Newcastle United vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[PeterWithesShin]

I think we have 6 key players if we want to play to our best and the Unai way. Martinez, Mings, Moreno, JJ, Buendia and Ollie. By half time yesterday we only had 2 of them fit.

[LeonW]

It's not a case of thinking everything will be rosy. The game has gone now, it's about putting it right next time out.

I think that it was more than just a bad day at the office. If we’ve serious about this season you don’t lose like that and in that manner against supposedly direct competition. It was most concerning that at points we were simply not switched on at all and more concerning, we didn’t seem capable of changing it with what we have. Beating Everton next week shouldn’t mask that.

Your in danger of writing of the season or implying it. Now beating Everton won’t make up for yesterday? It was shite and once and only once the third goal went in, shambolic, and yes Emery and his team need to review etc, revelation of the year that one. But actually good teams do get battered from time to time, Man Utd lost by 7 to a faltering Liverpool last season, we put 7 past Liverpool a few years back etc. its more heightened because its the first game and we have all had such high hopes.

But are we all of a sudden saying Emery doesnt know what he’s doing??

Despite yesterday, despite the nature of it, despite the shite injuries, we will still have a very good season.

The reality is that that was our heaviest defeat under Emery against side that played no differently from what we would expect and which was equally aided and abetted by us. And as auditions go for competing near the higher end of things, it was woeful. And no, beating Everton (which hopefully we will) won’t address things because that’s not where our season will be defined. Our season will be defined in fixtures like yesterday if we’re looking to get into the top 6. It was the performance more than the result which I found most disappointing. Heavy losses can happen but crikey did we help them and worse, once the third went in we never looked like getting back into it even with 30 minutes still to go.

I understand what your saying in terms of competing against teams we are expecting to be in and around, but Im not sure that I agree that beating Everton won’t address things. There is all sorts that is fundamentally wrong with that statement. Firstly and most obviously , 3 points is 3 points, secondly momentum is massive in football and we start on that train. Other than that, i just don’t beating teams we are perhaps expected to beat, is less important or that it doesn’t start to address issues such as the numerous ones that occurred yesterday.

I’d suggest after the three heavy losses against Leicester, Man City and Arsenal in Feb, the 1-0 home win over Palace, was just as important in many ways as the 3-0 demolition of Newcastle. Likewise the 3-0 over Bournemouth was just as important as any result/performance in establishing the Emery style.

Where we gain real momentum is getting results against those we’re competing with to propel us forward. If you want to look at last season we gained more doing the double over a Spurs or Brighton then we did doing the double over Everton. Not so much the points, but beating them in a head to head scenario which ultimately propelled us above Spurs. We gained more and learned more in head to heads like yesterday then Everton at home, which should we win, what will it prove? To just consider it as of equal value because each game is potentially worth 3 points misses the point. There would be no big games if that was the case. Getting the job done against Everton should be the minimum if we’re going to get into the top 6. The teams we’re looking to compete against will view that fixture in a similar way with their mission to get the job done. It won’t necessarily address what we saw yesterday for the very reason that we have a better squad, a better manager and are the home side. We could play badly and still win, something which we absolutely cannot do against sides like Newcastle. Should we beat Everton, it will demonstrate nothing.

[Toronto Villa]

A point back of Liverpool. Season isn’t over yet.

[Bent Neilsens Screamer]

There seems to be a bit of revisionism over Buendia since his injury. I was getting the general thought to be he wouldn’t be in the first 11, yes he’d certainly provide an option from the bench as part of the squad, that option has now gone but peoples opinion of him now appear to have flipped and he’s now a huge miss for the first team.
If everyone is fit would he be in the first 11, it’s a no from me.

[pauliewalnuts]

There seems to be a bit of revisionism over Buendia since his injury. I was getting the general thought to be he wouldn’t be in the first 11, yes he’d certainly provide an option from the bench as part of the squad, that option has now gone but peoples opinion of him now appear to have flipped and he’s now a huge miss for the first team.
If everyone is fit would he be in the first 11, it’s a no from me.

I don't get this mentality (not having a pop at you here, but in general as I've read this argument a lot the last few days).

We need to stop thinking first XI and not-first -XI. We need differing line ups for different matches, it's not like MON era pick your best eleven and hope for the best.

He's a very valuable member of a squad that is going to have to play a lot of matches this season. He's now not available for probably the whole season, that's a problem.

Look back 24 hours to see how that's a problem. So many of the players absolutely not delivering, one of them crocked long term. That's why you need as many good players as you can get.

Pau Torres wasn't part of the first team at kick off yesterday, nor was Diego Carlos, but they both were on 90 minutes.

[Bent Neilsens Screamer]

I understand, that’s why I mentioned the squad. All I’m saying is there’s a bit of backtracking on Buendia since he got injured.

[Skerra]

Season going well so far as only 3 points behind The Blue Moons!
Seriously though, if we don’t address getting in a good striker and a replacement for Ty, we are going to struggle.
Pre match, I couldn’t believe some of the outlandish comments about how many we were going to beat them by. I would have happily settled for a draw.

[danno]

There seems to be a bit of revisionism over Buendia since his injury. I was getting the general thought to be he wouldn’t be in the first 11, yes he’d certainly provide an option from the bench as part of the squad, that option has now gone but peoples opinion of him now appear to have flipped and he’s now a huge miss for the first team.
If everyone is fit would he be in the first 11, it’s a no from me.

No, but with Ramsey out he would be in the team.
Much like how Vassell would be a huge miss if Joachim was already out injured.

Buendia played in every game last season, whatever anybody's opinion of him that is a huge miss. Those are minutes that have to be given elsewhere, and with more games this season sharing the workload around the squad will be vital.

ahh i think mr walnuts has said it already.  eeeh! 

[pablo_picasso]

There seems to be a bit of revisionism over Buendia since his injury. I was getting the general thought to be he wouldn’t be in the first 11, yes he’d certainly provide an option from the bench as part of the squad, that option has now gone but peoples opinion of him now appear to have flipped and he’s now a huge miss for the first team.
If everyone is fit would he be in the first 11, it’s a no from me.

Its a no from me too.

Too lightweight & gives the ball away far too often.

And thats Baileys job...

[Toronto Villa]

I don’t think it’s revisionism. But I think, sorry I know, he would have been far better than Bailey had he started yesterday. Buendia has his limitations. It’s why we bought Diaby and likely will buy others that pushes him down the pecking order. But he’s good enough to be an effective squad player or someone who starts in specific circumstances. Not someone who should be a regular starting option.

[London Villan]

We had options available not to pick bailey yesterday. Having three forwards was unusual from emery and seemed to unbalance the whole set-up. Mcginn should have been on the right with tielemans or philogene on the left of the four.

[AV84]

I think if Ramsey was fit we'd be OK without Buendia, and brace yourselves, I think Cash would be perfectly fine if Moreno was on the other side. It's the extremely unfortunate overlap of all these injuries that has seemingly knocked everyone off-kilter.

We definitely need some solid heads to take charge over the next few weeks, and hopefully by mid September we'll have Ramsey and Moreno back, be qualified for Europe, and have 9-12 points in the bank.

[RamboandBruno]

It's not a case of thinking everything will be rosy. The game has gone now, it's about putting it right next time out.

I think that it was more than just a bad day at the office. If we’ve serious about this season you don’t lose like that and in that manner against supposedly direct competition. It was most concerning that at points we were simply not switched on at all and more concerning, we didn’t seem capable of changing it with what we have. Beating Everton next week shouldn’t mask that.

Your in danger of writing of the season or implying it. Now beating Everton won’t make up for yesterday? It was shite and once and only once the third goal went in, shambolic, and yes Emery and his team need to review etc, revelation of the year that one. But actually good teams do get battered from time to time, Man Utd lost by 7 to a faltering Liverpool last season, we put 7 past Liverpool a few years back etc. its more heightened because its the first game and we have all had such high hopes.

But are we all of a sudden saying Emery doesnt know what he’s doing??

Despite yesterday, despite the nature of it, despite the shite injuries, we will still have a very good season.

The reality is that that was our heaviest defeat under Emery against side that played no differently from what we would expect and which was equally aided and abetted by us. And as auditions go for competing near the higher end of things, it was woeful. And no, beating Everton (which hopefully we will) won’t address things because that’s not where our season will be defined. Our season will be defined in fixtures like yesterday if we’re looking to get into the top 6. It was the performance more than the result which I found most disappointing. Heavy losses can happen but crikey did we help them and worse, once the third went in we never looked like getting back into it even with 30 minutes still to go.

I understand what your saying in terms of competing against teams we are expecting to be in and around, but Im not sure that I agree that beating Everton won’t address things. There is all sorts that is fundamentally wrong with that statement. Firstly and most obviously , 3 points is 3 points, secondly momentum is massive in football and we start on that train. Other than that, i just don’t beating teams we are perhaps expected to beat, is less important or that it doesn’t start to address issues such as the numerous ones that occurred yesterday.

I’d suggest after the three heavy losses against Leicester, Man City and Arsenal in Feb, the 1-0 home win over Palace, was just as important in many ways as the 3-0 demolition of Newcastle. Likewise the 3-0 over Bournemouth was just as important as any result/performance in establishing the Emery style.

Where we gain real momentum is getting results against those we’re competing with to propel us forward. If you want to look at last season we gained more doing the double over a Spurs or Brighton then we did doing the double over Everton. Not so much the points, but beating them in a head to head scenario which ultimately propelled us above Spurs. We gained more and learned more in head to heads like yesterday then Everton at home, which should we win, what will it prove? To just consider it as of equal value because each game is potentially worth 3 points misses the point. There would be no big games if that was the case. Getting the job done against Everton should be the minimum if we’re going to get into the top 6. The teams we’re looking to compete against will view that fixture in a similar way with their mission to get the job done. It won’t necessarily address what we saw yesterday for the very reason that we have a better squad, a better manager and are the home side. We could play badly and still win, something which we absolutely cannot do against sides like Newcastle. Should we beat Everton, it will demonstrate nothing.
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Im sorry Leon its quite patronising to say im missing the point. I get your point, but I disagree.
To say next week (if we win) demonstrates nothing,’is just plain ridiculous really. Every game brings it challenges.
So from you say only games against the so called top six will define our season.
Man City drew to us at VP last season under Stevie G, did that define their season. There are so many examples it would be dull to listen them all. 

[Risso]

I think we have 6 key players if we want to play to our best and the Unai way. Martinez, Mings, Moreno, JJ, Buendia and Ollie. By half time yesterday we only had 2 of them fit.

I'd agree with five of those. I think Buendia would be a bit part player, unless he sorted his consistency and passing out.

[LeonW]

It's not a case of thinking everything will be rosy. The game has gone now, it's about putting it right next time out.

I think that it was more than just a bad day at the office. If we’ve serious about this season you don’t lose like that and in that manner against supposedly direct competition. It was most concerning that at points we were simply not switched on at all and more concerning, we didn’t seem capable of changing it with what we have. Beating Everton next week shouldn’t mask that.

Your in danger of writing of the season or implying it. Now beating Everton won’t make up for yesterday? It was shite and once and only once the third goal went in, shambolic, and yes Emery and his team need to review etc, revelation of the year that one. But actually good teams do get battered from time to time, Man Utd lost by 7 to a faltering Liverpool last season, we put 7 past Liverpool a few years back etc. its more heightened because its the first game and we have all had such high hopes.

But are we all of a sudden saying Emery doesnt know what he’s doing??

Despite yesterday, despite the nature of it, despite the shite injuries, we will still have a very good season.

The reality is that that was our heaviest defeat under Emery against side that played no differently from what we would expect and which was equally aided and abetted by us. And as auditions go for competing near the higher end of things, it was woeful. And no, beating Everton (which hopefully we will) won’t address things because that’s not where our season will be defined. Our season will be defined in fixtures like yesterday if we’re looking to get into the top 6. It was the performance more than the result which I found most disappointing. Heavy losses can happen but crikey did we help them and worse, once the third went in we never looked like getting back into it even with 30 minutes still to go.

I understand what your saying in terms of competing against teams we are expecting to be in and around, but Im not sure that I agree that beating Everton won’t address things. There is all sorts that is fundamentally wrong with that statement. Firstly and most obviously , 3 points is 3 points, secondly momentum is massive in football and we start on that train. Other than that, i just don’t beating teams we are perhaps expected to beat, is less important or that it doesn’t start to address issues such as the numerous ones that occurred yesterday.

I’d suggest after the three heavy losses against Leicester, Man City and Arsenal in Feb, the 1-0 home win over Palace, was just as important in many ways as the 3-0 demolition of Newcastle. Likewise the 3-0 over Bournemouth was just as important as any result/performance in establishing the Emery style.

Where we gain real momentum is getting results against those we’re competing with to propel us forward. If you want to look at last season we gained more doing the double over a Spurs or Brighton then we did doing the double over Everton. Not so much the points, but beating them in a head to head scenario which ultimately propelled us above Spurs. We gained more and learned more in head to heads like yesterday then Everton at home, which should we win, what will it prove? To just consider it as of equal value because each game is potentially worth 3 points misses the point. There would be no big games if that was the case. Getting the job done against Everton should be the minimum if we’re going to get into the top 6. The teams we’re looking to compete against will view that fixture in a similar way with their mission to get the job done. It won’t necessarily address what we saw yesterday for the very reason that we have a better squad, a better manager and are the home side. We could play badly and still win, something which we absolutely cannot do against sides like Newcastle. Should we beat Everton, it will demonstrate nothing.
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Im sorry Leon its quite patronising to say im missing the point. I get your point, but I disagree.
To say next week (if we win) demonstrates nothing,’is just plain ridiculous really. Every game brings it challenges.
So from you say only games against the so called top six will define our season.
Man City drew to us at VP last season under Stevie G, did that define their season. There are so many examples it would be dull to listen them all.

No offence or patronising intended. Guess we just disagree on the points which is fine; opinion makes the world go round.