Kits 23/24

[LeeB]

LeeB, the first time he saw my office:

I loved that jacket.

[Dogtanian]

Why do England have blue in their kits? The last time I looked the St George’s Cross doesn’t have blue in it.

Well, England aren't really the national team. They're the team representing the Football Association (a private limited company), which is why they play in the FA's colours.

[Bad English]

The new France kit is out and we have changed the shade of blue so all is well.

[Risso]

After their Word Cup kit, those two are nasty. The alignment of the stars and the pinstripes would give me OCD nightmares.

[Brazilian Villain]

The new France kit is out and we have changed the shade of blue so all is well.

I haven't liked the dark blues they've been using recently, but that shade looks nice. The crest is still too big (and rank) though.

[Bad English]

It is a massive cock, yes.

[Bad English]

After their Word Cup kit, those two are nasty. The alignment of the stars and the pinstripes would give me OCD nightmares.

And the red and blue pinstripes fading into each other make it look like the sheets in my nan's spare room back in the Seventies.

[paul_e]

I guess with Pogba out they needed a massive cock on the shirt instead of in it.

[AV84]

Why do England have blue in their kits? The last time I looked the St George’s Cross doesn’t have blue in it.

I guess back in the late 19th century, there wasn't the 'marketing' that you get now. Apparently the first kits England played in were cricket whites, which is why the tops were white. I think back then, possibly even more than now, England and the United Kingdom were seen as more or less the same thing, so English people were far more likely than those in Scotland and Wales to use the Union Jack.

Wasn't there usually way more Union flags at England games than St George's Cross ones until relatively recently? Or at least as many. As you say, English people seemed to view them as interchangeable.

[Sexual Ealing]

Why do England have blue in their kits? The last time I looked the St George’s Cross doesn’t have blue in it.

I guess back in the late 19th century, there wasn't the 'marketing' that you get now. Apparently the first kits England played in were cricket whites, which is why the tops were white. I think back then, possibly even more than now, England and the United Kingdom were seen as more or less the same thing, so English people were far more likely than those in Scotland and Wales to use the Union Jack.

Wasn't there usually way more Union flags at England games than St George's Cross ones until relatively recently? Or at least as many. As you say, English people seemed to view them as interchangeable.

Anyone waving either is beyond contempt so it doesn't really matter.

[AV84]

Why do England have blue in their kits? The last time I looked the St George’s Cross doesn’t have blue in it.

I guess back in the late 19th century, there wasn't the 'marketing' that you get now. Apparently the first kits England played in were cricket whites, which is why the tops were white. I think back then, possibly even more than now, England and the United Kingdom were seen as more or less the same thing, so English people were far more likely than those in Scotland and Wales to use the Union Jack.

Wasn't there usually way more Union flags at England games than St George's Cross ones until relatively recently? Or at least as many. As you say, English people seemed to view them as interchangeable.

Anyone waving either is beyond contempt so it doesn't really matter.

In regards to why there's blue in the England kit, it matters.

[Monty]

Why do England have blue in their kits? The last time I looked the St George’s Cross doesn’t have blue in it.

I guess back in the late 19th century, there wasn't the 'marketing' that you get now. Apparently the first kits England played in were cricket whites, which is why the tops were white. I think back then, possibly even more than now, England and the United Kingdom were seen as more or less the same thing, so English people were far more likely than those in Scotland and Wales to use the Union Jack.

Wasn't there usually way more Union flags at England games than St George's Cross ones until relatively recently? Or at least as many. As you say, English people seemed to view them as interchangeable.

Anyone waving either is beyond contempt so it doesn't really matter.

I do think the English might be the only people in the world a substantial portion of whom treat their own flag like that of a mortal enemy.

[Sexual Ealing]

I'm not English, brother!

Edit: I was born in England, and largely brought up there, but I'm not English. I'm one of Theresa May's citizens of nowhere. And proud!

[Monty]

I'm not English, brother!

[Does the wobble-hand 'kinda' gesture]

Anyway didn't really mean yourself, it applies to plenty who don't even have Irishness in the rear-view to fall back on. That Orwell thing about stealing from a poor-box rather than singing God Save The King.

[Toronto Villa]

Why do England have blue in their kits? The last time I looked the St George’s Cross doesn’t have blue in it.

I guess back in the late 19th century, there wasn't the 'marketing' that you get now. Apparently the first kits England played in were cricket whites, which is why the tops were white. I think back then, possibly even more than now, England and the United Kingdom were seen as more or less the same thing, so English people were far more likely than those in Scotland and Wales to use the Union Jack.

Wasn't there usually way more Union flags at England games than St George's Cross ones until relatively recently? Or at least as many. As you say, English people seemed to view them as interchangeable.

Anyone waving either is beyond contempt so it doesn't really matter.

I do think the English might be the only people in the world a substantial portion of whom treat their own flag like that of a mortal enemy.

I suppose it depends if being English makes those individuals proud. The flag and what it ultimately represents or has represented are intrinsically linked. And it’s hard to separate the two even when they should be.