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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: diand on August 24, 2010, 10:55:15 PM
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Anyone read this post by GingerCollins29 on VillaTalk?
"Mr. Lerner prefers to be discreet with these things, which is why there has not been a sniff.
Unfortunately if I mention a name, then I will be liable. However the new manager has managed at International Level before, and one of his targets has played under him. I maintain still that the manager will be revealed within the media on Thursday, with an official press conference on Friday. There are 3 main transfer targets, a defender, a midfielder (this is the player that has worked under the new manager), and a striker. Deals for the midfielder and the striker will be completed prior to the Everton game, whereas there has been a delay on the defender deal due to wages. Unfortunately I cannot confirm when this player will join."
http://www.villatalk.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=63816&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75
Interesting or bullshit?
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Probably bullshit. If it is true I'm thinking Eriksson as Bradley said today he'd had no contact with Lerner.
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Raymond Domenech :(
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Rikki Herbert. 100% true. FACT.
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According to that, the players will be arriving in almost exactly the same time as the manager -give or take a day.
I'm not saying it can't happen, but I don't recall too many instances of a new manager/ new player (s) combo rocking up in tandem at a club.
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Rikki Herbert. 100% true. FACT.
Evidence ????
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Paul Le Guen come on down!
*Cuellar did once play for him in midfield at Rangers. Possibly.
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Unless its Bradley and he's bringing his son with him ( he's a midfielder aint he)........and Donovan the striker?......
I got a bad feeling....
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Alex Ferguson has managed at international level.
The midfielder who has played under him before is Mike Phelan. Watch out Barca!
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According to that, the players will be arriving in almost exactly the same time as the manager -give or take a day.
I'm not saying it can't happen, but I don't recall too many instances of a new manager/ new player (s) combo rocking up in tandem at a club.
Wasn't that what Sven did when he joined Citeh? I seem to remember he signed a few players in quick succession.
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It's hard to believe that there would be no leaks. Unfortunately, I don't put too much stock in unsubstantiated anonymous conjecture. What about the guy that just left A.C. Milan because he couldn't stand that blowhard Berscolini?
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Could this amount of dealing be underway without the media leaking something? That's what makes me suspicious about the original thread. Could be good news though, if it is a decent name. :-\
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He's not been appointed yet and we're already discussing player wages? Is this a Robobubble?
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Klinsmann?
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It's hard to believe that there would be no leaks. Unfortunately, I don't put too much stock in unsubstantiated anonymous conjecture. What about the guy that just left A.C. Milan because he couldn't stand that blowhard Berscolini?
Leonardo? He's been a pundit on the Beeb so has good inglese but I don't think he's been in this management lark long enough for us to take the proverbial punt on him.
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Never thought i would say this but right now Sven has become appealing to me. He would already have a plan and his contacts and appeal are impeccable .............
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Bullshitting, attention-seeking knob.
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If there's any truth in it - doesn't Slaven Bilic tick the boxes ?
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Carlos Queiroz is having a major fall out with the Portuguese FA. Looks like he'll either walk or get fired.
I wonder if the forward is Ronaldo.
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I was sitting next to Rikki Herbert on a plane in Sydney last month, nice guy but seemed very full of himself. I'd be a little underwhelmed if it is him.
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Steve Staunton - Keane played under him for ROI........Hohoho.
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I'm going to stick my neck out here and say... what a load of old bollocks.
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According to that, the players will be arriving in almost exactly the same time as the manager -give or take a day.
I'm not saying it can't happen, but I don't recall too many instances of a new manager/ new player (s) combo rocking up in tandem at a club.
Wasn't that what Sven did when he joined Citeh? I seem to remember he signed a few players in quick succession.
Not within a day or two of pitching up though.
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I'm going to stick my neck out here and say... what a load of old bollocks.
Come on Mazrim play the game we have got nothing left in our post 6-0 lives worth talking about !!!!!!
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Carlos Queiroz is having a major fall out with the Portuguese FA. Looks like he'll either walk or get fired.
I wonder if the forward is Ronaldo.
Queiroz would be a brilliant appopintment imo. He would tick many of the right boxes in terms of what we should be looking for. Plays attractive and effective football, knows English football, has brilliant contacts and can spot up and coming talent. I would be afraid that he is (just) out of our league though, whether he leaves Portugal or not...
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Carlos Queiroz is having a major fall out with the Portuguese FA. Looks like he'll either walk or get fired.
I wonder if the forward is Ronaldo.
Queiroz would be a brilliant appopintment imo. He would tick many of the right boxes in terms of what we should be looking for. Plays attractive and effective football, knows English football, has brilliant contacts and can spot up and coming talent. I would be afraid that he is (just) out of our league though, whether he leaves Portugal or not...
I could be wrong here, but hasn't Queiroz been massively dissappointing at every club he has managed?
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Alright then its Guus Hiddink and with him is coming Pavlyuchenko, Zhirkov and... somebody else.
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Alright then its Guus Hiddink and with him is coming Pavlyuchenko, Zhirkov and... somebody else.
Colin Kazim Richards.
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Carlos Queiroz is having a major fall out with the Portuguese FA. Looks like he'll either walk or get fired.
I wonder if the forward is Ronaldo.
Queiroz would be a brilliant appopintment imo. He would tick many of the right boxes in terms of what we should be looking for. Plays attractive and effective football, knows English football, has brilliant contacts and can spot up and coming talent. I would be afraid that he is (just) out of our league though, whether he leaves Portugal or not...
I think he'd jump at the chance. The other thing that would really appeal to Randy, apart from him being a top modern day coach, is Queiroz is a real gentleman. It's a marriage made in heaven. Unfortunately, Queiroz is a bit of a soft touch, lacking the real leadership skills to be a top manager. Players normally end up walking all over him. Maybe his experience alongside Ferguson has toughened him up but I some how doubt it. He did have the balls to single Ronaldo for being a complete twat during the World Cup, so you never know.
Ferguson must see something in him. He wanted him to be his eventual replacement but I still think his lack of leadership is his weakness. Maybe with Kevin Mac alongside him, it might just work. Whatever. I certainly think he'd love the Villa job and with things getting nasty in Lisbon, he'd be looking to prove the suits wrong.
Humm..
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Alright then its Guus Hiddink and with him is coming Pavlyuchenko, Zhirkov and... somebody else.
Colin Kazim Richards.
"I'm English, without a doubt. I will never ever say I'm not English. English born and bred. I'm Turkish, though" - Kazim Kazim/ Colin Kazim-Richards (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ptAWUoTWVpAJ:www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Rio-Ferdinand-Roy-Keane-and-Arsene-Wenger-in-our-daftest-football-quotes-of-the-year-for-2008-article35165.html+kazim+richards+quote+i'M+tURKISH+THOUGH&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie)
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Rikki Herbert. 100% true. FACT.
Evidence ????
Come on get with the program. You dont need evidence as long as you write 100% true. Fact
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It's going to be the North Korean manager who will be bringing with him Em Tee Sits and that old favourite, Won Fook Aw.
If the President hasn't killed him yet.
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Carlos Queiroz is having a major fall out with the Portuguese FA. Looks like he'll either walk or get fired.
I wonder if the forward is Ronaldo.
Queiroz would be a brilliant appopintment imo. He would tick many of the right boxes in terms of what we should be looking for. Plays attractive and effective football, knows English football, has brilliant contacts and can spot up and coming talent. I would be afraid that he is (just) out of our league though, whether he leaves Portugal or not...
I think he'd jump at the chance. The other thing that would really appeal to Randy, apart from him being a top modern day coach, is Queiroz is a real gentleman. It's a marriage made in heaven. Unfortunately, Queiroz is a bit of a soft touch, lacking the real leadership skills to be a top manager. Players normally end up walking all over him. Maybe his experience alongside Ferguson has toughened him up but I some how doubt it. He did have the balls to single Ronaldo for being a complete twat during the World Cup, so you never know.
Ferguson must see something in him. He wanted him to be his eventual replacement but I still think his lack of leadership is his weakness. Maybe with Kevin Mac alongside him, it might just work. Whatever. I certainly think he'd love the Villa job and with things getting nasty in Lisbon, he'd be looking to prove the suits wrong.
Humm..
You have to wonder if his success at Man U was because there was a big nasty stick behind him and he could concentrate on being the good guy. However, when he's on his own, the good guy thing doesn't work forever if you don't have a nasty streak.
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Carlos Queiroz is having a major fall out with the Portuguese FA. Looks like he'll either walk or get fired.
I wonder if the forward is Ronaldo.
Queiroz would be a brilliant appopintment imo. He would tick many of the right boxes in terms of what we should be looking for. Plays attractive and effective football, knows English football, has brilliant contacts and can spot up and coming talent. I would be afraid that he is (just) out of our league though, whether he leaves Portugal or not...
I think he'd jump at the chance. The other thing that would really appeal to Randy, apart from him being a top modern day coach, is Queiroz is a real gentleman. It's a marriage made in heaven. Unfortunately, Queiroz is a bit of a soft touch, lacking the real leadership skills to be a top manager. Players normally end up walking all over him. Maybe his experience alongside Ferguson has toughened him up but I some how doubt it. He did have the balls to single Ronaldo for being a complete twat during the World Cup, so you never know.
Ferguson must see something in him. He wanted him to be his eventual replacement but I still think his lack of leadership is his weakness. Maybe with Kevin Mac alongside him, it might just work. Whatever. I certainly think he'd love the Villa job and with things getting nasty in Lisbon, he'd be looking to prove the suits wrong.
Humm..
You have to wonder if his success at Man U was because there was a big nasty stick behind him and he could concentrate on being the good guy. However, when he's on his own, the good guy thing doesn't work forever if you don't have a nasty streak.
He's been showing his nasty side recently, that's why he's been suspended by his FA.
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well he'd certainly be an interesting choice. We'd be playing technically better football and we'd be buying technically better players. He'd likely have a solid grounding in South American talent given that so many of them (esp Brazillians) play in Portgual, and a superb knowledge of Europe.
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Carlos Queiroz is having a major fall out with the Portuguese FA. Looks like he'll either walk or get fired.
I wonder if the forward is Ronaldo.
Queiroz would be a brilliant appopintment imo. He would tick many of the right boxes in terms of what we should be looking for. Plays attractive and effective football, knows English football, has brilliant contacts and can spot up and coming talent. I would be afraid that he is (just) out of our league though, whether he leaves Portugal or not...
I think he'd jump at the chance. The other thing that would really appeal to Randy, apart from him being a top modern day coach, is Queiroz is a real gentleman. It's a marriage made in heaven. Unfortunately, Queiroz is a bit of a soft touch, lacking the real leadership skills to be a top manager. Players normally end up walking all over him. Maybe his experience alongside Ferguson has toughened him up but I some how doubt it. He did have the balls to single Ronaldo for being a complete twat during the World Cup, so you never know.
Ferguson must see something in him. He wanted him to be his eventual replacement but I still think his lack of leadership is his weakness. Maybe with Kevin Mac alongside him, it might just work. Whatever. I certainly think he'd love the Villa job and with things getting nasty in Lisbon, he'd be looking to prove the suits wrong.
Humm..
You have to wonder if his success at Man U was because there was a big nasty stick behind him and he could concentrate on being the good guy. However, when he's on his own, the good guy thing doesn't work forever if you don't have a nasty streak.
He's been showing his nasty side recently, that's why he's been suspended by his FA.
His insult to the anti-doping guys was a beaut. I'll leave you to offer the translation.
“porque é que estes gajos não vão a esta hora fazer o controlo para a cona da mãe do Luís Horta?”
Horta is the head of the anti-doping authority.
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who is Rikki Herbert?
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Klinsmann?
Wasn't he rumoured to have been Randy's first chioce before Doug appointed MON?
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who is Rikki Herbert?
HDE's porn alias?
I invented the bukkake, and so on.
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who is Rikki Herbert?
HDE's porn alias?
I invented the bukkake, and so on.
sometimes one can appear thick by nbot understanding what the fk is going on so please enlighten me
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That made me chuckle Kev.
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Guardian saying McDonald has two more games to prove himself, not what i wanted to read. Sven for all his baggage would at least give us experience and a knowledge of good players the world over.
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Mark Hughes signing Simon Davies
Bob Bradley signing Freddie Adu
Klinsmann signing Scheweinsteiger
Van Basten signing Van Der Vaart
Stan Staunton signing Damian Duff
Guus Hiddink signing Pierre Van Hooijdonk
Carlos Quieroz signing Quentin Fortune
SGE signing Beckham
I think I've got my bases covered.
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Lawrie Sanchez signing Keith Gillespie.
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Berti Vogts signing Barry Ferguson
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Ottmar Hitzfeld and Gokhan Inler?
Would there be enough room at Villa for 2 generals though!?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottmar_Hitzfeld
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Sven & Becks.
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Managed at the international level? Mark Hughes?
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Steve Staunton.
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Glenn Hoddle.
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Graham Taylor?
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Give Dr. Jo another go.
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I really hope that this story of a new manager plus signings by Friday is true, however, please don't let it be Sven and Beckham.
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Managed at the international level? Mark Hughes?
Forgotten when the crossbar stopped Wales going to one of the Euros under Hughes leadership? Then he went to Blackburn.
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who is Rikki Herbert?
Try here (http://tinyurl.com/28zht9j)
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who is Rikki Herbert?
HDE's porn alias?
I invented the bukkake, and so on.
That is very very good! Well done.
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terry venables, LOL
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Howard Wilkinson & David Batty.
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Maradonna or Sir GT?
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IF randy has picked his man and is appointing him Friday, then that man will have told Randy which players we need.
But I think it's all horseshit, I'm sick of shite ITK's
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O`Learys coming back, with MON as his assistant. Oh yes and KM is being sacked and Billy McNeill will be reserve team manager, ready to step in as caretaker boss in November when the two Os resign.
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According to that, the players will be arriving in almost exactly the same time as the manager -give or take a day.
I'm not saying it can't happen, but I don't recall too many instances of a new manager/ new player (s) combo rocking up in tandem at a club.
Wasn't the Petrov signing made at the instigation of O'Neill before he was officially announced as boss?
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Please not bob the builder.
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Alex MCleish & Barry Ferguson.
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Alex Ferguson and Cristiano Ronaldo
Or John Toshack and Robbie Savage
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Anyone read this post by GingerCollins29 on VillaTalk?
"Mr. Lerner prefers to be discreet with these things, which is why there has not been a sniff.
Unfortunately if I mention a name, then I will be liable. However the new manager has managed at International Level before, and one of his targets has played under him. I maintain still that the manager will be revealed within the media on Thursday, with an official press conference on Friday. There are 3 main transfer targets, a defender, a midfielder (this is the player that has worked under the new manager), and a striker. Deals for the midfielder and the striker will be completed prior to the Everton game, whereas there has been a delay on the defender deal due to wages. Unfortunately I cannot confirm when this player will join."
http://www.villatalk.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=63816&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75
Interesting or bullshit?
Am I the only one that wonders how you can be liable if you're not at fault/wrong? I think he's just admitting it's a load of shite here!
I also can't see us being after a defender.
Still, as he's given exact timings we'll know soon enough if he's right or not.
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i have a feeling if this is true that it strongly points to jurgen klinsmann and i would be more than happy with that , maybe a german international or 2 to boot , would be nice.
i remember a couple of hours before mon left a poster predicted it was going to happen that day and was derided by the throngs, i hope this story is proved true.
bradley has had no contact with randy and surely after 2 weeks he would have been approached if he was an option.
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Anyone read this post by GingerCollins29 on VillaTalk?
"Mr. Lerner prefers to be discreet with these things, which is why there has not been a sniff.
Unfortunately if I mention a name, then I will be liable. However the new manager has managed at International Level before, and one of his targets has played under him. I maintain still that the manager will be revealed within the media on Thursday, with an official press conference on Friday. There are 3 main transfer targets, a defender, a midfielder (this is the player that has worked under the new manager), and a striker. Deals for the midfielder and the striker will be completed prior to the Everton game, whereas there has been a delay on the defender deal due to wages. Unfortunately I cannot confirm when this player will join."
http://www.villatalk.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=63816&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75
Interesting or bullshit?
Am I the only one that wonders how you can be liable if you're not at fault/wrong? I think he's just admitting it's a load of shite here!
I also can't see us being after a defender.
Still, as he's given exact timings we'll know soon enough if he's right or not.
I think he may be getting mixed up with LIBEL. Even then, I can't see what the problem is - no one has been named in person and it's being taken as rumour/conjeture anyway, not being claimed as truth. Well, not on this site anyway.
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no idea who he is, but he's certainly putting himself out there, knowing how the site bullies like any chance they can grasp. Plus if he's in any way associated with Villa, as some posting on here have found, they do punish quickly even when they think there is a slight.
I'm not holding my breath but I admit to finding the comment intriguing, especially as SSN went so high profile on Bradley, yesterday.
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I think he may be getting mixed up with LIBEL. Even then, I can't see what the problem is - no one has been named in person and it's being taken as rumour/conjeture anyway, not being claimed as truth. Well, not on this site anyway.
You can't be sued for libel if what you're saying is true.
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I'm not holding my breath but I admit to finding the comment intriguing, especially as SSN went so high profile on Bradley, yesterday.
If I were to join in the game, I would say Bradley Sr and Bradley Jr.
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I think he may be getting mixed up with LIBEL. Even then, I can't see what the problem is - no one has been named in person and it's being taken as rumour/conjeture anyway, not being claimed as truth. Well, not on this site anyway.
You can't be sued for libel if what you're saying is true.
Obviously not, we just don't know if it's true yet. I was only saying he may have got his words mixed up in any case, I'm probably wrong.
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Of the 'likely' names the press have linked with us, Bradley, Sven and Klinsman fit the bill. Donovan would be a decent midfielder were it Bradley, with Sven there's a load of candidates and with Jurgen I'd pretty much take any of the Germany midfield.
Still think there's nothing in it though.
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Brian Kerr and Christian Holst
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Sgt Wilko, mark my words.
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i have a feeling if this is true that it strongly points to jurgen klinsmann and i would be more than happy with that , maybe a german international or 2 to boot , would be nice.
Attractive in all sorts of ways. High profile and a world-wide reputation. He likes living in England and would probably be prepared to leave California for England. He speaks much better English than, say, Capello, Grant and Mancini. He obviously has strong connections with the Bundesliga. Would he be able to bring Podolski, who's having a miserable time at Cologne? He was a great success with the German national team. There are suggestions that RL is looking for a young manager, and Klinsmann would qualify on that count, whereas Eriksson wouldn't. But the fact remains that he was very unsuccessful in his one attempt at club management with Bayern Munich.
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How would the existing squad react to a Klinsmann? Would he command their respect?
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I would think that the squad would respect Klinsmann. After all he did the lot as a player and apparently he is a decent coach also.
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Jack Charlton coming back to management!
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Jack Charlton coming back to management!
And bringing God, Townsend and Cascarino with him??
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The fact Bradley admitted on sky no one from
villa has approached him rules him out in my opinion- after 2 weeks randy would have spoken to Bradley if he wanted it.
The fact klinsmann and rAndy are friends and that jurgen hasn't distanced himself from the job suggests to me maybe we have got our man.
Klinsmann would command respect and be able to attract quality players - I feel if it is him that things are looking up for us and exciting times lie ahead.
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Its me, When I managed Villa on championship manager I got offered the England job and won the world cup 100% true and im
bringing Kaka with me
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King Kevin "the messiah" Keegan and in midfield David Batty.
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I have to admit that although Klinsman would be abit of a gamble, I am rather excited by the possibility.
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It's Sven. And Beckham.
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My mind is melting with the tedium.
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I have to admit that although Klinsman would be abit of a gamble, I am rather excited by the possibility.
Any manager is a gamble. Klinsmann less so over others that have been touted.
I think Klinsmann is about as good as we could wish for.
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Sir Graham and David Platt.
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I think he may be getting mixed up with LIBEL. Even then, I can't see what the problem is - no one has been named in person and it's being taken as rumour/conjeture anyway, not being claimed as truth. Well, not on this site anyway.
You can't be sued for libel if what you're saying is true.
You can try and sue anybody for anything if you are so inclined.
Whether you win or not is another thing, but probably more dependent on your bank balance than any notions of truth.
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You can try and sue anybody for anything if you are so inclined.
As MON has shown repeatedly.
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Klinsmann.
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I have to admit that although Klinsman would be abit of a gamble, I am rather excited by the possibility.
I am getting to the point where excitement is all I really crave, wrong though it may be to be that simplistic about all this!
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I'm working with a fella from our odffice in Dussledorf today and he knows his football ( a Karlsrhue fan - is that how you spell it?)
He reckons that Klinsmann is a good short term motivator but not the best long term appointment. Sounds like a German Keegan to me.
But what do I know?
oh yeah, not that this has anything to do with things but it's widely thought in Germany that Jurgen is gay. I know he's married with 2 kids.....
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oh yeah, not that this has anything to do with things but it's widely thought in Germany that Jurgen is gay. I know he's married with 2 kids.....
Gayness is the hot topic in German football. Ballack's agent said gay players are the reason they didn't win the World Cup.
I don't buy it, i think Jurgen is just naturally good with fabrics
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Brian Kerr and Christian Holst
Made me smile. At least I would get some new Villa 'friends' here.
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I have to admit that although Klinsman would be abit of a gamble, I am rather excited by the possibility.
I am getting to the point where excitement is all I really crave, wrong though it may be to be that simplistic about all this!
Well you can hardly say things have been boring at the Villa lately.
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oh yeah, not that this has anything to do with things but it's widely thought in Germany that Jurgen is gay. I know he's married with 2 kids.....
Gayness is the hot topic in German football. Ballack's agent said gay players are the reason they didn't win the World Cup.
I don't buy it, i think Jurgen is just naturally good with fabrics
I always thought Joachim Low was a bit too stylish.
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Bradley and his boy. I would be happy with that.
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Bradley and his boy. I would be happy with that.
Would you Peter? I would be absolutely devastated. No thanks.
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Jürgen certainly has influential friends:
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_85iFErc4pp8/THT3hy-bufI/AAAAAAAACNw/OsNNzsIrDJ4/s400/klinsi5.jpg)
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Jürgen certainly has influential friends:
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_85iFErc4pp8/THT3hy-bufI/AAAAAAAACNw/OsNNzsIrDJ4/s400/klinsi5.jpg)
When was he on the Weakest Link?
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I fully expect there to be no announcement of any kind friday. Business as usual. I don't believe for a second we'll appoint a new gaffer before the month is out.
Please, prove me wrong!!!!
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I heard from a good source a while ago that klinsmann was certainly in the frame - would not suprise me as much as it would not piss me off either.
Impress the players - Just show them the 2 world cup winning medals, titles in Bundersliga, Seria A etc
Or just show them his wad - he must be hugely rich and that obviously impresses footballer today
I think we would have a great deal of positive press for a while and he is a big enough name to impress many a foreign player to our team - certainly a celebrity appointment - i am warming to it
My only concern would be his actual managerial ability - i know that might sound stupid but in every other box he ticks them with ease
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Bradley and his boy. I would be happy with that.
Would you Peter? I would be
absolutely devastated. No thanks.
I would be crushed,no european experience,no transfer signing experience as he's always worked under a general manager in the states.
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allegedly Glenn Hoddle and Gazza have been spotted in the bullring...........heard it here first ;)
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Not worried anymore about bradley- his admission he hasn't heard from villa must surely rule him out as randy would have spoken to him by now if he was being considered.
As the general implied the search is very much underway and I think our wait will be over before the everton game-just hope if it's true and is jurgen that he can line up a couple of signings before Tuesday.
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I heard from a good source a while ago that klinsmann was certainly in the frame - would not suprise me as much as it would not piss me off either.
Go on, name your source. Just for a laff
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I'm getting the feeling that I'm the only one who's not excited at the suggestion that Klinsman will be our next manager.
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I wish I had not read this thread now as I am thinking abotu and like the idea of Klinsmen , and now I am just going to get pissed of when we appoint somebody not as good ! - Blilic would be ok i think as a second choice
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I can't stand Hoddle as a man and he's been out of the game so long, bit like Mon was, but I reckon he'd be a good manager to have in to take the existing squad on.
Dread the thought mind.
Klinsman yes, he's one of the few who would shut the media up about the turncoat, he's very well connected in football circles and would bring in some interesting coaches.
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Klinsman yes, he's one of the few who would shut the media up about the turncoat, he's very well connected in football circles and would bring in some interesting coaches.
I for one don't want a manager because he can shut the media up just by being appointed. I want a manager who is good at his job and has the track record to prove it.
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Steven Taylor been put on the transfer list by newcassle so I reckon it must be Keegan! I would love it....
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I fancy Klinnsman/Bradley.
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I fancy Klinnsman/Bradley.
I bat for the home team myself, but even I can see you have awful taste in men.
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I fancy Klinnsman/Bradley.
best not let your wife know peter!
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I think Jurgen is quite dishy - he used to look nice in that purple Spurs away kit I thought....
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I get the impression that we want an appointment with a bit of pizazz so Klinsmann wouldn't surprise me at all. It is also why I didn't believe a word about the links to Bob Bradley.
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I think it must be the accents. Oh, and Jurgen's cheeky smile.
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I get the impression that we want an appointment with a bit of pizazz so Klinsmann wouldn't surprise me at all. It is also why I didn't believe a word about the links to Bob Bradley.
For someone that avoids the limelight as much as he does, I would be surprised if that's all that high up on Randy's list of attributes for a new manager.
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I heard from a good source a while ago that klinsmann was certainly in the frame - would not suprise me as much as it would not piss me off either.
Go on, name your source. Just for a laff
Sorry i can't - but has been pretty good in the past - but not 100% so we shall see
Lets just say he has a very high position within the club - but nothing to do with the playing side
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Steve McLaren...
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Alf Ramsey and Bobby Moore.
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Steve McLaren...
...'gamesh'
This is word assocaition, isn't it? I'd be incredibly perturbed were he to be a suggestion or prediction for our next manager!
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Steve McLaren...
Would be good if he hadnt just moved to Wolfsburg. His reputation over here has obviously been dented by his time as England manager, but his record at Boro and FC Twente is very good, if not better than others linked to the job.
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Another thing that has been on my mind - Mr Ireland left ManShitty due to feeling unwanted and unloved by his manager so surely he would want to have some idea who his next boss was going to be or at the very least who the club was looking at - he still signed so i assume that if he does know, And i would certainly want to know before i committed myself to a long deal who the boss was to be, he must have been relatively happy with it?
Just a thought
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I heard from a good source a while ago that klinsmann was certainly in the frame - would not suprise me as much as it would not piss me off either.
Go on, name your source. Just for a laff
Sorry i can't - but has been pretty good in the past - but not 100% so we shall see
Lets just say he has a very high position within the club - but nothing to do with the playing side
Is it the electrician who changes the bulbs in the floodlights?
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I think it is a load of hairy bollocks.
If it isn't then Bradley or Klinsmann.
Am I the only person here who wouldn't be upset if we got Bradley? By no means my first choice but a lot of people are being a bit harsh in pre-judging the man on little or no evidence.
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Another thing that has been on my mind - Mr Ireland left ManShitty due to feeling unwanted and unloved by his manager so surely he would want to have some idea who his next boss was going to be or at the very least who the club was looking at - he still signed so i assume that if he does know, And i would certainly want to know before i committed myself to a long deal who the boss was to be, he must have been relatively happy with it?
Just a thought
Hookey, I think he signed because he was part of the Milner deal - no more, no less.
I just think as far as Ireland's concerned he was happy to be movng to Villa and is trusting in Randy that if it isn't Mac, then it will be someone of pedigree.
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Hope Powell the former England international and Double-winning captain with Croydon.
Alternative Shearer and his elbow.
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I think it is a load of hairy bollocks.
If it isn't then Bradley or Klinsmann.
Am I the only person here who wouldn't be upset if we got Bradley? By no means my first choice but a lot of people are being a bit harsh in pre-judging the man on little or no evidence.
No, but you're the only one not to read my posts you ignorant, selfish, tit. He is the only one, right?
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Another thing that has been on my mind - Mr Ireland left ManShitty due to feeling unwanted and unloved by his manager so surely he would want to have some idea who his next boss was going to be or at the very least who the club was looking at - he still signed so i assume that if he does know, And i would certainly want to know before i committed myself to a long deal who the boss was to be, he must have been relatively happy with it?
Just a thought
Hookey, I think he signed because he was part of the Milner deal - no more, no less.
I just think as far as Ireland's concerned he was happy to be movng to Villa and is trusting in Randy that if it isn't Mac, then it will be someone of pedigree.
I was getting my hair cut this lunchtime and while waiting was reading an article about Ireland from a Saturday newspaper. He said he consulted Dunne and Barry before coming and when he met Randy he knew he was someone who would run a football club properly. I don't think he has any advance knowledge of the new manager, just glad to get out of the man City circus and confident we're not another bunch of clueless clowns.
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Am I the only person here who wouldn't be upset if we got Bradley? By no means my first choice but a lot of people are being a bit harsh in pre-judging the man on little or no evidence.
I'm judging him on little or no credentials/experience of European club football, as either player or manager.
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I think it is a load of hairy bollocks.
If it isn't then Bradley or Klinsmann.
Am I the only person here who wouldn't be upset if we got Bradley? By no means my first choice but a lot of people are being a bit harsh in pre-judging the man on little or no evidence.
If this forum can from one week eulogise about the quality of our play and then the following week see relegation as a distinct possibility then I'm sure a bit of prejudging of an managerial candidate isn't really out of place.
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I think it is a load of hairy bollocks.
If it isn't then Bradley or Klinsmann.
Am I the only person here who wouldn't be upset if we got Bradley? By no means my first choice but a lot of people are being a bit harsh in pre-judging the man on little or no evidence.
No, but you're the only one not to read my posts you ignorant, selfish, tit. He is the only one, right?
I'd give him a chance. There's a lot of assumptions that just because he lives in the USA he knows absolutely zerpo about the Premier League. Doesn't have to be that way. And transfers are easy. Choose your player and let the board fart about with monetary negotiations. Easy.
I'd have some concerns.
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Could be Dick Advocaat and Witsel.
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Just show them the 2 world cup winning medals,
Pedant alert. He's only won the world cup once. That's still once more than many of course and I think he deservedly has a reputation as one of the greats of the last 30 years.
However a managerial record which involves doing quite well leading a home nation at a world cup then doing so godawful with the same nation's biggest club team that he gets sacked before the halfway point of the season is not good enough.
Having said which I have no idea who I do want to get it.
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Brain Kerr - Bring in Kilbane in midfiled, played for him at ROI.
If McClaren gets the job he could morph his accent into Brummie style for his press conferences :)
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Just show them the 2 world cup winning medals,
then doing so godawful with the same nation's biggest club team that he gets sacked before the halfway point of the season
Having checked the facts after my post I now see he was actually sacked by Bayern in Apr 09, so well after the halfway point of the season. Serves me right for pointing out others' inaccuracies!
Having said which the fact remains that his one and only club job was brief and ended in failure.
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Am I the only person here who wouldn't be upset if we got Bradley? By no means my first choice but a lot of people are being a bit harsh in pre-judging the man on little or no evidence.
I'm judging him on little or no credentials/experience of European club football, as either player or manager.
But if Mark Hughes had become manager for a lot of people that would have been ok. Yet he got his first managerial job with no experience as coach or manager. He, along with Steve Bruce have signed several excellent players that play in the PL. Just because a manager, or player for that matter has no PL experience isn't an indicator of whether they'll be a success or not. In fact, that's a very MON way looking at things. Something that led to him shopping in the UK for players for the most part. I would also bet his knowledge of North, Central and South American players would be better than most current PL managers today.
It's not going to happen anyway, but I said before that I'd have an open mind if he was appointed.
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For the record Klinsmann was sacked by Bayern 5 games from the end of his first season, with his team in 3rd place just 3 points behind the leaders. So his time there was hardly a catastrophe of course they are the biggest club in Germany but they have a very competitive league and there was every chance that they would have won the title.
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We're all missing the obvious one here, I fear.
Kevin Mac - ex Ireland manager (for two games)
The forward is Keane, midfielder Ireland (or maybe Stephen Reid/ Glen Whelan/ Keith Andrews). The defender? Steve Finnan. Or Villa fan Sean St Hubbins.
Would in theory explain how we could get some of those deals done in that timeframe - working on the assumption that the OP isn't complete bollocks - which is a pretty big assumption.
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We're all missing the obvious one here, I fear.
Kevin Mac - ex Ireland manager (for two games)
The forward is Keane, midfielder Ireland (or maybe Stephen Reid/ Glen Whelan/ Keith Andrews). The defender? Steve Finnan. Or Villa fan Sean St Hubbins.
Excellent point.
Where are Finnan and St Ledger these days?
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I didn’t know that. Why sack him 3 games from the end when he could have won the title?! That’s madness
Madness you say? THIS IS MUNICH!
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Am I the only person here who wouldn't be upset if we got Bradley? By no means my first choice but a lot of people are being a bit harsh in pre-judging the man on little or no evidence.
I'm judging him on little or no credentials/experience of European club football, as either player or manager.
But if Mark Hughes had become manager for a lot of people that would have been ok. Yet he got his first managerial job with no experience as coach or manager. He, along with Steve Bruce have signed several excellent players that play in the PL. Just because a manager, or player for that matter has no PL experience isn't an indicator of whether they'll be a success or not. In fact, that's a very MON way looking at things. Something that led to him shopping in the UK for players for the most part. I would also bet his knowledge of North, Central and South American players would be better than most current PL managers today.
It's not going to happen anyway, but I said before that I'd have an open mind if he was appointed.
That's not what I said:-
I'm judging him on little or no credentials/experience of European club football, as either player or manager.
Both Hughes and Bruce had great playing careers, both domestically and in Europe, which stood them in good stead when becoming managers. Bradley does not have that. What he does have is experience coaching American college teams and then the national side. And it's that lack of experience in the level of the game Villa operate at that makes me question him. Had he been a top player with in Europe then I'd be more positive about him.
So it's not a 'MON-type view', especially as I said Europe aswell, it's a case of my not thinking he has any experience of the game at the level we operate at to suggest he's qualified to get the job.
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Did having good playing careers stand them in good stead for being managers? What's a good playing career got to do with being a good manager. I'd actually argue there are more good managers with average or less than average playing careers than the other way around e.g Mourinho being the best example.
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I was getting my hair cut this lunchtime and while waiting was reading an article about Ireland from a Saturday newspaper. He said he consulted Dunne and Barry before coming and when he met Randy he knew he was someone who would run a football club properly. I don't think he has any advance knowledge of the new manager, just glad to get out of the man City circus and confident we're not another bunch of clueless clowns.
I hope you didn't show the hairdresser the article with a picture of Ireland and asked ''Can you make me look like him?''. You've got lovely flowing locks John. (Do you?)
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Did having good playing careers stand them in good stead for being managers? What's a good playing career got to do with being a good manager. I'd actually argue there are more good managers with average or less than average playing careers than the other way around e.g Mourinho being the best example.
Hugo Meisl, Arrigo Sacchi and indeed Mourinho never even played the game professionally, let alone were great players (Sacchi was barely good enough for being an amateur in his village team). A jockey doesn't have to have been born a horse. I think Klinsmann would be a good manager for us and Bradley wouldn't, but that has nothing to do with their playing careers.
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Just seen kmac on sky saying he will decide Monday whether he wants to be considered- coincedentally the end of the window.
A great coach but not for me a man who has never been a manager- do the club a favour keV and let randy know you want to be a coach still instead of dragging it out till the window ends!
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I think John's point is that Hughes and Bruce had long playing careers and therefore built up plenty of knowledge of the English game, plenty of contacts, and European and (in Hughes's case) international experience. None of that is a guarantee that they would become good managers but, all things considered, surely they must find it extremely useful to have that experience to draw on. That's nothing to do with their qualities as players.
Bradley has none of that, in an English or European context. So, while lacking that experience doesn't automatically mean he'd be a crap manager, it must be a significant drawback for him. .
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Did having good playing careers stand them in good stead for being managers? What's a good playing career got to do with being a good manager. I'd actually argue there are more good managers with average or less than average playing careers than the other way around e.g Mourinho being the best example.
Hugo Meisl, Arrigo Sacchi and indeed Mourinho never even played the game professionally, let alone were great players (Sacchi was barely good enough for being an amateur in his village team). A jockey doesn't have to have been born a horse. I think Klinsmann would be a good manager for us and Bradley wouldn't, but that has nothing to do with their playing careers.
Bradley or not, I want a football manager that is able to tactically break down the opposition given the weapons available to him. Or make appropriate changes if the situation requires it. Too often we were found wanting in that area.
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Just seen kmac on sky saying he will decide Monday whether he wants to be considered- coincedentally the end of the window.
A great coach but not for me a man who has never been a manager- do the club a favour keV and let randy know you want to be a coach still instead of dragging it out till the window ends!
AS much as i like Kev Mc and will support him for the short and long term if need be
Does he now not come across as being a little "arrogant" especially with the "I will let the club know if i want to be considered"
If you dont know by now mate then i can tell you that you aint the bloke for the job - simple
THis is the villa mate - we will keep you waiting not the other way round - pish!!
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I think John's point is that Hughes and Bruce had long playing careers and therefore built up plenty of knowledge of the English game, plenty of contacts, and European and (in Hughes's case) international experience. None of that is a guarantee that they would become good managers but, all things considered, surely they must find it extremely useful to have that experience to draw on. That's nothing to do with their qualities as players.
Bradley has none of that, in an English or European context. So, while lacking that experience doesn't automatically mean he'd be a crap manager, it must be a significant drawback for him. .
But then again hilts, Bruce has picked up some cracking players in Central/South America and brought them to England without having any prior knowledge of that market. If you or I could pick out a good player in Europe, surely a professional could?
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Agreed hookey- we can't wait around 3 weeks to let kmac decide whether or not he wants to be considered - let's get a manager in who has managed!
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Agreed hookey- we can't wait around 3 weeks to let kmac decide whether or not he wants to be considered - let's get a manager in who has managed!
It's all smoke and mirrors. He's saying this to keep the journalists at an arms length.
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I heard from an ex Blues player (him of "Shit on The Villa" t-shirt fame) some time ago that Giovanni Trappatoni was VP bound. Stephen Ireland, Richard Dunne connection.
I know he fell ill a while ago and this could easily explain the delay.
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Did having good playing careers stand them in good stead for being managers? What's a good playing career got to do with being a good manager. I'd actually argue there are more good managers with average or less than average playing careers than the other way around e.g Mourinho being the best example.
True, but a a sucessful playing career means you experience how to run a successful team by being part of that team and observing the manager. You also get a picture from the inside of how football clubs are run and what being a manager of one entails. Mourinho may not have played, but he got this by working under Sir Bobby Robson for a number of years.
Bradley has not real understanding of how European football clubs are run, from any perspective other than being a fan and watching games.
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Did having good playing careers stand them in good stead for being managers? What's a good playing career got to do with being a good manager. I'd actually argue there are more good managers with average or less than average playing careers than the other way around e.g Mourinho being the best example.
True, but a a sucessful playing career means you experience how to run a successful team by being part of that team and observing the manager. You also get a picture from the inside of how football clubs are run and what being a manager of one entails. Mourinho may not have played, but he got this by working under Sir Bobby Robson for a number of years.
Bradley has not real understanding of how European football clubs are run, from any perspective other than being a fan and watching games.
You're right about Bradley, but Hughes, Ince, Bruce never "worked" for Ferguson unlike Mourinho under Robson. I have no doubt Mourinho learnt a lot, but a lot of that was down to Mourinho. Otherwise Robson's other coaches at the time would all have had great careers. There are lots of good players that have played for top clubs under top mangers, that flopped as managers themselves. It doesn't neccessarily translate or get passed down.
My point is, there is no one formula for success as a manager. So to discount someone like Bradley based on our assumptions of what it takes to be a successful manager is doing him an injustice in terms of what he has achieved, or potentially could achieve given the opportunity. It's no different to giving KM a "manager" job, even though like Bradley he's only ever been a coach.
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Each to his own, but I'd rather K-Mac to Bradley as i think he's better equipped for the job.
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Each to his own, but I'd rather K-Mac to Bradley as i think he's better equipped for the job.
Agree!
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Each to his own, but I'd rather K-Mac to Bradley as i think he's better equipped for the job.
I have no problem with anyone having that opinion. As I said I'm not for or against Bradley, but whoever we do appoint I hope we all give him a chance to succeed.
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Each to his own, but I'd rather K-Mac to Bradley as i think he's better equipped for the job.
I have no problem with anyone having that opinion. As I said I'm not for or against Bradley, but whoever we do appoint I hope we all give him a chance to succeed.
I can't thing of any candidate for the job I wouldn't get behind and give my support to. Similar to a view I have on players we sign and may not rate - the very least they deserve is a chance to prove you wrong.
My point on Bradley though is that he has done nothing to suggest he can take the job on and succeed. All the other non-player managers that were mentioned had to build up there careers first, which wwere done as coaches etc. learning the professional game from the inside and even then started at lesser clubs as the main man. Would we accept a non-league footballer who was doing great things with the likes of Tamworth? because that is the level Bradley has experience of, other than managing the American side. Imagine an African coach of a similar background within his own country only - wouldn't even be a consideration.
As I said, he'll get a chance to prove me wrong if it is him, but I think it's the wrong way to go and I would have thought Randy a better chairman tha to make such a decision.
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It won't happen anyway John, as if it was going to it would have already. You know I was playing devil's advocate.
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From the Independant in the last hour...Looks like it will be Kmac to me
Aston Villa caretaker manager Kevin MacDonald has admitted that managing the club on a permanent basis would be a "great opportunity" for him.
But the Scot remains steadfast in his pledge to decide whether he will apply for the job after Villa's match against Everton on Sunday.
MacDonald said: "It's got to be thought out very, very closely.
"It would be a great opportunity for me, but it would be a great opportunity for anybody who could take over this job because it is a big club."
MacDonald added that he does not think Sunday's 6-0 defeat at Newcastle harmed his chances, but he understands why some would disagree with him.
"I think people on the outside would probably look at it that way," he said.
"But from my own point of view it hasn't changed my stance towards what I was trying to do.
"Whether it's damaged my opportunity, I've not thought of it as that yet."
Villa defender Carlos Cuellar also claimed the Newcastle defeat would not become a factor in the appointment process.
"I don't think one result can change the thinking of the owner," he said.
"I think the responsibility (for the defeat) was with the players. We were trying to do our best but we had a bad day.
"But we now have another opportunity. Every player is with him and every player is trying to do as well as possible."
The caretaker boss also said he would also be monitoring how the players treated him between now and next week.
"The players, at whatever level you're working with, have to have respect for you," he said.
"I will know if they've got the respect for me or not come the weekend.
"If they don't have that respect then I'll have to maybe look at things in another light."
Villa take on Rapid Vienna in the second leg of their Europe League play-off on Thursday.
MacDonald would not reveal whether he would stick with the inexperienced side that drew 1-1 in Vienna, or call upon fit first team regulars such as Cuellar, James Collins and Gabriel Agbonlahor after the regained their fitness.
"I've thought about throwing more of the youngsters in," he said.
"They performed very well in a very hostile atmosphere (in Vienna).
"I've also thought about playing a few more of the senior players. But whatever team I put out, the big point for us is that we actually qualify and get through the tie.
"Whether it's youngsters, whether it's seniors, that is the most important thing.
"I'm thinking about both sides, but I can't tell you the team yet."
MacDonald's hand may be forced by injuries to senior players, particularly in defence.
Richard Dunne and Luke Young have both picked up knocks, while Stephen Warnock and winger Stewart Downing are being rested after playing three games in nine days.
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Bob Bradley it is then.
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I will hopefully be proved wrong....but if KM gets the nod, I think it will end in tears within 12 months.
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...winger Stewart Downing is being rested after playing three games in nine days.
If ever anyone needed a pick-me-up, this is it.
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Rumours about Ottmar Hitzfeld being announced as the new manager on Friday
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Rumours about Ottmar Hitzfeld being announced as the new manager on Friday
We'd get confused with two people called The General at VP.
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Rumours about Ottmar Hitzfeld being announced as the new manager on Friday
Rumours where?
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Rumours about Ottmar Hitzfeld being announced as the new manager on Friday
Rumours where?
Someone has just changed his wikipedia page by the looks of it. Not that that means a fat lot.
I'd be over the moon with that though.
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Hitzfeld please!
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My choice since day one !
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But then again hilts, Bruce has picked up some cracking players in Central/South America and brought them to England without having any prior knowledge of that market. If you or I could pick out a good player in Europe, surely a professional could?
Of course it can be done. My point is that a lack of knowledge of the British / European game and players would be a major disadvantage for a manager of an English club, whichever way you look at it. There is no way that Bradley's inexperience in that regard could be construed as advantageous.
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He'd be better than any of the others, even Klinsmann.
A team that can pass consistently, can you imagine?
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Each to his own, but I'd rather K-Mac to Bradley as i think he's better equipped for the job.
In what way?
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Hitzfeld would be an excellent choice, as Klinsmann would be also. I can't help thinking its all rubbish though and come Monday KMac will be given the nod till Jan at the earluest
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottmar_Hitzfeld
Someone has been busy... and it looks like we might have a new 'General' lol.
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I would be delighted if this 'rumour' about Hitzfeld is true. Twice European Cup winner, big name to attract players, good European knowledge, exactly what we need.
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would love hitzfeld, but the way things are going lately, i cant see it...
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I would love it to be Hitzfeld, but can't see it.
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Ottmar coming...
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Hitzfeld would be a major boost for the club & some signing, will it happen ? I really hope so but can't see it myself.
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I heard from an ex Blues player (him of "Shit on The Villa" t-shirt fame) some time ago that Giovanni Trappatoni was VP bound. Stephen Ireland, Richard Dunne connection.
I know he fell ill a while ago and this could easily explain the delay.
Would make sense as far as the recent trip to Milan was concerned, but I'm not sure how Paul Tait would be in the loop on that one.
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Why are we taking so much notice of this?
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Why are we taking so much notice of this?
Probably becasue there is sod all else happening.
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Because every Villa fan knows that the next manager is "crucial" to the progression from the strides taken with MON. And if that progression stops now, we could easily slide into a mid-table team ................
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Because every Villa fan knows that the next manager is "crucial" to the progression from the strides taken with MON. And if that progression stops now, we could easily slide into a mid-table team ................
I know that, but why are we taking a half-arsed rumour on an internet messageboard so seriously?
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Because every Villa fan knows that the next manager is "crucial" to the progression from the strides taken with MON. And if that progression stops now, we could easily slide into a mid-table team ................
I know that, but why are we taking a half-arsed rumour on an internet messageboard so seriously?
Old fashioned boredom
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The midfielder might be Inler or Behrami?
I still doubt it. In The Tracksuit, On The Bench for me.
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Hitzfeld makes sense on all counts.
We can but hope
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Hitzfeld would be a tremendous catch. Lets hope that this rumour is true. The guy is a true winner. What more could we ask for? Furthermore, he could attract other players. Fingers crossed......
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Hitzfeld would be a great choice and ties in with the rumour earlier today about it being an international manager , I would be thrilled with this appointment and it may well be klinsmann who has recommended him?
Interesting 48 hours ahead I feel!
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Because every Villa fan knows that the next manager is "crucial" to the progression from the strides taken with MON. And if that progression stops now, we could easily slide into a mid-table team ................
I know that, but why are we taking a half-arsed rumour on an internet messageboard so seriously?
Wishful thinking?
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Why are we taking a half-arsed rumour on an internet messageboard so seriously?
Bloody hell Dave .... Its never stopped us before has it ?
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Has this really all stemmed from some bright spark doctoring Hitzveld's wikipedia page?
***starts updating Jose Mourinho's profile***
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Wasn't the original MON/Randy split an internet rumour to begin with?
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Hitzfeld would be a tremendous catch. Lets hope that this rumour is true. The guy is a true winner. What more could we ask for? Furthermore, he could attract other players. Fingers crossed......
Can't see it happening. There's only room for one 'General' at Villa Park. What I do like is the probability of those around him learning from his vast experience. A footballing intellectual Bobby Robson?
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Hitzfeld stated he wasn't interested in fulham and announced he would retire after 2012 euros but maybe the lure of Aston villa would prove tempting!
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Wasn't the original MON/Randy split an internet rumour to begin with?
It was posted on football rumours. That said if you notice the hopeless crap on there one could assume that some guy made it up and it just happened.
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Wasn't the original MON/Randy split an internet rumour to begin with?
I always thought it was down to him tracing the rumour to its original source at Villatalk and then having a read of a few other threads. His ego was never the same.
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How old is Ottmar now and how is his English?
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61 and excellent.
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1. Just had a read of the Hitzfield wiki page and his managerial credentials look pretty good
2. Recommended to RL from Klinnsman, big possibility
3. General (our original one !) stated sometime ago last week that RL had flown to Italy "for a couple of days break" ....neighbouring Swittzerland, where Hitzfiled coaches !
4. If pre negotiations had taken place, there maybe some player negotiations already taken place to sign them next Tues (a la last year with 3 good ones on last day)
All seems quite straightforward to me !
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I have my doubts about this, but can I get in there first with a dreadful "Ottmar Empire" pun?
Thanks.
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But its got to be now...just practiced at high pitched shout.."Ottmar Hitzfield's Claret and Blue Army "....sounds great !
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I'll eat my own sh*t i f this proves true..........
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I'll eat my own sh*t i f this proves true..........
...and post the pictures please.
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Aston Villa will appoint Kevin MacDonald as manager.
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Hitzfelds Wiki page has been re-edited now.
No mention of Villa link anymore.
Not that it proves anything the other way of course...
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Bastard, bollocks, bugger
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These rumours may make the eventual appointment seem a bit underwhelming.
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Hitzfelds Wiki page has been re-edited now.
No mention of Villa link anymore.
Not that it proves anything the other way of course...
Anyone can edit a Wiki page - even Blues fans.
Well, on second thoughts.....
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I fear that this will go from ITK to WTF and a lot of nastiness between us keyboard warriors before the new incumbent starts his first match. I hope not.
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Wasn't the original MON/Randy split an internet rumour to begin with?
Not if you really were, as the horrible saying goes, ITK.
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I'll eat my own sh*t i f this proves true..........
...and post the pictures please.
I may be weird suggesting it, however you're worringly bonkers wanting the pics haha!!
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It will be Macdonald, we're taking the cheap, yes man option. Depressing.
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I was in a Croatian Restaurant in Sheldon last night and Slaven Bilic was in there with his agent.
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I was in a Croatian Restaurant in Sheldon last night and Slaven Bilic was in there with his agent.
Funny how they always show up in the places Yugo.
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I was in a Croatian Restaurant in Sheldon last night and Slaven Bilic was in there with his agent.
Very considerate for these managers advisors to wear big "I am an Agent" badges.
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Daily Mail website:
MacDonald confirmed Wednesday’s Sportsmail story that he is to undergo a two-match test when he said: ‘I have spoken with Mr Lerner and we decided, if we wait until after the Everton game, we have a two-week break.
‘If I decide this job is for me, I’ll hopefully get an interview, speak to the owner and pass on my thoughts about how to take the club forwards.
‘If it’s not for me, then all the other people being considered will get their interviews.’
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All the best managers have a burning ambition. How can KM inspire players when he says things like:
‘I’ve never seen myself becoming a manager,’ he said. ‘I don’t know if I’m going to be better as a manager. People are encouraging me, but they don’t have to make the decision."
Why would we want the face of the club to be someone who is not sure. This is the cheap easy option if it happens. And the fact that after 3 weeks no interviews have taken place because we are waiting for a coach with low self confidence/ambition drives me mad.
I like KM and he is a brilliant youth coach but he is no manager. It feels very frustrating.
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I was in a Croatian Restaurant in Sheldon last night and Slaven Bilic was in there with his agent.
Is there a Croatian restaurant in Sheldon? If so is the food any good?
Hope it's better than this specualtion.
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The players obviously don't respect KM from the way they played sat, plus he looks like he is a walkover, a yes man to Randy.
If he is appointed we know Randy is cutting back!
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The players obviously don't respect KM from the way they played sat, plus he looks like he is a walkover, a yes man to Randy.
If he is appointed we know Randy is cutting back!
Or that there is no manager who is willing to come at the moment who would be good enough?
Would it be better to get a fifth choice manager on a three year deal or Kevin MacDonald on a 9 month contract so we can get a first choice manager next summer?
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No it's better to get a manager, not a man whose coached for 16 years, he showed nothing at all Saturday, bad team selection, no tactics and no change because of wrong subs too late.
BUT he may prove that he learnt alot and do really well against Rapid and Everton.
I just fear that the players will get away with what they can with him on charge.
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No it's better to get a manager, not a man whose coached for 16 years, he showed nothing at all Saturday, bad team selection, no tactics and no change because of wrong subs too late.
So it's better to have any manager, on a long term contract even if we don't particularly want them?
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I was in a Croatian Restaurant in Sheldon last night and Slaven Bilic was in there with his agent.
W
Was he eating with poo bear and Tigger ??
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I was in the German Cafe in Shirley earlier (yes there is one - check it) and Jurgen Klinnsman, Otto Hitzfeld and Nena were in there.
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I was in the German Cafe in Shirley earlier (yes there is one - check it) and Jurgen Klinnsman, Otto Hitzfeld and Nena were in there.
It's bloody expensive in there, and they put the prices up at night.
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I was in the German Cafe in Shirley earlier (yes there is one - check it) and Jurgen Klinnsman, Otto Hitzfeld and Nena were in there.
I know Klinsmann wasn't :)
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Would it be better to get a fifth choice manager on a three year deal or Kevin MacDonald on a 9 month contract so we can get a first choice manager next summer?
It depends if the fifth choice manager is better than Kevin MacDonald which, if we have any sort of half-decent shortlist, he should be. I don't believe for a moment that the number and calibre of interested candidates is so low that a man with the sum total of 7 first team games management experience, one of which was a 6-0 thrashing, is a serious contender.
In any case, why does our first choice automatically become available next summer?
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Would it be better to get a fifth choice manager on a three year deal or Kevin MacDonald on a 9 month contract so we can get a first choice manager next summer?
It depends if the fifth choice manager is better than Kevin MacDonald which, if we have any sort of half-decent shortlist, he should be. I don't believe for a moment that the number and calibre of interested candidates is so low that a man with the sum total of 7 first team games management experience, one of which was a 6-0 thrashing, is a serious contender.
In any case, why does our first choice automatically become available next summer?
I didn't say that he would be.
I just advocated not appointing the wrong manager on potentially a long-term contract now for the simple reason that "we need to appoint a manager now".
If we can't appoint the right person I see little reason to appoint the wrong person.
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I was in the German Cafe in Shirley earlier (yes there is one - check it) and Jurgen Klinnsman, Otto Hitzfeld and Nena were in there.
I know Klinsmann wasn't :)
Oooooh you tinker
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I see we're all being flattened by the rush of big name managers desperate for the job - as some people seemed to believe would happen as soon as MON left the building........not
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No it's better to get a manager, not a man whose coached for 16 years, he showed nothing at all Saturday, bad team selection, no tactics and no change because of wrong subs too late.
So it's better to have any manager, on a long term contract even if we don't particularly want them?
If u need a new boiler you get a heating engineer, you don't get a handy man because he is cheaper, and has bled a few radiators!
KM is not a manager and we are not a Blackburn everton midtable who can take a gamble on an unknown manager.
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I see we're all being flattened by the rush of big name managers desperate for the job - as some people seemed to believe would happen as soon as MON left the building........not
That's a point, and one that's been used a few times in the past couple of weeks. As has the phrase "five days before the season started".
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He certainly fucked us over.
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I see we're all being flattened by the rush of big name managers desperate for the job - as some people seemed to believe would happen as soon as MON left the building........not
Martin Jol - "Villa will have to wait."
Svennis - "Big club, anyone would be interested."
Koemen- "I know they are looking at me, but they are considering others too."
They'd be pretty small names in most peoples book...not
In fact, the only potential target who came out and said he wasn't interested is David Moyes. And 12 more months of glass ceiling there could make him revise that.
Or were you holding out for Mourinho?
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Martin Jol - "Villa will have to wait."
Svennis - "Big club, anyone would be interested."
Koemen- "I know they are looking at me, but they are considering others too."
Or were you holding out for Mourinho?
Koemen- "I know they are looking at me, but they are considering others too." - Thats a really clear "I want the job"...not
Svennis - "Big club, anyone would be interested." - I assume this is Mr Erikson. He would do for me but from the various threads about a new manager, there are quite a few people who don't think he's good enough.
Martin Jol - "Villa will have to wait." - Need I say more?
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How the hell do we know who we have approached and who is interested or not?
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I didn't say that he would be.
I just advocated not appointing the wrong manager on potentially a long-term contract now for the simple reason that "we need to appoint a manager now".
If we can't appoint the right person I see little reason to appoint the wrong person.
But your argument for appointing a caretaker is predicated on someone superior to today's candidates being available next year. There's nothing I can see to say that would be the case. Unless there was some commitment from a clearly superior candidate that he would take the job next year there would be no reason to appoint a caretaker manager. Because there is nothing to suggest next year's candidates would be markedly different. Indeed, if the caretaker failed, as they usually do, the field of candidates next year may well be inferior.
What we have to do is appoint the best manager we possibly can and do it as soon as possible. I would be staggered if Randy is not able to find and attract a better manager than Martin O'Neill, and even more staggered if he appointed Bob Bradley or Kevin MacDonald who clearly lack, among other things, the level of experience we are looking for.
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I was in the German Cafe in Shirley earlier (yes there is one - check it) and Jurgen Klinnsman, Otto Hitzfeld and Nena were in there.
It's bloody expensive in there, and they put the prices up at night.
Is it worth it though? I can't believe I've only just found out about this place.
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I was in the German Cafe in Shirley earlier (yes there is one - check it) and Jurgen Klinnsman, Otto Hitzfeld and Nena were in there.
It's bloody expensive in there, and they put the prices up at night.
Is it worth it though? I can't believe I've only just found out about this place.
They do very good schnitzel although pork and not veal. I saw Rudi Voller in there last week and he did a runner, chasing a guy down the Stratford Road that looked exactly like Frank Rijkaard.
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It's a good cafe but not so good restaurant. The schnitzel is nice.
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How the hell do we know who we have approached and who is interested or not?
We don't but it doesn't appear from Kevin MacDonald's comments that we will have offered anyone the job.
‘I have spoken with Mr Lerner and we decided, if we wait until after the Everton game, we have a two-week break.
‘If I decide this job is for me, I’ll hopefully get an interview, speak to the owner and pass on my thoughts about how to take the club forwards.
‘If it’s not for me, then all the other people being considered will get their interviews.’
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How much time will have been lost fannying about like that?
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I didn't say that he would be.
I just advocated not appointing the wrong manager on potentially a long-term contract now for the simple reason that "we need to appoint a manager now".
If we can't appoint the right person I see little reason to appoint the wrong person.
But your argument for appointing a caretaker is predicated on someone superior to today's candidates being available next year. There's nothing I can see to say that would be the case. Unless there was some commitment from a clearly superior candidate that he would take the job next year there would be no reason to appoint a caretaker manager. Because there is nothing to suggest next year's candidates would be markedly different. Indeed, if the caretaker failed, as they usually do, the field of candidates next year may well be inferior.
What we have to do is appoint the best manager we possibly can and do it as soon as possible. I would be staggered if Randy is not able to find and attract a better manager than Martin O'Neill, and even more staggered if he appointed Bob Bradley or Kevin MacDonald who clearly lack, among other things, the level of experience we are looking for.
My argument might well be based on who might be available next year. But there is far less supposition in my argument than in yours.
It has already been rumoured that the overwhelming favourite on this board might be available next summer but almost certainly isn't this summer. If Lerner agrees with 37% of posters on H&V and wants Martin Jol, is there any point appointing Sven Goran Eriksson if that isn't the manager that he wants?
It's not the same as player transfers where if you can't get your preferred centre-half you have three of four alternative choices who might do just as good a job. If I had the choice of a season with Kevin MacDonald and an 8th place finish followed by the board's ideal manager next year or a manager that the board don't actually want for the next three years then I will sign up for the former.
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But your argument for appointing a caretaker is predicated on someone superior to today's candidates being available next year. There's nothing I can see to say that would be the case. Unless there was some commitment from a clearly superior candidate that he would take the job next year there would be no reason to appoint a caretaker manager. Because there is nothing to suggest next year's candidates would be markedly different. Indeed, if the caretaker failed, as they usually do, the field of candidates next year may well be inferior.
The latter part is the chance you take and the biggest risk.
But I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that -in general- the start of summer is a better time to make that kind of long term appointment than the end, and that the pool of available options would be bigger.
Managers at smaller clubs fresh off the back of a successful season might be more open to change. Managers with a decent profile might have struggled at a big club and need a fresh start and so on.
This is the time of year when most clubs have their plans and strategy in place. Some of them might alter that as quick as Oct/ Nov, but not many would let a manager walk at this time -unless they wanted shot of him.
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Which just enforces the shit that Oneill left us in, he may well have had his reasons but to do what he did when he did should be remembered by any future employer.
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Which just enforces the shit that Oneill left us in, he may well have had his reasons but to do what he did when he did should be remembered by any future employer.
Which of course it won't be. This is football after all. Everyone has very short memories when they choose.
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worst nightmare =
Get to the ground tonight, get to my seat, turn around and look up at directors box, see bob bradleys head shining in the moonlight :-(
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oh no Macdonald in the sun has said that he thinks Heskey is a top top player and we will not be letting top top players go!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3111848/Kevin-MacDonald-to-decide-on-Aston-Villa-future.html
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oh no Macdonald in the sun has said that he thinks Heskey is a top top player and we will not be letting top top players go!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3111848/Kevin-MacDonald-to-decide-on-Aston-Villa-future.html
Oh my word. If that's the case, MacDonald is definitely not the man for the job.
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oh no Macdonald in the sun has said that he thinks Heskey is a top top player and we will not be letting top top players go!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3111848/Kevin-MacDonald-to-decide-on-Aston-Villa-future.html
That interview has made my mind up. KM definately doesnt't want the job and I wouldn't be surprised if RL already knows this and has been looking for a replacement anyway. I think the "I haven't decided yet" line is being thrown around to keep the press at arms length. I wouldn't be surprised to see someone appointed Monday or Tuesday of next week, with at least one player coming in as well.
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Which just enforces the shit that Oneill left us in, he may well have had his reasons but to do what he did when he did should be remembered by any future employer.
Exactly. Spot on. But no one will remember that because football is full of brain dead people who will take on any manager or player almost regardless of what they have done...with a few exceptions
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Each to his own, but I'd rather K-Mac to Bradley as i think he's better equipped for the job.
In what way?
In the way that I think K-Mac has a better understanding of how to run and coach a professional football team on a day to day basis, a greater knowledge of players around Europe and knows the league we play in better also.
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"No, I didn't feel the buzz when the fans chanted my name.If I could pick a team and stand there as the invisible man and see how it goes, that would be great."
Well do one then mate!
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Well sadly, without any signings forthcoming, Emile has to stay. I'd play him over Carew right now too, after big John's horror display against Newcastle. That and the fact that 2 games in a week is too much for Carew.
Hopefully Gabby plays though. :)
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I'd play Carew over emile everyday, a shite carew will score at least 10 goals a season
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After reading that interview, I'm coming to the conclusion that K-Mac may have the ability, but he doesn't have the passion and desire to be a top flight manager!
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oh no Macdonald in the sun has said that he thinks Heskey is a top top player and we will not be letting top top players go!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3111848/Kevin-MacDonald-to-decide-on-Aston-Villa-future.html
That interview has made my mind up. KM definately doesnt't want the job and I wouldn't be surprised if RL already knows this and has been looking for a replacement anyway. I think the "I haven't decided yet" line is being thrown around to keep the press at arms length. I wouldn't be surprised to see someone appointed Monday or Tuesday of next week, with at least one player coming in as well.
I too think he is giving the press smoke and mirrors.
Well, I'm hoping that's the case.
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GingerCollins29 has been at it again:
"Press conference Friday is what I said, media speculation will be rife from tomorrow (Thursday) onwards."
http://www.villatalk.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=63816&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=120
Well, today is put up or shut up day. ???
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Ginger Collins is full of shit.Look at the evidence media speculation is not rife today one iota.None of the papers have an exclusive on the new Villa manager coming in and it totally contradicts what Kev Mac has said after the Everton game he will get an interview or other managers will.
The guy has only 39 posts on VillaTalk,surely he is a bluenose just winding people up.
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Are we allowed conspiracy theories in this thread?
Seems to me he is saying I want to coach the first team and nothing more, so bring in someone to do the rest.
With the absence of games for 2 weeks after Everton the pressure will be off, with little chance of further player exits an ideal breathing space for RL to negotiate with a new man. Perhaps his plan all along.
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Maybe ITKs should only be allowed to publish if they pay £10 to H&V or a charity. Then we'd know who really has the ear to the ground.
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After reading that interview, I'm coming to the conclusion that K-Mac may have the ability, but he doesn't have the passion and desire to be a top flight manager!
Completely out of context. He says he's happy being a coach and he picks the players, but shouldn't be lauded by the fans because that's all he does, it's the players that perform on the pitch. He always sounds like a very humble and unassuming man, not a raging ego like some other managers. He's just different, but I bet the fires of passion and a will to win burn no less brightly in his belly (he did play for Liverpool after all). Given that Lerner himself is quite a humble person and the present Villa direction in general is one of unassuming pride in what we do (hence the lack of self-congratulating hype after we put Acorns on our shirt) then I would suggest KMac is exactly the right kind of man that could succeed here. He also talked of having a Director of Football-type in above him handling the media, agents, buying players etc, the kind of stuff which is a little superfluous to the actual game of football.
All in all if we can't get the right manager right now KMac should be given the nod until the end of the season at the latest, simply because it offers the path of least upheaval and disturbance to the way Villa are currently set up. Bring in someone like Graham Taylor above him too, and I think that would be a decent way to approach this season.
The timing and manner of MON's departure has, for me, cancelled out all the good things he did at Villa. What a pathetic and small-minded man. At the least he should have given Lerner more warning and carried on working until his replacement was identified given how close the season was to starting. He knew exactly what kind of crap he was landing the club in, especially as he took a significant number of the back room staff with him too.
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MacDonald confirmed Wednesday’s Sportsmail story that he is to undergo a two-match test when he said: ‘I have spoken with Mr Lerner and we decided, if we wait until after the Everton game, we have a two-week break.
‘If I decide this job is for me, I’ll hopefully get an interview, speak to the owner and pass on my thoughts about how to take the club forwards.
‘If it’s not for me, then all the other people being considered will get their interviews.’
So, basically, he's been told he gets first shout at the job before they even interview anyone else.
It looks like we've made up our minds, and we seem to think we've got all the time in the world - waiting till after the Everton game for the two week break?
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Waiting til after the Everton game proves a season of consolidation and no new players until January at least when it is considerably more difficult to sign players.With Heskey being one of our worst signings ever and Carew's form very patchy where are the goals going to come from?
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Hi guys,
New poster here. With Jol out of question - I would be happy with the following
Ottmar Hitzfeld - superb record does he want back in to club football though. Might do Switz arent really going anywhere
Felix Magath - speaks English, fantastic record, rumours of bust up with Schalke board
Carlos Queiroz - still the likely one for me. He is hardly going to be too happy with the Portugese FA after they suspended him. Would be superb for our scouting record. Not a great club record but Id be happy with him and think he is gettable.
Other than that - Fatih Terim and Unai Emery both have decent records but not sure if they speak English
If we want a manager who got the most out of an average bunch of players at international level then Sven not Bradley. Sven wouldnt be a bad appointment really. We wouldnt concede too much with him in charge and again he would get in good players.
Bradley or Kevin Mc - what other jobs in the EPL would they be considered for? None
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Waiting til after the Everton game proves a season of consolidation and no new players until January at least when it is considerably more difficult to sign players.With Heskey being one of our worst signings ever and Carew's form very patchy where are the goals going to come from?
It's not so much the wait till after Everton thing as the see if KM fancies an interview first, and only then start to interview other people.
Looks to me like they desperately want KM to take it.
I don't know if that is because they think he's the best man for the job, or because he is the "easy" appointment. I suspect it is the latter, which would be disappointing.
I'll get behind him if he is given the chance, but if you look back, say three months, and asked "who would you want to succeed MON", I wonder what percentage would have said KM.
We probably did that poll on the old site somewhere.
It's all getting slightly depressing.
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So, basically, he's been told he gets first shout at the job before they even interview anyone else.
It looks like we've made up our minds, and we seem to think we've got all the time in the world - waiting till after the Everton game for the two week break?
Not necessarily. To me that looks like Randy has told him "get the Everton game out of the way and we'll talk about whether you want the job or not". No harm in that, in fact it's a reasonable courtesy to pay him, to interview him first.
It doesn't suggest to me that it's KM's if he wants it - there are clearly plenty of other candidates.
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So, basically, he's been told he gets first shout at the job before they even interview anyone else.
It looks like we've made up our minds, and we seem to think we've got all the time in the world - waiting till after the Everton game for the two week break?
Not necessarily. To me that looks like Randy has told him "get the Everton game out of the way and we'll talk about whether you want the job or not". No harm in that, in fact it's a reasonable courtesy to pay him, to interview him first.
It doesn't suggest to me that it's KM's if he wants it - there are clearly plenty of other candidates.
So why not, in the meantime, start interviewing other candidates? Why wait until KM decides if he even wants to apply for it?
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After reading that interview, I'm coming to the conclusion that K-Mac may have the ability, but he doesn't have the passion and desire to be a top flight manager!
Completely out of context.
It;s this bit really:-
"I'm undecided on whether I would like to be considered for an interview"
A man with passion and desire for the job wouldn't be sitting there wonderign if he wants to be interviewed or not, he'd be putting himself right in the frame, even if that were just behind the scenes with Randy.
I agree we could do worse and a year to see what he can do if no top choice is available isn't a bad idea, but this to me does not read like the comment of a budding Ferguson or Mourinho.
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I'd play Carew over emile everyday, a shite carew will score at least 10 goals a season
And would also contribute to more results like last Sundays and the game against Chelsea last March.
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why do we have to get the Everton game "out of the way",We can still interview potential managers while Kev Mac minds the shop! It all smacks of small mindedness to me and a lack of Kev Mac is our only plan A and he will do.Why not interview someone else and let them impress you so your in a better position come Sunday 6pm!
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So, basically, he's been told he gets first shout at the job before they even interview anyone else.
It looks like we've made up our minds, and we seem to think we've got all the time in the world - waiting till after the Everton game for the two week break?
Not necessarily. To me that looks like Randy has told him "get the Everton game out of the way and we'll talk about whether you want the job or not". No harm in that, in fact it's a reasonable courtesy to pay him, to interview him first.
It doesn't suggest to me that it's KM's if he wants it - there are clearly plenty of other candidates.
So why not, in the meantime, start interviewing other candidates? Why wait until KM decides if he even wants to apply for it?
Because they're not ready?
They seem to be making great play of the fact that we have the two week break coming up - maybe they've just decided that "applicants by August 31st". Doesn't sound unreasonable. Presumably other potential candidates will have games tonight / at the weekend too.
One thing that is clear is that they aren't going to be rushed by the closing of the transfer window, so why rush at all?
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Doesn't add up does it paulie. Why keep the bloke hanging on unless he's working to an agreed policy and already has his future mapped out.
Does happen.
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I don't want Kev Mac as manager,he is too unassuming,he won't upset people and he's not ruthless and determined at all,the total opposite of Mourinho.
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It's like K-Mac is taking the managers job for a test drive to see if he likes the job and the job likes him.
I suppose he is waiting to see do his tactics work, if all the games he managed ended up like the West Ham game, he would definitely be wanting the job, however if all the games end up like Newcastle, he would definitely not want the job.
It's probably fair to give him the run of games to see what the results look like, at the moment, i would say the results point to someone else gettig the job, after 2 more games/results/performances it may look different.
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Because they're not ready?
They seem to be making great play of the fact that we have the two week break coming up - maybe they've just decided that "applicants by August 31st". Doesn't sound unreasonable. Presumably other potential candidates will have games tonight / at the weekend too.
One thing that is clear is that they aren't going to be rushed by the closing of the transfer window, so why rush at all?
Not ready? They've had two weeks already.
I understand if it takes longer because targets are in jobs, but they're going to be in jobs in two weeks time, that's not going to change.
Waiting what will be almost four weeks from the resignation of the manager to see if the caretaker manager even fancies interviewing for the job - let alone if he wants to take it - before speaking to other candidates, seeing the transfer window close in the meantime, in a period when we've just had a reminder of how things can go wrong by being tonked 6-0 by a championship side .... to be entirely honest, that strikes me as extremely half arsed.
I'd also have grave misgivings about the durability of someone who is taking this long to decide whether he even wants to apply, but that's another issue.
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He crashed on his test drive by playing Carew,Young,Ireland,Albrighton,Downing and a new Petrov with a license to bomb forward,also when he played Heskey on the right wing.
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It's like K-Mac is taking the managers job for a test drive to see if he likes the job and the job likes him.
I suppose he is waiting to see do his tactics work, if all the games he managed ended up like the West Ham game, he would definitely be wanting the job, however if all the games end up like Newcastle, he would definitely not want the job.
It's probably fair to give him the run of games to see what the results look like, at the moment, i would say the results point to someone else gettig the job, after 2 more games/results/performances it may look different.
We can't really appoint someone on the basis of two or three games as manager, though. Last week was a great reminder of the folly of that - West Ham, great, Newcastle beyond awful.
It has to be done on what he has done in the game before the last few weeks as well.
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A season of torpor and mediocrity awaits.
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If the clubs cash saving policy is to put faith in the youth then KM is the obvious choice.
It also shows a complete U turn and plays into the Mon exit theorists and is an extremely naive and regressive move. Should it happen of course.
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Because they're not ready?
They seem to be making great play of the fact that we have the two week break coming up - maybe they've just decided that "applicants by August 31st". Doesn't sound unreasonable. Presumably other potential candidates will have games tonight / at the weekend too.
One thing that is clear is that they aren't going to be rushed by the closing of the transfer window, so why rush at all?
Not ready? They've had two weeks already.
I understand if it takes longer because targets are in jobs, but they're going to be in jobs in two weeks time, that's not going to change.
Waiting what will be almost four weeks from the resignation of the manager to see if the caretaker manager even fancies interviewing for the job - let alone if he wants to take it - before speaking to other candidates, seeing the transfer window close in the meantime, in a period when we've just had a reminder of how things can go wrong by being tonked 6-0 by a championship side .... to be entirely honest, that strikes me as extremely half arsed.
I'd also have grave misgivings about the durability of someone who is taking this long to decide whether he even wants to apply, but that's another issue.
What do you think might be the reasoning behind leaving it until next week to make an appointment?
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We were trying to get into the Champions League and win the Carling Cup last season,this season our sights seem to have dropped dramatically,our ambition seems to have evaporated.O'Neill wasn't perfect but can we appoint a manager at least who can come away from Old Trafford with 3 points or at least thinks he can and beat the Blues on every occasion we play them?
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Well I like Kev but im not sure about him having the job now I must admit
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Leaving it until next week means we can't buy any new players,this is not the end of the world if Gus Hiddink came in,it's suicide with an unproven manager like Kev Mac in charge.
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He doesn't seem to have desire, I want him to say I want the job, I want to prove im the man I've spoken to the board about targets!!
Lets kill em. Playing Heskey on the wing has shades of previous managment
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Don't think our ambition has evaporated, but maybe just on hold until we get this mess sorted.
A mess that is down to MON.
KMac is NOT the man for the job, I do however like him and would want him to carry on in some capacity maybe higher up the chain than the stiffs.
What I don't want is Randy or KM taking a punt on the job and him being our Les Reed!
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Just out of interest, when is the cut of point for stopping blaming MON? When the new manager arrives? January when he can buy his own players? This time next year so he'll have had a full pre-season?
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Because they're not ready?
They seem to be making great play of the fact that we have the two week break coming up - maybe they've just decided that "applicants by August 31st". Doesn't sound unreasonable. Presumably other potential candidates will have games tonight / at the weekend too.
One thing that is clear is that they aren't going to be rushed by the closing of the transfer window, so why rush at all?
Not ready? They've had two weeks already.
I understand if it takes longer because targets are in jobs, but they're going to be in jobs in two weeks time, that's not going to change.
Waiting what will be almost four weeks from the resignation of the manager to see if the caretaker manager even fancies interviewing for the job - let alone if he wants to take it - before speaking to other candidates, seeing the transfer window close in the meantime, in a period when we've just had a reminder of how things can go wrong by being tonked 6-0 by a championship side .... to be entirely honest, that strikes me as extremely half arsed.
I'd also have grave misgivings about the durability of someone who is taking this long to decide whether he even wants to apply, but that's another issue.
I don't disagree with your last point at all, KM doesn't sound like someone who either wants or feels confident he can do the job and that's very worrying.
As for the reason for waiting until next week to interview I, like everyone else can only speculate. But it seems like there are a few possible reasons to me:
1) They aren't quite ready for some of the reasons we've discussed, or
2) They really are waiting to see if we get knocked out of Europe or get thumped on Sunday, or
3) They're waiting to see if Ajax stay in teh Chumps League, or
4) They prefer to wait until the transfer window is closed.
If they've decided KM can have the job if he wants it, why bother with the drawing up short-lists, talking about interviewing other candidates? IF KM was shoe-in, then it would have been done by now wouldn't it?
As an aside, MON has put us under time pressure sure, but I'm yet to see anything that gives me confidence that the club's ambitions haven't been lowered. The time it's taking to appoint a manager could be seen as ensuring we stay in a holding pattern for the time being - i.e. don't spend anything in this window.
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And I was so looking forward to seeing Pete Colley in HD outside VP next Tuesday, he'll have to go the the Albion instead.
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Just out of interest, when is the cut of point for stopping blaming MON?
That would be a matter of opinion.
I might need a while longer yet.
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Just out of interest, when is the cut of point for stopping blaming MON? When the new manager arrives? January when he can buy his own players? This time next year so he'll have had a full pre-season?
This entire season will be impacted purely by the fact he fucked off when he did.
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Is the correct answer Pauliewalnuts.
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Just out of interest, when is the cut of point for stopping blaming MON? When the new manager arrives? January when he can buy his own players? This time next year so he'll have had a full pre-season?
This entire season will be impacted purely by the fact he fucked off when he did.
You could argue that it is being equally impacted by the board apparently lowering their ambitions and, in chicken and egg style, I doubt we'll ever know which came first.
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The timing was bad and nobody can deny that. However, we do have a good board and chairmen, who are unlikely to sit around decrying the timing, but rather accept it's happened and work like trojans to do what is necessary in the timescale forced upon them. That's what I'm expecting, but we haven't seen it.
OK, managerial targets may be in jobs due to it being 5-days before the season starts, but were a manager to leave in the middle of a season the same thing is often the case and a new man is still recruited in what seems to be a faster pace than this.
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It;s this bit really:-
"I'm undecided on whether I would like to be considered for an interview"
A man with passion and desire for the job wouldn't be sitting there wonderign if he wants to be interviewed or not, he'd be putting himself right in the frame, even if that were just behind the scenes with Randy.
Exactly. This level of indecisiveness hardly bodes well.
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It;s this bit really:-
"I'm undecided on whether I would like to be considered for an interview"
A man with passion and desire for the job wouldn't be sitting there wonderign if he wants to be interviewed or not, he'd be putting himself right in the frame, even if that were just behind the scenes with Randy.
Exactly. This level of indecisiveness hardly bodes well.
Agreed, the insipid nature of his responses is not exactly inspiring the fans to queue up behind him in support.
Moreover, should he get the job and a bad run of results or performances ensue further down the line, there will be be a lack of faith in his ability to turn it round (in his own mind aswell I would think).
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i would rather the board take there time and get the right man in.we dont want an appointment for appointments sake.mon waited till after mak hughes had gotta a place before he resigned.i like mcd but dont think he really wants it,but who can blame him hes done a fantastic job with the youths and reserves.this season will be interesting but mayb us villa fans will be more realistic now.
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I think Kevin genuinely is undecided and I'd much rather him be honest with us than say what he thinks what we want to hear.
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The level of ambition from the board will be evident when the managers position is filled. Whether that is Friday or 2 months away.
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Well I like Kev but im not sure about him having the job now I must admit
Im am falling into this camp now but you know as well as me win the next 2 games with some decent football, Newcastle will be written off as a one off and we will all be happy again.
Apart from the obvious production line at Anfield through the 70's & 80's i really cannot think of a caretaker appointment who then got the job and made a success of it - so i fear for Kev that at some point his wonderful CV for nurturing young talent to the point of actually winning things will be tainted by being known as a failure as a club manager
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The level of ambition from the board will be evident when the managers position is filled. Whether that is Friday or 2 months away.
Exactly what I think!
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I see we've been linked with Trezaguet this morning. It must mean that Domenech is the new boss!
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I see we've been linked with Trezaguet this morning. It must mean that Domenech is the new boss!
I've always thought Dominech is the spit of MON in a grey wig. MON tipped France in 2006 wc and after what has happened to France at the last one and subsequently at Villa perhaps they are one and the same. Someone get me some pills!
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I really don't want Kev Mac to be honest. You don't learn your trade if you've never been a manager before at a top-6 Premier league team. Also, you don't then get the choice of telling the club in a week or so whether you want to be considered for the job. (Not that I believe that for a second - a bit too convenient that the manager will decide when its too late to do anything in the transfer market. I think its either a smoke and mirrors exercis e- in a good way, or veryamateurish from the club.)
You only have 38 games in the league. The first one the players responded well to what MOn had done and lest be fair West ham were poor. The second game is enough to show that he isn't the man for the job. 6-0 and I made mistakes at Chelsea is one thing but to make so many poor choices, and decisions, and to lose 6-0 at Newcastle should firmly close the lid on that coffin.
I hope we win tonight well because I don't want Kev Mc's reputation to fal;ter at teh first hurdle should he realise he likes the top job and wants to give it a go elsewhere as it is very hard to shake off the tag of being a good trainer but poor manager.
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I can't say i was too encouraged by KMac's comments in the papers this morning. It sounds like he wants the job, but not the high profile baggage that comes with it. At a club as big as ours, that's not possible. I just get the impression he'd be better off back on the training ground, or at a smaller club.
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If it was a player humming and haahing about joining us we wouldn't want them.
He's an excellent coach and he should stay that or assistant manager.
I still maintain it's a smokescreen. it's the only way i can cope!
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My take on this, is that Randy is trying to get in someone they have identified. KMcD is the fall back plan if they don't get anyone, if Randy wanted him all along he would be in place now as our new Manager.
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If it was a player humming and haahing about joining us we wouldn't want them.
He's an excellent coach and he should stay that or assistant manager.
I still maintain it's a smokescreen. it's the only way i can cope!
Agree with you there Small Rodent and as each day goes by I'm losing the plot. I'm sure tonight's game will be just the tonic I need.
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I think Kevin genuinely is undecided and I'd much rather him be honest with us than say what he thinks what we want to hear.
Is he being honest or just sprouting what he thinks the owner wants to hear :)
Or he has been told to say
I'd doubt he doesn't have a laid out guidelines on what he can and can't say.
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The level of ambition from the board will be evident when the managers position is filled. Whether that is Friday or 2 months away.
Exactly what I think!
Assuming all circumstances are equal, surely.
If RL wants Mourinho or Sir Alex and can't get them until next season perhaps he has to make a compromise decision.
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Just out of interest, when is the cut of point for stopping blaming MON? When the new manager arrives? January when he can buy his own players? This time next year so he'll have had a full pre-season?
This entire season will be impacted purely by the fact he fucked off when he did.
Long term his squad will also impact on how the team progress too. I can't see how if the likes of DOL and JG's buys were still impacting on Villa and used even now to show how MOn had to clear out so many that the same won't be said about Mon.
After all he did leave behind some highly over paid, very peripheral players. My hope is that the new guy has more nous and can do something useful with them. more useful than paying a huge wage to sit in the stands or occasionally sit on the bench. At least the likes of Davis, McCann, Hughes, Sorensen even Baros, Angel served a purpose even if it was limited, Heskey, Sidwell and others, well
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I think Kevin genuinely is undecided and I'd much rather him be honest with us than say what he thinks what we want to hear.
Is he being honest or just sprouting what he thinks the owner wants to hear :)
Or he has been told to say
I'd doubt he doesn't have a laid out guidelines on what he can and can't say.
I recognise and understand all the words it's just that the way they're put together that is confusing me but then I have similar issues with Joyce and Beckett so don't feel bad about it.
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If MON was mulling all this over why didn't he resign when the Liverpool job became vacant...
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If MON was mulling all this over why didn't he resign when the Liverpool job became vacant...
Maybe through contacts he heard Hodgson was 1st choice.
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I would love Roy Hodgson to walk out on Liverpool over broken promises about the owners selling the club. A really good manager caught up in a joke of a situation. Come to VP, Woy. You'll be loved down here.
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I would love Roy Hodgson to walk out on Liverpool over broken promises about the owners selling the club. A really good manager caught up in a joke of a situation. Come to VP, Woy. You'll be loved down here.
Half his squad want to leave, Mascherano, Kuyt, Torres
Come on Woy you know it makes sense
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I do hope Randy isn't sitting in his office having the same thought :-\
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I'd doubt he doesn't have a laid out guidelines on what he can and can't say.
Is this a riddle?
Is the answer, a door?
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I do hope Randy isn't sitting in his office having the same thought :-\
Randy is at the NFL owners meetings in Atlanta. So I doubt he's doing much of anything Aston Villa related at the moment.
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I do hope Randy isn't sitting in his office having the same thought :-\
Randy is at the NFL owners meetings in Atlanta. So I doubt he's doing much of anything Aston Villa related at the moment.
The Trees over on VT said the Randy's plane is en route to here today.
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Is it the five year plan?
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I do hope Randy isn't sitting in his office having the same thought :-\
Randy is at the NFL owners meetings in Atlanta. So I doubt he's doing much of anything Aston Villa related at the moment.
I'm guessing his phone still works though and that Faulkner is still doing something.
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I would love Roy Hodgson to walk out on Liverpool over broken promises about the owners selling the club. A really good manager caught up in a joke of a situation. Come to VP, Woy. You'll be loved down here.
Half his squad want to leave, Mascherano, Kuyt, Torres
Come on Woy you know it makes sense
Yes, please come to Villa and repeat your fantastic achievements at Blackburn.
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I do hope Randy isn't sitting in his office having the same thought :-\
Randy is at the NFL owners meetings in Atlanta. So I doubt he's doing much of anything Aston Villa related at the moment.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I am not getting encouraging vibes.
New Manager by Friday, my arse.
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I think Kevin genuinely is undecided and I'd much rather him be honest with us than say what he thinks what we want to hear.
Is he being honest or just sprouting what he thinks the owner wants to hear :)
Or he has been told to say
I'd doubt he doesn't have a laid out guidelines on what he can and can't say.
I recognise and understand all the words it's just that the way they're put together that is confusing me but then I have similar issues with Joyce and Beckett so don't feel bad about it.
Cheers, Chris. That's made my day. Now all I have to do it stop sniggering like Mutley. Brilliant.
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Just out of interest, when is the cut of point for stopping blaming MON? When the new manager arrives? January when he can buy his own players? This time next year so he'll have had a full pre-season?
This entire season will be impacted purely by the fact he fucked off when he did.
Long term his squad will also impact on how the team progress too. I can't see how if the likes of DOL and JG's buys were still impacting on Villa and used even now to show how MOn had to clear out so many that the same won't be said about Mon.
After all he did leave behind some highly over paid, very peripheral players. My hope is that the new guy has more nous and can do something useful with them. more useful than paying a huge wage to sit in the stands or occasionally sit on the bench. At least the likes of Davis, McCann, Hughes, Sorensen even Baros, Angel served a purpose even if it was limited, Heskey, Sidwell and others, well
His use of them is one argument, but the players you mentioned would have been starters in the DOL side he inherited. There's a big difference in what you have to work with from a squad that finished 16th from a squad that finished 6th.
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A season of torpor and mediocrity awaits.
Strangely, that's how last season felt too!
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I do hope Randy isn't sitting in his office having the same thought :-\
It'd be a preferable thought to Jurgen Klinsman.
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Martin Jol - "Villa will have to wait."
Svennis - "Big club, anyone would be interested."
Koemen- "I know they are looking at me, but they are considering others too."
Or were you holding out for Mourinho?
Koemen- "I know they are looking at me, but they are considering others too." - Thats a really clear "I want the job"...not
Svennis - "Big club, anyone would be interested." - I assume this is Mr Erikson. He would do for me but from the various threads about a new manager, there are quite a few people who don't think he's good enough.
Martin Jol - "Villa will have to wait." - Need I say more?
No, please don't.
You've convinced me with your superior Wayne's World debating skills.
It's a shit job, who would possibly want it etc.
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We are so shit aren't we? Not even our own fans think we are much cop as a club.
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I would love Roy Hodgson to walk out on Liverpool over broken promises about the owners selling the club. A really good manager caught up in a joke of a situation. Come to VP, Woy. You'll be loved down here.
Half his squad want to leave, Mascherano, Kuyt, Torres
Come on Woy you know it makes sense
Yes, please come to Villa and repeat your fantastic achievements at Blackburn.
Yeh, you're right. He was shit at Fulham too. He also has no coaching knowledge, or contacts across Europe. He couldn't possibly manage a big club like Villa. After all his time at those minnows Inter Milan is irrelevant. In fact let's just dump him in with Alan Pardew or Curbishley. FFS
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I would love Roy Hodgson to walk out on Liverpool over broken promises about the owners selling the club. A really good manager caught up in a joke of a situation. Come to VP, Woy. You'll be loved down here.
I thought walking out on a club was the worst crime imaginable. Surely we wouldn't want anyone capable of such a dsatardly act at Villa Park.
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I would love Roy Hodgson to walk out on Liverpool over broken promises about the owners selling the club. A really good manager caught up in a joke of a situation. Come to VP, Woy. You'll be loved down here.
I thought walking out on a club was the worst crime imaginable. Surely we wouldn't want anyone capable of such a dsatardly act at Villa Park.
Big Ron? Bri The Messiah? Mind you they knew what they were coming to.
Why don't we appoint a Villa jirga of Elders? We could have Big Ron, Bri, Sir Graham, sitting at the top table and any Villa matters should be run through them. From appointing a manager, to fans relations, to agreeing transfer targets.
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I would love Roy Hodgson to walk out on Liverpool over broken promises about the owners selling the club. A really good manager caught up in a joke of a situation. Come to VP, Woy. You'll be loved down here.
I thought walking out on a club was the worst crime imaginable. Surely we wouldn't want anyone capable of such a dsatardly act at Villa Park.
Chris, had Martin walked out in June do you honestly think there would be this much consternation?
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I would love Roy Hodgson to walk out on Liverpool over broken promises about the owners selling the club. A really good manager caught up in a joke of a situation. Come to VP, Woy. You'll be loved down here.
Half his squad want to leave, Mascherano, Kuyt, Torres
Come on Woy you know it makes sense
Yes, please come to Villa and repeat your fantastic achievements at Blackburn.
Yeh, you're right. He was shit at Fulham too. He also has no coaching knowledge, or contacts across Europe. He couldn't possibly manage a big club like Villa. After all his time at those minnows Inter Milan is irrelevant. In fact let's just dump him in with Alan Pardew or Curbishley. FFS
He never won anything with Fulham and certainly never finished higher than Villa. Never won anything in an established footballing country. For fucks sake - he's done nothing apart from overachieve with Fulham. He's won considerably less than MON for starters (er...I think - would need to check to confirm that though). Like it'd be some achievement if he was our manager. Bollocks. Being the best on that list is not an achievement. Contacts is one thing, being a very good manager is another. Ruud Gullit had great contacts. Steve McClaren had none because everyone thought he was shit!
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I would love Roy Hodgson to walk out on Liverpool over broken promises about the owners selling the club. A really good manager caught up in a joke of a situation. Come to VP, Woy. You'll be loved down here.
Half his squad want to leave, Mascherano, Kuyt, Torres
Come on Woy you know it makes sense
Yes, please come to Villa and repeat your fantastic achievements at Blackburn.
Yeh, you're right. He was shit at Fulham too. He also has no coaching knowledge, or contacts across Europe. He couldn't possibly manage a big club like Villa. After all his time at those minnows Inter Milan is irrelevant. In fact let's just dump him in with Alan Pardew or Curbishley. FFS
He never won anything with Fulham and certainly never finished higher than Villa. Never won anything in an established footballing country. For fucks sake - he's done nothing apart from overachieve with Fulham. He's won considerably less than MON for starters (er...I think - would need to check to confirm that though). Like it'd be some achievement if he was our manager. Bollocks. Being the best on that list is not an achievement. Contacts is one thing, being a very good manager is another. Ruud Gullit had great contacts. Steve McClaren had none because everyone thought he was shit!
He overachieved at Fulham with a fraction of MON's transfer budget. He didn't get to be manager of Inter or Liverpool because he's bollocks. His teams play very attractive football on top of all of that. I think you're getting a little bit carried away with your nonsense.
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I would love Roy Hodgson to walk out on Liverpool over broken promises about the owners selling the club. A really good manager caught up in a joke of a situation. Come to VP, Woy. You'll be loved down here.
I thought walking out on a club was the worst crime imaginable. Surely we wouldn't want anyone capable of such a dsatardly act at Villa Park.
Chris, had Martin walked out in June do you honestly think there would be this much consternation?
You're advocating uncle Roy walking out in August.
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We could argue til the cows come home about why X would be great and Y would not be, but...........
Am I the only one who feels that this discussion pales in comparison to how Randy and the board decide to proceed?
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I would love Roy Hodgson to walk out on Liverpool over broken promises about the owners selling the club. A really good manager caught up in a joke of a situation. Come to VP, Woy. You'll be loved down here.
I thought walking out on a club was the worst crime imaginable. Surely we wouldn't want anyone capable of such a dsatardly act at Villa Park.
Chris, had Martin walked out in June do you honestly think there would be this much consternation?
You're advocating uncle Roy walking out in August.
I am, but I don't think for a second it would happen.
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Randy won't be at NFL owner meeting as Team President Mike Holmgren will be attending on his behalf.
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I would love Roy Hodgson to walk out on Liverpool over broken promises about the owners selling the club. A really good manager caught up in a joke of a situation. Come to VP, Woy. You'll be loved down here.
I thought walking out on a club was the worst crime imaginable. Surely we wouldn't want anyone capable of such a dsatardly act at Villa Park.
Chris, had Martin walked out in June do you honestly think there would be this much consternation?
You're advocating uncle Roy walking out in August.
Who cares if it is someone else copping the shit, though?
So long as it isn't us, I don't care.
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What will arrive first at Villa park a new Manager or the new kit in the shop?
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New kit I reckon
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Just out of interest, when is the cut of point for stopping blaming MON? When the new manager arrives? January when he can buy his own players? This time next year so he'll have had a full pre-season?
This entire season will be impacted purely by the fact he fucked off when he did.
Long term his squad will also impact on how the team progress too. I can't see how if the likes of DOL and JG's buys were still impacting on Villa and used even now to show how MOn had to clear out so many that the same won't be said about Mon.
After all he did leave behind some highly over paid, very peripheral players. My hope is that the new guy has more nous and can do something useful with them. more useful than paying a huge wage to sit in the stands or occasionally sit on the bench. At least the likes of Davis, McCann, Hughes, Sorensen even Baros, Angel served a purpose even if it was limited, Heskey, Sidwell and others, well
His use of them is one argument, but the players you mentioned would have been starters in the DOL side he inherited. There's a big difference in what you have to work with from a squad that finished 16th from a squad that finished 6th.
But that was not relevant to your question, was it?
The quality of the shit left by Dol, is probably poorer, especially to a Mon fan, than the shit left by Mon. I'm sure Salifou, Sidwell, Shorey, now gone thanks, Heskey perhaps, would have set Dol's team alight.
Hmm well maybe not, but the point is a new manager will still have to deal with what he has and respond accordingly, just as Mon did. I'm sure if one becomes a keen adorer of the new man any problem he has will be blamed on Mon and why not.
plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
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I wasn't talking about the players he left behind.
I was talking about the general chaos (no manager, no time to appoint one before the window closes) he's left in fucking off at such a thoughtless time.
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Well Lerner is in the stands tonight, so clearly doing something Villa related. Off Topic but Lerner can't afford to lose to much more weight, he is starting to luck like Tom Hanks in Philidephia.
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Well Lerner is in the stands tonight, so clearly doing something Villa related. Off Topic but Lerner can't afford to lose to much more weight, he is starting to luck like Tom Hanks in Philidephia.
I thought the same.
Even more off topic, but that look of his with a shirt, tie, jumper and jacket really doesn't work these days.
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Well Lerner is in the stands tonight, so clearly doing something Villa related. Off Topic but Lerner can't afford to lose to much more weight, he is starting to luck like Tom Hanks in Philidephia.
I thought the same.
Even more off topic, but that look of his with a shirt, tie, jumper and jacket really doesn't work these days.
I can tell you from experience paulie that N.America is a year or so behind in the trends dept. I would also say that in Cleveland he is probably ahead of the curve..
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Surprised Marcello Lippi hasn't been mentioned from yesterday's alleged rumour....
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Please interview now. Don't wait until Monday.
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Firstly I must say KM is a great COACH.
But would anyone have taken a loss tonight in exchange for not having KM as manager, and having a proper manager in place?
I would.
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I have a suspicion that a new manager will be announced before the Everton match.
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If there was any lingering doubt that KM should get the job, tonight has answered that question - NO. We need a proven manager not a gamble. Our season is falling apart already, Randy pull one out the bag, quick!!!
If we defend like that on Sun, it's going to be another horror show.
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I have a suspicion that a new manager will be announced before the Everton match.
I bloody hope so.
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If we defend like that on Sun, it's going to be another horror show.
Even Jermaine Beckford might score
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A bloody good manager in the next 24 hours might, might, stop this year being a total catastrophe.
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If there was any lingering doubt that KM should get the job, tonight has answered that question - NO. We need a proven manager not a gamble. Our season is falling apart already, Randy pull one out the bag, quick!!!
If we defend like that on Sun, it's going to be another horror show.
Suspect that no one will disagree that we need a manager asap. I think Randy knows that as much as anyone.
The problem is that due to MON's impeccable timing there are zero obvious candidates. The easy bit is appointing a manager. The difficult part is appointing a good one. You can bet irrespective of who is appointed there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth on this and other villa boards.
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Well Lerner is in the stands tonight, so clearly doing something Villa related. Off Topic but Lerner can't afford to lose to much more weight, he is starting to luck like Tom Hanks in Philidephia.
I thought the same.
Even more off topic, but that look of his with a shirt, tie, jumper and jacket really doesn't work these days.
I can tell you from experience paulie that N.America is a year or so behind in the trends dept. I would also say that in Cleveland he is probably ahead of the curve..
He's a Yew Yoiker now man, get with it, get with it .... and you Lerner, hardly Marc fuckin Jacobs are you ? :-)
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Well, I don't think it will be the next 24 hours, since I think the plan has been for MacDonald.
Dig from Stan post game...
Aston Villa's Stiliyan Petrov: "We had enough chances to win the tie and it's just unacceptable. We worked so hard last season to get into Europe and we blew it today. We need to improve all over the park, we're not doing things right. Everyone who takes a penalty needs to score and I missed one. It's [sic] be nice to know who's going to be manager of the club."
I'm guessing he meant 'it's going to be nice...'.
It's clear the response to O'Neill's resignation has been really poor, worse if they've deliberately run the transfer clock down.
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Well, I don't think it will be the next 24 hours, since I think the plan has been for MacDonald.
Dig from Stan post game...
Aston Villa's Stiliyan Petrov: "We had enough chances to win the tie and it's just unacceptable. We worked so hard last season to get into Europe and we blew it today. We need to improve all over the park, we're not doing things right. Everyone who takes a penalty needs to score and I missed one. It's [sic] be nice to know who's going to be manager of the club."
I'm guessing he meant 'it's going to be nice...'.
It's clear the response to O'Neill's resignation has been really poor, worse if they've deliberately run the transfer clock down.
Sounds like he wants a new manager in and not KM.
I don't think plan was for KM, I just think they can't get anyone suitable in....
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Very frustrated after tonight. MacDonald looks lost on the bench. That little fat chief executive and our mute chairman need to make a decision and their inevitable cost cutting plan of appointing MacDonald looks ridiculous and short sighted. Still wouldn't surprise me tho if they pissed 4 years of steady progress up the wall by giving him the job.
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Lukey27, why wouldn't it suprise you? What have the board done over the last 4 years to merit such distrust?
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Get in Sven now. Available, respected globally and will give us stability and calm.
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Lukey27, why wouldn't it suprise you? What have the board done over the last 4 years to merit such distrust?
I'm probably just frustrated but to hear that MacDonald was the only candidate in the frame even yesterday smacks of either extreme naivety or bizarre cost cutting. Either option doesn't fill me with confidence. Yes O'Neill left but this summer has been very negative and our net spend in the last 12 months is quite average in terms of this league. The next few weeks will be interesting
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I say Sven as well but it won't happen because he would want money to spend and Randy has shut up shop.
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I'm fucking annoyed at tonights result and the mistakes KM made but there appear to be more rumours about Hitzfeld appearing....
http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/08/26/rumour-was-hitzfeld-in-birmingham/?
Keep your fingers crossed this is true. There are few better.
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I would put my life savings down that there won't be a new manager in by tomorrow.
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I'm fucking annoyed at tonights result and the mistakes KM made but there appear to be more rumours about Hitzfeld appearing....
http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/08/26/rumour-was-hitzfeld-in-birmingham/?
Keep your fingers crossed this is true. There are few better.
His nickname is Der General
I wouldn't count on it, would get very confusing at board meetings
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I'm fucking annoyed at tonights result and the mistakes KM made but there appear to be more rumours about Hitzfeld appearing....
http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/08/26/rumour-was-hitzfeld-in-birmingham/?
Keep your fingers crossed this is true. There are few better.
"Hitzfeld was at the match tonight"
Yes, I bet he was, sat in the directors enclosure in the Trinity Road, totally unnoticed by the watching television cameras.
What a load of old cock.
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Well let's see what Faulkner is made of now. We hear how well connected he is in the game and how he has advisors in high places. This is as big a decision as he's had to make so his credibility is on the line. Time will tell.
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Get in Sven now. Available, respected globally and will give us stability and calm.
In the absence of any obvious alternatives I am coming to the conclusion that you are right.
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I would put my life savings down that there won't be a new manager in by tomorrow.
Don't disagree with you. It sounds like bollocks to me too.
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If fucking only, after tonight(which I didn't see but universally has been panned), we need to sort ourselves out. We apparently are an utter shambles.
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Get in Sven now. Available, respected globally and will give us stability and calm.
In the absence of any obvious alternatives I am coming to the conclusion that you are right.
Thirded. If he's the only one available at least he'll stop the rot.
If Kev Mc gets the job the decline could be rapid.
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I'm fucking annoyed at tonights result and the mistakes KM made but there appear to be more rumours about Hitzfeld appearing....
http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/08/26/rumour-was-hitzfeld-in-birmingham/?
Keep your fingers crossed this is true. There are few better.
Down to 6-1 now. Was a 150 to one on Tuesday. Gome dome from 11-1 to 6-1 in last 10 mins
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It's Friday now.................where's the new manager then you got work to do
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I'm fucking annoyed at tonights result and the mistakes KM made but there appear to be more rumours about Hitzfeld appearing....
http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/08/26/rumour-was-hitzfeld-in-birmingham/?
Keep your fingers crossed this is true. There are few better.
And where does tihs come from?
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he's gone as low at 6/1 on the exchanges now...please please!!
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he's gone as low at 6/1 on the exchanges now...please please!!
Sadly probably because over optimistic Villa fans have been putting money on him after some halk-baked ITK. a bit like i did with Mark Hughes grrrrr. We can but hope.
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I'm fucking annoyed at tonights result and the mistakes KM made but there appear to be more rumours about Hitzfeld appearing....
http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/08/26/rumour-was-hitzfeld-in-birmingham/?
I don't know. I'm not the source.
Keep your fingers crossed this is true. There are few better.
And where does tihs come from?
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I've never claimed it was fact.
I pointed at the link.
Not sure if that was what you were getting at or not.
Anyway, spotted you on the the TV tonight.
You weren't bad, a little hesitant at times , understandably of course.
Anyway
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I've never claimed it was fact.
I pointed at the link.
Not sure if that was what you were getting at or not.
Anyway, spotted you on the the TV tonight.
You weren't bad, a little hesitant at times , understandably of course.
Anyway
Gee, thanks. Anyway, I didn't realise you were new to us, so what I was getting at is that site is full of irrelevant nonsense, put out by someone who we suspect has the aim of filling the internet until it bursts.
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I might do some spurious ITK and see what prices I can get changed at the bookies.
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The silence is deafening isn't it
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As we thought Ginger Collins 29 has made up his " i could be liable" "a new manager by friday".Has he shown his face/avatar on Villa Talk? I haven't renewed my season ticket but I want the Villa bug again,a Hitzfeld or a Hiddink would do that for me.How have we got so many injured players at the moment? There was no playing time in the World Cup for Warnock,Luke Young,Dunne and Agbonlahor.
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Did he say which Friday?
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on another thread it says phil brown has just arrived @ villa park with randy
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Did he say which Friday?
I wish it was last Friday.
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on another thread it says phil brown has just arrived @ villa park with randy
Steady or this'll be all over Talk Shite as a done deal in the next hour
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If we appoint Phil Brown, I'm ringing up and asking for a refund on my season ticket. Seriously.
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It was me who posted that, I'm convinced (and also praying) that it's a load of cack. However my friend has been down the bookies to place a bet on it so convinced it he.
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we need the right manager not a quick one,
if it takes another 4/5 weeks to get the right man for Villa it will be worth it.
we are in a mess,
but thats what you get when someone walks out at short notice, the very worst thing to do is appoint someone, anyone just to fill the gap
were in the same situation last season with a bad loss in the league and out of europe, and that was with a manager,
all this stuff about freefall, and laughing stock is just crap, absolute crap, let them get on with finding the best manager, give them time to make the right choice,
and we will be better of for it.
time to trust in Randy, and not lose faith when things look bad
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Phil Brown WAS at Villa Park - I saw and spoke to him by the McGregor statue after
West Ham match - one or two passing fans joked with him about the manager's job
and he smiled back and said he was working for the media (but I don't recall him
being pundit for Tv or radio since he left Hull)
I would be totally underwhelmed if this is the type of manager Mr Lerner would
appoint
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what rhymes with brown yes u got it down
hope this is just bullshit or we are in the brown stuff
keep the faith
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Phil Brown, Phil Fucking Brown, Not even in my worst nightmare.
I hope it's made up. I know it's made up... He's never managed an international side ;-)
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We need a disciplinarian to kick some *ss.
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we are in a mess,
but thats what you get when someone walks out at short notice, the very worst thing to do is appoint someone, anyone just to fill the gap
Spot on. This is the reality. No half decent, currently employed manager is going to leave his post right now, so we can bleat on about the board finding someone asap, but reality is pretty stark
1. Panic and get a stop gap manager in in order to appease the growing discontent
2. Keep Kevin Mc in charge, write off the season, search for the right man and hope to god that by the time we find him we are not playing Championship football.
What worries me is the lack of football men involved at the club right now. We need this decision to be made by a football man and not by a load of hired exec suits and good intentioned Americans.
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Lets face it no one will ever be good enough to appease our supporters - even if it was Jose Morinho or Fergie there would be people on here doubting their credentials.
They've had 3 weeks to interrogate a list of about 5 candidates who are available right now and are up to the job - they won't all want it because lets face it is a thankless task unless you can win the league within three seasons on a modest budget. No one like Hiddink, Jol or Hitzfeld will come here because we are a CV wrecker. Just pick someone who is willing to give it a shot then in 3 years we can go through this whole charade again as the next bloke who fails to live up to the unrealistic expectations of our supporters trapped in 1982 becomes disillusioned and quits.
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Are we a cv wrecker? If oneil hadn't of walked out when he did I wouldn't of said what he'd achieved here would wreck his cv. Yes it's a high profile job. Hodgson hit the nail on the head after the Liverpool match last night. When a club as big as Liverpool (and I put villa in this category) lose it's like a crisis of world war 3 epic proportions.
That's the responsibility you have to deal with when you're managing a top club.
I wouldn't say we're a cv wrecker at all. Demanding HELL YES! but aren't all fans?
Just a shame that Wiki's ottmar hitzfeld page yesterday about him being unveiled as the new villa boss today hasn't turned out to be true.
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Lets face it no one will ever be good enough to appease our supporters - even if it was Jose Morinho or Fergie there would be people on here doubting their credentials.
They've had 3 weeks to interrogate a list of about 5 candidates who are available right now and are up to the job - they won't all want it because lets face it is a thankless task unless you can win the league within three seasons on a modest budget. No one like Hiddink, Jol or Hitzfeld will come here because we are a CV wrecker. Just pick someone who is willing to give it a shot then in 3 years we can go through this whole charade again as the next bloke who fails to live up to the unrealistic expectations of our supporters trapped in 1982 becomes disillusioned and quits.
Not had this for a while. When in doubt blame the supporters.
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according to macdonald, we havent even interviewed anyone yet, so have not "interrogated" anyone in 3 weeks....
that for me, is unnacceptable...
the fact that it appears to be all down to macdonald deciding whether he wants to apply for the job or not, before we even speak to anyone (again, according to macdonald), makes it look whoever we do actually interview, which will be 4 weeks after the manager left, they will be thought of as our second choice...
the whole thing has been an absolute farce... whether that is down to macdonald not saying the right things in the media or not is irrellivent, as it stands, according to macdonald, we will not even be starting interviews until 4 weeks after the o'neill chucked his dollies...
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Just a shame that Wiki's ottmar hitzfeld page yesterday about him being unveiled as the new villa boss today hasn't turned out to be true.
Have faith it's only 3.30!!
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LOL!! I'll stay up way past my bed time tonight just in case.
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Macdonald has just said he expects Villa to appoint a new manager in the next fortnight.Source Sky Sports News 4:12pm
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Lets face it no one will ever be good enough to appease our supporters - even if it was Jose Morinho or Fergie there would be people on here doubting their credentials.
They've had 3 weeks to interrogate a list of about 5 candidates who are available right now and are up to the job - they won't all want it because lets face it is a thankless task unless you can win the league within three seasons on a modest budget. No one like Hiddink, Jol or Hitzfeld will come here because we are a CV wrecker. Just pick someone who is willing to give it a shot then in 3 years we can go through this whole charade again as the next bloke who fails to live up to the unrealistic expectations of our supporters trapped in 1982 becomes disillusioned and quits.
I blame you.
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I blame you.
First Martin ditches, then 6 nil, followed by Vienna and now Walnuts blames me - I'm off to the Bing with Phil Brown 8)
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I blame you.
First Martin ditches, then 6 nil, followed by Vienna and now Walnuts blames me - I'm off to the Bing with Phil Brown 8)
don't let him touch your tits
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I blame you.
First Martin ditches, then 6 nil, followed by Vienna and now Walnuts blames me - I'm off to the Bing with Phil Brown 8)
don't let him touch your tits
Oh you noticed them? the sooner that new away kit comes out the better.
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How have we got so many injured players at the moment? There was no playing time in the World Cup for Warnock,Luke Young,Dunne and Agbonlahor.
Quite normal for these overpaid footballers to disappear when the going gets tough.
Remember Sir GT couldnt get players to turn up for England when it got sticky, Andy Gray's oft used groin strain as well.
Would rather we went with the youngsters now on ....at least they have some hunger
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#when Brown gets lined up you know its time for RL to call a halt and do something
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#when Brown gets lined up you know its time for RL to call a halt and do something
I'm pretty sure that if he being "lined up" then it would be Lerner doing the lining.
Fortunately, it's quite obviously nonsense. There's as much chance of Phil Brown being our next manager as there is of me being our next manager.
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#when Brown gets lined up you know its time for RL to call a halt and do something
I'm pretty sure that if he being "lined up" then it would be Lerner doing the lining.
Fortunately, it's quite obviously nonsense. There's as much chance of Phil Brown being our next manager as there is of me being our next manager.
You been interviewed too then ?
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#when Brown gets lined up you know its time for RL to call a halt and do something
I'm pretty sure that if he being "lined up" then it would be Lerner doing the lining.
Fortunately, it's quite obviously nonsense. There's as much chance of Phil Brown being our next manager as there is of me being our next manager.
You been interviewed too then ?
Nope. But nor has Phil Brown. Neither has Steve Staunton. Neither has Moira Stuart. Neither has the Honey Monster.
There are lots of us in the same boat.
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Interesting you mention the Honey Monster. He has more footballing credentials than some candidates mentioned...
Anyone remember the quiz question 'who has scored for Newcastle and saved a pen for Manchester United?' or something like that anyway!?
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If the competition is so bad then why do all the teams enter it. They could always finish 9th and not bother. It's a eurp cup and one of the very few trophies on offer.
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LOL this looks increasingly likely, what a waste of time that was!
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Somebody looks a right twat then.
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Another internet warrior exclusive bites the bullshit dust. Can we lock/delete/merge this thread with the replacement thread now the crap we knew was crap is clearly crap!
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Another internet warrior exclusive bites the bullshit dust. Can we lock/delete/merge this thread with the replacement thread now the crap we knew was crap is clearly crap!
Good plan. A lock at midnight just to give it a final chance (larfpalm).
A merge wouldn't really work as it would mess up the continuity of both threads.
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Almost 9 pm.
3 hours to go ::)
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Surely any potential manager would discuss his new position at the Belfry? Seems the logical place with the training ground so near.Anyone having a drink/meal at the Belfry tonight?
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Almost 9 pm.
3 hours to go ::)
Wine being drunk in pre celebration mode. Actually its just the usual Friday wine.
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Almost 9 pm.
3 hours to go ::)
Wine being drunk in pre celebration mode. Actually its just the usual Friday wine.
Like Christmas Eve isn't it !
I bet the new Manager is already in a 'motivate the troops' meeting.
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Almost 9 pm.
3 hours to go ::)
Wine being drunk in pre celebration mode. Actually its just the usual Friday wine.
Like Christmas Eve isn't it !
I bet the new Manager is already in a 'motivate the troops' meeting.
The new Manager is The General!!! Blimey.
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It's now Friday evening. Have we got a new manager yet?
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This is like the transfer deadline.
Ask Sky Sports news to put one their counting down clocks on it to the midnight hour.
I predict that two hours from now at 11.55pm Martin ONeill will take the job.
He will then resign at 3.55pm this Sunday.
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*facepukecan'twatchtil2011*
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Almost 9 pm.
3 hours to go ::)
Wine being drunk in pre celebration mode. Actually its just the usual Friday wine.
Like Christmas Eve isn't it !
I bet the new Manager is already in a 'motivate the troops' meeting.
The new Manager is The General!!! Blimey.
Krulak Krulak give us a wave...........
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Almost 9 pm.
3 hours to go ::)
Wine being drunk in pre celebration mode. Actually its just the usual Friday wine.
Like Christmas Eve isn't it !
I bet the new Manager is already in a 'motivate the troops' meeting.
The new Manager is The General!!! Blimey.
Krulak Krulak give us a wave...........
I thought it was only in US sports that they had a General Manager?
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So the usual bollocks then:
Anyone read this post by GingerCollins29 on VillaTalk?
"Mr. Lerner prefers to be discreet with these things, which is why there has not been a sniff.
Unfortunately if I mention a name, then I will be liable. However the new manager has managed at International Level before, and one of his targets has played under him. I maintain still that the manager will be revealed within the media on Thursday, with an official press conference on Friday. There are 3 main transfer targets, a defender, a midfielder (this is the player that has worked under the new manager), and a striker. Deals for the midfielder and the striker will be completed prior to the Everton game, whereas there has been a delay on the defender deal due to wages. Unfortunately I cannot confirm when this player will join."
http://www.villatalk.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=63816&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75
Interesting or bullshit?
Bullshit.
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Slow down Legion. Another 1 hour and 23 minutes before Ginger Villatalk is proven wrong. And statistically most Managers are annouced drunk on Fridays night, oh hang on. Bullshit it is.
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If General Krulac has been appointed it would explain his no show on his question thread recently ?
Or maybe he has 'done an O'Neill'
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He's in a board meeting in Housten.
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Well, apologies to all. I started this thread - even though it looked bullshit it had enough detail to tempt my interest. Sorry for wasting time. Really disappointed. :-[
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Ronald Koeman: I'll Bring Back Aston Villa's Glory Days.
Just read that on the Sunday/Daily express website.
Interesting....
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I have it on good authority that interviews will be taking place early next week. You heard it here second.
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If we were interested in a manager currently at another club (or country) would we have to make a formal approach to get permission before speaking to him? And if so, is that something that would be public knowledge?
This round of interviews that may or may not be happening next week tends to suggest that it will candidates who are currently unemployed.
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Ronald Koeman: I'll Bring Back Aston Villa's Glory Days.
Just read that on the Sunday/Daily express website.
Interesting....
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/196023/Ronald-Koeman-I-ll-bring-back-Aston-Villa-s-glory-days
A bit like Bradey I don't have a strong opinion for or against. He's won some stuff and not been so great in other positions. Still, he has some pedigree, and will have a number of contacts in Europe. If it was him expect some forays into the European transfer market which will be nice change.
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His management record is not that great. Can't see him improving it at Villa. Avoid.
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His management record is not that great. Can't see him improving it at Villa. Avoid.
You have some first hand knowledge of him from his time in Portugal off course. Sometimes managers learn from their errors so I'm willing to people a chance. But for me he'd be an adequate hire, not a top hire like you and I are discussing on the other thread.
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Yeah koeman seems to have a great start with his clubs but soon after his teams seem to decline and struggle. Dunno about this one.
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Koeman certainly seems to be making the right noises about this job, and he's better qualified than most of the managers who are out of work. I only really know of his time at Valencia when they were in an absolute shambles, but it seemed like he was on a hiding to nothing there due to their mental owner. He still managed to win the Copa del Rey and get them into Europe somehow.
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I think this can be kept in the other thread now that Friday has been and gone.