Kits 23/24

[paul_e]

I have no issue with the flag.
I have some issues with the flag popping up everywhere when England win a game at the world cup/euros.
I have lots of issues with many of the people who feel the need to display the flag all the time.

[Simon Page]

Isn't overt flag-shagging new (and affected) English? We used to look down on those who needed to put a flag on everything, whether it's the colony over the pond, Herr Hitler's excitable chaps or those ratlike reds with their badly drawn implements of manual labour.

British is a higher state of being.

[Sexual Ealing]

Isn't overt flag-shagging new (and affected) English? We used to look down on those who needed to put a flag on everything, whether it's the colony over the pond, Herr Hitler's excitable chaps or those ratlike reds with their badly drawn implements of manual labour.

British is a higher state of being.

Everywhere I've lived outside the UK is mad for their flag. There are two cranes on  a building site outside my window right now displaying Bulgarian flags. As a guest in the country, I don't say what I think, which is that it has severe small-dick energy, as it does wherever it's done.

[Monty]

Honestly, it's just got to do with state-building and nation-building, a process the English by and large got done by the 9th century.

[Simon Page]

I've never got used to the US and its stars and stripes on everything tiny appendage-ness. File with "it says so in the bible", registering your political dogma and constitutional rights. Some lovely - if not quite Scotch lovely - scenery though.

[stubbsyandy]

Could live with this as our shirt next season. With the current round badge it would be close to perfect.

I like that alot. I just hope villa fans are not gonna start moaning that we are promoting sugary drinks.  We all know cokes not good for you but you have thw choice not to drink it.

Gambling understandable and im board with the protests on that
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Villa fans moan? Heaven forbid

[pauliewalnuts]

Why do England have blue in their kits? The last time I looked the St George’s Cross doesn’t have blue in it.

I guess back in the late 19th century, there wasn't the 'marketing' that you get now. Apparently the first kits England played in were cricket whites, which is why the tops were white. I think back then, possibly even more than now, England and the United Kingdom were seen as more or less the same thing, so English people were far more likely than those in Scotland and Wales to use the Union Jack.

Wasn't there usually way more Union flags at England games than St George's Cross ones until relatively recently? Or at least as many. As you say, English people seemed to view them as interchangeable.

Yes, it is actually really noticeable when you watch old matches.

I saw an Italia 90 documentary recently and it was almost entirely union jacks* rather than crosses of saint george


* pre-warning, before anyone piles in, I don't give a shit if it's only called that when it's on a hovercraft or in a branch of Asda or something, that's what I am calling it.

[Hopadop]

I might rue the day, but what's wrong with calling it the Union Jack? The 'only at sea' thing isn't true is it?

I reckon you see it far more abroad, on clothing etc, than you do in the UK.

[Risso]

I might rue the day, but what's wrong with calling it the Union Jack? The 'only at sea' thing isn't true is it?

Absolutely nothing, and no it isn't. I may have mentioned this before.

[AV82EC]

Honestly, it's just got to do with state-building and nation-building, a process the English by and large got done by the 9th century.

Then pretty much stopped doing for the next 1000+ years. (Well other than telling everyone else how to do it at gunpoint)

[pauliewalnuts]

Honestly, it's just got to do with state-building and nation-building, a process the English by and large got done by the 9th century.

I read this as 'skateboarding'.

[Dogtanian]

The boys modelling the purple;

https://x.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1769749954950521180?s=20

[Bad English]

The boys modelling the purple;

https://x.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1769749954950521180?s=20

It is an international not Kay's catalogue. Tsk!

[tomd2103]

I have no issue with the flag.
I have some issues with the flag popping up everywhere when England win a game at the world cup/euros.
I have lots of issues with many of the people who feel the need to display the flag all the time.

All flags Paul or just English ones?

[chrisw1]

I like the new blue England kit, particularly with the claret and blue trim.  I won't buy it.

As for flags, I'm no monarchist but I do wonder why as a nation we go through so much self-flagellation.  The Dutch, French, Spanish & Germans and pretty much every other nation display their flags proudly, despite many having a colonial past.  The truth is, that whatever our history, England is one of the most cosmopolitan and tolerant countries in the world - in terms of race, religion and sexual orientation.  Of course we still have problems and there's a lot of work to do, but I'm not sure where these utopias are that are so much better than us?

I'm not a flag waver, or displayer.  I'm not that bothered about the England football team.  And I'm not particularly fond of the Royal family - I'm entirely ambivalent and have no interest in the weddings, funerals or coronations.  But I do think that in the scheme of things England is ok.  And I wonder why we hate ourselves so much.