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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on December 31, 2012, 08:11:09 PM
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Available Tuesday evening.
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Stopped the rot and scored twice. I'd have taken a point before the match and right up until we took the lead. Gutting though.
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Can't complain too much about that result, considering the penalty they should have had.
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Settle for that before the start.
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So close, but there were signs of improvement there
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Good result in context. Stopped the rot which was important.
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Positives to be taken for the first time in four games. Onwards and upwards.
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Showed spirit so can't complain but a point is still welcome given other results
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Think in a very strange way that of we'd have held on it would have just papered the cracks (in terms of just how many new additions we need)
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Useful point, but should never have let them have the ball at the end that's what cost us. Benteke and Weimann are good, Lowton is good, Westwood is good, Guzan is good and the rest really aren't.
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That's a good draw. Stopped the rot, put a bit of belief back in the team, that yet again was the youngest ever.
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I would have settled for a point before the game, gutted we couldn't hang on for another couple of minutes. Still unbeaten this year though....
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Ref was shit. Swansea were falling over for free kicks and Michus chop on Westy was nasty. Should have held on and won.
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Can't complain too much about that result, considering the penalty they should have had.
Disagrees shouldn't have even been a free-kick!
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Injuries are a massive problem.Good point though.
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Rot stopped at least.
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Okay so we could have won, but that draw, the second half performance and the glimmer of some self-belief at last will be massive.
A couple of astute signings and we'll be okay.
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Well, the second half showed that with some discipline and organisation at the back they can compete with a decent footalling opposition.
Unlucky not to win but with the other results today, a point ain't bad.
Honourable mentions to Lowton, Weimann and Benteke.
CC, Herd and Delph improved beyond belief after half time.
Albrighton was unremitingly bad.
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Villa did not deserve the dropped two points, but they may be crucial at the end of the season...
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So sickening to concede so late but we got a good draw and have something to build on.
For a few minutes the table didn't look too bad.
Get the chequebook out Randy and we will be grand.
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A decent result but another abject performance, particularly first half. Swansea should have been out of sight by half time.
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Hopefully stopped the rot. Bennett worries me awfully.
Michu needs shooting - a super player but a dirty bugger.
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Pride.
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What a massive kick in the stones, but as gutted as we all are with the way it ended up, we'd have taken a point at the start of the day. After a first half of mainly chasing shadows, we were much more steady and disciplined.
The players will be really upset about the result, but it will be better on reflection than what they've dealt with in the last few games.
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A cruel and typical Villa ending, but we should really have lost that game by a fair margin. Happy with the point, and the spirit shown in the second half. We're still an awful, awful football team.
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Gutted at the end but a draw is best we deserved.
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Big worry for me about how badly injured Westwood is.
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Good point considering our back line at the moment. Get some players back fit, maybe a couple of signings in the next 2 weeks and things might start to improve a bit. 1 half fit centre half and no holding midfield at the end of the game is going to make things difficult.
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Fuck it, the rot has been stopped.
Up the Villa
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So close, but there were signs of improvement there
I'm not sure on that, we got absolutely hammered in first half and weren't great in second. It's a good point, but it's also two points lost given when they scored.
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Would have taken a point even after the Liverpool game. Good result. We can forget the Christmas games now and move on.
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Would've took the result before the game, and considering everything we probably didn't quite deserve to win the game. It's stopped the rot and results elsewhere have really gone in our favour so far this afternoon, I'm quite pleased.
This reminds me greatly (as I predicted in the pre-match thread) of the 1-1 with Newcastle 3 games into this season.
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A decent result but another abject performance, particularly first half. Swansea should have been out of sight by half time.
Only the first-half, in the second we were better than them.
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A decent result but another abject performance, particularly first half. Swansea should have been out of sight by half time.
And we should have beaten Arse and Stoke. We didn't; nor did Swansea today.
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Didn't see the game but given the first twenty minutes a point is a good result still. Sounded like the spirit improved after an horrific opening 20 minutes. Benteke and weimann are a good partnership.
None of this should mask the deficiencies in midfield and defence. I don't think I ever want to see herd at cb again, and I don't think Clark should be first choice.
With Westwood getting injured - any views on how serious? - and kea in Africa, surely we absolutely have to get a physically strong central midfielder in?
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Very happy with a point, just heartbreaking we couldnt hold on, a good start to the new year!
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Can't complain too much about that result, considering the penalty they should have had.
Disagrees shouldn't have even been a free-kick!
Bloody hell that was the most obvious penalty I have seen this season!
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Well the Orange Dot got us something. Could really have lost that by 5 or 6 the way they played in the first 20 minutes - as someone said on the match thread the post was our best player - and they should have had a penalty before we got one, so I suppose a point is fair and at least stops the rot. Still gutted though
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Could have won but should have...no. Onwards and upwards & some new players please.
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fuck. couldn't defend and hold our nerve when we needed to, that's really disappointing because coming up with a win today would of been big. oh well, at least we go above wigan...
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2 defenders over 28 yrs of age, a big dominating hard man in the centre who can pass and a number 10 behind Benteke in January please
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Very happy with the point considering how they battered us early on.
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Great point but the injury situation is still a real worry
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I suppose we should be grateful, we're utterly shit but still somehow managed to get a point.
Reading and Wigan losing is a bonus.
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Hope Westwood isn't too seriously injured, because with him we at least have a midfield presence. Now before we play Southampton, we could do with some injured players back and signing 3 quality players, 5 by the end of January.
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Great point but the injury situation is still a real worry
Even more so with Westwood and Clark.
Westwood would be a massive blow. We look a better side with him in it.
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Ref was shit. Swansea were falling over for free kicks and Michus chop on Westy was nasty. Should have held on and won.
Least he gave us a penalty
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2 defenders over 28 yrs of age, a big dominating hard man in the centre who can pass and a number 10 behind Benteke in January please
All but the latter, as long as Weimann and Benteke stay fit we'll be alright if we get a midfielder who can pass to them.
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I am so irritated that Holman didn't try to stop Dyer for the cross for 2-2...strolled past him, didn't back track....AAAARGH
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Rest of teams losing makes it a very good point providing Arsenal stuff Southampton
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Clark looked in tears at the end. It's nice to see players give a shit.
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Atrocious 1st half, much better in the 2nd.
Just about deserved a point. A win would have been a mugging.
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Gutted. The central defence won almost everything in the air all game and fought like lions, just a shame we let that last one in, I really thought Guzan should have done better.
Overall, ouplayed for 35 minutes before we decided to turn up. After that we fought for everything, closed down the space pressed them all over the pitch and with Benteke and Andi up front, always looked threatening. A hard fought point that I would have taken before the game.
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Glad to see the fighting spirit again we haven't seen since Liverpool match. Another point to the total, the rollercoaster continues.
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Obviously that was a real kick in the balls, but considering we would have taken 2-2 before the game, I think we should be saitisfied.
I sensed that there was a bit more belief about us second half, and just maybe, Lambert earned his corn at half time.
Some positives:-
We have stopped the immediate rot.
Players should start coming back from injury.
We may see some signings soon.
A week off from pressure of the league.
Just trying to keep a bright outlook.
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Rubbish collapse at end..turning backs on the ball in goalmouth is kid's stuff..b*ll*cks!!
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A welcome point. Onwards comrades.
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Trying to get over my annoyance at losing the lead in the end but we've got a real partnership up front. That's good.
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Would've took the result before the game, and considering everything we probably didn't quite deserve to win the game. It's stopped the rot and results elsewhere have really gone in our favour so far this afternoon, I'm quite pleased.
This reminds me greatly (as I predicted in the pre-match thread) of the 1-1 with Newcastle 3 games into this season.
But we looked much more impressive against Newcastle that day and probably should have won.
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very happy with scoring and getting a point. let the signings commence
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Can't complain too much about that result, considering the penalty they should have had.
Disagrees shouldn't have even been a free-kick!
Bloody hell that was the most obvious penalty I have seen this season!
Has the law changed of is it still DELIBERATE handball. Bounce happen close to Bennett and hands down only out for balance!
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Just looked at Phsio room, we have 2nd highest number injured / out in the PL. Almost all are on the older side of the squad, Vlaar back for a start ASAP.
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I suppose we should be grateful, we're utterly shit but still somehow managed to get a point.
Reading and Wigan losing is a bonus.
Utterly in the first half. Second half we started to move the ball around a little, like some of our better games this season.
Given that we have been caned so badly in the last three games we certainly should be grateful that, not only have we scored a couple of goals and won our first EPL penalty in 12 months, we have also taken a point from a difficult ground to visit.
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Clark looked in tears at the end. It's nice to see players give a shit.
Clark's defending often has me in tears, so swings and roundabouts.
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Michu's scissors on Westwood should have been a red card - Swansea should have had several other cards as well - we got yellows for a lot less - Halsey as shit as usual, how I wish we never had him or Phil Dowd ever again
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I hope the result doesnt paper over the fact that we did not want the ball and did not want to play football. nigh on every time we played 1 or 2 passes then twatted it long to Benteke to try and do something with. All of the early promise of Lamberts passing and possesion football appears to have evaporated and I dont know why...
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Good point. Hope we have at least one new signing before Southampton.
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I'm coming round to the draw, that would have been a right royal mugging after the first 35 mins when we were shite.
Point earnt.
Messi, Iniesta, Ronaldo & Xavi all boarding Ryan Air tonight to scout out digs in the Mailbox.....
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Five wins and a few draws should see us safe now. In my view we have nine very winnable games left so surely we can win five of those and snatch a few good draws here and there.
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Didn't watch the game, but followed the chatter on the match thread (when I could bear the tension).
Sounds like first half we were atrocious, second much better. It made me think, I am pretty sure that's very similar to the Liverpool match thread.
Anyway, poor as we may have been for long spells, by far the most important thing is that we got a point here, at least something to slow down (if not stop) the rot and begin to build confidence again.
I doubt there's a poster on here who wouldn't have taken a point before the start, so all in all, not a bad result at all.
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Shame to concede right at the death, but they'll take confidence from that and that can only be a good thing. Well battled lads, showed character after an awful first twenty minutes, and in the end good result!
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Gutted. The central defence won almost everything in the air all game and fought like lions, just a shame we let that last one in, I really thought Guzan should have done better.
Overall, ouplayed for 35 minutes before we decided to turn up. After that we fought for everything, closed down the space pressed them all over the pitch and with Benteke and Andi up front, always looked threatening. A hard fought point that I would have taken before the game.
Agree completely. The first third of the game seemed to be residue from the previous three, and yes we were lucky that we weren't behind by more. But we rode our luck and clutching at straws a bit here, won the rest of the game 2-1. I know that's a bit of a stretch but it's a small victory given recent events. The lads will be gutted but in reflection they'll take heart from this point.
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Conflicting emotions. After the utterly shambolic first half hour we could have been 5 down without complaint and thought we'd do well to keep the score respectable. In light of that, a draw is a bonus, it just doesn't feel like it because of how it happened.
The equalising goal seemed to bring the belief back, and we were much better second half, arguably the better team. We gave more support to Benteke and Weimann, who both did very well, and got them worried.
Much as I don't rate Clark, he and Herd did win an awful lot in the air second half.
Gunner Halsey wasn't giving us much, as usual, so I was amazed when he gave the pen, even though it looked plum.
I think Holman could have done better when he let the wide player waltz past him for the late goal.
3 points could have seen a bit of daylight between us and the drop spots but I guess we have to be thankful that we've stopped the rot and got a point at a difficult place to go.
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I hope the result doesnt paper over the fact that we did not want the ball and did not want to play football. nigh on every time we played 1 or 2 passes then twatted it long to Benteke to try and do something with. All of the early promise of Lamberts passing and possesion football appears to have evaporated and I dont know why...
Because for the most part our players aren't good enough to play that kind of football.
As gutted as I am not to get 3 points, hopefully that should give them back a bit of belief and confidence. Onwards and upwards, keep the faith, UTV etc etc etc
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Right we now have 11 days to the next league game. Surely that must be enough time to bring in a player or two and / or get some players back from the treatment table.
That Southampton game's gonna be huge!
I can't figure out what on earth team we're going to play away at Bradford / v Ipswich to be honest. Who plays in midfield? Bannan and Delph? Jesus
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Conflicting emotions. After the utterly shambolic first half hour we could have been 5 down without complaint and thought we'd do well to keep the score respectable. In light of that, a draw is a bonus, it just doesn't feel like it because of how it happened.
The equalising goal seemed to bring the belief back, and we were much better second half, arguably the better team. We gave more support to Benteke and Weimann, who both did very well, and got them worried.
Much as I don't rate Clark, he and Herd did win an awful lot in the air second half.
Gunner Halsey wasn't giving us much, as usual, so I was amazed when he gave the pen, even though it looked plum.
I think Holman could have done better when he let the wide player waltz past him for the late goal.
3 points could have seen a bit of daylight between us and the drop spots but I guess we have to be thankful that we've stopped the rot and got a point at a difficult place to go.
Well summed up.
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Better 2nd half, the midfield decided to track Swansea runs ( which was nice). A good draw against a better team, away from home.
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Just a thought - the linesman flagged for the penalty. Wonder if Halsey would have given it anyway? I'll watch with interest on MOTD to see Halsey's initial reaction
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The average age of the starting line up was 23yrs, 119 days. That says so much about where we've been, where we are and what we desperately need.
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Risso and Rip you are both utterley pointless.. just feck off.
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January can, and I emphasise the word "CAN" be a good/ defining month for us....
Ipswich (H)
Bradford (A)
Southampton (H)
West Brom (A)
Bradford (H)
Newcastle (H)
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Sat in traffic a lot happier.
Very pleased with the point, although in the circumstances you'd have liked to have hung on for the win.
We could have been 5 down inside 15 minutes but weren't, so fuck them.
We sprung into life when the impressive Andi (definitely good enough) got booked for dissent. We suddenly started putting some time into the lace curtain fuckers.
Second half was very even.
Halsey was giving them everything.
Vlaar back, beat Ipswich, smash Bradford, new players in. Give Southampton a spanking and then do the New Coventry.
Fucking c'mon on Villa!
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Risso and Rip you are both utterley pointless.. just feck off.
Cut it out. They're as entitled to their opinions and views as you are.
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Right we now have 11 days to the next league game. Surely that must be enough time to bring in a player or two and / or get some players back from the treatment table.
That Southampton game's gonna be huge!
I can't figure out what on earth team we're going to play away at Bradford / v Ipswich to be honest. Who plays in midfield? Bannan and Delph? Jesus
Do we sacrifice a real chance of silverware? I think we should be more worried about the league. Was hoping we'd be going into the semi with some 21-24 points so we could afford to field our best eleven.
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after 15 minutes I'd have taken a one nil defeat, we were that bad.
Pleased with the point and the fight shown in the second half.
Gutted Westwood got injured.
It just shows how lopsided our squad is when a kid from league two comes in
and is (arguably) our best option in the centre.
Still can't believe how long Bannan had to wait to come on.
Awful there from the referee. But he did give us a pen!
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Swansea should have been out of sight by half time.
They were not and it gave us something to build on. That's football.
Following the previous three games, confidence was low and they just had to hang in there. To come back from going a goal behind to the point of looking the better side in the last 20 minutes shows a determination that has to be admired, not just bring up the negatives all of the time.
We are in the fight of our lives with a bunch of young players. Get behind them sometimes and not knock them all of the time.
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I hope the result doesnt paper over the fact that we did not want the ball and did not want to play football. nigh on every time we played 1 or 2 passes then twatted it long to Benteke to try and do something with. All of the early promise of Lamberts passing and possesion football appears to have evaporated and I dont know why...
It's pretty obvious isn't it? Their confidence is shot. Hopefully today will help a bit. Looking forward to some light relief in the cups
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Risso and Rip you are both utterley pointless.. just feck off.
wow. stick a tampon in it fella
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Swansea should have been out of sight by half time.
They were not and it gave us something to build on. That's football.
Indeed.
You could also say Liverpool should have been out of sight after 30 mins or so at Anfield, but they weren't either.
Strikes me we have a chance to take a positive from something right now. We'd have to be utterly nuts to grab that now, and hope we can build on it.
We have Ipswich in the FAC at the weekend, which is infinitely winnable. We then have a CC tie away at Bradford, which is even more winnable. Win those two, and we've got Southampton at home, a fixture we could approach with a bit of positivity.
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Risso and Rip you are both utterley pointless.. just feck off.
wow. stick a tampon in it fella
We've told him to cut it out. Can you do the same please rather than causing further provocation.
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I hope the result doesnt paper over the fact that we did not want the ball and did not want to play football. nigh on every time we played 1 or 2 passes then twatted it long to Benteke to try and do something with. All of the early promise of Lamberts passing and possesion football appears to have evaporated and I dont know why...
It's pretty obvious isn't it? Their confidence is shot. Hopefully today will help a bit. Looking forward to some light relief in the cups
Surely Lambert can control it from the sidelines to an extent though. I would recommend shouting "dont just twat it" or something along those lines....
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Risso and Rip you are both utterley pointless.. just feck off.
Nope.
You'll read what I write and you'll put up with it.
What are you going to do about it anyway, hard man?
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Halsey is as bigger ****** as Dowd.
He gave us fuck all. It was the linesman that gave the penalty and the corners proceeding it.
They got so much protection it was a joke, while we got nowt.
Hope Westy's injury isn't to bad.
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Risso and Rip you are both utterley pointless.. just feck off.
Nope.
You'll read what I write and you'll put up with it.
What are you going to do about it anyway, hard man?
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All of the early promise of Lamberts passing and possesion football appears to have evaporated and I dont know why...
Injuries, lack of experience and battered confidence.
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Risso and Rip you are both utterley pointless.. just feck off.
Nope.
You'll read what I write and you'll put up with it.
What are you going to do about it anyway, hard man?
(http://tottenhamonmymind.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/vic_bob_handbags.jpg?w=300&h=201)
Best post for WEEKS...
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All of the early promise of Lamberts passing and possesion football appears to have evaporated and I dont know why...
Injuries, lack of experience and battered confidence.
Quite.
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Let's all calm down, shall we?
No point in anyone getting themselves banned.
We got a point, not as nice as the three would have been, but a lot better than what we picked up in the last three games.
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Right we now have 11 days to the next league game. Surely that must be enough time to bring in a player or two and / or get some players back from the treatment table.
That Southampton game's gonna be huge!
I can't figure out what on earth team we're going to play away at Bradford / v Ipswich to be honest. Who plays in midfield? Bannan and Delph? Jesus
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Do we sacrifice a real chance of silverware? I think we should be more worried about the league. Was hoping we'd be going into the semi with some 21-24 points so we could afford to field our best eleven.
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Aston Villa Was Created To Win Silverware. It could turn boys into Men.
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Halsey is as bigger c*** as Dowd.
He gave us fuck all. It was the linesman that gave the penalty and the corners proceeding it.
They got so much protection it was a joke, while we got nowt.
Hope Westy's injury isn't to bad.
Perhaps it's personal with him. Or he's on the take. Whatever it is, Halsey never gives the Villa anything unless he absolutely has to.
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All of the early promise of Lamberts passing and possesion football appears to have evaporated and I dont know why...
Injuries, lack of experience and battered confidence.
The confidence will be absolutely rock bottom.
I don't think for a moment there is enough quality in this squad, but when you look at how many young kids we've been playing, just think how they'd have felt after conceding 8 then 4 goals. Their confidence would have been utterly bollocksed, and it has shown.
When things go well for a good side, confidence soars, when they go badly, it plummets. There's not much of an in between.
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I hope the result doesnt paper over the fact that we did not want the ball and did not want to play football. nigh on every time we played 1 or 2 passes then twatted it long to Benteke to try and do something with. All of the early promise of Lamberts passing and possesion football appears to have evaporated and I dont know why...
Because for the most part our players aren't good enough to play that kind of football.
No, it is pressure and lack of confidence.
It is easier to bring young players into a team that plays a passing game with confidence, rather than a team that is limited in the passing game and has to rely on battling for everything. The main thing with a passing game is that you have more time, time to think and time to reorganise. Last ditch defending and battling in midfield will inevitably lead to young players switching off for a second and that can very costly.
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regardless of the individual players, I think you have to give them all credit, after the last few weeks they must have been shellshocked
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Right we now have 11 days to the next league game. Surely that must be enough time to bring in a player or two and / or get some players back from the treatment table.
That Southampton game's gonna be huge!
I can't figure out what on earth team we're going to play away at Bradford / v Ipswich to be honest. Who plays in midfield? Bannan and Delph? Jesus
Do we sacrifice a real chance of silverware? I think we should be more worried about the league. Was hoping we'd be going into the semi with some 21-24 points so we could afford to field our best eleven.
Right we now have 11 days to the next league game. Surely that must be enough time to bring in a player or two and / or get some players back from the treatment table.
That Southampton game's gonna be huge!
I can't figure out what on earth team we're going to play away at Bradford / v Ipswich to be honest. Who plays in midfield? Bannan and Delph? Jesus
Do we sacrifice a real chance of silverware? I think we should be more worried about the league. Was hoping we'd be going into the semi with some 21-24 points so we could afford to field our best eleven.
Aston Villa Was Created To Win Silverware. It could turn boys into Men.
We could well only play five league games in the next two months. A cup run might be the perfect time to start giving players a try-out.
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We stopped the rot, at the start of the game, I don't think many if any wouldn't take that after the last few weeks. Vlaar coming back will be a big help, I hope he gets another midfielder in January
Confidence of the lads seems shot but Wiemans goal could be a turning point. As ever though, inconsistancy worries me
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Let's face it everyone was fearful of just how many we were going to lose by. So to get anything at all away at a very difficult place is a bonus. I fear this is what our form is going to be like for the rest of the season ie up and down.
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4 4 2 two banks of four a lot more solid lookin Mr Lambert, simple
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Disappointed at the late equaliser, Holman's 'defending' in the build up to the goal was inexcusable.
The route out of the rut we were in was never going to start with a Brazil-like performance. The second half improvement really ought to be given the credit it deserves. They didn't look like hurting us at all until that bloody goal.
The 'pen' they should have had - the ball actually skipped up off Bennett's knee and immediately hit an arm that was not raised above shoulder height. Definitely no foul. Michu on the other hand should have walked for all that he got up to.
Great pen from Benteke who looked a threat again. Excellent strike from Weimann.
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Yes, a couple of cup wins would be perfect preparation for Southampton. More so than having to wait nearly a fortnight without a match.
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Dreadful first 30 minutes and Swansea should have buried us, but we showed character to come back into it and a much more even 2nd half- heartbreaking to concede the equaliser right at the death and also worrying to see Westwood pick up what looked a bad injury.
Time now to improve the squad and bring in 3 or 4 players to boost things-
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Confidence is a strange beast. One goal before halftime and second half its even fare.
That's all it takes.
We need our best players back and fit and we need reinforcements asap, but there is still quality in the squad. Andi, Benteke, Clarke, Lowton and Westwood are all good enough. Chuck in Vlaar, Gabby and three more players for the spine and we will move up this league.
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Can't complain too much about that result, considering the penalty they should have had.
Disagrees shouldn't have even been a free-kick!
Bloody hell that was the most obvious penalty I have seen this season!
got to agree. We were looking right down the line (admittedly from the away end) but he was a few feet inside the box and appeared to move arm to ball.
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They should have been out if sight after 20 mins, our defence / midfield was non-existent. Weimann's goal gave us a lift & 2nd half was even.
Halsey is a cnut & was the worst ref in the premiership unil Dowd appeared, never gave us a thing but any Swansea player they ended up on the floor got a free kick, linesman gave the penalty.
Special mention to Clark who was awful for the first 30 mins but outstanding in the 2nd half. Westwood's injury looks bad, I'd say 6 weeks minimum.
Premiership is the priority, rest them all for the Ipswich game.
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regardless of the individual players, I think you have to give them all credit, after the last few weeks they must have been shellshocked
Good point. It's good to know that even after the 3 spankings we're still up for the fight. The one thing this team currently lacks is confidence, every time we score you can see the instant difference in the play. A win against Ipswich should set the lads up nicely for the Bradford game. We can't just rely on battling performances every game, when need to start showing what we can do with the ball.
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Can't complain too much about that result, considering the penalty they should have had.
Disagrees shouldn't have even been a free-kick!
Bloody hell that was the most obvious penalty I have seen this season!
got to agree. We were looking right down the line (admittedly from the away end) but he was a few feet inside the box and appeared to move arm to ball.
Certainly wasnt a few feet inside the box - was on the edge of the box and could have gone either way- definitely handball though.
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Doesn't sound too good on Westwood judging by Lambert's comments, would be a real blow.
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fans of a football club dont criticise every decision made they look for hope when there is none. Having been off this site over crimbo some of the abuse Lambert and Lerner have taken is shocking. You Fletch and your pal from IOM do nothing to support the club. Hardman? is that an invitation to the Bartons? if so see you against Ipswich. The negativity you spout is shocking.
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Premiership is the priority, rest them all for the Ipswich game.
And play who?
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fans of a football club dont criticise every decision made they look for hope when there is none. Having been off this site over crimbo some of the abuse Lambert and Lerner have taken is shocking. You Fletch and your pal from IOM do nothing to support the club. Hardman? is that an invitation to the Bartons? if so see you against Ipswich. The negativity you spout is shocking.
Again (and for the last time) knock it on the head, please.
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Look its just football.
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fans of a football club dont criticise every decision made they look for hope when there is none. Having been off this site over crimbo some of the abuse Lambert and Lerner have taken is shocking. You Fletch and your pal from IOM do nothing to support the club. Hardman? is that an invitation to the Bartons? if so see you against Ipswich. The negativity you spout is shocking.
I think the critisism shown towards Lerner is warranted, Lambert's treatment on here by some isnt.
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4 4 2 two banks of four a lot more solid lookin Mr Lambert, simple
Except we could have been 4-0 down after 20 minutes. Not so simple in my view
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Direct your ire at those deserving it. The Stripey Filth stood up and applauded on 8 minutes, the small time, Coventry, wankers. ****** like them deserve our anger.
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We crumble like flakey pastry under pressure..we need a strong man or two at the back!
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Can't complain too much about that result, considering the penalty they should have had.
Disagrees shouldn't have even been a free-kick!
Bloody hell that was the most obvious penalty I have seen this season!
got to agree. We were looking right down the line (admittedly from the away end) but he was a few feet inside the box and appeared to move arm to ball.
Certainly wasnt a few feet inside the box - was on the edge of the box and could have gone either way- definitely handball though.
Totally. Based on TV coverage, Bennett was more or less on the line, the ball was played from outside the box and landed, I'd say, less than a foot inside the box. It's debatable if his arm was in or out when it hit his hand, it could have gone either way, and normally Halsey doesn't do us any favours. Possibly debatable if it was deliberate, he was so close to it when it was kicked it would have been difficult to get out of the way. But they tend to be given these days.
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Let's all calm down, shall we?
No point in anyone getting themselves banned.
We got a point, not as nice as the three would have been, but a lot better than what we picked up in the last three games.
Yeah essentially my thoughts, the second half particularly was a step in the right direction. It's now vital we address many of our issues in January.
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Direct your ire at those deserving it. The Stripey Filth stood up and applauded on 8 minutes, the small time, Coventry, wankers. c***s like them deserve our anger.
3 seconds into singing " there's only one Paul Lambert" Fulham went 2-1 up.Couldnt hear a pin drop .Karmas a great thing
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got to agree. We were looking right down the line (admittedly from the away end) but he was a few feet inside the box and appeared to move arm to ball.
Certainly wasnt a few feet inside the box - was on the edge of the box and could have gone either way- definitely handball though.
I agree Eastie. Refs are bound to give the free kick if the ball clips an arm that is not at the player's side. Note that Halsey did not book Bennett, which he would have done if he thought it to be deliberate.
As for whether it was in or out of the box, Bennett was swivelling his body as the ball struck his hand so I think it may well have been on the line (but the whole ball wasn't over the line). Either way, Halsey (a thoroughly dislikeable ref) played this situation very well; obviously he was not convinced about it being inside the box.
And it is some sort of justice given the penalty that was awarded at Citeh against Weimann.
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We were lucky to get away with the penalty, still on the whole Swansea didn't have enough go against them to warrant the whole team hissy fit at the end. Michu didn't get any card for raising his hands, he crocked Westwood - and I thought he knew what he was doing - and they unsportingly didn't give the ball back after.
They can talk about 'playing the right way' as much as they want but I was surprised by how petulant Swansea were at times.
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Direct your ire at those deserving it. The Stripey Filth stood up and applauded on 8 minutes, the small time, Coventry, wankers. c***s like them deserve our anger.
I'm assuming because Swansea went in front? They must be a right sad bunch of twats.
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Direct your ire at those deserving it. The Stripey Filth stood up and applauded on 8 minutes, the small time, Coventry, wankers. c***s like them deserve our anger.
I'm assuming because Swansea went in front? They must be a right sad bunch of twats.
No - they now clap on 8 minutes to celebrate the 8 goals Chelsea put past us. Small time doesn't even begin to describe them
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Taking four points in the season from Swansea is commendable, they're a good team. Disappointing way for it not to be six, but we certainly rode our luck today as well, so fair enough overall.
The Southampton game will be our biggest of the season so far. We absolutely have to win this, otherwise it could be a very uncomfortable second half of the season indeed.
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Direct your ire at those deserving it. The Stripey Filth stood up and applauded on 8 minutes, the small time, Coventry, wankers. c***s like them deserve our anger.
I'm assuming because Swansea went in front? They must be a right sad bunch of twats.
No - they now clap on 8 minutes to celebrate the 8 goals Chelsea put past us. Small time doesn't even begin to describe them
Fuck me. I don't know where to begin with that.
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January can, and I emphasise the word "CAN" be a good/ defining month for us....
Ipswich (H)
Bradford (A)
Southampton (H)
West Brom (A)
Bradford (H)
Newcastle (H)
I will be there watching all these games live to see the kids pull through. A big month and again I predict by the end of the month we will be in a much better position than today.
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Taking four points in the season from Swansea is commendable, they're a good team. Disappointing way for it not to be six, but we certainly rode our luck today as well, so fair enough overall.
The Southampton game will be our biggest of the season so far. We absolutely have to win this, otherwise it could be a very uncomfortable second half of the season indeed.
I hope we play them at Wembley and not Chelsea.
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fans of a football club dont criticise every decision made they look for hope when there is none. Having been off this site over crimbo some of the abuse Lambert and Lerner have taken is shocking. You Fletch and your pal from IOM do nothing to support the club. Hardman? is that an invitation to the Bartons? if so see you against Ipswich. The negativity you spout is shocking.
Look Hippo, I spend plenty of hard earned money following Villa, so I don't know where you get 'you do nothing to support the club.'
As I said in the previous post, I'll write what I think and you'll put up with it.
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Time for all supporters to back this team to the hilt, the more noise from the stands will give this team more encouragement. Sure, they look brutal at times...but now is the time to back them...Remember Cold Blow Lane in the '80's, that Millwall team had No Fear and produced a couple of handy footballers along the way..though i know we bought a genuine dud from them. The Holte must be a place of fear, just like the Demolition Derby Day.
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Apologies to those concerned. We as a club need support at this time not negativity about sacking the manager though. baggies have done that 8 minute thing since chelsea its a direct piss take about our 19th minute applause.
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They can talk about 'playing the right way' as much as they want but I was surprised by how petulant Swansea were at times.
I thought they got more and more frustrated at the way we shut them out in the second half. Not just the petulance, but the degree to which they gave up on the passing game and increasingly played long balls into the box, which in turn made it even easier for us to defend.
For what we needed, I thought it was a very good performance in the second 45.
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We're not going to beat Swansea three times in a season. Two will have to do it.
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Apologies to those concerned.
I should think so too.
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4 4 2 two banks of four a lot more solid lookin Mr Lambert, simple
Except we could have been 4-0 down after 20 minutes. Not so simple in my view
That's down to the confidence in the team IMO, after they had ridden the storm 442 looked loads more solid, not to mention its the system all these kids are used to
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Its Hoppo stop your 'humour' and try to be positive.
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Apologies to those concerned. We as a club need support at this time not negativity about sacking the manager though. baggies have done that 8 minute thing since chelsea its a direct piss take about our 19th minute applause.
Let them carry on, it's so pathetic that it's not even worth getting worked up about, let alone responding to.
Ignore them - that'll wind them up even more.
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Blimey what a choice for our first away game!
They should have had 3 in the first 15 mins but somehow we weathered the storm (maybe practice does make perfect, god knows weve had enough in the last few games ;-) ) then Chris finally found some space to turn and his developing understanding with Andi allowed him to pick the right pass which led to a solid finish.
Half time i'd have taken the point but we looked much better in the second half and continued to create chanes. The penalty resulted from a corner with Chris scoring in front of the away fans from the spot.
Not sure where 5 mins came from (who decides btw?) and maybe we should have held on but its still a valuable point.
Final note, thanks to the 6 players, guzan and the manager who came and thanked the supporters and f*** off bannan you arrogant little sh*t. Ignored us during his warm up and walked off at the end even though PL told him and pointed. We've supported them loyally over a difficult period and this is how he thanks us.
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Premiership is the priority, rest them all for the Ipswich game.
FA cup is the priority ion the next game. There are 17 more league games left to sort ourselves there is only 1 FA cup game.
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fans of a football club dont criticise every decision made they look for hope when there is none. Having been off this site over crimbo some of the abuse Lambert and Lerner have taken is shocking. You Fletch and your pal from IOM do nothing to support the club. Hardman? is that an invitation to the Bartons? if so see you against Ipswich. The negativity you spout is shocking.
Look Hippo, I spend plenty of hard earned money following Villa, so I don't know where you get 'you do nothing to support the club.'
As I said in the previous post, I'll write what I think and you'll put up with it.
And can you wind it in please as well.
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Direct your ire at those deserving it. The Stripey Filth stood up and applauded on 8 minutes, the small time, Coventry, wankers. c***s like them deserve our anger.
I'm assuming because Swansea went in front? They must be a right sad bunch of twats.
No - they now clap on 8 minutes to celebrate the 8 goals Chelsea put past us. Small time doesn't even begin to describe them
Fuck me. I don't know where to begin with that.
Mentioned this in the "is the Baggies still a big game" thread. They were organising it for the game on 19th. Very poor considering the origins of the idea of the 19th minute applause (of which they are totally aware).
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4 4 2 two banks of four a lot more solid lookin Mr Lambert, simple
Except we could have been 4-0 down after 20 minutes. Not so simple in my view
That's down to the confidence in the team IMO, after they had ridden the storm 442 looked loads more solid, not to mention its the system all these kids are used to
It's a 4-4-2 without the ball and more of a 4-2-3-1 with. The important thing is that Benteke and Weimann have such a great understanding between the two of them - one will run beyond and the other will give the midfield more options and help. This ain't the Mike Bassett-esque 4-4-2 of MON, where the midfield two would constantly look isolated and outnumbered - at least one of the forwards (usually Weimann) is always closer to the midfield two to make it a three. It works nicely - we just need to get a better N'Zogbia/Albrighton type and stop - fecking - conceding!
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fans of a football club dont criticise every decision made they look for hope when there is none. Having been off this site over crimbo some of the abuse Lambert and Lerner have taken is shocking. You Fletch and your pal from IOM do nothing to support the club. Hardman? is that an invitation to the Bartons? if so see you against Ipswich. The negativity you spout is shocking.
Look Hippo, I spend plenty of hard earned money following Villa, so I don't know where you get 'you do nothing to support the club.'
As I said in the previous post, I'll write what I think and you'll put up with it.
And can you wind it in please as well.
Wind what in?
The answer I gave was not abusive and perfectly acceptable.
Do you expect me not to react when I'm told I do 'nothing to support the club?'
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A little disappointed, but would have been delighted with a point before kick-off (and for most of the first half, too) so can't complain. Stopped the rot. January is a big month in shaping the immediate future of the club.
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Not sure where 5 mins came from (who decides btw?) and maybe we should have held on but its still a valuable point.
The referee
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Mentioned this in the "is the Baggies still a big game" thread. They were organising it for the game on 19th. Very poor considering the origins of the idea of the 19th minute applause (of which they are totally aware).
It is the idea of a bunch of hate-filled morons, yes, but I say they should carry on and embarrass themselves.
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fans of a football club dont criticise every decision made they look for hope when there is none. Having been off this site over crimbo some of the abuse Lambert and Lerner have taken is shocking. You Fletch and your pal from IOM do nothing to support the club. Hardman? is that an invitation to the Bartons? if so see you against Ipswich. The negativity you spout is shocking.
Look Hippo, I spend plenty of hard earned money following Villa, so I don't know where you get 'you do nothing to support the club.'
As I said in the previous post, I'll write what I think and you'll put up with it.
And can you wind it in please as well.
Wind what in?
The answer I gave was not abusive and perfectly acceptable.
Do you expect me not to react when I'm told I do 'nothing to support the club?'
So changing his name twice was just an accident and not meant to be provocative?
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fans of a football club dont criticise every decision made they look for hope when there is none. Having been off this site over crimbo some of the abuse Lambert and Lerner have taken is shocking. You Fletch and your pal from IOM do nothing to support the club. Hardman? is that an invitation to the Bartons? if so see you against Ipswich. The negativity you spout is shocking.
Look Hippo, I spend plenty of hard earned money following Villa, so I don't know where you get 'you do nothing to support the club.'
As I said in the previous post, I'll write what I think and you'll put up with it.
And can you wind it in please as well.
Wind what in?
The answer I gave was not abusive and perfectly acceptable.
Do you expect me not to react when I'm told I do 'nothing to support the club?'
So changing his name twice was just an accident and not meant to be provocative?
Wow.
Did I tell him to 'Fuck off' ?
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Mentioned this in the "is the Baggies still a big game" thread. They were organising it for the game on 19th. Very poor considering the origins of the idea of the 19th minute applause (of which they are totally aware).
It is the idea of a bunch of hate-filled morons, yes, but I say they should carry on and embarrass themselves.
I'd love it if we was to just ignore them, but it won't happen. Small time hate filled club that are still jealous of us. Even during their best period in their recent history they feel the need to obsess over us
Its a compliment really, they know their place
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So it was deliberately done to provoke him, so now you know why I asked you to wind it in. The same as he's been told to.
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Arsenal complete wankers! 1-0 Southampton
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We crumble like flakey pastry under pressure..we need a strong man or two at the back!
That flakey pastry can be tough as fuck if you over cook it.
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So it was deliberately done to provoke him, so now you know why I asked you to wind it in. The same as he's been told to.
Okay, i'll use my 'free swear at another poster' card at a later date.
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Mentioned this in the "is the Baggies still a big game" thread. They were organising it for the game on 19th. Very poor considering the origins of the idea of the 19th minute applause (of which they are totally aware).
It is the idea of a bunch of hate-filled morons, yes, but I say they should carry on and embarrass themselves.
West Brom are a nothing club, f*ck them. They're not our biggest rivals, looks like they're trying to be but it'll never happen as they're not on our radar. Whilst I don't advocate violence their actual biggest rivals - Wolves - always batter them home & away whenever they used to play them so maybe they're looking elsewhere to try and be top dogs. They're wasting their time, I think I'll join up their equivalent of H&V and start reminding them what a bunch of nothings they are. They're just wankers. Up this season they'll go down the next.
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So it was deliberately done to provoke him, so now you know why I asked you to wind it in. The same as he's been told to.
Okay, i'll use my 'free swear at another poster' card at a later date.
Except it wasn't free as Hoppo was warned twice and he then apologised.
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i told Fletch to fuck of once, and he got me banned, went sniveling to the mods like a snake in the grass
so i wont be doing that again,
let that be a warning to you Hoppo
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4 4 2 two banks of four a lot more solid lookin Mr Lambert, simple
Except we could have been 4-0 down after 20 minutes. Not so simple in my view
That's down to the confidence in the team IMO, after they had ridden the storm 442 looked loads more solid, not to mention its the system all these kids are used to
It's a 4-4-2 without the ball and more of a 4-2-3-1 with. The important thing is that Benteke and Weimann have such a great understanding between the two of them - one will run beyond and the other will give the midfield more options and help. This ain't the Mike Bassett-esque 4-4-2 of MON, where the midfield two would constantly look isolated and outnumbered - at least one of the forwards (usually Weimann) is always closer to the midfield two to make it a three. It works nicely - we just need to get a better N'Zogbia/Albrighton type and stop - fecking - conceding!
I agree with you totaly, my original post was more the flat back four with four midfielders in front when we are defending as opposed to a back three with AWOL wingbacks
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We crumble like flakey pastry under pressure..we need a strong man or two at the back!
We didn't in the second half until that mad flurry at the end, even then it was a case of a bad bit of defending by Holman putting the defence under the cosh, these things happen.
A team this young, with so many that probably aren't really of Premiership standard, needs self-belief to compete above their level, it had been knocked out of them by the Chelsea thrashing and only started to creep back when Weimann scored, then we looked much better.
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i told Fletch to fuck of once, and he got me banned, went sniveling to the mods like a snake in the grass
so i wont be doing that again,
let that be a warning to you Hoppo
I wondered when the OAP would have a dig.
What's it got to do with you anyway?
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I agree with you totaly, my original post was more the flat back four with four midfielders in front when we are defending as opposed to a back three with AWOL wingbacks
Very true, we just got ripped apart and out of position by teams with players 'between the lines' - the centre-backs would be three-on-one against a centre forward, then the lack of midfield numbers meant attacking midfielders would have a free run at the centre-backs, causing all kinds of havoc. It's not perfect - the four at the back was the system which conceded four in one half - but I think it's better.
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i told Fletch to fuck of once, and he got me banned, went sniveling to the mods like a snake in the grass
so i wont be doing that again,
let that be a warning to you Hoppo
I wondered when the OAP would have a dig.
What's it got to do with you anyway?
couldnt resist
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i told Fletch to fuck of once, and he got me banned, went sniveling to the mods like a snake in the grass
so i wont be doing that again,
let that be a warning to you Hoppo
So saying fuck off doing the lambert walk OK or not?
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The best route to take is not to tell other posters to "fuck off" in the first place.
Guys! Look at us! Squabbling! Bickering! Like children! What's happening to us? We never used to be like this.
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i told Fletch to fuck of once, and he got me banned, went sniveling to the mods like a snake in the grass
so i wont be doing that again,
let that be a warning to you Hoppo
I wondered when the OAP would have a dig.
What's it got to do with you anyway?
couldnt resist
He should have had a go at you about not supporting the club, how much do you contribute?
Then again, you must spend a fortune on TENA pants.
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The best route to take is not to tell other posters to "fuck off" in the first place.
Guys! Look at us! Squabbling! Bickering! Like children! What's happening to us? We never used to be like this.
Yes we did.
Have we got a video?
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The best route to take is not to tell other posters to "fuck off" in the first place.
Guys! Look at us! Squabbling! Bickering! Like children! What's happening to us? We never used to be like this.
It's Harry Redknapp. I have heard he practices witch craft and he has cast a spell on us.
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Then again, you must spend a fortune on TENA pants.
Are we allowed to mention brands on here? It's free advertising!
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i told Fletch to fuck of once, and he got me banned, went sniveling to the mods like a snake in the grass
so i wont be doing that again,
let that be a warning to you Hoppo
I wondered when the OAP would have a dig.
What's it got to do with you anyway?
couldnt resist
He should have had a go at you about not supporting the club, how much do you contribute?
Then again, you must spend a fortune on TENA pants.
i've got a walking stick you know, and i'm not afraid to use it
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I've always thought as West Brom as a friendly rival its never seemed particularly heated compared to Blues, they don't seem that bad even though some of their fans have an irrational dislike towards Villa like every other west midlands team, however there fans are quite level headed and can laugh at themselves not getting so venomous and violent like a certain club from Small Heath... however this season those little fuckers have started to become more than.just annoying. After one season of finishing above us they now they think they're something special and are starting to believe in their own self inflated hype. They need to stfu and remember that they're West Brom and we're Aston Villa.
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The banning the old boy above is on about happened after he wrote saying that relegation wouldn't be so bad because we could at least win games and compete, I told him the idea was 'daft' and got told to 'fuck off.'
On reflection I realise I was wrong and should have rabidly agreed on the benefits of relegation.
I was wrong.
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Fletch i've already asked once if you can wind it in. Please stop with the insults to other posters.
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And john, no need to use terms like snake in the grass please.
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The banning the old boy above is on about happened after he wrote saying that relegation wouldn't be so bad because we could at least win games and compete, I told him the idea was 'daft' and got told to 'fuck off.'
On reflection I realise I was wrong and should have rabidly agreed on the benefits of relegation.
I was wrong.
if thats the way you remember it,
i dont think i said it exactly like that, probably more to do with taking relegation without Mcliesh would be better than keeping him and staying in the prem with his version of football
all i remember is you pushing my buttons then as soon as i stepped out of line you were of to the mods like the big tell tale tit you are.
i might of posted some shit on here, but i've never tried to get another poster banned
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Positives
Scoring again, and did so at great times today.
The lads kept going
We got a point, which is more than the sides around us managed
We had a bit of luck
Benteke and Weimann looked good again
Negatives
Another injury
The first half hour was a total nightmare - there was no defence to speak of
If we play like that again we'll get hammered
Late equaliser was a bit gutting to say the least
£10M isn't nearly enough to fix this side's problems
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I post loads of shit.
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I post loads of shit.
It's always very succinct shit though Leeg.
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I'm a poster of very few words.
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I post loads of shit.
It's always very succinct shit though Leeg.
A bit like quiet but memorable farts.
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I'm a poster of very few words.
And 'bollocks' is one of them.
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Yes, I post a load of bollocks aswell.
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Good point that, totally not expected
Stops the rot I hope
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I was hoping to find some meaningful discussion on how today's game went but seem to have clicked on to the wrong thread... ;D
Only followed the game via BBC website but seems we started badly and picked up after the Weimann goal. Gutting to lose the lead so late on but I would have snapped your hand off for a point beforehand. Even though I had a fiver on us at 11/2!
A couple of wins in the Cup now please and some quality players in before the Southampton game...
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The banning the old boy above is on about happened after he wrote saying that relegation wouldn't be so bad because we could at least win games and compete, I told him the idea was 'daft' and got told to 'fuck off.'
On reflection I realise I was wrong and should have rabidly agreed on the benefits of relegation.
I was wrong.
if thats the way you remember it,
i dont think i said it exactly like that, probably more to do with taking relegation without Mcliesh would be better than keeping him and staying in the prem with his version of football
Your memory is failing you.
You extolled the virtues of being in the Championship and being one of the top dogs in there, I disagreed and you went off on one with an insult.
I was puzzled anyway as I couldn't understand what difference it would make to you what division we're in, you wouldn't have to watch it.
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Sounds like Westwood may have broken his ankle. Bad luck continues.
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I'm a poster of very few words.
Short sentences.
Of three words.
Or possibly four words.
Sometimes as many as five.
These are best.
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Sounds like Westwood may have broken his ankle. Bad luck continues.
Sounds as if Michu did him and ref let him off.
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Sounds like Westwood may have broken his ankle. Bad luck continues.
Sounds as if Michu did him and ref let him off.
He did.
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Sounds like Westwood may have broken his ankle. Bad luck continues.
Sounds as if Michu did him and ref let him off.
Nothing deliberate from what I saw , there was a tangle of legs and he fell awkwardly.
Certainly wouldn't say michu did him.
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Sounds like Westwood may have broken his ankle. Bad luck continues.
That's surely 2 or 3 months out if true? When is this run of injuries going to end, been over 2 years of them now.
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Sounds like Westwood may have broken his ankle. Bad luck continues.
I hope this isn't true. Michu was reckless during the last 20 minutes or so and Halsey did nothing about it. I felt that Halsey gave us chuff all throughout the game to be honest, it's like he's mates with Dowd or something. He didn't even give us the bloody penalty.
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The banning the old boy above is on about happened after he wrote saying that relegation wouldn't be so bad because we could at least win games and compete, I told him the idea was 'daft' and got told to 'fuck off.'
On reflection I realise I was wrong and should have rabidly agreed on the benefits of relegation.
I was wrong.
if thats the way you remember it,
i dont think i said it exactly like that, probably more to do with taking relegation without Mcliesh would be better than keeping him and staying in the prem with his version of football
Your memory is failing you.
You extolled the virtues of being in the Championship and being one of the top dogs in there, I disagreed and you went off on one with an insult.
I was puzzled anyway as I couldn't understand what difference it would make to you what division we're in, you wouldn't have to watch it.
why dont you spend the next 10 minuets trying to find that post just to make sure what you are saying is true
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Sounds like Westwood may have broken his ankle. Bad luck continues.
Fucking hell.
Makes getting a quality midfielder in even more urgent.
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why dont you spend the next 10 minuets trying to find that post just to make sure what you are saying is true
Why don't you?
You've got plenty of time on your hands, i've got work tomorrow, you've got a tea dance at 10am and nothing else to do.
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The best route to take is not to tell other posters to "fuck off" in the first place.
Guys! Look at us! Squabbling! Bickering! Like children! What's happening to us? We never used to be like this.
Yes we did.
Have we got a video?
Getting a little childish now - I am expecting one of them to start accusing the other of being a virgin!
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Sounds like Westwood may have broken his ankle. Bad luck continues.
That's surely 2 or 3 months out if true? When is this run of injuries going to end, been over 2 years of them now.
Where has the broken ankle story came from, has lambert confirmed it?
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Sounds like Westwood may have broken his ankle. Bad luck continues.
That's surely 2 or 3 months out if true? When is this run of injuries going to end, been over 2 years of them now.
Sincerely hope that's not the case. Fingers crossed it's just very badly bruised, for if he has broken it I doubt we will see him again this season.
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why dont you spend the next 10 minuets trying to find that post just to make sure what you are saying is true
Why don't you?
You've got plenty of time on your hands, i've got work tomorrow, you've got a tea dance at 10am and nothing else to do.
I'm not asking you again to wind it in Fletch.
And John, this is my second request to you to wind it in please.
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Sounds like Westwood may have broken his ankle. Bad luck continues.
That's surely 2 or 3 months out if true? When is this run of injuries going to end, been over 2 years of them now.
Absolutely gutted, if thats true,he has been the most promising of all the youngsters this season. The Tottenham game apart he has looked a genuine premiership player who has looked very comfortable at this level.
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Can we get back to discussing the match please?
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Paul Lambert's view:
Atwuzrilydispointinfanashbuttheaffort, espshalyanthsacondhaff, wuzaxcllnt.
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Sounds like Westwood may have broken his ankle. Bad luck continues.
Fucking hell.
Makes getting a quality midfielder in even more urgent.
Indeed vital, as he's our only good one.
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Can we get back to discussing the match please?
Yes.
A draw is a good result at their place and we'd have taken it pre-match, but it's always gutting to concede a late goal.
A win would have given a much needed boost to these kid's confidence.
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think its all been said. Nearly didn't bother following it when i saw the team. Should have been out of it at half-time. Nothing wrong with the spirit though to come from a goal behind and we didn't fold. Some of them actually looked like they knew what they were doing 2nd half which is always a plus point. Hopefully that result will help the confidence. My main worry is how they will react at Villa Park - was there less pressure on them without the home fans breathing down their necks? Often happens with young players that they find it easier playing away. Westwood crocked is a worry if true. We seem to be paying for all those relatively injury free seasons under MON.
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why dont you spend the next 10 minuets trying to find that post just to make sure what you are saying is true
Why don't you?
You've got plenty of time on your hands, i've got work tomorrow, you've got a tea dance at 10am and nothing else to do.
you have 25 thousand posts, i thought you might have a better idea of how to find it,
us oldies struggle with technology you know, although my 4 year old son might be able to help me
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Sounds like Westwood may have broken his ankle. Bad luck continues.
It's not just bad luck, because those getting injured are the ones we are relying on. Why can't some of the shite ones get injured instead, there's plenty to choose from.
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Paul Lambert's view:
Atwuzrilydispointinfanashbuttheaffort, espshalyanthsacondhaff, wuzaxcllnt.
Is he saying all bummers are deaf?
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We need Westy. Hope the rumour is wrong.
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Paul Lambert's view:
Atwuzrilydispointinfanashbuttheaffort, espshalyanthsacondhaff, wuzaxcllnt.
Is he saying all bummers are deaf?
pardon...
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Lambert spoke of his concern at the extent of Ashley Westwood's ankle injury, picked up in a nasty tangle with Michu.
Westwood will get checked out by the medical team at Bodymoor Heath later.
Asked whether it was serious, he added: "It looks it at the minute. It's his ankle. He's hobbling about.
"It will be a blow if he's out because we have too many at the moment.
"We have some lads at the training ground too. Hopefully we can get one or two of them back very soon."
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Lambert spoke of his concern at the extent of Ashley Westwood's ankle injury, picked up in a nasty tangle with Michu.
Westwood will get checked out by the medical team at Bodymoor Heath later.
Asked whether it was serious, he added: "It looks it at the minute. It's his ankle. He's hobbling about.
"It will be a blow if he's out because we have too many at the moment.
"We have some lads at the training ground too. Hopefully we can get one or two of them back very soon."
If they are letting him walk around on it, it doesn't sound like a broken ankle. Most modern stadia have a medical room with X ray equipment to check. Still not saying he won't be out for a while as it could still be tendon or ligament damage.
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For those interested a rare treat tonight as villa are the 1st game on match of the day .
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The more I look at today the happier I am with a point overall.
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For those interested a rare treat tonight as villa are the 1st game on match of the day .
Why what's happened out there?
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Not sure it's quite as bad as a broken ankle is it? Wasn't he hobbling around?
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I'm a poster of very few words.
Would you say that you are a constipated poster?
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Not sure it's quite as bad as a broken ankle is it? Wasn't he hobbling around?
I had a nasty accident playing football once ("Never!" I hear you all cry). Tore all my ligaments, tendons, muscles etc around my left ankle. The doctor at the Manor who X-rayed it told me I'd have been better off with breaking it. It's never been the same since. Still troubles me now and I did it nearly 20 years ago.
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Calmed down enough to post (hurray!). Now, that first half was as bad as anything else we did against Wigan, but the second was much better. We were aggressive and high tempo and looked half decent going forward. Still awful at the back though. Clark isn't a entre half without a dominant hard bastard next to him.
It was a real kick in the nuts to lose a goal late on, but the scoreline overall still flattered us when you consider the woodwork action they had in the 1st half and their general dominance.
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why dont you spend the next 10 minuets trying to find that post just to make sure what you are saying is true
Why don't you?
You've got plenty of time on your hands, i've got work tomorrow, you've got a tea dance at 10am and nothing else to do.
I'm not asking you again to wind it in Fletch.
And John, this is my second request to you to wind it in please.
Don't make em wind it in give them their own thread and let them fight it out keyboard warrior style. You can't say they ain't entertaining...
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Risso and Rip you are both utterley pointless.. just feck off.
If I remember correctly, you're the poster who was defending the mindless idiots who went down to Villa Park to protest about McLeish being appointed. I think I'll therefore not enter in a battle of wits with an unarmed individual, if it's all the same.
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Disappointed with the late goal but would of Definatly took a point before the game and we scored a couple of goals aswell. Let's beat southapton now!
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Yeah Southampton is a monumental game now. Really need to beat them but they played very well tonight against Arsenal.
Didn't see the game until the last 10 minutes ironically enough. Where did the 5 minutes come from?!
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Yeah Southampton is a monumental game now. Really need to beat them but they played very well tonight against Arsenal.
Didn't see the game until the last 10 minutes ironically enough. Where did the 5 minutes come from?!
I was wondering that, I'm guessing from Westwood's injury. According to the beeb it was 97 mins in the end but the goal could account for the extra on top as well.
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Think it was more about arsenal being crap tonight
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Not sure it's quite as bad as a broken ankle is it? Wasn't he hobbling around?
I had a nasty accident playing football once ("Never!" I hear you all cry). Tore all my ligaments, tendons, muscles etc around my left ankle. The doctor at the Manor who X-rayed it told me I'd have been better off with breaking it. It's never been the same since. Still troubles me now and I did it nearly 20 years ago.
Bloody hell. I thought you were younger than 75 Leeg ;D.
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And for what it is worth i thought we were lucky not to be four or five down by half time. Strengthen in January please or else we will possibly be in the mire come the last few weeks of the season.
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Yeah Southampton is a monumental game now. Really need to beat them but they played very well tonight against Arsenal.
Didn't see the game until the last 10 minutes ironically enough. Where did the 5 minutes come from?!
I was wondering that, I'm guessing from Westwood's injury. According to the beeb it was 97 mins in the end but the goal could account for the extra on top as well.
Goal was scored right on 94th minute, think it was 94.02 or something so we may have just hung on if it had been the standard four minutes, maybe not.
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Sounds like Westwood may have broken his ankle. Bad luck continues.
Sounds as if Michu did him and ref let him off.
Nothing deliberate from what I saw , there was a tangle of legs and he fell awkwardly.
Certainly wouldn't say michu did him.
Just unfortunate, not deliberate in any shape or form.
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Have we got a video?
YES, WE'VE GOT A VIDEO
Watching our outfield ten warming up, I had to remind myself that I wasn't watching the youth team. They need the cavalry to turn up pronto. Had swansea been a little more clinical up front in the first half, a continuation of our recent run would've deservedly been ensuing. Second half, the grit and determination was admirable. Definite penalty for the handball by Bennett, so shit refs do work both ways. Ironically, I think the mentality of throwing everything at anything in our box cost us, just prior to their equalizer there was a shot which Herd threw himself in the way of. I reckon it would've gone wide, goal kick, run down the clock, job done.
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Our next Premier League game isn't for 13 days then, more than enough time to get in some signings and perhaps a replacement for Westwood on loan (if his injury really is that bad) in time for the Saints game.
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I'm trying to remind myself not to overreact. When we went a goal down it felt like te world was about to end. When we equalised I felt like we'd just won the cup or something.
It's bloody odd. Like manic depression by proxy.
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Yep, the Westwood replacement is probably the most important one, given that surely Vlaar and even Dunne, plus Baker, must be on the cusp of a comeback?
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think they panicked at the end. Not surprising really given the circumstances. There was some evidence that Lambert is getting them organised and now they can see they can get a result following his instructions hopefully the 1st half display will be banished. Can't be too hard on them because make no mistake that was not a premiership team put out today in any shape or form. Lerner should hang his head in shame that he's let our squad get into this state.
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Have we got a video?
Definite penalty for the handball by Bennett, so shit refs do work both ways.
In no way was it a definite penalty, watching the replays it was impossible to tell one way or the other. Ours wasn't a penalty either.
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Stat time
Chris Herd, Ciaran Clark and Christian Benteke were the big names when it came to stats during the Swansea game.
Herd and Clark were exceptional at keeping the home side at bay - especially during a torrid twenty minute spell in the first half - and that's shown in the post-match figures.
Benteke's stats stack up very well too with the powerful forward proving to be a real presence up top for Villa during the ninety minutes.
Benteke was No.1 for shots with four in total, three on target and one goal. Andreas Weimann was No.3 with four in total, two on target and one goal.
Benteke was No.2 for chances created behind Pablo Hernandez.
Benteke was No.4 for take-ons, alongside Delph, with one successful out of two made.
Benteke was again No.1 for aerial duels with eleven won out of thirteen made. Clark was No.2 with ten won from thirteen made. Herd was No.3 with seven won out of nine made. Matt Lowton was No.5 with three won out of four made.
Joe Bennett was No.1 for tackles, with three successful out of five made. Ashley Westwood was No.2 with three successful out of four made. Marc Albrighton was No.3 with three successful out of three made.
Delph was No.1 for interceptions with six while Albrighton was No.3 with five alongside Clark.
Herd was No.1 for blocks with three, Delph was No.2 with two alongside Bennett and Westwood.
Clark was No.1 for clearances with eighteen successful out of twenty-six made. Herd was No.2 with nine successful out of twenty-two made. Lowton was No.3 with four successful out of fourteen made.
Brad Guzan to Benteke was Villa's No.1 pass combination with eleven. Our No.2 was Benteke to Weimann with eight alongside Westwood to Benteke with eight.
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Going to watch us on MOTD now, as I only listened on the radio so interested in seeing some of the match.
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Half of me thinks 'that's a good point', the other half thinks 'for f@ck's sake, you're an Aston Villa fan, a point against f@cking Swansea a good result???'
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The defending in the first half highlights was some of the most ridiculously disorganised I think I've ever seen from a top flight side. Very worrying. What on earth are they playing at?
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Having seen the MotD yes it was a good point. The chances they had in the first 25 minutes or so should have buried us but we recovered.
On Bennett penalty yes handball but outside the area. Great decision by the officials.
We do need Vlaar back v Southampton.
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Having seen the MotD yes it was a good point. The chances they had in the first 25 minutes or so should have buried us but we recovered.
On Bennett penalty yes handball but outside the area. Great decision by the officials.
We do need Vlaar back v Southampton.
When Dublin said the foot was inside the area so questioned was the arm, yet the replay showed both feet out the area on contact with the arm.
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This was a bit like the run out decisions in cricket. Players look well in but video calls them out.
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It wa only MOTD highlights I seen but on that evidence that opening half hour was a horror show I can't remember the like of in all my years following this team.
We need quality players, lots of them and as quickly as possible.
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I agree - the team looked completely all over the place.
You wonder if the constant changing of formations and players is undermining the organisation of the side? I think German players are probably tactically educated enough to manage that. I don't think British players are (their twitter feeds don't suggest a great level of intelligence!)
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I agree - the team looked completely all over the place.
You wonder if the constant changing of formations and players is undermining the organisation of the side? I think German players are probably tactically educated enough to manage that. I don't think British players are (their twitter feeds don't suggest a great level of intelligence!)
I think that is certainly the case when it comes to the defence. I would personally like to see Guzan and a settled back four (consisting of Lowton, Vlaar, Dunne (or a new CB) and a defensively solid new LB) see out the rest of the season for us.
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brett holman was disgraceful for the cross before the goal. he runs around a lot and gives the impression of being a workhorse but I think he is actually more gutless than stephen ireland without the ball.
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I'm trying to remind myself not to overreact. When we went a goal down it felt like te world was about to end. When we equalised I felt like we'd just won the cup or something.
It's bloody odd. Like manic depression by proxy.
When Benteke scored the penalty I thought "I'd take a point now". It's a sad state of affairs, I know, but it's a measure of where we're at.
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brett holman was disgraceful for the cross before the goal. he runs around a lot and gives the impression of being a workhorse but I think he is actually more gutless than stephen ireland without the ball.
he did it a few times in the game . Just get a bloody tackle in and stop fannying around.
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brett holman was disgraceful for the cross before the goal. he runs around a lot and gives the impression of being a workhorse but I think he is actually more gutless than stephen ireland without the ball.
he did it a few times in the game . Just get a bloody tackle in and stop fannying around.
Couldn't agree more, I think he's really poor and was abysmal against Spurs too when we needed someone to hold on to the ball up top. He's got the first touch of a rapist.
I thought Brad should have done better with the equaliser, but given the saves he'd made earlier on in the game is still well in credit.
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Have we got a video?
Definite penalty for the handball by Bennett, so shit refs do work both ways.
In no way was it a definite penalty, watching the replays it was impossible to tell one way or the other. Ours wasn't a penalty either.
I was watching on a foreign stream (if Im allowed to say that) they showed it from a different angle to the BBC. It was a penalty. I agree with you ours was a bit doubtful. But both decisions were very welcome and we were the better team in the second half.
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Ours was stonewall penalty, as it was an extremely stupid and clumsy kick from Dyer on Weimans left leg, while ball on right side.
The handball was shown in replay about 50 times, and on time of touch, both feet were outside, and about to put his right foot on the line. The hand moves backwards after it is hit (obvious) - if that moved over the line or not is doubtful - and they can't give it unless they are sure. The only one to see that was Halsey, and he was not in perfect position. Giving it would be harsh (and wrong)
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Well the first 20 minutes we could and should have been 3 or 4 down. They looked like they were going to score whenever they broke, the defence looked all over the place and it seemed like it was going to be one of those days again.
Then towards the end of the half we started to gain a bit more confidence and got the goal. The 2nd half was much much better. We grew in belief as the game went on and started to look a bit like ourselves again. Their equaliser was a sickener but all in all bearing in mind what's happened in the last few games, a draw was a good result for us. We'll be ok.
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Well the first 20 minutes we could and should have been 3 or 4 down. They looked like they were going to score whenever they broke, the defence looked all over the place and it seemed like it was going to be one of those days again.
Then towards the end of the half we started to gain a bit more confidence and got the goal. The 2nd half was much much better. We grew in belief as the game went on and started to look a bit like ourselves again. Their equaliser was a sickener but all in all bearing in mind what's happened in the last few games, a draw was a good result for us. We'll be ok.
Pretty much spot on assessment I think.
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brett holman was disgraceful for the cross before the goal. he runs around a lot and gives the impression of being a workhorse but I think he is actually more gutless than stephen ireland without the ball.
he did it a few times in the game . Just get a bloody tackle in and stop fannying around.
I had a bit of a dig against Holman after the Everton game saying he could have done better in challenging the player who scored the goal that was curled in from outside the box. I can't remember who scored it. I said he could and should have closed him down better or forced him outside and took absolute pelters for daring to criticise a new player. But I think yesterday showed that sometimes he does that job very badly. It was an awful, feeble non-attempt at a challenge at a critical point of the game and a major part of why we didn't hold on.
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I was sat in line with the penalty box and Bennett's handball was definitely in the area. Everyone around me couldn't believe he didn't point to the spot.
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brett holman was disgraceful for the cross before the goal. he runs around a lot and gives the impression of being a workhorse but I think he is actually more gutless than stephen ireland without the ball.
he did it a few times in the game . Just get a bloody tackle in and stop fannying around.
I had a bit of a dig against Holman after the Everton game saying he could have done better in challenging the player who scored the goal that was curled in from outside the box. I can't remember who scored it. I said he could and should have closed him down better or forced him outside and took absolute pelters for daring to criticise a new player. But I think yesterday showed that sometimes he does that job very badly. It was an awful, feeble non-attempt at a challenge at a critical point of the game and a major part of why we didn't hold on.
If you watch the build up of the goal , before Bannon cleared it twice , Holman did exactly the same thing again .
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brett holman was disgraceful for the cross before the goal. he runs around a lot and gives the impression of being a workhorse but I think he is actually more gutless than stephen ireland without the ball.
he did it a few times in the game . Just get a bloody tackle in and stop fannying around.
I had a bit of a dig against Holman after the Everton game saying he could have done better in challenging the player who scored the goal that was curled in from outside the box. I can't remember who scored it. I said he could and should have closed him down better or forced him outside and took absolute pelters for daring to criticise a new player. But I think yesterday showed that sometimes he does that job very badly. It was an awful, feeble non-attempt at a challenge at a critical point of the game and a major part of why we didn't hold on.
If you watch the build up of the goal , before Bannon cleared it twice , Holman did exactly the same thing again .
He's run around after lost causes, won the ball back after losing it and stolen the ball dozens of times that I can think of, which makes it even more annoying when he totally failed to do it at such a vital time in such a vital game
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Ours was stonewall penalty, as it was an extremely stupid and clumsy kick from Dyer on Weimans left leg, while ball on right side.
The handball was shown in replay about 50 times, and on time of touch, both feet were outside, and about to put his right foot on the line. The hand moves backwards after it is hit (obvious) - if that moved over the line or not is doubtful - and they can't give it unless they are sure. The only one to see that was Halsey, and he was not in perfect position. Giving it would be harsh (and wrong)
Don't know whether the laws have been revised since I played but I thought that if it was accidental handball then it was not a penalty. The TV clearly showed that the ball hit Bennett's knee and rebounded off it onto his hand which was down near the side of his body which is where it should be. He had made no movement with his arm/hand towards the ball or its flight. Therefore, how could that be a penalty? Or if a ball touches a hand on every occasion within the box is a penalty going to be awarded?
I await to hear from those who are much better acquainted nowadays than myself.
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I was sat in line with the penalty box and Bennett's handball was definitely in the area. Everyone around me couldn't believe he didn't point to the spot.
Ditto, in row N
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Ours was stonewall penalty, as it was an extremely stupid and clumsy kick from Dyer on Weimans left leg, while ball on right side.
The handball was shown in replay about 50 times, and on time of touch, both feet were outside, and about to put his right foot on the line. The hand moves backwards after it is hit (obvious) - if that moved over the line or not is doubtful - and they can't give it unless they are sure. The only one to see that was Halsey, and he was not in perfect position. Giving it would be harsh (and wrong)
Don't know whether the laws have been revised since I played but I thought that if it was accidental handball then it was not a penalty. The TV clearly showed that the ball hit Bennett's knee and rebounded off it onto his hand which was down near the side of his body which is where it should be. He had made no movement with his arm/hand towards the ball or its flight. Therefore, how could that be a penalty? Or if a ball touches a hand on every occasion within the box is a penalty going to be awarded?
I await to hear from those who are much better acquainted nowadays than myself.
I thought at the time, being in line with the edge of the area, and since from the replays, that it was in the area but I don't care. We have had enough bad luck and need a break.
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That's exactly what I saw Fredm. I was beginning to think it was me.
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I don't think any replay definitely shows it was in the area. They stopped it on MOTD and both feet were on the edge. as the contact is made on the arm. The arm could well have been behind him but enough to definitely give a penalty, probably not. On the flip side, the replays never really showed me the ball flicked off his knee onto his arm either.
I'm amazed though that so many of our fans could either see it so clearly through Bennett or from 90 yards away (not knowing which end the fans were.) He did go backwards and the ball did land in the area so on first viewing it might have appeared to be more of a penalty, but it is one of those incidents that argues against decisions from replays being made in 5 seconds as suggested by the advocates of the technology.
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brett holman was disgraceful for the cross before the goal. he runs around a lot and gives the impression of being a workhorse but I think he is actually more gutless than stephen ireland without the ball.
he did it a few times in the game . Just get a bloody tackle in and stop fannying around.
I had a bit of a dig against Holman after the Everton game saying he could have done better in challenging the player who scored the goal that was curled in from outside the box. I can't remember who scored it. I said he could and should have closed him down better or forced him outside and took absolute pelters for daring to criticise a new player. But I think yesterday showed that sometimes he does that job very badly. It was an awful, feeble non-attempt at a challenge at a critical point of the game and a major part of why we didn't hold on.
He did a similar thing at Newcastle, when he let Ben Arfa take the ball past him way too easily. OK, he probably didn't expect him to put it in the top corner from 25 yds with his weaker foot, but it was a really poor effort.
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I'm amazed though that so many of our fans could either see it so clearly through Bennett or from 90 yards away (not knowing which end the fans were.)
The Villa fans were the ones jumping up and down when we scored.
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Let hope Mr Lambert noticed so he can sort his defending out.
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I'm not sure how the ref or linesman can give the penalty (against Bennett) as it was almost impossible to be sure from their point of view. In which case it should not be given.
Also, there is an argument it was ball to hand too. But they are sometimes given. Harshly in my opinion.
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We all know about the ball to hand thing but refs give them all the time - Cuellar at W Ham a few years ago had turned his back to the ball when it struck his upper arm from about 5 yards away - the ref still gave the penalty.
Also Ridgewell a week ago for the Baggies was blatant handball and Olson on at least two occasions recently has moved towards the ball and knocked it away with his elbow - no penalties given. The ref gives what he sees, and that's that.
As with a few others who were there yesterday, I thought it was a penalty against us but as has been said, it's about time we had a bit of luck.
UTV!