I can think of several good things about this game, but none of them are primarily about the manager.
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on November 02, 2014, 10:30:20 PMI can think of several good things about this game, but none of them are primarily about the manager.I defend him often, but even I know he's been shite recently. Today, however, I think he didn't do too much wrong.
Actually thought Sanchez and N'Zogbia were both good up until they ran out of steam and taking Zog off was a bad error .
So much for my pre season theory that nobody would have a pop at our players within 20 yards of Keane. I did not see much input from him or Lambert when Benteke got suckered ten feet away from them.
Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on November 02, 2014, 10:34:14 PMQuote from: pauliewalnuts on November 02, 2014, 10:30:20 PMI can think of several good things about this game, but none of them are primarily about the manager.I defend him often, but even I know he's been shite recently. Today, however, I think he didn't do too much wrong. His team lost another game. That's 6 on the trot.
Quote from: brian green on November 02, 2014, 10:36:54 PMSo much for my pre season theory that nobody would have a pop at our players within 20 yards of Keane. I did not see much input from him or Lambert when Benteke got suckered ten feet away from them.I noticed that when Benteke hit the post, the camera panned to our bench, they were all jumping up, heads in hands, and Keane was just staring at the ground.
Quote from: villan from luton on November 02, 2014, 09:45:49 PMQuote from: tomd2103 on November 02, 2014, 09:25:47 PMQuote from: Monty on November 02, 2014, 07:38:02 PMQuote from: tomd2103 on November 02, 2014, 07:32:43 PMQuote from: Monty on November 02, 2014, 07:28:08 PMReading the match reports, everyone thinks we were hard done by, that the red was harsh and that we were the better team until it happened. Even if the red was warranted, Lambert set up the team in a way which paid off, and he can hardly be blamed for our best player being silly. I think we need to be honest with ourselves - I don't particularly want Lambert as Villa manager, but he was unlucky today.Maybe so Monty, but we still reverted to type after we scored and seemed happy to sit back rather than continue to get at Spurs. There's just a total lack of ambition running through the club. I really disagree with that. Sure, Spurs came back into it, they're a good team in desperate form, and we're in bad form as well and best at counterattacking, so there was nothing odd in that pattern asserting itself. Besides, we created quite a few opportunities between the goal and the red card. It was the sending off which turned the game, particularly as it was our best player getting ejected. That's the only valid analysis of the game, I think.I was at the game, so would have to watch it again, but I seem to remember a clear drop in attacking intent after we scored. That might have been down to what has happened in the past few games, but we have done it many times before. I think you are right to a certain extent. I recall a couple of changes for Spurs straight after Kane came on but equally they struggled to create anything either until the first goal. The sort of game a better Villa team would have seen out 1-0
Quote from: tomd2103 on November 02, 2014, 09:25:47 PMQuote from: Monty on November 02, 2014, 07:38:02 PMQuote from: tomd2103 on November 02, 2014, 07:32:43 PMQuote from: Monty on November 02, 2014, 07:28:08 PMReading the match reports, everyone thinks we were hard done by, that the red was harsh and that we were the better team until it happened. Even if the red was warranted, Lambert set up the team in a way which paid off, and he can hardly be blamed for our best player being silly. I think we need to be honest with ourselves - I don't particularly want Lambert as Villa manager, but he was unlucky today.Maybe so Monty, but we still reverted to type after we scored and seemed happy to sit back rather than continue to get at Spurs. There's just a total lack of ambition running through the club. I really disagree with that. Sure, Spurs came back into it, they're a good team in desperate form, and we're in bad form as well and best at counterattacking, so there was nothing odd in that pattern asserting itself. Besides, we created quite a few opportunities between the goal and the red card. It was the sending off which turned the game, particularly as it was our best player getting ejected. That's the only valid analysis of the game, I think.I was at the game, so would have to watch it again, but I seem to remember a clear drop in attacking intent after we scored. That might have been down to what has happened in the past few games, but we have done it many times before. I think you are right to a certain extent.
Quote from: Monty on November 02, 2014, 07:38:02 PMQuote from: tomd2103 on November 02, 2014, 07:32:43 PMQuote from: Monty on November 02, 2014, 07:28:08 PMReading the match reports, everyone thinks we were hard done by, that the red was harsh and that we were the better team until it happened. Even if the red was warranted, Lambert set up the team in a way which paid off, and he can hardly be blamed for our best player being silly. I think we need to be honest with ourselves - I don't particularly want Lambert as Villa manager, but he was unlucky today.Maybe so Monty, but we still reverted to type after we scored and seemed happy to sit back rather than continue to get at Spurs. There's just a total lack of ambition running through the club. I really disagree with that. Sure, Spurs came back into it, they're a good team in desperate form, and we're in bad form as well and best at counterattacking, so there was nothing odd in that pattern asserting itself. Besides, we created quite a few opportunities between the goal and the red card. It was the sending off which turned the game, particularly as it was our best player getting ejected. That's the only valid analysis of the game, I think.I was at the game, so would have to watch it again, but I seem to remember a clear drop in attacking intent after we scored. That might have been down to what has happened in the past few games, but we have done it many times before.
Quote from: tomd2103 on November 02, 2014, 07:32:43 PMQuote from: Monty on November 02, 2014, 07:28:08 PMReading the match reports, everyone thinks we were hard done by, that the red was harsh and that we were the better team until it happened. Even if the red was warranted, Lambert set up the team in a way which paid off, and he can hardly be blamed for our best player being silly. I think we need to be honest with ourselves - I don't particularly want Lambert as Villa manager, but he was unlucky today.Maybe so Monty, but we still reverted to type after we scored and seemed happy to sit back rather than continue to get at Spurs. There's just a total lack of ambition running through the club. I really disagree with that. Sure, Spurs came back into it, they're a good team in desperate form, and we're in bad form as well and best at counterattacking, so there was nothing odd in that pattern asserting itself. Besides, we created quite a few opportunities between the goal and the red card. It was the sending off which turned the game, particularly as it was our best player getting ejected. That's the only valid analysis of the game, I think.
Quote from: Monty on November 02, 2014, 07:28:08 PMReading the match reports, everyone thinks we were hard done by, that the red was harsh and that we were the better team until it happened. Even if the red was warranted, Lambert set up the team in a way which paid off, and he can hardly be blamed for our best player being silly. I think we need to be honest with ourselves - I don't particularly want Lambert as Villa manager, but he was unlucky today.Maybe so Monty, but we still reverted to type after we scored and seemed happy to sit back rather than continue to get at Spurs. There's just a total lack of ambition running through the club.
Reading the match reports, everyone thinks we were hard done by, that the red was harsh and that we were the better team until it happened. Even if the red was warranted, Lambert set up the team in a way which paid off, and he can hardly be blamed for our best player being silly. I think we need to be honest with ourselves - I don't particularly want Lambert as Villa manager, but he was unlucky today.
Very frustrating and gifting those obnoxious wankers the cause for celebrations akin to winning the treble and having the 'pleasure' of walking out the ground amongst them made it far worse.For all Lambert's failings before and during this game it WAS the officials total incompetence and bias towards those annoying cheating twats epitomised by that little shit Mason that gave the points to them.Fuming .
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on November 02, 2014, 10:37:56 PMQuote from: brian green on November 02, 2014, 10:36:54 PMSo much for my pre season theory that nobody would have a pop at our players within 20 yards of Keane. I did not see much input from him or Lambert when Benteke got suckered ten feet away from them.I noticed that when Benteke hit the post, the camera panned to our bench, they were all jumping up, heads in hands, and Keane was just staring at the ground.Probably had his mind on the jungle .