abysmal'.
He looked good at times but he gave the ball away too much and the free kick he gave away for the goal was an absolute sickener. He's got a lot to learn.
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So was I. Mistake after mistake after mistake.
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Sanchez played well for an hour and ran out of steam.
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So was I. Mistake after mistake after mistake.
If you insist.
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Truly abysmal he was.
Are you channelling the spirit of Yoda?
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Mason got exactly what they wanted as they couldn't cope with him. Get him to react and off the pitch and the prat fell for it.
Wanker Mason committed two offences before Benteke had a go at him. It was extreme provocation and the Ref, his ass and the the 4th official did not see Mason first barge into Christian, off the ball, than aimed to dummy headbut him. Both of those required intervention that would have avoided the retaliation.
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So was I. Mistake after mistake after mistake.
If you insist.
He lost the ball loads of times.
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Things just aren't going our way, from the so called random fixture list that gives us the top 6 teams in 7 games, I've never known any team get drawn that run of games.
Couple this with a succession of injury's to key players.
At times we don't help ourselves, the QPR performance was inexcusable.
We can't be critical of the team today but with the team down to 10 men & fighting to hang on to a lead Gabby switching off at the corner is criminal.
The real cost is losing Benteke for the next 3 games.
Please stop this top 6 fixture nonsense
Other teams still manage to compete against the top 6. We just plain give up and accept defeat
Last season we beat Arsenal, Chelsea & Man City.
This season we get to play them all in succession, no one else gets that kind of random 'luck'.
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He looked good at times but he gave the ball away too much and the free kick he gave away for the goal was an absolute sickener. He's got a lot to learn.
Yep, spot on
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So was I. Mistake after mistake after mistake.
If you insist.
He lost the ball loads of times.
I thought he had a decent game and he looks like he could be a good player for us when he properly settles.
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I though Sanchez looked alright.
Which has basically been the problem with our central midfield - they're all 'alright'.
Westwood, Sylla, El-Ahmadi, Richardson, Gardner - apart from Delph, sub one in for another and it'll probably be about the same. Nobody really doing anything apart from just being 'alright'.
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Truly abysmal he was. Watch the game.
I did, i was there.
Sanchez was no where near abysmal. He was very effective for about an hour but got tired and should have been subbed. His tiredness resulted in two free kicks near the end and they scored from one. This was the fault of people on the touchline.
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I though Sanchez looked alright.
Which has basically been the problem with our central midfield - they're all 'alright'.
Westwood, Sylla, El-Ahmadi, Richardson, Gardner - apart from Delph, sub one in for another and it'll probably be about the same. Nobody really doing anything apart from just being 'alright'.
Yep Milner, Barry, Merson and Taylor have been a cut above the rest in the last 15 years. Lots of mediocrity in that time
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While I think we set better, I still don't think we should be shoehorning Cleverley wide, play him central and get Grealish out there.
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Truly abysmal he was. Watch the game.
I did, i was there.
Sanchez was no where near abysmal. He was very effective for about an hour but got tired and should have been subbed. His tiredness resulted in two free kicks near the end and they scored from one. This was the fault of people on the touchline.
I wonder if he would have been subbed had we not been down to ten men. I'm not sure if there was another center midfielder on the bench. No, he wasn't abysmal and he didn't give the ball away again and again either. He did ok for me.
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I though Sanchez looked alright.
Which has basically been the problem with our central midfield - they're all 'alright'.
Westwood, Sylla, El-Ahmadi, Richardson, Gardner - apart from Delph, sub one in for another and it'll probably be about the same. Nobody really doing anything apart from just being 'alright'.
Nobody who can make a decent killer pass. Someone like Bannan.
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While I think we set better, I still don't think we should be shoehorning Cleverley wide, play him central and get Grealish out there.
Cleverly and Westwood were practically holding hands some of the game.
Better to start with Richardson and bring Westwood on after an hour to replace Sanchez
I thought Baker played well. And Weimann had a good game. CNZ was ok until he too got tired.
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I though Sanchez looked alright.
Which has basically been the problem with our central midfield - they're all 'alright'.
Westwood, Sylla, El-Ahmadi, Richardson, Gardner - apart from Delph, sub one in for another and it'll probably be about the same. Nobody really doing anything apart from just being 'alright'.
Nobody who can make a decent killer pass. Someone like Bannan.
Or Stephen Ireland
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Truly abysmal he was. Watch the game.
I did, i was there.
Sanchez was no where near abysmal. He was very effective for about an hour but got tired and should have been subbed. His tiredness resulted in two free kicks near the end and they scored from one. This was the fault of people on the touchline.
I wonder if he would have been subbed had we not been down to ten men. I'm not sure if there was another center midfielder on the bench. No, he wasn't abysmal and he didn't give the ball away again and again either. He did ok for me.
I agree Clampy. Given time I think he will join our short list of good players. At which point he will no doubt become injury prone.
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Thanks Christian.
Yes he was foolish. But Mason should have gone as well for sticking his head in Bentekes face. Also what about Soldado then continually pushing Benteke after the incident.
No consistency from the ref
Agree, Rudy.
If Benteke had to go then so should Mason for putting his head in CB's face.
The ref and forth official bottled it.
I was also of the opinion that:
a) raised arm in the face is a red. Ref ignored it.
b) two footed challenge, even if it misses, is a red. Ref gave a yellow!!
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While I think we set better, I still don't think we should be shoehorning Cleverley wide, play him central and get Grealish out there.
Totally agree
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While I think we set better, I still don't think we should be shoehorning Cleverley wide, play him central and get Grealish out there.
Totally agree
Grealish wide is wasted. He should be playing behind the front man.
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The problem is that people are so fed up of the general shitness of the last two and a bit seasons that even saying we were unlucky because of a sending off is starting to sound hollow. And it isn't helped when the manager describes a very average performance against very average opposition as excellent.
If he thinks we are playing well then I'm afraid we really are heading for the drop. You usually find that with managers who are under pressure suddenly encounter;
Lots of injuries that as soon as the manager moves on miraculously clear up.
Ill discipline within the side.
Players looking scared to be on the ball which again seems to come right as soon as the manager leaves.
Increasingly poor excuses for losing games also manifest themselves.
Leaving aside today the question we need to ask is 'does anybody seriously think he is capable of turning this around?' I have severe doubts. He's looking and sounding increasingly like a beaten man and Keane has already become the side show everyone expected with Strangely zero passion on the sidelines.
Sometimes the only way forward is to simply make a change - if nothing else to try and give us a honeymoon period to somehow get us to 35 points this season. Another 8 wins and a draw feck me.
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The naivety of Lambert after the Red was unbelievable. Why sick with essentially the same formation you started the game with? Experienced and good managers would at that point shut up shop. We didn't need a goal we needed to make sure we didn't concede; choke the midfield, form two solid banks of 5 and make them launch hopeful balls into the box.
10 minutes to hold on to a lead, naive is being kind.
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When you look at the footage, Mason is extremely aggressive to Benteke and Benteke is trying to shove him away. Are we really saying that just 'raising your hands', even as an apparently defensive act, is worse than aggression and headbutting? That seems completely arbitrary. We might as well as which one of them is wearing shinier boots.
I'm not a violence-loving person, as a rule. But, I have to say, watching that incident, I'd enjoy seeing that scrawny tit Mason go at Benteke without the protection of team-mates and a referee. Then we'd see how brave he is.
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The problem is that people are so fed up of the general shitness of the last two and a bit seasons that even saying we were unlucky because of a sending off is starting to sound hollow. And it isn't helped when the manager describes a very average performance against very average opposition as excellent.
If he thinks we are playing well then I'm afraid we really are heading for the drop. You usually find that with managers who are under pressure suddenly encounter;
Lots of injuries that as soon as the manager moves on miraculously clear up.
Ill discipline within the side.
Players looking scared to be on the ball which again seems to come right as soon as the manager leaves.
Increasingly poor excuses for losing games also manifest themselves.
Leaving aside today the question we need to ask is 'does anybody seriously think he is capable of turning this around?' I have severe doubts. He's looking and sounding increasingly like a beaten man and Keane has already become the side show everyone expected with Strangely zero passion on the sidelines.
Sometimes the only way forward is to simply make a change - if nothing else to try and give us a honeymoon period to somehow get us to 35 points this season. Another 8 wins and a draw feck me.
Hard to argue with that.
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Gave it a good go this evening. Spirit was a lot better and we finally had players supporting Benteke. Lambert to be fair was rewarded in his decision to start Nzogbia and Weimann with both being involved in the goal. However we looked in trouble I thought even before Benteke's moment of madness. Thought Rico and Gabby should have been a lot earlier when any number of our players were blowing out their holes from about the 60-70 min mark. The Spurs substitute trio in comparison improved them hugely
For the majority of the game though it was two very poor sides. Cissokho seemed on a one man mission to break the all time Villa misplaced pass record, Lowton's efforts to play Adebayor offside in the first half were pub football esque, very little again from Cleverley and Nathan Baker hoofing everything in sight. For all our huff and puff, Guzan was our best player. Our team is bereft of genuine quality and that is the reason we are staring into the barrel of another relegation fight.
Guzan 9, Lowton 4, Vlaar 6, Baker 5, Cissokho 4, Westwood 6, Sanchez 6, Cleverley 5, Nzogbia 6, Benteke 4, Weimann 6. Gabby 5, Rico 5
Spot on
Seconded. The only point to add was at half time I was convinced Benteke would score in the second half having twice gone very close in the first half. We never came close with our second half performance. A point would have been a fair result for two poor teams but we're Lambert's Aston Villa - forever giving and all so predictable.
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Not good enough. We lost through our own ability to self destruct. Spurs deserved to win IMO
Rubbish
Ditto - worst Spurs performance for years - Benteke was set up - Spuds had to resort to desperate tactics and do what QPR did and kick their way out of trouble.
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While I think we set better, I still don't think we should be shoehorning Cleverley wide, play him central and get Grealish out there.
Totally agree
Grealish wide is wasted. He should be playing behind the front man.
Getting the fucker on the pitch would be a start.
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While I think we set better, I still don't think we should be shoehorning Cleverley wide, play him central and get Grealish out there.
Cleverly and Westwood were practically holding hands some of the game.
Better to start with Richardson and bring Westwood on after an hour to replace Sanchez
I thought Baker played well. And Weimann had a good game. CNZ was ok until he too got tired.
CNZ tired? Youre having a laugh, he doesn't do enough to get tired!
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While I think we set better, I still don't think we should be shoehorning Cleverley wide, play him central and get Grealish out there.
Totally agree
Grealish wide is wasted. He should be playing behind the front man.
Agree.
The trouble is now Cleverley is here, Jacks opportunities are very limited
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It's the sense of inevitability about the whole thing that shows just how poor we are, when their second goal went in I didn't even feel angry.
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Both the Gaurdian and Independent describe CB's intervention as a 'slap to Mason's face' - not sure it was even that forceful.
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Very frustrating and gifting those obnoxious wankers the cause for celebrations akin to winning the treble and having the 'pleasure' of walking out the ground amongst them made it far worse.
For all Lambert's failings before and during this game it WAS the officials total incompetence and bias towards those annoying cheating twats epitomised by that little shit Mason that gave the points to them.Fuming .
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Gave it a good go this evening. Spirit was a lot better and we finally had players supporting Benteke. Lambert to be fair was rewarded in his decision to start Nzogbia and Weimann with both being involved in the goal. However we looked in trouble I thought even before Benteke's moment of madness. Thought Rico and Gabby should have been a lot earlier when any number of our players were blowing out their holes from about the 60-70 min mark. The Spurs substitute trio in comparison improved them hugely
For the majority of the game though it was two very poor sides. Cissokho seemed on a one man mission to break the all time Villa misplaced pass record, Lowton's efforts to play Adebayor offside in the first half were pub football esque, very little again from Cleverley and Nathan Baker hoofing everything in sight. For all our huff and puff, Guzan was our best player. Our team is bereft of genuine quality and that is the reason we are staring into the barrel of another relegation fight.
Guzan 9, Lowton 4, Vlaar 6, Baker 5, Cissokho 4, Westwood 6, Sanchez 6, Cleverley 5, Nzogbia 6, Benteke 4, Weimann 6. Gabby 5, Rico 5
Spot on
Seconded. The only point to add was at half time I was convinced Benteke would score in the second half having twice gone very close in the first half. We never came close with our second half performance. A point would have been a fair result for two poor teams but we're Lambert's Aston Villa - forever giving and all so predictable.
I am amazed at some of those marks tbh, Guzan made one great save but then dropped a shot at Adebayors feet, 9 mmm. Hpwever my main gripe is Baker getting a 5 and Vlaar a 6. There was one leader in the centre of defence and it was Baker IMHO
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Reading the match reports, everyone thinks we were hard done by, that the red was harsh and that we were the better team until it happened. Even if the red was warranted, Lambert set up the team in a way which paid off, and he can hardly be blamed for our best player being silly. I think we need to be honest with ourselves - I don't particularly want Lambert as Villa manager, but he was unlucky today.
Maybe so Monty, but we still reverted to type after we scored and seemed happy to sit back rather than continue to get at Spurs. There's just a total lack of ambition running through the club.
I really disagree with that. Sure, Spurs came back into it, they're a good team in desperate form, and we're in bad form as well and best at counterattacking, so there was nothing odd in that pattern asserting itself. Besides, we created quite a few opportunities between the goal and the red card. It was the sending off which turned the game, particularly as it was our best player getting ejected. That's the only valid analysis of the game, I think.
I was at the game, so would have to watch it again, but I seem to remember a clear drop in attacking intent after we scored. That might have been down to what has happened in the past few games, but we have done it many times before.
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Driving home from the game my mind was cast back to the summer and the feeling of impending dread with another season about to start. It's coming to fruition again now, pain and misery.
I actually felt we played quite well today upto the obvious turning point.
My ratings Guzan 7 Lowton 5 Vlaar 4 Baker 5, Cissokho 4, Westwood 5 Sanchez 6, Cleverley 5, Nzogbia 7 Benteke 3 Weimann 6.
Vlaar can fuck off as far as I'm concerned now. He's head is at Yanited already. Let's get some cash and Ashley Young for him.
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Reading the match reports, everyone thinks we were hard done by, that the red was harsh and that we were the better team until it happened. Even if the red was warranted, Lambert set up the team in a way which paid off, and he can hardly be blamed for our best player being silly. I think we need to be honest with ourselves - I don't particularly want Lambert as Villa manager, but he was unlucky today.
Maybe so Monty, but we still reverted to type after we scored and seemed happy to sit back rather than continue to get at Spurs. There's just a total lack of ambition running through the club.
I really disagree with that. Sure, Spurs came back into it, they're a good team in desperate form, and we're in bad form as well and best at counterattacking, so there was nothing odd in that pattern asserting itself. Besides, we created quite a few opportunities between the goal and the red card. It was the sending off which turned the game, particularly as it was our best player getting ejected. That's the only valid analysis of the game, I think.
I was at the game, so would have to watch it again, but I seem to remember a clear drop in attacking intent after we scored. That might have been down to what has happened in the past few games, but we have done it many times before.
I think you are right to a certain extent.
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Reading the match reports, everyone thinks we were hard done by, that the red was harsh and that we were the better team until it happened. Even if the red was warranted, Lambert set up the team in a way which paid off, and he can hardly be blamed for our best player being silly. I think we need to be honest with ourselves - I don't particularly want Lambert as Villa manager, but he was unlucky today.
Maybe so Monty, but we still reverted to type after we scored and seemed happy to sit back rather than continue to get at Spurs. There's just a total lack of ambition running through the club.
I really disagree with that. Sure, Spurs came back into it, they're a good team in desperate form, and we're in bad form as well and best at counterattacking, so there was nothing odd in that pattern asserting itself. Besides, we created quite a few opportunities between the goal and the red card. It was the sending off which turned the game, particularly as it was our best player getting ejected. That's the only valid analysis of the game, I think.
I was at the game, so would have to watch it again, but I seem to remember a clear drop in attacking intent after we scored. That might have been down to what has happened in the past few games, but we have done it many times before.
I think you are right to a certain extent.
I recall a couple of changes for Spurs straight after Kane came on but equally they struggled to create anything either until the first goal. The sort of game a better Villa team would have seen out 1-0
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Just home from the game. Yet another 100 mile drive in silence.
I think the luckiest man at Villa Park today was Paul Lambert. He is still the rubbish manager he was at 3.59pm this afternoon but the game which was his seventh consecutive defeat contained diversions like "let's blame Benteke" and "let's blame Sanchez" and "let's blame the referee". All of those factors are valid to some degree but the underlying malaise was as easy to see as in the previous defeats. The performance of the team is less than the sum of its parts and the manager alone is responsible for that.
All the carry on about not scoring goals has taken attention away from how weak we are at the back. A better side than that Spurs team would have got five goals today. I cannot write any more about this, I am so sick of losing and so sick of Lambert.
If there had been a church open somewhere on the road between the ground and my house I would have gone into it and offered up a prayer for Tony Pulis, or somebody very much like him to come to save us from humiliation at the hands of conceited, arrogant, up their own arses teams like Tottenham.
Tottenham set out to do what John Terry did to Benteke and get him sent off. It was a premeditated plan just like Terry's was. They know he has a low boiling point and they wound him up until his temper got the better of his judgement. Minutes before the red card incident Benteke got Spurs fingers in his eyes and when he started rubbing them I said to my mate next to me that they were giving him the Terry treatment. All Spurs needed was a compliant referee and it was job done.
I live for the day when we can play them and the others like them and give them a bloody good seeing to. I is not going to happen because we are stuck with Lambert.
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Hopefully we appeal the red card, at least get it reduced. Mason was just as guilty and yet went unpunished. Another great excuse for Lambert to hide behind.
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Sorry but I think we would have won today had the ref not decided to try and make a name for himself. He wasn't helped by the 4th official who was to be found nice an comfortably settled in the Spurs dugout when the first 2 footed challenge went in on one of our players. He was actually right in with their subs and staff, not just leaning in!
Christian had 4 - 5 Spurs players around him pulling and kicking at him just before the red card, as he started to complain, the little rat faced Spurs player not only stuck his head into Christian, but then slipped away like the snake he is smiling to watch the chaos. Seemed like a clear plan from Spurs to get at us from start of 2nd half because they couldn't find a way through. Once he had shown his red card, he simply gave them everything, including the free kick for the winner, when they had handled the ball just before one of them fell over.
Plenty of positives but missing Christian for the next 3 will be a massive loss. Poor Spurs team for me who reverted to dubious means to get the result, aided by unforgivable official decisions. Yes I am sick of losing, no I am not a Lambert apologist, I just want a reasonably level playing field but we never seem to get it particularly against the media luvvies.
We do need to start taking things in hand ourselves now and start picking points up be that with or without our current manager. UTV!!!
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There was no need for any of the subistutions. Nzog was having his best game for us , Weiman industrious and full of energy, why change it? The ref and officials inept. I just knew it wouldn't be a good day when you seen the cameras at the minutes service before the start totally focused on Tottenham. I fucking hate Tottenham.
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There was no need for any of the subistutions. Nzog was having his best game for us , Weiman industrious and full of energy, why change it? The ref and officials inept. I just knew it wouldn't be a good day when you seen the cameras at the minutes service before the start totally focused on Tottenham. I fucking hate Tottenham.
Weimann was a red card waiting to happen. And we have to remember that Zog isn't going to be 100% match fit after a year out and handful of appearances.
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Hopefully we appeal the red card, at least get it reduced. Mason was just as guilty and yet went unpunished. Another great excuse for Lambert to hide behind.
You can't appeal that, you'd get the ban extended instead for taking the piss.
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There was no need for any of the subistutions. Nzog was having his best game for us , Weiman industrious and full of energy, why change it? The ref and officials inept. I just knew it wouldn't be a good day when you seen the cameras at the minutes service before the start totally focused on Tottenham. I fucking hate Tottenham.
I did kind of understand the sub because we did catch them on the break a few times and Gabby's pace might have caused them problems but I thought he should have left CNZ on, who was having his best game for a while and taken Weimann off who I think had just been booked.
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Weimann was doing his best impression of a crazy man so had to be subbed.
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I have a shirt with Gabby's name on the back but I think he has had it. I think he sort of hankers for a Lampard style role but he does not have the football brain and he looks 20lbs overweight. Such a shame.
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I have a shirt with Gabby's name on the back but I think he has had it. I think he sort of hankers for a Lampard style role but he does not have the football brain and he looks 20lbs overweight. Such a shame.
Yet, staggeringly, he's another that we couldn't wait to "reward" with a new contract. From the day he first got into the first team it was obvious that he was a one-trick pony and that trick was his pace. Now he's losing that asset he offers precisely nothing other than being the token born-and-bred Villa fan on the pitch.
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I hate putting defeats down to bad luck, but the way Villa attract misfortune these days, I honestly do wonder if it's worth getting an exorcist in.
We aren't Small Heath with their gypsy curse
Sold him to Blackburn didn't they?
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Almost right TD113. The token born and bred Villa fan on the pitch is about to become Jack Grealish. If he ever gets on the pitch that is.
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Just in. Fuck me, that was simply the most inept refereeing display I have ever seen at villa park.
Fuming
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I'm so battered now I don't know what to think.
After years of watching defeats at home it is like rubbing an old wound every fortnight.
Lambert has got off light again - what could have been a legendary holding action for victory will soon slip into the memory as another defeat snatched from the jaws of victory. The manager is the leader - he sets the tone and attitude but this team seems bereft of class and professionalism.
The first time I ever saw us play Spurs the match ended with the Holte chanting "We hate Tottenham" as we flooded onto Witton Lane - tonight we just slink away into the shadows to await another pasting...
I hate you Lerner
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Yes, but they kept his caravan in the hope of a second coming.
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As we only lose nowadays, I enjoyed it more than say, the Arsenal or QPR defeats. At least there seemed to be some bollocks put into the performance. Stupidity and naivity cost us, but at least there were some signs of improvement. I'm aware it couldn't get much worse.
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Actually thought Sanchez and N'Zogbia were both good up until they ran out of steam and taking Zog off was a bad error .
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N'Zogbia had a good game.
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I can think of several good things about this game, but none of them are primarily about the manager.
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I think he was knackered. He ran about five times as much as he does usually so it makes sense.
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I can think of several good things about this game, but none of them are primarily about the manager.
I defend him often, but even I know he's been shite recently. Today, however, I think he didn't do too much wrong.
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I can think of several good things about this game, but none of them are primarily about the manager.
I defend him often, but even I know he's been shite recently. Today, however, I think he didn't do too much wrong.
His team lost another game. That's 6 on the trot.
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Actually thought Sanchez and N'Zogbia were both good up until they ran out of steam and taking Zog off was a bad error .
If Zog was out of steam didn't it make sense to take him off?
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I can think of several good things about this game, but none of them are primarily about the manager.
I defend him often, but even I know he's been shite recently. Today, however, I think he didn't do too much wrong.
There was the usual spinelessness he's spent two years instilling in us, mind. Ultimately it is his team, we play poorly, we lose, we play well (ish), we lose.
It just seems like some sort of groundhoggish barrel of shit we're floating in.
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So much for my pre season theory that nobody would have a pop at our players within 20 yards of Keane. I did not see much input from him or Lambert when Benteke got suckered ten feet away from them.
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So much for my pre season theory that nobody would have a pop at our players within 20 yards of Keane. I did not see much input from him or Lambert when Benteke got suckered ten feet away from them.
I noticed that when Benteke hit the post, the camera panned to our bench, they were all jumping up, heads in hands, and Keane was just staring at the ground.
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I can think of several good things about this game, but none of them are primarily about the manager.
I defend him often, but even I know he's been shite recently. Today, however, I think he didn't do too much wrong.
His team lost another game. That's 6 on the trot.
Sometimes it's the manager's fault, other times there are other factors. I am not saying he's doing a good job right now, but QPR was primarily his fault; today wasn't.
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I am watching MOTD 2 and what comes to mind is crappy ref and defensive ineptitude right at the end. Otherwise we were laughing.
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Gabby at fault for there first goal, he seems really off the pace and needs to be shipped out. Not tracking his man Chadli who was lucky to be on the pitch after his studded tackle earlier.
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So much for my pre season theory that nobody would have a pop at our players within 20 yards of Keane. I did not see much input from him or Lambert when Benteke got suckered ten feet away from them.
I noticed that when Benteke hit the post, the camera panned to our bench, they were all jumping up, heads in hands, and Keane was just staring at the ground.
Probably had his mind on the jungle .
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Reading the match reports, everyone thinks we were hard done by, that the red was harsh and that we were the better team until it happened. Even if the red was warranted, Lambert set up the team in a way which paid off, and he can hardly be blamed for our best player being silly. I think we need to be honest with ourselves - I don't particularly want Lambert as Villa manager, but he was unlucky today.
Maybe so Monty, but we still reverted to type after we scored and seemed happy to sit back rather than continue to get at Spurs. There's just a total lack of ambition running through the club.
I really disagree with that. Sure, Spurs came back into it, they're a good team in desperate form, and we're in bad form as well and best at counterattacking, so there was nothing odd in that pattern asserting itself. Besides, we created quite a few opportunities between the goal and the red card. It was the sending off which turned the game, particularly as it was our best player getting ejected. That's the only valid analysis of the game, I think.
I was at the game, so would have to watch it again, but I seem to remember a clear drop in attacking intent after we scored. That might have been down to what has happened in the past few games, but we have done it many times before.
I think you are right to a certain extent.
I recall a couple of changes for Spurs straight after Kane came on but equally they struggled to create anything either until the first goal. The sort of game a better Villa team would have seen out 1-0
I don't know, they created a few very good chances in the first half.
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Really don't like current players as pundits watching their own teams. Really soft sending off, guy puts his head in your face, you have the right to push it away.
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Very frustrating and gifting those obnoxious wankers the cause for celebrations akin to winning the treble and having the 'pleasure' of walking out the ground amongst them made it far worse.
For all Lambert's failings before and during this game it WAS the officials total incompetence and bias towards those annoying cheating twats epitomised by that little shit Mason that gave the points to them.Fuming .
Don't worry, they don't have much to celebrate. Just endless years of the Europa Cup and thinking they have arrived when they never have. They are about 10 rungs up the ladder of Premier League mediocrity from us, that's all.
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So much for my pre season theory that nobody would have a pop at our players within 20 yards of Keane. I did not see much input from him or Lambert when Benteke got suckered ten feet away from them.
I noticed that when Benteke hit the post, the camera panned to our bench, they were all jumping up, heads in hands, and Keane was just staring at the ground.
Probably had his mind on the jungle .
Do witchettygrubs fight back?
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I didn't realise that was Harry Kane's first premier league goal of the season today. By the way they're were wobbling on about him on motd just, i'd thought he'd be neck and neck with Aguero.
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It's fair to say Mason was the match winner for Spurs because he got Benteke sent off but escaped scott free himself.
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It's all mine / a Danish commentator's fault.
30 seconds before the corner for their first the commentator pipes up with "spurs have created nothing in the second half and.look devoid of ideas.".
"That's stuffed it. It'll finish 2-1 to them" I said to my son.
I only saw the second half and would describe it as marginally less inept than the last 3 games I've seen. Sounds like the first half was a bit better?
Gabby was guilty of the kind of ball watching Benteke got caught out with a few times in his first season.
Unacceptable for someone with his experience.
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Actually thought Sanchez and N'Zogbia were both good up until they ran out of steam and taking Zog off was a bad error .
See, this is the kind of thing where I question Lambert's thinking. It was clear Sanchez was pretty much done after an hour on Monday night, so it would be reasonable to think it would be the same again today. Him and Westwood are similar as in they are both more defensive minded. Why not start Richardson alongside Sanchez and then bring on Westwood when Sanchez started to tire? Oh no. Let's run him into the ground again to the point where he makes a tired lunge in the final minutes which costs us the game. I just don't think he is a very smart manager.
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He was quite good when he came on, Kane, but his 'goal' was a jazzily deflected shot, which was otherwise on course to find a home in Guzan's arms.
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Watched an NBC feed, & they were adamant that the ref had seen the Benteke-Mason incident at first hand, taking advice from either the Assistant Ref or even 4th Official.
If that's the case, couldn't Mason still be eligible for retrospective action?
Sour grades on my part, but it would make me feel a million times better seeing this snivelling little shit get his come-uppance.
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So much for my pre season theory that nobody would have a pop at our players within 20 yards of Keane. I did not see much input from him or Lambert when Benteke got suckered ten feet away from them.
I noticed that when Benteke hit the post, the camera panned to our bench, they were all jumping up, heads in hands, and Keane was just staring at the ground.
Dunno maybe it's his style not to waste energy at missed chances.
He did get up and celebrate the goal at least.
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Yes, I agree that today we have been unlucky, but it is quite clear that we can not explain so many defeats in a row only with the bad luck.
Our percentage of possession is always awful, we can not keep the ball, and we do not defend in the midfield, this is the reason why our opponents play constantly in our box and in a situation like this before or later it is sure that you concede one, two, or even three goal.
I have the impression that nobody at the club sees this, otherwise Lambert would not have renewed his contract.
I am very concerned for the future, we are the worst PL team for level of play, if we do not improve quickly we could not escape the relegation this year.
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Ultimately we had one shot on target today. We can bemoan misfortune, and Benteke getting sent off, but we're not getting enough shots on target. If you wanna score that's what you need to do first and foremost. Shooting practice very much required.
This wasn't quite the disaster of the last 5 games but the reality is, we lost to a shit Spurs side who are all over the shop right now. Lambert still needs the old heave ho because he'll continue to get things wrong.
Bentekes sending off is a blessing in disguise in some regards, because he's been rushed back. He's half cooked. Stick Bent up with Weimann in the next game, or have Zogbia and Grealish either side of Weimann. Andi's not great but he's our top scorer and he's a hard worker.
I think our next two games are actually harder than a shitty Spurs side, which the press continue to wank over as if they're something special.
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Ultimately we had one shot on target today.
That pretty much says it all, to be honest. That's why we are where we are, with the momentum we have. And this was far from our worst performance - it wasn't even close to being the worst, and nor was Monday night - and that's probably the worst thing about this.
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I didn't realise that was Harry Kane's first premier league goal of the season today. By the way they're were wobbling on about him on motd just, i'd thought he'd be neck and neck with Aguero.
Yeah he scored the other 8 against Total Network solutions in the europa league I think.
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The one thing I noticed about Kane today is how utterly fucking punchable his face is. he looks like a cross between (that tit) Lee Chapman and (that tit) Antoine Du Beq.
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I didn't realise that was Harry Kane's first premier league goal of the season today. By the way they're were wobbling on about him on motd just, i'd thought he'd be neck and neck with Aguero.
Yeah he scored the other 8 against Total Network solutions in the europa league I think.
I bet TNS would be dancing in the Street if they got to play us
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I wonder if he would have been subbed had we not been down to ten men. I'm not sure if there was another center midfielder on the bench. No, he wasn't abysmal and he didn't give the ball away again and again either. He did ok for me.
It was an opportunity to move Cleverley to centre and bring on Grealish as with N'Zogbia off we needed someone to run at their defence but there we are...
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I will say I was pleased me had the nouse to drop Agbonlahor after his half-arsed display on Monday. I would have expected when he came to be fired up with a point to prove.....but no.
Having seen the sending off again, I'm sorry, but Benteke was always going to walk. You raise your hand to an opponent and one of the officials spots you, your asking for trouble. Naive from him, though the behaviour of one or two Spurs players should be looked at as well.
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The one thing I noticed about Kane today is how utterly fucking punchable his face is. he looks like a cross between (that tit) Lee Chapman and (that tit) Antoine Du Beq.
He does doesn't he? Absolutely nailed on for a dozen or so England caps producing a single goal in a friendly against lacklustre opposition.
Having watched the highlights I am of the opinion that a cowardly, star struck ref was the decisive difference between the teams.
I sincerely hope these are the last three points Spurs gain this season and that the if every defeat is either crushing or controversial or both. Wankers.
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When all the players started doing handbags , I noticed saldardo , or whatever that shit player is called , ran over and shove benteke hard three times and not even a yellow.
And how annoying that greasy lambela runs waving a false card for ten yards towards the ref.
And yes watching Kane talk on MOTD2 , why didn't Keane at least come on the pitch and give him a slap.
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Benteke's hand off to the face the more I see it was about the least violent moment in the entire episode. The ref was very biased in the 2 big moments. Vertonghen rightly goes 5 minutes before and we win the game, probably with Benteke on the pitch. Such lines can cost managers their jobs and clubs millions at the end of it all and the refs don't have to explain a thing.
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I didn't realise that was Harry Kane's first premier league goal of the season today. By the way they're were wobbling on about him on motd just, i'd thought he'd be neck and neck with Aguero.
That's probably because he hasn't had many chances in the league so far, but I think he will from now on. He's a good player and wil get better - he had an immediate impact today and gave Spurs a lift just by coming on. Even before Benteke's sending off and despite Spurs playing shit, I still thought they'd get something out the game simply because they could bring Kane and others on to change things positively. That was the main difference between the two sides today, the quality of the benches, because Villa realistically have no one they can bring on with any hope of changing a game.
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Benteke's sending off had an effect on the game, so did our decision to stop doing what had worked in the first half to a certain extent, as I think was expected, we start to get deeper and deeper.
Player wise, why are so many of our players unfit, Sanchez I can understand, but I noticed on Monday night, they showed a close up of Benteke and Gabby within the first 10 minutes and both players were sweating buckets, Benteke understandably.
Said prior to the game we have to have the nous to take more shots at goal, again not forthcoming.
One thing that did concern me, as been stated loads of times on here, when the Benteke incident occurred there were Spud wankers pushing and shoving Benteke, but where were our players, that should have been in the middle of it, giving Benteke support and protection, including our lengendry hard man on the bench.
Also why was Kane allowed to move the ball a good couple of yards backwards prior to his free kick to allow a better opportunity to get it up and down, which he had failed to do without the assistance of Bakers head.
One last thing Cleverly what does he bring??
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Benteke's sending off had an effect on the game, so did our decision to stop doing what had worked in the first half to a certain extent, as I think was expected, we start to get deeper and deeper.
Player wise, why are so many of our players unfit, Sanchez I can understand, but I noticed on Monday night, they showed a close up of Benteke and Gabby within the first 10 minutes and both players were sweating buckets, Benteke understandably.
Said prior to the game we have to have the nous to take more shots at goal, again not forthcoming.
One thing that did concern me, as been stated loads of times on here, when the Benteke incident occurred there were Spud wankers pushing and shoving Benteke, but where were our players, that should have been in the middle of it, giving Benteke support and protection, including our lengendry hard man on the bench.
Also why was Kane allowed to move the ball a good couple of yards backwards prior to his free kick to allow a better opportunity to get it up and down, which he had failed to do without the assistance of Bakers head.
One last thing Cleverly what does he bring??
I think he brings in the dressing room pre match music. Can't think of much else. Oh and an apple each for Paul and Roy.
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When all the players started doing handbags , I noticed saldardo , or whatever that shit player is called , ran over and shove benteke hard three times and not even a yellow.
And how annoying that greasy lambela runs waving a false card for ten yards towards the ref.
And yes watching Kane talk on MOTD2 , why didn't Keane at least come on the pitch and give him a slap.
Another yellow card, according to the rules, that the ref 'missed'!!
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I will say I was pleased me had the nouse to drop Agbonlahor after his half-arsed display on Monday. I would have expected when he came to be fired up with a point to prove.....but no.
Having seen the sending off again, I'm sorry, but Benteke was always going to walk. You raise your hand to an opponent and one of the officials spots you, your asking for trouble. Naive from him, though the behaviour of one or two Spurs players should be looked at as well.
I think that's what is annoying me most. Yes, I can accept the Benteke sending off, I'm convinced that was their tactic for the second half, but, for their players to get away scott free, not just in that incident, time and again was galling. Both Vertongen(?) and Chadli, in particular, were fortunate to be on the pitch after two footed lunges.
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Yes the ref was dire.Yes Spurs were annoying little shits.Yes we are right ot luck but...
I liken what I usually hear from Lambert as a bit like someone who keeps having prangs in their car and blames bad luck. Sooner or later you draw the conclusion they are a crap driver.
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Gabby needs to be benched again on Saturday . I suppose that leaves Bent.
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I didn't realise that was Harry Kane's first premier league goal of the season today. By the way they're were wobbling on about him on motd just, i'd thought he'd be neck and neck with Aguero.
Come on he's Londoner,he plays for a London team and he's benefited from a massive deflection for a lucky goal....what do you want blood?
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I didn't realise that was Harry Kane's first premier league goal of the season today. By the way they're were wobbling on about him on motd just, i'd thought he'd be neck and neck with Aguero.
Come on he's Londoner,he plays for a London team and he's benefited from a massive deflection for a lucky goal....what do you want blood?
Come on, guys, It was obvious he aimed to come off Bakers head to wrong foot Guzan. Quality, not even Ronaldo can do that! ;)
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Yes the ref was dire.Yes Spurs were annoying little shits.Yes we are right ot luck but...
I liken what I usually hear from Lambert as a bit like someone who keeps having prangs in their car and blames bad luck. Sooner or later you draw the conclusion they are a crap driver.
Excellent !!
On the Gabby theme, did anyone notice that (again) he was off down the tunnel before the ref had finished whistling for full time.
Is that 'his thing' now or is it because he just can't be fucking arsed to acknowledge the fans anymore ?
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I agree with everything you say Kuwait, especially our legendary hard man on the touchline being too chicken shit to stand up for Benteke. As I posted last night the winding up of Benteke was a premeditated tactic picked up from our last red card, namely Benteke getting wound up by that arsehole Terry and getting sent off. A few minutes before the red card, also right in front of the dugout Benteke got hit in the eyes and was rubbing them very noticeably. I expect nothing from Lambert because he is a dummy but surely Keane saw it and ought to have known what was afoot. When the handbags kicked off Keane should have got amongst those Spurs players springing their dirty trick to get our best player sent off without any retribution whatsoever. The referee was a gutless prick but so many are and we walked into it just like we did when Terry pulled the same stroke.
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I didn't realise that was Harry Kane's first premier league goal of the season today. By the way they're were wobbling on about him on motd just, i'd thought he'd be neck and neck with Aguero.
Come on he's Londoner,he plays for a London team and he's benefited from a massive deflection for a lucky goal....what do you want blood?
You could take the media fluff from last year and replace the name Andros Townsend with Harry Kane
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One thing I will say about Kane, is that he stopped that whopper Lamella from waving an imaginary card around.
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There was a lot to be pleased about yesterday, we looked organised and played some decent football but whatever we do at the moment ends up with another defeat. For all our obvious deficiencies we really are long overdue some luck. That deflection for their goal, for instance, never seems to happen for us.
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The other thing on that Brian, if an opposing team know you have a bit about you and that you are likely to stick together, they may not set out with the intention of winding up Benteke, because with a bit of nous players would see what was happening and ensure the Spud wankers were aware that we had wised up and would target certain individuals on their team. Christ sake I use to be part of teams that did that at Parks football over 30 years ago.
But prior to the game on one of the threads I mentioned what I believed as the lack of footballing intelligence with our players, not helped by the lack of managerial intelligence shown by Lambert and our Leg end Keane, this shows on a regular basis on our ability not to close a game out and also raise a fair amount of notice when things go wrong. I said on my earlier post, Kane was allowed to move the ball for his free kick to a more preferred position, with not one of our players saying a word to that toss pot of a ref, again showing a lack of professionalism.
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I don't mind Harry Kane. An average footballer on good form. Unfortunately he scored against us, but who doesn't?
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The other thing on that Brian, if an opposing team know you have a bit about you and that you are likely to stick together, they may not set out with the intention of winding up Benteke, because with a bit of nous players would see what was happening and ensure the Spud wankers were aware that we had wised up and would target certain individuals on their team. Christ sake I use to be part of teams that did that at Parks football over 30 years ago.
But prior to the game on one of the threads I mentioned what I believed as the lack of footballing intelligence with our players, not helped by the lack of managerial intelligence shown by Lambert and our Leg end Keane, this shows on a regular basis on our ability not to close a game out and also raise a fair amount of notice when things go wrong. I said on my earlier post, Kane was allowed to move the ball for his free kick to a more preferred position, with not one of our players saying a word to that toss pot of a ref, again showing a lack of professionalism.
Shouldn't Swarbrick have put some shaving cream down to mark the position of the free kick at this crucial momemt in the match?
He might be good on the fiddle but makes a very poor referee!
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There was a lot to be pleased about yesterday, we looked organised and played some decent football but whatever we do at the moment ends up with another defeat. For all our obvious deficiencies we really are long overdue some luck. That deflection for their goal, for instance, never seems to happen for us.
When was the last time we got ourselves in a position to win a free kick in a dangerous position though, Chris ?
Its not only the lack of shots or shots on target where we are devoid.
I think we lack the nous and guile anywhere around the box where we should maybe 'buy a free kick'.
Petrov was the master of getting 'cheap' free kicks to either break up play, relieve pressure or get free kicks around the box.
I'm not advocating cheating, but the team certainly needs to be wiser when there is an advantage to be gained.
Maybe thats down to coaching !!!
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Andy, that is something that was mentioned in the pub after the game - we just aren't very streetwise in those situations.
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We have missed Petrov's arse winning us free kicks. If he ever looked like losing the ball, he'd stick his arse out and the referee would blow up.
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We have missed Petrov's arse winning us free kicks. If he ever looked like losing the ball, he'd stick his arse out and the referee would blow up.
I have a picture now of Petrov cheekily sticking his arse out and a referee exploding !
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He loves a good spicy ruby does our Stan.
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Chris, as I said earlier and I am blue in the face saying it, we lack football intelligence and our Management team have done nothing about it.
It can be taught, I think you look at a younger Gabby when that tosser O'Neil was here, he made him more aware of what was happening around him, plus we had players like Petrov, Young , Milner all players who had a certain savvy about them and played a professional game professionally.
Another example yesterday, Vlaar was called over towards the end of the Benteke incident, obviously asked the ref why he was sending him off, when told just shrugged his shoulders at Benteke and walked away, no protesting with the ref, no reminding the ref of all the shoves that had occurred, of the two footed tackles that had been made, just shrugged and accepted.
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With Petrov's arse and Ashley's diving, we were in a freekick glut under O'Neill. We're probably just evening it out now.
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With Petrov's arse and Ashley's diving, we were in a freekick glut under O'Neill. We're probably just evening it out now.
I don't think we cheat enough now. I don't think we're savvy enough. All the top clubs have that dirty streak in them, particularly as they know they'll get the favourable decisions, but a lot of other clubs and players will do that.
What I thought was absolutely brilliant about Swiss Phil in the Liverpool game was the way he knobbled Balotelli all game. He just kept on at him, winding the bastard up and it worked like a charm.
It's not good. It's not a nice part of the game. But in the modern SKY top 4 Wank fest League, cheating is part and parcel of the game. If you can't beat em, join em.
Gabby used to win shitloads of freekicks with his running. Did he always go over honestly? Probably not. We need him at his best. Likewise I want to see Zogbia full pelting it against fullbacks. All it takes is a stray leg and you've got your invitation to a freekick/pen. We should take a leaf out of Robbens book. He's one of the worlds best players, and he's also one of the slyest, dirtiest, cheating little pillocks in the history of the game. But it works, and there-in lies a potential avenue for success.
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One thing I will say about Kane, is that he stopped that whopper Lamella from waving an imaginary card around.
Exactly. A bit embarrassing seeing everyone having a go at Kane. A likeable character amongst the rest of that mob. Didn't do much wrong apart from come on, work hard and turn the game for Spurs with a bit of good fortune. He's also from Spurs' catchment area. Can't say we wouldn't love someone similar at our place.
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we've got to accept that the way the game is set up today we are in the class of no-matters....we're not Londoners , we're not Northerners, we're not part of the Sky set...we're just there to make up the numbers to provide those who are with the easy pickings.
The only way we can change that is to get wise to their tricks and not fall for them and get nasty if that's the way to go.
Do I want that for my club ...not really but perhaps we need to adopt the Millwall mentality
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There was a lot to be pleased about yesterday, we looked organised and played some decent football but whatever we do at the moment ends up with another defeat. For all our obvious deficiencies we really are long overdue some luck. That deflection for their goal, for instance, never seems to happen for us.
There was nothing to be pleased about. We lost yet another game at home and we had only one shot on target. The fact that we weren't as awful as we usually are isn't something to be pleased about. We were still poor.
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One thing I will say about Kane, is that he stopped that whopper Lamella from waving an imaginary card around.
Exactly. A bit embarrassing seeing everyone having a go at Kane. A likeable character amongst the rest of that mob. Didn't do much wrong apart from come on, work hard and turn the game for Spurs with a bit of good fortune. He's also from Spurs' catchment area. Can't say we wouldn't love someone similar at our place.
We've got one - Jack Grealish. The difference though is that Kane is actually doing something on the pitch whereas Grealish hasn't done a thing of note as yet.
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I've got that book, it's ace.
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Yesterday was an improvement but we lost and created very little again. Effort and workrate were there but it just reminded me of a very poor MoN team without the wingers. Benteke shouldn't have reacted and we are stuffed up front now for he next 3 games. I thought Lowton looked decent going forward and delivered a few decent balls (although all from deep which is the Lambert way obviously). Baker, Westwood and Weimann had good games in my opinion and surely we must play Weimann up front as he is the only one with an idea of where the goal is. Vlaar looks disinterested and not the leader he was, that is Nathan Baker now and all credit to him.
I do fear this season more than the last 2 though, Lerner and Lambert have ripped the heart out of the club and 40 points looks a very long way away.
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There was a lot to be pleased about yesterday, we looked organised and played some decent football but whatever we do at the moment ends up with another defeat. For all our obvious deficiencies we really are long overdue some luck. That deflection for their goal, for instance, never seems to happen for us.
There was nothing to be pleased about. We lost yet another game at home and we had only one shot on target. The fact that we weren't as awful as we usually are isn't something to be pleased about. We were still poor.
The shots on target thing that keeps getting repeated doesn't really tell the story. Benteke at his sharpest would have scored three yesterday with the chances he had but was either just wide, just over or hit the post.
It doesn't help, we still lost, but it's a misleading statistic with which to summarise a game.
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I actually think sanchez is one of our best players by far but he likes to give the opposition the chance to score goals . lets out he stops doing it.
He was abysmal yesterday. Error after error after error. Rarely have I seen anyone so inept.
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I actually think sanchez is one of our best players by far but he likes to give the opposition the chance to score goals . lets out he stops doing it.
He was abysmal yesterday. Error after error after error. Rarely have I seen anyone so inept.
You can't have been watching football very long if you haven't seen anyone worse than Sanchez. Why do people make thoughtless posts like this?
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I listened to Souness et al after the game and they were saying that we lacked quality in important areas of the pitch.
I think this year injuries and suspensions are really hindering us, because with everyone fit and available I would think that the following wouldn't be out of place in a top 6 team.....
Guzan
Vlaar
Delph
Cleverly
Benteke.
That is just under half a team (though it rarely seems to get on the pitch at the same time).The others making up the team are not totally hopeless which leads me to the conclusion that they are just being coached ineptly. The really disappointing thing is that the inept coaching seems to have been going on for seasons now.
Cleverly did absolutely nothing yesterday, but the others are decenct players.
The problem is that the rest, with the possible exception of Weimann are way way off the standard required.
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I don't get the 'we played well - we were unlucky argument'. Spuds missed 3 + ? excellent chances 1st half. We didn't create anything bar the goal (although Benteke was unlucky with the shot that hit the bar). Two very poor teams today. I would hate to count the amount of sheer just simple mistakes by both sets of players. Sanchez in particular was truly abysmal - he must have 20 misplaced passes / missed tackles, basic f**k ups. The midfield is simply sh**te and if you cant defend, create or score you are doomed. Gonna have a sore head in the morning.
You must have been drunk if you thought Sanchez was 'truly abysmal'.
No he is spot on. Admittedly I only counted 12 cock ups from him - and I haven't including the other free kick he gave away in a similar position where i thought the ref. was a bit harsh. Then again 12 fuck ups form around 15 touches of the ball is without doubt abysmal.
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I didn't think Sanchez was great to be honest - too many times he lost possession when the opposition snuck up on him without him noticing. There were enough touches to show that once he gets used to the Premier League he'll be an asset though.
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I actually think sanchez is one of our best players by far but he likes to give the opposition the chance to score goals . lets out he stops doing it.
He was abysmal yesterday. Error after error after error. Rarely have I seen anyone so inept.
You can't have been watching football very long if you haven't seen anyone worse than Sanchez. Why do people make thoughtless posts like this?
2 of the statements are factually correct, the other is my opinion based on 45 years of watching football.
What qualifies you to judge my post as thoughtless?
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I actually think sanchez is one of our best players by far but he likes to give the opposition the chance to score goals . lets out he stops doing it.
He was abysmal yesterday. Error after error after error. Rarely have I seen anyone so inept.
You can't have been watching football very long if you haven't seen anyone worse than Sanchez. Why do people make thoughtless posts like this?
2 of the statements are factually correct, the other is my opinion based on 45 years of watching football.
What qualifies you to judge my post as thoughtless?
So in 45 years of watching football, Carlos Sanchez is one of the worst players you ever seen?
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There was a lot to be pleased about yesterday, we looked organised and played some decent football but whatever we do at the moment ends up with another defeat. For all our obvious deficiencies we really are long overdue some luck. That deflection for their goal, for instance, never seems to happen for us.
There was nothing to be pleased about. We lost yet another game at home and we had only one shot on target. The fact that we weren't as awful as we usually are isn't something to be pleased about. We were still poor.
The shots on target thing that keeps getting repeated doesn't really tell the story. Benteke at his sharpest would have scored three yesterday with the chances he had but was either just wide, just over or hit the post.
It doesn't help, we still lost, but it's a misleading statistic with which to summarise a game.
No it really isn't. No matter about how unlucky you are in a single match if you're only averaging 1-2 shots on target over a prolonged period you're not going to score very many goals. Given the average conversion rate of shots on target to goals is about 30-35% (from all shots is about 15% but getting exact figures isn't easy) our number of goals this season is almost perfectly in line (statistically) with the league averages so pointing out missed chances, etc doesn't matter, we're not scoring enough goals because we don't shoot enough. If we were statistically well out of line with expectations then I'd have some sympathy and hope that it really was just a patch where things weren't going for us (e.g Benteke's conversion rate in his first few games was statistically lower than expected but ended up being above average by the end of the season) but that's just not the case.
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I don't think yesterday or QPR were anything like our worst performances this season, nowhere near.
What concerns me is that, despite that, they were still far from convincing, and we came away with zero points.
The shots on target stat is perfectly valid, too, i have to say. It isn't everything, it is one of a number of statistics that tell a bigger story.
The problem we have is that every single one of those statistics makes grim reading, and although he has had over two seasons to sort this out, we don't seem to make much appreciable progress.
Yes, we were doing OK after four games, but it is all pretty pointless if you then go on a prolonged run of truly awful results - zero points from eighteen, one goal scored in the six games.
If this was the first time we'd had a situation of looking poor for a decent spell of time, the manager would get more patience - and this is exactly what happened after his first season.
The problem is, this now looks par for the course for Lambert, over a more than reasonable period of time, and he doesn't seem to know what to do to improve things.
It is daft to ignore mitigating circumstances, he hasn't had a lot of money to spend relatively to some other clubs, but as someone else said above, the poor results over two years would be more acceptable if we were sending out a cheap squad which returned more or less what you'd expect from those players, but we don't, we get less than you'd expect.
I don't really know why, but as a person, I still quite Lambert. Some of the stick he gets -"he's thick, he mumbles, he says 'we go again' all the time", honestly who gives a fuck about that? It might be mildly annoying at times, yes, but it is all pretty irrelevant.
What we have is a manager with a record with us that at significantly more than one occasion in the last two and a bit seasons would have got pretty much every other manager in the top flight the sack, yet not only is our manager still in place, he's just recently been given a four year contract.
That is the worst bit for me. The losing streaks are bad enough, but from where I am standing, I can't see any hope it is going to improve while the chairman makes idiotic decisions like that new contract.
Lambert has had huge amounts of support from the fans, I can't think of any manager who delivered results like he did in his first year and still maintained so much goodwill. I honestly don't blame anyone who thinks he has had enough time now - how much longer does he need, or deserve?
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There was a lot to be pleased about yesterday, we looked organised and played some decent football but whatever we do at the moment ends up with another defeat. For all our obvious deficiencies we really are long overdue some luck. That deflection for their goal, for instance, never seems to happen for us.
There was nothing to be pleased about. We lost yet another game at home and we had only one shot on target. The fact that we weren't as awful as we usually are isn't something to be pleased about. We were still poor.
The shots on target thing that keeps getting repeated doesn't really tell the story. Benteke at his sharpest would have scored three yesterday with the chances he had but was either just wide, just over or hit the post.
It doesn't help, we still lost, but it's a misleading statistic with which to summarise a game.
No it really isn't. No matter about how unlucky you are in a single match if you're only averaging 1-2 shots on target over a prolonged period you're not going to score very many goals. Given the average conversion rate of shots on target to goals is about 30-35% (from all shots is about 15% but getting exact figures isn't easy) our number of goals this season is almost perfectly in line (statistically) with the league averages so pointing out missed chances, etc doesn't matter, we're not scoring enough goals because we don't shoot enough. If we were statistically well out of line with expectations then I'd have some sympathy and hope that it really was just a patch where things weren't going for us (e.g Benteke's conversion rate in his first few games was statistically lower than expected but ended up being above average by the end of the season) but that's just not the case.
This is the problem - whilst me may well feel aggrieved about the circumstances yesterday yet another game with only one shot on target is the real issue.
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I'm very dubious about the shots-on-target statistic. It's a statistic which assumes that a thirty-yard dribbler into the keeper's arms is more worthy of record than a penalty which hits the post (which, by the way, counts as off-target - commentators often get in a muddle).
No single statistic ever tells the full story. To get some gauge of things you need to put together possession, territory, shots overall, shots on target, distance covered etc., actually watch the bloody game and, above all, count the points. It's the last one which damns Lambert the most.
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Sanchez was horrific against Arsenal. He was good against QPR for 60 minutes, ran out of steam and was horrific after that. He was poor again yesterday as any bit of pressure on him forced an error.
However, what he showed against QPR was plenty of ability, and indeed in the World Cup. What he needs though is 3-4 months of games to really get adjusted to the pace of the game. He needs to build his stamina for this level. He needs to build up his composure and get to that point where he can think a move ahead. It took Stan a good year to adjust. He used to get caught on the ball countless times.
He'll come good but he's going to struggle somewhat against the better sides in the league, which Arsenal certainly are, and Spurs are comfortably one of the 10 best in the league too.
Lambert needs to help Sanchez too. Perhaps play him against bottom 10, rest him in the bigger games for the time being. And take him off when he runs out of steam rather than running him into the ground. Tiredness breeds mistakes.
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There was a lot to be pleased about yesterday, we looked organised and played some decent football but whatever we do at the moment ends up with another defeat. For all our obvious deficiencies we really are long overdue some luck. That deflection for their goal, for instance, never seems to happen for us.
There was nothing to be pleased about. We lost yet another game at home and we had only one shot on target. The fact that we weren't as awful as we usually are isn't something to be pleased about. We were still poor.
The shots on target thing that keeps getting repeated doesn't really tell the story. Benteke at his sharpest would have scored three yesterday with the chances he had but was either just wide, just over or hit the post.
It doesn't help, we still lost, but it's a misleading statistic with which to summarise a game.
No it really isn't. No matter about how unlucky you are in a single match if you're only averaging 1-2 shots on target over a prolonged period you're not going to score very many goals. Given the average conversion rate of shots on target to goals is about 30-35% (from all shots is about 15% but getting exact figures isn't easy) our number of goals this season is almost perfectly in line (statistically) with the league averages so pointing out missed chances, etc doesn't matter, we're not scoring enough goals because we don't shoot enough. If we were statistically well out of line with expectations then I'd have some sympathy and hope that it really was just a patch where things weren't going for us (e.g Benteke's conversion rate in his first few games was statistically lower than expected but ended up being above average by the end of the season) but that's just not the case.
Yes, it really is. Bald statistics never tell the whole story and the over use of them is one of the many annoying traits of modern football. For example it counts a feeble shot the trickles through to the keeper but ignores one that hits the bar.
We lost the game because Benteke missed the sort of chance that he puts away when he is on his game.
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I'm very dubious about the shots-on-target statistic. It's a statistic which assumes that a thirty-yard dribbler into the keeper's arms is more worthy of record than a penalty which hits the post (which, by the way, counts as off-target - commentators often get in a muddle).
No single statistic every tells the full story. To get some gauge of things you need to put together possession, territory, shots overall, shots on target, distance covered etc., actually watch the bloody game and, above all, count the points. It's the last one which damns Lambert the most.
On almost all the stats which matter we're near the bottom of the league. Shots, Shots on target, possession, and of course points.
Yesterday was little better. I can't be content with being marginally less shit than normal (and still losing). We need drastic improvement, and that will probably only come from new management.
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There was a lot to be pleased about yesterday, we looked organised and played some decent football but whatever we do at the moment ends up with another defeat. For all our obvious deficiencies we really are long overdue some luck. That deflection for their goal, for instance, never seems to happen for us.
There was nothing to be pleased about. We lost yet another game at home and we had only one shot on target. The fact that we weren't as awful as we usually are isn't something to be pleased about. We were still poor.
The shots on target thing that keeps getting repeated doesn't really tell the story. Benteke at his sharpest would have scored three yesterday with the chances he had but was either just wide, just over or hit the post.
It doesn't help, we still lost, but it's a misleading statistic with which to summarise a game.
No it really isn't. No matter about how unlucky you are in a single match if you're only averaging 1-2 shots on target over a prolonged period you're not going to score very many goals. Given the average conversion rate of shots on target to goals is about 30-35% (from all shots is about 15% but getting exact figures isn't easy) our number of goals this season is almost perfectly in line (statistically) with the league averages so pointing out missed chances, etc doesn't matter, we're not scoring enough goals because we don't shoot enough. If we were statistically well out of line with expectations then I'd have some sympathy and hope that it really was just a patch where things weren't going for us (e.g Benteke's conversion rate in his first few games was statistically lower than expected but ended up being above average by the end of the season) but that's just not the case.
Yes, it really is. Bald statistics never tell the whole story and the over use of them is one of the many annoying traits of modern football. For example it counts a feeble shot the trickles through to the keeper but ignores one that hits the bar.
We lost the game because Benteke missed the sort of chance that he puts away when he is on his game.
Statistics don't always tell the whole story but combined with watching it with your own eyes gives a fair indication as to how we are playing, and have been for ages.
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The general consensus at work with all my Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea supporting colleagues is that they thought we deserved to win and Benteke was unlucky not to be told to calm down.
That anyway is the opinions of people who don't care how we got on and watched the match as a neutral.
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I agree that statistics don't tell the whole story. But I doubt it's coincidence that we have some of the poorest statistics in the league for possession, attempts at goal, attempts on target etc and we are now rapidly falling down the table.
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The general consensus at work with all my Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea supporting colleagues is that they thought we deserved to win and Benteke was unlucky not to be told to calm down.
That anyway is the opinions of people who don't care how we got on and watched the match as a neutral.
That's what my Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool and City-supporting friends thought as well. Sometimes the outsider view is helpful.
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There was a lot to be pleased about yesterday, we looked organised and played some decent football but whatever we do at the moment ends up with another defeat. For all our obvious deficiencies we really are long overdue some luck. That deflection for their goal, for instance, never seems to happen for us.
There was nothing to be pleased about. We lost yet another game at home and we had only one shot on target. The fact that we weren't as awful as we usually are isn't something to be pleased about. We were still poor.
The shots on target thing that keeps getting repeated doesn't really tell the story. Benteke at his sharpest would have scored three yesterday with the chances he had but was either just wide, just over or hit the post.
It doesn't help, we still lost, but it's a misleading statistic with which to summarise a game.
No it really isn't. No matter about how unlucky you are in a single match if you're only averaging 1-2 shots on target over a prolonged period you're not going to score very many goals. Given the average conversion rate of shots on target to goals is about 30-35% (from all shots is about 15% but getting exact figures isn't easy) our number of goals this season is almost perfectly in line (statistically) with the league averages so pointing out missed chances, etc doesn't matter, we're not scoring enough goals because we don't shoot enough. If we were statistically well out of line with expectations then I'd have some sympathy and hope that it really was just a patch where things weren't going for us (e.g Benteke's conversion rate in his first few games was statistically lower than expected but ended up being above average by the end of the season) but that's just not the case.
Yes, it really is. Bald statistics never tell the whole story and the over use of them is one of the many annoying traits of modern football. For example it counts a feeble shot the trickles through to the keeper but ignores one that hits the bar.
We lost the game because Benteke missed the sort of chance that he puts away when he is on his game.
What about the chances Spurs had but didn't take?
We almost conceded in the first couple of minutes, and Adebayor also missed the sort of chance he normally takes.
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I actually think sanchez is one of our best players by far but he likes to give the opposition the chance to score goals . lets out he stops doing it.
He was abysmal yesterday. Error after error after error. Rarely have I seen anyone so inept.
You can't have been watching football very long if you haven't seen anyone worse than Sanchez. Why do people make thoughtless posts like this?
2 of the statements are factually correct, the other is my opinion based on 45 years of watching football.
What qualifies you to judge my post as thoughtless?
So in 45 years of watching football, Carlos Sanchez is one of the worst players you ever seen?
As I said in my post, his performance yesterday was abysmal and I rarely see anyone so inept.
You appear to be inferring more from my post - that's your issue not mine.
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Sanchez in both the last two games has looked pretty decent. The problem is he looks great for 89 minutes, then in the other minute drops a bollock that totally undoes all his good work.
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Sanchez in both the last two games has looked pretty decent. The problem is he looks great for 89 minutes, then in the other minute drops a bollock that totally undoes all his good work.
Not very often I disagree with you but he wasn't great for 89 minutes yesterday. He made countless errors throughout the game.
He wasn't the only one (on both sides) and I'm not pinning the defeat on him. Football at this level comes down to minor differences - you have to do the basics without error or you get beat. Too many players made too many errors yesterday for us to win - it's as simple as that.
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There was a lot to be pleased about yesterday, we looked organised and played some decent football but whatever we do at the moment ends up with another defeat. For all our obvious deficiencies we really are long overdue some luck. That deflection for their goal, for instance, never seems to happen for us.
There was nothing to be pleased about. We lost yet another game at home and we had only one shot on target. The fact that we weren't as awful as we usually are isn't something to be pleased about. We were still poor.
The shots on target thing that keeps getting repeated doesn't really tell the story. Benteke at his sharpest would have scored three yesterday with the chances he had but was either just wide, just over or hit the post.
It doesn't help, we still lost, but it's a misleading statistic with which to summarise a game.
No it really isn't. No matter about how unlucky you are in a single match if you're only averaging 1-2 shots on target over a prolonged period you're not going to score very many goals. Given the average conversion rate of shots on target to goals is about 30-35% (from all shots is about 15% but getting exact figures isn't easy) our number of goals this season is almost perfectly in line (statistically) with the league averages so pointing out missed chances, etc doesn't matter, we're not scoring enough goals because we don't shoot enough. If we were statistically well out of line with expectations then I'd have some sympathy and hope that it really was just a patch where things weren't going for us (e.g Benteke's conversion rate in his first few games was statistically lower than expected but ended up being above average by the end of the season) but that's just not the case.
Yes, it really is. Bald statistics never tell the whole story and the over use of them is one of the many annoying traits of modern football. For example it counts a feeble shot the trickles through to the keeper but ignores one that hits the bar.
We lost the game because Benteke missed the sort of chance that he puts away when he is on his game.
Statistics don't always tell the whole story but combined with watching it with your own eyes gives a fair indication as to how we are playing, and have been for ages.
The evidence of my eyes from my seat in the Holte End yesterday was that we were the better team and should have won. Which we probably would have, despite the missed chances, if Benteke had kept his composure.
Overall this season we have probably got what we deserved but yesterday was different.
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The general consensus at work with all my Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea supporting colleagues is that they thought we deserved to win and Benteke was unlucky not to be told to calm down.
That anyway is the opinions of people who don't care how we got on and watched the match as a neutral.
That's what my Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool and City-supporting friends thought as well. Sometimes the outsider view is helpful.
same with my colleagues today too, usual mix of teams, plus Southampton and Fulham too, all thought exactly as above.
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Both Chris and Monty are making the mistake of singling out examples, stats don't work that way. Yes 100 shots on target might include a few that had 0% chance of being a goal but it will also include a few like Weimann's yesterday which are 100% goals as soon as they leave the foot. These, and the whole range of shots in between, average out over time.
As I said before, over a decent dataset the conversion rate of shot on target to goals is always somewhere near 1 in 3 (it's 33.14% for the premier league this season). After 10 games you can start to see some pattern to the statistics ( I don't care if you like stats or not, they're still true and still valid) and that is that we've been slightly below average in our shot conversion which has got us 5 goals from 18 as opposed to the expected 6. Over such a small dataset 1 out is perfectly reasonable deviation.
Any shots and that expected percentage drops with the average conversion rate sitting at around 1 in 9 (I think i put 15% earlier which was too high) again this season in the premier league the average is 10.7% which is about what you'd expect. This one throws us up as an anomoly with 5.6% (5 goals in 89 attempts). So not only are we we getting less shots away than any other side we're also not hitting the target anything like often enough of them ...
So on to shots to shots on target, again statistically this is normally around 1 in 3 and again the premier league average for the season of 31.95% backs this up. We are currently sitting at 21.35%.
As I've said before if you're going to play a defensive style you need high accuracy/conversion when you do get chances, we've actually gone the other way which is why we can't win games. If I could be bothered I'd split the stats between the first 4 games and the subsequent 6 where I'm pretty sure you'd find that we were above average on the conversion ratings early in the season (which is why the style was working) but we've dropped off alarmingly since.
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I think Chris is right (mainly because he said what I said earlier), Benteke with more games under his belt probably socres at least two of his chances. The first one in particular, where he headed way wide when unmarked being the most guilty miss.
We were the better side yesterday and but for events, would have won the game with ease.
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I actually think sanchez is one of our best players by far but he likes to give the opposition the chance to score goals . lets out he stops doing it.
He was abysmal yesterday. Error after error after error. Rarely have I seen anyone so inept.
You can't have been watching football very long if you haven't seen anyone worse than Sanchez. Why do people make thoughtless posts like this?
2 of the statements are factually correct, the other is my opinion based on 45 years of watching football.
What qualifies you to judge my post as thoughtless?
So in 45 years of watching football, Carlos Sanchez is one of the worst players you ever seen?
As I said in my post, his performance yesterday was abysmal and I rarely see anyone so inept.
You appear to be inferring more from my post - that's your issue not mine.
I'm not inferring anything. You said that you have rarely seen anyone so inept and came out with the 'i've been watching football for 45 years' line. My question was a valid one I thought.
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I think the mistake you're making Paul, if I may say, is confusing symptom and cause. To paraphrase an old Jonathan Wilson question, are teams scoring goals because they're having shots, or having shots because they're getting goals?
The reasons that the shots-on-target-to-goals ratio is so high are twofold: firstly, one statistic includes the other - other than own goals, all goals are shots on target; second of all, most goals are scored from inside the penalty area, and close-range at that, and the closer you are to goal then obviously the more likely you are to get your shot on target. The crucial statistic to have is shots from inside the penalty area, though even that's a little arbitrary. All defensive-counterattacking teams have fewer shots-on-target than their opponents, or at least most do, but if you counterattack you have more space to make sure you get the ball into the area with accuracy and time to spare.
Shots-on-target, I have to say, is a bit of a FIFAish statistic (that's to say the video game), which indicates both too much and too little. On its own, it tells you no more about how goals are scored than does the 'goals scored' statistic.
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Both Chris and Monty are making the mistake of singling out examples, stats don't work that way. Yes 100 shots on target might include a few that had 0% chance of being a goal but it will also include a few like Weimann's yesterday which are 100% goals as soon as they leave the foot. These, and the whole range of shots in between, average out over time.
As I said before, over a decent dataset the conversion rate of shot on target to goals is always somewhere near 1 in 3 (it's 33.14% for the premier league this season). After 10 games you can start to see some pattern to the statistics ( I don't care if you like stats or not, they're still true and still valid) and that is that we've been slightly below average in our shot conversion which has got us 5 goals from 18 as opposed to the expected 6. Over such a small dataset 1 out is perfectly reasonable deviation.
Any shots and that expected percentage drops with the average conversion rate sitting at around 1 in 9 (I think i put 15% earlier which was too high) again this season in the premier league the average is 10.7% which is about what you'd expect. This one throws us up as an anomoly with 5.6% (5 goals in 89 attempts). So not only are we we getting less shots away than any other side we're also not hitting the target anything like often enough of them ...
So on to shots to shots on target, again statistically this is normally around 1 in 3 and again the premier league average for the season of 31.95% backs this up. We are currently sitting at 21.35%.
As I've said before if you're going to play a defensive style you need high accuracy/conversion when you do get chances, we've actually gone the other way which is why we can't win games. If I could be bothered I'd split the stats between the first 4 games and the subsequent 6 where I'm pretty sure you'd find that we were above average on the conversion ratings early in the season (which is why the style was working) but we've dropped off alarmingly since.
But we are making comments about yesterday, not the season as a whole, as it is the post match thread.
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I actually think sanchez is one of our best players by far but he likes to give the opposition the chance to score goals . lets out he stops doing it.
He was abysmal yesterday. Error after error after error. Rarely have I seen anyone so inept.
You can't have been watching football very long if you haven't seen anyone worse than Sanchez. Why do people make thoughtless posts like this?
hes better than David Hunt
fook me - he was bad but I only paid a fiver for my tickets in them days so at least we had a laugh at how bad he was
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Sylla was 50/100 times worse than Sanchez. Who I think will become a very decent player for us in time.
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I actually think sanchez is one of our best players by far but he likes to give the opposition the chance to score goals . lets out he stops doing it.
He was abysmal yesterday. Error after error after error. Rarely have I seen anyone so inept.
You can't have been watching football very long if you haven't seen anyone worse than Sanchez. Why do people make thoughtless posts like this?
2 of the statements are factually correct, the other is my opinion based on 45 years of watching football.
What qualifies you to judge my post as thoughtless?
So in 45 years of watching football, Carlos Sanchez is one of the worst players you ever seen?
As I said in my post, his performance yesterday was abysmal and I rarely see anyone so inept.
You appear to be inferring more from my post - that's your issue not mine.
I'm not inferring anything. You said that you have rarely seen anyone so inept and came out with the 'i've been watching football for 45 years' line. My question was a valid one I thought.
His performance was one of the most inept I've seen in 45 years. However, I don't judge players overall abilities based on 1 or 2 performances. I make considered judgements and therefore made no assertions as to whether this was 'a bad day at the office' or if he is inherently a bad player.
You inferred the latter and in doing so critiqued my far from isolated opinion as thoughtless, but as I said before, those are your issues not mine.
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Statistics don't always tell the whole story but combined with watching it with your own eyes gives a fair indication as to how we are playing, and have been for ages.
The evidence of my eyes from my seat in the Holte End yesterday was that we were the better team and should have won. Which we probably would have, despite the missed chances, if Benteke had kept his composure.
Overall this season we have probably got what we deserved but yesterday was different.
Not going to quote everything but we had 12 shots, 1 on target (8.33% below average) and scored 1 (8.33% of shots so below average but an above average 100%) of shots on target.
They had 18 shots, 7 on target (above average 38.88%)and scored 2 (11.11% of shots, which is about average and a slightly below average 28.57%)
If you replayed that game over and over and always had those same shooting statistics they'd win more often than not.
I get what you're saying about us being the better team when you're watching, I agree we were, but we not converting that performance into chances or goals, which is where Lambert needs to be held to task.
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I actually think sanchez is one of our best players by far but he likes to give the opposition the chance to score goals . lets out he stops doing it.
He was abysmal yesterday. Error after error after error. Rarely have I seen anyone so inept.
You can't have been watching football very long if you haven't seen anyone worse than Sanchez. Why do people make thoughtless posts like this?
2 of the statements are factually correct, the other is my opinion based on 45 years of watching football.
What qualifies you to judge my post as thoughtless?
So in 45 years of watching football, Carlos Sanchez is one of the worst players you ever seen?
As I said in my post, his performance yesterday was abysmal and I rarely see anyone so inept.
You appear to be inferring more from my post - that's your issue not mine.
I'm not inferring anything. You said that you have rarely seen anyone so inept and came out with the 'i've been watching football for 45 years' line. My question was a valid one I thought.
His performance was one of the most inept I've seen in 45 years. However, I don't judge players overall abilities based on 1 or 2 performances. I make considered judgements and therefore made no assertions as to whether this was 'a bad day at the office' or if he is inherently a bad player.
You inferred the latter and in doing so critiqued my far from isolated opinion as thoughtless, but as I said before, those are your issues not mine.
Fair enough, but maybe you could have worded your post a little better than 'I rarely see anyone so inept' which did sound like you were saying he's one of the worst players you've ever seen. Personally, I didn't think he was as bad as some people have said he was and I think if we give him time, he'll cut out the silly fouls and be a valuable player for us.
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Sylla was 50/100 times worse than Sanchez. Who I think will become a very decent player for us in time.
Agreed on both counts.
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I think the mistake you're making Paul, if I may say, is confusing symptom and cause. To paraphrase an old Jonathan Wilson question, are teams scoring goals because they're having shots, or having shots because they're getting goals?
The reasons that the shots-on-target-to-goals ratio is so high are twofold: firstly, one statistic includes the other - other than own goals, all goals are shots on target; second of all, most goals are scored from inside the penalty area, and close-range at that, and the closer you are to goal then obviously the more likely you are to get your shot on target. The crucial statistic to have is shots from inside the penalty area, though even that's a little arbitrary. All defensive-counterattacking teams have fewer shots-on-target than their opponents, or at least most do, but if you counterattack you have more space to make sure you get the ball into the area with accuracy and time to spare.
Shots-on-target, I have to say, is a bit of a FIFAish statistic (that's to say the video game), which indicates both too much and too little. On its own, it tells you no more about how goals are scored than does the 'goals scored' statistic.
In a single game all stats can be misleading that's unavoidable, statistical analysis is all about the quality of the dataset and 1 game doesn't provide anything like enough to be useful. However over the more games the value of the stats improves and generally everything starts to fall in line with expectations, I'm sure if you took all Lambert's games and applied the same modelling and then took a sample of 98 consecutive games from anyone else you'd be able to predict roughly how their team performed over that time almost entirely on shots on target for and against.
Moving on the whole point of my adding stats is more to highlight my problem around the bit in bold. You're correct in what you say, if you look at sides that are very much counter-attacking teams you generally find a pattern where the percentage of shots on target is above average and the percentages of shots that end in goals is similarly higher than expected. We're the opposite, we're not hitting the target enough and subsequently not scoring enough. When you add in a leaky defence it's clear that we're not capable of playing this way.
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Statistics don't always tell the whole story but combined with watching it with your own eyes gives a fair indication as to how we are playing, and have been for ages.
The evidence of my eyes from my seat in the Holte End yesterday was that we were the better team and should have won. Which we probably would have, despite the missed chances, if Benteke had kept his composure.
Overall this season we have probably got what we deserved but yesterday was different.
Not going to quote everything but we had 12 shots, 1 on target (8.33% below average) and scored 1 (8.33% of shots so below average but an above average 100%) of shots on target.
They had 18 shots, 7 on target (above average 38.88%)and scored 2 (11.11% of shots, which is about average and a slightly below average 28.57%)
If you replayed that game over and over and always had those same shooting statistics they'd win more often than not.
I get what you're saying about us being the better team when you're watching, I agree we were, but we not converting that performance into chances or goals, which is where Lambert needs to be held to task.
And we may have been the better team yesterday, at least until the sending off but there are few times that you could that this season. Or last. Or even the ones before that.
Realise this is the post match thread, but we have been on a downward curve for ages now. If you keep hanging around the bottom 6 as we seem to be doing, sooner or later you will end up getting sucked in.
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I think Sanchez has made more headers in the middle of the park than almost all the others put together over the last couple of seasons
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The general consensus at work with all my Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea supporting colleagues is that they thought we deserved to win and Benteke was unlucky not to be told to calm down.
That anyway is the opinions of people who don't care how we got on and watched the match as a neutral.
That's what my Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool and City-supporting friends thought as well. Sometimes the outsider view is helpful.
same with my colleagues today too, usual mix of teams, plus Southampton and Fulham too, all thought exactly as above.
Which is what the ref told their players after a raised arm in the face and two two footed lunges, of which two were certainly red card offences.
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First off all Sanchez needs time to settle into the English game we're only ten games in and he has barely started any of those games so get off his back! ::)
Second were much better yesterday and really unlucky not to get a draw at least. Both Benteke and Weinmann worked really hard up front and Benteke does make a big difference as the target man up top. Think the ref lost control of the game, yes it was right to send Benteke off, but a better official would have gotten on top of things before it got to that point. At least one Spurs player deserved a booking from that incident too.
Sometimes you need a bit of luck and it went Spurs way yesterday. Can see us struggling at West Ham given their form at home and us being without Benteke.
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So both teams charged with failing to control their players.How about the ref being charged for losing control of the players FA?
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So both teams charged with failing to control their players.How about the ref being charged for losing control of the players FA?
Agreed he was really poor.