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Offline paul_e

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« Reply #600 on: April 10, 2024, 10:48:02 PM »
Physiology defines your potential but training, diet etc are needed to reach that. If someone has never worked on their pace or focused on training for it specifically it is possible to make noticable improvements pretty quickly but they taper off and for most professional footballers they'll have had a fair bit of training that focuses on it so, in that context, gains are a lot harder.

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« Reply #601 on: April 11, 2024, 09:48:55 AM »
There’s a base level speed, fast twitch muscles and all that. Like anything it can be augmented, but if you’re not quick you won’t become it through training. That would be my layman’s view.

Also, if you're training to be as quick as possible over the first ten yards, the best way to do that is with muscle - which is why so many sprinters look like bodybuilders.  But those gains are absolutely useless if you're then expected to change direction and stop/start regularly.

I'm sure they'll coach and train Morgan to be as quick as he can possibly be, but there is a limit to what can be coached vs what you have naturally when it comes to speed, so I don't expect any dramatic improvements on that front.

Unai and his team didn't buy him for his speed, and I expect they'll focus on getting the best out of him without requiring him to run around the outside of players to do it.

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« Reply #602 on: April 11, 2024, 09:50:22 AM »
It's already noticeable that he uses his skill and strength to advance up the pitch with the ball, rather than pace. Defenders just bounce off him, or resort to tugging his shirt.

Offline eamonn

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« Reply #603 on: April 11, 2024, 10:58:56 AM »
He's shown some lovely pirouettes, it's true especially that one run against Wulfs in the first half, he had three or four of them struggling to catch him.

Offline pablo_picasso

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Re: Morgan Rogers - Signed
« Reply #604 on: April 11, 2024, 01:31:19 PM »
Not necessarily the right place to ask but can standing start speed be learned or trained or is it born ?



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Because acceleration is a product of force/mass, to improve acceleration, we must either increase the amount of force produced or decrease the amount of mass the athlete is required to move. Quite often in an attempt to increase force production capabilities, athletes seek to increase their BM. Because the muscle is active and produces force, those individuals with greater muscle cross-sectional area are typically able to produce greater forces. However, when we increase the mass, the body has to overcome a greater amount of inertia to move (F = M × A). This concept is illustrated by Newton’s second law of motion, which states that there is an inverse relationship between mass and acceleration. For instance, Lockie et al. (19) found that although no absolute strength differences existed in the 3 repetition maximum squat for 2 groups of athletes, it was discovered that the faster group of athletes displayed greater relative strength in comparison with their BM. Although greater force may be produced, if the athletes weight also increases, additional force is required to move this mass. Therefore, in some cases, attempting to increase the muscle mass to improve speed and acceleration yields a zero sum gain or even slower acceleration times.

Another method of improving the strength to bodyweight ratio would be to decrease an individual’s amount or percentage of body fat. Intuitively, it makes sense that reducing one’s nonfunctional mass (body fat) may be a more productive approach to improving speed and acceleration than first attempting to add mass because less force is required to overcome inertial forces. This allows the athlete to fully maximize their current force production potential without adding additional mass. Conducting initial body composition estimations may be beneficial to the athlete, coach, and nutritional professional because it aids in the development of appropriate training and nutritional interventions to achieve ideal body compositions to maximize performance.

https://journals.lww.com/nsca-scj/fulltext/2012/12000/methods_of_developing_power_to_improve.8.aspx#:~:text=Because%20acceleration%20is%20a%20product,seek%20to%20increase%20their%20BM.

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« Reply #605 on: April 11, 2024, 01:38:55 PM »
Agbonlahor proved the theory when he unnecessarily bulked up.

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« Reply #606 on: April 11, 2024, 01:42:49 PM »

Not necessarily the right place to ask but can standing start speed be learned or trained or is it born ?
It is said that athletes of West African heritage have a birth advantage. It is to do eith heel spring that is unique to humans in that region a bit like wrist spinners from the Sub-continent. However I have no reference to provide here to add any authority to both of these "facts".

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« Reply #607 on: April 14, 2024, 08:27:06 PM »
The speed at which he is developing is incredible. He’s forcing himself into being a regular starter, what a talent.

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« Reply #608 on: April 14, 2024, 08:29:21 PM »
He reminds me a bit of Jude Bellingham. Just sayin'

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« Reply #609 on: April 14, 2024, 08:29:25 PM »
The speed at which he is developing is incredible. He’s forcing himself into being a regular starter, what a talent.
Thought he and Carlos were our best players in the first half. 

I dont understand it - how do they know hes ready, when say, someone like Tim I might not be?  I know they see them everyday and its there jobs but its a real skill

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« Reply #610 on: April 14, 2024, 08:36:44 PM »
You can see why Unai was desperate to sign him.

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« Reply #611 on: April 14, 2024, 08:38:22 PM »
He's looking like an asbolute bargain so far, and I think his potential is immense.

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« Reply #612 on: April 14, 2024, 08:38:54 PM »
The speed at which he is developing is incredible. He’s forcing himself into being a regular starter, what a talent.
Thought he and Carlos were our best players in the first half. 

I dont understand it - how do they know hes ready, when say, someone like Tim I might not be?  I know they see them everyday and its there jobs but its a real skill

Maybe a bit fortunate with Ramsey injured he's had more opportunities than expected. He's much better in the centre, gets turned on the ball and with his physique and touch he ain't losing it.

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« Reply #613 on: April 14, 2024, 08:39:41 PM »
He's looking like an asbolute bargain so far, and I think his potential is immense.

totally agree. he looks better every game.

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« Reply #614 on: April 14, 2024, 08:39:47 PM »
This kid is going to be a star

 


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