Fleecing.

[PeterWithe]

I've a very vague memory of a H&V article post the Inter defeat, so 1991 or 1992, arguing that we would all be happy to see the best players in the world in front of us, even if it meant paying a lot more. We've got that now haven't we?

Cant mind author mind.

Probably me, but "a lot more" then meant a couple of quid rather than a mortgage. 

Could have been although I, again vaguely, seem to recall it was later along the pages which would indicate a contributor rather than editorial? Pretty sure, maybe, perhaps,  there was a line that said 'Who couldn't find £100 to watch Lothar Matteus'

Answer -Me in them days, and come to mention it these days as well, fuck that.

[dave.woodhall]

And they still made 31% more than us last year!

Presumably that would have been based on 2021-22, when they finished above us in the league and had a long European run.

[85kota]

And they still made 31% more than us last year!

Presumably that would have been based on 2021-22, when they finished above us in the league and had a long European run.

No that's matchday revenue Percy posted above.

[PeterWithesShin]

If it is 21/22 they had 9 home cup games, we had 0.

[dave.woodhall]

I've a very vague memory of a H&V article post the Inter defeat, so 1991 or 1992, arguing that we would all be happy to see the best players in the world in front of us, even if it meant paying a lot more. We've got that now haven't we?

Cant mind author mind.

Probably me, but "a lot more" then meant a couple of quid rather than a mortgage. 

Could have been although I, again vaguely, seem to recall it was later along the pages which would indicate a contributor rather than editorial? Pretty sure, maybe, perhaps,  there was a line that said 'Who couldn't find £100 to watch Lothar Matteus'

Answer -Me in them days, and come to mention it these days as well, fuck that.

Do you honestly think I'd say I'd pay £100 a match even to watch Charlie Athersmith and Billy Walker reincarnated?

[PeterWithesShin]

Considering it was £8 to stand on the Holte v Inter in 1990 maybe whoever wrote it meant £100 for a ST?

[PeterWithe]

No. Of course not, you have a reputation to live down to. Which is why I said I think said piece was from a contributor, an unworldy, naive, callow youth no doubt.

[PeterWithesShin]

Some younger readers may find this interesting, some of the prices, especially Arsenal's, were considered 'crazy'. Ours turned out to be pretty good value as we won the league. As an aside, the following season your ST got you into all home cup matches at no extra charge, that was pretty decent value as well.

[VillaTim]

Brighton haven't had to do it. Leicester didn't. We seem to be paying top prices for tickets while the commercial side is flatlining.

To be fair Brighton have achieved nothing and Leicester just got relegated so not sure your point stands.

Brighton achieved more than us last season. Leicester won the league and the FA Cup more recently .

[VillaTim]

When we talk about the owners putting in hundreds of millions, they have, but they haven’t done it out of an altruistic need to entertain us

also please do not ever think these guys are putting in any of their own personal money because they aren't . It's all borrowed money

[Clampy]

When we talk about the owners putting in hundreds of millions, they have, but they haven’t done it out of an altruistic need to entertain us

also please do not ever think these guys are putting in any of their own personal money because they aren't . It's all borrowed money

You dont seem to like them very much.

[LeonW]

Brighton haven't had to do it. Leicester didn't. We seem to be paying top prices for tickets while the commercial side is flatlining.

To be fair Brighton have achieved nothing and Leicester just got relegated so not sure your point stands.

We've achieved nothing and I must have imagined Leicester winning the league and the FA Cup.

I certainly didn't imagine them getting relegated when they had to reign in spending.

After they'd won more than we have in over forty years.

Swap places now?

Which of our signings this summer would you not have signed due to the lack of revenue from the increases? Torres, Diaby or Teilemans? In reality that is the kind of choice that would have to be made until revenues from other areas are improved - which they seem quite keen on goven the number of off field appointments recently.

Edit

I should add that I am equally unreasonable. I want unlimited spending, no FFP and an owner that will spunk billions that made his/her money in a nice way and is not an oil state. l also would never ever put 100s of millions of my own cash in. I just don't think thats available right now.

Yes, I would swap places with them now, in return for their previous seven years. I'll tell you which one of our new players I'd do without if you can tell me which one of them a lower price increase would have meant us not signing, or explain why we wouldn't have been able to afford them given that we still apparently have money left over for January  Perhaps you can also tell me who else we might have been able to sign if our much-vaunted off-field team had done better in raising income, or why it's us who have to shell out in the hope of the team getting better.

I agree entirely with Dave’s point above. With our current stadium capacity and facilities, it’s a fallacy to think that the increases made are suddenly going to have us competing with the turnover from match day revenue of, say, Spurs with the facilities they have. It will have little to no bearing whatsoever in what is generated. Now that may change with an increased capacity, but not for now.

It seems to be a means of trying to mask commercial under performance which has gone back for many years, decades even. Rather than try and solve this problem we have corporate executive types who think the solution is to inflict their failings onto their most important stakeholders with little regard and yielding little tangible improvement. In the same equally uninspired vein in which they’ve taken on a gambling sponsor.

Purslow went months ago. I feel that it’s currently the classic case of blaming the person who is no longer with the business for what is currently transpiring.

If only the current ‘prudence’ and ‘sustainable’ approach to our on field recruitment was replicated to management of our off field matters which seem to be an entirely different approach to supporters.

[ASHTONVILLA]

When we talk about the owners putting in hundreds of millions, they have, but they haven’t done it out of an altruistic need to entertain us

also please do not ever think these guys are putting in any of their own personal money because they aren't . It's all borrowed money

No it isn't.

And even if it was, would you borrow £100m then say fuck it lets make it £110m and let the fans in for nowt, and why not lets fuck FFP and borrow another £100m and buy even more players, who cares if we get chucked out of Europe or a points deduction lets just borrow more?

Other peoples money is easy to earn, easy to spend.

Like I say, I think this is more about FFP and pushing to make us competitive than it is milking the fans.

[LeonW]

When we talk about the owners putting in hundreds of millions, they have, but they haven’t done it out of an altruistic need to entertain us

also please do not ever think these guys are putting in any of their own personal money because they aren't . It's all borrowed money

No it isn't.

And even if it was, would you borrow £100m then say fuck it lets make it £110m and let the fans in for nowt, and why not lets fuck FFP and borrow another £100m and buy even more players, who cares if we get chucked out of Europe or a points deduction lets just borrow more?

Other peoples money is easy to earn, easy to spend.

Like I say, I think this is more about FFP and pushing to make us competitive than it is milking the fans.

What’s our current FFP position?

[Percy McCarthy]

When we talk about the owners putting in hundreds of millions, they have, but they haven’t done it out of an altruistic need to entertain us

also please do not ever think these guys are putting in any of their own personal money because they aren't . It's all borrowed money

No it isn't.

And even if it was, would you borrow £100m then say fuck it lets make it £110m and let the fans in for nowt, and why not lets fuck FFP and borrow another £100m and buy even more players, who cares if we get chucked out of Europe or a points deduction lets just borrow more?

Other peoples money is easy to earn, easy to spend.

Like I say, I think this is more about FFP and pushing to make us competitive than it is milking the fans.

What’s our current FFP position?

I think we’re eagerly anticipated accounts and analysis from Risso and Swiss Ramble. In advance of that I’d say we are healthily placed.