Aston Villa v Palace Post-Match Thread

[villa for life]

Once I saw Torres in the line up, I didn’t have much hope. Playing him basically means you are likely to concede at least once. Maybe he’s just not suited to the premier league.

Is it too old fashioned to judge strikers on how many they score and defenders on how many they keep out?

My thoughts exactly

Well he’s played in 49 Premier League games, won 26, drawn 11, lost 12. So he probably can manage.

Those aren’t actually great stats.

How many did villa concede in those games?

Forfteen Percent of people know stats can prove or disprove anything (and I work in stats).   For me - the issue is that with what we've seen since Unai has come in - very few fans would have seen that line up and been pleased taht Pau was in over Ty.  It was the wrong call. 

Not sure how much truth there is to that. There might be something to it of late and for this specific game, but that doesn’t equate to Pau being a bad player or more important us not functioning as a team with him in it.

We just concede a lot with Pau. That makes everything much harder.

[AV82EC]

Rogers was also dreadful, but looks knackered. He has needed to be rotated for the last few weeks them he may have been sharper today.

I think many of us have been saying the same. He’s been giving away and losing the ball a lot in the last few weeks. Come on Unai give the lad a break.

[Beard82]

Once I saw Torres in the line up, I didn’t have much hope. Playing him basically means you are likely to concede at least once. Maybe he’s just not suited to the premier league.

Is it too old fashioned to judge strikers on how many they score and defenders on how many they keep out?

My thoughts exactly

Well he’s played in 49 Premier League games, won 26, drawn 11, lost 12. So he probably can manage.

Those aren’t actually great stats.

How many did villa concede in those games?

Forfteen Percent of people know stats can prove or disprove anything (and I work in stats).   For me - the issue is that with what we've seen since Unai has come in - very few fans would have seen that line up and been pleased taht Pau was in over Ty.  It was the wrong call. 

Not sure how much truth there is to that. There might be something to it of late and for this specific game, but that doesn’t equate to Pau being a bad player or more important us not functioning as a team with him in it.

But my point is excatly that - for this specific game today Mings was the right LCB.  thats not saying one is better then the other - just that I think Mings would have been more suited to todays game - and to be fair nothing today suggested otherwise.   

My view is there both good players - and if they were combined into one they would be world class - but as there not we need to pick them based on there strengths and today the call was wrong. 

Just as I was pleased to see Pau start against PSG and Man City - I was disapointed to see him start today and he made a mistake for the first goal, and our defense looked off all game.

[olaftab]

They’re not that bad that’s better than a win every other game. I don’t know, but I think the point is he can clearly be part of a strong Premier League team.

Lot of misguided and unfair comments are being made about Pau. Some people have an agenda so......

[villa for life]

People been mentioning how pissed off Watkins has been, but Mings has been overlooked for some massive games. I wonder how he’s feeling…

The last four games have been huge and the only one we won was against Newcastle. Guess what? Mings played in that one and that one alone.

 Pau played in the other three we lost.

[ChicagoLion]

If Pau is not picking passes and helping us set up attacking moves then he is completely pointless.

[villa for life]

If Pau is not picking passes and helping us set up attacking moves then he is completely pointless.

Maybe he can play further forward?

[AV82EC]

I love Pau but he shouldn’t have been in that game today. It has to be said though that they had Mateta playing on Konsa who had an absolute mare against him imv. However both of them were gash.

[olaftab]

The last four games have been huge and the only one we won was against Newcastle. Guess what? Mings played in that one and that one alone.
 Pau played in the other three we lost.

We won two but that's neither here nor there.

[ChicagoLion]

If Pau is not picking passes and helping us set up attacking moves then he is completely pointless.

Maybe he can play further forward?

I am pretty sure there is a reason why he doesn’t.
I do think he would be a decent libero though.

[villa for life]

The last four games have been huge and the only one we won was against Newcastle. Guess what? Mings played in that one and that one alone.
 Pau played in the other three we lost.

We won two but that's neither here nor there.

Ok technically won but lost the tie. In the game we “won” we conceded how many?

[andyh]

Just got back.
Disgusted.

The only comfort is that we got well and truly batttered. It not like we lost out in a close game and we missed chances or were unlucky.
We were fucking abject.


A few things.
Torres. As I have said many, many times he is poor defensively. The myth of his brilliance because he can pass a ball, has and truly been busted.
Rogers on the right ? Why ?
Unai’s approach and tactics were shot to shit. Tippy, tippy, sideways and backwards is fucking wank, and when it’s not working, why not fucking change it ??

60% of that shite is on Unai. The rest is on the team.


Palace were miles better in all aspects.
Their fans were brilliant, their flags were better, their banners were better.

I know we had fuck all to cheer, but the Villa fans were very, very subdued.

All in all. A shit day.

[Meanwood Villa]

Rogers was also dreadful, but looks knackered. He has needed to be rotated for the last few weeks them he may have been sharper today.

I think many of us have been saying the same. He’s been giving away and losing the ball a lot in the last few weeks. Come on Unai give the lad a break.

He's played that badly more often than not for the past few months imo. Emery never gives him a rest, which probably doesn't help.

[Meanwood Villa]

Pau was a large part of why we were so good first half of last season but I don't think it's controversial to say he's been crap since he came back from his most recent injury and shouldn't have started today.

[PaulWinch again]

It’s funny though Pau has a higher tackle success rate of his Premier League career than Ty - I’ve no idea what that means, but it sounds like a defensive stat.