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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #90 on: September 07, 2023, 09:43:14 PM »
Brighton haven't had to do it. Leicester didn't. We seem to be paying top prices for tickets while the commercial side is flatlining.

To be fair Brighton have achieved nothing and Leicester just got relegated so not sure your point stands.

We've achieved nothing and I must have imagined Leicester winning the league and the FA Cup.

I certainly didn't imagine them getting relegated when they had to reign in spending.

After they'd won more than we have in over forty years.

Swap places now?

Which of our signings this summer would you not have signed due to the lack of revenue from the increases? Torres, Diaby or Teilemans? In reality that is the kind of choice that would have to be made until revenues from other areas are improved - which they seem quite keen on goven the number of off field appointments recently.

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I should add that I am equally unreasonable. I want unlimited spending, no FFP and an owner that will spunk billions that made his/her money in a nice way and is not an oil state. l also would never ever put 100s of millions of my own cash in. I just don't think thats available right now.

Yes, I would swap places with them now, in return for their previous seven years. I'll tell you which one of our new players I'd do without if you can tell me which one of them a lower price increase would have meant us not signing, or explain why we wouldn't have been able to afford them given that we still apparently have money left over for January  Perhaps you can also tell me who else we might have been able to sign if our much-vaunted off-field team had done better in raising income, or why it's us who have to shell out in the hope of the team getting better.

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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #91 on: September 07, 2023, 09:45:05 PM »
I'd never swap for anyone, I signed up to the Villa.

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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #92 on: September 07, 2023, 09:57:20 PM »

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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #93 on: September 07, 2023, 09:58:07 PM »
Ashton, I haven’t got £1,000 never mind £100 million. However, if I had our owners amount of wealth, £100 million would be loose change and, if they were to sell the club to new buyers, I’ve no doubt they would recoup more than they’ve put in. Please don’t feel sorry for them, feel sorry for the ordinary fan who can no longer afford to attend Villa matches. At the moment, I can just about afford my season ticket but, for how much longer depends on any future whopping increases.

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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #94 on: September 07, 2023, 10:09:16 PM »
Ashton, I haven’t got £1,000 never mind £100 million. However, if I had our owners amount of wealth, £100 million would be loose change and, if they were to sell the club to new buyers, I’ve no doubt they would recoup more than they’ve put in. Please don’t feel sorry for them, feel sorry for the ordinary fan who can no longer afford to attend Villa matches. At the moment, I can just about afford my season ticket but, for how much longer depends on any future whopping increases.

This, many times over. I don't know if it's reflected amongst real people, or whether I spend too.much time on Twitter, but the sight of Villa supporters saying that if you can't afford a ticket there's plenty who can has saddened me. I've said it before and I still believe it - I wouldn't want success if it meant selling our soul.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2023, 10:19:58 PM by dave.woodhall »

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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #95 on: September 07, 2023, 10:23:57 PM »
Ashton, I haven’t got £1,000 never mind £100 million. However, if I had our owners amount of wealth, £100 million would be loose change and, if they were to sell the club to new buyers, I’ve no doubt they would recoup more than they’ve put in. Please don’t feel sorry for them, feel sorry for the ordinary fan who can no longer afford to attend Villa matches. At the moment, I can just about afford my season ticket but, for how much longer depends on any future whopping increases.

Spot on Skerra


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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #96 on: September 07, 2023, 10:25:34 PM »
When we talk about the owners putting in hundreds of millions, they have, but they haven’t done it out of an altruistic need to entertain us

They’ve done it because they think they can make the club worth considerably more than they paid for us.

They bought us as a distressed asset for what 60m?

The club is worth at least ten times that now. They’ve invested in terms of having a sensible corporate structure, having a decent squad, all of these things and they are great owners. They saved the club.

But let’s not forget, they’re not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. They’re investing to create significant value further down the line. Not because they love the club.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2023, 10:27:28 PM by pauliewalnuts »

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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #97 on: September 07, 2023, 10:26:01 PM »
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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #98 on: September 07, 2023, 10:30:04 PM »
Ashton, I haven’t got £1,000 never mind £100 million. However, if I had our owners amount of wealth, £100 million would be loose change and, if they were to sell the club to new buyers, I’ve no doubt they would recoup more than they’ve put in. Please don’t feel sorry for them, feel sorry for the ordinary fan who can no longer afford to attend Villa matches. At the moment, I can just about afford my season ticket but, for how much longer depends on any future whopping increases.

This, many times over. I don't know if it's reflected amongst real people, or whether I spend too.much time on Twitter, but the sight of Villa supporters saying that if you can't afford a ticket there's plenty who can has saddened me. I've said it before and I still believe it - I wouldn't want success if it meant selling our soul.

But you would swap for Leicester's trophies, who fleeced their fans for 31% more.

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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #99 on: September 07, 2023, 10:34:12 PM »
Ashton, I haven’t got £1,000 never mind £100 million. However, if I had our owners amount of wealth, £100 million would be loose change and, if they were to sell the club to new buyers, I’ve no doubt they would recoup more than they’ve put in. Please don’t feel sorry for them, feel sorry for the ordinary fan who can no longer afford to attend Villa matches. At the moment, I can just about afford my season ticket but, for how much longer depends on any future whopping increases.

This, many times over. I don't know if it's reflected amongst real people, or whether I spend too.much time on Twitter, but the sight of Villa supporters saying that if you can't afford a ticket there's plenty who can has saddened me. I've said it before and I still believe it - I wouldn't want success if it meant selling our soul.

But you would swap for Leicester's trophies, who fleeced their fans for 31% more.

Leicester didn't raise their season ticket prices from 2014 until 2022, when they went up by an average of 5%.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2023, 10:36:36 PM by dave.woodhall »

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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #100 on: September 07, 2023, 10:36:58 PM »
I've a very vague memory of a H&V article post the Inter defeat, so 1991 or 1992, arguing that we would all be happy to see the best players in the world in front of us, even if it meant paying a lot more. We've got that now haven't we?

Cant mind author mind.

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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #101 on: September 07, 2023, 10:39:28 PM »
I've a very vague memory of a H&V article post the Inter defeat, so 1991 or 1992, arguing that we would all be happy to see the best players in the world in front of us, even if it meant paying a lot more. We've got that now haven't we?

Cant mind author mind.

Probably me, but "a lot more" then meant a couple of quid rather than a mortgage. 

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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #102 on: September 07, 2023, 10:40:37 PM »
Leicester's cheapest season ticket when they won the league was £365. 7 years later, last season, it was £385.

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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #103 on: September 07, 2023, 10:41:33 PM »
And they still made 31% more than us last year!

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Re: Fleecing.
« Reply #104 on: September 07, 2023, 10:46:20 PM »
When we talk about the owners putting in hundreds of millions, they have, but they haven’t done it out of an altruistic need to entertain us

They’ve done it because they think they can make the club worth considerably more than they paid for us.

They bought us as a distressed asset for what 60m?

The club is worth at least ten times that now. They’ve invested in terms of having a sensible corporate structure, having a decent squad, all of these things and they are great owners. They saved the club.

But let’s not forget, they’re not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. They’re investing to create significant value further down the line. Not because they love the club.

Ahem.

Yep, whilst it's true the owners 'rescued' us. They did so because they saw a distressed asset that, with investment, would quickly become worth way more than they paid for it. They were right. They clearly know what they're doing.

But let's not descend into hero-worshipping a couple of billionaires. They're here to use us to make money. I know that's how it's supposed to work, and we'll have some fun along the way (hopefully). But let's never confuse them for benevolent benefactors. They're not doing us a favour by being here.

Honestly, this once-great poster. I'm being sick and my guts ache like mad.

 


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