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Offline edgysatsuma89

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Re: Boxing 2024
« Reply #195 on: May 19, 2024, 01:30:51 AM »
The guardian round by round had it by 5 for Usyk which is excessive. 2 to 3 points is about right

5?! I'll have to check that out.

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Re: Boxing 2024
« Reply #196 on: May 19, 2024, 01:34:27 AM »
I was worried they were going to give it Fury on the scorecards but thankfully sense prevailed. Not sure what to make of the ref jumping in to stop Usyk hitting him again when still on his feet and it not being the end of the fight. Surely he could have stepped in at any point while he was dreamwalking around the ring and thus not conveniently got Fury to the bell and a chance to recover. Did bloody well to do so though, fair play to him.

Usyk is a very very classy operator. Fury spent much of the night giving Usyk every reason to want to smack him.

Yeah, I'm unsure about the ref jumping in there as well but the comms didn't really bring it up. I guess safety, but that fight is over if he doesn't step in.

Surely if the ref feels the need to step in, he should be doing so with the intention of stopping the fight.

I genuinely think that any other fight on the card and it would have been stopped. Fury was wide open unable to defend himself

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Re: Boxing 2024
« Reply #197 on: May 19, 2024, 01:36:58 AM »
The guardian round by round had it by 5 for Usyk which is excessive. 2 to 3 points is about right

5?! I'll have to check that out.

Shows how close it really was, because TNT had it as a draw or Fury by one round.

Five wasn't reflective of the fight I saw.

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Re: Boxing 2024
« Reply #198 on: May 19, 2024, 01:42:57 AM »
I was worried they were going to give it Fury on the scorecards but thankfully sense prevailed. Not sure what to make of the ref jumping in to stop Usyk hitting him again when still on his feet and it not being the end of the fight. Surely he could have stepped in at any point while he was dreamwalking around the ring and thus not conveniently got Fury to the bell and a chance to recover. Did bloody well to do so though, fair play to him.

Usyk is a very very classy operator. Fury spent much of the night giving Usyk every reason to want to smack him.

Yeah, I'm unsure about the ref jumping in there as well but the comms didn't really bring it up. I guess safety, but that fight is over if he doesn't step in.

Surely if the ref feels the need to step in, he should be doing so with the intention of stopping the fight.

I genuinely think that any other fight on the card and it would have been stopped. Fury was wide open unable to defend himself

Not sure I agree, but I think we each see the same point differently. You see it that the ref intervened to protect Fury and should therefore have ended the fight; I see it that the ref (correctly, in my opinion) scored it as a knockdown and a 10-8 round even though Fury hadn't actually hit the canvas.

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Re: Boxing 2024
« Reply #199 on: May 19, 2024, 01:46:00 AM »
I was worried they were going to give it Fury on the scorecards but thankfully sense prevailed. Not sure what to make of the ref jumping in to stop Usyk hitting him again when still on his feet and it not being the end of the fight. Surely he could have stepped in at any point while he was dreamwalking around the ring and thus not conveniently got Fury to the bell and a chance to recover. Did bloody well to do so though, fair play to him.

Usyk is a very very classy operator. Fury spent much of the night giving Usyk every reason to want to smack him.

Yeah, I'm unsure about the ref jumping in there as well but the comms didn't really bring it up. I guess safety, but that fight is over if he doesn't step in.

Surely if the ref feels the need to step in, he should be doing so with the intention of stopping the fight.

I genuinely think that any other fight on the card and it would have been stopped. Fury was wide open unable to defend himself

Not sure I agree, but I think we each see the same point differently. You see it that the ref intervened to protect Fury and should therefore have ended the fight; I see it that the ref (correctly, in my opinion) scored it as a knockdown and a 10-8 round even though Fury hadn't actually hit the canvas.

I think the ref should have stopped it because Fury was gone and unable to defend himself for a good 20+ seconds. I maintain that any other fight on the card the same scenario would have been a ref stoppage.

I take the point about the standing 8 count and you are correct but I don't think it should have been allowed to get that far

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Re: Boxing 2024
« Reply #200 on: May 19, 2024, 01:47:21 AM »
The guardian round by round had it by 5 for Usyk which is excessive. 2 to 3 points is about right

5?! I'll have to check that out.

Shows how close it really was, because TNT had it as a draw or Fury by one round.

Five wasn't reflective of the fight I saw.

I agree. 3 points seemed about right to me. 2 would have been fair enough also.

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Re: Boxing 2024
« Reply #201 on: May 19, 2024, 02:23:39 AM »
I was worried they were going to give it Fury on the scorecards but thankfully sense prevailed. Not sure what to make of the ref jumping in to stop Usyk hitting him again when still on his feet and it not being the end of the fight. Surely he could have stepped in at any point while he was dreamwalking around the ring and thus not conveniently got Fury to the bell and a chance to recover. Did bloody well to do so though, fair play to him.

Usyk is a very very classy operator. Fury spent much of the night giving Usyk every reason to want to smack him.

Yeah, I'm unsure about the ref jumping in there as well but the comms didn't really bring it up. I guess safety, but that fight is over if he doesn't step in.

Surely if the ref feels the need to step in, he should be doing so with the intention of stopping the fight.

I genuinely think that any other fight on the card and it would have been stopped. Fury was wide open unable to defend himself

Not sure I agree, but I think we each see the same point differently. You see it that the ref intervened to protect Fury and should therefore have ended the fight; I see it that the ref (correctly, in my opinion) scored it as a knockdown and a 10-8 round even though Fury hadn't actually hit the canvas.

I think the ref should have stopped it because Fury was gone and unable to defend himself for a good 20+ seconds. I maintain that any other fight on the card the same scenario would have been a ref stoppage.

I take the point about the standing 8 count and you are correct but I don't think it should have been allowed to get that far

I can understand that, fully. I just think it would've been a soft stoppage, personally. The right man won in the end.

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Re: Boxing 2024
« Reply #202 on: May 19, 2024, 02:26:31 AM »
Maybe. I do remember George Groves being stopped in his first fight against Froch and Fury took a lot more undefended shots in that spell tonight. I think some boxing ref's can be a bit swayed by the occasion and give fighters in such massive fights more leeway than they would in say a British title fight

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Re: Boxing 2024
« Reply #203 on: May 19, 2024, 03:00:14 AM »
Maybe. I do remember George Groves being stopped in his first fight against Froch and Fury took a lot more undefended shots in that spell tonight. I think some boxing ref's can be a bit swayed by the occasion and give fighters in such massive fights more leeway than they would in say a British title fight

No you're quite right there, but that Groves stoppage was rightly considered a bit of an outrage.

Fury was hurt, but was focused on trying to move rather than trying to defend, and on unsteady legs, I think he appeared more hurt than he was. A lot of it was loss of balance as opposed to more serious injury, which I think the next three rounds showed.

Although I was surprised the ref didn't really make Fury walk, he just did the eye test.

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Re: Boxing 2024
« Reply #204 on: May 19, 2024, 08:42:35 AM »
The ref could have taken into account that Fury has incredible powers of recovery. He's seemed on the verge in a few fights only to rally and end up the winner.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2024, 10:27:32 AM by dave.woodhall »

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Re: Boxing 2024
« Reply #205 on: May 19, 2024, 09:37:33 AM »
Villa getting Champs League, inbreds going down, Tesco’s blowing the play offs, Fury getting battered…what a lovely sporting weeks.

Just need Leeds to fall apart like normal to make it better :-)

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Re: Boxing 2024
« Reply #206 on: May 19, 2024, 01:02:50 PM »
I'm with Taylorsworkrate and David Haye, if the ref steps in there I think the bout should be over, otherwise you let him finish it.

I agreed with the comms when they said it was a 3 round shoot-out after the 9th as I had it at 5-5. I think Usyk won the 10th, but then the 11th and 12th I don't really have a strong opinion of eitherway.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2024, 05:54:52 PM by edgysatsuma89 »

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Re: Boxing 2024
« Reply #207 on: May 19, 2024, 02:50:20 PM »
The ref could have taken into account that Fury has incredible powers of recovery. He's seemed on the verge in a few fights only to rally and end up the winner.

I think it probably played a part, but should it? Fury was as gone as you get, he steps on just as Usyk has a free hit to send him to the floor. I don't reckon he's making that count. He starts the count 15 seconds earlier, I'm not sure he's making the end of the round. As it was it was perfectly timed, probably through circumstance, to enable Fury the max time to recover.

I also think, as others have said, once the ref steps in to stop someone finishing the job, they are essentially stopping the fight.

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Re: Boxing 2024
« Reply #208 on: May 20, 2024, 01:05:11 PM »
Surely if the ref is stepping in there it's to end the fight? I'm not sure I've seen a ref, in a title fight, letting a fighter take a standing count because he looks a bit hurt? Fury hadn't touched down, was on the verge of it so either it carries on and he's eventually put down, or the ref stops it as he's in no fit state to continue.

One other thing, wasn't it a 10 count as well? So he should have been done there too.

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Re: Boxing 2024
« Reply #209 on: May 20, 2024, 01:21:55 PM »
Surely if the ref is stepping in there it's to end the fight? I'm not sure I've seen a ref, in a title fight, letting a fighter take a standing count because he looks a bit hurt? Fury hadn't touched down, was on the verge of it so either it carries on and he's eventually put down, or the ref stops it as he's in no fit state to continue.

One other thing, wasn't it a 10 count as well? So he should have been done there too.

Exactly what I said to my lad as it happens. One more blow and Fury isn't making the count from the canvas in my opinion. He gave him the 10 count then asked if he was OK and the bell went. Very well saved by the ref

 


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