Morgan Rogers

[paul_e]

Devils advocate but if we were to sell him after the World Cup would his stock ever be any higher?

Maybe, I don't think anyone can give a remotely accurate answer to that because he might come back after starring for England and use  that confidence to take another step up or he might find a summer without a break too much and struggle for form and/or fitness for 12 months.

I don't think it's the right question though. The question for me is are we likely to be able get enough to spend what we get for him on a single player that brings as much as he does and make enough profit for it to make a difference on our other business? If the answer is yes then maybe it's worth considering but if it's uncertain or no then selling would be a stupid idea given he's contracted until 2031.

[Bent Neilsens Screamer]

Devils advocate but if we were to sell him after the World Cup would his stock ever be any higher?

Maybe, I don't think anyone can give a remotely accurate answer to that because he might come back after starring for England and use  that confidence to take another step up or he might find a summer without a break too much and struggle for form and/or fitness for 12 months.

I don't think it's the right question though. The question for me is are we likely to be able get enough to spend what we get for him on a single player that brings as much as he does and make enough profit for it to make a difference on our other business? If the answer is yes then maybe it's worth considering but if it's uncertain or no then selling would be a stupid idea given he's contracted until 2031.

Fee, if it were to happen is key. £110m upwards, I think, gives us leeway to get a near as good as you could replacement plus some extra to put towards further recruitment along with other monies. Whether we’d be willing to pay £65m plus for an oven ready replacement such as Gibbs White is another matter. TBH he’s the only one I’d realistically want as I think he’d hit the ground running and produce similar numbers, if we could get Cherki he’d be another!

Let’s just keep Morgan.

[paul_e]

Devils advocate but if we were to sell him after the World Cup would his stock ever be any higher?

Maybe, I don't think anyone can give a remotely accurate answer to that because he might come back after starring for England and use  that confidence to take another step up or he might find a summer without a break too much and struggle for form and/or fitness for 12 months.

I don't think it's the right question though. The question for me is are we likely to be able get enough to spend what we get for him on a single player that brings as much as he does and make enough profit for it to make a difference on our other business? If the answer is yes then maybe it's worth considering but if it's uncertain or no then selling would be a stupid idea given he's contracted until 2031.

Fee, if it were to happen is key. £110m upwards, I think, gives us leeway to get a near as good as you could replacement plus some extra to put towards further recruitment along with other monies. Whether we’d be willing to pay £65m plus for an oven ready replacement such as Gibbs White is another matter. TBH he’s the only one I’d realistically want as I think he’d hit the ground running and produce similar numbers, if we could get Cherki he’d be another!

Let’s just keep Morgan.

Yep, that's about where I am with it but I just don't see us getting that much because I don't think anyone with that much money to spare would need him. You can already see by the stories in the press that the figure outside the club is a lot lower, with £80m appearing far too often. With that once you paid the fee, agents fees, etc for someone like MGW there's fuck all left so the whole thing was just a waste of time and means getting him used to us and potentially needing a bit of time to find his place. That only becomes more of a problem the later in the window things happen so after the world cup as you asked is about the worst thing we could do, it'd have more than a hint of Grealish about it and would be just as harmful in my opinion.

It would also further reinforce the idea that whenever we look like having someone who can break us into the next tier we'll roll over and sell them and know our place. If he makes a massive fuss or someone offers a ridiculous fee then it changes things but I don't think either is going to happen.

[Bent Neilsens Screamer]

£80m is too low considering the Gordon fee, hopefully no release clause but whatever happens I’ve got confidence we’ll get to where we aspire to be. If the worse happens perhaps we’ll have to tweak the way we play and set ourselves up differently, which the way the league is looking next season wouldn’t be a bad time to do it in regards to not loosing too much ground but bad for a title charge!

[LeeS]

The issue with selling him for £100m+ is that everyone then knows you have £100m in the bank and a hole in your squad.

[Beard82]

I think the challange is we will have to sell due to the rules - and that might make us have to take an offer below what we want.

There is a reason why the majority of business done so far has been by the richest clubs - this is just another way of tilting the odds in their favour.

[Vegas]

This is maybe a bit simplistic, but with rich owners transfer fees really don’t matter anymore. All of the calculations are now done on wages vs turnover. If we have rich owners who are happy to invest, fees out and fees in are pretty much irrelevant - aren’t they?

[brontebilly]

Maatsen and Onana, there was funny business with Chelsea and Everton that summer so true price may be masked a bit. At this stage though both should be firmly in our starting X1 and that's not the case. Maatsen should definitely be ahead of Digne, 33 this summer, and looked to be the case midway during the season but certainly wasn't by the end. Onana, his form is mixed at best when he is fit, which simply isn't often enough.

The rest are a mixed bag as with most clubs, spectacular successes (Rogers, Tielemans, Torres), solid (Bizot, Lindelof), duds (Sancho, Elliot, Guessand, Garcia).

Although you clearly hate Onana, he absolutely is a first choice starter.

Hate is a strong word. Does he play if Kamara and Tielemans are fit for our biggest games?

[Vegas]

I think the challange is we will have to sell due to the rules - and that might make us have to take an offer below what we want.

There is a reason why the majority of business done so far has been by the richest clubs - this is just another way of tilting the odds in their favour.

At the risk of repeating my other post: what rules compel us to sell? I may be missing something but I can’t see why we would have to sell due to PSR or the Euro equivalent.

[Bent Neilsens Screamer]

I think the challange is we will have to sell due to the rules - and that might make us have to take an offer below what we want.

There is a reason why the majority of business done so far has been by the richest clubs - this is just another way of tilting the odds in their favour.

At the risk of repeating my other post: what rules compel us to sell? I may be missing something but I can’t see why we would have to sell due to PSR or the Euro equivalent.

Minus the fee that Boro are owed he’d be pretty much pure profit so anywhere north of £60m, that would enable us to reinvest.

[Beard82]

I think the challange is we will have to sell due to the rules - and that might make us have to take an offer below what we want.

There is a reason why the majority of business done so far has been by the richest clubs - this is just another way of tilting the odds in their favour.

At the risk of repeating my other post: what rules compel us to sell? I may be missing something but I can’t see why we would have to sell due to PSR or the Euro equivalent.

Minus the fee that Boro are owed he’d be pretty much pure profit so anywhere north of £60m, that would enable us to reinvest.

Yes - my understanding from what I remember is well need to raise 50m worth of sales to balance things.  Obviously Malen is some of that - but my assumption is well need to sell some one else significant

[Dogtanian]

Because even with Champions League football and record turnover in our last set of published accounts, our wages alone were 71% of revenue.

Under UEFA, squad costs in total have to be maximum 70%. So we failed on wages alone, let alone transfer fee amortisation and agent fees, etc.

So this season, without Champions League football, lower european attendance at lower ticket prices, and less sponsorship as our deals make them pay more if we are in the Champions League, we can’t be certain we don’t need to sell.

[Beard82]

Maatsen and Onana, there was funny business with Chelsea and Everton that summer so true price may be masked a bit. At this stage though both should be firmly in our starting X1 and that's not the case. Maatsen should definitely be ahead of Digne, 33 this summer, and looked to be the case midway during the season but certainly wasn't by the end. Onana, his form is mixed at best when he is fit, which simply isn't often enough.

The rest are a mixed bag as with most clubs, spectacular successes (Rogers, Tielemans, Torres), solid (Bizot, Lindelof), duds (Sancho, Elliot, Guessand, Garcia).

Although you clearly hate Onana, he absolutely is a first choice starter.

Hate is a strong word. Does he play if Kamara and Tielemans are fit for our biggest games?

All 3 of them fit seems unlikely. 

[Beard82]

Because even with Champions League football and record turnover in our last set of published accounts, our wages alone were 71% of revenue.

Under UEFA, squad costs in total have to be maximum 70%. So we failed on wages alone, let alone transfer fee amortisation and agent fees, etc.

So this season, without Champions League football, lower european attendance at lower ticket prices, and less sponsorship as our deals make them pay more if we are in the Champions League, we can’t be certain we don’t need to sell.

Yes thats a much better explaination