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Author Topic: Will we qualify for the CL?  (Read 176064 times)

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Re: Will we qualify for the CL?
« Reply #2535 on: May 20, 2025, 09:40:04 AM »
Fingers crossed Betis will come as a shock

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Re: Will we qualify for the CL?
« Reply #2536 on: May 20, 2025, 09:46:48 AM »
I'd rather play a de-motivated Man Yoo so for that reason only I hope Spuds win.
Surely this is going to raise a debate about the whole idea of giving a CL berth to the winners of the Europa Cup? It's the worst case scenario for UEFA because they are going to have a team in the CL next season who finished 16th or 17th. It makes a mockery of the name of the competition.

UEFA will be wanking themselves silly at the thought of ManUre being back in the big competition. It's all about tbe viewing figures and selling it to sponsors.

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Re: Will we qualify for the CL?
« Reply #2537 on: May 20, 2025, 03:46:23 PM »
Now, I'm not a gambling man. But I singlehandedly dragged Villa over the line last season by betting on Spurs to get top 4, which would have paid for my season ticket.

A quick check on SkyBet tells me that betting £15 on all the results to go against us - (Man City beating Bournemouth and Fulham, Chelsea beating Forest, and Newcastle beating Everton) would net me £1.1k.

It's tempting.

Edit - It had both teams to score on it  >:(
« Last Edit: May 20, 2025, 03:51:47 PM by Dogtanian »

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Re: Will we qualify for the CL?
« Reply #2538 on: May 20, 2025, 03:54:04 PM »
I'm not sure there's a way to bet to ensure you're covered if we don't qualify. Too many variables. You could bet on Man Utd or Draw (evens last time I checked), but we could still qualify by losing and not qualify by winning.

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Re: Will we qualify for the CL?
« Reply #2539 on: May 20, 2025, 03:57:45 PM »
Yeah, I can't get it so the winnings are high enough that I can't imagine the universe letting me win it and therefore tipping the balance over to enforce qualification.

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Re: Will we qualify for the CL?
« Reply #2540 on: May 20, 2025, 04:00:47 PM »
I don't really care which of those two shit house clubs win unless there is a slant which impacts us, and there is

I'd rather play Man United without them having the boost of having won a European trophy a few days before. Therefore, I hope Spurs win.

With respect, I think that's a bit short-sighted as to which impacts Villa.

As per the above, it's easy to make the argument that a (even more) broken demoralised Man Utd is the better one to play. It's equally valid that a tools-down, slightly-hungover version who don't need to give a toss about turning up on the last day is the better one to play. In truth, we *should* beat either version comfortably anyway.

When they sack Postecoglou, Spurs will be better next season than they have been this. People seem to have completely written them off forever now, much like they decided in the two seasons prior to this one that Chelsea were now an irrelevent joke that we didn't need to worry about any more. I remember last summer there were people on here absolutely losing their minds that various pundits were predicting that Chelsea might finish above us this season.

Spurs finished fifth last season and this will be the first time that they've finished lower than eighth since 2008. Until recently the "Spursy" moniker was due to them not winning the league when Leicester did and not winnning the Champions League final. Give them a slightly better manager than the current one, the Champions League to attract players (exactly the sort of players that we would presumably be interested in) and another £150m to spend and they're competing for the positions that we want to be in, like they have been every season until this one for the last twenty years.

The current Man Utd are far more likely to mess up the additional money and power that the Champions League gives them, just like they did last season. They've got an old, unsuitable squad that they can't sell, and the £50m of Champions League money will probably just go to paying off Amorim and his staff when that Brexit twat sacks him in November because they're only ninth in the league.

Maybe both clubs snap out of it and sort themselves out. They definitely will at some point in the next ten years. But Spurs being in the Champions League next season probably makes a big difference to us. Man Utd being in the Champions League probably doesn't.

I disagree, Spurs never have and never will dominate English football, the other lot have and and potentially could again. Keep them in the mire for as long as possible.

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Re: Will we qualify for the CL?
« Reply #2541 on: May 20, 2025, 04:05:10 PM »
I disagree, Spurs never have and never will dominate English football, the other lot have and and potentially could again. Keep them in the mire for as long as possible.

They don't need to dominate English football to make our 25-26 season much harder than it needs to be. They just need to return to being the same Spurs as they've been for the last twenty minus one years.

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Re: Will we qualify for the CL?
« Reply #2542 on: May 20, 2025, 05:20:05 PM »
Nah, not having it. Spurs are shit and we'll finish above them for the next decade at least. I'm always right about these things. Just like Arsenal being one season wonders after they finished second two seasons ago and Liverpool falling away post Klopp.

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Re: Will we qualify for the CL?
« Reply #2543 on: May 20, 2025, 05:43:27 PM »
Man Utd winning it will feel empty, like a Man City victory. I can just about cope with that, as the club are in an absolute state.
However, if Spurs win it, the media and fanbase would be in total meltdown - They're bad enough when they haven't won anything of any significance for decades. I don't want to experience the world if they actually 'did' win something.

Man Utd win for me. Rat face getting crocked before Sunday would be nice too.

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Re: Will we qualify for the CL?
« Reply #2544 on: May 20, 2025, 06:03:48 PM »
I don’t know why there is confusion about the Conf League place as it’s Newcastle’s currently as the League Cup Winners unless they qualify for a higher competition in which case it gets given to the League. Whether Chelsea win the Conf League seems neither here nor there to that equation. Unless there is some obscure UEFA competition regualtion that forbids this?

Newcastle secured at least Conference League football when they won the League Cup. However, should they finish in the top six, they would qualify for the Champions League or Europa League and the League Cup holder's Conference League place would not be used, instead it would pass to the seventh placed team.

The Conference League winners qualify for the following year's Europa League, unless they have otherwise qualified for the Champions League.

So, if Chelsea finish seventh and win the Conference League, the 5th, 6th and 7th placed teams would all qualify for the Europa League.

The discussion is what happens to England's Conference League spot in those circumstances. Does England lose it, or does it pass to the eighth placed team? The suggestion now seems to be that the latter is the case.
I assume the rule hasn't changed drastically since last year, which is:

- There's essentially 2 types of qualification - domestic and continental (not the official terms, just called that for sake of describing it).

- A country is guaranteed their domestic qualification quotas - so England is guaranteed 5 Champions League places (1st-5th) + 2 Europa League places (6th & FA Cup Winner) + 1 Conference League place (League Cup winner)

- As domestic qualification places are guaranteed, they are transferrable.  So for example if Newcastle finish 5th and qualify for the Conference League via the League Cup, their Conference League place is transferred to the highest-placed not qualifying team (i.e. 7th)

- If a team wins a continental competition (Champions League, Europa League, Conference League) they qualify for the next competition up.  However, these places are not transferrable.  e.g. if you win the Champions League AND finish in the top 5, there's no extra place - they've already qualified for it.  Likewise, if the Conference League winner qualifies for either the Champions League or the Europa League, the place they've won from winning the Conference League disappears as it's non-transferrable.

To squeeze more European places out, you have to get teams that have a non-transferrable place to qualify domestically lower ranked competition.

The only way we can get more places now is if Chelsea win the Conference League.  In that situation, if Chelsea finish 7th, then 7th place gets the Europa League and the Conference League place drops down to 8th.

In theory you can have 10 teams in Europe, but you'd need:

- 5 Champions League places via the co-efficients (1st-5th)
- 6th place to win the Europa League or Champions League (so also qualify for the CL)
- 7th place qualifies for the Europa League via their league position
- 8th place - If the FA Cup winner finishes in the top 7 (plus all the above), 8th place gets a Europa League spot
- 9th place - The Conference League winner finishes 9th, so qualifies for the Europa League and their Conference League spot drops down to ...
- 10th place - If the League Cup winner also finishes in the top 9

(There's no advantage to English clubs winning both the Champions League and Europa League as there's a maximum of 6 teams from any given country in that competition - it'd simply mean that England effectively lost the co-efficient place)
« Last Edit: May 20, 2025, 06:06:17 PM by algy »

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Re: Will we qualify for the CL?
« Reply #2545 on: May 20, 2025, 06:30:58 PM »
Now, I'm not a gambling man. But I singlehandedly dragged Villa over the line last season by betting on Spurs to get top 4, which would have paid for my season ticket.

A quick check on SkyBet tells me that betting £15 on all the results to go against us - (Man City beating Bournemouth and Fulham, Chelsea beating Forest, and Newcastle beating Everton) would net me £1.1k.

It's tempting.

Edit - It had both teams to score on it  >:(

 Quite clearly that was bollocks before your change, Man City to win twice (they don’t need to to finish above us), Chelsea to win and Newcastle to win is around 9/2.

We are odds on at OT. I will be laying that.

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Re: Will we qualify for the CL?
« Reply #2546 on: May 20, 2025, 07:55:57 PM »
I disagree, Spurs never have and never will dominate English football, the other lot have and and potentially could again. Keep them in the mire for as long as possible.

They don't need to dominate English football to make our 25-26 season much harder than it needs to be. They just need to return to being the same Spurs as they've been for the last twenty minus one years.

If next year constitutes 20 minus 1 years, I think that means Spurs will get relegated, given their success when the year ends in a 1.

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Re: Will we qualify for the CL?
« Reply #2547 on: May 20, 2025, 08:48:31 PM »
I think we can discount Citeh now. Fulham aren’t winning that game.

So we need to win and hope Chelsea or Newcastle fail to match our result.

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Re: Will we qualify for the CL?
« Reply #2548 on: May 20, 2025, 09:12:58 PM »
I think we can discount Citeh now. Fulham aren’t winning that game.

So we need to win and hope Chelsea or Newcastle fail to match our result.
Yep , it's come down to this now .

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Re: Will we qualify for the CL?
« Reply #2549 on: May 20, 2025, 09:17:35 PM »
Whichever way you cut it, we have to win next week and hope Chelsea don’t.
Then it’s done and dusted.
I said a couple of days ago, it simply comes down to this.

 


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