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Offline SoccerHQ

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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2023, 08:28:02 PM »
Paliniha made four fouls on McGinn in first half alone.

Hooper did seem one of those refs who basically just decided not to book anyone first half and then the cards came out for identical offences in second half.

Ollie's was a booking as that was a bit of a reckless lunge.

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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2023, 09:52:53 PM »
Considering we only committed 4 fouls all game, compared to their tag team fouling (17 fouls), getting 2 yellow cards was careless, although admittedly Konsa's was for taking too long over a free kick.

So 17+ 4 which is 21.
This is around the usual for a Prem game.
in twenty years, since records began, refs have never awarded fewer than 20 fouls per match average , with only three seasons averaging fewer than 21 fouls per match.

Hooper averages 22.3 fouls a game this season

Since 2011-12 the average number of fouls awarded per Prem game has never gone above 22.7

Are the referees instructed with figures to go on, as they are essentially averaging it out to around one foul per player.
Are they somehow keeping track of how many fouls are being committed in the match and being informed?




 

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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2023, 08:46:13 AM »
The International FA Board (Ifab) is now considering only allowing captains to speak to officials and 10-minute sin-bins for dissent in professional game to tackle player misbehaviour.

FA research has seen a marked decrease of dissent incidents in grassroots football since the sin-bin pilot was introduced, with players, coaches and referees all in favour of continuing with the trial.


IFAB said
"Players approaching (referees) in an aggressive manner simply cannot be tolerated any longer. We have even seen on a number of occasions where players deliberately go behind a referee with others coming in front of him so he cannot get away.
If only the captain can approach the referee, then afterwards he or she can explain to their team-mates what has happened. This has worked well in other sports such as rugby and basketball.'

« Last Edit: November 17, 2023, 08:50:03 AM by Footy-Vill »

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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2023, 09:02:37 AM »
Good, if they introduce and actually enforce that it will be a massive improvement.

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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2023, 09:09:47 AM »
Yes long term sin bins are being considered for certain fouls as well but initially player dissent is wanting to be tackled.

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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2023, 09:33:09 AM »
Good, if they introduce and actually enforce that it will be a massive improvement.

I've been saying for years, even before the Manure players infamously stampeded the ref lead by a screaming captain that they have the facility to nip this in the bud early, even if it means matches were abandoned due to lack of players on the pitch. The trouble is they allowed the major names to get away with it, and each season when they did launch a Respect-The-Ref initiative, they would back down after the first few games* and not book / send the players off.

*Last season a wolves player got his second yellow for approaching the ref and sent off as they stated only the captain or a player nearby can pre-season. The match the next day had Man Citeh players doing the same thing and no cards were shown.

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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2023, 10:53:00 AM »
Good, if they introduce and actually enforce that it will be a massive improvement.
Enforcement is key (see also: 10 yards for not retreating 10 yards from a free kick; not surrounding the refs; etc).

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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2023, 11:28:37 AM »
Good, if they introduce and actually enforce that it will be a massive improvement.
Enforcement is key (see also: 10 yards for not retreating 10 yards from a free kick; not surrounding the refs; etc).

Boils my piss when players stand around clearly obstructing a free kick being taken. Nothing is ever done about it and it ends up being a disadvantage to the team.

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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2023, 11:32:16 AM »
As per usual the authorities are complicating matters. Apart from the captain, just give the other players a yellow who hassle the ref. Enforce what was already in place (e.g. Wolves player as mentioned by poster above). It will soon stop if enforced properly.

I have no faith in these authorities. They should be sorting out the current mess instead of creating more problems.

   
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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2023, 07:24:11 PM »
One match away from suspension:Kamara, Luiz, and Digne

Next Game:Spurs 
Ref: Rob Jones

Yellow cards:
Second-most yellow cards awarded this season. 47.Averages 5 yellows a game.
For time-wasting: 2 yellows
For Dissent: 8 (2nd most) Booked Sheff Utd Manager for Dissent

Red Cards: 3 in 9 matches. Average a red card every 3 matches.(2 dissmisals were for second yellows).

Penalties: 3 awarded in 9 games.

Villa games reffed this season:
Wolves 1-1 Villa. 5 yellow cards in Match Including Red Card Lemina (second yellow).Booked Kamara and McGinn for fouls

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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2023, 07:38:54 PM »
This season, 15/20 Premier League managers have been booked for dissent.
At a meeting with the FA and the Professional Game Match Officials Board [PGMOL], the Premier League and Officials are to take a stronger stance on this upon resumption of the league matches.  Managers will risk touchline bans, and clubs would face higher fines for touchline abuse, dissent, and criticism of officials.

Unai Emery is not one of the managers who have been booked this season. He's such a class act.
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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2023, 07:45:51 PM »
What is pleasing is how Emery knows respect. Unai is passionate and vocal on the sidelines, but he isn't interested in antics, dissent, and whining that other managers and coaches engage in. There are some top managers who are particularly bad. But, despite high stakes Emery conducts him self like a true professional.

Emery behaviour is excellent and I'm proud as he serves as a lesson to other clubs as well as his own players about standards and respect. It's just another reason to love the guy!
Unai carry on with your exemplary ways- It's a credit how you represent our football club.

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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2023, 06:10:22 PM »
Great stuff thanks for posting.

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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2023, 05:52:06 PM »
One match away from suspension:Kamara, Luiz, and Digne

Next Game:Spurs 
Ref: Rob Jones

Yellow cards:
Second-most yellow cards awarded this season. 47.Averages 5 yellows a game.
For time-wasting: 2 yellows
For Dissent: 8 (2nd most) Booked Sheff Utd Manager for Dissent

Red Cards: 3 in 9 matches. Average a red card every 3 matches.(2 dissmisals were for second yellows).

Penalties: 3 awarded in 9 games.

Villa games reffed this season:
Wolves 1-1 Villa. 5 yellow cards in Match Including Red Card Lemina (second yellow).Booked Kamara and McGinn for fouls
4 Bookings in the match all to Villa.
Two matches reffed by Jones this season and two bookings for Kamara And McGinn
 
Yellow for Cash who did a reckless foul, it was very ill disciplined and could have been red.
 
Rob Jones likes to book for Dissent, as mentioned above.
Yellows today for Dissent for McGinn and Watkins

Yet that was harsh for both. On Watkins it was rightfully a corner as Spurs defender Davies headed off but was given as a goal kick! Watkins complained and then booked!
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Re: Discipline and Suspension Watch 23/24
« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2023, 05:52:54 PM »
So after 13 matches Premier matches played.
5 Yellows and Suspension for Bournemouth : Kamara
4 Yellows  = close to suspension: Digne, Cash and Luiz.
3 Yellows: McGinn
2 Yellows : Martínez, Duran and Zaniolo, Watkins
« Last Edit: November 26, 2023, 05:56:28 PM by Footy-Vill »

 


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