Newcastle United vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[RamboandBruno]

It's not a case of thinking everything will be rosy. The game has gone now, it's about putting it right next time out.

I think that it was more than just a bad day at the office. If we’ve serious about this season you don’t lose like that and in that manner against supposedly direct competition. It was most concerning that at points we were simply not switched on at all and more concerning, we didn’t seem capable of changing it with what we have. Beating Everton next week shouldn’t mask that.

Your in danger of writing of the season or implying it. Now beating Everton won’t make up for yesterday? It was shite and once and only once the third goal went in, shambolic, and yes Emery and his team need to review etc, revelation of the year that one. But actually good teams do get battered from time to time, Man Utd lost by 7 to a faltering Liverpool last season, we put 7 past Liverpool a few years back etc. its more heightened because its the first game and we have all had such high hopes.

But are we all of a sudden saying Emery doesnt know what he’s doing??

Despite yesterday, despite the nature of it, despite the shite injuries, we will still have a very good season.

The reality is that that was our heaviest defeat under Emery against side that played no differently from what we would expect and which was equally aided and abetted by us. And as auditions go for competing near the higher end of things, it was woeful. And no, beating Everton (which hopefully we will) won’t address things because that’s not where our season will be defined. Our season will be defined in fixtures like yesterday if we’re looking to get into the top 6. It was the performance more than the result which I found most disappointing. Heavy losses can happen but crikey did we help them and worse, once the third went in we never looked like getting back into it even with 30 minutes still to go.

I understand what your saying in terms of competing against teams we are expecting to be in and around, but Im not sure that I agree that beating Everton won’t address things. There is all sorts that is fundamentally wrong with that statement. Firstly and most obviously , 3 points is 3 points, secondly momentum is massive in football and we start on that train. Other than that, i just don’t beating teams we are perhaps expected to beat, is less important or that it doesn’t start to address issues such as the numerous ones that occurred yesterday.

I’d suggest after the three heavy losses against Leicester, Man City and Arsenal in Feb, the 1-0 home win over Palace, was just as important in many ways as the 3-0 demolition of Newcastle. Likewise the 3-0 over Bournemouth was just as important as any result/performance in establishing the Emery style.

Where we gain real momentum is getting results against those we’re competing with to propel us forward. If you want to look at last season we gained more doing the double over a Spurs or Brighton then we did doing the double over Everton. Not so much the points, but beating them in a head to head scenario which ultimately propelled us above Spurs. We gained more and learned more in head to heads like yesterday then Everton at home, which should we win, what will it prove? To just consider it as of equal value because each game is potentially worth 3 points misses the point. There would be no big games if that was the case. Getting the job done against Everton should be the minimum if we’re going to get into the top 6. The teams we’re looking to compete against will view that fixture in a similar way with their mission to get the job done. It won’t necessarily address what we saw yesterday for the very reason that we have a better squad, a better manager and are the home side. We could play badly and still win, something which we absolutely cannot do against sides like Newcastle. Should we beat Everton, it will demonstrate nothing.
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Im sorry Leon its quite patronising to say im missing the point. I get your point, but I disagree.
To say next week (if we win) demonstrates nothing,’is just plain ridiculous really. Every game brings it challenges.
So from you say only games against the so called top six will define our season.
Man City drew to us at VP last season under Stevie G, did that define their season. There are so many examples it would be dull to listen them all.

No offence or patronising intended. Guess we just disagree on the points which is fine; opinion makes the world go round.

No worries Leon…quoteathon over for everyone elses sake. UTV

[Risso]

If you must have a quotathon could you at least try to do it properly?

[Flin5tone]

A big big reality check.
I'm glad I was camping and didn't see it

[john e]

A big big reality check.
I'm glad I was camping and didn't see it

Oooh Matron !!

[adrenachrome]

A big big reality check.
I'm glad I was camping and didn't see it

Oooh Matron !!

He don't care do he? He's bold!

[LeonW]

If you must have a quotathon could you at least try to do it properly?

Even trying to quote a quote and respond to it seemed to just put it into the quote after awhile. Not sure how to change it! Maybe it was just too much quoting?

[ChicagoLion]

A big big reality check.
I'm glad I was camping and didn't see it

Oooh Matron !!

He is usually very intents.

[Bad English]

So, he put a tent pole up on the day we got spanked.

[ChicagoLion]

We have not seen the team in such total disarray under Emery. This was a chastening and potentially scarring defeat. The first time we have seen a lack of commitment to the cause from a few, there was a point in the second half we were reduced to walking with the ball with no idea what to do. The selection was wrong and it got worse from there, they ran past Bailey as if he wasn’t there and behind him was the lamentable Cash. Despite this we carved out some decent chances and could have been a high scoring game but we looked vulnerable to every attack.
A lot of work to do on and off the pitch , this is a defeat that could have consequences.
I just hope it makes us stronger but it might not.

[Clampy]

I think we'll be fine personally. We have players to come back and hopefully players still to come in. Replacing Mings is something that needs to be got right but I'm not too worried overall.

[Risso]

As I said before, our next couple of games are two that we absolutely should be winning. We'll get a good sense of whether Newcastle was just a one off aberration from those.

[Drummond]

I haven't watched it. But I still have a view.

We were excited about this season because of the manager and players we have. Then arguably our best in ore season got a season ending injury a couple of days before. Our leader for the last few years then suffered a season ending injury at 2-1 when we were still in the game. He was in severe pain and very distressed.

Newcastle pressed us at that point and we were in bits. Buendia, Mings, Ramsey, Moreno and Young all then not available who were when we trounced them. Letting Young go weakened the leadership team which didn't seem like a big deal at the time but is now.

We will bounce back and I can see us putting 4 past Everton. There's a week to prepare, to get over the psychological blow. You can bet Mings will be there this week, supporting the rest of the squad.

[Risso]

I haven't watched it. But I still have a view.

We were excited about this season because of the manager and players we have. Then arguably our best in ore season got a season ending injury a couple of days before. Our leader for the last few years then suffered a season ending injury at 2-1 when we were still in the game. He was in severe pain and very distressed.

Newcastle pressed us at that point and we were in bits. Buendia, Mings, Ramsey, Moreno and Young all then not available who were when we trounced them. Letting Young go weakened the leadership team which didn't seem like a big deal at the time but is now.

We will bounce back and I can see us putting 4 past Everton. There's a week to prepare, to get over the psychological blow. You can bet Mings will be there this week, supporting the rest of the squad.

Mings was available though, and we'd conceded two of the five goals with him playing. The set up from the off was just completely wrong.

[Brend'Watkins]

It's the first time the high line has been really exposed.  It will be against a side like Newcastle who have pace and skill in attack.  I wished we had set up a bit more defensive from the start.  Nullify them, frustrate them and build from there. Bailey should not have started this game and so it proved. We were in it for the first 45mins.  Watkins really should have buried that chance he dragged wide and Cash should have been more composed with the follow up shot from Diaby's effort 2nd half. One of those goes in and it's a different game. I thought Torres did well in a difficult game to start his time with us.  Looked confident, brought the ball out well and was accurate with his passing.  Diaby was a threat.  So there are some positives to be taken from the game but not many.  We conceded to much in midfield and it felt like Newcastle would score every time they went forward.

I'm changing my first manager sacking in the Prem too, it won't be Howe.

[Axl Rose]

I haven't watched it. But I still have a view.

We were excited about this season because of the manager and players we have. Then arguably our best in ore season got a season ending injury a couple of days before. Our leader for the last few years then suffered a season ending injury at 2-1 when we were still in the game. He was in severe pain and very distressed.

Newcastle pressed us at that point and we were in bits. Buendia, Mings, Ramsey, Moreno and Young all then not available who were when we trounced them. Letting Young go weakened the leadership team which didn't seem like a big deal at the time but is now.

We will bounce back and I can see us putting 4 past Everton. There's a week to prepare, to get over the psychological blow. You can bet Mings will be there this week, supporting the rest of the squad.

Mings was available though, and we'd conceded two of the five goals with him playing. The set up from the off was just completely wrong.

This.

Mings didn't look great, and neither did the rest of the defence before he got injured.

I don't really think Digne is that good of a left back. Always seems to get caught out by people arriving late into the box