Loanwatch 2023/24

[Ian.]

 Viljami Sinisalo had a very lovely farewell from the Exeter City crowd yesterday. Sounds like he’s loved there. Some of my friends say he’s been superb. The club also posted a a nice message on social media. He sounds like he’s got a very bright future ahead of him.

[AV84]

I followed some Exeter games at the start of the season to see how he was doing and the fans weren't that happy with his signing initially. Think it was based on a video of "highlights" from his previous loan spell, which by all accounts didn't go well. They had a very good run early on this season, and conceded very few goals for ages. Great to see he obviously won them over.

[Ian.]

He won six awards with them tonight including players player and fans player of the year. Great stuff. 14 cleans as well for them.

https://x.com/officialecfc/status/1784695192093618586?s=46&t=XDFpLxLCLXUUdLEoZEcA2Q

[AV84]

Would it be beneficial to leave him there another season, I wonder, or should we be looking at moving him up a level? Or maybe even bringing him back to Villa.

[dcdavecollett]

My Exeter-supporting mate has been fulsome in his praise of Viljami all season.

I imagine he'll go to a championship club as the next step.

[Ian.]

Exeter would love him to stay that’s for sure, however I reckon we’ll step up his career with a move to the 2nd division as Dave said above.

[Smithy]

Ironically, with goalkeepers, do we want them going to a slightly worse team, one that will have to do a lot of defending, and therefore give them far more experience during their time there?  Or does it not matter?  It feels counter-intuitive to send them to a side not expecting to do that well, but would it be better for thier long-term development?

I imagine a goalkeeper at the top of League One does about half the amount of actual goalkeeping done by a keeper at the bottom of League One?

[Dante Lavelli]

Ironically, with goalkeepers, do we want them going to a slightly worse team, one that will have to do a lot of defending, and therefore give them far more experience during their time there?  Or does it not matter?  It feels counter-intuitive to send them to a side not expecting to do that well, but would it be better for thier long-term development?

I imagine a goalkeeper at the top of League One does about half the amount of actual goalkeeping done by a keeper at the bottom of League One?

Martinez was encouraged by the manager (would that have been Emery?) and chose to go on loan to Oxford United for that very reason.

[Dave]

Ironically, with goalkeepers, do we want them going to a slightly worse team, one that will have to do a lot of defending, and therefore give them far more experience during their time there?  Or does it not matter?  It feels counter-intuitive to send them to a side not expecting to do that well, but would it be better for thier long-term development?

I imagine a goalkeeper at the top of League One does about half the amount of actual goalkeeping done by a keeper at the bottom of League One?

Martinez was encouraged by the manager (would that have been Emery?) and chose to go on loan to Oxford United for that very reason.

Nah, Wenger still had nearly half a decade at Arsenal after Emi had his time at Oxford.

[johnc]

Ironically, with goalkeepers, do we want them going to a slightly worse team, one that will have to do a lot of defending, and therefore give them far more experience during their time there?  Or does it not matter?  It feels counter-intuitive to send them to a side not expecting to do that well, but would it be better for thier long-term development?

I imagine a goalkeeper at the top of League One does about half the amount of actual goalkeeping done by a keeper at the bottom of League One?

Its a fine line. You dont want their nerves to be shot through after a season at the foot of the league.

[OCD]

The flip side is that if you sent him to a good side then we can see whether he can go through quiet spells and then make important saves when called upon.

The main thing is probably sending him somewhere that plays out from the back to make sure he's comfortable with the ball at his feet, which has become such an important part of modern day football.

[AV82EC]

The keeper being able to play with your feet is so critical in the modern game esp at elite level. You’d have to say there are more and more teams who realise the benefits of playing out from the back but how prevalent is it even in the Championship?

[pablo_picasso]

Ironically, with goalkeepers, do we want them going to a slightly worse team, one that will have to do a lot of defending, and therefore give them far more experience during their time there?  Or does it not matter?  It feels counter-intuitive to send them to a side not expecting to do that well, but would it be better for thier long-term development?

I imagine a goalkeeper at the top of League One does about half the amount of actual goalkeeping done by a keeper at the bottom of League One?

Plenty of action is a positive thing when developing, although sometimes periods of quiet are welcome because you want to know if a player can keep his wits about him when he is suddenly called into action after doing fuck all for 89 mins...

Edit;- Sorry OCD, I didn't see your comment saying similar to my own thoughts before I posted it. But, if its not a 100% accurate representation, I agree with you. 😂 And I agree on the feet thing too. Good point.

[Luffbralion]

I went to Grimsby v Salford last August (after exploring the Lincolnshire coast) and whilst the Mariners were happy to thump the ball towards the North Sea, Salford regularly tried to play out from the back.

[OCD]

Ironically, with goalkeepers, do we want them going to a slightly worse team, one that will have to do a lot of defending, and therefore give them far more experience during their time there?  Or does it not matter?  It feels counter-intuitive to send them to a side not expecting to do that well, but would it be better for thier long-term development?

I imagine a goalkeeper at the top of League One does about half the amount of actual goalkeeping done by a keeper at the bottom of League One?

Plenty of action is a positive thing when developing, although sometimes periods of quiet are welcome because you want to know if a player can keep his wits about him when he is suddenly called into action after doing fuck all for 89 mins...

Edit;- Sorry OCD, I didn't see your comment saying similar to my own thoughts before I posted it. But, if its not a 100% accurate representation, I agree with you. 😂 And I agree on the feet thing too. Good point.

No problem, I wasn't sure how to put it so good to see it put another way.