Aston Villa v Fulham Post-Match Thread

[pablo_picasso]

Simplify the rules of the game and referees/var/microphones might stand a chance.

Currently, offsides and handball in particular are a joke. A lot of pundits avoid discussing those incidents to avoid making themselves look like a fool.

I was not surprised at how fast fans adapted to the difference between a deliberate pass back and an accidental pass back to the goalie. They are obvious. The same should apply with handball. We can all tell whats deliberate and whats accidental. They are obvious.

With offside, there needs to be 'clear daylight' between last defender and the forward. Be a lot more clear than armpits, toes and noses getting involved.

Simplify the rules 'first' and then VAR might stand a chance.

This. And this again...

[LeeB]

Yeah I'd agree with 'clear daylight' with offside but who decides what is and isn't? It will still be 'the defenders fingertips on his outstreched arm are overlapping the attackers shorts" etc. There will be still be endless debates about stuff like that where in one game it's given anf the other it's not.

It's an absolute pox on the game, people are conditioned to think technology can solve everything and it can't.

[chrisw1]

Be careful what you wish for with the 'clear daylight' idea.  Firstly, it will still require the same level of scrutiny.  Secondly, it would entirely fuck up our high-line.

[VillaTim]

"clear daylight" is also a subjective view

[Simon Page]

In the spirit of helpfulness, how about a simple rule of clubs that founded the Football League get to ref the games.

Simple to understand, easy to implement.

[baddowvillans]

Simplify the rules of the game and referees/var/microphones might stand a chance.

Currently, offsides and handball in particular are a joke. A lot of pundits avoid discussing those incidents to avoid making themselves look like a fool.

I was not surprised at how fast fans adapted to the difference between a deliberate pass back and an accidental pass back to the goalie. They are obvious. The same should apply with handball. We can all tell whats deliberate and whats accidental. They are obvious.

With offside, there needs to be 'clear daylight' between last defender and the forward. Be a lot more clear than armpits, toes and noses getting involved.

Simplify the rules 'first' and then VAR might stand a chance.

Please tell me you aren't suggesting amending offside law to say there should be "Clear daylight" between attacker and defender - that is matters even more subjective!

[Baldy]

Simplify the rules of the game and referees/var/microphones might stand a chance.

Currently, offsides and handball in particular are a joke. A lot of pundits avoid discussing those incidents to avoid making themselves look like a fool.

I was not surprised at how fast fans adapted to the difference between a deliberate pass back and an accidental pass back to the goalie. They are obvious. The same should apply with handball. We can all tell whats deliberate and whats accidental. They are obvious.

With offside, there needs to be 'clear daylight' between last defender and the forward. Be a lot more clear than armpits, toes and noses getting involved.

Simplify the rules 'first' and then VAR might stand a chance.

Please tell me you aren't suggesting amending offside law to say there should be "Clear daylight" between attacker and defender - that is matters even more subjective!

That's exactly what I'm saying.

It is currently ridiculous that 99% of a players body can be onside but because the other 1% is offside, a foul is given.

Clear daylight is required, A player is either onside or offside. They can't be both!!

Football is an entertainment, goals are its bloodline. The more the merrier,

[Somniloquism]

There has never been a "daylight" rule for offside previously, why have one now? And why would set rule change anything anyway in terms of when the decision is made. The linesman would still need to be "sure" the defenders arm wasn't extended and playing him onside. And VAR if still used would still be spending minutes on similar measurements. It is also probably less definitive then are they level.

[pauliewalnuts]

There has never been a "daylight" rule for offside previously, why have one now? And why would set rule change anything anyway in terms of when the decision is made. The linesman would still need to be "sure" the defenders arm wasn't extended and playing him onside. And VAR if still used would still be spending minutes on similar measurements. It is also probably less definitive then are they level.

Surely an arm can't play him onside?

I know it doesn't distract from your general point, mind.

[Somniloquism]

If the poster is stating only offside is called if there is "daylight" between the players, in theory the defenders arm could mean there is no daylight between the two players, hence the attacker is onside.

Of course what the rule is on a cold Tuesday in December at Stoke is is anyone's guess.....

[Lastfootstamper]

Simplify the rules of the game and referees/var/microphones might stand a chance.

Currently, offsides and handball in particular are a joke. A lot of pundits avoid discussing those incidents to avoid making themselves look like a fool.

I was not surprised at how fast fans adapted to the difference between a deliberate pass back and an accidental pass back to the goalie. They are obvious. The same should apply with handball. We can all tell whats deliberate and whats accidental. They are obvious.

With offside, there needs to be 'clear daylight' between last defender and the forward. Be a lot more clear than armpits, toes and noses getting involved.

Simplify the rules 'first' and then VAR might stand a chance.

Please tell me you aren't suggesting amending offside law to say there should be "Clear daylight" between attacker and defender - that is matters even more subjective!

That's exactly what I'm saying.

It is currently ridiculous that 99% of a players body can be onside but because the other 1% is offside, a foul is given.

Clear daylight is required, A player is either onside or offside. They can't be both!!

Football is an entertainment, goals are its bloodline. The more the merrier,

It's not ridiculous at all. It's rightly punishing cheats.

[olaftab]

What colour line would the daylight be?

[danno]

Should it actually have been a penalty then? I’m confused as to why this thread went all VAR.

[Lastfootstamper]

Change the rule to whatever you like, I'm not bothered, rules is rules. It's changed before to favour the attacker when the currently nonexistent 'level' was introduced, and again when a handball was moved from the point of the shoulder to some armpit line, ergo changing the offside law. The fact remains that if you're going to measure a line, you'll still have the same decisions to make irrespective of what line you're measuring. Go mad and make it so the attacker has two yards of leeway and watch to see how long that takes to get measured to the millimetre/shirtsleeve on a rewound video.