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Offline Footy-Vill

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Player Discipline, Bookings and Suspension
« on: November 08, 2023, 09:01:30 PM »
A player is banned for one match if they have 5 Yellow cards in team's first 19 games.

8 matches remain then before the threshold rises to 10 Yellow Cards by 32 games played (up to and including)

So after 11 matches Premier matches played.

4 Yellows  = close to suspension: Kamara, Digne and Luiz.
3 Yellows: Matty Cash.
2 Yellows : Martínez, McGinn, Duran and Zaniolo.

We are 10th in the table for Yellow Cards :26 in total. No sending offs this season.
Interestingly we are 3rd for most yellow cards at home:15.

Overall home and away Arsenal have the least :16 Yellow
Chelsea and Wolves the most: 35 Yellows.

The biggest fouler in Villa team is: Kamara
(7th overall of players in the Prem)
1.8 fouls a game
2.2 at Home.

The other offenders who foul once or more a game are =fouls per game overall stat.
Zaniolo 1.4
McGinn 1.3
Luiz & Digne 1.2
Cash & Duran 1

The likelihood and possiblity then is Kamara in particular is going to have a suspension.
It's not surprising—rather than being unacceptable—that he receives so many yellow cards and commits the most fouls given his position and role on the team.


« Last Edit: February 09, 2024, 03:42:30 PM by Footy-Vill »

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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2023, 09:18:53 PM »
Useful stuff, keep us posted.

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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2023, 09:51:05 PM »
Agreed.

It's incredibly liberating to know who the Villa's 'biggest fouler ' is

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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2023, 10:13:34 PM »
A player is banned for one match if they have 5 Yellow cards in team's first 19 games.

9 matches remain then before the threshold rises to 10 Yellow Cards by 32 games played (up to and including)

So after 10 matches Premier matches played.

4 Yellows  = close to suspension: Kamara, Digne and Luiz.
3 Yellows: Matty Cash.
2 Yellows : Martínez, McGinn, Duran and Zaniolo.

We are 10th in the table for Yellow Cards :26 in total. No sending offs this season.
Interestingly we are 3rd for most yellow cards at home:15.

Overall home and away Arsenal have the least :16 Yellow
Chelsea and Wolves the most: 35 Yellows.

The biggest fouler in Villa team is: Kamara
(7th overall of players in the Prem)
1.8 fouls a game
2.2 at Home.

The other offenders who foul once or more a game are =fouls per game overall stat.
Zaniolo 1.4
McGinn 1.3
Luiz & Digne 1.2
Cash & Duran 1

The likelihood and possiblity then is Kamara in particular is going to have a suspension.
It's not surprising—rather than being unacceptable—that he receives so many yellow cards and commits the most fouls given his position and role on the team.



Thorough piece of work Footy. I wonder if the overall trend has dropped off since the early days of the season where you were given a yellow card for sneezing after a foul had been given by the ref?

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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2023, 10:17:48 PM »
Interesting what team we pick v Fulham.

Given Spurs could be missing half their regular team v us we don't want to be giving back that advantage by losing Kamara and Luiz for that game with 5 yellow.

At least Moreno should hopefully get some minutes in next few days so Digne being out wouldn't be as impactful.

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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2023, 11:16:02 PM »
Fouls and Contact:
Any challenge deemed "careless" will be deemed a foul, any which are "reckless" will receive a yellow card, and any player who "endangers the safety" of an opponent will be sent off.

A higher threshold will be applied to "contact" between players - meaning there should be fewer free-kicks awarded for incidents which last season might well have been penalised for being overly physical.

Last season overall : 21.6 offences per game
This season so far: 22.4 fouls per game 
In the last 20 years Premier League matches have never been below an average of 20 fouls per game.
Since 2011-12 the average has never gone above 22.7 fouls per game

This Season Aston Villa matches average 5 cards per game.
And our team average is 2.6 cards received a match

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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2023, 11:41:55 PM »
Time wasting:
Last season Prem games per time wasting card: 4.4
Refs are now more robust in penalising "clear and impactful actions" that waste time.

Before this season started.
Since 2003-04, more cards for time-wasting have been shown to defenders (279) and midfielders (281) than goalkeepers (247).

This season:
5 Time wasting Yellow cards by 5 players (1GK, 2Def, 2attackers)

Emi Martinez 94th min ! v Chelsea!

Luca Digne after 32min v Newcastle

Leon Bailey v Palace.

Ezri Konsa 58 mins and then Jhon Duran(Pointless !) 95th min ! v Brighton !


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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2023, 11:51:51 PM »
Dissent:
Last season it was every 4.1 premier league games for a dissent yellow card
The threshold for a player to be shown a yellow card for dissent has been reduced this season.

Villa players booked for Dissent: 2

1.First day of season Douglas Luiz was booked for dissent just six minutes in v Newcastle United.

2. Zaniolo booked in 1st half  injury time v Crystal Palace.

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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2023, 10:47:08 AM »
Simon Hopper ref Vs Fulham.
In 3 of the past 4 matches officiated  Villa game he's booked Douglas Luiz

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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2023, 04:42:43 PM »
I tell you what, that Emery has balls of steel. Not for him the taking off of players on 4 yellows when you're 3-0 up, and a tough away game at a top 4 rival next game up.

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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2023, 05:28:34 PM »
Considering we only committed 4 fouls all game, compared to their tag team fouling (17 fouls), getting 2 yellow cards was careless, although admittedly Konsa's was for taking too long over a free kick.

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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2023, 05:29:54 PM »
Considering we only committed 4 fouls all game, compared to their tag team fouling (17 fouls), getting 2 yellow cards was careless, although admittedly Konsa's was for taking too long over a free kick.

I thought the yellow for Konsa was really harsh given the game had been stopped for a while to check the offside, etc. Watkins was a clear yellow but I'm not sure how Palhinha and Robinson both finished the game for them.

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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2023, 07:06:48 PM »
Does it seem like a pattern in recent games that teams keep kicking us off the park & having fuck all repercussions but as soon as we so much as invade an opposition players 'safe space', we are getting a whistle before the official has even computed what has happened?

Or am I being a bit paranoid?

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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2023, 07:26:23 PM »
Does it seem like a pattern in recent games that teams keep kicking us off the park & having fuck all repercussions but as soon as we so much as invade an opposition players 'safe space', we are getting a whistle before the official has even computed what has happened?

Or am I being a bit paranoid?

I think you going a bit too far but there have been 3 games in a row where the oppositions biggest bastard has stuck to Watkins and pulled, pushed and kicked him all game. I think teams have decided that is how to knock him off his game and it's something he both needs to get used to but that we need to make sure refs are aware of as well.

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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2023, 07:49:21 PM »
The last time we had a red card in a league game was 9th Feb 2022. Konsa at home to Leeds in a 3-3 draw for a 2nd bookable offence.
Luiz was sent off in the 3-0 defeat at Fulham in October 2022 but this was rescinded.

 


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