Aston Villa v Palace Post-Match Thread

[brontebilly]

Out of interest, across those games is the only difference Mings or Torres playing?

Of course not, but if you're discounting data that conclusive then all statistical analysis involving variables needs to be ruled void.

No, but we also know that Carlos/Pau with Konsa at RB was better than Konsa/Pau with Cash at RB.

Yes, precisely. Stats like that can be misleading, because there’s a whole host of variables. I don’t doubt Mings is a more dominant defender, I just don’t think it translates into Torres being a waste of space. I think in form and in the right combination they’re both proven to have been very valuable players.

Stats can prove a lot of things and nothing. See above, Diego Carlos 🚨

Please use stats to prove that Konsa/Pau with Cash at right-back was a better defence than Carlos/Pau with Konsa at right-back.

I’ll wait.

We qualified for CL football with the former as our regular defence. Diego Carlos was in the main awful (yes but Haaland/Arsenal etc) and deservedly sold. Your loyalty towards him is quite something. Days like Ipswich convinced Emery that Konsa at RB wasn't going to work and I suspect the final straw for Carlos. Car crash at Spurs and Liverpool afterwards from the pair of them. Emery wanted Carlos gone so much we sold him and had to play Kamara CB for a few games. Why was that? When was the last time Konsa was played RB in the PL? Even after Disasi came in, has he played there even once?

The only debate worth having is why as a team we have dropped off maybe ~6 points from last season over 38 games and how we address it next season. It's a bit more nuanced than your selective stats.

[PaulWinch again]

Ty should have started today in my view due to the profile of their team. But I don’t think it changes the result, the whole set up and approach was wrong. So those trying to essentially pin it back to that specific decision I think are wrong.

[Beard82]

I think we have established ourself as a top 8 team in Engalnd - and will have Europe for the 3rd season.  Heavy investment and a world class coach means its a club to be at.  We may have some that move up the chain - and we will be need due to FFP.  But I think only the ones that make sense.  To be fair the big outgoings have been Dougie (contract running down), Diaby and JD (didnt really settle)

To be honest since Jan I have been way less worried about the future.  Unai and his team reconginsed the mistakes they made with last summer's recruuitment and put it right.  Personally I think they have taken a while to fully understand the physical nature of the PL - but have worked that out now with Rogers, the new RB, Malen etc.

I have no doubt they have learnt from that and that whatever they do next will make us better. 

[villa for life]

It’s funny though Pau has a higher tackle success rate of his Premier League career than Ty - I’ve no idea what that means, but it sounds like a defensive stat.

It may actually mean Pau doesn’t tackle a lot, a bit like when Duran had the highest goals per min rate.

[andyh]

That was as bad as the 4-0 thrashing by Arsenal 10 years ago!

It really wasn’t

[PeterWithesShin]

We kept up our long tradition of fighting with each other in the stands when it goes tits up.

[Skerra]

Shame that Emery is a perennial trophy winner but just can’t seem to do it for us.
We had the luck of the draw in the CL, with playing all the 4 stronger teams at home, then playing the second legs at home in the knock out stages.
The FA cup draw couldn’t have been much more obliging for us.
I suggest Unai takes a good look at trying to win the easiest of the cups next season, in the form of the League Cup. Just any trophy would be really nice.

[Nev]

That was as bad as the 4-0 thrashing by Arsenal 10 years ago!

It really wasn’t

We didn't turn up for both and I'm struggling to see the difference.....

[AV82EC]

That was as bad as the 4-0 thrashing by Arsenal 10 years ago!

It really wasn’t

It was worse.

[Beard82]

They’re not that bad that’s better than a win every other game. I don’t know, but I think the point is he can clearly be part of a strong Premier League team.

Lot of misguided and unfair comments are being made about Pau. Some people have an agenda so......

I dont think people are being unfair to Pau - but just Mings was more suited to todays game.  Thats the purpose of having a squad and Pau and Ty are both very good players.  But its pointless having both if you dont use there strenfths,

[AV82EC]

They’re not that bad that’s better than a win every other game. I don’t know, but I think the point is he can clearly be part of a strong Premier League team.

Lot of misguided and unfair comments are being made about Pau. Some people have an agenda so......

I dont think people are being unfair to Pau - but just Mings was more suited to todays game.  Thats the purpose of having a squad and Pau and Ty are both very good players.  But its pointless having both if you dont use there strenfths,

That’s on Emery not Pau.

[London Villan]

Much worse, based on our respective league positions, ambitions and squad.

[Meanwood Villa]

Shame that Emery is a perennial trophy winner but just can’t seem to do it for us.
We had the luck of the draw in the CL, with playing all the 4 stronger teams at home, then playing the second legs at home in the knock out stages.
The FA cup draw couldn’t have been much more obliging for us.
I suggest Unai takes a good look at trying to win the easiest of the cups next season, in the form of the League Cup. Just any trophy would be really nice.

I know what you mean, that's two semi finals I thought we'd win in the last two seasons and we've shit the bed in both. It's an important life lesson really, never expect anything good to happen. Ever.

[PaulWinch again]

It’s funny though Pau has a higher tackle success rate of his Premier League career than Ty - I’ve no idea what that means, but it sounds like a defensive stat.

It may actually mean Pau doesn’t tackle a lot, a bit like when Duran had the highest goals per min rate.

If the Premier League stats are to believe he actually proportionally makes more than Ty.

[PeterWithesShin]

If Arsenal played well we had no chance that day as they were far better than us. They did play well and we got twatted. We got twatted today by a side below us in the league for the 3rd straight season, that makes today worse for me.