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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Smirker on May 07, 2023, 12:45:13 AM
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Any news?
Still Castore isn't it? The new crest will be used from now and if we still have Cazoo as the sponsor then no reason why these shouldn't be unveiled ASAP.
Usually by now we've seen and heard rumours and leaked photographs but it seems very quiet this year.
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Didn't I read that Cazoo had gone bust?
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Didn't I read that Cazoo had gone bust?
They have had some difficulty but still trading.
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Doesn't the Cazoo deal expire sg the end of the season?
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Liverpool will be wearing their next season’s kit when they play us in a couple of weeks
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Liverpool will be wearing their next season’s kit when they play us in a couple of weeks
At over £75 a throw, they need to try every marketing ploy to shift them
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Liverpool will be wearing their next season’s kit when they play us in a couple of weeks
At over £75 a throw, they need to try every marketing ploy to shift them
Wouldn't mind, but it's rip off of a rip off - they had the same kit in about 1997, which was based on their sixties kit.
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Doesn't the Cazoo deal expire sg the end of the season?
August unveiling it is then. :(
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(https://i.ibb.co/JqCQTR8/IMG-4481.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JqCQTR8)
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This is a nice concept. They’re not claiming it’s the actual one
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(https://i.ibb.co/HK9RmH6/IMG-4482.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HK9RmH6)
This one not so much. And incorrect crest.
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BK8 is the new sponsor isn't it?
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BK8 is the new sponsor isn't it?
They're the sleeve sponsor aren't they?
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BK8 is the new sponsor isn't it?
They're the sleeve sponsor aren't they?
Front of shirt…for next 3 years
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BK8 is the new sponsor isn't it?
They're the sleeve sponsor aren't they?
Front of shirt…for next 3 years
Horrible
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I thought the PL just banned betting sponsors on the front of shirts?
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I thought the PL just banned betting sponsors on the front of shirts?
Comes into effect pretty much at the end of our deal.
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(https://i.ibb.co/JqCQTR8/IMG-4481.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JqCQTR8)
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(https://i.ibb.co/HK9RmH6/IMG-4482.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HK9RmH6)
Unless my eyes aren’t fully focused those just look like an Arsenal and Crystal Palace kit with our badge, one being an incorrect badge to boot.
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(https://i.ibb.co/HK9RmH6/IMG-4482.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HK9RmH6)
This one not so much. And incorrect crest.
Nice
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(https://i.ibb.co/HK9RmH6/IMG-4482.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HK9RmH6)
This one not so much. And incorrect crest.
Nice
I actually like a stripe
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I thought the PL just banned betting sponsors on the front of shirts?
Comes into effect pretty much at the end of our deal.
One last desperate suckle at the golden nipple.
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I thought the PL just banned betting sponsors on the front of shirts?
Comes into effect pretty much at the end of our deal.
One last desperate suckle at the golden nipple.
Literally considering the kinds of advertising associated with our new sponsors
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(https://i.ibb.co/JqCQTR8/IMG-4481.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JqCQTR8)
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(https://i.ibb.co/HK9RmH6/IMG-4482.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HK9RmH6)
Both have the wrong blue - one is too light, the other too dark.
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Both have the wrong blue - one is too light, the other too dark.
Agreed, I like the (darker) claret in the striped version though.
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Both have the wrong blue - one is too light, the other too dark.
Agreed, I like the (darker) claret in the striped version though.
It looks like some hideous Crystal Palace kit.
No ta.
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Both have the wrong blue - one is too light, the other too dark.
Agreed, I like the (darker) claret in the striped version though.
It looks like some hideous Crystal Palace kit.
No ta.
I was referring to having a darker claret in the shirt (e.g. like the Luke kit) rather than the striped design. I would prefer us to stick to a traditional design for the next couple of seasons.
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Club are doing a new crest unveiling/launch media push for last game of the season v Brighton
BK8 will be sponsor until the new gambling laws come into effect - paying us double what Cazoo was
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Someone on Twitter has come up with these beauties!….
https://twitter.com/primetimeperry/status/1655503943768629248?s=61&t=0hDYp8sAC4KCDeo1iQp4OQ
(https://i.ibb.co/nDdB5L3/IMG-0933.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nDdB5L3)
(https://i.ibb.co/6rgZ82G/IMG-0934.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6rgZ82G)
(https://i.ibb.co/HYyL6qS/IMG-0935.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HYyL6qS)
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Christ on a bike
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The white one isn't TOO bad, but the other two???????
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The white one isn't TOO bad, but the other two???????
Why would we want to look like QPR though?
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Just as well it's someone off Twitter.
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The white one isn't TOO bad, but the other two???????
I wouldn't mind the white hooped effort, it's better than this year's away shirt. The home and GK shirts though. :o
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I overheard a conversation on the train to Wolves on Saturday, with two blokes pretty convinced that we are having an adidas kit next season. I would have thought that was pretty unlikely, considering we’ve only had Castore for one year.
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Someone on Twitter has come up with these beauties!….
https://twitter.com/primetimeperry/status/1655503943768629248?s=61&t=0hDYp8sAC4KCDeo1iQp4OQ
(https://i.ibb.co/nDdB5L3/IMG-0933.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nDdB5L3)
(https://i.ibb.co/6rgZ82G/IMG-0934.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6rgZ82G)
(https://i.ibb.co/HYyL6qS/IMG-0935.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HYyL6qS)
The top one is naff Burnley/West Ham.
The middle one is gash QPR.
The last one looks like an African Cup of Nations special edition, which isn't a bad thing in itself, but it just isn't us.
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Bottom one looks like road kill near a toad sanctuary.
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I'm have enough trouble fighting the onset of rotundity without having to draw attention to it with hoops
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The top one is naff Burnley/West Ham.
The middle one is gash QPR.
The last one looks like an African Cup of Nations special edition, which isn't a bad thing in itself, but it just isn't us.
They are awful, aren’t they?
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(https://i.ibb.co/HYyL6qS/IMG-0935.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HYyL6qS)
I really like this one, personally. It's horrible and garish and you can bet your bottom dollar that in 10 years time everybody will want to be wearing it.
I kind of like the idea of adopting of green/black/red as our standard away colours. They've become quite distinctively ours, I think.
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Someone's on Ket by the look of things
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That green one would be OK as a the goalie shirt.
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First thought on seeing the top one was Burnley.
The away short - a variation of this would not be too bad - this seasons blue one is foul.
The green one - fuck no
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Green one looks like an early 90s Peter Schmeichel goalie kit for the Manks.
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They are great! Busy kits are back!
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Like the look of this concept for a third kit off Twitter
(https://i.ibb.co/ncKR3cH/Fvn-Xeh-VWw-AEDBI5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ncKR3cH)
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If it's our 150th Anniversary in 2024, is it in the 23/24 or 24/25 season, and whichever it is should we not have an anniversary kit that replicates an original?
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I overheard a conversation on the train to Wolves on Saturday, with two blokes pretty convinced that we are having an adidas kit next season. I would have thought that was pretty unlikely, considering we’ve only had Castore for one year.
Sawiris is the single largest shareholder in Adidas so I imagine that's the thinking. You would think it would be likely to happen at some point but maybe not yet.
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As soon as they announce Adidas I'm queueing. The only other thing I'd be more excited about is winning the FA cup
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I overheard a conversation on the train to Wolves on Saturday, with two blokes pretty convinced that we are having an adidas kit next season. I would have thought that was pretty unlikely, considering we’ve only had Castore for one year.
Sawiris is the single largest shareholder in Adidas so I imagine that's the thinking. You would think it would be likely to happen at some point but maybe not yet.
Never knew that!
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I'd be inclined to think that Adidas will be some way off. I'd be inclined to see kit manufacturers as not being vastly dissimilar from sponsors - the main pull of making a football team's kit will be to boost their profile. As of such, we're a big enough deal to be *someone's* main client, but probably not Adidas who are really up that top end of the market. I imagine there'll be better money to be made slightly further down the food chain for now.
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I overheard a conversation on the train to Wolves on Saturday, with two blokes pretty convinced that we are having an adidas kit next season. I would have thought that was pretty unlikely, considering we’ve only had Castore for one year.
Sawiris is the single largest shareholder in Adidas so I imagine that's the thinking. You would think it would be likely to happen at some point but maybe not yet.
Never knew that!
It was mentionbed on here that we wouldn't get Adidas because of a potential conflict of interest given Sawiris' shareholding. Not sure if that's the case.
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I overheard a conversation on the train to Wolves on Saturday, with two blokes pretty convinced that we are having an adidas kit next season. I would have thought that was pretty unlikely, considering we’ve only had Castore for one year.
Sawiris is the single largest shareholder in Adidas so I imagine that's the thinking. You would think it would be likely to happen at some point but maybe not yet.
Never knew that!
wouldn't this be illegal due to conflicts of interest?
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If it's our 150th Anniversary in 2024, is it in the 23/24 or 24/25 season, and whichever it is should we not have an anniversary kit that replicates an original?
I was wondering that. I'd say the anniversary kit should be 2024/25 but if we win a trophy next season or with that kit we can say it's in our anniversary season. ;)
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Like the look of this concept for a third kit off Twitter
(https://i.ibb.co/ncKR3cH/Fvn-Xeh-VWw-AEDBI5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ncKR3cH)
Not for me but then I didn't like the 90s Muller kit either.
Red and green should only be seen upon an Irish queen, and never be seen without a colour in between.
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There's not been one I don't hate so far. Awful, every last one of them.
This must be how Risso feels when someone suggests jazz.
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There's not been one I don't hate so far. Awful, every last one of them.
This must be how Risso feels when someone suggests jazz.
Come on, they haven't been that bad.
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Like the look of this concept for a third kit off Twitter
(https://i.ibb.co/ncKR3cH/Fvn-Xeh-VWw-AEDBI5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ncKR3cH)
Yeah I quite like that, it's different yet a bit smart. Fuck I'd love us to use the solo lion on some kits. I will always be a fan of mixing it up though, bring on the bat-shittery. Claret with blue polka dots please. I feel like Vyvyan in The Young Ones when he's playing cricket with most kits... bored, bored, bored. I feel even more sorry for the single colour wankers.
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I overheard a conversation on the train to Wolves on Saturday, with two blokes pretty convinced that we are having an adidas kit next season. I would have thought that was pretty unlikely, considering we’ve only had Castore for one year.
Sawiris is the single largest shareholder in Adidas so I imagine that's the thinking. You would think it would be likely to happen at some point but maybe not yet.
Never knew that!
wouldn't this be illegal due to conflicts of interest?
You mean like Etihad sponsoring Citeh?
I don’t see how Adidas being our kit provider / sponsor is a conflict unless Sawaris was involved in negotiating a deal which was somehow considered not for Fair Value.
I do not believe that he plays an active role in the management of Adidas.
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Like the look of this concept for a third kit off Twitter
(https://i.ibb.co/ncKR3cH/Fvn-Xeh-VWw-AEDBI5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ncKR3cH)
Yeah I quite like that, it's different yet a bit smart. Fuck I'd love us to use the solo lion on some kits. I will always be a fan of mixing it up though, bring on the bat-shittery. Claret with blue polka dots please. I feel like Vyvyan in The Young Ones when he's playing cricket with most kits... bored, bored, bored. I feel even more sorry for the single colour wankers.
Hoping the 150th anniversary kits amount to a kind of 'greatest hits'. Could spread them over 2 seasons, so get 6 kits in. Something like:
2023/24
Home: copy the 1896 double winning 'hoop' kit, last seen 92/93 season
Away: all white with claret pinstripes, c 1982
Third: that red/green/black combo from 1993/94
2024/25
Home: home kit c.1980/81
Away: all black with a big fuck off red lion in the middle (1870s)
Third: 1957 FA Cup final
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But fully agree, I'm down with a bit of batshit crazy. Just the next couple of seasons, I'd be banging on about our long & glorious history.
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Like the look of this concept for a third kit off Twitter
(https://i.ibb.co/ncKR3cH/Fvn-Xeh-VWw-AEDBI5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ncKR3cH)
Yeah I quite like that, it's different yet a bit smart. Fuck I'd love us to use the solo lion on some kits. I will always be a fan of mixing it up though, bring on the bat-shittery. Claret with blue polka dots please. I feel like Vyvyan in The Young Ones when he's playing cricket with most kits... bored, bored, bored. I feel even more sorry for the single colour wankers.
Could maybe do that as the away kit, but with claret sleeves and blue stripe?
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That looks like something O'Neills would make for a Gaelic football team. In 1975. Awful
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It was mentionbed on here that we wouldn't get Adidas because of a potential conflict of interest given Sawiris' shareholding. Not sure if that's the case.
I think it's utter nonsense, personally. He's only got just over 3% pf the shareholding of Adidas and he's not a director. A deal with Villa would be absolutely piddling in their overall business interests (this is a company worth $30bn) and in any case, as long as any deal was done at an arm's length, commercial basis, there wouldn't be a problem.
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It was mentionbed on here that we wouldn't get Adidas because of a potential conflict of interest given Sawiris' shareholding. Not sure if that's the case.
I think it's utter nonsense, personally. He's only got just over 3% pf the shareholding of Adidas and he's not a director. A deal with Villa would be absolutely piddling in their overall business interests (this is a company worth $30bn) and in any case, as long as any deal was done at an arm's length, commercial basis, there wouldn't be a problem.
That's what I thought. Hopefully that's the case as I'm generally a big fan of Adidas kits and we've never had one.
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There can't be another club who have had as many different kit manufacturers as us over the years, and hardly any of them have got the kit out before the summer holiday season.
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Seems odd that we've never had Adidas when we've had just about everybody else.
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I overheard a conversation on the train to Wolves on Saturday, with two blokes pretty convinced that we are having an adidas kit next season. I would have thought that was pretty unlikely, considering we’ve only had Castore for one year.
Sawiris is the single largest shareholder in Adidas so I imagine that's the thinking. You would think it would be likely to happen at some point but maybe not yet.
Never knew that!
wouldn't this be illegal due to conflicts of interest?
Has not hindered the cheaters in Manchester
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Seems odd that we've never had Adidas when we've had just about everybody else.
We've not had Puma, they'd be great too.
Nike, Puma, Adidas, Umbro.
If we want to be a serious club again we need a serious kit manufacturer.
No more League Two brands like Castore, Kappa and fucking Macron.
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Whilst I had never heard of Castore before we signed on with them, and I thought they were a bit 'Mark-One', I bought a few things for football and knocking about the house in and its decent quality, better than the UnderArmour stuff I last bought. But not quite as good as the Nike stuff which I must have had over 10 years now.
And having a UK owned supplier is a positive as well.
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Bring back Henson !
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Seems odd that we've never had Adidas when we've had just about everybody else.
We've not had Puma, they'd be great too.
Nike, Puma, Adidas, Umbro.
If we want to be a serious club again we need a serious kit manufacturer.
I'd be happy any of the Big 4, hopefully it's on the cards when we're back in Europe. Puma seem to veer between gorgeous and awful but I wouldn't mind a version of this season's Borussia Mönchengladbach effort with claret and blue stripes as our away kit.
https://eu.puma.com/ie/en/pd/borussia-monchengladbach-home-22%2F23-replica-jersey-men/765977.html?
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Bring back Henson !
Wasn't any complaints about the badge on their shirts.
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I bought this time around Castore and was afraid they were Kappa sized, but they were too big - so this Castore seem like "normal sized" shirts. xxl Kappa too small, xxl Castore too big.
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Seems odd that we've never had Adidas when we've had just about everybody else.
We've not had Puma, they'd be great too.
Nike, Puma, Adidas, Umbro.
If we want to be a serious club again we need a serious kit manufacturer.
I'd be happy any of the Big 4, hopefully it's on the cards when we're back in Europe. Puma seem to veer between gorgeous and awful but I wouldn't mind a version of this season's Borussia Mönchengladbach effort with claret and blue stripes as our away kit.
https://eu.puma.com/ie/en/pd/borussia-monchengladbach-home-22%2F23-replica-jersey-men/765977.html?
I feel anything with a dominant strip down the centre is all very Palacey
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Seems odd that we've never had Adidas when we've had just about everybody else.
We've not had Puma, they'd be great too.
Nike, Puma, Adidas, Umbro.
If we want to be a serious club again we need a serious kit manufacturer.
I'd be happy any of the Big 4, hopefully it's on the cards when we're back in Europe. Puma seem to veer between gorgeous and awful but I wouldn't mind a version of this season's Borussia Mönchengladbach effort with claret and blue stripes as our away kit.
https://eu.puma.com/ie/en/pd/borussia-monchengladbach-home-22%2F23-replica-jersey-men/765977.html?
That's decent, would be fine as an away kit if you Villafied it.
Its also about the training wear for me. I have got some Dortmund stuff and the quality is spot on and it's really nice.
Any one of these four would be fine by me.
I know the sponsorship is better with shit brands but that must be offset a bit with the amount of people who don't buy the stuff. Decent shit would fly off the shelves.
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I am bang up for some stripes (or polka dots) for a change
Or just random noise
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Seems odd that we've never had Adidas when we've had just about everybody else.
Dont think were allowed to have them now Nas is the sole biggest shareholder (sure its something like that)
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It was mentionbed on here that we wouldn't get Adidas because of a potential conflict of interest given Sawiris' shareholding. Not sure if that's the case.
I think it's utter nonsense, personally. He's only got just over 3% pf the shareholding of Adidas and he's not a director. A deal with Villa would be absolutely piddling in their overall business interests (this is a company worth $30bn) and in any case, as long as any deal was done at an arm's length, commercial basis, there wouldn't be a problem.
Bump.
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Seems odd that we've never had Adidas when we've had just about everybody else.
Dont think were allowed to have them now Nas is the sole biggest shareholder (sure its something like that)
That's not very ITK, Vinnie.
Must do better ;D
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Seems odd that we've never had Adidas when we've had just about everybody else.
Dont think were allowed to have them now Nas is the sole biggest shareholder (sure its something like that)
Mate, I went through that above. It's total bollocks. He isn't the biggest shareholder, he's only got three percent, and it wouldn't matter anyway.
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I am bang up for some stripes (or polka dots) for a change
Or just random noise
Thought you might be.
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(https://i.ibb.co/Lt4GVqK/IMG-4537.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Lt4GVqK)
No claim this is actually the away. A concept based on a Castore template ( Ireland )
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Cant get used to that Lion facing the other way, just looks wrong.
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(https://i.ibb.co/Lt4GVqK/IMG-4537.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Lt4GVqK)
No claim this is actually the away. A concept based on a Castore template ( Ireland )
I'd be quite happy with that.
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Cant get used to that Lion facing the other way, just looks wrong.
Same. I'm sure I'll get used to it, but it's still very strange at the moment.
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Cant get used to that Lion facing the other way, just looks wrong.
Same. I'm sure I'll get used to it, but it's still very strange at the moment.
Wait till you are at a game with new and old badges on display.
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No claim this is actually the away. A concept based on a Castore template ( Ireland )
I'd be quite happy with that.
Yes, it's fine (as are both the Ireland ones) but the incomplete V on the neck irritates me.
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Cant get used to that Lion facing the other way, just looks wrong.
Same. I'm sure I'll get used to it, but it's still very strange at the moment.
Wait till you are at a game with new and old badges on display.
I hadn't even thought of that...
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(https://i.ibb.co/Lt4GVqK/IMG-4537.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Lt4GVqK)
No claim this is actually the away. A concept based on a Castore template ( Ireland )
I like it.
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(https://i.ibb.co/Lt4GVqK/IMG-4537.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Lt4GVqK)
No claim this is actually the away. A concept based on a Castore template ( Ireland )
See how much better this looks without the Lerner badge on it.
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No claim this is actually the away. A concept based on a Castore template ( Ireland )
I'd be quite happy with that.
Yes, it's fine (as are both the Ireland ones) but the incomplete V on the neck irritates me.
I hate the incomplete V look on any shirt, it just looks 'cheap' to me.
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(https://i.ibb.co/Lt4GVqK/IMG-4537.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Lt4GVqK)
No claim this is actually the away. A concept based on a Castore template ( Ireland )
See how much better this looks without the Lerner badge on it.
I've been indifferent to the new badge, but it looks great in that context. Not to mention that it shits all over the current effort.
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Maybe with the new lion embossed in...
(https://i.ibb.co/J36F4yv/awaykit.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J36F4yv)
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This is just the Ireland kit photoshopped, so very unlikely to be ours.
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I would like us to have an away kit that is not based on 1982 when we next win the FA Cup or the league.
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(https://i.ibb.co/TmjRWKV/hv1.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/dkR1hMW/hv2.jpg)
My go at a new kit for next season.
Based on the Henson one from the 80s. Tried to do something a bit different but not too hectic.
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You should forward it to West Ham!
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You should forward it to West Ham!
8)
150 anniversary for next year:
(https://i.ibb.co/dPH8rwf/hv3.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/nmndgjw/hv4.jpg)
http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Aston_Villa/Aston_Villa.htm
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My go at a new kit for next season.
Based on the Henson one from the 80s. Tried to do something a bit different but not too hectic.
I'm not sure what your day job is but even if it's serial killer, don't give it up.
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My go at a new kit for next season.
Based on the Henson one from the 80s. Tried to do something a bit different but not too hectic.
I'm not sure what your day job is but even if it's serial killer, don't give it up.
I'll put you down as a 'it'll do', then?
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My go at a new kit for next season.
Based on the Henson one from the 80s. Tried to do something a bit different but not too hectic.
I'm not sure what your day job is but even if it's serial killer, don't give it up.
I'll put you down as a 'it'll do', then?
:)
The 150th one's not bad apart from the royal blue socks and the overly large lion.
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My go at a new kit for next season.
Based on the Henson one from the 80s. Tried to do something a bit different but not too hectic.
I'm not sure what your day job is but even if it's serial killer, don't give it up.
I'll put you down as a 'it'll do', then?
It wasn’t a No 🤔
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It's a no from me.
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Sorry Smirker, one looks like a typical shit Hammers shirt the other looks like a garden gnomes pyjamas!
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OK lads I have gone with a groundbreaking design here.
Be brutal!
(https://i.ibb.co/vD5LpHg/hv5.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/55dL57t/hv6.jpg)
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The sponsor aside I like that. Simple clean design
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Reminds me a bit of the dafabet kit.
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OK lads I have gone with a groundbreaking design here.
Be brutal!
(https://i.ibb.co/vD5LpHg/hv5.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/55dL57t/hv6.jpg)
I appreciate the non-standard 'claret body, blue sleeves, nothing else should ever happen' attempts anyway, Smirker. I do prefer this one though.
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Thank you Satsuma.
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OK lads I have gone with a groundbreaking design here.
Be brutal!
(https://i.ibb.co/vD5LpHg/hv5.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/55dL57t/hv6.jpg)
Not bad at all. We've had plenty worse.
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It's ok, mate!
Have never been a massive fan of the blue down the sides thing. Reminds me of a Macron kit we had under Lambert.
And the 81-82 home shirt? Which isn't a bad thing :D
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I think it would be improved by having the shoulders claret rather than blue.
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Is that what the logo will look like? Don't mind the white BK8 part but the swirl and crown make it look like a Burger King promo.
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Not for me it looks like the Macron kit of 2013-14.
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I've done it.
(https://i.ibb.co/yFSD3nq/hv7.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/CBq345x/hv8.jpg)
The triangle graphic on the shorts/lower shirt is to represent the Balti Triangle.
This one is 10/10.
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It's purple!
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Aston Villa's official website is now offering 65% off Kits.
Where do most people purchase their jersey and other Villa Items and do you like to go for the latest and greatest?
So is that confirmed there will be a different sponsor and a different kit next season?
That Carzoo is not a favourite of mine yet have 4 Jersey shirts brandishing their name.
3 kappa and 1 castore.
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Aston Villa's official website is now offering 65% off Kits.
Where do most people purchase their jersey and other Villa Items and do you like to go for the latest and greatest?
So is that confirmed there will be a different sponsor and a different kit next season?
That Carzoo is not a favourite of mine yet have 4 Jersey shirts brandishing their name.
3 kappa and 1 castore.
Classic Football Shirts or the club shop.
But I didn't get any this season because I don't like Castore.
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If you want a cheap shirt, here's a price deal alert, that's Castore...
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I've done it.
(https://i.ibb.co/yFSD3nq/hv7.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/CBq345x/hv8.jpg)
The triangle graphic on the shorts/lower shirt is to represent the Balti Triangle.
This one is 10/10.
Design is superb Smirker. Just needs to be claret.
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"That's a beautiful dress darling; you just need to lose 4kg off that arse."
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It's purple!
Cerise ?
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It's purple!
Cerise ?
Yes, it's definitely got a hint of pink in it, similar ro the NTL abomination in 2000-01 (which was made even worse by the garish sponsor's logo).
I prefer a darker claret, the colour in the updated '1982' shirt above is much better.
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I see Man City and Liverpool’ s shirts for next season are already on sale.
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I noticed that in Sports Direct in Stratford Upon Avon that there was a lot more Villa merchandise than previously, all be it on sale, but more exposure at least
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I noticed that in Sports Direct in Stratford Upon Avon that there was a lot more Villa merchandise than previously, all be it on sale, but more exposure at least
Getting ready for the tourist season
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I noticed that in Sports Direct in Stratford Upon Avon that there was a lot more Villa merchandise than previously, all be it on sale, but more exposure at least
It's the same at the one in One Stop at Perry Barr and has been for a few months now. I've never really seen any Villa kit sold in there before, despite it practically being on the doorstep of Villa Park.
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There was Villa home and away shirts on sale in Liverpool One the other week. I covered up the Man United tops next to them. Petty at 36 as I was at 11 with that habit.
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I noticed that in Sports Direct in Stratford Upon Avon that there was a lot more Villa merchandise than previously, all be it on sale, but more exposure at least
Getting ready for the tourist season
we have them all year round bless them
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I guess we have to wait yet another season (for various reasons) to see the new strip being worn at the last home game of the previous season.
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Just seen a thank you email from Cazoo so I guess over next day or so the scumbag betting firm will be announced as shirt sponsor.
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Just seen a thank you email from Cazoo so I guess over next day or so the scumbag betting firm will be announced as shirt sponsor.
Yes, quite a nice gesture and words from a departing sponsor, I don’t recall it happening before.
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The wetter the shirts got in the late seventies/ early eighties, the better the claret looked
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Yes, quite a nice gesture and words from a departing sponsor, I don’t recall it happening before.
I thought that too. I realise it's a 'marketing' email but I quite liked the tone of it.
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Any ideas on away mock ups for next year ?
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Cazoo’s valuation currently about that of Leon Bailey.
No wonder they’re not renewing. So much money burned there.
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Any ideas on away mock ups for next year ?
No but I can have a go if you want. I guess the away will be dark coloured and the third will be light.
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I want a third kit that evokes memories of Jorge Campos, mate!
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Yes, quite a nice gesture and words from a departing sponsor, I don’t recall it happening before.
I thought that too. I realise it's a 'marketing' email but I quite liked the tone of it.
What did the lovely lads say?
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Yes, quite a nice gesture and words from a departing sponsor, I don’t recall it happening before.
I thought that too. I realise it's a 'marketing' email but I quite liked the tone of it.
What did the lovely lads say?
"A special thank you from Cazoo!
We’ve been incredibly honoured to be the principal partner and shirt sponsor of Aston Villa for the past three seasons. It’s been a pleasure to watch the team grow and see some fantastic results both on and off the pitch.
A particular highlight of our partnership has been our work with the Aston Villa Foundation, the club’s official charity. Over the past three years, through various initiatives including our Golden Goals donations, we have to date raised over £126,000. Not only that, we’ve donated various experiences, such as mascot packages, box hospitality and pitch access which has allowed the Foundation to reward those within the community who deserve it the most.
After a fantastic three seasons with Aston Villa, everyone at Cazoo is looking forward to watching the team climb even further up the league table next season and wish the team and fans all the best.
Up the Villa!!"
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Bless. Especially as they've probably wecked themselves financially and I'm not sure we helped much with that.
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I don’t think we’d have had much impact in terms of what they spent on us, the amount of money they’ve burned through is enormous.
I read an article a while back on them and why they were, in the author’s opinion, never going to make money. The margins on car sales for them were only ever going to be microscopic at very best.
Valuation down from $7bn to $80m and in the process of getting delisted from the NYSE.
Looks like the curse of the Villa sponsor is alive and kicking.
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Can we not be sponsored by the Conservative Party next?
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Can we not be sponsored by the Conservative Party next?
Or RHCP
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Can we not be sponsored by the Conservative Party next?
Or RHCP
Yes, both have caused me as much pain in different ways
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Away, inspired by the 1996 dark blue away shirt:
(https://i.ibb.co/QKfJQVW/hv9.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/fvy4j8W/hv10.jpg)
Third, featuring just the standalone lion:
(https://i.ibb.co/ZJvD9H8/hv11.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/8rNKg5m/hv12.jpg)
For Axl, the special 'Tropical' shirt, for use in European away games and to mark the return of European football. The tropical theme and beach shorts are to signify that Villa are going abroad once again and the fans are on tour 8)
(https://i.ibb.co/fCQq9DQ/hv13.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/CpyPBFV/hv14.jpg)
I've nailed it this time lads come on.
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i am tripping with the last one
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I think it's bost my monitor
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That last one is epic. 10/10, would buy.
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Not too fond of the first two (was never a fan of the dark blue strip, and think we've done white away strips to death now).
However, that third kit .... I'd be all over that. 10/10, more.
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Best 3 I've seen so far
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I like the white one, the other two are horrible
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Is it the fact that I am colourblind or is that third shirt painful on the eyes to look at?
I want a third kit that evokes memories of Jorge Campos, mate!
Fifteen times oversized too... 😂
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I think it's bost my monitor
It's a lovely shade of yellow though.
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I like all those. Bright turquoise-y colour and pink, that's what you want to see.
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Thanks lads. I really wanted it to feel tropical. I was going to put a palm tree pattern or similar on it but couldn't find one.
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You should forward it to West Ham!
8)
150 anniversary for next year:
(https://i.ibb.co/dPH8rwf/hv3.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/nmndgjw/hv4.jpg)
http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Aston_Villa/Aston_Villa.htm
I'd love this :)
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As far as i am aware, the club are doing the new badge launch sunday. Would be logical to tease the new kit as well surely
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As far as i am aware, the club are doing the new badge launch sunday. Would be logical to tease the new kit as well surely
I really hope so Vinnie I can't to see the new kit.
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Re: the standalone lion - I think we'll need to be consistent with our branding.
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Despite Smirker's best efforts, I don't think any kit sponsored by Don Amott is going to look good.
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https://www.footyheadlines.com/2023/06/newcastle-united-23-24-home-kit.html?m=1
https://www.footyheadlines.com/2023/06/rangers-23-24-home-kit.html?m=1
Castore are going all 80s retro for the Newcastle and Rangers kits.
I'll try something later based off these.
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Those retro necks really don’t suit me, did they think of that? No. >:(
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Is it definitely no cazoo sponsorship then?
And a new dealership announced with new badge and new kits
All change! Rather exciting.
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Is it definitely no cazoo sponsorship then?
And a new dealership announced with new badge and new kits
All change! Rather exciting.
Definitely not Cazoo.
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Castore are going all 80s retro for the Newcastle and Rangers kits.
I'll try something later based off these.
With Cazoo, you can't.
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https://www.footyheadlines.com/2023/06/newcastle-united-23-24-home-kit.html?m=1
https://www.footyheadlines.com/2023/06/rangers-23-24-home-kit.html?m=1
Castore are going all 80s retro for the Newcastle and Rangers kits.
I'll try something later based off these.
Interesting that SELA is a Saudi state funded enterprise. Probably through same fund that owns NU but there is no impropriety here.
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https://www.footyheadlines.com/2023/06/newcastle-united-23-24-home-kit.html?m=1
https://www.footyheadlines.com/2023/06/rangers-23-24-home-kit.html?m=1
Castore are going all 80s retro for the Newcastle and Rangers kits.
The Newcastle design looks nice and clean but the sponsor's logo is a mess.
I don't like the "Rangers" shirt at all (hopefully no pinstripes on ours) as I think it looks cheap. Their fans love it in the main, with some saying it's their best in years. Quite a few think the pro version is noticeably better quality which at £115, it should be. Like the Newcastle shirt, the pro version features 4 ventilation holes in the armpits. The "Rangers" ones are bright red and some fans were wondering if they were meant to be poppies. :D
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https://www.footyheadlines.com/2023/06/newcastle-united-23-24-home-kit.html?m=1
https://www.footyheadlines.com/2023/06/rangers-23-24-home-kit.html?m=1
Castore are going all 80s retro for the Newcastle and Rangers kits.
I'll try something later based off these.
Interesting that SELA is a Saudi state funded enterprise. Probably through same fund that owns NU but there is no impropriety here.
Apparently it's worth 25m per year, up from 6.5m under the expiring deal. However, as they are in CL I read that's it's likely to pass scrutiny on market value.
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If this is true, it’s not too bad.
(https://i.ibb.co/YZzcsDR/6594-F96-A-9666-4-AFA-B776-002980-BEBEF1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YZzcsDR)
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I really hope the person wearing it isn't who I think it is, but the shirt's a belter.
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Uh oh. That can’t be can it?
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Is that by KitGPT?
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Well the sponsor's not going to be Cazoo for a start.
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Is that by KitGPT?
No, KitGPT would at least be semi-convincing.
However it does highlight that claret and blue will need to be quite a bit darker than on some previous shirts, otherwise the new badge will clash with it.
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I just hope that it’s nothing like that abomination that Spam wore, fancy your biggest trophy in decades and doing it in that kit.
The Burnley one was even worse.
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I just hope that it’s nothing like that abomination that Spam wore, fancy your biggest trophy in decades and doing it in that kit.
The Burnley one was even worse.
I assume that, given we're going into our 150th anniversary year, the next two home kits will follow the traditional 'claret body, blue sleeves' template.
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Surprised we’ve not heard anything about the 150th thing.
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https://www.footyheadlines.com/2023/06/newcastle-united-23-24-home-kit.html?m=1
https://www.footyheadlines.com/2023/06/rangers-23-24-home-kit.html?m=1
Castore are going all 80s retro for the Newcastle and Rangers kits.
I'll try something later based off these.
Newcastles sponsor, not only should be stopped because its their owners sponsoring their own club, but also because it looks fucking dreadful.
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Uh oh. That can’t be can it?
Its not. It's a Photoshop.
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Surprised we’ve not heard anything about the 150th thing.
Isn’t our ‘birthday’ in November 1874 so would it be the season after?
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Surprised we’ve not heard anything about the 150th thing.
Isn’t our ‘birthday’ in November 1874 so would it be the season after?
More than likely 2024-25 will see the full Hollywood version of history being celebrated.
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Surprised we’ve not heard anything about the 150th thing.
Isn’t our ‘birthday’ in November 1874 so would it be the season after?
Was it March or November 1874? Either way I think 2024-25 would be more apt, as Dave points out.
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As a November baby and people lazily adding an extra number to my age for most of the year, I'm on-board with 2024/25.
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For 150, I want a retro kit. Proper retro, no sponsor, no names on the back and very long shorts like trousers.
One match at VP should be played with a brown leather ball with the stitching on it.
Free top hats given out to supporters.
The team comes out to Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake music (came out in the 1870s so everyone back then would have been bopping their heads to it).
What food could be served at half time?
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For 150, I want a retro kit. Proper retro, no sponsor, no names on the back and very long shorts like trousers.
One match at VP should be played with a brown leather ball with the stitching on it.
Free top hats given out to supporters.
The team comes out to Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake music (came out in the 1870s so everyone back then would have been bopping their heads to it).
What food could be served at half time?
We should also play our home games in Perry Barr.
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For 150, I want a retro kit. Proper retro, no sponsor, no names on the back and very long shorts like trousers.
One match at VP should be played with a brown leather ball with the stitching on it.
Free top hats given out to supporters.
The team comes out to Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake music (came out in the 1870s so everyone back then would have been bopping their heads to it).
What food could be served at half time?
!/2 an orange....
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What food could be served at half time?
Maybe some 1870s food wouldn't be a bad thing.
According to a study published in the Royal Society of Medicine, "How the Mid-Victorians Worked, Ate and Died", the combination of enormous amounts of physical activity (most people did physically demanding jobs which meant they were active for 50 to 60 hours a week) and a diet rich in fruits, whole grains, oily fish and vegetables meant that Victorians suffered less from chronic, degenerative diseases than we do.
Dr Paul Clayton, one of the authors of the study, claims that they were "90% less likely to develop cancer, dementia and coronary artery disease than we are today". It certainly meant that diseases like type-2 diabetes, which plague modern society, were vanishingly rare.
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What food could be served at half time?
Maybe some 1870s food wouldn't be a bad thing.
According to a study published in the Royal Society of Medicine, "How the Mid-Victorians Worked, Ate and Died", the combination of enormous amounts of physical activity (most people did physically demanding jobs which meant they were active for 50 to 60 hours a week) and a diet rich in fruits, whole grains, oily fish and vegetables meant that Victorians suffered less from chronic, degenerative diseases than we do.
Dr Paul Clayton, one of the authors of the study, claims that they were "90% less likely to develop cancer, dementia and coronary artery disease than we are today". It certainly meant that diseases like type-2 diabetes, which plague modern society, were vanishingly rare.
Doesn't the massively lower life expectancy back then rather undermine claims like 'there was less dementia'? Most people didn't live long enough to see if they developed it.
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Doesn't the massively lower life expectancy back then rather undermine claims like 'there was less dementia'? Most people didn't live long enough to see if they developed it.
That's what I've always thought, but the Royal Society of Medicine likely know more about it than a couple of blokes on H&V.
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Doesn't the massively lower life expectancy back then rather undermine claims like 'there was less dementia'? Most people didn't live long enough to see if they developed it.
That's what I've always thought, but the Royal Society of Medicine likely know more about it than a couple of blokes on H&V.
I'm sure. And I hope so, as I'm unreasonably proud of my peasant-chic diet (you've got to hold on to what you've got). And I've seen other stuff about these diets helping with degenerative whatnot. It's just...yeah, there's the whole life-expectancy thing.
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Now that Emery is here I’m planning on improving my lifestyle so I can stick around a bit longer to enjoy the good times. I figured had we kept Gerrard or appointed Dyche or Allardyce I’d be eating as many burgers, smoking as many fags and consuming as much chocolate and ice cream to ensure I don’t live to see much more of us. Between that diet and the football it should finish me off quickly.
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What food could be served at half time?
Maybe some 1870s food wouldn't be a bad thing.
According to a study published in the Royal Society of Medicine, "How the Mid-Victorians Worked, Ate and Died", the combination of enormous amounts of physical activity (most people did physically demanding jobs which meant they were active for 50 to 60 hours a week) and a diet rich in fruits, whole grains, oily fish and vegetables meant that Victorians suffered less from chronic, degenerative diseases than we do.
Dr Paul Clayton, one of the authors of the study, claims that they were "90% less likely to develop cancer, dementia and coronary artery disease than we are today". It certainly meant that diseases like type-2 diabetes, which plague modern society, were vanishingly rare.
Doesn't the massively lower life expectancy back then rather undermine claims like 'there was less dementia'? Most people didn't live long enough to see if they developed it.
The pedantic answer is it makes the claim more plausible. Would be interesting to know how much influence each factor has though.
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New dogheads kit looks a lot like the Rangers and Newcastle ones. Clean design. Good chance our will be similar
(https://i.ibb.co/fN131rv/IMG-7598.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fN131rv)
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If this is true, it’s not too bad.
(https://i.ibb.co/YZzcsDR/6594-F96-A-9666-4-AFA-B776-002980-BEBEF1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YZzcsDR)
Aside from the bell end in it yeh it’s nice
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New dogheads kit looks a lot like the Rangers and Newcastle ones. Clean design. Good chance our will be similar
(https://i.ibb.co/fN131rv/IMG-7598.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fN131rv)
Quite nice tbh.
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Seem that castore have a template that all their clubs have to use.
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What food could be served at half time?
Maybe some 1870s food wouldn't be a bad thing.
According to a study published in the Royal Society of Medicine, "How the Mid-Victorians Worked, Ate and Died", the combination of enormous amounts of physical activity (most people did physically demanding jobs which meant they were active for 50 to 60 hours a week) and a diet rich in fruits, whole grains, oily fish and vegetables meant that Victorians suffered less from chronic, degenerative diseases than we do.
Dr Paul Clayton, one of the authors of the study, claims that they were "90% less likely to develop cancer, dementia and coronary artery disease than we are today". It certainly meant that diseases like type-2 diabetes, which plague modern society, were vanishingly rare.
Doesn't the massively lower life expectancy back then rather undermine claims like 'there was less dementia'? Most people didn't live long enough to see if they developed it.
The pedantic answer is it makes the claim more plausible. Would be interesting to know how much influence each factor has though.
Isn't the lower life expectancy average due to higher death rates at birth and infancy but once you got passed 5 for instance (can't remember the exact age) they actually used to live quite long? I think that applies much further back as well.
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If this is true, it’s not too bad.
(https://i.ibb.co/YZzcsDR/6594-F96-A-9666-4-AFA-B776-002980-BEBEF1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YZzcsDR)
Aside from the bell end in it yeh it’s nice
Our 1995-96 kit was first publicised with the old Muller sponsor on the front so I am hanging on to this as a reason to think this beaut may well be the actual new kit!
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I really hope We are not interested in that cock end
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Seem that castore have a template that all their clubs have to use.
I remember us moaning about this when everyone was excited that we had landed Nike back in 2007(?).
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Without sounding too negative, we are already late to the party with the launch. Seems like we are always playing catch up with the release and then, subsequently getting hold of the actual kits.
Would be nice to be the first team to release the new kit for a change.
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I know this has been discussed before, but why is it that we never release our kit earlier in the summer? I appreciate that the clubs who sell the most shirts get priority with manufacturers, but surely they have capacity to deal with us as well? Do clubs who sell fewer shirts just use templates, and this is why they are able to release theirs earlier?
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In the 90s we were quite efficient with new kits, especially the mid 90s, Collymore signing in May '97 wearing the new away kit springs to mind. In May 2001 against Coventry we even wore our new kit for 2001-2002 in the last home game (the day we relegated them).
This all seems to be a Lerner era thing for some reason. I wonder did we get offered more money by Nike to keep the kits longer and it just sort of got us into this crap cycle we can't get out of?
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Wouldn’t it have been in Nikes interest for us to keep kit for a shorter period of time ?
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I am only guessing as I associate the 'late villa kit' with that era.
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In the 90s we were quite efficient with new kits, especially the mid 90s, Collymore signing in May '97 wearing the new away kit springs to mind. In May 2001 against Coventry we even wore our new kit for 2001-2002 in the last home game (the day we relegated them).
This all seems to be a Lerner era thing for some reason. I wonder did we get offered more money by Nike to keep the kits longer and it just sort of got us into this crap cycle we can't get out of?
Maybe its something to do with contract dates?
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My daughter wants to go to the Villa shop for her birthday. (June 14th). On one hand I’m happy that it will be full of sale items, on the other I don’t want her being upset when the new kit comes out just a few weeks later.
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My daughter wants to go to the Villa shop for her birthday. (June 14th). On one hand I’m happy that it will be full of sale items, on the other I don’t want her being upset when the new kit comes out just a few weeks later.
There are some restrictions around parking because of next weeks gigs so I'd check first. I think the shop is still open and 14th isn't a concert day.
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In the 90s we were quite efficient with new kits, especially the mid 90s, Collymore signing in May '97 wearing the new away kit springs to mind. In May 2001 against Coventry we even wore our new kit for 2001-2002 in the last home game (the day we relegated them).
This all seems to be a Lerner era thing for some reason. I wonder did we get offered more money by Nike to keep the kits longer and it just sort of got us into this crap cycle we can't get out of?
Wasn't there one year in the 90's where the kit wasn't available to buy until October? Sure it was 98/99. Or have I made that up?
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If this is true, it’s not too bad.
(https://i.ibb.co/YZzcsDR/6594-F96-A-9666-4-AFA-B776-002980-BEBEF1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YZzcsDR)
Aside from the bell end in it yeh it’s nice
Our 1995-96 kit was first publicised with the old Muller sponsor on the front so I am hanging on to this as a reason to think this beaut may well be the actual new kit!
I really like this one , one of the best away kits concept I’ve seen in a long time -
I just can’t get excited regarding Castore and their imagination looking at NUFC etc
(https://i.ibb.co/54VqSwS/IMG-0572.jpg) (https://ibb.co/54VqSwS)
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If this was Nike or Adidas they would be doing the exact same. We would have a bog standard design that they would be rolling out to 20 other clubs.
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Apart from that year when they phoned it in (the FX Pro one sub was horrible) at least the Nike kits looked nice.
If we just get minimum effort whatever Newcastle and wolves get except different colours it’d be underwhelming to say the least.
Although the only one I actually bought and wear is the 1980 away shirt replica which Umbro put out a couple of years ago. Really decent quality and very nice shirt.
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The best Nike still for me anyway, is the Acorns set. Lovely simple designs, colours and quality.
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I liked the FX Pro one with the chequers up the sides. Both the home and the black one!
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That Acorns white away kit. Very smart.
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I liked the FX Pro one with the chequers up the sides. Both the home and the black one!
That was the year it wasn't available to buy until October/November I think.
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This is the sort of thing (kit availability) Chris Heck will be sorting out, I hope.
Obviously as well as being our Chief North American Scout.
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My daughter wants to go to the Villa shop for her birthday. (June 14th). On one hand I’m happy that it will be full of sale items, on the other I don’t want her being upset when the new kit comes out just a few weeks later.
It will all be the old (current) badge too. Happy Birthday to her though, same day as mine.
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That Acorns white away kit. Very smart.
I loved that shirt, home and away was smart.
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I liked the FX Pro one with the chequers up the sides. Both the home and the black one!
I really liked the black away one. As TV mentions, the Nike Acorns shirts were nice and probably the best we'd had since the Diadora Rover kit in 2002/03.
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My daughter wants to go to the Villa shop for her birthday. (June 14th). On one hand I’m happy that it will be full of sale items, on the other I don’t want her being upset when the new kit comes out just a few weeks later.
There are some restrictions around parking because of next weeks gigs so I'd check first. I think the shop is still open and 14th isn't a concert day.
Thanks Nev.
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The acorns shirts were special due to the acorns gesture.
Its just a shame about the crest.
The new crest on that shirt would be wonderful...
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The acorns shirts were special due to the acorns gesture.
Its just a shame about the crest.
The new crest on that shirt would be wonderful...
Agree that's why I don't like them. The actual shirts are fine for the most part but ruined by Lerner's shit badge.
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I liked the FX Pro one with the chequers up the sides. Both the home and the black one!
I really liked the black away one. As TV mentions, the Nike Acorns shirts were nice and probably the best we'd had since the Diadora Rover kit in 2002/03.
Me too, BV. I have that in long sleeve with Makoun on the back!
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I liked the FX Pro one with the chequers up the sides. Both the home and the black one!
I really liked the black away one. As TV mentions, the Nike Acorns shirts were nice and probably the best we'd had since the Diadora Rover kit in 2002/03.
Me too, BV. I have that in long sleeve with Makoun on the back!
I got a white long sleeve Acorns Milner, and a black long sleeve FxPro Albrighton.
I would pay over the top to have a long sleeve option again, but it looks like it’s been eradicated across all clubs and kit makers.
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At the time, my parents sent me over the UA home shirt and long-sleeve training top and the quality of the shirts is far superior to anything else I have. It would be nice to see similar quality again with the new kit and training gear, just never again made by UA.
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I liked the FX Pro one with the chequers up the sides. Both the home and the black one!
Castore made some for Rangers, I believe.
I could well be wrong, though.
I really liked the black away one. As TV mentions, the Nike Acorns shirts were nice and probably the best we'd had since the Diadora Rover kit in 2002/03.
Me too, BV. I have that in long sleeve with Makoun on the back!
I got a white long sleeve Acorns Milner, and a black long sleeve FxPro Albrighton.
I would pay over the top to have a long sleeve option again, but it looks like it’s been eradicated across all clubs and kit makers.
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I was talking to someone about long sleeved shirts not being available anymore. We came to the conclusion that it's because payers wear base layers these days.
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I was talking to someone about long sleeved shirts not being available anymore. We came to the conclusion that it's because payers wear base layers these days.
I didn't get much sleep last night, and I read this as being because the players wear 'bras'.
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Castore do make long sleeved replica shirts. The Ireland shirt is available with long sleeves and I’ve seen long sleeved Rangers shirts in Sports Direct
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Castore do make long sleeved replica shirts. The Ireland shirt is available with long sleeves and I’ve seen long sleeved Rangers shirts in Sports Direct
This is what I wanted to say, but somehow fucked it all up at the top of the page.
Rangers and Wolves have long sleeve versions too, I think.
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I was talking to someone about long sleeved shirts not being available anymore. We came to the conclusion that it's because payers wear base layers these days.
I didn't get much sleep last night, and I read this as being because the players wear 'bras'.
A lot of them do, sort of - https://uk.shop.statsports.com/products/apex-athlete-series
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I bought the long sleeve home Nike/Acorns shirt after i bought the short sleeve one first, as i liked the Acorns "sponsor" idea so much. Such a great charity to partner with.
Love a long sleeve shirt, reminds me of Sid Cowans.
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I bought the long sleeve home Nike/Acorns shirt after i bought the short sleeve one first, as i liked the Acorns "sponsor" idea so much. Such a great charity to partner with.
Love a long sleeve shirt, reminds me of Sid Cowans.
Yes!
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That Castore template would suit a 1983 European Super Cup-style home kit, rather like that mock up with Maguire earlier in the thread. I'd be happy with that.
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I bought the long sleeve home Nike/Acorns shirt after i bought the short sleeve one first, as i liked the Acorns "sponsor" idea so much. Such a great charity to partner with.
Love a long sleeve shirt, reminds me of Sid Cowans.
Me too! And Gary Shaw....
Love a long sleeve.
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I bought the long sleeve home Nike/Acorns shirt after i bought the short sleeve one first, as i liked the Acorns "sponsor" idea so much. Such a great charity to partner with.
Love a long sleeve shirt, reminds me of Sid Cowans.
Me too! And Gary Shaw....
Love a long sleeve.
Tony Daley loved a long sleever.
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I bought the long sleeve home Nike/Acorns shirt after i bought the short sleeve one first, as i liked the Acorns "sponsor" idea so much. Such a great charity to partner with.
Love a long sleeve shirt, reminds me of Sid Cowans.
Me too! And Gary Shaw....
Love a long sleeve.
Tony Daley loved a long sleever.
Another of my favourite players...
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My only question about this idea of a template is why haven't we seen ours when all the other Castore kits seem to be out? Is it because of the sponsor?
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My only question about this idea of a template is why haven't we seen ours when all the other Castore kits seem to be out? Is it because of the sponsor?
I guess so, perhaps we're late announcing our new main sponsor because Heck is bringing someone else in, or because our European campaign now makes it more expensive.
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Little bit off topic but, anyone have any tips for removing names, number from back of shirts? My daughter, who was very young at the time, bought me the 2nd acorns shirt for my birthday but she had my surname and number 1 on the back. It's still in pristine condition because I've never really worn it in public.
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Little bit off topic but, anyone have any tips for removing names, number from back of shirts? My daughter, who was very young at the time, bought me the 2nd acorns shirt for my birthday but she had my surname and number 1 on the back. It's still in pristine condition because I've never really worn it in public.
Do you have a hideously embarrassing surname or something? ;D
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Little bit off topic but, anyone have any tips for removing names, number from back of shirts? My daughter, who was very young at the time, bought me the 2nd acorns shirt for my birthday but she had my surname and number 1 on the back. It's still in pristine condition because I've never really worn it in public.
Do you have a hideously embarrassing surname or something? ;D
He wants to sell a birthday present. (tuts disapprovingly) 😉
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Little bit off topic but, anyone have any tips for removing names, number from back of shirts? My daughter, who was very young at the time, bought me the 2nd acorns shirt for my birthday but she had my surname and number 1 on the back. It's still in pristine condition because I've never really worn it in public.
Do you have a hideously embarrassing surname or something? ;D
He wants to sell a birthday present. (tuts disapprovingly) 😉
Or to change the name and number to Habib Beye.
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No nothing like that. I want to wear it, that's the thing. Just not into forty something year old blokes wearing shirts with names and numbers on the back really, and obviously the number 1 makes it worse.
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I don't mind seeing something like that on anyone, it's clearly a present in that case.
I do find it weird when middle-aged men have the name and number of a player though.
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I wonder if this weeks gigs Villa Park by world wide superstars will be when we choose how & when we unveil our New badge & Kit ... Could be a PR masterstroke
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I don't mind seeing something like that on anyone, it's clearly a present in that case.
I do find it weird when middle-aged men have the name and number of a player though.
Personally gutting for me Ashley Young is gone, as I am now finally older than all the players.
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No nothing like that. I want to wear it, that's the thing. Just not into forty something year old blokes wearing shirts with names and numbers on the back really, and obviously the number 1 makes it worse.
Mate, I have a shirt with Dogtanian on the back…
You’ll be fine!
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No nothing like that. I want to wear it, that's the thing. Just not into forty something year old blokes wearing shirts with names and numbers on the back really, and obviously the number 1 makes it worse.
Just washing the modern shirts lifts off any printing! My old Macron shirt lost the macron shoulder design and left a shadow and my even older Diadora Rover shirt lost the rover sponsor and left a shadow.....
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No nothing like that. I want to wear it, that's the thing. Just not into forty something year old blokes wearing shirts with names and numbers on the back really, and obviously the number 1 makes it worse.
There's a few peeps on Twitter that can advise on the removal of names/numbers - on of whom lives in Knowle and is one of us. Happy to pass on details.
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No nothing like that. I want to wear it, that's the thing. Just not into forty something year old blokes wearing shirts with names and numbers on the back really, and obviously the number 1 makes it worse.
Just washing the modern shirts lifts off any printing! My old Macron shirt lost the macron shoulder design and left a shadow and my even older Diadora Rover shirt lost the rover sponsor and left a shadow.....
Just do the opposite of what they tell you in the shop...
So.... Wash it on a higher temperature, 2itj loads of fabric conditioner, don't turn it inside out and finally dry it on a direct heat source like a radiator on full blast. Or get a 6 year old to wear it.
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I wonder if this weeks gigs Villa Park by world wide superstars will be when we choose how & when we unveil our New badge & Kit ... Could be a PR masterstroke
Flashes up on the big screen just as Springsteen reaches the "1..2..3..4" but in the middle of Born to Run.
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I don't mind seeing something like that on anyone, it's clearly a present in that case.
I do find it weird when middle-aged men have the name and number of a player though.
Personally gutting for me Ashley Young is gone, as I am now finally older than all the players.
I already was, but it was nice to have an outfield player close to my age
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Seems like a lot of Newcastle fans are very unhappy with Castore.
Very limited stock and quality issues.
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The new Southampton home shirt is fantastic
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The new Southampton home shirt is fantastic
It's absolutely dreadful. I've never understood the the love for Hummel and in particular that 1986 Denmark shirt, but the Soton version just looks dated and even worse with the shite sponsor's logo.
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The chevrons are too narrow.
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Really annoying they couldn’t have the new home shirt ready for Fathers Day.
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The new Southampton home shirt is fantastic
It's absolutely dreadful. I've never understood the the love for Hummel and in particular that 1986 Denmark shirt, but the Soton version just looks dated and even worse with the shite sponsor's logo.
Agree, awful.
I wasn’t keen on ours that was that sort of design, either.
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I like the Southampton shirt.
Can't believe we're at the end of June and we still haven't seen our kits.
I'm sick of this.
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Southampton kit just looks like our 1988 shirt washed so often that the colours have faded a lot.
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Our away kit back then of a similar design; white and light blue was lovely. Or at least lovely back then.
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Our away kit back then of a similar design; white and light blue was lovely. Or at least lovely back then.
Apparently if you have one of those in decent condition it's worth quite a bit.
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their away kit is bloody awful, mind you they have form on this
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Our away kit back then of a similar design; white and light blue was lovely. Or at least lovely back then.
Apparently if you have one of those in decent condition it's worth quite a bit.
(https://www.footballshirtculture.com/images/stories/hummel-1987-89-aston-villa-match-issue-away-shirt/hummel_1987_89_aston_villa_match_issue_away_shirt_a.jpg)
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Our away kit back then of a similar design; white and light blue was lovely. Or at least lovely back then.
This is the one. https://www.jdsports.ie/product/white-score-draw-aston-villa-fc-88-away-retro-shirt/16229859_jdsportsie/
It looks better in the white and light blue with claret logo and trim, plus the half and lhalf design was less pronounced. Didn't like the home shirt at all.
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Seems like a lot of Newcastle fans are very unhappy with Castore.
Very limited stock and quality issues.
They’ll just have to watch topless as normal
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Seems like a lot of Newcastle fans are very unhappy with Castore.
Very limited stock and quality issues.
They’ll just have to watch topless as normal
I can never tell their kits apart anyway.
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Really annoying they couldn’t have the new home shirt ready for Fathers Day.
Same shit, different year.
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Our away kit back then of a similar design; white and light blue was lovely. Or at least lovely back then.
Apparently if you have one of those in decent condition it's worth quite a bit.
I’ve still got mine, in great nick. I think it must’ve shrunk since I got it so I haven’t worn it for years. How much are they fetching?
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Our away kit back then of a similar design; white and light blue was lovely. Or at least lovely back then.
Apparently if you have one of those in decent condition it's worth quite a bit.
I’ve still got mine, in great nick. I think it must’ve shrunk since I got it so I haven’t worn it for years. How much are they fetching?
Shrink even though they aren’t being worn or washed. I noticed they do that too.
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Our away kit back then of a similar design; white and light blue was lovely. Or at least lovely back then.
Apparently if you have one of those in decent condition it's worth quite a bit.
I’ve still got mine, in great nick. I think it must’ve shrunk since I got it so I haven’t worn it for years. How much are they fetching?
Shrink even though they aren’t being worn or washed. I noticed they do that too.
maybe the bloke who is wearing it got larger
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Our away kit back then of a similar design; white and light blue was lovely. Or at least lovely back then.
Apparently if you have one of those in decent condition it's worth quite a bit.
I’ve still got mine, in great nick. I think it must’ve shrunk since I got it so I haven’t worn it for years. How much are they fetching?
Shrink even though they aren’t being worn or washed. I noticed they do that too.
maybe the bloke who is wearing it got larger
Whoosh 😂
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Our away kit back then of a similar design; white and light blue was lovely. Or at least lovely back then.
Apparently if you have one of those in decent condition it's worth quite a bit.
I’ve still got mine, in great nick. I think it must’ve shrunk since I got it so I haven’t worn it for years. How much are they fetching?
Shrink even though they aren’t being worn or washed. I noticed they do that too.
maybe the bloke who is wearing it got larger
Whoosh 😂
fuck LOL I didn't read yours properly. Long day
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. Didn't like the home shirt at all.
It makes me think about Alan McInally though. So that’s nice.
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I don't mind seeing something like that on anyone, it's clearly a present in that case.
I do find it weird when middle-aged men have the name and number of a player though.
Personally gutting for me Ashley Young is gone, as I am now finally older than all the players.
It is the most shattering experience of a young man's life when one morning he awakes and quite reasonably says to himself, "I will never play for the Villa."
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I don't mind seeing something like that on anyone, it's clearly a present in that case.
I do find it weird when middle-aged men have the name and number of a player though.
Personally gutting for me Ashley Young is gone, as I am now finally older than all the players.
It is the most shattering experience of a young man's life when one morning he awakes and quite reasonably says to himself, "I will never play for the Villa."
Algy, you terrible c***.
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I don't mind seeing something like that on anyone, it's clearly a present in that case.
I do find it weird when middle-aged men have the name and number of a player though.
Personally gutting for me Ashley Young is gone, as I am now finally older than all the players.
It is the most shattering experience of a young man's life when one morning he awakes and quite reasonably says to himself, "I will never play for the Villa."
Algy, you terrible c***.
What a line.
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I don't mind seeing something like that on anyone, it's clearly a present in that case.
I do find it weird when middle-aged men have the name and number of a player though.
Personally gutting for me Ashley Young is gone, as I am now finally older than all the players.
It is the most shattering experience of a young man's life when one morning he awakes and quite reasonably says to himself, "I will never play for the Villa."
I'm still quietly confident. All I need is to undo about 15 years of drinking, smoking and sitting around eating Pot Noodles, AND suddenly become really good at football.
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It is the most shattering experience of a young man's life when one morning he awakes and quite reasonably says to himself, "I will never play for the Villa."
I'm still quietly confident. All I need is to undo about 15 years of drinking, smoking and sitting around eating Pot Noodles, AND suddenly become really good at football.
Sorry Rory, you'll never play for Aston Villa. You might get a game for Ireland atm though.
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Our away kit back then of a similar design; white and light blue was lovely. Or at least lovely back then.
Apparently if you have one of those in decent condition it's worth quite a bit.
I’ve still got mine, in great nick. I think it must’ve shrunk since I got it so I haven’t worn it for years. How much are they fetching?
Shrink even though they aren’t being worn or washed. I noticed they do that too.
Couldn't find an away one for sale but a home one which is only rated as good condition was priced at £175.
https://www.classicfootballshirts.co.uk/1987-89-aston-villa-home-shirt-good-510-m-avlh8709958.html
A very good long-sleeved one is £500.
https://www.classicfootballshirts.co.uk/1987-89-aston-villa-home-l-s-shirt-very-good-xl.html
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It is the most shattering experience of a young man's life when one morning he awakes and quite reasonably says to himself, "I will never play for the Villa."
I'm still quietly confident. All I need is to undo about 15 years of drinking, smoking and sitting around eating Pot Noodles, AND suddenly become really good at football.
Sorry Rory, you'll never play for Aston Villa. You might get a game for Ireland atm though.
To quote Mark Corrigan, "please don't shit on my dreams. I don't want shit on my dreams."
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Our away kit back then of a similar design; white and light blue was lovely. Or at least lovely back then.
Apparently if you have one of those in decent condition it's worth quite a bit.
I’ve still got mine, in great nick. I think it must’ve shrunk since I got it so I haven’t worn it for years. How much are they fetching?
Shrink even though they aren’t being worn or washed. I noticed they do that too.
Couldn't find an away one for sale but a home one which is only rated as good condition was priced at £175.
https://www.classicfootballshirts.co.uk/1987-89-aston-villa-home-shirt-good-510-m-avlh8709958.html
A very good long-sleeved one is £500.
https://www.classicfootballshirts.co.uk/1987-89-aston-villa-home-l-s-shirt-very-good-xl.html
This guy does sone brilliant new retros in long sleeve. I’ve had the following year balck and white away in long sleeve. It’s a thing of beauty.
£60
(https://i.ibb.co/7N988rk/IMG-5744.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7N988rk)
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Is there a release date known yet for next season ?
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It is the most shattering experience of a young man's life when one morning he awakes and quite reasonably says to himself, "I will never play for the Villa."
I'm still quietly confident. All I need is to undo about 15 years of drinking, smoking and sitting around eating Pot Noodles, AND suddenly become really good at football.
Sorry Rory, you'll never play for Aston Villa. You might get a game for Ireland atm though.
To quote Mark Corrigan, "please don't shit on my dreams. I don't want shit on my dreams."
To quote Jez, "do you have to live quite so relentlessly in the real world?". The real world is calling Rory, it ain't happening.
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This guy does sone brilliant new retros in long sleeve. I’ve had the following year balck and white away in long sleeve. It’s a thing of beauty.
£60
(https://i.ibb.co/7N988rk/IMG-5744.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7N988rk)
Ooh, nice indeed. Do you have a link?
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It is the most shattering experience of a young man's life when one morning he awakes and quite reasonably says to himself, "I will never play for the Villa."
I'm still quietly confident. All I need is to undo about 15 years of drinking, smoking and sitting around eating Pot Noodles, AND suddenly become really good at football.
Sorry Rory, you'll never play for Aston Villa. You might get a game for Ireland atm though.
To quote Mark Corrigan, "please don't shit on my dreams. I don't want shit on my dreams."
To quote Jez, "do you have to live quite so relentlessly in the real world?". The real world is calling Rory, it ain't happening.
"Oh, that's a great law, isn't it? What's that, Gadaffi's law?"
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This guy does sone brilliant new retros in long sleeve. I’ve had the following year balck and white away in long sleeve. It’s a thing of beauty.
£60
(https://i.ibb.co/7N988rk/IMG-5744.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7N988rk)
Ooh, nice indeed. Do you have a link?
Indeed. I had a very good nick original Hummel short sleeve home shirt which was tucked away in a drawer and forgotten about at my "old" home pre-divorce.
When my lad got to about 18 and filled out (and therefore was about the same size as I was when I had that shirt) and was looking for retro shirts I said to him "there's my old Hummel one knocking about in a drawer at your Mum's somewhere" as I had forgotten about it so didn't take it when I moved out. She'd chucked it away, of course!! Looked on ebay and they were fetching £300. My own fault for forgetting it, but still gutted, as was my son!!
These copies look great though as the "official" copied don't have the hummel logo. I wonder if the "Mita" logo is the same felt-like material?
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Our away kit back then of a similar design; white and light blue was lovely. Or at least lovely back then.
Apparently if you have one of those in decent condition it's worth quite a bit.
I’ve still got mine, in great nick. I think it must’ve shrunk since I got it so I haven’t worn it for years. How much are they fetching?
Shrink even though they aren’t being worn or washed. I noticed they do that too.
Couldn't find an away one for sale but a home one which is only rated as good condition was priced at £175.
https://www.classicfootballshirts.co.uk/1987-89-aston-villa-home-shirt-good-510-m-avlh8709958.html
A very good long-sleeved one is £500.
https://www.classicfootballshirts.co.uk/1987-89-aston-villa-home-l-s-shirt-very-good-xl.html
Flippin heck, if that’s what they’re going for my Luke one must be worth a fair bit.
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This guy does sone brilliant new retros in long sleeve. I’ve had the following year balck and white away in long sleeve. It’s a thing of beauty.
£60
(https://i.ibb.co/7N988rk/IMG-5744.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7N988rk)
Ooh, nice indeed. Do you have a link?
He’s on Instagram and his username is Heroes Of Villains.
I’ve had these three off him and they’re all superb ( also a long sleeve 89 one )
(https://i.ibb.co/SKM9zWn/FA54694-B-0-BEE-4-DA3-9132-43-BA46-CAAE0-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SKM9zWn)
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How about this for an original, match worn long sleeve?
(https://i.ibb.co/74Fzb8C/20230620-112724.jpg) (https://ibb.co/74Fzb8C)
(https://i.ibb.co/YpPhR7v/20230620-112745.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YpPhR7v)
(https://i.ibb.co/qMPwzv8/20230620-112816.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qMPwzv8)
A bit torn and frayed now but worn by Big Dick Edwards himself
*don't know why the last image came out upside down but the label detail is great
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Flippin heck, if that’s what they’re going for my Luke one must be worth a fair bit.
They are. Over £100 at least.
I've got a large in mint condition but it doesn't fit me. I'd never sell it though.
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He’s on Instagram and his username is Heroes Of Villains.
I’ve had these three off him and they’re all superb ( also a long sleeve 89 one )
(https://i.ibb.co/SKM9zWn/FA54694-B-0-BEE-4-DA3-9132-43-BA46-CAAE0-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SKM9zWn)
I love that white shirt with pure black sleeves but cannot find one anywhere to buy...
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That his username above on instagram mate. Drop him a message.
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Our away kit back then of a similar design; white and light blue was lovely. Or at least lovely back then.
Apparently if you have one of those in decent condition it's worth quite a bit.
(https://www.footballshirtculture.com/images/stories/hummel-1987-89-aston-villa-match-issue-away-shirt/hummel_1987_89_aston_villa_match_issue_away_shirt_a.jpg)
I bought one of those to wear for Graham Taylors last game, away at Everton. No idea where it is mind.
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I know we have new branding and a new badge but why are we always seemingly last out of the blocks with new kits.
Not a single pallet in sight anywhere either :(
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A quick look at who's got their new kit out:
23/24 out
Man City
Arsenal
Liverpool
Spurs
Newcastle
Palace
23/24 not out
Villa
Man U
West Ham
Brighton
Brentford
Everton
Fulham
Bournemouth
Chelsea
So far, more haven't than have it seems.
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That his username above on instagram mate. Drop him a message.
That Instagram doesn't look right. Just include a link
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A quick look at who's got their new kit out:
23/24 out
Man City
Arsenal
Liverpool
Spurs
Newcastle
Palace
23/24 not out
Villa
Man U
West Ham
Brighton
Brentford
Everton
Fulham
Bournemouth
Chelsea
So far, more haven't than have it seems.
Have any of those with the kit released also changed sponsor? I still think that's our big delay. Until that contract is expired, I can't imagine the club want to see a 'new' kit with the old sponsor?
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Flippin heck, if that’s what they’re going for my Luke one must be worth a fair bit.
They are. Over £100 at least.
I've got a large in mint condition but it doesn't fit me. I'd never sell it though.
Same here, mate.
Mine still fits, I just don’t like to wear it
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That his username above on instagram mate. Drop him a message.
That Instagram doesn't look right. Just include a link
https://instagram.com/mrc_1103?igshid=ZWQyN2ExYTkwZQ==
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Thanks. I guess that its because its private it didn't show up in searches.
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Appreciate the link. 👍
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You have to chuckle
https://twitter.com/bbcmotd/status/1671527140083286021?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
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£110 for a shirt ?!
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Club shop open 2pm -8pm tomorrow according to Twitter 👀👀
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That his username above on instagram mate. Drop him a message.
That Instagram doesn't look right. Just include a link
https://instagram.com/mrc_1103?igshid=ZWQyN2ExYTkwZQ==
Is the fella producing and selling those shirts or is it just a display site of old rare stuff?
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He produces and sells them. I've bought all the Le Coq shirts off him, some long sleeved some short and the quality is excellent. Decent lad taboot.
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Club shop open 2pm -8pm tomorrow according to Twitter 👀👀
Seems we're launching the new kit tomorrow
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Club shop open 2pm -8pm tomorrow according to Twitter 👀👀
Isn't it open every day?
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Club shop open 2pm -8pm tomorrow according to Twitter 👀👀
Isn't it open every day?
Yes Not open in the morning tomorrow. Adjusted hours to the evening.
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Club shop open 2pm -8pm tomorrow according to Twitter 👀👀
Isn't it open every day?
Yeah but normally 9-5 (or thereabouts).
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Cheers.
Who knows then.
The fact we haven't had a single leak at all though, seems unlikely to me. When does that ever happen?
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According to Twatter:
Kit is launching tomorrow, confirmed.
Stripes.
Badge is central.
Pau Torres interest is real
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According to Twatter:
Kit is launching tomorrow, confirmed.
Stripes.
Badge is central.
Pau Torres interest is real
Post of the Day !!
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I'll be buzzing with stripes. Traditionalists won't like it but I don't care.
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As long as not fat stripes, a la 99-2000.
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I'll be buzzing with stripes. Traditionalists won't like it but I don't care.
Same here, would like a change. Not that I'll be buying it but will be good to see the younger family members wearing it.
Edit: I'd add, having now looked, no one knows shit about the new kit.
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We had those pinstripes in 2015. Shit season, shit kit. And that Final.
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Or could it be a complete sell out sale of all old badge, cazoo logo and older gear to completely clear the decks ?
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Or could it be a complete sell out sale of all old badge, cazoo logo and older gear to completely clear the decks ?
No. Defo new kit and confirmation of BK8 sponsorship
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Or could it be a complete sell out sale of all old badge, cazoo logo and older gear to completely clear the decks ?
No. Defo new kit and confirmation of BK8 sponsorship
Good stuff, hopefully the logo will be white and not too large.
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Or could it be a complete sell out sale of all old badge, cazoo logo and older gear to completely clear the decks ?
No. Defo new kit and confirmation of BK8 sponsorship
Good stuff, hopefully the logo will be white and not too large.
Hope so. Not seen it myself yet
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My sources tell me that the new shirt feature the colours claret and blue. You read it here first.
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My sources tell me that the new shirt feature the colours claret and blue. You read it here first.
Did your source mention if the new badge will be on there as well?
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He produces and sells them. I've bought all the Le Coq shirts off him, some long sleeved some short and the quality is excellent. Decent lad taboot.
How do you buy them? There doesn’t seem to be any option to purchase
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I stumbled on him via eBay but I'm not sure if he's still on there? I'd drop him a message via the app, he will get back to you.
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As long as not fat stripes, a la 99-2000.
Personally I loved that kit, Carbone hat trick v Leeds.
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As long as not fat stripes, a la 99-2000.
Personally I loved that kit, Carbone hat trick v Leeds.
One of my favourites too. I think of it as the Merse kit. I'd love stripes again for a year.
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Stripes should be nowhere near a Villa kit, we are not west baggage fkin all bran.
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As long as not fat stripes, a la 99-2000.
Personally I loved that kit, Carbone hat trick v Leeds.
One of my favourites too. I think of it as the Merse kit. I'd love stripes again for a year.
I’ve never known anyone be so wrong as you two! :P
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Polka dots anyone?
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As long as not fat stripes, a la 99-2000.
Personally I loved that kit, Carbone hat trick v Leeds.
One of my favourites too. I think of it as the Merse kit. I'd love stripes again for a year.
I’ve never known anyone be so wrong as you two! :P
I dont mind stripes but they need to be claret and sky blue
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Stripes should be nowhere near a Villa kit, we are not west baggage fkin all bran.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aston_villa_1887.jpg
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Stripes should be nowhere near a Villa kit, we are not west baggage fkin all bran.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aston_villa_1887.jpg
1887
(https://i.ibb.co/D5HGMdV/Aston-villa-1887.jpg) (https://ibb.co/D5HGMdV)
aquinas institute (https://nonprofitlight.com/ny/rochester/aquinas-institute-of-rochester)
1957
(https://i.ibb.co/g4s69My/1957.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g4s69My)
1993-95
(https://i.ibb.co/JtnKTgm/1993.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JtnKTgm)
deerwood country club (https://nonprofitlight.com/fl/jacksonville/deerwood-country-club-inc)
1987
(https://i.ibb.co/ZM4tNf3/1987.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZM4tNf3)
1999
(https://i.ibb.co/p3g9sw7/1999.jpg) (https://ibb.co/p3g9sw7)
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We all have our opinions, but the occasional change is not selling our souls.
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We all have our opinions, but the occasional change is not selling our souls.
OK Ill relent on the first 2.
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Does any other major club change from its proper kit layout as often as we do?
People say stripes bring us luck? We weren't in stripes for '75, '77, '81, '82 or '96. We were in stripes in '57 because the away kit didn't stand out from Man U's. Yes we won a league cup in '94 but we almost got relegated in that kit the following year. We had a woeful day at Wembley in the 'Barcelona' striped kit of '99-00 and our last (pin) striped effort of 2014-15 saw us get humiliated at Wembley.
I hope it isn't stripes.
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Does any other major club change from its proper kit layout as often as we do?
People say stripes bring us luck? We weren't in stripes for '75, '77, '81, '82 or '96. We were in stripes in '57 because the away kit didn't stand out from Man U's. Yes we won a league cup in '94 but we almost got relegated in that kit the following year. We had a woeful day at Wembley in the 'Barcelona' striped kit of '99-00 and our last (pin) striped effort of 2014-15 saw us get humiliated at Wembley.
I hope it isn't stripes.
I'm not sure anyone has mentioned luck?
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Does any other major club change from its proper kit layout as often as we do?
Bayern Munich. they've changed their kits and colours so much over the years I'm not even sure what their 'proper kit' is.
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Stripes should be nowhere near a Villa kit, we are not west baggage fkin all bran.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aston_villa_1887.jpg
1887
(https://i.ibb.co/D5HGMdV/Aston-villa-1887.jpg) (https://ibb.co/D5HGMdV)
aquinas institute (https://nonprofitlight.com/ny/rochester/aquinas-institute-of-rochester)
1957
(https://i.ibb.co/g4s69My/1957.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g4s69My)
1993-95
(https://i.ibb.co/JtnKTgm/1993.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JtnKTgm)
deerwood country club (https://nonprofitlight.com/fl/jacksonville/deerwood-country-club-inc)
1987
(https://i.ibb.co/ZM4tNf3/1987.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZM4tNf3)
1999
(https://i.ibb.co/p3g9sw7/1999.jpg) (https://ibb.co/p3g9sw7)
Argh no, this is what the stripey people keep using and it's such an awful argument IMO. We've had stripes
(a) before we established a distinctive style of kit (1880s)
(b) Once, as an away kit (1957)
(c) Once, when it wasn't really stripes, more halves, and as a near off-the-peg kit (1987)
Then somehow this has become justification for the kits in 1994 and 1999 that 'sometimes we wear stripes'. No. No, we don't wear stripes. Claret body, blue sleeves. That's our home kit.
I'm a bit of a wrong un in as much as I don't mind the odd change in style, and it wouldn't particularly bother me if our new kit was different this coming season, as long as it was clearly 1880s inspired version. But to use a history of stripeyness as justification ... sorry, just no.
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Hated that Asics kit at the time, but I now look back fondly at that period, so that kit has a special place in my heart.... including the green, black and red nightmare fuelled away number, which I still own, with McGrath #5 adorning the back.
Whatever the club unveil today, it's going to upset a portion of the fan base. What IS important is what the players DO in it. If they win something wearing it, it will be remembered as a great kit regardless. ;)
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I don't think anyone is suggesting a long-term switch to stipes. But just a few of us wrong 'uns wouldn't mind it as an occasional change. Appreciate others hate the idea though.
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As the boy Lamptey says, the only thing that matters is what the team do wearing it
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Hated that Asics kit at the time, but I now look back fondly at that period, so that kit has a special place in my heart.... including the green, black and red nightmare fuelled away number, which I still own, with McGrath #5 adorning the back.
Whatever the club unveil today, it's going to upset a portion of the fan base. What IS important is what the players DO in it. If they win something wearing it, it will be remembered as a great kit regardless. ;)
Oh absolutely. If we win the League & Europa Conference next season, we could be playing in blue shirts, white shorts, blue socks with "Triton Showers" plastered over the middle and a pair of bollocks on the right hand side - it'd be an amazing kit.
Still, it's the internet and football ... so I'm allowed to have strongly held opinions on things one day, then have a separate strongly held opinions that completely contradict them the next.
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1957 wasn't an away kit, it was a one-off.
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1957 wasn't an away kit, it was a one-off.
Because it was shown on TV, the first cup final on live TV?
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I am not a fan of stripes in any way, shape or form.
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Im a bit of a traditionalist & I only really like Villa in claret body & blue sleeves, but I don't actually mind that half & half shirt from 87...
Plus, hummel are a great brand.
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anyone know what time it's being released?
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anyone know what time it's being released?
I think the shop opens at 2.00, So I'd imagine just before that?
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Does any other major club change from its proper kit layout as often as we do?
Bayern Munich. they've changed their kits and colours so much over the years I'm not even sure what their 'proper kit' is.
Also Luton, one week they're in white next thing they're in orange. Also Inter have switched between hoops and stripes a few times.
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For me, the home kit should always look like a traditional Villa kit. They can mess around a bit more with the away kit and go as mental as they like with the 3rd kit.
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Im a bit of a traditionalist & I only really like Villa in claret body & blue sleeves, but I don't actually mind that half & half shirt from 87...
Plus, hummel are a great brand.
Shame they're kitting the dogshitters out next season
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1957 wasn't an away kit, it was a one-off.
Because it was shown on TV, the first cup final on live TV?
It wasn't the first on TV. I think it was because both clubs couldn't agree who would change, they couldn't both change because their second kits were similar, so we agreed to change into a third, neatly keeping claret & blue into the bargain.
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anyone know what time it's being released?
I think the shop opens at 2.00, So I'd imagine just before that?
Have they said it is getting released today?
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Does any other major club change from its proper kit layout as often as we do?
Bayern Munich. they've changed their kits and colours so much over the years I'm not even sure what their 'proper kit' is.
Also Luton, one week they're in white next thing they're in orange. Also Inter have switched between hoops and stripes a few times.
He did say major clubs. :)
You could also add Southampton to the list if you include minor clubs.
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anyone know what time it's being released?
I think the shop opens at 2.00, So I'd imagine just before that?
Have they said it is getting released today?
thought i'd read it somewhere but seems i have imagined it
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anyone know what time it's being released?
I think the shop opens at 2.00, So I'd imagine just before that?
Have they said it is getting released today?
thought i'd read it somewhere but seems i have imagined it
Ty Bracey on twitter said it's today.
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Well if it's not and they open the shop at 2pm with only a load of leftover Reward Points tat on sale, it would be brilliant.
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Well if it's not and they open the shop at 2pm with only a load of leftover Reward Points tat on sale, it would be brilliant.
Maybe they wanted to decorate the shop with BK8 balloons and remove Cazoo or something.
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Well if it's not and they open the shop at 2pm with only a load of leftover Reward Points tat on sale, it would be brilliant.
final final sale , ever, ever
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Well if it's not and they open the shop at 2pm with only a load of leftover Reward Points tat on sale, it would be brilliant.
final final sale , ever, ever
It's your last, last chance to get a shirt with a Lerner era badge design and a lion that faces the "right" way.
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Bit strange that they've announced the new sponsor using the old crest. If the new kit is being released today you'd have thought it would have been done in a big bang (website update with crest and all).
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Bit strange that they've announced the new sponsor using the old crest. If the new kit is being released today you'd have thought it would have been done in a big bang (website update with crest and all).
It'll all be part of the big reveal. I'm expecting fireworks at 2pm.
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I hate everything about that BK8 deal.
It looks shit.
I hate whoring ourselves out to the gambling industry.
If a product has to tell people not to use the product that is being advertised, then thats a bit of a red flag.
Plus it looks shit...
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25 minutes to go. Still no tweet.
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Not sure about blue shoulders on the shirt.
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Not sure about blue shoulders on the shirt.
(https://i.ibb.co/YbGmbTF/IMG-7685.png) (https://ibb.co/YbGmbTF)
Not my favourite. Maybe I need to see us playing in it.
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Burnley.
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Not sure about blue shoulders on the shirt.
(https://i.ibb.co/YbGmbTF/IMG-7685.png) (https://ibb.co/YbGmbTF)
Not my favourite. Maybe I need to see us playing in it.
Where is that pic taken then ?
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That’s in the Bullring. The club are going to be furious that’s come out earlier than the official launch
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its on Pravada now
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Looks tacky and the sponsor looks shit.
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Well that's shit.
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(https://i.ibb.co/P44H4jS/aston-villa-castore-home-pro-shirt-2023-24-ss5-p-13375834-u-0xr1d41zfiniej4wt2fg-v-0h4fbr3u1c5rxaiog.jpg) (https://ibb.co/P44H4jS)
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Is that a stanley knife blade motif?
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😂😂😂
That is the worst kit we've had in years.
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Well that's shit.
It's not that good. Looks like a 17 year old BTEC in design won the job.
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Not sure about blue shoulders on the shirt.
I am, I hate when our home kit has a rectangular blue shoulder. Dreadful.
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😂😂😂
That is the worst kit we've had in years.
Its shite.
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Awful, not even average.
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Castore OUT!
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Scunthorpe's is better.
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Oh dear. Badge looks good, mind.
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I hate Castore. They're that bad, they kind of make me miss Kappa.
Kind of.
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Bit meh but I've seen worse.
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Why is Pravda still carrying the old badge/crest?
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Is that a stanley knife blade motif?
Nah, it's not even that, it's them shit snap-off ones.
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So that's that's kit we see our first trophies lifted in since 96. Not a fan, but it'll grow and by grow, I mean just become the thing that we wear that I never really notice, much like every season.
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Who will actually care about the kit if we are in the top 6 right from the start of the season?
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£115. I think I'll buy two
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Castore really are awful. Why can’t we get a decent kit manufacturer?
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It's fine. We've had blue on the shoulders plenty of times before. Badge looks good, sponsor logo a bit tacky.
All a bit meh, but I don't know what people expect when the purists will riot if we move away from claret body blue sleeves.
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Another season of not getting me out of my Luke promotion shirt.
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Do I not like orange.
Nah don't mind it, wouldn't buy it though.
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I’m normally indifferent. But by God, that’s awful.
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Goalie shirt is alright.
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That’s horrible
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Castore really are awful. Why can’t we get a decent kit manufacturer?
Bar Umbro in the 70s and early 90s we basically never have.
Even when we had Nike they didn't put much effort in.
It really annoys me when you see other PL clubs just do not have this problem.
Past decade:
Macron
Under Armour
Luke 1977
Kappa
Castore
That's abysmal. It must have an effect on the club's brand long term to be having shit brands doing the kit and training wear. What's the point of getting an extra 5m per year in revenue if you lose that in sales or other money that would have came had the club had a solid manufacturer? Are they even paying us much more? When even shit clubs like Leicester and Leeds get bespoke kits from Adidas I'm not buying it.
Needs looking at.
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The logo looks orange on the Villa shop, but on the promo pics it's gold which looks loads better.
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From the official club website: "The redesigned crest, which pays homage to our European Cup-winning heroes of 1982, appears on Villa’s playing and training kits this season.
The club will continue to use the existing shield design around Villa Park and on our digital channels, as well as in other areas.
Aston Villa will monitor local, national and global reaction along with feedback to the use of both the crest and kit moniker as the 2023/24 campaign progresses.
With our landmark 150th anniversary on the horizon next season, the club will further engage with supporters on the future identity of Aston Villa and how it should look for the next 150 years and beyond."
Hmmmm. Is the Club not going ahead with the new badge rebrand?
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Oh dear. Badge looks good, mind.
It does….. but it’s only for playing kit and training attire. The previous crest is still to be used on all social media and digital channels and all around the ground . That’s poor I think . It’s just a nod to the 1982 European win , not club branding .
The club will further engage as to what it should like going forward
I’m gobsmacked, I thought that was the purpose of change now !?
😡 fuming
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(https://images.footballfanatics.com/aston-villa/aston-villa-castore-home-goalkeeper-shirt-2023-24_ss5_p-13375853+pv-1+u-6x7udyuqt4wwbs0m3jen+v-nhe9opurcdpgjvjc6dr1.jpg?_hv=2&w=900[img][img])[/img][/img]
Goalie shirt is alright.
https://images.footballfanatics.com/aston-villa/aston-villa-castore-home-goalkeeper-shirt-2023-24_ss5_p-13375853+pv-1+u-6x7udyuqt4wwbs0m3jen+v-nhe9opurcdpgjvjc6dr1.jpg?_hv=2&w=900
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I like that the badge isnt rubber.
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From the official club website: "The redesigned crest, which pays homage to our European Cup-winning heroes of 1982, appears on Villa’s playing and training kits this season.
The club will continue to use the existing shield design around Villa Park and on our digital channels, as well as in other areas.
Aston Villa will monitor local, national and global reaction along with feedback to the use of both the crest and kit moniker as the 2023/24 campaign progresses.
With our landmark 150th anniversary on the horizon next season, the club will further engage with supporters on the future identity of Aston Villa and how it should look for the next 150 years and beyond."
Hmmmm. Is the Club not going ahead with the new badge rebrand?
Oh for goodness sake.
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Not a huge fan. 4/10
The crest looks great though.
Im wondering if the white, yellow & claret hooped flag on one of Watkins pics is a hint of the away shirt?
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I like that the badge isnt rubber.
I don't. The rubber ones were much better.
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Not a fan. The blue looks is a bit washed out in the player photos, and I've no idea what the god-awful pattern is in the claret body, or why it couldn't have just been plain claret.
My least favourite kit in a while. I haven't bought one since our promotion season, and won't be this year either.
I'm sure I'll grow to like it when I see the players scoring and winning games in it, but it's a real shame that this is the kit we'll be seeing for many years to come in photos of SJM lifting the FA Cup.
EDIT: One positive, I actually think the new badge on the white shorts looks ace.
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I think cos the shoulders are square it's too much like West Ham a year or two ago. When we've had the blue curving over the shoulders - 89-90, 90-92, the diadora kits, the 1st acorns, they were OK.
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Only the villa could announce a beautiful new badge in November 2022 and then in June 2023 cock it all up by saying they are half keeping the old one.
What a mess
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Horrible - I wont be buying it.
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One hundred & fifteen pounds for the 'pro' shirt or seventy sheets for one that looks and feels exactly the same. Just what do you get for the extra £45? Is the pro version made by slightly older, better treated children?
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so underwhelming. the Castore creativity is non existent. having said all that - I would never spend that much money on a new kit. retro all the way
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If this badge/rebrand is to be short-lived I can see this shirt becoming a real collector's item in years to come - get 'em while stocks last!
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It's not too bad. The badge looks great.
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One hundred & fifteen pounds for the 'pro' shirt or seventy sheets for one that looks and feels exactly the same. Just what do you get for the extra £45? Is the pro version made by slightly older, better treated children?
Same prices as Castore have for Rangers. A lot of the posters on their site (who normally buy the regular shirts) felt that the pro version was much better quality and were opting to buy that instead.
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From the official club website: "The redesigned crest, which pays homage to our European Cup-winning heroes of 1982, appears on Villa’s playing and training kits this season.
The club will continue to use the existing shield design around Villa Park and on our digital channels, as well as in other areas.
Aston Villa will monitor local, national and global reaction along with feedback to the use of both the crest and kit moniker as the 2023/24 campaign progresses.
With our landmark 150th anniversary on the horizon next season, the club will further engage with supporters on the future identity of Aston Villa and how it should look for the next 150 years and beyond."
Hmmmm. Is the Club not going ahead with the new badge rebrand?
I reckon they want the stand alone lion, which I would be happy with.
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I quite like the shirt and am really glad the crest is embroidered.
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Oh dear. Badge looks good, mind.
It does….. but it’s only for playing kit and training attire. The previous crest is still to be used on all social media and digital channels and all around the ground . That’s poor I think . It’s just a nod to the 1982 European win , not club branding .
The club will further engage as to what it should like going forward
I’m gobsmacked, I thought that was the purpose of change now !?
😡 fuming
What fresh bollocks is this? Half-arsed nonsense.
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From the official club website: "The redesigned crest, which pays homage to our European Cup-winning heroes of 1982, appears on Villa’s playing and training kits this season.
The club will continue to use the existing shield design around Villa Park and on our digital channels, as well as in other areas.
Aston Villa will monitor local, national and global reaction along with feedback to the use of both the crest and kit moniker as the 2023/24 campaign progresses.
With our landmark 150th anniversary on the horizon next season, the club will further engage with supporters on the future identity of Aston Villa and how it should look for the next 150 years and beyond."
Hmmmm. Is the Club not going ahead with the new badge rebrand?
I read this as they've fucked up and are gonna change it AGAIN after the upcoming season.
If they're flipping the lion back around and removing that ridiculous star, I'm okay with this. Anything else, just leave it alone.... It's perfect!
And I LOVE that they've gone back to an embroidered badge, rather than those ridiculous silicon things. Fuzzy felt sponsors to make a comeback next please, rather than the stick on transfers that peel off after a couple of washes!
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From the official club website: "The redesigned crest, which pays homage to our European Cup-winning heroes of 1982, appears on Villa’s playing and training kits this season.
The club will continue to use the existing shield design around Villa Park and on our digital channels, as well as in other areas.
Aston Villa will monitor local, national and global reaction along with feedback to the use of both the crest and kit moniker as the 2023/24 campaign progresses.
With our landmark 150th anniversary on the horizon next season, the club will further engage with supporters on the future identity of Aston Villa and how it should look for the next 150 years and beyond."
Hmmmm. Is the Club not going ahead with the new badge rebrand?
What the actual fuck?!?
Shouldn't that bit where, "Villa will monitor local, national and global reaction along with feedback to the use of both the crest and kit moniker as the 2023/24 campaign progresses", have been done as part of the actual crest redesign?!?
"Oh, remember that ace crest we designed last year that 75% of you loved, well, we are half keeping the shit one that Lerner designed on MS Paint, because we forgot to do some marketing research before we announced the new crest. And despite the fact that three quarters of our fans love it, we want to see what "The Sun" thinks of it before we commit to it properly..."
What an absolute shit show...
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Bardell more or less confirms the round badge will be ditched.
Fuck off villa, why bother consulting us?
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(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/1400x1400/c309eea0-10e4-11ee-aaac-a33f8fcef844.jpg)
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(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/1400x1400/c309eea0-10e4-11ee-aaac-a33f8fcef844.jpg)
Badge is smart, done.
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Bardell more or less confirms the round badge will be ditched.
Fuck off villa, why bother consulting us?
What an absolute disgrace.
Fuming.
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Bardell more or less confirms the round badge will be ditched.
Fuck off villa, why bother consulting us?
Who's Bardell?
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Bardell more or less confirms the round badge will be ditched.
Fuck off villa, why bother consulting us?
Who's Bardell?
Just another talking head,
https://twitter.com/danbardell/status/1671865666897412097?cxt=HHwWgoC8ueq91LMuAAAA
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Not a fan of the kit, but not really arsed.
This stuff about the badge however is absolute fucking nonsense. Who thought that would be a good idea?
Absolutely shit management from someone along the line there.
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Gaslamp will be the 150th anniversary season badge/crest/logo/brand image I'd imagine.
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Seen a pic of a guy wearing it in the club shop on Twitter. It looks fine really, but that sponsor logo is poor.
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'The redesigned crest, which pays homage to our European Cup-winning heroes of 1982, appears on Villa’s playing and training kits this season.
The club will continue to use the existing shield design around Villa Park and on our digital channels, as well as in other areas'
so we are going to operate with 2 badges !!!
What a load of bollocks
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Bardell more or less confirms the round badge will be ditched.
Fuck off villa, why bother consulting us?
Who's Bardell?
Just another talking head,
https://twitter.com/danbardell/status/1671865666897412097?cxt=HHwWgoC8ueq91LMuAAAA
Ah, cheers.
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Fucking hell.
I'm gonna email the club. Who do I complain to?
Everyone else should get on it.
Can confirm I'm not bloody smirking now!
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I give zero fucks about which way the lion is facing, I never noticed it before and I don't notice it now.
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"We're changing our badge.
Which one do you like?
*massive poll*
We've instructed an agency to design the new badge.
Here is the new badge *insert designer waffle here*
*months and months pass*
Errr we'll probably only use it for one season because we don't really like it, so we'll carry on with the old MS Paint badge too, and then probably go back to that one, but it depends if you guys like the new badge".
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I thought our amateur days were behind us.
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Bardell more or less confirms the round badge will be ditched.
Fuck off villa, why bother consulting us?
Why would we bother doing that? I'm not sure I understand.
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What an absolute shambles, amateur beyond belief.
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When they announced the winner in November
WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?
The current crest will remain in place for the remainder of the 2022/23 season, with the new crest officially replacing it for the 2023/24 season, including being in place on next season’s kits, released next summer. The crest redesign will now also be factored into an evolution of the rest of our visual identity.
Throughout this important crest design process we have listened to the views of our fans; as ever, you have done us proud in playing your part. We would like to thank all the fans who responded to the initial survey and those who came along to our in-depth focus groups; and of course, thank you to all of you who took part in the final vote, which set a new record for Villa fan participation in a Club survey.
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And i love the "to pay homage to the 1982 team" line, on this, the landmark, err, 41st anniversary of it.
Thrown in there half heartedly as some attempt to explain the temporary nature of it.
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Going back on it like this is really fucking shit.
Bet it was Purslow.
Everyone needs to let them know what we think.
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As for the kit, it looks like a Burnley kit, the sponsor is distasteful and the badge is now pointless.
We haven't exactly covered ourselves in glory.
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And i love the "to pay homage to the 1982 team" line, on this, the landmark, err, 41st anniversary of it.
Thrown in there half heartedly as some attempt to explain the temporary nature of it.
That's one of the things I don't get.
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Not a fan. The blue looks is a bit washed out in the player photos, and I've no idea what the god-awful pattern is in the claret body, or why it couldn't have just been plain claret.
My least favourite kit in a while. I haven't bought one since our promotion season, and won't be this year either.
I'm sure I'll grow to like it when I see the players scoring and winning games in it, but it's a real shame that this is the kit we'll be seeing for many years to come in photos of SJM lifting the FA Cup.
EDIT: One positive, I actually think the new badge on the white shorts looks ace.
The pattern on the claret is "soundwaves of Villa fans singing Alez, alez, alez" apparently.
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Not a fan. The blue looks is a bit washed out in the player photos, and I've no idea what the god-awful pattern is in the claret body, or why it couldn't have just been plain claret.
My least favourite kit in a while. I haven't bought one since our promotion season, and won't be this year either.
I'm sure I'll grow to like it when I see the players scoring and winning games in it, but it's a real shame that this is the kit we'll be seeing for many years to come in photos of SJM lifting the FA Cup.
EDIT: One positive, I actually think the new badge on the white shorts looks ace.
The pattern on the claret is "soundwaves of Villa fans singing Alez, alez, alez" apparently.
;D Oh.
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Not a fan. The blue looks is a bit washed out in the player photos, and I've no idea what the god-awful pattern is in the claret body, or why it couldn't have just been plain claret.
My least favourite kit in a while. I haven't bought one since our promotion season, and won't be this year either.
I'm sure I'll grow to like it when I see the players scoring and winning games in it, but it's a real shame that this is the kit we'll be seeing for many years to come in photos of SJM lifting the FA Cup.
EDIT: One positive, I actually think the new badge on the white shorts looks ace.
The pattern on the claret is "soundwaves of Villa fans singing Alez, alez, alez" apparently.
;D Oh.
Not sure why they picked a generic song sung by every club in the world & not a Villa song is beyond me, but this whole debacle has been a shit show from start to finish, so it figures...
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I can't decide whether this will sell in big numbers because the team are doing well and well just because they do, or be lined up in a sale in approximately 2 weeks.
It could be a collector's item with the one off badge thing too.
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It does look very much like a Burnley kit to me.
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Not a fan. The blue looks is a bit washed out in the player photos, and I've no idea what the god-awful pattern is in the claret body, or why it couldn't have just been plain claret.
My least favourite kit in a while. I haven't bought one since our promotion season, and won't be this year either.
I'm sure I'll grow to like it when I see the players scoring and winning games in it, but it's a real shame that this is the kit we'll be seeing for many years to come in photos of SJM lifting the FA Cup.
EDIT: One positive, I actually think the new badge on the white shorts looks ace.
The pattern on the claret is "soundwaves of Villa fans singing Alez, alez, alez" apparently.
:D
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If they'd just wanted a badge to "pay homage" to the Champions of '82, they could've just used the old badge from then for a season. There was no mention of that when fans were consulted. It looks like someone's changed their mind...
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Ahhh - the gentle reading of complaints - gives a hint of the match thread
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https://twitter.com/1966wall/status/1671873199968079876
This guy has an interesting theory.
Why did Sky and the PL start using our new badge in the graphics for the list of the 20 PL teams next season? Surely they were told by the club that that was our badge. So they must have changed their mind since then.
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Glad you like the new kit, Edvard.
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Absolute amateur crap as usual from us. Different badges all over the place. The new badge got voted for by the fans as a NEW club crest not for one season on a cheap looking kit. Whole identity will look pathetic now..
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I seem to be in a minority of 1 here, but ....
If Heck's looked at the badge and then said "fuck that, I want that goddamn lion facing the right goddamn way and no goddamn star" (which is how I imagine he talks in my head), then they're right not to completely dress the stadium up with the interim badge then have to go through the whole process again in 12 months. Specially with that mosaic thing on the Holte End.
I'm just ... it just doesn't bother me.
Like the new badge, but the new home shirt looks rubbish.
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Absolute amateur crap as usual from us. Different badges all over the place. The new badge got voted for by the fans as a NEW club crest not for one season on a cheap looking kit. Whole identity will look pathetic now..
I bet you’re absolutely buzzing because of this.
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I seem to be in a minority of 1 here, but ....
If Heck's looked at the badge and then said "fuck that, I want that goddamn lion facing the right goddamn way and no goddamn star" (which is how I imagine he talks in my head), then they're right not to completely dress the stadium up with the interim badge then have to go through the whole process again in 12 months. Specially with that mosaic thing on the Holte End.
I'm just ... it just doesn't bother me.
Like the new badge, but the new home shirt looks rubbish.
Would prefer he came & asked what the BS around 3 years with a scummy gambling firm is about than the direction of the lion tbf
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I actually quite like the new jersey.....it would look better without that shite logo/sponsor....
UTV
The Doc
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Not a fan. The blue looks is a bit washed out in the player photos, and I've no idea what the god-awful pattern is in the claret body, or why it couldn't have just been plain claret.
My least favourite kit in a while. I haven't bought one since our promotion season, and won't be this year either.
I'm sure I'll grow to like it when I see the players scoring and winning games in it, but it's a real shame that this is the kit we'll be seeing for many years to come in photos of SJM lifting the FA Cup.
EDIT: One positive, I actually think the new badge on the white shorts looks ace.
The pattern on the claret is "soundwaves of Villa fans singing Alez, alez, alez" apparently.
Blimey. If I wanted a visual representation of sounds on my top I'd buy a Joy Division T-shirt.
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I can't decide whether this will sell in big numbers because the team are doing well and well just because they do, or be lined up in a sale in approximately 2 weeks.
It could be a collector's item with the one off badge thing too.
I would think shirt sales have a much bigger link to performance on the pitch, than to the actual 'design'. I suspect it will be one of our biggest sellers in recent years. Good for club's coffers I guess, shame it's not a nicer shirt.
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I can't decide whether this will sell in big numbers because the team are doing well and well just because they do, or be lined up in a sale in approximately 2 weeks.
It could be a collector's item with the one off badge thing too.
I would think shirt sales have a much bigger link to performance on the pitch, than to the actual 'design'. I suspect it will be one of our biggest sellers in recent years. Good for club's coffers I guess, shame it's not a nicer shirt.
Yep, I think you're right, but a classic would bring more buyers I reckon.
I even got one last season when i got carried away in the club shop with the lad. I won't be wasting cash on this one.
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What the hell is going on!
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Just watched the Allez video on Pravda, its a bit cringe (as the kids would say).
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I'm hoping that, as with the world class restructuring on the playing side of the Club, this decision to hold back on the rebranding is part of the world class restructuring on the commercial side of things. Whatever happens next, the Club must clearly come out and communicate their commercial ideas to the fans because what we have at the moment is a confusing mish-mash of strategies. To use a footballing metaphor, on the playing side of things we are now "Unai Emery" whilst commercially we are "Steven Gerrard". It's going to take a little while to sort things out and clear things up.
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£70 saved, hideous!
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Looks like a cheap Turkish knock off. So disappointed with this.
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….I like the badge….
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That’s a terrible looking home top. Take out the shoulder abomination and it wouldn’t be too bad at all but as it stands it’s awful.
Let’s hope we have a decent season, then nobody will really care.
The badge situation is a bit confusing and annoying because I really thought we’d finally lost the Lerner badge and tried to go back to a proper one.
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This is nice if you haven’t seen it
https://twitter.com/projectb6_/status/1671875939880280066?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
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Absolute amateur crap as usual from us. Different badges all over the place. The new badge got voted for by the fans as a NEW club crest not for one season on a cheap looking kit. Whole identity will look pathetic now..
As usual? Does that mean the kit or everything else?
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Hmm, just read they are keeping the old badge around the ground etc…new round badge is only for the kit…..sounds like they may not keep the new one.
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This is nice if you haven’t seen it
https://twitter.com/projectb6_/status/1671875939880280066?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
To me, the shirt looks totally fine in that video. I like the blue stripe down the side of the shorts, as well.
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This is nice if you haven’t seen it
https://twitter.com/projectb6_/status/1671875939880280066?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
That’s excellent.
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Not that keen on the blue shoulders.
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Uh oh it was going so well.
The owners or new commercial bloke are not sold on the badge - it must have finger prints of purslow. Wouldn’t it have made sense to release it next year to commemorate our 150th year?
The sponsor is too large and tacky. I don’t like gambling firms.
£70 - your having a fucking joke ! There is a cost of living crisis HELLO? Anybody home?
Father’s Day last Sunday - what a date to miss for the kit release.
Whole thing is a shambles. Really disappointed.
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Design is fine. There has to be some variation each season and the patterns do that.
But the 180 turn on the badge is a bit small-time.
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Terrible. It's the kind of budget design you see once a year in the League 1 Playoff final highlights.
How did we get this shirt and the badge so wrong?
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I still think the idea of middle aged blokes in particular walking round in a £115 football shirt with the name of another bloke on the back of it is just a bit weird.
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The thing is everyone got behind the new crest. It's new and simple and 1 million times better than the shield .
With it only being used a season and on kits/training who's going to want it? It's not like it's a one off 80s kit...it's a made up badge for one season. It's amateur crap.
Who will want to buy shield merch when the kits got the round badge on? You could not make this crap up
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The pattern on the claret is "soundwaves of Villa fans singing Alez, alez, alez" apparently.
They resemble a load of slugs (don't know the collective noun for slugs).
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so, have they created a narrative to fit a decision ?
The club decides to ask the fans to select a new badge. A badge gets chosen and its well received by most.
Someone at the club decides they don't like like choice / don't like the design / its too expensive to implement ??
So, its deemed that it just on the playing shirts for this season, so the narrative is 'its as a 'homage' to 1982 ? why ? its not a significant anniversary year..is it ?
Its bollocks is what it is
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Every week we follow
The boys in claret and blue (with a touch of orange)...doesn't quite have the same ring to it.
Fwiw I can't stand the orange and what does the BK stand for...bl**dy k*k?
Also I prefer my Lion to face the word Aston.
UTV!
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The pattern on the claret is "soundwaves of Villa fans singing Alez, alez, alez" apparently.
They resemble a load of slugs (don't know the collective noun for slugs).
Parliament.
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We're going through a rebrand of part of our business at the moment. Early stages but one wag pointed out that nothing will change when they discover the cost.
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Bardell more or less confirms the round badge will be ditched.
Fuck off villa, why bother consulting us?
Who is Bardell?
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Bardell more or less confirms the round badge will be ditched.
Fuck off villa, why bother consulting us?
Who is Bardell?
Blogger....p...
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Who is the dark haired guy in the video?
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Fucking hell! Have you seen the video presentation of the kit with players, Villa ladies, 82 players, that actor off Line of Duty and the old geezer with the beard* all speaking the words to "Every week we follow" like trainee vicars doing the Harvest Festival reading? Fucking hell!
*Pauliewalnuts is going to love the subtitles.
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Bardell more or less confirms the round badge will be ditched.
Fuck off villa, why bother consulting us?
Who is Bardell?
Blogger....p...
Oh! Ta!
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John Townley
@johntownley11
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#AVFC's current shield crest will remain visible next season, while the 1982-inspired round badge will only be used across the 2023/24 kits and training wear.
The club plans to further engage with supporters on the future identity of Villa.
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A second referendum.
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Bardell more or less confirms the round badge will be ditched.
Fuck off villa, why bother consulting us?
Who is Bardell?
Too slow
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Bardell more or less confirms the round badge will be ditched.
Fuck off villa, why bother consulting us?
Who is Bardell?
Too slow
I don't live on here you know!
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I think the kit is alright
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I think the kit is alright
Even the yellow bit?
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I suspect Heck reckons there's too much brand recognition in the current badge and has put the brakes on.
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That launch video. Oh Lord.
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I suspect Heck reckons there's too much brand recognition in the current badge and has put the brakes on.
It was decided and agreed before he came in. He's very careless to put a stop to to it now. Did nobody point out the mess it might cause? Fuck sake.
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I think it’s very good of the club to give us something to moan about in what could otherwise have been a long boring close season with no opportunities for a good moan.
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I think the kit is alright
other than the sponsor, the blue shoulders and the claret pattern :D
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I think it’s very good of the club to give us something to moan about in what could otherwise have been a long boring close season with no opportunities for a good moan.
yes what would we talk about ?
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I suspect Heck reckons there's too much brand recognition in the current badge and has put the brakes on.
It was decided and agreed before he came in. He's very careless to put a stop to to it now. Did nobody point out the mess it might cause? Fuck sake.
I mean, it's just a badge. He made the 76ers brand hugely lucrative, I suspect he knows a thing or two about goodwill and brand recognition. Or it might be nothing to do with hin.
But short of making this seasons top a collectors item, I'm not sure how much of a mess it makes? Although if you're bothered by stars or direction the lion faces, I can see why this minutae might seem problematic.
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The good news is we are not selling Ollie Ginny or Bouby if the fashion show is anything to go by
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I suspect Heck reckons there's too much brand recognition in the current badge and has put the brakes on.
It was decided and agreed before he came in. He's very careless to put a stop to to it now. Did nobody point out the mess it might cause? Fuck sake.
I mean, it's just a badge. He made the 76ers brand hugely lucrative, I suspect he knows a thing or two about goodwill and brand recognition. Or it might be nothing to do with hin.
But short of making this seasons top a collectors item, I'm not sure how much of a mess it makes? Although if you're bothered by stars or direction the lion faces, I can see why this minutae might seem problematic.
Its a mess because we were told one thing and they've done another. Using two badges is just awkward and saying the round one is a one off tribute to 1982, no wonder other clubs take the piss out of us with it. We need a settled brand and badge and we've just gone another step back in getting there. We've had four badges in 16 years!
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I think the kit is alright
other than the sponsor, the blue shoulders and the claret pattern :D
I think the kit is nice, was a bit strange at first glance but didnt take long before I "got it". Its def a Villa look and not Burnley or West Ham. Yes the blue shoulders havent been like that before but if you look at the shorts its coming there again and then it make sense, also you can see its part og the west and not the blue arms - also makes better sense to me. Like it very much in fact ; the new and fresh Villa look, anyone? Whats wrong with the badge? Its what I grew up with and symbols best Villa period in modern times and my all time favourite badge, whats wrong with it?
We havent had something to moan about since the League cup exit before Christmas but for me I cant do it here either (my opportunity for moaning though will come sooner or later for sure :))
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The good news is we are not selling Ollie Ginny or Bouby if the fashion show is anything to go by
But Cash though.
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The claret pattern also fresh and new IMO. Without would be more boring.
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I think if today tells us anything, it's that we need the football back sharpish
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I suspect Heck reckons there's too much brand recognition in the current badge and has put the brakes on.
Or is it simply the cost to replace the old badge on everything around the ground?
Edit - not so much the cost I suppose as the task of having to replace it on everything in a relatively short space of time.
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What an absolute shambles, amateur beyond belief.
Yep, our very own 'New Coke' moment. Pusrslow's only been gone a week and it's all going to shit. :(
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I suspect Heck reckons there's too much brand recognition in the current badge and has put the brakes on.
Or is it simply the cost to replace the old badge on everything around the ground?
That would worry me. I thought we were loaded?
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John Townley
@johntownley11
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#AVFC's current shield crest will remain visible next season, while the 1982-inspired round badge will only be used across the 2023/24 kits and training wear.
The club plans to further engage with supporters on the future identity of Villa.
What would be the point?
We already did that & they have decided to tell us to go fuck ourselves...
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Kit looks ok to me. It’s a bit strange that having gone through the bother of getting our opinions on various badge designs, the chosen one might not be with us for long but really the final decision is with them.
I’m more bothered about what’s happening on the pitch, they could play in something designed by Kalvin Phillips and I’d get used to it after a while.
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Why do we keep getting these tacky shitehawks like Castore and Luke thingy to make our kits?
Can't Nas sort something out with Adidas, FFS?
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How can it be a homage to 82 when it’s facing the wrong fucking way!
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Shirt sponsored by a Star Wars robot ?
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Because it's round?
Look, I mean, I don't get the issues that people have here, but whatever you think the language on this thread is a little out of proportion. 'Shambles' etc. I can guarantee that nobody out there in the football world gives a damn about any of this - why don't we ask Everton fans what a 'shambles' looks like; indeed, why not ask ourselves a mere few years ago?
I get it if people don't like the kit, or the badge, or the consultancy process or whatever, but we risk sounding like unhinged comic book fans losing their minds because Iron Man's suit is the wrong shade of rust. 'Worst. Badge. Ever!'
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Don't care what shape the badge is as long as they perform on the pitch
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John Townley
@johntownley11
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2h
#AVFC's current shield crest will remain visible next season, while the 1982-inspired round badge will only be used across the 2023/24 kits and training wear.
The club plans to further engage with supporters on the future identity of Villa.
What would be the point?
We already did that & they have decided to tell us to go fuck ourselves...
Because they realised they offered the wrong choices and thus we weren't making informed and good choices.
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My 8 year old doesn't like the kit. Especially as the sponsor isn't on it.. He does quite like the keeper shirt though.
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Because it's round?
Look, I mean, I don't get the issues that people have here, but whatever you think the language on this thread is a little out of proportion. 'Shambles' etc. I can guarantee that nobody out there in the football world gives a damn about any of this - why don't we ask Everton fans what a 'shambles' looks like; indeed, why not ask ourselves a mere few years ago?
I get it if people don't like the kit, or the badge, or the consultancy process or whatever, but we risk sounding like unhinged comic book fans losing their minds because Iron Man's suit is the wrong shade of rust. 'Worst. Badge. Ever!'
Name another club, or indeed another globally recognised company who have made such a balls up of a rebranding and come out with such an amateurish attempt at justifying it?
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My 8 year old doesn't like the kit. Especially as the sponsor isn't on it.. He does quite like the keeper shirt though.
Bonus for you then, you’ll be able to keep your money in your wallet that little bit longer.
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The pattern on the claret is "soundwaves of Villa fans singing Alez, alez, alez" apparently.
They resemble a load of slugs (don't know the collective noun for slugs).
‘A Wyness’
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Because it's round?
Look, I mean, I don't get the issues that people have here, but whatever you think the language on this thread is a little out of proportion. 'Shambles' etc. I can guarantee that nobody out there in the football world gives a damn about any of this - why don't we ask Everton fans what a 'shambles' looks like; indeed, why not ask ourselves a mere few years ago?
I get it if people don't like the kit, or the badge, or the consultancy process or whatever, but we risk sounding like unhinged comic book fans losing their minds because Iron Man's suit is the wrong shade of rust. 'Worst. Badge. Ever!'
Name another club, or indeed another globally recognised company who have made such a balls up of a rebranding and come out with such an amateurish attempt at justifying it?
Agree
Its the off the pitch stuff that we look like complete armatures.
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Because it's round?
Look, I mean, I don't get the issues that people have here, but whatever you think the language on this thread is a little out of proportion. 'Shambles' etc. I can guarantee that nobody out there in the football world gives a damn about any of this - why don't we ask Everton fans what a 'shambles' looks like; indeed, why not ask ourselves a mere few years ago?
I get it if people don't like the kit, or the badge, or the consultancy process or whatever, but we risk sounding like unhinged comic book fans losing their minds because Iron Man's suit is the wrong shade of rust. 'Worst. Badge. Ever!'
Name another club, or indeed another globally recognised company who have made such a balls up of a rebranding and come out with such an amateurish attempt at justifying it?
There’s probably loads but having not taken much notice of Real Betis’ or Lyon’s kit launches or badge traumas we wouldn’t know and that’s the point.
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It is an absolute shambles.
We’ve got two badges next season and the one they did the protracted consultation on is getting binned after a year.
I reckon someone made the call not to launch the new badge but it was too late as Castore had made millions of shirts and training stuff with it on already so they’ve gone with this nonsensical compromise.
And then made it worse with some “1982 tribute” stuff which a one eyed man on a galloping horse could spot is absolute rubbish.
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We spent the best part of 6 months and fuck knows how much money on this crest, including saying things like this, and it's no wonder folks think it's a tad amateurish.
There are a number of elements we’ll look at. The shape; could a more rounded badge have more impact and work better across different places it exists, for example? Is the balance of colour right? Also, how should we use our name? Is it ‘AVFC’ or should we be using Aston Villa, given how distinctive a name it is? This isn’t a process of starting from scratch, it’s a process of thinking about the role of each element so it comes together in the strongest of ways to represent us brilliantly. It’s not just the crest, it’s about how our whole design world looks, in every part of what we do, from our Academy to matchdays at Villa Park, to our social media channels.
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Because it's round?
Look, I mean, I don't get the issues that people have here, but whatever you think the language on this thread is a little out of proportion. 'Shambles' etc. I can guarantee that nobody out there in the football world gives a damn about any of this - why don't we ask Everton fans what a 'shambles' looks like; indeed, why not ask ourselves a mere few years ago?
I get it if people don't like the kit, or the badge, or the consultancy process or whatever, but we risk sounding like unhinged comic book fans losing their minds because Iron Man's suit is the wrong shade of rust. 'Worst. Badge. Ever!'
Ha ha, this!
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Our kid just said it reminds him of the 89-90 shirt, and this is a good thing in my book
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I still like my macron genting shirt. And my acorns Nike one
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Even if they don’t now like the new badge, surely it’s better than the old Lerner shite and replacing it on websites etc is a relatively simple task. This would at least have provided some uniformity. Then in a season or two they could have said “actually, we hate it, we’re going to start again.”
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It’s claret with blue sleeves and has the new badge. I think it’s met the brief.
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We spent the best part of 6 months and fuck knows how much money on this crest, including saying things like this, and it's no wonder folks think it's a tad amateurish.
There are a number of elements we’ll look at. The shape; could a more rounded badge have more impact and work better across different places it exists, for example? Is the balance of colour right? Also, how should we use our name? Is it ‘AVFC’ or should we be using Aston Villa, given how distinctive a name it is? This isn’t a process of starting from scratch, it’s a process of thinking about the role of each element so it comes together in the strongest of ways to represent us brilliantly. It’s not just the crest, it’s about how our whole design world looks, in every part of what we do, from our Academy to matchdays at Villa Park, to our social media channels.
See to me the bold bit there is a perfect example of why you'd stop this and take a step back, The badge they came up with doesn't do a good job of achieving that specific goal. This is the exact reason why I was always a bit 'cold' on the idea of just going back to the 82 badge and why i thought the choice we made was a bit of a missed opportunity.
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I like the badge, thats my era, the rest of the shirt meh, morally and visually dislike the branding, tacky as fuck. My lad doesn’t like it so might save me a few quid, but im sure he’ll come round or maybe the away kit will be ok.
Ill still wear my 1980 -81 replica home and away tops as always.
Just sign some players and win some stuff and all will be well.
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Whichever of the two designs supporters picked, it seemed fairly unanimous that the old badge needed to go. First and foremost, we wanted the full name back on it.
Now that vote isn’t really going to be accepted.
What happens if we all vote for what Chris doesn’t like again? Is there really any point in another vote?
If this was happening at the Sty, we’d all be rolling around laughing at how tinpot the whole thing was.
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If the badge doesn't do the job it was meant to then they shouldn't have designed it and then told people how great it was. It's not like it can only just have dawned them it would be plastered everywhere for years, and if that is the reason then why did they ok the design in the first place. That's what the design process is meant to be about, see if it works how it's intended to.
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Because it's round?
Look, I mean, I don't get the issues that people have here, but whatever you think the language on this thread is a little out of proportion. 'Shambles' etc. I can guarantee that nobody out there in the football world gives a damn about any of this - why don't we ask Everton fans what a 'shambles' looks like; indeed, why not ask ourselves a mere few years ago?
I get it if people don't like the kit, or the badge, or the consultancy process or whatever, but we risk sounding like unhinged comic book fans losing their minds because Iron Man's suit is the wrong shade of rust. 'Worst. Badge. Ever!'
Name another club, or indeed another globally recognised company who have made such a balls up of a rebranding and come out with such an amateurish attempt at justifying it?
There’s probably loads but having not taken much notice of Real Betis’ or Lyon’s kit launches or badge traumas we wouldn’t know and that’s the point.
Actually can't think of a single brand that hasn't, at some point, made a bit of a horlicks of things like this. Honestly, it's so minor, most outsiders won't even notice it. It's not exactly a New Coke level disaster is it? It's more like, I don't know, when they changed the London Olympics logo. A bit meh, a bit sloppy, but ultimately a truly forgettable episode.
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It's fine. We've had blue on the shoulders plenty of times before. Badge looks good, sponsor logo a bit tacky.
All a bit meh, but I don't know what people expect when the purists will riot if we move away from claret body blue sleeves.
Should be begging for stripes after seeing that.
'Meh' is my response as well.
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I like it but not the sponsor.
(https://i.ibb.co/t880kDn/25-A2-CDBF-ECD8-440-D-BB49-2-AA6-DBE3493-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/t880kDn)
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It’s alright, not a classic. Love the badge though, seems odd we’re not pursuing that, maybe we are, just not yet.
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The shirt has grown on me from this morning when I first saw it. I think it's a fairly modern take on our traditional home shirt. The sound waves are odd though. Villa's social media seems to make a lot of the Allez Allez Allez song, almost as if it's trying to become our anthem, to model the shirt on it is a statement lol
The sponsor, I actually think looks quite good. The gold/deep yellow colour has been used previously and I think works well with our claret and blue. It doesn't say COWS anyway.
The badge! What has happened there! I'd love to know more about this - who opted to backtrack on the 80s badge and why! Personally it wasn't my choice - too many random clubs have that same template of a round emblem now and sadly ours is lost in that sea of generic badges. I understand that we know better, but a lot of twitter seemed to think we had ripped off Chelsea. That's the world we live in now. I think it was an opportunity to be more forward thinking, and one spurned. Fascinated to see what Villa will do with this now!
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Alez Alez Alez is not even our song.
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Alez Alez Alez is not even our song.
It's not Alez Alez Alez (sic), it's Ale Ale Ale.
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BTW i am not watching that clip, Bad English, not because of the subtitles thing, but because without seeing it, i know it will make me cringe so much, my testicles will retract inside my body so far up, they'll pop out of my nostrils.
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It's not great.
How long are our deals with Castore and this betting firm respectively?
Hopefully the exit fees for both aren't excessive.
The badge... proof positive that a slick marketing pitch doesn't match up with the grim, meathook reality.
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The badge! What has happened there! I'd love to know more about this - who opted to backtrack on the 80s badge and why! Personally it wasn't my choice - too many random clubs have that same template of a round emblem now and sadly ours is lost in that sea of generic badges. I understand that we know better, but a lot of twitter seemed to think we had ripped off Chelsea. That's the world we live in now. I think it was an opportunity to be more forward thinking, and one spurned. Fascinated to see what Villa will do with this now!
Think this is a good point. Whatever it's history, the average uninformed fan will think we've ripped off Chelsea's badge. It's not a great look. We might be better off canning this design, redoing it properly this coming season, then going at it again for the 150th anniversary.
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If the badge doesn't do the job it was meant to then they shouldn't have designed it and then told people how great it was. It's not like it can only just have dawned them it would be plastered everywhere for years, and if that is the reason then why did they ok the design in the first place. That's what the design process is meant to be about, see if it works how it's intended to.
They had no choice but to design it. The focus groups told them that's what they wanted. That's the problem with asking the plebs, you inevitably get answers you don't want.
But in seriousness, always asking fans opinions can hold back progress as they will always hark back to the past. Until some prick in a focus group comes up with the idea of a lamp and then they're obliged to design that monstrosity too and stick it in the vote in place of the stand-alone lion, which is clearly what they wanted from the start.
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The badge! What has happened there! I'd love to know more about this - who opted to backtrack on the 80s badge and why! Personally it wasn't my choice - too many random clubs have that same template of a round emblem now and sadly ours is lost in that sea of generic badges. I understand that we know better, but a lot of twitter seemed to think we had ripped off Chelsea. That's the world we live in now. I think it was an opportunity to be more forward thinking, and one spurned. Fascinated to see what Villa will do with this now!
Think this is a good point. Whatever it's history, the average uninformed fan will think we've ripped off Chelsea's badge. It's not a great look. We might be better off canning this design, redoing it properly this coming season, then going at it again for the 150th anniversary.
with the lion the right way round
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The badge! What has happened there! I'd love to know more about this - who opted to backtrack on the 80s badge and why! Personally it wasn't my choice - too many random clubs have that same template of a round emblem now and sadly ours is lost in that sea of generic badges. I understand that we know better, but a lot of twitter seemed to think we had ripped off Chelsea. That's the world we live in now. I think it was an opportunity to be more forward thinking, and one spurned. Fascinated to see what Villa will do with this now!
Think this is a good point. Whatever it's history, the average uninformed fan will think we've ripped off Chelsea's badge. It's not a great look. We might be better off canning this design, redoing it properly this coming season, then going at it again for the 150th anniversary.
Agreed! Also, while the European Cup win is the club's highest honour, I think it diminishes us to redesign our badge to pay homage to an old victory or an old era. Villa are a club that cannot be encapsulated by one victory, as big as it was. We're finally starting to act like it on and off the pitch, so maybe this is a blessing in disguise.
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The Villa home shirt should be classic, simple. Old Money.
This gives off more of a Burnley or Scunthorpe vibe.
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#AVFC's current shield crest will remain visible next season, while the 1982-inspired round badge will only be used across the 2023/24 kits and training wear.
The club plans to further engage with supporters on the future identity of Villa.
What would be the point?
We already did that & they have decided to tell us to go fuck ourselves...
Because they realised they offered the wrong choices and thus we weren't making informed and good choices.
'Wrong choices"?
77% of the thousands who voted didn't seem to think so.
And while I personally didn't like some of the elements of the circle crest, it was the result of them asking us what we thought as a fanbase.
They have now decided that our opinions are meaningless, but are still going to ask us again what we think in the future...
Whats the point?
They already asked us...
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Posted in the crest thread some feedback on situation
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Apparently the next badge is going to have ‘Aston Villa FC Birmingham’ on it.
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Apparently the next badge is going to have ‘Aston Villa FC Birmingham’ on it.
We need to find a similar cringetastic thing to do with our arms to signify Villa, like West Ham and that utterly horrific crossed arms / irons thing.
That's almost, almost as bad as "you're getting mauled by the Tigers" *shit mauling paw gesture*
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Having seen more images of the kit I don't dislike it as much as I initially did (fickle prick) and I at least appreciate it being a little different in style. Ultimately I don't care what it looks like but it's the badge stuff that is embarrassing.
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Apparently the next badge is going to have ‘Aston Villa FC Birmingham’ on it.
We need to find a similar cringetastic thing to do with our arms to signify Villa, like West Ham and that utterly horrific crossed arms / irons thing.
That's almost, almost as bad as "you're getting mauled by the Tigers" *shit mauling paw gesture*
It’s two lions ‘mauling each other’ so similar.
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Apparently the next badge is going to have ‘Aston Villa FC Birmingham’ on it.
"The Birmingham Villains", surely? With the lion facing forward, just to mess with everyone.
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John Townley
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#AVFC's current shield crest will remain visible next season, while the 1982-inspired round badge will only be used across the 2023/24 kits and training wear.
The club plans to further engage with supporters on the future identity of Villa.
What would be the point?
We already did that & they have decided to tell us to go fuck ourselves...
Because they realised they offered the wrong choices and thus we weren't making informed and good choices.
'Wrong choices"?
77% of the thousands who voted didn't seem to think so.
And while I personally didn't like some of the elements of the circle crest, it was the result of them asking us what we thought as a fanbase.
They have now decided that our opinions are meaningless, but are still going to ask us again what we think in the future...
Whats the point?
They already asked us...
They gave us bad options from which to make a choice is what I meant to say.
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Change the text to 'Aston Villa' at the top, and 'Birmingham' at the bottom. Job done.
(https://www.muraldecal.com/en/img/asfs1728-jpg/folder/products-listado-merchanthover/stickers-tommy-shelby-peaky-blinders.jpg)
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I like it but not the sponsor.
(https://i.ibb.co/t880kDn/25-A2-CDBF-ECD8-440-D-BB49-2-AA6-DBE3493-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/t880kDn)
The sponsor is vile.
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We've had worse shirts like the 2014/15 monstrosity but we've definitely had better.
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Looks like there's patches on the shoulders. Shit.
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I really like it but then again I love every Aston Villa kit.
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Having seen more images of the kit I don't dislike it as much as I initially did (fickle prick) and I at least appreciate it being a little different in style. Ultimately I don't care what it looks like but it's the badge stuff that is embarrassing.
Same here, without the blue shoulders it would be fine. Badges and crests are placed too high on modern shirts and their proximity to the blue shoulders only emphasises that. On the plus side, the claret and blue used look good and the shorts look smart. The logo would be better if it were all-white but we've had much worse e.g. Muller, 32 Red, Dafabet, W88 and the worst of the lot, NTL.
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In the interests of adding some much needed positivity to the thread the new shirt looks much better from the back. Also can we all agree that the black Martinez GK shirt is an absolute beaut.
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https://twitter.com/Judes_Journey/status/1671929786921369613?s=20
Interesting tweet.
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Don’t much like any of it, looks like a Burnley shirt at first glance. Sponsor looks hideous too.
It’s a fail for me
Oh and I’m not a fan of the new badge either, the lion is facing the wrong way for a start…
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https://twitter.com/Judes_Journey/status/1671929786921369613?s=20
Interesting tweet.
I thought that when I stumbled across that. May partially explain the badge decision.
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That video, the talk through of the Villa Boys from Aston.... has subtitled Allez, Allez, Allez!
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On the crest… still think the lion looks like it’s falling over backwards, and facing the wrong way.
With the goalie kit it does look a bit like Chelsea, whilst we can say they copied us - most fans will think we’ve copied them. And I think this is a big problem which should have been thought through before consultation.
Kit is okay, average, but having two badges is a nonsense even if it’s just a season
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Don’t much like any of it, looks like a Burnley shirt at first glance. Sponsor looks hideous too.
It’s a fail for me
Oh and I’m not a fan of the new badge either, the lion is facing the wrong way for a start…
I think it is the combination of the shirt design plus the hideous sponsor logo that makes it so Burnley.
The only thing that could make it worse would be some shit in Chinese written below.
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Don’t much like any of it, looks like a Burnley shirt at first glance. Sponsor looks hideous too.
It’s a fail for me
Oh and I’m not a fan of the new badge either, the lion is facing the wrong way for a start…
I think it is the combination of the shirt design plus the hideous sponsor logo that makes it so Burnley.
The only thing that could make it worse would be some shit in Chinese written below.
Yep, I think it's the shit wavy thing that really takes it down. Just a plain and simple design and I think I could have coped with the shoulders.
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I think it is the combination of the shirt design plus the hideous sponsor logo that makes it so Burnley.
The only thing that could make it worse would be some shit in Chinese written below.
Just give Kamara the No. 8 and we'll have a ready explanation for the logo.
Agree on the Chinese script, always looks dreadful on shirts
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Kids kits look like training / warm up tops, but twice the price
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There's definitely merchandise been produced with the round badge, as my mate who works for Fanatics has got my nipper a load of bed spreads, curtains, caps and even a bucket hat, which I shall steal.
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The new shirt is absolutely horrible. Did they retrieve the design from the Burnley reject bin?
Badge - shite
Sponsor - horror show
Shoulders - what the actual fuck?
A mess.
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I seem to be in a minority of 1 here, but ....
If Heck's looked at the badge and then said "fuck that, I want that goddamn lion facing the right goddamn way and no goddamn star" (which is how I imagine he talks in my head), then they're right not to completely dress the stadium up with the interim badge then have to go through the whole process again in 12 months. Specially with that mosaic thing on the Holte End.
I'm just ... it just doesn't bother me.
Like the new badge, but the new home shirt looks rubbish.
You’re not in a minority of 1, I’m in agreement. I’m not overly attached to the new badge, and in fact dislike it for the two reasons you’ve stated. I don’t buy into the fan consultation, as I don’t believe it is ever truly representative, and can be made to point towards any outcome. If the end result is that we end up with a better badge next season, I’ll be fine with it.
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Why do we keep getting these tacky shitehawks like Castore and Luke thingy to make our kits?
Can't Nas sort something out with Adidas, FFS?
The Luke top was brilliant
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The Luke shirts were ace.
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I seem to be in a minority of 1 here, but ....
If Heck's looked at the badge and then said "fuck that, I want that goddamn lion facing the right goddamn way and no goddamn star" (which is how I imagine he talks in my head), then they're right not to completely dress the stadium up with the interim badge then have to go through the whole process again in 12 months. Specially with that mosaic thing on the Holte End.
And if that happened nobody would mind at all, even if the lion facing right (and star) doesn't bother me. The problem is we're more likely to end up with something like an 'A' over a 'V' with a football on top because it looks 'cleaner' and more 'modern' on social media platforms.
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The shirt has grown on me from this morning when I first saw it. I think it's a fairly modern take on our traditional home shirt. The sound waves are odd though. Villa's social media seems to make a lot of the Allez Allez Allez song, almost as if it's trying to become our anthem, to model the shirt on it is a statement lol
The sponsor, I actually think looks quite good. The gold/deep yellow colour has been used previously and I think works well with our claret and blue. It doesn't say COWS anyway.
The badge! What has happened there! I'd love to know more about this - who opted to backtrack on the 80s badge and why! Personally it wasn't my choice - too many random clubs have that same template of a round emblem now and sadly ours is lost in that sea of generic badges. I understand that we know better, but a lot of twitter seemed to think we had ripped off Chelsea. That's the world we live in now. I think it was an opportunity to be more forward thinking, and one spurned. Fascinated to see what Villa will do with this now!
There were many clubs that ripped off Chelsea last season, to the tune of £600m.
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The badge! What has happened there! I'd love to know more about this - who opted to backtrack on the 80s badge and why! Personally it wasn't my choice - too many random clubs have that same template of a round emblem now and sadly ours is lost in that sea of generic badges. I understand that we know better, but a lot of twitter seemed to think we had ripped off Chelsea. That's the world we live in now. I think it was an opportunity to be more forward thinking, and one spurned. Fascinated to see what Villa will do with this now!
Think this is a good point. Whatever it's history, the average uninformed fan will think we've ripped off Chelsea's badge. It's not a great look. We might be better off canning this design, redoing it properly this coming season, then going at it again for the 150th anniversary.
If they’d gone with the Stand Alone Lion in the first place, which wasn’t, for some reason, not an option…
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The badge thing is starting to look like a Purslow vanity project, just like Gerrard was - and look how that ended up.
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Because it's round?
Look, I mean, I don't get the issues that people have here, but whatever you think the language on this thread is a little out of proportion. 'Shambles' etc. I can guarantee that nobody out there in the football world gives a damn about any of this - why don't we ask Everton fans what a 'shambles' looks like; indeed, why not ask ourselves a mere few years ago?
I get it if people don't like the kit, or the badge, or the consultancy process or whatever, but we risk sounding like unhinged comic book fans losing their minds because Iron Man's suit is the wrong shade of rust. 'Worst. Badge. Ever!'
Probably a bad example, as Everton dropped their own crest redesign due to the reaction of fans following it’s launch.
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#AVFC's current shield crest will remain visible next season, while the 1982-inspired round badge will only be used across the 2023/24 kits and training wear.
The club plans to further engage with supporters on the future identity of Villa.
What would be the point?
We already did that & they have decided to tell us to go fuck ourselves...
Because they realised they offered the wrong choices and thus we weren't making informed and good choices.
Exactly. I don’t think the fan consultation carries much weight. The number of people who actually respond is never very high anyway.
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All utter horseshit. We’ll just spunk millions with another bunch of creatives to pump us full of corporate bunkum and present us with a hula hooping hippo. A pox on their London Bedsits.
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We spent the best part of 6 months and fuck knows how much money on this crest, including saying things like this, and it's no wonder folks think it's a tad amateurish.
There are a number of elements we’ll look at. The shape; could a more rounded badge have more impact and work better across different places it exists, for example? Is the balance of colour right? Also, how should we use our name? Is it ‘AVFC’ or should we be using Aston Villa, given how distinctive a name it is? This isn’t a process of starting from scratch, it’s a process of thinking about the role of each element so it comes together in the strongest of ways to represent us brilliantly. It’s not just the crest, it’s about how our whole design world looks, in every part of what we do, from our Academy to matchdays at Villa Park, to our social media channels.
I think the amount that they will have spent on the redesign probably equates to about one week’s salary for Coutinho. I don’t think the money is the issue. Of course it would be better to have got it right first time, and yes it is better than Randy’s MS Paint effort. If the brief for the design exercise wasn’t broad enough, and consequently the end result isn’t something that they are confident in getting behind for the long term, then I’m fine with another change. We obviously can’t go on indefinitely like that though.
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We spent the best part of 6 months and fuck knows how much money on this crest, including saying things like this, and it's no wonder folks think it's a tad amateurish.
There are a number of elements we’ll look at. The shape; could a more rounded badge have more impact and work better across different places it exists, for example? Is the balance of colour right? Also, how should we use our name? Is it ‘AVFC’ or should we be using Aston Villa, given how distinctive a name it is? This isn’t a process of starting from scratch, it’s a process of thinking about the role of each element so it comes together in the strongest of ways to represent us brilliantly. It’s not just the crest, it’s about how our whole design world looks, in every part of what we do, from our Academy to matchdays at Villa Park, to our social media channels.
See to me the bold bit there is a perfect example of why you'd stop this and take a step back, The badge they came up with doesn't do a good job of achieving that specific goal. This is the exact reason why I was always a bit 'cold' on the idea of just going back to the 82 badge and why i thought the choice we made was a bit of a missed opportunity.
Yes, you made the point I wanted to make much better than I did.
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The badge! What has happened there! I'd love to know more about this - who opted to backtrack on the 80s badge and why! Personally it wasn't my choice - too many random clubs have that same template of a round emblem now and sadly ours is lost in that sea of generic badges. I understand that we know better, but a lot of twitter seemed to think we had ripped off Chelsea. That's the world we live in now. I think it was an opportunity to be more forward thinking, and one spurned. Fascinated to see what Villa will do with this now!
Yes, I agree with this.
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Exactly. I don’t think the fan consultation carries much weight. The number of people who actually respond is never very high anyway.
We were absolutely railroaded into the new design. When the options went to the FCG they were all facing right and we were told "Everybody else liked them." I'm convinced Purslow knew what he wanted from the off and made sure he got it.
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Exactly. I don’t think the fan consultation carries much weight. The number of people who actually respond is never very high anyway.
We were absolutely railroaded into the new design. When the options went to the FCG they were all facing right and we were told "Everybody else liked them." I'm convinced Purslow knew what he wanted from the off and made sure he got it.
I think most people were happy with the two designs presented. That may not be the case next time around, or if it's decided for us.
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'Wrong choices"?
77% of the thousands who voted didn't seem to think so.
And while I personally didn't like some of the elements of the circle crest, it was the result of them asking us what we thought as a fanbase.
They have now decided that our opinions are meaningless, but are still going to ask us again what we think in the future...
Whats the point?
They already asked us...
Yes, the wrong choices. I can’t remember specifically what questions were asked in the fan consultation, but I’ve been involved in public consultations for development projects where the questions have been things like “we are proposing a new network of public space with bicycle and pedestrian links, do you think this is a good idea?” No one is ever going to say that is a bad idea, so you just get the answers you want. Similarly, the very fact that you ask a certain question, like “winning the European Cup in 1982 was the club’s greatest achievement. Do you think this should be marked in some way on the crest?” Would lead in a particular direction.
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I don’t like it and everyone should be fired. Of all the shit we’ve been through since 2011, this is the absolute worst
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Well I won’t be buying one
Nothing to do with the design (although it is crap with a crap sponsor)
But my shape is not best suited to this sort of fitted garment anymore
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I think most people were happy with the two designs presented. That may not be the case next time around, or if it's decided for us.
It’s interesting isn’t it, because that wasn’t my impression at all. I was completely underwhelmed by the two options that were presented. The gas lamp very much seemed like a straw man, and the round one seemed like an awkward attempt to evoke the 1980s badge, whilst being different, and pleasing people who wanted a star, and was consequently a bit of a compromise.
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Another shirt I won't buy.
Quite like the design, but can't get my head around seeing the lion face the wrong way and that fucking horrible orange logo for Burger King or whatever it is on the front and the orange sponsor on the sleeves.
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I was really looking forward to getting the new top or tops with the new, albeit flawed, badge. However, I just can't get excited about it and I don't like the gaudy sponsor's logo. So I haven't ordered.
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I think most people were happy with the two designs presented. That may not be the case next time around, or if it's decided for us.
It’s interesting isn’t it, because that wasn’t my impression at all. I was completely underwhelmed by the two options that were presented.
The latter may explain the former.
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Exactly. I don’t think the fan consultation carries much weight. The number of people who actually respond is never very high anyway.
We were absolutely railroaded into the new design. When the options went to the FCG they were all facing right and we were told "Everybody else liked them." I'm convinced Purslow knew what he wanted from the off and made sure he got it.
I’m sure you’re right, but I do think that establishing the right level of engagement is very subtle. I definitely think that you can both have too much engagement, and too little.
Too much engagement leads to design by committee, where the design is trying to be all things to all people, and loses any clarity and coherence.
Too little engagement is basically what happened with the Randy redesign, which breaks lots of well established rules of graphic design. Even a little bit of peer review would have teased out the fact that it just doesn’t work.
I think probably somewhere in between, where different strategies are tested with focus groups would make most sense, rather than a large and clumsy fan survey. But ultimately, I think you need to give some talented graphic designers a clear brief and allow them to do their job properly.
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Because it's round?
Look, I mean, I don't get the issues that people have here, but whatever you think the language on this thread is a little out of proportion. 'Shambles' etc. I can guarantee that nobody out there in the football world gives a damn about any of this - why don't we ask Everton fans what a 'shambles' looks like; indeed, why not ask ourselves a mere few years ago?
I get it if people don't like the kit, or the badge, or the consultancy process or whatever, but we risk sounding like unhinged comic book fans losing their minds because Iron Man's suit is the wrong shade of rust. 'Worst. Badge. Ever!'
Name another club, or indeed another globally recognised company who have made such a balls up of a rebranding and come out with such an amateurish attempt at justifying it?
There’s probably loads but having not taken much notice of Real Betis’ or Lyon’s kit launches or badge traumas we wouldn’t know and that’s the point.
Actually can't think of a single brand that hasn't, at some point, made a bit of a horlicks of things like this. Honestly, it's so minor, most outsiders won't even notice it. It's not exactly a New Coke level disaster is it? It's more like, I don't know, when they changed the London Olympics logo. A bit meh, a bit sloppy, but ultimately a truly forgettable episode.
A story just today about how Arsenal/Adidas fucked-up their new shirt:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65976423
While Spurs are getting plenty of mickey-taking online for their new effort being almost identical to last season's, with similar bollocks to ours on the wave-patterns: "...subtle all-over graphic design of different shapes, including circles, diagonal lines, and squares. The linework pattern is inspired by the vibrant music scene and streetwear of the Tottenham borough."
I went to view properties there last month to buy, the only one I could afford had a box outside the door for kids to return knives into.
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I think most people were happy with the two designs presented. That may not be the case next time around, or if it's decided for us.
It’s interesting isn’t it, because that wasn’t my impression at all. I was completely underwhelmed by the two options that were presented.
The latter may explain the former.
The fact that I was underwhelmed would explain my impression that most people weren’t happy with the two designs presented? I don’t think so. I seem to remember a lot of people thinking that the gas lamp wasn’t really a serious option, so that the round badge would be chosen by default.
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I think most people were happy with the two designs presented. That may not be the case next time around, or if it's decided for us.
It’s interesting isn’t it, because that wasn’t my impression at all. I was completely underwhelmed by the two options that were presented.
The latter may explain the former.
The fact that I was underwhelmed would explain my impression that most people weren’t happy with the two designs presented? I don’t think so. I seem to remember a lot of people thinking that the gas lamp wasn’t really a serious option, so that the round badge would be chosen by default.
That's fine, you have a different opinion on the matter.
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I know we lost in the FA Cup the only time we wore it, but this is still the best away/third kit, imho. Now we're back to the old badge, it would be great to revive it or something similar.
(https://images.prodirectsport.com/ProductImages/Main/247910_Main_Thumb_1095821.jpg)
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I know we lost in the FA Cup the only time we wore it, but this is still the best away/third kit, imho. Now we're back to the old badge, it would be great to revive it or something similar.
Nay, nay and thrice nay. But then I hated the green, red and black Muller shirt which shows it's impossible to please everyone.
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I know we lost in the FA Cup the only time we wore it, but this is still the best away/third kit, imho. Now we're back to the old badge, it would be great to revive it or something similar.
Nay, nay and thrice nay. But then I hated the green, red and black Muller shirt which shows it's impossible to please everyone.
I hated that too, I think it's the worst shirt we've ever had.
I can't believe so many people like it.
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I know we lost in the FA Cup the only time we wore it, but this is still the best away/third kit, imho. Now we're back to the old badge, it would be great to revive it or something similar.
(https://images.prodirectsport.com/ProductImages/Main/247910_Main_Thumb_1095821.jpg)
Take the badge stamp thing off that and the shorts and it would have been one of our best away kits. That badge stamp ruins it fir me.
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I know we lost in the FA Cup the only time we wore it, but this is still the best away/third kit, imho. Now we're back to the old badge, it would be great to revive it or something similar.
Nay, nay and thrice nay. But then I hated the green, red and black Muller shirt which shows it's impossible to please everyone.
I hated that too, I think it's the worst shirt we've ever had.
I can't believe so many people like it.
I’d like to add my considerable grumpiness to your opinion on that kit. Do we now have a quorum?
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I know we lost in the FA Cup the only time we wore it, but this is still the best away/third kit, imho. Now we're back to the old badge, it would be great to revive it or something similar.
We also wore this kit at Forest away in April 92. If I remember rightly, this was due to be the away kit for 92-93 but the players hated it. That's why the white away was retained for a 3rd successive season. (The shirt with the blue/black shoulder thingys). Officially, the yellow was listed as a 3rd kit but never used again. I think.
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Any debate about the kit aside, I’d wager some of the crest nonsense is a result of a (major) disparity in views between the outgoing regime and the new (commercial) one.
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Saw club email on kit, thought Burnley.
Can get over it/will get used to it, even like it if we lift a trophy I imagine.
The badge thing was a surprise and feels embarrassing.
I can’t be the only person that avoided any possibility of a new wooly hat or something knowing the badge was changing, making sure I didn’t get something new for the kids that would instantly be out of date. I was certainly about to get a new cap. Now? No idea.
So to now not know what is going on, well it’s a season or two of minor merch sales loss I’d imagine.
I hope it will in the long run prove to be a brave decision. A temporary shit show of two badges, but maybe if it’s somehow better commercially to go the plain Lion that it seemed would have been the modern evolution (if we must) then before re-doing the stadium, the mosaic better to get it right for decades to come.
Still a **** mess for those of us that had habituated/accepted and were ready to literally invest in what ‘we’ were lead to decide. How to explain to my 3yo the badge she decided won’t be there long term? She’ll not care, she’d enjoy voting again!
She was asking to go to a/if England games have a fun zone. Priorities!
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I quite like the badge, its traditional and it's comforting to see something back from my youth for a change. As for the sponsors I really don't care tbh.
I do care though that the home shirt looks like a cheap knock off type you find at a flea market, despite the correct design of claret body and blue sleeves. The collar, shoulder and that awful pattern, what were they thinking.
And I normally always like Villa shirts (though never buy one).
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For me, it ranks as one of the worst kits in recent memory.
Those shoulder panels/piping, the blue panel on the back (a la Wolves), the sponsor logos/colors are something Brentford would be proud of and the badge confusion completes the ensemble. What a mess.
Bin Castore ASAP!
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I know we lost in the FA Cup the only time we wore it, but this is still the best away/third kit, imho. Now we're back to the old badge, it would be great to revive it or something similar.
We also wore this kit at Forest away in April 92. If I remember rightly, this was due to be the away kit for 92-93 but the players hated it. That's why the white away was retained for a 3rd successive season. (The shirt with the blue/black shoulder thingys). Officially, the yellow was listed as a 3rd kit but never used again. I think.
We wore it at Palace too. A drab 0-0 draw. Unforgettable.
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I know we lost in the FA Cup the only time we wore it, but this is still the best away/third kit, imho. Now we're back to the old badge, it would be great to revive it or something similar.
(https://images.prodirectsport.com/ProductImages/Main/247910_Main_Thumb_1095821.jpg)
My favourite away shirt too :)
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Because it's round?
Look, I mean, I don't get the issues that people have here, but whatever you think the language on this thread is a little out of proportion. 'Shambles' etc. I can guarantee that nobody out there in the football world gives a damn about any of this - why don't we ask Everton fans what a 'shambles' looks like; indeed, why not ask ourselves a mere few years ago?
I get it if people don't like the kit, or the badge, or the consultancy process or whatever, but we risk sounding like unhinged comic book fans losing their minds because Iron Man's suit is the wrong shade of rust. 'Worst. Badge. Ever!'
Name another club, or indeed another globally recognised company who have made such a balls up of a rebranding and come out with such an amateurish attempt at justifying it?
A company I deal with Re-branded around 2018 and as the name of their company was also the name of a famous naval sea commander they decided to re-write their company history to incorporate him. Anyway after the incidents with BLM and certain statues being vandalised and the stories coming out many of these famous sailors were actually slave traders this company had to re-brand again and try and dissociate themselves from this.
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Ian, with that, in mind, are you suggesting that Bella has eaten the African car reverser? 😂
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One of my favourite away shirts
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqdhhCMXgAM-153?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
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One of my favourite away shirts
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqdhhCMXgAM-153?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
''Father, would you mind if I put the radio on? '
'No, that's fine'.
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Well at least we aren’t Bolton Wanderers who just announced their stadium name under new naming rights.
Welcome to the Toughsheet Stadium everyone.
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When we win the FA Cup at next season, the new kit will be seen as a classic kit.
Having seen it, i don't think it is as bad as some people are saying,
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I know we lost in the FA Cup the only time we wore it, but this is still the best away/third kit, imho. Now we're back to the old badge, it would be great to revive it or something similar.
(https://images.prodirectsport.com/ProductImages/Main/247910_Main_Thumb_1095821.jpg)
This is the single worst thing to happen to Aston Villa in its proud 149 year history. A cheap Ellisian sub Crystal Palace away shirt cash in for reaching the “highs” of an FA Cup Qtr Final. It’s puke inducing tones rendered me speechless at the time and I haven’t changed my opinion in the last 30 years. We wore it I think 3 or 4 times, never won in it and it just smacks of the way the club was run at that time, small time corner shop. Anyone thinking this is some classic 90s sportswear statement needs to get to Specsavers. It makes the Glow in the dark Lambert era away top look like a Paris Fashion week classic.
Undoubtedly a complete and utter absolute abomination.
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Well at least we aren’t Bolton Wanderers who just announced their stadium name under new naming rights.
Welcome to the Toughsheet Stadium everyone.
Thought you were winding us up Jon so checked....unbelievable!
But funny!
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Okokok… I’ve just decided I like the new kit.
I don’t like the piping on the shoulders that makes the blue on the top look like a panel, but aside from that I think it’s nice.
Just saw John McGinn holding it up in his signing shoot and my mind was made up.
Can’t wait to see our next away kit, in Spanish red, with no badge, just VILLA in bold across the chest, and ECL Winners 2024 under the collar on the back.
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Well at least we aren’t Bolton Wanderers who just announced their stadium name under new naming rights.
Welcome to the Toughsheet Stadium everyone.
Thought you were winding us up Jon so checked....unbelievable!
But funny!
Wasn't this all arranged months ago, I remember us having this conversation before.
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Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but the new shirt has the old lion facing the old way on the back of the shirt by the neck, so they haven't even got any consistency on the same top.
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Well at least we aren’t Bolton Wanderers who just announced their stadium name under new naming rights.
Welcome to the Toughsheet Stadium everyone.
Thought you were winding us up Jon so checked....unbelievable!
But funny!
Wasn't this all arranged months ago, I remember us having this conversation before.
Very likely, just wasn't tuned in then.
They're still calling it the University of Bolton Stadium on their website.
Still think it's funny...just a pity it's not BCFC!
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If a committee designed a horse, it’d come up with a Zebra.
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Dropped my youngest off at school and it's non-uniform day, a lad came in as I was leaving resplendant in the full kit, looked smart in the flesh. Gave the obligatory 'Up the Villa', got a few off looks from parents but him and his 3 mates gave me the big thumbs up.
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If a committee designed a race horse, it’d come up with a Camel.
Ft
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If a committee of Newcastle United fans designed a horse, it’d come up with a Zebra.
FTFY.
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If a committee of Newcastle United fans designed a horse, it’d come up with a Zebra.
FTFY.
With a black eye.
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If a committee of Newcastle United fans designed a horse, it’d come up with a Zebra.
FTFY.
With a black eye.
:)
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I know we lost in the FA Cup the only time we wore it, but this is still the best away/third kit, imho. Now we're back to the old badge, it would be great to revive it or something similar.
Nay, nay and thrice nay. But then I hated the green, red and black Muller shirt which shows it's impossible to please everyone.
I hated that too, I think it's the worst shirt we've ever had.
I can't believe so many people like it.
I’d like to add my considerable grumpiness to your opinion on that kit. Do we now have a quorum?
I've got one of the green/black/red ones. Wear it for 5-a-side and I like it. So there.
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If a committee of Newcastle United fans designed a horse, it’d come up with a Zebra.
FTFY.
With a black eye.
If Newcastle had a race horse it would end up like Khartoum.
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Watford ahead of the game
https://twitter.com/WatfordFC/status/1672176242638872576?t=OD0vKSg6gM7K2fUgVe1SLA&s=19
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Watford ahead of the game
https://twitter.com/WatfordFC/status/1672176242638872576?t=OD0vKSg6gM7K2fUgVe1SLA&s=19
Celtic have been doing it for years, as well as West Ham in recent seasons.
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Watford ahead of the game
https://twitter.com/WatfordFC/status/1672176242638872576?t=OD0vKSg6gM7K2fUgVe1SLA&s=19
I propose anyone that answers posts such as these on Twitter with "Announce (insert random player name) " be tasered repeatedly in solitary confinement for a year
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Watford ahead of the game
https://twitter.com/WatfordFC/status/1672176242638872576?t=OD0vKSg6gM7K2fUgVe1SLA&s=19
That’s interesting.
It makes you wonder where the sponsor sees the value, in being on TV and all over social media, or being on our fans’ adonis-like physiques.
I think number of shirts sold factors in too, as you can imagine there’s far less Watford shirts across the world than some other clubs, so perhaps easier for this to happen with some clubs more than others.
It also depends on the sponsor’s target market, if it isn’t UK targeted they probably aren’t bothered if swarms of fans are walking round town with their logo above the beer belly.
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I never buy shirts , maybe the old ones in the sale to wear around the house/on holiday or something but with the new badge I was looking forward to buying some smart polo shirts etc now I know it's just some made up weird take on the 1980s crest I won't bother.
The club shop will be a mixture of shields and round badges . The whole thing is a complete and utter disaster and embarrassing. There is nothing wrong with the badge it's simple and has had the fans approval.
This will damage sales in my opinion, as people won't know what to buy....
The crap about looking at our past and future is about as stupid as taking the free cup game away to make it fair .....
Those that attend these fan meetings or have any contacts at the football club need to make it known we are not happy and want that pathetic shield removed immediately
We've had far too many utterly shit badges in recent times.
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I haven't made this one up, honest:
"Play like a pro this season with the official Aston Villa Home Pro Shirt for the 2023-24 season. The timeless claret and azure combo feature as proudly as ever, with the iconic Villa crest on the chest opposite the Castore logo. Piping on the upper raglan sleeves adds some eye-catching 3D detail and sponsorship printing on the chest and sleeves gives an iconic on-pitch look. Perforations under the arms add ventilation where you need it most and a slim fit ensures minimal weight and no extra material to get in your way when you're giving your all on the pitch."
Sorry, claret and what?! And it can hardly be described as the iconic Villa crest, when it's the first time it's been seen on a kit, and is seemingly getting ditched next year. Minus marks for repetition of the word 'iconic' too.
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Agree with Flinstone!
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Watford ahead of the game
https://twitter.com/WatfordFC/status/1672176242638872576?t=OD0vKSg6gM7K2fUgVe1SLA&s=19
I propose anyone that answers posts such as these on Twitter with "Announce (insert random player name) " be tasered repeatedly in solitary confinement for a year
:D
I said something very very similar to a mate earlier.
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Announce Flinstone!
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WILL SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!
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I haven't made this one up, honest:
"Play like a pro this season with the official Aston Villa Home Pro Shirt for the 2023-24 season. The timeless claret and azure combo feature as proudly as ever, with the iconic Villa crest on the chest opposite the Castore logo. Piping on the upper raglan sleeves adds some eye-catching 3D detail and sponsorship printing on the chest and sleeves gives an iconic on-pitch look. Perforations under the arms add ventilation where you need it most and a slim fit ensures minimal weight and no extra material to get in your way when you're giving your all on the pitch."
Sorry, claret and what?! And it can hardly be described as the iconic Villa crest, when it's the first time it's been seen on a kit, and is seemingly getting ditched next year. Minus marks for repetition of the word 'iconic' too.
And what the hell is raglan? Material reclaimed from old rags?
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"A raglan sleeve is a sleeve that extends in one piece fully to the collar, leaving a diagonal seam from underarm to collarbone."
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"A raglan sleeve is a sleeve that extends in one piece fully to the collar, leaving a diagonal seam from underarm to collarbone."
Correct, can look good but generally I prefer a traditional sleeve design.
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"A raglan sleeve is a sleeve that extends in one piece fully to the collar, leaving a diagonal seam from underarm to collarbone."
Azure is cheaper than claret.
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the home shorts look great...gonna get a very large pair for my hols....:)
UTV
The Doc
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I never buy shirts , maybe the old ones in the sale to wear around the house/on holiday or something but with the new badge I was looking forward to buying some smart polo shirts etc now I know it's just some made up weird take on the 1980s crest I won't bother.
The club shop will be a mixture of shields and round badges . The whole thing is a complete and utter disaster and embarrassing. There is nothing wrong with the badge it's simple and has had the fans approval.
This will damage sales in my opinion, as people won't know what to buy....
The crap about looking at our past and future is about as stupid as taking the free cup game away to make it fair .....
Those that attend these fan meetings or have any contacts at the football club need to make it known we are not happy and want that pathetic shield removed immediately
We've had far too many utterly shit badges in recent times.
Agree with every word but especially the bolded.
If there's anyone to email let me know.
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John Townley
@johntownley11
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#AVFC's current shield crest will remain visible next season, while the 1982-inspired round badge will only be used across the 2023/24 kits and training wear.
The club plans to further engage with supporters on the future identity of Villa.
What would be the point?
We already did that & they have decided to tell us to go fuck ourselves...
Because they realised they offered the wrong choices and thus we weren't making informed and good choices.
Exactly. I don’t think the fan consultation carries much weight. The number of people who actually respond is never very high anyway.
Then they shouldn't bother asking us in the first place...
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I never buy shirts , maybe the old ones in the sale to wear around the house/on holiday or something
Did you get the penguin shirt?
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I’ve gotta say, with people posting their tops on Twitter already, the kit looks totally fine.
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'Wrong choices"?
77% of the thousands who voted didn't seem to think so.
And while I personally didn't like some of the elements of the circle crest, it was the result of them asking us what we thought as a fanbase.
They have now decided that our opinions are meaningless, but are still going to ask us again what we think in the future...
Whats the point?
They already asked us...
Yes, the wrong choices. I can’t remember specifically what questions were asked in the fan consultation, but I’ve been involved in public consultations for development projects where the questions have been things like “we are proposing a new network of public space with bicycle and pedestrian links, do you think this is a good idea?” No one is ever going to say that is a bad idea, so you just get the answers you want. Similarly, the very fact that you ask a certain question, like “winning the European Cup in 1982 was the club’s greatest achievement. Do you think this should be marked in some way on the crest?” Would lead in a particular direction.
So we keep voting & cancelling the results until we get what 23% wanted?
Or the 8% who wanted to keep the current?
Where do we stop asking & ignoring?
We were asked for our opinions.
We gave them on the thought that our opinions mattered.
Its not to everyones taste, & there are definitely elements that I would change as a graphic designer, but that is the subjective beauty about design, however the elements that were important to 77% of thousands of Villa fans have been ignored because one chap has come in & is insecure about a "purslow project" & "Becky" from the ad agency thinks we need to be more adaptable with our tradition & history, so our logo can fit better on mugs & key fobs...
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I’ve gotta say, with people posting their tops on Twitter already, the kit looks totally fine.
Ordered mine. Just annoyed I couldn’t get “BK8 SUCK” on the back. You can’t use an 8 and there’s not enough room to spell it.
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One of my favourite away shirts
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqdhhCMXgAM-153?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Mine too.
It is a thing of beauty.
Im in discussions with that chap who was linked on this site somewhere to Instagram so I can get one...
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I thought the BFR era white with blue and black on sleeves is one of the most lovely kits anyone has made, for any club, anywhere in the world. Or other worlds.
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I thought the BFR era white with blue and black on sleeves is one of the most lovely kits anyone has made, for any club, anywhere in the world. Or other worlds.
My all time fave is the Little era Reebox third kit, this https://www.classicfootballshirts.co.uk/1996-98-aston-villa-away-shirt-yorke-10-excellent-y.html
Still got mine, still wear it occasionally for Tuesday night football.
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I thought the BFR era white with blue and black on sleeves is one of the most lovely kits anyone has made, for any club, anywhere in the world. Or other worlds.
Those two kits were wonderful, bought that away shirt the morning it was released. But the build quality was absolute Blues, me and my mates all had to take ours back at least once as the seams fell apart instantly. My wife bought me the home replica a couple of years back, a faithful copy complete with the Umbro logo
Also, I remember having the black and white Hummel one upon release and wearing it on holiday in Spain a week later. A copper staying in our hotel only half-jokingly asking me where I'd got it from, as apparently a load of them had been knicked before release.
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My all time fave is the Little era Reebox third kit, this https://www.classicfootballshirts.co.uk/1996-98-aston-villa-away-shirt-yorke-10-excellent-y.html
Yep, that's an absolute belter. Foolishly I bought the home shirt that season.
I don't buy many shirts but have a mint 'Collymore' away one from 97-98. Still a favourite but like a lot 90s stuff, feels a bit baggy now.
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Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but the new shirt has the old lion facing the old way on the back of the shirt by the neck, so they haven't even got any consistency on the same top.
Only just noticed this, quite amusing really how they could fuck something up so simple.
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One of my favourite away shirts
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqdhhCMXgAM-153?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Mine too.
It is a thing of beauty.
Im in discussions with that chap who was linked on this site somewhere to Instagram so I can get one...
That really is fantastic
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My all time fave is the Little era Reebox third kit, this https://www.classicfootballshirts.co.uk/1996-98-aston-villa-away-shirt-yorke-10-excellent-y.html
Yep, that's an absolute belter. Foolishly I bought the home shirt that season.
I don't buy many shirts but have a mint 'Collymore' away one from 97-98. Still a favourite but like a lot 90s stuff, feels a bit baggy now.
Mine fits now! 😁
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John Townley
@johntownley11
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2h
#AVFC's current shield crest will remain visible next season, while the 1982-inspired round badge will only be used across the 2023/24 kits and training wear.
The club plans to further engage with supporters on the future identity of Villa.
What would be the point?
We already did that & they have decided to tell us to go fuck ourselves...
Because they realised they offered the wrong choices and thus we weren't making informed and good choices.
Exactly. I don’t think the fan consultation carries much weight. The number of people who actually respond is never very high anyway.
Then they shouldn't bother asking us in the first place...
Dave W has said a number of times now that they have no choice, it's an FA rule - https://www.thefa.com/news/2022/aug/05/protecting-club-heritage-20220805 (https://www.thefa.com/news/2022/aug/05/protecting-club-heritage-20220805)
What clearly happened, as a number of people have said, is that Purslow had a designed he wanted so he set things up in a way to ensure his choice was always going to be what we got. It's better than the shield but clearly isn't what NSWE/Heck want so why would they spend the time and money updating everything this summer only to do it again next.
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The kids kit description is basic false advertising:
"Take your Villa pride anywhere, on or off the pitch, with the official Aston Villa Home shirt for the 2023-24 season. All the styling of the team's own shirts are present including the classic claret and azure scheme and the iconic team crest on the chest. A regular fit makes this comfortable for everyday wear without sacrificing your team look and lets you carry your team pride anywhere you go."
The shit logo isn't present, dickheads.
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John Townley
@johntownley11
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2h
#AVFC's current shield crest will remain visible next season, while the 1982-inspired round badge will only be used across the 2023/24 kits and training wear.
The club plans to further engage with supporters on the future identity of Villa.
What would be the point?
We already did that & they have decided to tell us to go fuck ourselves...
Because they realised they offered the wrong choices and thus we weren't making informed and good choices.
Exactly. I don’t think the fan consultation carries much weight. The number of people who actually respond is never very high anyway.
Then they shouldn't bother asking us in the first place...
Dave W has said a number of times now that they have no choice, it's an FA rule - https://www.thefa.com/news/2022/aug/05/protecting-club-heritage-20220805 (https://www.thefa.com/news/2022/aug/05/protecting-club-heritage-20220805)
What clearly happened, as a number of people have said, is that Purslow had a designed he wanted so he set things up in a way to ensure his choice was always going to be what we got. It's better than the shield but clearly isn't what NSWE/Heck want so why would they spend the time and money updating everything this summer only to do it again next.
Exactly. This may seem like a catastrophic mistake, but at the end of the day the club isn't going under and the product on the pitch is improving. We'll have a retro badge for a year and if we revisit the crest in the near future, and get it right, we'll all be content for a decade. I am not going to complain about having a good looking retro badge for a year and I don't think any other clubs really give a crap about our situation.
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It isn't a retro badge though? It's a made up badge that looks like a retro badge that the fans overwhelmingly backed. That does not matter though , they don't care about fans , we're just there to make the stadiums look good/atmosphere.
Look at how Manchester City fans were treated at the CL final
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It isn't a retro badge though? It's a made up badge that looks like a retro badge that the fans overwhelmingly backed. That does not matter though , they don't care about fans , we're just there to make the stadiums look good/atmosphere.
Look at how Manchester City fans were treated at the CL final
... In a 2 horse race with an alternative that was pretty shit and that no one asked for. I'll accept your indignation over this though if you can show the groundswell of support for a gaslamp shaped option from about this time last year.
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Well they were the options given and the fans voted in numbers, that's how democracy works.
We were told it would be THE club badge not some dodgy add on to a shirt whilst we still keep a 'shield' 99% can't stand
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And now they've changed their mind, which they're entitled to do, if they think there's a better long term option. We're not a democracy, we're a business with a customer base whose decisions aren't impacted demonstrably one way or the other with this sort petty stuff. People will still buy the shirts in droves, still go to games in droves. Which would be the same if everybody loved the sponsor or loved a new badge.
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It isn't a retro badge though? It's a made up badge that looks like a retro badge that the fans overwhelmingly backed. That does not matter though , they don't care about fans , we're just there to make the stadiums look good/atmosphere.
Look at how Manchester City fans were treated at the CL final
Well, I certainly wouldn't call it a modern or progressive badge if that's what you are hinting at. And let me get this straight, they don't care about the fans because they want to revisit our commercial presentation and make sure we get it right for the future? Give me a break. People piss and moan about blue shoulders on the kit and the direction the lion is facing. This is a football club, not fashion week. Our name and our history are more important than anything.
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Sorry to keep banging on, but this is just basic ineptitude. The kids kit doesn't have the BK8 sponsor on, because it's a betting company. How hard would it be to just delete this bit and get it right. Amateurish all round.
Description
Cover your net in true Villa style with the official Aston Villa goalkeeper shirt of the 2023-24 season. The stylish black colourway is accentuated with green highlights and features matching Villa and Castore emblems on the chest. Sponsor logos on the chest and sleeves give an authentic team aesthetic and cuffs at the sleeves ensure it will stay in place with every stretch and dive for the ball.
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Utter garbage
The club crest/branding is one of THE most important things , the badge is popular with fans and stands out unlike the current/old/future/not sure badge.
Having two logos is absolutely ridiculous.
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Obviously one of the more troubling aspects of this saga is that I find myself agreeing with Flin5tone. It's a disgrace.
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Utter garbage
The club crest/branding is one of THE most important things , the badge is popular with fans and stands out unlike the current/old/future/not sure badge.
Having two logos is absolutely ridiculous.
Not really. If you look at a club like Liverpool, they have their traditional crest everywhere on their site and go with the standalone bird and LFC underneath on the shirt. Same goes for Arsenal and their standard crest, and the standalone cannon they use on their kit.
If you look at the NBA or the NFL, many clubs have their current look for the majority of the games and sprinkle in retro outfits and memorabilia. The Philadelphia Eagles use their midnight green and eagle head logo 95% of the time, but go back to the kelly green and full-wing span eagle 2 or 3 times a year.
We don't have to pigeon hole ourselves.
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What clearly happened, as a number of people have said, is that Purslow had a designed he wanted so he set things up in a way to ensure his choice was always going to be what we got. It's better than the shield but clearly isn't what NSWE/Heck want so why would they spend the time and money updating everything this summer only to do it again next.
"Clearly?"
I have seen that theory being put forward by a few people.
I have also seen the club go back on their word while asking their fans & customers what we think.
Like I have said several times, people are entitled to their opinions, including Heck who has been with us five minutes, & I would change a few things myself, but the facts are, we were asked for our opinion, legally Obliged to or not, & a lot of emphasis was placed on the crest being shaped by the fans, & we got what 77% of thousands of Villa fans were happy with after we helped shape the thing.
Only for the guy who joined 5 minutes ago to come in & say, "Nope! The opinions of our fans & customers doesn't mean a thing!"
And if he is too insecure to have a "Purslow project" in the club during his tenure, then that worries me about our direction.
They asked us for our input & then told us as fans & customers that we do not matter.
It really is as simple as that...
I have said all I can say on this matter.
I will wait to see what happens when they do the next rebranding exercise & what direction they take us....
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Utter garbage
The club crest/branding is one of THE most important things , the badge is popular with fans and stands out unlike the current/old/future/not sure badge.
Having two logos is absolutely ridiculous.
Not really. If you look at a club like Liverpool, they have their traditional crest everywhere on their site and go with the standalone bird and LFC underneath on the shirt. Same goes for Arsenal and their standard crest, and the standalone cannon they use on their kit.
It's a completely different situation. They have their main badge ie the shield with the swirls at the top, and they take an element from that, the Liver Bird, and use that exact same Liver Bird as a stripped down representation on the kit.
We've just got two completely different logos that look nothing like each other, as a result of a really badly botched rebrand job. The new kit even has elements of both on it, which is bizarre.
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Utter garbage
The club crest/branding is one of THE most important things , the badge is popular with fans and stands out unlike the current/old/future/not sure badge.
Having two logos is absolutely ridiculous.
Not really. If you look at a club like Liverpool, they have their traditional crest everywhere on their site and go with the standalone bird and LFC underneath on the shirt. Same goes for Arsenal and their standard crest, and the standalone cannon they use on their kit.
It's a completely different situation. They have their main badge ie the shield with the swirls at the top, and they take an element from that, the Liver Bird, and use that exact same Liver Bird as a stripped down representation on the kit.
We've just got two completely different logos that look nothing like each other, as a result of a really badly botched rebrand job. The new kit even has elements of both on it, which is bizarre.
Nah, different is different.
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What clearly happened, as a number of people have said, is that Purslow had a designed he wanted so he set things up in a way to ensure his choice was always going to be what we got. It's better than the shield but clearly isn't what NSWE/Heck want so why would they spend the time and money updating everything this summer only to do it again next.
"Clearly?"
I have seen that theory being put forward by a few people.
I have also seen the club go back on their word while asking their fans & customers what we think.
Like I have said several times, people are entitled to their opinions, including Heck who has been with us five minutes, & I would change a few things myself, but the facts are, we were asked for our opinion, legally Obliged to or not, & a lot of emphasis was placed on the crest being shaped by the fans, & we got what 77% of thousands of Villa fans were happy with after we helped shape the thing.
Only for the guy who joined 5 minutes ago to come in & say, "Nope! The opinions of our fans & customers doesn't mean a thing!"
And if he is too insecure to have a "Purslow project" in the club during his tenure, then that worries me about our direction.
They asked us for our input & then told us as fans & customers that we do not matter.
It really is as simple as that...
I have said all I can say on this matter.
I will wait to see what happens when they do the next rebranding exercise & what direction they take us....
They haven't 'gone back on their word' they've realised it was a flawed design from a flawed process and put a stop to it.
Most people accepted the round design as it was better than the lamp thing, but I wouldn't say there was an overwhelming 'Yes!' moment. I know people have been excited about getting rid of the Lerner thing, me included, but I'd rather have some specialists dealing with the matter and there being proper engagement. The whole process felt like you were being guided to the cross on the map rather than picking your own destination.
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Utter garbage
The club crest/branding is one of THE most important things , the badge is popular with fans and stands out unlike the current/old/future/not sure badge.
Having two logos is absolutely ridiculous.
Not really. If you look at a club like Liverpool, they have their traditional crest everywhere on their site and go with the standalone bird and LFC underneath on the shirt. Same goes for Arsenal and their standard crest, and the standalone cannon they use on their kit.
It's a completely different situation. They have their main badge ie the shield with the swirls at the top, and they take an element from that, the Liver Bird, and use that exact same Liver Bird as a stripped down representation on the kit.
We've just got two completely different logos that look nothing like each other, as a result of a really badly botched rebrand job. The new kit even has elements of both on it, which is bizarre.
It's a fuck up, and thank fuck we're only putting up with it for one of our years rather than many.
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Anyway, are we signing this bloke from Stoke to fill out our kit?
(https://i2-prod.stokesentinel.co.uk/incoming/article2767709.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/0_rczes3ng3o3g4y45ms214i2n2962406.jpg)
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What clearly happened, as a number of people have said, is that Purslow had a designed he wanted so he set things up in a way to ensure his choice was always going to be what we got. It's better than the shield but clearly isn't what NSWE/Heck want so why would they spend the time and money updating everything this summer only to do it again next.
Fine if true, but then they should tell us this.
Purslow did it and he's gone now, we don't want to use his design so well be going over it again.
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What has a hippo got to do with Stoke?
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What has a hippo got to do with Stoke?
Potomus...
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What has a hippo got to do with Stoke?
Potomus...
Took a while for the penny to drop!
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They haven't 'gone back on their word' they've realised it was a flawed design from a flawed process and put a stop to it.
Most people accepted the round design as it was better than the lamp thing, but I wouldn't say there was an overwhelming 'Yes!' moment. I know people have been excited about getting rid of the Lerner thing, me included, but I'd rather have some specialists dealing with the matter and there being proper engagement. The whole process felt like you were being guided to the cross on the map rather than picking your own destination.
I agree with most of this, and what Dave W has been saying about how we've effectively been railroaded into the lion being the wrong way round. The way they've handled trying to sort it out it has been amateurish though. Of course if we have a really successful season nobody's going to care too much, but it's a rare misstep fom the club.
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Training/Stadium/Matchday/signing shirt looks ok...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzSvVjGWYAMbydG?format=jpg&name=large)
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We're never going to get a 'yes!' moment with the badge because half of the fan base wants the shit star mushed into and it half of us don't.
If I was the owner I'd change it back to what it was before Lerner and before any of this happened and you can like it or lump it.
(https://sportslogohistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/aston_villa_fc_2000-2007.png)
I'd make the colours more vibrant and then use the standalone lion for kits and whatever. DONE.
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Training/Stadium/Matchday/signing shirt looks ok...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzSvVjGWYAMbydG?format=jpg&name=large)
That picture sums up the whole cock up though. Shiny old logo and name in big letters behind SJM, new soon to be drowned at birth logo on his shirt.
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They haven't 'gone back on their word' they've realised it was a flawed design from a flawed process and put a stop to it.
Most people accepted the round design as it was better than the lamp thing, but I wouldn't say there was an overwhelming 'Yes!' moment. I know people have been excited about getting rid of the Lerner thing, me included, but I'd rather have some specialists dealing with the matter and there being proper engagement. The whole process felt like you were being guided to the cross on the map rather than picking your own destination.
I agree with most of this, and what Dave W has been saying about how we've effectively been railroaded into the lion being the wrong way round. The way they've handled trying to sort it out it has been amateurish though. Of course if we have a really successful season nobody's going to care too much, but it's a rare misstep fom the club.
It's almost as if it's the sort of thing that results in a CEO being asked to take a step back and choosing to quit instead.
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We're never going to get a 'yes!' moment with the badge because half of the fan base wants the shit star mushed into and it half of us don't.
If I was the owner I'd change it back to what it was before Lerner and before any of this happened and you can like it or lump it.
(https://sportslogohistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/aston_villa_fc_2000-2007.png)
I'd make the colours more vibrant and then use the standalone lion for kits and whatever. DONE.
I think at least half of the fans couldn't give a damn about most of this to be honest! The only problem I really have is that hideous evil sponsor fouling up the name of Aston Villa.
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They haven't 'gone back on their word' they've realised it was a flawed design from a flawed process and put a stop to it.
Most people accepted the round design as it was better than the lamp thing, but I wouldn't say there was an overwhelming 'Yes!' moment. I know people have been excited about getting rid of the Lerner thing, me included, but I'd rather have some specialists dealing with the matter and there being proper engagement. The whole process felt like you were being guided to the cross on the map rather than picking your own destination.
They had specialists working on it before...
It wasn't as if they asked Lerner to do it in MS Paint again...
How is it not going back on their word when they asked us to help with the process, made a big deal about our input & how great the crest was because of this, etc, etc, & now they say with some crap PR guff that it is only a 1 year crest in homage to some random 41 year old Euro Cup win that only an idiot would swallow?
The crest we helped design for the future is now only temporary...
Repeating myself over & over to a few different people on a few threads is tiring.
I have said my piece. I will wait & see what happens now.
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They haven't 'gone back on their word' they've realised it was a flawed design from a flawed process and put a stop to it.
Most people accepted the round design as it was better than the lamp thing, but I wouldn't say there was an overwhelming 'Yes!' moment. I know people have been excited about getting rid of the Lerner thing, me included, but I'd rather have some specialists dealing with the matter and there being proper engagement. The whole process felt like you were being guided to the cross on the map rather than picking your own destination.
They had specialists working on it before...
It wasn't as if they asked Lerner to do it in MS Paint again...
How is it not going back on their word when they asked us to help with the process, made a big deal about our input & how great the crest was because of this, etc, etc, & now they say with some crap PR guff that it is only a 1 year crest in homage to some random 41 year old Euro Cup win that only an idiot would swallow?
The crest we helped design for the future is now only temporary...
Repeating myself over & over to a few different people on a few threads is tiring.
I have said my piece. I will wait & see what happens now.
You're repeating yourself because you're making the same over-the-top complaints to anyone who isn't as outraged as you are over this. Before we saw any designs the most common 'want' you could find anywhere on the internet was people wanting the 82 badge back, we didn't get that, we got something that leaned in that direction, and was better than what we had but stop trying to pretend that there weren't huge numbers of people who didn't like the way the lion was facing or didn't like the star, or didn't like it having 1874 on it.
The person behind 'their word' who managed the process, picked which designs we could vote on and implemented those onto a kit design (including the inconsistency with the lion on the collar) doesn't work for us any more.
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They haven't 'gone back on their word' they've realised it was a flawed design from a flawed process and put a stop to it.
Most people accepted the round design as it was better than the lamp thing, but I wouldn't say there was an overwhelming 'Yes!' moment. I know people have been excited about getting rid of the Lerner thing, me included, but I'd rather have some specialists dealing with the matter and there being proper engagement. The whole process felt like you were being guided to the cross on the map rather than picking your own destination.
They had specialists working on it before...
It wasn't as if they asked Lerner to do it in MS Paint again...
How is it not going back on their word when they asked us to help with the process, made a big deal about our input & how great the crest was because of this, etc, etc, & now they say with some crap PR guff that it is only a 1 year crest in homage to some random 41 year old Euro Cup win that only an idiot would swallow?
The crest we helped design for the future is now only temporary...
Repeating myself over & over to a few different people on a few threads is tiring.
I have said my piece. I will wait & see what happens now.
Do you want a round badge? Y or N
Do you want a star? Y or N
Do you prefer AVFC or Aston Villa?
Do you like traditional or new?
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What would your preferred shape of badge be?
What are the most important features to you of our crest?
What should the crest represent?
How do you think we should use the crest across all media, the stadium, kits and memorabilia?
Then,
Based on your feedback, the round badge and gaslamp were the preferred shapes, which if these two designs do you prefer, and why?
You said the most important features were Aston Villa (78%), 1874 (67%) and a star (52%) because the star was a minority request we thought we'd explore this further so that we don't alienate people unnecessarily, and so that we don't get it wrong. Please see the following examples and tell us if you hate, not like, like or love them.
You said you wanted one single crest item rather than any other options. We're not sure this is the right way to go and our specialists said it would make sense to have a lion, a gaslamp and some core colours rather than fixed ideas. What do you think about that?
That sort of thing makes sense to me as an engagement process, rather than some basic yes or no stuff that was clearly geared to end one way.
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If you expect that level of engagement you are talking about a focus group, not broad fan consultation.
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If you expect that level of engagement you are talking about a focus group, not broad fan consultation.
I know, the question is, was their a focus group that had any amount of questioning like it. My point is that the questions were all geared up. There wasn't proper consultation.
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Whose idea was the gaslamp?
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Focus groups? We’ll have candles, bells being rung, breathing exercises and scatter cushions all over the place next.
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Focus groups? We’ll have candles, bells being rung, breathing exercises and scatter cushions all over the place next.
Chai latte sir?
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I'd get rid of most of those questions and simply go with:
What are the most important features to you of our crest?
Then just give people options like: colours, name, shape, slogan, star, lion, lion direction, date, etc. and ask them to rank them or give slider options.
That gives you broad strokes of what people see as essential to consider and what can be removed/replaced without annoying people.
For the ones that are a little more vague (like shape) you can then produce a few options and have a vote purely on that element.
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What's wrong with a chai latte?
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What's wrong with a chai latte?
Where shall we start?
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What's wrong with a chai latte?
Well, without the spicy tumeric, pumpkin seeds and vanilla sweet cream cold foam, it's hardly a chai at all, is it.
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What's wrong with a chai latte?
FFS...I can't believe you asked that question! Shame on you. (picks up his freshly brewed mug to take another gulp of strong but full of taste proper tea with nothing to spoil it other than milk)
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I'd get rid of most of those questions and simply go with:
What are the most important features to you of our crest?
Then just give people options like: colours, name, shape, slogan, star, lion, lion direction, date, etc. and ask them to rank them or give slider options.
That gives you broad strokes of what people see as essential to consider and what can be removed/replaced without annoying people.
For the ones that are a little more vague (like shape) you can then produce a few options and have a vote purely on that element.
Yep, was trying to show what I meant, in that guided closed questions will give a different outcome to open questions that really gauge feelings.
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Focus groups? We’ll have candles, bells being rung, breathing exercises and scatter cushions all over the place next.
I’m always reminded of this whenever anyone mentions focus groups
https://youtu.be/O4CTLW-Ddu0
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Focus groups? We’ll have candles, bells being rung, breathing exercises and scatter cushions all over the place next.
Breakfast on a shovel and cocktails in jam jars before you know it
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Focus groups? We’ll have candles, bells being rung, breathing exercises and scatter cushions all over the place next.
I’m always reminded of this whenever anyone mentions focus groups
https://youtu.be/O4CTLW-Ddu0
“Ok Dr Jazz” is one of the best lines ever from TTOI
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"Claret and Azure" - wtf is that?! I missed that memo. We may struggle to fit that into existing songs. Is that from the club?
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I'd get rid of most of those questions and simply go with:
What are the most important features to you of our crest?
Then just give people options like: colours, name, shape, slogan, star, lion, lion direction, date, etc. and ask them to rank them or give slider options.
That gives you broad strokes of what people see as essential to consider and what can be removed/replaced without annoying people.
For the ones that are a little more vague (like shape) you can then produce a few options and have a vote purely on that element.
Yep, was trying to show what I meant, in that guided closed questions will give a different outcome to open questions that really gauge feelings.
Whatever questions you ask the majority will lean towards as close to a 1982 badge as we can get, for reasons discussed earlier. But just because that the popular option it doesn’t mean it’s the best option.
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I'd get rid of most of those questions and simply go with:
What are the most important features to you of our crest?
Then just give people options like: colours, name, shape, slogan, star, lion, lion direction, date, etc. and ask them to rank them or give slider options.
That gives you broad strokes of what people see as essential to consider and what can be removed/replaced without annoying people.
For the ones that are a little more vague (like shape) you can then produce a few options and have a vote purely on that element.
Yep, was trying to show what I meant, in that guided closed questions will give a different outcome to open questions that really gauge feelings.
Whatever questions you ask the majority will lean towards as close to a 1982 badge as we can get, for reasons discussed earlier. But just because that the popular option it doesn’t mean it’s the best option.
Nostalgia permeates so many decisions in life and it's often really annoying, it just clouds judgements.
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For once in our lives we actually have world class operators in charge everywhere at the club, let's drop our parochial, backwards thinking and go with it, see where it takes us
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If they re-do the badge, don't ask the bloody fans, for fuck sake. Just make a decision, get somebody decent in to design it, and leave it at that.
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Exactly Lee & Risso
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Whatever questions you ask the majority will lean towards as close to a 1982 badge as we can get, for reasons discussed earlier. But just because that the popular option it doesn’t mean it’s the best option.
God forbid we have a badge that's popular with Villa fans.
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If they re-do the badge, don't ask the bloody fans, for fuck sake. Just make a decision, get somebody decent in to design it, and leave it at that.
There has to be some form of consultation.
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If they re-do the badge, don't ask the bloody fans, for fuck sake. Just make a decision, get somebody decent in to design it, and leave it at that.
There has to be some form of consultation.
Would you prefer a lion or a bloke tapping his chest with his fist?
Would you prefer claret and blue or blue and white?
Job done.
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If they re-do the badge, don't ask the bloody fans, for fuck sake. Just make a decision, get somebody decent in to design it, and leave it at that.
There has to be some form of consultation.
Sadly when you are owned by successful billionaires they can pretty much do whatever they want, as lerner did with the current mess. I wonder if the 76er’s fans we consulted on their branding.
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If they re-do the badge, don't ask the bloody fans, for fuck sake. Just make a decision, get somebody decent in to design it, and leave it at that.
Agreed.
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Probably nostalgia with me, but my all time favourite home and away shirts was 95/96, loved the blue away (my first ever shirt) and the home was a perfect match too.
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Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but the new shirt has the old lion facing the old way on the back of the shirt by the neck, so they haven't even got any consistency on the same top.
The pro shirt image had the lion on the back yesterday, but it's been removed today.
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We're never going to get a 'yes!' moment with the badge because half of the fan base wants the shit star mushed into and it half of us don't.
If I was the owner I'd change it back to what it was before Lerner and before any of this happened and you can like it or lump it.
(https://sportslogohistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/aston_villa_fc_2000-2007.png)
I'd make the colours more vibrant and then use the standalone lion for kits and whatever. DONE.
I think at least half of the fans couldn't give a damn about most of this to be honest! The only problem I really have is that hideous evil sponsor fouling up the name of Aston Villa.
Me too…2 crest is stupid but far less annoying than the scummy sponsor for 3 years
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With the current 'shield' looking all blurred and weird on TV, like a 2 year old had designed it I was looking forward to us having a proper , proud looking badge we can be confident about.
They really have messed up big role with this
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With the current 'shield' looking all blurred and weird on TV, like a 2 year old had designed it I was looking forward to us having a proper , proud looking badge we can be confident about.
They really have messed up big role with this
Would you go so far as to label it is a disgrace or would you reserve that label for an attendance a handful under capacity?
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What clearly happened, as a number of people have said, is that Purslow had a designed he wanted so he set things up in a way to ensure his choice was always going to be what we got. It's better than the shield but clearly isn't what NSWE/Heck want so why would they spend the time and money updating everything this summer only to do it again next.
I don’t give enough of a shit to drill into this and get into a life sapping ten page quotation but you saying this is what “clearly happened” strikes me as exactly the sort of thing you normally pull people up on! There’s nothing clear about that.
NSWE were here at the time, if they didn’t agree with it then, then they had the chance to kill it.
Heck has probably come in and decided it’s a no-go bit to say “clearly” Purslow did it that way is unsubstantiated conjecture, and the presentation of lots of people here saying it as supporting evidence is really meaningless
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With the current 'shield' looking all blurred and weird on TV, like a 2 year old had designed it I was looking forward to us having a proper , proud looking badge we can be confident about.
They really have messed up big role with this
It’s never once looked blurred and weird on tv. You’re just making things up.
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I've had a couple of days to look at it now and that Burger King logo is what ruins it for me. Will it come off after a couple of washes?
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Focus groups? We’ll have candles, bells being rung, breathing exercises and scatter cushions all over the place next.
I’m always reminded of this whenever anyone mentions focus groups
https://youtu.be/O4CTLW-Ddu0
One of the most under rated characters in comedy, Peter Mannion.
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The best two Villa kits and badges of all time imo. No crappy shirt sponsor, and a decent kit manufacturer. Just plain simple beautiful.
(https://i.ibb.co/HpJP3Md/Screenshot-2023-06-24-09-05-43-1.png) (https://ibb.co/HpJP3Md)
(https://i.ibb.co/Fn4v38c/Screenshot-2023-06-24-08-59-03-1.png) (https://ibb.co/Fn4v38c)
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The best two Villa kits and badges of all time imo. No crappy shirt sponsor, and a decent kit manufacturer. Just plain simple beautiful.
(https://i.ibb.co/HpJP3Md/Screenshot-2023-06-24-09-05-43-1.png) (https://ibb.co/HpJP3Md)
(https://i.ibb.co/Fn4v38c/Screenshot-2023-06-24-08-59-03-1.png) (https://ibb.co/Fn4v38c)
[/quoteThe best two Villa kits and badges of all time imo. No crappy shirt sponsor, and a decent kit manufacturer. Just plain simple beautiful.
(https://i.ibb.co/HpJP3Md/Screenshot-2023-06-24-09-05-43-1.png) (https://ibb.co/HpJP3Md)
(https://i.ibb.co/Fn4v38c/Screenshot-2023-06-24-08-59-03-1.png) (https://ibb.co/Fn4v38c)
I have both of them tops, they are the best.
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The best two Villa kits and badges of all time imo. No crappy shirt sponsor, and a decent kit manufacturer. Just plain simple beautiful.
(https://i.ibb.co/HpJP3Md/Screenshot-2023-06-24-09-05-43-1.png) (https://ibb.co/HpJP3Md)
(https://i.ibb.co/Fn4v38c/Screenshot-2023-06-24-08-59-03-1.png) (https://ibb.co/Fn4v38c)
That white Umbro one is a beauty. Once saw a bloke wearing that in Tokyo and chased him down the street to tell him how happy I was to see such a sight.
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What clearly happened, as a number of people have said, is that Purslow had a designed he wanted so he set things up in a way to ensure his choice was always going to be what we got. It's better than the shield but clearly isn't what NSWE/Heck want so why would they spend the time and money updating everything this summer only to do it again next.
I don’t give enough of a shit to drill into this and get into a life sapping ten page quotation but you saying this is what “clearly happened” strikes me as exactly the sort of thing you normally pull people up on! There’s nothing clear about that.
NSWE were here at the time, if they didn’t agree with it then, then they had the chance to kill it.
Heck has probably come in and decided it’s a no-go bit to say “clearly” Purslow did it that way is unsubstantiated conjecture, and the presentation of lots of people here saying it as supporting evidence is really meaningless
I think the way I've written that just isn't as clear as I intended. What I'm getting at is that before the 'process' started I think it's pretty clear that a round badge with the lion flipped around is what Purslow wanted and that the club in general were happy with. All of the fan engagement happened with the intent that he'd get what he wanted all along, which is why there was no vote on which way the lion was facing, for example. I don't even see it as a problem, I'd expect any company to do the same thing because branding is far too important, and in the case of a football club, emotive to let it be designed purely by focus groups and votes.
To put it another way I'd be amazed if most of the core elements of the new badge weren't in the initial design brief before any of the consultation started.
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I'm not sure whether it's what Purslow wanted or what Fluffy Media thought was the minimum they could get away with to justify their fees - Becky the junior account manager could have found out in half an hour online that a round badge with a star is the social media design of choice. What I do know is that all the consultation was skewed towards getting the one that won the vote.
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Yes, I'm not sure that Purslow would have had a particular dog in the fight. He'd probably just heard from all the fan consultation meetings that it needed to be something vaguely 1982ish, and went with that on the advice of the marketing
twats company, after rigging the vote in that direction.
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Yes, I'm not sure that Purslow would have had a particular dog in the fight. He'd probably just heard from all the fan consultation meetings that it needed to be something vaguely 1982ish, and went with that on the advice of the marketing twats company, after rigging the vote in that direction.
With the gaslamp nonsense thrown in to show that Josh and Charlie the account managers heading up the project had been paying attention.
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It didn't even look like a f**king gas lamp.
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That white Umbro one is a beauty. Once saw a bloke wearing that in Tokyo and chased him down the street to tell him how happy I was to see such a sight.
Chased him down 😂😂😂
Is a nice shirt though.
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The best two Villa kits and badges of all time imo. No crappy shirt sponsor, and a decent kit manufacturer. Just plain simple beautiful.
(https://i.ibb.co/HpJP3Md/Screenshot-2023-06-24-09-05-43-1.png) (https://ibb.co/HpJP3Md)
(https://i.ibb.co/Fn4v38c/Screenshot-2023-06-24-08-59-03-1.png) (https://ibb.co/Fn4v38c)
That white Umbro one is a beauty. Once saw a bloke wearing that in Tokyo and chased him down the street to tell him how happy I was to see such a sight.
A few years ago Umbro re-released those. I bought them both. Actually made by Umbro, too, really nice quality.
I wear the white one a lot whilst on my daily walk.
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The best two Villa kits and badges of all time imo. No crappy shirt sponsor, and a decent kit manufacturer. Just plain simple beautiful.
That white Umbro one is a beauty. Once saw a bloke wearing that in Tokyo and chased him down the street to tell him how happy I was to see such a sight.
A few years ago Umbro re-released those. I bought them both. Actually made by Umbro, too, really nice quality.
I wear the white one a lot whilst on my daily walk.
You're probably just letting nostalgia "cloud" your judgment. :(
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My original one.... still just about in use today...
(https://i.ibb.co/vJ6H2YM/PXL-20220101-150412266.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vJ6H2YM)
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With the current 'shield' looking all blurred and weird on TV, like a 2 year old had designed it I was looking forward to us having a proper , proud looking badge we can be confident about.
They really have messed up big role with this
Your TV is a disgrace.
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My original one.... still just about in use today...
(https://i.ibb.co/vJ6H2YM/PXL-20220101-150412266.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vJ6H2YM)
An absolute beauty!
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The best two Villa kits and badges of all time imo. No crappy shirt sponsor, and a decent kit manufacturer. Just plain simple beautiful.
That white Umbro one is a beauty. Once saw a bloke wearing that in Tokyo and chased him down the street to tell him how happy I was to see such a sight.
A few years ago Umbro re-released those. I bought them both. Actually made by Umbro, too, really nice quality.
I wear the white one a lot whilst on my daily walk.
You're probably just letting nostalgia "cloud" your judgment. :(
Buying a nice shirt from the past isn't the same thing though is it? I'd buy those shirts as well because they're, well, nice shirts.
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Thank you to whoever put up that link to the chap on Instagram for the retro shirts.
I have an 89/90 away shirt in the works & my beady little eye on the home one from the same year in my future plans...
I apologise for not knowing who posted the link, but this thread has moved on a lot since it was posted.
But thank you. 👍
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Im sure someone showed me the white away shirt last night .
I kinda liked it and he hated it . not sure it was the right one had two small squares grey and blue on the shoulder , would have preferred the grey being claret maybe
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Looks like it's not just us having kit issues. From the BBC:
Arsenal have withdrawn their new £110 home shirt from sale while a "design error" is corrected.
The shirt honours the 'Invincibles' season, 20 years on from when Arsene Wenger's side went unbeaten throughout an entire Premier League campaign.
However, it incorrectly recorded the results achieved by Arsenal in the 2003-04 campaign.
Kit manufacturer Adidas said fans who have already bought the shirt would be refunded.
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One of our additional kits may have leaked on DHGate, strange it doesn’t have the badge or the correct sleeve sponsor though?
https://www.dhgate.com/product/2022-2023-aston-soccer-jerseys-kamara-villa/841091927.html?f=bm%7Caff%7Cmainad%7C%7Cpreciso%7Caff_sub=clear1%7C%7C%7C%7C%7C%7C%7C#s1-16-7%7C3899474234:16
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If real, that away kit is very nice indeed.
EDIT: They’re clearly knock offs, mind. Look at the prices
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the home shirt is much better in reality than on the pictures
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We have gone down the route Adidas would love - a generic shirt that could be provided for West Spam, Burnley or us. Just stick a badge and stickers on
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I saw one of the Villa Vloggers on YT reviewing the new top from the Villa shop this morning. Looks to me like he was trying to make the best of the 70+ sheets he'd just shelled out for. It still looks shite btw.
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My original one.... still just about in use today...
(https://i.ibb.co/vJ6H2YM/PXL-20220101-150412266.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vJ6H2YM)
I always thought this would be good for a 3 stripes Adidas kit with a nod to the old
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So I've seen a few of the home shirts being worn this weekend and they are much nicer shirts in person, although also much nicer without the shitty sponsor logo, although kids appear to actually want the sponsor on the kits as they think it looks more complete. The shirts are quite a nice design in real life though. The badge is great too, apart from the lion just painfully facing the wrong bloody way. It's like he's lost or something. It's just all wrong. I'm coming to this thread a bit late so apologies if anyone has expressed this view already.
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Nah, no one has said the lion is facing the wrong way.
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Nah, no one has said the lion is facing the wrong way.
But… when ur wearing the shirt, looking down at him, isn’t he then facing the right way? On his head.
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Nah, no one has said the lion is facing the wrong way.
Should probably point it out then, oraybe it's just me....
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Nah, no one has said the lion is facing the wrong way.
But… when ur wearing the shirt, looking down at him, isn’t he then facing the right way? On his head.
He'd be looking the right way if you saw yourself in a mirror too, surely?
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Saw someone in Asda yesterday wearing one. Looked better in the flesh
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Mine arrived today, I quite like it in all fairness.
Though perplexed to see the label describing the colour as “RHODODENDRON/SERENITY”.
We are the b*****ds in rhododendron and serenity!
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that's the kind of shit that needs to stop. Get the claret and blue right and consistent kit to kit, manufacturer to manufacturer. Call it claret and blue only and forever. Not what some fucking Pantone chip says it is. I know it's a little thing but it's not a little thing if you want to connect with your audience. Just gives the impression of being out of touch.
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Unai Emery's rhododendron and serenity army!
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I think I prefer it to azure! If you're gonna get the colours wrong, do it gratuitously.
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Years ago on one of the U.S. tours the American commentator said we played in claret and cobalt.
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that's the kind of shit that needs to stop. Get the claret and blue right and consistent kit to kit, manufacturer to manufacturer. Call it claret and blue only and forever. Not what some fucking Pantone chip says it is. I know it's a little thing but it's not a little thing if you want to connect with your audience. Just gives the impression of being out of touch.
I don't understand why there aren't set CMYK, RGB, etc, values for our specific claret & blue.
The manufacturers cant go wrong then because its just numbers...
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Years ago on one of the U.S. tours the American commentator said we played in claret and cobalt.
Cobalt blue is a lovely colour but our sleeves have never been that shade. The hoops on our 1874 home shirt was probably the closest we got to cobalt.
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that's the kind of shit that needs to stop. Get the claret and blue right and consistent kit to kit, manufacturer to manufacturer. Call it claret and blue only and forever. Not what some fucking Pantone chip says it is. I know it's a little thing but it's not a little thing if you want to connect with your audience. Just gives the impression of being out of touch.
I don't understand why there aren't set CMYK, RGB, etc, values for our specific claret & blue.
The manufacturers cant go wrong then because its just numbers...
I'm sure there is. Colours can change with light and material but we seem to be all over the place. Our badge and kit haven't even matched recently.
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Years ago on one of the U.S. tours the American commentator said we played in claret and cobalt.
"The goooooaaal scoorer for Aaaaston Villa, Gaaabrieaalll Agg...bronlaboar"
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https://teamcolorcodes.com/aston-villa-fc-color-codes/#:~:text=Aston%20Villa%20colors%20RGB%20codes,%2C%205)%20for%20yellow%20colour.
https://someoneinlondon.com/projects/the-claws-are-out
The first is the colour codes, in all varieties. The second is the design company who did the badge in 2016 and their brief.
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I saw this on Twitter and thought I'd share here:
https://twitter.com/bwfs_rp/status/1674059001686835200?s=20
I briefly skimmed comments and the vid is more just as a before / after thing I think.
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I saw this on Twitter and thought I'd share here:
https://twitter.com/bwfs_rp/status/1674059001686835200?s=20
I briefly skimmed comments and the vid is more just as a before / after thing I think.
I saw that too.
As much as its a great idea, and extra £10 on top of £70, plus the faff of sending it away and hoping it comes back (unburnt) is too much of a ballache.
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I don't understand why the kids kits are without the sponsor but the adults isn't available to buy without. You could have an addict or somebody from a religious group where gambling is forbidden who would like the shirt but would not buy it with that plastered on the front
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Bit of a tangent, but a lovely nod to Archibald Leitch on the new Everton shirt
https://twitter.com/hummel1923/status/1674316816317915137?s=46&t=fPyiXcae7CCzHj_x8UdphA
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Bit of a tangent, but a lovely nod to Archibald Leitch on the new Everton shirt
https://twitter.com/hummel1923/status/1674316816317915137?s=46&t=fPyiXcae7CCzHj_x8UdphA
I love that.
Fuck Castore and their rubbish
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I saw this on Twitter and thought I'd share here:
https://twitter.com/bwfs_rp/status/1674059001686835200?s=20
I briefly skimmed comments and the vid is more just as a before / after thing I think.
I saw that too.
As much as its a great idea, and extra £10 on top of £70, plus the faff of sending it away and hoping it comes back (unburnt) is too much of a ballache.
He says there are no little bobbles in a pic below as well but there absolutely is.
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New shirt arrived today, as I have a weird compulsion to wear the latest one for 5 aside. It’s shit. Poor quality, and both sponsors look horrible.
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New shirt arrived today, as I have a weird compulsion to wear the latest one for 5 aside. It’s shit. Poor quality, and both sponsors look horrible.
Won't be bothering with it mate, so appreciate this confirmation that it's wank.
Hopefully the away or third are better, but Castore need to be binned off as soon as possible.
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https://www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/news/20232/june/reds-launch-2324-kits/
How about this but in claret and blue? 😀
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https://www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/news/20232/june/reds-launch-2324-kits/
How about this but in claret and blue? 😀
We have no room to complain.
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New shirt arrived today, as I have a weird compulsion to wear the latest one for 5 aside. It’s shit. Poor quality, and both sponsors look horrible.
:(
Castore out.
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https://www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/news/20232/june/reds-launch-2324-kits/
How about this but in claret and blue? 😀
We have no room to complain.
After watching that Heck video & seeing what he did to the 76er 'kits', Im a little afraid that this is what we might end up with, lol...
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https://www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/news/20232/june/reds-launch-2324-kits/
How about this but in claret and blue? 😀
We have no room to complain.
After watching that Heck video & seeing what he did to the 76er 'kits', Im a little afraid that this is what we might end up with, lol...
Ha, no chance. Living in Philadelphia now, I can tell you that the sixers brand is far more simple than it was just 8-10 years ago. Our mascot used to be a Sons of Anarchy themed Rabbit and our colors became black, red and gold. Heck did a great job, he got us our colors, traditional logo and identity back. His biggest faux pas was probably the Boat House Row jerseys. I thought they were awesome, but the city didn’t take too kindly to having the outline of one of the nicest sectors of the city on the front.
People will complain about anything, but I thought they were awesome.
https://deadspin.com/what-the-heck-sixers-honcho-airballs-with-boathouse-ro-1845676448
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https://www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/news/20232/june/reds-launch-2324-kits/
How about this but in claret and blue? 😀
their sponsor is better 😳
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https://www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/news/20232/june/reds-launch-2324-kits/
How about this but in claret and blue? 😀
Only worth considering when we win our 6th European Cup/CL. Some here will like it though as it doesn't have a star in the crest.
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Just out of interest, what was the general fan reaction to the 18/19 home kit, the one that didn't have blue sleeves?
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Just out of interest, what was the general fan reaction to the 18/19 home kit, the one that didn't have blue sleeves?
Dan Bardell reckoned they were the best kits we'd ever had.
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Just out of interest, what was the general fan reaction to the 18/19 home kit, the one that didn't have blue sleeves?
Personally, I thought it was an abomination.
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Just out of interest, what was the general fan reaction to the 18/19 home kit, the one that didn't have blue sleeves?
Dan Bardell reckoned they were the best kits we'd ever had.
Who?
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Just out of interest, what was the general fan reaction to the 18/19 home kit, the one that didn't have blue sleeves?
Didn’t like any of them.
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Just out of interest, what was the general fan reaction to the 18/19 home kit, the one that didn't have blue sleeves?
Think it was fairly mixed but I liked both the design and the quality. Really wish I'd bought one and think it will considered be a classic in years to come.
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Just out of interest, what was the general fan reaction to the 18/19 home kit, the one that didn't have blue sleeves?
Think it was fairly mixed but I liked both the design and the quality. Really wish I'd bought one and think it will considered be a classic in years to come.
Yeah, I quite liked it. It's rare we do something so "drastically" different with the home shirt. I was just trying to figure out if it would work as an away shirt if the colours were switched around.
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I wasn't a fan of it. None of my mates were either.
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I quite liked it but I think that’s partly down to happy memories around the unbeaten run and the play offs.
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I said at the time and I'll say now that someone did a social media marketing job on that one, saying how good it was so that it was immediately regarded as a classic.
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Just out of interest, what was the general fan reaction to the 18/19 home kit, the one that didn't have blue sleeves?
Dan Bardell reckoned they were the best kits we'd ever had.
I’m not saying that it has in any way influenced his opinion, but by some strange coincidence Dan Bardell’s Villa View is sponsored by Luke.
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Maybe there was a bit of that going on but you can't deny those kits are much smarter and better quality than what we've had since then. The exception maybe being the 7-2 season shirt. That was really nice but unfortunately fitted like a wetsuit.
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Just out of interest, what was the general fan reaction to the 18/19 home kit, the one that didn't have blue sleeves?
Think it was fairly mixed but I liked both the design and the quality. Really wish I'd bought one and think it will considered be a classic in years to come.
I had to pay a pretty penny a few years back for both off eBay, but compared to what I sometimes see them going for nowadays, it wasn't so expensive
I like the away more than the home, and never liked the third from that season at all, but the quality of the material is very nice on every one of them.
Last season's away is also decent quality, but every time I wear it, I feel a bit Man City
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I found the shade of claret closest to 1995/96, my first kit. So I liked the LUKE kits for that reason alone.
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Who's Dan Bardell?
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Who's Dan Bardell?
:D
I've seen this question asked a few times on here.
He's one of our social media / YouTube lot.
He's ok to be fair.
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Who's Dan Bardell?
Really are people still falling for this!!!!!!
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You are supposed to watch from afar, not say anything and see others fall for it. :-/
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Who's Dan Bardell?
Really are people still falling for this!!!!!!
I evidently did :D
Not that I really understand the whole background behind it.
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I think you've seen it asked a few times by me mainly.
It basically means "Who cares what he says?"
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I think you've seen it asked a few times by me mainly.
It basically means "Who cares what he says?"
Ha!
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That his username above on instagram mate. Drop him a message.
That Instagram doesn't look right. Just include a link
https://instagram.com/mrc_1103?igshid=ZWQyN2ExYTkwZQ==
Got one of those old ones off the fella, decent quality.
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There's alway someone worse off than you. https://store.liverpoolfc.com/kit
I feel fairly safe in predicting that our new away shirt will be better.
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There's alway someone worse off than you. https://store.liverpoolfc.com/kit
I feel fairly safe in predicting that our new away shirt will be better.
Have to admit that I quite like that 🫣
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There's alway someone worse off than you. https://store.liverpoolfc.com/kit
I feel fairly safe in predicting that our new away shirt will be better.
Have to admit that I quite like that 🫣
Me too.
Need to now go and wash my mouth out.
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There's alway someone worse off than you. https://store.liverpoolfc.com/kit
I feel fairly safe in predicting that our new away shirt will be better.
Urgh
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There's alway someone worse off than you. https://store.liverpoolfc.com/kit
I feel fairly safe in predicting that our new away shirt will be better.
Urgh
I quite like quarters but that is horrible.
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There's alway someone worse off than you. https://store.liverpoolfc.com/kit
I feel fairly safe in predicting that our new away shirt will be better.
Urgh
I quite like quarters but that is horrible.
Same here, our 2013/14 white and blackcurrant effort really grew on me, but that looks like someone went at a white shirt with a green paint tester.
As an aside, interesting to note that that away shirt was released on June 12th.
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There's alway someone worse off than you. https://store.liverpoolfc.com/kit
I feel fairly safe in predicting that our new away shirt will be better.
I think we’ve seen our away kit haven’t we ?
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(https://i.ibb.co/r70vzn4/IMG-6238.jpg) (https://ibb.co/r70vzn4)
I don’t recall where I saw this, but I thought at the time it wasn’t just a fan designed mock up ?
But I’m certainly not ITK or anything
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I don’t recall where I saw this, but I thought at the time it wasn’t just a fan designed mock up ?
But I’m certainly not ITK or anything
I'm guessing it's a mock-up given the sponsor's logo is all one colour in it. Wasn't there a suggestion when the home kit was launched that the away kit might have hoops in it, due to a shirt Ollie was wearing in the release promo?
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I'm guessing it's a mock-up given the sponsor's logo is all one colour in it. Wasn't there a suggestion when the home kit was launched that the away kit might have hoops in it, due to a shirt Ollie was wearing in the release promo?
I thought the speculation was because the banner behind him had stripes on it?
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I'm guessing it's a mock-up given the sponsor's logo is all one colour in it. Wasn't there a suggestion when the home kit was launched that the away kit might have hoops in it, due to a shirt Ollie was wearing in the release promo?
I thought the speculation was because the banner behind him had stripes on it?
Thanks for clarifying, I didn't pay much heed to it at the time but that makes more sense. Quite like the idea of doing something a bit different like that rather than another white or light blue effort. That might change if/when I see it. :)
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Thanks for clarifying, I didn't pay much heed to it at the time but that makes more sense. Quite like the idea of doing something a bit different like that rather than another white or light blue effort. That might change if/when I see it. :)
That's the only time I remember seeing speculation anyway. I think when we're so tied to basically the same design over and over for home kits we should do something very different with the away. I liked the blue and black acorns one, for example.
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(https://i.ibb.co/r70vzn4/IMG-6238.jpg) (https://ibb.co/r70vzn4)
I don’t recall where I saw this, but I thought at the time it wasn’t just a fan designed mock up ?
But I’m certainly not ITK or anything
I like it.
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(https://i.ibb.co/r70vzn4/IMG-6238.jpg) (https://ibb.co/r70vzn4)
I don’t recall where I saw this, but I thought at the time it wasn’t just a fan designed mock up ?
But I’m certainly not ITK or anything
I like it.
claret instead of black, then they’ve nailed it
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A heavy nod to the 1990-1992 away template (actually, weren't we wearing it in March'93 when Stan scored his crackerjack off the stanchion at Old Trafford?), no claret required. Job's a good'un.
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There's alway someone worse off than you. https://store.liverpoolfc.com/kit
I feel fairly safe in predicting that our new away shirt will be better.
Have to admit that I quite like that 🫣
Me too.
Need to now go and wash my mouth out.
Seems appropriate as that Liverpool away shirt reminds me of a bottle of Listerine...
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Just out of interest, what was the general fan reaction to the 18/19 home kit, the one that didn't have blue sleeves?
CDBullyWee was aghast. Don't think that's why he ain't on here no more, though.
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Just out of interest, what was the general fan reaction to the 18/19 home kit, the one that didn't have blue sleeves?
CDBullyWee was aghast. Don't think that's why he ain't on here no more, though.
Anyone know where he is?
Hope he is ok.
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(https://i.ibb.co/r70vzn4/IMG-6238.jpg) (https://ibb.co/r70vzn4)
I don’t recall where I saw this, but I thought at the time it wasn’t just a fan designed mock up ?
But I’m certainly not ITK or anything
dhgate had that for sale as our 23/24 away top.
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A heavy nod to the 1990-1992 away template (actually, weren't we wearing it in March'93 when Stan scored his crackerjack off the stanchion at Old Trafford?), no claret required. Job's a good'un.
We wore it for 3 seasons 90-91 to 92-93
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I like the nod to that kit but the diagonal lines are a minus. Nothing wrong with white/blue/black for an away kit.
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Thanks for clarifying, I didn't pay much heed to it at the time but that makes more sense. Quite like the idea of doing something a bit different like that rather than another white or light blue effort. That might change if/when I see it. :)
That's the only time I remember seeing speculation anyway. I think when we're so tied to basically the same design over and over for home kits we should do something very different with the away. I liked the blue and black acorns one, for example.
That wasn't bad but the aforementioned 'quarters' kit was probably my favourite of our 'different' away efforts.
Chelsea have gone for a navy and blue away shirt which is an interesting choice. Have to say the design is a bit different but I quite like it.
https://www.footyheadlines.com/2022/10/nike-chelsea-23-24-away-kit.html
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I don’t recall where I saw this, but I thought at the time it wasn’t just a fan designed mock up ?
But I’m certainly not ITK or anything
I'm guessing it's a mock-up given the sponsor's logo is all one colour in it. Wasn't there a suggestion when the home kit was launched that the away kit might have hoops in it, due to a shirt Ollie was wearing in the release promo?
It was a banner in the background of the kit launch on some of the images on the website.
It looked quite out of place, so did make me wonder...
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Thanks for clarifying, I didn't pay much heed to it at the time but that makes more sense. Quite like the idea of doing something a bit different like that rather than another white or light blue effort. That might change if/when I see it. :)
That's the only time I remember seeing speculation anyway. I think when we're so tied to basically the same design over and over for home kits we should do something very different with the away. I liked the blue and black acorns one, for example.
That wasn't bad but the aforementioned 'quarters' kit was probably my favourite of our 'different' away efforts.
Chelsea have gone for a navy and blue away shirt which is an interesting choice. Have to say the design is a bit different but I quite like it.
https://www.footyheadlines.com/2022/10/nike-chelsea-23-24-away-kit.html
Ah the sneaky blue home kit with blue away kit. I wonder what colour the third and fourth kits will be.
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Just out of interest, what was the general fan reaction to the 18/19 home kit, the one that didn't have blue sleeves?
CDBullyWee was aghast. Don't think that's why he ain't on here no more, though.
Anyone know where he is?
Hope he is ok.
I asked a while back, mate.
His brother, also on here, said he’s fine, just not posting on here.
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Anyone seen Smethwick”s away kit….er….
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Anyone seen Smethwick”s away kit….er….
https://shop.wba.co.uk/replica/away-kit/adults/3747_wba-away-shirt-navy-2324.html
Think it looks quite good and isn't dissimilar to our 2018/19 3rd kit. Some of their supporters might feel the colours are a bit close to ours though.
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Castore are doing the PNE kits this season and their home shirt looks good. Nice clean design even with quite a large sponsor's logo.
https://www.pnefc.net/news/2023/june/pne-launch-new-202324-castore-home-kit/
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Anyone seen Smethwick”s away kit….er….
https://shop.wba.co.uk/replica/away-kit/adults/3747_wba-away-shirt-navy-2324.html
Think it looks quite good and isn't dissimilar to our 2018/19 3rd kit. Some of their supporters might feel the colours are a bit close to ours though.
Is the thinking, "if we have a kit like theirs, we might play like them?" I suppose it's a different approach than coaching and tactics.
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Anyone seen Smethwick”s away kit….er….
https://shop.wba.co.uk/replica/away-kit/adults/3747_wba-away-shirt-navy-2324.html
Think it looks quite good and isn't dissimilar to our 2018/19 3rd kit. Some of their supporters might feel the colours are a bit close to ours though.
A lot cheaper too.
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Is the thinking, "if we have a kit like theirs, we might play like them?" I suppose it's a different approach than coaching and tactics.
In their thread on us one of them posted "I could be talked out of wanting to face them in either of the cups during the coming season" which tickled me.
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A bloke in Manchester is removing sponsors from Villa and other tops for a tenner.
https://twitter.com/bwfs_rp/status/1674059001686835200
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All links to Twitter do not seem to work these days.
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All links to Twitter do not seem to work these days.
The world can get better after all!
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Quel surprise
https://twitter.com/gazswain/status/1676521635434692608?t=pL9xMA6XWCkcjW-xqpAzGQ&s=19
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When I was reading up on Pau Torres I saw Villarael had some kind of anniversary shirt a season or two ago and it's a thing of beauty. I can't link pictures but a quick Google will bring it up. It's mostly yellow with a blue collar and trim. We've had a few yellow away kits in our time. I wouldn't mind one that looked like this one.
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So is there a date set for 2nd and 3rd kits releases?
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When I was reading up on Pau Torres I saw Villarael had some kind of anniversary shirt a season or two ago and it's a thing of beauty. I can't link pictures but a quick Google will bring it up. It's mostly yellow with a blue collar and trim. We've had a few yellow away kits in our time. I wouldn't mind one that looked like this one.
https://www.footyheadlines.com/2022/12/villarreal-centenary-kit.html
It does look a bit like the third kit we had in 1990 - https://www.kitbag.com/en/international-clubs/aston-villa/tops/aston-villa-1990-third-shirt/o-19547999+t-64544204+d-9038013+f-08502184+z-9-3786082273?utm_medium=cse&cur=GBP&loc=en-GB&_s=GPA_CA-KB-uk&sku=37963372&gclid=CjwKCAjwqZSlBhBwEiwAfoZUIO0RuLgh-ZFJldQe1QeLN_O6xJFCcDSUuK9n3zpmrxW4ThatGBISMxoCMXEQAvD_BwE.
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When I was reading up on Pau Torres I saw Villarael had some kind of anniversary shirt a season or two ago and it's a thing of beauty. I can't link pictures but a quick Google will bring it up. It's mostly yellow with a blue collar and trim. We've had a few yellow away kits in our time. I wouldn't mind one that looked like this one.
https://www.footyheadlines.com/2022/12/villarreal-centenary-kit.html
It does look a bit like the third kit we had in 1990 - https://www.kitbag.com/en/international-clubs/aston-villa/tops/aston-villa-1990-third-shirt/o-19547999+t-64544204+d-9038013+f-08502184+z-9-3786082273?utm_medium=cse&cur=GBP&loc=en-GB&_s=GPA_CA-KB-uk&sku=37963372&gclid=CjwKCAjwqZSlBhBwEiwAfoZUIO0RuLgh-ZFJldQe1QeLN_O6xJFCcDSUuK9n3zpmrxW4ThatGBISMxoCMXEQAvD_BwE.
So it does! Maybe that's why I like it so much. Looks nicer in action shots of the players than in just shots of the shirt.
We had warm up tops last season, I think, that were mostly claret and only had a little bit of blue on them, and they were nice. I know people have very strong feelings about the blue sleeves, but I reckon that design would work for a home kit too.
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When I was reading up on Pau Torres I saw Villarael had some kind of anniversary shirt a season or two ago and it's a thing of beauty. I can't link pictures but a quick Google will bring it up. It's mostly yellow with a blue collar and trim. We've had a few yellow away kits in our time. I wouldn't mind one that looked like this one.
https://www.footyheadlines.com/2022/12/villarreal-centenary-kit.html
Don't rate that at at all especially for an anniversary shirt, but then it is made by Joma. Looks like a cheap Lotto shirt from the mid-90s and I would hope for significantly better for our anniversary.
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Whatever designs they put out now seem pointless with the made up crest that isn't replicated on social platforms. People don't know what badge to use for us it's a weird disgrace
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Quel surprise
https://twitter.com/gazswain/status/1676521635434692608?t=pL9xMA6XWCkcjW-xqpAzGQ&s=19
That is terrible , shame the sponsor doesn't peel as easily
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Just out of interest, what was the general fan reaction to the 18/19 home kit, the one that didn't have blue sleeves?
CDBullyWee was aghast. Don't think that's why he ain't on here no more, though.
Anyone know where he is?
Hope he is ok.
I asked a while back, mate.
His brother, also on here, said he’s fine, just not posting on here.
I was in touch yesterday. I believe he was dismayed at the scale of Paddy's baldness and disrespect for classic comedy.
If Paddy can sort one or the other out - through revising his opinion of One Foot in the Grave or through a hair transplant - he will consider coming back at the start of the new season.
(Don't shoot the messenger, Paddy. I know that's how you resolve things over there, but if you shoot me, my mother will press charges.)
I didn't know CD had a brother on here. Makes me more annoyed that my two Villa brothers and Villa sister aren't on here, along with the would've-been Villa brother who died in childbirth. Selfish. They could all be on here to back me up if they weren't too lazy or dead.
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His brother is a fine and noble chap I've heard
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Just out of interest, what was the general fan reaction to the 18/19 home kit, the one that didn't have blue sleeves?
CDBullyWee was aghast. Don't think that's why he ain't on here no more, though.
Anyone know where he is?
Hope he is ok.
I asked a while back, mate.
His brother, also on here, said he’s fine, just not posting on here.
I was in touch yesterday. I believe he was dismayed at the scale of Paddy's baldness and disrespect for classic comedy.
If Paddy can sort one or the other out - through revising his opinion of One Foot in the Grave or through a hair transplant - he will consider coming back at the start of the new season.
(Don't shoot the messenger, Paddy. I know that's how you resolve things over there, but if you shoot me, my mother will press charges.)
I didn't know CD had a brother on here. Makes me more annoyed that my two Villa brothers and Villa sister aren't on here, along with the would've-been Villa brother who died in childbirth. Selfish. They could all be on here to back me up if they weren't too lazy or dead.
;D ;D
I miss CD, his tantrums about kits and badges were great. I used to pride myself on being on his 'lists'
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His brother is a fine and noble chap I've heard
Not what he said, 'bit of a prick' I seem to recall.
I wonder who it is?
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Just out of interest, what was the general fan reaction to the 18/19 home kit, the one that didn't have blue sleeves?
CDBullyWee was aghast. Don't think that's why he ain't on here no more, though.
Anyone know where he is?
Hope he is ok.
I asked a while back, mate.
His brother, also on here, said he’s fine, just not posting on here.
I was in touch yesterday. I believe he was dismayed at the scale of Paddy's baldness and disrespect for classic comedy.
If Paddy can sort one or the other out - through revising his opinion of One Foot in the Grave or through a hair transplant - he will consider coming back at the start of the new season.
(Don't shoot the messenger, Paddy. I know that's how you resolve things over there, but if you shoot me, my mother will press charges.)
I didn't know CD had a brother on here. Makes me more annoyed that my two Villa brothers and Villa sister aren't on here, along with the would've-been Villa brother who died in childbirth. Selfish. They could all be on here to back me up if they weren't too lazy or dead.
;D ;D
I miss CD, his tantrums about kits and badges were great. I used to pride myself on being on his 'lists'
Same here.
The boring bastard.
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His brother is a fine and noble chap I've heard
Not what he said, 'bit of a prick' I seem to recall.
I wonder who it is?
He would say that actually
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Whatever designs they put out now seem pointless with the made up crest that isn't replicated on social platforms. People don't know what badge to use for us it's a weird disgrace
Jesus Christ, do you ever get bored of this?
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Whatever designs they put out now seem pointless with the made up crest that isn't replicated on social platforms. People don't know what badge to use for us it's a weird disgrace
How did you find out my drag name???
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Whatever designs they put out now seem pointless with the made up crest that isn't replicated on social platforms. People don't know what badge to use for us it's a weird disgrace
How did you find out my drag name???
Am I allowed to divulge that your stripper name is Monty Python?
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Just out of interest, what was the general fan reaction to the 18/19 home kit, the one that didn't have blue sleeves?
CDBullyWee was aghast. Don't think that's why he ain't on here no more, though.
Anyone know where he is?
Hope he is ok.
I asked a while back, mate.
His brother, also on here, said he’s fine, just not posting on here.
I was in touch yesterday. I believe he was dismayed at the scale of Paddy's baldness and disrespect for classic comedy.
If Paddy can sort one or the other out - through revising his opinion of One Foot in the Grave or through a hair transplant - he will consider coming back at the start of the new season.
(Don't shoot the messenger, Paddy. I know that's how you resolve things over there, but if you shoot me, my mother will press charges.)
I didn't know CD had a brother on here. Makes me more annoyed that my two Villa brothers and Villa sister aren't on here, along with the would've-been Villa brother who died in childbirth. Selfish. They could all be on here to back me up if they weren't too lazy or dead.
;D ;D
I miss CD, his tantrums about kits and badges were great. I used to pride myself on being on his 'lists'
Ha, yes, me too.
Making ‘The List’ was the pinnacle of my time on H&V
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Just out of interest, what was the general fan reaction to the 18/19 home kit, the one that didn't have blue sleeves?
CDBullyWee was aghast. Don't think that's why he ain't on here no more, though.
Anyone know where he is?
Hope he is ok.
I asked a while back, mate.
His brother, also on here, said he’s fine, just not posting on here.
I was in touch yesterday. I believe he was dismayed at the scale of Paddy's baldness and disrespect for classic comedy.
If Paddy can sort one or the other out - through revising his opinion of One Foot in the Grave or through a hair transplant - he will consider coming back at the start of the new season.
(Don't shoot the messenger, Paddy. I know that's how you resolve things over there, but if you shoot me, my mother will press charges.)
I didn't know CD had a brother on here. Makes me more annoyed that my two Villa brothers and Villa sister aren't on here, along with the would've-been Villa brother who died in childbirth. Selfish. They could all be on here to back me up if they weren't too lazy or dead.
I have to say it's led me to consider my presence on this forum, been very difficult to process the reality when for so long I'd had this vision of a virile young man with the luxurious barnet of Adrian Chiles
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From Adrian Chiles to Adrian Edmondson.
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From Adrian Chiles to Adrian Edmondson.
Ouch!
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Yeah but at least he's funny (Paddy, not Adrian...or Ade anymore).
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Ah Paddy's great, and in truth, CD didn't mention him; he just said he was well, might make a comeback when the season starts, and insulted my taste in music.
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Yeah but at least he's funny (Paddy, not Adrian...or Ade anymore).
Ade was alright as a wanky bloke in Rain Dogs recently although I agree in general.
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Mine arrived today, I quite like it in all fairness.
Though perplexed to see the label describing the colour as “RHODODENDRON/SERENITY”.
Apparently Newcastle's strip is now Caviar/Brilliant White. https://twitter.com/GlennAsh69/status/1674758114044792839
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It's the attention to details that make Castore what they are
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0YBdMjXoAAtlkO?format=jpg&name=small)
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It's the attention to details that make Castore what they are
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0YBdMjXoAAtlkO?format=jpg&name=small)
Good spot, lol... 😂
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Good apot, lol... 😂
There was quite a bit about it on Irish Twitter last week. Castore are rubbish but the current Ireland shirt is pretty decent, even if the manufacturer's logo and crest are still too high.
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Castore are terrible quality, and I still think there's somethong very fishy about how an unknown start up got so big, so quickly. It's definitely not to do with having much better kits than anybody else.
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Castore are shit
Twats
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Quick look at their accounts and would love to know what £18 million of other debtors are.
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Am I right in thinking that UEFA won’t allow us to have a betting sponsor on the shirt for ECL? If so, can’t we get a charity on there?
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Am I right in thinking that UEFA won’t allow us to have a betting sponsor on the shirt for ECL? If so, can’t we get a charity on there?
That might be right as West Ham didn’t have Betway on their kits.
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Just out of interest, what was the general fan reaction to the 18/19 home kit, the one that didn't have blue sleeves?
CDBullyWee was aghast. Don't think that's why he ain't on here no more, though.
Anyone know where he is?
Hope he is ok.
I asked a while back, mate.
His brother, also on here, said he’s fine, just not posting on here.
I was in touch yesterday. I believe he was dismayed at the scale of Paddy's baldness and disrespect for classic comedy.
If Paddy can sort one or the other out - through revising his opinion of One Foot in the Grave or through a hair transplant - he will consider coming back at the start of the new season.
(Don't shoot the messenger, Paddy. I know that's how you resolve things over there, but if you shoot me, my mother will press charges.)
I didn't know CD had a brother on here. Makes me more annoyed that my two Villa brothers and Villa sister aren't on here, along with the would've-been Villa brother who died in childbirth. Selfish. They could all be on here to back me up if they weren't too lazy or dead.
I have to say it's led me to consider my presence on this forum, been very difficult to process the reality when for so long I'd had this vision of a virile young man with the luxurious barnet of Adrian Chiles
I'm loads virile. They've given me antibiotics.
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I never thought I'd say this, but I prefer West Ham's kit this season.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0qeFgqWIAAlrjC?format=jpg&name=small)
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Yep that's quite smart.
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That's a Villa kit, the fckers.
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Umbro are a proper company though, not like the mob we've got.
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Yep, Umbro, Adidas, Nike are the proper brands. I'd personally love Adidas, but obviously the fear would be we'd end up with a 3 stripe template that doesn't suit us.
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Not sure about the red/claret, don't like the neck either.
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Yep, Umbro, Adidas, Nike are the proper brands. I'd personally love Adidas, but obviously the fear would be we'd end up with a 3 stripe template that doesn't suit us.
The Irish brand ONeills have the same 3 stripes as Adidas, and they do some nice templates with the 3 stripes that would suit us. We'd just have to get someone at Adidas to rip them off.
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Yep, Umbro, Adidas, Nike are the proper brands. I'd personally love Adidas, but obviously the fear would be we'd end up with a 3 stripe template that doesn't suit us.
The Irish brand ONeills have the same 3 stripes as Adidas, and they do some nice templates with the 3 stripes that would suit us. We'd just have to get someone at Adidas to rip them off.
O'Neills can only use the 3 stripes in the Republic of Ireland. Outside the ROI, they have to use 2 stripes so as not to infringe on Adidas.
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O'Neills can only use the 3 stripes in the Republic of Ireland. Outside the ROI, they have to use 2 stripes so as not to infringe on Adidas.
Yeah, I know. My point was they do some nice templates with the 3 stripes that would suit us. So Adidas as our kit supplier could work even with the 3 stripes.
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Not sure about the red/claret, don't like the neck either.
I like the simple design but I'm not gone on the shade of red/claret used either. It is however available in a nice long-sleeved version.
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Meanwhile, Chelsea choose to go without a sponsor on theirs...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66152580
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/800/cpsprodpb/16B23/production/_130336929_image-1.jpg)
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An article published by The Athletic in March this year about Castore.
THE RISE OF CASTORE , A SPEEDBOAT IN A MARKET OF OIL TANKERS
At this point, most football fans have seen the logo, even if some are not yet entirely clear what it represents: the layered wings of a bird of prey unfurled in a v-shape, as if in flight
It can be seen on the chest of every
Newcastle United, Aston Villa and Wolverhampton Wanderers player this season, as well as on the shirts of Rangers, Sevilla and Bayer Leverkusen — and those are just the highest profile examples.
It is the mark of Castore, a British sportswear brand that has soared rapidly to prominence as a successful disruptor of the kit supplier market traditionally dominated by three global giants: Nike, Adidas and Puma. In less than eight years since its launch in 2015, the idea conceived by Wirral-born brothers Tom and Phil Beahon — both, in their own words, “failed sportsmen” — to offer a premium alternative to mass-market sports clothing has ballooned into a company of more than 500 employees valued in 2022 at £750million ($921m), with customers worldwide.
That remains small change compared to the three industry titans that measure their worth in billions, but Castore’s philosophy has been to make that vast difference in scale work for it.
“I always think of us as a speedboat in a market of oil tankers,” Tom Beahon tells The Athletic. “The big guys are massive, and there are lots of positives that come with that, but they’re also quite slow by virtue of their size and scale.
“If we can be a speedboat in a market of oil tankers, we can have a competitive advantage against these guys.”
Both brothers are natural competitors who grew up in sport: Tom was on the books at Tranmere Rovers until the age of 21 before a stint with Spanish club Jerez, while Phil played semi-professional cricket for Lancashire after switching from football, having represented Liverpool and Manchester City as a schoolboy. The shared realisation that they were not good enough to reach the elite level prompted them to quit and move down to London to take jobs in finance, with a view to saving up the money to launch what became Castore.
When they finally did so — with the help of a Virgin StartUp loan and their parents, who re-mortgaged the family home — they believed the company could find a footing in an unforgiving market, but knew they would somehow need to convince prominent athletes and sports teams to partner with them to gain any real brand recognition.
“It’s a market that has been dominated by a small group of the same brands for a very long time,” Tom Beahon adds. “Any market that hasn’t had a significant number of new challengers is at risk of becoming a bit complacent and missing out on innovation. We intuitively felt that right from the beginning, but it was very much a fight for survival in the first couple of years.”
Tom and Phil had learned the business of clothing production from scratch, travelling around Europe to gain insight from textile experts, building relationships with factory owners and sourcing fabric from family-run mills in Italy to produce Castore’s earliest ranges. The world of elite sport was even less immediately accessible, so they focused on the people around high-profile athletes, gifting their product to physical trainers, coaches and other support staff.
One day in 2019, British tennis legend Andy Murray noticed his long-serving strength and conditioning coach Matt Little wearing Castore gear and asked where he could get some. The conversations that followed with the Beahon brothers led to Murray becoming Castore’s first elite brand ambassador, as well as a shareholder and an advisor to the board.
Murray’s endorsement, turning down bigger offers from far more established sports brands to assume a creative role in the design of Castore’s tennis range and wearing it on the court, represented a transformational boost. It also provided the foundation for the next quantum leap in the company’s rise: the brokering of a five-year kit deal with Scottish giants Rangers in 2020.
Supplying individual athletes and kitting out entire teams with huge fanbases who want to be able to buy replica shirts are vastly different challenges. The brothers had worked to expand Castore’s supply chain and distribution network to meet the expected demand for an August launch, but their learning curve with Rangers supporters was steep and far from seamless.
“We launched the partnership during COVID and the world was so crazy,” Tom Beahon says. “You could get a call from your factory on a Tuesday saying, ‘Those 250,000 units we told you would be there by Thursday will no longer be there’. Like anything, you adapt and find solutions to the problems, but we certainly took some bruises along the way. We were like a youth-team player who got promoted to the first team very quickly.
“The feedback on the designs themselves was positive, but we had a number of challenges getting the volume of kits into the market. I don’t think anything could have prepared us for the avalanche of demand from the Rangers fans.
“They’re known for having a massively passionate fanbase and we experienced the full force of that. We ordered what we thought was a really good number of shirts that would satisfy demand for the first six months of the partnership, and when we’d sold out in a matter of hours we realised we might have underestimated… that was a classic example of, ‘You don’t know what you don’t know’.”
On the pitch, Castore struck gold with Rangers, who ended Celtic’s streak of nine Scottish league titles in the first year of the deal and reached the Europa League final in the second, losing against Eintracht Frankfurt on penalties in Seville.
An increased profile opened the door to more opportunities, as other clubs began to approach the Beahons to discuss potential partnerships rather than the other way around.
"It’s rare for a new brand to enter this market and even rarer for a new brand to enter it the way we did, with a team the size and stature of Rangers,” Tom Beahon says. “After that, we were catapulted into a sphere where a lot of teams — not just from football — were asking, ‘Who are these new guys on the block? Are they going to be a flash in the pan, or are they a serious business and an interesting option?’.
“For us, it was about capitalising on that awareness we had and the fact that these guys wanted to speak to us, but also to try to do it in an intelligent and strategic way.”
Castore’s website lists 24 team partnerships across five sports. Its non-football deals include supplying kit for the England, South Africa and West Indies cricket teams, McLaren and Red Bull Racing in Formula One and English rugby union giants Saracens and Harlequins. Individual brand ambassadors beyond Murray include Olympic champion swimmer Adam Peaty, England cricketer Jos Buttler and, until recently, US Open champion golfer Matt Fitzpatrick.
But it is their rapidly growing status in the football kit supplier market that has garnered particular attention for Castore’s brand. Earlier this month, a multi-year deal was announced for the Football Association of Ireland (FAI) to become the first national side in its portfolio, and partnerships with Athletic Bilbao and Feyenoord are due to begin next season.
This rapid expansion has fuelled suggestions in some quarters that Castore has taken on more than it can handle, not helped by a handful of high-profile quality control blunders: in a Premier League game against Aston Villa in January, eagle-eyed viewers spotted the Wolves crest printed upside down on defender Nelson Semedo’s shirt and earlier in the season, the Leverkusen crest peeled off defender Piero Hincapie’s shirt during a match. Sevilla midfielder Ivan Rakitic took to the field wearing a shirt with no club crest at all.
A small number of fans have reported similar issues with purchased replica kits, but Tom Beahon is adamant these problems exist only on the margins of Castore’s operation.
“Castore has not had any more issues than Nike, Adidas or Puma in terms of supply chain or quality,” he insists.
“We just get judged by a slightly different and higher standard because we’re the new guy who’s burst onto the scene and partnered with some big, high-profile clubs. It almost feels like some people are looking to say, ‘We knew those guys were too good to be true and what they were doing wasn’t sustainable’, so every time there’s a minor issue people like to put down the disruptor rather than encourage you. I don’t think that’s unique to Castore or the sportswear market; it’s just one of the crosses you have to bear as the new guy.
“There have been issues, of course. We delivered north of five million units last year and are delivering north of 12 million units this year — at that scale, you’ll always have one or two per cent of issues due to human error. That’s true of every brand in this market. It just seems to get picked up with us more than with other brands.
“I don’t mind it, because it just means we’re going to challenge ourselves to be better in the long run.”
None of this has prevented Castore from growing its list of kit deals with high-profile football clubs. Part of its appeal has been to offer clubs a more engaged partner after feeling neglected by Nike, Adidas or Puma. Another part lies in its willingness to be creative with the structure of the commercial agreements signed.
Though every kit deal is slightly different, broadly speaking they traditionally work like this: a kit manufacturer pays a football club an annual fee for the right to use the club’s brand to sell branded clothing, and the kit manufacturer keeps the bulk of the revenue generated from shirt sales, with the club typically taking a cut of between 10 and 15 per cent.
Castore’s agreements, however, are more incentivised in structure, with the club receiving a higher royalty percentage as agreed revenue targets are hit. Put simply, the clubs who sign with it have an opportunity to significantly increase their earnings as more shirts and other branded apparel are sold.
This flexibility is part of what Tom Beahon means when he talks about wanting to be “a speedboat in a market of oil tankers” — but he is confident that Castore is not moving too fast in the football kit market for its own good. “There absolutely is a balance between building brand awareness and not saturating the market or partnering with the wrong people, or taking on more partnerships than you can manage,” he says.
"People sometimes think, unfairly in my opinion, that because we’ve grown so quickly we must say yes to every partnership that comes across ou r desks. We very much are selective, but we’re also ambitious. ‘Grow or die’ is a valid maxim in business. This isn’t an industry that values small, boutique brands. You need to be of a certain size and scale to earn people’s respect, and that has been at the front of our minds as we’ve grown our partnerships portfolio.
“However, we always ask ourselves, ‘Can we do a good job for this team? Are they a good fit for us? What are we going to be able to offer them that is different from the big guys? How is it helping us build our brand?’. We try to be very disciplined and targeted in how we go about these things.”
Castore has big plans for its future in the football market. Tom Beahon reveals it intends to make football boots, though he declines to provide any further details — “I can’t tell you any more or I’ll get shot by my product team!” he jokes — and the company is looking at options to further invest in women’s sport.
It may never reach the size of Nike, Adidas or Puma, but all the signs are that Castore is in the football business to stay.
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It says they will have one, just that it's not sorted yet. Nice shirt though.
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It says they will have one, just that it's not sorted yet. Nice shirt though.
Trivago is on their away one though ?
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It says they will have one, just that it's not sorted yet. Nice shirt though.
Chelsea have usually had fairly decent shirts (aside from being blue) during their Nike era.
Wouldn't mind us getting '3' as our sponsor as the logo isn't overly intrusive on a shirt. Over to you, Chris.
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It says they will have one, just that it's not sorted yet. Nice shirt though.
Chelsea have usually had fairly decent shirts (aside from being blue) during their Nike era.
Wouldn't mind us getting '3' as our sponsor as the logo isn't overly intrusive on a shirt. Over to you, Chris.
I'll see what I can do.
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It says they will have one, just that it's not sorted yet. Nice shirt though.
Chelsea have usually had fairly decent shirts (aside from being blue) during their Nike era.
Wouldn't mind us getting '3' as our sponsor as the logo isn't overly intrusive on a shirt. Over to you, Chris.
I'll see what I can do.
Good man, just leave the badge alone.
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In less than eight years since its launch in 2015, the idea conceived by Wirral-born brothers Tom and Phil Beahon — both, in their own words, “failed sportsmen” — to offer a premium alternative to mass-market sports clothing has ballooned into a company of more than 500 employees valued in 2022 at £750million ($921m), with customers worldwide.
Any idea when they're gonna start? ::)
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It says they will have one, just that it's not sorted yet. Nice shirt though.
Trivago is on their away one though ?
suprised the home and away kits are both blue and havent they got rid of Dimateo yet , how the fook do the get away with FFP
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Good article.
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It just wrong, the Lion pointing the wrong way! It’s shit
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It just wrong, the Lion pointing the wrong way! It’s shit
Amen! Can’t believe we’ve been suckered in by the marketing bullshit we’ve been fed.
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Doesn't sound like Chris Heck has either!
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The lion will be facing back the other way next season, I'm pretty sure of it. We just need to find another bunch of creatives to come up with some fluff as to why.
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The lion will be facing back the other way next season, I'm pretty sure of it. We just need to find another bunch of creatives to come up with some fluff as to why.
"When we kick toward the Holte End, we want the lion to be facing towards the McGregor statue and Aston Hall in a nod to the heritage of the club and the local area". Now where's my six figure salary for sorting that?
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We had a season looking back to the last time we won the league and the European Cup. Now it's back where it belongs, looking forwards to the next one.
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If we had two lions, one facing left and one facing right I think we'd cover all the bases. How many lions would we need to have a pride of lions?
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Have we considered googly eyes for the lion, and then it can be looking whatever direction it wants, even in several directions at once.
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If we had two lions, one facing left and one facing right I think we'd cover all the bases.
As long as it's not three.
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If we had two lions, one facing left and one facing right I think we'd cover all the bases.
As long as it's not three.
Just copy Chelsea & having the torso facing left & the head facing right...
Or just have it doing a star jump & kill two birds with one stone...
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Has the white away kit been confirmed yet? DHGate are already selling copies :o
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Has the white away kit been confirmed yet? DHGate are already selling copies :o
I could not see an away version?
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Has the white away kit been confirmed yet? DHGate are already selling copies :o
I could not see an away version?
https://img4.dhresource.com/0x0/f3/albu/km/y/23/89abcbfa-9eb7-4797-84bb-27f676f14361.jpg
obviously not confirmed, but still interesting..
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Has the white away kit been confirmed yet? DHGate are already selling copies :o
I could not see an away version?
https://img4.dhresource.com/0x0/f3/albu/km/y/23/89abcbfa-9eb7-4797-84bb-27f676f14361.jpg
obviously not confirmed, but still interesting..
I'm not buying it.
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I've seen that one doing the rounds on annoying adds since the day it was posted on here.
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That one reminds me of an old away kit, early 90s I think?
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That one reminds me of an old away kit, early 90s I think?
I'm sure that's what it first appeared as. Someone doing an updated design of the old shirt. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm sure that's how I first saw it.
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I haven't really had a good look at the new kit until the Torres unveiling. It's horrible IMO.
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Burnley’s new kit pisses all over ours. Get Castore in the bin ASAP.
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Burnley’s new kit pisses all over ours. Get Castore in the bin ASAP.
Looks very West Ham to me, but didn't we have that sponsor before? So it kinda looks like a mashup of WH and us.
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Burnley’s new kit pisses all over ours. Get Castore in the bin ASAP.
Burnley's is just a rehash of ours with W88 and a collar on it.
West Ham's pisses all over ours.
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Burnley’s new kit pisses all over ours. Get Castore in the bin ASAP.
Nice kit, shame about the sponsor's logo.
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I think our kit next year to celebrate our 150th year will be ace. Heard it here first
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I haven't really had a good look at the new kit until the Torres unveiling. It's horrible IMO.
It is. I really hate the sponsor on our shirt as well. Worst kit and sponsor for years.
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I'm of the alternative opinion. Didn't like the pictures, hated the shoulders, but I saw one on a kid in the wild last weekend. It looked quite good, I thought.
Won't be buying one, though.
Maybe if we win something.
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I don't like the new shirt. I'm sure it will be ok when I see the players playing in it, but to me the design just looks clumsy.
I've seen a lot of criticism of the Castore quality, but we said the same about Kappa. I thought when Castore started they were renowned for being pretty high quality. Have the standards dropped significantly or are they being pulled up for the odd quality control issue which I'd assume would happen with most manufacturers when you're making thousands of shirts?
Either way, if we can push top 6 is would be nice if we could persuade Adidas, Nike or Umbro on board.
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I haven't really had a good look at the new kit until the Torres unveiling. It's horrible IMO.
It is. I really hate the sponsor on our shirt as well. Worst kit and sponsor for years.
My shirt is having the sponsor removed next week
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Believe it to be one of our worst ever designs.Thought it might grow on me, alas not a chance.
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It looks very flimsy or something in the pics of Torres wearing it. I know he's a skinny bloke but the sleeves especially look very flappy.
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The quality is atrocious, it just feels and looks cheap and nasty. Castore are by some distance the worst supplier we've had, even the wonky badge away kit wasn't as poor as this.
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Hopefully Heck will kick Castore into touch ASAP.
Would like it if we went back to Luke
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Oh no...
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I know everyone is morally opposed to anything other than claret body with blue sleeves as the home kit, but that claret/black training kit would make a very nice home kit.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F061UwLWAAI-QaX?format=jpg&name=large)
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The lion will be facing back the other way next season, I'm pretty sure of it. We just need to find another bunch of creatives to come up with some fluff as to why.
"With the club going from strength to strength, Unai Emery is taking the club in a new direction. This means that the lion, previously facing forwards, is now facing backwards. We've turned it round so that it's once again facing forward, yada yada yada"
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‘The lion, whilst facing backwards, is actually moonwalking forwards, just like Jeffery Daniel (ask your Dad, kids) did in 1982, the year we were crowned Champions of Europe, towards a brighter future’
I’m available to start tomorrow.
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The lion is facing the wrong way. That's all really. Do the suits care? Let's hope 🙏
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I know everyone is morally opposed to anything other than claret body with blue sleeves as the home kit, but that claret/black training kit would make a very nice home kit.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F061UwLWAAI-QaX?format=jpg&name=large)
Its better than the home shirt imo.
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Its better than the home shirt imo.
Just looks so classy with the black too.
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I know everyone is morally opposed to anything other than claret body with blue sleeves as the home kit, but that claret/black training kit would make a very nice home kit.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F061UwLWAAI-QaX?format=jpg&name=large)
Its better than the home shirt imo.
It’s red.
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It’s red.
Looks the same as the jersey to me
(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/0cce27a0-2025-11ee-9752-d796316e8df9.jpg)
(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/0c5aa550-2025-11ee-a661-1b4c3927122e.jpg)
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Oops
Roma and Adidas are reportedly working to fix their new 2023-24 season jerseys after realising they had included a copyright watermark on the design.
The issue was noticed after the presentation of the new kit, which has a design using the ‘Mappa del Falda’ from 1676 of the city of Rome in the background along the numbers.
Footy Headlines pointed out that the watermark was still visible from the Alamy Stock photographs supplier.
According to Il Tempo, Roma and Adidas are rushing to remove the watermark from their kits before they are released to the public.
The report suggests that the blame for the error was not due to the club or Adidas, but rather a third party that provided the Falda map for the design and forgot to remove the watermark.
It seems they took the images of the ancient map of Rome from the Alamy Stock Photo catalogue.
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https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/gallery/every-premier-league-teams-new-30450981.amp
They have us 14th out of 15 so far. Must admit when I first saw the kit I wasn't a fan, then it grew on me and now I've seen it more and in the wild, I'm really not liking it. I can't stand that shoulder panel effect.
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Chelsea's isn't what I was expecting, considering I've read a few reports of it being a stunner.
God knows what people see in that. It looks like one of those shit base kits you get in pro Evo.
Ours is rubbish
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Chelsea's isn't what I was expecting, considering I've read a few reports of it being a stunner.
God knows what people see in that. It looks like one of those shit base kits you get in pro Evo.
Ours is rubbish
I can only go on what the youths think and my 14 year old niece and her footy mates love the Chelsea shirt. I mean it's fine but I don't know why it's standing out. Yeah, ours is piss poor.
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It's the shoulder panel that really fucks ours up, it just looks weird.
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It's the shoulder panel that really fucks ours up, it just looks weird.
It really does, it's strange what effect basically two thin claret lines can have on a shirt but I reckon without that panelling it would be 'alright'.
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I can't get my head around the Chelsea one. I think I need to see it in the proper context of a football match to convince my brain its not a tshirt.
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One review of our shirt, who has us at 11th, is a pretty fair summation in my opinion:
'The latest team to go down the Castore route, and it’s not quite worked for them. What’s that bit of piping doing there on the shoulder? Absolutely fuck all is the answer. It looks lost and distracts the eye. It’s just neither nowt nor summat, too prominent to be ignored, too thin and lost to serve any purpose. It’s probably just too subtle for our dumb tastes. Otherwise the shirt is mainly fine, but it’s a drab 6/10 at best and the one attempt at something beyond the mundane only drags that number down. Villa’s new round badge looks good, though. Well done there.'
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I don’t buy the shirts but do buy training gear when on sale for football and pissing round the house in, no complaints at all about the quality of the Castore stuff and I like to support British manufacturers, albeit almost certainly put together by a 5 year old Bangladeshi in a factory the size of a shoe box.
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It's the shoulder panel that really fucks ours up, it just looks weird.
It does. The piping claret lining on the sleeve should line up with the claret body panel, but doesn't, because the stitching on the shirt appears to have been done by a blind 95 year old. Honestly, it's a piece of absolute shit. You can even see it on the shirt stretching picture above.
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I've seen some feedback that the badges are falling off after a couple of washes
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I hate the pattern.
Soundwaves of a song we sing at the match? Which genius thought that would be a good idea?
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West Ham and Burnley are both selling long sleeved replicas as well.
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I've seen some feedback that the badges are falling off after a couple of washes
And the sponsor logo. Even the shirts want to get rid of the new badge.
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West Ham and Burnley are both selling long sleeved replicas as well.
Bastards!
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I've seen some feedback that the badges are falling off after a couple of washes
And the sponsor logo. Even the shirts want to get rid of the new badge.
I saw someone is offering that as a service - removing the BK8 , heats it up and peels off
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I've only just now noticed there's a blue strip along the bottom at the back. Looks really weird when you see it beside the front view
(https://images.footballfanatics.com/aston-villa/aston-villa-castore-home-shirt-2023-24_ss5_p-13375847+pv-1+u-spkhlurkfb5kaypb5vnf+v-eytwqzj0qjrnr9zmqowa.jpg?_hv=2&w=900)
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It's a cheap-looking League One kit, that's what it is.
The soundwaves idea isn't such a bad one, apart from the fact it looks shit.
The sponsor, as well as being a gambling one, looks shit.
The shoulders are a fussy after-thought, so look shit.
The blue panel at the bottom, is purely there to add something else, it complicates things, and looks shit.
The new badge, whether you like it or not, is only here for a year, so it's shit.
And it's a fucking rip-off price too.
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Hopefully the away kit is better. The home kit is dire
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You've got the main sponsor in yellow and white writing, which looks shit. Then the sleeve sponsor is orange with black writing, and it looks even worse. The material used is really flimsy and cheap. It feels like a market knock off, to be honest.
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It's a cheap-looking League One kit, that's what it is.
The soundwaves idea isn't such a bad one, apart from the fact it looks shit.
The sponsor, as well as being a gambling one, looks shit.
The shoulders are a fussy after-thought, so look shit.
The blue panel at the bottom, is purely there to add something else, it complicates things, and looks shit.
The new badge, whether you like it or not, is only here for a year, so it's shit.
And it's a fucking rip-off price too.
But overall you're a fan of it then? ;D
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Hopefully the away kit is better. The home kit is dire
Surely it can't be worse.
I'm just hoping they've deliberately gone shit on the basis we have an anniversary next year and they'll hope we'll all love that one!
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They're just trying to do everything as cheaply as humanly possible, like the others. But at least the bigger players have got economies of scale, so can use better material for a lower cost. I hope this is the next thing Henk gets his teeth into, and decides that Castore are shit and need binning off.
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They're just trying to do everything as cheaply as humanly possible, like the others. But at least the bigger players have got economies of scale, so can use better material for a lower cost. I hope this is the next thing Henk gets his teeth into, and decides that Castore are shit and need binning off.
Yep, I do wonder, given American sport's relationships with Nike, whether we may go down that line again, with Heck on board I can see it happening.
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It's a cheap-looking League One kit, that's what it is.
The soundwaves idea isn't such a bad one, apart from the fact it looks shit.
The sponsor, as well as being a gambling one, looks shit.
The shoulders are a fussy after-thought, so look shit.
The blue panel at the bottom, is purely there to add something else, it complicates things, and looks shit.
The new badge, whether you like it or not, is only here for a year, so it's shit.
And it's a fucking rip-off price too.
yes but other that , when we win the FA Cup in it :)
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They're just trying to do everything as cheaply as humanly possible, like the others. But at least the bigger players have got economies of scale, so can use better material for a lower cost. I hope this is the next thing Henk gets his teeth into, and decides that Castore are shit and need binning off.
Yep, I do wonder, given American sport's relationships with Nike, whether we may go down that line again, with Heck on board I can see it happening.
How long is this deal with Castore ?
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Castore is the worst brand we've ever had, regardless of if they're paying us more.
Its worth losing a bit in sponsorship to have a solid manufacturer so we look like a serious club not a 3rd rate nobody club.
I pray for Nike 🙏
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I want an Adidas kit, we've never had them
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I want an Adidas kit, we've never had them
Based on Fulham's kit this year, I'll pass.
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Castore is the worst brand we've ever had, regardless of if they're paying us more.
Its worth losing a bit in sponsorship to have a solid manufacturer so we look like a serious club not a 3rd rate nobody club.
I pray for Nike 🙏
Macron was far worse than Castore
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Macron is far better nowadays, however when we had them they were League Two stuff
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Puma make nice looking kit but aren't they a bit dodgy on ethics. I would have Luke back if we could
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Its a bit of a come down after Luke and then Kappa who i thought did an ok job
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I want an Adidas kit, we've never had them
Based on Fulham's kit this year, I'll pass.
Difficult to throw shade at the Fulham kit when you look at ours. I'd take Adidas in a heartbeat - I think they're by far the nicest sports brand, but then I do like 80's and 90's retro.
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Castore is the worst brand we've ever had, regardless of if they're paying us more.
Its worth losing a bit in sponsorship to have a solid manufacturer so we look like a serious club not a 3rd rate nobody club.
I pray for Nike 🙏
Macron was far worse than Castore
My Macron shirts were fine tbh 🤷
Macron would be the next shittest though.
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I want an Adidas kit, we've never had them
I agree, would love to see us in Adidas.
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I want an Adidas kit, we've never had them
Based on Fulham's kit this year, I'll pass.
Difficult to throw shade at the Fulham kit when you look at ours. I'd take Adidas in a heartbeat - I think they're by far the nicest sports brand, but then I do like 80's and 90's retro.
Same here. I don't get the Luke love in to be honest, the kits were OK but at the end of the day it's not a kit manufacturer, more a second rate designer brand. We need the best.
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Its a bit of a come down after Luke and then Kappa who i thought did an ok job
Yep, didn't mind the Kappa shirts at all and whilst I thought Luke was a bit 'small-time' when it was announced, the shirt was quality and a future classic.
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bring hummel back
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bring hummel back
Agreed. If nothing else it would annoy my brother.
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Others are noticing...
https://twitter.com/FootballCliches/status/1679749312878706688
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bring hummel back
Agreed. If nothing else it would annoy my brother.
Blues are Hummel next season
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I'd have Umbro back. Or Nike, and would accept Adidas, I think, though their stripes can dominate a kit in a way that most other suppliers do not.
I like Kappa designs usually, though the fit is awful.
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Others are noticing...
https://twitter.com/FootballCliches/status/1679749312878706688
The Burnley one looks the most claret.
The Villa one is the worst out of the 3.
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We cannot have Castore making our kit for the 150th anniversary, no way.
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Burnleys training kit has BK8 on it
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South Shields have got a better kit manufacturer, a nicer kit design and a better sponsor than us.
FFS.
(https://i.ibb.co/dMMdXD5/south-shields.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dMMdXD5)
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South Shields have got a better kit manufacturer, a nicer kit design and a better sponsor than us.
FFS.
(https://i.ibb.co/dMMdXD5/south-shields.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dMMdXD5)
They also have one of Little Mix on their board.
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South Shields have got a better kit manufacturer, a nicer kit design and a better sponsor than us.
FFS.
(https://i.ibb.co/dMMdXD5/south-shields.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dMMdXD5)
nice kit that
We've really screwed ours up big time
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We cannot have Castore making our kit for the 150th anniversary, no way.
Well its gonna happen.
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They have the colours right as well.
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South Shields have got a better kit manufacturer, a nicer kit design and a better sponsor than us.
FFS.
Nice shirt that, although I could live without the collars or at least have some claret on them.
However, look at their 2021-22 Nike abomination. https://www.footballkitarchive.com/south-shields-fc-2021-22-home-kit/
I quite like their 2022-23 effort if we were going for a 'non-traditional' kit. https://www.footballkitarchive.com/south-shields-fc-2022-23-home-kit/
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I like how different they are though from year to year. At least you'd feel like you were getting something new if you spent money on it every season
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They have the colours right as well.
Hmmm, looks a tad purple to me. Plus the collar is all blue, which isn't right; it's a bit West Ham.
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They have the colours right as well.
Hmmm, looks a tad purple to me. Plus the collar is all blue, which isn't right; it's a bit West Ham.
On a closer look yeh, but the best out of the 3.
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I like how different they are though from year to year. At least you'd feel like you were getting something new if you spent money on it every season
Definitely this, if you're going to be fleeced each year then mix it up. Some will be shit, some won't.
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I like how different they are though from year to year. At least you'd feel like you were getting something new if you spent money on it every season
Definitely this, if you're going to be fleeced each year then mix it up. Some will be shit, some won't.
This year's kit definitely screams we've run out of ideas for claret body with blue sleeves. I assume next year's will be something very traditional, but after that we should go rogue for a season.
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Drogheda, another traditional claret and blue team, have gone for something a bit different this year. I quite like it, and the away kit follows a similar template.
https://www.footballkitarchive.com/drogheda-united-kits/
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Stripes going the wrong way but I quite like that as a template for an anniversary style kit.
https://cdn.footballkitarchive.com/2022/10/10/SgtS9sGJXe9IBBO.jpg
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For completion, here's Scunthorpe
(https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/contentassets/30b09bd2f8dd42198c8e2af2b652989f/2023-24.jpg/Medium)
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Drogheda, another traditional claret and blue team, have gone for something a bit different this year. I quite like it, and the away kit follows a similar template.
https://www.footballkitarchive.com/drogheda-united-kits/
Quite like the away and 3rd
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Drogheda, another traditional claret and blue team, have gone for something a bit different this year. I quite like it, and the away kit follows a similar template.
https://www.footballkitarchive.com/drogheda-united-kits/
Looks like someone has been sick .
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Drogheda, another traditional claret and blue team, have gone for something a bit different this year. I quite like it, and the away kit follows a similar template.
https://www.footballkitarchive.com/drogheda-united-kits/
You must declare an interest. :)
The claret in the home shirt is too red for me (I prefer a darker claret like South Shields) and the away shirt too West Ham, but I like the third kit.
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Was sent this by a spammers fan today….
(https://i.ibb.co/kQjfzhH/6dcdff08-5107-4145-b8bd-5291c6929bdf.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kQjfzhH)
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The training shirt that Pau Torres was wearing looks better to be honest. Just stick some blue sleeves on that and up by the collar area - how hard can it be?
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For completion, here's Scunthorpe
(https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/contentassets/30b09bd2f8dd42198c8e2af2b652989f/2023-24.jpg/Medium)
They are the club that immediately sprung to mind when I saw the shirt, Bit sobering to think that they will be playing Rushall Olympic in the league this season.
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So just about every club in claret and blue has got a miles better kit than us this season. Great.
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Do we know when the away kit comes out, clinging onto some hope with that.
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So just about every club in claret and blue has got a miles better kit than us this season. Great.
but we have the better team :)
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So just about every club in claret and blue has got a miles better kit than us this season. Great.
but we have the better team :)
That's all that matters really. The Lion can face any way as long as we are winning
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That Drogheda kit reminds me of how wanky chefs put unnecessary smears of gunk across plates when 'plating' food.
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Is the use of aqua/jade in the team announcement a hint of the away kit colour
(https://i.ibb.co/z7kyqM2/Screenshot-20230715-122017-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/z7kyqM2)
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That graphic and choice of font is straight out of the 1990’s
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Unless we announce/release our new away strip, I'm guessing we'll be turning out in C&B on our US tour?
Shouldn't be a problem against Toon and Fulham, but have we "persuaded" Brentford to wear their away strip?
From a marketing and brand awareness viewpoint I assume that we'd want to push the home strip at every opportunity?
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Just found this on dh gate, described as the new 3rd kit. Yes it's only dh gate, but please no
(https://i.ibb.co/z7z5FCD/Screenshot-20230715-210036-DHgate.jpg) (https://ibb.co/z7z5FCD)
, it's awful.
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Just found this on dh gate, described as the new 3rd kit. Yes it's only dh gate, but please no
(https://i.ibb.co/z7z5FCD/Screenshot-20230715-210036-DHgate.jpg) (https://ibb.co/z7z5FCD)
, it's awful.
Looks like a bus seat
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Is the use of aqua/jade in the team announcement a hint of the away kit colour
(https://i.ibb.co/z7kyqM2/Screenshot-20230715-122017-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/z7kyqM2)
That was awful.
I reckon Chris Heck doing a Randy / badge thing.
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Just found this on dh gate, described as the new 3rd kit. Yes it's only dh gate, but please no
(https://i.ibb.co/z7z5FCD/Screenshot-20230715-210036-DHgate.jpg) (https://ibb.co/z7z5FCD)
, it's awful.
Looks like a bus seat
It looks like something somebody who likes some U2 and finds Sarah Millican funny would come up with.
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Just found this on dh gate, described as the new 3rd kit. Yes it's only dh gate, but please no
(https://i.ibb.co/z7z5FCD/Screenshot-20230715-210036-DHgate.jpg) (https://ibb.co/z7z5FCD)
, it's awful.
Looks like a bus seat
Just need WMPTE across the front and we are cooking
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As a tribute to the great Blues team of the early 90s it could work.
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Is the use of aqua/jade in the team announcement a hint of the away kit colour
(https://i.ibb.co/z7kyqM2/Screenshot-20230715-122017-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/z7kyqM2)
Everything about that was absolutely dreadful. The colours, the font, just awful
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Is the use of aqua/jade in the team announcement a hint of the away kit colour
(https://i.ibb.co/z7kyqM2/Screenshot-20230715-122017-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/z7kyqM2)
Maybe Villa admin is on holiday and the YTS lad stepped in today.
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Just found this on dh gate, described as the new 3rd kit. Yes it's only dh gate, but please no
(https://i.ibb.co/z7z5FCD/Screenshot-20230715-210036-DHgate.jpg) (https://ibb.co/z7z5FCD)
, it's awful.
It looks like a design that would be on a paper cup.
I really hope that can't be correct - look at the next photo, the neckline is atrocious.
(https://img4.dhresource.com/0x0/f3/albu/km/s/17/4e37318c-6627-4845-94f3-48d61ad454cd.jpg)
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Not that keen on our home kit, but if you want to feel better about it, have a look at the truly dreadful Inter and Juve kits for this year.
Think both made by Nike.
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Not that keen on our home kit, but if you want to feel better about it, have a look at the truly dreadful Inter and Juve kits for this year.
Think both made by Nike.
Inter also changed their crest and it is really shit now imo. No need for them to do it.
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Just found this on dh gate, described as the new 3rd kit. Yes it's only dh gate, but please no
(https://i.ibb.co/z7z5FCD/Screenshot-20230715-210036-DHgate.jpg) (https://ibb.co/z7z5FCD)
, it's awful.
That looks like a Nike template to me going by the panel at the top of the chest.
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Just found this on dh gate, described as the new 3rd kit. Yes it's only dh gate, but please no
(https://i.ibb.co/z7z5FCD/Screenshot-20230715-210036-DHgate.jpg) (https://ibb.co/z7z5FCD)
, it's awful.
That looks like a Nike template to me going by the panel at the top of the chest.
Castore have pinched design elements from Nike before so wouldn't surprise me.
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Forest away kit
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1BtUo0WcAMKWUL?format=jpg&name=small)
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Forest away kit
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1BtUo0WcAMKWUL?format=jpg&name=small)
Strange angle. Makes the bloke's head look tiny.
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Just found this on dh gate, described as the new 3rd kit. Yes it's only dh gate, but please no
(https://i.ibb.co/z7z5FCD/Screenshot-20230715-210036-DHgate.jpg) (https://ibb.co/z7z5FCD)
, it's awful.
Looks like a contender to be a training /warm up/stadium/staff/match day meal eating shirt to me.
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Warm up tops nicer than the jersey too
(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/1aeb7360-2309-11ee-a1ff-170cddc8cb8c.jpg)
(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/1b4bbbd0-2309-11ee-935f-2792e314ca91.jpg)
(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/1b2f0c10-2309-11ee-baea-87c2896360c3.jpg)
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I'd be very interested to know how sales are going with the badge fiasco. Will people want to buy a shirt with a one off,made up badge with a betting firm on the front which a huge majority of the fan base are against ?
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Aye
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Meeeeeee.
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I'd be very interested to know how sales are going with the badge fiasco. Will people want to buy a shirt with a one off,made up badge with a betting firm on the front which a huge majority of the fan base are against ?
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I bet you thought it was a disgrace in 92/93 when we had a shield on our home shirt and the round badge on the away. Must have really spoilt such a great season when we went so close to winning the title.
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Warm up tops nicer than the jersey too
(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/1aeb7360-2309-11ee-a1ff-170cddc8cb8c.jpg)
(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/1b4bbbd0-2309-11ee-935f-2792e314ca91.jpg)
(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/1b2f0c10-2309-11ee-baea-87c2896360c3.jpg)
Yep, it's not difficult really is it. Just put some blue sleeves on that and the proper badge and it would be absolutely fine. We'd still have that abomination of a sponsor logo on it though.
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I can't see they're selling that warm-up top yet. I will keep an eye out for it.
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Warm up tops nicer than the jersey too
(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/1aeb7360-2309-11ee-a1ff-170cddc8cb8c.jpg)
(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/1b4bbbd0-2309-11ee-935f-2792e314ca91.jpg)
(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/1b2f0c10-2309-11ee-baea-87c2896360c3.jpg)
Yep, it's not difficult really is it. Just put some blue sleeves on that and the proper badge and it would be absolutely fine. We'd still have that abomination of a sponsor logo on it though.
blue sleeves and that is a lovely home top
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Blue sleeves on the warm up top (if you all insist) but keep the claret at the ends (cuffs?) Maybe a white stripe through the colar and "cuffs" just to make it pop! Current sponsor would ruin it, but even if they just kept it all white, it'd do.
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Maybe it's just because they were wearing claret shorts and had a weird sponsor on the front, but the West Ham Jersey didn't look that great in action in Australia.
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Warm up tops nicer than the jersey too
(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/1aeb7360-2309-11ee-a1ff-170cddc8cb8c.jpg)
(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/1b4bbbd0-2309-11ee-935f-2792e314ca91.jpg)
(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/1b2f0c10-2309-11ee-baea-87c2896360c3.jpg)
Yep, it's not difficult really is it. Just put some blue sleeves on that and the proper badge and it would be absolutely fine. We'd still have that abomination of a sponsor logo on it though.
blue sleeves and that is a lovely home top
Absolutely this!
Including the badge...light blue on claret; claret on white/light blue.
Sorted.
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Blue sleeves on the warm up top (if you all insist) but keep the claret at the ends (cuffs?) Maybe a white stripe through the colar and "cuffs" just to make it pop! Current sponsor would ruin it, but even if they just kept it all white, it'd do.
Looking at it again, wouldn't necessarily need blue sleeves on it tbh, maybe just a blue trim at the end of the sleeves.
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Blue sleeves on the warm up top (if you all insist) but keep the claret at the ends (cuffs?) Maybe a white stripe through the colar and "cuffs" just to make it pop! Current sponsor would ruin it, but even if they just kept it all white, it'd do.
Looking at it again, wouldn't necessarily need blue sleeves on it tbh, maybe just a blue trim at the end of the sleeves.
Yeah, some people are very married to the blue sleeves but I think as long as there's some prominent blue on there I don't mind where it is.
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FFS
BLUE SLEEVES. :-)
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Just found this on dh gate, described as the new 3rd kit. Yes it's only dh gate, but please no
(https://i.ibb.co/z7z5FCD/Screenshot-20230715-210036-DHgate.jpg) (https://ibb.co/z7z5FCD)
, it's awful.
Not liking the tadpoles.
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*whispers* I really like the Arsenal away kit. Think it looks great on the players
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*whispers* I really like the Arsenal away kit. Think it looks great on the players
It's not as bad the reaction to it would have you believe. A mate's just sent me the supposed Man U one; green, white and red stripes. Is that real? Hideous, if so.
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I thought the Man U one was just black and white stripes, but on closer inspection it is apparently a weird shade of dark green
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*whispers* I really like the Arsenal away kit. Think it looks great on the players
It's not as bad the reaction to it would have you believe. A mate's just sent me the supposed Man U one; green, white and red stripes. Is that real? Hideous, if so.
The Arsenal design is fine, just looks a bit cheap when it comes to the badge and sponsor's logo. Looks alright here.
https://www.jdsports.ie/product/yellow-adidas-arsenal-fc-202324-away-shirt-womens/19582518_jdsportsie/
Yanited's is inspired by Punch's 1997 Ipswich away kit but doesn't work well when the Adidas stripes are combined with thicker ones. It's a right mess!
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So literally every single item of clothing Castore have provided this season is nicer than the home kit.
The green/greygreen combination on the zip up tops would make a nice away kit.
(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/9c4394b0-2683-11ee-99da-619fc37d8a09.jpg)
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So literally every single item of clothing Castore have provided this season is nicer than the home kit.
The green/greygreen combination on the zip up tops would make a nice away kit.
(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/9c4394b0-2683-11ee-99da-619fc37d8a09.jpg)
I love John McGinn. Look how happy he is! Everyone else is dead on their feet, Emi is a zombie, and Digne’s actually asleep. And there he is, beaming like a kid at the seaside!
He’s awesome.
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They have nearly sold out of the home shirts on the website.
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Dunno if it's true or not but I was reading earlier that Chelsea actually don't have a sponsor for this season's jersey. They apparently were trying to go with Paramount + but the league vetoed it because of something to do with the network that has Prem rights in the US. Then they tried to go with a betting firm bit changed their minds, turned down Alianz, and now are trying to get anyone to throw them a few bob and they've thrown in the women's team too. They were getting 40mil from 3, apparently, but didn't renew because they thought they could get more from someone else.
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Regarding the training tops and the hoodie that we've seen the players wearing.
Wonder how many fans will prefer them to a shirt emblazoned with an advert for gambling?
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Regarding the training tops and the hoodie that we've seen the players wearing.
Wonder how many fans will prefer them to a shirt emblazoned with an advert for gambling?
Mings was wearing a sky blue sleeveless training top on a pic the other day, that would look nice if that's one of the training top offerings. I'd have that. (With sleeves, obviously, I'm in my 40s).
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Mings was wearing a sky blue sleeveless training top on a pic the other day, that would look nice if that's one of the training top offerings. I'd have that. (With sleeves, obviously, I'm in my 40s).
If it was the one in the US training pics they have them with claret sleeves too.
Seems to be a running theme that everything is nice than the kit.
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So literally every single item of clothing Castore have provided this season is nicer than the home kit.
The green/greygreen combination on the zip up tops would make a nice away kit.
(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/9c4394b0-2683-11ee-99da-619fc37d8a09.jpg)
I love John McGinn. Look how happy he is! Everyone else is dead on their feet, Emi is a zombie, and Digne’s actually asleep. And there he is, beaming like a kid at the seaside!
He’s awesome.
not only does Dougie look huge, he also looks like he is ready to rip someones head off....literally
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Regarding the training tops and the hoodie that we've seen the players wearing.
Wonder how many fans will prefer them to a shirt emblazoned with an advert for gambling?
Mings was wearing a sky blue sleeveless training top on a pic the other day, that would look nice if that's one of the training top offerings. I'd have that. (With sleeves, obviously, I'm in my 40s).
I was going to say, not sure I'dbe flashing my bingo wings off so readily
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Mings was wearing a sky blue sleeveless training top on a pic the other day, that would look nice if that's one of the training top offerings. I'd have that. (With sleeves, obviously, I'm in my 40s).
If it was the one in the US training pics they have them with claret sleeves too.
Seems to be a running theme that everything is nice than the kit.
Just looked at the gallery, yeah that's nice. There's also a long sleeve top with a zip collar.
I wonder if this is the actual training kit or a pre-season one like they've done before.
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Mings was wearing a sky blue sleeveless training top on a pic the other day, that would look nice if that's one of the training top offerings. I'd have that. (With sleeves, obviously, I'm in my 40s).
I was going to say, not sure I'dbe flashing my bingo wings off so readily
You should see his cankles.
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Just looked at the gallery, yeah that's nice. There's also a long sleeve top with a zip collar.
I wonder if this is the actual training kit or a pre-season one like they've done before.
The claret and blue gear they were wearing getting off the bus for the US training session looked quite smart as well.
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i used to love a Villa top for my holidays abroad. And my Villa towel for the sunbeds
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I wonder if this is the actual training kit or a pre-season one like they've done before.
They wore different stuff at the weekend, also very nice. I wonder if the colour palate of the US stuff is connected to the away kit?
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I wonder if this is the actual training kit or a pre-season one like they've done before.
They wore different stuff at the weekend, also very nice. I wonder if the colour palate of the US stuff is connected to the away kit?
I hope that's the case, I reckon a kit similar to the tracksuit tops a few of them are wearing would look fantastic.
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whilst we wait for away kit NUFC launch their 3rd strip and its minging
(https://i.ibb.co/JQGc4sx/d7cedd6a-023c-4e23-9ffb-b95084a897d6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JQGc4sx)
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It's so hideous they've tried to hide it by blending it in with a backdrop of its own material.
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the design is based on electric currents and its being branded about under "electrifying away days" , must be in homage to the 3-0 battering they had in Aston
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So literally every single item of clothing Castore have provided this season is nicer than the home kit.
The green/greygreen combination on the zip up tops would make a nice away kit.
(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/9c4394b0-2683-11ee-99da-619fc37d8a09.jpg)
I love John McGinn. Look how happy he is! Everyone else is dead on their feet, Emi is a zombie, and Digne’s actually asleep. And there he is, beaming like a kid at the seaside!
He’s awesome.
not only does Dougie look huge, he also looks like he is ready to rip someones head off....literally
It's funny because Coutinho is probably standing on the stairs there beside him, and Dougie still looks massive.
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whilst we wait for away kit NUFC launch their 3rd strip and its minging
(https://i.ibb.co/JQGc4sx/d7cedd6a-023c-4e23-9ffb-b95084a897d6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JQGc4sx)
It's not too bad. I've seen a lot worse.
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whilst we wait for away kit NUFC launch their 3rd strip and its minging
(https://i.ibb.co/JQGc4sx/d7cedd6a-023c-4e23-9ffb-b95084a897d6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JQGc4sx)
It's not too bad. I've seen a lot worse.
Agree. People in Castore away shirts shouldn't throw stones, especially when we haven't seen ours yet.
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It's not too bad. I've seen a lot worse.
Agree. People in Castore away shirts shouldn't throw stones, especially when we haven't seen ours yet.
Same here, don't mind it at all for a third kit.
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whilst we wait for away kit NUFC launch their 3rd strip and its minging
(https://i.ibb.co/JQGc4sx/d7cedd6a-023c-4e23-9ffb-b95084a897d6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JQGc4sx)
It's not too bad. I've seen a lot worse.
Agree. People in Castore away shirts shouldn't throw stones, especially when we haven't seen ours yet.
lets not start puns on this :)
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"Rangers" have released their third kit today. https://shop.rangers.co.uk/collections/23-24-third-kits
Simple, old school design with a central badge and no manufacturer logo, could live with a Villa inspired, non-striped version of it.
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whilst we wait for away kit NUFC launch their 3rd strip and its minging
(https://i.ibb.co/JQGc4sx/d7cedd6a-023c-4e23-9ffb-b95084a897d6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JQGc4sx)
It's not too bad. I've seen a lot worse.
Agree. People in Castore away shirts shouldn't throw stones, especially when we haven't seen ours yet.
sometimes you're encouraged to throw stones in Saudi .
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That Newcastle shirt is perfectly ok. Not sure what's wrong with it (except the obvious)?
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Get rid of the yellow lines and it's a nice shirt.
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"Rangers" have released their third kit today. https://shop.rangers.co.uk/collections/23-24-third-kits
Simple, old school design with a central badge and no manufacturer logo, could live with a Villa inspired, non-striped version of it.
Looks like Irn Bru
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"Rangers" have released their third kit today. https://shop.rangers.co.uk/collections/23-24-third-kits
Simple, old school design with a central badge and no manufacturer logo, could live with a Villa inspired, non-striped version of it.
Looks like Irn Bru
It's essentially their 1993/94 kit 30 years on. They associate it with the good times plus it's orange and blue, so their fans are very happy with it.
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whilst we wait for away kit NUFC launch their 3rd strip and its minging
(https://i.ibb.co/JQGc4sx/d7cedd6a-023c-4e23-9ffb-b95084a897d6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JQGc4sx)
It's not too bad. I've seen a lot worse.
I like it.
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(https://i.ibb.co/DDfpshL/48b7bcb4-b5f8-47f0-821b-1737d9b58c03.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DDfpshL)
Southampton have gone really retro. Love it !!
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In what situation would Newcastle need to wear that shirt? Grimsby in the cup? Its actually not too bad.
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bit like our old kit design that
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It’s a lovely division 2 kit is that.
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Southampton have gone really retro. Love it !!
Sorry AB, it's been posted before and it's still dreadful (like most Hummel kits).
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will make a great darts top
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Southampton have gone really retro. Love it !!
Sorry AB, it's been posted before and it's still dreadful (like most Hummel kits).
I think that design is ace. I loved Villa"s Hummel era
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Southampton have gone really retro. Love it !!
Sorry AB, it's been posted before and it's still dreadful (like most Hummel kits).
Ah apologies, I missed it 😌
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West Ham’s new away kit with the white badge is quite nice. I really hope our away and third kits are good. I’m not a fan at all of this years home offering. Especially when you look at how good the training gear is.
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I just like it when they change the colour of the badge and everything else to fit the kit. Always looks better, like the green with the goalie top.
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Southampton have gone really retro. Love it !!
Sorry AB, it's been posted before and it's still dreadful (like most Hummel kits).
Ah apologies, I missed it 😌
No worries, gave me a chance to reiterate how much I dislike Hummel kits. :)
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I just like it when they change the colour of the badge and everything else to fit the kit.
Yes, I liked it when Kappa changed the badge to claret on the white away shirt in 2021/22.
As TV says, the West Ham way shirt is smart but the kit would look better with claret shorts.
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Every photo I have seen of our more casual or training gear is absolutely superb
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Every photo I have seen of our more casual or training gear is absolutely superb
The only tiny niggle I have is that the very pale blue with claret sleeves (like the picture of Kamara with Diaby) has white badges that just don't offer enough contrast.
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Seen the new shirt in person for the first time today, looks really cheap and baggy around the neck. Probably one of the worst we've had in some time. The badge is very good though, shame it's not the club badge or the old 80s badge for a 'one off' but just some random badge .
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I got my kiddo a new shirt off DHgate, it arrived within a month from China and although it is has just decals and not the authentic shirt it was only $20 in Canadian Dollars so very cheap compared to the official store and he is chuffed with it.
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I got my kiddo a new shirt off DHgate, it arrived within a month from China and although it is has just decals and not the authentic shirt it was only $20 in Canadian Dollars so very cheap compared to the official store and he is chuffed with it.
I’m doing the same. Do you have a link to
The seller you got it from?
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I was going to put these in the cycling thread, but imo both of these are gorgeous examples of claret and blue sports tops.
(https://i.ibb.co/Xstv35B/Screenshot-2023-07-23-10-31-43.png) (https://ibb.co/Xstv35B)
(https://i.ibb.co/mS6R26B/Screenshot-2023-07-23-10-31-21.png) (https://ibb.co/mS6R26B)
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are they?
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I got my kiddo a new shirt off DHgate, it arrived within a month from China and although it is has just decals and not the authentic shirt it was only $20 in Canadian Dollars so very cheap compared to the official store and he is chuffed with it.
link please :)
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I was going to put these in the cycling thread, but imo both of these are gorgeous examples of claret and blue sports tops.
(https://i.ibb.co/Xstv35B/Screenshot-2023-07-23-10-31-43.png) (https://ibb.co/Xstv35B)
I've mentioned the same top a couple of times in the Cycling thread. Right shade of claret and blue for me but I don't have a bike.
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The DHgate supplier is "jerseyshop202223" and it cost m $22.60 including shipping so probably around 15quid for the lot.
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Had a first look at the new home kit in the flesh at 'Dreamland' Margate at the weekend. A large lady was wearing it with pride. I was quite excited to see it out of context and told her she was hardcore Villa for getting it so soon. Her fella rolled his eyes. He's a Liverpool fan, she explained. We both shrugged, I went my separate way but I'm sure we both danced to the Human League later that night.
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Had a first look at the new home kit in the flesh at 'Dreamland' Margate at the weekend. A large lady was wearing it with pride. I was quite excited to see it out of context and told her she was hardcore Villa for getting it so soon. Her fella rolled his eyes. He's a Liverpool fan, she explained. We both shrugged, I went my separate way but I'm sure we both danced to the Human League later that night.
Was she one of the cocktail waitresses?
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The DHgate supplier is "jerseyshop202223" and it cost m $22.60 including shipping so probably around 15quid for the lot.
What did you get?
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Had a first look at the new home kit in the flesh at 'Dreamland' Margate at the weekend. A large lady was wearing it with pride. I was quite excited to see it out of context and told her she was hardcore Villa for getting it so soon. Her fella rolled his eyes. He's a Liverpool fan, she explained. We both shrugged, I went my separate way but I'm sure we both danced to the Human League later that night.
Was she one of the cocktail waitresses?
Ooh, now wouldn't that have been something...
They put on a great show, though, The League (Human, not Premier).
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Away kit dropping tomorrow..?
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Away kit dropping tomorrow..?
Nice, I think it will feature the aquamarine colour villa admin has been using on the starting XI graphics . Or it will be white.
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Nice, I think it will feature the aquamarine colour villa admin has been using on the starting XI graphics . Or it will be white.
Is that the same colour people thought was on a banner in the home kit photos?
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(https://images.footballfanatics.com/aston-villa/aston-villa-castore-away-pro-shirt-2023-24_ss5_p-13375809+pv-1+u-8qdf3jpkxsumq3jlbtmf+v-2jnjpbn5p9ifg2tw3tos.jpg?_hv=2&w=900)
In store
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is that real or just a mock up ?
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is that real or just a mock up ?
Official
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(https://i.ibb.co/wYpTzPL/93453c70-2d17-11ee-816a-a100564df329.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wYpTzPL)
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2G8ApLXcAAwLF3?format=jpg&name=medium)
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Looks like something that a small, unimportant family from Game of Thrones would wear.
Shite
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2G8BB-WgAAp-hJ?format=jpg&name=large)
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I mean it's mediocre but it's a lot better than the home kit.
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I imagine there will be some right funky 3rd kit coming soon.
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(https://images.footballfanatics.com/aston-villa/aston-villa-castore-away-pro-shirt-2023-24_ss5_p-13375809+pv-1+u-8qdf3jpkxsumq3jlbtmf+v-2jnjpbn5p9ifg2tw3tos.jpg?_hv=2&w=900)
In store
Still trying to get the image on the shirt. Is it a magic eye picture?
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At the very least I appreciate that the photo shoots are just them in the kit looking like they're football players. None of this jeans and couches nonsense.
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(https://images.footballfanatics.com/aston-villa/aston-villa-castore-away-pro-shirt-2023-24_ss5_p-13375809+pv-1+u-8qdf3jpkxsumq3jlbtmf+v-2jnjpbn5p9ifg2tw3tos.jpg?_hv=2&w=900)
In store
Still trying to get the image on the shirt. Is it a magic eye picture?
Just a mess.
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Like the simple design, dislike the tie-die effect.
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It's fine. Not as nice as the white Kappa kit, but still ok.
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The white bits look like some sort of 1970s wallpaper nightmare.
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That's awful. Well done Castore, two absolute stinkers. If you're going to have a "main body adorned with a graphic inspired by Villa's iconic crest" (their words) then shouldn't it be the crest that is on the actual shirt?
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That's awful. Well done Castore, two absolute stinkers. If you're going to have a "main body adorned with a graphic inspired by Villa's iconic crest" (their words) then shouldn't it be the crest that is on the actual shirt?
I really dislike Castore.
Sadly they are all over the place, like dog shit.
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It's a different length at the front than at the back.
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That's awful. Well done Castore, two absolute stinkers. If you're going to have a "main body adorned with a graphic inspired by Villa's iconic crest" (their words) then shouldn't it be the crest that is on the actual shirt?
I think this kit will have been designed before some prick decided to turn the lion around. I'm sure read (or maybe heard in a podcast with Rob Warner) that the lead in times on the kit designs is huge - at least a year.
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At a quick glance it looks decent. Then you look closer and see the shoulders, the dots and the bizarre pattern. WTF is the pattern meant to be? Take those things away and i'd like it. As it is, it's a bit wank.
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At a quick glance it looks decent. Then you look closer and see the shoulders, the dots and the bizarre pattern. WTF is the pattern meant to be? Take those things away and i'd like it. As it is, it's a bit wank.
It's a chopped up lion. The old lion.
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Better than the HomeKit
Probably because the sponsor is less noticeable
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The white bits look like some sort of 1970s wallpaper nightmare.
As the badge is, cough, a one off nod to the early 80s maybe they've done the pattern like that as that's the last time anyone bought wallpaper like that.
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It all makes sense now. It's a visual timeline print. Twats.
A unique design that showcases the lions that have represented Aston Villa throughout its existence, the new away shirt is a visual timeline print that tells the story of the club’s proud journey since our foundation in 1874.
The redesigned crest, which pays homage to our European Cup-winning heroes of 1982, appears on Villa’s playing and training kits this season.
The new kit will be worn for the first time when the men’s first team play against Brentford in Maryland, USA, in the Premier League Summer Series on Sunday, July 30.
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If that had been plain white, it would have been nice. That pattern in it as awful.
I’ll be buying the warm up shirt this year !
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It all makes sense now. It's a visual timeline print. Twats.
A unique design that showcases the lions that have represented Aston Villa throughout its existence, the new away shirt is a visual timeline print that tells the story of the club’s proud journey since our foundation in 1874.
The redesigned crest, which pays homage to our European Cup-winning heroes of 1982, appears on Villa’s playing and training kits this season.
The new kit will be worn for the first time when the men’s first team play against Brentford in Maryland, USA, in the Premier League Summer Series on Sunday, July 30.
Total bollocks.
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Call me daft, but looking at the pics on the official website, do the women's shorts seem a lot tighter than the men's?
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It’s the only time of the year men understand anything about fashion, style and colours!
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That's awful. Well done Castore, two absolute stinkers. If you're going to have a "main body adorned with a graphic inspired by Villa's iconic crest" (their words) then shouldn't it be the crest that is on the actual shirt?
I really dislike Castore.
Sadly they are all over the place, like dog shit.
😂
Aren't they just.
Absolute fucking shite
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I’m not a fan of Castore, however we’ve had many, far worse away kits than that.
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So both kits have some odd design watermark bollocks.
The away is miles better than the home shirt mind.
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Call me daft, but looking at the pics on the official website, do the women's shorts seem a lot tighter than the men's?
Yes. It's almost as if women's clothing can be tailored differently to men's. But I'm sure anyone can buy or wear they style they prefer.
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I like it. ;D
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is that a tribute to textured wallpaper
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Credit for having the shitty sponsor in claret at least, that branded yellow would look awful (as it does on the home).
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Call me daft, but looking at the pics on the official website, do the women's shorts seem a lot tighter than the men's?
Probably depends on what size you buy.
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I like it. ;D
Me too, sponsor logo in one colour much better. I like the watermark effect of the various lions used within our club since 1874. Not sure about the back. Wing slightly longer than front, we’ve done that before though.
I bet Chris Heck is having palpitations today seeing it launched, but only available online and not in club shop, a marketing nightmare .
Will be interesting to see how these launches pan out next year under his total guidance . Is it the last year with Castore ?
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That nice claret match day top is now available on the online store btw. Fifty of your Earth pounds.
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It's not a bad kit, but that pattern on the shirt is terrible. Why over complicate things?
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That nice claret match day top is now available on the online store btw. Fifty of your Earth pounds.
Those training tops are much nicer than the kit.
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I thought it was a paisley design on first glance. Nice enough colour but not mad on the pattern.
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It's fine. Not as nice as the white Kappa kit, but still ok.
I don't mind it at all, prefer it to last season's. The shorts look great and the fact that the badge, logo and sponsor are all claret is a plus. Not overly keen on the detailing but it may have looked a bit too simple if it were all white. I also suspect that it will look quite nice on the players on TV.
The white Kappa away kit was lovely though, I purchased a 'pro' version of it for £30 earlier in the week.
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None of it available in the club shop yet.
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None of it available in the club shop yet.
Just looked on the online store.
THIS IS A PRE-ORDER ITEM. THIS ITEM SHIPS ON OR BEFORE Friday, 4 August 2023.
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None of it available in the club shop yet.
Just looked on the online store.
THIS IS A PRE-ORDER ITEM. THIS ITEM SHIPS ON OR BEFORE Friday, 4 August 2023.
Doubt it will arrive in time for the Valencia game.
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is that a tribute to textured wallpaper
"A unique design that showcases the lions that have represented Aston Villa throughout its existence, reimagined as roadkill."
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What the flock?
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None of it available in the club shop yet.
Just looked on the online store.
THIS IS A PRE-ORDER ITEM. THIS ITEM SHIPS ON OR BEFORE Friday, 4 August 2023.
Maybe the new season start date caught them by surprise
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What the flock?
;D
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I don't mind it, but two observations:
We now have a third badge in use this season.
Why couldn't we have had a single-colour sponsor logo on the home shirt?
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That nice claret match day top is now available on the online store btw. Fifty of your Earth pounds.
Those training tops are much nicer than the kit.
I like the training gear, particularly as it’s sponsor free.
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I don't mind it, but two observations:
We now have a third badge in use this season.
Why couldn't we have had a single-colour sponsor logo on the home shirt?
Yes it looks so much better in single colour , so tacky on the home
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Fair point
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So the women’s shorts are white for home and sky blue for away….thought most clubs were moving to women’s kits having dark shorts?
As for the shirts, as a middle aged bloke with a front row forward build I am not the target market but I am sure there will be plenty sold. I can see past the scummy sponsor but neither shirt is offensive but neither will be iconic unless we actually win something in them
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So the women’s shorts are white for home and sky blue for away….thought most clubs were moving to women’s kits having dark shorts?
As for the shirts, as a middle aged bloke with a front row forward build I am not the target market but I am sure there will be plenty sold. I can see past the scummy sponsor but neither shirt is offensive but neither will be iconic unless we actually win something in them
The Women's kit is just a photo opportunity. They will wear claret shorts at home like last season.
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It's not traditional but I think claret shorts look better anyway.
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So the women’s shorts are white for home and sky blue for away….thought most clubs were moving to women’s kits having dark shorts?
As for the shirts, as a middle aged bloke with a front row forward build I am not the target market but I am sure there will be plenty sold. I can see past the scummy sponsor but neither shirt is offensive but neither will be iconic unless we actually win something in them
The Women's kit is just a photo opportunity. They will wear claret shorts at home like last season.
That’s good
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It all makes sense now. It's a visual timeline print. Twats.
A unique design that showcases the lions that have represented Aston Villa throughout its existence, the new away shirt is a visual timeline print that tells the story of the club’s proud journey since our foundation in 1874.
The redesigned crest, which pays homage to our European Cup-winning heroes of 1982, appears on Villa’s playing and training kits this season.
The new kit will be worn for the first time when the men’s first team play against Brentford in Maryland, USA, in the Premier League Summer Series on Sunday, July 30.
The fact that they are still going with this "homage" bullshit is incredibly insulting...
I don't mind the jersey. Its better than the home one, but I cant begin to describe how irritating it is to have all the fans thought of as absolute imbeciles by the club...
Just admit what is happening & most of us will accept it...
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(https://i.ibb.co/jJ2JPYX/aston-villa-castore-away-pro-shirt-2023-24-ss5-p-13375809-pv-1-u-8qdf3jpkxsumq3jlbtmf-v-2jnjpbn5p9if.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QDRD3Vw)
(https://i.ibb.co/47FHKYQ/aston-villa-castore-away-pro-shirt-2023-24-ss5-p-13375809-pv-1-u-8qdf3jpkxsumq3jlbtmf-v-2jnjpbn5p9if.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZVf0GYZ)
Why have they put Pikachu on there?
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On a separate but slightly related note, I got my 89/90 away shirt from that chap someone linked to on Instagram a while back & it is a thing of beauty.
Going to get them to source me the home shirt from the same year too... 👍
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Currently, if you buy it from Fanatics directly, SCORE15 will give you a 15% discount (although it wipes out the free delivery).
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Why are there sniper rifles trained on the back's of players shirts?
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Those lions are all facing the wrong way.
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I'm digging the shorts for both home and away. The socks too, actually.
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90 (NINETY) euro on Fanatics.fr
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From a distance it just white. It’s fine, a bit meh. It will look nice when the players play in it. I wish we were bolder with our colours and designs.
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I'm digging the shorts for both home and away. The socks too, actually.
Same here, all look good with the new badge.
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From a distance it just white. It’s fine, a bit meh. It will look nice when the players play in it. I wish we were bolder with our colours and designs.
The other downside is that it may well rule out a 'traditional' white away kit for the anniversary season.
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I like it and as previously mentioned the logo and badge being all claret looks far better. I don't buy kits any more but more importantly my niece and nephew really like it and they are much more fashion conscious.
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The other downside is that it may well rule out a 'traditional' white away kit for the anniversary season.
Looking at footballshirthistory the first away kit they have for us is black and white hoops.
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I like it and as previously mentioned the logo and badge being all claret looks far better. I don't buy kits any more but more importantly my niece and nephew really like it and they are much more fashion conscious.
Hit the nail on the head.
These days the tops aren’t aimed at 30-40+ age group. Which, I’d guess, rules out the majority on here, given some responses 😂
They are very much marketed at the younger age groups.
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Which makes having a betting company as a sponsor even more ridiculous. Kids can’t have the same logo on their replica shirt as the players.
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I like it and as previously mentioned the logo and badge being all claret looks far better. I don't buy kits any more but more importantly my niece and nephew really like it and they are much more fashion conscious.
Hit the nail on the head.
These days the tops aren’t aimed at 30-40+ age group. Which, I’d guess, rules out the majority on here, given some responses 😂
They are very much marketed at the younger age groups.
I reckon everyone looks like Abe Simpson on here, although saying that I look about 30 years older than I am.
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Shame the badge isn't the actual club badge because it's a very nice top and I'd almost be tempted into buying a training item if it was the official club badge until then I won't buy anything
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I think the shirt looks pretty good, and the kit as a whole is nice. I probably won't buy one until they're 60% off but here's to hoping the third kit is an instant classic.
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The kit looks nice in the video they posted, when you can see the players moving in it. I honestly quite like it, definitely better than the home one.
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It's terrible. The pattern is a complete mess, and the colour is what you'd expect as the result of putting a white shirt on a hot wash along with a dozen brand new black socks.
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It's terrible. The pattern is a complete mess, and the colour is what you'd expect as the result of putting a white shirt on a hot wash along with a dozen brand new black socks.
You're a monster!
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It's terrible. The pattern is a complete mess, and the colour is what you'd expect as the result of putting a white shirt on a hot wash along with a dozen brand new black socks.
You're a monster!
Indeed, what type of savage puts non-white clothes in with their whites? Really, some people!
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And why would you wash brand new socks anyway? DISGRACE!
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Those lions are all facing the wrong way.
Turn your screen around!
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Those lions are all facing the wrong way.
Turn your screen around!
Love to hear percussion
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The training wear looks first class - no sponsor name on it which is a massive bonus...while not cheap its comparable with leisure wear ....my problem at the moment is reducing the planned spend lol But look good stuff in design terms
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I really like the away shirt, it's unique to us, I like the silver on white collage. It looks like a team playing in Europe's kit, it's got a Villa badge of some sort on it - win.
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I'm at the age range and profile now whereby regardless of kit design - home / away / training etc I look stupid in any of it so i sensibly veer away from all of it
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I'm at the age range and profile now whereby regardless of kit design - home / away / training etc I look stupid in any of it so i sensibly veer away from all of it
I read that and prayed you're older than me. :P
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The training stuff on the website is still all last season.
Poor imo.
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The training stuff on the website is still all last season.
Poor imo.
They are all there, I've ordered the claret match day one.
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I like the white and blue one too.
(https://i.ibb.co/JvC66qj/training.png)
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The online shop looks really badly put together. You can scroll through 500+ versions of shirts, choosing a shirt for men, women or kids, with with every player's name, again either men or women. Why not just have the choice of the shirt for men or women, with an option to add whatever name you want at the end?
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The online shop looks really badly put together. You can scroll through 500+ versions of shirts, choosing a shirt for men, women or kids, with with every player's name, again either men or women. Why not just have the choice of the shirt for men or women, with an option to add whatever name you want at the end?
yeh it's pretty crap in 2023 vs many of the online shopping experiences you find today
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Shame the badge isn't the actual club badge because it's a very nice top and I'd almost be tempted into buying a training item if it was the official club badge until then I won't buy anything
That's a good point on the badge Flin, why haven't you mentioned that before?
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Shame the badge isn't the actual club badge because it's a very nice top and I'd almost be tempted into buying a training item if it was the official club badge until then I won't buy anything
That's a good point on the badge Flin, why haven't you mentioned that before?
Hope to get the message across and those that attend fan meetings can make it known we don't want the shield , it's woeful.
The more I see the new badge in all it's variations the more I love it , it looks absolutely fantastic on the new jersey, I never buy them but if I knew it was THE club badge I'd consider buying one when they are in the sale .
Hopefully HECK will listen
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The online shop looks really badly put together. You can scroll through 500+ versions of shirts, choosing a shirt for men, women or kids, with with every player's name, again either men or women. Why not just have the choice of the shirt for men or women, with an option to add whatever name you want at the end?
The Fanatics website does it better. There is a drop down list of players' names and a box to personalise. However, you can only have 10 characters so I could have "Bad Englis" and that is that. I might have "FTF!" though.
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Shame the badge isn't the actual club badge because it's a very nice top and I'd almost be tempted into buying a training item if it was the official club badge until then I won't buy anything
That's a good point on the badge Flin, why haven't you mentioned that before?
Hope to get the message across and those that attend fan meetings can make it known we don't want the shield , it's woeful.
The more I see the new badge in all it's variations the more I love it , it looks absolutely fantastic on the new jersey, I never buy them but if I knew it was THE club badge I'd consider buying one when they are in the sale .
Hopefully HECK will listen
Erm… as the person responsible for increasing our revenue, I’m not sure he’s really going to listen to people who won’t buy the shirts anyway…
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The online shop is terrible, the design, the look the feel , same with the website (badge don't help ) . Looks weak and boring .
Look at Man Utd web for inspiration
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Shame the badge isn't the actual club badge because it's a very nice top and I'd almost be tempted into buying a training item if it was the official club badge until then I won't buy anything
That's a good point on the badge Flin, why haven't you mentioned that before?
Hope to get the message across and those that attend fan meetings can make it known we don't want the shield , it's woeful.
The more I see the new badge in all it's variations the more I love it , it looks absolutely fantastic on the new jersey, I never buy them but if I knew it was THE club badge I'd consider buying one when they are in the sale .
Hopefully HECK will listen
Presuming that you have contacted those that attend the meetings to ensure the topic is discussed?
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The online shop is terrible, the design, the look the feel , same with the website (badge don't help ) . Looks weak and boring .
Look at Man Utd web for inspiration
Why anyone would go on there is beyond me, but I did.. and it's literally the same thing. Shirts with different names and numbers just strewn throughout the page without any real order.
Nice try though! Is your big red nose foam or rubber?
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The online shop is terrible, the design, the look the feel , same with the website (badge don't help ) . Looks weak and boring .
Look at Man Utd web for inspiration
Why anyone would go on there is beyond me, but I did.. and it's literally the same thing. Shirts with different names and numbers just strewn throughout the page without any real order.
Nice try though! Is your big red nose foam or rubber?
It’s run by Fanatics, same as ours! ;D
He’d buy an Aston Martin, you know, but the sunvisor vanity mirror is the wrong size. It’s embarrassing. If they changed that, he’d definitely get one.
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The online shop is terrible, the design, the look the feel , same with the website (badge don't help ) . Looks weak and boring .
Look at Man Utd web for inspiration
Why anyone would go on there is beyond me, but I did.. and it's literally the same thing. Shirts with different names and numbers just strewn throughout the page without any real order.
Nice try though! Is your big red nose foam or rubber?
It’s run by Fanatics, same as ours! ;D
He’d buy an Aston Martin, you know, but the sunvisor vanity mirror is the wrong size. It’s embarrassing. If they changed that, he’d definitely get one.
No, no.. it's a disgrace! I know this is a free speech absolutionist forum, but my god could this guy get away with trolling any more? We're on the highest of highs at the moment and he just posts the most nonsensical and pedantic complaints. Get a life.
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I said the website not the club store. It's significantly better laid out
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I said the website not the club store. It's significantly better laid out
Do me a favor, click this link to the club store you are talking about - https://us.store.manutd.com/ and then click on Jerseys (Men) and tell me how its any different from ours.
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I said the website not the club store. It's significantly better laid out
Do me a favor, click this link to the club store you are talking about - https://us.store.manutd.com/ and then click on Jerseys (Men) and tell me how its any different from ours.
It's exactly the same. Block him like I have, he's a massive bore.
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I said the website not the club store. It's significantly better laid out
Do me a favor, click this link to the club store you are talking about - https://us.store.manutd.com/ and then click on Jerseys (Men) and tell me how its any different from ours.
It's exactly the same. Block him like I have, he's a massive bore.
He is. My point was is that our club shopping experience isn't great and needs to be improved. Man U isn't any better or significantly different. There are few clubs that do this really well.
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I said the website not the club store. It's significantly better laid out
Do me a favor, click this link to the club store you are talking about - https://us.store.manutd.com/ and then click on Jerseys (Men) and tell me how its any different from ours.
It's exactly the same. Block him like I have, he's a massive bore.
He is. My point was is that our club shopping experience isn't great and needs to be improved. Man U isn't any better or significantly different. There are few clubs that do this really well.
Oh, I agree with you. It should be as simple as clicking "Home Kit" and then having a few drop down menu's for sizing, customization and PL badges. It would save a ton of bandwidth as well.
I just cannot believe the lengths some go to in order to disparage the club.
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Slightly of topic but have just been mooching around on footykits and nees to say if you haven't seen it already then take a peek at the Hearts 150th anniversary 3rd shirt by Umbro it really is a thing of beauty
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I said the website not the club store. It's significantly better laid out
Do me a favor, click this link to the club store you are talking about - https://us.store.manutd.com/ and then click on Jerseys (Men) and tell me how its any different from ours.
It's exactly the same. Block him like I have, he's a massive bore.
He is. My point was is that our club shopping experience isn't great and needs to be improved. Man U isn't any better or significantly different. There are few clubs that do this really well.
Oh, I agree with you. It should be as simple as clicking "Home Kit" and then having a few drop down menu's for sizing, customization and PL badges. It would save a ton of bandwidth as well.
I just cannot believe the lengths some go to in order to disparage the club.
Well yeh, he lives for it.
But back to online experience, it’s why companies like Fanatics has done so well. They realized sports team don’t provide a good merchandise experience to their fans so they instead manage it for them through their site. There’s a few clubs on there today, it’s mainly US based sports. But we should just do that instead.
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My away shirt shipped at 1pm, apparently. But my training top not due till mid-August.
What am I gonna train my beer-belly in till then? :'(
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Slightly of topic but have just been mooching around on footykits and nees to say if you haven't seen it already then take a peek at the Hearts 150th anniversary 3rd shirt by Umbro it really is a thing of beauty
Be a nightmare to keep grass stains off.
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Slightly of topic but have just been mooching around on footykits and nees to say if you haven't seen it already then take a peek at the Hearts 150th anniversary 3rd shirt by Umbro it really is a thing of beauty
Yes, very different, but smart. Like that.
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Liking the setting of Aston Hall for the new kit. Hopefully building some sort of mutually beneficial relationship.
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This is how you do a homage
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My away shirt shipped at 1pm, apparently. But my training top not due till mid-August.
What am I gonna train my beer-belly in till then? :'(
stick to the Stella vest, impress the ladies
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My away shirt shipped at 1pm, apparently. But my training top not due till mid-August.
What am I gonna train my beer-belly in till then? :'(
stick to the Stella vest, impress the ladies
That may not be high on his list of priorities.
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Look at Man Utd web for inspiration
I would do, but I’m too busy castrating myself with a rusty bread knife.
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This is how you do a homage
Excellent
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My away shirt shipped at 1pm, apparently. But my training top not due till mid-August.
What am I gonna train my beer-belly in till then? :'(
stick to the Stella vest, impress the ladies
That may not be high on his list of priorities.
;D Well, after a few stellas…
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Those lions are all facing the wrong way.
Turn your screen around!
Love to hear percussion
I turned it upside down
Still facing the wrong way.
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This is how you do a homage
Excellent
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I hope our commercial/marketing teams watch this with the anniversary kit in mind for next season.
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That's how you do it - That is quality.
Might sound a little bit Wilma-ish, but based on recent commercial ventures by the club, I'm a little apprehensive as to what our lot conjure up next year!
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Call me daft, but looking at the pics on the official website, do the women's shorts seem a lot tighter than the men's?
Yes. It's almost as if women's clothing can be tailored differently to men's. But I'm sure anyone can buy or wear they style they prefer.
Yeah, I get that. It's just that my first reaction was that Sepp "women should wear tighter shorts to attract viewers" Blatter had been involved in the kit design.
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That's how you do it - That is quality.
Might sound a little bit Wilma-ish, but based on recent commercial ventures by the club, I'm a little apprehensive as to what our lot conjure up next year!
It's almost as if it might be worth bringing in a new head of the commercial side of the club, with a history of turning around the financial performance of a sports club, and let him start from scratch with everything brand and marketing related.
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That's how you do it - That is quality.
Might sound a little bit Wilma-ish, but based on recent commercial ventures by the club, I'm a little apprehensive as to what our lot conjure up next year!
It's almost as if it might be worth bringing in a new head of the commercial side of the club, with a history of turning around the financial performance of a sports club, and let him start from scratch with everything brand and marketing related.
Yep, fully aware of Heck coming in and hopefully sorting stuff, but the pushback from fans on this shitshow with the holte, along with the badge stuff… would be nice for him to pop his head above the parapet and actually explain what is going on at the club.
Me personally, I’m in the trinity upper so none of this affects me, but the holte should be for die hard fans only imo, not prawn sandwich hooray Henry’s with more money than sense!
Would be interesting to know how much involvement he had in that decision. He joined with enough time to stop it in its tracks, (*as he did with the badge), so imo, it’s on his watch.
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Away top arrived. It’s nice!
My only issue with it is that it failed to make me look as good as Moreno does in it. >:( No idea why!
Both tops seem fairly baggy for mediums. I guess it’s growing room.
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That's how you do it - That is quality.
Might sound a little bit Wilma-ish, but based on recent commercial ventures by the club, I'm a little apprehensive as to what our lot conjure up next year!
It's almost as if it might be worth bringing in a new head of the commercial side of the club, with a history of turning around the financial performance of a sports club, and let him start from scratch with everything brand and marketing related.
Yep, fully aware of Heck coming in and hopefully sorting stuff, but the pushback from fans on this shitshow with the holte, along with the badge stuff… would be nice for him to pop his head above the parapet and actually explain what is going on at the club.
Me personally, I’m in the trinity upper so none of this affects me, but the holte should be for die hard fans only imo, not prawn sandwich hooray Henry’s with more money than sense!
Would be interesting to know how much involvement he had in that decision. He joined with enough time to stop it in its tracks, (*as he did with the badge), so imo, it’s on his watch.
I would imagine that it's easier to say stick with what we've done and no more than it is to reverse some fairly extensive building work.
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Away top arrived. It’s nice!
My only issue with it is that it failed to make me look as good as Moreno does in it. >:( No idea why!
Both tops seem fairly baggy for mediums. I guess it’s growing room.
Any chance you could post close up shots?
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Away top arrived. It’s nice!
My only issue with it is that it failed to make me look as good as Moreno does in it. >:( No idea why!
Both tops seem fairly baggy for mediums. I guess it’s growing room.
Any chance you could post close up shots?
Here you go! I’ve removed my physique from it, for everyone’s comfort. ;D
(https://i.ibb.co/LRLq1TF/C7-BCDED2-ECBB-4-EEF-A5-C1-1122-E2952-D68.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/BKj2BNS/44486-E07-F66-C-450-F-8-F65-5-BC1-ECD76-EC5.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/8DczzX4/C51-C0-A82-E369-4454-8510-404-C2-BE6461-C.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/HFFRvsT/4-F77-D6-EB-73-C6-45-B9-B715-D596-C2-E976-D6.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/LCqSxRQ/24522-EE9-E07-C-4591-8-B10-EE9-E6-DB432-EE.jpg)
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Away top arrived. It’s nice!
My only issue with it is that it failed to make me look as good as Moreno does in it. >:( No idea why!
On the flip side, you sound happier with it than Moreno looks in the photos.
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That crest is so nice without the yellow...
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Away top arrived. It’s nice!
My only issue with it is that it failed to make me look as good as Moreno does in it. >:( No idea why!
On the flip side, you sound happier with it than Moreno looks in the photos.
Yeah, but I look moodier!
(https://i.ibb.co/T8RyVbx/4-D471-ED3-7-C10-4702-91-F0-BDAD111187-FF.jpg)
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I'm a little bit disappointed that you don't look like a Musckahound.
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I'm a little bit disappointed that you don't look like a Musckahound.
Funnily enough, I always imagine you look like Clamps from Futurama…
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I'm a little bit disappointed that you don't look like a Musckahound.
Funnily enough, I always imagine you look like Clamps from Futurama…
Funnily enough, I do look like Diego Carlos.
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It looks quite nice. I guess they were going for all white but I think a little trim of claret around the neck and sleeve ends would have improved it.
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I'm a little bit disappointed that you don't look like a Musckahound.
Funnily enough, I always imagine you look like Clamps from Futurama…
Funnily enough, I do look like Diego Carlos.
;D
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(https://i.ibb.co/BKj2BNS/44486-E07-F66-C-450-F-8-F65-5-BC1-ECD76-EC5.jpg)
That carpet look well hoovered. 👍
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Thanks, I shall pass along your kind words to someone who knows where the vacuum cleaner is kept!
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Looks good on you Dogtanian, I think looks even better than I expected.
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(https://i.ibb.co/BKj2BNS/44486-E07-F66-C-450-F-8-F65-5-BC1-ECD76-EC5.jpg)
That carpet look well hoovered. 👍
I thought it was on a giant corkboard!
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Looks good on you Dogtanian, I think looks even better than I expected.
He could have had a shave.
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Looks good on you Dogtanian, I think looks even better than I expected.
He could have had a shave.
he did
neck down.
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Away top arrived. It’s nice!
My only issue with it is that it failed to make me look as good as Moreno does in it. >:( No idea why!
Both tops seem fairly baggy for mediums. I guess it’s growing room.
Any chance you could post close up shots?
Here you go! I’ve removed my physique from it, for everyone’s comfort. ;D
(https://i.ibb.co/LRLq1TF/C7-BCDED2-ECBB-4-EEF-A5-C1-1122-E2952-D68.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/BKj2BNS/44486-E07-F66-C-450-F-8-F65-5-BC1-ECD76-EC5.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/8DczzX4/C51-C0-A82-E369-4454-8510-404-C2-BE6461-C.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/HFFRvsT/4-F77-D6-EB-73-C6-45-B9-B715-D596-C2-E976-D6.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/LCqSxRQ/24522-EE9-E07-C-4591-8-B10-EE9-E6-DB432-EE.jpg)
Thanks mate, looks good tbh.
Badge is much better.
8)
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Away top arrived. It’s nice!
My only issue with it is that it failed to make me look as good as Moreno does in it. >:( No idea why!
On the flip side, you sound happier with it than Moreno looks in the photos.
Yeah, but I look moodier!
(https://i.ibb.co/T8RyVbx/4-D471-ED3-7-C10-4702-91-F0-BDAD111187-FF.jpg)
It’s Danny Dyer!
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Looks good on you Dogtanian, I think looks even better than I expected.
He could have had a shave.
I'd cut him some slack, he's good on Taskmaster.
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(https://i.ibb.co/T8RyVbx/4-D471-ED3-7-C10-4702-91-F0-BDAD111187-FF.jpg)
It’s Danny Dyer!
That's Pwopa Nawty! :(
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(https://i.ibb.co/T8RyVbx/4-D471-ED3-7-C10-4702-91-F0-BDAD111187-FF.jpg)
It’s Danny Dyer!
That's Pwopa Nawty! :(
Fak orff
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Away top arrived. It’s nice!
My only issue with it is that it failed to make me look as good as Moreno does in it. >:( No idea why!
On the flip side, you sound happier with it than Moreno looks in the photos.
Yeah, but I look moodier!
(https://i.ibb.co/T8RyVbx/4-D471-ED3-7-C10-4702-91-F0-BDAD111187-FF.jpg)
I thought you said you had a beer belly? Liar!
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From a distance I thought it was Dave Bytheway.
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Fair play- it’s made me now want to buy one whereas the official marketing was very meh. You want to be asking for a commission on sales and possibly consider a career in modelling.
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Grrrr >:(
Danny Dyer? Dooo me a favour!
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I received my order this morning. Unfortunately they sent me the home shirt by mistake! It’s another £5.90 to return the shirt.
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I received my order this morning. Unfortunately they sent me the home shirt by mistake! It’s another £5.90 to return the shirt.
That’s ridiculous!
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I received my order this morning. Unfortunately they sent me the home shirt by mistake! It’s another £5.90 to return the shirt.
That’s ridiculous!
It’ll be the last time I order from the online store.
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Grrrr >:(
Danny Dyer? Dooo me a favour!
Ok treacle ;)
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Looks brilliant. Would like to buy one but until the badge is confirmed as the official club crest as agreed and promised I won't be purchasing .
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I received my order this morning. Unfortunately they sent me the home shirt by mistake! It’s another £5.90 to return the shirt.
If it's their mistake they should be covering the return costs.
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I received my order this morning. Unfortunately they sent me the home shirt by mistake! It’s another £5.90 to return the shirt.
If it's their mistake they should be covering the return costs.
Make a complaint , I'd expect postage covered and compensation
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I received my order this morning. Unfortunately they sent me the home shirt by mistake! It’s another £5.90 to return the shirt.
If it's their mistake they should be covering the return costs.
Make a complaint , I'd expect postage covered and compensation
Postage covered and the correct item sent out. As for compensation, this is not an episode of Suits.
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I’ll take it further if they don’t refund the postage. The stupid thing is, you can’t ask for an exchange, so you have to make a fresh order and wait up to 14 days to be refunded for the wrongly sent order.
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Ordered something some years ago and had the same problems, decided to get from the shop in future and also sizes are different,at least in the shop you can try them on
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Ordered something some years ago and had the same problems, decided to get from the shop in future and also sizes are different,at least in the shop you can try them on
I would usually get it from the shop at VP but for some reason it’s not available there yet. It was a bit of a spur of the moment purchase. Wish I hadn’t bothered now!
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Away shirt is better than the home one. Might get it at the end of the season.
Wonder what the third shirt will look like.
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Trying to get my lad the home kit but online, 7/8 yrs has not been available for a while. Anyone know if better chance than will have it at the VP store?
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https://www.givemesport.com/premier-league-home-kits-tierlist/?utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2mjLZjswZdre100giZ6ihq8JGiZ4UB18Gd7fAFuhU8A6YXObfTNonHydw
Quite a harsh review
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Don't disagree
Is it Burnley? Is it West Ham? No, it's Aston Villa.
Sorry Villa fans, but this just isn't it. The weird pattern on the claret looks like a carpet from a backstreet pub while the sponsor just stands out like a sore thumb. If there is any praise, then Castore may have created a more Burnley-looking kit than Burnley themselves. Other than that, this is the sort of kit that deserves relegation. It's horrible.
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Don't get me wrong, I dislike the kit, but when they praise the Liverpool kit, but then slate the West Ham kit for being too boring, you have to question the agenda behind their comments...
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Its a teenager on givemesport, who gives a shit. Liverpool and Forest have the same home kit and one is "Frame It" and the other is "Put it in the Bin".. guess which is which. He has the manchester clubs as the top two home kits.. shocker. Nothing but a wannabe football writer.
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He's a Man Utd fan from Bournemouth.
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He's a Man Utd fan from Bournemouth.
says it all really
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He's a Man Utd fan from Bournemouth.
Enough said...
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He's a Man Utd fan from Bournemouth.
Enough said...
Sorry, no!
Is he? What a twat!
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How long was the Castore deal for?
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How long was the Castore deal for?
too long
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How long was the Castore deal for?
too long
haha yeah ;D
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Training shirts etc now on pre-order. Prices in US$...
Heck is changing everything!
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I quite like some of the hoodies. But I've learned my lesson about ordering from a pic and will wait till I have seen them in the flesh.
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Training shirts etc now on pre-order. Prices in US$...
Heck is changing everything!
Yes, mine was the same.
Wore mine for the first time at 5-a-side last night. It's now been washed and the badge is coming a bit unstuck already. Honestly the quality is horrible, I'd send it back if I could be arsed.
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Training shirts etc now on pre-order. Prices in US$...
Heck is changing everything!
Yes, mine was the same.
Wore mine for the first time at 5-a-side last night. It's now been washed and the badge is coming a bit unstuck already. Honestly the quality is horrible, I'd send it back if I could be arsed.
That is terrible mate , I know it is a pain but sometimes I think they rely on the apathy
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Wouldn't happen with a decent manufacturer.
I saw that Al Nassr have now got rid of Duneus (never heard of them) and have Nike making their kits. Even they know that to improve the club's brand and image then good kits and training wear is important. Even if they aren't making the same in sponsorship that they were before (yes I know they can afford to do so).
At the moment with all the Macron, Kappa, Luke and Castore we look like a shit club.
I hope Heck is aware of this and sorts it out.
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Wouldn't happen with a decent manufacturer.
I saw that Al Nassr have now got rid of Duneus (never heard of them) and have Nike making their kits. Even they know that to improve the club's brand and image then good kits and training wear is important. Even if they aren't making the same in sponsorship that they were before (yes I know they can afford to do so).
At the moment with all the Macron, Kappa, Luke and Castore we look like a shit club.
I hope Heck is aware of this and sorts it out.
The Luke stuff was alright.
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Seeing bits and pieces of the women's world cup and the Nike kits are just so classy. Even the French away, which is really a very plain design, just looks really good.
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Can't stand Nike kits
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I quite like some of the hoodies. But I've learned my lesson about ordering from a pic and will wait till I have seen them in the flesh.
The hoodies look ok but I think anyone over 45 wearing a hoodie is on thin ice
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Castore, Macron, the hallmarks of meh clubs wearing second rate shit.
Disappointed we signed with them.
You’d think for the insane cost you might get something that could withstand a bout in a washing machine.
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Why can't we just have bloody Adidas and a set club badge . Arsenal's 3rd shirt is fantastic
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I quite like some of the hoodies. But I've learned my lesson about ordering from a pic and will wait till I have seen them in the flesh.
The hoodies look ok but I think anyone over 45 wearing a hoodie is on thin ice
I've gone straight through the ice and am in freezing water then.
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I quite like some of the hoodies. But I've learned my lesson about ordering from a pic and will wait till I have seen them in the flesh.
The hoodies look ok but I think anyone over 45 wearing a hoodie is on thin ice
I've gone straight through the ice and am in freezing water then.
;D
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Popped to the store and the new shirts look ok but feel cheap and are paper thin. The training kit looks ok but the crap white transfer badge also make them look cheap, which at £95 for a jacket they really aren’t.
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Do the Newcastle or Rangers fans have similar problems with their kits, does anyone know? Or is the cheap badge issue solely a Villa problem?
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They do,
Put it on Google and there's plenty of outraged Scots and newcastle.supporters
https://www.footyheadlines.com/2023/01/more-castore-quality-woes-badgeless.html
How do these companies get away with it
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Yeah, when Rangers first got Castore there was a very lengthy thread on their forum about the product quality. Seems to be less of an issue these days.
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The material on the new one is really thin and horrible, and it stays creased after washing, which is weird for polyester.
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Castore need binning.
A crap producer of crap kits
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(https://i.ibb.co/3WSf351/20230803-081908.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3WSf351)
3rd kit anyone?
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I can imagine the reaction if every jersey except the home one has a plain coloured sponsor logo on it.
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(https://i.ibb.co/3WSf351/20230803-081908.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3WSf351)
3rd kit anyone?
I dread to think what the pattern is meant to be on this one.
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(https://i.ibb.co/3WSf351/20230803-081908.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3WSf351)
3rd kit anyone?
I dread to think what the pattern is meant to be on this one.
"The new Aston Villa third kit carries an undulating pattern paying homage to the waves of vomit that erupted from our loyal fans when they first read the marketing speak accompanying the announcement of the new Holte End Terrace View facility"
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"An homage to our historic battles with Coventry City"
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Hard to tell from the photo above but on one I saw on Twitter it appears to be dark blue.
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Hard to tell from the photo above but on one I saw on Twitter it appears to be dark blue.
Its a colour we should never use, its like that Arse 3rd kit last season that looks exactly like a spurs shirt.
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(https://i.ibb.co/0JFskpr/3rd.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0JFskpr)
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(https://i.ibb.co/0JFskpr/3rd.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0JFskpr)
...Okay, I'm not sure about that.
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If that's the real one, then that is absolute dog turd
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It looks like an early-nineties Coventry atrocity.
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That's their worst effort yet, and it's a low bar. Blimey.
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My eyes my eyes.
That is awful.
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Looks like a 90s goalkeeper shirt.
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Looks like it should have TRITON SHOWERS written across the front
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Please no, wtf is going on.
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Third kits always seem to be a bit off the wall from the traditional colours and design. I’m sure this will look very different on the players when they model it. That said I find many of our kits and colour choices recently to be a bit “we knocked this together quickly for you” versus many you see out there. Still I ain’t buying one and I want the players in it to perform vs what they look like. And as ever the target market isn’t fat 50+ blokes.
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Third kits always seem to be a bit off the wall from the traditional colours and design. I’m sure this will look very different on the players when they model it. That said I find many of our kits and colour choices recently to be a bit “we knocked this together quickly for you” versus many you see out there. Still I ain’t buying one and I want the players in it to perform vs what they look like. And as ever the target market isn’t fat 50+ blokes.
Tha target market is any Villa fan, and 50+ blokes probably have higher disposable income than some younger age groups.
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It's an impressive achievement to make 3 shirts and all of them are shit.
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Third kits always seem to be a bit off the wall from the traditional colours and design. I’m sure this will look very different on the players when they model it. That said I find many of our kits and colour choices recently to be a bit “we knocked this together quickly for you” versus many you see out there. Still I ain’t buying one and I want the players in it to perform vs what they look like. And as ever the target market isn’t fat 50+ blokes.
Tha target market is any Villa fan, and 50+ blokes probably have higher disposable income than some younger age groups.
There are plenty of younger Villa fans with enough money to buy a kit. I’m specifically talking about the designs they attach to the non traditional kits. It’s to expand the reach to demographics that don’t buy the traditional designs. That’s why in North America they are constantly developing new designs, retro, alternates to attract fans who want something a bit different to the norm. Especially basketball out here but other sports have cottoned on. The third kit phenomena didn’t exist in football until quite recently. And even changing kits every is quite recent when you used to think kits wouldn’t change each year.
And this leaked top might even be a keeper kit for all we know. Or it might not be the kit at all.
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It's an impressive achievement to make 3 shirts and all of them are shit.
They are a bit this year. As a collection it’s the worst we’ve had in a while.
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It's an impressive achievement to make 3 shirts and all of them are shit.
I wouldn't mind so much if the quality wasn't so desperately poor. I mean, designs aren't always to everybody's tastes. I happen to think all of these this season are absolute shite, but it's the quality that's the worst thing about them. As somebody else says above, the polyester fabric is the thinnest possible, and even allowing for third world sweat shop quality control, these are abysmal. My home shirt looks like it was sewn together by somebody with very poor eyesight and possibly only one functioning hand. The sponsor logos are dreadful and the badge is already starting to peel. Be a shame that if we do have a really good season that it won't be accomplished with a suitably nice kit.
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Quality issues aside I honestly don't mind the away one. I'll reserve judgement until we see it in its entirety, but the 3rd one looks fine too. I personally think we'll look much better than West Ham did winning the Conference in their 3rd shirts.
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Ours looks incredibly thin on the players that they soaking right through it. Admittedly I don’t look enough at other kits but that doesn’t seem the way for the other teams. To the point that the colour on the kit shouldn’t completely change because of sweat. The colour improved mind you,
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The white one would be ok if it didn't have the magic eye pattern and the dots on it as though the Predator is taking aim. Plus the wanky marketing guff.
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The white one would be ok if it didn't have the magic eye pattern and the dots on it as though the Predator is taking aim. Plus the wanky marketing guff.
The dots are only on the Pro one, they're the laser-etched scent-distribution system, or something.
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The white one would be ok if it didn't have the magic eye pattern and the dots on it as though the Predator is taking aim. Plus the wanky marketing guff.
The dots are only on the Pro one, they're the laser-etched scent-distribution system, or something.
AKA holes with what looks like A4 paper hole reinforcers on them.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB6rqyGU0AIhFKH.jpg)
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I hope that's the end result when the time comes to renegotiate their contract.
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Looks like a 90s goalkeeper shirt.
You could imagine Jorge Campos strutting around in that in about 15 sizes too large for him.
Horrific...
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(https://i.ibb.co/0JFskpr/3rd.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0JFskpr)
...Okay, I'm not sure about that.
"The print design is a nod to the clubs rich history depicting broken windows, referencing the time they had the FA Cup stolen from a shop window and Alexander Tonev's shooting"
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It could be an early 90s England top.
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(https://i.ibb.co/0JFskpr/3rd.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0JFskpr)
...Okay, I'm not sure about that.
that is fucking rank !!
is it the worst shirt ever ?
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(https://i.ibb.co/0JFskpr/3rd.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0JFskpr)
...Okay, I'm not sure about that.
that is fucking rank !!
is it the worst shirt ever ?
Not while Coventry City's chocolate brown one happened.
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(https://i.ibb.co/0QQbwDp/chocolate.jpg)
A kit so bad, it causes the wearer to grimace uncontrollably and other player's to aim punches at you with abandon.
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(https://i.ibb.co/0JFskpr/3rd.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0JFskpr)
Fingers crossed that if that is legit, it is the keepers top.
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I prefer that to our new 3rd kit, tbh. At least it's got a bit of 70s retro chic about it. So bad it's good. Ours is just shit.
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I prefer that to our new 3rd kit, tbh. At least it's got a bit of 70s retro chic about it. So bad it's good. Ours is just shit.
Don't give them ideas for next year...
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They'll market it as a homage to Cadburys.
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They'll market it as a homage to Cadburys.
I have a feeling that would upset those in Small Heath.
What a shame.
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(https://i.ibb.co/0JFskpr/3rd.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0JFskpr)
that is hideous
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It's an impressive achievement to make 3 shirts and all of them are shit.
I wouldn't mind so much if the quality wasn't so desperately poor. I mean, designs aren't always to everybody's tastes. I happen to think all of these this season are absolute shite, but it's the quality that's the worst thing about them. As somebody else says above, the polyester fabric is the thinnest possible, and even allowing for third world sweat shop quality control, these are abysmal. My home shirt looks like it was sewn together by somebody with very poor eyesight and possibly only one functioning hand. The sponsor logos are dreadful and the badge is already starting to peel. Be a shame that if we do have a really good season that it won't be accomplished with a suitably nice kit.
Re: peeling logos - you didn't wash it with fabric softener did you? There was a kit designer on one of the podcasts saying softener causes the stick-on badges and text to peel.
Regarding the rumoured 3rd kit, it looks like one of those camouflages you can unlock on Battlefield 4 or whatever. Urban Splinter.
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I would have thought it was washed with softener yes, as it would just have in with another load of dark stuff. Not going to wash it separately without softener just because they can't make kits that last.
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Just showed the supposed 3rd kit to my girlfriend, who is always incredibly positive, and got an "oh.."
Fuck, it's shit.
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Third kits are more of a leisure shirt these days, we'll probably only wear it a very small handful times this season. People might be hating it now, but it'll probably be called a classic in years to come - just like that hideous green & black Muller thing we had in the 90's.
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As seen elsewhere....
(apologies if already posted here)
(https://i.ibb.co/fSJPs7s/image-thumb-png-f04570f95af6e2860b8e2e4a1c16fc60.png) (https://ibb.co/fSJPs7s)
(https://i.ibb.co/cYf7Q0d/Screenshot2023-08-03at14-14-52-png-52147ede7a1470b5b60217bc1e178668.png) (https://ibb.co/cYf7Q0d)
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Do the Newcastle or Rangers fans have similar problems with their kits, does anyone know? Or is the cheap badge issue solely a Villa problem?
Dunno about the Geordies but Rangers yes. As said they were raging at the quality of the shirts when they first had them. Lopsided stitching shit material, wrong items being sent out.
How have Castore got all these deals done and managed to get where they are so quickly? It's certainly not because they're good.
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(https://i.ibb.co/0JFskpr/3rd.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0JFskpr)
First one this season where the collar is fine and not too busy. So they ruin the shirt with a wank pattern.
CASTORE OUT
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Can't stand Nike kits
What about the training stuff? The hoodies, jackets and so on would be top notch and actually worth buying.
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Can't stand Nike kits
I really liked the 2009/10 ones, but that's about it.
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How have Castore got all these deals done and managed to get where they are so quickly? It's certainly not because they're good.
Maybe that's the problem. They were alright initially doing small deals but expanded too fast and can't keep up with the demand now, so quality slips.
I'm assuming they were alright initially, I have no personal experience with them, I just know Andy Murray was wearing them for a few years, and then suddenly they're everywhere.
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imagine sauntering into Terrace View in that 3rd kit, with a pint of warm Carling and the badge half peeling off.
Living the dream
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imagine sauntering into Terrace View in that 3rd kit, with a pint of warm Carling and the badge half peeling off.
Living the dream
On your own because no one else you know got offered a ticket and they're all in a 25 minute queue 10 yards away...
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Just had the photos through from the chinese seller I ordered 2 shirts from.
Should be with me in a couple of days.
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(https://i.ibb.co/0JFskpr/3rd.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0JFskpr)
...Okay, I'm not sure about that.
"The print design is a nod to the clubs rich history depicting broken windows, referencing the time they had the FA Cup stolen from a shop window and Alexander Tonev's shooting"
I thought the thieves got in through the roof?
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As seen elsewhere....
(apologies if already posted here)
(https://i.ibb.co/fSJPs7s/image-thumb-png-f04570f95af6e2860b8e2e4a1c16fc60.png) (https://ibb.co/fSJPs7s)
(https://i.ibb.co/cYf7Q0d/Screenshot2023-08-03at14-14-52-png-52147ede7a1470b5b60217bc1e178668.png) (https://ibb.co/cYf7Q0d)
This can't be real
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Unfortunately, it is. I think the shirt might have been overstretched during his reveal but that is obviously no excuse. The shirt was effed before he even put it on.. look at the collar seem on Pau's side, yikes.
Mr. Sawiris, could you please get us an adidas kit?
(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/1400x1400/0cce27a0-2025-11ee-9752-d796316e8df9.jpg)
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As seen elsewhere....
(apologies if already posted here)
(https://i.ibb.co/fSJPs7s/image-thumb-png-f04570f95af6e2860b8e2e4a1c16fc60.png) (https://ibb.co/fSJPs7s)
(https://i.ibb.co/cYf7Q0d/Screenshot2023-08-03at14-14-52-png-52147ede7a1470b5b60217bc1e178668.png) (https://ibb.co/cYf7Q0d)
This can't be real
It absolutely is. That is fucking dreadful and amateurish on the part of the club, the manufacturer and whoever they commissioned to take those pics.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1686814846480695315?s=20
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you didn't wash it with fabric softener did you?
Isn't is fabric 'conditioner' in proper English? Am I to add fabric softener to the long list of expressions I don't want to like because they have been imported by our simple gun-loving cousins?
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Unfortunately, it is. I think the shirt might have been overstretched during his reveal but that is obviously no excuse. The shirt was effed before he even put it on.. look at the collar seem on Pau's side, yikes.
Mr. Sawiris, could you please get us an adidas kit?
(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/1400x1400/0cce27a0-2025-11ee-9752-d796316e8df9.jpg)
I'm surprised one of the sleeves didn't fall off
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I hate to say this but I really like the Chelsea top a clean design and simple urgh I feel dirty
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Unfortunately, it is. I think the shirt might have been overstretched during his reveal but that is obviously no excuse. The shirt was effed before he even put it on.. look at the collar seem on Pau's side, yikes.
Mr. Sawiris, could you please get us an adidas kit?
(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/1400x1400/0cce27a0-2025-11ee-9752-d796316e8df9.jpg)
You'd like to think they gave him more than one shirt, but even then the one from the reveal and the one from yesterday both had flaws in them.
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you didn't wash it with fabric softener did you?
Isn't is fabric 'conditioner' in proper English? Am I to add fabric softener to the long list of expressions I don't want to like because they have been imported by our simple gun-loving cousins?
I was going to write conditioner then I thought I'd become(*) mixed up with the mysterious stuff some people use after shampoo.
* = almost wrote "gotten" here, so maybe I have absorbed Americanisms
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- Shite design
- Shite quality
- Amateurish manufacturer
- Shite sponsors
- Badge reboot fuck-up
Think I'll be sticking with my retro shirts this season - Has to be one of the worst years and typically falls when we're on the cusp of success! All 3 kits are shocking.
Please god, give us either Adidas or Umbro next... Fed up with these cheap ass Mickey Mouse market stall manufacturers!
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- Shite design
- Shite quality
- Amateurish manufacturer
- Shite sponsors
- Badge reboot fuck-up
Think I'll be sticking with my retro shirts this season - Has to be one of the worst years and typically falls when we're on the cusp of success! All 3 kits are shocking.
Please god, give us either Adidas or Umbro next... Fed up with these cheap ass Mickey Mouse market stall manufacturers!
Is there a conflict of interest if we go with Adidas, since Nassef is on the Board and currently the largest individual investor/shareholder in the company?
(https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/ADIDAS-AG-6714534/company/)
I can't imagine that's any worse that Man Citeh and their corrupt sponsorship dollars getting funneled in.
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Is there a conflict of interest if we go with Adidas, since Nassef is on the Board and currently the largest individual investor in the company?
(https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/ADIDAS-AG-6714534/company/)
That's getting to "why didn't Barry take the penalty" levels now.
The simple answer is very much "no".
He isn't the largest investor anyway, and if any deal is at open market rates, then there's no problem even if he was. Also any deal with Aston Villa would be asbolutely miniscule in the overall scheme of Adidas worldwide income.
So just to repeat, no. Go and get us Adidas, Nas.
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Gymshark could have been another option.
Birmingham brand, the owner is a Villa fan and their stuff is actually top notch in terms of quality. Got a massive fan base and following worldwide. Anyone who is into fitness wears Gymshark.
It'll be almost as good as the day Gerrard was sacked when we get rid of Castore.
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Not sure what difference the owner being a Villa fan has, though?
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Not sure what difference the owner being a Villa fan has, though?
The owner being a Villa fan might mean it would be possible to get a deal with Gymshark.
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Is there a conflict of interest if we go with Adidas, since Nassef is on the Board and currently the largest individual investor in the company?
(https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/ADIDAS-AG-6714534/company/)
He isn't the largest investor anyway
He is the largest individual investor in the company.. only 3 investment companies have a higher stake..?
Shareholders
adidas AG (DE000A1EWWW0)
Name Equities % Valuation
Groupe Bruxelles Lambert SA (Investment Company) 13,714,524 7.619 % 2 660 M €
Capital Research & Management Co. (World Investors) 8,279,423 4.600 % 1 606 M €
Flossbach von Storch AG 7,051,825 3.918 % 1 368 M €
Nassef Sawiris 6,019,247 3.344 % 1 167 M €
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I thought we had done this to death.
There is no conflict of interest.
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Not sure what difference the owner being a Villa fan has, though?
The owner being a Villa fan might mean it would be possible to get a deal with Gymshark.
Nope - I'd file this under Macron, Kappa and Castore. We need a top drawer manufacturer KNOWN for making football kits, not give some bloke a contract because he's a Villa fan.
The way I'd question whether it was a worthy manufacturer would be 'Would Man Utd, Bayern or Barca wear that brand?' - If not, then fuck that! (*not saying we're in the same category as those clubs, just that it's a good litmus test for kit manufacturers that generally know what they're doing, and are held in high esteem).
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Not sure what difference the owner being a Villa fan has, though?
The owner being a Villa fan might mean it would be possible to get a deal with Gymshark.
Nope - I'd file this under Macron, Kappa and Castore. We need a top drawer manufacturer KNOWN for making football kits, not give some bloke a contract because he's a Villa fan.
The way I'd question whether it was a worthy manufacturer would be 'Would Man Utd, Bayern or Barca wear that brand?' - If not, then fuck that! (*not saying we're in the same category as those clubs, just that it's a good litmus test for kit manufacturers that generally know what they're doing, and are held in high esteem).
That's a good point, especially considering how uber-focused the club are on expansion/market growth internationally. You ain't gonna do it with Macron, Kappa and Castore, I can tell you that.
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Not sure what difference the owner being a Villa fan has, though?
The owner being a Villa fan might mean it would be possible to get a deal with Gymshark.
Nope - I'd file this under Macron, Kappa and Castore. We need a top drawer manufacturer KNOWN for making football kits, not give some bloke a contract because he's a Villa fan.
The way I'd question whether it was a worthy manufacturer would be 'Would Man Utd, Bayern or Barca wear that brand?' - If not, then fuck that! (*not saying we're in the same category as those clubs, just that it's a good litmus test for kit manufacturers that generally know what they're doing, and are held in high esteem).
No I agree now. We need a proper brand to make us look like a proper club again. I was just saying before Castore if we were going down that route we could have gone with Gymshark who would have been miles better.
Nike, Adidas, Puma or Umbro. Those are the only options. In that order
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Agreed.... except maybe a little cautious on the Puma suggestion. ;)
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3rd kit looks like ww2 Wehrmacht disruptive splinter camo smock in shades of grey. Or ps1 era backgrounds
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Not sure what difference the owner being a Villa fan has, though?
The owner being a Villa fan might mean it would be possible to get a deal with Gymshark.
People still miss Luke Roper's kit.
Do Gymshark do football shirts? And how long are we locked-in with Castore for?
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Just been on the Gymshark website there are some big girls and boys on there
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Just been on the Gymshark website there are some big girls and boys on there
Some girls are bigger than others
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Gymshark home jersey would be a compression top, away is a stringer vest, and 3rd is a "pump cover"
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Adidas please, failing that, Umbro.
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Adidas please, failing that, Umbro.
That would be my choice too. I didn't mind having Kappa or Nike either.
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I hope that's the end result when the time comes to renegotiate their contract.
With Heck on board I reckon we will go big and go American.
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Not sure what difference the owner being a Villa fan has, though?
The owner being a Villa fan might mean it would be possible to get a deal with Gymshark.
People still miss Luke Roper's kit.
Do Gymshark do football shirts? And how long are we locked-in with Castore for?
I've tried to find out and the announcement just said it was a multi year deal.
Could be two years could be five years could be ten.
Gymshark don't do football shirts but neither did Luke before us.
I'm voting Nike BTW.
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I hope that's the end result when the time comes to renegotiate their contract.
With Heck on board I reckon we will go big and go American.
Alright Footy, calm down.
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https://blues.clubstore.co.uk/adult-training
Their stuff is nicer than ours.
Please don't attack me or ban me 😭
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https://blues.clubstore.co.uk/adult-training
Their stuff is nicer than ours.
Please don't attack me or ban me 😭
Wash your mouth out
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Not sure what difference the owner being a Villa fan has, though?
The owner being a Villa fan might mean it would be possible to get a deal with Gymshark.
People still miss Luke Roper's kit.
Do Gymshark do football shirts? And how long are we locked-in with Castore for?
I've tried to find out and the announcement just said it was a multi year deal.
Could be two years could be five years could be ten.
Gymshark don't do football shirts but neither did Luke before us.
I'm voting Nike BTW.
Luke didn’t make them though, Fanatics did.
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https://blues.clubstore.co.uk/adult-training
Their stuff is nicer than ours.
Please don't attack me or ban me 😭
Wash your mouth out
Their shirts are 15 quid cheaper than ours as well :(
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https://blues.clubstore.co.uk/adult-training
Their stuff is nicer than ours.
Please don't attack me or ban me 😭
Wash your mouth out
Their shirts are 15 quid cheaper than ours as well :(
Might be just me but it all looks like extremely generic stuff a non-league team gets kitted out in. Fitting, really…
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https://blues.clubstore.co.uk/adult-training
Their stuff is nicer than ours.
Please don't attack me or ban me 😭
Wash your mouth out
Their shirts are 15 quid cheaper than ours as well :(
Might be just me but it all looks like extremely generic stuff a non-league team gets kitted out in. Fitting, really…
I think it's just the teamwear stuff Nike do and they've had the club badge put on but even so, it's better than ours which says a lot. I bet the Nike stuff doesn't have stitches coming off it before you've even washed it.
For next year we probably will have some sort of tribute shirt to 150 and it'd be a waste if Castore made it. I know I keep banging on about this BTW.
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https://blues.clubstore.co.uk/adult-training
Their stuff is nicer than ours.
Please don't attack me or ban me 😭
Ban
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While I'm not a massive fan of Castore, and I'd love a 'proper' kit manufacturer like Adidas or Nike, I do appreciate that those brands do not need Aston Villa. Because they don't need us they won't give us the best financial deal.
A brand like Castore does need clubs like Villa to try and legitimise them and help them become a big player. So the deal they put on the table is better than anything else, which is why we have done it.
The reality is, while we are not champions league regulars with world-wide followers ploughing money into us hand over fist, we have to take the best financial deal, regardless. That's one of the prices we are paying to have the funds to back Emery.
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While I'm not a massive fan of Castore, and I'd love a 'proper' kit manufacturer like Adidas or Nike, I do appreciate that those brands do not need Aston Villa. Because they don't need us they won't give us the best financial deal.
A brand like Castore does need clubs like Villa to try and legitimise them and help them become a big player. So the deal they put on the table is better than anything else, which is why we have done it.
The reality is, while we are not champions league regulars with world-wide followers ploughing money into us hand over fist, we have to take the best financial deal, regardless. That's one of the prices we are paying to have the funds to back Emery.
Hmm, get that, but the other side of it is punting shit quality (not aesthetics, durability I mean) shirts to fans for top dollar.
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https://blues.clubstore.co.uk/adult-training
Their stuff is nicer than ours.
Please don't attack me or ban me 😭
Wash your mouth out
Their shirts are 15 quid cheaper than ours as well :(
Your average nose won't own a washing machine, so no worries about the badges peeling off etc, if they're taking them down to hand-wash in the canal.
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Bigger brands may not need villa but smaller ones like Macron and Castore haven't exactly demonstrated to us that they value us. If they did they wouldn't make such horrid kits.
Our best kits were made by Umbro, Reebok and Nike.
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Bigger brands may not need villa but smaller ones like Macron and Castore haven't exactly demonstrated to us that they value us. If they did they wouldn't make such horrid kits.
Our best kits were made by Umbro, Reebok and Nike.
You are completely right, but what they have done is pay the club more money... and unfortunately that's the position FFP has forced us into.
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Bigger brands may not need villa but smaller ones like Macron and Castore haven't exactly demonstrated to us that they value us. If they did they wouldn't make such horrid kits.
Our best kits were made by Umbro, Reebok and Nike.
You are completely right, but what they have done is pay the club more money... and unfortunately that's the position FFP has forced us into.
And then charged us for the privilege in hugely expensive kit prices for a shite product with a brand we don't want.
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https://blues.clubstore.co.uk/adult-training
Their stuff is nicer than ours.
Please don't attack me or ban me 😭
No it's not. The colours aren't right and the badge is crap.
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https://blues.clubstore.co.uk/adult-training
Their stuff is nicer than ours.
Please don't attack me or ban me 😭
Nike with their usual wrong palette and shite templates
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Save yourself some cash. I've got 2 on the way. Had proof of postage yesterday. Should be here in a couple of days.
http://www.messi100.com/Search-aston+villa/list-r1.html
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Adidas would be my choice by a country mile. I'd probably actually buy some training gear and hoodies then etc.
And a re-release of the claret and blue Gazelles or Jeans trainers would be lovely too.
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https://blues.clubstore.co.uk/adult-training
Their stuff is nicer than ours.
Please don't attack me or ban me 😭
What are you doing on there? I hope you've got good anti-virus software
PS Nike is shit
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I don't particularly like the new kit, but I did quite like us in all claret (with a little bit of blue) last night.
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I don't particularly like the new kit, but I did quite like us in all claret (with a little bit of blue) last night.
I hate us in claret shorts, unless it's a white or blue top.
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I don't particularly like the new kit, but I did quite like us in all claret (with a little bit of blue) last night.
I hate us in claret shorts, unless it's a white or blue top.
Same. I can't stand the claret shorts. I don't like us in pale blue shorts either with the home kit. I'd prefer we just wear the away kit if we can't wear white shorts.
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I don't particularly like the new kit, but I did quite like us in all claret (with a little bit of blue) last night.
I’m with you. I like the all claret kit.
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I don't particularly like the new kit, but I did quite like us in all claret (with a little bit of blue) last night.
I have always liked us in claret shorts & socks...
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I don't particularly like the new kit, but I did quite like us in all claret (with a little bit of blue) last night.
I have always liked us in claret shorts & socks...
Skins v shirts style?
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Without the betting crap on the front, I thought the kit looked quite good.
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With how drenched the shirts constantly look I wonder how comfortable they are for the players to wear.
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Be interesting to monitor if the women sweat as much in their kits . What material is this tat
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Be interesting to monitor if the women sweat as much in their kits . What material is this tat
Women don't sweat they glow
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Be interesting to monitor if the women sweat as much in their kits . What material is this tat
Women don't sweat they glow
Yeah i wonder if they'll glow the kit into a claret puddle like the men have been
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With how drenched the shirts constantly look I wonder how comfortable they are for the players to wear.
They certainly don’t have the moisture-wicking of other top brands. They are sopping wet, which can’t be fun to play in or against.
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Be interesting to monitor if the women sweat as much in their kits . What material is this tat
Niche.
My brother in law (supports t'Blades) sent me a picture of Pau Torres' disintegrating shirt, so it's attracted a bit of a snigger on his corner of the web. It's a rubbish Villa kit, topped off with an even worse sponsor, so I won't be tempted to snag one cheap at the end of the season anyway, but if I had any kind of a stake in any of the brands (sorry) involved I wouldn't be best pleased.
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With how drenched the shirts constantly look I wonder how comfortable they are for the players to wear.
They will probably have to put tape over their nipples to protect them from the rubbing. If they're not all wearing those sports bras now.
I remember on old football shirts the crest used to rub my nipple to bits. Really uncomfortable. Modern shirts don't seem to have this problem.
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With how drenched the shirts constantly look I wonder how comfortable they are for the players to wear.
They will probably have to put tape over their nipples to protect them from the rubbing. If they're not all wearing those sports bras now.
I remember on old football shirts the crest used to rub my nipple to bits. Really uncomfortable. Modern shirts don't seem to have this problem.
I too have experienced the horrors of vigorous nipple abrasion (VNA), but from a modern shirt when cycling.
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Another thing. The rubberised badges were great for helping to sift out the fakes from the real ones when shopping on eBay, Vinted etc. Now it's much more tricky...
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Another thing. The rubberised badges were great for helping to sift out the fakes from the real ones when shopping on eBay, Vinted etc. Now it's much more tricky...
The rubber badges were great. I thought they'd be cheap looking but when I got a shirt with one they're just way better. Disappointed we didn't get them this season.
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With how drenched the shirts constantly look I wonder how comfortable they are for the players to wear.
They will probably have to put tape over their nipples to protect them from the rubbing. If they're not all wearing those sports bras now.
I remember on old football shirts the crest used to rub my nipple to bits. Really uncomfortable. Modern shirts don't seem to have this problem.
I too have experienced the horrors of vigorous nipple abrasion (VNA), but from a modern shirt when cycling.
Horror is the right word.
It can be really really bad. It can even bleed.
(https://i0.wp.com/www.runsociety.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Runner-Nipples-Care-thumb.jpg?fit=1600%2C900&ssl=1)
Take care of your nipples lads.
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Don’t know if posted earlier, but quite like this
https://shop.avfc.co.uk/en/aston-villa-castore-away-match-day-top-white-womens/p-3481368505863702+z-930-3755999897?_ref=p-DLP:m-GRID:i-r1c2:po-5
(https://images.footballfanatics.com/aston-villa/aston-villa-castore-away-match-day-top-white_ss5_p-13375790+pv-1+u-s77ocuiygusplrykaupj+v-c7kzodzffsgujqmulkn2.jpg?_hv=2&w=900)
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Don’t know if posted earlie, but quite like this
(https://shop.avfc.co.uk/en/aston-villa-castore-away-match-day-top-white-womens/p-3481368505863702+z-930-3755999897?_ref=p-DLP:m-GRID:i-r1c2:po-5)
Nipple abrasion? :o
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I assume we are still looking for a sponsor for our training gear. Hopefully we won't get one
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Don’t know if posted earlie, but quite like this
(https://shop.avfc.co.uk/en/aston-villa-castore-away-match-day-top-white-womens/p-3481368505863702+z-930-3755999897?_ref=p-DLP:m-GRID:i-r1c2:po-5)
Nipple abrasion? :o
Ha Ha,
I messed my post and was quickly trying to put it right.
Didn’t occur to me about the previous post.
I applaud your speed of reply 😂
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Don’t know if posted earlie, but quite like this
(https://shop.avfc.co.uk/en/aston-villa-castore-away-match-day-top-white-womens/p-3481368505863702+z-930-3755999897?_ref=p-DLP:m-GRID:i-r1c2:po-5)
Nipple abrasion? :o
Ha Ha,
I messed my post and was quickly trying to put it right.
Didn’t occur to me about the previous post.
I applaud your speed of reply 😂
A very nippy reply.
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I saw some nice Hawaiian themed stuff yesterday, shirt shorts and bucket hat . Thinking seriously about investing
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I saw some nice Hawaiian themed stuff yesterday, shirt shorts and bucket hat . Thinking seriously about investing
Hawaiian gear is the latest pissed up chav down the pub look.
Don’t forget the flip flops.
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I saw some nice Hawaiian themed stuff yesterday, shirt shorts and bucket hat . Thinking seriously about investing
Hawaiian gear is the latest pissed up chav down the pub look.
That's exactly why i'm tempted ;) that and the upcoming holiday to Fuengirola
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Don’t know if posted earlier, but quite like this
https://shop.avfc.co.uk/en/aston-villa-castore-away-match-day-top-white-womens/p-3481368505863702+z-930-3755999897?_ref=p-DLP:m-GRID:i-r1c2:po-5
(https://images.footballfanatics.com/aston-villa/aston-villa-castore-away-match-day-top-white_ss5_p-13375790+pv-1+u-s77ocuiygusplrykaupj+v-c7kzodzffsgujqmulkn2.jpg?_hv=2&w=900)
Its nice other than that thing on the shoulders & the whole of the bottom flag, chequered pattern...
That crest looks beautiful in claret & white though...
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There is next to nothing in the actual shop but i have ordered from web site the claret training top - not sure of the delivery date as yet.
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There is next to nothing in the actual shop but i have ordered from web site the claret training top - not sure of the delivery date as yet.
I gave up driving to the club shop about 5 years ago. Unless you are S or XXXL its a wasted journey
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The new Man City third kit is really nice
(https://i.ibb.co/86PBmkn/IMG-0106.jpg) (https://ibb.co/86PBmkn)
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My match-day claret top apparently shipped yesterday, but Royal Mail told me to do one when I tried checking the tracking link.
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Ordered the blue polo shirt, expecting some standard cotton affair. Received some super thin silky number with the crappest stick on badge transfer you've ever seen - It was returned immediately.
Going to stick with retro until we've seen the back of Castore - Utter shit show.
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My Chinese fake is due to arrive today. Let's see if this £16 version is any good :D
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It’s probably been covered before, so apologies BUT why is it I can stroll into any local Sports Direct or the JD Store at the airport and buy a Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal etc shirt but not ours (unless in SD’s case they’re last seasons on the sale rail)? Even the journey to VP to buy one is a gamble because stock levels are usually shit. Why?
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Birmingham Airport JD Sports outlet did have a good stock of retro Villa shirts when I last bothered to look but with the summer holidays I suppose they have been snapped up. I've never seen a current shirt for sale in there . It's very odd
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They'd sell them if the demand was there. If you're a Villa supporter you're not going to wait until you get to departures before buying a football shirt.
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Ah yes , but they also have a suitcase store at the airport! And who waits until they’re at the airport to buy a suitcase ? 😂
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Chinese special delivery has just arrived.
(https://i.ibb.co/Kwv09kq/Microsoft-Teams-image-3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Kwv09kq)
(https://i.ibb.co/0nNdB8v/Microsoft-Teams-image-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0nNdB8v)
(https://i.ibb.co/jrXWgsC/Microsoft-Teams-image-5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jrXWgsC)
(https://i.ibb.co/jHyRSmt/Microsoft-Teams-image-4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jHyRSmt)
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The main tell on these is how the claret piping on the shoulder is miles from meeting the claret body.
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The main tell on these is how the claret piping on the shoulder is miles from meeting the claret body.
I'll accept that for the £54 saving :D
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Chinese special delivery has just arrived.
(https://i.ibb.co/Kwv09kq/Microsoft-Teams-image-3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Kwv09kq)
You can tell it's knock off as everything is backwards on it...
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Chinese special delivery has just arrived.
(https://i.ibb.co/Kwv09kq/Microsoft-Teams-image-3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Kwv09kq)
You can tell it's knock off as everything is backwards on it...
I knew there was something wrong with that mirror :D
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What are the legalities of buying these from China? I've always wondered how places like Turkey openly sell replicas on the high street in 'normal' stores and get away with it. It seems huge business now , especially with football shirts.
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What are the legalities of buying these from China? I've always wondered how places like Turkey openly sell replicas on the high street in 'normal' stores and get away with it. It seems huge business now , especially with football shirts.
As long as you do not sell or legally claim the goods to be authentic (for insurance reasons or other), there is no law that stops you buying them, at least in the UK
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Probably better made than Castore kits
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(https://i.ibb.co/Bj3pwf0/IMG-1527.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Bj3pwf0)
Supposed third kit doing the rounds on social
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Genuinely horrific.
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Genuinely horrific.
Agreed. What the absolute fuck.
How I wish they'd bin Castore. Their three kits this season have been fucking shit.
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(https://i.ibb.co/Bj3pwf0/IMG-1527.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Bj3pwf0)
Supposed third kit doing the rounds on social
It's fine. I've got no problem with blue kits.
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I dont mind that too much. I've seen worse.
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cASStore.
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I dont mind that too much. I've seen worse.
It's a third kit, I'm not going to get too worked up about it. I also suspect it's one that will look better on the players/TV.
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Yeah, the quality will probably be shit but I don't mind the design. Really the home kit is the only one I hate everything about.
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Maybe it's to blend in with the bus seats they charge an extortionate amount for
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(https://i.ibb.co/Bj3pwf0/IMG-1527.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Bj3pwf0)
Supposed third kit doing the rounds on social
It's fine. I've got no problem with blue kits.
I don't mind the light blue / dark blue combo, but that pattern is horrific.
It looks like we have just sewn together a shit ton of off-cut scraps in a Frankenstein manner...
I would much prefer our third kit to be something completely different from our first two.
Bright yellow & black or something...
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If we were to win a trophy this season which kit would you rather do it in?
I'd say Away.
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If we were to win a trophy this season which kit would you rather do it in?
I'd say Away.
skins
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I dont mind that too much. I've seen worse.
It's a third kit, I'm not going to get too worked up about it. I also suspect it's one that will look better on the players/TV.
Yep, we'll only wear it once, away at Forest, memorable only for a bullet-headed goal from God.
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Home
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Interesting badge on the Man Utd 3rd shirt.
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Interesting badge on the Man Utd 3rd shirt.
A stripped down red devil. It's definitely the way things are going and what I reckon Heck will bring in next year. I think we'll go back to the lion looking left in either a circle or shield, and just have a standalone lion on the kits and for use on social media etc.
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If we were to win a trophy this season which kit would you rather do it in?
I'd say Away.
The rubber one
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Interesting badge on the Man Utd 3rd shirt.
A stripped down red devil. It's definitely the way things are going and what I reckon Heck will bring in next year. I think we'll go back to the lion looking left in either a circle or shield, and just have a standalone lion on the kits and for use on social media etc.
I think for one of the games the Twitter feed had a lion only on a black background
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Interesting badge on the Man Utd 3rd shirt.
A stripped down red devil. It's definitely the way things are going and what I reckon Heck will bring in next year. I think we'll go back to the lion looking left in either a circle or shield, and just have a standalone lion on the kits and for use on social media etc.
I think for one of the games the Twitter feed had a lion only on a black background
It was a nod to the 1878-79 home shirt.
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Interesting badge on the Man Utd 3rd shirt.
A stripped down red devil. It's definitely the way things are going and what I reckon Heck will bring in next year. I think we'll go back to the lion looking left in either a circle or shield, and just have a standalone lion on the kits and for use on social media etc.
That was what I did when I made a few badge concepts. Was told it was too plain though.
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Interesting badge on the Man Utd 3rd shirt.
A stripped down red devil. It's definitely the way things are going and what I reckon Heck will bring in next year. I think we'll go back to the lion looking left in either a circle or shield, and just have a standalone lion on the kits and for use on social media etc.
I wonder if the media will get all in a shitty & say they copied Liverpool because it looks exactly like Liverpools 15/16 away shirt like they did with our 23/24 'second crest' & the Chelsea one, that was very much like our 73/92 circular crest? 👀
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My claret match-day top arrived yesterday. I quite like it but I can see that badge peeling off in no time.
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Are ours sub standard in comparison to other clubs as I don’t see any other teams players shirts soaked through with sweat after 30 mins every game ?
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Are ours sub standard in comparison to other clubs as I don’t see any other teams players shirts soaked through with sweat after 30 mins every game ?
Our players just run more.
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With claret socks today we looked like West Ham. Maybe that's why we lost ahem. Not a fan of that shirt at all.
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Something not right with the material, whatever the opposite to breathability is, these shirts have it.
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Something not right with the material, whatever the opposite to breathability is, these shirts have it.
They're horrible to play in. Wore mine for Tuesday night football and it was like wearing a wet piece of clingfilm after about 10 minutes.
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Are ours sub standard in comparison to other clubs as I don’t see any other teams players shirts soaked through with sweat after 30 mins every game ?
Watching the German Super Cup and Bayern's kit looks as bad if not worse than ours for it. Adidas.
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I purchased one of the quarter zip claret training tops, I also have the England cricket version. Both made by Castore and about the same price. The villa one just feels thinner and cheaper, pretty disappointing really.
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I purchased one of the quarter zip claret training tops, I also have the England cricket version. Both made by Castore and about the same price. The villa one just feels thinner and cheaper, pretty disappointing really.
I would imagine their football merch is being made in much larger quantities than their other sports stuff. Maybe they've over reached with it, or are deliberately cutting costs to make more profit.
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Without doubt the worst Villa kit I’ve seen in years, looks cheap.
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Without doubt the worst Villa kit I’ve seen in years, looks cheap.
This. It's vile
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Something not right with the material, whatever the opposite to breathability is, these shirts have it.
They're horrible to play in. Wore mine for Tuesday night football and it was like wearing a wet piece of clingfilm after about 10 minutes.
Not an excuse, but that has to effect performance.
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How such an insipid design became the preferred choice is quite frankly astonishing.
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Must be like running around for 90 mins in a carrier bag. Absolutely garbage kit quality
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Something not right with the material, whatever the opposite to breathability is, these shirts have it.
They're horrible to play in. Wore mine for Tuesday night football and it was like wearing a wet piece of clingfilm after about 10 minutes.
Not an excuse, but that has to effect performance.
Surely the same for Newcastle players too?
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Something not right with the material, whatever the opposite to breathability is, these shirts have it.
They're horrible to play in. Wore mine for Tuesday night football and it was like wearing a wet piece of clingfilm after about 10 minutes.
Not an excuse, but that has to effect performance.
Surely the same for Newcastle players too?
Exactly. Wearing a crap kit doesn't make you forget how to defend, or miss good chances. We're clutching here, folks.
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Something not right with the material, whatever the opposite to breathability is, these shirts have it.
They're horrible to play in. Wore mine for Tuesday night football and it was like wearing a wet piece of clingfilm after about 10 minutes.
Not an excuse, but that has to effect performance.
Surely the same for Newcastle players too?
Newcastle are more used to playing in sweaty conditions being a Saudi team.
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The other Castore teams don't look like they've sweated out half their body water after 15 minutes of sub 20 degree temperatures.
They can't be much fun to play in.
I care about that sort of thing much more than what badge is on them.
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It could just be a colour thing. I used to watch a lot of tennis and wherever a player wore grey shorts it would look like they'd had an accident after about 20 minutes. Same player in another colour you'd never notice they were sweating.
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It could just be a colour thing. I used to watch a lot of tennis and wherever a player wore grey shorts it would look like they'd had an accident after about 20 minutes. Same player in another colour you'd never notice they were sweating.
It's never been that bad before with claret home shirts.
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It could just be a colour thing. I used to watch a lot of tennis and wherever a player wore grey shorts it would look like they'd had an accident after about 20 minutes. Same player in another colour you'd never notice they were sweating.
It's never been that bad before with claret home shirts.
I've seen lots of people saying it's the wrong claret so I just assumed it's different colour from normal.
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Something not right with the material, whatever the opposite to breathability is, these shirts have it.
They're horrible to play in. Wore mine for Tuesday night football and it was like wearing a wet piece of clingfilm after about 10 minutes.
I did pretty much the same thing. Soaking wet and clinging to my torso after a few minutes. Such an uncomfortable feeling I had to change the bloody thing.
How have we managed to have such a wretched material for an elite sports team?
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The whole thing seems a bit of an afterthought.
Even the early Macron ones had some redeeming features.
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They look terrible - look at this picture of Torres yesterday. That can't be right. I wonder if we'll be getting new payer kits made?
(https://i.ibb.co/T2JJ02R/gettyimages-1567026145-1024x1024.jpg) (https://ibb.co/T2JJ02R)
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They look terrible - look at this picture of Torres yesterday. That can't be right. I wonder if we'll be getting new payer kits made?
(https://i.ibb.co/T2JJ02R/gettyimages-1567026145-1024x1024.jpg) (https://ibb.co/T2JJ02R)
that looks incredibly uncomfortable.
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I wore last season's light blue Castore away kit to running club last night. The difference in the material compared to this year is like night and day, I reckon the fabric last year is at least twice as thick. It was a warm evening and I'm dead unfit, but at the end of the session the shirt wasn't clinging to me like a wet cheesecloth. Seriously if you've got both kits, put them side by side and feel the difference. I'd say it's just a cost cutting measure and they've bought yards and yards of the cheapest, shittest fabric they could find.
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The Athletic have rated Premier League away kits - https://theathletic.com/4743733/2023/08/18/premier-league-away-kits-rated/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983
Bournemouth got 9/10 but I think it's over-rated. Palace, Everton and Liverpool got 8/10. Quite like Palace's away kit.
We got 5/10.
Man Utd and West Ham 4/10.
Newcastle 1/10 because their away kit is a nod to their Saudi Arabia owners.
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Has anyone brought any of the training gear yet to assess the quality of those?
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I'd say it's just a cost cutting measure and they've bought yards and yards of the cheapest, shittest fabric they could find.
I wonder if it could be the exact opposite. Given where I live, I am always on the lookout for the most breathable, lightweight running/cycling singlets. I'm basically the Imelda of running singlets. The last couple of years though the most expensive, hi-tech singlets are invariably very thin, feel pretty good initially but once they're soaked through they cling like fucking bubble wrap to the body. Hate them.
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Newcastle will be binning Castore for Adidas next season…the club documentary was accidentally put on Netflix(?) that showed episodes where negotiated deal with Adidas.
Let’s hope we are having similar conversations
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Newcastle will be binning Castore for Adidas next season…the club documentary was accidentally put on Netflix(?) that showed episodes where negotiated deal with Adidas.
Let’s hope we are having similar conversations
It would be nice, the Bayern away kit that Kane was wearing last night is a thing of beauty.
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Newcastle will be binning Castore for Adidas next season…the club documentary was accidentally put on Netflix(?) that showed episodes where negotiated deal with Adidas.
Let’s hope we are having similar conversations
Big clubs have big brands making their kits.
That's why Newcastle are upgrading and many of the Saudi clubs are too.
Its time we did.
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More to the point Newcastle will have found a way for Adidas to be paying them in line with the top 6-8 clubs for the privilege, something we should be finding a way to do considering NS owns part of Adidas. Other clubs seem to play the corporate and sponsorship game way better than we do.
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Given Naseef Sawaris is one of the main shareholders in Adidas and on the board of Directors you'd hope he'd move us to Adidas
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Are we waiting to reveal the 3rd kit so we can say its an homage to the England women's team finishing second at the World Cup?
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Third kit now been revealed. On OS. No surprises
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Third kit now been revealed. On OS. No surprises
I just about managed to keep my breakfast down,
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I actually like it. I hate these kit launches that try to make it look like a fashion item rather than a football kit, but it looks nice in the few shots of the players in full kit.
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They look terrible - look at this picture of Torres yesterday. That can't be right. I wonder if we'll be getting new payer kits made?
(https://i.ibb.co/T2JJ02R/gettyimages-1567026145-1024x1024.jpg) (https://ibb.co/T2JJ02R)
that looks incredibly uncomfortable.
Rob Warner - a kit designer and kit expert (ex Umbro & Puma and designed Italy world cup winning shirt) is a big Villa fan. He joked on Twitter if our kits were made from a mix of loft insulation and kitchen roll. He also said it would be very difficult for Castore to get us replacement kits before the end of the season, so it looks like the team will be stuck with this not fit for purpose shirt.
In a world of marginal gains, there must be some detrimental impact on performance from these shirts. I hope it's the nudge we need to kick Castore into touch but I suspect not as next years kits will already have been designed.
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Can't wait to see the 2024-2025 kits.
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Third kit now been revealed. On OS. No surprises
I just about managed to keep my breakfast down,
Vile isn't it.
All crap this season. Will no doubt become collectors items when we win everything!
As for using he title, 'fresh threads' on the Tielemans photo...fuck off. Does anyone actually speak like that in the UK nowadays? Maybe I've been away too long. Or not long enough.
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I see Newcastle have kicked Castore into touch and will have Adidas shirts from next year.
I don’t normally care too much about kits, and this season’s looks ok but it can not be comfortable for the players playing drenched in sweat all the time.
With Unai’s famed attention to detail I would be amazed if he had not expressed concern about this.
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Third kit now been revealed. On OS. No surprises
I just about managed to keep my breakfast down,
Another Marmite, I love it BTW. Even if it is a rehash from the Castore template set (very similar to last season’s Wolves I believe)
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It's a third kit, so I don't care much but I can't imagine it helps visibility on the pitch.
Castore are shite.
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I remember thinking the first Kappa shirts were poor - the 19/20 kit was very cheap and nasty, but looking back they also did some really good kits. The 20/21 and 21/22 kits were excellent, home and away and still look good now.
They put this Castore mess to shame.
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Luke Roper put all these big names to shame.
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Luke Roper put all these big names to shame.
Even more so if he'd remembered the blue sleeves.
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Appalling. Who signs off on these things?
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It's for the kids innit. We'll only see it on the pitch about 4 or 5 times.
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It's for the kids innit. We'll only see it on the pitch about 4 or 5 times.
doubt the 3rd kit will be worn more than twice , if that .
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It's for the kids innit. We'll only see it on the pitch about 4 or 5 times.
doubt the 3rd kit will be worn more than twice , if that .
This Sunday for starters.
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As a combined set, they’ve given us what has to be the worst three shirts we’ve ever had. Truly awful quality as well. Fuck them off ASAP please Heck. Utter cowboys.
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Yep, though I suspect next season's will be fine. It seems to be the Castore way.
By the way, how is it pronounced? Is it Ca-store? Like a shop? Even the name sounds shit.
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As a combined set, they’ve given us what has to be the worst three shirts we’ve ever had. Truly awful quality as well. Fuck them off ASAP please Heck. Utter cowboys.
Not to worry, next season shirts will be marketed as premium uniforms costing 75% more… “Our fans have been calling out for better (half decent) quality and design, well here it is. Buy one and jump up the season ticket waiting list”.
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As a combined set, they’ve given us what has to be the worst three shirts we’ve ever had. Truly awful quality as well. Fuck them off ASAP please Heck. Utter cowboys.
Not to worry, next season shirts will be marketed as premium uniforms costing 75% more… “Our fans have been calling out for better (half decent) quality and design, well here it is. Buy one and jump up the season ticket waiting list”.
To really create a proper 'differential' between the consumer and pro kits, the consumer ones will be made of rice paper.
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It's for the kids innit. We'll only see it on the pitch about 4 or 5 times.
doubt the 3rd kit will be worn more than twice , if that .
This Sunday for starters.
I doubt it, too much blue in the Burnley kit (do they play in blue shorts also?).
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Foul, they are all utter gash! Echo Risso, please bin these fuckers ASAP!!
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Foul, they are all utter gash! Echo Risso, please bin these fuckers ASAP!!
Agreed, they can Foxtrot Oscar.
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Rubbish.
Again...
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£130 to look like one of your heroes 😳
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To augment the look you get to look like you’ve nosedived into a swimming pool five minutes after wearing it.
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The kit released today is truly awful. I think they have deliberately done that to make the other two look slightly less awful.
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I was hoping that the leak was fake, damn.
I’m not one to usually complain about kits but we can’t break up with Castore fast enough.
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It's for the kids innit. We'll only see it on the pitch about 4 or 5 times.
doubt the 3rd kit will be worn more than twice , if that .
This Sunday for starters.
white kit i believe
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£130 to look like one of your heroes 😳
not all heroes wear capes
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I’m taken back to that grey England kit of the 90s, “it’ll go well with jeans”.
I’m sure the kids will love it and I’m sure in about 20’years the kit collectors will be calling it a design classic.
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Will not be spending a penny on merch while Castore are making it. They are non league standard.
Its a shame we have a badge that I like this season but the manufacturer is the worst we've ever had.
Why can't the club just sort the fucking badge out and get a decent manufacturer? The merch would fly off the shelves.
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Be ironic if we go on and win something this year and the history books has us pictured in this drenching Castore shite
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That would not be ironic.
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Being dragged down the Villa shop any moment by my teenage son…will it be the soaked drenched home top, the non-descript away top or the territorial army 3rd kit…the joys.
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Quite like the third kit.
I know that Castore are getting pelters on here, but the kit I got my 9 year old son last season, and this season seems pretty good quality. The youth kits don't have the awful sponsor logo either. I will probably get him the away GK kit and the new third kit mid season once the price drops.
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No- one is forced to buy it, we'll probably only ever play in it in two or three games, and there's plenty of other things going on in the world right now to get excited about. That third kit though - Good God Almighty, it's hideous.
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No- one is forced to buy it, we'll probably only ever play in it in two or three games, and there's plenty of other things going on in the world right now to get excited about. That third kit though - Good God Almighty, it's hideous.
My son likes it, unfortunately
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No- one is forced to buy it, we'll probably only ever play in it in two or three games, and there's plenty of other things going on in the world right now to get excited about. That third kit though - Good God Almighty, it's hideous.
It's August, things are a bit quiet since Love Island finished.
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I'm pining for the days of Macron and Diadora. The only set of kits worse than these were Henson's efforts.
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never pay full price for shirts - get them from http://www.messi100.com/
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£16 for a Villa home shirt - exactly the same as the official site ones - saves you being robbed by the club :D
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£16 for a Villa home shirt - exactly the same as the official site ones - saves you being robbed by the club :D
Cheers
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never pay full price for shirts - get them from http://www.messi100.com/
Are those all fake?
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My looks exactly the same as the official one my daughter has, apart from the betting sponsor.
they're made in the same factory as the official ones.
Comes with all the Castore tags etc
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Yes, but the real ones come with Castore's proprietary "sweat-like-a-pig" technology. Not sure the fake ones have that.
I won't be buying any of this season's kits, they are beyond crap.
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My looks exactly the same as the official one my daughter has, apart from the betting sponsor.
they're made in the same factory as the official ones.
Comes with all the Castore tags etc
Does your claret piping line up on the shoulder or is it miles off? Of the fakes I've seen that's the most obvious error.
edit - looking at the photos it's miles off. The fakes all seem to be from the same template.
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My looks exactly the same as the official one my daughter has, apart from the betting sponsor.
they're made in the same factory as the official ones.
Comes with all the Castore tags etc
They’re definitely not made in the same factory. But knockoffs quality can be surprisingly decent. My lads are always getting em. There’s been a fair few that have lost all the print/transfers in the wash though 😂
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My looks exactly the same as the official one my daughter has, apart from the betting sponsor.
they're made in the same factory as the official ones.
Comes with all the Castore tags etc
They’re definitely not made in the same factory.
How do you know ? These factories are all outsourced operations who have won tenders at the lowest possible price . The Chinese wouldn't think twice about running a load more off and flogging them on to other wholesales
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never pay full price for shirts - get them from http://www.messi100.com/
Shame they don't do kids shirts
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never pay full price for shirts - get them from http://www.messi100.com/
Shame they don't do kids shirts
DHgate.com will have them
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My looks exactly the same as the official one my daughter has, apart from the betting sponsor.
they're made in the same factory as the official ones.
Comes with all the Castore tags etc
They’re definitely not made in the same factory.
How do you know ? These factories are all outsourced operations who have won tenders at the lowest possible price . The Chinese wouldn't think twice about running a load more off and flogging them on to other wholesales
Yeah I know how it works, but the actual factories making Villas kits won’t be making the knockoffs. There are dozens and dozens of factories making fakes over there. But not the same factories, it’s a common statement made by those selling fakes,
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Even the knock offs selling at £15 they're making huge margins given the crap cheap materials and child labour etc
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never pay full price for shirts - get them from http://www.messi100.com/
Shame they don't do kids shirts
I'm not keen on using sites with the caution sign by the url, means they're not secure. My brother uses https://www.jjsport00.com
You'll see they have the padlock, never had any issues so far.
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What's the normal wait for delivery, order a child's kit on the 16 August and saying it's being processed still
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Castore sure spent a lot of time doing original shirts for us and Wolves
(https://images.footballfanatics.com/aston-villa/aston-villa-castore-third-pro-shirt-2023-24_ss5_p-13375844+u-qjy0eke7czl9q3i4uwsr+v-4wkdoasd3rayke7fyypn.jpg?_hv=2&w=340)
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjjOlb5xMfFEeQg9NqS1acMZ2RVxS9hklhpgpQYD7D55OvwG3ufRILj6nVUvvF-aEGgw_BzzIWz_XARywe6at7IqOQWFMwYAmhpHEljA2J79MVcpUD0lcGpwt7G1wF-2juuU-Yrgf_nCFSExdKFNi-7q66l9xsir_x-GuNdg4gE3LIeJzThGKaU0DRQED4/s1600/wolves-23-24-third-kit-2.jpg)
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Dreadful. I won't be buying any of this season's shirts. I'd like to see an Adidas design for once.
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never pay full price for shirts - get them from http://www.messi100.com/
Shame they don't do kids shirts
I just ordered from the JJ sport (thanks edgysats) With intro discount (you don’t have to actually post the Twitter links btw to get the codes to show) I got 2 personalised with names and ages on shirts (comes with shorts, doesn’t look like socks) for £24 something it’s showing on my cc, I thought it was £23something so watch out for discrepancies; Dh gate I’d looked at before was a bit more I think, but confusing number of shops within.
Club shop £55, customised £70 each
So £24 Vs £140 for two customised infant kits (though I think no socks, and quality to be discovered)
Of course it’s business and we have to compete etc but at those prices there’s no way I could even think about doing it, if this works out I could probably do it every year…
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never pay full price for shirts - get them from http://www.messi100.com/
Shame they don't do kids shirts
I'm not keen on using sites with the caution sign by the url, means they're not secure. My brother uses https://www.jjsport00.com
You'll see they have the padlock, never had any issues so far.
Interesting, ta.
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Castore sure spent a lot of time doing original shirts for us and Wolves
(https://images.footballfanatics.com/aston-villa/aston-villa-castore-third-pro-shirt-2023-24_ss5_p-13375844+u-qjy0eke7czl9q3i4uwsr+v-4wkdoasd3rayke7fyypn.jpg?_hv=2&w=340)
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjjOlb5xMfFEeQg9NqS1acMZ2RVxS9hklhpgpQYD7D55OvwG3ufRILj6nVUvvF-aEGgw_BzzIWz_XARywe6at7IqOQWFMwYAmhpHEljA2J79MVcpUD0lcGpwt7G1wF-2juuU-Yrgf_nCFSExdKFNi-7q66l9xsir_x-GuNdg4gE3LIeJzThGKaU0DRQED4/s1600/wolves-23-24-third-kit-2.jpg)
Thing is we’ve seen some of the more established brands do the same thing over the past few years for bigger clubs and countries. These kits are some of the worst we’ve seen in terms of design and quality. Hopefully it’s for the last time.
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Not a fan of stripey kits (especially red and white ones) but like how Brentford have incorporated splashes of black into theirs this season. Looks smart.
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We seem to have a few different coloured shorts for both the home and away kits now.
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That full white kit today looked ace
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Castore sure spent a lot of time doing original shirts for us and Wolves
(https://images.footballfanatics.com/aston-villa/aston-villa-castore-third-pro-shirt-2023-24_ss5_p-13375844+u-qjy0eke7czl9q3i4uwsr+v-4wkdoasd3rayke7fyypn.jpg?_hv=2&w=340)
Thing is we’ve seen some of the more established brands do the same thing over the past few years for bigger clubs and countries. These kits are some of the worst we’ve seen in terms of design and quality. Hopefully it’s for the last time.
Nike (who are on an entirely different level to these chancers Castore) also weren't beyond dipping into the shitty templates bucket for us.
I recall a hoo-haa when that FX Pro home shirt with the check bits was revealed to be the same as they'd kitted some European no-hopers out in the season before.
Castore is all a bit low rent, though, from what I've read, the quality is shite, and the home kit at least seems to make the players sweat like a cornered nun.
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That full white kit today looked ace
Yep, I like full claret too.
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That full white kit today looked ace
Yes, it did.
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That full white kit today looked ace
Yep, I like full claret too.
Agree on both counts
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Newcastle will be binning Castore for Adidas next season…the club documentary was accidentally put on Netflix(?) that showed episodes where negotiated deal with Adidas.
Let’s hope we are having similar conversations
Watched tonight's CL highlights, thought something like this would be nice in claret and blue, with a global sponsor and unobtrusive logo.
https://www.adidas.co.il/en/maccabi-haifa-23-24-home-jersey---women-/IU6105.html
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Newcastle will be binning Castore for Adidas next season…the club documentary was accidentally put on Netflix(?) that showed episodes where negotiated deal with Adidas.
Let’s hope we are having similar conversations
Watched tonight's CL highlights, thought something like this would be nice in claret and blue, with a global sponsor and unobtrusive logo.
https://www.adidas.co.il/en/maccabi-haifa-23-24-home-jersey---women-/IU6105.html
Not unless it had claret body and blue sleeves IMO.
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Newcastle will be binning Castore for Adidas next season…the club documentary was accidentally put on Netflix(?) that showed episodes where negotiated deal with Adidas.
Let’s hope we are having similar conversations
Watched tonight's CL highlights, thought something like this would be nice in claret and blue, with a global sponsor and unobtrusive logo.
https://www.adidas.co.il/en/maccabi-haifa-23-24-home-jersey---women-/IU6105.html
Not unless it had claret body and blue sleeves IMO.
That's what I was thinking, light blue for the sleeves, Adidas stripes/logo and where the white trim on the body is.
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That full white kit today looked ace
Yep, I like full claret too.
Agree on both counts
Add an all-black third kit and I think that would be our best looks.
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Like everything to do with Chelsea, this isn't as good as it thinks it is - hollow, ersatz, generally shit. But they seem to have launched an away kit that's the same colour as their home kit.
https://twitter.com/ChelseaFC/status/1697142372163862617
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That full white kit today looked ace
Yep, I like full claret too.
Agree on both counts
Add an all-black third kit and I think that would be our best looks.
I like the all white but my gut feel about all claret is that we always lost wearing that combination (until the last ten months!). Therefore I prefer light blue change home shorts
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How fucking hard is it just to use another colour?
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Like everything to do with Chelsea, this isn't as good as it thinks it is - hollow, ersatz, generally shit. But they seem to have launched an away kit that's the same colour as their home kit.
https://twitter.com/ChelseaFC/status/1697142372163862617
This is remarkable.
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Like everything to do with Chelsea, this isn't as good as it thinks it is - hollow, ersatz, generally shit. But they seem to have launched an away kit that's the same colour as their home kit.
https://twitter.com/ChelseaFC/status/1697142372163862617
This is remarkable.
ermmm that is bizarre
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It's clearly a different colour to their home, but if we have to change our shorts when the other team has the same colour, there's no way that much blue detailing should be allowed on it.
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The other year all three Celtic kits were some variation of green.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_Celtic_F.C._season
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With a white away shirt, and the option to play in all white which looks the bollocks, when will we actually get to wear the hideous 3rd kit?
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Like everything to do with Chelsea, this isn't as good as it thinks it is - hollow, ersatz, generally shit. But they seem to have launched an away kit that's the same colour as their home kit.
https://twitter.com/ChelseaFC/status/1697142372163862617
It's like a shit version of Tron.
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I know it's a different blue to the home, but there's no getting away from it: both of those kits are blue.
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With a white away shirt, and the option to play in all white which looks the bollocks, when will we actually get to wear the hideous 3rd kit?
West Ham wore theirs a few times in their European matches last season. Maybe it'll get an airing one cold night in Kazakhstan.
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Went to the club shop last night with the lad. Thank god he doesn't like any of the three kits. And now having seen and felt them close up, they really are shit quality.
The training stuff however, including matchday walk on and shake hands jacket (I think that's what it's called anyway) is decent. Which is baffling.
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I know I'm a bit behind with this but I have just seen the third kit. Good God!
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Went to the club shop last night with the lad. Thank god he doesn't like any of the three kits. And now having seen and felt them close up, they really are shit quality.
The training stuff however, including matchday walk on and shake hands jacket (I think that's what it's called anyway) is decent. Which is baffling.
So is the training stuff much better quality? I've been waiting for someone's opinion on this as I haven't managed to see it in person.
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The new Brighton Europa league kit is rather nice.
(https://i.ibb.co/8Nyr5gt/IMG-0279.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8Nyr5gt)
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There's pictures on the OS of the women's latest friendly in Spain. They're wearing a claret shirt without the blue shoulders. It's for sale on the website.
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Obviously not one for cd if he's lurking, but I quite like it.
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Went to the club shop last night with the lad. Thank god he doesn't like any of the three kits. And now having seen and felt them close up, they really are shit quality.
The training stuff however, including matchday walk on and shake hands jacket (I think that's what it's called anyway) is decent. Which is baffling.
So is the training stuff much better quality? I've been waiting for someone's opinion on this as I haven't managed to see it in person.
It looks at least as good quality and is way cheaper than a shirt. The top they wear before kick off, Matchday jacket or something, is the one my lad got. Simple, looks good and feels decent. It's still not cheap as its more than a T shirt but worth it more than a shit shirt and it doesn't have BK8 all over it.
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Had the blue shorts for my birthday and they're mint. In fact, I've decided they will be my year round pantalon du jour.
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Went to the club shop last night with the lad. Thank god he doesn't like any of the three kits. And now having seen and felt them close up, they really are shit quality.
The training stuff however, including matchday walk on and shake hands jacket (I think that's what it's called anyway) is decent. Which is baffling.
So is the training stuff much better quality? I've been waiting for someone's opinion on this as I haven't managed to see it in person.
It looks at least as good quality and is way cheaper than a shirt. The top they wear before kick off, Matchday jacket or something, is the one my lad got. Simple, looks good and feels decent. It's still not cheap as its more than a T shirt but worth it more than a shit shirt and it doesn't have BK8 all over it.
Cheers Drummond.
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Went to the club shop last night with the lad. Thank god he doesn't like any of the three kits. And now having seen and felt them close up, they really are shit quality.
The training stuff however, including matchday walk on and shake hands jacket (I think that's what it's called anyway) is decent. Which is baffling.
I would consider the all claret pre match shirt. When it is on sale and cheaper. Not for fifty quid.
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Someone mentioned it a few days ago but I see there's highlights up on YouTube of the women's pre season game against Villareal and they appear to be wearing the home match day tops instead of the kit? I wonder if there's an issue with the kits or of someone just forgot to pack them?
(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/c3382c90-48f5-11ee-a211-cd0669acd982.jpg)
(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/aa84ee90-48f5-11ee-a211-cd0669acd982.jpg)
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The new Brighton Europa league kit is rather nice.
(https://i.ibb.co/8Nyr5gt/IMG-0279.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8Nyr5gt)
For a Brighton kit that's quite smart, helps when you have a decent sponsor's logo.
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Someone mentioned it a few days ago but I see there's highlights up on YouTube of the women's pre season game against Villareal and they appear to be wearing the home match day tops instead of the kit? I wonder if there's an issue with the kits or of someone just forgot to pack them?
(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/c3382c90-48f5-11ee-a211-cd0669acd982.jpg)
(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/aa84ee90-48f5-11ee-a211-cd0669acd982.jpg)
I love claret shorts with the home jersey.
Or in this case, the match day top...
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I love claret shorts with the home jersey.
Or in this case, the match day top...
I don't like them with the home jersey, I think there's too much blue in it and it doesn't work for me, but with only a little blue, like in those pics, the all claret looks really nice.
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Can't even get a consistent badge on the kit in this case!
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That kit is better than the one the men are wearing this season, probably because it looks like my favourite Villa kit, the LCS one in 1983
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That kit is better than the one the men are wearing this season, probably because it looks like my favourite Villa kit, the LCS one in 1983
I agree it's lovely. I wish we'd go all claret every now and then.
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Three weeks and still waiting delivery
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That kit is better than the one the men are wearing this season, probably because it looks like my favourite Villa kit, the LCS one in 1983
The shirt is. Add the proper colour blue sleeves and the full colour badge and it would be much nicer.
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Someone mentioned it a few days ago but I see there's highlights up on YouTube of the women's pre season game against Villareal and they appear to be wearing the home match day tops instead of the kit? I wonder if there's an issue with the kits or of someone just forgot to pack them?
I don't think advertising for gambling companies is allowed in Spain.
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Someone mentioned it a few days ago but I see there's highlights up on YouTube of the women's pre season game against Villareal and they appear to be wearing the home match day tops instead of the kit? I wonder if there's an issue with the kits or of someone just forgot to pack them?
I don't think advertising for gambling companies is allowed in Spain.
But didn't the men's team play in Spain and just had the normal jersey with no sponsor on it? Maybe they never bothered to get the women's done without a sponsor.
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never pay full price for shirts - get them from http://www.messi100.com/
Shame they don't do kids shirts
I just ordered from the JJ sport (thanks edgysats) With intro discount (you don’t have to actually post the Twitter links btw to get the codes to show) I got 2 personalised with names and ages on shirts (comes with shorts, doesn’t look like socks) for £24 something it’s showing on my cc, I thought it was £23something so watch out for discrepancies; Dh gate I’d looked at before was a bit more I think, but confusing number of shops within.
Club shop £55, customised £70 each
So £24 Vs £140 for two customised infant kits (though I think no socks, and quality to be discovered)
Of course it’s business and we have to compete etc but at those prices there’s no way I could even think about doing it, if this works out I could probably do it every year…
Just if you're wondering PT, my brother ordered his latest kits on August 15th and they came today if you want a better idea of a time frame.
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Three weeks and still waiting delivery
Nearly four weeks and contacted the Villa website after no delivery,had a email saying they will look into today, another email later stating I will be refunded straight away,I can actually get the baby's kit from villa park less £5 delivery charges.More disappointed that issues that seriously need addressing concerning on- line store
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Reports online that (understandably!) the players have complained about the kits. I was watching with a friend at the weekend and he said it looked like they’d all just fallen in a lake.
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This whole story is absolutely fucking absurd.
We need to use this problem as cause to dump these idiots as soon as we possibly can.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/09/26/aston-villa-player-complain-sweaty-castore-kit-performance/
Aston Villa players have told club chiefs they are unhappy with this season’s wet-look shirts, which they claim are weighing them down.
Head coach Unai Emery is thought to be aware of the issue, with Villa now working with sports manufacturer Castore to try to find a solution as quickly as possible.
Villa launched new home, away and third kits this season, but supporters have noticed the shirts quickly become wet through and cling to players during games due to perspiration.
Telegraph Sport understands that has prompted complaints from players, who believe it to be a performance issue and have told members of the Villa hierarchy that the shirts become uncomfortable and heavy.
The problem has been particularly obvious on the claret home shirts, which quickly turn much darker during games, but players have claimed the white away kit is just as bad.
Villa are two years into what was described as a multi-year deal with British sportswear manufacturer Castore and it remains to be seen whether or not the issue could affect that deal.
Newcastle United triggered an exit clause to free themselves of a contract with Castore that had been due to run to 2027 so they can switch to Adidas at the end of this season.
One source close to a Villa player told Telegraph Sport: “The players are having to play in soaking wet t-shirts and it is a problem that needs to be solved. It cannot go on all season. The players look like they’ve jumped in a swimming pool after about 10 minutes.”
Villa have started the season encouragingly, winning four of their opening six Premier League games, but Emery will be keen for the complaints of his players to be swiftly dealt with.
The issue will not impact replica shirts bought by fans, with Villa not facing the possibility of having to recall kits or issue replacements to the public.
Any solution would likely require Castore to produce a new run of shirts for the players that do a much better job of absorbing sweat and remaining lightweight.
Announcing what was described as a ‘landmark’ partnership with Castore in May 2022, Villa released a club statement that said: “Castore and Aston Villa are both aligned in terms of their future goals which include; striving for excellence, having a clear strategic direction and adopting a challenger mentality - making the new partnership a perfect synergy.”
Other than Villa and Newcastle, Castore have this season produced kits for Wolverhampton Wanderers, Rangers, Sevilla and Bayer Leverkusen among others.
Villa have announced the club will launch a new crest for a second successive campaign after concluding the round badge that features on this season’s shirts ‘has not had the impact which had been hoped’.
In an announcement on the club’s website, Villa have revealed they will canvas the opinion of supporters ahead of selecting a permanent new-look crest ahead of the club’s 150th anniversary next year.
Villa entertain Everton in the Carabao Cup on Wednesday night in front of what could be their lowest Villa Park crowd since their return to the Premier League.
The Midlands club have faced criticism from supporters for taking their first Carabao Cup game off season tickets and charging a minimum of £30 for an adult ticket.
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Seemed fairly obvious, surprised we are this far into the season without a solution.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/09/26/aston-villa-player-complain-sweaty-castore-kit-performance/
Good news, hopefully Unai and the players will push Nas to get rid of Castore.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/09/26/aston-villa-player-complain-sweaty-castore-kit-performance/
Good news, hopefully Unai and the players will push Nas to get rid of Castore.
...and hopefully go with one of the big 'known' brands which would excite the next generation, such as Adidas, Nike, Umbro or Puma - None of this second rate shite like Macron, Castore, Hummel or Kappa that we've been served up in recent years.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/09/26/aston-villa-player-complain-sweaty-castore-kit-performance/
Good news, hopefully Unai and the players will push Nas to get rid of Castore.
...and hopefully go with one of the big 'known' brands which would excite the next generation, such as Adidas, Nike, Umbro or Puma - None of this second rate shite like Macron, Castore, Hummel or Kappa that we've been served up in recent years.
Absolutely.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/09/26/aston-villa-player-complain-sweaty-castore-kit-performance/
Good news, hopefully Unai and the players will push Nas to get rid of Castore.
...and hopefully go with one of the big 'known' brands which would excite the next generation, such as Adidas, Nike, Umbro or Puma - None of this second rate shite like Macron, Castore, Hummel or Kappa that we've been served up in recent years.
Absolutely.
I entirely agree.
I never buy replica kits (on account of me being a man in my 50s, and such things being inappropriate) but we need to be looking as smart as we possibly can, not mooking around in the sort of shite that looks like it was knocked up by a stall holder down the Rag Market.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/09/26/aston-villa-player-complain-sweaty-castore-kit-performance/
Good news, hopefully Unai and the players will push Nas to get rid of Castore.
I reckon Heck has already been over that deal with his big red pen.
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About time, it’s a horrible design and obviously now not even fit for purpose.
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Surely every other team who uses Castore is suffering the same problem?
It can’t be that our lads shirts are made for a different material than other pro clubs can it ?
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Surely every other team who uses Castore is suffering the same problem?
It can’t be that our lads shirts are made for a different material than other pro clubs can it ?
The Newcastle shirt looks like it's clinging to players at times too. It's not as obvious visually as the colours don't change as much as the claret. There's a pic from their weekend game too where a player is celebrating with the ball under his shirt and it looks like it's made of tissue. Can see the writing on the ball clearly through it.
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We’d be fucking top of the league if our kits didn’t weigh us down.
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About time, it’s a horrible design and obviously now not even fit for purpose.
Another black mark against Purslow aka the bloke trying to be besties with the away club
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This whole story is absolutely fucking absurd.
We need to use this problem as cause to dump these idiots as soon as we possibly can.
Yep, or go back to last season's kits if necessary.
So not only are they shit, overpriced and fall to pieces, they also could now be affecting our season and performance.
I hope Castore fucking fold. Bunch of cowboys.
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I remember bringing this up after our first game and the general reply was it that looks worse on our shirts because the colour of our tops and the other team's playing in Castore shirt's look okay.
So are all the Castore football shirt's manufacturerd the same or have they somehow managed to just screw ours up?
Whatever the answer is, how on earth could they get it so badly wrong. This could be potentially costing us points.
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I'm amazed any player can wear such things without layers underneath. This Castore batch seems to be the worst yet, but all football shirts are dreadful tacky plastic shite, and I don't know why anybody would buy one.
Fans can do what they want with their money, but let the poor bastards playing for us wear cotton or some other loosely natural fabric.
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This whole story is absolutely fucking absurd.
We need to use this problem as cause to dump these idiots as soon as we possibly can.
Yep, or go back to last season's kits if necessary.
So not only are they shit, overpriced and fall to pieces, they also could now be affecting our season and performance.
I hope Castore fucking fold. Bunch of cowboys.
Don’t think I’d go as far as wanting people to lose their jobs just because our shirt is a bit wet but we do need one of the better manufacturers now, Adidas/Nike or Puma please
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Apparently Newcastle had Castore and managed to get put of their deal with them, which had been set to run until 2027.
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Chelsea are set to receive approval from the Premier League for Infinite Athlete to become their new shirt sponsor. The Stamford Bridge club have been waiting for the deal, which is understood to be worth around £40m a year, to be given the green light.
£40m per year?!! - we are so far behind the commercial big-hitters.
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Utter shambles.
The shirts
The crest
The Lower Grounds
The Terrace View
What else have I missed?
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It's a good job Stilyan Petrov didn't have to wear the Castore kit, i've never seen a player sweat as much as he did.
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Chelsea are set to receive approval from the Premier League for Infinite Athlete to become their new shirt sponsor. The Stamford Bridge club have been waiting for the deal, which is understood to be worth around £40m a year, to be given the green light.
£40m per year?!! - we are so far behind the commercial big-hitters.
They've been qualifying for Europe reasonably consistently for the past 25 years, and have won 5 league titles, 6 FA Cups, and 3 league cups in that period. Plus 2 European Cups, 2 UEFA Cups, a Cup Winners Cup, and a European Super Cup. Which makes them more successful in the past quarter of a century than we have been in our entire history.
In the same period we've won the Inter Toto Cup.
And that's why they get £40m/year sponsorship and we get some dodgy east Asian bookmaker.
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They're getting nowhere near Europe again this year and given how interestingly they've stacked the gaming table with long contracts, it will be interesting to see how much a second successive season away from Europe starts to bite.
I genuinely hope this is the slow death of Tarquin's England and Chelsea endure 90 years in the wilderness, the disgusting bunch that they are.
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They're getting nowhere near Europe again this year and given how interestingly they've stacked the gaming table with long contracts, it will be interesting to see how much a second successive season away from Europe starts to bite.
I genuinely hope this is the slow death of Tarquin's England and Chelsea endure 90 years in the wilderness, the disgusting bunch that they are.
Like their first 90 years, where apart from a violent cup final and Raquel Welsh turning up, the most notable thing about them was that their one title was the lowest winning points total ever.
My late father in law watched them in his youth and said they were shit, the worst team to ever win the league.
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It's a good job Stan Petrov didn't have to wear the Castore kit, i've never seen a player sweat as much as he did.
You should have seen how he much was sweating 40 years ago yesterday.
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Can we just slap the sponsor logo on the training or matchday tops and be done with it. Both better looking than our actual kit, and the women played a match in the match day top in sunny Spain and didn't look like they'd been drowned.
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Chelsea are set to receive approval from the Premier League for Infinite Athlete to become their new shirt sponsor. The Stamford Bridge club have been waiting for the deal, which is understood to be worth around £40m a year, to be given the green light.
£40m per year?!! - we are so far behind the commercial big-hitters.
They've been qualifying for Europe reasonably consistently for the past 25 years, and have won 5 league titles, 6 FA Cups, and 3 league cups in that period. Plus 2 European Cups, 2 UEFA Cups, a Cup Winners Cup, and a European Super Cup. Which makes them more successful in the past quarter of a century than we have been in our entire history.
In the same period we've won the Inter Toto Cup.
And that's why they get £40m/year sponsorship and we get some dodgy east Asian bookmaker.
That is grim reading.
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Utter shambles.
The shirts
The crest
The Lower Grounds
The Terrace View
What else have I missed?
The North Stand
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Chelsea are set to receive approval from the Premier League for Infinite Athlete to become their new shirt sponsor. The Stamford Bridge club have been waiting for the deal, which is understood to be worth around £40m a year, to be given the green light.
£40m per year?!! - we are so far behind the commercial big-hitters.
They've been qualifying for Europe reasonably consistently for the past 25 years, and have won 5 league titles, 6 FA Cups, and 3 league cups in that period. Plus 2 European Cups, 2 UEFA Cups, a Cup Winners Cup, and a European Super Cup. Which makes them more successful in the past quarter of a century than we have been in our entire history.
In the same period we've won the Inter Toto Cup.
And that's why they get £40m/year sponsorship and we get some dodgy east Asian bookmaker.
Those trophies would put them on 19 mjaor honours. We're on 20. So not quite 8)
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They also won the Club World Championship.
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They also won the Club World Championship.
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never pay full price for shirts - get them from http://www.messi100.com/
Shame they don't do kids shirts
I just ordered from the JJ sport (thanks edgysats) With intro discount (you don’t have to actually post the Twitter links btw to get the codes to show) I got 2 personalised with names and ages on shirts (comes with shorts, doesn’t look like socks) for £24 something it’s showing on my cc, I thought it was £23something so watch out for discrepancies; Dh gate I’d looked at before was a bit more I think, but confusing number of shops within.
Club shop £55, customised £70 each
So £24 Vs £140 for two customised infant kits (though I think no socks, and quality to be discovered)
Of course it’s business and we have to compete etc but at those prices there’s no way I could even think about doing it, if this works out I could probably do it every year…
Just to say apparently these have been delivered, one day short of 8 weeks which had been disappointing but at least they have, will be intrigued to see the quality tomorrow…
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Looked to me like they weren't as sweaty today?
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i thought after 20 mins a few looked drenched 😳
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never pay full price for shirts - get them from http://www.messi100.com/
Shame they don't do kids shirts
I just ordered from the JJ sport (thanks edgysats) With intro discount (you don’t have to actually post the Twitter links btw to get the codes to show) I got 2 personalised with names and ages on shirts (comes with shorts, doesn’t look like socks) for £24 something it’s showing on my cc, I thought it was £23something so watch out for discrepancies; Dh gate I’d looked at before was a bit more I think, but confusing number of shops within.
Club shop £55, customised £70 each
So £24 Vs £140 for two customised infant kits (though I think no socks, and quality to be discovered)
Of course it’s business and we have to compete etc but at those prices there’s no way I could even think about doing it, if this works out I could probably do it every year…
Just to say apparently these have been delivered, one day short of 8 weeks which had been disappointing but at least they have, will be intrigued to see the quality tomorrow…
(https://i.ibb.co/d5TGTk5/IMG-3505.jpg) (https://ibb.co/d5TGTk5)
(https://i.ibb.co/hW1vdPk/IMG-3504.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hW1vdPk)
My first instinct is are they the right claret, but then I watch MOTD2 and think the same as they come out. No idea how they’ll wash, and there were clearly supply issues tbf they did flag at point of ordering, though I wouldn’t have pressed buy if I’d known it’d be a day shy of 8 weeks wait, but presuming that was unusual, i would buy again, I can’t really argue with £24 for two personalised kids shirts (and shorts) compared to the £140 club shop option. Might be a seasonal purchase at these prices. (Feel sad not to support the club, but..)
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Looked to me like they weren't as sweaty today?
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Pau in particular looked drenched
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Looked to me like they weren't as sweaty today?
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Pau in particular looked drenched
Looking at the pics on the club site they all look like they've smeared vaseline down their fronts. I'd imagine it's a bit less hot than it was a few weeks ago, which might mean slightly less sweat, but they're still awful looking.
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Looked to me like they weren't as sweaty today?
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Pau in particular looked drenched
Looking at the pics on the club site they all look like they've smeared vaseline down their fronts. I'd imagine it's a bit less hot than it was a few weeks ago, which might mean slightly less sweat, but they're still awful looking.
Vicks?
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Looked to me like they weren't as sweaty today?
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Pau in particular looked drenched
Looking at the pics on the club site they all look like they've smeared vaseline down their fronts. I'd imagine it's a bit less hot than it was a few weeks ago, which might mean slightly less sweat, but they're still awful looking.
Vicks?
Vicks is probably more likely. But it looks the same.
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What ever it is , they look cheap and shoddy
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never pay full price for shirts - get them from http://www.messi100.com/
Shame they don't do kids shirts
I just ordered from the JJ sport (thanks edgysats) With intro discount (you don’t have to actually post the Twitter links btw to get the codes to show) I got 2 personalised with names and ages on shirts (comes with shorts, doesn’t look like socks) for £24 something it’s showing on my cc, I thought it was £23something so watch out for discrepancies; Dh gate I’d looked at before was a bit more I think, but confusing number of shops within.
Club shop £55, customised £70 each
So £24 Vs £140 for two customised infant kits (though I think no socks, and quality to be discovered)
Of course it’s business and we have to compete etc but at those prices there’s no way I could even think about doing it, if this works out I could probably do it every year…
Just to say apparently these have been delivered, one day short of 8 weeks which had been disappointing but at least they have, will be intrigued to see the quality tomorrow…
(https://i.ibb.co/d5TGTk5/IMG-3505.jpg) (https://ibb.co/d5TGTk5)
(https://i.ibb.co/hW1vdPk/IMG-3504.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hW1vdPk)
My first instinct is are they the right claret, but then I watch MOTD2 and think the same as they come out. No idea how they’ll wash, and there were clearly supply issues tbf they did flag at point of ordering, though I wouldn’t have pressed buy if I’d known it’d be a day shy of 8 weeks wait, but presuming that was unusual, i would buy again, I can’t really argue with £24 for two personalised kids shirts (and shorts) compared to the £140 club shop option. Might be a seasonal purchase at these prices. (Feel sad not to support the club, but..)
The few times my brother has used them they haven't taken that long so I think you just got unlucky there.
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I didn't mind the third kit. Especially so with the Aston Villa Foundation as sponsor on the front!
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The kit design is an abomination, same template as wolves away . Nice sponsor change though, but Jesus we can do better surely
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I didn't mind the third kit. Especially so with the Aston Villa Foundation as sponsor on the front!
Be interesting to know if the players sweated less with the different logo, given that was apparently one of the working theories on why they all looked like drowned rats.
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It might be because of the colour not showing it so much, but they did look less sweaty.
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It might be because of the colour not showing it so much, but they did look less sweaty.
We've nothing for comparison either. Although I'm pretty sure the home kit with no sponsor, as seen in Warsaw, was still a sweaty mess, now that I think of it.
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Mush prefer last nights sponsor than that horrid betting company logo...
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Any rumours of what brand we're having next season?
It's not gonna be Castore so we should hear something soon.
I've got a feeling it'll be Nike.
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Any rumours of what brand we're having next season?
It's not gonna be Castore so we should hear something soon.
I've got a feeling it'll be Nike.
Why are you so confident that it won't be Castore? Other than the suggestion that the sweaty shirt issue would give the club the opportunity to extract themselves from the contract, has anything actually happened on this?
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Any rumours of what brand we're having next season?
It's not gonna be Castore so we should hear something soon.
I've got a feeling it'll be Nike.
Why are you so confident that it won't be Castore? Other than the suggestion that the sweaty shirt issue would give the club the opportunity to extract themselves from the contract, has anything actually happened on this?
There has been tons of coverage saying we're ending the deal early. Lots of sports industry media, too, not just footyinsider or whatever rubbish.
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I don't remember seeing anything definite. I remember seeing speculation that we could end the deal early, but also that Castore could/would resolve the issue.
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There isn't anythiing definite, but when it's getting reported by Matt Law and John Percy in the Torygraph, plus in lots of sportswear industry publications, and when there's a pretty compelling reason for it to happen, there's probably a certain amount of truth in it.
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There isn't anythiing definite, but when it's getting reported by Matt Law and John Percy in the Torygraph, plus in lots of sportswear industry publications, and when there's a pretty compelling reason for it to happen, there's probably a certain amount of truth in it.
What was being reported though, is the point. Did these places say we were 100% cancelling the Castore deal. Or did they say we might? Genuine question, because I don't remember seeing anything stated as definite. I think the point is that that first post today makes it sound like it is a definite.
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The bit I was replying to was the bit where FatSam asked why someone was so confident it would be cancelled.
My answer was pointing out that there’s a reasonable amount of coverage from reputable sources suggesting that may be the case. That being why someone might think we are going to bin the deal.
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I'll be stunned if its still Castore. They don't deserve the chance to put it right imo and with our anniversary next year they can't be trusted not to fuck something up.
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Lots of chat that Nike will be in
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That's good. If it is the quality of these beauties we will all be happy.
(https://cdn.vitalfootball.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/173/2019/06/John-Carew-Martin-Laursen-Acorns.jpg?width=800&aspect_ratio=16:10)
(https://i.pinimg.com/1200x/da/49/a7/da49a7dcf56986f1978200960862d85a.jpg)
Shame the BK8 will tarnish whatever the design is
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That home one was the last one I went out and bought, in long sleeve as well.
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Those three were great kits. Especially that home shirt.
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Lots of chat that Nike will be in
Source?
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Lots of chat that Nike will be in
Source?
Not picking on you here but I hate that reply. My response would be 'fuck off you nosy c**t'.
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Lots of chat that Nike will be in
Source?
Not picking on you here but I hate that reply. My response would be 'fuck off you nosy c**t'.
I am a nosy ****** so no offence taken mate.
Just wondering where he heard this chat that's all.
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I ordered the home kit on Thursday and it arrived today that's very quick.
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Lots of chat that Nike will be in
Source?
Not picking on you here but I hate that reply. My response would be 'fuck off you nosy c**t'.
"Thoughts?"
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Nike is the epitome of corporate bland.
Adidas or I'm not playing.
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Lots of chat that Nike will be in
Source?
Nimble fingered 9 year olds working 14 hour shifts in Vietnam, mate.
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(https://i.ibb.co/DkNffrj/B61-D70-B7-176-E-435-D-89-DB-97-A7-EBE8-A377.png) (https://ibb.co/DkNffrj)
Can we have this kit and badge please
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Nike is the epitome of corporate bland.
Adidas or I'm not playing.
After a couple of years of Castore, I'd settle for a bit of corporate bland with an increase in quality.
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(https://i.pinimg.com/1200x/da/49/a7/da49a7dcf56986f1978200960862d85a.jpg)
Lovely shirt that was. I do tend to like a lot of our white and black away kits.
I would keep claret shorts for the home kit too.
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Lots of chat that Nike will be in
Source?
Not picking on you here but I hate that reply. My response would be 'fuck off you nosy c**t'.
"Thoughts?"
Discuss.
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Nike is the epitome of corporate bland.
Adidas or I'm not playing.
After a couple of years of Castore, I'd settle for a bit of corporate bland with an increase in quality.
I’ve got two Castore hoodies, one of the Villa players’ travel hoodies and one England cricket training hoody. The difference in quality is noticeable with the cricket hoody being of significantly better quality. In comparison the Villa product looks cheap and thrown together and not worth the price.
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That's good. If it is the quality of these beauties we will all be happy.
(https://cdn.vitalfootball.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/173/2019/06/John-Carew-Martin-Laursen-Acorns.jpg?width=800&aspect_ratio=16:10)
(https://i.pinimg.com/1200x/da/49/a7/da49a7dcf56986f1978200960862d85a.jpg)
Shame the BK8 will tarnish whatever the design is
I love all of those.
The only problem was that the sponsor washed / peeled off too easily. Well, they did on my kits anyway!
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Nike is the epitome of corporate bland.
Adidas or I'm not playing.
After a couple of years of Castore, I'd settle for a bit of corporate bland with an increase in quality.
I’ve got two Castore hoodies, one of the Villa players’ travel hoodies and one England cricket training hoody. The difference in quality is noticeable with the cricket hoody being of significantly better quality. In comparison the Villa product looks cheap and thrown together and not worth the price.
I have a pair of shorts and compared to the kappa ones I previously bought, they feel like bog roll in comparison
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I was working in Brindley Place when that kit was launched and I've got some (not very good) photos from behind the stage.
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My daughter still wears my old Nike plain hoody. It’s ace, I loved it. It’s just a bit worn on the cuffs. It’s a stunning bit of merchandise with just a tiny slightly darker grey embroidered Villa lion on the sleeve. It’s got to be 18 or 19 years old.
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That's good. If it is the quality of these beauties we will all be happy.
(https://cdn.vitalfootball.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/173/2019/06/John-Carew-Martin-Laursen-Acorns.jpg?width=800&aspect_ratio=16:10)
(https://i.pinimg.com/1200x/da/49/a7/da49a7dcf56986f1978200960862d85a.jpg)
Shame the BK8 will tarnish whatever the design is
Lots aren’t bad either🦁
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Nike is the epitome of corporate bland.
Adidas or I'm not playing.
Yeah, was hoping for Adidas. Shame Newcastle have managed to snag them. Their takeover was really bad timing for us.
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That home one was the last one I went out and bought, in long sleeve as well.
Me too.
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Surely Newcastle having Adidas wouldn't stop us? You'd think that a brand would want as much exposure in the Premier League as possible.
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Surely Newcastle having Adidas wouldn't stop us? You'd think that a brand would want as much exposure in the Premier League as possible.
Of course it wouldn't, why would anyone think otherwise?
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Surely Newcastle having Adidas wouldn't stop us? You'd think that a brand would want as much exposure in the Premier League as possible.
No idea, but I assumed taking on a big contract like Newcastle may be enough additional PL exposure next season.
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Surely Newcastle having Adidas wouldn't stop us? You'd think that a brand would want as much exposure in the Premier League as possible.
No idea, but I assumed taking on a big contract like Newcastle may be enough additional PL exposure next season.
People like Nike and Adidas don't need exposure. It would depend on how much potential profit they can make. Whoever takes us on isn't going to make a lot of money off us right now, so we're not going to get a massive deal off anyone. That's where all this rebranding and having a clear visual identity comes in.
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Surely Newcastle having Adidas wouldn't stop us? You'd think that a brand would want as much exposure in the Premier League as possible.
No idea, but I assumed taking on a big contract like Newcastle may be enough additional PL exposure next season.
I would think that's almost certainly not the case. Nike do Liverpool, Brighton, Spurs and Chelsea, but are apparently happy to work with us too. Adidas already had Fulham, Forest, Arsenal and Man U and have now added Newcastle. Why would that mean they wouldn't want to work with us?
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Surely Newcastle having Adidas wouldn't stop us? You'd think that a brand would want as much exposure in the Premier League as possible.
No idea, but I assumed taking on a big contract like Newcastle may be enough additional PL exposure next season.
I would think that's almost certainly not the case. Nike do Liverpool, Brighton, Spurs and Chelsea, but are apparently happy to work with us too. Adidas already had Fulham, Forest, Arsenal and Man U and have now added Newcastle. Why would that mean they wouldn't want to work with us?
I was just thinking adding two big PL clubs in one season may not be what they're after.
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I am too old and uncool to be that bothered about our kit manufacturer but where Adidas are concerned, their practice has always seemed to me to be starting with three stripes then designing the shirt around that or plastering it on wherever they see a bit of space, with often terrible results and I believe the Villa kit should be distinctive enough already without the sartorial whimsy.
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Remember those 90s ones they did for Liverpool and Marseille, with the three massive stripes on the shoulder? Classic kits.
Agree with Joe, though, not sure I'd want our kit to be based around their logo.
I too am way too old to ever buy one, but I do like the thought of us having a prestigious kit manufacturer (and sponsor) rather than parading around at the Rag Market end of the replica shirt sector, Castore, Macron, Kappa etc.
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When I was a kid it was always a marker of club size.
We had decent manufacturers on the whole, but West Ham for example had all manor of tinpot outfits and their shirts just looked like cheap efforts of ours, which was fine because they're just a poor facsimile of us at heart.
Seems to have in reverse of late though.
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There used to be a shop on Dale End which always had a good selection of European club shirts.
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There used to be a shop on Dale End which always had a good selection of European club shirts.
Yeah, the one on the corner of Corporation St, used to be decked out in all manner of random European club sportswear.
"What socks are they?"
"Foggia 3rd kit mate"
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Surely Newcastle having Adidas wouldn't stop us? You'd think that a brand would want as much exposure in the Premier League as possible.
No idea, but I assumed taking on a big contract like Newcastle may be enough additional PL exposure next season.
I would think that's almost certainly not the case. Nike do Liverpool, Brighton, Spurs and Chelsea, but are apparently happy to work with us too. Adidas already had Fulham, Forest, Arsenal and Man U and have now added Newcastle. Why would that mean they wouldn't want to work with us?
I was just thinking adding two big PL clubs in one season may not be what they're after.
I'm fairly certain that they'd sponsor every single team in the Premier League if offered the opportunity. It's not just the shirt sales, it's being in the position to have your logo plastered all over the TV and seen by billions of people around the world every week.
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Remember those 90s ones they did for Liverpool and Marseille, with the three massive stripes on the shoulder? Classic kits.
Agree with Joe, though, not sure I'd want our kit to be based around their logo.
I too am way too old to ever buy one, but I do like the thought of us having a prestigious kit manufacturer (and sponsor) rather than parading around at the Rag Market end of the replica shirt sector, Castore, Macron, Kappa etc.
I always buy one to play football in, and I'll sometimes wear one to Villa away games. Last night I played 5-a-side in my FC Isle of Man top, and the quality is a hundred times better than the utter shit Castore Villa shirt. And FC IOM are a non-league team at division 8 level.
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Surely Newcastle having Adidas wouldn't stop us? You'd think that a brand would want as much exposure in the Premier League as possible.
No idea, but I assumed taking on a big contract like Newcastle may be enough additional PL exposure next season.
I would think that's almost certainly not the case. Nike do Liverpool, Brighton, Spurs and Chelsea, but are apparently happy to work with us too. Adidas already had Fulham, Forest, Arsenal and Man U and have now added Newcastle. Why would that mean they wouldn't want to work with us?
I was just thinking adding two big PL clubs in one season may not be what they're after.
I'm fairly certain that they'd sponsor every single team in the Premier League if offered the opportunity. It's not just the shirt sales, it's being in the position to have your logo plastered all over the TV and seen by billions of people around the world every week.
Of course they would, whilst also denying rival brands exposure.
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Remember those 90s ones they did for Liverpool and Marseille, with the three massive stripes on the shoulder? Classic kits.
Hated them, and the version Ireland had in '92. The 1990 World Cup kits were pretty much perfect though, especially the away.
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There used to be a shop on Dale End which always had a good selection of European club shirts.
Yeah, the one on the corner of Corporation St, used to be decked out in all manner of random European club sportswear.
"What socks are they?"
"Foggia 3rd kit mate"
I remember one in Carnaby Street, Soccerscene (I think) which was similarly full of such football hipsterwear before hipsters were a thing.
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There used to be a shop on Dale End which always had a good selection of European club shirts.
Yeah, the one on the corner of Corporation St, used to be decked out in all manner of random European club sportswear.
"What socks are they?"
"Foggia 3rd kit mate"
I remember one in Carnaby Street, Soccerscene (I think) which was similarly full of such football hipsterwear before hipsters were a thing.
Bet it didn't sell socks.
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There used to be a shop on Dale End which always had a good selection of European club shirts.
Yeah, the one on the corner of Corporation St, used to be decked out in all manner of random European club sportswear.
"What socks are they?"
"Foggia 3rd kit mate"
I remember one in Carnaby Street, Soccerscene (I think) which was similarly full of such football hipsterwear before hipsters were a thing.
Bet it didn't sell socks.
Massive range of too-short trousers.
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Club branded unicycles.
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Couple of interesting Adidas kits.
Top one is 22/23 Racing Club de France.
Bottom one is Servette.
I mean even Altrincham are Adidas.
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Yeah but Altrincham, the rags and clubs like that have 'off the peg' deals with these suppliers.
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That Racing Club one lookes like something a fat EDL member would wear as he pretends he knows the words to land of Hope and Glory.
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That Racing Club one lookes like something a fat EDL member would wear as he pretends he knows the words to land of Hope and Glory.
Looks like it should be worn over chainmail.
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West Ham had Adidas for a few seasons. These are from 10 years ago, so styles have changed, but I wouldn't be dying about either of these.
Edit - can't get either of these to embed for some reason.
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The second one is just a remake of their mid-80's kit when they had their bestest ever season and finished third, the mickey mouse twats.
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That Racing Club one lookes like something a fat EDL member would wear as he pretends he knows the words to land of Hope and Glory.
Looks like it should be worn over chainmail.
😂
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When I was a kid it was always a marker of club size.
We had decent manufacturers on the whole, but West Ham for example had all manor of tinpot outfits and their shirts just looked like cheap efforts of ours, which was fine because they're just a poor facsimile of us at heart.
Seems to have in reverse of late though.
I agree with this, I'd say it still is a marker of club size.
What big clubs have Castore?
Its Puma, Nike or Adidas.
Adidas would loon chaotic with our colours because if the three stripes. Puma would be great but the crest might be a standalone lion which would look odd next to a puma on the other side
Therefore, Nike for me.
Nike - Just Do It
Villa - Claret & Blue It
8)
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The second one is just a remake of their mid-80's kit when they had their bestest ever season and finished third, the mickey mouse twats.
Its nice though.
We should have all claret more.
Love it.
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I would love Adidas for our next kit makers.
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We'd probably get more money staying with Castore, or going to a similar smaller brand.
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That's the thing.
FFP dominates our every waking moment, so it would be a bit odd to sign on for less than the current deal just because Nike, Puma et make nice kits.
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That's the thing.
FFP dominates our every waking moment, so it would be a bit odd to sign on for less than the current deal just because Nike, Puma et make nice kits.
Exactly. I'd imagine the idea will be to build a "brand" worth having so that the likes of Nike or Adidas will come with better offers down the line. We're small fry at the moment in terms of making money for a manufacturer, and one like Castore, still trying to build their brand in the football world, have more to gain from being associated with us than someone like Nike or Adidas.
That said, one of those brands might offer us the same deal as Castore, money wise, but they'll be putting zero effort into kit designs or other merchandise. So then it becomes a question of can we build a clear and recognisable identity if we're wearing basic template kits and looking like 20 other random teams just in slightly different colours.
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I would love Adidas for our next kit makers.
I'm hearing that it's going to be Adidas, which makes sense given Sawiris has a significant stake in both Villa and Adidas.
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We'd probably get more money staying with Castore, or going to a similar smaller brand.
Yes but we've been doing the shit brands for 12 years now.
People would be more likely to buy our kits if they were made by a decent brand. So there is that to consider as well.
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We'd probably get more money staying with Castore, or going to a similar smaller brand.
Yes but we've been doing the shit brands for 12 years now.
People would be more likely to buy our kits if they were made by a decent brand. So there is that to consider as well.
Well yeah, it's a decision that requires weighing up quite a lot of factors.
We might get less money from Nike or Adidas now, and have basic template kits, but if they're good quality and sell well, then we might get more money on the next deal a few years down the line.
Or, we take more money from Castore now, and hope that between rebranding and onfield success, we sell a lot more shirts than we usually do, and are in a position to negotiate a bigger value deal with a better manufacturer when the current deal runs out.
It's not a clear cut decision, and as someone pointed out a few posts back, going with Nike or Adidad just because they make nice kits isn't necessarily the right financial decision for the club at this moment.
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Seeing AZ’s kit last night probably gives us an insight as to what we might get from Nike.
Grey=Claret
Black=Blue
Nice simple design.
Same style but with 3 stripes on the arms would give you an Adidas version.
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West Ham for example had all manor of tinpot outfits and their shirts just looked like cheap efforts of ours
They had Pony on their shirts for a few seasons, which caused some mirth among fans of other London clubs given the rhyming slang connotations.
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Just go back to Luke design.
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Just go back to Luke design.
I'm very much in the minority, but it's just too claret. I get the whole Villa fan designer and promotion euphoria but as a kit in isolation, it wasn't really for me.
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West Ham for example had all manor of tinpot outfits and their shirts just looked like cheap efforts of ours
They had Pony on their shirts for a few seasons, which caused some mirth among fans of other London clubs given the rhyming slang connotations.
Having the nickname “The Irons” is just as funny for the same reason.
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Something I haven't seen mentioned - Castore's inability to provide a kit to our first team which has not proved to be uncomfortable and unpopular with the players?
That's piss poor.
Sawiris is not a fan of fucking about - he's the man who sacked our manager at an away match just before he got on the coach home - I can only begin to imagine his opinion of Castore.
Then there's the prestige part of it, it all adds up, not just from the kits, but from the sponsors (another thing I'd like us to change), to how the club is viewed.
Running around in Championship guff from Castore, Macron and Kappa is not a good look, it just says "whoever gives us the most money, we'll take them".
Also, Heck has, in the time he has been here, killed off part of the North Stand redevelopment despite plans having been approved, and - most importantly in terms of image - killed off a new badge launch which was already happening because he didn't think it was right. I reckon he'll be all over shit like this.
In terms of image, you don't see big clubs running around in low-end market rubbish. Newcastle have dumped Castore mid-contract, and assuming we do, who are their other 'big' prestige club clients?
Pissy small clubs like Wolves.
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I’ll never consider Kappa a crappy brand due to its 80s history, it’s gone a bit ‘Sports Direct’ now but it was quality clobber. And for what it’s worth, Macron is by far the best quality stuff for grass roots teams.
None of which will change your mind.
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Remember that impressive video Macron put together about them designing our shirt, before it had been revealed? How they had a top Italian design team on it yada yada, then when it was released, it looked like something someone who'd never seen a football shirt would design.
It reminded me of that Fast Show sketch with the make-up artist, "six hours in makeup and the transition is complete!".
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In terms of image, you don't see big clubs running around in low-end market rubbish. Newcastle have dumped Castore mid-contract, and assuming we do, who are their other 'big' prestige club clients?
Pissy small clubs like Wolves.
Castore have on their books this season,
Bayer Leverkusen, Feyenoord, Sevilla, Wolves, Athletic Bilbao, Rangers, U.D. Almeria, Utrecht, PNE, Twente, Mansfield Town, Charlton Athletic, MK Dons.
Some bigger than others, granted, but some pretty prestigious clubs there too.
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In terms of image, you don't see big clubs running around in low-end market rubbish. Newcastle have dumped Castore mid-contract, and assuming we do, who are their other 'big' prestige club clients?
Pissy small clubs like Wolves.
Castore have on their books this season,
Bayer Leverkusen, Feyenoord, Sevilla, Wolves, Athletic Bilbao, Rangers, U.D. Almeria, Utrecht, PNE, Twente, Mansfield Town, Charlton Athletic, MK Dons.
Some bigger than others, granted, but some pretty prestigious clubs there too.
No top level clubs there. A few of similar level to us - Seville, Feyenoord, maybe Bilbao.
The rest is guff.
I am excluding any discussion of Rangers as it's Scottish football, and I can't be arsed to set off a discussion about them.
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Got to say the Castore training stuff, the only things I buy when it’s on sale, are pretty decent.
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As an aside, I was driving through Glasgow last week and right by Parkhead is a pub painted in Rangers colours with Union Jacks/Flags flying from the roof and walls. I smiled thinking ‘ I bet that place has put a lot of decorators and glaziers kids through university’
Weird.
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In terms of image, you don't see big clubs running around in low-end market rubbish. Newcastle have dumped Castore mid-contract, and assuming we do, who are their other 'big' prestige club clients?
Pissy small clubs like Wolves.
Castore have on their books this season,
Bayer Leverkusen, Feyenoord, Sevilla, Wolves, Athletic Bilbao, Rangers, U.D. Almeria, Utrecht, PNE, Twente, Mansfield Town, Charlton Athletic, MK Dons.
Some bigger than others, granted, but some pretty prestigious clubs there too.
No top level clubs there. A few of similar level to us - Seville, Feyenoord, maybe Bilbao.
The rest is guff.
I disagree with your assessment of some of those clubs, but let's say you're right, and they're mostly guff. That's exactly why Castore will give us more money than a brand like Nike or Adidas. And from all we've seen the club do recently, money matters.
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Just go back to Luke design.
I'm very much in the minority, but it's just too claret. I get the whole Villa fan designer and promotion euphoria but as a kit in isolation, it wasn't really for me.
You speak sense! Correct on all fronts
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Something I haven't seen mentioned - Castore's inability to provide a kit to our first team which has not proved to be uncomfortable and unpopular with the players?
That's piss poor.
It seems to have gone very quiet on the sweaty kit front. At the time people were speculating at least 3-4 weeks for new kits to be made, others thought they should be able to drop everything and sort it in a week.
It goes to show, even with the potential huge damage to the brand over their heads, knocking up 100 new shirts clearly isn't as easy as people think.
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Something I haven't seen mentioned - Castore's inability to provide a kit to our first team which has not proved to be uncomfortable and unpopular with the players?
That's piss poor.
It seems to have gone very quiet on the sweaty kit front. At the time people were speculating at least 3-4 weeks for new kits to be made, others thought they should be able to drop everything and sort it in a week.
It goes to show, even with the potential huge damage to the brand over their heads, knocking up 100 new shirts clearly isn't as easy as people think.
Or that they're not bothering as we've told them we want to exit the contract regardless. We don't really know.
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In terms of image, you don't see big clubs running around in low-end market rubbish. Newcastle have dumped Castore mid-contract, and assuming we do, who are their other 'big' prestige club clients?
Pissy small clubs like Wolves.
Castore have on their books this season,
Bayer Leverkusen, Feyenoord, Sevilla, Wolves, Athletic Bilbao, Rangers, U.D. Almeria, Utrecht, PNE, Twente, Mansfield Town, Charlton Athletic, MK Dons.
Some bigger than others, granted, but some pretty prestigious clubs there too.
No top level clubs there. A few of similar level to us - Seville, Feyenoord, maybe Bilbao.
The rest is guff.
I disagree with your assessment of some of those clubs, but let's say you're right, and they're mostly guff. That's exactly why Castore will give us more money than a brand like Nike or Adidas. And from all we've seen the club do recently, money matters.
What's your take on BK8 in that case? As a sponsor?
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What's your take on BK8 in that case? As a sponsor?
I don't have a take.
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Apologies if I missed it elsewhere but why the all claret kit last night? I’m not complaining, I think it looks great but just wondered why we wore it.
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Apologies if I missed it elsewhere but why the all claret kit last night? I’m not complaining, I think it looks great but just wondered why we wore it.
AZ were wearing their 3rd kit which has grayish colour shorts. The assumption was the officials decided they clashed with our white shorts, so we changed.
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Does anyone know if you can buy the club branded gilet that UE wore to the press conference today? Cant see it on the club store anywhere, unless I’m being thick
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Watching a bit of the Windies - England one day cricket & note the Windies have moved from Castore for Macron - https://www.cricketworld.com/cwi-unveils-macron-as-new-technical-partner-official-team-kit-supplier-for-west-indies-teams/91242.htm
However, going down a Google wormhole this report appears Castore did the ditching in an attempt to shrink their portfolio based on new investment. Hopefully we help them shrink it further - https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/savingandinvesting/castore-nets-145m-in-raine-led-investment-round/ar-AA1kOdAi
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Dan Bardell (whoever he is?) and Jacob Tanswell on the latest 1874 podcast have confirmed that we have a new shirt manufacturer for next season to replace Castore, and that the shirts are in development.
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Dan Bardell (whoever he is?) and Jacob Tanswell on the latest 1874 podcast have confirmed that we have a new shirt manufacturer for next season to replace Castore, and that the shirts are in development.
Macron coming back?
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Henson
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Adidas would be good.
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I was working in Brindley Place when that kit was launched and I've got some (not very good) photos from behind the stage.
I went to that with a well-known local ‘author’.
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A big brand apparently. I posted this on the first vaguely relevant thread I saw, but this one would have been a better choice. Sorry mods and everyone.
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A big brand apparently. I posted this on the first vaguely relevant thread I saw, but this one would have been a better choice. Sorry mods and everyone.
Where did they say it was a big brand?
I saw the podcast and they said its one to be excited about but also that it was a new brand.
If it's not one of the big four then it'll be a disappointment. To be a big club you need to look like one and that means a top brand making your kits.
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It’s Adidas
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A big brand apparently. I posted this on the first vaguely relevant thread I saw, but this one would have been a better choice. Sorry mods and everyone.
Where did they say it was a big brand?
I saw the podcast and they said its one to be excited about but also that it was a new brand.
If it's not one of the big four then it'll be a disappointment. To be a big club you need to look like one and that means a top brand making your kits.
Yeah, possibly. They said we’d be excited by it, and perhaps I assumed the rest. We’ll see of course.
Edit: Tanswell “a new, big brand”.
Bardell: “one that fans will absolutely love”.
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The only big brand I can think of that's also new is Gymshark.
But would that excite the fans?
Maybe the younger ones who are more familiar with Gymshark.
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The only big brand I can think of that's also new is Gymshark.
But would that excite the fans?
Maybe the younger ones who are more familiar with Gymshark.
New to us, and big, was how I interpreted it.
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The only big brand I can think of that's also new is Gymshark.
But would that excite the fans?
Maybe the younger ones who are more familiar with Gymshark.
The bloke who started Gymshark is a billionaire Villa fan.
I doubt it’s them though.
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Bardell also said that he knows someone who’s seen it and it’s ‘unbelievable’ (said in a positive way) but ‘the badge isn’t great’. (He slagged the badge earlier in the pod).
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lets see how this is cocked up 😳😃
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The only big brand I can think of that's also new is Gymshark.
But would that excite the fans?
Maybe the younger ones who are more familiar with Gymshark.
New to us, and big, was how I interpreted it.
New to us.. well that would rule out:
Umbro, Le Coq Sportif, Henson, Hummel, Diadora, Asics, Reebok, Nike, Kappa, Under Armour, Macron, Luke, Castore... who's left?
Adidas, Puma, New Balance, Joma, O'Neills, Bukta, Errea, Fila, Pony, Admiral.
Take your pick
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The only big brand I can think of that's also new is Gymshark.
But would that excite the fans?
Maybe the younger ones who are more familiar with Gymshark.
New to us, and big, was how I interpreted it.
New to us.. well that would rule out:
Umbro, Le Coq Sportif, Henson, Hummel, Diadora, Asics, Reebok, Nike, Kappa, Under Armour, Macron, Luke, Castore... who's left?
Adidas, Puma, New Balance, Joma, O'Neills, Bukta, Errea, Fila, Pony, Admiral.
Take your pick
Again, my interpretation, but I think in an informal chat in a podcast, ‘new’ could just mean a change from the old. In other words, not Castore. I think if it was Umbro for instance, it would still be described quite widely as ‘Villa’s new kit manufacturer’ without people saying ‘that’s not new’.
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The only big brand I can think of that's also new is Gymshark.
But would that excite the fans?
Maybe the younger ones who are more familiar with Gymshark.
That's the brand that has made a young Bromsgrove lad a very wealthy man , is he a Villa fan ?
Edit.... just see n Percys post
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The only big brand I can think of that's also new is Gymshark.
But would that excite the fans?
Maybe the younger ones who are more familiar with Gymshark.
The bloke who started Gymshark is a billionaire Villa fan.
I doubt it’s them though.
Indeed he is Luke. Aston Uni alumni I believe.
Haha, just seen your edit.
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The only big brand I can think of that's also new is Gymshark.
But would that excite the fans?
Maybe the younger ones who are more familiar with Gymshark.
The bloke who started Gymshark is a billionaire Villa fan.
I doubt it’s them though.
Indeed he is Luke. Aston Uni alumni I believe.
Haha, just seen your edit.
Maybe the Villa connection is what he means by exciting the fans , a bit like the luke kit did.
Gymshark has become such a massive brand hey might see the football as their next step .
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Gymshark would be another Castore situation. No thanks.
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It’s Adidas
Are you speculating or do you know for sure?
Adidas would definitely be my first choice.
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I also interpreted ‘new’ as simply meaning not Castore anymore. People are reading too much into it by speculating Gymshark etc.
It’s nailed on adidas / Nike / Puma, I’d say.
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Would this be Heck's doing?
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Would this be Heck's doing?
If we're happy with it no. If it goes tits up, absolutely.
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I've heard Macron are coming back
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Whoever it is, they will be doing incredibly well to excite me.
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Would like us to go back to Hummel for nothing other than sentimental value.
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I like a Hummel kit, but I doubt very much they pay the most.
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I hope it's not Gymshark. I think they're a great brand and local company and it's brilliant to see them doing well, but after previous experience with the likes of Castore, Macron etc, I'd rather we just had someone with existing prestige in the game and years of experience of designing, making - and, for a change, making available to buy - football shirts.
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I hope it's not Gymshark. I think they're a great brand and local company and it's brilliant to see them doing well, but after previous experience with the likes of Castore, Macron etc, I'd rather we just had someone with existing prestige in the game and years of experience of designing, making - and, for a change, making available to buy - football shirts.
Agree entirely. Adidas is surely the really obvious choice with Nas's connection there.
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I’d have to agree with that too. Although I do like Hummel.
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I hope it's not Gymshark. I think they're a great brand and local company and it's brilliant to see them doing well, but after previous experience with the likes of Castore, Macron etc, I'd rather we just had someone with existing prestige in the game and years of experience of designing, making - and, for a change, making available to buy - football shirts.
When we had Nike they didn't really give a shit. Kit sales delayed every season. Give me anyone that does a nice kit and at minimum gets the colours right.
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Our Hummel kits were great but I seem to remember that there were never any available to buy until a good few months into the new season. You could probably say the same about most of the kits we’ve had though.
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I hope it's not Gymshark. I think they're a great brand and local company and it's brilliant to see them doing well, but after previous experience with the likes of Castore, Macron etc, I'd rather we just had someone with existing prestige in the game and years of experience of designing, making - and, for a change, making available to buy - football shirts.
When we had Nike they didn't really give a shit. Kit sales delayed every season. Give me anyone that does a nice kit and at minimum gets the colours right.
We've never managed to replace them with anyone who could get kits on shelves at the same time as other clubs manager. Nike weren't perfect, but they made the nicest kits we've had in the last 20 years.
I don't ever buy them myself, but I understand why people get emotional about them, and I would rather we had a prestige manufacturer instead of the sort of shite the likes of Albion would wear.
Also, we've got stuck into Heck for his failings on the badge and the ground, this is another massive part of his objectives - sort the kit deal out, so let's see what he manages.
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I hope it's not Gymshark. I think they're a great brand and local company and it's brilliant to see them doing well, but after previous experience with the likes of Castore, Macron etc, I'd rather we just had someone with existing prestige in the game and years of experience of designing, making - and, for a change, making available to buy - football shirts.
Agree entirely. Adidas is surely the really obvious choice with Nas's connection there.
Please dont let us look like Spam
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Please not Macron. I get all sorts of comments when that is plastered on my tat.
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I hope it's not Gymshark. I think they're a great brand and local company and it's brilliant to see them doing well, but after previous experience with the likes of Castore, Macron etc, I'd rather we just had someone with existing prestige in the game and years of experience of designing, making - and, for a change, making available to buy - football shirts.
When we had Nike they didn't really give a shit. Kit sales delayed every season. Give me anyone that does a nice kit and at minimum gets the colours right.
We've never managed to replace them with anyone who could get kits on shelves at the same time as other clubs manager. Nike weren't perfect, but they made the nicest kits we've had in the last 20 years.
I don't ever buy them myself, but I understand why people get emotional about them, and I would rather we had a prestige manufacturer instead of the sort of shite the likes of Albion would wear.
Also, we've got stuck into Heck for his failings on the badge and the ground, this is another massive part of his objectives - sort the kit deal out, so let's see what he manages.
One of the things I'd thought after Heck's first (?) interview was that you have to market a team as a 'premium brand', at least to people from other countries. I mean, we'll obviously support Villa regardless ... but nobody in the US or wherever is buying an Aston Villa shirt if it's made by some non-entity company they've never heard of.
You don't really want to be giving off the impression that you're some kind of Mickey Mouse outfit who'd be ecstatic if they were considered the biggest club within a 5-10 mile radius of their own ground. Like the Albion, for example. You need a proper kit manufacturer who people have heard of.
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We need to start with the geographical area in which we attract a lot of support.
I live 30 miles from the centre of Birmingham, and you hardly ever see Villa shirts in the shops around here. All sorts of other dross clubs, but never Villa, despite there being a lot of Villa support around here.
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One of the things I'd thought after Heck's first (?) interview was that you have to market a team as a 'premium brand', at least to people from other countries. I mean, we'll obviously support Villa regardless ... but nobody in the US or wherever is buying an Aston Villa shirt if it's made by some non-entity company they've never heard of.
Isn't all the globally bought NBA, NFL etc stuff unbranded?
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£16.50 per hour plus Luncheon Vouchers by the looks of it.
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Would this be Heck's doing?
It better be, he needs some credit after all the debits. However if it's Hummel, I'll drive him to the airport myself.
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I hope it's not Gymshark. I think they're a great brand and local company and it's brilliant to see them doing well, but after previous experience with the likes of Castore, Macron etc, I'd rather we just had someone with existing prestige in the game and years of experience of designing, making - and, for a change, making available to buy - football shirts.
Agree entirely. Adidas is surely the really obvious choice with Nas's connection there.
I'd be disappointed if it WASN'T Adidas at this point. Given the creative lengths the other wealthy clubs will go to get money into their clubs, with massive sponsorship deals from companies they own outright, I'd like to think the ability to get a decent deal from Adidas should be a forgone conclusion - particularly given our upward trajectory in the last 12 months.
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We need to start with the geographical area in which we attract a lot of support.
I live 30 miles from the centre of Birmingham, and you hardly ever see Villa shirts in the shops around here. All sorts of other dross clubs, but never Villa, despite there being a lot of Villa support around here.
Villa shirts in Liverpool One's Sports Direct. Makes me proud.
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Heck will have existing relationships with Nike, because they are the kit manufacturers in the NBA. They signed an 8 year deal starting 2017-2018 and took over from Adidas, so he'll have some links there too you'd think.
Adidas is an obvious link because of our owner, but also because we're shaping up to be the next big thing and they like to be involved. Heck was involved with New York Red Bulls sales and marketing when they signed up with Adidas to do their kits 10 years ago........
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Here's the podcast where Bardell and Tanswell talk about it.
The talk about the kit is round the 40 minute mark.
A few things they say:
It's a 'big' company.
The kits are designed already, which are really nice according to somebody who's seen them. Apart from the badge.
They'll be cheaper than the kits this year
They say a 'new' company, which some people have taken to mean a young company like Gymshark. I think they just mean new as in a change to Castore.
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Yeah I just listened to it and agree on that interpretation.
Although I’ll believe the cheaper bit when I see it.
Worth listening to the whole thing as Dan Bardell is very scathing on the Heck badge issue.
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Yeah I just listened to it and agree on that interpretation.
Although I’ll believe the cheaper bit when I see it.
Worth listening to the whole thing as Dan Bardell is very scathing on the Heck badge issue.
Good.
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I hope it's Adidas.
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Yeah I just listened to it and agree on that interpretation.
Although I’ll believe the cheaper bit when I see it.
Worth listening to the whole thing as Dan Bardell is very scathing on the Heck badge issue.
I also liked his quotes on the whole Fans Advisory Board issue. He said that it was only really the bloke from MOMS who asked the club any difficult questions and that's there's no real consulation going on. Backs up the feelings I have that it's mainly filled with people a bit in awe of being asked to sit in a meeting room at Villa Park, and are scared to put their head above the parapet in case they don't get invited in future.
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I like a Hummel kit, but I doubt very much they pay the most.
Depends on how much our stock has risen this season. Castore were presumably giving us the best deal most recently. We might be more attractive to Nike or Adidas now than we were 2 seasons ago, but it's possible we're still worth more to a brand like Hummel.
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Yeah I just listened to it and agree on that interpretation.
Although I’ll believe the cheaper bit when I see it.
Worth listening to the whole thing as Dan Bardell is very scathing on the Heck badge issue.
I also liked his quotes on the whole Fans Advisory Board issue. He said that it was only really the bloke from MOMS who asked the club any difficult questions and that's there's no real consulation going on. Backs up the feelings I have that it's mainly filled with people a bit in awe of being asked to sit in a meeting room at Villa Park, and are scared to put their head above the parapet in case they don't get invited in future.
That happened at Villa Talk with that Krulak chap.
Difficult questions were not welcomed, even though you were having a difficult conversation with the chap via pm that he was fairly honest & open in.
But they certainly did not want to lose that golden goose access & saw him as a huge coup for the site...
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I like a Hummel kit, but I doubt very much they pay the most.
Depends on how much our stock has risen this season. Castore were presumably giving us the best deal most recently. We might be more attractive to Nike or Adidas now than we were 2 seasons ago, but it's possible we're still worth more to a brand like Hummel.
We need to at some point (I think we are anyway) look past the money upfront and work the exposure angle. Forget city centre shops, millions of people worldwide use Nike and Adidas apps to buy their shit, I'm not sure about Hummel, Castore, Gola or whoever but I'm pretty sure that's not the case with any of them.
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I like a Hummel kit, but I doubt very much they pay the most.
Depends on how much our stock has risen this season. Castore were presumably giving us the best deal most recently. We might be more attractive to Nike or Adidas now than we were 2 seasons ago, but it's possible we're still worth more to a brand like Hummel.
We need to at some point (I think we are anyway) look past the money upfront and work the exposure angle. Forget city centre shops, millions of people worldwide use Nike and Adidas apps to buy their shit, I'm not sure about Hummel, Castore, Gola or whoever but I'm pretty sure that's not the case with any of them.
Yes, as people have said, it's your branding. The name we have on our kit affects how others see us and we have to partner with the right brands.
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I'm hoping for Hi-Tec, Slazenger or Fruit of the Loom.
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Is Sergio Tacchini still a thing.
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Is Sergio Tacchini still a thing.
Apparently yes….
https://www.80scasualclassics.co.uk/track-tops-c26/sergio-tacchini-orion-track-top-sky-blue-white-p13767/s169633?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=sergio-tacchini-orion-track-top-size-xl-size-xl-0012450504&utm_campaign=product%2Blisting%2Bads&cid=GBP&glCurrency=GBP&glCountry=GB&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiA-vOsBhAAEiwAIWR0TasWDrpVqP0q0M_oW65ELHK7urD1aagu-x-gt93Co26lJf3PeO2H8BoCxYMQAvD_BwE
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I like a Hummel kit, but I doubt very much they pay the most.
Depends on how much our stock has risen this season. Castore were presumably giving us the best deal most recently. We might be more attractive to Nike or Adidas now than we were 2 seasons ago, but it's possible we're still worth more to a brand like Hummel.
We need to at some point (I think we are anyway) look past the money upfront and work the exposure angle. Forget city centre shops, millions of people worldwide use Nike and Adidas apps to buy their shit, I'm not sure about Hummel, Castore, Gola or whoever but I'm pretty sure that's not the case with any of them.
They do, and Nike and Adidas push their stuff to the other outlets in a way that the other brands can only dream of.
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I'm hoping for Hi-Tec, Slazenger or Fruit of the Loom.
If you were in anyway market savvy you could see we've got our official footwear partner there with Hi-Tec, our sports casual and terry toweling sock partner with Slazenger and official t-shirt to just be worn under a jumper if it's a bit cold partner with the 'Loom.
Still leaves us open to a mega-offer from Spall for the kits themselves.
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I'm hoping for Hi-Tec, Slazenger or Fruit of the Loom.
If you were in anyway market savvy you could see we've got our official footwear partner there with Hi-Tec, our sports casual and terry toweling sock partner with Slazenger and official t-shirt to just be worn under a jumper if it's a bit cold partner with the 'Loom.
Still leaves us open to a mega-offer from Spall for the kits themselves.
Sondico for goalie gloves.
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I'm hoping for Hi-Tec, Slazenger or Fruit of the Loom.
You'd cut rather a dash on the mean streets of Shrewsbury in that.
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Back when the Bhatti Brothers owned the Tatters, what was their sportswear company called?
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I'm hoping for Hi-Tec, Slazenger or Fruit of the Loom.
You'd cut rather a dash on the mean streets of Shrewsbury in that.
Like a bandy-legged John Travolta at the start of Saturday Night Fever.
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I like a Hummel kit, but I doubt very much they pay the most.
Depends on how much our stock has risen this season. Castore were presumably giving us the best deal most recently. We might be more attractive to Nike or Adidas now than we were 2 seasons ago, but it's possible we're still worth more to a brand like Hummel.
We need to at some point (I think we are anyway) look past the money upfront and work the exposure angle. Forget city centre shops, millions of people worldwide use Nike and Adidas apps to buy their shit, I'm not sure about Hummel, Castore, Gola or whoever but I'm pretty sure that's not the case with any of them.
They do, and Nike and Adidas push their stuff to the other outlets in a way that the other brands can only dream of.
Well I guess all that will be taken into consideration, and if they care about the whole global branding as much as they appear to, then it might well be a case of going with a smaller upfront financial deal in exchange for better exposure, and probably better quality, let's be honest. Depending on what % of merchandise the deal gives us, we could still end up making more if we're selling 20 or 30% more units than we are currently.
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I'm hoping for Hi-Tec, Slazenger or Fruit of the Loom.
You'd cut rather a dash on the mean streets of Shrewsbury in that.
Like a bandy-legged John Travolta at the start of Saturday Night Fever.
You can imagine the covetous glances of the big eared boys.
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You should see him go at the square dance
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Fingers crossed for Lonsdale.
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Is Sergio Tacchini still a thing.
Apparently yes….
https://www.80scasualclassics.co.uk/track-tops-c26/sergio-tacchini-orion-track-top-sky-blue-white-p13767/s169633?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=sergio-tacchini-orion-track-top-size-xl-size-xl-0012450504&utm_campaign=product%2Blisting%2Bads&cid=GBP&glCurrency=GBP&glCountry=GB&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiA-vOsBhAAEiwAIWR0TasWDrpVqP0q0M_oW65ELHK7urD1aagu-x-gt93Co26lJf3PeO2H8BoCxYMQAvD_BwE
(https://i.ibb.co/JKhwRqm/5059695856015-1-900x.webp) (https://ibb.co/JKhwRqm)
That would look superb with a pair of Fara's and some Puma G Vilas trainers.
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Fingers crossed for Lonsdale.
Kipsta shin pads.
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Is Sergio Tacchini still a thing.
Apparently yes….
https://www.80scasualclassics.co.uk/track-tops-c26/sergio-tacchini-orion-track-top-sky-blue-white-p13767/s169633?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=sergio-tacchini-orion-track-top-size-xl-size-xl-0012450504&utm_campaign=product%2Blisting%2Bads&cid=GBP&glCurrency=GBP&glCountry=GB&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiA-vOsBhAAEiwAIWR0TasWDrpVqP0q0M_oW65ELHK7urD1aagu-x-gt93Co26lJf3PeO2H8BoCxYMQAvD_BwE
(https://i.ibb.co/JKhwRqm/5059695856015-1-900x.webp) (https://ibb.co/JKhwRqm)
That would look superb with a pair of Fara's and some Puma G Vilas trainers.
I like that.
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I'm hoping for Hi-Tec, Slazenger or Fruit of the Loom.
My favourite kit has to be Mexico’s 1978 effort - made by Levi’s
https://x.com/fussballgeekz/status/1602566592134627330?s=46&t=fPyiXcae7CCzHj_x8UdphA
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I mentioned Synthetico Twattini because, along with Hamtonesque yachtwear and playing high-slung air bass to Level 42, it was one one of the quick Gareth Tests of the 80s. You lot need to have a word with yourselves.
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I'm hoping for Hi-Tec, Slazenger or Fruit of the Loom.
My favourite kit has to be Mexico’s 1978 effort - made by Levi’s
https://x.com/fussballgeekz/status/1602566592134627330?s=46&t=fPyiXcae7CCzHj_x8UdphA
The dark green v neck is excellent.
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Fingers crossed for Lonsdale.
That would be great.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/oBmML_pVqxg/maxresdefault.jpg)
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I'm hoping for Hi-Tec, Slazenger or Fruit of the Loom.
My favourite kit has to be Mexico’s 1978 effort - made by Levi’s
https://x.com/fussballgeekz/status/1602566592134627330?s=46&t=fPyiXcae7CCzHj_x8UdphA
That's a belter!
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I mentioned Synthetico Twattini because, along with Hamtonesque yachtwear and playing high-slung air bass to Level 42, it was one one of the quick Gareth Tests of the 80s. You lot need to have a word with yourselves.
Round our way it was the gear of wannabe football hooligans. As somebody said above, usually worn with a pair of Farah slacks and some Adidas, walking round like Danny Dyer having just shit himself.
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I'm hoping for Hi-Tec, Slazenger or Fruit of the Loom.
You'd cut rather a dash on the mean streets of Shrewsbury in that.
Like a bandy-legged John Travolta at the start of Saturday Night Fever.
You can imagine the covetous glances of the big eared boys.
They like me in my wellies. I got my mate to do a Gucci logo on them in pig's blood.
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Back when the Bhatti Brothers owned the Tatters, what was their sportswear company called?
Mark-One
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Back when the Bhatti Brothers owned the Tatters, what was their sportswear company called?
Mark-One
On the old ramp - good old days
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Stone Island, given our infatuation with badges. Makes it easier to get it in.
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Stone Island, given our infatuation with badges. Makes it easier to get it in.
THEN we'd be able to drink in town.
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Stone Island, given our infatuation with badges. Makes it easier to get it in.
THEN we'd be able to drink in town.
But only on Sherlock Street.
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Back when the Bhatti Brothers owned the Tatters, what was their sportswear company called?
Mark-One
No that was the Kumar's at Blues. Wasn't it Influence?
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Stone Island, given our infatuation with badges. Makes it easier to get it in.
THEN we'd be able to drink in town.
I've just genuinely laughed at the thought of Stone Island making a football kit. But then I suppose Luke 1977 did.
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Back when the Bhatti Brothers owned the Tatters, what was their sportswear company called?
Mark-One
That was the Kumars who owned that lot as well wasn't it?
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Back when the Bhatti Brothers owned the Tatters, what was their sportswear company called?
Mark-One
That was the Kumars who owned that lot as well wasn't it?
ah right , i thought they were the same owners , christ they've had a crap history.
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Back when the Bhatti Brothers owned the Tatters, what was their sportswear company called?
Spall ?
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I'm hoping for Hi-Tec, Slazenger or Fruit of the Loom.
Mike Ashley is touting Slazenger to England Cricket to buy out the Castore deal, so please be careful what you wish for.
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New balance seemed to do nice stuff
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New balance seemed to do nice stuff
Do they do Liverpool’s kits?
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New balance seemed to do nice stuff
Do they do Liverpool’s kits?
I think they did and was quite simple which i like
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Some of the "leaked" Nike kits for next season, and for the Euros/Copa America aren't great. I think I'd prefer Adidas over them anyway.
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Telegraph reporting its Adidas.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/01/09/aston-villa-kit-shirt-adidas-deal-castore-sawiris-emery/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/01/09/aston-villa-kit-shirt-adidas-deal-castore-sawiris-emery/)
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Telegraph reporting its Adidas.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/01/09/aston-villa-kit-shirt-adidas-deal-castore-sawiris-emery/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/01/09/aston-villa-kit-shirt-adidas-deal-castore-sawiris-emery/)
Oooo, now I'm interested.
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Telegraph reporting its Adidas.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/01/09/aston-villa-kit-shirt-adidas-deal-castore-sawiris-emery/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/01/09/aston-villa-kit-shirt-adidas-deal-castore-sawiris-emery/)
Brilliant news! World domination, here we come.
Keep the round badge and I'll definitely buy some of those.
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Telegraph reporting its Adidas.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/01/09/aston-villa-kit-shirt-adidas-deal-castore-sawiris-emery/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/01/09/aston-villa-kit-shirt-adidas-deal-castore-sawiris-emery/)
It feels like we've rushed into this without exploring all the other options.
Imagine this sat on McGinn's left nipple.
(https://i.ibb.co/VNGFGJM/hitec.png) (https://ibb.co/VNGFGJM)
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Credit to Heck then for helping to land this deal. He’s being rightly criticized for some things. But he should be credited for his role in this.
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Credit to Nas then for helping to land this deal.
;)
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Credit to Nas then for helping to land this deal.
;)
I’m sure that helped.
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Credit to Heck then for helping to land this deal. He’s being rightly criticized for some things. But he should be credited for his role in this.
I don't begrudge him his credit, but how hard can it have been when his boss owns a slice of the client?!
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Telegraph reporting its Adidas.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/01/09/aston-villa-kit-shirt-adidas-deal-castore-sawiris-emery/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/01/09/aston-villa-kit-shirt-adidas-deal-castore-sawiris-emery/)
Aston Villa have struck a major deal with Adidas, one of world football’s two biggest sportswear brands, to take over as their kit manufacturer from Castore next season.
The deal was overseen by the club’s billionaire Egyptian owner Nassef Sawiris, who owns around seven per cent of the German company. Adidas has kit deals with some of the biggest clubs in the world including Manchester United, Bayern Munich and Real Madrid.
The Adidas deal is understood to be a long-term agreement worth multi-millions of pounds for the men’s and women’s teams and the academy.
Sawiris, 62, who was the driving force in the appointment of manager Unai Emery, was eager that the club had a blue-chip manufacturer to reflect the ambitions he has for Villa. Emery’s arrival in October 2022 has proved transformative. The club are currently second in the Premier League, and in the last 16 of the Uefa Europa Conference League with ambitions to be in the Champions League next season.
The deal with Adidas will see Villa’s Castore agreement come to and end. Telegraph Sport revealed in September that Villa were looking at an amicable way out of their deal with current shirt manufacturer Castore, the British kit supplier, at the end of this season. While that was always a possibility given the ambition of the club, Castore’s position was not helped by complaints from players in the men’s and women’s teams about the “wet-look” nature of the shirts. The shirts appeared saturated and clingy once players started perspiring.
Last month, Telegraph Sport also revealed Villa took delivery of new shirts from Castore which the manufacturer hoped would not have the same saturation issue. It has been less prevalent as the weather has grown colder.
The company also currently supplies the kit for Newcastle United who announced in September that they would also be switching to Adidas for the 2024-2025 season.
Like all commercial agreements, it will be subject to the Premier League’s related-party transaction approval process. No issues are anticipated. Adidas supply four Premier League kits - United, Arsenal, Nottingham Forest and Fulham.
Vila have partnered with just about every kit manufacturer past and present at different periods in their history, including Nike, Kappa, Under Armour, Macron, Diadora, Reebok, Asics, Umbro and Hummel – but never before Adidas. Villa declined to comment.
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Just need Heck to apply his bulldozer approach to the BK8 deal and get a proper sponsor on the new shirt
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Without knowing anything at all about this deal, or how it came about, I hope Heck gets a CBE.
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Thank you Nassef.
We’re rockin’ three stripes boys!
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Fantastic news after the rubbish we've had from Castore, Luke and Macron over the years. Did wonder if we'd end up with Adidas given Sawiris' connections with them.
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In the article it says United. I’m pretty sure there is more than one in the PL. Or are we expected to assume United is always now Man United and City is always now Man City? Wankers
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Sawiris, 62, who was the driving force in the appointment of manager Unai Emery, was eager that the club had a blue-chip manufacturer to reflect the ambitions he has for Villa.
Exactly what I've been saying for years.
Well done Nas.
A claret and blue-chip manufacturer is finally here 8)
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Fantastic news after the rubbish we've had from Castore, Luke and Macron over the years. Did wonder if we'd end up with Adidas given Sawiris' connections with them.
Just a matter of when I reckon.
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All that remains to be seen is whether we're considered an "A" team and get some snazzy custom designed kits. Otherwise you can have a look at their templates and mock up the home one now.
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Without knowing anything at all about this deal, or how it came about, I hope Heck gets a CBE.
If he gets rid of the proposed yellow badge, he can have Paula Vennells's.
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Credit to Heck then for helping to land this deal. He’s being rightly criticized for some things. But he should be credited for his role in this.
You'll be thanking him for appointing Emery next! I mean, it's not like Nas is on the board at Adidas or anything.
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Credit to Heck then for helping to land this deal. He’s being rightly criticized for some things. But he should be credited for his role in this.
You'll be thanking him for appointing Emery next! I mean, it's not like Nas is on the board at Adidas or anything.
4th largest shareholder, only significant non-institutional shareholder. I suspect he has a bit of clout there.
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Nice one. Something completely new. Interesting to see, credit to the club.
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Fantastic news after the rubbish we've had from Castore, Luke and Macron over the years. Did wonder if we'd end up with Adidas given Sawiris' connections with them.
The Luke top was excellent
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In fact, Heck's probably looking at the small print, wondering how he can put a stop to it and bring Matchwinner on board instead! ;)
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Credit to Heck then for helping to land this deal. He’s being rightly criticized for some things. But he should be credited for his role in this.
You'll be thanking him for appointing Emery next! I mean, it's not like Nas is on the board at Adidas or anything.
Yeah - I mean thanking Heck is like when my Father in Law said, "well done" when he found out I'd knocked up his daughter.
Thinking about it, the strange thing was it wasn't the one I was married to...
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Fantastic news after the rubbish we've had from Castore, Luke and Macron over the years. Did wonder if we'd end up with Adidas given Sawiris' connections with them.
The Luke top was excellent
Seconded.
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Arsenal and Fulham kits from this season, both in the style our kit usually is. Don't like the Fulham one myself, but the Arsenal one could work, not sure what colour the sleeve stripes would be? Claret? Or yellow like our beloved yellow lion?
(https://www.sportsdirect.com/images/products/37891808_l.jpg)
(https://shop.fulhamfc.com/siteimg/listings/4978-361.jpg)
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The Fulham one is a bit bland, and I don't like the different colour stripes on the shoulders. The Arsenal one is quite smart though.
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Mate you've just posted the same (big) message five times in a row!
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Anyone know what the Arsenal and Fulham kits look like for comparison purposes?
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AV84 - any chance you could post the picture again mate? Would love to get another look at them
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Fantastic news after the rubbish we've had from Castore, Luke and Macron over the years. Did wonder if we'd end up with Adidas given Sawiris' connections with them.
The Luke top was excellent
Seconded.
Agreed, liked the Luke and Kappa tops. Macron and Castore were/are rubbish.
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;D
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I like the Arsenal kit, excited to see what we come up with.
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I did not like the Luke top.
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Hard to imagine what our kit will look like with 3 stripes.
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Excellent news if true. Just a shame it’s looking like we’ll have that piss poor effort of a new badge on it…but at least we should hopefully have some decent training gear and merchandise featuring just the stand-alone lion.
With regards to the adidas 3-stripes, hopefully they’ll just be claret on the blue sleeves.
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hopefully a V neck too
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Sorry folks, I kept getting an error message and nothing was posting.
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thought you were just a little excited 😉
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West Ham's home Adidas kits from 2014/15 and 2013/14 (controversial but I do like the all claret ones)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/B6MAAOSwku9funne/s-l960.webp)
(https://sbprostorage02v2.blob.core.windows.net/images/archive/WestHam_1314_Home_IMG1.jpg)
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I would be happy with 3 stripes on the collar and down the side under the arm
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I don't like a collar
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West Ham's home Adidas kits from 2014/15 and 2013/14 (controversial but I do like the all claret ones)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/B6MAAOSwku9funne/s-l960.webp)
(https://sbprostorage02v2.blob.core.windows.net/images/archive/WestHam_1314_Home_IMG1.jpg)
Personally I don't like the white stripes going through two colours on that 2nd kit. Doesn't look right to me.
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West Ham had Adidas back in the 80s too, and I like the look of this one from '83. The claret stripes on the sleeves looks really good.
(https://dpretro.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/whufc46.jpg)
(https://dpretro.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/e34.jpg)
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I fully expect the Villa kit design to be bang average, but overlooked by most due to the fact that it has the Adidas logo on it making it ace.
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Some of our Twitter herberts are arguing with some of Newcastle's herberts on Twitter. Our divs have already got status anxiety because Newcastle are a category A team, whereas we'll likely be category B. Who knows or cares what those two things are or mean, but it's a real worry for some. Newcastle's divs' main problem is that they think we're copying them by going with Adidas.
I had to read Graham Linehan's feed afterwards, just to restore some sanity.
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West Ham's home Adidas kits from 2014/15 and 2013/14 (controversial but I do like the all claret ones)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/B6MAAOSwku9funne/s-l960.webp)
(https://sbprostorage02v2.blob.core.windows.net/images/archive/WestHam_1314_Home_IMG1.jpg)
Personally I don't like the white stripes going through two colours on that 2nd kit. Doesn't look right to me.
Correct…it looks shit. Our kit would need to use the same or similar template to the Arsenal/Fulham one. For the West Ham template above to work properly, it should have blue or white stripes on the shoulders and possibly up the sides/underarm.
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(https://i.ibb.co/yfqQgWY/IMG-1253.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yfqQgWY)
( just off T’internet)
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(https://i.ibb.co/1JV4LsQ/IMG-1607.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1JV4LsQ)
(https://i.ibb.co/RPd2k4P/IMG-1608.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RPd2k4P)
I imagine that all of the mocks online will be better than the final version.
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I’m half expecting stripes next season.
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I was in the gym tonight and some young fella had an Adidas football kit on, it’s was really smart, I think it was Real Madrid away. I was quite jealous, a bit of kit envy. So to come home and read this is fantastic news. Adidas have always made really smart kits. Swansea has some great kits while they were in the top league.
As an aside, why is AV84 posting in morse code?
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150th year. Wouldn’t it be good to have the shirt ready by the start of the summer holidays?
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I’m half expecting stripes next season.
Bayern Munich's supposed home kit for next season is striped, two shades of red, and it looks really good. Wouldn't mind some version of it as our away. Stripes on the home kit would be a massive no for me.
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(https://i.ibb.co/QQR0mdt/IMG-1610.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QQR0mdt)
Get a pair of these too to go with the new threads.
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150th year. Wouldn’t it be good to have the shirt ready by the start of the summer holidays?
As I understand it, the kits will be unveiled in the spring. I think it was mentioned in that infamous Heck interview.
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I don't like a collar
Same here, not a fan of collars on kits.
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I don't like a collar
Same here, not a fan of collars on kits.
Me neither.
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I don’t like having to wear a collar either. It was bad enough being chipped.
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(https://i.ibb.co/QQR0mdt/IMG-1610.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QQR0mdt)
Get a pair of these too to go with the new threads.
Already have these ready to go.
(https://blog.aphrodite1994.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/y3_boxing_cardinal_red.jpg)
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Telegraph reporting its Adidas.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/01/09/aston-villa-kit-shirt-adidas-deal-castore-sawiris-emery/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/01/09/aston-villa-kit-shirt-adidas-deal-castore-sawiris-emery/)
That is fabulous news.
Well done Sawiris & Heck for getting us out of the previous deal & into this one.
Tbh, with Sawiris 6% in adidas, it was always on the cards.
But great to get it over the line...
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The Athletic mentions Mr. Heck;
“ The impending switch — secured by the club’s president of business operations, Chris Heck — follows complaints from playing staff about this season’s ‘wet-look’ Castore shirt.”
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The Athletic mentions Mr. Heck;
“ The impending switch — secured by the club’s president of business operations, Chris Heck — follows complaints from playing staff about this season’s ‘wet-look’ Castore shirt.”
I would imagine that Heck would have had a large hand in getting us out of the Castore deal.
Talking to Sawiris about getting adidas shouldn't have been a difficult conversation though, lol.
But without cancelling Castore, adidas doesn't happen, so I would say, fair play for that...
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I don’t like having to wear a collar either. It was bad enough being chipped.
wait till you have your nuts off....
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It makes me wonder how good that round badge we have now would look on an Adidas kit.
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It makes me wonder how good that round badge we have now would look on an Adidas kit.
Ruddy marvellous, I'd say! 8)
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The Athletic mentions Mr. Heck;
“ The impending switch — secured by the club’s president of business operations, Chris Heck — follows complaints from playing staff about this season’s ‘wet-look’ Castore shirt.”
I would imagine that Heck would have had a large hand in getting us out of the Castore deal.
Talking to Sawiris about getting adidas shouldn't have been a difficult conversation though, lol.
But without cancelling Castore, adidas doesn't happen, so I would say, fair play for that...
Without wanting to be a dick, surely it cant be too hard to have got out of the Catore deal. I.e. they failed to provide on the most basic of brief - i.e. a wearable shirt.
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I don’t like having to wear a collar either. It was bad enough being chipped.
wait till you have your nuts off....
Don’t give my other half ideas :-X
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The Athletic mentions Mr. Heck;
“ The impending switch — secured by the club’s president of business operations, Chris Heck — follows complaints from playing staff about this season’s ‘wet-look’ Castore shirt.”
That was my point earlier. It wasn't just about the new partner which is no doubt helped by Nas. It's also getting out of the old.- Heck in his role would have been very involved in the details of this.
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The Athletic mentions Mr. Heck;
“ The impending switch — secured by the club’s president of business operations, Chris Heck — follows complaints from playing staff about this season’s ‘wet-look’ Castore shirt.”
I would imagine that Heck would have had a large hand in getting us out of the Castore deal.
Talking to Sawiris about getting adidas shouldn't have been a difficult conversation though, lol.
But without cancelling Castore, adidas doesn't happen, so I would say, fair play for that...
Without wanting to be a dick, surely it cant be too hard to have got out of the Catore deal. I.e. they failed to provide on the most basic of brief - i.e. a wearable shirt.
It depends what the contract says. And yes, you can argue breach of contract, but you don’t really want it to go down the legal route.
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The Athletic mentions Mr. Heck;
“ The impending switch — secured by the club’s president of business operations, Chris Heck — follows complaints from playing staff about this season’s ‘wet-look’ Castore shirt.”
I would imagine that Heck would have had a large hand in getting us out of the Castore deal.
Talking to Sawiris about getting adidas shouldn't have been a difficult conversation though, lol.
But without cancelling Castore, adidas doesn't happen, so I would say, fair play for that...
Without wanting to be a dick, surely it cant be too hard to have got out of the Catore deal. I.e. they failed to provide on the most basic of brief - i.e. a wearable shirt.
More difficult than the adidas conversation...
Slightly, lol...
But jokes aside, all the dots & crosses have to be ticked off so it is all legal & above board.
Im not building him a statue or anything, its just some credit where it is due.
He's still in the minus numbers overall though, lol...
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I reckon this deal will be much better for us financially, particularly as we’re a much better sell than when we signed up with Castore.
So it all adds to the equation for this summer’s transfer budget.
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Kit and merchandise sales will naturally increase with having adidas on board. I hope Heck doesn’t use the forthcoming anticipated and expected increase in kit and merchandise sales to justify the new badge design (on the basis that, as stated by Heck, the current round badge on the shirts failed to have significant impact).
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More than decent team, now with a decent kit manufacturer finally!
Watch these fly off the shelves in the summer (*assuming that recent badge monstrosity is not an indicator of the kit design!)
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I reckon this deal will be much better for us financially, particularly as we’re a much better sell than when we signed up with Castore.
So it all adds to the equation for this summer’s transfer budget.
Plus it might be an intangible, but wearing Adidas is more prestigious than wearing Castore. It's associated more with elite clubs.
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It's good to have one of the top brands involved. The article says Heck has been involved and let's not knock him, otherwise it looks like trying to find fault and problems where there is none.
I wonder if BK8 will remain on the front too.
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Just another point, I wonder how much the deal is worth? Given the kit deals other clubs are reported to have, is this a significant increase in the commercial coffers?
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It's good to have one of the top brands involved. The article says Heck has been involved and let's not knock him, otherwise it looks like trying to find fault and problems where there is none.
I wonder if BK8 will remain on the front too.
There’s one more year before the ban, isn’t there? I would think they’ll be looking for a fitting brand replacement for the following season.
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Worth listening to the whole thing as Dan Bardell is very scathing on the Heck badge issue.
Yes, I was pleasantly surprised to see that he’s not a lickspittle Villa ownership arse licker.
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(https://i.ibb.co/yfqQgWY/IMG-1253.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yfqQgWY)
( just off T’internet)
I want that now. Just wow
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It's good to have one of the top brands involved. The article says Heck has been involved and let's not knock him, otherwise it looks like trying to find fault and problems where there is none.
I wonder if BK8 will remain on the front too.
There’s one more year before the ban, isn’t there? I would think they’ll be looking for a fitting brand replacement for the following season.
It starts in the 26/27 season, so two and a half year to go.
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The one thing they need to absolutely make sure they do not do is give us some old shite that looks like a West Ham shirt.
I am hoping we're in their 'elite' group, ie get our own designs rather than predictable templated shite.
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Credit to Heck then for helping to land this deal. He’s being rightly criticized for some things. But he should be credited for his role in this.
You'll be thanking him for appointing Emery next! I mean, it's not like Nas is on the board at Adidas or anything.
Yeah - I mean thanking Heck is like when my Father in Law said, "well done" when he found out I'd knocked up his daughter.
Thinking about it, the strange thing was it wasn't the one I was married to...
Haha!
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I suspect this is another case of Sawaris losing patience and dealing with matters directly just like when he walked all over purslow and sacked carpetlandhead.
This time he's bypassed Heck and his fannying about and bought his own company in to provide the kit.
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Don’t want to piss on anyone’s bonfire, but all this talk of elite clubs wearing adidas…
(https://i.ibb.co/LxSMWZq/IMG-9768.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LxSMWZq)
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Don’t want to piss on anyone’s bonfire, but all this talk of elite clubs wearing adidas…
(https://i.ibb.co/LxSMWZq/IMG-9768.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LxSMWZq)
I mean, as Blose kits go....
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Don’t want to piss on anyone’s bonfire, but all this talk of elite clubs wearing adidas…
(https://i.ibb.co/LxSMWZq/IMG-9768.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LxSMWZq)
I mean, as Blose kits go....
Haha!
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It's good to have one of the top brands involved. The article says Heck has been involved and let's not knock him, otherwise it looks like trying to find fault and problems where there is none.
I wonder if BK8 will remain on the front too.
That’s all I’m saying too about Heck. He’s not got to where he is and appointed by owners we have trust in by being shit. That’s not to say he shouldn’t get criticism where it’s deserved. The badge has not been handled well and the stadium issues or changes aren’t being communicated well. But he’s here to improve our commercial position reporting in to our owners. I’m sure Nas’ involvement with Adidas paved the way for this deal but Heck would have had to resolved issues with Castore and ultimately secured this new deal for the club. It’s never as easy as just because Nas is in with Adidas it looked after itself. Under Nas we have also had Luke, Under Armour, Kappa and Castore.
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Sawaris has waited for the right time to bring adidas in so the right deal can be structured without suspecting eyes of fudging the books. The time wasn't right before but we are a much bigger ticket now
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Sawaris has waited for the right time to bring adidas in so the right deal can be structured without suspecting eyes of fudging the books. The time wasn't right before but we are a much bigger ticket now
Absolute nonsense. I’m happy with Adidas vs Castore/Macron/Under Armour etc. but let’s not pretend they only service elite clubs. And that getting them is some sort of coup. They make kits for teams at all levels.
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It's good to have one of the top brands involved. The article says Heck has been involved and let's not knock him, otherwise it looks like trying to find fault and problems where there is none.
I wonder if BK8 will remain on the front too.
That’s all I’m saying too about Heck. He’s not got to where he is and appointed by owners we have trust in by being shit. That’s not to say he shouldn’t get criticism where it’s deserved. The badge has not been handled well and the stadium issues or changes aren’t being communicated well. But he’s here to improve our commercial position reporting in to our owners. I’m sure Nas’ involvement with Adidas paved the way for this deal but Heck would have had to resolved issues with Castore and ultimately secured this new deal for the club. It’s never as easy as just because Nas is in with Adidas it looked after itself. Under Nas we have also had Luke, Hummel, Kappa and Castore.
"He's here to improve the commercial position" - what a massive get out phrase that is.
We don't like the Terrace View (which let's be honest, is people paying 45 quid a match to get the sort of service which should be standard,) but hey, he's here to improve our commercial performance, so that's ok.
We don't like the Lower Grounds taking away what was once free, but hey, he's here to improve the commercial performance, so that's ok.
We don't like the new badge, but hey, he's here to improve commercial performance and he thinks that's the way forward, so that's ok.
Nas rolls one across the goal line for him to poke in on the kit and all of a sudden he's the hero.
This guy is a fucking fans-relation disaster, and it's not because he doesn't know what he's doing, he's a clever guy, it's because he does not give one tenth of one shit. Still, I suppose that's excusable as well.
It's going to take way, way more than this for me to be convinced of this bloke.
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Sawaris has waited for the right time to bring adidas in so the right deal can be structured without suspecting eyes of fudging the books. The time wasn't right before but we are a much bigger ticket now
Absolute nonsense. I’m happy with Adidas vs Castore/Macron/Under Armour etc. but let’s not pretend they only service elite clubs. And that getting them is some sort of coup. They make kits for teams at all levels.
So what , you've missed the essential point. It's about how much they pay nothing to do with the kit itself. Same with the sponsor, now is a perfect time to exploit the opportunity. We are in new territory.
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Sawaris has waited for the right time to bring adidas in so the right deal can be structured without suspecting eyes of fudging the books. The time wasn't right before but we are a much bigger ticket now
Absolute nonsense. I’m happy with Adidas vs Castore/Macron/Under Armour etc. but let’s not pretend they only service elite clubs. And that getting them is some sort of coup. They make kits for teams at all levels.
So what , you've missed the essential point. It's about how much they pay nothing to do with the kit itself. Same with the sponsor, now is a perfect time to exploit the opportunity. We are in new territory.
What on earth are you on about?
How much they will pay is intrinsically linked with how many shirts we sell.
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Sawaris has waited for the right time to bring adidas in so the right deal can be structured without suspecting eyes of fudging the books. The time wasn't right before but we are a much bigger ticket now
Absolute nonsense. I’m happy with Adidas vs Castore/Macron/Under Armour etc. but let’s not pretend they only service elite clubs. And that getting them is some sort of coup. They make kits for teams at all levels.
So what , you've missed the essential point. It's about how much they pay nothing to do with the kit itself. Same with the sponsor, now is a perfect time to exploit the opportunity. We are in new territory.
What on earth are you on about?
How much they will pay is intrinsically linked with how many shirts we sell.
What on earth are you on about ! That's only one element . Adidas will be paying us a sponsorship fee to wear their kit. Kit sale royalties is just one element of the deal
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:-\llSawaris has waited for the right time to bring adidas in so the right deal can be structured without suspecting eyes of fudging the books. The time wasn't right before but we are a much bigger ticket now
Absolute nonsense. I’m happy with Adidas vs Castore/Macron/Under Armour etc. but let’s not pretend they only service elite clubs. And that getting them is some sort of coup. They make kits for teams at all levels.
So what , you've missed the essential point. It's about how much they pay nothing to do with the kit itself. Same with the sponsor, now is a perfect time to exploit the opportunity. We are in new territory.
What on earth are you on about?
How much they will pay is intrinsically linked with how many shirts we sell.
What on earth are you on about ! That's only one element . Adidas will be paying us a sponsorship fee to wear their kit. Kit sale royalties is just one element of the deal
You said it was "nothing to do with the kit itself". Then you just said it is.
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It's about how much they pay , be that upfront fees or the royalty %'s . It's about the money not the kit itself . We are in a better place to negotiate a great deal with adidas helped by a mutual owner and it won't raise as many eyebrows as doing it as soon as he walked in the door when we were in the championship . Now we are in a position where a mega bucks deal won't look so fishy.
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When Nas and Wes first took over, we were a Championship club, and 90 minutes of play off action later, everything changes. I seem to recall that Fanatics were really the suppliers behind the Luke and Kappa kits, with those two companies just doing the design. Fanatics supplied the Bucks kit so I susepct that intro came from Wes.
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Let it look what ever. I’m sure whichever way we do it they’ll make it work to our benefit. A £5 billion deal has a nice ring to it.
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Let it look what ever. I’m sure whichever way we do it they’ll make it work to our benefit. A £5 billion deal has a nice ring to it.
But that's where the authorities step in and make sure the numbers are semi realistic . Or they are supposed to.
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Let it look what ever. I’m sure whichever way we do it they’ll make it work to our benefit. A £5 billion deal has a nice ring to it.
But that's where the authorities step in and make sure the numbers are semi realistic . Or they are supposed to.
Nas wouldn’t be able to artificially inflate the deal anyway.
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Let it look what ever. I’m sure whichever way we do it they’ll make it work to our benefit. A £5 billion deal has a nice ring to it.
But that's where the authorities step in and make sure the numbers are semi realistic . Or they are supposed to.
Nas wouldn’t be able to artificially inflate the deal anyway.
Exactly hence why now is a perfect time to get Adidas involved whilst our stock is so high. This is part of the next phase of strategic growth.
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Adidas do long sleeve versions, so I'm happy.
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Looking forward to this.
Hopefully Adidas will also do some decent casual Villa gear, such as a claret polo shirt with blue stripes.
Looking forward to what they come up with.
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Apparently Adidas bringing back that Trefoil logo next year.
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(https://i.ibb.co/RPd2k4P/IMG-1608.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RPd2k4P)
I imagine that all of the mocks online will be better than the final version.
Really like this one, although I doubt very much it will be anything like it.
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(https://i.ibb.co/RPd2k4P/IMG-1608.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RPd2k4P)
I imagine that all of the mocks online will be better than the final version.
Really like this one, although I doubt very much it will be anything like it.
That’s one of the smartest mock-ups I’ve seen, it’s magnificent.
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Apparently Adidas bringing back that Trefoil logo next year.
Hopefully a claret & blue version t-shirt.
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There's a podcast here that talks a bit about the tiered structure of Adidas deals with football clubs;
I believe this is the (2020) post he is referring to;
https://www.footyheadlines.com/2020/10/adidas-football-sponsorships-ranking.html (https://www.footyheadlines.com/2020/10/adidas-football-sponsorships-ranking.html)
Apparently, Newcastle's deal has them at elite level next season;
https://www.footyheadlines.com/2023/11/newcastle-united-to-adidas-elite-team.html?E1meR=SnVDw (https://www.footyheadlines.com/2023/11/newcastle-united-to-adidas-elite-team.html?E1meR=SnVDw)
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Not a fan of stripes on the body of the home shirt
Good job I brought my Adidas claret and blue trainers a few years ago.
I read elsewhere that Newcastle are being classed as an elite club by Adidas
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The deal is worth £40m a season for Jaudis. If ours is worth even half that, it's a £17m increase.
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(https://i.ibb.co/RPd2k4P/IMG-1608.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RPd2k4P)
I imagine that all of the mocks online will be better than the final version.
Really like this one, although I doubt very much it will be anything like it.
That’s one of the smartest mock-ups I’ve seen, it’s magnificent.
It looks like a bogeyes kit that's got washed with some red stuff.
Hideous.
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(https://i.ibb.co/1JV4LsQ/IMG-1607.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1JV4LsQ)
(https://i.ibb.co/RPd2k4P/IMG-1608.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RPd2k4P)
I imagine that all of the mocks online will be better than the final version.
The top one is stunning. I would have loved that.
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Let it look what ever. I’m sure whichever way we do it they’ll make it work to our benefit. A £5 billion deal has a nice ring to it.
But that's where the authorities step in and make sure the numbers are semi realistic . Or they are supposed to.
I suspect it will be very similar to the Newcastle deal. It would be difficult to justify more and equally no reason for it to be significantly less.
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I'd they're in elite because they had 1 good season, we're in the same boat and actually have NSWE own a piece of the pie.
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How do our shirt sales compare to theirs?
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Re what the Newcastle deal is worth - wouldn’t read too much into something originating from a site called ‘footyheadlines.com’.
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Are we the only West Midlands club never to have had Adidas kits before? By West Midlands I mean Blues, Albion and Wolves. Cov don’t count for me
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Apparently Adidas bringing back that Trefoil logo next year.
It's not on any of the Euros/Cops kits. Or the MLS ones for next season. It's just the same as the current one but bigger. I'd much prefer the trefoil logo.
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I suspect it will be very similar to the Newcastle deal. It would be difficult to justify more and equally no reason for it to be significantly less.
That's fair enough to an extent, but I'd imagine Newcastle sell significantly more shirts than us.
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Apparently Adidas bringing back that Trefoil logo next year.
It's not on any of the Euros/Cops kits. Or the MLS ones for next season. It's just the same as the current one but bigger. I'd much prefer the trefoil logo.
Opposite for me, I think their current logo looks more modern and 'clean'.
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How do our shirt sales compare to theirs?
I've bought two Villa shirts this season, plus a training top. Last season I bought three Villa shirts. I've not bought any Newcastle shirts, ever. So, based on my experience of football shirt buyingness we sell significantly more than they do.
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Apparently Adidas bringing back that Trefoil logo next year.
They are - but for 3rd kits only, and only for the “elite” teams, whatever that means
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I suspect it will be very similar to the Newcastle deal. It would be difficult to justify more and equally no reason for it to be significantly less.
That's fair enough to an extent, but I'd imagine Newcastle sell significantly more shirts than us.
I imagine you're right. But even so it would be difficult for the PL to question any deal that broadly matched Newcastle's (in terms of the connected parties issue)
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I suspect it will be very similar to the Newcastle deal. It would be difficult to justify more and equally no reason for it to be significantly less.
That's fair enough to an extent, but I'd imagine Newcastle sell significantly more shirts than us.
Do you think they do sell more ? They are all bare chested because they are the bestest fans when I see them !?
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I suspect it will be very similar to the Newcastle deal. It would be difficult to justify more and equally no reason for it to be significantly less.
That's fair enough to an extent, but I'd imagine Newcastle sell significantly more shirts than us.
Do you think they do sell more ? They are all bare chested because they are the bestest fans when I see them !?
Wear them when they're dressed up for a Saturday night on the toon.
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Newcastle's deal will be heavily dependent on expected future success. They see the oil money and are gambling that it will eventually result in them becoming a big club and known worldwide. Current shirt sales will be looked at, but they're not going to be a decisive factor as you would expect them to massively increase if they start winning things.
Our deal will also be based more on the future Heck and Sawiris have sold them. They've shown we have the potential to compete, they've shown the huge progress they've made in the first five and a half years here, and they will have talked to them about their plans and expectations over the next ten years.
So the deal we get will depend on how well they've convinced Adidas that we are going places.
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Are we the only West Midlands club never to have had Adidas kits before? By West Midlands I mean Blues, Albion and Wolves. Cov don’t count for me
Small Heath have had Adidas kits in the past
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Are we the only West Midlands club never to have had Adidas kits before? By West Midlands I mean Blues, Albion and Wolves. Cov don’t count for me
Small Heath have had Adidas kits in the past
Yep, as I said
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Article from earlier this year about how kit deals work. There's a table that lists shirt sales in 2022. Newcastle are almost double our sales. They shifted 467k, whereas we shifted 245k. Were we both Castore at that point too?
https://sportsjournal.io/premier-league-merchandise-revenue-data/
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Newcastle's deal will be heavily dependent on expected future success. They see the oil money and are gambling that it will eventually result in them becoming a big club and known worldwide. Current shirt sales will be looked at, but they're not going to be a decisive factor as you would expect them to massively increase if they start winning things.
Wasn't the Newcastle deal negotiated aged ago, like back in the summer when they were a top 4, Champions League side. That's a strong position to be negotiating from. Although it's obviously not where they are now.
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If you've ever been on holiday in the Med then you'll realise that we actually shift more shirts to individual customers, as apparently a Jaudi only has access to one non-barcode sports top (a long sleeved Ben Sherman) the bunch of scrufs.
They're like Albion of the far north now I think of it. Absolute fucking scurfs the lot of them.
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Newcastle's deal will be heavily dependent on expected future success. They see the oil money and are gambling that it will eventually result in them becoming a big club and known worldwide. Current shirt sales will be looked at, but they're not going to be a decisive factor as you would expect them to massively increase if they start winning things.
Wasn't the Newcastle deal negotiated aged ago, like back in the summer when they were a top 4, Champions League side. That's a strong position to be negotiating from. Although it's obviously not where they are now.
Exactly, it helps convince that the vision they are selling is going to happen.
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Newcastle's deal will be heavily dependent on expected future success. They see the oil money and are gambling that it will eventually result in them becoming a big club and known worldwide. Current shirt sales will be looked at, but they're not going to be a decisive factor as you would expect them to massively increase if they start winning things.
Wasn't the Newcastle deal negotiated aged ago, like back in the summer when they were a top 4, Champions League side. That's a strong position to be negotiating from. Although it's obviously not where they are now.
exactly why we would strike our deal now while we are in the ECL positions , add some clauses in about actually qualifying etc and bonus payments too
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noticed that man utd and another adidas kit team this season use a different badge/logo on the home and away shirts. wonder if we'll use one of our 15 different logos in the same way next year
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noticed that man utd and another adidas kit team this season use a different badge/logo on the home and away shirts. wonder if we'll use one of our 15 different logos in the same way next year
Read something about Adidas elite clubs having the very old logo this season on their third kit.
They're going to fucking love us, with our yes-that-one-no-hang-on-a-bit-this-one-but-only-on-tuesdays approach to badges.
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noticed that man utd and another adidas kit team this season use a different badge/logo on the home and away shirts. wonder if we'll use one of our 15 different logos in the same way next year
Our 92-93 home and away kits had different badges on them
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I noticed on the articles about Adidas' football deals, that the teams higher up the pecking order get more product lines and custom gear.
Is this part of the reason Chris Heck talked of seeing our club shop double in size?
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noticed that man utd and another adidas kit team this season use a different badge/logo on the home and away shirts. wonder if we'll use one of our 15 different logos in the same way next year
Man U's white shirt this season was an anniversary of the introduction of the Red Devil logo, or something like that, so they have it instead of their crest on it.
Roma have 2 versions of their logo on their kits, the home one is just the wolf head, the away has it on a white background with red/gold trim. I'd imagine we might do something like that depending on the colours of our away/3rd kits.
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I'd actually buy Villa tat with Adidas.
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I'd actually buy Villa tat with Adidas.
Yep. If they produce stuff with just the lion and maybe 1874 then I'll probably be buying it too.
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I'm hoping for a 70s retro style zip hoodie. Had a red Czecholosvakian one back in t'day. A claret Villa version would be noice.
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Scotland 150th Anniversary
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Japan 100th Anniversary
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Juventus 120th Anniversary
(https://www.sportingplus.net/9839-thickbox_default/juventus-fc-collector-s-120th-anniversary-shirt-2017-adidas.jpg)
Bayern Munich 120th Anniversary
(https://www.soccerbible.com/media/107900/top-bayern-120-years-shirt.jpg)
Keeping my fingers crossed that this might be the first new Villa shirt I've bought myself since the Nike ones :). Hopefully they'll not have that Burger King logo on the front.
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I still play 6 aside in the 07-08 Nike Villa kit. I'll buy a new one.
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Keeping my fingers crossed that this might be the first new Villa shirt I've bought myself since the Nike ones :). Hopefully they'll not have that Burger King logo on the front.
Same here, the only shirt I've bought since Nike was the Kappa white and claret '40th anniversary' shirt.
I wouldn't mind at all if we had the home shirt and a 150th Anniversary shirt (similar to the Scotland one above). Round badge obviously.
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All those anniversary kits have no sponsor on the front......
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That Japan badge is a bit basic, they could have put more effort in, it's just a red circle...
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Guessing we'll play 1 game in a special kit next season, a but like Man United did with their Munich Disaster homage.
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Scotland 150th Anniversary
(https://www.footballkitnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/New-Scotland-Football-150th-Anniversary-Shirt-2023.jpg)
Can we pinch the Scotland badge?
Would be perfect
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It was our badge briefly in the past, but if we wanted to associate ourself with perpetual football failure, it would be easier to have a set of bollocks for a badge like Lee suggested.
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I like that Scotland kit a lot, be nice if the collar matched the cuffs, to coin a phrase.
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Anyone else receive the email today from Villa? 50% off Catsore kits. Looks like the fire sale has started early this year
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Anyone else receive the email today from Villa? 50% off Catsore kits. Looks like the fire sale has started early this year
wait til there £8 on kitbag
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I like that Scotland kit a lot, be nice if the collar matched the cuffs, to coin a phrase.
Doesn't bother me normally, but yes, that Scotland kit would look better with all-white cuffs that match the collar.
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Guessing we'll play 1 game in a special kit next season, a but like Man United did with their Munich Disaster homage.
This is most likely. There'll be a normal home kit, probably with that 150 logo thing on it somewhere, and then we'll play a one off game in a retro style anniversary kit. That's how most clubs have done it lately.
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Japan 100th Anniversary
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZY_Qt7-fizs/YLoIYZw9RbI/AAAAAAADD7Y/pz9JzpV7wo8VyIEqkaBUUMgiTtrF8AkWwCNcBGAsYHQ/s1600/jfa%2B%25281%2529.jpg)
Belgium have something similar to this for their away kit at the Euros. It's a Tintin tribute, so it looks like his little blue jumper with the white shirt colar sticking out at the neck. I quite like it, and with a small tweek in the shade of blue, it would make a nice away kit for us.
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That Japan badge is a bit basic, they could have put more effort in, it's just a red circle...
Imagine the uproar if they changed it to a little red shield, though! Or worse still, a little red lamppost.
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I'd they're in elite because they had 1 good season, we're in the same boat and actually have NSWE own a piece of the pie.
yeah and a champs league team next season which they are not
*believe*
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That Japan badge is a bit basic, they could have put more effort in, it's just a red circle...
Did you know the flag of Japan is actually pie chart showing how much of Japan, is Japan?
(I can't remember whose joke this is, sorry).
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Guessing we'll play 1 game in a special kit next season, a but like Man United did with their Munich Disaster homage.
This is most likely. There'll be a normal home kit, probably with that 150 logo thing on it somewhere, and then we'll play a one off game in a retro style anniversary kit. That's how most clubs have done it lately.
If we do go for a one-off kit, do the black one with the massive lion on the front. The red lion though, not the sweaties badge.
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Guessing we'll play 1 game in a special kit next season, a but like Man United did with their Munich Disaster homage.
This is most likely. There'll be a normal home kit, probably with that 150 logo thing on it somewhere, and then we'll play a one off game in a retro style anniversary kit. That's how most clubs have done it lately.
If we do go for a one-off kit, do the black one with the massive lion on the front. The red lion though, not the sweaties badge.
I still think we should try and get Peugeot to sponsor us so we can have 2 lions all the time.
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Apparently Adidas bringing back that Trefoil logo next year.
Oh, that would be amazing.
Such a fantastic piece of design... 👌
Juventus 120th Anniversary
(https://www.sportingplus.net/9839-thickbox_default/juventus-fc-collector-s-120th-anniversary-shirt-2017-adidas.jpg)
Why do Juve have the Pantofola d'Oro logo on it? 🤨😂
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I guess this is what attracts the bigger sponsors - being a Champs league team and the exposure it gives their brand
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Guessing we'll play 1 game in a special kit next season, a but like Man United did with their Munich Disaster homage.
This is most likely. There'll be a normal home kit, probably with that 150 logo thing on it somewhere, and then we'll play a one off game in a retro style anniversary kit. That's how most clubs have done it lately.
If we do go for a one-off kit, do the black one with the massive lion on the front. The red lion though, not the sweaties badge.
I still think we should try and get Peugeot to sponsor us so we can have 2 lions all the time.
Good call.
We should knick their new badge as well, pisses over our effort.
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Guessing we'll play 1 game in a special kit next season, a but like Man United did with their Munich Disaster homage.
This is most likely. There'll be a normal home kit, probably with that 150 logo thing on it somewhere, and then we'll play a one off game in a retro style anniversary kit. That's how most clubs have done it lately.
If we do go for a one-off kit, do the black one with the massive lion on the front. The red lion though, not the sweaties badge.
I still think we should try and get Peugeot to sponsor us so we can have 2 lions all the time.
Good call.
We should knick their new badge as well, pisses over our effort.
Hmmm, how about Singha Beer or MGM?
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I still think we should try and get Peugeot to sponsor us so we can have 2 lions all the time.
Good call.
We should knick their new badge as well, pisses over our effort.
When all this rebranding started, I expected, not that I wanted, something just like that. Instead we went with their 1970 - 1975 badge here. (https://1000logos.net/peugeot-logo/)
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I still think we should try and get Peugeot to sponsor us so we can have 2 lions all the time.
Good call.
We should knick their new badge as well, pisses over our effort.
When all this rebranding started, I expected, not that I wanted, something just like that. Instead we went with their 1970 - 1975 badge here. (https://1000logos.net/peugeot-logo/)
They turned their lion around in the early 20th century too.
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Just read an article from last year about Adidas kit deals. It suggests the following values;
Real Madrid - £94m / year (2019)
Man United - £75m / year (2015)
Bayern Munich - £43m / year (2015)
Juventus - £35m / year (2018)
https://topsoccerblog.com/soccer-teams-sponsored-by-adidas/#:~:text=Adidas%20has%20a%20pyramid%20of%20football%20sponsorship%20with,that%20involves%20Ajax%2C%20Besiktas%2C%20River%20Plate%2C%20and%20Flamengo. (https://topsoccerblog.com/soccer-teams-sponsored-by-adidas/#:~:text=Adidas%20has%20a%20pyramid%20of%20football%20sponsorship%20with,that%20involves%20Ajax%2C%20Besiktas%2C%20River%20Plate%2C%20and%20Flamengo.)
Interesting how low the Bayern and Juv deals are considering Newcastle are reportedly getting £40m a year. But then these deals were done a while ago and you'd argue would be higher if they renewed now.
Adidas seem to favour long-term deals, often ten-years, so will be interesting how long ours is.
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Man Utd renewed their deal with Adidas last year. £900mil over 10 years. But, there are stipulations, apparently, with something like 30% less if they have 2 consecutive years out of the Champions League.
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I've seen people talk about Blues previously having Adidas and so it can't be too much of a coup for us to get a deal with them.
But if we look at their current deal with Nike, it shows the different levels of kit supply. Blues' Nike deal is actually with a company called Just Sport Group. Just Sport are a Nike partner and they source plain kits from Nike (as well as manufacturing some of their own items) and apply the badges and sponsorship to them.
In Blues' case they also run their club shop and also apparently don't believe in SSL certificates.
http://justsport-group.com/our-services/ (http://justsport-group.com/our-services/)
So this is a very different deal to clubs who do deals directly with the manufacturer. They're basically adding their logo to off-the-shelf kits and selling them on with a mark-up, or letting Just Sport sell them on with a mark up while the club take a per unit royalty.
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I still think we should try and get Peugeot to sponsor us so we can have 2 lions all the time.
Good call.
We should knick their new badge as well, pisses over our effort.
When all this rebranding started, I expected, not that I wanted, something just like that. Instead we went with their 1970 - 1975 badge here. (https://1000logos.net/peugeot-logo/)
They turned their lion around in the early 20th century too.
Re-configuring a logo/brand incorporating a Lion just means turning it around doesn't it? Making it look a bit more/less fierce/hard/cool is optional. Easy job.
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Interesting how low the Bayern and Juv deals are considering Newcastle are reportedly getting £40m a year. But then these deals were done a while ago and you'd argue would be higher if they renewed now.
It's understandable Newcastle receiving more money, they're a shirt sellers dream as pretty much all their fans no matter the age only own one shirt, a Newcastle shirt and wear it every day.
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Guessing we'll play 1 game in a special kit next season, a but like Man United did with their Munich Disaster homage.
This is most likely. There'll be a normal home kit, probably with that 150 logo thing on it somewhere, and then we'll play a one off game in a retro style anniversary kit. That's how most clubs have done it lately.
If we do go for a one-off kit, do the black one with the massive lion on the front. The red lion though, not the sweaties badge.
Great idea Lee.
It would certainly take the eye!
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I still think we should try and get Peugeot to sponsor us so we can have 2 lions all the time.
Good call.
We should knick their new badge as well, pisses over our effort.
When all this rebranding started, I expected, not that I wanted, something just like that. Instead we went with their 1970 - 1975 badge here. (https://1000logos.net/peugeot-logo/)
there's 4 in a row from 1975-2010 that are closer to the sort of thing I'd like. A very simple line art style lion (I know the last 2 filled it in and added shading but it's fundamentally the same shape) that hits both key things for me:
1. it's a lion rampant
2. it's unique to be obviously peugeot, even if you remove the text
I really wanted either of these reviews to lead to something like that and I find it a bit sad that neither has even tried.
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Guessing we'll play 1 game in a special kit next season, a but like Man United did with their Munich Disaster homage.
This is most likely. There'll be a normal home kit, probably with that 150 logo thing on it somewhere, and then we'll play a one off game in a retro style anniversary kit. That's how most clubs have done it lately.
If we do go for a one-off kit, do the black one with the massive lion on the front. The red lion though, not the sweaties badge.
Great idea Lee.
It would certainly take the eye!
I'd be up for that. The nearest we got to a big Lion on the shirt was the away yellow one, 1990? which had a big ghosted Lion/badge across the front. A Black shirt with just a big Lion in Red would be the dogs...
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(https://gearlaunch-prod-imgix-secure.imgix.net/img/product/UnisexCrew_FRONT_46be88da32.png?fit=clamp&bg=262626&mark64=L2UwMjUwZDM0LWFiMWMtNGZjZC05MzY0LTBkNjhiNTA1Zjc4Ng&markw=190&markx=149&marky=67&w=480&fm=jpg&q=75&ixlib=java-1.1.0&s=ae4a5695ebb3f6562b5a6a94be1cd6d2)
He's a bit more orange than red, but I'm sure our crack team of designers could fix that.
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I've seen people talk about Blues previously having Adidas and so it can't be too much of a coup for us to get a deal with them.
Adidas makes sports kits so they will supply to anyone who asks, so that’s not a coup. The coup is the amount of money they will pay you to wear their logo on your kit.
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(https://gearlaunch-prod-imgix-secure.imgix.net/img/product/UnisexCrew_FRONT_46be88da32.png?fit=clamp&bg=262626&mark64=L2UwMjUwZDM0LWFiMWMtNGZjZC05MzY0LTBkNjhiNTA1Zjc4Ng&markw=190&markx=149&marky=67&w=480&fm=jpg&q=75&ixlib=java-1.1.0&s=ae4a5695ebb3f6562b5a6a94be1cd6d2)
He's a bit more orange than red, but I'm sure our crack team of designers could fix that.
The Winner, hands down!!!
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I've seen people talk about Blues previously having Adidas and so it can't be too much of a coup for us to get a deal with them.
Adidas makes sports kits so they will supply to anyone who asks, so that’s not a coup. The coup is the amount of money they will pay you to wear their logo on your kit.
Yeah, that article Dogtanian posted actually states that. There's teams at different levels of deals, and then there's teams that don't actually have a deal with Adidas, they just wear their gear. Presumably those clubs are paying for it themselves, and are wearing the very basic template stuff.
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Bit off topic but there are 18 different shirt manufacturers providing the kits for the 24 teams in this year’s AFCON tournament.
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I still think we should try and get Peugeot to sponsor us so we can have 2 lions all the time.
Good call.
We should knick their new badge as well, pisses over our effort.
When all this rebranding started, I expected, not that I wanted, something just like that. Instead we went with their 1970 - 1975 badge here. (https://1000logos.net/peugeot-logo/)
They turned their lion around in the early 20th century too.
African Lion Reverser.
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I still think we should try and get Peugeot to sponsor us so we can have 2 lions all the time.
Good call.
We should knick their new badge as well, pisses over our effort.
When all this rebranding started, I expected, not that I wanted, something just like that. Instead we went with their 1970 - 1975 badge here. (https://1000logos.net/peugeot-logo/)
Heck has a strong family heritage designing shit lion logos it seems.
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I can't wait to see the full Adidas range when it's released they do some nice training and leisurewear.
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I know people get a bit sick of concept kists, but just look at this...
(https://i.ibb.co/QDvbbX3/GDg0-FV5-W8-AAh-Vbi.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QDvbbX3)
(https://i.ibb.co/Sfx4wgB/GDg0-Fl-CWg-AA6y-Fe.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Sfx4wgB)
(https://i.ibb.co/x8JnPs9/GDg0-F17-Xk-AAFfap.jpg) (https://ibb.co/x8JnPs9)
(https://i.ibb.co/pf0KNnb/GDg0-GDEXg-AAy6-QM.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pf0KNnb)
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I always like a black kit. Makes us look mean.
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(https://i.ibb.co/4YNjGmT/shirt.png) (https://ibb.co/4YNjGmT)
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Fuck me, no wonder we are teetering on the brink of recession. Every bloke and his dog have abandoned work and are knocking up kit replicas on the internet.
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I know people get a bit sick of concept kists, but just look at this...
(https://i.ibb.co/QDvbbX3/GDg0-FV5-W8-AAh-Vbi.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QDvbbX3)
(https://i.ibb.co/Sfx4wgB/GDg0-Fl-CWg-AA6y-Fe.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Sfx4wgB)
(https://i.ibb.co/x8JnPs9/GDg0-F17-Xk-AAFfap.jpg) (https://ibb.co/x8JnPs9)
(https://i.ibb.co/pf0KNnb/GDg0-GDEXg-AAy6-QM.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pf0KNnb)
That is an absolute thing of beauty...
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Fuck me, no wonder we are teetering on the brink of recession. Every bloke and his dog have abandoned work and are knocking up kit replicas on the internet.
Well, oh, they might design wear classic Reeboks
Or knackered Converse
Or tracky bottoms tucked in socks
But all of that's what the point is not
The point's that there ain't no romance around there
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(https://i.ibb.co/4YNjGmT/shirt.png) (https://ibb.co/4YNjGmT)
Just no.
I like a black away kit too but I'd do without the background pattern and keep it plain.
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(https://i.ibb.co/Sfx4wgB/GDg0-Fl-CWg-AA6y-Fe.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Sfx4wgB)
I haven’t bought a replica shirt for years, but I’d certainly consider that or at least a training kit/casual wear version. It would also work very well in a home kit version…claret with blue sleeves (adidas stripes would be a different shade of claret on the shoulders), and with blue and white piping around the collar and sleeves…would be a thing of beauty.
Side note: not sure why the mock-up designer used the lion facing the “wrong” way.
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I know people get a bit sick of concept kists, but just look at this...
(https://i.ibb.co/QDvbbX3/GDg0-FV5-W8-AAh-Vbi.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QDvbbX3)
(https://i.ibb.co/Sfx4wgB/GDg0-Fl-CWg-AA6y-Fe.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Sfx4wgB)
(https://i.ibb.co/x8JnPs9/GDg0-F17-Xk-AAFfap.jpg) (https://ibb.co/x8JnPs9)
(https://i.ibb.co/pf0KNnb/GDg0-GDEXg-AAy6-QM.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pf0KNnb)
That is an absolute thing of beauty...
I would definitely buy that!
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I’ve been buying branded claret polo shirts and hoodies rather than official Villa merchandise for years now, but if they released a claret polo shirt version of that (without the sponsor) then the only issue they’d have would be supply and demand as it would literally fly off the shelves.
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Literally? Hope the club shop upgrades its security then lest a load of replica shirts take flight.
*wink*
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Literally? Hope the club shop upgrades its security then lest a load of replica shirts take flight.
*wink*
8)
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(https://i.ibb.co/Sfx4wgB/GDg0-Fl-CWg-AA6y-Fe.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Sfx4wgB)
I haven’t bought a replica shirt for years, but I’d certainly consider that or at least a training kit/casual wear version. It would also work very well in a home kit version…claret with blue sleeves (adidas stripes would be a different shade of claret on the shoulders), and with blue and white piping around the collar and sleeves…would be a thing of beauty.
Side note: not sure why the mock-up designer used the lion facing the “wrong” way.
They did a home one too:
(https://i.ibb.co/5BGXMJf/GDgz-wq-WIAAXOif.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5BGXMJf)
(https://i.ibb.co/BV9dh70/GDgz-KSXMAE-r-Yj.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BV9dh70)
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that is sexy as hell. Get rid of that shit BK8 and it would be even better.
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Thanks chrisw1. I prefer their black version but I think most of us would be happy with a home kit similar to that.
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(https://i.ibb.co/Sfx4wgB/GDg0-Fl-CWg-AA6y-Fe.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Sfx4wgB)
I haven’t bought a replica shirt for years, but I’d certainly consider that or at least a training kit/casual wear version. It would also work very well in a home kit version…claret with blue sleeves (adidas stripes would be a different shade of claret on the shoulders), and with blue and white piping around the collar and sleeves…would be a thing of beauty.
Side note: not sure why the mock-up designer used the lion facing the “wrong” way.
They did a home one too:
(https://i.ibb.co/5BGXMJf/GDgz-wq-WIAAXOif.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5BGXMJf)
(https://i.ibb.co/BV9dh70/GDgz-KSXMAE-r-Yj.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BV9dh70)
Someone pass me the tissues....wowser
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I know people get a bit sick of concept kists, but just look at this...
(https://i.ibb.co/QDvbbX3/GDg0-FV5-W8-AAh-Vbi.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QDvbbX3)
(https://i.ibb.co/Sfx4wgB/GDg0-Fl-CWg-AA6y-Fe.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Sfx4wgB)
(https://i.ibb.co/x8JnPs9/GDg0-F17-Xk-AAFfap.jpg) (https://ibb.co/x8JnPs9)
(https://i.ibb.co/pf0KNnb/GDg0-GDEXg-AAy6-QM.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pf0KNnb)
The star with 1874 beneath it should go where the AVFC is on the back of the shirt in the third pic down IMO.
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Yeah, both of those are magic...
Although, a small thing, I would just have the adidas stripes in blue & remove that blue bar across the shoulders...
Small, picky issue, granted, bit still, both of those kits are beautiful.
Even with the shit sponsorship, lol.
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I know it's not traditional but I like when we wear claret shorts with the home shirt and socks.
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Although, a small thing, I would just have the adidas stripes in blue & remove that blue bar across the shoulders...
Small, picky issue, granted, bit still, both of those kits are beautiful.
Again very much nit-picking, but wouldn’t the blue shoulder bar being replaced with the same claret as the shirt, and use a different shade of claret for the adidas stripes would work better as per the black design? This would keep the kit traditional full body claret with blue sleeves whilst retaining adidas branding. Gold logos (as per black version) might also work better than the blue on the claret background.
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I know it's not traditional but I like when we wear claret shorts with the home shirt and socks.
I really like white shirts, light blue shorts and white socks as our away kit. Think the light blue shirts look good with the home shirt as well. Have claret shorts and socks as an option as well.
Keep the more 'different' colours and designs for the third kit.
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I like the fulham shirt this season.
Would look better in claret & blue. Maybe yellow stripes on the one arm, blue on the other?
(https://cdn1.uksoccershop.com/images/cache/re_1690212914_fulham-23-24-home-football-shirt-475x475.webp)
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That's a template kit.
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I think the Fulham one is a bit piss poor. Very boring and the different colour stripes on the shoulders look rubbish.
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That's a template kit.
Are we getting a one off design then? That would be cool
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I think the Fulham one is a bit piss poor. Very boring and the different colour stripes on the shoulders look rubbish.
I think it's a very good template but wouldn't be good enough if it was custom kit.
Of their custom stuff I really like the Bayern CL kit - https://fcbayern.com/store/en-aa/p/champions-league-jersey-23-24-28550?adword=google%2FEN%2F02_EN_Shopping_Trikots_Herren
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That's a template kit.
Are we getting a one off design then? That would be cool
It depends what category they've put us in. As I understand it, you have to be elite or B category to get custom stuff.
As we have our 150th year next season and they seem keen to celebrate that with a special kit, either for all season or a one off, you'd think this means they are doing custom shirts for us.
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That's a template kit.
Are we getting a one off design then? That would be cool
It depends what category they've put us in. As I understand it, you have to be elite or B category to get custom stuff.
As we have our 150th year next season and they seem keen to celebrate that with a special kit, either for all season or a one off, you'd think this means they are doing custom shirts for us.
Nice. Can only imagine the price that'll be in the club shop :o
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I quite like this one, and have been trying to imagine how it would work with claret and blue.
https://www.uksoccershop.com/p-210565/2021-2022-ajax-away-shirt.html?currency=GBP&gcountry=UK&ovId=2645&msclkid=c38bfda6a7ce1ce16b349806aadd35f9&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Finch%3A%20P-Max%20Print%2FPersonalised%20%7C%20UK&utm_term=4575480221892210&utm_content=All%20print (https://www.uksoccershop.com/p-210565/2021-2022-ajax-away-shirt.html?currency=GBP&gcountry=UK&ovId=2645&msclkid=c38bfda6a7ce1ce16b349806aadd35f9&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Finch%3A%20P-Max%20Print%2FPersonalised%20%7C%20UK&utm_term=4575480221892210&utm_content=All%20print)
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We'll definitely get a one-off custom design for at least 1 kit as part of the anniversary and as a premier league club that is in Europe this season and likely to be in Europe next I suspect we'd be considered at least b category even without anything else. Add Nas into the mix and I'd be amazed if that isn't the case.
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If Newcastle are elite, we will be.
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I'd hope so, but I don't think Leicester got into the B category, and they won things. :-\
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I quite like this one, and have been trying to imagine how it would work with claret and blue.
https://www.uksoccershop.com/p-210565/2021-2022-ajax-away-shirt.html?currency=GBP&gcountry=UK&ovId=2645&msclkid=c38bfda6a7ce1ce16b349806aadd35f9&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Finch%3A%20P-Max%20Print%2FPersonalised%20%7C%20UK&utm_term=4575480221892210&utm_content=All%20print (https://www.uksoccershop.com/p-210565/2021-2022-ajax-away-shirt.html?currency=GBP&gcountry=UK&ovId=2645&msclkid=c38bfda6a7ce1ce16b349806aadd35f9&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Finch%3A%20P-Max%20Print%2FPersonalised%20%7C%20UK&utm_term=4575480221892210&utm_content=All%20print)
I don't think that would work as the home kit but as an away with white and ivory stripes and then a 'feature' colour in place of the light blue piping I think you'd have something pretty stunning.
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If Newcastle are elite, we will be.
Not necessarily. They negotiated their deal last summer, when they were top 4 and in the CL. We've negotiated ours from Conference League and nothing else guaranteed. They also sell twice as many jerseys as us.
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I'd hope so, but I don't think Leicester got into the B category, and they won things. :-\
but didn't have their owner as a major shareholder at Adidas and weren't going into a anniversary year where they'll expect a huge uptick in merch sales.
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Although, a small thing, I would just have the adidas stripes in blue & remove that blue bar across the shoulders...
Small, picky issue, granted, bit still, both of those kits are beautiful.
Again very much nit-picking, but wouldn’t the blue shoulder bar being replaced with the same claret as the shirt, and use a different shade of claret for the adidas stripes would work better as per the black design? This would keep the kit traditional full body claret with blue sleeves whilst retaining adidas branding. Gold logos (as per black version) might also work better than the blue on the claret background.
Yeah, I think that would look decent too.
Or gold, as its our 150th year?
I know it's not traditional but I like when we wear claret shorts with the home shirt and socks.
Me too.
I think the Fulham one is a bit piss poor. Very boring and the different colour stripes on the shoulders look rubbish.
Im not a fan of the different coloured adidas stripes, but I have always been a bit of a sucker for a white shirt with black sleeves.
Same with yellow shirt & black sleeves.
Reminds me of the days I used to do career modes on sensible world of soccer with Derby County or Borussia Dortmund, lol...
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My mate had Sensible Soccer on his Megadrive at uni, and they subtley changed the names of the players. Paul Ince became P.Once, which was nice.
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My mate had Sensible Soccer on his Megadrive at uni, and they subtley changed the names of the players. Paul Ince became P.Once, which was nice.
Wonder what they'd have done if his name were Neil.
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It's Football Insider, so take it with a shovel of salt, but they're saying the Adidas deal is worth 3 times the Castore one. The Castore one was only about 4mil a season, so that would put the Adidas one at 12mil a season. If true that's an improvement but it doesn't scream "elite" club to me.
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It's Football Insider, so they won't have the smallest inkling of what the deal's worth.
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My mate had Sensible Soccer on his Megadrive at uni, and they subtley changed the names of the players. Paul Ince became P.Once, which was nice.
I had mine on Amiga. I was a demon with that curl... 😂
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My mate had Sensible Soccer on his Megadrive at uni, and they subtley changed the names of the players. Paul Ince became P.Once, which was nice.
I had mine on Amiga. I was a demon with that curl... 😂
Yep same here. Huge lob with curl, straight from kick off, rarely failed. I'm convinced that game took two grades off our degrees for everybody in our student house.
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My mate had Sensible Soccer on his Megadrive at uni, and they subtley changed the names of the players. Paul Ince became P.Once, which was nice.
I had mine on Amiga. I was a demon with that curl... 😂
Yep same here. Huge lob with curl, straight from kick off, rarely failed. I'm convinced that game took two grades off our degrees for everybody in our student house.
GCSE's for me, lol.
My favourite couple of moves were just outside the centre circle on the right hand side of the pitch, lob, curl to the right & top bins.
Or, out on the wing, a curling cross away from the keeper & you could either diving header or slide tackle it into the bottom corner of the goal...
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My mate had Sensible Soccer on his Megadrive at uni, and they subtley changed the names of the players. Paul Ince became P.Once, which was nice.
I had mine on Amiga. I was a demon with that curl... 😂
Yep same here. Huge lob with curl, straight from kick off, rarely failed. I'm convinced that game took two grades off our degrees for everybody in our student house.
GCSE's for me, lol.
My favourite couple of moves were just outside the centre circle on the right hand side of the pitch, lob, curl to the right & top bins.
Or, out on the wing, a curling cross away from the keeper & you could either diving header or slide tackle it into the bottom corner of the goal...
The big lob was good but the other trick was to play a diamond midfield and have the quickest player in the team at the tip of the diamond, the AI had no idea how to handle him and he'd score a hatful. On Sensible World of Soccer I turned that into a goldmine, generate youth players until you got one that worked, use him for a while and then sell him for big money as soon as you had the next one ready. After a few years you were basically a full on Man City.
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My mate had Sensible Soccer on his Megadrive at uni, and they subtley changed the names of the players. Paul Ince became P.Once, which was nice.
I had mine on Amiga. I was a demon with that curl... 😂
Yep same here. Huge lob with curl, straight from kick off, rarely failed. I'm convinced that game took two grades off our degrees for everybody in our student house.
GCSE's for me, lol.
My favourite couple of moves were just outside the centre circle on the right hand side of the pitch, lob, curl to the right & top bins.
Or, out on the wing, a curling cross away from the keeper & you could either diving header or slide tackle it into the bottom corner of the goal...
The big lob was good but the other trick was to play a diamond midfield and have the quickest player in the team at the tip of the diamond, the AI had no idea how to handle him and he'd score a hatful. On Sensible World of Soccer I turned that into a goldmine, generate youth players until you got one that worked, use him for a while and then sell him for big money as soon as you had the next one ready. After a few years you were basically a full on Man City.
I never got the hang of the youth players in sensible.
They were always really shit in my career modes.
I was clearly doing something wrong, lol.
I always tended to pick up players with S & C in their ability labels all across the pitch.
I loved that game...
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I never got the hang of the youth players in sensible.
They were always really shit in my career modes.
I was clearly doing something wrong, lol.
I always tended to pick up players with S & C in their ability labels all across the pitch.
I loved that game...
The player development was based on successful touches so to turn a youth player into a first teamer you just had to take a few games where you scored a goal or 2 early on and then spend the rest of the match passing the ball to and from the kid. As the player stats were based on their value they'd quickly become as good as your first teamers if you got it right.
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(https://i.ibb.co/zxcKwsC/IMG-1619.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zxcKwsC)
(https://i.ibb.co/0j31FWM/IMG-1620.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0j31FWM)
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If Newcastle are elite, we will be.
Not necessarily. They negotiated their deal last summer, when they were top 4 and in the CL. We've negotiated ours from Conference League and nothing else guaranteed. They also sell twice as many jerseys as us.
Part of the problem with an Adidas deal is that it can be benchmarked directly with Newcastle. Would Heck and our commercial team want to put their names to a deal significantly worse than that secured by Newcastle when we're currently sitting second in the league and one of our owners is a shareholder?
I think tacitly acknowledging that we are miles behind Newcastle in the hierarchy would be nuts and you'd think if we couldn't get close to parity with them we would have gone elsewhere?
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I would think what Newcastle are getting is irrelevant to our negotiating. Obviously I've never had to negotiate something like this, but what would seem important is getting something better than what we have. There's usually clauses with these deals anyway, so it's entirely possible we've got a 12mil a year deal that raises to 20mil if we qualify for CL, and then based off the first full season of sales, it goes up another bit if we shift a certain amount. Likewise Newcastle's deal could be lowered if they don't make CL this season.
Also, not to put on my tinfoil hat, but Adidas have just announced some big sponsorship deal with the Saudi Pro League, so who knows what kind of agreement Newcastle's owners actually negotiated there.
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I never got the hang of the youth players in sensible.
They were always really shit in my career modes.
I was clearly doing something wrong, lol.
I always tended to pick up players with S & C in their ability labels all across the pitch.
I loved that game...
The player development was based on successful touches so to turn a youth player into a first teamer you just had to take a few games where you scored a goal or 2 early on and then spend the rest of the match passing the ball to and from the kid. As the player stats were based on their value they'd quickly become as good as your first teamers if you got it right.
I played that game to death, every year it was out, including magazine cover discs that replaced the football with bananas or bombs & I never knew that, lol...
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The deal will be structured based on Europe competition and different trigger values
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Like both of those, but, as someone else mentioned, collar and cuffs need to match
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I have to agree. I dated a blonde girl once - well I thought she was blonde, until...
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I have to agree. I dated a blonde girl once - well I thought she was blonde, until...
Until there was no evidence down south so you had to look at her toes?
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I wonder if we do get into the champions league for next season it will give us an opportunity to change shirt sponsors.
The BK8 deal runs until 2025-26 and was the biggest offer we could get at the time. I'm hoping that there might be other deals on table that would now offer better terms if we could negotiate an early release from the gambling company.
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Our deal runs until the gambling firms are banned as sponsors. I'm not sure they'd be too open to ending the last deals they have early, or at least not cheaply. We'd have to get something really big that would cover whatever losses we'd incur from ending the BK8 one.
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Our deal runs until the gambling firms are banned as sponsors. I'm not sure they'd be too open to ending the last deals they have early, or at least not cheaply. We'd have to get something really big that would cover whatever losses we'd incur from ending the BK8 one.
You'd say the same about the Castore deal, but they were open to it.
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Our deal runs until the gambling firms are banned as sponsors. I'm not sure they'd be too open to ending the last deals they have early, or at least not cheaply. We'd have to get something really big that would cover whatever losses we'd incur from ending the BK8 one.
You'd say the same about the Castore deal, but they were open to it.
We don't know what terms that was done on though. I suspect it might have been breach of contract because of the dodgy sweaty kits. Even if we only threatened it, they probably didn't fancy any more bad publicity.
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Our deal runs until the gambling firms are banned as sponsors. I'm not sure they'd be too open to ending the last deals they have early, or at least not cheaply. We'd have to get something really big that would cover whatever losses we'd incur from ending the BK8 one.
You'd say the same about the Castore deal, but they were open to it.
It's not really the same though. Castore still have Wolves, and Everton are switching to them next season. Along with whatever other teams they have outside the Premier League. The gambling firms are banned from 2025 or whenever it is. They're in the last days of having such high profile deals. You'd think they'd be less happy to end the ones they have left. But who knows.
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Our deal runs until the gambling firms are banned as sponsors. I'm not sure they'd be too open to ending the last deals they have early, or at least not cheaply. We'd have to get something really big that would cover whatever losses we'd incur from ending the BK8 one.
You'd say the same about the Castore deal, but they were open to it.
We don't know what terms that was done on though. I suspect it might have been breach of contract because of the dodgy sweaty kits. Even if we only threatened it, they probably didn't fancy any more bad publicity.
Potentially.
But I suspect that there will be potential sponsors out there who will pay more than BK8 for Champions League sponsorship, and it's Chris Heck's remit to partner us with big brands. This is a good opportunity and I expect it will be explored to see if it's possible.
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Just found this on my Google feed:
https://www.footyheadlines.com/2024/01/adidas-aston-villa-24-25-concept-kits.html
Pretty nice mock-up kits.
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No offence KRS, but those mock-ups are dreadful.
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Especially that bronze effort.
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No offence KRS, but those mock-ups are dreadful.
No offence taken…I didn’t design them! 😂
I’d be happy with the home kit and imagine that could be very similar to what we’ll be wearing next season (they’ve got the shoulders and adidas stripes right for a start even if I’d prefer they were just a different shade of claret).
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Don't mind the white striped one, but the gold crest looks rubbish, I think.
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That brown one is like the old Talbot era Coventry one. Hideous, in other words.
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That brown one is like the old Talbot era Coventry one. Hideous, in other words.
I was nearly sick in my mouth when I saw that one tbh…looks like something Bradford or Motherwell would wear. Apparently the design is based off the Villa Park architecture:
“Mac Johnson's Adidas Aston Villa 150th anniversary kit concept is probably the most interesting. It features a unique color scheme inspired by their home ground, Villa Park. It is predominantly brown with the distinctive brick graphics of Villa Park.”
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If we're having a one off anniversary shirt that isn't the standard claret body with blue sleeves, it should look like one of the very first kits, even if that mean horizontal stripes, black and white stripes, or plain black with a massive red lion in the middle.
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new shirt of Brazilian Série B side Operário.
(https://i.ibb.co/tHWBFyn/IMG-1731.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tHWBFyn)
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new shirt of Brazilian Série B side Operário.
(https://i.ibb.co/tHWBFyn/IMG-1731.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tHWBFyn)
That is busy and bit F1
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I don't think they've got enough shirt sponsors.
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new shirt of Brazilian Série B side Operário.
(https://i.ibb.co/tHWBFyn/IMG-1731.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tHWBFyn)
That is busy and bit F1
Jesus that is awful - and i agree alkin to the advertising wet dream that is formula one.
Have you seen the M<an city moving advertising board - makes me feel ill as if i was seasick
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ix0fvgqTgK4?t=43&feature=share
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Could live with this as our shirt next season. With the current round badge it would be close to perfect.
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Should be cherry coke with claret.
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Could live with this as our shirt next season. With the current round badge it would be close to perfect.
That new badge looks terrible on that.
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That new badge looks terrible on that.
It really does. I thought I was warming (very slightly) towards it, but the spacing is just horrendous.
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It is bad. We're stuck with it now.
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On Soccernet they have the new MLS kits for the season. I didn't realise that every one of the teams in the league have Adidas kits.
Some good kits on there.
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Could live with this as our shirt next season. With the current round badge it would be close to perfect.
I like that alot. I just hope villa fans are not gonna start moaning that we are promoting sugary drinks. We all know cokes not good for you but you have thw choice not to drink it.
Gambling understandable and im board with the protests on that
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Could live with this as our shirt next season. With the current round badge it would be close to perfect.
I like that alot. I just hope villa fans are not gonna start moaning that we are promoting sugary drinks. We all know cokes not good for you but you have thw choice not to drink it.
Gambling understandable and im board with the protests on that
Why is that then? We all have the choice not to gamble, too.
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Could live with this as our shirt next season. With the current round badge it would be close to perfect.
I like that alot. I just hope villa fans are not gonna start moaning that we are promoting sugary drinks. We all know cokes not good for you but you have thw choice not to drink it.
Gambling understandable and im board with the protests on that
Why is that then? We all have the choice not to gamble, too.
Is that a serious question? Do you not know the implications of gambling is?
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Could live with this as our shirt next season. With the current round badge it would be close to perfect.
I like that alot. I just hope villa fans are not gonna start moaning that we are promoting sugary drinks. We all know cokes not good for you but you have thw choice not to drink it.
Gambling understandable and im board with the protests on that
Why is that then? We all have the choice not to gamble, too.
Is that a serious question? Do you not know the implications of gambling is?
I wonder if paulie knows anything about gambling? Hmm...
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Could live with this as our shirt next season. With the current round badge it would be close to perfect.
I like that alot. I just hope villa fans are not gonna start moaning that we are promoting sugary drinks. We all know cokes not good for you but you have thw choice not to drink it.
Gambling understandable and im board with the protests on that
Why is that then? We all have the choice not to gamble, too.
Is that a serious question? Do you not know the implications of gambling is?
Yes, I do, as it happens. The vast, vast majority of people who gamble do so responsibly.
I am not making any point pro or anti gambling, but I'd guess that if you wanted to suggest something as not as bad as gambling, then I wouldn't go for sugary drinks, which without a doubt contribute to way more deaths, and way more load on the NHS than gambling does.
If you wanted to be really pernickety on moral standards, you could also look at some of our recent owners, Wes Edens and the origins of his fortune (sub-prime mortgages), Tony Xia (fraud) and Randy Lerner (predatory high interest rate lending).
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NVR, but England Euros kits unveiled. The blue one is lovely ( if if a little French blue )
(https://i.ibb.co/smzFnXg/IMG-0687.jpg) (https://ibb.co/smzFnXg)
(https://i.ibb.co/ypG83Tw/IMG-0689.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ypG83Tw)
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Why do England have blue in their kits? The last time I looked the St George’s Cross doesn’t have blue in it.
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Yes I always thought that was strange. White and just red surely ?
Not that I don’t like the bits of blue, but agree it’s a bit strange.
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Why do England have blue in their kits? The last time I looked the St George’s Cross doesn’t have blue in it.
To represent the cross of St. Andrew and annoy the Scots.
FWIW, I've always thought the nicest England kits are the red shirts and white shorts, as worn in the World Cup final.
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The Dutch don't have orange in their flag, the Italians don't have blue, Germany has no white. It hasn't held them back!
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Back to Villa kits, I hope that they come up with something better for us than the new Scotland kit and leaked Yanited one.
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The Dutch don't have orange in their flag, the Italians don't have blue, Germany has no white. It hasn't held them back!
The orange and blue are the colours of their respective royal houses, and the old German Imperial flag was black, white and red*.
*One of the main reasons the Nazi flag had those colours.
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Why do England have blue in their kits? The last time I looked the St George’s Cross doesn’t have blue in it.
I guess back in the late 19th century, there wasn't the 'marketing' that you get now. Apparently the first kits England played in were cricket whites, which is why the tops were white. I think back then, possibly even more than now, England and the United Kingdom were seen as more or less the same thing, so English people were far more likely than those in Scotland and Wales to use the Union Jack.
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The orange and blue are the colours of their respective royal houses
And blue, sir, is the sainted blood of our dear rulers.
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The Dutch don't have orange in their flag, the Italians don't have blue, Germany has no white. It hasn't held them back!
The orange and blue are the colours of their respective royal houses, and the old German Imperial flag was black, white and red*.
*One of the main reasons the Nazi flag had those colours.
I know.
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The Dutch don't have orange in their flag, the Italians don't have blue, Germany has no white. It hasn't held them back!
The orange and blue are the colours of their respective royal houses, and the old German Imperial flag was black, white and red*.
*One of the main reasons the Nazi flag had those colours.
I know.
Paddy's home office:
(https://i.ibb.co/bKK2brs/downloadfted.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bKK2brs)
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The Dutch don't have orange in their flag, the Italians don't have blue, Germany has no white. It hasn't held them back!
The orange and blue are the colours of their respective royal houses, and the old German Imperial flag was black, white and red*.
*One of the main reasons the Nazi flag had those colours.
I know.
I thought you might, others may not.
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LeeB, the first time he saw my office:
(https://i.ibb.co/dJ6vs2v/LeeB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dJ6vs2v)
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The Dutch don't have orange in their flag, the Italians don't have blue, Germany has no white. It hasn't held them back!
The orange and blue are the colours of their respective royal houses, and the old German Imperial flag was black, white and red*.
*One of the main reasons the Nazi flag had those colours.
I know.
I thought you might, others may not.
Indeed, no worries.
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LeeB, the first time he saw my office:
(https://i.ibb.co/dJ6vs2v/LeeB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dJ6vs2v)
I loved that jacket.
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Why do England have blue in their kits? The last time I looked the St George’s Cross doesn’t have blue in it.
Well, England aren't really the national team. They're the team representing the Football Association (a private limited company), which is why they play in the FA's colours.
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The new France kit is out and we have changed the shade of blue so all is well.
(https://i.ibb.co/Wpftz6V/1g5vf.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vvkYdHX)
(https://i.ibb.co/4K0q11C/b02cx2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ydx944K)
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After their Word Cup kit, those two are nasty. The alignment of the stars and the pinstripes would give me OCD nightmares.
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The new France kit is out and we have changed the shade of blue so all is well.
I haven't liked the dark blues they've been using recently, but that shade looks nice. The crest is still too big (and rank) though.
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It is a massive cock, yes.
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After their Word Cup kit, those two are nasty. The alignment of the stars and the pinstripes would give me OCD nightmares.
And the red and blue pinstripes fading into each other make it look like the sheets in my nan's spare room back in the Seventies.
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I guess with Pogba out they needed a massive cock on the shirt instead of in it.
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Why do England have blue in their kits? The last time I looked the St George’s Cross doesn’t have blue in it.
I guess back in the late 19th century, there wasn't the 'marketing' that you get now. Apparently the first kits England played in were cricket whites, which is why the tops were white. I think back then, possibly even more than now, England and the United Kingdom were seen as more or less the same thing, so English people were far more likely than those in Scotland and Wales to use the Union Jack.
Wasn't there usually way more Union flags at England games than St George's Cross ones until relatively recently? Or at least as many. As you say, English people seemed to view them as interchangeable.
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Why do England have blue in their kits? The last time I looked the St George’s Cross doesn’t have blue in it.
I guess back in the late 19th century, there wasn't the 'marketing' that you get now. Apparently the first kits England played in were cricket whites, which is why the tops were white. I think back then, possibly even more than now, England and the United Kingdom were seen as more or less the same thing, so English people were far more likely than those in Scotland and Wales to use the Union Jack.
Wasn't there usually way more Union flags at England games than St George's Cross ones until relatively recently? Or at least as many. As you say, English people seemed to view them as interchangeable.
Anyone waving either is beyond contempt so it doesn't really matter.
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Why do England have blue in their kits? The last time I looked the St George’s Cross doesn’t have blue in it.
I guess back in the late 19th century, there wasn't the 'marketing' that you get now. Apparently the first kits England played in were cricket whites, which is why the tops were white. I think back then, possibly even more than now, England and the United Kingdom were seen as more or less the same thing, so English people were far more likely than those in Scotland and Wales to use the Union Jack.
Wasn't there usually way more Union flags at England games than St George's Cross ones until relatively recently? Or at least as many. As you say, English people seemed to view them as interchangeable.
Anyone waving either is beyond contempt so it doesn't really matter.
In regards to why there's blue in the England kit, it matters.
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Why do England have blue in their kits? The last time I looked the St George’s Cross doesn’t have blue in it.
I guess back in the late 19th century, there wasn't the 'marketing' that you get now. Apparently the first kits England played in were cricket whites, which is why the tops were white. I think back then, possibly even more than now, England and the United Kingdom were seen as more or less the same thing, so English people were far more likely than those in Scotland and Wales to use the Union Jack.
Wasn't there usually way more Union flags at England games than St George's Cross ones until relatively recently? Or at least as many. As you say, English people seemed to view them as interchangeable.
Anyone waving either is beyond contempt so it doesn't really matter.
I do think the English might be the only people in the world a substantial portion of whom treat their own flag like that of a mortal enemy.
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I'm not English, brother!
Edit: I was born in England, and largely brought up there, but I'm not English. I'm one of Theresa May's citizens of nowhere. And proud!
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I'm not English, brother!
[Does the wobble-hand 'kinda' gesture]
Anyway didn't really mean yourself, it applies to plenty who don't even have Irishness in the rear-view to fall back on. That Orwell thing about stealing from a poor-box rather than singing God Save The King.
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Why do England have blue in their kits? The last time I looked the St George’s Cross doesn’t have blue in it.
I guess back in the late 19th century, there wasn't the 'marketing' that you get now. Apparently the first kits England played in were cricket whites, which is why the tops were white. I think back then, possibly even more than now, England and the United Kingdom were seen as more or less the same thing, so English people were far more likely than those in Scotland and Wales to use the Union Jack.
Wasn't there usually way more Union flags at England games than St George's Cross ones until relatively recently? Or at least as many. As you say, English people seemed to view them as interchangeable.
Anyone waving either is beyond contempt so it doesn't really matter.
I do think the English might be the only people in the world a substantial portion of whom treat their own flag like that of a mortal enemy.
I suppose it depends if being English makes those individuals proud. The flag and what it ultimately represents or has represented are intrinsically linked. And it’s hard to separate the two even when they should be.
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I have no issue with the flag.
I have some issues with the flag popping up everywhere when England win a game at the world cup/euros.
I have lots of issues with many of the people who feel the need to display the flag all the time.
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Isn't overt flag-shagging new (and affected) English? We used to look down on those who needed to put a flag on everything, whether it's the colony over the pond, Herr Hitler's excitable chaps or those ratlike reds with their badly drawn implements of manual labour.
British is a higher state of being.
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Isn't overt flag-shagging new (and affected) English? We used to look down on those who needed to put a flag on everything, whether it's the colony over the pond, Herr Hitler's excitable chaps or those ratlike reds with their badly drawn implements of manual labour.
British is a higher state of being.
Everywhere I've lived outside the UK is mad for their flag. There are two cranes on a building site outside my window right now displaying Bulgarian flags. As a guest in the country, I don't say what I think, which is that it has severe small-dick energy, as it does wherever it's done.
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Honestly, it's just got to do with state-building and nation-building, a process the English by and large got done by the 9th century.
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I've never got used to the US and its stars and stripes on everything tiny appendage-ness. File with "it says so in the bible", registering your political dogma and constitutional rights. Some lovely - if not quite Scotch lovely - scenery though.
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Could live with this as our shirt next season. With the current round badge it would be close to perfect.
I like that alot. I just hope villa fans are not gonna start moaning that we are promoting sugary drinks. We all know cokes not good for you but you have thw choice not to drink it.
Gambling understandable and im board with the protests on that
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Villa fans moan? Heaven forbid
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Why do England have blue in their kits? The last time I looked the St George’s Cross doesn’t have blue in it.
I guess back in the late 19th century, there wasn't the 'marketing' that you get now. Apparently the first kits England played in were cricket whites, which is why the tops were white. I think back then, possibly even more than now, England and the United Kingdom were seen as more or less the same thing, so English people were far more likely than those in Scotland and Wales to use the Union Jack.
Wasn't there usually way more Union flags at England games than St George's Cross ones until relatively recently? Or at least as many. As you say, English people seemed to view them as interchangeable.
Yes, it is actually really noticeable when you watch old matches.
I saw an Italia 90 documentary recently and it was almost entirely union jacks* rather than crosses of saint george
* pre-warning, before anyone piles in, I don't give a shit if it's only called that when it's on a hovercraft or in a branch of Asda or something, that's what I am calling it.
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I might rue the day, but what's wrong with calling it the Union Jack? The 'only at sea' thing isn't true is it?
I reckon you see it far more abroad, on clothing etc, than you do in the UK.
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I might rue the day, but what's wrong with calling it the Union Jack? The 'only at sea' thing isn't true is it?
Absolutely nothing, and no it isn't. I may have mentioned this before.
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Honestly, it's just got to do with state-building and nation-building, a process the English by and large got done by the 9th century.
Then pretty much stopped doing for the next 1000+ years. (Well other than telling everyone else how to do it at gunpoint)
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Honestly, it's just got to do with state-building and nation-building, a process the English by and large got done by the 9th century.
I read this as 'skateboarding'.
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The boys modelling the purple;
https://x.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1769749954950521180?s=20 (https://x.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1769749954950521180?s=20)
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The boys modelling the purple;
https://x.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1769749954950521180?s=20 (https://x.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1769749954950521180?s=20)
It is an international not Kay's catalogue. Tsk!
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I have no issue with the flag.
I have some issues with the flag popping up everywhere when England win a game at the world cup/euros.
I have lots of issues with many of the people who feel the need to display the flag all the time.
All flags Paul or just English ones?
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I like the new blue England kit, particularly with the claret and blue trim. I won't buy it.
As for flags, I'm no monarchist but I do wonder why as a nation we go through so much self-flagellation. The Dutch, French, Spanish & Germans and pretty much every other nation display their flags proudly, despite many having a colonial past. The truth is, that whatever our history, England is one of the most cosmopolitan and tolerant countries in the world - in terms of race, religion and sexual orientation. Of course we still have problems and there's a lot of work to do, but I'm not sure where these utopias are that are so much better than us?
I'm not a flag waver, or displayer. I'm not that bothered about the England football team. And I'm not particularly fond of the Royal family - I'm entirely ambivalent and have no interest in the weddings, funerals or coronations. But I do think that in the scheme of things England is ok. And I wonder why we hate ourselves so much.
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The boys modelling the purple;
https://x.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1769749954950521180?s=20 (https://x.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1769749954950521180?s=20)
It is an international not Kay's catalogue. Tsk!
There was no apostrophe in Kays! Tsk!
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I like the new blue England kit, particularly with the claret and blue trim. I won't buy it.
As for flags, I'm no monarchist but I do wonder why as a nation we go through so much self-flagellation. The Dutch, French, Spanish & Germans and pretty much every other nation display their flags proudly, despite many having a colonial past. The truth is, that whatever our history, England is one of the most cosmopolitan and tolerant countries in the world - in terms of race, religion and sexual orientation. Of course we still have problems and there's a lot of work to do, but I'm not sure where these utopias are that are so much better than us?
I'm not a flag waver, or displayer. I'm not that bothered about the England football team. And I'm not particularly fond of the Royal family - I'm entirely ambivalent and have no interest in the weddings, funerals or coronations. But I do think that in the scheme of things England is ok. And I wonder why we hate ourselves so much.
I agee with a lot of that Chris. The problem I have is that whenever I see the people who *do* wave flags, I take one look and think 'whatever they are, that's what I'm not'. If nothing else because I enjoy participating in the physical act of love, and those people look like they emerged from bread.
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I think it's because we don't have a history (or living memory) of putting flags everywhere. The debate - like certain others - became hijacked by flag haters and sudden flag obsessives. Watching politicians fight to have most flags in the background when they previously never thought about them. Seeing people frothing at perceived isms because someone has a flag during a football tournament. Hearing "there ain't no black in..."
I find the US flag obsession aggressive and limiting too. The Dutch, meanwhile, have a flag for everything. Depending on the date, you could be seeing the national one, something orange, the rainbow one, the gender one, another country's flag, the city flag, the regional flag, the colours of the Airborne... There's nearly always one flying, just rarely the same one.
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There's a chap down the road from us with a massive flagpole in his garden. He flies the flag of whatever country has just done something notable in what seems a fairly random list of sports, so he's got the Irish flag flying at the moment because they won the rugby. In the past he's had the flags of various Tour de France riders, which got the kids a bit excited when he was flying the Manx flag for Mark Cavendish. As an aside, a friend of a friend was arrested in Germany when the World Cup was held there, for taking his IOM flag to a game. They thought it was some far right version of a swastika.
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I like the new blue England kit, particularly with the claret and blue trim. I won't buy it.
As for flags, I'm no monarchist but I do wonder why as a nation we go through so much self-flagellation. The Dutch, French, Spanish & Germans and pretty much every other nation display their flags proudly, despite many having a colonial past. The truth is, that whatever our history, England is one of the most cosmopolitan and tolerant countries in the world - in terms of race, religion and sexual orientation. Of course we still have problems and there's a lot of work to do, but I'm not sure where these utopias are that are so much better than us?
I'm not a flag waver, or displayer. I'm not that bothered about the England football team. And I'm not particularly fond of the Royal family - I'm entirely ambivalent and have no interest in the weddings, funerals or coronations. But I do think that in the scheme of things England is ok. And I wonder why we hate ourselves so much.
I agee with a lot of that Chris. The problem I have is that whenever I see the people who *do* wave flags, I take one look and think 'whatever they are, that's what I'm not'. If nothing else because I enjoy participating in the physical act of love, and those people look like they emerged from bread.
The thing is, if we continue to mock or shun the flag, then we're letting the far right continue to take it over. I've got no problem with people trying to take it back and fly it in more positive circumstances, including kids watching English sports teams, whether football, rugby, cricket or hockey etc.
If we continue to hate ourselves and slag ourselves off at every opportunity, is it any surprise that everyone else seem to too?
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I might rue the day, but what's wrong with calling it the Union Jack? The 'only at sea' thing isn't true is it?
I call it the Union Jack on purpose just to trigger people. The same way that Robbo1874 in Brisbane deliberately refers to Koala “Bears” just to annoy the Aussies who all jump in to correct him. Childish but satisfying
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There's a chap down the road from us with a massive flagpole in his garden. He flies the flag of whatever country has just done something notable in what seems a fairly random list of sports, so he's got the Irish flag flying at the moment because they won the rugby. In the past he's had the flags of various Tour de France riders, which got the kids a bit excited when he was flying the Manx flag for Mark Cavendish. As an aside, a friend of a friend was arrested in Germany when the World Cup was held there, for taking his IOM flag to a game. They thought it was some far right version of a swastika.
There's a house not far from us with a massive shed built onto the side, and a plaque saying "St Andrews" above the door. He too has a full size flagpole which usually flies the union jack, and a collection of wagon wheels / bird houses and old bits of furniture in the front garden.
As if the St Andrews bit alone wasn't enough to signify nutterdom.
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Blue wagon wheels or red ones?
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Blue wagon wheels or red ones?
Moss covered festering ones.
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There's a chap down the road from us with a massive flagpole in his garden. He flies the flag of whatever country has just done something notable in what seems a fairly random list of sports, so he's got the Irish flag flying at the moment because they won the rugby. In the past he's had the flags of various Tour de France riders, which got the kids a bit excited when he was flying the Manx flag for Mark Cavendish. As an aside, a friend of a friend was arrested in Germany when the World Cup was held there, for taking his IOM flag to a game. They thought it was some far right version of a swastika.
There's a house not far from us with a massive shed built onto the side, and a plaque saying "St Andrews" above the door. He too has a full size flagpole which usually flies the union jack, and a collection of wagon wheels / bird houses and old bits of furniture in the front garden.
As if the St Andrews bit alone wasn't enough to signify nutterdom.
Maybe it's reference to the university he attended.
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As if the St Andrews bit alone wasn't enough to signify nutterdom.
Maybe it's reference to the university he attended.
Or he's a keen golfer.
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As if the St Andrews bit alone wasn't enough to signify nutterdom.
Maybe it's reference to the university he attended.
Or he's a keen golfer.
Or he has gout.
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There's a chap down the road from us with a massive flagpole in his garden. He flies the flag of whatever country has just done something notable in what seems a fairly random list of sports, so he's got the Irish flag flying at the moment because they won the rugby. In the past he's had the flags of various Tour de France riders, which got the kids a bit excited when he was flying the Manx flag for Mark Cavendish. As an aside, a friend of a friend was arrested in Germany when the World Cup was held there, for taking his IOM flag to a game. They thought it was some far right version of a swastika.
Would love to have seen their faces once it was pointed out to them
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I have no issue with the flag.
I have some issues with the flag popping up everywhere when England win a game at the world cup/euros.
I have lots of issues with many of the people who feel the need to display the flag all the time.
All flags Paul or just English ones?
Sorry missed this, I don't have a problem with the England flag or any other flag.
I dislike the England flag popping up everywhere during the world cup, etc because it feels a bit cynical from a lot of places, people and companies that couldn't give a fuck about England or Football suddenly trying to prove how patriotic they are because it's good PR.
As for people who want the St George Cross (and definitely not the Union Jack) on display all the time, there may be some who are ok but the vast majority are awful people which has sadly created a reputation that isn't great.
None of this means i hate the country of don't consider myself English, it just makes it a little more complicated.
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My granddad had a flagpole in his garden specifically to fly the union jack. He'd raise it whenever Villa won, and fly it at half mast if anyone he deemed to be important died (usually former Villa players and the like).
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The adidas logo on the National shirts for Euros is a bit big!
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The adidas logo on the National shirts for Euros is a bit big!
Agreed, looks awful and is placed too far to the right.
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The boys modelling the purple;
https://x.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1769749954950521180?s=20 (https://x.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1769749954950521180?s=20)
The home kit is bit meh, but that away effort is dreadful. I like purple, and it can make for a great kit (see Fiorentina) but not when it's a dull, dark mauve taupe. The side panel made up of leftovers from the Bad Tie factory only adds to it sh!tness.
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I remember years ago a reality tv program which put groups of tourists of different nationalities together through a series of staged incidents (which they thought were real), to compare how the nationalities reacted differently.
One of the events involved a burning of their flag (ie that of the contestants). I remember almost nothing else about that program other than that afterwards, the Americans insisted they have the remaining ashes of the flag so they could bury them with honour.
I mean, seriously. Americans and flags (and that anthem, too). Great example of how they're basically 80% like us culturally, but the other 20% is vastly, vastly different.
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I remember years ago a reality tv program which put groups of tourists of different nationalities together through a series of staged incidents (which they thought were real), to compare how the nationalities reacted differently.
One of the events involved a burning of their flag (ie that of the contestants). I remember almost nothing else about that program other than that afterwards, the Americans insisted they have the remaining ashes of the flag so they could bury them with honour.
I mean, seriously. Americans and flags (and that anthem, too). Great example of how they're basically 80% like us culturally, but the other 20% is vastly, vastly different.
A bit like redscouse fans then.
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I remember years ago a reality tv program which put groups of tourists of different nationalities together through a series of staged incidents (which they thought were real), to compare how the nationalities reacted differently.
One of the events involved a burning of their flag (ie that of the contestants). I remember almost nothing else about that program other than that afterwards, the Americans insisted they have the remaining ashes of the flag so they could bury them with honour.
I mean, seriously. Americans and flags (and that anthem, too). Great example of how they're basically 80% like us culturally, but the other 20% is vastly, vastly different.
A bit like redscouse fans then.
Isn’t the Scouse thing a bit different in that they don’t have national flags just red and white ones, that whole Scouse not English thing?
I quite like that Villa has a mix of national flags and claret and blue ones, all seems quite inclusive to me.
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Scousers do have England flags, but theirs 'mean more'.
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I like the new blue England kit, particularly with the claret and blue trim. I won't buy it.
As for flags, I'm no monarchist but I do wonder why as a nation we go through so much self-flagellation. The Dutch, French, Spanish & Germans and pretty much every other nation display their flags proudly, despite many having a colonial past. The truth is, that whatever our history, England is one of the most cosmopolitan and tolerant countries in the world - in terms of race, religion and sexual orientation. Of course we still have problems and there's a lot of work to do, but I'm not sure where these utopias are that are so much better than us?
I'm not a flag waver, or displayer. I'm not that bothered about the England football team. And I'm not particularly fond of the Royal family - I'm entirely ambivalent and have no interest in the weddings, funerals or coronations. But I do think that in the scheme of things England is ok. And I wonder why we hate ourselves so much.
I agee with a lot of that Chris. The problem I have is that whenever I see the people who *do* wave flags, I take one look and think 'whatever they are, that's what I'm not'. If nothing else because I enjoy participating in the physical act of love, and those people look like they emerged from bread.
The thing is, if we continue to mock or shun the flag, then we're letting the far right continue to take it over. I've got no problem with people trying to take it back and fly it in more positive circumstances, including kids watching English sports teams, whether football, rugby, cricket or hockey etc.
If we continue to hate ourselves and slag ourselves off at every opportunity, is it any surprise that everyone else seem to too?
Agree with all of this.
If you associate the flag with wronguns and you're not a wrongun then fly the flag yourself and take it back off them. Then it won't be associated with wronguns. If Villa was associated with the far right would you stop supporting us? No. You'd carry on and make it known you're not one of them.
Its everyone's flag.
I like them and I'm definitely not far right or even Tory.
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I might rue the day, but what's wrong with calling it the Union Jack? The 'only at sea' thing isn't true is it?
I call it the Union Jack on purpose just to trigger people. The same way that Robbo1874 in Brisbane deliberately refers to Koala “Bears” just to annoy the Aussies who all jump in to correct him. Childish but satisfying
I love the Notts Forest thing, knowing that every time someone calls them Notts Forest, a whole load of them get triggered.
The BBC news did it last night when reporting on the points deduction, and it made me laugh.
I don't know many Notts Forest supporters, but if/when i do come across a Notts Forest supporter, i will definitely call them Notts Forest on purpose, just to see what happens.
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I like the new blue England kit, particularly with the claret and blue trim. I won't buy it.
As for flags, I'm no monarchist but I do wonder why as a nation we go through so much self-flagellation. The Dutch, French, Spanish & Germans and pretty much every other nation display their flags proudly, despite many having a colonial past. The truth is, that whatever our history, England is one of the most cosmopolitan and tolerant countries in the world - in terms of race, religion and sexual orientation. Of course we still have problems and there's a lot of work to do, but I'm not sure where these utopias are that are so much better than us?
I'm not a flag waver, or displayer. I'm not that bothered about the England football team. And I'm not particularly fond of the Royal family - I'm entirely ambivalent and have no interest in the weddings, funerals or coronations. But I do think that in the scheme of things England is ok. And I wonder why we hate ourselves so much.
I agee with a lot of that Chris. The problem I have is that whenever I see the people who *do* wave flags, I take one look and think 'whatever they are, that's what I'm not'. If nothing else because I enjoy participating in the physical act of love, and those people look like they emerged from bread.
The thing is, if we continue to mock or shun the flag, then we're letting the far right continue to take it over. I've got no problem with people trying to take it back and fly it in more positive circumstances, including kids watching English sports teams, whether football, rugby, cricket or hockey etc.
If we continue to hate ourselves and slag ourselves off at every opportunity, is it any surprise that everyone else seem to too?
If Villa was associated with the far right would you stop supporting us?
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Yes.
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I love the Notts Forest thing, knowing that every time someone calls them Notts Forest, a whole load of them get triggered.
The BBC news did it last night when reporting on the points deduction, and it made me laugh.
I don't know many Notts Forest supporters, but if/when i do come across a Notts Forest supporter, i will definitely call them Notts Forest on purpose, just to see what happens.
I read, probably on here, that Manchester United fans do not like them referred to as ManYoo, so I've proceeded to call them that to acquaintances of mine that follow them. So far nothing but God loves a trier. I will persevere.
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I might rue the day, but what's wrong with calling it the Union Jack? The 'only at sea' thing isn't true is it?
I call it the Union Jack on purpose just to trigger people. The same way that Robbo1874 in Brisbane deliberately refers to Koala “Bears” just to annoy the Aussies who all jump in to correct him. Childish but satisfying
I love the Notts Forest thing, knowing that every time someone calls them Notts Forest, a whole load of them get triggered.
Exactly! It’s funny to do it.
Unlike people who refer to “City” or “United”, they’re arseholes to me.
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Yes.
Really? You'd just let them take the club off you?
I wouldn't.
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I might rue the day, but what's wrong with calling it the Union Jack? The 'only at sea' thing isn't true is it?
I call it the Union Jack on purpose just to trigger people. The same way that Robbo1874 in Brisbane deliberately refers to Koala “Bears” just to annoy the Aussies who all jump in to correct him. Childish but satisfying
I love the Notts Forest thing, knowing that every time someone calls them Notts Forest, a whole load of them get triggered.
Exactly! It’s funny to do it.
Unlike people who refer to “City” or “United”, they’re arseholes to me.
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or Arsenal to save time
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I might rue the day, but what's wrong with calling it the Union Jack? The 'only at sea' thing isn't true is it?
I call it the Union Jack on purpose just to trigger people. The same way that Robbo1874 in Brisbane deliberately refers to Koala “Bears” just to annoy the Aussies who all jump in to correct him. Childish but satisfying
I love the Notts Forest thing, knowing that every time someone calls them Notts Forest, a whole load of them get triggered.
Exactly! It’s funny to do it.
Unlike people who refer to “City” or “United”, they’re arseholes to me.
Yep, I usually talk about Sheffield Utd, or Leicester City if anyone does that to me.
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My main issue with flags is when idiots feel the need to have "ENGLAND" printed across them. Surely the whole concept of a flag makes the need to write the name of the country over it redundant?
You never see it with other countries, which I think says a lot.
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/NINTCHDBPICT000413523932.jpg)
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I like the new blue England kit, particularly with the claret and blue trim. I won't buy it.
I’ll hazard a guess that there will be 17,000 others who won’t either 😂
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Yes.
Really? You'd just let them take the club off you?
I wouldn't.
I wouldn't be able to stop them.
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I might rue the day, but what's wrong with calling it the Union Jack? The 'only at sea' thing isn't true is it?
I call it the Union Jack on purpose just to trigger people. The same way that Robbo1874 in Brisbane deliberately refers to Koala “Bears” just to annoy the Aussies who all jump in to correct him. Childish but satisfying
I love the Notts Forest thing, knowing that every time someone calls them Notts Forest, a whole load of them get triggered.
Exactly! It’s funny to do it.
Unlike people who refer to “City” or “United”, they’re arseholes to me.
Especially if you're from a city where there is a club with that name.
Man City were literally never referred to as City by anyone not from Manchester before they got taken over in 2008. Only when they bought their way higher and higher up the league and further into prominence did that start to become a thing the rest of the country did. So now we have people referring to them as 'City' as if it's the old club down the road they've always been aware of.
Annoys me.
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The new England kits are on the official Nike website.
https://www.nike.com/gb/w?q=England&vst=England
£85 a shirt.
You might be thinking, just get the replica and not the player shirts.
That is for the replica.
The player shirt is £125.
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I might rue the day, but what's wrong with calling it the Union Jack? The 'only at sea' thing isn't true is it?
I call it the Union Jack on purpose just to trigger people. The same way that Robbo1874 in Brisbane deliberately refers to Koala “Bears” just to annoy the Aussies who all jump in to correct him. Childish but satisfying
I love the Notts Forest thing, knowing that every time someone calls them Notts Forest, a whole load of them get triggered.
Exactly! It’s funny to do it.
Unlike people who refer to “City” or “United”, they’re arseholes to me.
Especially if you're from a city where there is a club with that name.
Man City were literally never referred to as City by anyone not from Manchester before they got taken over in 2008. Only when they bought their way higher and higher up the league and further into prominence did that start to become a thing the rest of the country did. So now we have people referring to them as 'City' as if it's the old club down the road they've always been aware of.
Annoys me.
I've mentioned this before, but whenever anyone mentions United or City, my dad's mate goes in to a long diatribe about how he used to support United but prefers City now, calling United all the names under the sun - about how they're his big commercial entity and so on, chairman doesn't care about the fans, etc etc - before announcing that the only team he hates more than United is Town. Then asks what they think about some Oxford United / Oxford City related matter (Town is, of course, Swindon Town - who he hates with a passion).
He doesn't actually hate Oxford United though, he just adds that for comic effect. Still goes to watch them occasionally, if Oxford City aren't playing.
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I love the Notts Forest thing, knowing that every time someone calls them Notts Forest, a whole load of them get triggered.
The BBC news did it last night when reporting on the points deduction, and it made me laugh.
I don't know many Notts Forest supporters, but if/when i do come across a Notts Forest supporter, i will definitely call them Notts Forest on purpose, just to see what happens.
I read, probably on here, that Manchester United fans do not like them referred to as ManYoo, so I've proceeded to call them that to acquaintances of mine that follow them. So far nothing but God loves a trier. I will persevere.
My Devon & Brummie Red mates hate it.
They know fuck all reason why though.
I once upset a Small Heath fan for continuing to call Small Heath, Small Heath, into the wee hours while we drank together...
He got angrier & angrier across the night.
It was hilarious.
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Never just united or city, always man u and man city.
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Never just united or city, always man u and man city.
Indeed, everyone knows simply "City" and "United" means Lincoln City and Lincoln United.
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The bastardised St George’s cross on the back of the new Nike England shirt is having the desired effect. Lovely stuff!
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Not sure what the uproar is about… we had green, blue and purple flags on the 2010 kit….
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I wonder if Nike will instruct their child labour sweatshops to change the National flag colours of nations such as
Saudi Arabia
USA
China
Russia
France
In fact any other nation would be up in arms about it and quite rightly too.
Whilst they are at it lets have a green Welsh flag, an Orange Irish flag, a Green Scottish flag
Uneccessary conflict to sell a few shit shirts, working on the basis that no PR is bad PR - wankers and after their insistence to not create an Earps shirt they should be boycotted.
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I've had a look on their website, and I can't seem to find another nation who've bothered putting a tiny flag on the back of the collar.
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I've consulted the finest online minds and it's clearly a ploy to get the Tories reelected.
Nike is known to be an evil, capitalist, human-hating, money-grubbing, lying, cheating, corrupt, murderous and loathsome entity (allegedly). How to get its unpopular political arm back on side and encourage angry people to scrawl an X for King and Blighty? Do a woke, get the vote.
Bloody geniuses these fabric fascists. Don't fall for it sheeple.
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The new France kit is out and we have changed the shade of blue so all is well.
(https://i.ibb.co/Wpftz6V/1g5vf.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vvkYdHX)
(https://i.ibb.co/4K0q11C/b02cx2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ydx944K)
Just seen the launch price. €99.99 (NINETY-NINE EUROS* AND NINETY-NINE CENTS)
*Or EURO if you prefer.
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Heard White and Jordan on Talksh*te this morning stirring things up on this issue - errr didn't a previous England home shirt have very small multi-coloured crosses on the white background (when Umbro were still doing the gig) about 10-15 years back? Or was no-one bothered about stirring crap up for the Culture Wars back then?
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(https://i.ibb.co/bHVMpRp/Screenshot-2024-03-21-170242.png) (https://ibb.co/bHVMpRp)
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Double banger today, Hot Cross Buns on the hit list now. Sometimes I think companies do it on purpose for shits and giggles. The more the outrage, the funnier it gets.
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My main issue with flags is when idiots feel the need to have "ENGLAND" printed across them. Surely the whole concept of a flag makes the need to write the name of the country over it redundant?
You never see it with other countries, which I think says a lot. [Yes, you do]
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/NINTCHDBPICT000413523932.jpg)
Great to see a community supporting their national team.
The name of the country on the flag can be helpful. When Diallo scored for Yanited on Sunday, I wasn't sure if his green, white and orange sweatband was a reference to Côte d’Ivoire or St.Patrick's Day.
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Aston Villa have sealed the biggest front of shirt sponsorship in the club’s history with Greek online sports betting platform Betano — £20m annually for two years! The Betano deal runs for two years until 2026, when the ban on gambling companies on shirt fronts comes into effect from the start of the 26/27 season.
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I wonder if Nike will instruct their child labour sweatshops to change the National flag colours of nations such as
Saudi Arabia
USA
China
Russia
France
Might be a bit tricky, Nike don’t make the Saudi, Chinese or Russian shirts.
I see Starmer’s jumped on the bandwagon now, big soccer fan that he is. He’d have been better off focusing his faux outrage on the £125 price tag for the kids’ kit.
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"All publicity is good publicity" - Malcolm McLaren? I think the Nike publicity department are doing fist bumps at the moment (so the cynic in me is saying). People will buy the new shirt to wind up the gammon and I bet an alternative version will be made available too?
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Aston Villa have sealed the biggest front of shirt sponsorship in the club’s history with Greek online sports betting platform Betano — £20m annually for two years! The Betano deal runs for two years until 2026, when the ban on gambling companies on shirt fronts comes into effect from the start of the 26/27 season.
I know people will be disappointed it's a betting company, but right now I'm just pleased that we're getting major income when we really need it.
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https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-13230787/How-two-brothers-no-knowledge-no-capital-built-sportswear-upstart-Castore-1bn-brand.html?ico=mol_desktop_home-newtab&molReferrerUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fhome%2Findex.html
How two brothers with no knowledge (and no capital) built sportswear upstart Castore into a £1bn brand
By PATRICK TOOHER
Tom Beahon is buzzing. The fresh-faced 34-year-old has just been on a call with the Prime Minister's Business Council of chief executives from firms including Nationwide, Lloyds Bank, Scottish Power, Rolls-Royce and Greggs. The idea is for them to help Rishi Sunak take the pulse of British business – or as Beahon puts it 'to get a shopfloor view of what is going on in the economy'.
'I'm not a massively political person but I'm honoured to be asked,' he says in a soft Scouse accent. His appointment to the Government's advisory panel is the latest milestone in a short but meteoric commercial career.
In less than a decade Beahon has gone from 'Mum's kitchen table in Liverpool' – where he and his brother Phil started the Castore sportswear brand with a £25,000 loan from their parents – to what he calls 'the top table' in Downing Street.
The pair are very much joint partners, but it is Tom who prefers the media limelight to his younger brother. Together, they have grown their business into a challenger brand taking on industry titans Nike and Adidas.
Sales more than doubled to £115 million last year and – impressively for a fast-growing young business – there were chunky profits too, totalling nearly £15 million.
'Not many businesses do that,' he beams. The only way is to be 'obsessive', he insists. 'It can't just be a day job. You have to live and breathe every detail of it.'
Castore's distinctive winged logo adorns England cricket shirts, and the kit of Formula 1 team Red Bull and Newcastle United until the end of this football season.
The firm has 500 staff and 25 stores, including one in Dubai. It recently moved its head office to Manchester – the original 'Cottonopolis' and home to sportswear brands such as Umbro and JD Sports. A recent fund-raising valued Castore at £950 million and the Beahons' majority stake at £500 million – at least on paper – after a capital injection led by investment bank Raine.
Backers include tennis star Andy Murray and the Issa brothers, Mohsin and Zuber, owners of the Asda supermarket chain.
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Murray is an important partner in the Beahons' success. The two-times Wimbledon champion has had a joint venture with Castore called AMC since 2019. It makes shirts from regenerated nylon and yarn, which Murray wears exclusively on court. But it is on the Issas that Beahon heaps the highest praise.
'Our role models since my brother and I started the business have to be Mohsin and Zuber. They were the guys who backed us when it would have been easy not to,' he says.
'They wanted to help the next generation of entrepreneurs and saw Phil and I were passionate and ambitious. They believed in us.'
Having failed to become professional sportsmen – Tom was let go by Tranmere Rovers, his local football team, Phil didn't make it as a Lancashire county cricketer – the Beahons' big idea was a simple one: to set up a premium sportswear brand in a sector where Nike and Adidas had ruled the roost for decades.
'I can't think of any other genuinely global market dominated by just two brands,' Tom says. For him, Nike and Adidas had got too big for their boots and were now trying to appeal to everybody.
He saw a market 'ripe for disruption', in the same way that Tesla upended car-making and Spotify transformed music.
'We thought if we can create a British premium sportswear brand we should be able to appeal to people who are more serious about their health, training and fitness than the big brands,' he says. 'Markets, consumers and technology evolve and incumbents need to be challenged. They will not innovate as the status quo works for them.'
That led him to wonder if Adidas and Nike were 'doing a brilliant job for every sports team outside the global elite'. He says: 'I didn't think they were. I felt we could offer something different and superior,' in terms of fabric quality and performance. The challenge was to turn that dream into reality. Here was a business with no capital whose founders had no knowledge or experience of the sector.
Unlike some start-ups, the Beahons didn't go on BBC One's Dragons' Den. Tom says: 'There's no singular route to success.'
Instead they turned to their parents, who re-mortgaged their homes to provide the seed capital. Tom and Phil's mum was a teacher, their dad worked in construction.
'We were a very normal, working class family,' Tom recalls. His parents were a huge influence, instilling in the brothers 'a massive work ethic' of 'rolling up your sleeves and getting on with it'.
Their parents had originally hoped the boys would go to university. After their rejection on the sports field, the brothers wanted to be 'in control of their destiny', Tom remembers.
So they started knocking on the doors of countless clothing suppliers until one, a factory in Portugal, agreed to take them on.
But there was no grand plan. Tom says: 'It was just hustle – it's a very un-British thing.
He adds: 'You need to have deeper levels of perseverance than anyone who isn't an entrepreneur will understand.'
Designers praise Castore's kit quality while the Beahons speak of 'marginal gains' like slightly lighter fabrics.
But it's not all been plain sailing. The first big controversy came last year when Aston Villa's 'wet-shirt' fiasco prompted complaints from male and female players. They said sweat-soaked Castore jerseys affected their performance. It was a setback from which the Beahons learnt hard lessons.
'We're not perfect,' Tom admits. 'You bump your head and you bump it again, but you slowly work out how things need to evolve.' There have been other growing pains. The biggest may be learning to let go and delegate as Castore's break-neck expansion continues.
'At the start you do it all yourself. It's on you. You wake up at 5am, you don't go to bed until 1am. You do whatever it takes to be successful,' Tom says
But when a business reaches a certain size, say 50 to 100 employees, 'you need a different skill set' from the one that got you there in the first place.
'And that's hard,' he admits. 'A lot of founders really struggle with it. As a leader your role changes from being the do-er to the person who sets the vision.'
He also thinks entrepreneurs are made not born, saying: 'Just because you didn't go to Eton, don't believe anyone is better than you or has a right to succeed. You can learn the core characteristics of being successful in business. In this country we do a dis-service to young people wishing to start a business if they think they can't do it because they are not innovators. They just need encouragement.'
Tom hopes he and his brother will become role models inspiring budding entrepreneurs. He says: 'It's not an easy one, but being an entrepreneur is a viable career option. There's no superpower or secret sauce, just hard work.'
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"All publicity is good publicity" - Malcolm McLaren? I think the Nike publicity department are doing fist bumps at the moment (so the cynic in me is saying). People will buy the new shirt to wind up the gammon and I bet an alternative version will be made available too?
Yes it always surprises me all the people who throw Wokery and snowflake accusations at people struggle to show any tolerance and get offended at any nuances put to them
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Roma's Adidas kit for next season is nice,,,
(https://i.ibb.co/dfHCDf1/GKJ7s-ZCXw-AAq-Q7-G.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dfHCDf1)
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It might be hard to run around in that skirt? Nice touch with the nod to their history though; the gladiators ran around in similar.
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Rumoured Arsenal kit for 24/25. The red portion resembling a bottle. Very appropriate.
(https://i.ibb.co/cv8z7pT/IMG-2612.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cv8z7pT)
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Rumoured Arsenal kit for 24/25. The red portion resembling a bottle. Very appropriate.
They wouldn't show that lack of awareness, surely? Dreadful, hope it's not a template for our claret and blue effort.
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Looks like the Japanese flag melted
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Rumoured Arsenal kit for 24/25. The red portion resembling a bottle. Very appropriate.
They wouldn't show that lack of awareness, surely? Dreadful, hope it's not a template for our claret and blue effort.
Well I don’t think it’s intentional. And because the front design is lying flat against the back it just looks that way. Add in a bit of spicy Twitter awareness and voila. Arsenal have a kit with a bottle on it.
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The stripes on that Arsenal kit are a blue shade. Not sure it's real. It's a horrible template anyway, so I hope it's not a sign of things to come.
Was our Adidas deal actually confirmed? I can't remember.
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Their crest is nice on that though.
Seems to be the trend lately to use the main element of your crest as the emblem on the shirts.
If they do that with ours, especially if its the lino cut lion, that will look magnificent...
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Cant wait for thag new kit simply because that horrendous burger king logo wont be on ut. Probably my least favourite logo
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Cant wait for thag new kit simply because that horrendous burger king logo wont be on ut. Probably my least favourite logo
NTL was the worst for me, followed by Muller and Gentling. At least the monocoloured logos on this season's away and third kits dsn't look so bad.
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Their crest is nice on that though.
Seems to be the trend lately to use the main element of your crest as the emblem on the shirts.
If they do that with ours, especially if its the lino cut lion, that will look magnificent...
It would until we have the lopsided star.
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Cant wait for thag new kit simply because that horrendous burger king logo wont be on ut. Probably my least favourite logo
NTL was the worst for me, followed by Muller and Gentling. At least the monocoloured logos on this season's away and third kits dsn't look so bad.
I actually loved the NTL one [insert homer simpson in bushes meme]
Gentling i agree though. But i really di absolutely hate this burger king one with a passion
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Their crest is nice on that though.
Seems to be the trend lately to use the main element of your crest as the emblem on the shirts.
If they do that with ours, especially if its the lino cut lion, that will look magnificent...
And the trend seems to have them over-sized. The french euros shirt has a massive cockerel on it.
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Only some guys concept, but shows how the stand alone lion works. Think the whole shirt looks great.
(https://i.ibb.co/2PnvVH7/GDa7wsp-Xo-AAJ-d-L.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2PnvVH7)
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Aren’t we with Betano next season?
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Only some guys concept, but shows how the stand alone lion works. Think the whole shirt looks great.
(https://i.ibb.co/2PnvVH7/GDa7wsp-Xo-AAJ-d-L.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2PnvVH7)
Sponsor obviously changing, but I really like that to be honest.
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Hate the good. Our kit should be claret and blue.
Replace the gold with blue and great.
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Agree, the gold looks rubbish.
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Take the badge off and that's a West Ham shirt.
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I hate this trend of gold on kits.
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Their crest is nice on that though.
Seems to be the trend lately to use the main element of your crest as the emblem on the shirts.
If they do that with ours, especially if its the lino cut lion, that will look magnificent...
And the trend seems to have them over-sized. The french euros shirt has a massive cockerel on it.
Massive cock on the chest of the French?
One might say that is very appropriate...
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Their crest is nice on that though.
Seems to be the trend lately to use the main element of your crest as the emblem on the shirts.
If they do that with ours, especially if its the lino cut lion, that will look magnificent...
And the trend seems to have them over-sized. The french euros shirt has a massive cockerel on it.
Massive cock on the chest of the French?
One might say that is very appropriate...
A cock on a chest. They call it a paizuri over here.
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My one issue with Adidas is that somewhere on the kit there will have to be three stripes and I really don't want then to go the whole length of the arm. (Or at least not on the home kit: the Umbro diamonds on the late 70s/early 80s away kit remains iconic.)
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My one issue with Adidas is that somewhere on the kit there will have to be three stripes and I really don't want then to go the whole length of the arm.
Oh I do, especially if they do a long sleeve version.
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My one issue with Adidas is that somewhere on the kit there will have to be three stripes and I really don't want then to go the whole length of the arm.
Oh I do, especially if they do a long sleeve version.
Same here.
It's been far too long since we've had a long sleeve
Were Macron the last lot to make them for us? I thought Castore were going to, but they've been shite.
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Looks like a red condom
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Looks like a red condom
😂
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(https://i.ibb.co/mvMH95x/IMG-0009.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mvMH95x)
The end of Castore cannot come soon enough
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Their crest is nice on that though.
Seems to be the trend lately to use the main element of your crest as the emblem on the shirts.
If they do that with ours, especially if its the lino cut lion, that will look magnificent...
And the trend seems to have them over-sized. The french euros shirt has a massive cockerel on it.
Massive cock on the chest of the French?
One might say that is very appropriate...
Now, listen here lobster-face! I too can indulge in casual xenophobia.
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(https://i.ibb.co/mvMH95x/IMG-0009.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mvMH95x)
The end of Castore cannot come soon enough
Ha ha they really have given up
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(https://i.ibb.co/mvMH95x/IMG-0009.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mvMH95x)
The end of Castore cannot come soon enough
That is disgraceful in all seriousness.
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It's appalling!!
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Their crest is nice on that though.
Seems to be the trend lately to use the main element of your crest as the emblem on the shirts.
If they do that with ours, especially if its the lino cut lion, that will look magnificent...
And the trend seems to have them over-sized. The french euros shirt has a massive cockerel on it.
Massive cock on the chest of the French?
One might say that is very appropriate...
Now, listen here lobster-face! I too can indulge in casual xenophobia.
Its all in good fun. I love the French... 🤭
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Castore kits manufactured in France?
I have to admit Emi's face seems to be stating "I can't see anything wrong there" in a similar way to the Blooser and his arm tattoo.
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It's appalling!!
I'm appalled.
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Liverpool ditching Nike for Adidas, so Adidas will kit out 3 of the top 4 teams next season.
https://onefootball.com/en/news/liverpool-ditch-nike-for-50m-adidas-bumper-kit-deal-39390174
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It's appalling!!
I'm appalled.
I'm appalled, and so is my wife.
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Liverpool ditching Nike for Adidas, so Adidas will kit out 3 of the top 4 teams next season.
https://onefootball.com/en/news/liverpool-ditch-nike-for-50m-adidas-bumper-kit-deal-39390174
"The five-year deal will start in the 2025/26 season."
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