Wake me up when it's over

[dave.woodhall]

Have a guess what this one's about.

https://heroesandvillains.info/2025/10/21/wake-me-up-when-its-over/

Jewish Villans weren’t against the ban, we supported it. We haven’t suddenly popped up, but are now in our second season. And Andrew Fox is a lifelong Villa fan who did a bungee jump from the Holte last year with the Villa Foundation.
Appreciate we live in an age where ignorance of a topic is no barrier to writing authoritatively about it.

Nice to see you back after all these years. Perhaps you can answer a few questions:

You claim to be connected to the FSA. The FSA say you aren't. Which is true?
How does the presence of Andrew Fox, a regular supporter of attacks on civilians, square with your Fans for Diversity claims?
Why is there no mention of you as a supporters club on the Villa website?
How can you be contacted or attract members given your seeming lack of any online or other presence?
Why do you call people disagreeing with you mentally ill and threaten to sue them?
Do you accept that many people are against the match taking place in it's original form, ie with a full away allocation, and are in no way antisemitic?
Do you welcome the support you received from Tommy Robinson?

[eliotpollak]

Have a guess what this one's about.

https://heroesandvillains.info/2025/10/21/wake-me-up-when-its-over/

Jewish Villans weren’t against the ban, we supported it. We haven’t suddenly popped up, but are now in our second season. And Andrew Fox is a lifelong Villa fan who did a bungee jump from the Holte last year with the Villa Foundation.
Appreciate we live in an age where ignorance of a topic is no barrier to writing authoritatively about it.

Nice to see you back after all these years. Perhaps you can answer a few questions:

You claim to be connected to the FSA. The FSA say you aren't. Which is true?
How does the presence of Andrew Fox, a regular supporter of attacks on civilians, square with your Fans for Diversity claims?
Why is there no mention of you as a supporters club on the Villa website?
How can you be contacted or attract members given your seeming lack of any online or other presence?
Why do you call people disagreeing with you mentally ill and threaten to sue them?
Do you accept that many people are against the match taking place in it's original form, ie with a full away allocation, and are in no way antisemitic?
Do you welcome the support you received from Tommy Robinson?

In order
FSA - Ask them. Call Kevin. Maybe don’t believe the left equivalents of Tommy Robinson online.
Fox - I’ve never seen him express support for attacking civilians. Any examples or is this also something someone told you.
Publicity - Yes. Really baffling that one. Given all the death threats we’ve had this week, it’s a shame our details aren’t more public.
So the answer is it’s the same reason my kids school details aren’t public. Or our synagogue. Because of security - you know mobs whipped up by the very people you are now empowering by repeating their horseshit.
Contacted - I’m here. Go ahead.
We are suing countless people who have tweeted incorrect information about the group. That’s not disagreeing - that’s repeating falsehoods and smearing us as liars. We all have livelihoods etc - it’s damaging so we’ve had to engage lawyers. As I’m sure you would if people called you a liar online, which was then RTd by anti-Semites with 1m+ followers. And yes - anyone who spends their weekends analysing our existence is mentally ill. The illness is called anti-semitism.
If you had paid attention, even just to my above post, you would recognise we supported the ban on away fans, and I have reiterated that in every media hit I did last week.
I don’t recall Tommy Robinson supporting Jewish Villans so not sure what that refers to.

5 mistakes in your post.

[cdbearsfan]

The information Dave provided about Fox was widely available online. However, if this Andrew Fox is in the organisation mentioned, it doesn't reflect very well on said group. What are the criteria for kicking him out? Cheerleading genocide not enough? He also supported the Qatari bombing and has said Israel should kill more journalists.

Who was it who thought it would be a good idea to let him become de facto spokesman? Will you be removing him from the organisation or do you endorse his extreme views?

[dave.woodhall]

The FSA have specifically said you are not connected with them. Are they lying?

https://x.com/DrStrangetwit/status/1980740232191635886

https://x.com/CeilNoyle/status/1979294081416368525

Just a couple of the comments apparently made by Andrew Fox. Does everyone who posts such messages make them up, or have some sort of agenda?

As for publicity, a very quick online search led me to Jewish supporters clubs for several teams, Chelsea and Arsenal for example. They don't seem to have a problem being visible online.

Given your secrecy, though, how were you "inundated" with messages from Villa supporters offering to give up their seats for the match and how do you stand on this seeming breach of ground regulations?

Equally, should someone wish to join your club how would they go about it?

If you're suing everyone who lied about you, will that include the FSA? After all, their denial of your connection with them seems to have inspired much of this debate.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying now that everyone who disagrees with your stance, including several posters on here, are antisemitic and therefore mentally ill?

If you agreed with the ban then that's fair enough. I apologise and withdraw the claim.

Now, to put it more clearly - would you welcome Tommy Robinson's support for Maccabi?

[Somniloquism]

Have a guess what this one's about.

https://heroesandvillains.info/2025/10/21/wake-me-up-when-its-over/

Jewish Villans weren’t against the ban, we supported it. We haven’t suddenly popped up, but are now in our second season. And Andrew Fox is a lifelong Villa fan who did a bungee jump from the Holte last year with the Villa Foundation.
Appreciate we live in an age where ignorance of a topic is no barrier to writing authoritatively about it.

Funny way of supporting the ban when the statement was about how the club had submitted to nazism and then your "president" went on every news channel that invited him on to remonstrate about it.

[SamTheMouse]

That article is pretty much a perfect summation of the whole shitshow.

[eliotpollak]

The information Dave provided about Fox was widely available online. However, if this Andrew Fox is in the organisation mentioned, it doesn't reflect very well on said group. What are the criteria for kicking him out? Cheerleading genocide not enough? He also supported the Qatari bombing and has said Israel should kill more journalists.

Who was it who thought it would be a good idea to let him become de facto spokesman? Will you be removing him from the organisation or do you endorse his extreme views?

Will do this one at a time if that’s ok. I can’t engage with anyone who uses the word genocide in this context. It’s literally against the definition of anti-semitism that is the law of the land. So no - I won’t answer when I stopped beating my wife.
You can try and rephrase and I’m happy to reply.

[cdbearsfan]

I don't want to rephrase. I know what genocide means, I know that's what has happened. If you want to engage in genocide-denial I've no wish to chat to you anymore.

[eliotpollak]

The FSA have specifically said you are not connected with them. Are they lying?

https://x.com/DrStrangetwit/status/1980740232191635886

https://x.com/CeilNoyle/status/1979294081416368525

Just a couple of the comments apparently made by Andrew Fox. Does everyone who posts such messages make them up, or have some sort of agenda?

As for publicity, a very quick online search led me to Jewish supporters clubs for several teams, Chelsea and Arsenal for example. They don't seem to have a problem being visible online.

Given your secrecy, though, how were you "inundated" with messages from Villa supporters offering to give up their seats for the match and how do you stand on this seeming breach of ground regulations?

Equally, should someone wish to join your club how would they go about it?

If you're suing everyone who lied about you, will that include the FSA? After all, their denial of your connection with them seems to have inspired much of this debate.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying now that everyone who disagrees with your stance, including several posters on here, are antisemitic and therefore mentally ill?

If you agreed with the ban then that's fair enough. I apologise and withdraw the claim.

Now, to put it more clearly - would you welcome Tommy Robinson's support for Maccabi?

I think something that might help lubricate this discussion a bit is if I explain that the people you quote online are the left equivalents of Tommy Robinson. Propagandists spreading lies, only interested in pumping hate and extremism into the atmosphere. So I’m not interested in them, in the same way I’m not interested in Robinson (to answer your final question.)

But again, in order.

The FSA are not lying. Perhaps your propagandists are. Have you called Kevin Miles? Have you questioned Mr Spedding? Again - why do you accept what these anti-Semites say as if it’s the Doomsday Book. General rule - people whose twitter feed is purely one sided and extreme, are probably not worth relying on.
This particular issue of the FSA is currently with lawyers - suffice to say, if these clowns were correct, it wouldn’t be. And we have been in touch with the FSA every step of the way.

No problem with any of the posts you present. Look at the posts themselves perhaps rather than screenshots, which I agree could be seen problematically.

And if any of you seriously don’t think there’s something weird about the return of the inquisition for a fans group that has been recognised by the club in the past, a group who at no point have criticised the club or the police decision, I have some golden beans to sell you.

London is different from Birmingham. If MTA had drawn Chelsea or Arsenal, do you seriously think any of this would be going on. And again, step back a second. How many clubs are in the league. How many Jewish clubs have an online presence. Which mean how many don’t.

I’m on other Villa forums, go to games so know people, lots of follow ups from the Talksport interview etc. I have a young daughter whose existence is purely actualised if it appears online. Didn’t realise grown ups have the same thing going on.

If they wish to join, just message me or any of our other members.

FSA I think I covered already. Absolutely not suing them - they’ve been fantastically supportive.
We aren’t suing everyone - only those with significant followings online.

Not sure which stance you’re referring to. But as per the above paragraph, the mere presence of Jews voicing a (not very controverisal) opinion seems to have riled a lot of people. Likewise a Jewish supporters group existing. Strange that.

Tommy Robinson also dealt with above. No time for him or his equivalents sat next to him on the horseshoe of British politics.

[eliotpollak]

I don't want to rephrase. I know what genocide means, I know that's what has happened. If you want to engage in genocide-denial I've no wish to chat to you anymore.

Cute

[eliotpollak]

Have a guess what this one's about.

https://heroesandvillains.info/2025/10/21/wake-me-up-when-its-over/

Jewish Villans weren’t against the ban, we supported it. We haven’t suddenly popped up, but are now in our second season. And Andrew Fox is a lifelong Villa fan who did a bungee jump from the Holte last year with the Villa Foundation.
Appreciate we live in an age where ignorance of a topic is no barrier to writing authoritatively about it.

Funny way of supporting the ban when the statement was about how the club had submitted to nazism and then your "president" went on every news channel that invited him on to remonstrate about it.

We support the ban but find it highly regrettable. It’s necessary, but shameful particularly for the city. It’s a nuanced position. I apologise for bringing subtlety into such a simple argument.

[Dave]

General rule - people whose twitter feed is purely one sided and extreme, are probably not worth relying on.

Would you include Andrew Fox in that description? As the look that I took at it when he started appearing, didn't seem all that "both-sidesey" to me.

[Somniloquism]

General rule - people whose twitter feed is purely one sided and extreme, are probably not worth relying on.

Would you include Andrew Fox in that description? As the look that I took at it when he started appearing, didn't seem all that "both-sidesey" to me.

I did think that was a massive own goal when he posted it.

[eliotpollak]

General rule - people whose twitter feed is purely one sided and extreme, are probably not worth relying on.

Would you include Andrew Fox in that description? As the look that I took at it when he started appearing, didn't seem all that "both-sidesey" to me.

He’s criticised the Israeli govt and their war aims repeatedly through the conflict. Just read his substack.

Not an own goal - I knew exactly what I was writing.

[Somniloquism]

Have a guess what this one's about.

https://heroesandvillains.info/2025/10/21/wake-me-up-when-its-over/

Jewish Villans weren’t against the ban, we supported it. We haven’t suddenly popped up, but are now in our second season. And Andrew Fox is a lifelong Villa fan who did a bungee jump from the Holte last year with the Villa Foundation.
Appreciate we live in an age where ignorance of a topic is no barrier to writing authoritatively about it.

Funny way of supporting the ban when the statement was about how the club had submitted to nazism and then your "president" went on every news channel that invited him on to remonstrate about it.

We support the ban but find it highly regrettable. It’s necessary, but shameful particularly for the city. It’s a nuanced position. I apologise for bringing subtlety into such a simple argument.

So I take you are going with it is neccessay to protect the Jews from locals, hence the shame, and not it is neccesary to protect the locals from the same thing that MTA fans did in Greece and Amsterdam?