Morgan Rogers

[AV82EC]

I agree AV82.  Which is why I concluded that I think we probably do want to sell him.  I suspect everything else is posturing to try to get the best deal we can.

Sorry if I came across a bit earnest there Chris. I’m just a glass half full kind of person and just feel it’s wasted energy getting riled about the rules, either EPL or UEFA, designed to frustrate us. I’ve also long since given up on players and their loyalty. They’ll do what’s best for them and I’m entirely at peace with that. But it’s a two way street and we need to be just as ruthless in the other direction.

[chrisw1]

I agree AV82.  Which is why I concluded that I think we probably do want to sell him.  I suspect everything else is posturing to try to get the best deal we can.

Sorry if I came across a bit earnest there Chris. I’m just a glass half full kind of person and just feel it’s wasted energy getting riled about the rules, either EPL or UEFA, designed to frustrate us. I’ve also long since given up on players and their loyalty. They’ll do what’s best for them and I’m entirely at peace with that. But it’s a two way street and we need to be just as ruthless in the other direction.

It's completely fair.  I get angry about PSR/SCR almost every day.  Your attitude is far healthier.

[letsshakehands]

A question on the Uefa settlement for anyone who understands such things:

Given the one in/one out situation, is the balance for each assessment (whether positive or negative) carried over to the next assessment? For example, if we reduced spending but not by enough to clear the settlement, do we lose wherever credit we earned from that reduction at the next assessment? Could we then theoretically be stuck in a never-ending reduction in what we are allowed to spend until the settlement is over?

[paul_e]

Dave's reading of this is exactly the same as mine and is something I've been posting about for a while.

We are still under an agreement but the specific incoming have to match or be lower than outgoings doesn't seem to apply.

Purely on transfer fees in 2025 we made a profit of about £90m (or higher if the Barrenechea obligation kicked in early enough to be in that year as well).

There will be signing fees and agent fees to add there and of course any changes in wages need to be considered as well but I doubt all of that comes anywhere near hitting a break even. I suspect we probably booked a £60m+ profit in the end.

[cdbearsfan]

Do Man City get to count him as club-trained if they sign him or was he at Albion too long? That might increase his value if he goes there if they do.

[Dave]

Do Man City get to count him as club-trained if they sign him or was he at Albion too long? That might increase his value if he goes there if they do.

Don't think they do - I think he was there for long enough, but had too many loan spells.

[garyellis]

If we sell Morgan it will not be because we have to under that agreement.

[kippaxvilla2]

Albion also have a buy back clause.

Halesowen Colts are entitled to first refusal.

[AV82EC]

I agree AV82.  Which is why I concluded that I think we probably do want to sell him.  I suspect everything else is posturing to try to get the best deal we can.

Sorry if I came across a bit earnest there Chris. I’m just a glass half full kind of person and just feel it’s wasted energy getting riled about the rules, either EPL or UEFA, designed to frustrate us. I’ve also long since given up on players and their loyalty. They’ll do what’s best for them and I’m entirely at peace with that. But it’s a two way street and we need to be just as ruthless in the other direction.

It's completely fair.  I get angry about PSR/SCR almost every day.  Your attitude is far healthier.

Someone once told me get annoyed about the things you can control not those you can’t. It sounds like hokum shite but I’ve got a much healthier perspective on life, the Villa and everything since I started thinking about that a bit more.

[cdbearsfan]

Do Man City get to count him as club-trained if they sign him or was he at Albion too long? That might increase his value if he goes there if they do.

Don't think they do - I think he was there for long enough, but had too many loan spells.

Ta.

[eye digress]

The only reliable 'paper talk' is The Athletic, who said it starts at 100m. 80m is only worth 62m to us, which 0.5 of a Florian Wirtz. If Elliot Anderson is nine figures after one season of pensive, artsy, black-and-white sideways passing*, then Rogers with his personal goal-of-the-season competition is at the very least the same.

*I know, I know, don't @ me.

The Athletic also suggested in the aftermath of Istanbul, that Villa "accepted" his valuation was more like £80m rather than the previous higher valuations. But it seems that the constant chatter is gradually nudging the price back up.

[eye digress]

Albion also have a buy back clause.

Halesowen Colts are entitled to first refusal.

Believe he played for Halas Hawks, no?

[PeterWithesShin]

I've heard that there's clause in his contract that we can match any offer which means we can buy him from ourselves. And we get an extra 10% sell on as well. So we'll make even more if we do buy him from ourselves.

[Bent Neilsens Screamer]

The only reliable 'paper talk' is The Athletic, who said it starts at 100m. 80m is only worth 62m to us, which 0.5 of a Florian Wirtz. If Elliot Anderson is nine figures after one season of pensive, artsy, black-and-white sideways passing*, then Rogers with his personal goal-of-the-season competition is at the very least the same.

*I know, I know, don't @ me.

The Athletic also suggested in the aftermath of Istanbul, that Villa "accepted" his valuation was more like £80m rather than the previous higher valuations. But it seems that the constant chatter is gradually nudging the price back up.

Perhaps I should read the article but why in the aftermath of a final in which he assisted and scored would his valuation be the lesser amount? Given the fact that was a culmination of a pretty stellar season, stats wise, which probably sees him towards the top of the goal involvement charts.