Wake me up when it's over

[passport1]

I recall thinking when this draw was made that it would develop into a shit show.  Sadly this thread more or less confirms it.

Personally I would close it before we permit this poster to drag us any further into his playground.

[cdbearsfan]

As an aside, you absolutely should be complaining if you're getting abuse or death threats on "socials". That shit's not on. Doubt that prick Elon will do anything about it but you never know.

[Legion]

One more time. Find me the posts.

Where has anyone said a Jewish Villa Supporters' Club shouldn't exist?

No whataboutery.

Someone earlier did say they’re not sure why religious supporters clubs exist, but I broadly agree with that anyway.

And to clarify, it’s people saying we do not exist and it’s all a Zionist conspiracy (could find you dozens of tweets resulting in mad abuse on socials) rather than do not have the right to exist (legitimate argument).

I try and write precisely and carefully, and would be gratified if people stopped setting up straw men arguments based on things I didn’t say.

Do you possess a brain? What content that has been posted on Twitter (now known as X, by the way) got to do with what has been posted on here?

[Legion]

What people write on Twitter has nothing to do with us, so stop using that as an excuse to be a twat on here.

This.

[Legion]

Mad how all the people of different beliefs and no belief have all come together at the same time and decided to hate Jews.

You really think this forum is full of antisemites, or have you ever considered that you might be wrong rather than everyone else?

A serious answer to that statement might be yes - has happened quite a few times in different places throughout history, but ok.

On the second point, I’ve never said it is, and never would. I’m just astonished how angry everyone is at the idea of a Jewish supporters group existing.

Where has anyone said they are?

This thread is now 8 pages, essentially flourishing once I made some corrections about the Jewish Villans to Dave’s original piece.
Have had loads of abuse and death threats on socials (not complaining - just giving examples at the rage.)
Have had Owen Jones RTing a lengthy tweet questioning our legitimacy. 

You came on here to put your side of the argument, as is your right. You were asked some questions. Some you answered, some you didn't. But - and this is the main point - before your arrival nobody had said a bad word on this thread about the Jewish supporters club. Nobody had mentioned you personally. Then you began hurling insults in all directions - mentally ill, anti-semitic, conspiracies and a load of stuff about me, which I hope readers have realised I treated with the contempt it deserved. Why you chose to go down that road I have no idea, but please don't return to play the victim. I don't dislike your supporters club, they don't anger me and I don't deny their right to existence. I would hope everyone else on here feels the same and I'm confident they do. You've been given a lot more leeway than many posters who have been banned for less than you, so don't abuse the privilege.

Also this.

[eliotpollak]

Mad how all the people of different beliefs and no belief have all come together at the same time and decided to hate Jews.

You really think this forum is full of antisemites, or have you ever considered that you might be wrong rather than everyone else?

A serious answer to that statement might be yes - has happened quite a few times in different places throughout history, but ok.

On the second point, I’ve never said it is, and never would. I’m just astonished how angry everyone is at the idea of a Jewish supporters group existing.

Where has anyone said they are?

This thread is now 8 pages, essentially flourishing once I made some corrections about the Jewish Villans to Dave’s original piece.
Have had loads of abuse and death threats on socials (not complaining - just giving examples at the rage.)
Have had Owen Jones RTing a lengthy tweet questioning our legitimacy. 

You came on here to put your side of the argument, as is your right. You were asked some questions. Some you answered, some you didn't. But - and this is the main point - before your arrival nobody had said a bad word on this thread about the Jewish supporters club. Nobody had mentioned you personally. Then you began hurling insults in all directions - mentally ill, anti-semitic, conspiracies and a load of stuff about me, which I hope readers have realised I treated with the contempt it deserved. Why you chose to go down that road I have no idea, but please don't return to play the victim. I don't dislike your supporters club, they don't anger me and I don't deny their right to existence. I would hope everyone else on here feels the same and I'm confident they do. You've been given a lot more leeway than many posters who have been banned for less than you, so don't abuse the privilege.

You know fully well you have been spoon feeding one of the main rabble-rousers on Twitter, who informed everyone his forensic investigation,
‘supports the conclusion that the group's leadership is strategically positioned to engage in geopolitical lobbying.’
Now if you can’t see the problem with that sentence referring to a Jewish group in particular, I can lend you a Key Stage 1 history book.

So dont play the victim. It’s an outrageous, bonkers thing to write.

[dave.woodhall]

I don't know much about anyone on Twitter; I'm hardly ever on there and I haven't got a clue who you're talking about. What I do know is that you came on here and after a cursory attempt at putting over your own views, you've done little but fire off abuse in all directions. It's all very odd.

[AV82EC]

Mad how all the people of different beliefs and no belief have all come together at the same time and decided to hate Jews.

You really think this forum is full of antisemites, or have you ever considered that you might be wrong rather than everyone else?

A serious answer to that statement might be yes - has happened quite a few times in different places throughout history, but ok.

On the second point, I’ve never said it is, and never would. I’m just astonished how angry everyone is at the idea of a Jewish supporters group existing.

Where has anyone said they are?

This thread is now 8 pages, essentially flourishing once I made some corrections about the Jewish Villans to Dave’s original piece.
Have had loads of abuse and death threats on socials (not complaining - just giving examples at the rage.)
Have had Owen Jones RTing a lengthy tweet questioning our legitimacy. 

You came on here to put your side of the argument, as is your right. You were asked some questions. Some you answered, some you didn't. But - and this is the main point - before your arrival nobody had said a bad word on this thread about the Jewish supporters club. Nobody had mentioned you personally. Then you began hurling insults in all directions - mentally ill, anti-semitic, conspiracies and a load of stuff about me, which I hope readers have realised I treated with the contempt it deserved. Why you chose to go down that road I have no idea, but please don't return to play the victim. I don't dislike your supporters club, they don't anger me and I don't deny their right to existence. I would hope everyone else on here feels the same and I'm confident they do. You've been given a lot more leeway than many posters who have been banned for less than you, so don't abuse the privilege.

You know fully well you have been spoon feeding one of the main rabble-rousers on Twitter, who informed everyone his forensic investigation,
‘supports the conclusion that the group's leadership is strategically positioned to engage in geopolitical lobbying.’
Now if you can’t see the problem with that sentence referring to a Jewish group in particular, I can lend you a Key Stage 1 history book.

So dont play the victim. It’s an outrageous, bonkers thing to write.

You’re so engrossed in your own paranoia you’re starting to sound quite frankly deranged. Quite what rabble rousers on Twitter have got to do with a bunch of predominantly Boomer/Gen Xers posting on an obscure Football internet forum I don’t know.

[eliotpollak]

I don't know much about anyone on Twitter; I'm hardly ever on there and I haven't got a clue who you're talking about. What I do know is that you came on here and after a cursory attempt at putting over your own views, you've done little but fire off abuse in all directions. It's all very odd.

In your first response to me, you mention information that you could only have got from Ian or from Twitter?

[dave.woodhall]

I don't know much about anyone on Twitter; I'm hardly ever on there and I haven't got a clue who you're talking about. What I do know is that you came on here and after a cursory attempt at putting over your own views, you've done little but fire off abuse in all directions. It's all very odd.

In your first response to me, you mention information that you could only have got from Ian or from Twitter?

Would that be the Ian you also acccused of mental illness and threatened to sue?

[eliotpollak]

I don't know much about anyone on Twitter; I'm hardly ever on there and I haven't got a clue who you're talking about. What I do know is that you came on here and after a cursory attempt at putting over your own views, you've done little but fire off abuse in all directions. It's all very odd.

In your first response to me, you mention information that you could only have got from Ian or from Twitter?

Would that be the Ian you also acccused of mental illness and threatened to sue?

I’ve just double checked our entire exchange. At no point do I do either of those.

[dave.woodhall]

Ian says different. You really are unlucky with the number of people who tell lies about you.

[eliotpollak]

Ian says different. You really are unlucky with the number of people who tell lies about you.

Ian also says  ‘the evidence points to the use of a newly formed, non-democratically accountable supporters' group as a rhetorical vessel’

So not sure about him really

[dave.woodhall]

Have you really not got anything better to do than pick fights on the internet?

[eliotpollak]

Have you really not got anything better to do than pick fights on the internet?

It’s definitely better than spending hours investigating the veracity of a supporters group, and then telling all and sundry they’ve been created solely, “to provide cover and a legitimate platform for individuals whose primary expertise and professional history are rooted in international political advocacy, allowing them to shape the narrative around a domestic football issue.”
But yes. I don’t enjoy people lying about us online. I didn’t pick a fight. I politely posted 3 corrections to your blog, none of which can be disputed, none of which have been added or edited in subsequently. So I think we can feel legitimately aggrieved. Basic human decency - make a mistake. Apologise. Correct. Move on. End of our discussion.
Alternatively, make a mistake. Ignore the corrections. Begin aggressive questioning.