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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Dave Summers on March 21, 2011, 08:16:00 PM
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Pat Murphy getting stuck into Houllier.
A tasty titbit revealed. Richard Dunne could have played on Saturday at a push. Wasn't asked and we end up with a midfielder in central defence.
Also said Ashley Young on way (glad was sat down for that revelation) and more worryingly he understands Downing is disaffected.
It really is one unholy mess !!!. How has it got this bad in just 8 months or so??
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Was this Pat Murphy with these 'titbits' or Houllier? Because though we all expect it, until this comes from club or player Murphy is groping in the dark like the rest of us.
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CanT really blame any player who wants out after the lack of ambition stated by houllier at man city- players want to win things not see their manager throw a big cup game!
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Downing is disaffected!
Poor love. He still feels better than most of our supporters though.
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Pat Murphy getting stuck into Houllier.
A tasty titbit revealed. Richard Dunne could have played on Saturday at a push. Wasn't asked and we end up with a midfielder in central defence.
It may explain why he's fit enough to be called up into the Ireland squad.
Oh and yes, what a fucking mess.
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Strong stuff from Pat Murphy. He thinks that Houllier can still get the sack, if we fail to win against Everton and Newcastle. He made the point that two places in the PL are worth about £2 million and suggested that Randy was aware that he could get rid of Houllier for less than that.
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Ofcourse, good players won't hang around for Managers that don't seem interested in winning things.
And I don't blame them.
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Stop dicking around, Randy, pull the trigger.
Sometimes things just don't work out, and this hasn't.
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Was this Pat Murphy with these 'titbits' or Houllier? Because though we all expect it, until this comes from club or player Murphy is groping in the dark like the rest of us.
It was Pat Murphy yes. He apparently spoke to Paul Faulkner today, hence the story on the BBC website saying that they were backing him, presumably?.
I find it worrying though that stories about Downing are coming out?. Apparently Dunne had "trained well" last week and if that is the case, then however bad his form has been, he really should have played on Saturday to provide some experience at the back. For what it's worth, by and large I don't think his form has been that bad since he came back into the team after Christmas.
He also even quoted the General on the other website, saying that Randy is hearing the fans and will listen.
Overall the impression I got was that Houllier is very much on borrowed time, despite the statement today. Lose at Everton and at home to Newcastle and................................... actually, don't even want to think of that scenario
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Yet.
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If they are to sack him they need to time it right and not leave it too late. Lose the next two and they could have sleepwalked into relegation.
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If we lose to Everton and Newcastle we are fucked either way.
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Though I wouldn't expect it to achieve anything, giving Ged the flick and bringing someone else in (or even McDonald back) would at least give supporters some hope that the club are willing to do something proactive. And strangely, even though his results were largely crap, the players would probably double their efforts if McDonald was reinstated just out of sheer relief.
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If they are going to pull the trigger it has to be now, 2 more defeats and we are toast
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oh please Randy get shot, good work Pat
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Like a lot of people I lost Houllier after Man City. I'm not generally a fan of sacking managers so soon into their tenure, but this man has made too many gaffes and seems to stumble from one disaster to another. It's clear from Saturday that the players have little or no confidence in him and he has also obviously lost the fans.
If we do change manager, then the best time is obviously the summer and then we can hopefully get our number one choice in, even if he is at another club. This job will be attractive to many people and despite current form, it's a damn good squad of players, with a chairman who backs managers as well
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If we lose to Everton and Newcastle we are fucked either way.
yes , Magpies game is massive .
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Stop dicking around, Randy, pull the trigger.
I wish he would Paulie, because you know what, if he dose'nt, i have a horrible feeling that we could be in for one of those 5-0 relegation type drubbings up at Everton. They're more or less safe now, they'll be playing with confidence. The last thing this team needs is a thrashing. I might be wrong though and i hope to god i am.
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Downing wants out too?
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Downing wants out too?
Doesnt want to send another team down ;-/
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At last someone at the Beeb laying into Houllier. About time - he seems to have been protected from criticism due to his Liverpool connections.
He has to go - sooner rather than later. The problem is Lerner has been mugged off and hired GH on the recommendation of the Chief Executive. Therefore he has to sack both of them Houllier for his abject management (and without question the most arrogant person I have seen associated with Villa) and Faulkener who has must have had a hige say in him being hired "Our best chance of staying up is with Gerard." I think this is a back-covering exercise of the highest order from Faulkener. How can he say 'best chance' - ludicrous comment?
I expected mid table turge under Houllier, negative outdated tactics and he ould dress it up as progress - I didn't expect us to be this abject.
How many players has Houllier antagonised? That would be the senior ones we need now - Dunne, Warnock, Carew, Collins. Ashley 'want away' Young as Captain? Pires chauffeur driven each day from London? How many more gaffes - he is Aloof beyond belief.
We went down under McDuff because he and the players didn't care, we will be relegated if Houllier stays.
A half decent manager would have this squad on a par with Liverpool - they are no better than last season, we are far worse
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I'm in the camp that tghis is our last window of oppoortunity to make a change - wait any longer and the manager is almost irrelevent. 8 games is still a just under a quarter of the season.
If we lose against Everton and Newcastle I don't think it'll matter whose in charge as the dye will be cast for better or for worse.
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Paul Faulkner backs GH (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/9431867.stm)
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Downing wants out too?
Doesnt want to send another team down ;-/
lol
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Downing wants out too?
Can you blame him? Played well for us on the left early on in the season linking up well with Albrighton playing on the right. Then Houllier comes along and plays them both out of position for most of the season.
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I wish people would stop going on about Warnock. Hes been useless and a c**t . He needs fooking off..
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Downing has been class for us this season, better than I've seen him ever for Boro.
I'm sure he just wants us to be where we belong & put all this bullshit behind us.
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Paul Faulkner backs GH (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/9431867.stm)
So thats it then
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Downing has been class for us this season, better than I've seen him ever for Boro.
I'm sure he just wants us to be where we belong & put all this bullshit behind us.
I do think Downing's been pretty good this season, but he was one of the players that got right on my tits on Saturday. Cutting inside against a fat bastard like Elokobi? Fucking hell, that bloke should have come off with his head on back to front and Downing gave him the easiest ninety minutes of the whole season.
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Downing has been class for us this season, better than I've seen him ever for Boro.
I'm sure he just wants us to be where we belong & put all this bullshit behind us.
I do think Downing's been pretty good this season, but he was one of the players that got right on my tits on Saturday. Cutting inside against a fat bastard like Elokobi? Fucking hell, that bloke should have come off with his head on back to front and Downing gave him the easiest ninety minutes of the whole season.
He had to keep cutting inside as he is playing on the wrong side.....if he was on the left he wouldnt have to cut in
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Pat Murphy is another Oliver Holt. Never liked us but he is quite right about "him".
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I wish people would stop going on about Warnock. Hes been useless and a c**t . He needs fooking off..
I agree he has been poor but we need a left back and he is an Aston Villa player and he needs to be back in the team for the Everton game
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Downing has been class for us this season, better than I've seen him ever for Boro.
I'm sure he just wants us to be where we belong & put all this bullshit behind us.
I do think Downing's been pretty good this season, but he was one of the players that got right on my tits on Saturday. Cutting inside against a fat bastard like Elokobi? Fucking hell, that bloke should have come off with his head on back to front and Downing gave him the easiest ninety minutes of the whole season.
He had to keep cutting inside as he is playing on the wrong side.....if he was on the left he wouldnt have to cut in
I agree, but what's wrong with cutting in after you're past the bloke? The guy has the turning circle of a World War 1 tank and Downing made him look like Franco Baresi.
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The problem I still have is that sacking him is only half of the story. Doing it now severely restricts the pool of potential candidates if we want to make a quick replacement. I'm sure that is part of the club's thinking.
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I wish people would stop going on about Warnock. Hes been useless and a c**t . He needs fooking off..
I agree he has been poor but we need a left back and he is an Aston Villa player and he needs to be back in the team for the Everton game
Not based on his form when he last played for us. He was bloody awful, for ages. I would rather Delph played there.
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The problem I still have is that sacking him is only half of the story. Doing it now severely restricts the pool of potential candidates if we want to make a quick replacement. I'm sure that is part of the club's thinking.
I think that it would have to be an internal appointment, I think it is to late to parachute someone in. Maybe you are right, there isnt any one to step up to the plate, if that is the case we are fcukd
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Paul Faulkner. Tit.
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Downing has been class for us this season, better than I've seen him ever for Boro.
I'm sure he just wants us to be where we belong & put all this bullshit behind us.
I do think Downing's been pretty good this season, but he was one of the players that got right on my tits on Saturday. Cutting inside against a fat bastard like Elokobi? Fucking hell, that bloke should have come off with his head on back to front and Downing gave him the easiest ninety minutes of the whole season.
He had to keep cutting inside as he is playing on the wrong side.....if he was on the left he wouldnt have to cut in
I agree, but what's wrong with cutting in after you're past the bloke? The guy has the turning circle of a World War 1 tank and Downing made him look like Franco Baresi.
Everytime he has to cut in he gives the defence/defenders time to get back into positon/tackle him and its unnatural for him to be on the rightside as he is so left footed........he needs to be on the left so he can break quicker with the ball and play first time balls into the box
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Pat Murphy is another Oliver Holt. Never liked us but he is quite right about "him".
I think Pat Murphy is pretty even-handed when it comes to talking about all of the Midlands clubs.
Over the years I've heard him say very complimentary things about us and also called the club to account when necessary.
If I have any criticism of him it is that in recent years it is that because of the respect in which he held Brian Clough, he was rather too fawning when interviewing son-of-Clough (that's O'Neill, rather than Nigel).
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At last someone at the Beeb laying into Houllier. About time - he seems to have been protected from criticism due to his Liverpool connections.
Dunno Lawro had a bit of a pop on MOTD, Hansen sat there silent - no word of support at all, so fairly damning
As for Faulkner, he may have signed his own death warrant too now
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Paul Faulkner. Tit.
Agreed, what on earth does he know about football? Since he got the CEO job, everything's gone to ratshit.
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I know Murphy can be a shit stirrer but I think he gets most of his facts right, I am glad that Randy is aware of how the supporters are feeling but we still have time to change this so let's do the right thing and get rid.
Oh and Downing has played well this season but he is a bottler (thanks to the Petrov injury) so he can bugger off too.
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Paul Faulkner backs GH (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/9431867.stm)
So thats it then
Not his call though is it. There's still hope.
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I wish people would stop going on about Warnock. Hes been useless and a c**t . He needs fooking off..
I agree he has been poor but we need a left back and he is an Aston Villa player and he needs to be back in the team for the Everton game
Not based on his form when he last played for us. He was bloody awful, for ages. I would rather Delph played there.
We will have to disagree but I think we need Delph in midfield
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The problem I still have is that sacking him is only half of the story. Doing it now severely restricts the pool of potential candidates if we want to make a quick replacement. I'm sure that is part of the club's thinking.
You are right. I think we will stay up whether or not he is sacked. If he is than it should be an internal till end of the season and than we can look at Jol or van Gaal etc.
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Pat Murphy doesn't like the fact that Randy doesn't invite him round for tea and scones once a week.
His interview with Houllier though was excellent last Thursday, in which Houllier tied himself in knots trying to pretend that the team bonding exercise went well.
Things are rotten at the club at present and Murphy is just reporting that.
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Paul Faulkner backs GH (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/9431867.stm)
So thats it then
Not his call though is it. There's still hope.
Well unlikely that Faulkner has made that statement without knowing Randys thoughts. If they do anything it will be too late, i think the Newcastle game will be the deciding moment.
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Pat Murphy is another Oliver Holt. Never liked us but he is quite right about "him".
I think Pat Murphy is pretty even-handed when it comes to talking about all of the Midlands clubs.
Over the years I've heard him say very complimentary things about us and also called the club to account when necessary.
What is beyond dispute is that he is very well-informed. If he understands that Houllier's job is on the line, then it is so.
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Left back should be Luke Young if he's fit. I think if we can keep any 2 of Clarke, Collins and Cuellar available until the end of the season (I am assuming Dunne has burnt his bridges) then we will give ourselves a decent chance of staying up.
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Stop dicking around, Randy, pull the trigger.
I wish he would Paulie, because you know what, if he dose'nt, i have a horrible feeling that we could be in for one of those 5-0 relegation type drubbings up at Everton. They're more or less safe now, they'll be playing with confidence. The last thing this team needs is a thrashing. I might be wrong though and i hope to god i am.
I was thinking this yesterday as well. I can really see us getting a thumping up there. In a way a thumping could be better than a 1 or 2 nil defeat, as I can't see how GH could survive that. KevMac in charge against N'Castle at home and the support would be immense.
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Left back should be Luke Young if he's fit. I think if we can keep any 2 of Clarke, Collins and Cuellar available until the end of the season (I am assuming Dunne has burnt his bridges) then we will give ourselves a decent chance of staying up.
Cant argue with any of that Chris makes sense to me but its got to make sense to our manager too
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Murphy is always moaning about us. He's a MON licker.
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I think if we fail to win one of the next two games, Randy and his ginger chum will be forced to take action. In my opinion, we should have sacked Houllier after Sunderland - it's too late now and we are on our way down.
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I assumed Dunney was close to returning given he hasn't pulled out of the ROI squad.
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Stop dicking around, Randy, pull the trigger.
I wish he would Paulie, because you know what, if he dose'nt, i have a horrible feeling that we could be in for one of those 5-0 relegation type drubbings up at Everton. They're more or less safe now, they'll be playing with confidence. The last thing this team needs is a thrashing. I might be wrong though and i hope to god i am.
I was thinking this yesterday as well. I can really see us getting a thumping up there. In a way a thumping could be better than a 1 or 2 nil defeat, as I can't see how GH could survive that. KevMac in charge against N'Castle at home and the support would be immense.
The same kev mac who was in charge when we lost 6-0 at Newcastle you mean?
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Thats the one! But don't forget the West Ham and Everton peformances.
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The everton game was identical to the Man city home game, scored early and then hung on grimly for the rest of the game.
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Murphy is always moaning about us. He's a MON licker.
Pat Murphy can fuck off.
Up the Villa.
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Although he's right, Pat Murphy was a pal of MON, He's waiting to dig his claws into us
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The everton game was identical to the Man city home game, scored early and then hung on grimly for the rest of the game.
Yes, We were poor and didn't deserve to win
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Paul Faulkner. Tit.
Agreed, what on earth does he know about football? Since he got the CEO job, everything's gone to ratshit.
Yeah it's all his fault! He wants to stop picking the team and giving the team talks. :rollseyes:
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Stop dicking around, Randy, pull the trigger.
I wish he would Paulie, because you know what, if he dose'nt, i have a horrible feeling that we could be in for one of those 5-0 relegation type drubbings up at Everton. They're more or less safe now, they'll be playing with confidence. The last thing this team needs is a thrashing. I might be wrong though and i hope to god i am.
I was thinking this yesterday as well. I can really see us getting a thumping up there. In a way a thumping could be better than a 1 or 2 nil defeat, as I can't see how GH could survive that. KevMac in charge against N'Castle at home and the support would be immense.
The same kev mac who was in charge when we lost 6-0 at Newcastle you mean?
The game when we were easily the better side for 30 minutes and would have gone on to win the game quite comfortably had Carew scored the penalty?
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Stop dicking around, Randy, pull the trigger.
I wish he would Paulie, because you know what, if he dose'nt, i have a horrible feeling that we could be in for one of those 5-0 relegation type drubbings up at Everton. They're more or less safe now, they'll be playing with confidence. The last thing this team needs is a thrashing. I might be wrong though and i hope to god i am.
I was thinking this yesterday as well. I can really see us getting a thumping up there. In a way a thumping could be better than a 1 or 2 nil defeat, as I can't see how GH could survive that. KevMac in charge against N'Castle at home and the support would be immense.
The same kev mac who was in charge when we lost 6-0 at Newcastle you mean?
The game when we were easily the better side for 30 minutes and would have gone on to win the game quite comfortably had Carew scored the penalty?
Yeah, that's the one. Oh, and the 6th was definitely offside.
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Although he's right, Pat Murphy was a pal of MON, He's waiting to dig his claws into us
Or...he interviews MON when he's doing well for Villa (which he did) and now he's questioning Houllier for being shit. Isn't that just reporting facts and not being biased?
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Stop dicking around, Randy, pull the trigger.
I wish he would Paulie, because you know what, if he dose'nt, i have a horrible feeling that we could be in for one of those 5-0 relegation type drubbings up at Everton. They're more or less safe now, they'll be playing with confidence. The last thing this team needs is a thrashing. I might be wrong though and i hope to god i am.
I was thinking this yesterday as well. I can really see us getting a thumping up there. In a way a thumping could be better than a 1 or 2 nil defeat, as I can't see how GH could survive that. KevMac in charge against N'Castle at home and the support would be immense.
The same kev mac who was in charge when we lost 6-0 at Newcastle you mean?
The game when we were easily the better side for 30 minutes and would have gone on to win the game quite comfortably had Carew scored the penalty?
Yeah, that's the one. Oh, and the 6th was definitely offside.
Good. So long as we're talking about the same game.
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Having listened to the piece I would find it hard to argue with any of Murphy's thoughts, yes he was close to MON but it seems that the previous managers name getting bandied around is a red herring. As Houllier stated himself in an interview, he was left a very good squad and has lurched from one disaster to another.
While there are exceptions like Oliver Holt, most journalists I have read or listened to have been fair regarding our current boss and only stated the facts. For anyone to think that his reign has been anything other than a disaster or to see promise hiding behind the appalling results and PR gaffes is pure fantasy and I think the penny dropped with many people after Saturday.
Supporters of Houllier, whether in the media or not are becoming few and far between, in the main because denying the bleedin' obvious gets more and more difficult.
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Seems we are. Although you don't appear to have watched it.
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Ever Since Faulkner arrived things have been sliding downhill- What are his credentials to run a premiership football club? Let's hope houllier has some pride and walks tomorrow , this is awful.
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faulkner may or not be a poor CEO but MON walking out, Kevin McDonald, Rapid Vienna, Newcastle, conceding in the last minute, not being able to keep a lead, Man city away, Liverpool, Dunne, Warnock, FA Cup, The Shit etc etc are nothing to do with him.
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faulkner may or not be a poor CEO but MON walking out, Kevin McDonald, Rapid Vienna, Newcastle, conceding in the last minute, not being able to keep a lead, Man city away, Liverpool, Dunne, Warnock, FA Cup, The Shit etc etc are nothing to do with him.
Agreed, but we've seen a lot of this sort of thing recently. When things are going badly there is a tendency to lash out in all directions, to blame all and sundry and to blow small issues out of all proportion.
I am hoping that the club aren't allowing themselves to get sucked into this mindset. It's a time for cool heads and clear thinking.
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Stop dicking around, Randy, pull the trigger.
I wish he would Paulie, because you know what, if he dose'nt, i have a horrible feeling that we could be in for one of those 5-0 relegation type drubbings up at Everton. They're more or less safe now, they'll be playing with confidence. The last thing this team needs is a thrashing. I might be wrong though and i hope to god i am.
I was thinking this yesterday as well. I can really see us getting a thumping up there. In a way a thumping could be better than a 1 or 2 nil defeat, as I can't see how GH could survive that. KevMac in charge against N'Castle at home and the support would be immense.
The same kev mac who was in charge when we lost 6-0 at Newcastle you mean?
The game when we were easily the better side for 30 minutes and would have gone on to win the game quite comfortably had Carew scored the penalty?
:) revisionism at its best (presume just a WUM though, Kevin Mac was as bad as Houllier)
Even when we won 3-0 in the first game of the season, there was a lack of discipline in the side. No midfielder bothered tracking back. While Dunne and Warnock were terrible.
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Houllier will not walk, he has far too much pride. The only way this will be resolved is by Randy pulling the trigger.
Man City should have been the final straw. That was one humiliation too many and we are in freefall since.
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Wfaulkner may or not be a poor CEO but MON walking out, Kevin McDonald, Rapid Vienna, Newcastle, conceding in the last minute, not being able to keep a lead, Man city away, Liverpool, Dunne, Warnock, FA Cup, The Shit etc etc are nothing to do with him.
Agreed, but we've seen a lot of this sort of thing recently. When things are going badly there is a tendency to lash out in all directions, to blame all and sundry and to blow small issues out of all proportion.
I am hoping that the club aren't allowing themselves to get sucked into this mindset. It's a time for cool heads and clear thinking.
I agree every one is looking for people to blame, for me its down to the manager, if we get relegated it will be down to the Chairman not taking a decision.
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Personally I think Pat Murphy is an excellent journalist who generally reports it as it is...he has had a bee in his bonnet about Randy not being accessible to the broadcast media but he seems well informed and his interview with GH last week would have been funny if it wasnt so cringeworthy
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Wfaulkner may or not be a poor CEO but MON walking out, Kevin McDonald, Rapid Vienna, Newcastle, conceding in the last minute, not being able to keep a lead, Man city away, Liverpool, Dunne, Warnock, FA Cup, The Shit etc etc are nothing to do with him.
Agreed, but we've seen a lot of this sort of thing recently. When things are going badly there is a tendency to lash out in all directions, to blame all and sundry and to blow small issues out of all proportion.
I am hoping that the club aren't allowing themselves to get sucked into this mindset. It's a time for cool heads and clear thinking.
These aren't small issues, relegation could set us back years. It's a time for strong leadership and decision making. If they'd shown clear thinking instead of appointing Houllier in the first place, we wouldn't be in this mess.
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Wfaulkner may or not be a poor CEO but MON walking out, Kevin McDonald, Rapid Vienna, Newcastle, conceding in the last minute, not being able to keep a lead, Man city away, Liverpool, Dunne, Warnock, FA Cup, The Shit etc etc are nothing to do with him.
Agreed, but we've seen a lot of this sort of thing recently. When things are going badly there is a tendency to lash out in all directions, to blame all and sundry and to blow small issues out of all proportion.
I am hoping that the club aren't allowing themselves to get sucked into this mindset. It's a time for cool heads and clear thinking.
I agree every one is looking for people to blame, for me its down to the manager, if we get relegated it will be down to the Chairman not taking a decision.
This seems fair to me. I can see us continuing to play like shit and Lerner pulling the trigger too late.
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I must say I didn't expect him to walk the plank after the Wolves game.
I would like to see that come to pass, but as it wasn't really on the agenda pre Saturday it would look too much like a knee jerk reaction on the basis of one result. We know it cuts deeper than one result, but perception is everything.
However:
The fact that the topic is even in the public domain at the moment (for the 2nd time in less than three months) means the board/ RL can't avoid the idea even if they'd like to. RL had (and still has) the vast majority of fans onside I'd imagine, despite the issues of last summer. That could change if he exacerbates the current problem for any longer than he absolutely must, just in the mistaken belief that he needs to be seen to stick by GH come what may.
Even a comprehensive defeat to Everton may be the breaking point.
A good result will obviously put it on the backburner for a while yet. He may even be fortunate enough to park the decision until the summer if GH can scratch out the 2/3 victories we need in the last 8 games. The games v Newcastle, Stoke, Wigan, West Ham and West Brom look absolutely crucial in that regard. I'd like to think even if we took it to the last game v Liverpool at home we could pull it off, as they've been very hit and miss on the road this year.
But if we're genuinely dependant on that game I wouldn't fancy the current manager to engender the requisite fight or positivity required.
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has there ever been a manager that has had so many fans AND players against him?
even when we last went down under McNeill, i dont think he was as unpopular with fans and players
the thing that gets me is Faulkner's statement, we are fucked with this tube, we will struggle to get another point with this baffoon in charge, everybody can see this and he comes out with "he is our best chance of keeping us up"
we need to sack him, appoint somebody, even just for the 8 games (6 really - we need all our points before the last 2 games) and just give this whole place, fans and players alike a big fucking lift
it is our last straw to clutch
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Crucially for villa there are actually a fair few managers available out there. There's a right merry go round occurring in Germany freeing up van gaal, magath (allegedly sacked for irregular transfer deals though) plus others. Jol and Klinnsmann also come to mind.
Whilst I agree with the Houllier philosophy his application has been appalling.
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Crucially for villa there are actually a fair few managers available out there. There's a right merry go round occurring in Germany freeing up van gaal, magath (allegedly sacked for irregular transfer deals though) plus others. Jol and Klinnsmann also come to mind.
Whilst I agree with the Houllier philosophy his application has been appalling.
Fuck van gaal off for an idea. He alienated better players than houllier ever had.
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Magath is not avalible
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Pat Murphy is another Oliver Holt. Never liked us but he is quite right about "him".
Mr Murphy sticks the knife into the Villa with relish whenever he gets the chance, he's a bitter baggie and just cant hide it. Throwing in his tuppence worth at the passing of Bobby Robson he happened to mention that it was still a 'personal regret' that Ipswich hadnt won the league when they deserved to in 1981. Grinding his axe at such a moment was cringingly disrespectful, but he just cant help himself.
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MON walking out, Kevin McDonald, Rapid Vienna, Newcastle, conceding in the last minute, not being able to keep a lead, Man city away, Liverpool, Dunne, Warnock, FA Cup,
Sounds like the lyrics to that Billy Joel song.
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Pat Murphy is another Oliver Holt. Never liked us but he is quite right about "him".
Mr Murphy sticks the knife into the Villa with relish whenever he gets the chance, he's a bitter baggie and just cant hide it. Throwing in his tuppence worth at the passing of Bobby Robson he happened to mention that it was still a 'personal regret' that Ipswich hadnt won the league when they deserved to in 1981. Grinding his axe at such a moment was cringingly disrespectful, but he just cant help himself.
Yes I agree. We also nearly always lose when he is the reporter at our games on R5. Witness Saturday....knew we were doomed as soon as I heard his dulcet tones over the airwaves from VP
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So Gerard is our best chance of staying up according to Paul Faulkner?
If that's what he genuinely thinks, we're in even more trouble than i thought.
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has there ever been a manager that has had so many fans AND players against him?
Yes. D'oL and McNeill.
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Crucially for villa there are actually a fair few managers available out there. There's a right merry go round occurring in Germany freeing up van gaal, magath (allegedly sacked for irregular transfer deals though) plus others. Jol and Klinnsmann also come to mind.
Whilst I agree with the Houllier philosophy his application has been appalling.
magath has returned to wolfsburg on a 2 yr deal last week.
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Stop dicking around, Randy, pull the trigger.
Sometimes things just don't work out, and this hasn't.
I'd make doubly sure with a double tap to the forehead
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MON walking out, Kevin McDonald, Rapid Vienna, Newcastle, conceding in the last minute, not being able to keep a lead, Man city away, Liverpool, Dunne, Warnock, FA Cup,
Sounds like the lyrics to that Billy Joel song.
Or perhaps more pertinently, REM's "It's The End Of The World As We Know It" (and I feel shit)!
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Downing has been class for us this season, better than I've seen him ever for Boro.
Downing IMO has like the rest of the team been average at best.
No player this season has been "class"
Was Downing class on Saturday when was at fault for the cross going in for the goal or bottling challenges again in the second half as usual??
I'm sure he just wants us to be where we belong & put all this bullshit behind us.
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Thats the one! But don't forget the West Ham and Everton peformances.
West Ham were awful and Everton were the better team and battered us but couldnt put the ball in the net we could.
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No player this season has been "class"
Was Downing class on Saturday when was at fault for the cross going in for the goal or bottling challenges again in the second half as usual??
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Thats the one! But don't forget the West Ham and Everton peformances.
West Ham were awful and Everton were the better team and battered us but couldnt put the ball in the net we could.
West Ham were awful, but we also played very well indeed.
As someone else said, Everton was just like Man City at home, they mullered us for 89 minutes, in the other minute, we scored.
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Thats the one! But don't forget the West Ham and Everton peformances.
West Ham were awful and Everton were the better team and battered us but couldnt put the ball in the net we could.
West Ham were awful, but we also played very well indeed.
As someone else said, Everton was just like Man City at home, they mullered us for 89 minutes, in the other minute, we scored.
Milner has to take a lot of credit for the West Ham game and we've missed him badly.
Ridiculous that Man City use him on the wing.
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Thats the one! But don't forget the West Ham and Everton peformances.
West Ham were awful and Everton were the better team and battered us but couldnt put the ball in the net we could.
West Ham were awful, but we also played very well indeed.
As someone else said, Everton was just like Man City at home, they mullered us for 89 minutes, in the other minute, we scored.
Milner has to take a lot of credit for the West Ham game and we've missed him badly.
Ridiculous that Man City use him on the wing.
Indeed, what kind of a limp-witted dunderhead would take a player who's played his best football down the middle and stick him out on the wing?
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I just hope all of what has gone on doesn't effect Gordon Cowans too much, what must he be thinking?
Houlliers apointment was a mess from the first minute of interviews, inviting Kevin Mac to apply then not installing him (I personally dont think he is a premier league manager, he is a bit nieve, but he is great with the kids) then signing Houllier who couldn't join us straight away. Garry McCallister was a disaster at Coventry and Leeds.
I followed us from the minute Tommy Doc was manager and supported us through the old 3rd division, I dont want to see us go down again.
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I've heard there is an article in today's Sun from General Krulak - is it on here somewhere?
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I've heard there is an article in today's Sun from General Krulak - is it on here somewhere?
They've just quoted his post from on here and VT.
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If it is true that Dunne could have played and shored up a defence that included a kid playing centre half who is a reserve midfield player and a rookie left back, then this is, in my opinion, the most disgraceful thing that Houllier has done in a long list of cock-ups.
To jepordise our Premier League status because of his own personal vendettas is a sackable offence on its own.
We could have had a back four of Walker, Dunne, Cuellar and Warnock on Saturday, that would have given us more solidity and a chance to win the game.
We need experience, guts, organisation and passion to stay in this league, not flicks, tricks and kids.
For gods sake Houllier just go and put Sid in charge.
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I didn't find much to disagree with Pat Murphy about last night.
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No player this season has been "class"
Was Downing class on Saturday when was at fault for the cross going in for the goal or bottling challenges again in the second half as usual??
Thanks for clearing that up. Your original quote was poor and made it look like I said half the things you did.
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I've heard there is an article in today's Sun from General Krulak - is it on here somewhere?
They've just quoted his post from on here and VT.
Bless him, will he ever learn.
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If it is true that Dunne could have played
I'm still racking my memory banks to recall the incident when Dunne dislocated his shoulder in the City game... I watched the whole thing, I thought that the injury would have been picked up by the commentator at some stage.
Collins' calf injury - the one that he was supposed to have recovered from a week later and still hasn't - has been taking a while to clear up, too.
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3482537/Aston-Villa-are-told-Go-kick-the-cp-out-of-Everton.html
ASTON VILLA have been ordered to 'Kick the crap' out of Everton.
The battle-cry was issued by Vietnam veteran General Charles Krulak, right-hand man to owner Randy Lerner.
Boss Gerard Houllier and his players are under the cosh, a point above the Prem drop zone.
Krulak now wants Villa to fight back, starting against Everton after the international break.
He said: "I know the forces are not football. But when my marines went into battle, they fought for their brothers-in-arms, the men wearing their uniform and emblem.
"When a player wears the club kit and badge, I'd expect the same. We need to kick the crap out of the teams we play until the end of the season!"
Villa chief executive Paul Faulkner has confirmed Houllier's job is safe.
He said: "Villa's best chance of staying up is with Gerard."
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We could have had a back four of Walker, Dunne, Cuellar and Warnock on Saturday, that would have given us more solidity and a chance to win the game. We need experience, guts, organisation and passion to stay in this league, not flicks, tricks and kids. For gods sake Houllier just go and put Sid in charge.
Totally agree with you, other than having Sid - now is not the time for an inexperienced manager. It would be like Newcastle appointig Shearer and look how that worked out.
But about the experience thing - we need to put the incident behind us and play Dunne and Collins, fitness permitting, togther for the next 8 games. I think that gives us a strong enough base to get the points we need.
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Has everyone suddenly forgiven Dunne for attacking Cowans? Or was that all a made up story?
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Has everyone suddenly forgiven Dunne for attacking Cowans? Or was that all a made up story?
That was last weeks crisis.
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I wasn't here last week, what was the actual story with the bust up, was it Dunne & Collins against Sid or the French coach, or both?
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I wasn't here last week, what was the actual story with the bust up, was it Dunne & Collins against Sid or the French coach, or both?
Dunne & Collins v Duverne & Cowans with Delph in the Mills Lane role. I think.
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One at a time or tag team?
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luke young was in the blender too somewhere
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Pat Murphy has a bug up his arse because he's on the outside looking in. Randy will never invite him in for drinks on the patio.
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Milner has to take a lot of credit for the West Ham game and we've missed him badly.
Ridiculous that Man City use him on the wing.
Sightly off-topic, but this is the point a lot of people miss when they say "GH took over a top-6 team". Milner was colossal for us - he did the work of 2 midfielders & was the main reason we stayed in 6th last season.
That doesn't mean we should be where we are now & GH has made some massive blunders, but there's no way we would've been 6th again this season under anyone else.
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Agree completely here Tony. Milner was simply awesome, as the thread we had said paying homage to him, for pretty much all of last season, and gave the best performance of anyone this in a Villa shirt when dismantling West Ham on the opening day. So much so that if he were still here I would predict us to be well clear. Never replaced him, and no one in the squad is capable of it. Maybe Delph in time, but he needs to be playing in midfield.
Reo Coker and Delph together with Makoun in there to give extra stability might be the way to go to get a grip in midfield, play Ash and Downing wide and use Albrighton, Heskey and Gabby from the bench. It would be a grinding results side, but I would bet on us getting the results.
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Agree completely here Tony. Milner was simply awesome, as the thread we had said paying homage to him, for pretty much all of last season, and gave the best performance of anyone this in a Villa shirt when dismantling West Ham on the opening day. So much so that if he were still here I would predict us to be well clear. Never replaced him, and no one in the squad is capable of it. Maybe Delph in time, but he needs to be playing in midfield.
Reo Coker and Delph together with Makoun in there to give extra stability might be the way to go to get a grip in midfield, play Ash and Downing wide and use Albrighton, Heskey and Gabby from the bench. It would be a grinding results side, but I would bet on us getting the results.
Milner has to take a lot of credit for the West Ham game and we've missed him badly.
Ridiculous that Man City use him on the wing.
Sightly off-topic, but this is the point a lot of people miss when they say "GH took over a top-6 team". Milner was colossal for us - he did the work of 2 midfielders & was the main reason we stayed in 6th last season.
That doesn't mean we should be where we are now & GH has made some massive blunders, but there's no way we would've been 6th again this season under anyone else.
I must admit in every live game i saw last season Milner was our MOM in all of them for me. He did the work of 2 players and carried petrov far too much.
In a lot of our our home games last season we were poor and I thought at the time take Milner out of that side and we start to look very very ordinary.
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Hope to McGrath we stay up, fuck Houllier off and go for Moyes or Coyle.
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Personally I think Pat Murphy is an excellent journalist who generally reports it as it is...he has had a bee in his bonnet about Randy not being accessible to the broadcast media but he seems well informed and his interview with GH last week would have been funny if it wasnt so cringeworthy
Yeah I agree with that. Murphy knows his stuff and has good contacts.
That said, I can't work out why he's so upset Randy dosen't talk to the press. It's not like Abramovich or the Glazers ever speak to the press either is it?
His name always raises a chuckle anyway. Was at Bodymoor heath a few years ago with my mum, security guard walks up to her and asks "excuse me, are you Pat Murphy?!"
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On a tangent but radio related,did anyone hear Brian Little on TS with Keys and Gray? I missed it,though i caught them finishing the show,and Gray said if it was for Sir Brian,his career in England wouldnt have developed as it did.
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Milner has to take a lot of credit for the West Ham game and we've missed him badly.
Ridiculous that Man City use him on the wing.
Sightly off-topic, but this is the point a lot of people miss when they say "GH took over a top-6 team". Milner was colossal for us - he did the work of 2 midfielders & was the main reason we stayed in 6th last season.
That doesn't mean we should be where we are now & GH has made some massive blunders, but there's no way we would've been 6th again this season under anyone else.
Even without Milner, our team is no worse than Liverpool's, or Bolton's or Everton's, the teams who are 6th to 8th at the moment. Liverpool in particular have showed the benefit of having the balls to ditch an underperforming manager.
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as did Bolton (Megson ?)
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Sightly off-topic, but this is the point a lot of people miss when they say "GH took over a top-6 team". Milner was colossal for us - he did the work of 2 midfielders & was the main reason we stayed in 6th last season.
That doesn't mean we should be where we are now & GH has made some massive blunders, but there's no way we would've been 6th again this season under anyone else.
I was a huge fan of Milner - even when others were giving him pelters as a wide player - but have to say I disagree.
I started a thread not long after he signed reagrding Bent and whether, all other players being the same, our side would be worse, better or about the same for the 'swap'. The winning vote was that we would be better as a goal scorer was more important to us than Milner.
For what it's worth my own opinion was 'about the same'.
Now, I accept we weren't going to be 6th come May 2011 as he only had bent for half a season, but the points to game ratio from end of Jan onwards should have been at or around that level. It hasn't been.
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Honest to goodness, I'd have Fat Sam on a 1 year rolling deal.
Players get that breath of fresh air feeling, we put some wins together, as we're more than capable of, finish 12th or something like that.
See how the football goes, if its sub-O'Neill, then sack him in the summer, no bother.
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On a tangent but radio related,did anyone hear Brian Little on TS with Keys and Gray? I missed it,though i caught them finishing the show,and Gray said if it was for Sir Brian,his career in England wouldnt have developed as it did.
McGrath was on before Sir Brian too ,as was Ugo, Ugo sounded a little out of touch with the Villa but the two Gods sympathised with the fans ,said a massive massive club like the Villa should never be in this situation ,mistakes had obviously been made but a change at this stage would just cause more disruption for the club and the best bet for now was to have patience, all pull together and drag ourselves over the finishing line.
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On a tangent but radio related,did anyone hear Brian Little on TS with Keys and Gray? I missed it,though i caught them finishing the show,and Gray said if it was for Sir Brian,his career in England wouldnt have developed as it did.
McGrath was on before Sir Brian too ,as was Ugo, Ugo sounded a little out of touch with the Villa but the two Gods sympathised with the fans ,said a massive massive club like the Villa should never be in this situation ,mistakes had obviously been made but a change at this stage would just cause more disruption for the club and the best bet for now was to have patience, all pull together and drag ourselves over the finishing line.
Ta for that,ill try and catch the interviews on the website.
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MM has been banging on for about 4 months now about 6/8 players who are causing serious problems down VP.
I think the actions of the last week show that this might be not to far from the truth. Would i trust Dunne, Warnock,Collins, to help us out of this current situation?......personally No, each has shown unbelievable unprofessionalism over the last 3 months.Regardless of their feelings/concearns, for a professional sporstman to act as Dunne and Collins did is unacceptable.
In some ways i think it is essential that GH wins this battle, and that Dunne and Collins are put in their place.
Now AYoung is going............honest?......put him back on the wing, and get him to play for AVFC, and not for himself.
Downing dispirited?.........so as i when i saw him bottle out of 2 tackles on sat, and show no creativity at all.Wants to go, good let him go, not got the bottle to be a top player.
Are either better than Jarvis, N'zogbia,AJohnson,.....probably not.
We need players who have the drive to want to be better players, most of the above named have not got that, Clark has , Delph has, Walker has, Albrighton has.
In some ways i want GH to survive, get rid of the unprofessional dross, and bring in some players with a bit of respect for us fans
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Pat Murphy is another Oliver Holt. Never liked us but he is quite right about "him".
I think Pat Murphy is pretty even-handed when it comes to talking about all of the Midlands clubs.
He is??
Ever since he had his balls chewed off by Ellis he's always been anti Villa, and only comments on us if he feels he can stir it.
The guys a twank who knows his cricket and comments on football. The day I believe he has the inside at Villa, especially from forked tongue Faulkner, is a long way from arriving.
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MM has been banging on for about 4 months now about 6/8 players who are causing serious problems down VP.
I think the actions of the last week show that this might be not to far from the truth. Would i trust Dunne, Warnock,Collins, to help us out of this current situation?......personally No, each has shown unbelievable unprofessionalism over the last 3 months.Regardless of their feelings/concearns, for a professional sporstman to act as Dunne and Collins did is unacceptable.
In some ways i think it is essential that GH wins this battle, and that Dunne and Collins are put in their place.
Now AYoung is going............honest?......put him back on the wing, and get him to play for AVFC, and not for himself.
Downing dispirited?.........so as i when i saw him bottle out of 2 tackles on sat, and show no creativity at all.Wants to go, good let him go, not got the bottle to be a top player.
Are either better than Jarvis, N'zogbia,AJohnson,.....probably not.
We need players who have the drive to want to be better players, most of the above named have not got that, Clark has , Delph has, Walker has, Albrighton has.
In some ways i want GH to survive, get rid of the unprofessional dross, and bring in some players with a bit of respect for us fans
Very good post, I feel the same way which is partly why I have mostly avoided the Hotlips bashing to date...
Plus I'm looking forward to all those games I can get to in the Championship next season as well as Villa rediscovering a bit of cult status...
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MM has been banging on for about 4 months now about 6/8 players who are causing serious problems down VP.
I think the actions of the last week show that this might be not to far from the truth. Would i trust Dunne, Warnock,Collins, to help us out of this current situation?......personally No, each has shown unbelievable unprofessionalism over the last 3 months.Regardless of their feelings/concearns, for a professional sporstman to act as Dunne and Collins did is unacceptable.
In some ways i think it is essential that GH wins this battle, and that Dunne and Collins are put in their place.
Now AYoung is going............honest?......put him back on the wing, and get him to play for AVFC, and not for himself.
Downing dispirited?.........so as i when i saw him bottle out of 2 tackles on sat, and show no creativity at all.Wants to go, good let him go, not got the bottle to be a top player.
Are either better than Jarvis, N'zogbia,AJohnson,.....probably not.
We need players who have the drive to want to be better players, most of the above named have not got that, Clark has , Delph has, Walker has, Albrighton has.
In some ways i want GH to survive, get rid of the unprofessional dross, and bring in some players with a bit of respect for us fans
Have to say, I agree with this pretty much.
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Pat Murphy is another Oliver Holt. Never liked us but he is quite right about "him".
I think Pat Murphy is pretty even-handed when it comes to talking about all of the Midlands clubs.
He is??
Ever since he had his balls chewed off by Ellis he's always been anti Villa, and only comments on us if he feels he can stir it.
The guys a twank who knows his cricket and comments on football. The day I believe he has the inside at Villa, especially from forked tongue Faulkner, is a long way from arriving.
Rubbish. Pat Murphy was a big defender of Ellis, and his perceived problem with Villa has arisen due to the fact that he doesn't enjoy as close or open a relationship with Lerner as he did Ellis.
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Pat Murphy is another Oliver Holt. Never liked us but he is quite right about "him".
I think Pat Murphy is pretty even-handed when it comes to talking about all of the Midlands clubs.
He is??
Ever since he had his balls chewed off by Ellis he's always been anti Villa, and only comments on us if he feels he can stir it.
The guys a twank who knows his cricket and comments on football. The day I believe he has the inside at Villa, especially from forked tongue Faulkner, is a long way from arriving.
Rubbish. Pat Murphy was a big defender of Ellis, and his perceived problem with Villa has arisen due to the fact that he doesn't enjoy as close or open a relationship with Lerner as he did Ellis.
And the truth is somewhere in the middle. "I'm not a Villa supporter. I have no opinion one way or the other about Doug Ellis."
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Reading this thread is (maybe) a bit like following a discussion in the UN Security Council. Hotheads like Risso/Sarkozy is adamant that something must be done about Houllier/Ghadafi, whereas ditherers like Chris Smith/Obama ask "suppose we do, then what?"
It is true that Liverpool has apparently benefited from firing an underperforming but well-respected manager, and that we could perhaps do the same. The comparison stops there, however. Liverpool had an obvious replacement -- an experienced manager who the board knew would be supported by 99 per cent of the fans no matter what he did. We have no such obvious candidate.
This fact places me in the camp of ditherers. I've been supporting Houllier since he was appointed, claiming that he has enough strong points to be a success and enough weak points to be a failure -- and, of course, hoping for the former. I'm realising that he may end up as the latter, but cannot see a clear (and realistic) alternative that would work better in the short and long term.
For me, there are three worrying factors:
1. Results. 1 point above the relegation zone at this stage is worse than even the most pessimistic predictions. Even so, there are still three teams between us and the relegation zone, which means that at least four of the six teams below us must outperform us between now and the end of the season if we are to be relegated.
2. Negativity. Even if we believe in the manager's long-term plans and philosophy, we are (I feel) starting to approach a point where things are going to far. There is too much negativity stemming from poor results, discontent from fans and player unrest, and if this continues too long it will be difficult to change things around.
3. Houllier's lack of pragmatism. It's clear that he has the courage of his convictions, and that's admirable. And it is also quite clear to me that he was dealt a poorer hand than we thought when he was appointed. However, a good manager should be capable of conceiving game plans that gets the best out of the players at his disposal, even if that game plan isn't perfectly aligned with the long-term goal of how he wants the team to play. Houllier seems uncapable or unwilling to do so.
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MM has been banging on for about 4 months now about 6/8 players who are causing serious problems down VP.
I think the actions of the last week show that this might be not to far from the truth. Would i trust Dunne, Warnock,Collins, to help us out of this current situation?......personally No, each has shown unbelievable unprofessionalism over the last 3 months.Regardless of their feelings/concearns, for a professional sporstman to act as Dunne and Collins did is unacceptable.
In some ways i think it is essential that GH wins this battle, and that Dunne and Collins are put in their place.
Now AYoung is going............honest?......put him back on the wing, and get him to play for AVFC, and not for himself.
Downing dispirited?.........so as i when i saw him bottle out of 2 tackles on sat, and show no creativity at all.Wants to go, good let him go, not got the bottle to be a top player.
Are either better than Jarvis, N'zogbia,AJohnson,.....probably not.
We need players who have the drive to want to be better players, most of the above named have not got that, Clark has , Delph has, Walker has, Albrighton has.
In some ways i want GH to survive, get rid of the unprofessional dross, and bring in some players with a bit of respect for us fans
Pretty much sums up how I feel too.
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MON walking out, Kevin McDonald, Rapid Vienna, Newcastle, conceding in the last minute, not being able to keep a lead, Man city away, Liverpool, Dunne, Warnock, FA Cup,
Sounds like the lyrics to that Billy Joel song.
Houllier
Blown away
What else do I have to say
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MM has been banging on for about 4 months now about 6/8 players who are causing serious problems down VP.
I think the actions of the last week show that this might be not to far from the truth. Would i trust Dunne, Warnock,Collins, to help us out of this current situation?......personally No, each has shown unbelievable unprofessionalism over the last 3 months.Regardless of their feelings/concearns, for a professional sporstman to act as Dunne and Collins did is unacceptable.
In some ways i think it is essential that GH wins this battle, and that Dunne and Collins are put in their place.
Now AYoung is going............honest?......put him back on the wing, and get him to play for AVFC, and not for himself.
Downing dispirited?.........so as i when i saw him bottle out of 2 tackles on sat, and show no creativity at all.Wants to go, good let him go, not got the bottle to be a top player.
Are either better than Jarvis, N'zogbia,AJohnson,.....probably not.
We need players who have the drive to want to be better players, most of the above named have not got that, Clark has , Delph has, Walker has, Albrighton has.
In some ways i want GH to survive, get rid of the unprofessional dross, and bring in some players with a bit of respect for us fans
Have to say, I agree with this pretty much.
I agree with it too, the only reason I don't want him to survive is because he's going to get us relegated.
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I wish people would stop going on about Warnock. Hes been useless and a c**t . He needs fooking off..
Unfortunately the so called manager has not shown much more class in the way he has treated him.
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He might have every reason to treat Warnock this way. We do not know what is going on there do we. How he acts in training, his influence to others. I'm guessing true but something must be wrong.
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Generally when a new manager takes over there might be one or two players who immediately don't see eye to eye with the new methods, if their attitude is poor enough they might even qualify for the tag 'troublemakers.'
I don't think I've heard of a manager taking over before and having 5/6 troublemakers in the squad though.
Carew, Ireland, Warnock, Beye, Collins and Dunne.
Ireland apart, as he's always been a bit of a tit (despite his undoubted talent) none of those players had the reputation of troublemakers in the past. JC can be a bit casual, and there was Tittygate, I suppose. Dunne was a bit of a mess earlier in his career. But they had both been big players for us in recent seasons, their conduct no better or worse than their teammates.
Generally advocating a change of manager is the soft option, it creates more problems than it can solve and I'm not a fan of it.
But in our situation we might actually have 5/6 good players back in the fold. I include JC an Ireland in that, as -if possible- I'd rather have them back here, rather than them contributing in any way, shape or form to Stoke or Newcastle pulling clear of danger. Just one goal or one created chance for their temporary side could have dire consequence for us. Plus in the shite we're in, we need as many options and as many good players as we can get.
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My guess, Kevin, is that most of the players mentioned are mates so have been seen as a clique opposed to the new methods and the action taken is to protect the younger players from their influence.
As I say that is nothing but a guess but otherwise he's cutting off his nose to spite his face and despite everything I don't think he's a stupid man.
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They also had their places put in jeopardy by the new establishment. The new boss said we need to rotate so I can't guarantee you are going to play every week. Then he changed the training methods and level of expectations as professionals. As mates they were all very likely slagging the manager and staff off behind the scenes and the situation never improved and finally exploded. Now the same players that helped us get to 6th, are the ones who have no desire to help out the club. It almost makes you wonder if some of the goals we've let in could have been a two finger salute to the manager. It ended up being a two finger salute to us.
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They also had their places put in jeopardy by the new establishment. The new boss said we need to rotate so I can't guarantee you are going to play every week. Then he changed the training methods and level of expectations as professionals. As mates they were all very likely slagging the manager and staff off behind the scenes and the situation never improved and finally exploded. Now the same players that helped us get to 6th, are the ones who have no desire to help out the club. It almost makes you wonder if some of the goals we've let in could have been a two finger salute to the manager. It ended up being a two finger salute to us.
I think that's the source of the problem. Rotation to GH is like a religion in the same way as a settled side was to MON. However rotating a losing side is utterly pointless, counter productive and ultimately completely self indulgent. Consequently the players would be justified in questioning the efficacy of such a misguided approach.
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Pat Murphy is another Oliver Holt. Never liked us but he is quite right about "him".
I think Pat Murphy is pretty even-handed when it comes to talking about all of the Midlands clubs.
He is??
Ever since he had his balls chewed off by Ellis he's always been anti Villa, and only comments on us if he feels he can stir it.
The guys a twank who knows his cricket and comments on football. The day I believe he has the inside at Villa, especially from forked tongue Faulkner, is a long way from arriving.
Rubbish. Pat Murphy was a big defender of Ellis, and his perceived problem with Villa has arisen due to the fact that he doesn't enjoy as close or open a relationship with Lerner as he did Ellis.
And the truth is somewhere in the middle. "I'm not a Villa supporter. I have no opinion one way or the other about Doug Ellis."
I was listening to the Villa supporters' forum he was at on Radio 5 a few years ago, and he gave quite a long and impassioned defence of Ellis back then.
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I was listening to the Villa supporters' forum he was at on Radio 5 a few years ago, and he gave quite a long and impassioned defence of Ellis back then.
All I can say is what he told me. I remember during the Ellis wars that opinions on him varied depending on what he'd last written.
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Pat Murphy is about as fair minded a reporter on all things Villa as you are likely to get. He defended Doug when he thought it was the correct thing to do, he is rightfully having a go at the current predicament of the club. I mean if you look at this whole sorry episode it is even more galling given that, finally, after all the years of financial shackling of Doug, we had a man in Mr Lerner who in relative terms has decided to well and truly open his wallet and for what, a club a point from the relegation zone facing utter financial ruin should they be relegated with a manager who so befits the Clousseau stereotype you'd think that he was acting like it to wind us all up.
Whatever you think of MO'N and I agree the timing of his exit was shall we say suspicious, do you not think that if he had had the £30m to spend, we would not be anywhere near the predicament we are in now, however bizarre his ransfer methodology appeared to be at times
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Generally when a new manager takes over there might be one or two players who immediately don't see eye to eye with the new methods, if their attitude is poor enough they might even qualify for the tag 'troublemakers.'
I don't think I've heard of a manager taking over before and having 5/6 troublemakers in the squad though.
Carew, Ireland, Warnock, Beye, Collins and Dunne.
Ireland apart, as he's always been a bit of a tit (despite his undoubted talent) none of those players had the reputation of troublemakers in the past. JC can be a bit casual, and there was Tittygate, I suppose. Dunne was a bit of a mess earlier in his career. But they had both been big players for us in recent seasons, their conduct no better or worse than their teammates.
Could Warnock have had any previous with GH at Liverpool and it's carried over to now? Carew obviously does from their Lyon days, although if I was swapped for Milan Baros I wouldn't be too happy with the manager either.
Ireland is obviously insane and would probably have fallen out with whoever was Villa manager.
Dunne looked fat and out of shape pre-season, long before GH was a twinkling in the eye of RL. So he was already showing signs of being unprofessional, something which would I would hope would cause words however was manager.
Collins and Beye are the ones that surprise me more as I can't recall ever hearing of any previous at their other clubs.
Not defending GH, but just wondering if it's less of a surprise that some of them have fallen out with him (or him with them) given previous and mental state/professionalism.
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There was talk about Warnock not liking GH when he was appointed. Warnock was sold to Blackburn by GH too.
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Pat Murphy is about as fair minded a reporter on all things Villa as you are likely to get.
I've always liked Pat Murphy, never seen him as pro or anti Villa just impartial.
The fact he seems to upset Malcolm makes me like him even more.
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There was talk about Warnock not liking GH when he was appointed. Warnock was sold to Blackburn by GH too.
I thought Warnock joined Blackburn a couple of years after GH had left the dippers?
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There was talk about Warnock not liking GH when he was appointed. Warnock was sold to Blackburn by GH too.
Benitez sold Warnock. He wasn't getting in the team for Houllier though.
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Whatever you think of MO'N and I agree the timing of his exit was shall we say suspicious, do you not think that if he had had the £30m to spend, we would not be anywhere near the predicament we are in now, however bizarre his ransfer methodology appeared to be at times
I'd say we wouldn't be in the top six right now, but we also wouldn't be anywhere near the bottom six, either.
MON dropped us in the shit. I'm not going to change my mind on that. However, since his appointment, Houllier has been one managerial disaster after another.
It's so fucking annoying, because I can see sometimes the way he's trying to get us to play, but he just fucks it all up elsewhere, so in the end, the positives count for nothing.
If he got Patrice Bergues in in the summer to work on the defence, I'd be happier about him getting more time, but quite clearly, whatever we do with them now, is not working.
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Whatever you think of MO'N and I agree the timing of his exit was shall we say suspicious, do you not think that if he had had the £30m to spend, we would not be anywhere near the predicament we are in now, however bizarre his ransfer methodology appeared to be at times
I'd say we wouldn't be in the top six right now, but we also wouldn't be anywhere near the bottom six, either.
MON dropped us in the shit. I'm not going to change my mind on that. However, since his appointment, Houllier has been one managerial disaster after another.
It's so fucking annoying, because I can see sometimes the way he's trying to get us to play, but he just fucks it all up elsewhere, so in the end, the positives count for nothing.
If he got Patrice Bergues in in the summer to work on the defence, I'd be happier about him getting more time, but quite clearly, whatever we do with them now, is not working.
or Phil Thompson.....yeah! there-I said it,so....