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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on December 25, 2010, 11:29:47 AM
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Available Sunday evening.
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A win today could see us move up 6 places into the top 9 and only 4 points behind spurs so this IS a huge game -players coming back into fitness and the transfer window almost here- things may not be as bad as some think!
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Delph starts!
Agbonlahor returns. But Young is out!
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Come on you Villa boys
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Where's the creativity in midfield? Bannan on the bench? Delph preferred over Reo-Coker? Wow. Thank fuck I'm too ill to go :(
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Delph and who in centre midfield?hogg?
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Young out, suspicious. Hmm.
Good luck young Delph, fingers crossed he comes through this game ok.
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Let's not be at home to Mr Cock Up today Villa.
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I am delighted to see Delph back, bit concerned about him starting but he must be ok.
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Friedel; Lichaj, Cuellar, Collins, Warnock; Albrighton, Delph, Hogg, Downing; Agbonlahor, Heskey.
Subs: Guzan, Pires, Delfouneso, Petrov, Reo-Coker, Clark, Bannan.
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What a fucking joke, Hogg instead of NRC??? What the fuck?
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To be fair I think if Delph needs to come off NRC is his replacement. Delph needs games to get fit.
In the long run Delph is our way forward not NRC, and lets face it we aint in the running for top spot are we.
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Strong bench - petrov or nige for hogg and we would look pretty solid- interesting to see how this team plays without ash as it could soon become the norm.
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Delph instead of Bannan? Can he really be match fit?
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What a fucking joke, Hogg instead of NRC??? What the fuck?
Strange one yes. Maybe Nige isn't quite fit enough yet, but then again, Delph is playing.
Hoggy has been playing well mind you, so deserves to keep his spot to be fair.
It's a gamble playing Delph this soon, so hopefully it pays off.
2 up front is good to see. We need goals.
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Friedel; Lichaj, Cuellar, Collins, Warnock; Albrighton, Delph, Hogg, Downing; Agbonlahor, Heskey.
Subs: Guzan, Pires, Delfouneso, Petrov, Reo-Coker, Clark, Bannan.
ridiculous team selection, plus a bench with four midfielders. If this goes pear shaped today........
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Friedel; Lichaj, Cuellar, Collins, Warnock; Albrighton, Delph, Hogg, Downing; Agbonlahor, Heskey.
Subs: Guzan, Pires, Delfouneso, Petrov, Reo-Coker, Clark, Bannan.
Not so sure about that...
*scratching chin whiskers
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I'm not sure I would call it ridiculous, it looks decent enough to me.
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What about Lichaj at RB? Bale will murder him!
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I'm with you Paul, the team looks pretty decent to me. My only concern is if Delph is fit, but thats what getting games behind him is all about.
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NRC came on against Albion and did'nt over impress tbh.Hogg had a good game.
Delph could be one of the best players in the league, and if the manager thinks hes fit then good.
Creativity comes from Albrighton and Downing.
Going to have a go by the look of it, and bothe their FBs are weak.Quite happy with the team tbh.
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Give it what you've got lads.
Come on you Villa Boys!
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Ive no problem with delph starting, it's the fact NRC isn't!
Bannan has Bren poor recently, but let's hope the gamble pays off! NRC will be fit for man city!
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I'm hoping with Heskey playing so well, he can get the best out of Agbonlahor. There could be a very good partnership there. We'll see.
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Houllier continues to dismay. Modric, Palacios and Van Der Vart against Delph and Hogg. Is he insane?
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Houllier continues to dismay. Modric, Palacios and Van Der Vart against Delph and Hogg. Is he insane?
Yes. Yes he is.
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Crazy line up. Cant work out how that line up will work at all.
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Hmmm. Delph coming straight back in is a bit of an odd one. I can see the logic in Hogg being in ahead of NRC but I would think that playing 4-4-2 is a bit of a recipe for disaster against Spurs midfield 5. I'd have perhaps put NRC in ahead of Gabby to shore up the midfield.
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Houllier continues to dismay. Modric, Palacios and Van Der Vart against Delph and Hogg. Is he insane?
Yes. Yes he is.
Jesus. We're gonna get murdered. I'd always had Arry down as a 4-4-2 kind of guy. There's a big onus on Hogg to look after Modric and VDV. Delph is more attack minded. I don't ever see Delph being a water carrier in any way shape or form. He can't tackle for starters. If we don't get the front foot, then this could go pear shaped and Delph could disappear.
Personally against that Spurs mid, I'd have playing Coker, Hogg and Delph, and kept Gab on the bench.
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I fear this evening isn't going to go so well.
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Houllier continues to dismay. Modric, Palacios and Van Der Vart against Delph and Hogg. Is he insane?
Yes. Yes he is.
Delph is more attack minded. I don't ever see Delph being a water carrier in any way shape or form. He can't tackle for starters.
And bearing in mind Fabian likes to collect a card or three of varying colours, quite frequently.
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dont get what the issue is with the midfield. NRCs whole game is built around him running around closing down opposition players- he uses his speed, strength and fitness to win the ball. take that away and he is pretty useless- he cant run with the ball, he cant pass very well, he cant create and he cant shoot.
given NRC is not going to be match fit id rather have hogg in DM, and hogg is better on the ball as well. and although Delph probably wont be that match fit either, at least he can control the ball and do something with it.
its an attacking line up and fair play. we are at home we have to go for it- spurs defence isnt that great and if we sit back they will just run rings around us
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Got a feeling Spurs may score more than the Aussies did this morning with that midfield 'match up'. A hammering is on the cards here and no mistake. What is Houllier doing?
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It's a shame. I really don't think that is the right team and a team that will be capable of beating Sperms. On that we will see I suppose.
A win would really hit the spot as we would pull well out of trouble. Up to ninth and maybe collecting another three points against Sunderland will provide us with a healthy cushion before some tough fixtures.
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Houllier continues to dismay. Modric, Palacios and Van Der Vart against Delph and Hogg. Is he insane?
Palacios is a water carrier but Delph and Hogg wont be able to hold Modric and Van der Vaart in particular. NRC would be perfect for today and its insane that he hasnt been selected. There was an argument for bringing Petrov in too with Heskey up top by himself.
Lennon v Warnock, Bale v Lichaj and with an extra body in midfield to ensure the 1v1s!!!. Thankfully they have gone with Defoe up top instead of the Russian. Defoe needs to play off a big man but will probably lash in a hat trick to prove me wrong.
Downing might have some joy against Hutton who isnt a great defender apart from that I dont hold much hope for today
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Here's a link for the game http://sportstream24.com/england_football/watch_online_1
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This is definitely not the team I would have put out against Spurs!
Plenty of goals in this game, great for television and for the neutral!
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Big Risk the midfield too be honest. Guess Ged is going for the kids will have no fear.
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fuck that was close
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Good start..
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So close.
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unintentional but nasty from Albrighton on Palacios.
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Oi up chaps, hows it going?
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great save Brad, they carved us open.
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GT speaking good sense on Radio Five Live. Says we've suffered for the manager leaving and the new man coming in and needing to make his changes has obviously lead to our problems and we need time. Also mentioned the problems with O'Neill's transfer policy.
Good save from Brad.
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Bugger that links gone
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anyone got a link?
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6816 on Sopcast is serving me well.
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Cheers, just loaded that.
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Bloody penalty
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http://www.tvfooti.com/channel1.html
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"I wouldn't give a penalty for that" says the co-commentator, that's cos you're a ****** that doesn't know the rules.
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"I wouldn't give a penalty for that" says the co-commentator, that's cos you're a c*** that doesn't know the rules.
Yeah, two talking twats on that channel.
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"It probably was a foul". THEN ITS A FUCKING PENALTY YOU TWONK
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Apparently Spurzzzzz have some injuries....
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We're a match for them so far. Need to keep it up
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sorted... feck, we are gonna get hammered here
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andy gray winding me up again. such a big fat know-it-all, had enough of those at the inlaws this christmas thanks very much
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"I wish Heskey would get out of the way"...
If only we had more than one camera angle...then we wouldn't have to worry about players being on the field.
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andy gray winding me up again. such a big fat know-it-all, had enough of those at the inlaws this christmas thanks very much
I cancelled Sky Sport because of that wanker. I hate the ****** with an irrational passion.
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Evening all.
Nice open game this, we are every bit as good as them.
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Gabby Gabby!! Beautiful play
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oh, Gabby. Could have done better.
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I think we need to go all out attack here, we cant defend so we might as well go for it
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http://livetv.ru/webplayer.php?t=freedocast&c=5320428E31E32145109F&lang=en&eid=62396&lid=55989&ci=1&si=1
jic
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Who is captain today? Collins?
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Hard to see finishing 0-0 anyway
Wahey Stephen Warnock down injured again
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This is frustrating, part of me thinks we are in for a right lashing and part of me thinks we can win it if we play to our best potential.
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Bugger
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Shocking from Collins.
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Fuck me....
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What was Collins doing?
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Fuck off back to West Ham Collins.
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Horrific defending.
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Was just about to say, that Spurs are technically on a whole different level to us. We're aspiring to play this sort of football, but whats the point without the players to do it!?
This might be a rout.
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Not really Collins' fault, he just couldn't stop and adjust in time.
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Our captains armband is a poisoned chalice! Petrov injured, Reo-Coker injured, Dunne loss of form, Young injured, Collins losing form...FFS
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Shocking defending, we need to get stuck in.
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Time to get that back boys.
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cuellar and collins muffed that to be honest
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Chronic defending again. Just why was Warnock so far away from the right winger? And what on earth was Collins playing at? An awful, awful, amateurish goal to concede, and I am starting to get a little sick of them, to be honest.
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We've done OK but not taken our chances, as usual. Starting with Delph doesn't look the most inspired od decisions, he's hardly touched the ball.
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Who is to blame for this? Fucking MoN knew when to fuck off....
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defore off ;-)
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Defoe straight red
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How the fuck could Defoe reach?
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A least Defoe won't score
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Off you go you dirty little shit.
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You cant lead with the elbow or you are off...
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Shocking decision to be honest. Didn't seem anything in that. That's harsh, but...fuck it, I'll take that as an xmas gift. Lets make the most of it.
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never a red but will take it
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An hour to get something against a team with 10 men. Come on.
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Very slightly? Describing the skill level of the announcers perhaps?
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Shut up Gray, you do not need to jump for a header with your elbows sticking out, it injures opponents, Defoe deserved to go.
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I wonder how houlier will change this now with the cnuts on 10 men
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So that's an hour against 10 men, and the player off is one of the league's most potent goal threats.
So that'll be a 2-0 Spurs win then...
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Those are some large snowflakes coming down!
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Shut up Gray, you do not need to jump for a header with your elbows sticking out, it injures opponents, Defoe deserved to go.
Exactly right, I'd have no complaints if that was one of our players sent off.
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So that's an hour against 10 men, and the player off is one of the league's most potent goal threats.
So that'll be a 2-0 Spurs win then...
Bale on the break?
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Shut up Gray, you do not need to jump for a header with your elbows sticking out, it injures opponents, Defoe deserved to go.
Exactly right, I'd have no complaints if that was one of our players sent off.
Bloody hell, Risso agrees with me!
I might retire now.
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Well theres a lifeline with time on our side. We're still desperate for a striker though
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I really liked him on the Addams Family, but he's annoying in net.
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Delph's got an eye for a pass.
Keep it up lad.
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Shut up Gray, you do not need to jump for a header with your elbows sticking out, it injures opponents, Defoe deserved to go.
Exactly right, I'd have no complaints if that was one of our players sent off.
Will you please please stop mentioning that obnoxious twat.... I read his name and a red mist comes down causing me to miss a bit of the game...
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Shut up Gray, you do not need to jump for a header with your elbows sticking out, it injures opponents, Defoe deserved to go.
Other than politics I can't think of many people on here who I agree with so often as you Dave.
Exactly right, I'd have no complaints if that was one of our players sent off.
Bloody hell, Risso agrees with me!
I might retire now.
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cuellers got the Dunne curse
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Quote fail
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must defend this
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Not sure about that red card. Modric and Van der Vaart have been mesmeric so far. Lichaj has started well on Bale. We are actually playing decent enough but Spurs look a different class at times going forward
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Hogg booked, take him off he's not having a good game.
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Hogg booked.
Can see this being ten a side.
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Hogg needs to be careful. The ref may try to level this up!
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Villa going to go down to 10 quickly I think.
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through uss like a knife thru butter
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fucking hell they just walked through
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What the fuck is Delph doing? Twat nearly cost us a goal.
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They are cutting through us and especially in midfield.
We are also very poor in front of goal.
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CM is getting twatted. There's not enough experience or quality there. Delph is rusty, Hogg has one hand tied now. I'd get NRC and Petrov on to be honest.
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Quote fail
Thanks anyway!
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petrov/nrc for hogg HT
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A goal would do wonders for our confidence here
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Hogg is the weak link tonight. Bring on NRC for him. Why did he start Hogg???
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heskey off
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come on fonz
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Heskey off - The Fonz on.
Come on!
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Fucking hell Heskey! He was doing okay, but same old, same old, he's just made of fucking glass!
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Heskey off Delf on, i think Hogg needs to go. Delph starting to play some nice balls.
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The Spurs fan co-commentating wouldn't give a penalty for that either.
Nor was it a sending off.
Nor did the ball go out of play for the first Spurs "goal".
And neither was it a pen for the foul on Heskey even though it was a foul.
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Hogg is the weak link tonight. Bring on NRC for him. Why did he start Hogg???
Perhaps in a season that is already heading for mid table obscurity he decided to try to look to the future?
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And no midfielder on.
I'd have put on NRC. Hogg and Delph's problem is not themselves but the fact they are outnumbered. I'd venture as far to say that Hogg has been pretty good and has moved the ball well.
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There's one thing that this game is showing us and it's exactly the positions we need to strengthen in the next few weeks.
1 x central defender
1x reliable striker
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1x midfield playmaker
please.
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brilliant play. awful shot......
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More like it. A bit of spark now! Come on Fonz!
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They are cutting through us and especially in midfield.
We are also very poor in front of goal.
Of course they are. We all knew that with that midfield they'd batter us but yet Houllier ddin't think so. He is a terrible tactician with zero motivation, but hey, let's give him more time. Hmmm.
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We co
There's one thing that this game is showing us and it's exactly the positions we need to strengthen in the next few weeks.
1 x central defender
1x reliable striker
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1x midfield playmaker
please.
I would double up on all those positions, as well as getting rid of the dead wood
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Perhaps in a season that is already heading for mid table obscurity he decided to try to look to the future?
Which is great except that at the moment we aren't in a position to guarantee mid-table obscurity.
Points first and then the future!
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They are cutting through us and especially in midfield.
We are also very poor in front of goal.
Of course they are. We all knew that with that midfield they'd batter us but yet Houllier ddin't think so. He is a terrible tactician with zero motivation, but hey, let's give him more time. Hmmm.
Would you sack him?
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Perhaps in a season that is already heading for mid table obscurity he decided to try to look to the future?
Which is great except that at the moment we aren't in a position to guarantee mid-table obscurity.
Points first and then the future!
Good point well made.
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Hogg is the weak link tonight. Bring on NRC for him. Why did he start Hogg???
Perhaps in a season that is already heading for mid table obscurity he decided to try to look to the future?
Delf is the future too, maybe an experienced head in there to help us get much needed points on the board would be better? I just don't rate Hogg from what I've seen.
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Shut up Gray, you do not need to jump for a header with your elbows sticking out, it injures opponents, Defoe deserved to go.
http://www.balls.ie/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/andy-gray-finger-sky-sports-570x391.png
Other than politics I can't think of many people on here who I agree with so often as you Dave.
Exactly right, I'd have no complaints if that was one of our players sent off.
Bloody hell, Risso agrees with me!
I might retire now.
Shut up Gray, you do not need to jump for a header with your elbows sticking out, it injures opponents, Defoe deserved to go.
Exactly right, I'd have no complaints if that was one of our players sent off.
Will you please please stop mentioning that obnoxious twat.... I read his name and a red mist comes down causing me to miss a bit of the game...
(http://www.balls.ie/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/andy-gray-finger-sky-sports-570x391.png)
Gray gives himself the double finger, even he can't stomach him
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I just wonder if MoN had stayed what sort of shape we would be in now
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They are passing it around us.... we lack something in the middle, NRC!
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Bales been quiet. Thank god! Lichaj is doing well. To be honest, I think Luke Young would be getting murdered today.
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Warnock in being stupid shocker. Lucky escape.
Lichaj has been excellent.
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RUSSON..... Please stop that
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This is embarrassing, FFS!!! get the fecking ball villa.
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Sadly, this is bloody good from Spurs.
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We are playing like a team with 9 men....
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They are cutting through us and especially in midfield.
We are also very poor in front of goal.
Of course they are. We all knew that with that midfield they'd batter us but yet Houllier ddin't think so. He is a terrible tactician with zero motivation, but hey, let's give him more time. Hmmm.
Would you sack him?
100% yes. He is a dour, miserable, Liverpool supporting idiot with unblievabley piss poor tactics. We are being battered by 10 men at home and he still thinks that midfield is good enough. Can't stand him.
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We all knew that with that midfield they'd batter us but yet Houllier ddin't think so. He is a terrible tactician with zero motivation, but hey, let's give him more time. Hmmm.
Guess who Santa forgot to deliver any presents to?
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They are cutting through us and especially in midfield.
We are also very poor in front of goal.
Of course they are. We all knew that with that midfield they'd batter us but yet Houllier ddin't think so. He is a terrible tactician with zero motivation, but hey, let's give him more time. Hmmm.
Would you sack him?
100% yes. He is a dour, miserable, Liverpool supporting idiot with unblievabley piss poor tactics. We are being battered by 10 men at home and he atill thinks that midfield is good enough. Can't stand him.
So, in practical terms, Monday morning you call him into your office and you sack him.
Then what do you do?
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Van der Vart is a ******. but the co-commentator is blaming Lichaj for "tugging" at him.
Silly me.
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We are playing like a team with 9 men....
Need an experienced head in there...a midfield four of Downing, Hogg, Delph and Albrighton is too inexperienced and lightweight. We're still in this game and should be looking for a point at least against ten man Spurs.
Come on villa.
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That last few minutes was painful, ten man spurs passing us to death. Hogg has to come off, he simply is not good enough for this level, he's a good trier but that is it. I think if we put Reo next to Delph and release Delph to be more attacking we'd be much better off.
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Are Tottenham that good or are we that bad? Regardless of your views on how much they have spent we look like a team assembled for far, far less money than them which is not necessarily the truth.
I'm not enjoying this game. :(
We need to beef up our midfield. NRC or Stan should have come on rather than The Fonz. Hogg and Delph are suffering from the selection rather than their own deficiencies.
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Put Reo-Coker on for Hogg and I think we've a chance in the second half.
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I think we have been poor really. Eric done a good job on Monkey but its just not happening. Hoggs done ok but can see him getting a red, I would get NRC on for a bit of energy in midfield..Gabby does his one on one miss again. Albrighton, not really happening for the lad . We are missing something , as we all know, about 5 players... we just seem so bloody SOFT......
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So far it's been a plain old outclassing, without Spurs actually having to shift out of 2nd gear, which is worrying.
The decision to put Hogg and Delph as a midfield 2 has out done anything O Neill ever dreamt up during his tenure! Fucking hell! Houllier is a bit of joke to be honest.
Lichaj has been a positive. I like the look of him and I think he's got the makings of an excellent fullback. With more experience he could be very good indeed for a few years.
Collins has been poor, and Warnock looks shaky.
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If Delph was any rustier he'd need the fucking oil can treatment on his joints at half time, and then fuck off down the yellow brick road to find a heart when the final whistle blows! Crazy decision.
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That last few minutes was painful, ten man spurs passing us to death. Hogg has to come off, he simply is not good enough for this level, he's a good trier but that is it. I think if we put Reo next to Delph and release Delph to be more attacking we'd be much better off.
That gets my vote.
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So, in practical terms, Monday morning you call him into your office and you sack him.
Then what do you do?
Ah but you see, Paulie, practicalities like that mean nothing in Sack-Him-Land. Sacking him means that we'll automatically start playing like Barcelona.
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Put Reo-Coker on for Hogg and I think we've a chance in the second half.
Not for me. We'd have the same problem with an outnumbered midfield possibly with a similarly limited player.
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Hogg is one foul from a sending off- I'd swap reo -coker for hogg at half time , if we get a goal we could go on and win but we need to keep the ball better.
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We are playing like a team with 9 men....
I think its a good call to take Hogg off and put NRC on, I just hope NRC dont get sent off. My spider sense is tingling on that one.
Need an experienced head in there...a midfield four of Downing, Hogg, Delph and Albrighton is too inexperienced and lightweight. We're still in this game and should be looking for a point at least against ten man Spurs.
Come on villa.
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If Delph was any rustier he'd need the fucking oil can treatment on his joints at half time, and then fuck off down the yellow brick road to find a heart when the final whistle blows! Crazy decision.
But he has still done what others in our team seem incapable of doing, and that's look for a pass through the centre to try and open them up. We need that kind of thinking.
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That last few minutes was painful, ten man spurs passing us to death. Hogg has to come off, he simply is not good enough for this level, he's a good trier but that is it. I think if we put Reo next to Delph and release Delph to be more attacking we'd be much better off.
That gets my vote.
Ditto.
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They are cutting through us and especially in midfield.
We are also very poor in front of goal.
Of course they are. We all knew that with that midfield they'd batter us but yet Houllier ddin't think so. He is a terrible tactician with zero motivation, but hey, let's give him more time. Hmmm.
Would you sack him?
100% yes. He is a dour, miserable, Liverpool supporting idiot with unblievabley piss poor tactics. We are being battered by 10 men at home and he atill thinks that midfield is good enough. Can't stand him.
So, in practical terms, Monday morning you call him into your office and you sack him.
Then what do you do?
Well I think he was lucky to get the job in the first place and so there must have been very few options at the time but now there are a few more. Is Jol still available? I just cannot abide Houllier and I have tried but when you look at his record since he joined it looks pretty dismal and I can't see it improving much.
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So, in practical terms, Monday morning you call him into your office and you sack him.
Then what do you do?
Ah but you see, Paulie, practicalities like that mean nothing in Sack-Him-Land. Sacking him means that we'll automatically start playing like Barcelona.
Really, according to who? Did you just make that up?
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Hogg needs to come off.
This ref is looking to even things up.
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maybe we will come out second half like we did against Manure.... whos on the bench, got in late... NRC,Petrov,Pires ??
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They are cutting through us and especially in midfield.
We are also very poor in front of goal.
Of course they are. We all knew that with that midfield they'd batter us but yet Houllier ddin't think so. He is a terrible tactician with zero motivation, but hey, let's give him more time. Hmmm.
Would you sack him?
100% yes. He is a dour, miserable, Liverpool supporting idiot with unblievabley piss poor tactics. We are being battered by 10 men at home and he atill thinks that midfield is good enough. Can't stand him.
So, in practical terms, Monday morning you call him into your office and you sack him.
Then what do you do?
Well I think he was lucky to get the job in the first place and so there must have been very few options at the time but now there are a few more. Is Jol still available? I just cannot abide Houllier and I have tried but when you look at his record since he joined it looks pretty dismal and I can't see it improving much.
What effect do you think changing manager now would have, though?
Look at the turmoil when O'Neill fucked off. We'd have the same again. Meanwhile, a rudderless ship, we sink down the league.
I don't like some of his decisions either, and I particularly don't like Spurs carrying on their tradition of outplaying us on our patch - which they've done for the last few years - but changing manager twice in four months is a recipe for relegation.
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maybe we will come out second half like we did against Manure.... whos on the bench, got in late... NRC,Petrov,Pires ??
Subs: Guzan, Pires, Delfouneso, Petrov, Reo-Coker, Clark, Bannan.
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If Hogg stays on he will get sent off, I'm almost certain.
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Collins has been poor, and Warnock looks shaky.
tried to get a bet on that before kick-off but no bookies would take it on at any price
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Really, according to who? Did you just make that up?
Yes, I just made it up, and makes as much sense as changing manager twice in a season.
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All I'll say about Houllier at this point is he has tried to change things too quickly, particularly our style of play. Our lads are not comfortable on the ball. They are used to playing at a high tempo on the break and that's their strength. gradually change that but not overnight.
When I see Collins ad Cueller knock it around at the back I am nervous as hell because it looks like they have a hot potato and could drop it to an opposition player or play a bad backpass at any moment.
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If Hogg stays on he will get sent off, I'm almost certain.
Yep
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The last five minutes were pretty embarrassing but still in the game. I'd bring in Petrov for Hogg as you would hope with an extra man we will have more possession. Gabby hasn't tried since Heskey went off. Arm waving and pointing again. Needs to cut that out from his game. I'd like to see the Fonz play closer to goal and Gabby run the channels.
Hoping Spurs showboating comes back to bite them in the arse. Presume Lennon will make way for Crouch or Pavluchenko at the interval.
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They are cutting through us and especially in midfield.
We are also very poor in front of goal.
Of course they are. We all knew that with that midfield they'd batter us but yet Houllier ddin't think so. He is a terrible tactician with zero motivation, but hey, let's give him more time. Hmmm.
Would you sack him?
100% yes. He is a dour, miserable, Liverpool supporting idiot with unblievabley piss poor tactics. We are being battered by 10 men at home and he atill thinks that midfield is good enough. Can't stand him.
So, in practical terms, Monday morning you call him into your office and you sack him.
Then what do you do?
Well I think he was lucky to get the job in the first place and so there must have been very few options at the time but now there are a few more. Is Jol still available? I just cannot abide Houllier and I have tried but when you look at his record since he joined it looks pretty dismal and I can't see it improving much.
What effect do you think changing manager now would have, though?
Look at the turmoil when O'Neill fucked off. We'd have the same again. Meanwhile, a rudderless ship, we sink down the league.
I don't like some of his decisions either, and I particularly don't like Spurs carrying on their tradition of outplaying us on our patch - which they've done for the last few years - but changing manager twice in four months is a recipe for relegation.
I think Gerard Houllier is a recipe for relegation at this rate. And now we are going to give him money. What if he makes such piss poor decisions in the transfer window (as he has made bad decisions all season) and then continues to do so when picking them in certain positions. How can he explain Hogg/Delph in midfield today? How?
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The ref will look to even the numbers this half, Downing has been quiet, Hogg needs to be replaced with NRC, Petrov should also come on our midfield is outnumbered. Houllier hasn't been able to but one player yet some want him sacked, unbelieveable.
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petrov for hogg
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Petrov for Hogg!
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Hogg off for Stan, thank christ.
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Petrov! Well its not NRC but its an improvement!!
Come on villa!!! Attacking the Holte End this half, get behind the team!
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'mon Stanley.
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Petrov on Hogg off. Positive change.
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I've missed Stan. Despite slagging him off on a regular basis since Jan. But in his absence, the heart has grown fonder. Much as he's not as good as he was, until his replaced, he's got to play when he's fit.
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I think Gerard Houllier is a recipe for relegation at this rate. And now we are going to give him money. What if he makes such piss poor decisions in the transfer window as he has made bad decisions all season and then continues to do so when picking them in certain positions. How can he explain Hogg/Delph in midfield today? How?
So you'd have the chairman sack him for playing Hogg and Delph in midfield?
I don't necessarily disagree with some of your comments about him, but we've a manager who has never had the option to buy his own players, and who is experiencing a rocky start.
We have to at least back him to do something in January.
We desperately, desperately need to start picking up points, and a lot more than we have done of late, though, you're right there.
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I've missed Stan. Despite slagging him off on a regular basis since Jan. But in his absence, the heart has grown fonder. Much as he's not as good as he was, until his replaced, he's got to play when he's fit.
same here
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We've now got two players in midfield who have only just came back into training. It won't help the problem as they are still outnumbered in midfield.
And I've always stuck up for Stan. He's been a big miss.
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Petrov! Well its not NRC but its an improvement!!
It's a far superior player to NRC. So yes, it is an improvement.
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Fonz is looking decent.
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Trouble is, without Heskey nobody is holding the ball up when we attack, so it's all 'hoy it into the box and hope for the best'.
Still think we'll get a point.
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Delph starting to play well.
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Trouble is, without Heskey nobody is holding the ball up when we attack, so it's all 'hoy it into the box and hope for the best'.
Still think we'll get a point.
Hope you're right.
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Delph's looking like just what we've been missing.
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I was gonna have a few half time Hobnobs but am still too stuffed from dinner
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Bastard Van Der Vaart us going to nick one on the break isn't he?
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Same old shit from us.
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I was gonna have a few half time Hobnobs but am still too stuffed from dinner
I had five. This is a five hobnob game.
Not any old hobnobs I must add. Dark chocolate ones.
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Bastard Van Der Vaart us going to nick one on the break isn't he?
Wouldn't we just love to have a player like that? :(
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I was gonna have a few half time Hobnobs but am still too stuffed from dinner
I could do with a few beers too but am still at work until 23:00...
I had five. This is a five hobnob game.
Not any old hobnobs I must add. Dark chocolate ones.
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we need more from downing
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I was gonna have a few half time Hobnobs but am still too stuffed from dinner
I could do with a few beers too but am still at work until 23:00...
I had five. This is a five hobnob game.
Not any old hobnobs I must add. Dark chocolate ones.
I could do with beer too but am working till 23:00
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We've had chances....we are worth a point at least. Need to make them count.
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Who do we bring on now? I'd be a little tempted to bring Pires on for Gabby. Gab aint done much. Perhaps a bit of craft in midfield could help us. And you'd hope Pires would get the space to do something in this game, and the desire against Spurs.
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bloody hell, a goal would ease the tension a bit
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Bastard Van Der Vaart us going to nick one on the break isn't he?
he was Offered to spurs because Madrid wanted rid. We'd of got him if we had tried before.
Wouldn't we just love to have a player like that? :(
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Anyone else starting to think we could play all night.......
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Fab has got in the game a lot more this half. He's getting sharper. And looks good.
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Fonz has been sharp. He should play every game right now to be honest.
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thats poor
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Delph needs to be first choice centre mid now in....Looks like Pires coming on.
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Pires on for who? Delph I guess?
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this ref is shit
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Fonz has been sharp. He should play every game right now to be honest.
Isn't he supposed to be a striker?
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Ref is being a clown.
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Anyone else starting to think we could play all night.......
we dOnt look like scoring at all. We're more likely to play vdv through on friedle
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fucking bastards
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We are shit!
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Thank you and good night!
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feck it
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murdered. terrible.
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tahts all i fookin need..wanking media cnuts wanking over their players
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Bollocks.
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Anyone else starting to think we could play all night.......
we dOnt look like scoring at all. We're more likely to play vdv through on friedle
What are the lottery numbers going to be?
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Why did I bother watching this.
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FUCK.
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That was class. Totally different class. That's how you attack. Piss poor defending, but they outstripped, outthought, and out finished us.
VDV is class. We're shit. Roll on Jan...not that I expect much.
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Houllier buck your ideas up quick. Kids against Spurs? What were you thinking.
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Very poor from Brad
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Can't argue with that. That was a superb counter attack. Bastards!
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Bastard Van Der Vaart us going to nick one on the break isn't he?
I hate to say I told you so.. even if I misspelt is.
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Get Houllier Out Now.
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Dear oh dear.
A bit embarassing to have 10 men take the piss on our own pitch.
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Warnock nearly set up a third.
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Oh well at least Collins will be on the piss tonight
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This could get even worse. Tough relegation battle ahead with the Hammers and Wigan winning today. We are deep in doo doo but sure let's play the kids anyway :(
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Sucker punch.
Remember two years ago when we went 2-0 down at home to Arsenal and came back to draw? Won't happen tonight.
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Thats how to attack and finish. All this pretty passing around the edge of the box isn't going to win points.
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fucking bastard, all we are going to hear is Super Spurs blah blah fucking blah
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Come back Richard Dunne all is forgiven ... Ha
Albrighton has been poor today. Assou Ekotto has been too strong for him
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Spurs are far ahead of us now and have outclassed us yet again- very impressed by the fonz today he has done more than gabby and albrighton put together!
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please buy a fookin striker quick
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Meh.
Back to FM11, I'm doing well in that.
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and a creative midfielder
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and a defender
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We really do have some drek in our squad, drek that when in O Neill's good books, out performed. They are not now sadly.
We desperately need some quality to go alongside our promising youngsters like Albrighton, Fonz, Delph.
This is embarrassing. Much down to the fact that O Neill could get so much more out of his first 11.
Why did we hire Houllier? He's so past it, it aint true!
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and a left back
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We need to
1. Get rid of the shit
2. Buy quality
3. Decide if GH is the right man to do that
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We just have no class whatsoever in the final third, absolutely nothing.
Gabby seems to be doing an impression of a player who thinks he's made it.
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Get Bobby on and let him take the FK.
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Keep this up and we are going down with the wolfies.
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VDV has got to be transfer of the season to be honest.
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Strange decision this.
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Come on Robert roll back the years.
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GH the right man?
We are two down. That equals game over in his view.
Rem the games when we used to come back from 2, 3 down...not under this guy.
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And a manager.
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Why are we bringing this has been on?
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Houllier hasn't really got a clue has he? If I didn't know, I'd have said we were down to 10 men.
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We need to
1. Get rid of the shit
2. Buy quality
3. Decide if GH is the right man to do that
I agree 100%. I don't think we will go down so we have to give him the season to see if things eventually look up by the end of the season.
Pires on. WTF?
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We are an actual embarrassment !
Outplayed and outclassed, no fight, basic mistakes at the back and toothless upfront.
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We are deep in relegation trouble as well. Another pitiful capitulation.
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GH has no appreciation for this club. At all. Where is the fight?
At least with MON we fought tooth and nail for everything like in his first season at the Emirates. Now we think everyone is better than us.
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GH has no appreciation for this club. At all. Where is the fight?
At least with MON we fought tooth and nail for everything like in his first season at the Emirates. Now we think everyone is better than us.
Most teams ARE better than us.
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Joke substitution. Bring Bannan on if needs be. Thought Delph did well.
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Delph did well, apart from that this is pretty fucking dire.
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We need to
1. Get rid of the shit
2. Buy quality
3. Decide if GH is the right man to do that
I agree 100%. I don't think we will go down so we have to give him the season to see if things eventually look up by the end of the season.
Pires on. WTF?
If GH is not the man for the job then we need to get the man who is and give him the money to spend.
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Away to Man City and Chelsea next. :-[
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Beginning to think that, and dread the thought, that Martin O Neill got the very best out of a very limited player in Gabby. He's done very little until that shot. This season when he's played, he's looked a shadow of the player last season. I know he's been injured, but it's scary how rusty he's looked, and surely by now he should be getting back to fitness by now.
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At least with MON we fought tooth and nail for everything like in his first season at the Emirates. Now we think everyone is better than us.
Not every game. We had many toothless performances under him. I think Houllier is a victim of circumstance in some respects, but he doesn't always do himself any favours. Depressing viewing.
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Just got online and haven't seen why Bannan was left out today... can anyone enlighten me?
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At least with MON we fought tooth and nail for everything like in his first season at the Emirates. Now we think everyone is better than us.
Like when we were beaten 5-0 at Liverpool? Or 7-1 at Chelsea? Or 3-1 at Fulham? Or 4-0 at Man Utd?
There were plenty of dreadful performances under O'Neill.
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Away to Man City and Chelsea next. :-[
I posted earlier that we are headed for mid table, I now think we are in a relegation battle
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This is, and has been, fucking wank.
Nighty night.
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I just hope we don't get any post match press conference clangers from him today.
They don't help.
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At least with MON we fought tooth and nail for everything like in his first season at the Emirates. Now we think everyone is better than us.
Not every game. We had many toothless performances under him. I think Houllier is a victim of circumstance in some respects, but he doesn't always do himself any favours. Depressing viewing.
Too many disrespectful comments when he arrived. Hardly the way to start. I don't sense any fire and it shows in our play.
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yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ;-D
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Get in!
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Get in
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Quality Marc.
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Nice work.
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I am happy to eat my words! Get in, come on!
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This is, and has been, fucking wank.
Nighty night.
Knew that'd spur us on.
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Well played Mark. He's been at it all evening and work his bollocks off. Well played that boy!
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Come on villa
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could we get a point when we have gone behind at least once this season ?
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Albrighton - great goal
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To be fair Pires is actually doing ok here.
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Just long enough for the post-match thread to be dominated with comments about what might have been...
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To be fair Pires is actually doing ok here.
More than. He has been excellent on the ball.
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Get in...come on Villa
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get it in boys they will panic like we do
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What a waste.
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A point from this would work wonders for us
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When will Petrov learn he cant shoot?
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Wish the referee would make his damn mind up
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When will Petrov learn he cant shoot?
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Shit, this could fuck us right up
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Phew
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Jermaine Penis coming on
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When will Petrov learn he cant shoot?
The exception that proves the rule....
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teams have been getting late goals against us all season. One for us now?
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teams have been getting late goals against us all season. One for us now?
I wish
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VDV is a wanker
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you tell him Robert
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VDV is a wanker
Why?
He's just a very, very good player.
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Redtwat getting involved again
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VDV is a wanker
Really? It's not that hard to score against sitting ducks.
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pathetic. No composure.
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sums us up....bloody miss kick
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Lichaj's looked really good today.
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Could be some boos at the end of this
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VDV is a wanker
Why?
He's just a very, very good player.
Diving, petulant and hands always up. It's the same thing most of us complain about with Ashley Young.
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VDV is a wanker
Why?
He's just a very, very good player.
I was watching the cnut from the bench
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(http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost/data/500/toothless.jpg)
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This just isn't our season is it.
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Like many of you, no doubt, I am watching this humiliating pile of cack with a house full of family and friends. We ought to be able to claim compensation for emotional trauma from that useless *+=# Houllier.
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look at Houllier, no passion there at all/
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Come on Ged, do the right thing. Fuck off.
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whys it a famous win... its like winning at a club like wolves at the moment
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Like many of you, no doubt, I am watching this humiliating pile of cack with a house full of family and friends. We ought to be able to claim compensation for emotional trauma from that useless *+=# Houllier.
Fancy over-reacting much?
We frustratingly lost a tight game due to them having one of the best players in the league in the right place twice.
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fuck it
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The end of this season can't come soon enough.
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we are fucked.
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Bah. Well, thanks everyone for the thread.
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Like many of you, no doubt, I am watching this humiliating pile of cack with a house full of family and friends. We ought to be able to claim compensation for emotional trauma from that useless *+=# Houllier.
Fancy over-reacting much?
We frustratingly lost a tight game due to them having one of the best players in the league in the right place twice.
I'd agree, but we also did nowhere near as much as we should have done against ten men.
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Poor team selection. Too many crap senior players who don't want to give 100% for this manager, having overperformed for O Neill. The youngens can't hold it together alone.
Fuck me sideways!
Houllier out!
Get in a proper man manager, fuck, get in Big Sam. I don't care about ugly football, I want wins! Survival!
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Like many of you, no doubt, I am watching this humiliating pile of cack with a house full of family and friends. We ought to be able to claim compensation for emotional trauma from that useless *+=# Houllier.
Fancy over-reacting much?
We frustratingly lost a tight game due to them having one of the best players in the league in the right place twice.
we're four points off the drop zone with Chelsea and Man city away and we get outplayed by ten men on our own pitch. I think fans should be allowed be annoyed tonight.
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Houllier out!
Get in a proper man manager, fuck, get in Big Sam. I don't care about ugly football, I want wins! Survival!
Be careful what you wish for.
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Like many of you, no doubt, I am watching this humiliating pile of cack with a house full of family and friends. We ought to be able to claim compensation for emotional trauma from that useless *+=# Houllier.
Dave, you command respect. But not for that blind faith.
Fancy over-reacting much?
We frustratingly lost a tight game due to them having one of the best players in the league in the right place twice.
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The end of this season can't come soon enough.
That's exactly what I thought 5 days BEFORE the start of the season.