Aston Villa vs Tottenham Post-Match Thread

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One thing I will say about Kane, is that he stopped that whopper Lamella from waving an imaginary card around.

[Chris Smith]

There was a lot to be pleased about yesterday, we looked organised and played some decent football but whatever we do at the moment ends up with another defeat. For all our obvious deficiencies we really are long overdue some luck. That deflection for their goal, for instance, never seems to happen for us.

[pbavfckuwait]

The other thing on that Brian, if an opposing team know you have a bit about you and that you are likely to stick together, they may not set out with the intention of winding up Benteke, because with a bit of nous players would see what was happening and ensure the Spud wankers were aware that we had wised up and would target certain individuals on their team. Christ sake I use to be part of teams that did that at Parks football over 30 years ago.

But prior to the game on one of the threads I mentioned what I believed as the lack of footballing intelligence with our players, not helped by the lack of managerial intelligence shown by Lambert and our Leg end Keane, this shows on a regular basis on our ability not to close a game out and also raise a fair amount of notice when things go wrong. I said on my earlier post, Kane was allowed to move the ball for his free kick to a more preferred position, with not one of our players saying a word to that toss pot of a ref, again showing a lack of professionalism.

[Tom_Mc9?]

I don't mind Harry Kane. An average footballer on good form. Unfortunately he scored against us, but who doesn't?

[Ron Manager]

The other thing on that Brian, if an opposing team know you have a bit about you and that you are likely to stick together, they may not set out with the intention of winding up Benteke, because with a bit of nous players would see what was happening and ensure the Spud wankers were aware that we had wised up and would target certain individuals on their team. Christ sake I use to be part of teams that did that at Parks football over 30 years ago.

But prior to the game on one of the threads I mentioned what I believed as the lack of footballing intelligence with our players, not helped by the lack of managerial intelligence shown by Lambert and our Leg end Keane, this shows on a regular basis on our ability not to close a game out and also raise a fair amount of notice when things go wrong. I said on my earlier post, Kane was allowed to move the ball for his free kick to a more preferred position, with not one of our players saying a word to that toss pot of a ref, again showing a lack of professionalism.

Shouldn't Swarbrick have put some shaving cream down to mark the position of the free kick at this crucial momemt in the match?

He might be good on the fiddle but makes a very poor referee!

[andyh]

There was a lot to be pleased about yesterday, we looked organised and played some decent football but whatever we do at the moment ends up with another defeat. For all our obvious deficiencies we really are long overdue some luck. That deflection for their goal, for instance, never seems to happen for us.

When was the last time we got ourselves in a position to win a free kick in a dangerous position though, Chris ?
Its not only the lack of shots or shots on target where we are devoid.
I think we lack the nous and guile anywhere around the box where we should maybe 'buy a free kick'.
Petrov was the master of getting 'cheap' free kicks to either break up play, relieve pressure or get free kicks around the box.

I'm not advocating cheating, but the team certainly needs to be wiser when there is an advantage to be gained.
Maybe thats down to coaching !!! 

[Chris Smith]

Andy, that is something that was mentioned in the pub after the game - we just aren't very streetwise in those situations.

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We have missed Petrov's arse winning us free kicks. If he ever looked like losing the ball, he'd stick his arse out and the referee would blow up.

[andyh]

We have missed Petrov's arse winning us free kicks. If he ever looked like losing the ball, he'd stick his arse out and the referee would blow up.

I have a picture now of Petrov cheekily sticking his arse out and a referee exploding !

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[pbavfckuwait]

Chris, as I said earlier and I am blue in the face saying it, we lack football intelligence and our Management team have done nothing about it.
It can be taught, I think you look at a younger Gabby when that tosser O'Neil was here, he made him more aware of what was happening around him, plus we had players like Petrov, Young , Milner all players who had a certain savvy about them and played a professional game professionally.
Another example yesterday, Vlaar was called over towards the end of the Benteke incident, obviously asked the ref why he was sending him off, when told just shrugged his shoulders at Benteke and walked away, no protesting with the ref, no reminding the ref of all the shoves that had occurred, of the two footed tackles that had been made, just shrugged and accepted.

[Tom_Mc9?]

With Petrov's arse and Ashley's diving, we were in a freekick glut under O'Neill. We're probably just evening it out now.

[supertom]

With Petrov's arse and Ashley's diving, we were in a freekick glut under O'Neill. We're probably just evening it out now.

I don't think we cheat enough now. I don't think we're savvy enough. All the top clubs have that dirty streak in them, particularly as they know they'll get the favourable decisions, but a lot of other clubs and players will do that.
What I thought was absolutely brilliant about Swiss Phil in the Liverpool game was the way he knobbled Balotelli all game. He just kept on at him, winding the bastard up and it worked like a charm.

It's not good. It's not a nice part of the game. But in the modern SKY top 4 Wank fest League, cheating is part and parcel of the game. If you can't beat em, join em.
Gabby used to win shitloads of freekicks with his running. Did he always go over honestly? Probably not. We need him at his best. Likewise I want to see Zogbia full pelting it against fullbacks. All it takes is a stray leg and you've got your invitation to a freekick/pen. We should take a leaf out of Robbens book. He's one of the worlds best players, and he's also one of the slyest, dirtiest, cheating little pillocks in the history of the game. But it works, and there-in lies a potential avenue for success.

[SW9-VILLA]

One thing I will say about Kane, is that he stopped that whopper Lamella from waving an imaginary card around.

Exactly. A bit embarrassing seeing everyone having a go at Kane. A likeable character amongst the rest of that mob. Didn't do much wrong apart from come on, work hard and turn the game for Spurs with a bit of good fortune. He's also from Spurs' catchment area. Can't say we wouldn't love someone similar at our place.

[oldtimernow]

we've got to accept that the way the game is set up today we are in the class of no-matters....we're not Londoners , we're not Northerners, we're not part of the Sky set...we're just there to make up the numbers to provide those who are with the easy pickings.

The only way we can change that is to get wise to their tricks and not fall for  them and get nasty if that's the way to go.

Do I want that for my club  ...not really but perhaps we need to adopt the Millwall mentality