Season Tickets

[luke95]

How come they are allowed to do that in the US yet we cant here ? We used to with Viagogo and you could set your own resale price

I think it's down to H&S . If I ticket is sold on officially it has a name & address assigned to that specific seat, incase of an emergency  they know who should be sitting there .
If tickets are just given or sold to just random people they don't.

[VillaTim]

How come they are allowed to do that in the US yet we cant here ? We used to with Viagogo and you could set your own resale price

I think it's down to H&S . If I ticket is sold on officially it has a name & address assigned to that specific seat, incase of an emergency  they know who should be sitting there .
If tickets are just given or sold to just random people they don't.

with viagogo you need an account / credit card address etc ?

[luke95]

How come they are allowed to do that in the US yet we cant here ? We used to with Viagogo and you could set your own resale price

I think it's down to H&S . If I ticket is sold on officially it has a name & address assigned to that specific seat, incase of an emergency  they know who should be sitting there .
If tickets are just given or sold to just random people they don't.

with viagogo you need an account / credit card address etc ?

That's what ive said .

[VillaTim]

How come they are allowed to do that in the US yet we cant here ? We used to with Viagogo and you could set your own resale price

I think it's down to H&S . If I ticket is sold on officially it has a name & address assigned to that specific seat, incase of an emergency  they know who should be sitting there .
If tickets are just given or sold to just random people they don't.

with viagogo you need an account / credit card address etc ?

That's what ive said .

ok what i was saying though that villa dont allow this anymore , the only resale is back via the club at face value less the cut they want.

[dave.woodhall]

How come they are allowed to do that in the US yet we cant here ? We used to with Viagogo and you could set your own resale price

I think it's down to H&S . If I ticket is sold on officially it has a name & address assigned to that specific seat, incase of an emergency  they know who should be sitting there .
If tickets are just given or sold to just random people they don't.

More likely it's down to someone making a pound that doesn't go to the club.

[luke95]

How come they are allowed to do that in the US yet we cant here ? We used to with Viagogo and you could set your own resale price

I think it's down to H&S . If I ticket is sold on officially it has a name & address assigned to that specific seat, incase of an emergency  they know who should be sitting there .
If tickets are just given or sold to just random people they don't.

More likely it's down to someone making a pound that doesn't go to the club.

I don't think it is to be honest.

The government & football authorities always wanted ID cards for football fans , this is the next best thing .

[dave.woodhall]

The government did, the authorities didn't, but they do like to have a marketing database and never underestimate the overwhelming belief of a football club that every pound their supporters possess is only on loan. 

[TheTimVilla]

The season before last, I couldn't make Liverpool so sold the tickets back to the club. They sold them to Liverpool fans...

[chrisw1]

What's happening at Villa is happening all over the Premier League. It started with Manchester United,  then Liverpool, the other big London clubs plus West Ham and now it's hitting us. Newcastle will be next. If demand exceeds supply and the demand just happens to in many cases be better off than your existing customers the answer is obvious - you chase the money. Expand the corporates, encourage the families. Tell your supporters it has to happen for progress; exploit their loyalty. If you want to see what it'll be like in five years time, look at the NFL now.

100% agree Dave….as you say it’s obvious where we are heading, for me it’s exactly why there is next to zero investment put into concourses, toilet facilities etc…they want long term fans to give up going to bring in new wave….nothing to do with Barney Rubbles tedious working class diatribes…it’s about reducing those with expectations & history to attract more who are grateful to be allowed to attend.

I think this stance is very melodramatic.

I'm annoyed by the terrace view as much as anyone.  But ultimately I think the club just wants to increase revenue with a larger percentage of corporate seats.  The main benefit of the North stand wont be the extra capacity, but how it allows them to shuffle seats and create more corporate space.  Those in the 1888 seats are on borrowed time as will those around them soon enough.

But I think the last thing the club wants is for long term supporters to give up going, but they do want to squeeze us where they can.

[chrisw1]

As for club resale of tickets, it mostly works well.  Yes I get that the club can resell at full match ticket value, but the whole point of a season ticket is you get a discount for buying in bulk.  It doesn't make any sense that you could simply sell these back to the club at the price you paid as that is having your cake and eating it.  In theory you could then attend half the games at ST prices and sell the rest back at no loss.
 It's irrelevant what the club can sell them for, it's reasonable that the sell back price is what you paid less an admin fee.  That admin fee is probably less than you are saving from the non season ticket price for each Cat 1 game.

[Mister E]

What's happening at Villa is happening all over the Premier League. It started with Manchester United,  then Liverpool, the other big London clubs plus West Ham and now it's hitting us. Newcastle will be next. If demand exceeds supply and the demand just happens to in many cases be better off than your existing customers the answer is obvious - you chase the money. Expand the corporates, encourage the families. Tell your supporters it has to happen for progress; exploit their loyalty. If you want to see what it'll be like in five years time, look at the NFL now.

100% agree Dave….as you say it’s obvious where we are heading, for me it’s exactly why there is next to zero investment put into concourses, toilet facilities etc…they want long term fans to give up going to bring in new wave….nothing to do with Barney Rubbles tedious working class diatribes…it’s about reducing those with expectations & history to attract more who are grateful to be allowed to attend.

I think this stance is very melodramatic.

I'm annoyed by the terrace view as much as anyone.  But ultimately I think the club just wants to increase revenue with a larger percentage of corporate seats.  The main benefit of the North stand wont be the extra capacity, but how it allows them to shuffle seats and create more corporate space.  Those in the 1888 seats are on borrowed time as will those around them soon enough.
But I think the last thing the club wants is for long term supporters to give up going, but they do want to squeeze us where they can.

yes, I'm with you on this. I'm guessing the club want to balance corporate / high-wealth customers with the need to retain the loyalty and vocal-visual support of its traditional fanbase. It's about blending income streams and remaining part of the community 

[Nev]

Whatever they do, just don't do it on the Holte. It's as simple as that for me. One of the reasons cited for the popularity of football in this country is the atmosphere generated by the fans and while the rest of our place can make a right old din at times of high drama, the atmosphere has always started from our own "end". Grounds that have lost this have lost a lot of identity and character, look at Chelsea, Woolwich, Stockport City (I was surprised to see that the home end at their place is the Family Stand, which explains a lot) West Ham etc.

Now you still have the Kop at Liverpool and The Holte, the Trent End at Forest, the Kop at Sheff Utd. All distinct from the rest of the ground and the home of the most vociferous and vocal fans. To be fair to Spurs, they have tried to emulate an end at their new place but I can't tell you what it's called.

Hopefully the Terrace View will be quietly dropped, perhaps the new area can just be a "lounge" now that the work has been carried out, sold on a match by match basis to existing ticket holders at a reasonable rate where friends might purchase for a birthday or stag do or some such, and any links to a seat or away tickets done away with.

[chrisw1]

I agree with you Nev.  It feels to me like too many people have too much invested to back down on the Terrace View, but it's clearly a disaster.  And that's before the complaints start rolling in when the remaining 80% start to realise they've lost half their facilities and the queue for the toilet and bar is now twice as long.

[pauliewalnuts]

How is it clearly a disaster? Based on people getting marketing calls?

Don't get me wrong, I think it's a mistake and way over priced for what you get, and that they should have improved the offering across the board.

Not quite sure it is any kind of disaster for them, though.

[danno]

According to the blurb It holds roughly 1000 and when I looked there were about 300 places left.  “Disaster” is strong but the take up has been… not great?