Post by: Toronto Villa on January 30, 2024, 02:41:23 PM
https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1752339763527307584?s=46
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 30, 2024, 02:45:07 PM
Post by: Monty on January 30, 2024, 02:47:39 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 30, 2024, 02:49:07 PM
Fun, absolutely no idea how good he is, I'm hoping very.
He has potential, I think that's the key.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 30, 2024, 02:49:26 PM
Anything around £8M-£10M will be reasonable.
His height will be welcome. I think he is about 6'3".
His pace & direct running will offer cover & competition for Ramsey.
If Emery sees him being able to cover Watkins, then that could be an interesting project.
I hope that he comes in like a hurricane, makes me eat my words & becomes the player that everyone thought he could be at the age of 17-18 years old.
The height of him, Kellyman & Zaniolo could be interesting late in a game too, if we are chasing...
Post by: chrisw1 on January 30, 2024, 02:55:25 PM
I'm very sceptical, but people are paid a lot of money to make these decisions and I wish him all the very best.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 30, 2024, 02:58:04 PM
Post by: villadelph on January 30, 2024, 03:01:40 PM
Hopefully he can take up the left hand side or the hole behind Watkins that Diaby can't seem to figure out.
Post by: Paul.S on January 30, 2024, 03:02:41 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 30, 2024, 03:03:13 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on January 30, 2024, 03:03:56 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2024, 03:05:48 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on January 30, 2024, 03:11:25 PM
I'm Unai we trust!
Post by: Villafirst on January 30, 2024, 03:17:55 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2024, 03:18:00 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2024, 03:19:43 PM
Good news. Obviously he has a lot to learn, but at 21 and 6'4" he should prove a great acquisition. I just hope our fans give him time to settle into the Premier League. Another plus, he's a local lad born in Halesowen, so he'll be well familiar with the area.
Plus Mark Harrison will have had him at West Brom as a kid.
Post by: Matt C on January 30, 2024, 03:20:37 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2024, 03:25:45 PM
Post by: MalcolmP on January 30, 2024, 03:25:55 PM
If this ends up happening, I think it all depends on how much he is costing as to whether I think this is a good deal or not.Bought in summer for £1m sold to us for £10m gone up in value 10 fold in 6 months, what has he done to achieve that? This time last week I'd never heard him
Anything around £8M-£10M will be reasonable.
His height will be welcome. I think he is about 6'3".
His pace & direct running will offer cover & competition for Ramsey.
If Emery sees him being able to cover Watkins, then that could be an interesting project.
I hope that he comes in like a hurricane, makes me eat my words & becomes the player that everyone thought he could be at the age of 17-18 years old.
The height of him, Kellyman & Zaniolo could be interesting late in a game too, if we are chasing...
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2024, 03:26:23 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on January 30, 2024, 03:27:52 PM
If this ends up happening, I think it all depends on how much he is costing as to whether I think this is a good deal or not.Bought in summer for £1m sold to us for £10m gone up in value 10 fold in 6 months, what has he done to achieve that? This time last week I'd never heard him
Anything around £8M-£10M will be reasonable.
His height will be welcome. I think he is about 6'3".
His pace & direct running will offer cover & competition for Ramsey.
If Emery sees him being able to cover Watkins, then that could be an interesting project.
I hope that he comes in like a hurricane, makes me eat my words & becomes the player that everyone thought he could be at the age of 17-18 years old.
The height of him, Kellyman & Zaniolo could be interesting late in a game too, if we are chasing...
We are the new Chelsea.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 30, 2024, 03:28:55 PM
Awful signing, way overpriced and not good enough.
Definitely has the potential to be a future Ballon d'Or winner, cracking bit of business.
(https://i.ibb.co/6FCrrZK/image.png) (https://ibb.co/6FCrrZK)
Post by: PeterWithe on January 30, 2024, 03:29:11 PM
£10m for any footballer is madness, let alone a reserve but that's the market we've all bought into.
Post by: Dogtanian on January 30, 2024, 03:32:53 PM
https://theathletic.com/5238109/2024/01/30/morgan-rogers-aston-villa-transfer-2/ (https://theathletic.com/5238109/2024/01/30/morgan-rogers-aston-villa-transfer-2/)
The Athletic reporting it's £8m up front (Some tat, two-bit northern club get 25%), plus £7m in add-ons.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 30, 2024, 03:34:42 PM
If we end up paying the extra £7M, then he will have been a success.
If these numbers are accurate, then fair play.
Thats a good deal & congrats must go to the negotiation team (or whatever title they have).
If this ends up happening, I think it all depends on how much he is costing as to whether I think this is a good deal or not.Bought in summer for £1m sold to us for £10m gone up in value 10 fold in 6 months, what has he done to achieve that? This time last week I'd never heard him
Anything around £8M-£10M will be reasonable.
His height will be welcome. I think he is about 6'3".
His pace & direct running will offer cover & competition for Ramsey.
If Emery sees him being able to cover Watkins, then that could be an interesting project.
I hope that he comes in like a hurricane, makes me eat my words & becomes the player that everyone thought he could be at the age of 17-18 years old.
The height of him, Kellyman & Zaniolo could be interesting late in a game too, if we are chasing...
I watched him a few times when he was out on loan with Brennan Rogers. I cant remember the club though. Lincoln maybe? Shrewsbury? I cant be arsed to check...
He looked decent enough to me & thought that if he can kick on, with that physicality to go with the reasonably decent pace & a good touch, that he could be a decent player in a few years.
He never massively kicked on from those days, in my humble opinion.
Although his League Cup numbers are decent...
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 30, 2024, 03:34:52 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 30, 2024, 03:35:08 PM
Aston Villa reach agreement with Middlesbrough to sign Morgan Rogers. £8m + £7m add-ons. 25% sell-on to Man City. 21yo attacking midfielder to travel today & take medical tomorrow. 5.5yr deal (2029)
I wonder if some of the delay was Boro trying to pass on the sell on clause so that they got the full fee rather than Man City taking a cut?
Post by: Billy Walker on January 30, 2024, 03:36:59 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 30, 2024, 03:37:18 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on January 30, 2024, 03:42:30 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on January 30, 2024, 03:45:38 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on January 30, 2024, 03:50:18 PM
A rum signing?
I can see him becoming Captain.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 30, 2024, 03:50:39 PM
In Emery and Emery staff we trust.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2024, 03:51:33 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 30, 2024, 03:52:56 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on January 30, 2024, 03:56:22 PM
David Ornsein
Aston Villa reach agreement with Middlesbrough to sign Morgan Rogers. £8m + £7m add-ons. 25% sell-on to Man City. 21yo attacking midfielder to travel today & take medical tomorrow. 5.5yr deal (2029)
I wonder if some of the delay was Boro trying to pass on the sell on clause so that they got the full fee rather than Man City taking a cut?
John Percy of The Telegraph has a different view.
https://x.com/JPercyTelegraph/status/1752344930599481580?t=r8mm2190Kmr_-gYMMG-6Gg&s=08
Although they end up at the same overall figure.
I reckon the delay in agreeing a deal was all down to how it was going to be "packaged" in terms of the up front sum, payment date(s) for the remainder, and the add-ons.
Post by: ROBBO on January 30, 2024, 04:00:04 PM
Post by: Dave on January 30, 2024, 04:00:58 PM
A rum signing?
pablo_picasso above says that he did quite well at Lincoln, playing under Michael Appleton.
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on January 30, 2024, 04:02:26 PM
Good news. Obviously he has a lot to learn, but at 21 and 6'4" he should prove a great acquisition. I just hope our fans give him time to settle into the Premier League. Another plus, he's a local lad born in Halesowen, so he'll be well familiar with the area.
Plus Mark Harrison will have had him at West Brom as a kid.
It might be cheaper for us just to buy West Brom.
Post by: SaddVillan on January 30, 2024, 04:07:24 PM
£15m total cost = £2.73m annual amortisation charge
Almost equals what we got for Finn Azaz, so the two deals pretty well balance out from an FFP perspective.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 30, 2024, 04:17:39 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2024, 04:19:05 PM
Good news. Obviously he has a lot to learn, but at 21 and 6'4" he should prove a great acquisition. I just hope our fans give him time to settle into the Premier League. Another plus, he's a local lad born in Halesowen, so he'll be well familiar with the area.
Plus Mark Harrison will have had him at West Brom as a kid.
It might be cheaper for us just to buy West Brom.
It would but then you're stuck with the locals
Post by: Keeno on January 30, 2024, 04:20:57 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on January 30, 2024, 04:21:50 PM
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on January 30, 2024, 04:22:27 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 30, 2024, 04:22:50 PM
Post by: Ian. on January 30, 2024, 04:26:20 PM
Post by: cdward on January 30, 2024, 04:41:22 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 30, 2024, 04:48:12 PM
I have no idea if he's any good, or more importantly potentially any good. In Emery I trust though, if he wants him I'm very happy we have got our man. With Duran out for two months he could be fast tracked and very important in the coming weeks.
Duran is out for 2 months?
Post by: lovejoy on January 30, 2024, 05:07:47 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 30, 2024, 05:07:50 PM
OK.Interesting that we sold JPB, Archer and Ramsey - to bring in this chap - hopefully he's going to be good.
I'm very sceptical, but people are paid a lot of money to make these decisions and I wish him all the very best.
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 30, 2024, 05:10:55 PM
Thats photo makes him look like he's got bad skin, thats a worry.why does that make you worry?
Post by: lovejoy on January 30, 2024, 05:24:17 PM
Thats photo makes him look like he's got bad skin, thats a worry.why does that make you worry?
Just a joke, people are looking at the negatives.
Post by: Pete3206 on January 30, 2024, 05:26:26 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 30, 2024, 05:31:23 PM
I have no idea if he's any good, or more importantly potentially any good. In Emery I trust though, if he wants him I'm very happy we have got our man. With Duran out for two months he could be fast tracked and very important in the coming weeks.
Duran is out for 2 months?
Yes.
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 30, 2024, 05:31:46 PM
sozThats photo makes him look like he's got bad skin, thats a worry.why does that make you worry?
Just a joke, people are looking at the negatives.
Post by: Dave on January 30, 2024, 05:32:16 PM
Thats photo makes him look like he's got bad skin, thats a worry.why does that make you worry?
Just a joke, people are looking at the negatives.
Looking at the negatives of a photo is definitely going to make someone's skin look funny.
Post by: DB on January 30, 2024, 05:38:11 PM
Apparently this is the first English player that UE has ever signed.
So Rogers has come in to Buck that trend? Ahem.
Post by: Ger Regan on January 30, 2024, 05:38:22 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 30, 2024, 05:46:06 PM
£8m up front is feck all if he fulfills his potential.You say speaking like a car dealer😂
Post by: AV84 on January 30, 2024, 05:46:18 PM
Thats photo makes him look like he's got bad skin, thats a worry.why does that make you worry?
Just a joke, people are looking at the negatives.
We do have a reputation to uphold as the best looking team in the league.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 30, 2024, 06:27:40 PM
A Villa fan and very promising player.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 30, 2024, 06:30:02 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on January 30, 2024, 06:31:19 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 30, 2024, 06:31:47 PM
Post by: Rigadon on January 30, 2024, 06:34:48 PM
The stuff about 'in Unai we trust' and 'if he's good enough for Unai...' Do people really think the person most responsible for this transfer is Unai Emery?!
You’d have thought he would most certainly been asked.
Post by: brontebilly on January 30, 2024, 06:35:03 PM
Emery sees something in him so thats me sold.
Agreed, between Emery and the scouts they are clearly seeing something in Rogers that they didn't maybe see in Archer, Philogene or Aaron Ramsey. What they have seen isn't backed up by stats really or views from Boro fans. On the face of it Boro have played us well here and likely got a better deal than what's he's worth. It makes no sense why we let Azaz go to Boro a few weeks before this deal. I think we likely have paid a penalty for that by a few million.
What we are getting is a physical unit capable of playing across the front line with a tidy first touch. The worry for me is that he doesn't seem particularly quick or mobile and I don't really see him getting regular minutes straight away. If Watkins get injured then maybe but otherwise he's up against Diaby, Zaniolo and Bailey for minutes. Maybe in time he could complete with JJ for a spot on left but from my very limited viewings of him that's going to be a stretch this season.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 30, 2024, 06:36:08 PM
The stuff about 'in Unai we trust' and 'if he's good enough for Unai...' Do people really think the person most responsible for this transfer is Unai Emery?!
Nah! We were first linked with Rogers two years ago.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 30, 2024, 06:36:23 PM
The stuff about 'in Unai we trust' and 'if he's good enough for Unai...' Do people really think the person most responsible for this transfer is Unai Emery?!
You’d have thought he would most certainly been asked.
I'd imagine he was.
Post by: john e on January 30, 2024, 06:40:20 PM
The stuff about 'in Unai we trust' and 'if he's good enough for Unai...' Do people really think the person most responsible for this transfer is Unai Emery?!
You’d have thought he would most certainly been asked.
I'd imagine he was.
Unless they went behind his back, and did it secretly
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 30, 2024, 06:40:56 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2024, 06:43:35 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on January 30, 2024, 06:47:42 PM
What I know about him from the little I've seen is that he's better than Duran but hasn't the power of shot.
In Emery and Emery staff we trust.
Looks a different type of player from the little I’ve seen. In the clips I’ve seen he’s either in the ‘number 10’ position or in wider areas.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 30, 2024, 06:50:38 PM
What we are getting is a physical unit capable of playing across the front line with a tidy first touch. The worry for me is that he doesn't seem particularly quick or mobile and I don't really see him getting regular minutes straight away. If Watkins get injured then maybe but otherwise he's up against Diaby, Zaniolo and Bailey for minutes. Maybe in time he could complete with JJ for a spot on left but from my very limited viewings of him that's going to be a stretch this season.
We've been linked with a lot of left wingers in the last 12 months so it shouldn't come as any real surprise. I think both Diaby and Leon are safe on the right side, Watkins in the middle. My guess is at some point, probably next season, we'll start seeing JJ playing more in the middle, the Lampard role and scoring for fun.
Post by: algy on January 30, 2024, 06:51:13 PM
Hmmm, they are foreign.Not just foreign - Spanish. They've got history of acting behind people's backs - look no further than King Phillip II's catholic counter-reformation of the 16th century, ignoring will of the Habsburg Dutch.
Clearly a bunch of wrong 'uns and ne'er do wells.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 30, 2024, 06:52:08 PM
Hmmm, they are foreign.Not just foreign - Spanish. They've got history of acting behind people's backs - look no further than King Phillip II's catholic counter-reformation of the 16th century, ignoring will of the Habsburg Dutch.
Clearly a bunch of wrong 'uns and ne'er do wells.
Case closed for me.
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2024, 06:54:56 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 30, 2024, 06:57:52 PM
Hmmm, they are foreign.
Not just foreign - Spanish. They've got history of acting behind people's backs - look no further than King Phillip II's catholic counter-reformation of the 16th century, ignoring will of the Habsburg Dutch.
Clearly a bunch of wrong 'uns and ne'er do wells.
Just look at the way they smuggled suspected terrorist Fr. John Gerard out of the country, right from under the nose of Robert Cecil.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 30, 2024, 06:58:34 PM
Hmmm, they are foreign.Not just foreign - Spanish. They've got history of acting behind people's backs - look no further than King Phillip II's catholic counter-reformation of the 16th century, ignoring will of the Habsburg Dutch.
Clearly a bunch of wrong 'uns and ne'er do wells.
Absolutely! There's a reason the locals here have been saying for centuries, "De Espanha nem bom vento nem bom casamento.”
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 30, 2024, 06:59:42 PM
Never mind what they did to Atahualpa, the bastards.
But then, if they hadn't conquered South America you wouldn't have a continent full of Latin Americans so...
Post by: VillaTim on January 30, 2024, 07:02:05 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 30, 2024, 07:04:12 PM
Absolutely! There's a reason the locals here are have been saying for centuries, "De Espanha nem bom vento nem bom casamento.”
Fortunately there's no such saying about Inglaterra, thanks to the Treaty of Windsor,
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 30, 2024, 07:08:08 PM
Never mind what they did to Atahualpa, the bastards.
But then, if they hadn't conquered South America you wouldn't have a continent full of Latin Americans so...
They didn't conquer South America at least not most of it. They got their arse handed to them so many times they gave up. It was through a peaceful process they managed to stay there and breed.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 30, 2024, 07:14:28 PM
"I’ve always prided myself on the number of positions I can play; I’ve done that since I was young. I love the game and I know what each position entails. I have the football intelligence to know what’s asked and to try to carry it out for the team. Some positions suit more than others, of course, but I’m more than happy to play anywhere — as long as I’m on the pitch. That’s the most important thing and always has been.”
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 30, 2024, 07:15:04 PM
I'm trying my hardest to get excited about this signing.Let's hope for a golden age with a Rogers and Astaire type partnership.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 30, 2024, 07:16:33 PM
He's ready to play Emery -ball.What I know about him from the little I've seen is that he's better than Duran but hasn't the power of shot.
In Emery and Emery staff we trust.
Looks a different type of player from the little I’ve seen. In the clips I’ve seen he’s either in the ‘number 10’ position or in wider areas.
More so than Duran
"When I moved to Man City, it’s the most structured team in the league, in the world. I found it hard to get that balance right. They signed me because of my abilities, obviously, but at the same time there’s a structure there and the structure works. I found it difficult to put the two together.
“I was being a mannequin, just doing what they said, which isn’t what they want. They do tell you, but they want you to put your own capabilities on it. I struggled, to be honest.
“I had to go away and learn, how to take instructions from a coach and impose myself within that. It’s still a work in progress but I feel I’m getting better at it. I can still do a job for the team but be myself, express myself. Ultimately, that’s what they want.
“I’d been a winger at West Brom, but I had more freedom to do what I wanted. At City, it helped me learn, but it took me back a bit. It definitely made me a better person, having to learn that.”
Post by: VillaTim on January 30, 2024, 07:20:37 PM
Hopefully not Rogers and Dusty Bin, 3-2-1I'm trying my hardest to get excited about this signing.Let's hope for a golden age with a Rogers and Astaire type partnership.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 30, 2024, 07:23:17 PM
He's ready to play Emery -ball.What I know about him from the little I've seen is that he's better than Duran but hasn't the power of shot.
In Emery and Emery staff we trust.
Looks a different type of player from the little I’ve seen. In the clips I’ve seen he’s either in the ‘number 10’ position or in wider areas.
More so than Duran
"When I moved to Man City, it’s the most structured team in the league, in the world. I found it hard to get that balance right. They signed me because of my abilities, obviously, but at the same time there’s a structure there and the structure works. I found it difficult to put the two together.
“I was being a mannequin, just doing what they said, which isn’t what they want. They do tell you, but they want you to put your own capabilities on it. I struggled, to be honest.
“I had to go away and learn, how to take instructions from a coach and impose myself within that. It’s still a work in progress but I feel I’m getting better at it. I can still do a job for the team but be myself, express myself. Ultimately, that’s what they want.
“I’d been a winger at West Brom, but I had more freedom to do what I wanted. At City, it helped me learn, but it took me back a bit. It definitely made me a better person, having to learn that.”
And that's why Grealish is so boring now.
Post by: Drummond on January 30, 2024, 07:31:46 PM
Good news. Obviously he has a lot to learn, but at 21 and 6'4" he should prove a great acquisition. I just hope our fans give him time to settle into the Premier League. Another plus, he's a local lad born in Halesowen, so he'll be well familiar with the area.
Plus Mark Harrison will have had him at West Brom as a kid.
It might be cheaper for us just to buy West Brom.
You can recycle carrier bags these days can't you?
Post by: Drummond on January 30, 2024, 07:37:56 PM
Emery sees something in him so thats me sold.
Agreed, between Emery and the scouts they are clearly seeing something in Rogers that they didn't maybe see in Archer, Philogene or Aaron Ramsey.
FFP
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 30, 2024, 07:39:29 PM
Imagine it Mimi Rogers.?Hopefully not Rogers and Dusty Bin, 3-2-1I'm trying my hardest to get excited about this signing.Let's hope for a golden age with a Rogers and Astaire type partnership.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 30, 2024, 07:41:56 PM
I'm trying my hardest to get excited about this signing.
Let's hope for a golden age with a Rogers and Astaire type partnership.
Hopefully not Rogers and Dusty Bin, 3-2-1
Imagine it Mimi Rogers.?
I hope you're not suggesting that he's a selfish player.
Post by: Anthenagin on January 30, 2024, 08:08:45 PM
I reckon he's going to add plus four to his goal tally in no time.
With that height I see him as more of an aeromax.
Post by: algy on January 30, 2024, 08:52:00 PM
Welcome back, Footy :)
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 30, 2024, 11:24:11 PM
And many more Spainish people have taken interest in Villa under Emery
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2024, 12:54:44 PM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 31, 2024, 12:57:06 PM
Sky reporting he's at BH for his medical.We need a boost today.
Especially after the Bartons news!
Post by: dave shelley on January 31, 2024, 09:34:07 PM
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 31, 2024, 09:44:00 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 31, 2024, 09:44:33 PM
Any announcement on him being signed yet? I've been out for a while.
Latest from Fab on X is that he’s passed the medical and contract being prepared.
Post by: dave shelley on January 31, 2024, 09:53:48 PM
Post by: LeonW on January 31, 2024, 10:35:55 PM
Any announcement on him being signed yet? I've been out for a while.
Latest from Fab on X is that he’s passed the medical and contract being prepared.
“Contract being prepared?!?” What have they been doing for the last week. Should be ready to go!
Post by: VillaTim on January 31, 2024, 10:38:26 PM
Post by: Randy Gurner on January 31, 2024, 10:56:53 PM
Any announcement on him being signed yet? I've been out for a while.
Latest from Fab on X is that he’s passed the medical and contract being prepared.
Bingo... and then straight on loan to Plymouth Argyle
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2024, 11:10:07 PM
Does it slam shut at 11pm
No it closes gently but firmly, like a small tortoise telling you off.
Post by: DB on February 01, 2024, 09:15:32 AM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 01, 2024, 09:25:22 AM
According to Fabrizio Armano he has signed a contract until 2029.
in the squad for Saturday then
Post by: LeeB on February 01, 2024, 09:26:47 AM
According to Fabrizio Armano he has signed a contract until 2029.
in the squad for Saturday then
He's got two days to get injured yet.
Post by: Rigadon on February 01, 2024, 09:28:41 AM
According to Fabrizio Armano he has signed a contract until 2029.
in the squad for Saturday then
He's got two days to get injured yet.
Haha, IASOTSOTP (in a stretcher on the side of the pitch).
Post by: olaftab on February 01, 2024, 11:07:17 AM
Post by: Villan For Life on February 01, 2024, 11:07:56 AM
Post by: olaftab on February 01, 2024, 11:10:11 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/rwNg49H/693432-A5-B6-AD-4-BFE-B808-F51-C366273-CE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rwNg49H)
Post by: Risso on February 01, 2024, 11:10:42 AM
On Pravda now.
"Once on the books at West Bromwich Albion, he made his professional debut while at the Hawthorns before being snapped up by Manchester City."
Top trolling there!
Post by: Risso on February 01, 2024, 11:10:59 AM
Post by: Steve67 on February 01, 2024, 11:14:20 AM
Done and dusted now. Welsome buck!
Ha ha, one for us older types!
Welcome indeed. He’s a big chap.
Post by: VillaTim on February 01, 2024, 11:15:27 AM
Big lad isn't he?christ what they been feeding him at Boro
Post by: rob_bridge on February 01, 2024, 11:19:34 AM
Post by: olaftab on February 01, 2024, 11:23:40 AM
When he was at Albion he ate at Desi Pubs down Soho road.Big lad isn't he?christ what they been feeding him at Boro
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 01, 2024, 11:23:43 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 01, 2024, 11:28:59 AM
Post by: Ian. on February 01, 2024, 11:35:37 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 01, 2024, 11:51:56 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on February 01, 2024, 11:54:12 AM
Post by: mrfuse on February 01, 2024, 11:55:46 AM
Big lad isn't he?
Looks like he has good close control and skill for his height, A bit like Zaniolo but hopefully a lot better.
Post by: eamonn on February 01, 2024, 11:57:24 AM
Villa fan ?
Halesowen Town FC!
A place which records 69 crimes per 1,000 people which is 6 people less than the UK average. England is the naughtiest, Northern Ireland is the purest.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 01, 2024, 11:57:57 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFP12LJW8AAD2zw?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Post by: chrisw1 on February 01, 2024, 11:59:50 AM
Post by: Risso on February 01, 2024, 12:01:00 PM
Anyway, Guten Morgan.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 01, 2024, 12:01:23 PM
Sweet baby Jesus and the orphans, he's got some truly terrible tattoos.
Forget the tattoos, have you seen the bruise on his knee? Hopefully available before the end of the season.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 01, 2024, 12:01:33 PM
Sweet baby Jesus and the orphans, he's got some truly terrible tattoos.Good way to remember family birthdays though.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFP12LJW8AAD2zw?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Post by: jon collett on February 01, 2024, 12:02:36 PM
Post by: The Man With A Stick on February 01, 2024, 12:04:38 PM
Post by: lovejoy on February 01, 2024, 12:07:32 PM
According to Fabrizio Armano he has signed a contract until 2029.
Just before half past eight?
Post by: LeeS on February 01, 2024, 12:21:16 PM
I was at secondary school in the 80s with a lad called Morgan Rogers. He had rich parents, and in the 6th form they bought him an Opel Manta. All the girls fancied him. Git.
Anyway, Guten Morgan.
Ooh an Opel Manta, you say? All the boys wanted to be him and all the girls wanted to be with him.
Post by: Monty on February 01, 2024, 12:21:59 PM
Post by: oldtimernow on February 01, 2024, 12:23:11 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/rwNg49H/693432-A5-B6-AD-4-BFE-B808-F51-C366273-CE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rwNg49H)
looks a unit
Post by: simon ward 50 on February 01, 2024, 12:24:54 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 01, 2024, 12:50:34 PM
I was at secondary school in the 80s with a lad called Morgan Rogers. He had rich parents, and in the 6th form they bought him an Opel Manta. All the girls fancied him. Git.
Anyway, Guten Morgan.
Ooh an Opel Manta, you say? All the boys wanted to be him and all the girls wanted to be with him.
Similarly, I think it was Damon Albarn, circa 1992, who, inebriated in some indie-dive, was heard to declare "The trick is to make the blokes wanna be ya, and the birds wanna shag ya".
Post by: Dave P on February 01, 2024, 12:53:19 PM
can he play in Europe?
Would have thought so. He wont be cup tied obviously. We'll get Carla Ward to check.
Post by: Dogtanian on February 01, 2024, 01:41:51 PM
Similarly, I think it was Damon Albarn, circa 1992, who, inebriated in some indie-dive, was heard to declare "The trick is to make the blokes wanna be ya, and the birds wanna shag ya".
A man far too aware of how pretty he was in the 90s, and unable to stop the blokes wanting to kick his head in. (Damon that is, I'm sure you were lovely in the 90s, eamonn.)
Post by: darren woolley on February 01, 2024, 01:43:04 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 01, 2024, 01:45:05 PM
Seems like he was very much expected to be the next big thing, Man City paid £4m for him. His loans didn't really pan out for him, but even so he seems an exciting prospect. A Baggies fan, not that it matters. Jacob Tanswell is an excellent correspondent.
Morgan Rogers’ journey from West Brom wonderkid to Aston Villa – via Man City and Middlesbrough
Jacob Tanswell and Steve Madeley
Feb 1, 2024
It was April 2019 and Pep Guardiola and Mikel Arteta, then Manchester City’s managerial master and apprentice, took their seats in the stands at the club’s Academy Stadium.
With the kick-off of an FA Youth Cup semi-final against West Bromwich Albion nearing, Guardiola and Arteta were keen observers of their Premier League champions’ next generation.
Morgan Rogers was operating on the right wing for Albion that Monday evening. City scouts remarked how he harried with vigour when his team were out of possession and provided their chief threat on the counter-attack, enabling them to break up City’s long spells of ball dominance. “His pace on transition caught my eye,” one scout who was there told The Athletic, speaking on the condition of anonymity.
go-deeper
GO DEEPER
Villa agree deal for Middlesbrough's Rogers
Rogers, then 16, possessed directness and a certain confidence and was adept at beating his full-back both ways and at drifting inside into central pockets of space. This was illustrated in his role for Jamie Soule’s equaliser midway through the first half, laying off the ball after finding space between the posts and inside the 18-yard box. City went on to win 4-2, but Rogers’ poise and ability with both feet were viewed as precocious and purposeful.
Four months later and five days after turning 17, he was back at the Academy Stadium, this time dressed in City blue.
After a lengthy extraction process, they finalised a £4million ($5.1m at the current exchange rate) compensation fee for the England youth international. Academy coaches back at West Brom expressed their disappointment within the club, yet accepted such a fee was a lot of money for someone just out of school.
Rogers training at Manchester City in 2022 (Paul Ellis/AFP via Getty Images)
For Rogers, it meant leaving the club he supported. Having been born locally, he joined Albion at the age of eight and was regularly a ball boy at their matches. He was popular and sociable, often loudly launching into ‘Boing-boing!’ in the playground — an infamous West Brom chant — sending classmates into laughter, or singing (invariably off-key) Albion fans’ songs.
Rogers is the middle son of three brothers and his senior debut for West Brom in February 2019 —as an 82nd-minute substitute against Brighton & Hove Albion in the FA Cup — was understandably a huge source of pride for his friends and family, with his parents, Deborah and Howard, watching.
Yet within months, the allure of potentially working with Guardiola and Arteta, despite expecting to be initially schooled within City’s elite development squad (EDS), effectively their under-23s, was decisive.
Born in Halesowen, a market town in the West Midlands eight miles from Albion’s home stadium The Hawthorns, the now 21-year-old’s preadolescent years were spent at local junior school Colley Lane Primary before attending Sandwell Academy secondary, a literal stone’s throw away from the ground; he only needed to cross one street to get there.
“We both shared one obvious passion, our affection for Albion,” says Matthew Smith, a childhood friend. “One memory that still brings a smile to my face is the celebrations during West Brom’s first win (over Manchester United) at Old Trafford since 1978 — in 2013.
“We were playing cricket on a patch of grass at the bottom of my estate when the game was going on. When we heard we had scored, he sprinted up the steps towards my house in disbelief and rang his dad to tell him, only for United to equalise. You can imagine the bedlam when we scored another.”
By that stage, an 11-year-old Rogers was regarded as the jewel in Albion’s academy. Coaches spoke about how he would one day play in the Champions League. Only older fellow prospects Tyler Roberts and Saido Berahino (who scored the winner in that match at Old Trafford) were furnished with similar praise, yet Rogers was held in a higher level of esteem.
Among his influences at youth level were academy manager Mark Harrison and head of junior recruitment Steve Hopcroft, who each played a part in Rogers signing for Albion. Intriguingly, they both now work at Aston Villa in similar roles, with Harrison key in Villa’s move to sign Rogers.
“We first realised Morgan’s talent around the time he signed for the Baggies (West Brom’s unofficial nickname),” says Smith. “Every Thursday afternoon, to the envy of his class-mates, he would miss lessons to train. When he did manage to play for the school, he would be playing with boys two or three years older.
“Without being arrogant, we were a decent side that should have been winning most games, yet Morgan transformed us into being essentially unbeatable. It all came to a head in a cup final in 2013 — the last competitive game I played with Morgan. We won 4-0 and he scored all four.”
Smith recounts occasions when Rogers would take greater responsibility in the closing stages of matches, keeping the ball for longer. In one instance, Rogers — sensing it was time not to be quite so selfless — dribbled from the halfway line, taking on and beating four or five defenders on the way to winning a last-minute penalty.
“I was somehow captain and took penalties,” says Smith. “But I had to let Morgan take it because I knew 100 per cent he would score and win the game for us, which he did. It makes me chuckle to this day that I almost took it when I was nowhere near fit to lace his boots.”
After signing for City, Rogers spent the next 18 months adapting to life in Manchester, training and playing with the EDS squad with occasional call-ups to train with Guardiola’s title-winning senior side. He would excitedly tell friends about playing with Riyad Mahrez, Ruben Dias and a fellow West Midlands native, Jack Grealish. “It just always blew my mind,” Smith says.
In January 2021, Rogers was sent to Lincoln City of League One on loan for the remainder of that season. His technical learning at City was on course and in keeping with absorbing the nuances of a Guardiola winger, hugging the touchline and occasionally, towards the end of his first full season, spearheading the attack.
Rogers impressed on loan at Lincoln (Mike Hewitt/Getty Images)
The loan to Lincoln, in the third tier of the English game, was intended to aid his physical development. He was 18 but tall and slender — he is 6ft 3in (191cm) now — and needed bulking up.
Rogers’ City education meant he was effective in structured attacking systems. Under manager Michael Appleton at Lincoln, he worked on fashioning attacks from the left wing, combining with his overlapping full-back and the closest midfielders.
He made 28 League One appearances in that loan spell and finished with six goals and four assists, including a run of scoring three times in seven games in the March, which saw him voted the division’s young player of the month. The award underlined how crucial Rogers had become in injecting momentum to the end of Lincoln’s campaign. They made it to the play-off final at Wembley but lost 2-1 to Blackpool. Rogers played the full 90 minutes.
For 2021-22, City wanted Rogers to make the next step up in level after impressing in League One. He joined Championship promotion favourites Bournemouth on a season-long loan in the August in a deal incorporating a £9million option to buy plus various buy-back and sell-on clauses.
It did not go well.
He started one league match among 17 Bournemouth appearances, a goalless draw away to Peterborough United in the September where he missed the game’s best chance.
Rogers could never fully win over head coach Scott Parker and Bournemouth pushed for City to cut his stay short. Increasingly, his substitute cameos proved sporadic and on the occasions he was used, Bournemouth would often be in need of a goal and change to a back three, which meant Rogers playing in an unfamiliar and uncomfortable wing-back position.
Aside from an instinctive finish away to Luton Town in the middle of January, meaningful contributions were minimal and he returned to training with City’s EDS after a brief final cameo in the next match against Hull City. “He has probably tried a little bit too hard in certain moments,” said Parker. “He’s had limited time and he’s feeling that — it probably has had a negative effect on him.”
Even though Rogers toiled for form and minutes, staff at Bournemouth remember him fondly. He is described as quiet but polite, more comfortable with younger team-mates such as Jordan Zemura and Jaidon Anthony but generally well-liked. After Bournemouth secured promotion with Rogers by then back at City, players made a concerted effort for him to be part of their final-day celebrations.
“I didn’t need to let my standards drop,” Rogers said of that loan in a recent interview with The Athletic. “I had to demand more from myself. It’s hard to take a step back, but when I did, I looked at what I hope will be a massive career in football. I’ll be the first to admit I let the frustration get to me at Bournemouth.”
Rogers’ loan at Bournemouth did not work out on the pitch (Nathan Stirk/Getty Images)
With Rogers back in City’s EDS squad for the beginning of 2022-23, his career trajectory had been checked and he acknowledged he needed to find a middle ground.
Then, last January, a loan to Blackpool, then of the Championship, presented the perfect fit in theory; they had been keen to sign him a year before and Appleton, his old Lincoln boss, was the manager. Playing there proved tough — Appleton was sacked two weeks after Rogers’ arrival and they ended up getting relegated — yet hardened his learning and gave him greater responsibility as he was playing regularly.
Blackpool won three of their final five fixtures, with Rogers starting the last 10. He banked invaluable experience playing across the front line, including at centre-forward. He scored only once in 20 league appearances, the winner in the season finale away to Norwich City, for a side who finished second-bottom of the division, but he felt his progress would benefit in the long run.
Underlying numbers supported the notion; over the past 12 months, Morgan ranks in the top 12 per cent of attackers playing below the big five European domestic leagues, the Champions League and the Europa League for expected assists (xAG) per 90 minutes (0.30), and in the top 16 per cent for successful take-ons that lead to a shot (0.58 per 90).
“Blackpool were playing teams better than us every week,” said Rogers. “So you’ve got to adapt and still try to be effective in a game where you have minimal chances. It pushed me in a way I’d not had before. You notice how much it means; every point is massive.”
Rogers joined his sixth club last summer when Middlesbrough, who had lost in the Championship play-off semi-finals weeks earlier, signed him in a deal worth around £2million, with City retaining the hope of making a profit later down the line by including a sell-on clause.
Manager Michael Carrick noted his versatility and felt that if Rogers trusted himself, he would flourish. The task facing him on Teesside was potentially daunting given he was yet to translate his youthful promise into concrete evidence he could make it at senior level and he was among the attacking recruits set to replace Boro’s 28-goal 2022-23 top scorer Chuba Akpom, who joined Ajax last summer, and 11-goal Villa academy graduate Cameron Archer, who returned to his parent club before a permanent transfer to Sheffield United.
Aaron Danks, Carrick’s right-hand man, knew Rogers from their time together at West Brom, which eased his bedding-in process. The newcomer quickly grew in confidence, even if seven goals (five of them in the Carabao Cup, as Middlesbrough got to the semi-finals) in 33 appearances was a solid rather than spectacular return for his six months.
But Villa head coach Unai Emery, in part thanks to his customary and notorious lengthy analysis sessions, looked beyond surface-level data. Even before Villa’s FA Cup third-round tie at the Riverside on January 6, where Rogers would play as a No 10, Emery had become aware of his talent.
Emery’s analysis sessions are as extensive as they are detailed, with every opposition player deeply scrutinised. The Spaniard felt Rogers stood out in Villa’s 1-0 win and pressed the Premier League club’s ‘triangle of power’ to pursue a deal.
Villa had been considering another young Championship forward, Norwich City’s 20-year-old Jonathan Rowe, among their top targets internally and had sent scouts to watch him.
This remained the case into the final week of the winter window, until Villa eventually prevailed in their pursuit of Rogers with an overall package worth £15million and a five-and-a-half-year deal.
Emery views Rogers as a player who can be sculpted and refined within his system.
“We analysed him and follow him with a scout then as well when we played against Middlesbrough,” said the Spaniard. “He is a young player with potential and he can start his new chapter here. Hopefully he can progress here like we think he will do.”
The hope now is that, now back in the West Midlands, he can build on the potential that first emerged on that early April evening in Manchester four years ago.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 01, 2024, 01:48:16 PM
That Fabrizio Armano is one well dressed man.
By Giorgio, you're right!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 01, 2024, 01:54:13 PM
can he play in Europe?
Would have thought so. He wont be cup tied obviously. We'll get Carla Ward to check.
:)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 01, 2024, 01:56:24 PM
Villa fan ?
Olbiyun fan according to The Athletic, but the word on the street is that his first love is Halesowen Town.
Post by: pablo_picasso on February 01, 2024, 01:57:11 PM
Very good Athletic article.
Seems like he was very much expected to be the next big thing, Man City paid £4m for him. His loans didn't really pan out for him, but even so he seems an exciting prospect. A Baggies fan, not that it matters. Jacob Tanswell is an excellent correspondent.
Yeah, decent article. 👍
Post by: VillaTim on February 01, 2024, 01:58:06 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 01, 2024, 02:07:43 PM
The £4m price paid by Man City show just what high regard he was initially held in. Lets hope he can fulfil it with us.
Post by: LeeB on February 01, 2024, 02:08:14 PM
so he's an Albion fan
Nothing gets past Monsieur Poirot.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 01, 2024, 02:16:49 PM
I was at secondary school in the 80s with a lad called Morgan Rogers. He had rich parents, and in the 6th form they bought him an Opel Manta. All the girls fancied him. Git.
Anyway, Guten Morgan.
Ooh an Opel Manta, you say? All the boys wanted to be him and all the girls wanted to be with him.
Similarly, I think it was Damon Albarn, circa 1992, who, inebriated in some indie-dive, was heard to declare "The trick is to make the blokes wanna be ya, and the birds wanna shag ya".
Isn’t that just paraphrasing Ray Davies’ lyrics on David Watts?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2024, 02:18:49 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 01, 2024, 02:27:46 PM
Please be good Morgan.
He will be, in Unai we trust!
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on February 01, 2024, 02:51:34 PM
Got to be better than Zaniolo as an option off the bench.
Post by: eamonn on February 01, 2024, 02:56:07 PM
I was at secondary school in the 80s with a lad called Morgan Rogers. He had rich parents, and in the 6th form they bought him an Opel Manta. All the girls fancied him. Git.
Anyway, Guten Morgan.
Ooh an Opel Manta, you say? All the boys wanted to be him and all the girls wanted to be with him.
Similarly, I think it was Damon Albarn, circa 1992, who, inebriated in some indie-dive, was heard to declare "The trick is to make the blokes wanna be ya, and the birds wanna shag ya".
Isn’t that just paraphrasing Ray Davies’ lyrics on David Watts?
Albarn was listening to The Kinks a lot at the time.
Post by: Ads on February 01, 2024, 03:09:03 PM
Post by: VillaTim on February 01, 2024, 03:11:24 PM
some on here were saying he was a Villa fanso he's an Albion fan
Nothing gets past Monsieur Poirot.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 01, 2024, 05:03:58 PM
Post by: VillaTim on February 01, 2024, 05:07:12 PM
It hardly matters. Merson was and still is a huge Chelsea fan even though he played at Arsenal for 14 years and won loads. He loved his time with us, but openly admits he's Chelsea, then Arsenal then Villa.i have no issues with it, in the same way Watkins supports Arsenal but loves scoring against them
Post by: not3bad on February 01, 2024, 08:11:51 PM
Post by: dave shelley on February 01, 2024, 08:18:51 PM
Post by: Risso on February 01, 2024, 10:34:43 PM
Good lad!
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on February 02, 2024, 03:44:50 AM
What Have Aston Villa Seen in £16m Morgan Rogers?
JAN 31, 2024
ALI TWEEDALE / AUTHOR, MATT SISNEROS / DESIGN
Just six months on from signing for Middlesbrough for £1m, Morgan Rogers is heading back to the Premier League for 16 times that amount. We take a look a why Aston Villa have decided to splash out on him.
Morgan Rogers’ move to Aston Villa is a curious one.
The 21-year-old only moved to Middlesbrough from Manchester City in the summer, and cost just £1 million back then. Now, six months on, he has secured his return to the Premier League with Aston Villa for potentially 16 times that fee. Reports on Tuesday suggested that his transfer to Villa would cost an initial £8m and eventually up to £16m with all add-ons included.
At a time when there is also talk that Villa have considered the possibility of selling a prized asset – someone like Jacob Ramsey – to guarantee compliance with Premier League profitability and sustainability rules come the end of the season, it’s a surprise to see them spending a far-from-insignificant sum on a player who has only 28 Championship starts to his name. In his half-season with Middlesbrough, Rogers hadn’t even convinced many of his own supporters of his worth. There have been a fair few raised eyebrows among their fans that Rogers is stepping up to a club at the top end of the Premier League for so much money.
So, what exactly have Aston Villa seen in Rogers that convinced them to sign him?
The first thing to say is that he is still very young and incredibly raw. He has only played 5,106 league minutes as a professional, with just 54% of those coming in the second tier (2,773). So, signing him is a gamble, but Villa presumably see the potential upside as worth paying for right now. Whether he can play a part for the first team straight away is another matter entirely.
Rogers is an attacking midfielder who likes to get into positions between the lines to link play, preferring to start in a number 10 position and roam from there. In Michael Carrick’s 4-2-3-1 at Boro, there was the perfect spot for him in behind the striker, which is where he played most of the time for them this season.
morgan rogers positions played Middlesbrough
He can also play out wide or up front, but his inclination is always to move into central positions because he likes to receive the ball to feet. That is naturally a useful trait in certain regards, not least because by moving away from his starting position he gives his direct opponent a decision to make as to whether to follow him. But at the same time, his team can lose out from him moving away from the position he is supposed to be occupying. For example, when he plays up front, he will rarely pin the centre-backs deep in their own territory, and when he is out wide, he doesn’t stretch the opposition’s defence by hugging the touchline and pulling a full-back away from the centre-backs.
morgan rogers touch zones Middlesbrough 2023-24
He is, however, very adept at receiving in tight spaces so he is well-suited to getting on the ball between the lines. He is very comfortable receiving on the half-turn, has a fantastic first touch and scans constantly, so when the ball comes his way he often manages to move play on with one touch, whether that is to a teammate he is facing or by turning towards goal and progressing play. He ranks 12th in the Championship of players with 1,000+ minutes played for successful layoffs per 90 (1.7), and second for through balls per 90 (0.8), behind only Alex Pritchard (0.9).
morgan rogers through balls 2023-24
Rogers prefers to create rather than go for goal himself, something that is reflected in his record of six assists and just two goals in the Championship this season. He ranks ninth in the Championship for assists despite starting only half (14 of 28) of Boro’s games, but jumps up to second when looking at assists per 90 (0.42) among players with at least 1,000 minutes to their name.
He is within the Championship’s top 10 players for the season for chances created per 90 (2.6) among the same group of players, while only Leicester’s on-loan Sporting CP winger Abdul Fatawu (1.2) has created more big chances per 90 than him (0.8). Rogers also ranks seventh in the division for expected assists (xA) per 90, with 0.29, and jumps up to third when just looking at open-play expected assists per 90, with the vast majority of his contributions coming in open play (0.28 xA) rather than at dead balls situations.
He likes to move play forward by carrying the ball, too, averaging 10.5 carries – moving with the ball at least five metres – per 90 this season, with 5.4 of those deemed ‘progressive’ – moving with the ball at least five metres towards the opposition’s goal, as well as ranking in the top 20 for both dribbles attempted (4.7) and completed (1.7) per 90. He is yet to marry his ball-carrying with end product, though; he has followed up only seven of his 152 carries all season by creating a chance for a teammate.
morgan rogers chance creating carries
Whenever he gets the opportunity, Rogers will look to play a killer pass, but that eagerness to affect the game is both a strength and a weakness. He wants to play the final pass or make the biggest possible impact whenever he gets on the ball. It speaks to a confidence in a player who impressed so much while playing against Manchester City for West Brom in the FA Youth Cup semi-final in 2019 that City chose to sign him. You want your young players to be confident and to try difficult things that have the potential to be telling, but Rogers gives the ball away slightly too frequently.
He has lost possession on average 18.3 times per 90 minutes played, which puts him in the top 20 in the Championship this season, and means that 34% of his touches lead to him losing the ball.
It is natural that attackers complete fewer passes than other players, but his pass success rate of 72.2% is remarkably low given he plays in a possession-dominant team under Carrick. Many of the best players in the world give the ball away often when trying ambitious things – for example, Bruno Fernandes has lost possession more times than any other player in the Premier League this season (430) – but they also produce key contributions more than anyone else. He may have to curb some of those creative instincts when making the step up to Premier League level.
He did catch the eye against Chelsea in the EFL Cup semi-final last week, though, and Villa fans will be hoping his well-taken goal, struck from the edge of the box – which took his record in the competition this season to five goals and two assists in five starts and one substitute appearance – is an indication that he has what it takes to make it at the highest level.
There is unquestionably plenty of talent there and bags of potential, and Villa have clearly deemed Rogers’ possible improvement worth taking a reasonably expensive risk on.
Don’t expect him to have a huge impact on first-team proceedings too quickly, but Rogers could be one to keep an eye on in the coming years if Villa manage his development well.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 02, 2024, 06:45:03 AM
Post by: OCD on February 02, 2024, 10:14:51 AM
“Favourite TV programme? Suits.”
Good lad!
Well up until the point that Mike Ross leaves anyway.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 02, 2024, 12:03:12 PM
That's quite a shocking statistic. We really don't need players who give the ball away or get tackled easily. I wonder what role for him Emery has in mind?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 02, 2024, 12:06:57 PM
He has lost possession on average 18.3 times per 90 minutes played
That's quite a shocking statistic. We really don't need players who give the ball away or get tackled easily. I wonder what role for him Emery has in mind?
That can't be right.
Post by: Dogtanian on February 02, 2024, 12:07:05 PM
He has lost possession on average 18.3 times per 90 minutes played
That's quite a shocking statistic. We really don't need players who give the ball away or get tackled easily. I wonder what role for him Emery has in mind?
How high is it normally for an attacking player? I imagine someone who takes more risks or is playing a lot of final balls will have a higher figure than other more conservative players, but no idea what is normal.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 02, 2024, 12:10:09 PM
He has lost possession on average 18.3 times per 90 minutes playedHe can have a competition with Zaniolo.
That's quite a shocking statistic. We really don't need players who give the ball away or get tackled easily. I wonder what role for him Emery has in mind?
Post by: eamonn on February 02, 2024, 12:21:34 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 02, 2024, 12:26:29 PM
He has lost possession on average 18.3 times per 90 minutes played
That's quite a shocking statistic. We really don't need players who give the ball away or get tackled easily. I wonder what role for him Emery has in mind?
How high is it normally for an attacking player? I imagine someone who takes more risks or is playing a lot of final balls will have a higher figure than other more conservative players, but no idea what is normal.
If you look at it positively he must be seeing a lot of the ball so is influential. I assume his losing of possession is in the final third of the pitch too.
Post by: eamonn on February 02, 2024, 12:32:53 PM
Post by: Rigadon on February 02, 2024, 12:32:53 PM
Yes but it also says Bruno has lost possession more than any other player in the PL, 430 times. And we'd all take him, let's be honest.
I’ll accept ‘Fernandes’ or ‘rat face’. This talk of ‘Bruno’ can stay on other Man Utd centric forums. Like the bbc sports website.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 02, 2024, 12:49:33 PM
Yes but it also says Bruno has lost possession more than any other player in the PL, 430 times. And we'd all take him, let's be honest.
I’ll accept ‘Fernandes’ or ‘rat face’. This talk of ‘Bruno’ can stay on other Man Utd centric forums. Like the bbc sports website.
Exactly, there's only one Bruno and that's Bruno Tonioli.
Post by: Chris Stares on February 02, 2024, 12:50:31 PM
This!Yes but it also says Bruno has lost possession more than any other player in the PL, 430 times. And we'd all take him, let's be honest.
I’ll accept ‘Fernandes’ or ‘rat face’. This talk of ‘Bruno’ can stay on other Man Utd centric forums. Like the bbc sports website.
Post by: Dogtanian on February 02, 2024, 01:06:43 PM
Yes but it also says Bruno has lost possession more than any other player in the PL, 430 times. And we'd all take him, let's be honest.
I’ll accept ‘Fernandes’ or ‘rat face’. This talk of ‘Bruno’ can stay on other Man Utd centric forums. Like the bbc sports website.
Exactly, there's only one Bruno and that's Bruno Tonioli.
Named after my sister's childhood gerbil, you know.
Post by: eamonn on February 02, 2024, 02:02:09 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 02, 2024, 02:19:13 PM
Yes but it also says Bruno has lost possession more than any other player in the PL, 430 times. And we'd all take him, let's be honest.
If he paid us I would not want that rat faced, cheating fucking scumbag anywhere our club
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 02, 2024, 04:21:56 PM
Yes but it also says Bruno has lost possession more than any other player in the PL, 430 times. And we'd all take him, let's be honest.
I’ll accept ‘Fernandes’ or ‘rat face’. This talk of ‘Bruno’ can stay on other Man Utd centric forums. Like the bbc sports website.
Exactly, there's only one Bruno and that's Bruno Tonioli.
One for me too. Indelicato.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 02, 2024, 04:25:10 PM
Post by: Ian. on February 02, 2024, 04:38:36 PM
Yes but it also says Bruno has lost possession more than any other player in the PL, 430 times. And we'd all take him, let's be honest.
I’ll accept ‘Fernandes’ or ‘rat face’. This talk of ‘Bruno’ can stay on other Man Utd centric forums. Like the bbc sports website.
Exactly, there's only one Bruno and that's Bruno Tonioli.
We don't talk about Bruno
Post by: Drummond on February 02, 2024, 04:39:38 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/YdygC7w/MV5-BMTUw-NDIw-NDE5-MV5-BMl5-Ban-Bn-Xk-Ft-ZTcw-MDA2-Mz-A1-Mg-V1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YdygC7w)
Post by: Risso on February 02, 2024, 05:49:23 PM
We don't talk about Bruno
FFS Ian, took me about a year to get that out of my head!
Post by: Ian. on February 02, 2024, 05:50:27 PM
Sorry! Great film thoughWe don't talk about Bruno
FFS Ian, took me about a year to get that out of my head!
Post by: footywithuti on February 03, 2024, 11:47:09 AM
https://youtu.be/ry7EGYkcv7U?si=9DfGGeuIRKkxbNEn
Post by: Rigadon on February 03, 2024, 11:49:54 AM
The best debut I can recall (pretty sure it was his debut, but given I was about 10 I can't be 100% sure and can't be arsed to look!) was Mr Didier Six v Man Utd. He never seemed to hit the same heights after, but he seemed so exotic to my eyes back then.
Post by: VillaTim on February 03, 2024, 11:52:18 AM
Best debut i saw was a double - Stuart and Andy Gray at Bradford. Epic game
Post by: john2710 on February 03, 2024, 11:54:38 AM
Yes but it also says Bruno has lost possession more than any other player in the PL, 430 times. And we'd all take him, let's be honest.
If he paid us I would not want that rat faced, cheating fucking scumbag anywhere our club
Most of us would have said the same about John Terry.
Post by: Risso on February 03, 2024, 11:56:59 AM
Morning everyone, here’s a short video detailing everything you need to know about Morgan Rogers in 2 minutes for those of you interested. Wicked talent and I’m glad Villa were able to get this one over the line after 3 failed bids. Hope you find this useful, have a good weekend and feel free to ask me any questions you may have, cheers!
https://youtu.be/ry7EGYkcv7U?si=9DfGGeuIRKkxbNEn
I do enjoy these short vids, especially the random bad language. "Works his tits off" ace!
Post by: Monty on February 03, 2024, 12:09:27 PM
Morning everyone, here’s a short video detailing everything you need to know about Morgan Rogers in 2 minutes for those of you interested. Wicked talent and I’m glad Villa were able to get this one over the line after 3 failed bids. Hope you find this useful, have a good weekend and feel free to ask me any questions you may have, cheers!
https://youtu.be/ry7EGYkcv7U?si=9DfGGeuIRKkxbNEn
I do enjoy these short vids, especially the random bad language. "Works his tits off" ace!
Me too, very informative!
Post by: Drummond on February 03, 2024, 01:10:23 PM
It's always exciting watching new arrivals, so I'm looking forward to seeing him play.
The best debut I can recall (pretty sure it was his debut, but given I was about 10 I can't be 100% sure and can't be arsed to look!) was Mr Didier Six v Man Utd. He never seemed to hit the same heights after, but he seemed so exotic to my eyes back then.
I remember a (I think South American) midfielder we signed who played such a good long cross field ball on his debut I thought he'd be ace, and now I can't even remember his name.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 03, 2024, 01:15:46 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 03, 2024, 01:18:35 PM
Calvert-Lewin holds on to the ball for too long almost to Kodjia levels.
Hopefully Rogers will be better at that.
Post by: eamonn on February 03, 2024, 01:37:37 PM
Calvert-Lewin holds on to the ball for too long almost to Kodjia levels.
Whats that got to do with Buck Rodgers?!
Post by: Clampy on February 03, 2024, 01:44:07 PM
Calvert-Lewin holds on to the ball for too long almost to Kodjia levels.
Whats that got to do with Buck Rodgers?!
I think he's gonna make it.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 03, 2024, 02:33:59 PM
Post by: Smithy on February 03, 2024, 02:34:16 PM
It's always exciting watching new arrivals, so I'm looking forward to seeing him play.
The best debut I can recall (pretty sure it was his debut, but given I was about 10 I can't be 100% sure and can't be arsed to look!) was Mr Didier Six v Man Utd. He never seemed to hit the same heights after, but he seemed so exotic to my eyes back then.
I remember a (I think South American) midfielder we signed who played such a good long cross field ball on his debut I thought he'd be ace, and now I can't even remember his name.
This is going to sound really weird, but do you mean Carlos Sanchez, the Columbian? Because if you do, I think I actually remember that pass - which is a VERY strange thing to remember, considering last year I almost forgot my missus' birthday!
Post by: eamonn on February 03, 2024, 02:38:05 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 03, 2024, 03:01:28 PM
It's always exciting watching new arrivals, so I'm looking forward to seeing him play.
The best debut I can recall (pretty sure it was his debut, but given I was about 10 I can't be 100% sure and can't be arsed to look!) was Mr Didier Six v Man Utd. He never seemed to hit the same heights after, but he seemed so exotic to my eyes back then.
I remember a (I think South American) midfielder we signed who played such a good long cross field ball on his debut I thought he'd be ace, and now I can't even remember his name.
This is going to sound really weird, but do you mean Carlos Sanchez, the Columbian? Because if you do, I think I actually remember that pass - which is a VERY strange thing to remember, considering last year I almost forgot my missus' birthday!
Yep that's the one. That pass was perfect and I thought our midfield issues were being solved.
Post by: VillaTim on February 03, 2024, 03:12:41 PM
Post by: Smithy on February 03, 2024, 03:43:49 PM
It's always exciting watching new arrivals, so I'm looking forward to seeing him play.
The best debut I can recall (pretty sure it was his debut, but given I was about 10 I can't be 100% sure and can't be arsed to look!) was Mr Didier Six v Man Utd. He never seemed to hit the same heights after, but he seemed so exotic to my eyes back then.
I remember a (I think South American) midfielder we signed who played such a good long cross field ball on his debut I thought he'd be ace, and now I can't even remember his name.
This is going to sound really weird, but do you mean Carlos Sanchez, the Columbian? Because if you do, I think I actually remember that pass - which is a VERY strange thing to remember, considering last year I almost forgot my missus' birthday!
Yep that's the one. That pass was perfect and I thought our midfield issues were being solved.
On the subject of great passes on debut, I still remember Isiah Osborne playing a brilliant lofted reverse pass into the path of an onrushing winger on his first or second appearance, and thinking "blimey, this kid could be our playmaker for the next ten years!"
Post by: Risso on February 03, 2024, 03:46:14 PM
On the subject of great passes on debut, I still remember Isiah Osborne playing a brilliant lofted reverse pass into the path of an onrushing winger on his first or second appearance, and thinking "blimey, this kid could be our playmaker for the next ten years!"
Similarly, Barry Bannan with a sublime pass to Mark Albrighton for a great goal (against Fulham?)
Post by: eamonn on February 03, 2024, 03:54:48 PM
Post by: Risso on February 03, 2024, 07:33:46 PM
Post by: Dave P on February 03, 2024, 07:40:10 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on February 04, 2024, 03:29:51 AM
Good to see him get some minutes, should have marked it with a goal. Nice run to be in the right spot though.
Yeah, it was a shame.
Post by: ROBBO on February 04, 2024, 08:13:15 AM
Post by: rob_bridge on February 04, 2024, 08:49:58 AM
I know you can only beat whats in front of you but oh dear they were diabolical. I thought their player soon to be our player again was their best when he came on.
Yes but we didn't wait around to find out how average they were unlike 6 weeks ago
Post by: AV82EC on February 04, 2024, 09:24:17 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on February 04, 2024, 10:55:14 AM
Good to see him get some minutes, should have marked it with a goal. Nice run to be in the right spot though.
Yeah, it was a shame.
I wonder how we’d all be feeling about him if it had been 0-0 when he missed that one and more importantly how he’d be felling himself.
Post by: Somniloquism on February 04, 2024, 12:51:05 PM
I wonder how we’d all be feeling about him if it had been 0-0 when he missed that one and more importantly how he’d be felling himself.
If it was 0-0 we might not have seen him or he would have been playing with the better creative players still on the pitch......
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 04, 2024, 01:00:10 PM
Post by: Smithy on February 04, 2024, 01:54:34 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on February 04, 2024, 03:08:17 PM
I was quite surprised to see him get his debut. I didn't expect him to be make much of a contribution to the first team in the first few weeks, as it seems like Unai has a very disciplined tactical approach, and you'd need to time to get up to speed with exactly what's expected of you. But pleased for him, and hopefully a few more cameos and chances as he gets up to speed. Also, he seems like quite a big unit for a tricky winger/attacker? Or was it just deceptive in the highlights?
No; he is a big unit.
Watched the Teerside Wearside Derby earlier and they pointed out that Rogers was top of the Smogmonsters' goals plus assists stats.
Post by: OCD on February 04, 2024, 04:57:48 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 05, 2024, 08:39:28 AM
Nice little cameo and he seemed to fit into the structure very well. Seemed strong on the ball and comfortable in possession. Be interested to see how he deals with games with more intensity.Did you watch a different debut to me? He missed a great chance and volleyed a throw-in straight back out to touch. I can't really recall the comfortable in possession bit tbh.
Not that it matters, he's got time to grow into the role and I'm glad he's got his debut under his belt.
Post by: VillaTim on February 05, 2024, 08:44:17 AM
Post by: Clampy on February 05, 2024, 08:45:12 AM
Nice little cameo and he seemed to fit into the structure very well. Seemed strong on the ball and comfortable in possession. Be interested to see how he deals with games with more intensity.Did you watch a different debut to me? He missed a great chance and volleyed a throw-in straight back out to touch. I can't really recall the comfortable in possession bit tbh.
Not that it matters, he's got time to grow into the role and I'm glad he's got his debut under his belt.
Not that it matters but you bring up his two faults during a 9 minute debut appearance? What's the point in that?
Post by: London Villan on February 05, 2024, 08:46:54 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 05, 2024, 09:04:27 AM
"Seemed strong on the ball and comfortable in possession" just didn't seem to be an accurate description of what I saw on the day. I prefer to call it as I see it rather than make stuff up.Nice little cameo and he seemed to fit into the structure very well. Seemed strong on the ball and comfortable in possession. Be interested to see how he deals with games with more intensity.Did you watch a different debut to me? He missed a great chance and volleyed a throw-in straight back out to touch. I can't really recall the comfortable in possession bit tbh.
Not that it matters, he's got time to grow into the role and I'm glad he's got his debut under his belt.
Not that it matters but you bring up his two faults during a 9 minute debut appearance? What's the point in that?
Post by: Risso on February 05, 2024, 09:11:18 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 05, 2024, 09:13:32 AM
Post by: Clampy on February 05, 2024, 09:17:21 AM
Unbelievable.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 05, 2024, 09:20:25 AM
Well, as long as pointing out his faults on his 9 minute debut has made you content, then fair enough.I was calling out the post more than the player himself. What's the point of making stuff up? If you saw a player strong on the ball and comfortable in possession then great. That's not what I saw, but I must admit to being a bit distracted by the lads with their bellies out singing the Kamara song, which was funnier than it sounds.
Unbelievable.
Post by: nigel on February 05, 2024, 09:23:44 AM
On the subject of great passes on debut, I still remember Isiah Osborne playing a brilliant lofted reverse pass into the path of an onrushing winger on his first or second appearance, and thinking "blimey, this kid could be our playmaker for the next ten years!"
Similarly, Barry Bannan with a sublime pass to Mark Albrighton for a great goal (against Fulham?)
Remember that pass, absolutely sublime. Landed about a metre in front of Albrighton who didn’t break stride.
Around that time Charlie Adam hit an identical sort of pass, but into a load of space, a player ran about 20 metres on to the ball. Pundits were w@nking themselves off say what an amazing pass, what vision!!!
Bannan’s never got a mention
Post by: eamonn on February 05, 2024, 09:23:56 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 05, 2024, 09:33:51 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on February 05, 2024, 09:36:02 AM
Well, as long as pointing out his faults on his 9 minute debut has made you content, then fair enough.I was calling out the post more than the player himself. What's the point of making stuff up? If you saw a player strong on the ball and comfortable in possession then great. That's not what I saw, but I must admit to being a bit distracted by the lads with their bellies out singing the Kamara song, which was funnier than it sounds.
Unbelievable.
They were right in front of us, and it was distracting. One of them had the strangest back hair I've ever seen.
Post by: Risso on February 05, 2024, 09:39:50 AM
Clampy only sees the good in Villa things.
And the bad in H&V posters. Still, whatever gets him through the day.
Post by: Clampy on February 05, 2024, 09:48:53 AM
Post by: Risso on February 05, 2024, 09:52:18 AM
How much do I owe you by the way Risso? It's ok, I seem to be living rent free in your head lately. Still, whatever gets you through the day
Your posts are about as interesting the stuff that goes on that SHA forum, I just don't like how 90% of your posts are having a go at somebody. But you've been doing it for 20 years now, so you must enjoy it.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 05, 2024, 09:59:08 AM
Post by: Clampy on February 05, 2024, 10:02:56 AM
How much do I owe you by the way Risso? It's ok, I seem to be living rent free in your head lately. Still, whatever gets you through the day
Your posts are about as interesting the stuff that goes on that SHA forum, I just don't like how 90% of your posts are having a go at somebody. But you've been doing it for 20 years now, so you must enjoy it.
Coming for someone who posts childish 'Clampy to the Thread' nonsense.
Let's leave it there shall we?
Post by: Drummond on February 05, 2024, 10:06:01 AM
Post by: VillaTim on February 05, 2024, 10:09:08 AM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 05, 2024, 10:22:50 AM
Post by: AV82EC on February 05, 2024, 11:00:53 AM
"Seemed strong on the ball and comfortable in possession" just didn't seem to be an accurate description of what I saw on the day. I prefer to call it as I see it rather than make stuff up.Nice little cameo and he seemed to fit into the structure very well. Seemed strong on the ball and comfortable in possession. Be interested to see how he deals with games with more intensity.Did you watch a different debut to me? He missed a great chance and volleyed a throw-in straight back out to touch. I can't really recall the comfortable in possession bit tbh.
Not that it matters, he's got time to grow into the role and I'm glad he's got his debut under his belt.
Not that it matters but you bring up his two faults during a 9 minute debut appearance? What's the point in that?
So I’m making stuff up with what I saw? You saw it differently, that’s fine, there’s no need to rubbish those of us who saw something else.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 05, 2024, 11:23:06 AM
Righto, but given Risso's 4 touches comment, the other two must have been pretty good."Seemed strong on the ball and comfortable in possession" just didn't seem to be an accurate description of what I saw on the day. I prefer to call it as I see it rather than make stuff up.Nice little cameo and he seemed to fit into the structure very well. Seemed strong on the ball and comfortable in possession. Be interested to see how he deals with games with more intensity.Did you watch a different debut to me? He missed a great chance and volleyed a throw-in straight back out to touch. I can't really recall the comfortable in possession bit tbh.
Not that it matters, he's got time to grow into the role and I'm glad he's got his debut under his belt.
Not that it matters but you bring up his two faults during a 9 minute debut appearance? What's the point in that?
So I’m making stuff up with what I saw? You saw it differently, that’s fine, there’s no need to rubbish those of us who saw something else.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 05, 2024, 11:45:02 AM
I knew there would be a bust up on here about him, as someone would moan about his wayward goal attempt or similar. I was just glad he got on the pitch and had his first minutes, my observation was that he was working his balls off and looked almost a bit too keen to please. Thankfully we haven't seem much in terms of row z shots over the past 12 months or so but i'm going to say it was a rush of blood on his debut. Early days is a massive understatement though, and as it stands i think he (and for that matter Moussa and Duran) will give us plenty of quality moments over the next few years.
Post by: paul_e on February 05, 2024, 11:47:05 AM
:-)
I knew there would be a bust up on here about him, as someone would moan about his wayward goal attempt or similar. I was just glad he got on the pitch and had his first minutes, my observation was that he was working his balls off and looked almost a bit too keen to please. Thankfully we haven't seem much in terms of row z shots over the past 12 months or so but i'm going to say it was a rush of blood on his debut. Early days is a massive understatement though, and as it stands i think he (and for that matter Moussa and Duran) will give us plenty of quality moments over the next few years.
Yep, for me he tried to thunderc**t it into the net when a little more composure probably would've been better but I'm not gonig to worry about that from a young player making his debut in a game that had already been over for an hour by the time he came on.
Post by: VillaTim on February 05, 2024, 11:55:13 AM
:-)cross was pulled back slightly behind him
I knew there would be a bust up on here about him, as someone would moan about his wayward goal attempt or similar. I was just glad he got on the pitch and had his first minutes, my observation was that he was working his balls off and looked almost a bit too keen to please. Thankfully we haven't seem much in terms of row z shots over the past 12 months or so but i'm going to say it was a rush of blood on his debut. Early days is a massive understatement though, and as it stands i think he (and for that matter Moussa and Duran) will give us plenty of quality moments over the next few years.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 05, 2024, 12:05:30 PM
Post by: Goldie.7 on February 05, 2024, 12:23:32 PM
He gives me prime Ashley Young vibes, both were/are 21 when signing as well. No pressure then. ;)
Post by: Bad English on February 05, 2024, 12:44:56 PM
Post by: exigo on February 05, 2024, 12:45:55 PM
Post by: VillaTim on February 05, 2024, 01:18:50 PM
It was noticeable that after that shot, Ollie went straight up to him with words of encouragement. Rogers will be a good signing for us, he's played for England at every age level, he's no idiot.Watkins was just consoling his younger, taller brother after he spooned his shot literally into Bramall Lane out the back
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 05, 2024, 01:20:20 PM
Good to see him get some minutes, should have marked it with a goal. Nice run to be in the right spot though.
Yeah, it was a shame.
I wonder how we’d all be feeling about him if it had been 0-0 when he missed that one and more importantly how he’d be felling himself.
Certainly would not have been pulling up any trees.
Post by: waynejames on February 05, 2024, 03:06:54 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 05, 2024, 03:12:53 PM
Post by: London Villan on February 05, 2024, 03:16:47 PM
Post by: Risso on February 05, 2024, 03:20:56 PM
How many games has Zaniolo got before the option to buy is triggered?
By my reckoning he could play all the rest of the games this season, bar one, and it wouldn't trigger the option. As it sounds like he's going to be out for a while now, I think that it's something Emery won't have to worry about, ie he'll be able to play him when he likes when Zaniolo returns, and then decide whether he wants him or not without having a compulsory clause to worry about.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 05, 2024, 03:24:45 PM
Good to see him get some minutes, should have marked it with a goal. Nice run to be in the right spot though.
Yeah, it was a shame.
I wonder how we’d all be feeling about him if it had been 0-0 when he missed that one and more importantly how he’d be felling himself.
Certainly would not have been pulling up any trees.
Yes but that wasnt the scenario , seems abit unfair , but i would sell him , First !
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 05, 2024, 03:32:27 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 05, 2024, 04:02:47 PM
Had it been 0-0 he wouldn't have been on the pitch i'm sure. I'd say after only being at the club for 3 days and not playing in the PL before Emery wouldn't have put him out there in expectation of turning itt. I think we'd have stayed as we started till quite late and then the likes of Moussa and Ramsey would have come on to try to get the late goal.Agreed, the minutes were a bonus and I'm sure valuable experience.
Post by: DrGonzo on February 05, 2024, 05:28:52 PM
Post by: FatSam on February 05, 2024, 08:59:09 PM
Zaniolney won't get a wiff of a game now unless Watkins or Rogers get injured. Rogers might be used out wide from time to time‘Zaniolney’. Childish, but I like it.
Post by: Legion on February 05, 2024, 09:12:04 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/ysVywM1/FB-IMG-1707164241621.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ysVywM1)
Post by: Demitri_C on February 12, 2024, 07:18:49 AM
Post by: frank black on February 12, 2024, 08:48:14 AM
I cant believe he didnt get minutes yesterday. Id rather have seen him come on than zaniolo. After all the time its taken to get him has only had 10 mins so far. Not sure why unai never used him yesterday would have been a great opportunity to give him some minutes and home debut
Probably wants to start him off in games where he won’t have too much pressure. Probably see him come on in one of the euro games if we are cruising
Post by: Demitri_C on February 12, 2024, 09:21:11 AM
I cant believe he didnt get minutes yesterday. Id rather have seen him come on than zaniolo. After all the time its taken to get him has only had 10 mins so far. Not sure why unai never used him yesterday would have been a great opportunity to give him some minutes and home debut
Probably wants to start him off in games where he won’t have too much pressure. Probably see him come on in one of the euro games if we are cruising
Yeah but my concern is once durans back he will get even less game time. I think he should be given more opportunities than zaniolo has. 1 goal in league all season. Awful. I think rodgers can better that. Emery needs to have more faith in the youbger players i feel
Post by: Risso on February 12, 2024, 09:22:22 AM
Post by: Mister E on February 12, 2024, 09:45:04 AM
I think Rogers will get more time than Duran, as he's Emery's player. I reckon Duran will be off in the summer, permanently.Yep, said the same yesterday. I think Duran is history for us. However, I too was surprised that Z came on yesterday rather than Ted (when he did, he looked totally lost; not a player for us).
Post by: Risso on February 12, 2024, 10:04:20 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 12, 2024, 10:09:22 AM
The Zaniolo experiment needs to stop. He's very poor, and I'd rather give minutes to Rogers who's our player now for years to come.
Agree 100%. He is useless. So slow and just generally pants. Not good enough at this level.
I agree duran will be moved on too. Let him go chelsea
Post by: London Villan on February 12, 2024, 10:10:40 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 12, 2024, 10:12:54 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 12, 2024, 10:13:11 AM
Would Rogers be able to play in the "close to Watkins" role that McGinn played yesterday?
He might be able to but for me id put diaby there. We had our best success there when pau was back at cb and thats what i would go back to when paus fit
Post by: OCD on February 12, 2024, 10:26:30 AM
Post by: VillaTim on February 12, 2024, 10:30:09 AM
I think it's ambitious to expect too much from him this season. I wouldn't think he's anywhere near starting is he?nope . one for the future
Post by: chrisw1 on February 26, 2024, 06:22:55 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on February 26, 2024, 07:06:18 PM
We may see some more game time for Rogers as the season progresses, especially in the event that we get towards a European final.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 02, 2024, 11:55:06 AM
Even if that does not happen, let's hope he gets some game time later today, and we can all assess his performance in this personal player specifications thread.
It would be excellent for his confidence if he took his next scoring opportunity, as he has shown some great touches but has struggled with finishing and appears raw. I believe he has what it takes due to his footy intelligence and does have strong footy shooting skills just needs to relax and I hope to see him get more game experience today and the four games in 10 days so he becomes more familiar with the play style and contributes to the attack.
Post by: Dogtanian on March 02, 2024, 12:01:47 PM
Post by: VillaTim on March 02, 2024, 12:17:23 PM
Post by: OCD on March 02, 2024, 12:33:15 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on March 02, 2024, 01:18:38 PM
Yes, I think Duran will be off at the end of the season. After a year of warming the subs bench I think it's fairly clear that Emery doesn't rate him.
Post by: Mister E on March 02, 2024, 02:48:27 PM
Has Rodgers leapfrogged Duran in the pecking orderWell, Duran has not been fit since Rogers arrived so I don't we can say either way.
Post by: OCD on March 02, 2024, 02:55:58 PM
Post by: VillaTim on March 02, 2024, 03:09:44 PM
He's quite a big lad, might be interesting to see how he stands up to the physical presence Luton have. Certainly more than, say, Zaniolo will offer.be nice if we can get a few bob back on him , seems a crap signing
Yes, I think Duran will be off at the end of the season. After a year of warming the subs bench I think it's fairly clear that Emery doesn't rate him.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 02, 2024, 03:10:45 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 02, 2024, 03:24:01 PM
Yes let's focus on Rodgers he's the future.
Is that an early 80s TV reference?
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 02, 2024, 06:33:29 PM
Class act
Post by: Mister E on March 02, 2024, 06:38:16 PM
Yes let's focus on Rodgers he's the future.I'd rather focus on Rogers.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 02, 2024, 06:45:01 PM
You say tomatoesYes let's focus on Rodgers he's the future.I'd rather focus on Rogers.
That's obviously the same person as I highlighted on player specific thread.
Well I had a feeling he would be involved.
Post by: Mister E on March 02, 2024, 07:04:57 PM
different spelling...You say tomatoesYes let's focus on Rodgers he's the future.I'd rather focus on Rogers.
That's obviously the same person as I highlighted on player specific thread.
Well I had a feeling he would be involved.
Post by: Demitri_C on March 02, 2024, 07:11:04 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 02, 2024, 07:13:25 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on March 02, 2024, 07:20:16 PM
All the attack has been anonymous. They closed out the spaces and pushed us more.
More like we didnt bother attacking or both holding onto thw ball better. Inviting constant pressure on ourselves
Post by: aldridgeboy on March 02, 2024, 07:48:59 PM
It doesn’t , he’s not great and maybe could have been sent off
But a player in there definitely. He should always come on ahead of Zaniolo.
To be fair , I should come on ahead of zaniolo
Post by: Steve67 on March 02, 2024, 09:48:32 PM
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Post by: Matt C on March 02, 2024, 09:50:02 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on March 02, 2024, 10:02:57 PM
He was one more foul away from a red too, it was the right call to get him off before the referee was given another excuse to give a decision against us.
Absolutely the right call, as we couldn't afford to go down to ten men and he was walking that tightrope. Thought he looked promising on the ball, but struggled defensively in the second half.
Post by: VillaTim on March 02, 2024, 10:08:28 PM
Post by: ROBBO on March 02, 2024, 11:42:02 PM
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 03, 2024, 01:17:47 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 03, 2024, 01:32:15 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 03, 2024, 08:43:24 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on March 03, 2024, 08:46:43 AM
Has massove potential. Can see us seeing best of him from the summer once a proper pre season
Post by: brontebilly on March 03, 2024, 09:14:18 AM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 03, 2024, 10:01:44 AM
I thought Unai made exactly the right call in taking Rogers off. He was blowing out of his arse and clearly not giving us enough cover defensively. He did a couple of good things going forward and will learn with Unai coaching him. He did ok overall.
That’s exactly the way I saw it. He looked more comfortable than in his cameo against Sheffield Utd but of course he’s been here over a month now rather than a few days. Bring him on as much as possible till the end of the season and then work hard with him in pre season.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 03, 2024, 10:16:47 AM
Hadn't seen that apparent likeness before!
Post by: wittonwarrior on March 03, 2024, 11:37:49 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on March 03, 2024, 11:41:11 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/cYh6QDd/Screenshot-20240303-113549-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYh6QDd)
Post by: Clampy on March 03, 2024, 11:44:51 AM
Post by: Richard E on March 03, 2024, 11:46:39 AM
Anyone who didnt think rodgers had a good game heres the stats
(https://i.ibb.co/cYh6QDd/Screenshot-20240303-113549-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYh6QDd)
I didn’t think Rodgers did anything at all and those statistics haven’t altered my opinion.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 03, 2024, 11:46:43 AM
Anyone who didnt think rodgers had a good game heres the stats
(https://i.ibb.co/cYh6QDd/Screenshot-20240303-113549-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYh6QDd)
From the radio coverage they called him out for not tracking back and getting behind the ball. That sort of thing doesn’t appear in stats. Regardless, promising numbers so plenty of potential especially as he gets more integrated into the Emery way.
Am I right in thinking he usually plays in more attacking positions than the Ramsey role anyway so quite a big ask in your second PL game.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 03, 2024, 11:50:42 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on March 03, 2024, 11:52:39 AM
A game two halves excellent first anonymous second
Think we were under pressure more in the 2nd half and he was exposed a bit defensively. Thought he did well in possession and did a lot of good things though.
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 03, 2024, 12:13:33 PM
Anyone who didnt think rodgers had a good game heres the stats
(https://i.ibb.co/cYh6QDd/Screenshot-20240303-113549-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYh6QDd)
From the radio coverage they called him out for not tracking back and getting behind the ball. That sort of thing doesn’t appear in stats. Regardless, promising numbers so plenty of potential especially as he gets more integrated into the Emery way.
Am I right in thinking he usually plays in more attacking positions than the Ramsey role anyway so quite a big ask in your second PL game.
Yes. Up front, all across the line & as a number 10 for Boro.
There is a lot more defending to be done in Emerys side.
I would hope that similar to the defenders, once he gets used to the way Emery wants him to play for the specific positions, he will be more up to speed & perform to a higher standard.
Although, Hes also meant to be backup for Watkins too, I think. (Although I may have misread that, as not 100% sure on that).
Post by: Demitri_C on March 03, 2024, 12:27:00 PM
Anyone who didnt think rodgers had a good game heres the stats
(https://i.ibb.co/cYh6QDd/Screenshot-20240303-113549-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYh6QDd)
I didn’t think Rodgers did anything at all and those statistics haven’t altered my opinion.
Well he did almost score 🙂
Those numbers are impressive but clearly work to be done on the defensive side. It was his first real minutes so will take abit of time.
Post by: Mister E on March 03, 2024, 12:28:00 PM
His effectiveness in defending in the 2nd half was undoubtedly affected by his early booking.Anyone who didnt think rodgers had a good game heres the stats
(https://i.ibb.co/cYh6QDd/Screenshot-20240303-113549-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYh6QDd)
From the radio coverage they called him out for not tracking back and getting behind the ball. That sort of thing doesn’t appear in stats. Regardless, promising numbers so plenty of potential especially as he gets more integrated into the Emery way.
Am I right in thinking he usually plays in more attacking positions than the Ramsey role anyway so quite a big ask in your second PL game.
Post by: VillaTim on March 03, 2024, 12:41:31 PM
I don't think it was . he simply wasn't doing any defending 2nd halfHis effectiveness in defending in the 2nd half was undoubtedly affected by his early booking.Anyone who didnt think rodgers had a good game heres the stats
(https://i.ibb.co/cYh6QDd/Screenshot-20240303-113549-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYh6QDd)
From the radio coverage they called him out for not tracking back and getting behind the ball. That sort of thing doesn’t appear in stats. Regardless, promising numbers so plenty of potential especially as he gets more integrated into the Emery way.
Am I right in thinking he usually plays in more attacking positions than the Ramsey role anyway so quite a big ask in your second PL game.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 03, 2024, 02:36:38 PM
Post by: VillaTim on March 03, 2024, 02:59:44 PM
The jump from Championship to PL is a big one. You can see that from Burnley who walked the league being battered almost every week and will be relegated. The same applies to players, and especially those thrown in at the top end of the table. Rodgers looked very good yesterday despite what’s been asked of him. It’s clear he’s a talented player with much more to come over the next few months and years.probably needs a loan with a newly promoted team next season
Post by: Chris Smith on March 03, 2024, 03:25:10 PM
The jump from Championship to PL is a big one. You can see that from Burnley who walked the league being battered almost every week and will be relegated. The same applies to players, and especially those thrown in at the top end of the table. Rodgers looked very good yesterday despite what’s been asked of him. It’s clear he’s a talented player with much more to come over the next few months and years.probably needs a loan with a newly promoted team next season
Can’t see the point of that, he needs to be with us to work with our coaches to learn Emery’s methods and to gradually integrate himself into contention to start.
Post by: VillaTim on March 03, 2024, 03:32:40 PM
maybe 6 month loan just purely for games and getting match fit and used to the pace of the league etc. I can't see him getting much Prem time with us the way we are progressing.The jump from Championship to PL is a big one. You can see that from Burnley who walked the league being battered almost every week and will be relegated. The same applies to players, and especially those thrown in at the top end of the table. Rodgers looked very good yesterday despite what’s been asked of him. It’s clear he’s a talented player with much more to come over the next few months and years.probably needs a loan with a newly promoted team next season
Can’t see the point of that, he needs to be with us to work with our coaches to learn Emery’s methods and to gradually integrate himself into contention to start.
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 03, 2024, 06:58:41 PM
Agree, see him as the new Zaniolo but hopefully with more impact.The jump from Championship to PL is a big one. You can see that from Burnley who walked the league being battered almost every week and will be relegated. The same applies to players, and especially those thrown in at the top end of the table. Rodgers looked very good yesterday despite what’s been asked of him. It’s clear he’s a talented player with much more to come over the next few months and years.probably needs a loan with a newly promoted team next season
Can’t see the point of that, he needs to be with us to work with our coaches to learn Emery’s methods and to gradually integrate himself into contention to start.
Post by: Grande Pablo on March 03, 2024, 10:07:07 PM
Post by: Mister E on March 03, 2024, 10:09:08 PM
He was great in the first half & unlucky not to score, but got swamped in the 2nd - not the only one. Give the lad time - pleased Emery turned to him first rather than Zaniolo or Tim.yes, favouring him over Z was encouraging, actually. Talk of a loan seems very premature.
Post by: Ian. on March 03, 2024, 10:11:08 PM
Post by: stevo_st on March 04, 2024, 01:11:30 AM
Think Rogers, like others have, will take a bit of time to get used to the way we play and the work needed off the ball
Post by: eamonn on March 04, 2024, 12:15:43 PM
He was great in the first half & unlucky not to score, but got swamped in the 2nd - not the only one. Give the lad time - pleased Emery turned to him first rather than Zaniolo or Tim.yes, favouring him over Z was encouraging, actually. Talk of a loan seems very premature.
Favouring him over Diaby though...
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 04, 2024, 06:01:52 PM
Anyone who didnt think rodgers had a good game heres the stats
(https://i.ibb.co/cYh6QDd/Screenshot-20240303-113549-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYh6QDd)
I didn’t think Rodgers did anything at all and those statistics haven’t altered my opinion.
Goalbound shot brilliantly saved, perfect cross field ball into Bailey’s path, won the free kick that we scored from. Just off the top of my head.
Post by: Richard E on March 04, 2024, 06:02:52 PM
Whooosh!!!!Anyone who didnt think rodgers had a good game heres the stats
(https://i.ibb.co/cYh6QDd/Screenshot-20240303-113549-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYh6QDd)
I didn’t think Rodgers did anything at all and those statistics haven’t altered my opinion.
Goalbound shot brilliantly saved, perfect cross field ball into Bailey’s path, won the free kick that we scored from. Just off the top of my head.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 04, 2024, 06:05:38 PM
Whooosh!!!!Anyone who didnt think rodgers had a good game heres the stats
(https://i.ibb.co/cYh6QDd/Screenshot-20240303-113549-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYh6QDd)
I didn’t think Rodgers did anything at all and those statistics haven’t altered my opinion.
Goalbound shot brilliantly saved, perfect cross field ball into Bailey’s path, won the free kick that we scored from. Just off the top of my head.
Sorry. It wasn’t an unexpressed opinion.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 04, 2024, 06:09:53 PM
Whooosh!!!!Anyone who didnt think rodgers had a good game heres the stats
(https://i.ibb.co/cYh6QDd/Screenshot-20240303-113549-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYh6QDd)
I didn’t think Rodgers did anything at all and those statistics haven’t altered my opinion.
Goalbound shot brilliantly saved, perfect cross field ball into Bailey’s path, won the free kick that we scored from. Just off the top of my head.
Sorry. It wasn’t an unexpressed opinion.
Hint: look at the thread title, look at the post.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 04, 2024, 06:25:52 PM
Whooosh!!!!Anyone who didnt think rodgers had a good game heres the stats
(https://i.ibb.co/cYh6QDd/Screenshot-20240303-113549-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYh6QDd)
I didn’t think Rodgers did anything at all and those statistics haven’t altered my opinion.
Goalbound shot brilliantly saved, perfect cross field ball into Bailey’s path, won the free kick that we scored from. Just off the top of my head.
Sorry. It wasn’t an unexpressed opinion.
Hint: look at the thread title, look at the post.
Oh yeah.
Post by: astonvilla82 on March 04, 2024, 06:46:02 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 04, 2024, 06:48:31 PM
I think he been very poor after what 3 games, what a waste of money and I can't see Uria Emery doing anything good with the lad,I think Emery has lost that magic touch and I fear for us against Ajax
I dont agree with that a Heep
Post by: Aldridge Villa on March 04, 2024, 06:54:01 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on March 04, 2024, 08:18:56 PM
Nor meI think he been very poor after what 3 games, what a waste of money and I can't see Uria Emery doing anything good with the lad,I think Emery has lost that magic touch and I fear for us against Ajax
I dont agree with that a Heep
Post by: Monty on March 04, 2024, 08:20:08 PM
Nor meI think he been very poor after what 3 games, what a waste of money and I can't see Uria Emery doing anything good with the lad,I think Emery has lost that magic touch and I fear for us against Ajax
I dont agree with that a Heep
At least you're 'umble about it.
Post by: Demitri_C on March 04, 2024, 08:26:32 PM
I think he been very poor after what 3 games, what a waste of money and I can't see Uria Emery doing anything good with the lad,I think Emery has lost that magic touch and I fear for us against Ajax
I take it this is sarcasm as i cant believe you are actually serious 😂
Post by: astonvilla82 on March 04, 2024, 08:35:37 PM
👍I think he been very poor after what 3 games, what a waste of money and I can't see Uria Emery doing anything good with the lad,I think Emery has lost that magic touch and I fear for us against Ajax
I take it this is sarcasm as i cant believe you are actually serious 😂
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 05, 2024, 05:00:14 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on March 07, 2024, 08:20:36 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 07, 2024, 08:34:06 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 07, 2024, 08:37:31 PM
https://x.com/buendiazboyz/status/1764830840444322166?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
Impressive. Strikes me as a bit Tielemans-esque, great vision and touch but could do with a bit more athleticism.
Post by: eamonn on March 07, 2024, 08:39:24 PM
He's got a great athletic build and great balance, raw but there's lots to work with and these are exactly the types of games where it's good to give him a proper run-out.
Post by: Chris Smith on March 07, 2024, 08:43:38 PM
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Post by: Paul.S on March 07, 2024, 11:52:34 PM
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Post by: Monty on March 08, 2024, 12:21:32 AM
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Post by: Steve67 on March 08, 2024, 06:42:36 AM
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 08, 2024, 09:46:14 AM
I think he's just the latest to struggle a bit playing in the 'Ramsey' role on the left. Tielemans, Zaniolo and McGinn have all played there in Ramsey's absence and have all struggled a bit. I think the 'number 10' role would suit him.a lot more.
I think the only player who looked comfortable there, especially doing the defensive work as well as going forward, was Philogene in pre-season...
Post by: chrisw1 on March 08, 2024, 12:14:14 PM
It still feels a really strange signing to me, but hopefully he'll surprise a few people in due course.
Post by: VillaTim on March 08, 2024, 01:35:26 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 08, 2024, 08:07:13 PM
Size is on his side, not sure how pacey he is ? Not had chance to see that yet. He's obviously very raw like Duran but i'd say ahead of Duran in terms of development and miles ahead on maturity.Yea he doesnt ‘seem’ to have pace, I’d agree with that. I think he has a nice first touch and the potential. Got a bit overrun last night and second half at Luton, but very early days.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 08, 2024, 08:57:37 PM
He looks a long way off at the moment to me, which is hardly surprising given his age
It still feels a really strange signing to me, but hopefully he'll surprise a few people in due course.
It does. However, we have people who know a bit more than the likes of us. They see something that can be developed to make a player that not only fits but improves us in an area where we’re lacking. I’m finding it hard though to see how he will fit. Is he a forward, a 10, or, a midfield general in the making?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 08, 2024, 08:57:38 PM
Size is on his side, not sure how pacey he is ?
Can you knock up a chant for that using the Rolling Stones song?
Post by: Drummond on March 08, 2024, 09:02:18 PM
He looks a long way off at the moment to me, which is hardly surprising given his age
It still feels a really strange signing to me, but hopefully he'll surprise a few people in due course.
It does. However, we have people who know a bit more than the likes of us. They see something that can be developed to make a player that not only fits but improves us in an area where we’re lacking. I’m finding it hard though to see how he will fit. Is he a forward, a 10, or, a midfield general in the making?
I suspect that's why Emery likes him, versatility is the name of the game.
Post by: Dogtanian on March 09, 2024, 09:27:14 AM
I think it’s been clear he’s bought for the future, but also someone who can help out in our run-in as part of his development.
I don’t think you can really start assessing him till next season.
Post by: VillaTim on March 09, 2024, 09:28:26 AM
Rogers has gone from playing Rotherham at the Riverside six weeks ago, to playing Ajax on their own turf for us.It's a bizarre signing.
Post by: Clampy on March 09, 2024, 09:39:54 AM
Rogers has gone from playing Rotherham at the Riverside six weeks ago, to playing Ajax on their own turf for us.
I think it’s been clear he’s bought for the future, but also someone who can help out in our run-in as part of his development.
I don’t think you can really start assessing him till next season.
Exactly this. Emery has seen something he can work on and he hasn't cost us an absolute fortune. He's been unlucky not to score on a couple of occasions as well. As ever, a bit of patience is needed.
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 09, 2024, 09:40:09 AM
Post by: Three Spires Villa on March 09, 2024, 09:41:36 AM
Rogers has gone from playing Rotherham at the Riverside six weeks ago, to playing Ajax on their own turf for us.It's a bizarre signing.
Why? I agree with most on here. You can’t judge him yet. I thought Bailey was terrible and a waste. You have got to give him a chance to see what he can do and where we eventually play him
Post by: VillaTim on March 09, 2024, 09:54:43 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 09, 2024, 10:08:42 AM
Size is on his side, not sure how pacey he is ?
Can you knock up a chant for that using the Rolling Stones song?
*kisses teeth* Irma Thomas.
Post by: eamonn on March 09, 2024, 11:18:29 AM
Post by: Clampy on March 09, 2024, 11:23:32 AM
It would have been nice to get Barkley back on-loan til May with Bouba out. Harsh on Luton though.
Why do you think Luton would have agreed to that?
Post by: Mister E on March 09, 2024, 11:32:31 AM
this player is nowhere near ready for this level.... and yet he could have scored against Luton and SheffU; and should have. He's not ready for the full nine yards that Emery requires but he certainly seems to have the raw material to make good.
As the guy who declared that we'd 'bought a dud' with Bailey, I can absolutely see how UE and his team might make the raw material in Rogers come good - and, when he does we'll have the added bonus of winding up the Bitters even more with our raids on their academy.
Post by: VillaTim on March 09, 2024, 11:35:10 AM
He's bound to have chances he's playing with very good players around him. You or I would get chances to score too if we played .this player is nowhere near ready for this level.... and yet he could have scored against Luton and SheffU; and should have. He's not ready for the full nine yards that Emery requires but he certainly seems to have the raw material to make good.
As the guy who declared that we'd 'bought a dud' with Bailey, I can absolutely see how UE and his team might make the raw material in Rogers come good - and, when he does we'll have the added bonus of winding up the Bitters even more with our raids on their academy.
Post by: Drummond on March 09, 2024, 11:35:47 AM
Rogers has gone from playing Rotherham at the Riverside six weeks ago, to playing Ajax on their own turf for us.It's a bizarre signing.
He's well known at Academy level, having been at West Brom and then Man City. He has plenty of good attributes. Why is it bizarre?
Post by: The Edge on March 09, 2024, 12:08:34 PM
That is a bizarre assessment. He's been here 5 minutes and he's been thrown in to the engine room through unfortunate injuries. As numerous posters have said on here he's going to be one for the future.Rogers has gone from playing Rotherham at the Riverside six weeks ago, to playing Ajax on their own turf for us.It's a bizarre signing.
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 09, 2024, 12:19:20 PM
It would have been nice to get Barkley back on-loan til May with Bouba out. Harsh on Luton though.
Fuck no!
That useless prick had his chance at a proper club.
Luton is about bus level...
Post by: WarszaVillan on March 09, 2024, 12:21:22 PM
He's bound to have chances he's playing with very good players around him. You or I would get chances to score too if we played .this player is nowhere near ready for this level.... and yet he could have scored against Luton and SheffU; and should have. He's not ready for the full nine yards that Emery requires but he certainly seems to have the raw material to make good.
As the guy who declared that we'd 'bought a dud' with Bailey, I can absolutely see how UE and his team might make the raw material in Rogers come good - and, when he does we'll have the added bonus of winding up the Bitters even more with our raids on their academy.
No, to some extent it's the opposite. When you play with very good players you have to be able to perform at their level, which includes runs off the ball, finding space, and linking up, etc. Decent players can suddenly look lost when they are put into a team of players better than them - the test is whether they can adapt to this environment or not.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on March 09, 2024, 12:23:42 PM
Now thats a bizarre statement.He's bound to have chances he's playing with very good players around him. You or I would get chances to score too if we played .this player is nowhere near ready for this level.... and yet he could have scored against Luton and SheffU; and should have. He's not ready for the full nine yards that Emery requires but he certainly seems to have the raw material to make good.
As the guy who declared that we'd 'bought a dud' with Bailey, I can absolutely see how UE and his team might make the raw material in Rogers come good - and, when he does we'll have the added bonus of winding up the Bitters even more with our raids on their academy.
Post by: brontebilly on March 09, 2024, 12:26:43 PM
I agree with signing potential, but this player is nowhere near ready for this level. The fact he's coming on as a sub and then being subbed off says it all. The fact he played at Ajax is truly bizarre .
Bailey was subbed on and off against Liverpool early in the season so Rogers isn't the first. The fact he played at Ajax isn't that bizarre either given Emery rested a load of regulars and we literally have no one else.
Post by: The Edge on March 09, 2024, 12:29:59 PM
Yeah it's bizarre that we would sign a highly rated 21 year old who has been at Man City and represented his country over 40 times.I agree with signing potential, but this player is nowhere near ready for this level. The fact he's coming on as a sub and then being subbed off says it all. The fact he played at Ajax is truly bizarre .
Bailey was subbed on and off against Liverpool early in the season so Rogers isn't the first. The fact he played at Ajax isn't that bizarre either given Emery rested a load of regulars and we literally have no one else.
Post by: Richard E on March 09, 2024, 12:40:15 PM
Post by: Risso on March 09, 2024, 12:41:32 PM
I’m just hoping Rodgers doesn’t play tomorrow.
I can’t stand Rodgers. I hope he never plays a game for us.
Post by: algy on March 09, 2024, 12:46:12 PM
(Quickly googles in the hope there's a Rodgers in the U9s or something)
Post by: robleflaneur on March 09, 2024, 12:57:48 PM
Spot on.Rated by Mark Harrison who was his youth coach at Albion and by Unai.Yeah it's bizarre that we would sign a highly rated 21 year old who has been at Man City and represented his country over 40 times.I agree with signing potential, but this player is nowhere near ready for this level. The fact he's coming on as a sub and then being subbed off says it all. The fact he played at Ajax is truly bizarre .
Bailey was subbed on and off against Liverpool early in the season so Rogers isn't the first. The fact he played at Ajax isn't that bizarre either given Emery rested a load of regulars and we literally have no one else.
.He's the only player,because he was the best young player,that I can recall from the play off final between Lincoln and Blackpool.His Lincoln boss,Appleton,would later sign him on loan for Blackpool.
He's being asked to do a more defensive role that he's not best suited to.With Buendia hopefully available next year,Rogers would be back up for Watkins,Bailey and Diaby.
He's 6'3 and a very similar physical profile and career projectory to Ollie who started as a winger,a protection against the physicality of lower league football.
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on March 09, 2024, 01:12:45 PM
I’m just hoping Rodgers doesn’t play tomorrow.Perhaps Roy?
With Trigger on the pivot?
One for the oldies there!
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 09, 2024, 01:15:49 PM
He’s touched on this in an interview where at each loan he’s had to learn new facets of the game. He came across as pretty humble and with good self-awareness so a decent chance he’ll work hard to improve.
Post by: VillaTim on March 09, 2024, 02:20:20 PM
Post by: frank black on March 09, 2024, 02:39:11 PM
The bizarre thing is, he looks like he could benefit from a year or two loan playing regularly in the Championship. Once Buendia is fit and the others are back eg. Ramsey , he's getting nowhere near a game here .
I wouldn’t be so quick to judge him. We’ve had plenty of new signings that have taken time to bed in, why should he be any different?. I don’t think playing more at a level he was obviously accomplished at would improve him. Seems to me like a decent player that’s finding his feet and adapting to a new club/level.
Post by: VillaTim on March 09, 2024, 02:40:51 PM
I'm not sure he'd established himself in the championship. His stats are a bit underwhelming.The bizarre thing is, he looks like he could benefit from a year or two loan playing regularly in the Championship. Once Buendia is fit and the others are back eg. Ramsey , he's getting nowhere near a game here .
I wouldn’t be so quick to judge him. We’ve had plenty of new signings that have taken time to bed in, why should he be any different?. I don’t think playing more at a level he was obviously accomplished at would improve him. Seems to me like a decent player that’s finding his feet and adapting to a new club/level.
Post by: The Edge on March 09, 2024, 02:44:51 PM
You seem very unwilling to even give the guy a chance.Has he done something to you or yours?I'm not sure he'd established himself in the championship. His stats are a bit underwhelming.The bizarre thing is, he looks like he could benefit from a year or two loan playing regularly in the Championship. Once Buendia is fit and the others are back eg. Ramsey , he's getting nowhere near a game here .
I wouldn’t be so quick to judge him. We’ve had plenty of new signings that have taken time to bed in, why should he be any different?. I don’t think playing more at a level he was obviously accomplished at would improve him. Seems to me like a decent player that’s finding his feet and adapting to a new club/level.
Post by: VillaTim on March 09, 2024, 02:48:07 PM
Very happy to give him a chance merely debating he looks totally out of his depth at the moment.You seem very unwilling to even give the guy a chance.Has he done something to you or yours?I'm not sure he'd established himself in the championship. His stats are a bit underwhelming.The bizarre thing is, he looks like he could benefit from a year or two loan playing regularly in the Championship. Once Buendia is fit and the others are back eg. Ramsey , he's getting nowhere near a game here .
I wouldn’t be so quick to judge him. We’ve had plenty of new signings that have taken time to bed in, why should he be any different?. I don’t think playing more at a level he was obviously accomplished at would improve him. Seems to me like a decent player that’s finding his feet and adapting to a new club/level.
Post by: The Edge on March 09, 2024, 02:59:48 PM
Weve seen glimpses of what he's capable of. I trust Emerys judgement so we'll have to wait and see.Very happy to give him a chance merely debating he looks totally out of his depth at the moment.You seem very unwilling to even give the guy a chance.Has he done something to you or yours?I'm not sure he'd established himself in the championship. His stats are a bit underwhelming.The bizarre thing is, he looks like he could benefit from a year or two loan playing regularly in the Championship. Once Buendia is fit and the others are back eg. Ramsey , he's getting nowhere near a game here .
I wouldn’t be so quick to judge him. We’ve had plenty of new signings that have taken time to bed in, why should he be any different?. I don’t think playing more at a level he was obviously accomplished at would improve him. Seems to me like a decent player that’s finding his feet and adapting to a new club/level.
Post by: frank black on March 09, 2024, 03:00:15 PM
Very happy to give him a chance merely debating he looks totally out of his depth at the moment.You seem very unwilling to even give the guy a chance.Has he done something to you or yours?I'm not sure he'd established himself in the championship. His stats are a bit underwhelming.The bizarre thing is, he looks like he could benefit from a year or two loan playing regularly in the Championship. Once Buendia is fit and the others are back eg. Ramsey , he's getting nowhere near a game here .
I wouldn’t be so quick to judge him. We’ve had plenty of new signings that have taken time to bed in, why should he be any different?. I don’t think playing more at a level he was obviously accomplished at would improve him. Seems to me like a decent player that’s finding his feet and adapting to a new club/level.
Maybe give him a little bit of time before judging 🤷♂️ It not like he’s played 5-6 games and been shite. He’s had some minutes and no way anybody can judge him either way or debate it even.
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 09, 2024, 03:27:03 PM
Very happy to give him a chance merely debating he looks totally out of his depth at the moment.You seem very unwilling to even give the guy a chance.Has he done something to you or yours?I'm not sure he'd established himself in the championship. His stats are a bit underwhelming.The bizarre thing is, he looks like he could benefit from a year or two loan playing regularly in the Championship. Once Buendia is fit and the others are back eg. Ramsey , he's getting nowhere near a game here .
I wouldn’t be so quick to judge him. We’ve had plenty of new signings that have taken time to bed in, why should he be any different?. I don’t think playing more at a level he was obviously accomplished at would improve him. Seems to me like a decent player that’s finding his feet and adapting to a new club/level.
I questioned his signing, depending on the price, so Im coming into this conversation not totally convinced by the kid, but to say he looks "totally out of his depth at the moment" is just plain wrong.
He has shown he can run with the ball, he has shown he can keep the ball in tight spaces & he has shown that he can get into good spaces to be able to be create decent scoring opportunities.
Granted, yes, the defensive side of his game needs a fair bit of work & he is a bit rough around the edges all round, but he has not shown anything in his game that suggests that he is "out of his depth".
I think of him as a player that needs to work with the manager to be able to do what Emery wants him to do all round, including defensive duties.
Especially if he is to play in Ramseys position.
And I think it's very much like when new players who come into the defence, where we struggle for four or five games until they get the hang of the intricacies of Emerys system.
I don't see Rogers any different to that, albeit he may take a bit longer due to his rawness & the fact that he has never really been asked to defend before.
Unless Emery decides to switch him up to striker, similar to the route Watkins has taken.
Rogers isn't fast / fast, but he isn't a slouch & at 6'3" with a decent build to his frame, he certainly has the potential to become a striker.
He has already shown that his movement gets him into scoring positions & thats without the same level of individual coaching that Watkins has been given by Emery.
Post by: Clampy on March 09, 2024, 03:29:45 PM
Very happy to give him a chance merely debating he looks totally out of his depth at the moment.You seem very unwilling to even give the guy a chance.Has he done something to you or yours?I'm not sure he'd established himself in the championship. His stats are a bit underwhelming.The bizarre thing is, he looks like he could benefit from a year or two loan playing regularly in the Championship. Once Buendia is fit and the others are back eg. Ramsey , he's getting nowhere near a game here .
I wouldn’t be so quick to judge him. We’ve had plenty of new signings that have taken time to bed in, why should he be any different?. I don’t think playing more at a level he was obviously accomplished at would improve him. Seems to me like a decent player that’s finding his feet and adapting to a new club/level.
I questioned his signing, depending on the price, so Im coming into this conversation not totally convinced by the kid, but to say he looks "totally out of his depth at the moment" is just plain wrong.
He has shown he can run with the ball, he has shown he can keep the ball in tight spaces & he has shown that he can get into good spaces to be able to be create decent scoring opportunities.
Granted, yes, the defensive side of his game needs a fair bit of work & he is a bit rough around the edges all round, but he has not shown anything in his game that suggests that he is "out of his depth".
I think of him as a player that needs to work with the manager to be able to do what Emery wants him to do all round, including defensive duties.
Especially if he is to play in Ramseys position.
And I think it's very much like when new players who come into the defence, where we struggle for four or five games until they get the hang of the intricacies of Emerys system.
I don't see Rogers any different to that, albeit he may take a bit longer due to his rawness & the fact that he has never really been asked to defend before.
Unless Emery decides to switch him up to striker, similar to the route Watkins has taken.
Rogers isn't fast / fast, but he isn't a slouch & at 6'3" with a decent build to his frame, he certainly has the potential to become a striker.
He has already shown that his movement gets him into scoring positions & thats without Emery offering the same level of individual coaching that Watkins has been given by Emery.
All that is completely wasted on someone who it seems is going to continually slag him off. Blocking is better.
Post by: VillaTim on March 09, 2024, 03:38:24 PM
Well He was valued at £1m not long ago, not sure if he's worth 800% more than that all of a sudden , time will tell.Very happy to give him a chance merely debating he looks totally out of his depth at the moment.You seem very unwilling to even give the guy a chance.Has he done something to you or yours?I'm not sure he'd established himself in the championship. His stats are a bit underwhelming.The bizarre thing is, he looks like he could benefit from a year or two loan playing regularly in the Championship. Once Buendia is fit and the others are back eg. Ramsey , he's getting nowhere near a game here .
I wouldn’t be so quick to judge him. We’ve had plenty of new signings that have taken time to bed in, why should he be any different?. I don’t think playing more at a level he was obviously accomplished at would improve him. Seems to me like a decent player that’s finding his feet and adapting to a new club/level.
I questioned his signing, depending on the price, so Im coming into this conversation not totally convinced by the kid, but to say he looks "totally out of his depth at the moment" is just plain wrong.
He has shown he can run with the ball, he has shown he can keep the ball in tight spaces & he has shown that he can get into good spaces to be able to be create decent scoring opportunities.
Granted, yes, the defensive side of his game needs a fair bit of work & he is a bit rough around the edges all round, but he has not shown anything in his game that suggests that he is "out of his depth".
I think of him as a player that needs to work with the manager to be able to do what Emery wants him to do all round, including defensive duties.
Especially if he is to play in Ramseys position.
And I think it's very much like when new players who come into the defence, where we struggle for four or five games until they get the hang of the intricacies of Emerys system.
I don't see Rogers any different to that, albeit he may take a bit longer due to his rawness & the fact that he has never really been asked to defend before.
Unless Emery decides to switch him up to striker, similar to the route Watkins has taken.
Rogers isn't fast / fast, but he isn't a slouch & at 6'3" with a decent build to his frame, he certainly has the potential to become a striker.
He has already shown that his movement gets him into scoring positions & thats without the same level of individual coaching that Watkins has been given by Emery.
Post by: eamonn on March 09, 2024, 03:41:30 PM
It would have been nice to get Barkley back on-loan til May with Bouba out. Harsh on Luton though.
Why do you think Luton would have agreed to that?
I don't. Just think in the form he's in and Bouba out, he'd be a great option for us.
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 09, 2024, 03:57:14 PM
Well He was valued at £1m not long ago, not sure if he's worth 800% more than that all of a sudden , time will tell.
And Kamara was valued at £0 not so long ago, so contractual run down signings are generally cheap or cost nothing, so I wouldn't read anything into that.
I don't actually think £8M is too bad for a young kid with his numbers in the Championship & League Cup. I had serious doubts until I checked his numbers & they weren't too bad for £8M. Especially as he has the frame & physical attributes that can be worked with by a manager who is great at coaching individual players.
But all that aside, the point was that he hasn't looked "out of his depth" & has shown some positive signs that can be worked with.
And at the same time, accepting that there are areas of his game that are weak & definitely need working on too.
He's not the finished article. But he's not out of his depth either.
Post by: VillaTim on March 09, 2024, 05:36:48 PM
All about opinions for me he looked out of his depth vs Ajax and second half vs luton.Well He was valued at £1m not long ago, not sure if he's worth 800% more than that all of a sudden , time will tell.
And Kamara was valued at £0 not so long ago, so contractual run down signings are generally cheap or cost nothing, so I wouldn't read anything into that.
I don't actually think £8M is too bad for a young kid with his numbers in the Championship & League Cup. I had serious doubts until I checked his numbers & they weren't too bad for £8M. Especially as he has the frame & physical attributes that can be worked with by a manager who is great at coaching individual players.
But all that aside, the point was that he hasn't looked "out of his depth" & has shown some positive signs that can be worked with.
And at the same time, accepting that there are areas of his game that are weak & definitely need working on too.
He's not the finished article. But he's not out of his depth either.
Post by: The Edge on March 09, 2024, 06:29:41 PM
So you keep saying.All about opinions for me he looked out of his depth vs Ajax and second half vs luton.Well He was valued at £1m not long ago, not sure if he's worth 800% more than that all of a sudden , time will tell.
And Kamara was valued at £0 not so long ago, so contractual run down signings are generally cheap or cost nothing, so I wouldn't read anything into that.
I don't actually think £8M is too bad for a young kid with his numbers in the Championship & League Cup. I had serious doubts until I checked his numbers & they weren't too bad for £8M. Especially as he has the frame & physical attributes that can be worked with by a manager who is great at coaching individual players.
But all that aside, the point was that he hasn't looked "out of his depth" & has shown some positive signs that can be worked with.
And at the same time, accepting that there are areas of his game that are weak & definitely need working on too.
He's not the finished article. But he's not out of his depth either.
Post by: astonvilla82 on March 09, 2024, 09:03:20 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on March 10, 2024, 09:57:30 PM
Zaniolo is shite
Post by: VillaTim on March 10, 2024, 10:17:24 PM
Dont see the point of signing him if zaniolo is still getting game time ahead of him. Another ghing that annoyed me today was that decisionI think after Rogers 2nd half horror show at luton , Emery lost confidence in him and today obviously opted for Zaniolo instead.
Zaniolo is shite
Post by: Risso on March 10, 2024, 10:18:15 PM
Dont see the point of signing him if zaniolo is still getting game time ahead of him. Another ghing that annoyed me today was that decisionI think after Rogers 2nd half horror show at luton , Emery lost confidence in him and today obviously opted for Zaniolo instead.
Zaniolo is shite
What about all of Zaniolo's horror shows though?
Post by: VillaTim on March 10, 2024, 10:26:10 PM
I don't think any of them were as bad as Rogers disappearing act last weekend in Luton.Dont see the point of signing him if zaniolo is still getting game time ahead of him. Another ghing that annoyed me today was that decisionI think after Rogers 2nd half horror show at luton , Emery lost confidence in him and today obviously opted for Zaniolo instead.
Zaniolo is shite
What about all of Zaniolo's horror shows though?
Post by: Demitri_C on March 10, 2024, 10:30:39 PM
Dont see the point of signing him if zaniolo is still getting game time ahead of him. Another ghing that annoyed me today was that decisionI think after Rogers 2nd half horror show at luton , Emery lost confidence in him and today obviously opted for Zaniolo instead.
Zaniolo is shite
What about all of Zaniolo's horror shows though?
Exactly. At least rodgers is our player and we can develop him. Zaniolo has no future now. Whats the point of giving him so many minutes. He adds nothing but a booking and stinky performances
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 10, 2024, 10:31:13 PM
Post by: VillaTim on March 10, 2024, 10:34:40 PM
Ah another player to write off Tim.Not writing him off , just don't think he's ready for the Prem . I'd play him v Ajax though.
Post by: Demitri_C on March 10, 2024, 10:37:21 PM
Ah another player to write off Tim.Not writing him off , just don't think he's ready for the Prem . I'd play him v Ajax though.
Think its a bit premature tbh. Only recently joined and one start. Zaniolos been awful near enough all season. If i was a bettee man i reckon rodgees would get more assists goals than zaniolo has if given same amount of minutes
Post by: VillaTim on March 10, 2024, 10:54:54 PM
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Post by: nick harper on March 14, 2024, 11:56:53 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 14, 2024, 11:59:15 PM
Some good work tonight, I thought. He needs to learn control
I think he's so keen to impress, he's letting control slip a bit.
Post by: tomd2103 on March 15, 2024, 12:14:35 AM
He was somewhat restricted by an early booking, and then committed another foul shortly after. Sensible to take him off at half time given the referee was very card happy, but he missed a bit of an opportunity to make a bigger impression in the second half.
I thought he was going to get a second yellow for that challenge, so I think it was the right decision to take him off at half-time, though he'd been doing OK.
Post by: Dogtanian on March 15, 2024, 08:24:36 AM
For me, he has the rest of this season as a training and development period, give him the pre-season, and then we will see more of what he's made of next season.
Post by: Villafirst on March 15, 2024, 08:25:55 AM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 15, 2024, 08:50:43 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 15, 2024, 09:06:12 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 15, 2024, 09:07:40 AM
He shows a lot of promise , needs to cut out the silly fouls and bookings. Also he needs to learn that moving the hands in the shape of a ball and mouthing I got the ball is not going to cut it.
So doing the same thing every player claims when called back for a foul?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 15, 2024, 09:09:17 AM
Every player? you have the evidence to back that up?He shows a lot of promise , needs to cut out the silly fouls and bookings. Also he needs to learn that moving the hands in the shape of a ball and mouthing I got the ball is not going to cut it.
So doing the same thing every player claims when called back for a foul?
Post by: john e on March 15, 2024, 09:11:11 AM
but I suppose that’s why the manager and back room staff are making a living from football and I’m selling old Lorries for a living
Post by: Tayls_7 on March 15, 2024, 09:17:51 AM
Post by: dave shelley on March 15, 2024, 09:18:35 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 15, 2024, 09:20:21 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 15, 2024, 09:20:25 AM
They must have seen something in him that I’m not quite seeing at the moment to justify the outlay
but I suppose that’s why the manager and back room staff are making a living from football and I’m selling old Lorries for a living
Well articulated, John.
Post by: Clampy on March 15, 2024, 09:22:39 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on March 15, 2024, 09:22:59 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on March 15, 2024, 09:26:59 AM
Post by: dr.chekov on March 15, 2024, 09:29:42 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 15, 2024, 09:42:12 AM
Every player? you have the evidence to back that up?He shows a lot of promise , needs to cut out the silly fouls and bookings. Also he needs to learn that moving the hands in the shape of a ball and mouthing I got the ball is not going to cut it.
So doing the same thing every player claims when called back for a foul?
Maybe don't be too literal as that is how the FBI might get called over an imagined death threat. Or maybe just watch any match and I guarantee you will see a player pointing to the ball or other indication that it "wasn't a foul ref honest", the same as they claim the ball when it goes out of play for their team even when it hasn't.
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 15, 2024, 09:43:06 AM
I think he will be good but time to acclimatise is needed
Post by: Somniloquism on March 15, 2024, 09:46:38 AM
I can absolutely see something in him. He had a couple of really nice carries with the ball last night and some lovely link up with Diaby. But unsurprisingly he’s very raw and needs to work on his game.
Obviously only seeing the highlights but the good efforts in the first half shown seemed to have him driving forward with the ball. He not only looks a bit like Ramsey in appearance, but also seems to play like him as well, even down to not being as effective when not on the ball.
Post by: London Villan on March 15, 2024, 09:49:12 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on March 15, 2024, 09:49:45 AM
Yes, he's good at picking up the ball from broken play and driving forward. Very Ramsey esk in that way.I can absolutely see something in him. He had a couple of really nice carries with the ball last night and some lovely link up with Diaby. But unsurprisingly he’s very raw and needs to work on his game.
Obviously only seeing the highlights but the good efforts in the first half shown seemed to have him driving forward with the ball. He not only looks a bit like Ramsey in appearance, but also seems to play like him as well, even down to not being as effective when not on the ball.
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2024, 09:57:55 AM
Post by: Drummond on March 15, 2024, 10:11:14 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on March 15, 2024, 10:16:11 AM
Yes, he's good at picking up the ball from broken play and driving forward. Very Ramsey esk in that way.I can absolutely see something in him. He had a couple of really nice carries with the ball last night and some lovely link up with Diaby. But unsurprisingly he’s very raw and needs to work on his game.
Obviously only seeing the highlights but the good efforts in the first half shown seemed to have him driving forward with the ball. He not only looks a bit like Ramsey in appearance, but also seems to play like him as well, even down to not being as effective when not on the ball.
Agree with the Ramsey comparison. I think he's looked promising when he's got the ball in pretty much every game he's played. Just think the defensive side of his game is a bit weak at the moment, especially if he's going to play on the left side of midfield, but that's something he can work on and improve.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on March 15, 2024, 10:31:41 AM
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2024, 10:32:04 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 15, 2024, 10:39:23 AM
Post by: Martyn Smith on March 15, 2024, 10:40:11 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 15, 2024, 10:59:37 AM
I really do not know what your problem with me is but give it a rest.Every player? you have the evidence to back that up?He shows a lot of promise , needs to cut out the silly fouls and bookings. Also he needs to learn that moving the hands in the shape of a ball and mouthing I got the ball is not going to cut it.
So doing the same thing every player claims when called back for a foul?
Maybe don't be too literal as that is how the FBI might get called over an imagined death threat. Or maybe just watch any match and I guarantee you will see a player pointing to the ball or other indication that it "wasn't a foul ref honest", the same as they claim the ball when it goes out of play for their team even when it hasn't.
Post by: Clampy on March 15, 2024, 11:04:23 AM
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2024, 11:05:15 AM
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 15, 2024, 11:23:05 AM
I cant blame him too much for the defensive side of his game last night as that was down to more shitty officiating.
But he held the ball well, ran with it well, passed it well, was creative, had a decent chance & I think it's only time before he is a very solid attacking squad option.
Post by: PeterWithe on March 15, 2024, 11:29:01 AM
Whilst he was on I liked the look of him, loved that bit when he collected a vertical pass and drove through the middle before getting a bit excited and firing wildly over. He's got something, the ability to carry the ball through the midfield.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 15, 2024, 11:30:43 AM
Post by: LeeB on March 15, 2024, 11:43:02 AM
Given the ref was at the same level of twat as the last few we've had, I was almost certain he was going to get a second yellow for that nibble at the fella ankles over on the Witton side, can fully understand him getting dragged and I thought Youri did well in his place, particularly in making that knob Henderson look a mug a few times.
Whilst he was on I liked the look of him, loved that bit when he collected a vertical pass and drove through the middle before getting a bit excited and firing wildly over. He's got something, the ability to carry the ball through the midfield.
Once he gets in front of his opponent he's strong enough to hold them off as they chase as well.
Post by: tomd2103 on March 15, 2024, 11:48:13 AM
I get the feeling that that half time substitution was planned
Don't think so. He was fortunate not to get a second yellow in the first half, so I'm sure it was done as they didn't want to risk going down to ten.
Post by: TheMalandro on March 15, 2024, 12:02:21 PM
I'll forgive trying too hard all day long, compared to the alternative.
Ah yes, the Italian.
Post by: Dogtanian on March 15, 2024, 12:03:15 PM
I'll forgive trying too hard all day long, compared to the alternative.
Ah yes, the Italian.
The flip-hot Italian?
Post by: London Villan on March 15, 2024, 12:49:46 PM
Post by: taylorsworkrate on March 15, 2024, 12:54:41 PM
Definitely not planned, he told one of the media team on the bench it was because of the card.
He was lucky to get away with one after he had already been booked in fairness
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 15, 2024, 11:01:57 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on March 16, 2024, 02:09:29 AM
Looks good. He could have easily scored in every appearance for us so far, so I’m hugely optimistic about his future after he puts his first one away.
I agree. He has the attributes required to succeed.
Post by: supertom on March 17, 2024, 04:15:50 PM
If we find ourselves a couple of goals up and cruising, bring him on but I think he's a risk at the minute. They were really getting at Rogers and Moreno first half.
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 17, 2024, 04:20:46 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 17, 2024, 04:21:39 PM
I think it's too soon for him to be starting. He's showing some good touches but can lack composure in attack and he's being targeted the other way. Wasn't bad today but if we're gonna chuck a kid, there's probably more benefit to big Tim filling a gap in the middle at the moment. And certainly, Diaby would offer a lot more in attack.
If we find ourselves a couple of goals up and cruising, bring him on but I think he's a risk at the minute. They were really getting at Rogers and Moreno first half.
Or at least start Digne behind him.
Post by: London Villan on March 17, 2024, 04:22:10 PM
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 17, 2024, 10:07:08 PM
Post by: VillaTim on March 17, 2024, 10:09:21 PM
I’m just worried that he is JJs replacement and at the moment just not up to the grade - it takes timeWhy do you think Ramsey is going ?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 23, 2024, 02:53:10 AM
https://x.com/england/status/1771169454098977194?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
Post by: jwarry on March 23, 2024, 06:23:51 AM
Lovely assist for the U21s.
https://x.com/england/status/1771169454098977194?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
Clearly has ability - almost İbrahimoviç like. Just need Unai to make him ‘consistent’
Post by: Dogtanian on March 23, 2024, 07:56:21 AM
I’m looking forward to seeing him next season.
Post by: Ian. on March 23, 2024, 09:06:26 AM
If we Bailey and Watkins remain in amazing form and somehow get Ramsey fit that’s a very strong attacking team.
Post by: Steve67 on March 23, 2024, 10:58:45 AM
Post by: itbrvilla on March 23, 2024, 11:21:46 AM
I agree, Ian. Rogers definitely has some quality about him. He will only get better with top class coaching and better players around him and of course the Unai factor.Met a Boro fan in the pub for the Ajax game who said he was gutted to lose him. Said he'll be class.
Post by: tomd2103 on March 23, 2024, 11:42:35 AM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on March 23, 2024, 12:44:28 PM
Post by: Steve67 on March 23, 2024, 01:37:55 PM
He has the collymores about him on the ball to me
I thought that too.
Post by: dekko on March 23, 2024, 01:38:53 PM
He has the collymores about him on the ball to me
Can you elaborate on this a bit, Collymore was before my time.
Post by: Steve67 on March 23, 2024, 01:44:33 PM
He has the collymores about him on the ball to me
Can you elaborate on this a bit, Collymore was before my time.
Big but quick, skillful, mazy runs, difficult to shove off the ball. Rogers has some way to go, but there are some similarities.
Post by: paul_e on March 23, 2024, 01:55:03 PM
Interesting that he was playing as a centre forward, I think that's definitely where he'll end up.
Post by: Risso on March 23, 2024, 03:14:59 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 23, 2024, 04:28:20 PM
Post by: eamonn on March 23, 2024, 05:00:44 PM
Post by: Beard82 on March 23, 2024, 06:39:47 PM
Big jump for him - but seems to get in the right places a lot and has some strength - which is much needed.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 26, 2024, 09:11:31 PM
Post by: Beard82 on March 26, 2024, 09:26:36 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 26, 2024, 11:09:16 PM
https://twitter.com/Unaiball/status/1772727480417243283
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 27, 2024, 08:25:46 AM
Madueke looks a special talent. He really could do with moving to a big club to fulfil his potential.
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 27, 2024, 12:27:11 PM
Pleased for Rogers, that second one was calm as you like.
Madueke looks a special talent. He really could do with moving to a big club to fulfil his potential.
Nice to get a couple of goals from the bench. Not sure of the quality of Luxembourg though...
Madueke reminds me of Philogene.
Lots of pace, lots of skill, but with inconsistent end product.
Great on the ball though.
Post by: Risso on March 27, 2024, 12:42:21 PM
Post by: Ads on March 27, 2024, 12:58:34 PM
Post by: Drummond on March 27, 2024, 01:52:19 PM
Yeah I agree. There's definitely something in there with a natural quality, which when you combine his physical presence, could make him a monster for us in a year or too. Hopefully with JJ still in the side. Absolute nails them pair.
I agree with you both. It's another sign of planning for the future, which I'm all for.
Post by: eamonn on March 27, 2024, 02:57:31 PM
Pleased for Rogers, that second one was calm as you like.
Madueke looks a special talent. He really could do with moving to a big club to fulfil his potential.
Nice to get a couple of goals from the bench. Not sure of the quality of Luxembourg though...
Madueke reminds me of Philogene.
Lots of pace, lots of skill, but with inconsistent end product.
Great on the ball though.
Philogene now has consistent end-product. Hopefully we see it with us in the Premier League next season.
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 27, 2024, 05:08:55 PM
I hope he does return.
I thought he looked decent for us pre-season & is the perfect Ramsey cover & competition.
Post by: Richard E on March 31, 2024, 06:29:57 AM
Post by: PhilVill on March 31, 2024, 06:38:32 AM
Post by: Villafirst on March 31, 2024, 07:05:06 AM
Post by: ldavfc4eva on March 31, 2024, 08:43:33 AM
Looks best further up, but also the way he carried it forward a couple of times yesterday reminded me of JJ, so can see why Unai played him where he did.
Looks a great prospect
Post by: PeterWithe on March 31, 2024, 08:52:21 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on March 31, 2024, 09:33:42 AM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on March 31, 2024, 10:00:14 AM
The amount of times he had to be in Moreno’s spot blocking crosses from their right winger yesterday baffled me, with Moreno nowhere to be seen 🤯
Post by: Dogtanian on March 31, 2024, 10:41:30 AM
He did really well going past people and physically defending the ball, only to hold it a tad too long and miss the pass to continue the move. He wins the free kick, yes, but there are times when releasing the ball would have put us at a better advantage than a free kick well outside the area.
He’ll get better at that as he’s coached, and should progress a lot for next season.
Post by: AV84 on March 31, 2024, 10:53:05 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on March 31, 2024, 11:00:06 AM
He looks like he's really got something when he's carrying the ball but we need to think of his best position as that wasn't it yesterday, he switched off constantly and let the opposition overload Moreno. Promising though.
From what I've seen so far, I think the 'number 10' role would suit him perfectly. He would be able to get on the ball in that area between the opposition midfield and defence and drive with the ball, which he looks good at.
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 31, 2024, 11:32:20 AM
There's definitely lots of potential to work on. He looks very strong physically. He burst past their midfield in one run, Sarabia ended up nearly pulling his shirt off his back and got booked.
The dude before Sarabia fouled him too.
I think that five minute passage of play summed up Rogers at the moment for me.
Dynamic & powerful running, showing lots of potential.
But defensively, he didn't track back enough & allowed Semedo to go past him & cause problems for Moreno.
But there is certainly something strong, powerful, with a touch of finesse to build on & a good pre-season with us should benefit him a lot.
Post by: colin69 on March 31, 2024, 12:07:48 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 31, 2024, 12:13:07 PM
Post by: Ian. on March 31, 2024, 12:15:22 PM
He looks like he's going to be a player once Emery's been to work on him.
I agree, I’ve got a very good feeling about him. He’s been asked to play a very different game at the moment but he’s settling in very well. I reckon further forward he’s going to be a massive threat.
Post by: robleflaneur on March 31, 2024, 12:34:44 PM
Totally agree with these comments.I think Emery made a mistake,is that possible ?,starting Moreno and Rogers on the left.He looks like he's going to be a player once Emery's been to work on him.
I agree, I’ve got a very good feeling about him. He’s been asked to play a very different game at the moment but he’s settling in very well. I reckon further forward he’s going to be a massive threat.
Rogers on the ball,however,looked sensational.He will be very good in a more advanced role.
Post by: chrisw1 on March 31, 2024, 01:10:29 PM
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 31, 2024, 06:58:10 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 31, 2024, 07:04:06 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 31, 2024, 07:07:49 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on March 31, 2024, 07:09:45 PM
Is he here as the Ramsay replacement and to help with FFP?
No-one has really been able to properly replace Ramsey in that role so far. There is, however, a certain player at another club who could be very suited to it.
Post by: OCD on March 31, 2024, 09:40:59 PM
Is he here as the Ramsay replacement and to help with FFP?
That thought has crossed my mind too.
Post by: Drummond on March 31, 2024, 10:03:49 PM
Surely the ref should have booked both wolves players that pulled him back during the movement. After all he though the first one was a foul but because Rogers skilled out of it, he waved play on only for the second to pull him back.
Absolutely, both were bookable offences.
Post by: SaddVillan on April 01, 2024, 05:56:45 PM
Is he here as the Ramsay replacement and to help with FFP?
The Guardian seems to be thinking along the same lines:
Villa looking to squad depth
Aston Villa may have to sell big this summer, having posted a loss of £119.6m in their 2022-23 accounts, but their succession planning looks a lot healthier than most of their Midlands rivals. Wolves, whose five frontline injuries necessitated the inclusion of seven academy players in their matchday squad, only squeaked in under the Premier League’s permitted-losses barrier by offloading £150m worth of talent last summer. Nottingham Forest have been docked four points; Leicester City are also facing punishment. Clubs are allowed to lose up to £105m over a three-year period but even if Villa’s claim that their latest figures “are in line with the strategic business plan” looks dubious, their squad depth suggests they need not panic. If they sold Jacob Ramsey or Leon Bailey for £50m, they have the likes of Morgan Rogers, who cost an initial £8m from Middlesbrough in January, bursting through. Pete Lansley
That thought has crossed my mind too.
Post by: Beard82 on April 01, 2024, 06:28:40 PM
Why would we sell either for 50m unless they had a release clause? This season Bailey has been Grealishesque - and selling Ramsey after this season would be stupid as he has hardly played - but last summer he had to be worth 70m+Is he here as the Ramsay replacement and to help with FFP?
The Guardian seems to be thinking along the same lines:
Villa looking to squad depth
Aston Villa may have to sell big this summer, having posted a loss of £119.6m in their 2022-23 accounts, but their succession planning looks a lot healthier than most of their Midlands rivals. Wolves, whose five frontline injuries necessitated the inclusion of seven academy players in their matchday squad, only squeaked in under the Premier League’s permitted-losses barrier by offloading £150m worth of talent last summer. Nottingham Forest have been docked four points; Leicester City are also facing punishment. Clubs are allowed to lose up to £105m over a three-year period but even if Villa’s claim that their latest figures “are in line with the strategic business plan” looks dubious, their squad depth suggests they need not panic. If they sold Jacob Ramsey or Leon Bailey for £50m, they have the likes of Morgan Rogers, who cost an initial £8m from Middlesbrough in January, bursting through. Pete Lansley
That thought has crossed my mind too.
Sooner FFP goes the better - absolute shambles that harms so many aspects of the game.
Post by: OCD on April 01, 2024, 07:45:24 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on April 01, 2024, 09:37:28 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2024/03/31/aston-villa-ace-morgan-rogers-unai-emery-tells-me-im-still-a-championship-player/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2024/03/31/aston-villa-ace-morgan-rogers-unai-emery-tells-me-im-still-a-championship-player/)
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 01, 2024, 10:49:28 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 05, 2024, 12:09:19 AM
https://x.com/buendiazboyz/status/1776023515767898406
Post by: Steve67 on April 05, 2024, 10:50:32 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on April 05, 2024, 10:59:56 AM
Saw someone the other day liken him to Stan Collymore in the way he collects and moves with the ball and I can see that.
Post by: OCD on April 05, 2024, 11:12:10 AM
Post by: LeeB on April 05, 2024, 11:17:59 AM
Post by: Risso on April 05, 2024, 11:19:46 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on April 05, 2024, 12:34:17 PM
He was excellent at Man City.
https://x.com/buendiazboyz/status/1776023515767898406
There's a Buendianess about him we have missed.
Post by: Risso on April 05, 2024, 02:43:53 PM
I don't think Ramsey has been very good in the few games he's played this season. It's almost certainly because his foot hasn't been right, but he's been nowhere near his best. There were signs he was getting back to form, but that foot obviously has never been right, and I reckon that's it for him this season. If they need to re-operate and make sure it's healed so he can have a pre-season and go into next season fully fit, then that's what they should do. It very, very clearly isn't a "small injury' though.
One of those rare occasions where I’n right, sadly.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 05, 2024, 05:38:33 PM
I don't think Ramsey has been very good in the few games he's played this season. It's almost certainly because his foot hasn't been right, but he's been nowhere near his best. There were signs he was getting back to form, but that foot obviously has never been right, and I reckon that's it for him this season. If they need to re-operate and make sure it's healed so he can have a pre-season and go into next season fully fit, then that's what they should do. It very, very clearly isn't a "small injury' though.
One of those rare occasions where I’n right, sadly.
I did notice the sudden cold in Dis the other day.
Post by: Richard E on April 05, 2024, 05:44:50 PM
Post by: brontebilly on April 06, 2024, 11:28:20 AM
I like him in that 'number 10' role. Think he's far more suited to that than the 'Ramsey' role as he doesn't have to do as much defensive work.
Saw someone the other day liken him to Stan Collymore in the way he collects and moves with the ball and I can see that.
Stan had that critical burst of acceleration though, Rogers doesn't have it. Rogers does have a lovely weight of pass on him, that was a quality assist the other night. He's a big unit too, no one is getting the ball off him handy especially when he gets turned on it.
I do think he has a big summer ahead in the gym to get to the physical level Emery needs.
Post by: Risso on April 06, 2024, 11:36:10 AM
I do think he has a big summer ahead in the gym to get to the physical level Emery needs.
Not sure about that, he's big and physical enough, any more and he's going to be too bulky and will lose whatever speed he has. I'd say he needs to work on overall fitness and acceleration.
Post by: Smithy on April 06, 2024, 12:40:44 PM
I do think he has a big summer ahead in the gym to get to the physical level Emery needs.
Not sure about that, he's big and physical enough, any more and he's going to be too bulky and will lose whatever speed he has. I'd say he needs to work on overall fitness and acceleration.
Yep, if he could find a burst to make him a yard quicker over the first 10 yards, he'd be a beast. He has everything else he needs already. A burst of acceleration and some coaching is all he's missing from being a top player at this level. I do wonder if this is what Monchi/Unai have seen in him, potential-wise.
Is there a way to do the exact opposite of what Gabby did that summer when he discovered body building?
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 06, 2024, 04:05:15 PM
Morgan Rogers will score tomorrow.Foresight !!
That's a brilliant goal and Richard that's quite a brilliant shout !
Left footed wonder! And wonder prediction !
Great work!
Up the Villa!
Post by: Villafirst on April 06, 2024, 06:22:27 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on April 06, 2024, 07:00:04 PM
Morgan Rogers will score tomorrow..can you also make that prediction for Thursday night please
Rodgers goal was brilliant. After brentford scored he literally disappeared. Barrjng the goal i thought he wasnt good 2nd half like 1st
Post by: manic-road on April 06, 2024, 07:02:11 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 06, 2024, 07:06:03 PM
.can you also make that prediction for Thursday night please
Rodgers goal was brilliant. After brentford scored he literally disappeared. Barrjng the goal i thought he wasnt good 2nd half like 1st
Rogers.
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on April 06, 2024, 07:24:16 PM
Great signing.
Post by: Villafirst on April 06, 2024, 07:28:01 PM
Morgan Rogers will score tomorrow..can you also make that prediction for Thursday night please
Rodgers goal was brilliant. After brentford scored he literally disappeared. Barrjng the goal i thought he wasnt good 2nd half like 1st
I don't think you can single him out for that 15 minute spell when we conceded 3 goals. The whole team switched off in that period of play. His transition from the championship into the pace and intensity of the Premier League has been very impressive.
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 06, 2024, 07:47:15 PM
Having had a chance to see him over a spell of games, I really, really like the look of him. He's got everything he needs in his locker - touch, technique, strength, composure, work rate - and has settled in really quickly and showed bags of maturity. He's going to be an important player for us over the years.
An excellent signing.
Post by: Drummond on April 06, 2024, 07:51:20 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 06, 2024, 07:53:17 PM
Post by: Risso on April 06, 2024, 08:06:06 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on April 06, 2024, 08:24:15 PM
.can you also make that prediction for Thursday night please
Rodgers goal was brilliant. After brentford scored he literally disappeared. Barrjng the goal i thought he wasnt good 2nd half like 1st
Rogers.
I see what you did there 😏
Post by: Smirker on April 06, 2024, 08:24:36 PM
I think that he is showing more and more each game.
Keep going.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 06, 2024, 08:31:08 PM
Post by: oldhill_avfc on April 06, 2024, 08:53:05 PM
We don't miss Ramsey with him in the team.
I think that he is showing more and more each game.
Keep going.
We do. Massively.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 06, 2024, 09:16:04 PM
.can you also make that prediction for Thursday night please
Rodgers goal was brilliant. After brentford scored he literally disappeared. Barrjng the goal i thought he wasnt good 2nd half like 1st
Rogers.
I see what you did there 😏
Maybe I should have gone for that username instead, the initials would have worked better. :)
Post by: Smirker on April 06, 2024, 09:19:23 PM
We don't miss Ramsey with him in the team.
I think that he is showing more and more each game.
Keep going.
We do. Massively.
We don't.
Post by: rob_bridge on April 06, 2024, 09:23:26 PM
He is not on Ramsey's level.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 06, 2024, 09:25:50 PM
He played well today but faded after his goal - didn't many.
He is not on Ramsey's level.
Bit early to judge that. A. he’s already showing remarkable progression, so his ceiling is potentially very high and b. We’ve no idea what level JJ will manage when he’s back.
Post by: Villan82 on April 06, 2024, 09:32:56 PM
Post by: Steve67 on April 06, 2024, 09:51:40 PM
We don't miss Ramsey with him in the team.
I think that he is showing more and more each game.
Keep going.
We do. Massively.
We don't.
We miss having the option. Ramsey was just getting back up to speed when he got injured again and to have him available now that Luiz is suspended would be helpful.
Post by: rob_bridge on April 06, 2024, 11:13:40 PM
He played well today but faded after his goal - didn't many.
He is not on Ramsey's level.
Bit early to judge that. A. he’s already showing remarkable progression, so his ceiling is potentially very high and b. We’ve no idea what level JJ will manage when he’s back.
I meant not yet - others are saying we aren't missing Ramsey. We are overall.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 06, 2024, 11:20:17 PM
Don’t think his defensive play is great though.
Post by: eamonn on April 06, 2024, 11:30:50 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 07, 2024, 08:11:35 AM
Emery's subs today were whack. Our best player today full of confidence and he's subbed for misfit Zaniolo. Then we wait til the 90th minute before finally launching Duran and giving their broute centre backs something new to handle.
I don’t think Rogers has 90 minutes in him yet. He is being asked to cover more ground in midfield than he would as an all-out attacker. There’s definitely a player in there though. Not sure why the Boro fans seemed so happy for him to leave.
Post by: Ads on April 07, 2024, 08:19:06 AM
One of the bright spots in the team at the moment, he’s been excellent.
He really has. He's really rough round the edges, but you can see the sparks from Emery's lathe flying with him. He'll be a proper player.
Post by: LeonW on April 07, 2024, 08:39:58 AM
One of the bright spots in the team at the moment, he’s been excellent.
He really has. He's really rough round the edges, but you can see the sparks from Emery's lathe flying with him. He'll be a proper player.
Yes. You can see there’s something there. Against Wolves he glided past players with ease despite their attempts to bring him down. Yesterday he got a lovely goal. I think he’ll prove to be a bargain in time. You can see that in the way he carries the fight to the opposition with his ball carrying it will help is defensively in the future.
Post by: PeterWithe on April 07, 2024, 08:56:32 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on April 07, 2024, 09:58:56 AM
I like him a lot, you see an improvement in him every game.
I agree, it was also noticeable that he was getting a lot of instruction from the dugout about his positioning throughout his time on the pitch. He looks great on the ball, works hard and seems to have the right attitude.
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 07, 2024, 12:00:33 PM
The work Emery has done with the likes of Douglas Luiz, Watkins, Bailey, etc, suggest that if any manager can help him fulfil that potential, it is him.
Maybe thats what the club thought too when they saw something in him & purchased him.
Post by: eamonn on April 07, 2024, 02:12:15 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 07, 2024, 02:41:57 PM
I think he was viewed as a stronger prospect when he was 18-ish.
He dropped off a little after his Bournemouth & Blackpool loans in my humble opinion.
But we can agree to disagree.
Either way, I think we can both agree that Emery could mould him into a very good player over time... 👍
Post by: Clampy on April 07, 2024, 03:00:13 PM
I do.
I think he was viewed as a stronger prospect when he was 18-ish.
He dropped off a little after his Bournemouth & Blackpool loans in my humble opinion.
But we can agree to disagree.
Either way, I think we can both agree that Emery could mould him into a very good player over time... 👍
Tracking a future Villa player whilst on loan at Bournemouth and Blackpool. Now that's foresight!
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 07, 2024, 03:14:11 PM
Nah, he is just a player that I noticed a few years back because of the hype, so I watched a couple of games with him & Brennan Johnson when they were both at Lincoln.
Johnson definitely stood out more between the two, probably due to his pace, but Rogers physicality was impressive for a youngster.
I followed the news & reviews for both of them a bit after they left Lincoln.
But, it's not like I had scouting reports on them in my filing cabinet, lol. 😉
Youth football & strong prospects interests me quite a bit, which is why Villa being forced to sell our academy players due to FFP is pissing me off quite a lot...
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 07, 2024, 07:58:01 PM
Post by: SteveN on April 07, 2024, 08:10:14 PM
Post by: colin69 on April 07, 2024, 08:24:38 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 07, 2024, 10:05:22 PM
He also cost in today’s market next to nothing. What was it £8-10m plus a bit more based on hitting objectives. Even if he’s a complete miss, and there is nothing to suggest he will be, it’s not going to be load of money we’ve wasted.
Yeah, I had to come to the realisation that the fee was actually quite decent for a kid with potential & his numbers after I actually checked the stats.
I went off what I thought they were originally & was pleasantly surprised when I checked them. Taught me a lesson to check the numbers before forming my opinion too, lol.
So far, & while its still early days, so far his form suggests that once Emery has finished coaching him that fee could be an absolute bargain...
Post by: darren woolley on April 08, 2024, 09:16:23 AM
Post by: DrGonzo on April 08, 2024, 05:42:44 PM
Post by: Mister E on April 08, 2024, 06:26:48 PM
There are some deals to be had in the lower divisions worth taking a punt on. Rogers obviously one and I have been impressed from what I have seen by Plymouth’s Morgan Whittaker.I gather there's a lad called Philogene whom several Premier League clubs are looking at ...
Post by: Somniloquism on April 08, 2024, 06:44:22 PM
He was criticised for not tracking back and supporting Moreno last time he played on the left, he did a lot better this time, positive signs. The goal will give him some real confidence and drive to finish the season strongly. I wonder if his substition was with an eye on upcoming fixtures and the season ending injury for Ramsey. I can't imagine Zaniolo will start on Thursday and he's still new to the pace and pressure of top level football, we can't afford to have him break down on the run in.
Well it was Digne on the left on Saturday so did he track back or did we have a better defender so it he didn't have to/ wasn't noticed as much. I don't know what play happened before the first goal (corner or something), but Digne was on the right with Tielemans defending a throw-in, two of their defenders was in the centre of the box and Rogers was ambling back from the halfway line. I'm not having ago, just wondering why they had so many forward then and the right hand side was bear of any of our players. Give him credit, he did run back when the ball was almost cleared by Wissa, and the secondary danger unfolded, but if he had been back defending more when the Throw-in was given to them, he might have won that ball or did a better stop of the secondary ball and those 9 mins don't happen.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 08, 2024, 06:46:07 PM
There are some deals to be had in the lower divisions worth taking a punt on. Rogers obviously one and I have been impressed from what I have seen by Plymouth’s Morgan Whittaker.I gather there's a lad called Philogene whom several Premier League clubs are looking at ...
Leeds Archie Gray right back /midfielder
Ipswich Leif Davies - left back
Swansea Nathan Wood centre back
Post by: andyh on April 09, 2024, 06:57:42 AM
For me, shades of Collymore.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on April 09, 2024, 09:06:50 AM
Post by: Risso on April 09, 2024, 09:08:54 AM
I wonder if Unai and the team see him as someone they can mould into a new Ollie?
I wouldn't have said so. He doesn't look like an out-and-out striker to me, and he doesn't look quick enough for a start. He's strong, with good balance and quick feet, so one of the attacking positions for sure, but not our main forward.
Post by: Smithy on April 09, 2024, 11:49:48 AM
I am really excited about this kid.
For me, shades of Collymore.
Would be nice if he could become that sort of player! Collymore also had a quiet few years (including being let go at 21 by Palace) before taking off with Forest.
I do sometimes wonder if it just takes a bit longer for the bigger, more physical players to hit their stride. The players who burst onto the scene as teenagers all generally tend to be quite small, and have finished their growing by about 18 - they are the finished product, physically speaking, at that age. Whereas the bigger units like Morgan continue to grow until 20-21, which must make it harder for them to really push on to the required technical/physical levels?
His improvement already is pretty impressive. Imagine what he could be like this time next year?
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 09, 2024, 11:58:18 AM
I wonder if Unai and the team see him as someone they can mould into a new Ollie?
I wouldn't have said so. He doesn't look like an out-and-out striker to me, and he doesn't look quick enough for a start. He's strong, with good balance and quick feet, so one of the attacking positions for sure, but not our main forward.
Behind Watkins or someone like him would be best.
He has vision & likes a threaded through ball, to add to his ability to drive forward with the ball.
That best suits a fast striker to chase them.
I wonder what we would be like if we switched Bailey to the left, Diaby on the right, & Rogers sat just behind Watkins. Then behind them, McGinn & Douglas Luiz.
Would give pace all around Rogers to chase through balls, especially on the wings, running ability with the ball from all three behind Watkins, etc, etc...
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 09, 2024, 12:01:13 PM
I do sometimes wonder if it just takes a bit longer for the bigger, more physical players to hit their stride. The players who burst onto the scene as teenagers all generally tend to be quite small, and have finished their growing by about 18 - they are the finished product, physically speaking, at that age. Whereas the bigger units like Morgan continue to grow until 20-21, which must make it harder for them to really push on to the required technical/physical levels?
His improvement already is pretty impressive. Imagine what he could be like this time next year?
There might be something to the stronger players having a more difficult time adapting to mens football too, because they have dominated so much at youth level, that jump to the mens game is all the more difficult.
And while they have the physical attributes to compete, the mental side of the game not being so easy as it was at youth level cant be good on a young kids confidence.
Post by: Risso on April 09, 2024, 12:05:49 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 09, 2024, 12:11:32 PM
Maybe Im thinking of the pacy ones...
I suppose it depends on the player, I guess.
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 09, 2024, 01:39:27 PM
All the players wear those electronic devices in what looks like a bra which records and reports all their physical outputs, breathing, stamina etc whilst a group of analysts watch on and they can see when players are reaching their limits - hence some players it seems strange that they are pulled off. Tiredness can lead to all sorts of muscle injuries, cramp and going late into tackles etc
I think Morgan was shot when he came off
Post by: Smithy on April 09, 2024, 01:42:46 PM
Is that true though? We've bought up loads of promising kids, but the thing that seems to put the brakes on is that a lot of them are quite small, eg Archer, Barry, Wilson etc. The lads who seem to be more Premier League ready are the physically bigger players like Iroegbunam and Chukwuemeka.
Chukwuemeka Snr was Rogers-sized and nowhere near good enough. Maybe I'm just guilty of mistaking correlation for causation, but it just seems that "generally speaking" the youngest players who become first-team regulars, across the league and not just for us, tend to be the smaller ones who have already stopped growing and so are more physically mature (even if still "small").
Kobie Mainoo is another example. Quite small, and I'll bet he's no bigger at 21 than he is at 18. Whereas 6 ft 3 Paul Pogba left the same club before he was 20 because he wasn't considered "premier league ready", before maturing into an £80m player at Juve.
It feels like the majority of very young players who have become Premier League regulars over the years are small. Not all, but the majority. Recently, there have been the likes of Harvey Elliot, Foden, Garnacho, Saka and Rico Lewis. Going back further you've got the likes of Rooney and Owen, Aaron Lennon, Jack Wilshere. All small-ish players who broke through very young and never went beyond 5'9"-ish. Even our own Jack Grealish didn't really become a first-team regular until just before his 20th birthday, when he'd filled out and grown a bit.
I just think for some of the bigger players (or players still growing) it takes a while to physically mature, playing at 21 in a body that is unrecognisable to the one they played in at 17 - whereas some other players are exactly the same at 21 as they were at 17 - and they're the ones who break through quicker.
There are exceptions, of course. Evan Ferguson is the one who springs to mind right now, but it will be interesting to see how much bigger he is at 21 compared to his debut at 18. It's why I'm always loathe to write off promising youth players until they're 21-ish, as I always think a growing player who was brilliant at 18 can have a couple of fallow years before they come back strongly in their early twenties.
Anyway, here's hoping Rogers is the second coming of Collymore (the Forest version, and the one we got when he wasn't fighting his demons!)
Post by: Vegas on April 09, 2024, 01:59:37 PM
There are some deals to be had in the lower divisions worth taking a punt on. Rogers obviously one and I have been impressed from what I have seen by Plymouth’s Morgan Whittaker.I gather there's a lad called Philogene whom several Premier League clubs are looking at ...
Leeds Archie Gray right back /midfielder
Ipswich Leif Davies - left back
Swansea Nathan Wood centre back
Archie Gray is not a “deal to be had, worth taking a punt on”. He will probably go for more than our record transfer, possibly to Real Madrid.
Post by: LeeB on April 09, 2024, 02:08:37 PM
There are some deals to be had in the lower divisions worth taking a punt on. Rogers obviously one and I have been impressed from what I have seen by Plymouth’s Morgan Whittaker.I gather there's a lad called Philogene whom several Premier League clubs are looking at ...
Leeds Archie Gray right back /midfielder
Ipswich Leif Davies - left back
Swansea Nathan Wood centre back
Archie Gray is not a “deal to be had, worth taking a punt on”. He will probably go for more than our record transfer, possibly to Real Madrid.
Or Wulvz. Someone of that ilk.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 10, 2024, 12:48:04 AM
There are some deals to be had in the lower divisions worth taking a punt on. Rogers obviously one and I have been impressed from what I have seen by Plymouth’s Morgan Whittaker.I gather there's a lad called Philogene whom several Premier League clubs are looking at ...
Leeds Archie Gray right back /midfielder
Ipswich Leif Davies - left back
Swansea Nathan Wood centre back
Archie Gray is not a “deal to be had, worth taking a punt on”. He will probably go for more than our record transfer, possibly to Real Madrid.
Wow, I didn’t realise he was that good. I must watch a Leeds game one of these days. I think I watched them over the Easter weekend but I didn’t really notice Gray.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 10, 2024, 12:59:52 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 10, 2024, 02:03:59 PM
https://theathletic.com/5393630/2024/04/10/morgan-rogers-aston-villa-emery/
How Morgan Rogers has hit the ground running at Aston Villa
BIRMINGHAM, ENGLAND - APRIL 06: Morgan Rogers of Aston Villa celebrates after scoring their second goal during the Premier League match between Aston Villa and Brentford FC at Villa Park on April 06, 2024 in Birmingham, England. (Photo by Alex Livesey - Danehouse/Getty Images)
By Jacob Tanswell and Mark Carey
Apr 10, 2024
6
Despite outside perception, those at Aston Villa became unwavering in their endorsement. Morgan Rogers was who Unai Emery and club staff wanted.
Emery had been approaching January’s FA Cup tie at Middlesbrough with typical preparation. His analysis team had compiled extensive clips of the Championship outfit, with Emery going through the level of detail that combined data with the eye test. Every Middlesbrough player was deeply scrutinised and Rogers, having signed in the summer, was anticipated to lead their front line.
Even before the fixture, Emery had become aware of Rogers’ talent and how he, provided Emery worked with the 21-year-old, could be sculpted and refined.
Yet, in truth, Rogers was well-known across coaching circles, especially in the West Midlands. He was raised a stone’s throw away from The Hawthorns, West Brom’s stadium, playing in the club’s academy until he was 17.
Among his backers at youth level were academy manager Mark Harrison and head of junior recruitment Steve Hopcroft. They had both since moved across to work at Villa in similar roles. Harrison’s extensive knowledge — Rogers is not the first to have made the same move and credits Harrison as a chief influence in their formative years — was key in Villa and Emery building an overall view of the England youth international.
go-deeper
GO DEEPER
Rogers caught Guardiola's and Arteta's eye early - now Emery is offering a chance to shine
Following Villa’s 1-0 victory at the Riverside, Emery felt Rogers had stood out. He pressed the club’s ‘triangle of power’ to pursue a deal and, as a result of protracted negotiations, Rogers signed on that winter window’s deadline day for a fee worth £15million ($19m).
Emery saw precocious attributes in Rogers. He could move on both feet and was comfortable receiving the ball in the half-spaces while possessing the power to run behind defences. Most pertinently, Rogers matched the characteristics of Emery’s archetypal attacking midfielder in a 4-2-2-2 system, with his propensity for ball carrying suited to operating in either of the No 10 positions.
This has crystallised in eye-catching carries in a Villa shirt. Rogers has a muscular upper-body build and, at 6ft 2in tall (189 centimetres), protects the ball well while dribbling.
In the example below against Wolves in March, Rogers puts himself between the ball and Santiago Bueno.
Rogers intelligently manoeuvres his body to roll away from pressure before cutting inside to accelerate away.
Despite Joao Gomes’ desperate attempts to stop the transition, Rogers manages to fend off pressure until Pablo Sarabia is eventually fouled in the attacking half.
Having spent the early stages of his career on loan and playing out wide — even occasionally at wing-back during his unsuccessful loan at Bournemouth — the previous 12 months at Blackpool and Middlesbrough started Rogers’ transition to playing centrally.
The image below shows where Rogers has played since his loan at Lincoln City in the 2020-21 season. At 21, Rogers has built considerable experience in the EFL, playing at four different clubs (three on loan) and being tasked with performing multiple roles. His malleability, therefore, has developed into a standout trait and appealed to Emery.
Working under Michael Carrick at the start of the current campaign, Rogers began operating in more meaningful central areas. This, in part, was due to the role he assumed towards the back end of his time at Blackpool, where he moonlighted as a traditional No 9.
The graphic below illustrates how Carrick used Rogers, largely playing behind a sole forward and receiving between the lines in the final third.
In the game against Villa, Rogers played as a withdrawn No 9, initially behind Josh Coburn and then Emmanuel Latte Lath up front.
“Rogers can play as a No 8, a No 10 or sometimes as a striker,” said Emery.
“I think you’ll have a better idea of that than me,” replied Rogers when asked what his best position is. “I’m not sure. I’m happy to play anywhere. I feel I’ve got the capabilities to play in different positions anywhere across the front line. I’ve picked that up since I was young. I’ve played everywhere.”
We can gain a snapshot of Rogers’ attacking profile using smarterscout, which gives players a series of ratings from zero to 99 relative to how often a player performs a given stylistic action or how effective they are at it compared with others playing in their position.
Moving into the middle has impacted Rogers’ box-crashing ability this season, with receptions in the opponent’s box (84 out of 99) a leading strength. Curiously, Rogers remains Middlesbrough’s highest chance-creator from open play (35) despite having left in January.
Such a creative responsibility has contributed to his poor ball retention score (7 out of 99). Still, Rogers has proven to be highly effective in central and half-space areas, with his link-up play volume (76 out of 99) ranking highly.
This has already been exemplified by the upward trajectory of his performances at Villa. Rogers has a goal and an assist in his last two matches, a sign of him becoming better attuned to making quick decisions and working within Emery’s attacking patterns. “I feel I’m finding my feet and I’m getting better every time I step on the pitch,” said Rogers.
Away at Manchester City earlier this month, Rogers provided the assist for Jhon Duran’s finish.
Note how Rogers checks his shoulder before receiving the ball, gauging the picture in front. Recognising he has little time and space, the shoulder check influences his decision to play first-time back to Duran.
On the day, Rogers played as a second forward, switching with Moussa Diaby, who instead played wider.
Predominantly, though, Emery has deployed the England Under-21 international as the left No 10, replicating the role of Jacob Ramsey.
Ramsey has a similarly adept ball-carrying ability, drifting in from the left and into central areas, but with Ramsey’s season beset by injury, Rogers has offered a comparable balance, operating in the same pockets of space and patterns of play, enabling rotations to materialise ahead and outside of him (the latter via an overlapping left-back).
A case in point is demonstrated below during the second half away to Luton Town in March. Here, Rogers comes inside the pitch and offers a passing lane to John McGinn, who splits Luton’s midfield pivot.
Rogers’ movement prompts Ollie Watkins to make his trademark in-to-out run between full-back and centre-back.
A similar passage transpires in the UEFA Conference League fixture against Ajax, with McGinn again splitting the opponent’s midfield with a pass into Rogers.
The first image is a good example of the inverted positions Emery’s No 10s take up when Villa are in comfortable possession.
Rogers’ education as a centre-forward means he has the range to open his stride and run behind defences. This creates variation in his play, not always wanting the ball to feet and becoming unpredictable.
In Villa’s most recent home draw with Brentford, for instance, Rogers makes a run inside the centre-backs.
Rogers’ poise and two-footedness was epitomised in scoring his first Villa goal against Brentford. Drifting from the left and staying between the lines, the attacker makes a blindside run off Vitaly Janelt.
One-versus-one against Kristoffer Ajer, Rogers’ first touch takes the ball inside the defender, creating a yard of space.
Without hesitation, the backlift of Rogers’ strike is short as he shoots with his weaker left into the bottom corner.
Off the field, Rogers is a confident and engaging individual. At Villa and with former team-mates, he is well-liked and among the more open talkers to the media.
Despite the club’s reluctance to allow players to talk in the mixed zone after games (especially after a loss), Rogers is impressive and speaks with a wise head on young shoulders. It is why Emery openly pushes him, even if the player has exceeded early expectations.
“He likes to mention I’m a Championship player a lot,” smiled Rogers. “That’s the relationship we have. He’s trying to push me because he wants me to get to that level and it’s about showing me I can. It’s not a negative thing — no way. It’s motivational.
“If I’m not 100 per cent at the level, he will be the first to let me know. I wouldn’t want to change that. I feel I’m getting better and I’m so happy with the relationship we’ve got.”
The rough plan was for Rogers to use the second half of the campaign as a gradual bedding-in process, aiming to hit the ground running in pre-season. But his maturity, versatility and growing impact have so far vindicated Emery’s role in pushing for Rogers ahead of schedule.
Post by: Risso on April 10, 2024, 02:28:16 PM
Post by: Drummond on April 10, 2024, 02:28:36 PM
Post by: Risso on April 10, 2024, 02:33:28 PM
I hadn't realised he'd started as a Centre Forward; gives us more coverage than I'd thought, and certainly adds more flexibility to the front-line.
It depends if Emery sees him as playing there. I suspect he's just lacking that bit of pace to play there in the Premier League. Maybe in a team that pumps balls up to a big guy he'd do OK as a striker, but not the Emery way, possibly.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 10, 2024, 02:53:14 PM
i think he is as quick or quicker than Watkins.I hadn't realised he'd started as a Centre Forward; gives us more coverage than I'd thought, and certainly adds more flexibility to the front-line.
It depends if Emery sees him as playing there. I suspect he's just lacking that bit of pace to play there in the Premier League. Maybe in a team that pumps balls up to a big guy he'd do OK as a striker, but not the Emery way, possibly.
Post by: Risso on April 10, 2024, 03:56:08 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 10, 2024, 05:36:26 PM
Has this Athletic article been posted? (just stop the page fully loading if you want to read on their site and see the pictures - press escape or the x next to the address bar)Excellent article. This explains , and to what I said and why I see Rogers more suited than Buendia to Emery system.
https://theathletic.com/5393630/2024/04/10/morgan-rogers-aston-villa-emery/
How Morgan Rogers has hit the ground running at Aston Villa
BIRMINGHAM, ENGLAND - APRIL 06: Morgan Rogers of Aston Villa celebrates after scoring their second goal during the Premier League match between Aston Villa and Brentford FC at Villa Park on April 06, 2024 in Birmingham, England. (Photo by Alex Livesey - Danehouse/Getty Images)
By Jacob Tanswell and Mark Carey
Apr 10, 2024
6
Despite outside perception, those at Aston Villa became unwavering in their endorsement. Morgan Rogers was who Unai Emery and club staff wanted.
Emery had been approaching January’s FA Cup tie at Middlesbrough with typical preparation. His analysis team had compiled extensive clips of the Championship outfit, with Emery going through the level of detail that combined data with the eye test. Every Middlesbrough player was deeply scrutinised and Rogers, having signed in the summer, was anticipated to lead their front line.
Even before the fixture, Emery had become aware of Rogers’ talent and how he, provided Emery worked with the 21-year-old, could be sculpted and refined.
Yet, in truth, Rogers was well-known across coaching circles, especially in the West Midlands. He was raised a stone’s throw away from The Hawthorns, West Brom’s stadium, playing in the club’s academy until he was 17.
Among his backers at youth level were academy manager Mark Harrison and head of junior recruitment Steve Hopcroft. They had both since moved across to work at Villa in similar roles. Harrison’s extensive knowledge — Rogers is not the first to have made the same move and credits Harrison as a chief influence in their formative years — was key in Villa and Emery building an overall view of the England youth international.
go-deeper
GO DEEPER
Rogers caught Guardiola's and Arteta's eye early - now Emery is offering a chance to shine
Following Villa’s 1-0 victory at the Riverside, Emery felt Rogers had stood out. He pressed the club’s ‘triangle of power’ to pursue a deal and, as a result of protracted negotiations, Rogers signed on that winter window’s deadline day for a fee worth £15million ($19m).
Emery saw precocious attributes in Rogers. He could move on both feet and was comfortable receiving the ball in the half-spaces while possessing the power to run behind defences. Most pertinently, Rogers matched the characteristics of Emery’s archetypal attacking midfielder in a 4-2-2-2 system, with his propensity for ball carrying suited to operating in either of the No 10 positions.
This has crystallised in eye-catching carries in a Villa shirt. Rogers has a muscular upper-body build and, at 6ft 2in tall (189 centimetres), protects the ball well while dribbling.
In the example below against Wolves in March, Rogers puts himself between the ball and Santiago Bueno.
Rogers intelligently manoeuvres his body to roll away from pressure before cutting inside to accelerate away.
Despite Joao Gomes’ desperate attempts to stop the transition, Rogers manages to fend off pressure until Pablo Sarabia is eventually fouled in the attacking half.
Having spent the early stages of his career on loan and playing out wide — even occasionally at wing-back during his unsuccessful loan at Bournemouth — the previous 12 months at Blackpool and Middlesbrough started Rogers’ transition to playing centrally.
The image below shows where Rogers has played since his loan at Lincoln City in the 2020-21 season. At 21, Rogers has built considerable experience in the EFL, playing at four different clubs (three on loan) and being tasked with performing multiple roles. His malleability, therefore, has developed into a standout trait and appealed to Emery.
Working under Michael Carrick at the start of the current campaign, Rogers began operating in more meaningful central areas. This, in part, was due to the role he assumed towards the back end of his time at Blackpool, where he moonlighted as a traditional No 9.
The graphic below illustrates how Carrick used Rogers, largely playing behind a sole forward and receiving between the lines in the final third.
In the game against Villa, Rogers played as a withdrawn No 9, initially behind Josh Coburn and then Emmanuel Latte Lath up front.
“Rogers can play as a No 8, a No 10 or sometimes as a striker,” said Emery.
“I think you’ll have a better idea of that than me,” replied Rogers when asked what his best position is. “I’m not sure. I’m happy to play anywhere. I feel I’ve got the capabilities to play in different positions anywhere across the front line. I’ve picked that up since I was young. I’ve played everywhere.”
We can gain a snapshot of Rogers’ attacking profile using smarterscout, which gives players a series of ratings from zero to 99 relative to how often a player performs a given stylistic action or how effective they are at it compared with others playing in their position.
Moving into the middle has impacted Rogers’ box-crashing ability this season, with receptions in the opponent’s box (84 out of 99) a leading strength. Curiously, Rogers remains Middlesbrough’s highest chance-creator from open play (35) despite having left in January.
Such a creative responsibility has contributed to his poor ball retention score (7 out of 99). Still, Rogers has proven to be highly effective in central and half-space areas, with his link-up play volume (76 out of 99) ranking highly.
This has already been exemplified by the upward trajectory of his performances at Villa. Rogers has a goal and an assist in his last two matches, a sign of him becoming better attuned to making quick decisions and working within Emery’s attacking patterns. “I feel I’m finding my feet and I’m getting better every time I step on the pitch,” said Rogers.
Away at Manchester City earlier this month, Rogers provided the assist for Jhon Duran’s finish.
Note how Rogers checks his shoulder before receiving the ball, gauging the picture in front. Recognising he has little time and space, the shoulder check influences his decision to play first-time back to Duran.
On the day, Rogers played as a second forward, switching with Moussa Diaby, who instead played wider.
Predominantly, though, Emery has deployed the England Under-21 international as the left No 10, replicating the role of Jacob Ramsey.
Ramsey has a similarly adept ball-carrying ability, drifting in from the left and into central areas, but with Ramsey’s season beset by injury, Rogers has offered a comparable balance, operating in the same pockets of space and patterns of play, enabling rotations to materialise ahead and outside of him (the latter via an overlapping left-back).
A case in point is demonstrated below during the second half away to Luton Town in March. Here, Rogers comes inside the pitch and offers a passing lane to John McGinn, who splits Luton’s midfield pivot.
Rogers’ movement prompts Ollie Watkins to make his trademark in-to-out run between full-back and centre-back.
A similar passage transpires in the UEFA Conference League fixture against Ajax, with McGinn again splitting the opponent’s midfield with a pass into Rogers.
The first image is a good example of the inverted positions Emery’s No 10s take up when Villa are in comfortable possession.
Rogers’ education as a centre-forward means he has the range to open his stride and run behind defences. This creates variation in his play, not always wanting the ball to feet and becoming unpredictable.
In Villa’s most recent home draw with Brentford, for instance, Rogers makes a run inside the centre-backs.
Rogers’ poise and two-footedness was epitomised in scoring his first Villa goal against Brentford. Drifting from the left and staying between the lines, the attacker makes a blindside run off Vitaly Janelt.
One-versus-one against Kristoffer Ajer, Rogers’ first touch takes the ball inside the defender, creating a yard of space.
Without hesitation, the backlift of Rogers’ strike is short as he shoots with his weaker left into the bottom corner.
Off the field, Rogers is a confident and engaging individual. At Villa and with former team-mates, he is well-liked and among the more open talkers to the media.
Despite the club’s reluctance to allow players to talk in the mixed zone after games (especially after a loss), Rogers is impressive and speaks with a wise head on young shoulders. It is why Emery openly pushes him, even if the player has exceeded early expectations.
“He likes to mention I’m a Championship player a lot,” smiled Rogers. “That’s the relationship we have. He’s trying to push me because he wants me to get to that level and it’s about showing me I can. It’s not a negative thing — no way. It’s motivational.
“If I’m not 100 per cent at the level, he will be the first to let me know. I wouldn’t want to change that. I feel I’m getting better and I’m so happy with the relationship we’ve got.”
The rough plan was for Rogers to use the second half of the campaign as a gradual bedding-in process, aiming to hit the ground running in pre-season. But his maturity, versatility and growing impact have so far vindicated Emery’s role in pushing for Rogers ahead of schedule.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 10, 2024, 05:42:36 PM
You really are on form.
Post by: Smithy on April 10, 2024, 05:52:06 PM
i think he is as quick or quicker than Watkins.I hadn't realised he'd started as a Centre Forward; gives us more coverage than I'd thought, and certainly adds more flexibility to the front-line.
It depends if Emery sees him as playing there. I suspect he's just lacking that bit of pace to play there in the Premier League. Maybe in a team that pumps balls up to a big guy he'd do OK as a striker, but not the Emery way, possibly.
He's not slow, but he's certainly not at Watkins' levels of pace. He just doesn't have the acceleration from a standing position that you'd expect to see from a forward with genuine pace. Give him thirty yards to race with a defender, and I think he'd probably hold his own (once he's up to full speed), but he's never going to push it five/ten yards past a full back and simply run around them in the way players like Bailey, Moussa and Moreno can.
And that's okay. He has other aspects to his game that make up for it. If he WAS genuinely quick - like Bailey/Diaby quick - he'd probably have been worth £50m before we bought him.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 10, 2024, 06:00:41 PM
Post by: OCD on April 10, 2024, 06:37:27 PM
I can't wait to see what he can do in a full season as a Villa player next year, he looks like a genuine talent. At the moment I don't think we're missing JJ too much because Rogers is playing so well.
Imagine having the choice of Rogers or a fit-again and in-form Ramsey for that role.
Post by: SaddVillan on April 10, 2024, 10:11:32 PM
I think he's got the physique, strength and pace of a young Stanley Victor.
With another 12 months of coaching from Unai and with the right support off the pitch he's going to be a dangerous player fir us.
Post by: Lsvilla on April 10, 2024, 10:16:18 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 10, 2024, 10:18:25 PM
Post by: paul_e on April 10, 2024, 10:48:02 PM
Post by: Smithy on April 11, 2024, 09:48:55 AM
There’s a base level speed, fast twitch muscles and all that. Like anything it can be augmented, but if you’re not quick you won’t become it through training. That would be my layman’s view.
Also, if you're training to be as quick as possible over the first ten yards, the best way to do that is with muscle - which is why so many sprinters look like bodybuilders. But those gains are absolutely useless if you're then expected to change direction and stop/start regularly.
I'm sure they'll coach and train Morgan to be as quick as he can possibly be, but there is a limit to what can be coached vs what you have naturally when it comes to speed, so I don't expect any dramatic improvements on that front.
Unai and his team didn't buy him for his speed, and I expect they'll focus on getting the best out of him without requiring him to run around the outside of players to do it.
Post by: Risso on April 11, 2024, 09:50:22 AM
Post by: eamonn on April 11, 2024, 10:58:56 AM
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 11, 2024, 01:31:19 PM
Not necessarily the right place to ask but can standing start speed be learned or trained or is it born ?
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Because acceleration is a product of force/mass, to improve acceleration, we must either increase the amount of force produced or decrease the amount of mass the athlete is required to move. Quite often in an attempt to increase force production capabilities, athletes seek to increase their BM. Because the muscle is active and produces force, those individuals with greater muscle cross-sectional area are typically able to produce greater forces. However, when we increase the mass, the body has to overcome a greater amount of inertia to move (F = M × A). This concept is illustrated by Newton’s second law of motion, which states that there is an inverse relationship between mass and acceleration. For instance, Lockie et al. (19) found that although no absolute strength differences existed in the 3 repetition maximum squat for 2 groups of athletes, it was discovered that the faster group of athletes displayed greater relative strength in comparison with their BM. Although greater force may be produced, if the athletes weight also increases, additional force is required to move this mass. Therefore, in some cases, attempting to increase the muscle mass to improve speed and acceleration yields a zero sum gain or even slower acceleration times.
Another method of improving the strength to bodyweight ratio would be to decrease an individual’s amount or percentage of body fat. Intuitively, it makes sense that reducing one’s nonfunctional mass (body fat) may be a more productive approach to improving speed and acceleration than first attempting to add mass because less force is required to overcome inertial forces. This allows the athlete to fully maximize their current force production potential without adding additional mass. Conducting initial body composition estimations may be beneficial to the athlete, coach, and nutritional professional because it aids in the development of appropriate training and nutritional interventions to achieve ideal body compositions to maximize performance.
https://journals.lww.com/nsca-scj/fulltext/2012/12000/methods_of_developing_power_to_improve.8.aspx#:~:text=Because%20acceleration%20is%20a%20product,seek%20to%20increase%20their%20BM. (https://journals.lww.com/nsca-scj/fulltext/2012/12000/methods_of_developing_power_to_improve.8.aspx#:~:text=Because%20acceleration%20is%20a%20product,seek%20to%20increase%20their%20BM.)
Post by: olaftab on April 11, 2024, 01:38:55 PM
Post by: olaftab on April 11, 2024, 01:42:49 PM
Not necessarily the right place to ask but can standing start speed be learned or trained or is it born ?It is said that athletes of West African heritage have a birth advantage. It is to do eith heel spring that is unique to humans in that region a bit like wrist spinners from the Sub-continent. However I have no reference to provide here to add any authority to both of these "facts".
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 14, 2024, 08:27:06 PM
Post by: The Edge on April 14, 2024, 08:29:21 PM
Post by: Beard82 on April 14, 2024, 08:29:25 PM
The speed at which he is developing is incredible. He’s forcing himself into being a regular starter, what a talent.Thought he and Carlos were our best players in the first half.
I dont understand it - how do they know hes ready, when say, someone like Tim I might not be? I know they see them everyday and its there jobs but its a real skill
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 14, 2024, 08:36:44 PM
Post by: Risso on April 14, 2024, 08:38:22 PM
Post by: brontebilly on April 14, 2024, 08:38:54 PM
The speed at which he is developing is incredible. He’s forcing himself into being a regular starter, what a talent.Thought he and Carlos were our best players in the first half.
I dont understand it - how do they know hes ready, when say, someone like Tim I might not be? I know they see them everyday and its there jobs but its a real skill
Maybe a bit fortunate with Ramsey injured he's had more opportunities than expected. He's much better in the centre, gets turned on the ball and with his physique and touch he ain't losing it.
Post by: dr.chekov on April 14, 2024, 08:39:41 PM
He's looking like an asbolute bargain so far, and I think his potential is immense.
totally agree. he looks better every game.
Post by: andyh on April 14, 2024, 08:39:47 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 14, 2024, 08:47:15 PM
He's looking like an asbolute bargain so far, and I think his potential is immense.
Agreed, it's impressive how quickly he's adapted and improved. And if we hadn't drawn Boro in the Cup, he probably wouldn't be at Villa.
Post by: VillaTim on April 14, 2024, 08:51:22 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 14, 2024, 08:57:23 PM
I can't really see any weaknesses in his game, he ticks pretty much all the boxes. I genuinely think he's a Villa legend in the making.
Post by: VillaTim on April 14, 2024, 09:06:02 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on April 14, 2024, 09:17:02 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on April 14, 2024, 09:20:58 PM
I can't really see any weaknesses in his game, he ticks pretty much all the boxes. I genuinely think he's a Villa legend in the making.
He’s not the only one and considering his relative inexperience he can be forgiven but he does give the ball away a bit, he’s got quite a few yellow cards as well so there’s a bit to work on but so far he’s looking like a really good signing for a very modest fee.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 14, 2024, 09:23:14 PM
Post by: DB on April 14, 2024, 09:26:16 PM
It is funny that he came from nowhere. I had never heard of him and don’t think boro fans really bigged him up
My 3 oro mates loved him and were not happy when left but did say we have a top player on our hands.
Post by: DB on April 14, 2024, 09:28:14 PM
It is funny that he came from nowhere. I had never heard of him and don’t think boro fans really bigged him up
My boro mates loved him and were not too happy when left but did say we have a top player on our hands.
Post by: Smithy on April 14, 2024, 09:36:03 PM
It is funny that he came from nowhere. I had never heard of him and don’t think boro fans really bigged him up
My 3 oro mates loved him and were not happy when left but did say we have a top player on our hands.
He's still Boro's highest assist maker this season (8) and their second-highest goal scorer (7). I thought he looked 'off it' a bit in his early appearances, certainly not ready for our first team, and I wondered if we'd spent wisely as he seemed like a lesser version of JJ - but in recent weeks, he's been really excellent. It does make you wonder where Unai and his team would get his level with another year or two of top-level coaching? In terms of natural attributes, he has the lot.
Post by: olaftab on April 14, 2024, 10:02:38 PM
Post by: Matt C on April 14, 2024, 10:19:50 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 14, 2024, 10:29:53 PM
Definitely has the potential to be a future Ballon d'Or winner, cracking bit of business.
Insight!!!!
Post by: Steve67 on April 14, 2024, 10:43:56 PM
He's looking like an asbolute bargain so far, and I think his potential is immense.
Agreed, it's impressive how quickly he's adapted and improved. And if we hadn't drawn Boro in the Cup, he probably wouldn't be at Villa.
I love the fact that he's prepared to throw his body in where it hurts. He's only 21 and has years of development with Unai ahead of him. Even if we do end up paying the 12 or 15 million, whatever it is we agreed. Proper bargain. I fancy he will be called up for England in the next 18 months to 2 years.
Post by: eamonn on April 14, 2024, 11:01:15 PM
He's looking like an asbolute bargain so far, and I think his potential is immense.
Agreed, it's impressive how quickly he's adapted and improved. And if we hadn't drawn Boro in the Cup, he probably wouldn't be at Villa.
Ah, the old John Gregory scouting-school of "He played well against us, let's buy him".
Years later we're still such amateurs. Where's our South American glut of talent á la Brighton? FFS.
Post by: basavfc on April 14, 2024, 11:05:37 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 14, 2024, 11:06:21 PM
He's looking like an asbolute bargain so far, and I think his potential is immense.
Agreed, it's impressive how quickly he's adapted and improved. And if we hadn't drawn Boro in the Cup, he probably wouldn't be at Villa.
Ah, the old John Gregory scouting-school of "He played well against us, let's buy him".
Years later we're still such amateurs. Where's our South American glut of talent á la Brighton? FFS.
I expect it was more the 20 Boro matches Emery analysed before the cup match that brought him to the attention.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 14, 2024, 11:33:22 PM
Post by: Villafirst on April 15, 2024, 12:22:32 AM
He's looking like an asbolute bargain so far, and I think his potential is immense.
Agreed, it's impressive how quickly he's adapted and improved. And if we hadn't drawn Boro in the Cup, he probably wouldn't be at Villa.
Ah, the old John Gregory scouting-school of "He played well against us, let's buy him".
Years later we're still such amateurs. Where's our South American glut of talent á la Brighton? FFS.
He's looking like an asbolute bargain so far, and I think his potential is immense.
Agreed, it's impressive how quickly he's adapted and improved. And if we hadn't drawn Boro in the Cup, he probably wouldn't be at Villa.
I love the fact that he's prepared to throw his body in where it hurts. He's only 21 and has years of development with Unai ahead of him. Even if we do end up paying the 12 or 15 million, whatever it is we agreed. Proper bargain. I fancy he will be called up for England in the next 18 months to 2 years.
With Southgate picking the squad?
Post by: KevinGage on April 15, 2024, 12:47:14 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 15, 2024, 08:54:55 AM
You've got to trust Emery and his team, but I was really sceptical about this one. I now agree that he looks an outstanding prospect - he's getting better with every game and it feels like a great bit of business.
Post by: Ads on April 15, 2024, 08:59:18 AM
He's going to be some player. If we can keep JJ, then having him and Morgan available will let us go full tilt at whatever European competition we're in and the league game following. If we can add a touch more quality in Kamara's spot too then we're really in business.
Very excited to see him progress.
Post by: ROBBO on April 15, 2024, 10:12:25 AM
Post by: Smithy on April 15, 2024, 10:46:47 AM
There's a lot of young talented players out there that will see how our manager vastly improves players and will be open to joining us.
I do think this is an often-missed aspect of our recruitment policy. I'm sure players have a hundred different things going through their minds when moving clubs, not least "how much am I being paid" - but surely ANY player with a bit of self-confidence would be looking at what Emery has done in the last 18 months and be thinking "I wonder what he could do with me?"
Ollie on the verge of a 20-goal premier league season
Bailey becoming the most productive winger in the league
Konsa into the England team
Rogers plucked from the Championship to looking like a top-4 player
Dougie now among the best midfielders in Europe
I don't think there is a single player who has gone backwards? It feels like every player with at least 20 games under him is now better than when he arrived.
Surely that HAS to factor pretty heavily into your thinking if you're an ambitious player confident in your own ability?
Post by: LeeB on April 15, 2024, 10:54:37 AM
There's a lot of young talented players out there that will see how our manager vastly improves players and will be open to joining us.
I do think this is an often-missed aspect of our recruitment policy. I'm sure players have a hundred different things going through their minds when moving clubs, not least "how much am I being paid" - but surely ANY player with a bit of self-confidence would be looking at what Emery has done in the last 18 months and be thinking "I wonder what he could do with me?"
Ollie on the verge of a 20-goal premier league season
Bailey becoming the most productive winger in the league
Konsa into the England team
Rogers plucked from the Championship to looking like a top-4 player
Dougie now among the best midfielders in Europe
I don't think there is a single player who has gone backwards? It feels like every player with at least 20 games under him is now better than when he arrived.
Surely that HAS to factor pretty heavily into your thinking if you're an ambitious player confident in your own ability?
Callum Chambers at a stretch.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 15, 2024, 11:02:29 AM
There's a lot of young talented players out there that will see how our manager vastly improves players and will be open to joining us.
I do think this is an often-missed aspect of our recruitment policy. I'm sure players have a hundred different things going through their minds when moving clubs, not least "how much am I being paid" - but surely ANY player with a bit of self-confidence would be looking at what Emery has done in the last 18 months and be thinking "I wonder what he could do with me?"
Ollie on the verge of a 20-goal premier league season
Bailey becoming the most productive winger in the league
Konsa into the England team
Rogers plucked from the Championship to looking like a top-4 player
Dougie now among the best midfielders in Europe
I don't think there is a single player who has gone backwards? It feels like every player with at least 20 games under him is now better than when he arrived.
Surely that HAS to factor pretty heavily into your thinking if you're an ambitious player confident in your own ability?
Callum Chambers at a stretch.
I've heard the African Car Reverser has even started driving forwards since Unai got here.
Post by: Pat Mustard on April 15, 2024, 11:02:57 AM
There's a lot of young talented players out there that will see how our manager vastly improves players and will be open to joining us.
I do think this is an often-missed aspect of our recruitment policy. I'm sure players have a hundred different things going through their minds when moving clubs, not least "how much am I being paid" - but surely ANY player with a bit of self-confidence would be looking at what Emery has done in the last 18 months and be thinking "I wonder what he could do with me?"
Ollie on the verge of a 20-goal premier league season
Bailey becoming the most productive winger in the league
Konsa into the England team
Rogers plucked from the Championship to looking like a top-4 player
Dougie now among the best midfielders in Europe
I don't think there is a single player who has gone backwards? It feels like every player with at least 20 games under him is now better than when he arrived.
Surely that HAS to factor pretty heavily into your thinking if you're an ambitious player confident in your own ability?
Totally agree with this - all other things being equal, for a young player looking to progress we will be one of the most attractive clubs in Europe right now. I wonder what Chucky, for instance, thinks about his decision to go to Chelsea right now?
With Unai, Monchi and the rest of the team he has around him we have a very real chance of becoming what Dortmund were a few years ago, and able to hoover up the best prospects from around the world. The potential game-changer for us though is Premier League money to add to the mix - we would hopefully have the ability to hang on to the very best ones for a couple of years longer than they were ever able to.
Post by: OCD on April 15, 2024, 11:27:54 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 15, 2024, 11:29:22 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 15, 2024, 11:32:25 AM
Worth a look
Post by: itbrvilla on April 15, 2024, 11:32:40 AM
Post by: eamonn on April 15, 2024, 11:35:27 AM
There's a lot of young talented players out there that will see how our manager vastly improves players and will be open to joining us.
I do think this is an often-missed aspect of our recruitment policy. I'm sure players have a hundred different things going through their minds when moving clubs, not least "how much am I being paid" - but surely ANY player with a bit of self-confidence would be looking at what Emery has done in the last 18 months and be thinking "I wonder what he could do with me?"
Ollie on the verge of a 20-goal premier league season
Bailey becoming the most productive winger in the league
Konsa into the England team
Rogers plucked from the Championship to looking like a top-4 player
Dougie now among the best midfielders in Europe
I don't think there is a single player who has gone backwards? It feels like every player with at least 20 games under him is now better than when he arrived.
Surely that HAS to factor pretty heavily into your thinking if you're an ambitious player confident in your own ability?
Callum Chambers at a stretch.
And our Hause but he's been crocked innit. Plus he has a music career to consider.
Post by: Risso on April 15, 2024, 11:43:59 AM
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on April 15, 2024, 11:44:58 AM
Having the ability to do both and know when is the right time for either manoeuvre is the hall mark of a top natural talent.
What a signing. Great he’s a local lad to boot.
Post by: LeeB on April 15, 2024, 11:47:00 AM
I don't think anybody has gone backwards as such. The squad has got better players in it, so the likes of Chambers don't get much game time, and when they do you're reminded of how bang average they are. Diaby needs to do a lot better next season, and Moreno isn't as good as he was last year. Just about everybody else though, has come on leaps and bounds.
I think in the case of Chambers he's particularly not suited to the way Emery plays hence me saying he's the one you could argue has gone backwards, but it's a moot point as he's very much a fringe player.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 15, 2024, 11:50:58 AM
As well as taking the ball in and running with it he plays some lovely first time touches.That is what has surprised me. He initially looked good running with the ball but I was concerned about the rest of his game. Seeing how quickly he has got up to speed with the passing game under extreme pressure has really impressed me.
Having the ability to do both and know when is the right time for either manoeuvre is the hall mark of a top natural talent.
What a signing. Great he’s a local lad to boot.
Post by: caster troy on April 15, 2024, 11:51:07 AM
https://x.com/buendiazboyz/status/1779816669285634328
Worth a look
*Insert Ancellotti eyebrow raise gif here*
Post by: Smithy on April 15, 2024, 11:51:09 AM
I don't think anybody has gone backwards as such. The squad has got better players in it, so the likes of Chambers don't get much game time, and when they do you're reminded of how bang average they are. Diaby needs to do a lot better next season, and Moreno isn't as good as he was last year. Just about everybody else though, has come on leaps and bounds.
With Moreno there are two factors at play I think, one is his injury. Six months out with a significant hamstring injury to a player who relies on pace is going to have an impact when returning reaching his previous levels, and secondly the form of Digne, who has (like so many others) been excellent under Emery this season when it looked like his time with us could be up.
So if he isn't as good as he was last year (and I agree that he isn't), I do think it's mostly down to him not playing his way back into form following a significant injury more than anything else.
Post by: LeeB on April 15, 2024, 11:54:41 AM
I don't think anybody has gone backwards as such. The squad has got better players in it, so the likes of Chambers don't get much game time, and when they do you're reminded of how bang average they are. Diaby needs to do a lot better next season, and Moreno isn't as good as he was last year. Just about everybody else though, has come on leaps and bounds.
With Moreno there are two factors at play I think, one is his injury. Six months out with a significant hamstring injury to a player who relies on pace is going to have an impact when returning reaching his previous levels, and secondly the form of Digne, who has (like so many others) been excellent under Emery this season when it looked like his time with us could be up.
So if he isn't as good as he was last year (and I agree that he isn't), I do think it's mostly down to him not playing his way back into form following a significant injury more than anything else.
Another factor with Moreno is he's missed Ramsey who created a shit tonne of space for him to exploit.
Ramsey has been the big miss this season for me, had he been available all season after the way he finished last I think we'd genuinely be in the title race and he'd be a shoe-in for the Euros.
Post by: Risso on April 15, 2024, 11:57:34 AM
Another factor with Moreno is he's missed Ramsey who created a shit tonne of space for him to exploit.
Ramsey has been the big miss this season for me, had he been available all season after the way he finished last I think we'd genuinely be in the title race and he'd be a shoe-in for the Euros.
Agreed Lee. I think most of the time we've got the points we deserve and when you look at games like Newcastle, Liverpool and Spurs (home) we were well beaten. I'd argue that we *should* have got more points against Sheff U at home, Man U away and Brentford at home. 7 more points from that and we'd be right in the title race.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 15, 2024, 10:46:20 PM
https://x.com/buendiazboyz/status/1779816669285634328
Worth a look
Might just have been the match situations, but he seemed to be on the right a lot in that compilation rather then the left. His spin and dink to Bailey in the tight situation was exquisite.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 15, 2024, 10:50:57 PM
I don't think anybody has gone backwards as such. The squad has got better players in it, so the likes of Chambers don't get much game time, and when they do you're reminded of how bang average they are. Diaby needs to do a lot better next season, and Moreno isn't as good as he was last year. Just about everybody else though, has come on leaps and bounds.
Just one thing on Diaby. Clearly he’s had his struggles, but he’s got something like 5 goals and 7 assists. That’s pretty good for his first season here.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 15, 2024, 10:56:52 PM
I don't think anybody has gone backwards as such. The squad has got better players in it, so the likes of Chambers don't get much game time, and when they do you're reminded of how bang average they are. Diaby needs to do a lot better next season, and Moreno isn't as good as he was last year. Just about everybody else though, has come on leaps and bounds.
Just one thing on Diaby. Clearly he’s had his struggles, but he’s got something like 5 goals and 7 assists. That’s pretty good for his first season here.
For comparison, Bailey didn't reach those figures in total until this season. First season which was injury-ridden he got 1 goal and two assists in 18 appearances. Then 4 goals and 4 assists last season.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 21, 2024, 05:10:59 PM
Post by: LukeJames on April 21, 2024, 05:13:53 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 21, 2024, 05:15:14 PM
Post by: Smirker on April 21, 2024, 05:17:17 PM
We don't miss Ramsey with him in the team.
I think that he is showing more and more each game.
Keep going.
I stick by this.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 21, 2024, 05:21:31 PM
We don't miss Ramsey with him in the team.
I think that he is showing more and more each game.
Keep going.
I stick by this.
I agree.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 21, 2024, 05:22:20 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 21, 2024, 05:31:17 PM
The scary thing is, he is no where near his ceiling. He’s still really raw when it comes to game intelligence and fitness.
He’s not raw in terms of game intelligence. His understanding of the right option to take is exceptional.
Post by: Goldenballs on April 21, 2024, 05:35:17 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 21, 2024, 05:38:42 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 21, 2024, 05:38:56 PM
Seems a long time ago since he got subbed on then off again. He's improving every game
TBF, he was brought on early due to injury. And was subbed off again more through a combination of tiredness and tactical changes. Not as bad as someone being brought on for tactical change, then subbed back off because they had a poor game.
Post by: Villafirst on April 21, 2024, 06:49:35 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 21, 2024, 07:01:55 PM
The scary thing is, he is no where near his ceiling. He’s still really raw when it comes to game intelligence and fitness.
He’s not raw in terms of game intelligence. His understanding of the right option to take is exceptional.
I agree when he has the ball. Impacting the game more when out of possession is where I think he can improve but I’m being hyper critical.
I certainly didn’t think we were signing a player that would be playing at this standard, possibly ever, let alone this quickly.
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 21, 2024, 07:03:19 PM
His strength on the ball is unreal. He just seems to glide across the pitch with it
Post by: Goldenballs on April 21, 2024, 07:16:48 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 21, 2024, 07:17:20 PM
Post by: Risso on April 21, 2024, 07:20:52 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 21, 2024, 07:22:24 PM
Weren't Boro fans not that bothered about losing him? Or have I made that up.
In general yes, but the brontebillys of their board knew he was a top player. They're pleased for him (think it's good for Boro financially due to the add-ons), are glad they got for 1.5m, but acknowledge we've underpaid for him.
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 21, 2024, 07:22:45 PM
Weren't Boro fans not that bothered about losing him? Or have I made that up.
Nah there seemed to be a good amount of their fans thinking we'd overpaid. It may just be as simple as a different system and considerably better players around him allowing him to showcase his ability.
Post by: Kevin Dawson on April 21, 2024, 07:32:04 PM
Post by: LeeB on April 21, 2024, 07:36:31 PM
Post by: Lsvilla on April 21, 2024, 07:37:25 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 21, 2024, 07:41:01 PM
I'd say he's got a better claim to go to the Euros than Mainoo.
With that clown in charge I doubt he has even heard of him
Post by: Somniloquism on April 21, 2024, 07:46:21 PM
I'd say he's got a better claim to go to the Euros than Mainoo.
With that clown in charge I doubt he has even heard of him
I suppose it depends in where he will play Mainoo. If he plays him in the Phillips role in front of the back 4, then that is not Rogers position. TBH it should be instead of Rashford for Rogers.
Post by: Demitri_C on April 21, 2024, 07:49:21 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 21, 2024, 07:53:37 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on April 21, 2024, 08:03:11 PM
I think with Rogers playing like this we may sell Ramsey, which eases all these financial rule crap we have looming.
Be a brave side to pay what we'd want for Ramsey off the back of his injuries. If we hang on to 4th we wont need to sell anyone will we?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 21, 2024, 08:06:18 PM
I think with Rogers playing like this we may sell Ramsey, which eases all these financial rule crap we have looming.
Be a brave side to pay what we'd want for Ramsey off the back of his injuries. If we hang on to 4th we wont need to sell anyone will we?
We might have to sell Olsen to comply with FFP.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 21, 2024, 08:11:16 PM
I’m hoping we can wangle it where we have a whole season rotating Ramsey/Rogers on one side and Bailey/Diaby on the other. Each pair is of the highest class and should keep us fresh despite the number of games we will be playing.
Not sure where Buendia fits into the puzzle. maybe he is first sub, gets back to full fitness.
Post by: villadelph on April 21, 2024, 08:11:41 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 21, 2024, 08:14:09 PM
The fact that we now have a scouting network capable of identifying talents like Morgan is reassuring. I couldn’t be happier for him - thanks Monchi!
Was it Monchi? I thought Emery had identified him based on our scouting for the Boro cup game. Regardless, you’d hope Monchi pulled out a 199 page dossier on the player, providing the stats to back up Emery’s hunch.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 21, 2024, 08:15:07 PM
The fact that we now have a scouting network capable of identifying talents like Morgan is reassuring. I couldn’t be happier for him - thanks Monchi!
I still wonder if it was the scouting network, or just Emery spotting him because he was reviewing Boro matches before we played them in the cup.
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 21, 2024, 08:18:31 PM
I fucking love that man.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 21, 2024, 08:22:29 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 21, 2024, 08:25:42 PM
Post by: Risso on April 21, 2024, 08:30:12 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 21, 2024, 08:30:25 PM
I haven't been this excited about a player for ages.
Post by: AV84 on April 21, 2024, 08:31:57 PM
Post by: Risso on April 21, 2024, 08:34:29 PM
Post by: AV84 on April 21, 2024, 08:35:16 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on April 21, 2024, 08:36:26 PM
His post match interview is well worth a watch. So much energy, you'd think he's had a few lines up his nose.
Where can I watch it?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 21, 2024, 08:38:05 PM
Post by: AV84 on April 21, 2024, 08:52:48 PM
Post by: levico on April 21, 2024, 09:44:43 PM
Read a post on X from someone suggesting we cash in on Ramsey and concentrate on Rogers. I think he’s forgotten just what a tremendous player a fit Jacob Ramsey is. He’s destined for great things. We‘ll need both these players if FFP allows.
Post by: VillaTim on April 21, 2024, 09:49:36 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on April 21, 2024, 10:16:24 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1753376717442539626
What a dumbass.
Post by: aj2k77 on April 21, 2024, 10:23:28 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 21, 2024, 10:26:43 PM
I haven't been this excited about a player for ages.
Same. He was worth the entrance fee on his own today. So entertaining as well as effective for the team. MOTM performance, on a day when Tielemans, Watkins and McGinn were all very special as well.
Post by: VillaTim on April 21, 2024, 10:34:30 PM
Post by: AV84 on April 21, 2024, 10:43:09 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on April 22, 2024, 12:33:56 AM
I think if he can work over the summer on getting that extra little bit of explosiveness, he could become a top player.
Post by: Garyth on April 22, 2024, 02:44:04 AM
Whoever at the club spotted him deserves huge credit. Thought he might appear fleetingly for the remainder of the season, but he's become a regular starter already.
The number of times Emery’s choices have been proven over time, makes me now start to question whether the games we’ve lost this season weren’t actually losses after all - maybe they were just been part of a bigger Emery plan 😂😂😂
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 22, 2024, 03:44:39 AM
Post by: Drummond on April 22, 2024, 06:46:33 AM
This isn't some unknown kid. He has represented England at every level up to U21. Boro paid about £1m for him.
Post by: paul_e on April 22, 2024, 07:25:13 AM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on April 22, 2024, 07:38:49 AM
Post by: Virgil Caine on April 22, 2024, 07:45:37 AM
Post by: Smithy on April 22, 2024, 07:51:45 AM
He will have been on the radar of lots of ciubs (including us) for a while. Was at ManC until last summer, having been at West Brom before that.
This isn't some unknown kid. He has represented England at every level up to U21. Boro paid about £1m for him.
To be fair, it's probably Boro who deserve most of the credit for spotting his potential. Paid £1m, which is nothing these days, and he was starring in the Championship almost immediately. They made a nice tidy profit too, on a player they owned for about 6 months.
To be clear, I think WE got a bargain, just Boro did too.
Post by: Ian. on April 22, 2024, 08:03:35 AM
Post by: rob_bridge on April 22, 2024, 08:10:05 AM
He will have been on the radar of lots of ciubs (including us) for a while. Was at ManC until last summer, having been at West Brom before that.
This isn't some unknown kid. He has represented England at every level up to U21. Boro paid about £1m for him.
To be fair, it's probably Boro who deserve most of the credit for spotting his potential. Paid £1m, which is nothing these days, and he was starring in the Championship almost immediately. They made a nice tidy profit too, on a player they owned for about 6 months.
To be clear, I think WE got a bargain, just Boro did too.
All Pep's doing is it not? Nothing to do with Carrick or Emery
Post by: oldtimernow on April 22, 2024, 08:28:26 AM
Whoever at the club spotted him deserves huge credit. Thought he might appear fleetingly for the remainder of the season, but he's become a regular starter already.
The number of times Emery’s choices have been proven over time, makes me now start to question whether the games we’ve lost this season weren’t actually losses after all - maybe they were just been part of a bigger Emery plan 😂😂😂
Part of Mr Emery’s plan was to give ManUre enough points to ensure Ten Hag stayed in post..
Post by: Mister E on April 22, 2024, 08:37:30 AM
Post by: Risso on April 22, 2024, 08:40:44 AM
Getting Ramsey fit for next season is important because the prospect of JJ and Rogers playing in the same side is very exciting.
Where would you fit both of them in though?
Post by: rob_bridge on April 22, 2024, 08:42:14 AM
Getting Ramsey fit for next season is important because the prospect of JJ and Rogers playing in the same side is very exciting.
Where would you fit both of them in though?
I think Rodgers will be better in the centre - no 8/10 combo. Ramsey better wide left.
Nice headache to have.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 22, 2024, 08:59:15 AM
Getting Ramsey fit for next season is important because the prospect of JJ and Rogers playing in the same side is very exciting.
Where would you fit both of them in though?
I think Rogers best position could well end up being in the 'number 10' role, which would allow Ramsey to come back in on the left.
Post by: Rigadon on April 22, 2024, 09:02:48 AM
Post by: Drummond on April 22, 2024, 09:07:01 AM
Getting Ramsey fit for next season is important because the prospect of JJ and Rogers playing in the same side is very exciting.
Where would you fit both of them in though?
I think Rodgers will be better in the centre - no 8/10 combo. Ramsey better wide left.
Nice headache to have.
Certainly is, and I think that's the point about our squad, it's developing nicely.
Given the injuries we've had, we've coped really, really well.
There's the prospect of a long season ahead next term
Post by: Garyth on April 22, 2024, 09:24:36 AM
Part of Mr Emery’s plan was to give ManUre enough points to ensure Ten Hag stayed in post..
Mr Emery plays 4D chess.
Post by: Olneythelonely on April 22, 2024, 10:03:57 AM
I hope they don’t run out of letter D’s.
Ha
Post by: placeforparks on April 22, 2024, 10:09:29 AM
clearly given he's from the west midlands (and the players and staff poached from west brom in recent years) has been a massive help for him to settle as quickly as he has.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 22, 2024, 10:43:30 AM
a lot of boro fans were saying this move was too early for him, and he should wait for the summer.
clearly given he's from the west midlands (and the players and staff poached from west brom in recent years) has been a massive help for him to settle as quickly as he has.
Generally there is a lack insight and football acumen and have either a biassed opinion or a rudimentary comprehension of player judgement and that's a typical football fan. It seems that the Boro supporters are judging him incorrectly.
Additionally, many of these fans haven't played the game very much, if at all, and that can occasionally be an issue.
Also , because drinking is so common in the Northeast, people's judgement is also tainted when making judgements need a clear head.
Everyone has the right to their own opinions yet these views about how good a player is are frequently inaccurate by your typical football fan.
It's not just anyone who can be a scout.
So "a lot of boro fans were saying this move was too early for him, and he should wait for the summer" clearly have no idea but take your point.
Post by: stevo_st on April 22, 2024, 10:46:44 AM
Post by: ian c. on April 22, 2024, 10:48:23 AM
Also , because drinking is so common in the Northeast, people's judgement is also tainted when making judgements need a clear head.
I can confirm everybody I have ever met from the NE has been a Snake Bite fuelled lunatic who has never played football in their life.
Post by: UK Redsox on April 22, 2024, 10:48:40 AM
Getting Ramsey fit for next season is important because the prospect of JJ and Rogers playing in the same side is very exciting.
Where would you fit both of them in though?
Rogers in the Villa team
Ramsey sold. I fear that his body isn't up to it
Post by: Somniloquism on April 22, 2024, 10:52:01 AM
Getting Ramsey fit for next season is important because the prospect of JJ and Rogers playing in the same side is very exciting.
Where would you fit both of them in though?
Rogers in the Villa team
Ramsey sold. I fear that his body isn't up to it
Well it is only his foot. We will have to see if the several months of healing has the desired effect rather then the several weeks it initially had.
Post by: caster troy on April 22, 2024, 10:55:02 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 22, 2024, 10:57:01 AM
I believe Rodgers is considerably better suited to Emery's football techniques than Carrick's basic skills.
The man who is Boro's top scorer irritates them because he left, they now seem to imply he isn't good and won't make it.
He's doing incredibly well and Rodgers will only get better in our team.
It's the case that he's in the team because Luiz is suspended and there are injuries, but Boro fans should either focus on themselves or show some respect to Rodgers.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 22, 2024, 11:00:11 AM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 22, 2024, 11:01:47 AM
Cant wait next season a fit JJ and Rogers and Buendia too. Fantastic times to come.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on April 22, 2024, 11:14:56 AM
Got great hopes for Morgan.
Post by: rob_bridge on April 22, 2024, 11:18:33 AM
At the risk of hyperbole, some of his play yesterday was world class.If it was Bellingham there'd be another mural made.
Got great hopes for Morgan.
I think his aim could well be to be the England team understudy to Bellingham. Similar attributes. Love the taking on players in middle of the park.
Post by: Chris Smith on April 22, 2024, 11:22:47 AM
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 22, 2024, 11:23:12 AM
Get a load of this.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1753376717442539626
What a dumbass.
"Premier League ignorance..."
I would say there is a fair bit of that in play tbh.
But then again, why should Unai Emery know of every player in the league below when he comes from Spain. Im sure the chap commenting the above wouldn't know every player in the Spanish second division, which would make that "Championship fan ignorance..."
I don't think its a huge criticism, albeit the comment comes from a shoulder chip the size of Bristol.
He has watched videos of Boro before our game with them using his "every single detail" frame of mind & spotted Rogers & thought he could make a decent player out of him. I don't think he had spotted him before we sold them Azaz, otherwise the two would have been in the same deal.
The fact that Rogers has responded to the excellent coaching & development of Emery so quickly, shows that Emery was absolutely correct & the deal has worked out for everybody concerned.
Rogers has surprised me how quickly he has adapted tbh. I also questioned the fee, initially, until I saw his overall league contribution & then I thought it was pretty fair market value.
Now, I think it ciukd become an absolute bargain.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 22, 2024, 11:26:52 AM
Post by: Steve67 on April 22, 2024, 11:26:58 AM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 22, 2024, 11:41:13 AM
a lot of boro fans were saying this move was too early for him, and he should wait for the summer.
clearly given he's from the west midlands (and the players and staff poached from west brom in recent years) has been a massive help for him to settle as quickly as he has.
Generally there is a lack insight and football acumen and have either a biassed opinion or a rudimentary comprehension of player judgement and that's a typical football fan. It seems that the Boro supporters are judging him incorrectly.
Additionally, many of these fans haven't played the game very much, if at all, and that can occasionally be an issue.
Also , because drinking is so common in the Northeast, people's judgement is also tainted when making judgements need a clear head.
Everyone has the right to their own opinions yet these views about how good a player is are frequently inaccurate by your typical football fan.
It's not just anyone who can be a scout.
So "a lot of boro fans were saying this move was too early for him, and he should wait for the summer" clearly have no idea but take your point.
I think that you should go up there with your Villa shirt on and a loud speaker to deliver that message word for word outside their ground at the next home match. You should also add a few bits about how much more intellectually superior you are to them, both in football and general terms. They're a nice friendly bunch up there, keen for self analysis and improvement so i'm sure they'll take it well.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 22, 2024, 11:47:34 AM
He has watched videos of Boro before our game with them using his "every single detail" frame of mind & spotted Rogers & thought he could make a decent player out of him. I don't think he had spotted him before we sold them Azaz, otherwise the two would have been in the same deal.
As we played them several weeks before the Azaz change etc, I suspect he had seen him beforehand. It might be the way PSR worked it was more financially beneficial for us to split the deal, ie get a £1mil value for Azaz and then a separate deal with amortising £8mil over 4/5 years rather then just the £7mil over 4/5 years. (Not sure how add-ons are treated within PSR).
Post by: cdward on April 22, 2024, 11:52:18 AM
Young players in particular can look at how well Rogers has developed by working under a top class coach/manager.
I always think part of the attraction of signing for Man City is that the player will be coached by one of the top managers in football, although after watching Kalvin Phillips experience that attraction may not be as strong.
I think Villa will become a serious destination now for attracting good (young) players, with Unai as your boss, your game will definitely improve and with European football, you will get great experience.
Post by: olaftab on April 22, 2024, 12:01:58 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 22, 2024, 12:20:56 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 22, 2024, 12:23:34 PM
He was previously WBA academy manager and West Brom coaches spoke about how Morgan Rogers would one day play in the Champions League, being held in a completely different, higher level of esteem.
Post by: The Moose on April 22, 2024, 12:28:37 PM
Post by: Risso on April 22, 2024, 12:30:49 PM
May I remind or make aware Rodgers is known to Mark Harrison who is Villa academy manager. His knowledge and development of Rodgers is a key part of him signing, settling and knowing his abilities
He was previously WBA academy manager and West Brom coaches spoke about how Morgan Rogers would one day play in the Champions League, being held in a completely different, higher level of esteem.
There's no 'd' in Rogers.
NO F***ING 'D' in Rogers!
It's Rogers, not Rodgers.
NO D!
Post by: eamonn on April 22, 2024, 12:32:31 PM
I was talking about him with my brother in the pub for the game. He was still to be convinced but I thought in recent games Rogers had to look the part. He’d changed his mind by the time of our post match drink.
Yeah but he'd probably had a skinful by then so we need his sober judgement.
Post by: rob_bridge on April 22, 2024, 12:51:02 PM
May I remind or make aware Rodgers is known to Mark Harrison who is Villa academy manager. His knowledge and development of Rodgers is a key part of him signing, settling and knowing his abilities
He was previously WBA academy manager and West Brom coaches spoke about how Morgan Rogers would one day play in the Champions League, being held in a completely different, higher level of esteem.
There's no 'd' in Rogers.
NO F***ING 'D' in Rogers!
It's Rogers, not Rodgers.
NO D!
Means we can nickname him 'Buck' I suppose.
25th Century Player
Post by: Mister E on April 22, 2024, 01:02:46 PM
Yes, that's what I was thinking.I think Rogers best position could well end up being in the 'number 10' role, which would allow Ramsey to come back in on the left.Getting Ramsey fit for next season is important because the prospect of JJ and Rogers playing in the same side is very exciting.Where would you fit both of them in though?
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 22, 2024, 01:12:34 PM
Post by: supertom on April 22, 2024, 01:14:25 PM
I felt like he did that yesterday for the most part and as Unai has said, this kid learns fast. His recent progress has been very impressive.
He played some excellent passes yesterday and made some of what are becoming trademark breakaways and the finish, like his goal against Brentford was superb.
So much potential. He can play wide, as a 10, and perhaps even be turned into a clinical striker too. I didn't think we'd see too much of him until next season but he looks the part already. Bargain.
Post by: Drummond on April 22, 2024, 01:17:19 PM
May I remind or make aware Rodgers is known to Mark Harrison who is Villa academy manager. His knowledge and development of Rodgers is a key part of him signing, settling and knowing his abilities
He was previously WBA academy manager and West Brom coaches spoke about how Morgan Rogers would one day play in the Champions League, being held in a completely different, higher level of esteem.
There's no 'd' in Rogers.
NO F***ING 'D' in Rogers!
It's Rogers, not Rodgers.
NO D!
Means we can nickname him 'Buck' I suppose.
25th Century Player
I think you mean Bduck
Post by: Drummond on April 22, 2024, 01:19:13 PM
He just seems like a grounded, enthusiastic young man too, which is precisely the sort of player we seem to focus on signing these days. I'm all for it.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 22, 2024, 01:19:17 PM
'if he could learn to release the ball at the right time/to the right player, he could be immense. '
I think he does that brilliantly, it's probably his biggest strength (amongst many strengths, including strength) and he just does it naturally. Some of his passing was exceptional and the ball through for Watkins which led to the second goal was world class.
Post by: rob_bridge on April 22, 2024, 01:22:17 PM
There's no 'd' in Rogers.
NO F***ING 'D' in Rogers!
It's Rogers, not Rodgers.
NO D!
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Means we can nickname him 'Buck' I suppose.
25th Century Player
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I think you mean Bduck
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Buckd
Post by: Drummond on April 22, 2024, 01:24:03 PM
There's no 'd' in Rogers.
NO F***ING 'D' in Rogers!
It's Rogers, not Rodgers.
NO D!
Means we can nickname him 'Buck' I suppose.
25th Century Player
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I think you mean Bduck
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Buckd
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Quote fadil
Post by: Demitri_C on April 22, 2024, 01:26:10 PM
There's no 'd' in Rogers.
NO F***ING 'D' in Rogers!
It's Rogers, not Rodgers.
NO D!
Means we can nickname him 'Buck' I suppose.
25th Century Player
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I think you mean Bduck
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Buckd
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So you are saying there is a chance there is a D in his name then ? 🤭
Post by: paul_e on April 22, 2024, 01:29:44 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on April 22, 2024, 01:31:29 PM
Oh Rob, that's a beautiful quote fail.
One of the best. It's why I do it so infrequently.
Post by: Martyn Smith on April 22, 2024, 01:41:35 PM
Post by: Risso on April 22, 2024, 01:50:25 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 22, 2024, 01:51:12 PM
Thank you Danny Murphy for letting us know that the reason why he's blossomed so well is because of the time he spent at Man City...
Danny Murphy is an absolute clueless bellend.
Post by: Dogtanian on April 22, 2024, 01:53:12 PM
May I remind or make aware Rodgers is known to Mark Harrison who is Villa academy manager. His knowledge and development of Rodgers is a key part of him signing, settling and knowing his abilities
He was previously WBA academy manager and West Brom coaches spoke about how Morgan Rogers would one day play in the Champions League, being held in a completely different, higher level of esteem.
I don't think this has much truth in it. If Harrison was so confident in him then surely we would have been in for him when Boro got him for a cool one million. Instead we only looked at him six months later when Emery saw him and his price had gone up to £8-15m.
Post by: Dogtanian on April 22, 2024, 01:56:30 PM
West Brom have obviously done a good job with him to get him on their radar. Boro then did a good job with him to get him on ours. And Emery has gone a good job with him because you can literally see the improvement in him in only a few months.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 22, 2024, 01:59:00 PM
Quote
...after a decade at Albion, Manchester City’s offer in excess of £4million was accepted and Rogers headed to the Etihad Campus just after turning 17.
He was a part of the Man City under-18 side which beat Chelsea 3-2 in the FA Youth Cup final in 2020, scoring one of the goals, but admitted to struggling to adapt to City’s structure. Pep Guardiola’s methods are spread across the club’s youth sides to allow academy players to fit into the first-team when called on.
However, Rogers felt like a “mannequin” in City’s rigid structure and couldn’t express himself, so his first loan spell at Lincoln - who played a free brand of football - came as a relief. It was his most productive loan spell despite only being at the age of 18...
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/morgan-rogers-england-aston-villa-28539616#comments-wrapper
Post by: Risso on April 22, 2024, 02:07:16 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 22, 2024, 02:15:40 PM
Oh Rob, that's a beautiful quote fail.
One of the best. It's why I do it so infrequently.
Always going to happen from Rob_brige.
Post by: darren woolley on April 22, 2024, 02:37:57 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 22, 2024, 02:39:20 PM
I think you mean Bduck
Was it Duck Rogers or Duck Dodgers in the Looney Tunes cartoons?
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 22, 2024, 03:08:45 PM
May I remind or make aware Rodgers is known to Mark Harrison who is Villa academy manager. His knowledge and development of Rodgers is a key part of him signing, settling and knowing his abilities
He was previously WBA academy manager and West Brom coaches spoke about how Morgan Rogers would one day play in the Champions League, being held in a completely different, higher level of esteem.
I don't think this has much truth in it. If Harrison was so confident in him then surely we would have been in for him when Boro got him for a cool one million. Instead we only looked at him six months later when Emery saw him and his price had gone up to £8-15m.
May I remind you that most academy footballers don't make it.
Going in at 8 , 10 , 12 years old majority aren't deemed good enough eventually at 16 onwards
The reason it's such a small number that makes it is because of what it takes in those developing years to be a pro footballer.
Then you get the special talents and Morgan Rogers is clearly one of these.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 22, 2024, 03:09:52 PM
If his time at Man City's academy is the reason for his success, then why after two years playing there did he not impress in any of his loans?
West Brom have obviously done a good job with him to get him on their radar. Boro then did a good job with him to get him on ours. And Emery has gone a good job with him because you can literally see the improvement in him in only a few months.
Clearly the clubs weren't right for him. Not playing the right football , the system and the set up.
It's hardly his fault because he's been said to be a wonderful talent and suited to Premier League football.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 22, 2024, 03:34:43 PM
I think you mean Bduck
Was it Duck Rogers or Duck Dodgers in the Looney Tunes cartoons?
Duck Dodgers. Class.
Post by: eamonn on April 22, 2024, 04:05:16 PM
His goal was so very, very good. First of all the surging run, but then the skill to cut inside the defender, and unleash a fantastic finish. But also the supreme confidence in his own ability when I suspect most players his age would have looked to have passed it in the area.
The finish looked good but it did come off the keeper's face.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on April 22, 2024, 04:06:25 PM
So it was a good finish thenHis goal was so very, very good. First of all the surging run, but then the skill to cut inside the defender, and unleash a fantastic finish. But also the supreme confidence in his own ability when I suspect most players his age would have looked to have passed it in the area.
The finish looked good but it did come off the keeper's face.
Post by: Dogtanian on April 22, 2024, 04:13:21 PM
So it was a good finish thenHis goal was so very, very good. First of all the surging run, but then the skill to cut inside the defender, and unleash a fantastic finish. But also the supreme confidence in his own ability when I suspect most players his age would have looked to have passed it in the area.
The finish looked good but it did come off the keeper's face.
That was the best bit for me. ;D
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 22, 2024, 04:13:28 PM
Post by: Monty on April 22, 2024, 04:18:47 PM
His goal was so very, very good. First of all the surging run, but then the skill to cut inside the defender, and unleash a fantastic finish. But also the supreme confidence in his own ability when I suspect most players his age would have looked to have passed it in the area.
The finish looked good but it did come off the keeper's face.
So not only was it a fine goal, it was also funny.
Post by: Mister E on April 22, 2024, 04:47:21 PM
You need to read the piece above, from Andy_Lochhead_in_the_airIf his time at Man City's academy is the reason for his success, then why after two years playing there did he not impress in any of his loans?Clearly the clubs weren't right for him. Not playing the right football , the system and the set up.
West Brom have obviously done a good job with him to get him on their radar. Boro then did a good job with him to get him on ours. And Emery has gone a good job with him because you can literally see the improvement in him in only a few months.
It's hardly his fault because he's been said to be a wonderful talent and suited to Premier League football.
Post by: Beard82 on April 22, 2024, 05:03:14 PM
Its ok - but think we can find a better chant for him.May I remind or make aware Rodgers is known to Mark Harrison who is Villa academy manager. His knowledge and development of Rodgers is a key part of him signing, settling and knowing his abilities
He was previously WBA academy manager and West Brom coaches spoke about how Morgan Rogers would one day play in the Champions League, being held in a completely different, higher level of esteem.
There's no 'd' in Rogers.
NO F***ING 'D' in Rogers!
It's Rogers, not Rodgers.
NO D!
Post by: eye digress on April 22, 2024, 08:03:48 PM
His goal was so very, very good. First of all the surging run, but then the skill to cut inside the defender, and unleash a fantastic finish. But also the supreme confidence in his own ability when I suspect most players his age would have looked to have passed it in the area.
It really was.
A few of you have suggested comparisons - notably with Stan and Atkinson, due to the upper body strength and ball carrying prowess.
But this particular finish had Yorkie written through it like a stick of rock.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 22, 2024, 08:11:05 PM
Post by: AV84 on April 22, 2024, 11:02:28 PM
No No, no No No No, no no no no, no no D in Rogers
(Sounds a bit Vicar of Dibley when I see it written out)
Post by: VillaTim on April 22, 2024, 11:04:35 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 22, 2024, 11:15:29 PM
Song suggestion - to the tune of No Limits by 2Unlimited
No No, no No No No, no no no no, no no D in Rogers
Could work, but may leave fans in general wondering what it's about.
Maybe something like "Morgan's swerves is all we ever needed him to show" etc. to the tune of 'More than Words'.
Post by: VillaTim on April 22, 2024, 11:24:36 PM
"Rogers G not D
He's bigger than thee and me
He's gonna score one or 3
Etc
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on April 22, 2024, 11:56:35 PM
May I remind or make aware Rodgers is known to Mark Harrison who is Villa academy manager. His knowledge and development of Rodgers is a key part of him signing, settling and knowing his abilities
He was previously WBA academy manager and West Brom coaches spoke about how Morgan Rogers would one day play in the Champions League, being held in a completely different, higher level of esteem.
I don't think this has much truth in it. If Harrison was so confident in him then surely we would have been in for him when Boro got him for a cool one million. Instead we only looked at him six months later when Emery saw him and his price had gone up to £8-15m.
Something in my brain just clicked and I remembered that Morgan Rogers was originally meant to be part of the Jack Grealish transfer, where he was valued at £10m in part exchange.
Confirmed by Meaning Evil:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jack-grealish-villa-city-transfer-21192405
At the time, I think we dismissed it, as nobody knew who he was and was thought to be a pisstake valuation. So he has been on our radar for awhile.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 23, 2024, 03:50:58 AM
Generally there is a lack insight and football acumen and have either a biassed opinion or a rudimentary comprehension of player judgement and that's a typical football fan.
Yes, I’ve noticed that.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 23, 2024, 03:52:31 AM
I wish you would show some respect for Rogers by spelling his surname correctly even once.
You’d think one of them would be able to.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 23, 2024, 11:21:48 AM
May I remind or make aware Rodgers is known to Mark Harrison who is Villa academy manager. His knowledge and development of Rodgers is a key part of him signing, settling and knowing his abilities
He was previously WBA academy manager and West Brom coaches spoke about how Morgan Rogers would one day play in the Champions League, being held in a completely different, higher level of esteem.
I don't think this has much truth in it. If Harrison was so confident in him then surely we would have been in for him when Boro got him for a cool one million. Instead we only looked at him six months later when Emery saw him and his price had gone up to £8-15m.
Something in my brain just clicked and I remembered that Morgan Rogers was originally meant to be part of the Jack Grealish transfer, where he was valued at £10m in part exchange.
Confirmed by Meaning Evil:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jack-grealish-villa-city-transfer-21192405
At the time, I think we dismissed it, as nobody knew who he was and was thought to be a pisstake valuation. So he has been on our radar for awhile.
Interesting, especially since his performance on Sunday was pretty much Grealish without all of the 'look at me' fannying about and falling over.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 23, 2024, 12:15:02 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 23, 2024, 12:17:54 PM
May I remind or make aware Rodgers is known to Mark Harrison who is Villa academy manager. His knowledge and development of Rodgers is a key part of him signing, settling and knowing his abilities
He was previously WBA academy manager and West Brom coaches spoke about how Morgan Rogers would one day play in the Champions League, being held in a completely different, higher level of esteem.
I don't think this has much truth in it. If Harrison was so confident in him then surely we would have been in for him when Boro got him for a cool one million. Instead we only looked at him six months later when Emery saw him and his price had gone up to £8-15m.
Something in my brain just clicked and I remembered that Morgan Rogers was originally meant to be part of the Jack Grealish transfer, where he was valued at £10m in part exchange.
Confirmed by Meaning Evil:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jack-grealish-villa-city-transfer-21192405
At the time, I think we dismissed it, as nobody knew who he was and was thought to be a pisstake valuation. So he has been on our radar for awhile.
Interesting, especially since his performance on Sunday was pretty much Grealish without all of the 'look at me' fannying about and falling over.
C’mon now. Let’s not rewrite history. Grealish was just outstanding for us. Rogers will do very well to get close to that level.
Post by: LeeB on April 23, 2024, 12:35:11 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 23, 2024, 12:42:48 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 23, 2024, 12:59:43 PM
Post by: usav on April 23, 2024, 01:04:35 PM
Post by: Drummond on April 23, 2024, 03:23:07 PM
May I remind or make aware Rodgers is known to Mark Harrison who is Villa academy manager. His knowledge and development of Rodgers is a key part of him signing, settling and knowing his abilities
He was previously WBA academy manager and West Brom coaches spoke about how Morgan Rogers would one day play in the Champions League, being held in a completely different, higher level of esteem.
I don't think this has much truth in it. If Harrison was so confident in him then surely we would have been in for him when Boro got him for a cool one million. Instead we only looked at him six months later when Emery saw him and his price had gone up to £8-15m.
Something in my brain just clicked and I remembered that Morgan Rogers was originally meant to be part of the Jack Grealish transfer, where he was valued at £10m in part exchange.
Confirmed by Meaning Evil:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jack-grealish-villa-city-transfer-21192405
At the time, I think we dismissed it, as nobody knew who he was and was thought to be a pisstake valuation. So he has been on our radar for awhile.
Interesting, especially since his performance on Sunday was pretty much Grealish without all of the 'look at me' fannying about and falling over.
C’mon now. Let’s not rewrite history. Grealish was just outstanding for us. Rogers will do very well to get close to that level.
DGrealish can eff off. Rogers however, is playing with a swagger, composure and enjoyment that's just a joy to behold.
Post by: paul_e on April 23, 2024, 03:24:23 PM
DGrealish can eff off. Rogers however, is playing with a swagger, composure and enjoyment that's just a joy to behold.
Missed a perfect chance there, if you're going to add a d it has to be GreaDlish.
Post by: Paul.S on April 23, 2024, 04:11:41 PM
The injury’s, especially to Ramsey, have meant he has been asked to step up and he’s certainly done that.
The confidence and ability he’s shown, especially for his goals against Brentford and Bournemouth has been a huge boost. The way he ran through the Wolves midfield whilst they were hanging off his shirt made me sit up and think we had a player. The early signs are very good and a very nice surprise.
Post by: LeeB on April 23, 2024, 04:14:53 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 23, 2024, 04:20:25 PM
You could make the argument that without his signing we may not have got to where we are now, it's been crucial.Yes. From being entirely underwhelmed to watching him quickly turn into a very important player has been great. It's almost like our recruitment team know what they're doing.
Post by: algy on April 23, 2024, 05:23:00 PM
Well I went to the North East on TWO SEPARATE OCCASIONS to see my mate and GOT AS PISSED AS A FART both times. We attempted to play football hungover on one of those visits and I WAS SHOCKINGLY POOR with very little chance of making the England squad.
Also , because drinking is so common in the Northeast, people's judgement is also tainted when making judgements need a clear head.
I can confirm everybody I have ever met from the NE has been a Snake Bite fuelled lunatic who has never played football in their life.
So it holds up
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 23, 2024, 07:06:41 PM
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Post by: Dogtanian on April 25, 2024, 06:28:19 PM
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/13122814/morgan-rogers-impact-at-aston-villa-strength-skill-and-the-ideal-fit-for-unai-emery-since-signing-in-january (https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/13122814/morgan-rogers-impact-at-aston-villa-strength-skill-and-the-ideal-fit-for-unai-emery-since-signing-in-january)
“…he just said, 'Put me on their biggest player. I will do the job.'”
Post by: nigel on April 26, 2024, 09:17:55 AM
Article on Rogers;
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/13122814/morgan-rogers-impact-at-aston-villa-strength-skill-and-the-ideal-fit-for-unai-emery-since-signing-in-january (https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/13122814/morgan-rogers-impact-at-aston-villa-strength-skill-and-the-ideal-fit-for-unai-emery-since-signing-in-january)
“…he just said, 'Put me on their biggest player. I will do the job.'”
“This was no punt…….
When we analysed and we signed him, it was because we analysed his ability to adapt quickly to our structure."
Post by: Risso on April 26, 2024, 10:03:40 AM
Post by: Drummond on April 26, 2024, 10:52:47 AM
I wonder how you actually go about analysing how quickly a player will adapt?
'Oi, Harrison can this Rodgers lad adapt?'
'Yes boss, he's so adaptable he'll even cope with his name being misspelt all the fucking time'
Post by: OCD on April 26, 2024, 11:13:37 AM
Post by: trinityoap on April 26, 2024, 11:53:29 AM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 26, 2024, 12:05:54 PM
He reminds me a bit of Trevor Brooking.
Quicker though?
Post by: WarszaVillan on April 26, 2024, 12:15:25 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 26, 2024, 02:25:44 PM
Post by: nigel on April 27, 2024, 08:39:02 AM
I wonder how you actually go about analysing how quickly a player will adapt?
It’s what Unai said, and I guess he knows what he’s looking for.
He appears to be correct, too 👍
Post by: AV84 on April 27, 2024, 11:07:10 AM
I wonder how you actually go about analysing how quickly a player will adapt?
I was wondering the same. And also what happened with Tielemans and Zaniolo where it took most of the season for them to adapt even a bit.
Although maybe it was a case of a January signing needing to hit the ground running so they factored that in more than they would in the summer.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 27, 2024, 11:19:21 AM
I wonder how you actually go about analysing how quickly a player will adapt?
I was wondering the same. And also what happened with Tielemans and Zaniolo where it took most of the season for them to adapt even a bit.
Although maybe it was a case of a January signing needing to hit the ground running so they factored that in more than they would in the summer.
I expect Tielemans was dropped in the team early and in a position not specifically planned for with the Buendia injury. I suspect he might have been bought in as more of a backup for Luiz. Same with Zani as well, a fast sticking plaster for the same position. Rogers on the other hand seems to have been factored as a Ramsey replacement and I suspect they had a good month to analyse him and his style of play before the bids went in.
However I think recent Emery quotes actually have them surprising the team on how fast he is getting upto speed.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 27, 2024, 09:02:46 PM
His performance up to the goal was quite poor, mainly his passing accuracy, and he appeared to look like a raw and inexperienced player.
That was the main drawback of being a young player, but he has proven himself worthy of being in the starting eleven because he possesses true ability and finishes with style. It'll all come down to consistency, as he can power his way forward and is incredible to watch and gives great anticipation something will happen any time on the ball.
And it was a great little tribute to Cole Palmer way he celebrated with the cold celebration!!
The youngest ever Villa player to score in 3 successive home games in 150 years of our history!!
Wow!!
Post by: Beard82 on April 27, 2024, 09:03:48 PM
Ie by changing it to something else not by stopping scoring
Post by: Somniloquism on April 27, 2024, 09:12:29 PM
The youngest ever Villa player to score in 3 successive home games in 150 years of our history!!
Wow!!
The stat is since football began on 92. It might be true in our whole history but Brian Little and Gary Shaw both were teenagers for scoring loads so they might have done that.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2024, 10:20:50 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 27, 2024, 10:36:06 PM
A good player clearly but was loose in possession time and again and will have to improve, which he will, in his standards.
Post by: Goldenballs on April 27, 2024, 10:40:13 PM
Post by: brontebilly on April 27, 2024, 10:43:00 PM
Brilliant since he’s joined us, and a lovely finish - the only thing, and I’m sure it’ll come, but he has to get better at the defensive side. It’s very easy to get past him, and run off him. It’s why Chelsea got so much joy down the flank.
He's much better central I think. Surprised Emery didn't switch it up and played him up near Watkins like at Arsenal. Bailey would have worked harder on the left to help Digne.
Post by: Steve67 on April 27, 2024, 10:44:11 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 28, 2024, 01:04:28 AM
His first below par for his new club tonight. He was playing Championship football four months ago and has been brilliant for us. Tonight is a learning point for him. Cracking player, just below par.
Agreed.
Post by: colin69 on April 28, 2024, 01:06:33 AM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2024, 01:08:54 AM
Post by: darren woolley on April 28, 2024, 02:45:39 AM
Even when below par he scored. For a 21 year old with 7 top flight starts he's doing amazing.
I totally agree with you.
Post by: PeterWithe on April 28, 2024, 08:49:48 AM
He's clearly not quite as fit as the rest of the squad and it shows in the latter parts of games, his closing down suffers but yet again, injuries mean we had to use subs elsewhere. That we are where we are with so many injuries is remarkable.
And most importantly of all, Cole Palmer copied the goal celebration from him, they are good friends and CP is on record saying that.
Post by: Ian. on April 28, 2024, 08:50:04 AM
Post by: Ads on April 28, 2024, 10:10:56 AM
Not his game last night, but what a lovely finish.
Post by: Drummond on April 28, 2024, 10:29:27 AM
I'd like to see a game next season with Kamara fit, playing alongside McGinn, with JJ on one side and Rogers on the other, for the most physical midfield going. Pass, run, arse and kicking fuckers off the park.
Not his game last night, but what a lovely finish.
What about Zaniolo to come on as a sub?
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2024, 10:53:07 AM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 28, 2024, 11:15:00 AM
He wasn’t as good as the week before overall by any means but Chelsea (******) seemed to have saved their two best performances of the season for Villa park. In the end I was happy with the point as Chelsea didn’t let us play at all and second half were a big threat themselves.
Post by: VillaTim on April 28, 2024, 11:18:13 AM
Post by: Mister E on April 28, 2024, 11:34:56 AM
I would think we almost certainly won't be persevering with Zaniolo.Here's hoping.
Post by: Smithy on April 28, 2024, 05:05:14 PM
I would think we almost certainly won't be persevering with Zaniolo.Here's hoping.
Isn't our option to buy quite expensive as well? Something like £20m plus another ten or so in add-ons? I just don't see us spending £20m+ on him, given he hasn't exactly stood out when he's played. He's fine as a squad player, and scored a couple of important goals this season, but he definitely doesn't make our strongest 11, and probably doesn't even come off the bench as an option if everyone is fit and available. Rogers' better-than-expected start to life in the premier league has pushed him down the pecking order even further. I'd be happy to see him sent back with our good wishes and replaced with another loan next season with a similar profile (young-ish, International, something to prove, worth a punt) on a sale-or-return basis.
Post by: SaddVillan on April 28, 2024, 05:42:18 PM
A couple of goals yes, but overall he's been underwhelming. For such a big bloke, he has next to no physical presence - too easily brushed off or tackled off the ball. He lost far too many ground duels and was disposesed far too easily.
Thanks for what you did Nico, all the best for the future - elsewhere.
Post by: Smithy on April 28, 2024, 07:26:06 PM
Zaniolo has probably only shown what he can do for about 45 minutes in total of his loan spell.
A couple of goals yes, but overall he's been underwhelming. For such a big bloke, he has next to no physical presence - too easily brushed off or tackled off the ball. He lost far too many ground duels and was disposesed far too easily.
Thanks for what you did Nico, all the best for the future - elsewhere.
I would agree generally, but he absolutely destroyed Ben White physically at the Emirates, with White being one of the biggest right-backs in the country. His performance that day went a LONG way to ensuring our victory. Shame it's happened so rarely.