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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Dazvillain on March 02, 2011, 09:42:56 AM
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http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2011/03/02/sacked-aston-villa-historian-wins-compensation-claim-97319-28262111/ (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2011/03/02/sacked-aston-villa-historian-wins-compensation-claim-97319-28262111/)
Intersting having used some evidence from this site. Also ending comments from Villa that even after the award they stand by their decision
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I won a legal action against Drayton Manor for Funfair dismissal.
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Can't recall that episode on here.
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I got suspended from school because they didn't like my uniform.
I had no idea people were so sensitive about the Gestapo.
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Get the sack from your dream job, then win an industrial tribunal case on a technicality. It's the definition of a Pyrrhic victory. Nice one.
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Can't recall that episode on here.
I do remember it. The gentleman in question was quite haughty in his tone but I can't remember any 'innapropriate' comments.
Still, I guess the thread in question is still here somewhere, unless it got deleted for legal reasons or something.
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Original thread (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/oldhandv0609/viewtopic.php?t=35628&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=135)
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Can't recall that episode on here.
All you need to know is he makes you look thick skinned, Tim
*wink*
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I won a legal action against Drayton Manor for Funfair dismissal.
I was sacked from my job after an argument about the ethics of wearing fake animal skins in fashion.
I took a case against them for unfur dismissal!
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I was sacked because I refused to wear the uniform bell bottomed trousers.
Yes it was unflare dismissal.
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Original thread (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/oldhandv0609/viewtopic.php?t=35628&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=135)
Read through some of the debate/doscussion/argument and you can see why Villa felt Mr Lerwell behaved innapropriately. On the other hand it was great Christmas entertainment!
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Speaking as an Employment Lawyer it seems to me that the Tribunal decision was correct.
The legal test is whether dismissal without notice was "within the range of reasonable responses" open to the employer. That means the conduct has got to be pretty serious, taking into account length of service, previous record and the like.
While Mr Lerwill was being "precious" I don't see anything that was abusive or which brought Aston Villa into disrepute, so he should not have been dismissed. Whether he deserved to be told off is another question.
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i think it is a real shame that someone lost their job over an internet dispute...
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In other news, Quasimodo has been made redundant.
He's got two weeks back pay and a lump sum.
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i think it is a real shame that someone lost their job over an internet dispute...
I agree.
Its also sad that many Villa fans find it a reason to 'joke' I'm sure Mr Lerwill found the situation far from funny, especially as he reads, as we all do many a more serious gaff from other Villa employees, that seem to go unpunished.
Its interesting that the might of Aston Villa can be so rocked by a fan on a fan site expressing an opinion. I thought Randy wanted to hear all, the good, bad and ugly.
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I quite like the way he whined about BE being pedantic in the extreme, then argued his point over the pedantics of how to present a piece of work published over the 'net.
He always was smug though. His website is still a piece of shit too.
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Its interesting that the might of Aston Villa can be so rocked by a fan on a fan site expressing an opinion. I thought Randy wanted to hear all, the good, bad and ugly.
But when he said that he meant about Aston Villa - not about Aston Villa fans. This guy was sacked because AVFC felt, rightly or wrongly, that Mr Lerwell was denigrating people like yourself.
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Its interesting that the might of Aston Villa can be so rocked by a fan on a fan site expressing an opinion. I thought Randy wanted to hear all, the good, bad and ugly.
But when he said that he meant about Aston Villa - not about Aston Villa fans. This guy was sacked because AVFC felt, rightly or wrongly, that Mr Lerwell was denigrating people like yourself.
Yeah, that's our job.
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But when he said that he meant about Aston Villa - not about Aston Villa fans. This guy was sacked because AVFC felt, rightly or wrongly, that Mr Lerwell was denigrating people like yourself.
Was he ?
You sure.
on both statements.
I'm not
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But when he said that he meant about Aston Villa - not about Aston Villa fans. This guy was sacked because AVFC felt, rightly or wrongly, that Mr Lerwell was denigrating people like yourself.
Was he ?
You sure.
on both statements.
I'm not
Pretty sure. That's what was meant by "innapropriate behaviour". It was felt that Mr Lerwell, as an employee of AVFC, spoke in an innapropriate manner to supporters of AVFC on a supporters forum. Perhaps you disagree, but that was the official positon, and one AVFC stand by, despite the findings of the tribunal I gather.
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Do you think the subsequent bad publicity that has ensued is a sackable offence for those that generated it then ?
It surely puts the Villa in a much poorer light than the innocuous comments Mr Lerwill made on this site did.
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To make that judgement you would have to read through the thread. I have looked through and I have already stated that I felt it was understandable how Aston Villa felt Mr Lerwell was behaving innapropriately. Certainly if the General had started making posts like this we would never hear the end of it from both the local and national press. Shoud Mr Lerwell be granted an "easy pass" because he was a less high profile employee?
On the other hand it has been stated on this thread that in strictly legal terms Mr Lerwell probably did not speak in ways that consituted a sackable offense, hence the ruling of the tribunal. At the end of the day this is a highly subjective matter, and as the report only came out today, it cannot be assumed what ramifications that will mean, if any.
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But when he said that he meant about Aston Villa - not about Aston Villa fans. This guy was sacked because AVFC felt, rightly or wrongly, that Mr Lerwell was denigrating people like yourself.
Was he ?
You sure.
on both statements.
I'm not
Pure poetry.
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I remember that thread well, not sure anything he said was really a sackable offence. He came across at times as a very thin skinned pompous goit, but not sure you can get the sack for that. He should only have been sacked if he'd threatened to put his fists all over us.
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Makes you wonder if the club were just looking for an excuse really.
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Remind me to forget it.
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But when he said that he meant about Aston Villa - not about Aston Villa fans. This guy was sacked because AVFC felt, rightly or wrongly, that Mr Lerwell was denigrating people like yourself.
Was he ?
You sure.
on both statements.
I'm not
Pure poetry.
Is that a Haiku? I never can tell.
There's a post from someone that suggests how John Lerwill could have approached the situation. Instead, he came across in a rather condescending manner to say the least. Not the best way of dealing with the situation and certainly not what employees of Aston Villa should be doing. I don't think he should have lost his job though. I just thought he came across as a prat.
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Is that a Haiku? I never can tell.
No a haiku has seven
Syllables followed
By five then seven more, right?
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Understand where the club are coming from. An employee has to conduct theirselves in a professional, respectful manner, Lerwell didn't do that, he chose to be pedantic and condescending toward the fans.
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Is that a Haiku? I never can tell.
No a haiku has seven
Syllables followed
By five then seven more, right?
Dave, I think you'll find that it is nineteen moras - not syllables - in three phases of five, seven and five.
I haven't got a clue about the difference between a syllable and a mora, but I just wanted to be pedantic...
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A syllable is an uninterrupted segment of speech consisting of a center of relatively great sonority with or without one or more accompanying sounds of relatively less sonority. A mora is the quantity of a short syllable in verse represented by the breve. A haiku is a major form of Japanese verse, written in 17 syllables divided into 3 lines of 5, 7, and 5 syllables, and employing highly evocative allusions and comparisons, often on the subject of nature or one of the seasons.
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Understand where the club are coming from. An employee has to conduct theirselves in a professional, respectful manner, Lerwell didn't do that, he chose to be pedantic and condescending toward the fans.
If being pedantic and condescending constitute unprofessionalism then no work place in the land can consider itself a well-run organisation.
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A syllable is an uninterrupted segment of speech consisting of a center of relatively great sonority with or without one or more accompanying sounds of relatively less sonority. A mora is the quantity of a short syllable in verse represented by the breve. A haiku is a major form of Japanese verse, written in 17 syllables divided into 3 lines of 5, 7, and 5 syllables, and employing highly evocative allusions and comparisons, often on the subject of nature or one of the seasons.
You don't count syllables in haikus, you count moras. I want an apology for you suggesting otherwise...
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No! No! I'm being wronged no matter what facts are presented otherwise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku)
Oops!
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I was sacked for going to work without any money and offering the ticket collector a cake. It was considered to be bun fare dismissal.
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Deleted for lack of originality
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Can't recall that episode on here.
All you need to know is he makes you look thick skinned, Tim
*wink*
That's as it may be! :-)
As I've stated on my blog:
"There were some things I stated on the H & V thread which (reflecting upon it in the cold light of day) were probably not best said (and I admitted as such at the Tribunal), but, even so, we're all Villa supporters and it's part of the whole issue of being such that we upset one another from time to time. We all get emotional about things we care about and, indeed, the whole matter occurred after going through a long period of personal stress.
"Certainly, no harm was meant to individuals nor to the club on my part. It was a 'storm in a teacup' as so many people have described it."
Please see http://aston-villa-views.blogspot.com/
John Lerwill
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So you're basically blaming the club for sacking you after you came on here acting the ******?
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So you're basically blaming the club for sacking you after you came on here acting the c***?
Fact: I went on to the thread to point out that I was not the writer of the article referred to and (admittedly) to ask for an apology for the writers' allegations that stated otherwise.
My dismissal - as the Tribunal found - was outside the range of reasonable responses.
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So you're basically blaming the club for sacking you after you came on here acting the c***?
Fact: I went on to the thread to point out that I was not the writer of the article referred to and (admittedly) to ask for an apology for the writers' allegations that stated otherwise.
My dismissal - as the Tribunal found - was outside the range of reasonable responses.
No, you came on this site and started acting the ****** with posters. Something that an employee of the club should not be doing. Quite correctly (in my opinion) they dispensed of your services.
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thought it was all a bit harsh personally. if he'd been having a go at aston villa supporters (which i'm not sure he was really) during office hours then fair enough, but if it was during non-work hours as a civillian then he's just a fan like the rest of us
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if he'd been having a go at aston villa supporters (which i'm not sure he was really) during office hours then fair enough
If that's grounds for dismissal I reckon 90% of us are fucked.
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I'm no expert in litigation, but if it's stipulated as part of your employment that you specifically don't do something (ie visit fan websites) and you do it, I'm not sure you can suggest it is the employer who is somehow at fault/ overly harsh.
It might seem a trivial matter to us, but it was enough of a concern to them (the club) to include it in the first place.
Of course, I'm not in full possession of the facts.
I don't know -for example- whether John signed a contract with that clause included or whether he was simply asked not to in person, on commencement of his employment with AVFC. Maybe the latter would be less watertight/ more open to individual interpretation.
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So you're basically blaming the club for sacking you after you came on here acting the c***?
Fact: I went on to the thread to point out that I was not the writer of the article referred to and (admittedly) to ask for an apology for the writers' allegations that stated otherwise.
Fact2: and whilst doing so you acted like a twat. And if you don't realise that then you've not learned much from the experience.
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The last few comments seem a bit strong. John Lerwell has come on here with an explanatin, and even a bit of an apology. As everyone has said, it was a storm in a teacup, that got blown up out of proportion when someone was a little more sensitive than they perhaps ought to have been. It's happened to us all.
At the end of the day John is an avid Villa supporter, and who provides an informative, if a bit muddled, website, to which I occasionally refer, and for which he should be congratulated, in my opinion. If people cannot be civil to each other, perhaps it is time to give the subject a rest.
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I'm no expert in litigation, but if it's stipulated as part of your employment that you specifically don't do something (ie visit fan websites) and you do it, I'm not sure you can suggest it is the employer who is somehow at fault/ overly harsh.
It might seem a trivial matter to us, but it was enough of a concern to them (the club) to include it in the first place.
Of course, I'm not in full possession of the facts.
I don't know -for example- whether John signed a contract with that clause included or whether he was simply asked not to in person, on commencement of his employment with AVFC. Maybe the latter would be less watertight/ more open to individual interpretation.
There have been some assumptions made - e.g. that my contract of employment contained this and that. I don't know why it's assumed that way, but the fact is that my contract did not contain any stipulations about issues such as this - a fact that the tribunal quickly picked up on.
If my contract did stipulate such things I would hardly do what I did - unless I were a numbskull. Er, don't answer that!! :-)
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The last few comments seem a bit strong. John Lerwell has come on here with an explanatin, and even a bit of an apology. As everyone has said, it was a storm in a teacup, that got blown up out of proportion when someone was a little more sensitive than they perhaps ought to have been. It's happened to us all.
At the end of the day John is an avid Villa supporter, and who provides an informative, if a bit muddled, website, to which I occasionally refer, and for which he should be congratulated, in my opinion. If people cannot be civil to each other, perhaps it is time to give the subject a rest.
Thanks mate. The problem is that those that are using all the unnecessary **** words etc do not know the full picture - nor (I think) does anyone on this site.
Yes, the subject should die a death - let's just leave it.
Incidentally, I'd be very (seriously) interested in what you find on my website that's "muddled".
Cheers,
John
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thought it was all a bit harsh personally. if he'd been having a go at aston villa supporters (which i'm not sure he was really) during office hours then fair enough, but if it was during non-work hours as a civillian then he's just a fan like the rest of us
Yes - it all took place out of work hours, and there was nothing to stipulate restrictions on what I should do out of work hours. Also the fact that I maintained my own site and blog anyway, and did so before I joined the Villa. No mention was made on my joining that I should abandon all that.
Certainly there was no malice intended anyway. That I allowed myself to be goaded was more down to the fact that I was far from being in the best frame of mind at the time - for reasons that would probably be appreciated by you all if they were known.
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Can anyone summarise the last couple of pages? I'm a slow reader
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Incidentally, I'd be very (seriously) interested in what you find on my website that's "muddled".
The words?
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Can anyone summarise the last couple of pages? I'm a slow reader
No, fuck off.
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thought it was all a bit harsh personally. if he'd been having a go at aston villa supporters (which i'm not sure he was really) during office hours then fair enough, but if it was during non-work hours as a civillian then he's just a fan like the rest of us
Yes - it all took place out of work hours, and there was nothing to stipulate restrictions on what I should do out of work hours. Also the fact that I maintained my own site and blog anyway, and did so before I joined the Villa. No mention was made on my joining that I should abandon all that.
Certainly there was no malice intended anyway. That I allowed myself to be goaded was more down to the fact that I was far from being in the best frame of mind at the time - for reasons that would probably be appreciated by you all if they were known.
If anybody was doing any goading it was you. You were extremely rude that day, and while that may not be a sackable offence, I can see why the club wanted to distance themselves from you.
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thought it was all a bit harsh personally. if he'd been having a go at aston villa supporters (which i'm not sure he was really) during office hours then fair enough, but if it was during non-work hours as a civillian then he's just a fan like the rest of us
Yes - it all took place out of work hours, and there was nothing to stipulate restrictions on what I should do out of work hours. Also the fact that I maintained my own site and blog anyway, and did so before I joined the Villa. No mention was made on my joining that I should abandon all that.
Certainly there was no malice intended anyway. That I allowed myself to be goaded was more down to the fact that I was far from being in the best frame of mind at the time - for reasons that would probably be appreciated by you all if they were known.
If anybody was doing any goading it was you. You were extremely rude that day, and while that may not be a sackable offence, I can see why the club wanted to distance themselves from you.
That's my stance on it.
If theyfound in your favour, then good luck to you, that's what they are for, to protect people. Beyond that, I don't really have an opinion on the tribunal.
I do have an opinion on the way you behaved on here, though, which was arrogant and rude.
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Can anyone summarise the last couple of pages? I'm a slow reader
"Oh no I didn't".
"Oh yes you did".
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Gentlemen ... whatever you say I did and how I did it it on that thread, I have a collection of e-mails from estimable people who had and have quite a different opinion.
I suggest we just let bygones be bygones; that's more preferable all round.
I just wish everyone all the best, and leave it at that.
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Can anyone summarise the last couple of pages? I'm a slow reader
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cnOCuJCpPOw/TSvVQwm7YHI/AAAAAAAAAtw/caJ1UZVlOjM/s400/bored-baby.jpg)
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On a lighter note, I got confirmed in a new job at our beloved Aston Villa today.
I'm going to do the statistics and historical info on their website.
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On a lighter note, I got confirmed in a new job at our beloved Aston Villa today.
I'm going to do the statistics and historical info on their website.
Also on a lighter note, I've got a new job as a solicitor and I'm going to handle the unfair dismissal case for the bloke whose just got the job at the Villa to do the statistics and historical info on their website.
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On a lighter note, I got confirmed in a new job at our beloved Aston Villa today.
I'm going to do the statistics and historical info on their website.
Well done, mate. Very good luck to you!! :-)
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On a lighter note, I got confirmed in a new job at our beloved Aston Villa today.
I'm going to do the statistics and historical info on their website.
Also on a lighter note, I've got a new job as a solicitor and I'm going to handle the unfair dismissal case for the bloke whose just got the job at the Villa to do the statistics and historical info on their website.
Shit!
I knew I wouldn't make it to the magical safe 3 month mark.
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Can anyone summarise the last couple of pages? I'm a slow reader
Man sacked by football club for using up the internet's entire stockpile of exclamation marks on H&V^ See, you have to use an alternative now~
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On a lighter note, I got confirmed in a new job at our beloved Aston Villa today.
I'm going to do the statistics and historical info on their website.
Also on a lighter note, I've got a new job as a solicitor and I'm going to handle the unfair dismissal case for the bloke whose just got the job at the Villa to do the statistics and historical info on their website.
Shit!
I knew I wouldn't make it to the magical safe 3 month mark.
:-) ... But it's actually 12 months - you can't take ET action within that time-frame.
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(http://www.seriouslybusiness.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/alan-sugar-amstrad-and-the-apprentice.jpg)
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On a lighter note, I got confirmed in a new job at our beloved Aston Villa today.
I'm going to do the statistics and historical info on their website.
Also on a lighter note, I've got a new job as a solicitor and I'm going to handle the unfair dismissal case for the bloke whose just got the job at the Villa to do the statistics and historical info on their website.
Shit!
I knew I wouldn't make it to the magical safe 3 month mark.
:-) ... But it's actually 12 months - you can't take ET action within that time-frame.
What? He can't go home?
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On a lighter note, I got confirmed in a new job at our beloved Aston Villa today.
I'm going to do the statistics and historical info on their website.
Also on a lighter note, I've got a new job as a solicitor and I'm going to handle the unfair dismissal case for the bloke whose just got the job at the Villa to do the statistics and historical info on their website.
Shit!
I knew I wouldn't make it to the magical safe 3 month mark.
:-) ... But it's actually 12 months - you can't take ET action within that time-frame.
What? He can't go home?
Are we talking about ET?
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I'm thinking of taking my employer to an industrial tribunal. Yesterday they made me interview Sharon Stone while she was standing outside in the cold wearing a very tight dress.
Her nipples were like the wheelnuts on a Scania truck. I don't think I will sleep properly for months
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Gentlemen ... whatever you say I did and how I did it it on that thread, I have a collection of e-mails from estimable people who had and have quite a different opinion.
Is it me or does he still come across as being a bit arrogant and condescending?
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I wonder what you have to do to be considered estimable. Estimable, estimable it is one of those words you say in your sleep which swim about in your subconscious mind like eels made of letters. Doctor, doctor am I estimable or inestimable? I must know. Fuck, now I have knocked that glass of water all over the duvet. Dennis Potter had the same trouble with the word elbow.
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Who wants to be held in esteem anyway?
I don't want to be held at all. Leave me the fuck alone.
I want to be free to do what I want to do.
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On a lighter note, I got confirmed in a new job at our beloved Aston Villa today.
I'm going to do the statistics and historical info on their website.
Also on a lighter note, I've got a new job as a solicitor and I'm going to handle the unfair dismissal case for the bloke whose just got the job at the Villa to do the statistics and historical info on their website.
Shit!
I knew I wouldn't make it to the magical safe 3 month mark.
:-) ... But it's actually 12 months - you can't take ET action within that time-frame.
What? He can't go home?
Are we talking about ET?
[/quoteOn a lighter note, I got confirmed in a new job at our beloved Aston Villa today.
I'm going to do the statistics and historical info on their website.
Also on a lighter note, I've got a new job as a solicitor and I'm going to handle the unfair dismissal case for the bloke whose just got the job at the Villa to do the statistics and historical info on their website.
Shit!
I knew I wouldn't make it to the magical safe 3 month mark.
:-) ... But it's actually 12 months - you can't take ET action within that time-frame.
What? He can't go home?
Are we talking about ET?
Why did you use your bad health and your's wife's (which is really bad by the way) to excuse your arrogant and damn stupid behavior on this site?
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In my experience, an employee 'winning' an unfair dismissal tribunal award doesn't necessarily mean they were right and the employer was wrong [often it's six of one and half a dozen of the other anyway], but that the employer didn't follow agreed procedures.
Here's some bumph on unfair dismissal:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/RedundancyAndLeavingYourJob/Dismissal/DG_10026692
Some employers have 'I like my employer' type groups on Facebook. There's no way on earth I'd join any such group. Where I work, comments made on Facebook have been included in disciplinary hearings, and whilst I'm not aware of any action being taken about staff posting on Facebook when off sick, have heard cynical comments about staff being off sick with migraines spending the day posting on Facebook.
In other words, if you want to comment in public about your employers, don't be shocked if the comments come back and bite you on the backside.
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'Estimable'. I have the same problem with 'enervated'.
I got home from work the other night and realised that I was either enervated, or not.
I wish I drank less. Or more.
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If somebody has gone up in your estimation, does that mean you are going to sell them as a slave or are thinking of harvesting their organs?
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I'm thinking of taking my employer to an industrial tribunal. Yesterday they made me interview Sharon Stone while she was standing outside in the cold wearing a very tight dress.
Her nipples were like the wheelnuts on a Scania truck. I don't think I will sleep properly for months
Bromide tablets for Mr Green please matron
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Gentlemen ... whatever you say I did and how I did it it on that thread, I have a collection of e-mails from estimable people who had and have quite a different opinion.
Is it me or does he still come across as being a bit arrogant and condescending?
thats not the point really. if he upsets H & V then they can ban him, but losing yer job is over the top. 15 years ago everyone knew the rules of the internet and played by them -i.e. if you lost an arguement or got a bit upset by anything - hard luck. now due to the efforts of various governments, companies and lawyers,its full of kiddies, dullard celebrities droning on twitter and shopping sites. If you're likely to want to sue someone or sack them because of something they say about you then really you shouldn't be on the internet - you're ruining it. I don't know if anyone complained to the club about him but if they did they're a bit of a tart and should grow some balls. If the club just decided to sack him on the basis that it may be have upset someone then whoever did it was bit of a tart. That all IMO in case some knobhead wants to sue me - i wouldn't put it past them :0)
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Gentlemen ... whatever you say I did and how I did it it on that thread, I have a collection of e-mails from estimable people who had and have quite a different opinion.
Is it me or does he still come across as being a bit arrogant and condescending?
thats not the point really. if he upsets H & V then they can ban him, but losing yer job is over the top. 15 years ago everyone knew the rules of the internet and played by them -i.e. if you lost an arguement or got a bit upset by anything - hard luck. now due to the efforts of various governments, companies and lawyers,its full of kiddies, dullard celebrities droning on twitter and shopping sites. If you're likely to want to sue someone or sack them because of something they say about you then really you shouldn't be on the internet - you're ruining it. I don't know if anyone complained to the club about him but if they did they're a bit of a tart and should grow some balls. If the club just decided to sack him on the basis that it may be have upset someone then whoever did it was bit of a tart. That all IMO in case some knobhead wants to sue me - i wouldn't put it past them :0)
Bollocks Greg, he was told by the club to stop coming on here and acting like a twat.He carried on being a twat.
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its in his own time. He allowed to be a fan of aston villa and argue the toss like everyone else, or do you advocate only non-villa supporters being employed by the club?
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its in his own time. He allowed to be a fan of aston villa and argue the toss like everyone else, or do you advocate only non-villa supporters being employed by the club?
A fan who couldn't find his way to VP for 20 years.
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Can we please knock this one on the head. It's getting a bit like a witch hunt.
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Can we please knock this one on the head. It's getting a bit like a witch hunt.
Why did he come back on here today?
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I've no idea.
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I've no idea.
I've no idea.
Fair enough,no more off me unless he comes back on.
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Gentlemen ... whatever you say I did and how I did it it on that thread, I have a collection of e-mails from estimable people who had and have quite a different opinion.
I suggest we just let bygones be bygones; that's more preferable all round.
I just wish everyone all the best, and leave it at that.
Which probably would have happened had you not decided to come back on here for a bit of a gloat.
Now everyone has been reminded of just how much of a twat you made of yourself in the original thread.
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Gentlemen ... whatever you say I did and how I did it it on that thread, I have a collection of e-mails from estimable people who had and have quite a different opinion.
Is it me or does he still come across as being a bit arrogant and condescending?
Not really. Not from that comment anyway. He's only trying to back up his side of things, which he has every right to do.
I'm not siding with him either, before anyone suggests it. I don't enough about the situation to side with anyone.
I do know that employees at Villa now have to sign an Internet usage policy. Probably off the back of this case I should imagine.
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Huh. he gets everywhere. Even in Dec 2009.
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Aye. its not how he acted, but the consequences. if it had been the other way round and say Risso or Bad English had been reported to their employers or their employers had found them on this site and told them not to come on during their own time because it wasn't what they wanted their employees doing - well quite frankly fuck 'em. None of their business. There's been a hell of a lot worse handbags on here with bannings than that little arguement and that was the end of it.- no-one lost their job or got a writ.
Lets not forget our esteemed ex-manager winning a case from a website printing a readers (not a journalist's) letter calling him an idiot which basically means GH can sue the pants off most of you if he can prove it. If we're going down that road, well H & V might as well shut up shop because we'll have half the members sueing each other or defending unfair dismissal cases
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Time for cocoa. goodnight all
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I'm thinking of taking my employer to an industrial tribunal. Yesterday they made me interview Sharon Stone while she was standing outside in the cold wearing a very tight dress.
Her nipples were like the wheelnuts on a Scania truck. I don't think I will sleep properly for months
And you didn't take any photos? Sorry I gave up reading the rest of the thread after reading this, it's much more interesting.
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seems some on here have their own agenda wih this one. The guy was sacked from his job by the mighty Villa hierachy after making some comments defending his position on here, against the playground yobs and their followers. A Tribunal found for him, which alone is some justification, yet still the yob mentality prevails and continued criticism of him and his position tries to belittle attempts to explain his position.
I'm not sure which I deplore most the twats who for their own reasons engineered his sacking over a trivial act or their followers on here. The Lerg may not be the most site savvy of fans he may not have been down much in the last 20 years but he's a fan nevertheless and a brief scan of his site shows me he knows more about the Villa, especially its history than his mealy mouthed critics on here.
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seems some on here have their own agenda wih this one. The guy was sacked from his job by the mighty Villa hierachy after making some comments defending his position on here, against the playground yobs and their followers.
You're only upset because we keep spitting on your parka, weedy Everall.
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seems some on here have their own agenda wih this one. The guy was sacked from his job by the mighty Villa hierachy after making some comments defending his position on here, against the playground yobs and their followers. A Tribunal found for him, which alone is some justification, yet still the yob mentality prevails and continued criticism of him and his position tries to belittle attempts to explain his position.
I'm not sure which I deplore most the twats who for their own reasons engineered his sacking over a trivial act or their followers on here. The Lerg may not be the most site savvy of fans he may not have been down much in the last 20 years but he's a fan nevertheless and a brief scan of his site shows me he knows more about the Villa, especially its history than his mealy mouthed critics on here.
Nobody engineered his sacking, nobody has a hdden agenda and for you of all people to rail against internet 'criticism' is laughable.
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against the playground yobs and their followers.
Apologies if this makes me sound like a 'playground yob' but will you please change the fucking record. You really are a tiresome berk Malcolm.
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I still don't get it.
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I still don't get it.
Then you need to hand over your dinner money and roll your sleeves up for a chinese burn.
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I still don't get it.
Then you need to hand over your dinner money and roll your sleeves up for a chinese burn.
All gather in a circle round Morrissey and give him a 'knees up.'
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I still don't get it.
Then you need to hand over your dinner money and roll your sleeves up for a chinese burn.
All gather in a circle round Morrissey and give him a 'knees up.'
Mummy, my bum hurts.
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I still don't get it.
Then you need to hand over your dinner money and roll your sleeves up for a chinese burn.
All gather in a circle round Morrissey and give him a 'knees up.'
Put his head down the toilet and shove a burger in his gob.
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Can't see why the club sacked him. From what I read he defended himself against criticism, maybe got a bit up himself and precious while doing it and ruffled a few (in my opinion) over-sensitive H&V posters feathers. Hardly sackable offences and I think the club have acted ridiculously on this occasion.
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I'm just pleased to see that everyone is discussing it in such a polite and friendly manner. I can't wait till Martin O'Neill has his LMA tribunal ;-)
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Aye. its not how he acted, but the consequences. if it had been the other way round and say Risso or Bad English had been reported to their employers or their employers had found them on this site and told them not to come on during their own time because it wasn't what they wanted their employees doing - well quite frankly fuck 'em. None of their business. There's been a hell of a lot worse handbags on here with bannings than that little arguement and that was the end of it.- no-one lost their job or got a writ.
Lets not forget our esteemed ex-manager winning a case from a website printing a readers (not a journalist's) letter calling him an idiot which basically means GH can sue the pants off most of you if he can prove it. If we're going down that road, well H & V might as well shut up shop because we'll have half the members sueing each other or defending unfair dismissal cases
If Risso went on a site dedicated to his company's customers and acted the way John did you could see why they would be concerned. I'm not saying it's a sacking matter but they might have an opinion.
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Aye. its not how he acted, but the consequences. if it had been the other way round and say Risso or Bad English had been reported to their employers or their employers had found them on this site and told them not to come on during their own time because it wasn't what they wanted their employees doing - well quite frankly fuck 'em. None of their business. There's been a hell of a lot worse handbags on here with bannings than that little arguement and that was the end of it.- no-one lost their job or got a writ.
Lets not forget our esteemed ex-manager winning a case from a website printing a readers (not a journalist's) letter calling him an idiot which basically means GH can sue the pants off most of you if he can prove it. If we're going down that road, well H & V might as well shut up shop because we'll have half the members sueing each other or defending unfair dismissal cases
If Risso went on a site dedicated to his company's customers and acted the way John did you could see why they would be concerned. I'm not saying it's a sacking matter but they might have an opinion.
Exactly. I have to tread very carefully on the forums at offshoretaxdodgingtoryscum.net.
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You'd have to defect to Lundy, or St Kilda, and get a new job as a puffin
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There is some irony on this thread with the sentiment of some of the posts accusing someone else of acting like a see you next tuesday.
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Can't recall that episode on here.
All you need to know is he makes you look thick skinned, Tim
*wink*
Ha ha
I can't understand why he was sacked myself ....
As Dave Cooper said, looks like the club were looking for an excuse to me.
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It's like rain on summer's day
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Can't recall that episode on here.
All you need to know is he makes you look thick skinned, Tim
*wink*
Ha ha
I can't understand why he was sacked myself ....
As Dave Cooper said, looks like the club were looking for an excuse to me.
Looks to me like it was money well spent.
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seems some on here have their own agenda wih this one. The guy was sacked from his job by the mighty Villa hierachy after making some comments defending his position on here, against the playground yobs and their followers.
It was a little more than that Malc, he was demanding apologies all round and generally acting the giddy goat.
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This place has really gone downhill these last 12 months. This thread is a perfect illustration of that.
It makes me sad because I used to spend hours on here and loved it. I'll blame the shambles at the club for having a detrimental effect on the general levels of courtesy and good will
:-(
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Courtesy and good will acts both ways, when Lerwill came on here demanding apologies for a quite natural understanding he made himself look like a total arse.
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Courtesy and good will acts both ways, when Lerwill came on here demanding apologies for a quite natural understanding he made himself look like a total arse.
There's something wrong here, Dave, isn't there, when I came on to this thread with an extended hand and got it cut off. And I think that is what the previous poster was alluding to.
But just to clear up the assertion you just made - it was by no means a "quite natural understanding" about who had written the OS McGregor article. It was more the case that a couple of persons just decided to look at it that way. (As *you* stated at the time, if you had thought that I had written that article you would not want to get a copy of The Chronicles - by your statement you confirmed the reason why I needed to get the matter cleared.)
If that was not the case, then when I *asked* for an apology (*not* demanded it) then the persons concerned would surely have made an apology (even a half-apology or simple admittance, like, "uh, oh yeah, it does not say you had written it.") and left it that.
Anyway, I came onto this thread to offer an extended hand - pure and simple. If it is not to be taken in the way intended then that is not my loss. C'est la vie.
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If I write you a cheque for 28 grand, will you go away?
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If I write you a cheque for 28 grand, will you go away?
Why 28 grand? :-)
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Courtesy and good will acts both ways, when Lerwill came on here demanding apologies for a quite natural understanding he made himself look like a total arse.
There's something wrong here, Dave, isn't there, when I came on to this thread with an extended hand and got it cut off. And I think that is what the previous poster was alluding to.
Was meant to say 'misunderstanding' by the way!
No John, you came on here demanding apologies from us because we, quite understandably, thought you were the author of a badly written piece on Pravda.
If you had come on here and just explained that it wasn't you, and then maybe got the OS to re-jig the article so it was obvious they were just quoting you rather than you having written it then I doubt we would have had a multi-page thread and I doubt we would be having this conversation.
But you didn't, you leapt in with both feet and acted like a pompous arse.
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Dave, can you please go back and read my last post again.
I said I *this time* came onto this thread with hand extended...
As for what happened on the original thread is your view (and some others) ... as I've said before I've got a collection of e-mails that proffer different points of view.
I didn't handle the original thread as well as I would have liked, but don't accuse just me of what you describe, because that's not the total truth of it.
As I said above, I this time came in with a hand extended - are you going to cut it off as well?
BTW, I see that you've now referred to me as 'John' and not (this time) 'Lerwill' - that's a positive step forward at least! :-))
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I have absolutely no idea why you felt the need to come back at all, except probably to gloat about your 'victory' of course, you don't like us much and in general the feeling is mutual, stick to sites where you get nowt but praise and commiserations, and go and read all those lovely e-mails. That way your incredibly thin ego won't be punctured by bad reviews and criticism.
But hey-ho, if you want a virtual handshake, here's a sweaty, limp one. Ta-ra a bit.
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I have absolutely no idea why you felt the need to come back at all, except probably to gloat about your 'victory' of course, you don't like us much and in general the feeling is mutual, stick to sites where you get nowt but praise and commiserations, and go and read all those lovely e-mails. That way your incredibly thin ego won't be punctured by bad reviews and criticism.
But hey-ho, if you want a virtual handshake, here's a sweaty, limp one. Ta-ra a bit.
Boimey, I'm guessing there is some sort of back story here because otherwise this talk of "us" not liking each other seems well over the top.
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I have absolutely no idea why you felt the need to come back at all, except probably to gloat about your 'victory' of course, you don't like us much and in general the feeling is mutual, stick to sites where you get nowt but praise and commiserations, and go and read all those lovely e-mails. That way your incredibly thin ego won't be punctured by bad reviews and criticism.
But hey-ho, if you want a virtual handshake, here's a sweaty, limp one. Ta-ra a bit.
Dave, I'm a great believer in the idea of a peaceful world, and that can only come about when people realise that there's more than one point of view and that the only way forward is meeting in a common ground - which, for us, I would have thought, is Aston Villa.
So I am very saddened about what you've just written ...
But "gloating over my victory"? You have to be joking - the sacking plunged me into all kinds of problems (particularly when my wife had to give up work because of ailments) and I've had many nightmares.
Even though the tribunal verdict went solidly my way, I had no sense of victory about it - nothing at all.
If you'll read back to when I came onto this thread you'll see that it's wording was nothing about my tribunal "victory" at all.
OK, so be it.
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I have absolutely no idea why you felt the need to come back at all, except probably to gloat about your 'victory' of course, you don't like us much and in general the feeling is mutual, stick to sites where you get nowt but praise and commiserations, and go and read all those lovely e-mails. That way your incredibly thin ego won't be punctured by bad reviews and criticism.
But hey-ho, if you want a virtual handshake, here's a sweaty, limp one. Ta-ra a bit.
Boimey, I'm guessing there is some sort of back story here because otherwise this talk of "us" not liking each other seems well over the top.
Chris, there were some who were unhappy that I was appointed at Villa Park.
That I happened to be about the only person available with the set of skills and knowledge required seems to have passed by their notice.
But that's the past ... I'm out now, so there's nothing to squabble about I would have thought.
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Chris, there were some who were unhappy that I was appointed at Villa Park.
Absolutely nothing to do with this whatsoever, in fact I believe I congratulated you on your appointment on the mailing list.
I'm leaving this now, it's obviously just me and there's no point in arguing the toss on a public forum.
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Chris, there were some who were unhappy that I was appointed at Villa Park.
Absolutely nothing to do with this whatsoever, in fact I believe I congratulated you on your appointment on the mailing list.
I'm leaving this now, it's obviously just me and there's no point in arguing the toss on a public forum.
If that's not the case, then what's the beef???
You know my e-mail address ... write direct if you'd care to talk off-line.
I don't have any hang-ups.
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"That I happened to be about the only person available with the set of skills and knowledge required seems to have passed by their notice."
I think it was your sense of modesty that charmed us.
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If that's not the case, then what's the beef???
Can't you just accept that not everyone loves you?
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"That I happened to be about the only person available with the set of skills and knowledge required seems to have passed by their notice."
I think it was your sense of modesty that charmed us.
Just stating a fact ... it's nothing to do with what you say.
I know that Dave Woodhall (for starters) would not have been interested in taking up the post. I repeat - I just happened to have the skills required and at the time they were required.
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If that's not the case, then what's the beef???
Can't you just accept that not everyone loves you?
I'm not asking to be "loved"!!!!!! :-))
I hate sloppy kisses!
But being straight-forward (if that's what the beef is) is a positive I've found. I'm not (I hope) a person who stabs in the back or holds malice.
If I don't try to do those two things then life should be OK in my book - nothing else is really pertinent.
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Can't we draw a line under it now?
No need to keep sniping at the bloke.