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Online ChicagoLion

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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #120 on: September 08, 2023, 06:03:40 AM »
When we talk about the owners putting in hundreds of millions, they have, but they haven’t done it out of an altruistic need to entertain us

also please do not ever think these guys are putting in any of their own personal money because they aren't . It's all borrowed money
That is some sweeping statement which is also completely wrong.
Not all owners are the Glazers.

Offline leylandalbion

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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #121 on: September 08, 2023, 07:32:04 AM »
Charging what they can...hoping that they use it as a test bed for euro games...and once they see uptake from ST is poor they release tickets at a more reasonable rate....can live in hope I guess...

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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #122 on: September 08, 2023, 07:51:34 AM »
I have no problem with the club maximising revenue, but I really don't think it's acceptable to walk on filthy floors, sit in filthy stands and piss into blocked urinals.
Or have enough of the beverage left half way through the game that i actually pre paid for!!

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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #123 on: September 08, 2023, 12:46:23 PM »
Ashton, I haven’t got £1,000 never mind £100 million. However, if I had our owners amount of wealth, £100 million would be loose change and, if they were to sell the club to new buyers, I’ve no doubt they would recoup more than they’ve put in. Please don’t feel sorry for them, feel sorry for the ordinary fan who can no longer afford to attend Villa matches. At the moment, I can just about afford my season ticket but, for how much longer depends on any future whopping increases.

This, many times over. I don't know if it's reflected amongst real people, or whether I spend too.much time on Twitter, but the sight of Villa supporters saying that if you can't afford a ticket there's plenty who can has saddened me. I've said it before and I still believe it - I wouldn't want success if it meant selling our soul.

This. My hard earned cash is worth the same as everyone else’s. I’m simply priced out of football if I could get tickets and gone are the days I might pop down the villa these days. Kudos to those who support every week home and away but for day trippers like me, the early rounds of a cup were the cheap way of getting to a game. Granted I could still attend one or two games but never with any regularity. It has become the expensive hobby.  But one with no entry level anymore.

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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #124 on: September 08, 2023, 12:52:35 PM »
To put it in context if you assume the collective net worth of the owners is £10bn £100m is like me spending £48.

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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #125 on: September 08, 2023, 12:56:03 PM »
When we talk about the owners putting in hundreds of millions, they have, but they haven’t done it out of an altruistic need to entertain us

also please do not ever think these guys are putting in any of their own personal money because they aren't . It's all borrowed money

You dont seem to like them very much.
I neither like them nor dislike them , i don't know them and never will. I like the way they "rescued" the club though absolutely . I'll probably be priced out and kicked out of my seat in the next few years after nearly 50 years of going down there . I'm a realist though, it is what it is .

Online wince

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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #126 on: September 08, 2023, 12:56:36 PM »
To put it in context if you assume the collective net worth of the owners is £10bn £100m is like me spending £48.
Does that mean the equivalent ticket price for them is £100m?
Seriously, money in football is mind boggling to be honest. I’m wondering if an F1 style price cap would be better or worse. I would say worse

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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #127 on: September 08, 2023, 12:59:03 PM »
Ashton, I haven’t got £1,000 never mind £100 million. However, if I had our owners amount of wealth, £100 million would be loose change and, if they were to sell the club to new buyers, I’ve no doubt they would recoup more than they’ve put in. Please don’t feel sorry for them, feel sorry for the ordinary fan who can no longer afford to attend Villa matches. At the moment, I can just about afford my season ticket but, for how much longer depends on any future whopping increases.

This, many times over. I don't know if it's reflected amongst real people, or whether I spend too.much time on Twitter, but the sight of Villa supporters saying that if you can't afford a ticket there's plenty who can has saddened me. I've said it before and I still believe it - I wouldn't want success if it meant selling our soul.

This. My hard earned cash is worth the same as everyone else’s. I’m simply priced out of football if I could get tickets and gone are the days I might pop down the villa these days. Kudos to those who support every week home and away but for day trippers like me, the early rounds of a cup were the cheap way of getting to a game. Granted I could still attend one or two games but never with any regularity. It has become the expensive hobby.  But one with no entry level anymore.

For me it's the other way round. When I lived down the road I was just a kid and we were a bit skint, so I only went once in a blue moon.

Now I'd go to every game, but I live 1,000 miles away.

Offline Chico Hamilton III

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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #128 on: September 08, 2023, 01:25:38 PM »
To put it in context if you assume the collective net worth of the owners is £10bn £100m is like me spending £48.

So, as a percentage of our respective wealth, most of us “pony up” more to watch a single Villa game than our owners’ net spend on transfers since they took over? And we do so dozens of times a season?


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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #129 on: September 08, 2023, 01:30:51 PM »
When we talk about the owners putting in hundreds of millions, they have, but they haven’t done it out of an altruistic need to entertain us

They’ve done it because they think they can make the club worth considerably more than they paid for us.

They bought us as a distressed asset for what 60m?

The club is worth at least ten times that now. They’ve invested in terms of having a sensible corporate structure, having a decent squad, all of these things and they are great owners. They saved the club.

But let’s not forget, they’re not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. They’re investing to create significant value further down the line. Not because they love the club.

Ahem.

Yep, whilst it's true the owners 'rescued' us. They did so because they saw a distressed asset that, with investment, would quickly become worth way more than they paid for it. They were right. They clearly know what they're doing.

But let's not descend into hero-worshipping a couple of billionaires. They're here to use us to make money. I know that's how it's supposed to work, and we'll have some fun along the way (hopefully). But let's never confuse them for benevolent benefactors. They're not doing us a favour by being here.

Honestly, this once-great poster. I'm being sick and my guts ache like mad.

Ha ha, I genuinely hadn't seen your post, but I really wanted to use the term "distressed asset" again.

Online ChicagoLion

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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #130 on: September 08, 2023, 04:18:43 PM »
I don’t think that our owners were that cynical, it’s easy with hindsight’s to portray it as that. I also think it is more to do with being able to buy the best past time possible, ie owning a potentially top class PL club.
What is alarming is the almost total disregard for the supporters and a total lack of ability to fix what should be fixable problems. I am hopeing that binning Purslow is the  first step towards a better attitude towards commercial and fan engagement.

Offline N'ZMAV

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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #131 on: September 08, 2023, 05:08:57 PM »
so far, unless it's too early to tell, has binning Purslow made any remarkable improvements?

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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #132 on: September 08, 2023, 05:12:04 PM »
Well what improvements should we expect so soon?

Offline Chris Harte

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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #133 on: September 08, 2023, 05:15:34 PM »
The three game package for the European games seems quite sensible. I'll even put the money I won't be puting towards the Everton cup game towards those.

May have been covered elsewhere, but didn't we used to (at least in recent times) get a free cup game on our season tickets?

Offline N'ZMAV

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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #134 on: September 08, 2023, 05:21:47 PM »
Well what improvements should we expect so soon?
something towards value for money :)

 


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