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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Nii Lamptey on April 24, 2023, 05:50:52 PM
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Looks like rumours are true. 15% increase across the board just announced… Wilma is gonna have a field day!
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How do I see what I paid last year?
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How do I see what I paid last year?
If you log on to your account and go to payments, it should show up there.
I’m in middle of trinity upper, and by my reckoning it’s gone up from £752 to £865
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Mine has gone up to £779. It's too big an increase really.
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Yep, as posted in another thread, Zone 2:
21/22 - £615
22/23 - £677 (10%)
23/24 - £779 (15%)
26.7% over 2 years.
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Mine in the North Stand has gone up from £531 this season to £728 for next season.
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Thank you. I'm to find £321 extra for the same 2 x tickets. We'd better be as good next year.
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Mine is now £779 increase of £102 in the upper trinity
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Mine in the North Stand has gone up from £531 this season to £728 for next season.
That's what 40-45%
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37% ?
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On the OS, it says there are 33,000 on the waiting list. The figure seems to vary wildly.
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37% ?
Yeah 37/38% increase almost £200 .....bit of a pisstake .
Be close too, if not over £1000 in the new North when built I'd imagine
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Mine is the same 532 to 728 upper north stand. Wow.
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On the OS, it says there are 33,000 on the waiting list. The figure seems to vary wildly.
I've seen the email a friend of a friend got, and they were in place 30000, so its at least that currently.
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https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1650537711822938114?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
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On the OS, it says there are 33,000 on the waiting list. The figure seems to vary wildly.
I've seen the email a friend of a friend got, and they were in place 30000, so its at least that currently.
One of my mates is around the 28k mark, so you can see why the club are pushing their luck. Demand is far greater than supply, so they are proper milking it.
All it will lead to is the more vocal working class support being priced out of the club. Atmosphere will be flat and a ground full of prawn sandwiches and half n half scarves.
*has Wilma hacked my account!?
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Renewed with the 8 month option, but the total price made my eyes water
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"Different journeys. One destination"
Yeah.... bankruptcy & fucking foodbanks for me at those prices
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Mines gone up by £102, I only buy my own , it's still a big hit. If you are in the North Stand upper and buy for family kids etc that a massive hit.
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Further evidence that the club (along with most other premier division clubs) want rid of the working class. Apparently the Trinity middle blocks are getting a padded seat and a tie/scarf which will see a further increase.
Those North Stand prices seem ridiculous, they were always cheap as nobody used to sit up there even though the view is great.
On top of that the one benefit of a free cup ticket has been removed . The ' Villa Rewards' scheme is crap they just give you stuff for your points that couldn't be sold in the village
And the facilities (even with the new self-serve machines) are crap. the pour your own beer has been turned off the last couple of games as it turned into a disaster
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With the money in the game it's just wrong. We're no worse than anyone else but the whole thing is rotten.
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Yup, its now costing me well north of a grand for me and my kid, if circumstances change they'd lose me for good as I simply couldn't be arsed to go through the agonies of the website every game to try and get a ticket for upwards of £50 a game.
Its not just us and its been going on forever but you do think that the next generation of fans is being ignored through ticket prices and availability.
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The late Terry Wills of WM fame called it right when he dubbed the Premier League "the greed league"
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Is it possible to buy a season ticket if you sell your house to pay for it, or do you have to have a fixed address on your ticket account?
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My renewal for me, my 16 year old daughter and 13 year old son in L2 in the lower holte is £984, thats a £203 or 26% rise for the combined price for the three of us. Its an absolute piss take to be honest and its going to be really hard to justify to my wife. My daughter has missed a few games this year as teenage life takes over, unfortunately may have to have serious conversation about whether she wants to renew. Shite to be honest.
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I'm desperate for us to compete with the big boys and don't suppose I should be surprised when our ticket prices start to rise towards those we expect to match on the field. But it still feels shit and I really do wonder what tangible difference a few million quid on revenue truly makes when you think of it in context with a players wages.
But I guess we can look at it as this price rise is a few million quid, but the bigger picture is that the club probably view it as the second in many steps to bridging a gap that is probably £20-40m+ compared to the likes of Arsenal, Man Utd and Spurs.
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We're paying for the club's inability to grow commercial revenue over the past thirty years.
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Yeah I had that serious conversation with my kid earlier, she's having none of it. Hey ho.
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The fact that the the match day experience outside the actual football is still a shit show.
Purslow has no class, covering the stadium with billboards, drowning out any atmosphere with the ridiculous pre match music and the least said about the catering the better.
And to Dave’s point above, the commercial side is poorly run with tacky merchandise and shifty sponsors.
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Yeah I had that serious conversation with my kid earlier, she's having none of it. Hey ho.
I think thats my conversation will go and tbh and she gets older, im loathe to give up one of the only things we’ll probs do together, but that price hike!!
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Some good points made here: https://twitter.com/Jamorushton/status/1650550432853372941
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I know the club needs to operate as a business , but Gate receipts are now far less important when you factor in TV money. If I was being cynical , I would think the club want the new tourist supporter spending shit loads of money in the club shop, club bars and other money making ventures. It's far easier to fleece money from a day tripping tourist than a regular who brings their own flask of tea ! ( I have seen this, don't know how they get that past the stewards)
Don't think the club have read the room very well on this one. The worrying thing is , if genuine long time supporter make the tough decision that they can't afford it , their ticket will , I'm sure , be snapped up.
If that happens the club can continue to raise prices at the current steep rate. I know we are business and are subject to supply and demand forces , but there's a cost of living crisis and a lot of people have had to alter their spending accordingly.
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Is it me? When I click on all the season ticket information & excuses etc, I can find no general list/info of the prices round the ground? Ominously, it keeps showing 'error' when I try to renew 2 tickets in Trinity B5... Anyone know why?
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Nope, I got as far as adding my existing ones to the basket for payment, before deciding I will wait until the last possible moment.
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I know the club needs to operate as a business , but Gate receipts are now far less important when you factor in TV money. If I was being cynical , I would think the club want the new tourist supporter spending shit loads of money in the club shop, club bars and other money making ventures. It's far easier to fleece money from a day tripping tourist than a regular who brings their own flask of tea ! ( I have seen this, don't know how they get that past the stewards)
Don't think the club have read the room very well on this one. The worrying thing is , if genuine long time supporter make the tough decision that they can't afford it , their ticket will , I'm sure , be snapped up.
If that happens the club can continue to raise prices at the current steep rate. I know we are business and are subject to supply and demand forces , but there's a cost of living crisis and a lot of people have had to alter their spending accordingly.
Like it or lump it .
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I know the club needs to operate as a business , but Gate receipts are now far less important when you factor in TV money. If I was being cynical , I would think the club want the new tourist supporter spending shit loads of money in the club shop, club bars and other money making ventures. It's far easier to fleece money from a day tripping tourist than a regular who brings their own flask of tea ! ( I have seen this, don't know how they get that past the stewards)
Don't think the club have read the room very well on this one. The worrying thing is , if genuine long time supporter make the tough decision that they can't afford it , their ticket will , I'm sure , be snapped up.
If that happens the club can continue to raise prices at the current steep rate. I know we are business and are subject to supply and demand forces , but there's a cost of living crisis and a lot of people have had to alter their spending accordingly.
I don't doubt that for a second.
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I know the club needs to operate as a business , but Gate receipts are now far less important when you factor in TV money. If I was being cynical , I would think the club want the new tourist supporter spending shit loads of money in the club shop, club bars and other money making ventures. It's far easier to fleece money from a day tripping tourist than a regular who brings their own flask of tea ! ( I have seen this, don't know how they get that past the stewards)
Don't think the club have read the room very well on this one. The worrying thing is , if genuine long time supporter make the tough decision that they can't afford it , their ticket will , I'm sure , be snapped up.
If that happens the club can continue to raise prices at the current steep rate. I know we are business and are subject to supply and demand forces , but there's a cost of living crisis and a lot of people have had to alter their spending accordingly.
It all adds up. 40K people all paying £300 more is £12m a year.
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I can't actually see a grid with the various prices. Am I missing something?
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Last season I paid £370 for my ssn tkt.
£531 this season.
Likely to be approx £610 next season.
That’s a 65% increase within the space of 12 months (over 3 seasons) for the same seat!
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Not only can I not see the prices, the 2 seats we have had for 21 seasons are showing 'these seats are already occupied'. WTFF!
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Not only can I not see the prices, the 2 seats we have had for 21 seasons are showing 'these seats are already occupied'. WTFF!
You expect to be able to sit on a seat on your own without sharing it? Well really.
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Is it possible to live a season ticket now for next year ? Or does that only happen at the end of the season ?
The price hike is a lot. Luckily it’s just me, I can take the hit. I feel for parents who take a couple of kids !
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£780 for the upper doug concourse... Pretty sickening. Over 20 years season ticket and starting to wonder whether it's worth it anymore.
You can't even have a piss at half time.
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Im surprised that they haven’t considered offering an opportunity to pay a fee to move towards the front of the waiting list. I reckon people would definitely pay to jump the queue… (Purslow, this isn’t genuine feedback, my tongue is firmly in cheek)
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Prices are a piss take now, it's why I don't go any more as I won't pay it out of principle. And never forget, a big selling point at the launch of the Premier League back in the day was how the extra money for clubs would help keep ticket prices low for fans. That worked out well.
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Perhaps Purslow needs to go and talk to the Bundesliga to see how they look after their fans.
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Perhaps Purslow needs to go and talk to the Bundesliga to see how they look after their fans.
Maybe it's his way of getting his own back for us spoiling his Gerrard vanity project.....
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Is it me? When I click on all the season ticket information & excuses etc, I can find no general list/info of the prices round the ground? Ominously, it keeps showing 'error' when I try to renew 2 tickets in Trinity B5... Anyone know why?
I think B5 is one of the areas to have a padded seat and scarf - for a premium of course!
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Theres a new corporate section. 1888 club.
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In the section, 'Background to Season Ticket Pricing and Stadium Changes', the bullshit bullet points on benchmarking and economic pressures could have been shortened to one sentence. 'We have a big waiting list, so renew your season ticket or fuck off'.
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I know the club needs to operate as a business , but Gate receipts are now far less important when you factor in TV money. If I was being cynical , I would think the club want the new tourist supporter spending shit loads of money in the club shop, club bars and other money making ventures. It's far easier to fleece money from a day tripping tourist than a regular who brings their own flask of tea ! ( I have seen this, don't know how they get that past the stewards)
Don't think the club have read the room very well on this one. The worrying thing is , if genuine long time supporter make the tough decision that they can't afford it , their ticket will , I'm sure , be snapped up.
If that happens the club can continue to raise prices at the current steep rate. I know we are business and are subject to supply and demand forces , but there's a cost of living crisis and a lot of people have had to alter their spending accordingly.
That's it pretty much.
The Premier league is such a magnet now that there'd demand locally and globally to watch it so if a 20-30 year diehard watcher dosen't want to go someone else will come in quick.
Purslow should've instead put a 5% reduction instead as gesture of thanks for us all having to put up with his decision to inflict Gerrard on us for a year!
With the upcoming stadium reduction I'm not too surprised he's gone for one year of milking matchday revenue to the extreme.
We're no different to Fulham. Was reading interview with their owner on Saturday and he justified charging 100 quid in some parts of the ground as it's only a small percentage and those tickets sold out in an hour so if people continue to pay then clubs will keep on upping the prices for matchday and season tickets.
Curious how many will just renew as usual or decide to start pick and choosing games next season?
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BTW this is without qualifying for europe. You can bet anything if we make europa league and get two good teams in our group it will be 30-40 quid prices for that aswell!
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Don't forget to add this onto your increases
Aston Villa are one of the only clubs in the Premier League to include free domestic home cup games within their season ticket product offering. The Club believes it is reasonable to remove this benefit from next season whilst ensuring all of our loyal season ticket holders continue to have priority access to Cup games.
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Don't forget to add this onto your increases
Aston Villa are one of the only clubs in the Premier League to include free domestic home cup games within their season ticket product offering. The Club believes it is reasonable to remove this benefit from next season whilst ensuring all of our loyal season ticket holders continue to have priority access to Cup games.
They just keep on giving today.
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watch us go on home cup runs now
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I asked this question under another thread earlier today, but answer came there none. Asking it again now, under this thread, as it may be pertinent to the matter of people deciding whether or not to renew season tickets. Question is - does anyone know how many claret members there currently are?
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UTV but My ST has gone up 216% in just two years. Outrageous. L6 Lower Holte Over 66 21/22 £270 22/23 £405 23/24 £584 Fleecing those on fixed incomes. And they made it Over 66 instead of Over 65. Really taking the piss. As someone else posted they had better be good next year!
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£780 for the upper doug concourse... Pretty sickening. Over 20 years season ticket and starting to wonder whether it's worth it anymore.
You can't even have a piss at half time.
Same here. The bogs are hell in the Upper Doug. I gave up on getting a drink at half time many tears ago, and bring a flask.
Great view, TBF.
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Matt Kendrick on Twitter has said we have scrapped the admin fee for buying season tickets.
He put an emoji at the end of the tweet, but I have never understood those wee fuckers.
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I'm the reason the prices are going up.
I will have attended 15 home games by the end of the season as a Claret Member (not sure how many of us there are). I'm 12500 on the waiting list and I'd pay the prices being quoted for a season ticket, because I really want one.
You're all the reason too, because not one person has said they aren't paying, yet. Obviously I'm hoping season tickets are offered to me and whilst there's part of me that doesn't want anyone to stop going because they can't afford it, I also know the reason people will give their ticket up is unlikely to be because the football is crap, the hope is gone, or that we'll be relegated.
The rises are big, but the ticket prices aren't out of kilter with other teams. With this manager, results are being delivered and expectations and hopes are rising. They will go up again next year, and the year after too.
I'd much rather ticket prices were capped, but the market and the owners of all the clubs will say no to that. FFP and the desire to compete will say no to that.
We don't compete commercially right now and haven't for a very long time. Expect that to change, beginning with us, because it's the fans that drive the commercial revenue, whether it's through tickets, shopping or advertising.
We're now facing the reality of what success will mean. None of us like it, but we are enjoying the football, the improvement and the hope. We just have to pay for it.
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I'm the reason the prices are going up.
I will have attended 15 home games by the end of the season as a Claret Member (not sure how many of us there are). I'm 12500 on the waiting list and I'd pay the prices being quoted for a season ticket, because I really want one.
You're all the reason too, because not one person has said they aren't paying, yet. Obviously I'm hoping season tickets are offered to me and whilst there's part of me that doesn't want anyone to stop going because they can't afford it, I also know the reason people will give their ticket up is unlikely to be because the football is crap, the hope is gone, or that we'll be relegated.
The rises are big, but the ticket prices aren't out of kilter with other teams. With this manager, results are being delivered and expectations and hopes are rising. They will go up again next year, and the year after too.
I'd much rather ticket prices were capped, but the market and the owners of all the clubs will say no to that. FFP and the desire to compete will say no to that.
We don't compete commercially right now and haven't for a very long time. Expect that to change, beginning with us, because it's the fans that drive the commercial revenue, whether it's through tickets, shopping or advertising.
We're now facing the reality of what success will mean. None of us like it, but we are enjoying the football, the improvement and the hope. We just have to pay for it.
Would it annoy you that my 2yo is ahead of you Drummond at 12,118?
You can elbow me in the ribs tomorrow night.
Her first game will be Spurs in a couple of weeks, wish me luck with two little ones (imagine your own concerned/bonkers emoji).
There isn’t a chance we’d have that much turnover close season is there?
Is hard to imagine many dropping out at this point in the (hopefully) club’s development.
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I saw a Twitter poll the other day and I think it was around 20% said they wouldn’t renew. A Twitter poll is very different to reality though.
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Would it annoy you that my 2yo is ahead of you Drummond at 12,118?
You can elbow me in the ribs tomorrow night.
Her first game will be Spurs in a couple of weeks, wish me luck with two little ones (imagine your own concerned/bonkers emoji).
There isn’t a chance we’d have that much turnover close season is there?
Is hard to imagine many dropping out at this point in the (hopefully) club’s development.
I'm pleased for you! Though if she was added to the list after me (and my lad) I'd want to understand why..
I'm guessing that we may get close to getting one when the capacity increases by 10k. And that's just the way it is,...
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I saw a Twitter poll the other day and I think it was around 20% said they wouldn’t renew. A Twitter poll is very different to reality though.
I don't think there will be anywhere near that level of drop off. People say it but when the reality hits the situation is very different.
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£780 for the upper doug concourse... Pretty sickening. Over 20 years season ticket and starting to wonder whether it's worth it anymore.
You can't even have a piss at half time.
Same here. The bogs are hell in the Upper Doug. I gave up on getting a drink at half time many tears ago, and bring a flask.
Great view, TBF.
Upper Doug we are the ultimate mushrooms in the cupboard….the entire season ticket has to be for the fantastic view because the facilities in that stand are league 2 standard and have had no updates in well over a decade….the toilets are shoddy, there are very few ladies cubicles, the refreshments in terms of choice and speed of service are contemptible.
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I think the issue with many is you're paying a premium price for horrendous facilities. That's always why the north stand was heavily discounted. You can't move in the upper Doug and all around the service is shocking.
A number of us on here provided simple solutions but the club wasted thousands on self -serve rubbish that's hasn't improved anything
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£780 for the upper doug concourse... Pretty sickening. Over 20 years season ticket and starting to wonder whether it's worth it anymore.
You can't even have a piss at half time.
Same here. The bogs are hell in the Upper Doug. I gave up on getting a drink at half time many tears ago, and bring a flask.
Great view, TBF.
Upper Doug we are the ultimate mushrooms in the cupboard….the entire season ticket has to be for the fantastic view because the facilities in that stand are league 2 standard and have had no updates in well over a decade….the toilets are shoddy, there are very few ladies cubicles, the refreshments in terms of choice and speed of service are contemptible.
Hate the stand, love the view.
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I think the issue with many is you're paying a premium price for horrendous facilities. That's always why the north stand was heavily discounted. You can't move in the upper Doug and all around the service is shocking.
A number of us on here provided simple solutions but the club wasted thousands on self -serve rubbish that's hasn't improved anything
The self service system has definitely made it much easier to get a drink in the Lower Holte if you want one.
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Where do you see where you are on the waiting list?
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Where do you see where you are on the waiting list?
What waiting list?
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I've seen a graphic that indicates we're still the 15th cheapest ticket in the league (assuming Chelsea don't suddenly reduce their prices by a grand).
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My over 66 ticket in L3 seems to have increased in price by about a third. Bit of a shock, thought 15% was the general figure? The days of 50% discount for pensioners is a distant memory 🙁
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Where do you see where you are on the waiting list?
What waiting list?
The season ticket waiting list?
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Priority access to away games for season ticket holders - does this mean if you are a season ticket holder you will be able to buy away ticket games?
At least there are no booking fees LOL.
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This looks like a straw that could break a lot of camels' backs. £41 a game. Hefty.
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This looks like a straw that could break a lot of camels' backs. £41 a game. Hefty.
That's kind of my point; I pay £40 to be a claret member then pay full price for single tickets. Buying a season ticket means it will be less for me (if/when I get one).
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For me, I'm getting a great view and shoddy facilities and woeful service for my £41 a game. For me that's no better than ok in terms of value and if we went anywhere near £50 per game I'd expect to have much better facilities and service. I'm in the fortunate position of being able to afford it but can quite understand why others can't.
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They’re taking the piss. There’s no other reason for this than to squeeze more money from a captive audience. And I don’t give a shit how our prices compare to Spurs or whichever other clubs fleece their fans even more than Villa.
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They’re taking the piss. There’s no other reason for this than to squeeze more money from a captive audience. And I don’t give a shit how our prices compare to Spurs or whichever other clubs fleece their fans even more than Villa.
I agree, they’re putting up prices so much because they know they can get away with it because mugs like me will pay it. The general cost of living rises meant I was expecting to pay more but 15% is just taking the piss.
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They’re taking the piss. There’s no other reason for this than to squeeze more money from a captive audience. And I don’t give a shit how our prices compare to Spurs or whichever other clubs fleece their fans even more than Villa.
Absolutely this.
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My lad moved 2000 places up the queue in the summer - so less than a 6% drop-off/churn rate. This might increase slightly, but I think with what's happening on the pitch it won't change too much. It seems a long way from gates of less than 30000 just over three years ago.
As one of our group said - it would have been good to reward the loyalty of fans that have stuck with the club - maybe a discount or free ticket for those who endured all of the last 10 years or so.
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My lad moved 2000 places up the queue in the summer - so less than a 6% drop-off/churn rate. This might increase slightly, but I think with what's happening on the pitch it won't change too much. It seems a long way from gates of less than 30000 just over three years ago.
As one of our group said - it would have been good to reward the loyalty of fans that have stuck with the club - maybe a discount or free ticket for those who endured all of the last 10 years or so.
I wouldn't qualify but I wouldn't disagree with this, they could just offer a loyalty voucher based on the booking history
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What is the new 1888 seating area? (the blocks either side of the Directors & hospitality) I assume it's hospitality light? Fortunately, it doesn't affect me but I can't find any info on it.
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After dutifully responding to the email to renew my ST, I got as far as the pre-chackout to be told that our 2 seats of 20+ years have been taken??
When I refreshed the page the following message came up:
'Error: A potentially dangerous Request detected in one of the fields. Please correct the offensive value and try again.'
Reading this, I felt as though I had abseiled down the Trinity stand holding a suspicious package!
How to win friends and influence people... Still no stadium-wide guide to ticket prices on the official site - unless someone knows/can advise where to find?
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£780 for the upper doug concourse... Pretty sickening. Over 20 years season ticket and starting to wonder whether it's worth it anymore.
You can't even have a piss at half time.
Same here. The bogs are hell in the Upper Doug. I gave up on getting a drink at half time many tears ago, and bring a flask.
Great view, TBF.
Upper Doug we are the ultimate mushrooms in the cupboard….the entire season ticket has to be for the fantastic view because the facilities in that stand are league 2 standard and have had no updates in well over a decade….the toilets are shoddy, there are very few ladies cubicles, the refreshments in terms of choice and speed of service are contemptible.
I agree. I tend to sit there if I switch seats to take a friend as the view is really good - in fact I'm in there tonight. But the corridor behind and the facilities is disgusting really.
I'm concerned that once they've carved out the upper Holte premium lounge the remaining area will be incredibly tight too. Nothing like the Witton, but even so much worse than it currently is now. I think this is a huge backwards step for fan experience.
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I remain convinced that we should have identified a site somewhere else and just knocked the whole bloody thing down and started again.
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just clicked on the Villa website - my season ticket in the lower Holte is going to be £779.00.
It will be interesting to see how many do renew.
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If this wasn't my last season of paying full price (I'm 65 July) I probably would say goodbye to being a season ticket holder for over 25 years. The fact that I get to see old friends and have a drink with them before and after the match is now one of the main reasons to renew.
I don't believe the threat to us that there are 30,000 +waiting for our seat and how many of those will stand by the club if ever we went through the downward spiral of the previous 10 years?
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After dutifully responding to the email to renew my ST, I got as far as the pre-chackout to be told that our 2 seats of 20+ years have been taken??
When I refreshed the page the following message came up:
'Error: A potentially dangerous Request detected in one of the fields. Please correct the offensive value and try again.'
Reading this, I felt as though I had abseiled down the Trinity stand holding a suspicious package!
How to win friends and influence people... Still no stadium-wide guide to ticket prices on the official site - unless someone knows/can advise where to find?
Where do you sit? Are you in the new 1888 area (B3, b4 and a bit of B5)?
(https://i.ibb.co/q7mvbFv/06a8f780-e293-11ed-810a-c7149b6bed21.jpg) (https://ibb.co/q7mvbFv)
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£780 for the upper doug concourse... Pretty sickening. Over 20 years season ticket and starting to wonder whether it's worth it anymore.
You can't even have a piss at half time.
Same here. The bogs are hell in the Upper Doug. I gave up on getting a drink at half time many tears ago, and bring a flask.
Great view, TBF.
Upper Doug we are the ultimate mushrooms in the cupboard….the entire season ticket has to be for the fantastic view because the facilities in that stand are league 2 standard and have had no updates in well over a decade….the toilets are shoddy, there are very few ladies cubicles, the refreshments in terms of choice and speed of service are contemptible.
I agree. I tend to sit there if I switch seats to take a friend as the view is really good - in fact I'm in there tonight. But the corridor behind and the facilities is disgusting really.
I'm concerned that once they've carved out the upper Holte premium lounge the remaining area will be incredibly tight too. Nothing like the Witton, but even so much worse than it currently is now. I think this is a huge backwards step for fan experience.
The Witton Lane stand is terrible, makes the North Stand look like the palace of Versailles in terms of facilities*
*I'm making this demarcation as the North Stand actually fucking beautiful and will lament the loss of it's brutalist magnificence
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I remain convinced that we should have identified a site somewhere else and just knocked the whole bloody thing down and started again.
Noooooo, Burn the Heretic!
*Please not another 'Should we move?' debate as it's been done to death on here, and thankfully it's not going to happen.
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For the first time ever, looking at a future where it's clear they're going to try and bleed dry every last penny out of those can can actually get in, I might agree with Risso on this.
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The new North will be a pleasant place to be, and the facilities top notch. The prices no doubt will be too.
The rest of the ground just needs to be thought out and planned, because service could, and should, be so much better.
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For the first time ever, looking at a future where it's clear they're going to try and bleed dry every last penny out of those can can actually get in, I might agree with Risso on this.
Not sure why moving to another site would equate with cheaper prices. If anything they’d want more to help recoup the costs.
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After dutifully responding to the email to renew my ST, I got as far as the pre-chackout to be told that our 2 seats of 20+ years have been taken??
When I refreshed the page the following message came up:
'Error: A potentially dangerous Request detected in one of the fields. Please correct the offensive value and try again.'
Reading this, I felt as though I had abseiled down the Trinity stand holding a suspicious package!
How to win friends and influence people... Still no stadium-wide guide to ticket prices on the official site - unless someone knows/can advise where to find?
Where do you sit? Are you in the new 1888 area (B3, b4 and a bit of B5)?
(https://i.ibb.co/q7mvbFv/06a8f780-e293-11ed-810a-c7149b6bed21.jpg) (https://ibb.co/q7mvbFv)
B5 Row 25... does this mean we're being evicted? They're both concessionary tickets (old farts, out to graze, but have spent an eye-watering amount following Villa for 60-odd years))
No idea whether there are any alternatives on offer - no general price guide on view. Shabby, in my opinion.
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For the first time ever, looking at a future where it's clear they're going to try and bleed dry every last penny out of those can can actually get in, I might agree with Risso on this.
Not sure why moving to another site would equate with cheaper prices. If anything they’d want more to help recoup the costs.
No, but if I'm going to get fleeced anyway then some space-age cheese tunnel shit and room to breathe would at least compensate somewhat
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For the first time ever, looking at a future where it's clear they're going to try and bleed dry every last penny out of those can can actually get in, I might agree with Risso on this.
Not sure why moving to another site would equate with cheaper prices. If anything they’d want more to help recoup the costs.
No, but if I'm going to get fleeced anyway then some space-age cheese tunnel shit and room to breathe would at least compensate somewhat
You'll be wanting carpeted floors, a fan-bearer and slippers next.
Your 'caravan' is a Winnebago isn't it?
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Sorry but what is 1888?
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For the first time ever, looking at a future where it's clear they're going to try and bleed dry every last penny out of those can can actually get in, I might agree with Risso on this.
Not sure why moving to another site would equate with cheaper prices. If anything they’d want more to help recoup the costs.
Because at the moment the facilities in a lot of the ground are atrocious, and at the moment the only solution seems to be to charge extra (for a select few) for what should be standard for everybody, and then leave everybody else with a worse experience. It's all very well them comparing us to the other top clubs in terms of prices, but they're delivering a matchday experience way behind most of them. Man City, Spurs and Arsenal are light years ahead because they're not trying to squeeze slightly better service out of decades old, badly built stands.
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Sorry but what is 1888?
Something to do with the League formation I guess?
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For the first time ever, looking at a future where it's clear they're going to try and bleed dry every last penny out of those can can actually get in, I might agree with Risso on this.
Not sure why moving to another site would equate with cheaper prices. If anything they’d want more to help recoup the costs.
Because at the moment the facilities in a lot of the ground are atrocious, and at the moment the only solution seems to be to charge extra (for a select few) for what should be standard for everybody, and then leave everybody else with a worse experience. It's all very well them comparing us to the other top clubs in terms of prices, but they're delivering a matchday experience way behind most of them. Man City, Spurs and Arsenal are light years ahead because they're not trying to squeeze slightly better service out of decades old, badly built stands.
The experience would be just the same if we had just the same staff.
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After dutifully responding to the email to renew my ST, I got as far as the pre-chackout to be told that our 2 seats of 20+ years have been taken??
When I refreshed the page the following message came up:
'Error: A potentially dangerous Request detected in one of the fields. Please correct the offensive value and try again.'
Reading this, I felt as though I had abseiled down the Trinity stand holding a suspicious package!
How to win friends and influence people... Still no stadium-wide guide to ticket prices on the official site - unless someone knows/can advise where to find?
Where do you sit? Are you in the new 1888 area (B3, b4 and a bit of B5)?
(https://i.ibb.co/q7mvbFv/06a8f780-e293-11ed-810a-c7149b6bed21.jpg) (https://ibb.co/q7mvbFv)
B5 Row 25... does this mean we're being evicted? They're both concessionary tickets (old farts, out to graze, but have spent an eye-watering amount following Villa for 60-odd years))
No idea whether there are any alternatives on offer - no general price guide on view. Shabby, in my opinion.
I honestly don't know if your seat falls in that area, but I saw someone on Twitter say their £752 ticket is now £899 due to being swallowed by the 1888 seating. Whether there is concessions in that area could also be an issue for you I guess.
edit - looking at a seating plan I'd say there's a chance is 1888. I'd get onto the ticket office if I was you.
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Sorry but what is 1888?
Something to do with the League formation I guess?
I thought your 1st answer was oK , I was trying to work out how much and what you get for this seating area?
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Sorry but what is 1888?
Something to do with the League formation I guess?
I thought your 1st answer was oK , I was trying to work out how much and what you get for this seating area?
I wasn't aware there was seating being reserved for it too, that makes it worse.
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Sorry but what is 1888?
Something to do with the League formation I guess?
I thought your 1st answer was oK , I was trying to work out how much and what you get for this seating area?
I wasn't aware there was seating being reserved for it too, that makes it worse.
i was just going off the seat map above.
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Sorry but what is 1888?
Never ask that question in Glasgow.
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The Witton will basically become the new North Stand when that is done up....excellent sightlines from upper Tier unless you're at the very back but will just feel very cramped and small compared to the other stands.
Given the road and houses it's going to be a long long time before there's any redevelopment if at all. Perhaps they'll reduce prices there once new North stand is up but I doubt it given what we've seen last few days.
I always wondered why Witton isn't 30 quid, don't the away fans pay that as part of the cap or was that rule scrapped a few years back?
That's one example of where mass fan protest forced a rethink and got away tickets capped at 30 quid for a few years at least.
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Sorry but what is 1888?
Something to do with the League formation I guess?
I thought your 1st answer was oK , I was trying to work out how much and what you get for this seating area?
I wasn't aware there was seating being reserved for it too, that makes it worse.
Don't mix this up with the debacle in the Holte end (although I wouldn't put it past them to have 'premium seating' as the next step.
This just looks like an extension of the premium seating in the Trinity, but I haven't seen any explanation from the club of what the 1888 'offer' is.
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For the first time ever, looking at a future where it's clear they're going to try and bleed dry every last penny out of those can can actually get in, I might agree with Risso on this.
Not sure why moving to another site would equate with cheaper prices. If anything they’d want more to help recoup the costs.
Because at the moment the facilities in a lot of the ground are atrocious, and at the moment the only solution seems to be to charge extra (for a select few) for what should be standard for everybody, and then leave everybody else with a worse experience. It's all very well them comparing us to the other top clubs in terms of prices, but they're delivering a matchday experience way behind most of them. Man City, Spurs and Arsenal are light years ahead because they're not trying to squeeze slightly better service out of decades old, badly built stands.
But they charge a huge premium for it.
It’s all a moot point anyway, the redevelopment plans show that it’s not on the cards for the foreseeable future. I just think that the tilt away from football fans to customers is going too far.
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A positive from my perspective is that i am classed as a Disabled Over 66 so my ST is now £397 i think it was but i also have a Personal Assistant
who until last season was free. Last season they changed criteria and i had to pay a full price Adult approx £690. When i went to pay for my renewals
last night the Personal Assistant was once again free so a saving of £797. So i'm currently a happy bunny.
Probably only until Anthony from Disability office rings me 'Paul mate sorry we've made a mistake'
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It’s all a moot point anyway, the redevelopment plans show that it’s not on the cards for the foreseeable future. I just think that the tilt away from football fans to customers is going too far.
I agree it's never going to happen, probably in our life times anyway. But staying put means they have to make the most out of what they have, and that's going to entail trying to extort as much money as possible from people using the existing creaking facilities. The North Stand will be good when finished, but we'll still be left with a truly dismal Witton, a 30+ year old Holte and a 25 year old Trinity, all done as cheaply as possible in the Ellis era, with nothing much else around the area in terms of alternatives. Yes the London clubs charge a premium, but then they're at least getting a decent matchday experience. A lot of our fans will be paying much higher prices for still what is a very poor product in terms of the stadium visit.
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After dutifully responding to the email to renew my ST, I got as far as the pre-chackout to be told that our 2 seats of 20+ years have been taken??
When I refreshed the page the following message came up:
'Error: A potentially dangerous Request detected in one of the fields. Please correct the offensive value and try again.'
Reading this, I felt as though I had abseiled down the Trinity stand holding a suspicious package!
How to win friends and influence people... Still no stadium-wide guide to ticket prices on the official site - unless someone knows/can advise where to find?
Where do you sit? Are you in the new 1888 area (B3, b4 and a bit of B5)?
(https://i.ibb.co/q7mvbFv/06a8f780-e293-11ed-810a-c7149b6bed21.jpg) (https://ibb.co/q7mvbFv)
B5 Row 25... does this mean we're being evicted? They're both concessionary tickets (old farts, out to graze, but have spent an eye-watering amount following Villa for 60-odd years))
No idea whether there are any alternatives on offer - no general price guide on view. Shabby, in my opinion.
I honestly don't know if your seat falls in that area, but I saw someone on Twitter say their £752 ticket is now £899 due to being swallowed by the 1888 seating. Whether there is concessions in that area could also be an issue for you I guess.
edit - looking at a seating plan I'd say there's a chance is 1888. I'd get onto the ticket office if I was you.
Contacted the ticket office (45 minute wait unsurprisingly) and the - very helpful - woman resolved it. It seems that we've just dodged a bullet: the people 5 seats to our right are 'in the zone' (1888 - but the prices aren't in a time warp...) and being 'prawn sandwiched' into the football future.
Our (concessionary) seats are now £649 from £490 last year. As there's precious little chance of me being Sunaked into maths, can't calculate exactly, but I think that's a lot more than 15%. Thanks for your advice, Chris.
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I remain convinced that we should have identified a site somewhere else and just knocked the whole bloody thing down and started again.
Noooooo, Burn the Heretic!
*Please not another 'Should we move?' debate as it's been done to death on here, and thankfully it's not going to happen.
Listen to him first, do as he says and then burn for his own sake.
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Apart from being absolutely pig sick at this new rise (my seat will be £779 in L5) after last seasons whopping 18% one, can anyone tell me what's happened to the student discount option? I can't find it
The nephews gone from needing an U21 ST, to being a full time student this year and surely they're not expecting students to pay full adult price right?
Sad to say it, but i'm ashamed of the club right now.
No excuses. It's an absolute disgrace.
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Apart from being absolutely pig sick at this new rise (my seat will be £779 in L5) after last seasons whopping 18% one, can anyone tell me what's happened to the student discount option? I can't find it
The nephews gone from needing an U21 ST, to being a full time student this year and surely they're not expecting students to pay full adult price right?
Sad to say it, but i'm ashamed of the club right now.
No excuses. It's an absolute disgrace.
Similarly my nephew clicks over 21 before 1/19/23 (the trigger date) so I will have to pay £639 for him. This season it was £269. Ouch! And even if were U21 £269 goes up to £410.
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It’s all a moot point anyway, the redevelopment plans show that it’s not on the cards for the foreseeable future. I just think that the tilt away from football fans to customers is going too far.
I agree it's never going to happen, probably in our life times anyway. But staying put means they have to make the most out of what they have, and that's going to entail trying to extort as much money as possible from people using the existing creaking facilities. The North Stand will be good when finished, but we'll still be left with a truly dismal Witton, a 30+ year old Holte and a 25 year old Trinity, all done as cheaply as possible in the Ellis era, with nothing much else around the area in terms of alternatives. Yes the London clubs charge a premium, but then they're at least getting a decent matchday experience. A lot of our fans will be paying much higher prices for still what is a very poor product in terms of the stadium visit.
The Holte is fine from my point of view but then for me ‘match day experience’ means seeing a good game of football.
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It’s all a moot point anyway, the redevelopment plans show that it’s not on the cards for the foreseeable future. I just think that the tilt away from football fans to customers is going too far.
I agree it's never going to happen, probably in our life times anyway. But staying put means they have to make the most out of what they have, and that's going to entail trying to extort as much money as possible from people using the existing creaking facilities. The North Stand will be good when finished, but we'll still be left with a truly dismal Witton, a 30+ year old Holte and a 25 year old Trinity, all done as cheaply as possible in the Ellis era, with nothing much else around the area in terms of alternatives. Yes the London clubs charge a premium, but then they're at least getting a decent matchday experience. A lot of our fans will be paying much higher prices for still what is a very poor product in terms of the stadium visit.
Ask any Spurs fans at the moment if the "matchday experience" makes up for getting absolutely humped by the likes of Newcastle whilst paying comfortably the most expensive ticket prices in the league (https://www.statista.com/statistics/328654/premier-league-teams-ranked-by-most-expensive-season-ticket-price/).
I don't care how nice the concourse is (and it is very nice at the new WHL), it doesn't justify paying 3x what it costs to watch the Villa.
And yes, a 15% increase is a pisstake, but unfortunately football operates in a competitive vacuum, so just like no top-flight professional footballer "earns" the amount he's paid, if you want to compete, you have to pay the going rate. That's exactly where we are with ticket prices and when there's allegedly 30,000 on a waiting list and every game is sold out, you can't really blame the club when they know that the more money they can bring in, the better quality players we can sign.
They're damned if they do and damned if they don't - keep ticket prices low, have less money than our competitors, buy shitter players - they get panned. Do what they're doing to support the best manager we've had in decades - they get panned. There's no easy answer unfortunately - it's just a massive shame for long-serving fans who end up having to give up going because it's just not affordable anymore.
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As usual the process to renew is proving problematic. The online/digital account system doesn’t work for me and I’ve been hanging on the phone for over an hour now.
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Ask any Spurs fans at the moment if the "matchday experience" makes up for getting absolutely humped by the likes of Newcastle whilst paying comfortably the most expensive ticket prices in the league (https://www.statista.com/statistics/328654/premier-league-teams-ranked-by-most-expensive-season-ticket-price/).
I don't care how nice the concourse is (and it is very nice at the new WHL), it doesn't justify paying 3x what it costs to watch the Villa.
And yes, a 15% increase is a pisstake, but unfortunately football operates in a competitive vacuum, so just like no top-flight professional footballer "earns" the amount he's paid, if you want to compete, you have to pay the going rate. That's exactly where we are with ticket prices and when there's allegedly 30,000 on a waiting list and every game is sold out, you can't really blame the club when they know that the more money they can bring in, the better quality players we can sign.
They're damned if they do and damned if they don't - keep ticket prices low, have less money than our competitors, buy shitter players - they get panned. Do what they're doing to support the best manager we've had in decades - they get panned. There's no easy answer unfortunately - it's just a massive shame for long-serving fans who end up having to give up going because it's just not affordable anymore.
Nobody has ever said that having decent facilities should be instead of having a good team to watch, or that one makes up for not having the other.
That season ticket price you've quoted is their most expensive 1882 Club ticket, and includes free food and drink, so you're not really comparing like with like. Obviously most of their tickets are more expensive than ours, but then they're in London in a new billion pound stadium, so you'd expect them to be. A quick fag packet calculation shows the average adult season ticket there is about £1,050ish, or about £55 a game. Even given their recent troubles, they're still 5th and have finished lower than 6th once in the last 14 years so they're mostly used to decent results watched in an excellent stadium.
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After dutifully responding to the email to renew my ST, I got as far as the pre-chackout to be told that our 2 seats of 20+ years have been taken??
When I refreshed the page the following message came up:
'Error: A potentially dangerous Request detected in one of the fields. Please correct the offensive value and try again.'
Reading this, I felt as though I had abseiled down the Trinity stand holding a suspicious package!
How to win friends and influence people... Still no stadium-wide guide to ticket prices on the official site - unless someone knows/can advise where to find?
Where do you sit? Are you in the new 1888 area (B3, b4 and a bit of B5)?
(https://i.ibb.co/q7mvbFv/06a8f780-e293-11ed-810a-c7149b6bed21.jpg) (https://ibb.co/q7mvbFv)
Not a season ticket query. But can anyone explain to me why A3 is cheaper than A5.
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As usual the process to renew is proving problematic. The online/digital account system doesn’t work for me and I’ve been hanging on the phone for over an hour now.
Why not wait a bit, you've plenty of time before the deadline.
It's matchday, there will be loads of people doing the same and if it's a straightforward renewal I'd reckon you could wait until a quieter time?
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After dutifully responding to the email to renew my ST, I got as far as the pre-chackout to be told that our 2 seats of 20+ years have been taken??
When I refreshed the page the following message came up:
'Error: A potentially dangerous Request detected in one of the fields. Please correct the offensive value and try again.'
Reading this, I felt as though I had abseiled down the Trinity stand holding a suspicious package!
How to win friends and influence people... Still no stadium-wide guide to ticket prices on the official site - unless someone knows/can advise where to find?
Where do you sit? Are you in the new 1888 area (B3, b4 and a bit of B5)?
(https://i.ibb.co/q7mvbFv/06a8f780-e293-11ed-810a-c7149b6bed21.jpg) (https://ibb.co/q7mvbFv)
Not a season ticket query. But can anyone explain to me why A3 is cheaper than A5.
A5 is more central
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As usual the process to renew is proving problematic. The online/digital account system doesn’t work for me and I’ve been hanging on the phone for over an hour now.
You've got until the end of May. Relax a bit.
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As usual the process to renew is proving problematic. The online/digital account system doesn’t work for me and I’ve been hanging on the phone for over an hour now.
You've got until the end of May. Relax a bit.
He can't control himself
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Not a season ticket query. But can anyone explain to me why A3 is cheaper than A5.
I am guessing A3 is similar in situation/ location to A6 whereas A4 and A5 are more or less 1 large block split into 2 situated on the half way line, I am in A5 and a guy who sat in the same row as me moved seats last season, ticket office told him if he moved towards The Holte by approx. 10 seats, his ticket would be a lot cheaper from what he was paying where he originally sat
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I'm in T1 so I'm taking it as some sort of win that my ticket is 'only' going up the 15% and not a whole category + 15%. Which it would have done if I was literally the other side of the aisle in T2.
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*Poll added.
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I was expecting an increase, but I was still a bit surprised with £779 for my K4 seat. Haven't given a thought to not renewing though.
The reality is that competing at the top-end of the Premier League is really expensive and if we are to get the success we all crave it's going to cost.
I do wish they would spend more money on the kiosks though, too few staff and nobody seems hurried to serve anyone. I bet they could increase the revenue significantly if everyone who wanted a drink or pie could actually get served without missing half the game or finding they've run out.
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I do wish they would spend more money on the kiosks though, too few staff and nobody seems hurried to serve anyone. I bet they could increase the revenue significantly if everyone who wanted a drink or pie could actually get served without missing half the game or finding they've run out.
They couldn’t care less about it, if they did they’d hold their service providers to account and ensure they delivered an adequate service.
In the grand scheme of Premier League a few thousand extra a game in income is small fry, clearly not enough to make the club get their fingers out to sort it.
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Seems the majority have gone up 26% since 20/21 season
I'm in K2 and its gone from
575
633
728 next season
On this basis we will be looking at £1k come season 26/27 - utterly wrong imo
Meanwhile Leicester have had theirs frozen for 8 of the last 9 seasons.
I get the income rational due to way ffp etc works but this extra really doesn't even touch the sides. A £120 rise across 30k is only £3.6m extra income. Yet we are the ones who suffer and feel the effects.
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£3.6m. One squad players annual wages.
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£3.6m. One squad players annual wages.
Or the additional money Wet Spam could pay us for Danny Ings if they stay up?
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£3.6m. One squad players annual wages.
I thought this. But if they froze them this season the income gap gets bigger and if they try to start bridging this with a 20% increase next year people aren't going to look back and say fine, they froze them last year.
I'm against the 15% increase and think they're really taking the piss with things like the new Holte bar, but I can see why they feel they need to start bridging the income gap. The continued shit facilities whilst they raise these prices are not acceptable though.
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I take it the 15% increase is a base figure. I'm a septuagenarian in T2 (right next to T1) and my senior's ticket is going up from £345 to £517. Yes...67%.
Is Michelle Mone involved behind the scenes?
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I do wish they would spend more money on the kiosks though, too few staff and nobody seems hurried to serve anyone. I bet they could increase the revenue significantly if everyone who wanted a drink or pie could actually get served without missing half the game or finding they've run out.
This infuriates me more than anything. I worked in pubs in my younger years, and I can remember it being like a cardio workout for 6hrs straight (longer with the lock-ins!).
You look along the counter at Villa Park and most of them are just fucking stood there clueless! Not sure if it's just a generational thing or whether it's inept management just need to get a grip - I'd hazard a guess at both!
They could easily double their revenue (and probably the rest) if they sorted out prematch/half time counter efficiency.
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I do wish they would spend more money on the kiosks though, too few staff and nobody seems hurried to serve anyone. I bet they could increase the revenue significantly if everyone who wanted a drink or pie could actually get served without missing half the game or finding they've run out.
This infuriates me more than anything. I worked in pubs in my younger years, and I can remember it being like a cardio workout for 6hrs straight (longer with the lock-ins!).
You look along the counter at Villa Park and most of them are just fucking stood there clueless! Not sure if it's just a generational thing or whether it's inept management just need to get a grip - I'd hazard a guess at both!
They could easily double their revenue (and probably the rest) if they sorted out prematch/half time counter efficiency.
The quality and range of what is on offer is pretty poor too. Plenty of other grounds / clubs have street-food style vendors on the approach to grounds. I know there are occasionally some outside the Trinity, but 4/5 to serve 40,000 people isn't really adequate.
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I do wish they would spend more money on the kiosks though, too few staff and nobody seems hurried to serve anyone. I bet they could increase the revenue significantly if everyone who wanted a drink or pie could actually get served without missing half the game or finding they've run out.
This infuriates me more than anything. I worked in pubs in my younger years, and I can remember it being like a cardio workout for 6hrs straight (longer with the lock-ins!).
You look along the counter at Villa Park and most of them are just fucking stood there clueless! Not sure if it's just a generational thing or whether it's inept management just need to get a grip - I'd hazard a guess at both!
They could easily double their revenue (and probably the rest) if they sorted out prematch/half time counter efficiency.
As a veteran of one shift at Carrow Road working in the catering booths as a student, if they run the VP operation like they did back then in Norwich, it'll be because the agency staff turn up, report to a 'supervisor' (who'd probably done their first shift the week before and had been rewarded for their loyalty with a promotion, netting them an extra 30p per hour), who doesn't know what to tell them. They don't tell you to show up an hour before the fans do to get you settled and oriented - they'd have to pay an extra hour's wage, after all.
So you're thrown in at the deep end, with no idea where anything is or how the tills work. It was a disaster. And all because of this race to the bottom outsourcing, which reveals a singular lack of a fuck being given by those above about the service received by their loyal 'customers'.
Tory Britain again*.
*There was a Labour government when I did my character-building afternoon at Carrow Road. But that was a Tory government when it came to outsourcing to ghouls like G4S, Capita, Serco etc.
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I’ve renewed my 3 ST’s because I’m loaded and considerably richer than yoww
can anyone lend me a tenner ?
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Seat price up from £440 to £584!
Also, 'Your current season ticket seat is set to be impacted by the introduction of Rail Seating within the Holte End. As you are currently occupying standard seats in the back of Upper Holte, if you do not wish to have a rail seat you will be provided with the option to relocate'.
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The Holte is fine from my point of view but then for me ‘match day experience’ means seeing a good game of football.
What sort of weirdo are you?
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My dad, a season ticket holder since the 60s, had this particular seat since Acker pulled his name out of Doug's hat when the Witton Lane Upper opened, and 86 years young renewed yesterday... they have taken away his concession so he has to pay full whack.
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My dad, a season ticket holder since the 60s, had this particular seat since Acker pulled his name out of Doug's hat when the Witton Lane Upper opened, and 86 years young renewed yesterday... they have taken away his concession so he has to pay full whack.
That's an absolute disgrace...Have they given any indication why!!!
He's over 66 FFS
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Nope, it's all online. He found the new price in the same way I guess we all did, by renewing. My 13yo son pays full price for that area and I kind of get that, because it's a new seat for him, but makes no sense for my dad. He has tried - and failed - to talk to the ticket office; always engaged. I hope it's just computer error.
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My dad, a season ticket holder since the 60s, had this particular seat since Acker pulled his name out of Doug's hat when the Witton Lane Upper opened, and 86 years young renewed yesterday... they have taken away his concession so he has to pay full whack.
There’s a drop down where you select the the ticket type but the default is for the standard price. If your dad hasn’t clocked that it might explain why he has been overcharged.
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I have had a season ticket in the middle Upper Trinity / Doug Ellis for approx. 12 years, and so has my dad who is 77.
He has never been given an OAP discount in this area because they phased the OAP discount out many years ago because it is considered a "premium" area and only gave it to people who already had the discount - so you had to have had the same seat since before, let's say approx. 2008, and you had to have been over 65 in, let's say approx. 2008. My dad missed out by a couple of years.
One year they gave him the discount by accident and then phoned him a few days later and took it straight back off him.
Although when he goes to renew, it shows an OAP reduction, if you try and select it, it says it is not available in that area. It was the same last year.
The cynical side of me is thinking that if what has been said above about the guy's dad "paying full whack" is correct, the reason why this year, for the first time ever, they are showing a map of the ground but without the usual prices or concession prices, is that they might have got fed up of waiting for the older people in these premium areas to stop renewing and have decided just to take the concessions away in these areas, and don't want to advertise the fact.
Edit: I found the concession prices and rules from 2020 /21. I can't get the image to insert so have posted a link.
https://ibb.co/KmNqyKT
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My dad, a season ticket holder since the 60s, had this particular seat since Acker pulled his name out of Doug's hat when the Witton Lane Upper opened, and 86 years young renewed yesterday... they have taken away his concession so he has to pay full whack.
There’s a drop down where you select the the ticket type but the default is for the standard price. If your dad hasn’t clocked that it might explain why he has been overcharged.
My dad is an absolute Luddite (eg on Monday, he took his computer to be 'fixed' because he couldn't find the cursor) so he called the ticket office to renew. Apparently he spoke to a new guy who simply said "no concessions". He called back today and has indeed received the lower price. However, it has still gone up from 489 GBP to 649 GBP, a 25% increase.
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I do wish they would spend more money on the kiosks though, too few staff and nobody seems hurried to serve anyone. I bet they could increase the revenue significantly if everyone who wanted a drink or pie could actually get served without missing half the game or finding they've run out.
This infuriates me more than anything. I worked in pubs in my younger years, and I can remember it being like a cardio workout for 6hrs straight (longer with the lock-ins!).
You look along the counter at Villa Park and most of them are just fucking stood there clueless! Not sure if it's just a generational thing or whether it's inept management just need to get a grip - I'd hazard a guess at both!
They could easily double their revenue (and probably the rest) if they sorted out prematch/half time counter efficiency.
The quality and range of what is on offer is pretty poor too. Plenty of other grounds / clubs have street-food style vendors on the approach to grounds. I know there are occasionally some outside the Trinity, but 4/5 to serve 40,000 people isn't really adequate.
Yes, I’d love the chance to get some Falafel and maybe a none alcoholic cocktail before taking my seat.
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I’d gladly pay less if they did an eighties/nineties version of a season ticket.
A Luke warm pint of Carling, choice of two pie filings and Bovril. You have to stand next to chain smoker (cigars) and occasionally dodge a coin. Picking yourself off the floor after a goal… ohh the good olde days
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They are making more complicated than they need to . Keep the food and drink simple
reduce the range but get it ready beforehand
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They are making more complicated than they need to . Keep the food and drink simple
reduce the range but get it ready beforehand
Reduce the range? What do you go down to from pie, sausage roll and crisps (in the Witton) or add in a Nacho dog and chips with curry sauce in the Holte?
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I do wish they would spend more money on the kiosks though, too few staff and nobody seems hurried to serve anyone. I bet they could increase the revenue significantly if everyone who wanted a drink or pie could actually get served without missing half the game or finding they've run out.
This infuriates me more than anything. I worked in pubs in my younger years, and I can remember it being like a cardio workout for 6hrs straight (longer with the lock-ins!).
You look along the counter at Villa Park and most of them are just fucking stood there clueless! Not sure if it's just a generational thing or whether it's inept management just need to get a grip - I'd hazard a guess at both!
They could easily double their revenue (and probably the rest) if they sorted out prematch/half time counter efficiency.
The quality and range of what is on offer is pretty poor too. Plenty of other grounds / clubs have street-food style vendors on the approach to grounds. I know there are occasionally some outside the Trinity, but 4/5 to serve 40,000 people isn't really adequate.
Yes, I’d love the chance to get some Falafel and maybe a none alcoholic cocktail before taking my seat.
....don't forget that your seat would also be adorned with a half n half scarf for each match, to allow you to take that selfie overlooking the pitch to post for all your followers.
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They are making more complicated than they need to . Keep the food and drink simple
reduce the range but get it ready beforehand
If they reduce the range in Upper Witton they might as well shut it down :/)
The most infuriating to me everytime is watching them spending 30 odd seconds a time pouring a can of beer / cider into plastic pint glasses….utterly utterly pathetic that cans poured is part of the offering
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They are making more complicated than they need to . Keep the food and drink simple
reduce the range but get it ready beforehand
If they reduce the range in Upper Witton they might as well shut it down :/)
The most infuriating to me everytime is watching them spending 30 odd seconds a time pouring a can of beer / cider into plastic pint glasses….utterly utterly pathetic that cans poured is part of the offering
The new beauty is watching them
take coke bottle tops off which are now supplied to stay on . Then watching your pie walk around the kitchen looking for chips
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The ST holders in the Upper Holte should have their tickets subsidised by these posh interlopers in the new bar, after all they are part of the entertainment for them, like zoo exhibits. Roll up, roll up, come and see the working class in their own habitat, see them swear, throw beer around and moan about how we piss about at the back. Like a sporting Bedlam.
'Oh Archie, you simply must come along, its so edgy'
Cant they fuck off and gentrify something else.
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For another £500 the new corporate visitors could throw food at the indigenous folk
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I sit in B3 block and there are no concessions in that area either. Same as someone else said, I thought I’d cracked it a few years ago as I was given the concession price, which I gladly accepted. However, within 48 hours I received a phone call to say there had been a mistake so I had to them pay full price.
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I sit in B3 block and there are no concessions in that area either. Same as someone else said, I thought I’d cracked it a few years ago as I was given the concession price, which I gladly accepted. However, within 48 hours I received a phone call to say there had been a mistake so I had to them pay full price.
And now you're in the 1888 price bracket too.
"The Club have also reviewed Blocks B3, B4 and B5 due to their proximity to hospitality with some of the best views within the stadium. Certain seats within these blocks will be upgraded to an ‘1888 seat’ which, for an increased price, includes a padded seat, club tie/scarf and other additional benefits."
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I do wish they would spend more money on the kiosks though, too few staff and nobody seems hurried to serve anyone. I bet they could increase the revenue significantly if everyone who wanted a drink or pie could actually get served without missing half the game or finding they've run out.
This infuriates me more than anything. I worked in pubs in my younger years, and I can remember it being like a cardio workout for 6hrs straight (longer with the lock-ins!).
You look along the counter at Villa Park and most of them are just fucking stood there clueless! Not sure if it's just a generational thing or whether it's inept management just need to get a grip - I'd hazard a guess at both!
They could easily double their revenue (and probably the rest) if they sorted out prematch/half time counter efficiency.
The quality and range of what is on offer is pretty poor too. Plenty of other grounds / clubs have street-food style vendors on the approach to grounds. I know there are occasionally some outside the Trinity, but 4/5 to serve 40,000 people isn't really adequate.
Yes, I’d love the chance to get some Falafel and maybe a none alcoholic cocktail before taking my seat.
....don't forget that your seat would also be adorned with a half n half scarf for each match, to allow you to take that selfie overlooking the pitch to post for all your followers.
Well this all got very sarcastic. I'm just suggesting some people might want some decent food, rather than paying the same price for a burger made of the offcuts of an unknown animal that got rejected for pet food.
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I do wish they would spend more money on the kiosks though, too few staff and nobody seems hurried to serve anyone. I bet they could increase the revenue significantly if everyone who wanted a drink or pie could actually get served without missing half the game or finding they've run out.
This infuriates me more than anything. I worked in pubs in my younger years, and I can remember it being like a cardio workout for 6hrs straight (longer with the lock-ins!).
You look along the counter at Villa Park and most of them are just fucking stood there clueless! Not sure if it's just a generational thing or whether it's inept management just need to get a grip - I'd hazard a guess at both!
They could easily double their revenue (and probably the rest) if they sorted out prematch/half time counter efficiency.
The quality and range of what is on offer is pretty poor too. Plenty of other grounds / clubs have street-food style vendors on the approach to grounds. I know there are occasionally some outside the Trinity, but 4/5 to serve 40,000 people isn't really adequate.
Yes, I’d love the chance to get some Falafel and maybe a none alcoholic cocktail before taking my seat.
....don't forget that your seat would also be adorned with a half n half scarf for each match, to allow you to take that selfie overlooking the pitch to post for all your followers.
Well this all got very sarcastic. I'm just suggesting some people might want some decent food, rather than paying the same price for a burger made of the offcuts of an unknown animal that got rejected for pet food.
lad next me in the Holte suite purchased chips and curry,he said it was shit and hardly ate it, noticed someone else left there food as well and took sometime to get served
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They just need to get the basic stuff right. Make it easy and enjoyable to eat and drink. Decent quality stuff for an appropriate price. Maybe one food item that we do brilliantly and become renowned for. Instead of bland, boring and with a long wait, that pretty much makes you go elsewhere for food/drink before the game.
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They just need to get the basic stuff right. Make it easy and enjoyable to eat and drink. Decent quality stuff for an appropriate price. Maybe one food item that we do brilliantly and become renowned for. Instead of bland, boring and with a long wait, that pretty much makes you go elsewhere for food/drink before the game.
The Punjabi grill tikka & chips may be the one getting that rep.
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I sit in B3 block and there are no concessions in that area either. Same as someone else said, I thought I’d cracked it a few years ago as I was given the concession price, which I gladly accepted. However, within 48 hours I received a phone call to say there had been a mistake so I had to them pay full price.
And now you're in the 1888 price bracket too.
"The Club have also reviewed Blocks B3, B4 and B5 due to their proximity to hospitality with some of the best views within the stadium. Certain seats within these blocks will be upgraded to an ‘1888 seat’ which, for an increased price, includes a padded seat, club tie/scarf and other additional benefits."
Apologies if this has already been mentioned, but how much extra are they asking for the upgrade?
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Kid on twitter has apparently been told by the club that they’re no longer offering student concessions.
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Kid on twitter has apparently been told by the club that they’re no longer offering student concessions.
I'm not saying that's right or wrong but one thing I did notice on Tuesday night as the TV cameras panned to the Lower Holte, was just how old the average Villa fan was. It was like a scene from The Wanderers with the Baldies teaming up with Mike Leigh's A Sense of History.
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They just need to get the basic stuff right. Make it easy and enjoyable to eat and drink. Decent quality stuff for an appropriate price. Maybe one food item that we do brilliantly and become renowned for. Instead of bland, boring and with a long wait, that pretty much makes you go elsewhere for food/drink before the game.
i think that's what they're trying to do, but charging people in the upper holte £25 a match for the privilege...
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Kid on twitter has apparently been told by the club that they’re no longer offering student concessions.
With the Club deciding to hide all the prices and concessions this year, it's hard to tell what's true.
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Kid on twitter has apparently been told by the club that they’re no longer offering student concessions.
It's 100% true
And a total disgrace
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It’s pretty rough, this. Timing seems cynical too - the team is flying and they announce huge price increases and booting out concessions for students.
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It’s pretty rough, this. Timing seems cynical too - the team is flying and they announce huge price increases and booting out concessions for students.
I hate it , they have us over a barrel don’t they. It’s like it or lump it. Crazy to see Villa “my team” gradually being taken away from me. I can afford it next season, but as soon as they upgrade my seats to prawn+ that’s likely game over for me. If I can’t sit near my mates then a large chunk of why I go has gone…. No doubt I’ll probably be watching us win something decent on TV….
To have no concessions, to only let folks know at renewal that their seats are changing/upgrading. To increase by so much too.. shameful
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Well the club have got the season ticket holders in checkmate. Surrender your seat now and may never see it again for years. However as an act of defiance I shall never spend another penny inside the stadium or the club shop, only in the urinals. Perhaps Purslow will do an O'Leary and find a way for charging for this!
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I've tried to renew but cannot get past log in because they keep telling me my email address is wrong. I have had this confirmed by email!
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It’s pretty rough, this. Timing seems cynical too - the team is flying and they announce huge price increases and booting out concessions for students.
I hate it , they have us over a barrel don’t they. It’s like it or lump it. Crazy to see Villa “my team” gradually being taken away from me. I can afford it next season, but as soon as they upgrade my seats to prawn+ that’s likely game over for me. If I can’t sit near my mates then a large chunk of why I go has gone…. No doubt I’ll probably be watching us win something decent on TV….
To have no concessions, to only let folks know at renewal that their seats are changing/upgrading. To increase by so much too.. shameful
Couldn’t agree more Frank and that’s where I am with it as well. I love this club but there’s a line that should never be crossed. It’s not just an Aston Villa issue but I’m only bothered with our club.
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Kid on twitter has apparently been told by the club that they’re no longer offering student concessions.
I think that’s been the case for a few years with the concessions being age related rather than for students, which kind of makes sense because I had a student card when I was doing a management qualification & was already earning good money whereas most 18 year olds, student or not, are on a low income.
That said, I have no idea whether they have the same age related concessions now either.
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Kid on twitter has apparently been told by the club that they’re no longer offering student concessions.
I think that’s been the case for a few years with the concessions being age related rather than for students, which kind of makes sense because I had a student card when I was doing a management qualification & was already earning good money whereas most 18 year olds, student or not, are on a low income.
That said, I have no idea whether they have the same age related concessions now either.
From what I remember when I was at uni, you had to prove you were in full time education but I can't remember if there was an age bracket too.
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It seems to me that we've gone back to the old days of getting more money from the same amount of people rather than getting money from more people. At least Doug pretended to have our interests at heart; this lot just see us as 40,000 cash machines.
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I reject the implication that because the owners have put their hands in their pockets it's now our turn.
On the face of it it seems a fair and simple argument to make but given the previously mentioned cost of living issues etc, and the fact billionaires have made more money than ever since the pandemic began, it just doesn't hold water. It's not the same - £400,000,000 to two individuals worth, what, £10bn(?) is 0.4% of their combined fortune and that's over multiple years. The extra costs ordinary people on average wages are facing is way in excess of that and only over the last 12 months.
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The pathetic excuses from Purslow and co.are a disgrace. With the money they earn, they haven’t got a clue how difficult it is for ordinary people having to pay the extra amount. In terms of revenue, it’s a drop in the ocean for the Club so, why don’t they try upping their game on other revenue streams instead of being totally lazy buggers and fleecing us supporters yet again.
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The pathetic excuses from Purslow and co.are a disgrace. With the money they earn, they haven’t got a clue how difficult it is for ordinary people having to pay the extra amount. In terms of revenue, it’s a drop in the ocean for the Club so, why don’t they try upping their game on other revenue streams instead of being totally lazy buggers and fleecing us supporters yet again.
We do seem to be paying for the lack of commercial acumen and Steven Gerrard's compo.
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I reject the implication that because the owners have put their hands in their pockets it's now our turn.
On the face of it it seems a fair and simple argument to make but given the previously mentioned cost of living issues etc, and the fact billionaires have made more money than ever since the pandemic began, it just doesn't hold water. It's not the same - £400,000,000 to two individuals worth, what, £10bn(?) is 0.4% of their combined fortune and that's over multiple years. The extra costs ordinary people on average wages are facing is way in excess of that and only over the last 12 months.
Well, quite. When they sell us at what will be presumably a massive profit, I doubt they intend to share that profit with ST holders. The club is their asset. If they want the value of the asset to grow, they need to invest in it. And, fair play to them, they have and they are, which is great for us as fans, but what they do with their filthy lucre is up to them.
Should supporters have been consulted before they put the release clause in Grealish's contract? Of course not. It's a private business, it can do what it likes.
The idea that supporters somehow 'owe' them is bizarre.
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I can see both sides on this one. As a season ticket holder who pays for 4 STs it makes quite a dent, and I know some others are not so fortunate and this rise will price them out.
But the increases only put us to 11th on the ST cost league table as I understand it so in relative terms we’re not bad value.
Most importantly there is a 30k waiting list. Only 40k people can watch us each week, and is not totally obvious to me that it’s fairer to say to those waiting list people who want to watch us that they can’t, and instead to let others continue to do so year after year at a low price, just because they were there first.
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The pathetic excuses from Purslow and co.are a disgrace. With the money they earn, they haven’t got a clue how difficult it is for ordinary people having to pay the extra amount. In terms of revenue, it’s a drop in the ocean for the Club so, why don’t they try upping their game on other revenue streams instead of being totally lazy buggers and fleecing us supporters yet again.
We do seem to be paying for the lack of commercial acumen and Steven Gerrard's compo.
All down to Purslow.
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I reject the implication that because the owners have put their hands in their pockets it's now our turn.
On the face of it it seems a fair and simple argument to make but given the previously mentioned cost of living issues etc, and the fact billionaires have made more money than ever since the pandemic began, it just doesn't hold water. It's not the same - £400,000,000 to two individuals worth, what, £10bn(?) is 0.4% of their combined fortune and that's over multiple years. The extra costs ordinary people on average wages are facing is way in excess of that and only over the last 12 months.
It is also worth pointing out that as much as the owners have put into the club and have saved us from bankruptcy, it’s also conversely true that if they were to sell us now or at some point in the future they will make a major profit.
As has been pointed out above, it’s almost like the fans are being made to pay for the mistakes of others. The amount likely to be received doesn’t justify the rationale. It’s more like arse covering if I’m being cynical.
I’m not sure if it’s relevant or it works in this way, but Purslow has some stake at the club? Would the increase in prices benefit? Unsure. Hoping others can provide insight.
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Claret and Blue podcast discussing it, published 3 hours ago
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I’m not sure if it’s relevant or it works in this way, but Purslow has some stake at the club? Would the increase in prices benefit? Unsure. Hoping others can provide insight.
Only in the sense that, the more profitable / less money losing the club is, at some point in the future if they sold up, his share would be worth more.
It's a very small % he has.
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I know this is going to make me sound like a tit, but, although it is galling to pay 700 quid for something that cost you 580 (random indicative figures), yes, it's a big jump, but the extra 120 quid these days is less than the sort of money you'd spend at the supermarket in a single week's feed.
What I am saying is, it's expensive, yes, but it was expensive to start with, it hasn't been a comparatively cheap 'cost of living' linked hobby for a long time.
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The pathetic excuses from Purslow and co.are a disgrace. With the money they earn, they haven’t got a clue how difficult it is for ordinary people having to pay the extra amount. In terms of revenue, it’s a drop in the ocean for the Club so, why don’t they try upping their game on other revenue streams instead of being totally lazy buggers and fleecing us supporters yet again.
We do seem to be paying for the lack of commercial acumen and Steven Gerrard's compo.
All down to Purslow.
The lack of decent commercial revenue performance pre-dates Purslow by several decades.
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I know this is going to make me sound like a tit, but, although it is galling to pay 700 quid for something that cost you 580 (random indicative figures), yes, it's a big jump, but the extra 120 quid these days is less than the sort of money you'd spend at the supermarket in a single week's feed.
What I am saying is, it's expensive, yes, but it was expensive to start with, it hasn't been a comparatively cheap 'cost of living' linked hobby for a long time.
You’re right, it does make you sound like a tit ;-)
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The pathetic excuses from Purslow and co.are a disgrace. With the money they earn, they haven’t got a clue how difficult it is for ordinary people having to pay the extra amount. In terms of revenue, it’s a drop in the ocean for the Club so, why don’t they try upping their game on other revenue streams instead of being totally lazy buggers and fleecing us supporters yet again.
We do seem to be paying for the lack of commercial acumen and Steven Gerrard's compo.
All down to Purslow.
The lack of decent commercial revenue performance pre-dates Purslow by several decades.
Yep it’s been a problem since the late 80s when these types of things started becoming important. Every owner since has been asleep at the wheel.
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Yes, but Purslow is the man in position at this moment in time so, it’s for him to come up with some commercial ideas.
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Yes, but Purslow is the man in position at this moment in time so, it’s for him to come up with some commercial ideas.
Season ticket prices being one of them.
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I guess we'll soon see if Wilma is correct.
It's only galling because it's a big hike now. It was always going to happen, because that's how modern football works. I'm not saying it's right or that I agree but that's the way this shit works. We want it all and the club are making us pay for it.
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Yes, but Purslow is the man in position at this moment in time so, it’s for him to come up with some commercial ideas.
Yes he has been CEO for several years now and has shown no commercial acumen in respect of Sponsorship, Merchandise, Catering. He blew the Greasy windfall, hired Gerrard.
He won the lottery with NSWE.
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I guess we'll soon see if Wilma is correct.
It's only galling because it's a big hike now. It was always going to happen, because that's how modern football works. I'm not saying it's right or that I agree but that's the way this shit works. We want it all and the club are making us pay for it.
We can say “it was always going to happen” but why? Why have we got inflation busting increases over two years, when inflation is so high, that it’s actually going some to bust it. As others have stated the money generated by ticket sales is a relative drop in the ocean compared to the other revenue streams. The ordinary working class fan should never be priced out of going to the games. I expected our owners and chief executive to show a little class by being reasonable with any increase, especially in the current economic climate.
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Manchester United have now moved the concession for 65 year olds to 66 years now
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Ironically, the only owner who tried horizontal rather than vertical marketing was Lerner for a couple of years, then he gave up.
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The absolutely infuriating thing about all this is they send out these surveys , we say we want better facilities (most of us just want simplicity and speed) none of our suggestions are put in place and then we end up with a fucking bolt-on package . You can guarantee that the poor fuckers in the upper Doug and Trinity paying the most won't have improvements on the concourses.
Another thing , if we're paying premium prices any chance of having clean toilets that aren't like a dodgy nightclub at 2am. They need monitoring and cleaning...when I'm paying £400 for the season I don't care when it's doubled I want a nice environment and proper facilities .
They could make it so much easier and simple but don't listen. All this fancy chicken etc at a ridiculous price.
why they don't have self serve coffee machines??
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Fucking hell.
A Flin5tone post I agree with in its entirety.
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Can't you add something like "2,000 tickets left still for Spurs, disgraceful" just for old time's sake?
Or DISGRACE?
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HELP
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It seems to me that we've gone back to the old days of getting more money from the same amount of people rather than getting money from more people. At least Doug pretended to have our interests at heart; this lot just see us as 40,000 cash machines.
I must say, when reading the notes of the supporters consultation meeting, I was struck by how many people were managers with 'commercial' in the job title, the combined efforts of these people not amounting to much beyond 'lets fleece the usual suspects for a lot more because we know we can'.
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It seems to me that we've gone back to the old days of getting more money from the same amount of people rather than getting money from more people. At least Doug pretended to have our interests at heart; this lot just see us as 40,000 cash machines.
That’s not right.
We’re - with the new north and the consistent current sell outs - surely getting more money from more people?
I understand the concerns about this lot but if have them above Ellis under absolutely any criteria out there.
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It seems to me that we've gone back to the old days of getting more money from the same amount of people rather than getting money from more people. At least Doug pretended to have our interests at heart; this lot just see us as 40,000 cash machines.
That’s not right.
We’re - with the new north and the consistent current sell outs - surely getting more money from more people?
I understand the concerns about this lot but if have them above Ellis under absolutely any criteria out there.
They seem to be just looking at the match-going supporter, and not going for commercial opportunities.
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Can the Club please reduce the increase now that we have dropped to 6th place!!
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The absolutely infuriating thing about all this is they send out these surveys , we say we want better facilities (most of us just want simplicity and speed) none of our suggestions are put in place and then we end up with a fucking bolt-on package . You can guarantee that the poor fuckers in the upper Doug and Trinity paying the most won't have improvements on the concourses.
Another thing , if we're paying premium prices any chance of having clean toilets that aren't like a dodgy nightclub at 2am. They need monitoring and cleaning...when I'm paying £400 for the season I don't care when it's doubled I want a nice environment and proper facilities .
They could make it so much easier and simple but don't listen. All this fancy chicken etc at a ridiculous price.
why they don't have self serve coffee machines??
Based.
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I haven't seen it mentioned elsewhere on this thread so apologies if I have missed it, but to add insult to the injury of the price hike for STs, I've also lost my seat, along with a hundred or so others in the last four rows of L4, which have been commandeered for the accessibility "upgrades" in the Lower Holte. The way the club has handled this (i.e. tumbleweed) has been nothing short of disgraceful. No prior consultation with those affected and I, at least, have as yet to receive ANY communication on the matter whatsoever. I heard the news at the Fulham game from others around me who had contacted the ticket office to renew their season tickets only to be told that they wouldn't be able to, and that someone from the club would be in touch to discuss options - no other information was forthcoming. I called the ticket office yesterday to be told the same thing. As yet, still no contact from the club. It feels as if the club has thought, well, there's only a hundred or so affected, so only a tiny percentage of the fanbase to piss off, but to us in that area, many of whom have had season tickets for years (I've had that seat for the past 9 years), or even decades, it feels like the club doesn't really give a toss about fans actually attending games (other than trying to find more ways of relieving them of their cash through their crappy "gentrification" initiatives), and for those who've had season tickets for longer than the last 4 seasons since we returned to the PL, this is how we're repaid for our loyalty for the largely utter shite we've endured over the past decade or so. Our little L4 "community" is getting broken up, and that's the saddest part of the whole situation - THAT'S our match-day experience, not all the fanzone bollocks, GA+ facilities, etc. that Villa are peddling now, but I guess that doesn't bring in what the club wants, which is more and more money. Sadly, my love of the club, and "elite" football in general, has been further diminished by this experience (so far).
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Firstly, like Paulie, I agree with Fred, which is not something i thought I’d ever say.
I will renew soon, like i imagine lots of us will, mainly because the waiting list, exaggerated or not, fucks us all. I will go for the 8 month payment plan as I can’t afford the payment up front. I can just about afford the £30 extra a month compared to last years monthly payments, but its a big outlay, nearly a grand for me and my teenage kids.
But the rise, the way its been handled by the club, the spin of 15% when kids tickets are a greater increase again, the fact that even on my ticket history last years individual season ticket prices aren’t there to compare, the rise on top of last years rise, being close to 50% for me and my kids and the absolute pettiness of taking the cup games away. It all does leave a very bad taste after such a brilliant few months. It also feels there is no real way to make these feelings known, not that Purslow and his commercial monkeys, would give a shit.
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If enough people wrote to the club and local news papers things might change. What are the various fans forums for if not to raise these issues?
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Listened to MOMs podcast, and the guy on their who attends these meetings said that even senior management at Villa tip toe around Purslow as he is not someone to be messed with.
The supporters group could have all stood up and shouted "disgrace" and walked out, when Purslow mentioned the price increase, and it would not have made a jot of difference.
We have 2 choices, you either buy the season ticket or you don't.
Talking to the people who sit by me in the Lower Holte all are going to renew, because they can see we may be onto something special with Emery as our Manager.
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the fact that even on my ticket history last years individual season ticket prices aren’t there to compare
A kind soul explained to me how to do it on the first few pages of the thread.
Go the the History tab, then select Payments from the drop down box. It then breaks down the amounts paid for all transactions for all the ID numbers associated with yours.
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The sad reality is perhaps we seen this coming but didn't want to admit it to ourselves, for me it's going down the Villa, not worried about any entertainment or fancy meals, even having a drink in the ground, maybe it's a age thing,
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It seems to me that we've gone back to the old days of getting more money from the same amount of people rather than getting money from more people. At least Doug pretended to have our interests at heart; this lot just see us as 40,000 cash machines.
That’s not right.
We’re - with the new north and the consistent current sell outs - surely getting more money from more people?
I understand the concerns about this lot but if have them above Ellis under absolutely any criteria out there.
They seem to be just looking at the match-going supporter, and not going for commercial opportunities.
said to the brother about commercial activity, now we are getting noticed, sponsors will be looking and thinking, this Aston Villa Football Club seems to going places, what about investing now before they really take off, Manchester United shirt deal is approximately 47 million a year for 5 years and that's just to have the name on the front of the shirt
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It seems to me that we've gone back to the old days of getting more money from the same amount of people rather than getting money from more people. At least Doug pretended to have our interests at heart; this lot just see us as 40,000 cash machines.
That’s not right.
We’re - with the new north and the consistent current sell outs - surely getting more money from more people?
I understand the concerns about this lot but if have them above Ellis under absolutely any criteria out there.
They seem to be just looking at the match-going supporter, and not going for commercial opportunities.
said to the brother about commercial activity, now we are getting noticed, sponsors will be looking and thinking, this Aston Villa Football Club seems to going places, what about investing now before they really take off, Manchester United shirt deal is approximately 47 million a year for 5 years and that's just to have the name on the front of the shirt
A progressive smart CEO would be focusing on these arrangements not on fleecing the match going supporters.
Purslow knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
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I’ve been hit with the double whammy of eye watering price hikes as well as my son now being 14, which means his price category has jumped from U14 to U18.
Do the club think 14 year olds earn a salary or something?
So my cost of one adult plus one child ticket in the Holte has jumped 60% in two years. Ouch.
2021 £729
2022 £847
2023 £1168
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Imagine if they had organised decent catering and the ability to buy a drink look at the money they are failing to collect every match day.
But lets nail another Cazoo billboard to the Trinity, its like the Harry Hill Beds Beds Beds sketch.
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It seems to me that we've gone back to the old days of getting more money from the same amount of people rather than getting money from more people. At least Doug pretended to have our interests at heart; this lot just see us as 40,000 cash machines.
That’s not right.
We’re - with the new north and the consistent current sell outs - surely getting more money from more people?
I understand the concerns about this lot but if have them above Ellis under absolutely any criteria out there.
They seem to be just looking at the match-going supporter, and not going for commercial opportunities.
said to the brother about commercial activity, now we are getting noticed, sponsors will be looking and thinking, this Aston Villa Football Club seems to going places, what about investing now before they really take off, Manchester United shirt deal is approximately 47 million a year for 5 years and that's just to have the name on the front of the shirt
A progressive smart CEO would be focusing on these arrangements not on fleecing the match going supporters.
Purslow knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
You'd have to be a proper tin foil hat type to think he's genuinely not focusing on commercial agreements.
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I know the club needs to operate as a business , but Gate receipts are now far less important when you factor in TV money. If I was being cynical , I would think the club want the new tourist supporter spending shit loads of money in the club shop, club bars and other money making ventures. It's far easier to fleece money from a day tripping tourist than a regular who brings their own flask of tea ! ( I have seen this, don't know how they get that past the stewards)
Don't think the club have read the room very well on this one. The worrying thing is , if genuine long time supporter make the tough decision that they can't afford it , their ticket will , I'm sure , be snapped up.
If that happens the club can continue to raise prices at the current steep rate. I know we are business and are subject to supply and demand forces , but there's a cost of living crisis and a lot of people have had to alter their spending accordingly.
It all adds up. 40K people all paying £300 more is £12m a year.
When you have one owner that owns a USA basketball team you can bet your life that fleecing as much as possible from the paying public is at the heart of everything going on here. I went to MSG to watch the Knicks for example - I could not move for merchandise stands and paid the princely sum of $16 for a pint of ale (not BUD mind). The problem is they are comparing apples and pears in terms of the cultural nuances between football fans here and fans over there that go for a family day out and for the 'experience'
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Imagine if they had organised decent catering and the ability to buy a drink look at the money they are failing to collect every match day.
But lets nail another Cazoo billboard to the Trinity, its like the Harry Hill Beds Beds Beds sketch.
If they could offer a decent pint at a reasonable price and with decent service they could go someway to helping with the travel issues before and after the games
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The absolutely infuriating thing about all this is they send out these surveys , we say we want better facilities (most of us just want simplicity and speed)….
We’re told that the club have listened and have acted on the survey results. I’m not sure about anyone else, but when I filled in the questionnaire I never asked for a £500 quid a year members’ club in the Holte or a 15% hike in tickets. And I’ll bet my kidneys that absolutely nobody asked for the Lion to face the other fucking way.
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And I’ll bet my kidneys that absolutely nobody asked for the Lion to face the other fucking way.
"this represents the club turning it's back on the fans"
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I haven't seen it mentioned elsewhere on this thread so apologies if I have missed it, but to add insult to the injury of the price hike for STs, I've also lost my seat, along with a hundred or so others in the last four rows of L4, which have been commandeered for the accessibility "upgrades" in the Lower Holte. The way the club has handled this (i.e. tumbleweed) has been nothing short of disgraceful. No prior consultation with those affected and I, at least, have as yet to receive ANY communication on the matter whatsoever. I heard the news at the Fulham game from others around me who had contacted the ticket office to renew their season tickets only to be told that they wouldn't be able to, and that someone from the club would be in touch to discuss options - no other information was forthcoming. I called the ticket office yesterday to be told the same thing. As yet, still no contact from the club. It feels as if the club has thought, well, there's only a hundred or so affected, so only a tiny percentage of the fanbase to piss off, but to us in that area, many of whom have had season tickets for years (I've had that seat for the past 9 years), or even decades, it feels like the club doesn't really give a toss about fans actually attending games (other than trying to find more ways of relieving them of their cash through their crappy "gentrification" initiatives), and for those who've had season tickets for longer than the last 4 seasons since we returned to the PL, this is how we're repaid for our loyalty for the largely utter shite we've endured over the past decade or so. Our little L4 "community" is getting broken up, and that's the saddest part of the whole situation - THAT'S our match-day experience, not all the fanzone bollocks, GA+ facilities, etc. that Villa are peddling now, but I guess that doesn't bring in what the club wants, which is more and more money. Sadly, my love of the club, and "elite" football in general, has been further diminished by this experience (so far).
Wow. This is terrible treatment
You should be given plenty of notice and a seat in the best possible area of the Holte End/area of your choice at a discounted rate.
Sadly you are right , they do not care about us idiots who trundled down on a cold Tuesday night in the Championship when the top tier of the trinity road was even closed off because of some shit made up inflated waiting list
I'm not sure how this new disabled area will work at the back of the Holte? Where will people in chairs enter?
The whole thing is a disgrace and they couldn't care about loyal supporters
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It's a shame for anybody being forced to move, but you know, disabled fans deserve decent facilities and the ability to watch the game too.
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It's a shame for anybody being forced to move, but you know, disabled fans deserve decent facilities and the ability to watch the game too.
Absolutely, that's not the point though
Those supporters in L4 that are being moved , many who have been there for years should be looked after. The way they have gone about it is disgusting and shows they do not care AT ALL
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The absolutely infuriating thing about all this is they send out these surveys , we say we want better facilities (most of us just want simplicity and speed)….
We’re told that the club have listened and have acted on the survey results. I’m not sure about anyone else, but when I filled in the questionnaire I never asked for a £500 quid a year members’ club in the Holte or a 15% hike in tickets. And I’ll bet my kidneys that absolutely nobody asked for the Lion to face the other fucking way.
When I queried the reversing lion I was told that "everyone" had previously had no problem with it.
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It's a shame for anybody being forced to move, but you know, disabled fans deserve decent facilities and the ability to watch the game too.
Absolutely, that's not the point though
Those supporters in L4 that are being moved , many who have been there for years should be looked after. The way they have gone about it is disgusting and shows they do not care AT ALL
You don't know what they're going to be offered as an alternative, so maybe pipe down until you do.
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The absolutely infuriating thing about all this is they send out these surveys , we say we want better facilities (most of us just want simplicity and speed)….
We’re told that the club have listened and have acted on the survey results. I’m not sure about anyone else, but when I filled in the questionnaire I never asked for a £500 quid a year members’ club in the Holte or a 15% hike in tickets. And I’ll bet my kidneys that absolutely nobody asked for the Lion to face the other fucking way.
When I queried the reversing lion I was told that "everyone" had previously had no problem with it.
That just sounds like a teenager asking to be allowed to go to a party - 'Everyone else is going'.
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Imagine if they had organised decent catering and the ability to buy a drink look at the money they are failing to collect every match day.
But lets nail another Cazoo billboard to the Trinity, its like the Harry Hill Beds Beds Beds sketch.
This is what frustrates me. They manage to make something that should be so simple into something so hard. To the point where the only answer is to charge people £500 extra a season for a bar where they can actually buy a drink.
Even without spending millions on new technology here's an idea, just double the staff and double the beer pumps. Have people walking round the concourse with beer dispensers on their back. How much would that cost? And for the love of God do the same in the upper Witton too.
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It's a shame for anybody being forced to move, but you know, disabled fans deserve decent facilities and the ability to watch the game too.
Absolutely, that's not the point though
Those supporters in L4 that are being moved , many who have been there for years should be looked after. The way they have gone about it is disgusting and shows they do not care AT ALL
You don't know what they're going to be offered as an alternative, so maybe pipe down until you do.
They're going to be offered their pick of the available seating in the Holte (or elsewhere). Which won't be prime seats in big blocks next to all their mates, that's for sure. It's hard to get two seats together in the Holte let alone a bunch.
I agree we should have excellent disabled facilities, I'm just surprised there isn't a better solution than relocating 100 long term ST holders to house 8 spaces. Couldn't they make use of the corners etc?
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I think everyone would hope for more and better disabled spaces for our fellow supporters . From what I’ve read and heard the biggest issue from the supporters being moved is the total lack of communication from the club. Supporters only finding out when they went to renew. It would have been such a simple thing for the club to communicate before . I’m not saying that would pacify everyone, but it would have been a start.
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It's always been this way. We used to be sat on the back row of Witton Lane looking pretty much down the centre line of the pitch. The year after they finished the Trinity Road stand, Villa decided they wanted that stand to form the backdrop of matches on the telly (rather than the shitty Witton Lane as it used to be), so they evicted us for the Sky cameras.
I'm now seated in the middle of the Upper Trinity, but whenever Villa are on telly, it's pretty much from the viewpoint of my old seat.
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It's a shame for anybody being forced to move, but you know, disabled fans deserve decent facilities and the ability to watch the game too.
Absolutely, that's not the point though
Those supporters in L4 that are being moved , many who have been there for years should be looked after. The way they have gone about it is disgusting and shows they do not care AT ALL
You don't know what they're going to be offered as an alternative, so maybe pipe down until you do.
They're going to be offered their pick of the available seating in the Holte (or elsewhere). Which won't be prime seats in big blocks next to all their mates, that's for sure. It's hard to get two seats together in the Holte let alone a bunch.
I agree we should have excellent disabled facilities, I'm just surprised there isn't a better solution than relocating 100 long term ST holders to house 8 spaces. Couldn't they make use of the corners etc?
I'm sure it's not how you meant it, but sticking disabled fans in the corner isn't exactly equality or respectful.
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A simple letter to those being moved, explaining what and why and next steps and options, would have been simple and straightforward to do.
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It's a shame for anybody being forced to move, but you know, disabled fans deserve decent facilities and the ability to watch the game too.
Absolutely, that's not the point though
Those supporters in L4 that are being moved , many who have been there for years should be looked after. The way they have gone about it is disgusting and shows they do not care AT ALL
You don't know what they're going to be offered as an alternative, so maybe pipe down until you do.
They're going to be offered their pick of the available seating in the Holte (or elsewhere). Which won't be prime seats in big blocks next to all their mates, that's for sure. It's hard to get two seats together in the Holte let alone a bunch.
I agree we should have excellent disabled facilities, I'm just surprised there isn't a better solution than relocating 100 long term ST holders to house 8 spaces. Couldn't they make use of the corners etc?
I'm sure it's not how you meant it, but sticking disabled fans in the corner isn't exactly equality or respectful.
I know what you mean but I was thinking in a sensible manner, maybe using the space of one of the corporate boxes between the Holte and the Trinity, or below the screen (or move the screen) - there's seating below and either side so still be well in the atmosphere and action - that sort of thing. not an afterthought at ground floor level. I'm sure all options were considered, although I suspect they've taken the cheapest.
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wrong thread
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I'm sure it's not how you meant it, but sticking disabled fans in the corner isn't exactly equality or respectful.
As someone waiting for a wheelchair space, that's a much politer response than I was about to post!
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I've seen a few people comment about it being wrong for the owner's to expect us to pay more for the success of the team, when they could easily cough up a few more hundred million as it's little to them.
While I don't disagree with this at all, a real issue is FFP actively prevents them from doing this. FFP forces clubs to milk as much as they can from their overly loyal fanbases because it limits how much the billionaires can put in themselves.
Our last set of accounts shows about £16m from gate receipts for the 2020/21 season. With this seasons and next season's price increases, that could jump up to £20m. Add in extra revenue from more games if we hit Europe and have cup runs, another half a million+ if they max out this terrace idea, and another £7m or so once they get the capacity up to 52k... It's cash that we can spend on the pitch.
You can't get success without spending, but FFP says you can't spend unless you're already a success. The only way to eek out more unfortunately is to milk the hardworking fans to gain a slight edge and hope it helps.
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You can't get success without spending, but FFP says you can't spend unless you're already a success. The only way to eek out more unfortunately is to milk the hardworking fans to gain a slight edge and hope it helps.
Not sure that's strictly true tbf
Leicester spring to mind, won two trophies we've come nowhere near winning in decades with a smaller stadium, less income and less spend
I just really can't see how earning an extra 2-3m a season from kicking your loyal supporters in the nuts is going to transform our fortunes on the pitch
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Leicester spring to mind, won two trophies we've come nowhere near winning in decades with a smaller stadium, less income and less spend
How many times does a Leicester win the league, though?
It was an incredible achievement but a one off rather than an example that can really be used to indicate proof it's possible to do it on less money.
Also bit harsh given to say we've come nowhere near winning the FA Cup of late, we've been in the final way more recently than most top flight clubs.
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You can't get success without spending, but FFP says you can't spend unless you're already a success. The only way to eek out more unfortunately is to milk the hardworking fans to gain a slight edge and hope it helps.
Not sure that's strictly true tbf
Leicester spring to mind, won two trophies we've come nowhere near winning in decades with a smaller stadium, less income and less spend
I just really can't see how earning an extra 2-3m a season from kicking your loyal supporters in the nuts is going to transform our fortunes on the pitch
Leicester did fantastically well, you're right. But that was the perfect storm that season, it's never happened before in the Premier League or since. And their success after came from the increase in revenue they got from winning the league, subsequent european campaigns, and a fantastic run of shrewd transfers that panned out brilliantly.
If you look at Leicester now, you'll find a club returning back to what their income generally gets you. They don't have a massive net spend in transfers and the squad they assembled is pretty much out of contract by next summer.
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You can't get success without spending, but FFP says you can't spend unless you're already a success. The only way to eek out more unfortunately is to milk the hardworking fans to gain a slight edge and hope it helps.
Not sure that's strictly true tbf
Leicester spring to mind, won two trophies we've come nowhere near winning in decades with a smaller stadium, less income and less spend
I just really can't see how earning an extra 2-3m a season from kicking your loyal supporters in the nuts is going to transform our fortunes on the pitch
Leicester did fantastically well, you're right. But that was the perfect storm that season, it's never happened before in the Premier League or since. And their success after came from the increase in revenue they got from winning the league, subsequent european campaigns, and a fantastic run of shrewd transfers that panned out brilliantly.
If you look at Leicester now, you'll find a club returning back to what their income generally gets you. They don't have a massive net spend in transfers and the squad they assembled is pretty much out of contract by next summer.
Missing out on 2019/20 and 2020/21 (bonus of FA Cup) on CL qualification done them financially.
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I'm sure it's not how you meant it, but sticking disabled fans in the corner isn't exactly equality or respectful.
As someone waiting for a wheelchair space, that's a much politer response than I was about to post!
I've responded above. I'm not talking about leaving people in a fire corridor like a scene from The Office. I'm saying I'm surprised a good solution couldn't be found without displacing 100 season ticket holders. ie creating space - whether by an extension to existing seating terrace or corporate facilities. I'd have thought the space at the junction of the Holte and Trinity could have been used for example fitting in with the existing seating. I appreciate it is always not as simple as that due to access etc, but we're talking about a billion pound business here.
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A billion pound business?!
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Pressed the wrong button, should have been a yes
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A billion pound business?!
According to the Athletic, the proposed Man U takeover by Sheikh Jassim’s was based on c£4.5b. Chelsea was reportedly sold for £4.25b.
Yeah, I don't think £1b is a ridiculous stretch. But whether it's £500m or £1b it doesn't really change my point.
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Can we have Fortuna Düsseldorf’s owners, CEO and commercial team please?
It’s not the free admission, it’s the fact they’re thinking about a different approach instead of ripping off the fans. Good luck to them.
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I’ve decided to renew my season ticket but, although I know the club won’t care less, I’m not opting to go in for any of the cup matches. Will save me a few quid, all these millions on the waiting list can have my seat and, hopefully, I’ll be able to watch most of those matches on tv. Everyone’s a winner!!
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It's a shame for anybody being forced to move, but you know, disabled fans deserve decent facilities and the ability to watch the game too.
Absolutely, that's not the point though
Those supporters in L4 that are being moved , many who have been there for years should be looked after. The way they have gone about it is disgusting and shows they do not care AT ALL
You don't know what they're going to be offered as an alternative, so maybe pipe down until you do.
They're going to be offered their pick of the available seating in the Holte (or elsewhere). Which won't be prime seats in big blocks next to all their mates, that's for sure. It's hard to get two seats together in the Holte let alone a bunch.
I agree we should have excellent disabled facilities, I'm just surprised there isn't a better solution than relocating 100 long term ST holders to house 8 spaces. Couldn't they make use of the corners etc?
UPDATE: Just had a call from a person at the ticket office assigned to triage the situation, apologising profusely for the lack of prior communication, suggesting that the ST renewal process had been brought forward suddenly which had caught them on the hop. Essentially, the renewal deadline of 31st May does not apply to those of us affected. I was offered two available seats in L3 and L5 (nothing in L4 is available right now), but these are much closer to the pitch, which is (for me) inferior to our current seats. Additionally, there is availability in the new safe-standing rail seats area in the Upper Holte, but I've never been a fan of being in the Upper Holte (no offence to UH aficionados), especially right at the back where I feel bionic vision is a prerequisite.
Once the ST renewal window is closed, the club will phone us again in the first week of June, when they will have full visibility of availability based on those who have and have not renewed. We then get first dibs on any available seats before the relocation window is open to existing ST holders. Hopefully, there will be more availability in L3/L5 by then, but I'm not holding my breath. The club will also try to accommodate any additional friends who we currently sit close to, subject to availability, but again, I'm not holding my breath. Finally, they are giving us 10% off our STs for this season.
So, it's a reasonable attempt to accommodate us under the circumstances. Obviously, I'd prefer it if it didn't happen at all, and we could just keep our seats, because we all love the position and (by-and-large) the surrounding company. I'm still pretty sad about it, as it's been a big part of our match-day experience for nigh-on a decade, but it is what it is.
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It's always been this way. We used to be sat on the back row of Witton Lane looking pretty much down the centre line of the pitch. The year after they finished the Trinity Road stand, Villa decided they wanted that stand to form the backdrop of matches on the telly (rather than the shitty Witton Lane as it used to be), so they evicted us for the Sky cameras.
I'm now seated in the middle of the Upper Trinity, but whenever Villa are on telly, it's pretty much from the viewpoint of my old seat.
That area is now the commentary box.
A few years back, when 3D was suddenly all the rage, they chucked the people in the front few rows out of their seats and put the cameras there.
Gary Neville is now in your seats.
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I’ve decided to renew my season ticket but, although I know the club won’t care less, I’m not opting to go in for any of the cup matches. Will save me a few quid, all these millions on the waiting list can have my seat and, hopefully, I’ll be able to watch most of those matches on tv. Everyone’s a winner!!
Eventually if you are not in the cup scheme, you won't be able to get a ticket for finals
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Says who exactly?
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Says who exactly?
done it at Manchester United to a friend recently
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I’ve decided to renew my season ticket but, although I know the club won’t care less, I’m not opting to go in for any of the cup matches. Will save me a few quid, all these millions on the waiting list can have my seat and, hopefully, I’ll be able to watch most of those matches on tv. Everyone’s a winner!!
Eventually if you are not in the cup scheme, you won't be able to get a ticket for finals
I don't think that's right, so long as you go to some games.
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Last trip to Wembley ST holders in the cup scheme were given priority over those that weren’t. With fewer Final Tickets than ST holders it can happen.
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Were we? Wasn't it done by block?
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Nope. My mates held fire on buying tickets as I wasn’t in the scheme. We all got tickets together, but did have to wait. I wasn’t very popular that day.
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Priority was for those that had held a season ticket since the relegation season.
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There were a number of priority criteria used. The away scheme was definitely one of them. I m not imagining it.
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For previous finals it was possible to get tickets with a record of less than half a dozen games, but with 30,000 season ticket holders, those days are gone.
It is even possible now for some season ticket holders to miss out & I’d imagine with increased capacity eligibility will start with ST + a full set of cup games. Only Away season ticket holders will have a full set of cup games unless we’ve been drawn at home all the way through, but there will only be a few thousand of them. Then it’s down to what criteria goes next.
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I'm looking at the email right now, there's no mention of those. Only having one continuously since 2015/16.
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The point being made, is that with fewer Cup Final tickets allocated than ST holders, the Cup Scheme could well come into play. It would be up to the club I guess. Let’s hope it’s a dilemma we face in the not too distant future. I’m an old bunny I’m desperate to see us lift the FA Cup.
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For previous finals it was possible to get tickets with a record of less than half a dozen games, but with 30,000 season ticket holders, those days are gone.
It is even possible now for some season ticket holders to miss out & I’d imagine with increased capacity eligibility will start with ST + a full set of cup games. Only Away season ticket holders will have a full set of cup games unless we’ve been drawn at home all the way through, but there will only be a few thousand of them. Then it’s down to what criteria goes next.
For previous finals it was possible to get a ticket by just standing in a queue outside the ticket office.
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The allocation for this year's Cup final is 30,500 for each club. We'd just about be fine.
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Actually you couldn’t. You collected vouchers in the programmes. Trouble was there was so much swapping and dealing going on, people who had never been to matches were getting tickets. ST holders who got a ticket anyway would give their vouchers to mates and family. What we have now is definitely fairer than then.
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I've got no evidence to back this up ( so maybe take it with a pinch of salt) , but just been sent this rumour...
Next season or the season after the Villa want to have your season ticket on your phone and no card. Won’t be able to pass ticket on but will have to put it on the re sale site.
Surely you could just ping the 3D barcode over to your chosen person to use your ticket.
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For previous finals it was possible to get tickets with a record of less than half a dozen games, but with 30,000 season ticket holders, those days are gone.
It is even possible now for some season ticket holders to miss out & I’d imagine with increased capacity eligibility will start with ST + a full set of cup games. Only Away season ticket holders will have a full set of cup games unless we’ve been drawn at home all the way through, but there will only be a few thousand of them. Then it’s down to what criteria goes next.
For previous finals it was possible to get a ticket by just standing in a queue outside the ticket office.
In 2015 I sat in Barbados buying kids tickets for mine and Jane’s husbands for games they weren’t even going to go to, and ended up with a booking history that got them both in the same block as us as season ticket holders.
We have been in cup finals since the advent of the internet despite what some people would think!
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I remember that for the 2000 final it was ticket stubs if you didn't have a ST, and games had different values, I think it was 1, 2 and 3 points depending on the competition and opposition.
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I've got no evidence to back this up ( so maybe take it with a pinch of salt) , but just been sent this rumour...
Next season or the season after the Villa want to have your season ticket on your phone and no card. Won’t be able to pass ticket on but will have to put it on the re sale site.
Surely you could just ping the 3D barcode over to your chosen person to use your ticket.
That is definately going to happen to all top level teams eventually.........Liverpool and I think West Ham do it already
The season ticket sits in your apple/google wallet
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I’m going to ask Santa for a burner phone . My grown up kids and mates who haven’t got a season love it , when one of our group can’t make it.
When I pay £779 for a ticket , I think it’s reasonable for me to chose what I do with the ticket. In our group we’ve never sold an unused ticket on (not judging anyone who does by the way) we just give it in turn to who can go.
Another thing to piss me off. If Purslow can’t make a game , will his seat go on resale ?
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The allocation for this year's Cup final is 30,500 for each club. We'd just about be fine.
Not for a European final we wouldn’t (I know). I’ve heard a West Ham fan say that the allocation for each finalist in the Euro Conference could be 4,000. No idea how true that is though.
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This season
CL, 20k allocation (72k stadium)
Europa League, 15k allocation (63k stadium)
Conference, 5k allocation (18k stadium)
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I’m going to ask Santa for a burner phone . My grown up kids and mates who haven’t got a season love it , when one of our group can’t make it.
When I pay £779 for a ticket , I think it’s reasonable for me to chose what I do with the ticket. In our group we’ve never sold an unused ticket on (not judging anyone who does by the way) we just give it in turn to who can go.
Another thing to piss me off. If Purslow can’t make a game , will his seat go on resale ?
It wouldn't surprise me at all. They get more money and we get another reminder that we're in the ground on sufferance.
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This season
CL, 20k allocation (72k stadium)
Europa League, 15k allocation (63k stadium)
Conference, 5k allocation (18k stadium)
Bit shit the conference league final being held in such a small stadium.
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If and when we've successfully navigated our way to a major final, I'll start worrying about getting a ticket.
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I've got no evidence to back this up ( so maybe take it with a pinch of salt) , but just been sent this rumour...
Next season or the season after the Villa want to have your season ticket on your phone and no card. Won’t be able to pass ticket on but will have to put it on the re sale site.
Surely you could just ping the 3D barcode over to your chosen person to use your ticket.
Friend does it at old Trafford, think you can print it out as well
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Remember when we were in the championship,I couldn't get anyone to use my season ticket during the shit times
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I'm sure it's not how you meant it, but sticking disabled fans in the corner isn't exactly equality or respectful.
As someone waiting for a wheelchair space, that's a much politer response than I was about to post!
I've responded above. I'm not talking about leaving people in a fire corridor like a scene from The Office. I'm saying I'm surprised a good solution couldn't be found without displacing 100 season ticket holders. ie creating space - whether by an extension to existing seating terrace or corporate facilities. I'd have thought the space at the junction of the Holte and Trinity could have been used for example fitting in with the existing seating. I appreciate it is always not as simple as that due to access etc, but we're talking about a billion pound business here.
Yes I saw your reply after I posted. Unfortunately it all needs to be level access for the wheelchairs so I'm not sure how they could put more places in the corner between the Holte and Trinity. We did sit there once for a game - it was very draughty!
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Remember when we were in the championship,I couldn't get anyone to use my season ticket during the shit times
TBF I think that was more the case in the final days of The Premiership. They’d be on Viagogo and not selling for a fiver!
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I wonder if part of the reason for the boom in attendances the last few years is because we'd maybe started to take for granted being in the top flight year after year, and it was only really when we weren't in it any more that we realised it's not something that will always be there.
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I wonder if part of the reason for the boom in attendances the last few years is because we'd maybe started to take for granted being in the top flight year after year, and it was only really when we weren't in it any more that we realised it's not something that will always be there.
There's a host of reasons, one of them being the Small Heath obsession that we attract families from the shires in a way no other club can. I've said for many a year that whoever could turn our casual fans into matchgoing supporters will fill the ground every week and now it's happening. Then there's something PWS reminded me of recently - people love to join a crowd.
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For me it's still the feelgood factor from end of promotion season that brought people back and that got folks back in the habit. The COVID break kept people hungry for live football which means we didn't see a drop off under Gerrard and now we're worth watching again.
On top of this, I think going to a PL game, any PL game, is an attractive proposition for a lot of people so that generates sufficient extra interest to mean we always sell out. What this will be like with the bigger stadium I don't know.
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Once season tickets are outstripped by demand. People who might be in two minds about renewing are afraid to drop out. It could be years before they get the opportunity again. I’m confident that if the increased capacity is still oversubscribed at the higher numbers, we will still be seeing full houses. Of course, a decline in our fortunes on the pitch could adversely affect demand, but that fear of giving up a much sought after ST would, even in those circumstances, be a strong incentive to retain that ST.
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Once season tickets are outstripped by demand. People who might be in two minds about renewing are afraid to drop out. It could be years before they get the opportunity again. I’m confident that if the increased capacity is still oversubscribed at the higher numbers, we will still be seeing full houses. Of course, a decline in our fortunes on the pitch could adversely affect demand, but that fear of giving up a much sought after ST would, even in those circumstances, be a strong incentive to retain that ST.
Absolutely where I am. When I moved north I was going to give up my season ticket and see how many games I got to. If I ended up being at most of them, then I would have thought about getting a season ticket again. Now, I just feel like I can’t give it up, no matter how many games I can’t get to because of re-arranged KOs. Next season with Europa League could be even worse but I’ll still be keeping it!
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Is anyone having problems renewing theirs? I tried to do it last night on the app, but the payment wasn't processed, despite my entering my details and opting into the home Cup game seating list (as they've scrapped the free first game >:() Is there a good time in the day to do it? Cheers!
As for the game today at Old Trafford, what minute do you reckon the first dodgy decision (VAR or otherwise) against us? I say 22 when John McGinn is "ruled offside".
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Not that I’m a ST holder currently or on the waiting list but still love all things AV and the workings of our great club. forgive me asking these couple of questions if I’ve missed them in this thread already, ;
If capacity of ST is still 30k next season, and knocking North about starts mid season, where will those ST be relocated, or will have a choice ? Is this discussed when those particular supporters renew ?
Simple maths, if this happens, assuming about 5k of upper/lower North are ST holders, when they are relocated, are the club allowed under premiership rules, offer no matchday tickets for remaining games, as there will be no capacity left ?
Only taking 100 seats out for 8 disabled spaces in holte plus another 8 or carers, plus access doesn’t seem a lot to create access, bearing in mind there are plenty of standing fans there for viewable access ? Have fans there been told that it’s a couple of rows affected or a sort of 10 x 10 rows/seats block ?
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https://cityxtra.co.uk/3573/manchester-city-release-unnecessary-season-ticket-price-increases-a-week-in-the-city/
Interesting
5% and there's uproar .....
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For those Season Ticket holders in P5 and P6 upper Doug Ellis. Those of us who retained our over 66 concessionary price through having held those seats for many years. There is a glitch on the online system whereby the concessionary price is not working. Phone up, you’ll get an apology and be able to get the reduction. Takes a while to get through, but at least it’s still there.
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Not that I’m a ST holder currently or on the waiting list but still love all things AV and the workings of our great club. forgive me asking these couple of questions if I’ve missed them in this thread already, ;
If capacity of ST is still 30k next season, and knocking North about starts mid season, where will those ST be relocated, or will have a choice ? Is this discussed when those particular supporters renew ?
Simple maths, if this happens, assuming about 5k of upper/lower North are ST holders, when they are relocated, are the club allowed under premiership rules, offer no matchday tickets for remaining games, as there will be no capacity left ?
Only taking 100 seats out for 8 disabled spaces in holte plus another 8 or carers, plus access doesn’t seem a lot to create access, bearing in mind there are plenty of standing fans there for viewable access ? Have fans there been told that it’s a couple of rows affected or a sort of 10 x 10 rows/seats block ?
There's been no talk of starting work during the season. Purslow said he doesn't like using half-finished stands so my guess is that it will be summer 2024 and be fully opened whenever it's complete.
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I wonder if part of the reason for the boom in attendances the last few years is because we'd maybe started to take for granted being in the top flight year after year, and it was only really when we weren't in it any more that we realised it's not something that will always be there.
There's a host of reasons, one of them being the Small Heath obsession that we attract families from the shires in a way no other club can. I've said for many a year that whoever could turn our casual fans into matchgoing supporters will fill the ground every week and now it's happening. Then there's something PWS reminded me of recently - people love to join a crowd.
Wasn’t that me? People love to go somewhere that’s hard to get in?
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Me and Dave were talking about it on the phone a few weeks or so ago.
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Me and Dave were talking about it on the phone a few weeks or so ago.
Ah ok. Me and Dave were on about it on the way to the Bournemouth game, when we saw the twat in the ‘Going Since 77’ Bournemouth top. He was only about 40.
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I understand the ST holder in the back rows of The Holte are being offered an early opportunity to look at what relocation spaces are available, but surely it would make sense for people in other parts of The Holte to be able to express an interest in moving to the standing area, and offer a swap system?
I release that there won’t be many at the back of The Holte who won’t want to stand anyway, & there’ll only be the odd few who do still want to be able to sit down every now and then. I still think that if there are some, there’ll be people who fancy the standing section who’d be in seats that those moving out would quite like.
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Me and Dave were talking about it on the phone a few weeks or so ago.
Ah ok. Me and Dave were on about it on the way to the Bournemouth game, when we saw the twat in the ‘Going Since 77’ Bournemouth top. He was only about 40.
I always have to be told something twice before it registers.
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Once season tickets are outstripped by demand. People who might be in two minds about renewing are afraid to drop out. It could be years before they get the opportunity again. I’m confident that if the increased capacity is still oversubscribed at the higher numbers, we will still be seeing full houses. Of course, a decline in our fortunes on the pitch could adversely affect demand, but that fear of giving up a much sought after ST would, even in those circumstances, be a strong incentive to retain that ST.
Absolutely where I am. When I moved north I was going to give up my season ticket and see how many games I got to. If I ended up being at most of them, then I would have thought about getting a season ticket again. Now, I just feel like I can’t give it up, no matter how many games I can’t get to because of re-arranged KOs. Next season with Europa League could be even worse but I’ll still be keeping it!
Dont ever let it go,Everton have a ST holder who’s 118!!!!
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Had a phone call from Lesley explaining situation regarding wheelchair access in L4, she offered us various seats in the lower Holte but only close to each other and said we will get priority if people don't renew, she also mentioned safe standing in the upper Holte L3 and and had two together,so we are having them at 10% cheaper.
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Once season tickets are outstripped by demand. People who might be in two minds about renewing are afraid to drop out. It could be years before they get the opportunity again. I’m confident that if the increased capacity is still oversubscribed at the higher numbers, we will still be seeing full houses. Of course, a decline in our fortunes on the pitch could adversely affect demand, but that fear of giving up a much sought after ST would, even in those circumstances, be a strong incentive to retain that ST.
Absolutely where I am. When I moved north I was going to give up my season ticket and see how many games I got to. If I ended up being at most of them, then I would have thought about getting a season ticket again. Now, I just feel like I can’t give it up, no matter how many games I can’t get to because of re-arranged KOs. Next season with Europa League could be even worse but I’ll still be keeping it!
Dont ever let it go,Everton have a ST holder who’s 118!!!!
We had one that sat in our group in the lower Holte for a number of years. Wasn't as old as 118 but in his early 100's He didn't go much so the season ticket was shared around and given to the oldest member of the group (early to mid 50s) to prevent suspicion. When I say didn't go much, he didn't go at all in the last 20 odd years on account of the fact he was dead.
Renewed mine yesterday. yes, it's gone up a hefty hike but I feel something is actually happening, not another false dawn but from where we are now looking like it might actually be a real dawn or at worst less false.
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How long have you got to renew?
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How long have you got to renew?
Deadline is the end of May.
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Dont ever let it go,Everton have a ST holder who’s 118!!!!
We had one that sat in our group in the lower Holte for a number of years. Wasn't as old as 118 but in his early 100's He didn't go much so the season ticket was shared around and given to the oldest member of the group (early to mid 50s) to prevent suspicion. When I say didn't go much, he didn't go at all in the last 20 odd years on account of the fact he was dead.
A fella near us went to the Roscommon v Galway game (18k crowd) a couple of weeks ago. He turned 106 back in Jan.
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How long have you got to renew?
Deadline is the end of May.
Thanks Chris.
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How long have you got to renew?
Deadline is the end of May.
Thanks Chris.
That feels very early this year because you usually have a month or so of not going to games before the deadline, but this year, the season ends no BAM - let’s have your money for the next one!
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How long have you got to renew?
Deadline is the end of May.
Thanks Chris.
That feels very early this year because you usually have a month or so of not going to games before the deadline, but this year, the season ends no BAM - let’s have your money for the next one!
I looked back and left it quite close to the deadline last year, but it was still only first week in June when I renewed.
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How long have you got to renew?
Deadline is the end of May.
Thanks Chris.
That feels very early this year because you usually have a month or so of not going to games before the deadline, but this year, the season ends no BAM - let’s have your money for the next one!
It does but the season is finishing 3-4 weeks later than normal.
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We'll beat Brighton in a thriller to get Europe on the last day (a dinked penalty from Coutinho in homage to Dwight Yorke's last-day winner against double-winners Arsenal 25 years prior) and season-ticket holders will be falling over themselves to renew.
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I gave up trying to renew online as I could not get past log in because the email address on which I receive all my emails is wrong according to their log in system. I phoned the ticket office. The whole renewal process took four minutes and I have received an email confirmation sent to the email address that I cannot log in with. Even the ticket office confirms that it is the correct address. I've given up trying to understand.
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How long have you got to renew?
Deadline is the end of May.
Thanks Chris.
That feels very early this year because you usually have a month or so of not going to games before the deadline, but this year, the season ends no BAM - let’s have your money for the next one!
It does but the season is finishing 3-4 weeks later than normal.
Yep I knew that!
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No. It's only a week later. Last season final game was 22 May and the season before 23 May.
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No. It's only a week later. Last season final game was 22 May and the season before 23 May.
Some of that was down to Covid issues though, it’s usually early May.
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4 seasons before covid 12, 13, 21 and 15 May.😊
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Me and the babby - 29951/2 on the waiting list.
It’s his fault I haven’t bloody got one. And now my daughter’s suddenly gone football mad too.
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4 seasons before covid 12, 13, 21 and 15 May.😊
31 days in May, so anything before the 16th is early May in my book 😉
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I'll renew in the Holte with my eldest son, he's 26.
It will be our third season as ST holders after about 4/5 years on the waiting list. As I expressed an interest in 'The Terrace View' I got a call from one of the hospitality team. He mentioned that they might offer access to the new bar/terrace on a match by match basis. The deal is as mentioned by others - c.£21 a match and you get two free drinks and a programme, plus the usual meet a former player stuff from time to time.
They will cap it at 1,000 if they manage to persuade that many to stump up the cash.
I made two main points:
1. The Holte End is different to the rest of the ground, and I and many other fans would not be happy with creeping gentrification - though we are not adverse to being in a nice space with the chance to buy a pint and pie without queing for ages.
2. That investing in getting the present 'offer' right in the Holte, plus the Holte Suite and Holte Pub would be a better option and would enable them to sell loads more beer, pies, and whatever.
The guy I spoke with seemed to get it, though I suspect they are too far down the road to fundamentally change tack. Plus he said they are investing to upgrade the bars and food offer alongside adding something new. UTV
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I'll renew in the Holte with my eldest son, he's 26.
Wow...make sure you both have couple of weetabix before you start.
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4 seasons before covid 12, 13, 21 and 15 May.😊
31 days in May, so anything before the 16th is early May in my book 😉
haha...love it.
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Advice required. Found out at the weekend that a mate of mine has renewed and has also renewed his fathers ticket even though he passed away during last season. Now I've got other mates on the waiting list and I know there's loads of you out there also on the waiting list.
Him renewing his Dad's ticket doesn't sit right with me but what to do ?
He doesn't sit with me but with another two STH's so wouldn't be sat on his own.
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Nothing to do, i don't think.
Given how hard they are to buy, he's doing what most people would do.
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Nothing to do, i don't think.
Given how hard they are to buy, he's doing what most people would do.
"Never rat on your friends and always keep your mouth shut"
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I have thought about this recently and I'd do the same. I'd also be massively annoyed with Villa if I notified them of losing a relative and I wasn't allowed to transfer the ticket. I feel like there must be compassionate reasons in the T&Cs that would allow you to keep the ticket
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I'd also do the same and keep it, I don't think its quite so clear cut that its the morally right thing to do mind.
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I think it’s reasonable to do this when you have someone in mind who is on the waiting list. It is queue jumping, but if your dad has just died and your son is in the waiting list for example, it definitely makes sense to hold that space til your son gets to the top.
It’s not exactly right, but it’s kind of sensible.
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Advice required. Found out at the weekend that a mate of mine has renewed and has also renewed his fathers ticket even though he passed away during last season. Now I've got other mates on the waiting list and I know there's loads of you out there also on the waiting list.
Him renewing his Dad's ticket doesn't sit right with me but what to do ?
He doesn't sit with me but with another two STH's so wouldn't be sat on his own.
keep the ticket
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Rat. Definitely rat. Moves me closer to the top.
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The lad I go with has a one year old son and we are already thinking about getting him on the waiting list. It might take years for him to get to the top and be offered one, and then how many seasons to get it moved close to us in the middle of the upper Holte.
No doubt after all that, he won't like football!
As for the death situation, check out the terms and conditions here;
https://tickets.avfc.co.uk/screenloader.aspx?type=include&page=usercontent/documents/html/tandc.html (https://tickets.avfc.co.uk/screenloader.aspx?type=include&page=usercontent/documents/html/tandc.html)
3.16 If a Season Ticket Holder dies, the Season Ticket may be transferred to an immediate family member with the consent of the Club and upon the provision of a copy of the Season Ticket Holder’s death certificate and confirmation from the executor of the will of the Season Ticket Holder, administrator or other person responsible for handling the affairs of the deceased, that the family member is entitled to receive the Season Ticket. The Club may request additional information to clarify the position as it sees fit and will be dealt with on a case by case basis. The season ticket will be transferred to the fan ID of the family member but no booking history or Pride Rewards points will be transferred from the account of the deceased. If the concession conditions are no longer satisfied an upgrade price may be required to be paid for the remainder of the Season. Pro rata refunds will only be considered and granted at the discretion of the Club on a case by case basis.
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Nice, glad that's there. 😁
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If it's morally right to allow other people at the top of the list have the ticket in such circumstances then surely the same should apply to individual games that an ST holder can't attend. That doesn't happen does it? They're either put up for resale which I assume is first come first served or more than likely as people can't be arsed going through the process of all that they are given to a friend or family member for individual matches which is what I and my ST group do.
Personally, I'd like to pass on my ST to my daughter when I die and having invested in the club for over 50 years I hope I'm allowed to as the ST is a heirloom after 50 odd years when for many of those years it was an Albatross around the neck.
edit: wasn't aware of the rule posted above. Alles Klar!
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Rat. Definitely rat. Moves me closer to the top.
Haha.
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Thanks for all the comments. I wouldn't grass obviously but did feel that with so many waiting it wasn't great to be keeping a ticket in the name of someone who was on screen as a HEITS on Sunday (wonder how many more there are !). Didn't know about that rule which seems to make sense and provides reasonable direction as well.
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There must be hundreds of HEITS still holding season tickets.
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Is there anybody not renewing or still thinking about it for whatever reason?
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Is there anybody not renewing or still thinking about it for whatever reason?
A couple of dead folk I reckon....
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There must be hundreds of HEITS still holding season tickets.
Makes you feel sorry for the HEITQ.
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Advice required. Found out at the weekend that a mate of mine has renewed and has also renewed his fathers ticket even though he passed away during last season. Now I've got other mates on the waiting list and I know there's loads of you out there also on the waiting list.
Him renewing his Dad's ticket doesn't sit right with me but what to do ?
He doesn't sit with me but with another two STH's so wouldn't be sat on his own.
keep the ticket
Keep it for what purpose?
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Advice required. Found out at the weekend that a mate of mine has renewed and has also renewed his fathers ticket even though he passed away during last season. Now I've got other mates on the waiting list and I know there's loads of you out there also on the waiting list.
Him renewing his Dad's ticket doesn't sit right with me but what to do ?
He doesn't sit with me but with another two STH's so wouldn't be sat on his own.
keep the ticket
Keep it for what purpose?
for relative or friend
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Advice required. Found out at the weekend that a mate of mine has renewed and has also renewed his fathers ticket even though he passed away during last season. Now I've got other mates on the waiting list and I know there's loads of you out there also on the waiting list.
Him renewing his Dad's ticket doesn't sit right with me but what to do ?
He doesn't sit with me but with another two STH's so wouldn't be sat on his own.
keep the ticket
Keep it for what purpose?
for relative or friend
I wouldn’t keep it for his dad.
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Advice required. Found out at the weekend that a mate of mine has renewed and has also renewed his fathers ticket even though he passed away during last season. Now I've got other mates on the waiting list and I know there's loads of you out there also on the waiting list.
Him renewing his Dad's ticket doesn't sit right with me but what to do ?
He doesn't sit with me but with another two STH's so wouldn't be sat on his own.
keep the ticket
Keep it for what purpose?
Leave the seat empty to do Wilma's head in
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Advice required. Found out at the weekend that a mate of mine has renewed and has also renewed his fathers ticket even though he passed away during last season. Now I've got other mates on the waiting list and I know there's loads of you out there also on the waiting list.
Him renewing his Dad's ticket doesn't sit right with me but what to do ?
He doesn't sit with me but with another two STH's so wouldn't be sat on his own.
keep the ticket
Keep it for what purpose?
Leave the seat empty to do Wilma's head in
Ha!
Keep the ticket as it's what his Dad would have wanted and had his Dad still been alive would have used it. I see no problem with the 'hand me down' ticket going to a family member or friend as it's what happens to any possession when the owner passes on. It's only now that there is the high demand, it might not always be like this and with Villa being Villa that could well be the case in the future. Hopefully not for at least another 30 years or so.
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On Twitter Villa have said that the renewal rate has been extremely high and no relocations will be available into the Holte of Trinity B blocks.
Is this because they need to create room to relocate people in the area that will inevitably become corporate seating in due course, to go along with the prawn sandwich view bar?
(someone on twitter was told 97% renewal rate)
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On Twitter Villa have said that the renewal rate has been extremely high and no relocations will be available into the Holte of Trinity B blocks.
Is this because they need to create room to relocate people in the area that will inevitably become corporate seating in due course, to go along with the prawn sandwich view bar?
(someone on twitter was told 97% renewal rate)
At that rate (and excluding deaths, capacity increases) it would take the person 33,000th on the waiting list, 37 seasons to get a season ticket.
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...and people will be clamouring for the chance to see the 35 time consecutive Champions League winners in action
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...and the opening of the revamped Witton station
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So when the north stand is being rebuilt that is going to be very interesting.
What happens to holders there, and if it’s just to move them elsewhere and we have a similar renewal level, buying a ticket match to match will not be possible.
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Capacity would be down to 34,700 on the assumption nothing is lost from the Witton or Trinity, so with 3000 away fans, you'd have 1700 match day tickets for a good while.
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Capacity would be down to 34,700 on the assumption nothing is lost from the Witton or Trinity, so with 3000 away fans, you'd have 1700 match day tickets for a good while.
We'll very likely get exemption for the away allocation during redevelopment.
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Capacity would be down to 34,700 on the assumption nothing is lost from the Witton or Trinity, so with 3000 away fans, you'd have 1700 match day tickets for a good while.
Will we be able to play in the Champions League with capacity that low or will we have to relocate to Wembley Stadium?
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There must be hundreds of HEITS still holding season tickets.
Makes you feel sorry for the HEITQ.
Weekend at Bernies in B6
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Capacity would be down to 34,700 on the assumption nothing is lost from the Witton or Trinity, so with 3000 away fans, you'd have 1700 match day tickets for a good while.
Looking at the plans about a third of the lower Trinity is being reprofiled, so there will be a group of supporters that will need to be accommodated somewhere else.
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Based on the rumours of renewals I think there will be no more than 900 season tickets on sale to the waiting list
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Capacity would be down to 34,700 on the assumption nothing is lost from the Witton or Trinity, so with 3000 away fans, you'd have 1700 match day tickets for a good while.
Looking at the plans about a third of the lower Trinity is being reprofiled, so there will be a group of supporters that will need to be accommodated somewhere else.
Been rumours for quite a while that us behind the dugouts will get moved (or just priced out) at some stage.
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Given this data from the athletic, what’s thoughts on our pricing now ?
(https://i.ibb.co/FzTBy2K/F8581-D3-B-B9-B3-47-BD-8-C9-B-B63-F7-D157-D59.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FzTBy2K)
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This is irrelevant really. It's the average price that matters. The highest (or lowest) prices could just be for a few seats, it's not really reflective of the general pricing policy.
For example, our £899 seats are for the '1888' seats in the Trinity. Basically the seats on either side of the Directors box that have been prawn sandwiched by adding padding and giving them a free tie.
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This is irrelevant really. It's the average price that matters. The highest (or lowest) prices could just be for a few seats, it's not really reflective of the general pricing policy.
I agree, it’s easy for them to get these simple figures to write about. It would be interesting to see someone add up the number of seats in each tier for each club and compare.
They’d still have to contact the clubs and try and get some idea of the adult/child and concessions mix, but it would give a better idea.
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This is irrelevant really. It's the average price that matters. The highest (or lowest) prices could just be for a few seats, it's not really reflective of the general pricing policy.
I agree, it’s easy for them to get these simple figures to write about. It would be interesting to see someone add up the number of seats in each tier for each club and compare.
They’d still have to contact the clubs and try and get some idea of the adult/child and concessions mix, but it would give a better idea.
Yep, just an average adult price per non corporate per seat would work. It doesn't even have to be av of actual prices paid, just what the average price in the ground would theoretically be.
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Newcastle have increased there season tickets by an average of 3-5% also for the Champions league group games it is £165.00 for the 3 games (£55.00 per ticket)
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To be honest, I'd be a bit miffed if the corporate offering included "prawn sandwiches". Has Roy Keane never been to a decent restaurant?
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I have asked what position is with season tickets and have been told people on waiting list have been contacted ....not sure unto what number
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Slightly off topic, but speaking to a mate in Philadelphia last night, he mentioned that tickets for the Villa Newcastle friendly are $200. Kind of a double header type ticket that includes the Fulham Brentford game, also.
If that's the only way to watch the Villa game, then it's a bit pricey. He may well be wrong of course.
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Nah.....there's loads of tickets way cheaper than that.
Prices start at $40
https://www.ticketmaster.com/premier-league-summer-series-ful-v-philadelphia-pennsylvania-07-23-2023/event/02005E8BCD255105
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Looks like the cost of a ticket in the approximate area I last sat for an NFL game at the Linc is $85
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I have asked what position is with season tickets and have been told people on waiting list have been contacted ....not sure unto what number
My mate was telling me that he’s added his lad to the ST list and he’s got a number of 36k odd.
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I have asked what position is with season tickets and have been told people on waiting list have been contacted ....not sure unto what number
My mate was telling me that he’s added his lad to the ST list and he’s got a number of 36k odd.
It is remarkable how demand for them has gone through the roof.
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Nah.....there's loads of tickets way cheaper than that.
Prices start at $40
https://www.ticketmaster.com/premier-league-summer-series-ful-v-philadelphia-pennsylvania-07-23-2023/event/02005E8BCD255105
Cheers for that mate
Will pass on that link!
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"Aston Villa is delighted to confirm season tickets for our 2023/24"
Hardly a necessary announcement when there's 30k on a waiting list. People in responses said they didn't get an offer to buy one and they are 100 & 500 in the queue. Wonder what's going on there - are we reducing from 30k slightly to better cope with North stand rebuild?
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Maybe all the ST holders from last season have renewed?
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I have asked what position is with season tickets and have been told people on waiting list have been contacted ....not sure unto what number
My mate was telling me that he’s added his lad to the ST list and he’s got a number of 36k odd.
It is remarkable how demand for them has gone through the roof.
It's a disgrace. I can't believe the club won't fulfil them.
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Maybe all the ST holders from last season have renewed?
I think there was an indication that approx 97% had renewed, which is amazing really, but even at that rate there should have been c 1k available. To not even get to 100 on the waiting list does seem surprising.
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Maybe all the ST holders from last season have renewed?
I think there was an indication that approx 97% had renewed, which is amazing really, but even at that rate there should have been c 1k available. To not even get to 100 on the waiting list does seem surprising.
Doesn’t bode well for me and my youngest,, who are numbers 29,551 & 29,552 respectively. And suddenly I’ve got a Villa mad daughter as well.
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They must be holding some back to accommodate current north stand season ticket holders when the rebuild begins.
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They must be holding some back to accommodate current north stand season ticket holders when the rebuild begins.
They don't need to, there are more than enough non ST seats to do that.
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It will depend how much of Witton Lane and Trinity Road won't be used during the build. I'm also not sure if there are regulations requiring X amount of tickets have to be available for each game for members etc. I'm assuming there are as no club sells all home seats as season tickets, even those with big waiting lists. Add in away fans, and there's no chance we'll be allowed to cut allocations in half, and you're probably at the capacity we'll have during the build.
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It will depend how much of Witton Lane and Trinity Road won't be used during the build. I'm also not sure if there are regulations requiring X amount of tickets have to be available for each game for members etc. I'm assuming there are as no club sells all home seats as season tickets, even those with big waiting lists. Add in away fans, and there's no chance we'll be allowed to cut allocations in half, and you're probably at the capacity we'll have during the build.
don't think they were away fans when the Holte was being rebuilt?
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There were. It was reduced though. But that was 30 years ago, before clubs were required to do 3000 or 10%.
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Does anyone know if we'll be issued with new cards? I've managed to lose all three of ours.
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New cards will be issued and expect arrival in early August. However you are a very bad "parent" Mortimer's Bear :o
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There were. It was reduced though. But that was 30 years ago, before clubs were required to do 3000 or 10%.
I think you can get dispensation if you're rebuilding though
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They're quick enough to reduce allocations for standing or breathing in the wrong place, so they can reduce for a stand being demolished.
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They're quick enough to reduce allocations for standing or breathing in the wrong place, so they can reduce for a stand being demolished.
You can break more than 100 rules and still walk off with the title, ignoroing their away allocations for a couple of years shouldn't be much of a problem
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They're quick enough to reduce allocations for standing or breathing in the wrong place, so they can reduce for a stand being demolished.
Man. City did that for a game last season (think it was v Liverpool) and just shifted the blame to the police.
I imagine away fans will get just one tier of the Witton, perhaps an extra block as that corner will surely be taken out of use once the North Stand is put out of public use.
Will still be allocation of 1.5-2k. Our capacity will be 36k so not like we need to offer that much more.
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My understanding is 10%* allocation for away fans for league games and 25% for domestic cup games.
*Based on ability to safely segregate - so we offer 7% based on current stadium layout (approx 2900)
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New cards will be issued and expect arrival in early August on the day before the first home game, having spent a couple of weeks panicking.
FIFY
Which would be an improvement on last year, when Villa had to email me printable tickets
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My understanding is 10%* allocation for away fans for league games and 25% for domestic cup games.
*Based on ability to safely segregate - so we offer 7% based on current stadium layout (approx 2900)
It's 10% up to 3k. So grounds under 30k have to give 10% of capacity, grounds over 30k it's 3k.
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My understanding is 10%* allocation for away fans for league games and 25% for domestic cup games.
*Based on ability to safely segregate - so we offer 7% based on current stadium layout (approx 2900)
For FA cup games it's up to 15% but capped at 9,000.
For league games (and league cup) it's min of 3,000 or 10% for clubs with capacity < 30k
The Safety Advisory Group (SAG) must also agree to the away allocation that has been proposed. The SAG is made up of representatives of services including the police, fire, ambulance and building authority. For fixtures that pose risks to health and safety, they can choose to decrease allocations for visiting clubs.
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Even then it's not set in stone as we only give 2800 apparently.
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This is what Spurs had in April, I checked them as it's recent and they'd have wanted the full allocation
Allocation: 3,005 including 139 restricted view tickets, 14 wheelchair user/personal assistant pairs and 14 ambulant/personal assistant pairs.
Prices: Adults - £30; Over-66 - £29.50; Under-18 - £27.50; Under-14 - £16.50.
Wheelchair and Ambulant tickets are priced as follows with a free of charge personal assistant ticket. Adults - £30; Over-66 - £29.50; Under-18 - £21; Under-14 - £12.50.
https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/2023/april/aston-villa-v-spurs-ticket-news/
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so thinking about this, of our 8,000 extra seats we will have to give 2,000 to away fans. I think a fair proportion will go to increased corporate offerings, so the actual increase for the day-to-day fans may only be 3-4k. It will hardly touch the waiting list. I think we'll need the Witton Lane looked at sooner rather than later.
<edit> - this is wrong! It's 3k max so ignore post.
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so thinking about this, of our 8,000 extra seats we will have to give 2,000 to away fans. I think a fair proportion will go to increased corporate offerings, so the actual increase for the day-to-day fans may only be 3-4k. It will hardly touch the waiting list. I think we'll need the Witton Lane looked at sooner rather than later.
No we won't. The maximum required away allocation for a league game is 3k. Doesn't matter if the ground holds 100k.
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so thinking about this, of our 8,000 extra seats we will have to give 2,000 to away fans. I think a fair proportion will go to increased corporate offerings, so the actual increase for the day-to-day fans may only be 3-4k. It will hardly touch the waiting list. I think we'll need the Witton Lane looked at sooner rather than later.
No we won't. The maximum required away allocation for a league game is 3k. Doesn't matter if the ground holds 100k.
Yes you're right, I'm confusing myself.
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So how far down the waiting list did they get???
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So how far down the waiting list did they get???
Well according to one person on Twitter less than 100. He claimed to be 100th in the queue and no invite.
I don't know if any were offered to the waiting list. Maybe they wanted to put any wastage towards finding space for people prepared to stump up the Holte View premium?
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Yeah I saw that, and the premium Holte queue jumping I hadn’t thought about.
2/7/21 So my 2yo went on the list at 5months old. I regret not doing it sooner.
1/6/22 “number 12,553 on the waiting list currently”
7/9/22 Season tickets are sold out for the 22/23 season. # 12136
11/22 told over 27k on w/list. (I forget what it’s up to now?)
24/4/23 email # 12,118 on list
Not happening soon is it!
Will update this with the new position if they send it out, presume they might now sold out?
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It was sent out in September last season..
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I haven’t been in a position to have a season ticket for the last few years, and won’t be for a couple more. For this reason I wasn’t in a rush to put my name down on the list. It was only when I saw that it was over 20k that I panicked and did so, and by that point I was down in the late twenties. Kicking myself that I didn’t just do it straight away, as it looks like it will now be a good while before I’m anywhere close.
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Genuine question, is is free to join the queue for STs, or do they ask you to become a claret member or anything?
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Des, it’s free IIRC, though I may have joined via a link on the members’section and wouldn’t have noticed any requirement to join first
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It’s free to be on the waiting list.
Getting tickets while you’re waiting to get to the top of the list probably requires you to be a claret member though. I don’t think many people who aren’t claret members will get tickets for most games.
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This is what Spurs had in April, I checked them as it's recent and they'd have wanted the full allocation
Allocation: 3,005 including 139 restricted view tickets, 14 wheelchair user/personal assistant pairs and 14 ambulant/personal assistant pairs.
Prices: Adults - £30; Over-66 - £29.50; Under-18 - £27.50; Under-14 - £16.50.
Wheelchair and Ambulant tickets are priced as follows with a free of charge personal assistant ticket. Adults - £30; Over-66 - £29.50; Under-18 - £21; Under-14 - £12.50.
https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/2023/april/aston-villa-v-spurs-ticket-news/
Interesting. I'm sure away figure has always been around 2.8k in recent times so interested how the extra 200 seats are given especially given the reconfiguration in the corner bit actually reduced the seating for away fans.
Edit: Didn't notice we gave the restricted view seats which are the ones often left empty at end of the rows so that would tot it up to over 3k.
Can't understand either how away fans pay 30 quid (I'm guessing the away ticket cap is still in place) but home fans in the exact same stand would be paying 40 quid for that fixture.
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IIRC restricted view is right at the back of the upper tier, it's the gantry that restricts the view.
£30 is the price cap for all away fans in the PL.
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Found this posted by a Brighton fan last game of the season
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fx2rwucXgAAHncq?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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IIRC restricted view is right at the back of the upper tier, it's the gantry that restricts the view.
£30 is the price cap for all away fans in the PL.
It's not just that, it is also seats near the front of sections where the hand railings obscure your view a bit.
Only time I sat in a RV seat was up there, back when the away fans were lower North stand, and was one of those.
It was nowhere near as bad as that photo posted above, but I believe similar seats all around the ground are classified the same, there are quite a few of them.
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IIRC restricted view is right at the back of the upper tier, it's the gantry that restricts the view.
£30 is the price cap for all away fans in the PL.
Just feels odd we change our fans in the same stand with same views 35-40 quid tickets. Surely whole of Witton should be 30 quid then not that it will matter much when the North is down as they'll be very few match tickets available and they'll be snapped up in about 5 minutes if they even make general sale.
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IIRC restricted view is right at the back of the upper tier, it's the gantry that restricts the view.
£30 is the price cap for all away fans in the PL.
Just feels odd we change our fans in the same stand with same views 35-40 quid tickets. Surely whole of Witton should be 30 quid then not that it will matter much when the North is down as they'll be very few match tickets available and they'll be snapped up in about 5 minutes if they even make general sale.
There's a 30 quid price cap for away fans.
It's nothing to do with what you actually get or how it compares to home fans, it's to limit costs for away supporters.
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Found this posted by a Brighton fan last game of the season
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fx2rwucXgAAHncq?format=jpg&name=900x900)
That's terrible, but are they standing up? I guess they have no choice if everyone in front of them is standing, but if they are then the view would be very different seated.
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They look like they're sitting to me.
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It’s free to be on the waiting list.
Getting tickets while you’re waiting to get to the top of the list probably requires you to be a claret member though. I don’t think many people who aren’t claret members will get tickets for most games.
For non claret members, season ticket holders can buy extra tickets after the claret window has closed. I did this for friends several times last season, it was only the last couple of games where this became really difficult. I guess there will be more claret members next season though, so you are probably right it will become almost impossible for non members.
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The whole thing is a nonsense.
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If there's not that many tickets coming up then they're just killing the hope of those further down the list by the list existing.
Would it be better to just do a ballot with them? At least then you have a chance
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The whole thing is a nonsense.
Why? Is quite hard to think of what you would do differently, apart from not have that £1500 option to go to the top of the ST waitlist, which was shit.
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I think Claret members will mostly get tickets to the games they want to this season. It almost never sold out in the Claret window last season and whilst I'm sure it will this season, those who are able to be fairly quick off the mark when they go on sale should still be alright.
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I think Claret members will mostly get tickets to the games they want to this season. It almost never sold out in the Claret window last season and whilst I'm sure it will this season, those who are able to be fairly quick off the mark when they go on sale should still be alright.
I think I agree as I've been to most home games that I've wanted to this past season. If I can't then get tickets for this coming one, I'll be pretty fed up having shelled out to do so. I wonder if they plan to limit the number of memberships.
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I think Claret members will mostly get tickets to the games they want to this season. It almost never sold out in the Claret window last season and whilst I'm sure it will this season, those who are able to be fairly quick off the mark when they go on sale should still be alright.
I think I agree as I've been to most home games that I've wanted to this past season. If I can't then get tickets for this coming one, I'll be pretty fed up having shelled out to do so. I wonder if they plan to limit the number of memberships.
I doubt it. It's money for nothing.
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If there's not that many tickets coming up then they're just killing the hope of those further down the list by the list existing.
Would it be better to just do a ballot with them? At least then you have a chance
The marketing team have done their job brilliantly. The need/want has been created so by the time we have a 50K capacity that too will be filled for every game*
I do hope extra tickets are available for ST holders as I have a Nephew and his son living in Devon who are desperate to get to some games next season.
* providing we don't revert to type.
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If there's not that many tickets coming up then they're just killing the hope of those further down the list by the list existing.
Would it be better to just do a ballot with them? At least then you have a chance
The marketing team have done their job brilliantly. The need/want has been created so by the time we have a 50K capacity that too will be filled for every game*
I do hope extra tickets are available for ST holders as I have a Nephew and his son living in Devon who are desperate to get to some games next season.
* providing we don't revert to type.
I would like this too, as we quite often want an extra one or two (we have 4 STs). But I’m not sure it’s” fair “ that I get priority for extras over Claret members.
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If there's not that many tickets coming up then they're just killing the hope of those further down the list by the list existing.
Would it be better to just do a ballot with them? At least then you have a chance
The marketing team have done their job brilliantly. The need/want has been created so by the time we have a 50K capacity that too will be filled for every game*
I do hope extra tickets are available for ST holders as I have a Nephew and his son living in Devon who are desperate to get to some games next season.
* providing we don't revert to type.
I would like this too, as we quite often want an extra one or two (we have 4 STs). But I’m not sure it’s” fair “ that I get priority for extras over Claret members.
We dont do we? I thought Claret members get tickets before season ticket holders can purchase extra tickets, i might be wrong, but sure someone else will clarify shortly.
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If there's not that many tickets coming up then they're just killing the hope of those further down the list by the list existing.
Would it be better to just do a ballot with them? At least then you have a chance
The marketing team have done their job brilliantly. The need/want has been created so by the time we have a 50K capacity that too will be filled for every game*
I do hope extra tickets are available for ST holders as I have a Nephew and his son living in Devon who are desperate to get to some games next season.
* providing we don't revert to type.
I would like this too, as we quite often want an extra one or two (we have 4 STs). But I’m not sure it’s” fair “ that I get priority for extras over Claret members.
You don’t it’s Members first, then extra for ST holders then General sale.
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They look like they're sitting to me.
Probably standing if you look at the posture of the bloke in blue on the left. Can't make out a seat behind his waist either.
(https://i.ibb.co/WBDR33W/Fx2rwuc-Xg-AAHncq-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2c8p667)
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I bought the last ticket on sale back in the second division against Bristol City in the 10 match winning run. It was just across from that photo in our section (obvs), and was right next to the TV gantry and the woman doing the updates for Sky. It was listed as obstructed view and it was absolutely shit, spent most of the game crouching in the aisle about 4 rows down to see what was going on at the Holte End.
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They should not sell those seats. Resricted view should mean you may have to lean a bit one way or another, not that you simply can't see half the pitch. The seats should be removed.
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At least they got to see our goals.
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IIRC restricted view is right at the back of the upper tier, it's the gantry that restricts the view.
£30 is the price cap for all away fans in the PL.
Just feels odd we change our fans in the same stand with same views 35-40 quid tickets. Surely whole of Witton should be 30 quid then not that it will matter much when the North is down as they'll be very few match tickets available and they'll be snapped up in about 5 minutes if they even make general sale.
There's a 30 quid price cap for away fans.
It's nothing to do with what you actually get or how it compares to home fans, it's to limit costs for away supporters.
Yep. It meant that some away games in the Championship years were more expensive than before relegation
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I bought the last ticket on sale back in the second division against Bristol City in the 10 match winning run. It was just across from that photo in our section (obvs), and was right next to the TV gantry and the woman doing the updates for Sky. It was listed as obstructed view and it was absolutely shit, spent most of the game crouching in the aisle about 4 rows down to see what was going on at the Holte End.
At least you had two home ends you could look at.
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Season ticket holders are urged to read the accompanying letter that will advise of further information including changes to the terms and conditions, these are relating to penalties for passing on and/or the sale of both home and away tickets.
The above is taken from the official website on the story about the season tickets selling out again. I thought it was already a thing anyway. Maybe they're going to be more harsh on people passing on their tickets.
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remember we're customers at the end of the day....
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God forbid you should want to give away something you own.
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I thought you were allowed to sell your home seat if you could not attend - obviously via AVFC where they take a commission. Is this still available ?
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I thought you were allowed to sell your home seat if you could not attend - obviously via AVFC where they take a commission. Is this still available ?
I did this a few times last season when my son couldn’t make it for the midweek matches, single seat in the lower Doug Ellis and I think it sold every time and it easy to do online. Upgrading the ticket to an adult is a ballache as you have to call up and it takes ages to get through.
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I thought you were allowed to sell your home seat if you could not attend - obviously via AVFC where they take a commission. Is this still available ?
I did this a few times last season when my son couldn’t make it for the midweek matches, single seat in the lower Doug Ellis and I think it sold every time and it easy to do online. Upgrading the ticket to an adult is a ballache as you have to call up and it takes ages to get through.
so is the sale process the same again this year. Mine went unused last year when i didn't go but now its like £45 a game i can't afford to not resell it
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AFAIK the sale process is the same.
I am hopeful that there will be more sellouts this season as they won’t resell your ticket until it is a sell out.
I believe you can also pass your tickets on if you notify the club. For example, if you go with a friend/family member & they can’t go one week, you can nominate another person to go with you as long as you’re not selling it. You can actually do this online and send an e-ticket to the other person.
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I have asked how easy it is easy to transfer a ticket to a friend. This was the reply:
There will be an opportunity where you will be able to officially transfer over a ticket to another supporter if you are unable to attend a match.
Once a fixture becomes available for season ticket holders to purchase additional tickets, you will need to call the ticket office on 0333 323 1874 with your Fan ID and the supporter you wish to give your ticket to, Fan ID. We can then transfer over this ticket and an e-ticket for the supporter to use for that one match will be emailed over to you.
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AFAIK the sale process is the same.
I am hopeful that there will be more sellouts this season as they won’t resell your ticket until it is a sell out.
I believe you can also pass your tickets on if you notify the club. For example, if you go with a friend/family member & they can’t go one week, you can nominate another person to go with you as long as you’re not selling it. You can actually do this online and send an e-ticket to the other person.
I wonder if that is the bit they will be clamping down on. I hope not as it's better to pass the game on to someone you know rather than resell for a reduced price thorough the club. (I didn't know you cud do it on line I thought you had to phone up and ask for an e-ticket)
What I would say with the club resale is it's always worked very well when I've used it. It's as simple as clicking button. I've never understood why people leave tickets unused when the club resale is so easy.
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One of my nephews shares a ticket with his mate as both have young families and therefore other calls on their time and money. This worked without a hitch last season so I’m hoping they don’t get problems in future.
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Or, I just give my season ticket to my mate
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One of my nephews shares a ticket with his mate as both have young families and therefore other calls on their time and money. This worked without a hitch last season so I’m hoping they don’t get problems in future.
As long as there's no facial recognition I don't see how this could ever be a problem.
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I have asked how easy it is easy to transfer a ticket to a friend. This was the reply:
There will be an opportunity where you will be able to officially transfer over a ticket to another supporter if you are unable to attend a match.
Once a fixture becomes available for season ticket holders to purchase additional tickets, you will need to call the ticket office on 0333 323 1874 with your Fan ID and the supporter you wish to give your ticket to, Fan ID. We can then transfer over this ticket and an e-ticket for the supporter to use for that one match will be emailed over to you.
So you can't transfer your ticket to just anybody , they have to have a fan ID already?
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Or, I just give my season ticket to my mate
Indeed, everything else is "going on a list" and nobody wants to be on a list.
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Do we know when season ticket packs are being sent out yet?
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One of my nephews shares a ticket with his mate as both have young families and therefore other calls on their time and money. This worked without a hitch last season so I’m hoping they don’t get problems in future.
i guess if someone sits near you who is after your seat for a friend / family member they can grass you up to the club ??
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One of my nephews shares a ticket with his mate as both have young families and therefore other calls on their time and money. This worked without a hitch last season so I’m hoping they don’t get problems in future.
i guess if someone sits near you who is after your seat for a friend / family member they can grass you up to the club ??
How would they know that you hadn't gone through the official channels?
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I have asked how easy it is easy to transfer a ticket to a friend. This was the reply:
There will be an opportunity where you will be able to officially transfer over a ticket to another supporter if you are unable to attend a match.
Once a fixture becomes available for season ticket holders to purchase additional tickets, you will need to call the ticket office on 0333 323 1874 with your Fan ID and the supporter you wish to give your ticket to, Fan ID. We can then transfer over this ticket and an e-ticket for the supporter to use for that one match will be emailed over to you.
So you can't transfer your ticket to just anybody , they have to have a fan ID already?
Anyone can have a fan ID. If you want to transfer your ticket to someone who hasn’t got one yet, you could set one up for them in the same call. You’ll need their address & dob I think though.
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But you are meant to be limited to only doing it 6 times a season. Not sure if that is still the case.
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One of my nephews shares a ticket with his mate as both have young families and therefore other calls on their time and money. This worked without a hitch last season so I’m hoping they don’t get problems in future.
i guess if someone sits near you who is after your seat for a friend / family member they can grass you up to the club ??
How would they know that you hadn't gone through the official channels?
They wouldn't but they might flag it with the club to check that it has gone via the correct channel. I might sound paranoid but the bloke next to me is desperate to get his hands on my seat (i think)
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To get around the Fan ID issue, just ask the club to email it to you either via phone or twitter DM. You can then forward the pdf to whoever you want
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You can always now have a seat in the Upper Holte for almost 1600 ….. we are becoming a fan that has no interest in its fans
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Its not that much up there surely ? maybe £600 in the middle ??
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They have released 358 tickets in the upper Holte today with a nice hospitality area where you get two free drinks and if memory is right it’s 1570 per season
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They have released 358 tickets in the upper Holte today with a nice hospitality area where you get two free drinks and if memory is right it’s 1570 per season
I'm with you now , is that the Ramseys bar ? Never thought i'd see the day where you have "Corporate" in the Holte
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They have released 358 tickets in the upper Holte today with a nice hospitality area where you get two free drinks and if memory is right it’s 1570 per season
I'm with you now , is that the Ramseys bar ? Never thought i'd see the day where you have "Corporate" in the Holte
It's Terrace View, which is clearly selling as well as expected.
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I thought that was about £500 odd a season and you already had to be a ST holder? The latest was that it was selling so badly they were going to offer it on game by game basis, which would be great when our friendly visitors get hold of a few tickets.
Apart from the original splash I can't find any other reference to it on the site.
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I thought that was about £500 odd a season and you already had to be a ST holder? The latest was that it was selling so badly they were going to offer it on game by game basis, which would be great when our friendly visitors get hold of a few tickets.
Apart from the original splash I can't find any other reference to it on the site.
It was always going to be for anyone and you could pay £25 a match in the unlikely event that it wasn't sold out entirely for the season. These corporates were put up a few weeks ago but now they're being advertised. Pay an extra grand to jump the queue - welcome to modern football.
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I thought that was about £500 odd a season and you already had to be a ST holder? The latest was that it was selling so badly they were going to offer it on game by game basis,
My impression was that it was available on a game by game basis from the start (and that at 25 quid per game it was very reasonably priced).
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I'm going to sound really pissy here but I hope they are surrounded by the very worst coked up, foul mouthed, boorish occupants the Holte can cough up.
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The disgusting thing is another 350 on the waiting list could have been offered a season ticket at holte end prices
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This is just the beginning. All stands will have the best seats taken back for a lounge pass package, and the new North Stand will be the same, if not worse.
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This is just the beginning. All stands will have the best seats taken back for a lounge pass package, and the new North Stand will be the same, if not worse.
The price of success ? Is it worth it ??
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So were there 350 spare seats in the Upper Holte? Really?
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So were there 350 spare seats in the Upper Holte? Really?
350 that did not renew?
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The Holte is not all season ticket. I imagine this is why they installed the safe standing, maybe quite a few have relocated to that area freeing up some decent seats?
I always said this was the thin end of the wedge. There will be padded seats at the front centre of the upper Holte soon enough.
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I'm on the season ticket waiting list, 12500 ish last season, and registered my interest in the Terrace View when it was an option to. Because I wanted to know more about it.
Anyway, they've clearly invited people to take up the offer, but I wasn't one of them, so I'm guessing there is plenty of interest further up the waiting list.
So you think they're offering terrace view packages to people on the ST waiting list only? I didn't think it would be an actual season ticket, but more an annual corporate package (ie without ST renewal rights)
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I'm on the season ticket waiting list, 12500 ish last season, and registered my interest in the Terrace View when it was an option to. Because I wanted to know more about it.
Anyway, they've clearly invited people to take up the offer, but I wasn't one of them, so I'm guessing there is plenty of interest further up the waiting list.
So you think they're offering terrace view packages to people on the ST waiting list only? I didn't think it would be an actual season ticket, but more an annual corporate package (ie without ST renewal rights)
That's my guess, rather than being a corporate thing. I clicked the button, filled out my information and haven't heard anything, so I presume they have prioritised and offered on that basis?
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Re the 'Terrace View' for the Holte End. I asked for more details as I'm a ST holder in the Holte and I was curious.
When they called they said they probably wouldn't get ST holders to sign up in the numbers that would mean it would be at capacity, so they anticipated they would also offer it on a match-by-match basis. UTV.
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If they give renewable ST rights with this package, then Fred would be right, it would be a disgrace.
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If they give renewable ST rights with this package, then Fred would be right, it would be a disgrace.
It's a disgrace they're being offered anyway.
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I don't see how this doesn't end with padded seats in the Holte. And that would mean there's a strong chance it would include mine.
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I am confused.So who has been able to buy these packages?
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No idea ? i thought they were still for sale ? They are still being advertised on the official site but i didnt try and buy one.
edit, apologies i just read it again on the OS . Says eligible supporters were emailed . God knows who was "eligible"
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No idea ? i thought they were still for sale ? They are still being advertised on the official site but i didnt try and buy one.
edit, apologies i just read it again on the OS . Says eligible supporters were emailed . God knows who was "eligible"
That's why I thought it was people earlier on the season ticket waiting list, being given first dibs.
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Re the 'Terrace View' for the Holte End. I asked for more details as I'm a ST holder in the Holte and I was curious.
When they called they said they probably wouldn't get ST holders to sign up in the numbers that would mean it would be at capacity, so they anticipated they would also offer it on a match-by-match basis. UTV.
it shows on the official site attending on a match basis, it's giving options at the moment 1 fixture,2-4 fixtures 5-10 fixtures or 10-18 fixtures over the season
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Re the 'Terrace View' for the Holte End. I asked for more details as I'm a ST holder in the Holte and I was curious.
When they called they said they probably wouldn't get ST holders to sign up in the numbers that would mean it would be at capacity, so they anticipated they would also offer it on a match-by-match basis. UTV.
it shows on the official site attending on a match basis, it's giving options at the moment 1 fixture,2-4 fixtures 5-10 fixtures or 10-18 fixtures over the season
think thats just a survey.
When you click on "Buy" they aren't available
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No idea ? i thought they were still for sale ? They are still being advertised on the official site but i didnt try and buy one.
edit, apologies i just read it again on the OS . Says eligible supporters were emailed . God knows who was "eligible"
That's why I thought it was people earlier on the season ticket waiting list, being given first dibs.
Received the email, think they still got my son on the waiting list, even though he's got a season ticket,
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No idea ? i thought they were still for sale ? They are still being advertised on the official site but i didnt try and buy one.
edit, apologies i just read it again on the OS . Says eligible supporters were emailed . God knows who was "eligible"
That's why I thought it was people earlier on the season ticket waiting list, being given first dibs.
Received the email, think they still got my son on the waiting list, even though he's got a season ticket,
What did the e-mail say? Can you copy it here?
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No idea ? i thought they were still for sale ? They are still being advertised on the official site but i didnt try and buy one.
edit, apologies i just read it again on the OS . Says eligible supporters were emailed . God knows who was "eligible"
That's why I thought it was people earlier on the season ticket waiting list, being given first dibs.
Received the email, think they still got my son on the waiting list, even though he's got a season ticket,
What did the e-mail say? Can you copy it here?
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Saying you can apply for a new season ticket, normally they give you notice three times to apply for a season ticket, but on this occasion this will not count towards the three times
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doesn't even say where you are in Holte Upper ? i take it not a designated area
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I had this -
As a season ticket holder in the Holte End Upper, you have an exclusive window to bolt-on access to The Terrace View alongside your existing seat.
The deadline for your exclusive window is this Wednesday 12th July at 5:00pm.
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I'm on the season ticket waiting list, 12500 ish last season, and registered my interest in the Terrace View when it was an option to. Because I wanted to know more about it.
Anyway, they've clearly invited people to take up the offer, but I wasn't one of them, so I'm guessing there is plenty of interest further up the waiting list.
So you think they're offering terrace view packages to people on the ST waiting list only? I didn't think it would be an actual season ticket, but more an annual corporate package (ie without ST renewal rights)
That's my guess, rather than being a corporate thing. I clicked the button, filled out my information and haven't heard anything, so I presume they have prioritised and offered on that basis?
I received an email yesterday giving me the option to buy ....I know at start of last season I was at approx 4300 on the waiting list
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I am confused.So who has been able to buy these packages?
Im guessing been offered to first 5000 on waiting list
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I am confused.So who has been able to buy these packages?
Im guessing been offered to first 5000 on waiting list
Not according to The Moose above.
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I am confused.So who has been able to buy these packages?
Im guessing been offered to first 5000 on waiting list
Looks like its been offered to existing Holte Upper ST holders also ??
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It's a bit ambiguous, but I think I see this as just offering people on the waiting list first dibs at buying this annual corporate package. I don't think it will give renewable ST rights, other than resigning up to the same deal the following season.
But this is clearly why relocations into the Holte were not permitted and why the sales didn't even get to 100 on the waiting list this summer.
It stinks a bit tbh.
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I am confused.So who has been able to buy these packages?
Im guessing been offered to first 5000 on waiting list
Looks like its been offered to existing Holte Upper ST holders also ??
Yes, it was offered to existing ST holders first but they obviously haven't got the take-up they were hoping for, hence this bodge job to save their blushes.
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Having looked at it and clicked to buy, a figure of 4300ish appears - I wonder if this is the number of home regular tickets available match by match - would make sense if we have 30,000 season tickets.
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How much is it on a game by game basis ? £1600 / 19 = £84 , thats one hell of a premium for 2 pints and a programme !
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How much is it on a game by game basis ? £1600 / 19 = £84 , thats one hell of a premium for 2 pints and a programme !
thought it works out to about a extra £24 per game on top of other season ticket prices?
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How much is it on a game by game basis ? £1600 / 19 = £84 , thats one hell of a premium for 2 pints and a programme !
thought it works out to about a extra £24 per game on top of other season ticket prices?
Wasn't it 500 quid for the season or approx £26 per game? Given it included 2 pints and a programme it seemed quite cheap for a 'premium' offering.
It would also appeal to me on a single game basis if I was bringing a friend or an older relative, but didn't want to fork out for the corporate offerings.
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Having looked at it and clicked to buy, a figure of 4300ish appears - I wonder if this is the number of home regular tickets available match by match - would make sense if we have 30,000 season tickets.
42,000 capacity, 30k ST, 3k away = 9,000
I guess you then have to subtract corporate seats from that but it won’t be 5k.
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The cost is irrelevant, it's what it says about the club, the supporters and the direction we're going.
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Has anyone else been getting email from the club with the Pride Rewards points expiring next week….what a load of old tat you can redeem for :-) :-)
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Yes and its all crap. I don't understand why the points can't be carried forward. Typical Doug Ellis.
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Has anyone else been getting email from the club with the Pride Rewards points expiring next week….what a load of old tat you can redeem for :-) :-)
I know i just ordered a kids waterbottle and a string bag for the sake of it, ill probably never bothering to collect them
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Has anyone else been getting email from the club with the Pride Rewards points expiring next week….what a load of old tat you can redeem for :-) :-)
I know i just ordered a kids waterbottle and a string bag for the sake of it, ill probably never bothering to collect them
I ordered a load of tat months ago, still not collected it because the time slots for doing so are ridiculous. Waste of time to be honest.
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Has anyone else been getting email from the club with the Pride Rewards points expiring next week….what a load of old tat you can redeem for :-) :-)
Yes, I’ve been emailed.
Last time I rushed onto the site and used my points on tat I didn’t want, only for the club to then release some better stuff.
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I just spent it on entries for the X box. I’ll probably not end up with anything, but there’s at least a slim chance of getting something worthwhile.
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Claimed my points a few seasons ago and the villa bag is still showing to be redeemed
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Has anyone else been getting email from the club with the Pride Rewards points expiring next week….what a load of old tat you can redeem for :-) :-)
Yes I get those . I just delete them
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I bought a load of Villa gnomes with my points, the grandchildren love them, not sure how long they will last outside though so they are still indoors for now
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My lad got a rucksack last season, and uses it every day for school. It's worth it. We collected before a match, pretty painless experience to be fair.
I entered some draws with points last season.
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Has anyone else been getting email from the club with the Pride Rewards points expiring next week….what a load of old tat you can redeem for :-) :-)
Yes, I’ve been emailed.
Last time I rushed onto the site and used my points on tat I didn’t want, only for the club to then release some better stuff.
Bugger......I've just done exactly that! :-(
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My lad got a rucksack last season, and uses it every day for school. It's worth it. We collected before a match, pretty painless experience to be fair.
I entered some draws with points last season.
I’m not going to look what they’ve released now as I might regret what I ordered, but likewise my little one loved picking up loads of freebies last year, and also a 1 or 2 person queue prematch. As she is super cute the ladies doling out the stuff loved her and went and grabbed a few more bits so we left happily laden. Not that I want to encourage more ‘stuff’ but for my little ones it’s great. I’m almost tempted to ask what hasn’t been collected; if there seriously are a fair few items I wonder about getting them all together and them going to a good cause, kids love a bit of footy tat :)
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I tawt I taw some footy tat.
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I cashed in for a beeney hat at the end of the season. I received an email telling me collect the hat from the shop. They couldn't even be bothered to stick it in the post.
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I cashed in for a beeney hat at the end of the season. I received an email telling me collect the hat from the shop. They couldn't even be bothered to stick it in the post.
I know I’m now faced with the prospect of picking up a bloody kids water-bottle and string bag that my teenage son will look at me with a combination of disgust and bemusement, that I’d even contemplate him wanting them, and then having to keep hold of the bloody things during a match. I’ll never pick them up
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I cashed in for a beeney hat at the end of the season. I received an email telling me collect the hat from the shop. They couldn't even be bothered to stick it in the post.
"I cashed in for a beeney hat" is a truly poignant epithet. The factory of sadness is not done yet, even as good times beckon.
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I cashed in for a beeney hat at the end of the season. I received an email telling me collect the hat from the shop. They couldn't even be bothered to stick it in the post.
"I cashed in for a beeney hat" is a truly poignant epithet. The factory of sadness is not done yet, even as good times beckon.
It'll be worth more when she dies.
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I guess if ever other person who goes to shop to pick up also purchases something else whilst there they’ll see it as a win.
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I guess if ever other person who goes to shop to pick up also purchases something else whilst there they’ll see it as a win.
Pick up point isn't normally in the shop
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I guess if ever other person who goes to shop to pick up also purchases something else whilst there they’ll see it as a win.
Pick up point isn't normally in the shop
Then they are missing a trick :-)
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Match ticket prices released today
Cat A £80
Cat B £68
For a child in middle Trinity
F$%King hell!!!
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/july/17/Ticketing-details-for-2023-24/
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Match ticket prices released today
Cat A £80
Cat B £68
For a child in middle Trinity
F$%King hell!!!
Sorry but that's way way too much
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Good job I've got a ST as I wouldn't pay that for a one off.
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Match ticket prices released today
Cat A £80
Cat B £68
For a child in middle Trinity
F$%King hell!!!
Ah, but you get a padded seat in the 1888 seats.
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I can usually see that we need to put prices up to be competitive with other clubs, but fuck my old boots, that's some crazy pricing right there.
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It’s pricy for the premium seating areas but has it gone up much in Zones 2,3 and 4?
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£63 for an adult to watch some games in the Holte End, hahaha fuck off.
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My ticket in K4 would cost £1,004.50 to buy in single tickets.
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It’s pricy for the premium seating areas but has it gone up much in Zones 2,3 and 4?
£136 for a mum or dad and a kid to watch from the middle of the upstairs Doug Ellis. Utterly ridiculous.
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The difference between Cat A and Cat B prices is crazy.
1888 - £80 vs £68.50
Zone 1 - £68 vs £51
Zone 2 - £63 vs £45.50
Zone 3 - £58.50 vs £42
Zone 4 - £48 vs £40.50
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And Newcastle is now a category A? Was it last season?
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I feel Cat B prices are ok. But if I was making a choice on a game-by-game basis I'd struggle to justify forking out £63 for a seat in the Hollte.
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I don't recall those 1888 seats season tickets being advertised nor their price.
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I don't recall those 1888 seats season tickets being advertised nor their price.
They just upped the price for the people already sitting there by £100 I think. But they get a padded seat and the choice of a scarf or a tie. It's £899 for a ST there.
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Where's Fred when he's needed?
The club clearly thinks that we're going to do well next season!
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The temptation is look at the worst case and most expensive tickets but for a parent to take a 15 year old child to Villa v Sheff Utd in the upper north stand is £72.50. That can fuck right off.
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This pricing is horrific.
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And Newcastle is now a category A? Was it last season?
I think it was because I was sat in North Upper for that match and that's what I did for cat A last season. 50 quid is my limit so I'll be struggling a bit for cat A this season. Was expected but still a bit grim seeing it spelt out like that. Reckon I might have to revise aforementioned limit sooner rather than later too if I want to keep going.
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Wonder what they'll do for European games.
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Wonder what they'll do for European games.
Pricing is literally shocking and your right, if I’m to take both my teenage season ticket holding kids, to European home game, could be looking at a ton a game in the holte, fuck me that will be a pisstake if and when it happens.
Don’t normally quote myself, but for a cat A game it would be £87 for me and my 16 and 13 year olds, and I’m in L2 lower holte, in zone 4. Lets hope sense does prevail for the Euro games but not holding my breath.
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The European games are going to bankrupt us fans !
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Euro games may be the pricing 'get-out'; given that Spam played some fairly anonymous teams, perhaps ticket prices will be more affordable.
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You'd have hope if we get drawn against less attractive opponents that common sense would prevail. But with the prices we're charging for league games, I wouldn't like to Toney on it.
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the working class are being priced out . The atmosphere will suffer. This could be my last season , my ST has jumped up a lot these last 2 seasons. I can't make Sunday games so will be looking to resell my seat for those. I can't make Thursday nights so at least I won't be getting fleeced to watch pub teams from Kazakhstan.
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You'd have hope if we get drawn against less attractive opponents that common sense would prevail. But with the prices we're charging for league games, I wouldn't like to Toney on it.
I like your use of 'Toney' there - I'd put a pony on it.
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I'm lucky that at my age there's not many financial decisions that take priority over going to the Villa. But I can imagine that many fans are going to be priced out of following their team. It would be hard to justify spending £50+ on match by match basis & I think that's very sad.
I'd hope that European games, especially the early ones, would be priced sensibly.
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Don't think I'll be going to many category A games purely out of principle. Wolves was Cat A last season and didn't sell out, I can see the same happening a lot this season unless we're in or around the top 4.
They'd better keep the European games at a decent price as it's a genuine chance to win something. If we get sub-35k crowds and get turned over by Deportivo Dogshite in front of a flat crowd how embarrassing will that be.
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£63 for a ticket on the Holte End
I warned you all what's happening and you tried to make a joke of it all. They are driving out the working class, be careful what you wish for you greedy b******s
Disgrace
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£63 for a ticket on the Holte End
I warned you all what's happening and you tried to make a joke of it all. They are driving out the working class, be careful what you wish for you greedy b******s
Disgrace
What is the working class,none hear in Stratford upon Avon,old chap
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Majority of seats that will be available are no kids prices zones. Great for the future 👏 well done you nasty f****s
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The price of success , and we haven't even won anything !!
It's a real measure of what they think of the fans .
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£63 for a ticket on the Holte End
I warned you all what's happening and you tried to make a joke of it all. They are driving out the working class, be careful what you wish for you greedy b******s
Disgrace
Yeah because none of us had noticed the increasing prices of football over the years.
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£63 for a ticket on the Holte End
I warned you all what's happening and you tried to make a joke of it all. They are driving out the working class, be careful what you wish for you greedy b******s
Disgrace
Driving out the working class? That’s disgusting. They can walk can’t they?
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I'm sorry but I'm with Flin on this one.
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I'm sorry but I'm with Flin on this one.
I'd say most people are, but eye-watering price rises are hardly a bolt out of the blue.
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£63 to sit on The Holte, with the option of a snifter in The Terrace View at half time. We've already become what we hate.
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Its the speed of the hikes, not phased in slowly over a number of years, but bam, there you go, f**k you.
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It's still not as bad as £150 to see Deacon Blue.
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Looking at Man City and they offer all the hospitality light crap but also they have season tickets from £385 with it £180 for under 18s , as one category. Also other attractive price ranges.
There's a market for the padded seats but come on, £63 in the Holte End is a f*****g piss take
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Don't get the inconsistency of fair pricing for away fans £30 but absolutely can't wait to rip off home fans adult and children alike.
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These prices are absolutely disgusting and a clear message of "if you don't like it, fuck off"
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£63 for a ticket on the Holte End
I warned you all what's happening and you tried to make a joke of it all. They are driving out the working class, be careful what you wish for you greedy b******s
Disgrace
Spot on.
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Extremely distasteful, especially in the current financial climate. This is the worst thing the club has done in a long time, including being relegated.
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At those prices, we may not be needing a new stand, unless we can fill it with day trippers or corporates.
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That's probably the intention. Legacy fans and all that.
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It is disappointing that after a handful of years with a massive waiting list to buy season tickets they’ve decided that if they’re only going to have 8,000 match by match tickets, they’re going to exploit the pent up demand and absolutely screw the financial fuck out of people for them.
Where were you venal fucks when you struggled to give season tickets away?
Or when we were in the fucking second division four years ago.
Different story then.
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The first grave error under NSWE. Well perhaps the second after Gerrard. This is a real slap in the face for the fans though. Truly disgusted by it.
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We’ve had years of price stagnation in reality, due to us being duff for quite a while. It was plainly obvious that as soon as we started to show improvement prices would go in one direction. The steepness of them though is quite alarming. The demand has been created and those that vote with their feet will allow others to get in. That’s capitalism. The fact that your loyalty over many, many years has been discounted is what rankles with me. Yes, they’re homing in on those with the money as they’re the ones they want.
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It's very clear that their modus operandi = if the seat is in any way classifiable as 'a really good one', squeeze every penny they can for it.
So a cat A for a kid in an area with concessions available = 24-32, which doesn't strike me as too bad. But in the nice seats, 68 quid. Cat B kids in areas with concessions, £20.50-23, again, not that bad (comparatively, at least).
I think this is basically an advance setting of expectations for the reallocation of more seats to the highest price band, both in the Trinity (for example) and the new North Stand.
What disappoints me is just how much of the Holte is now in the second highest price band.
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Never mind going back 10/20/30 years, imagine going back 5 years and saying it will cost £63 to sit in the Holte and watch us play fucking Newcastle in the league.
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I'm old enough to remember when somebody unemployed could afford to stand on The Holte. An esteemed correspondent on these pages once said that what we need is three years of unremitting violence to get our game back. He was only half joking. In the 1960s/1970s/ 1980s going to football was a release from the general tedium of a lot of people's lives. The joy of seeing your team win and the camerarderie of being with your mates was something you could look forward to as almost an entitlement after week's work. I'm lucky enough to be able to afford a season ticket but quite frankly I'd swap today's great seat seat in the Trinity for the sheer youthful exhileration of the football special to Bury in my Dad's workboots because I could not afford to buy Doc Martens for the sanitised safety of the middle class modern "soccer experience"as a "valued customer". I'm a bit pissed and will no doubt look back on this post tomorrow and wonder if I meant it. I hope I will think" Course I fucking do"
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I'll tell you what will happen in the aftermath of these price bumps (which, looking at last year's, represent more or less 20% across the board).
Absolutely nothing. They'll still sell the tickets, and we'll still buy them.
Some people won't be able to afford to, but other people will instead.
And they know that.
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I'll tell you what will happen in the aftermath of these price bumps (which, looking at last year's, represent more or less 20% across the board).
Absolutely nothing. They'll still sell the tickets, and we'll still buy them.
Some people won't be able to afford to, but other people will instead.
And they know that.
Yep.
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Don't think every game sold out last season though despite all the demand.
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Don't think every game sold out last season though despite all the demand.
There weren’t many empty seats at many games though. In all my 40 odd years of going, I don’t remember a time when it was consistently full or almost full every game. My 13 year old is just used to full houses now, its just what how it is for him. so unfortunately I think Paulie is right. If Im not there next season someone else will be in my stead. Its pretty shameful though to slam us so hard so wuickly.
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Nope, a few night games did not sell out including Manchester City last season or the one before. Despite having 30,000 on the list apparently.
That clearly shows , as I pointed out at the time and was ridiculed that the new support is VERY temperamental. If you were that desperate to go and IF we had 30k on a waiting list they would jump at the chance to go to VP....just not if it's a night game in December.
Where were these fuckers in the championship when the upstairs of the Trinity was closed off and where were they when the club were selling off upper trinity seats for 10 quid on viagogo before we were relegated..
As I said , there's a market for this crap and if they want to rinse the new brigade, fair enough but come on £63 on the Holte End. As mentioned if someone said that to you even 3 years ago you'd have said no chance.
We're not a London club and I'd say the majority of those in the Holte End are working class
It's beyond me how a family could justify paying out that money now to go
This with the badge disaster has really changed what should have been a great season ahead
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I see they've also tried it on with the "following fan consultation" bollocks again. Shameless.
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I often feel that my time as a match going fan is slowly running out. There are many factors at play here, but it may come into sharper focus after this news. Hopefully we have a long run in Europe but I shall think carefully about attending home games if the price is prohibitive. I'd rather save money to go to an away game on the continent. Depending in the price and availability of tickets of course....
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European and cup games are going to be expensive - but if you want to guarantee a ticket for the final (if we get there), then we are going to have to go to each home game.
It is going to be an expensive season.
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The reality of the Premier League and FFP right now is that if you want success you have to claw as much money in as you possibly can.
We can’t generate the kind of revenues the top clubs do through commercial deals, and FFP means our owners can’t chuck too much of their own money in. Match day revenues are then key to paying for the improvements we want on the pitch to win trophies.
We can have cheap tickets, of course, but we aren’t going to be signing the calibre of players we all want or competing for trophies like we all want.
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In the grand scheme of things matchday income is nothing. As I said offer the hospitality stuff but do not charge £63 for upper north/Holte and have no concessions in the upper trinity where tends to be the only available seats on a match by match basis.
Not only that , those who have been on the inflated 'waiting list' for some time can be overtaken by someone who's willing to pay £1500 for their 'terrace view' crap. If this happened on the continent the ultras would be rioting
It's bordering on being evil
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In the grand scheme of things matchday income is nothing. As I said offer the hospitality stuff but do not charge £63 for upper north/Holte and have no concessions in the upper trinity where tends to be the only available seats on a match by match basis.
Not only that , those who have been on the inflated 'waiting list' for some time can be overtaken by someone who's willing to pay £1500 for their 'terrace view' crap. If this happened on the continent the ultras would be rioting
It's bordering on being evil
£20m+ is literally not nothing. Yes, more money comes from the TV rights, but everyone gets that, so it’s cancelled out.
What are your suggestions for finding the extra income? If you have a better idea, please get in touch with the club as I’m sure they would look at any avenues they’ve overlooked.
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Stick with one club crest , for a start.
Many fans will have avoided buying shield badge merch as awaiting new badge. Now nobody knows what to buy , disjointed crap.
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What are your suggestions for finding the extra income? If you have a better idea, please get in touch with the club as I’m sure they would look at any avenues they’ve overlooked.
Like they listened to the feedback from the fans’ consultation? The club are taking the piss, fans who have been going for decades are going to really struggle and we’re going to see a shift in the make up of our support when “legacy fans” are finally priced out. See Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal etc with their silent home fans who only make a noise when they boo their team off at half time.
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Whilst Wilma is right to be angry about the prices, for all his ranting and raving, he does absolutely fuck all about it and expects others to on his behalf because he's busy. It's why I don't take him seriously.
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Stick with one club crest , for a start.
Many fans will have avoided buying shield badge merch as awaiting new badge. Now nobody knows what to buy , disjointed crap.
I strongly suspect not changing the crest everywhere is saving a fair amount of money. Anyone who's ever been involved in a business re-branding will know how much these things can cost.
You're saying we should sell more merchandise to people (a lot of it bought by people who don't go) in order to use the money to subsidise cheap seats for you?
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What are your suggestions for finding the extra income? If you have a better idea, please get in touch with the club as I’m sure they would look at any avenues they’ve overlooked.
Like they listened to the feedback from the fans’ consultation? The club are taking the piss, fans who have been going for decades are going to really struggle and we’re going to see a shift in the make up of our support when “legacy fans” are finally priced out. See Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal etc with their silent home fans who only make a noise when they boo their team off at half time.
But again, what choice have they got within the current financial climate of the Premier League?
People were moaning in January we didn't spend more, people are moaning this window we haven't spent loads, and if we don't compete this season then everyone will be moaning we didn't spend enough. But we can only spend if we get the revenue in, and until the rules change, ticket prices are one of the few ways the club can raise the funds to give us what we want.
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What they make extra in ticket prices is nothing , probably covers one really average player on the bench for a season.
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What they make extra in ticket prices is nothing , probably covers one really average player on the bench for a season.
You don't even know how much extra they make because you're literally only interested in yourself. You go on about the working class, but actually you're just pissed off that you have to pay more and you want every man and his dog to put their hand in their pocket so you don't have to.
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What are your suggestions for finding the extra income? If you have a better idea, please get in touch with the club as I’m sure they would look at any avenues they’ve overlooked.
Like they listened to the feedback from the fans’ consultation? The club are taking the piss, fans who have been going for decades are going to really struggle and we’re going to see a shift in the make up of our support when “legacy fans” are finally priced out. See Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal etc with their silent home fans who only make a noise when they boo their team off at half time.
But again, what choice have they got within the current financial climate of the Premier League?
I reckon they could shift an extra 20k pints every home game if they sold drinks to everyone who wants one. I’m not a business man, just a fan with over 45 years service. And if the owners can’t increase revenue without fleecing fans then they’re not the businessmen we all though they were
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Without full houses and the atmosphere it makes, they haven’t got a ‘product’ they can sell round the world.
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What are your suggestions for finding the extra income? If you have a better idea, please get in touch with the club as I’m sure they would look at any avenues they’ve overlooked.
Like they listened to the feedback from the fans’ consultation? The club are taking the piss, fans who have been going for decades are going to really struggle and we’re going to see a shift in the make up of our support when “legacy fans” are finally priced out. See Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal etc with their silent home fans who only make a noise when they boo their team off at half time.
But again, what choice have they got within the current financial climate of the Premier League?
I reckon they could shift an extra 20k pints every home game if they sold drinks to everyone who wants one. I’m not a business man, just a fan with over 45 years service. And if the owners can’t increase revenue without fleecing fans then they’re not the businessmen we all though they were
No idea what the margin is on a pint, but I estimate the last two ticket increases will net around £4m in extra revenue. Across 20k pints that'll need a profit of £10.52 per unit.
They're increasing revenue in loads of ways - ticket prices, increasing capacity and corporate offerings, accepting the highest possible sponsorship deal even against supporter opposition, hosting concerts and other events, buying academy players to sell on, overseas tours...
I agree that improving the matchday food and drink service will be a massive win and they can do more there. But I don't see that being enough to keep ticket prices low.
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I’m just completely against ripping off loyal fans and this is exactly what is happening. 60 fucking quid to sit on the Holte after half a decent season under Emery. If they want to rip people off, let em fleece the corporates until they squeak. If they ain’t happy, let them wine and dine their clients at St Andrew’s and see how that works out.
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While we are oversubscribed where ticket demand is concerned I believe there is a limit to how deep that demand is. We can attract "new" fans and tourists but this the West Midlands, not London and we also don't get the hype and exposure that Newton Heath and Stockport City receive.
Introducing premium pricing and semi-corporate areas on the Holte will puncture the atmosphere and it will never recover. The ground just won't be the same and that's a terrible shame.
It may be progress, it's certainly inevitable but it's going to leave an awful lot of us behind I'm afraid.
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I’m just completely against ripping off loyal fans and this is exactly what is happening. 60 fucking quid to sit on the Holte after half a decent season under Emery. If they want to rip people off, let em fleece the corporates until they squeak. If they ain’t happy, let them wine and dine their clients at St Andrew’s and see how that works out.
They are... a box in the Trinity has gone up from £45k per season to £90k.
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Totally ridiculous comment to make , caring about myself , not at all. I'm thinking about the future of our club , can't you see what's happening ? I'm lucky at the moment I can just about afford to go but any more big increases I'd have to take a look at it .
If they want to do the hospitality crap , then fine. Add the glass wall or whatever it is to the new north stand and there will be a market for it.
Charging £63 for fans to sit/stand on the Holte is too far. I don't care if you're skint or a millionaire, that's a f++++g piss take. And £63 for the upper north stand , is beyond belief.
The 'Terrace view' has had poor uptake that's why they are scrambling around now and letting people on the waiting list jump the queue for a season ticket it they stump up £1600 .
This won't end well
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It might be cheaper for ticket & travel to go to Newcastle away than to watch us play Newcastle at home.
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it's all getting ridiculous now. These prices are fine (well kind of) if you're a tourist or on a corporate jolly up, but how many people can really afford these prices? I don't have kids so I can afford it - for now - but if my ST gets much closer to £1k then I'll be reconsidering my future attendance.
Does anyone know if there's a limit on how many times you can resell your ST back to the club in one season?
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I go to a few games a season (last season it was 10) having a cursory glance at where I sat last year compared with the prices for this year. Seats appear to have gone up in price by as much as eight pounds in some cases.
K3 Man Utd last season £54.50 this season £63
K2 Man City last season £50. This season. £58.50
A4 Everton last season £44 this season £51
A5 Forest last season £44 this season £51
K2 C palace last season £37 this season. £42
K3 Brentford last season £40 this season £45.50
It looks like the category A games have had the big increases as they tend to sell out anyway. And the category B games have had increases but just not as severe. Bigger price increases depending on the stand too.
I think I’ll probably do a lot of the category B games this season, some of the other games will probably be selected for TV anyway.
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I can easily see an extra quid being added to beer prices this season too.
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I can easily see an extra quid being added to beer prices this season too.
But no doubt the quality of beer or service won’t improve though….they won’t make the investment needed to improve that side of things or they would have already done it
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I can easily see an extra quid being added to beer prices this season too.
But no doubt the quality of beer or service won’t improve though….they won’t make the investment needed to improve that side of things or they would have already done it
Oh Gareth, the Terrace View!
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I can easily see an extra quid being added to beer prices this season too.
But no doubt the quality of beer or service won’t improve though….they won’t make the investment needed to improve that side of things or they would have already done it
I can only speak for the Lower Holte and the service was much better with the new system where you order and pay at one of the terminals and then collect from the kiosk.
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I can easily see an extra quid being added to beer prices this season too.
But no doubt the quality of beer or service won’t improve though….they won’t make the investment needed to improve that side of things or they would have already done it
Oh Gareth, the Terrace View!
lol….sign me up
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I can easily see an extra quid being added to beer prices this season too.
But no doubt the quality of beer or service won’t improve though….they won’t make the investment needed to improve that side of things or they would have already done it
I can only speak for the Lower Holte and the service was much better with the new system where you order and pay at one of the terminals and then collect from the kiosk.
In 2036 that level of service will make its way to Witton Lane Upper Chris :-) we’ve regressed to cans being poured into plastic pint glasses :-)
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European and cup games are going to be expensive - but if you want to guarantee a ticket for the final (if we get there), then we are going to have to go to each home game.
It is going to be an expensive season.
Even going to every European game won't guarantee you a ticket should we reach the final. We would receive a pitiful amount of tickets from UEFA as they look after corporate and the "UEFA family" first and foremost. I think West Ham only had 5,000 tickets . Its a bigger stadium in Athens but still nowhere near big enough.
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Four of us get together to go to about half a dozen games a season but I think these prices may well scupper that. To sit together we normally buy Trinity tickets. Last year some of the ticket prices were in my eyes crazy (I think we payed £53 for Leicester CAT A). £63 a pop this year for some games means we might not be meeting up at the game.
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Cat A games where we sit if i wanted to take one of my younger kids or grandkids i'd be staring into £68 a ticket . That seems very unfair. Not that fairness comes into this.
I'd like to see which part of the fan consultation suggested this madness.
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When it gets to the stage where it's cheaper to travel and watch us away from home than at Villa Park then you know it's fucked.
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On top of those match day prices, a high percentage must have paid the £40 claret membership in the first place too !
I wonder how many of those there are on top of the 30k ST holders. I’d assume at least most of the waiting list will be or they’d never get chance to buy tickets. Without a membership there is very little chance of games going to general sale…..and pretty much no chance next year with 7000 seats from a north end to reallocate around the stadium
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The 'Terrace view' has had poor uptake that's why they are scrambling around now and letting people on the waiting list jump the queue for a season ticket it they stump up £1600 .
Ahah!
I thought the waiting list was imaginary!
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Has anybody written to the club and expressed their disgust regarding these excessive price hikes, if so what was the response if any?
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Cat A games where we sit if i wanted to take one of my younger kids or grandkids i'd be staring into £68 a ticket . That seems very unfair. Not that fairness comes into this.
I'd like to see which part of the fan consultation suggested this madness.
& in all probability those £80 & £68 seats are the only ones where your likey to get 2or3 together. £240 to take 2 kids to a game throw in food & drinks ... £300 . Absolute scandalous prices
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The 'Terrace view' has had poor uptake that's why they are scrambling around now and letting people on the waiting list jump the queue for a season ticket it they stump up £1600 .
Ahah!
I thought the waiting list was imaginary!
Massively inflated to create what's happening now.
There's no way on earth 30,000 are on that list who would actually come forward and pay , if that was the case every single game would be sold out
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On top of those match day prices, a high percentage must have paid the £40 claret membership in the first place too !
I wonder how many of those there are on top of the 30k ST holders. I’d assume at least most of the waiting list will be or they’d never get chance to buy tickets. Without a membership there is very little chance of games going to general sale…..and pretty much no chance next year with 7000 seats from a north end to reallocate around the stadium
Yeah the email reminding me of my Pride membership renewal forgot to mention the price hike. Funny that.
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The 'Terrace view' has had poor uptake that's why they are scrambling around now and letting people on the waiting list jump the queue for a season ticket it they stump up £1600 .
Ahah!
I thought the waiting list was imaginary!
Massively inflated to create what's happening now.
There's no way on earth 30,000 are on that list who would actually come forward and pay , if that was the case every single game would be sold out
I don't think it's inflated, it's free to join & many will have joined purely because they can .
Charge a small amount & the list would half(at least) IMO
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Yeah I think some other clubs charge to get on and stay on a waiting list.
Missed opportunity , maybe they'll do this next year
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The cricket has done that now - you have to pay a fee to be on the "priority list" and enter the ballot for tickets.
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Yeah I think some other clubs charge to get on and stay on a waiting list.
Missed opportunity , maybe they'll do this next year
According to the Web it's ranges from £50 to £100 for Manchester United waiting list
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Buy a membership & you automatically go on a waiting list, buy 5 or more match tickets during the season & you automatically go on to the list otherwise charge a small fee(£15/20) . When its your turn & you don't take up the offer you go back to the bottom of the list .
That's how I'd do it .
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Do Some clubs still penalise ST holders who don't buy Cup tickets for the home games ? We are moaning now but there's scope for this to get a whole lot worse
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Without getting too political, it's pure capitalism. Paying to have the opportunity to pay for something.
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Brentford penalise you if you don't attend matches.
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The cricket has done that now - you have to pay a fee to be on the "priority list" and enter the ballot for tickets.
To be fair for Edgbaston this guarantees you tickets and a £5 per ticket discount. As it cost me £20 and I intend to purchase at least 6 tickets, it's a no brainer. The ballot remains free to enter.
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Ajax tickets on average around 31Euros to 40Euros (Champions League games were approx 65Euros last season), Feyenoord around 29Euros to 35Euros (season ticket around 315Euros)
Bayer Leverkusen - 40Euros on average for all games (most expensive season ticket is 440Euros), Schalke around 45Euros
Royal Union St Gillis (Belgium) Cat1 games in the main stand 47Euros
I don't care what the club says, we are getting mugged and you only need to look over to the continent to see it.
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I don't care what the club says, we are getting mugged and you only need to look over to the continent to see it.
That's not really comparing apples to apples, though is it? How about comparing us to the teams that finished top 8 in the league last year, as that's where we aspire to be regularly.
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I don't care what the club says, we are getting mugged and you only need to look over to the continent to see it.
That's not really comparing apples to apples, though is it? How about comparing us to the teams that finished top 8 in the league last year, as that's where we aspire to be regularly.
We don't come across favourably there either. Looking at Man City here there's only a couple of options that are more expensive than our equivalents. Some are significantly cheaper; https://www.mancity.com/meta/media/xowh15py/gold_season_ticket_pricing_map_23-24_mobile-2.pdf
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I don't care what the club says, we are getting mugged and you only need to look over to the continent to see it.
That's not really comparing apples to apples, though is it? How about comparing us to the teams that finished top 8 in the league last year, as that's where we aspire to be regularly.
I was trying to compare size of support and success - Feyenoord are Dutch champions and Champs League and have just sold all 33,000 season tickets with many on a waiting list. Ajax will be Europa League and have reached Champs League latter stages, their current waiting list for a season ticket runs into years.
Leverkusen are Conf League, but you can pick any Bundesliga club which will have the same price structure. Most Bundesliga clubs have long season ticket waiting lists.
RUSG are Belgium runners-up and sell out pretty much every home game they play, albeit at a small stadium.
My general point is that in a cost of living crisis, these prices are very hard to justify, especially when compared with equal size continental clubs with equal-sized over-subscription and support.
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Brentford penalise you if you don't attend matches.
Christ, I never go to Brentford matches unless we are playing them!
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This is on the back of sneaking into the 3rd tier European competition (not complaining at all fantastic season) but imagine of we get champions league.
It's all wrong and the club have completely lost all sense of reality
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I'd prefer my season ticket to be cheaper, I'm glad away tickets and the European away tickets are capped. Its an expensive hobbie and our exceptionalism that we're different from others is probably part of the anger- we're not. We just had low demand and high supply. Man City are a poor example because of this.
We have to be cautious as we are not north or west London and don't have anything like the tourist draw of Man United or Liverpool.
The only way these prices stabilise or drop is if demand does. This increases the value of the season ticket and will make selling 40,000 in 2 years an absolute inevitability; one way to protect your hundred million capital works investment.
I dont buy the class issue though. Absolute bilge.
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I fear for the price of season tickets next year.
For the 1888 seats on a game by game basis it's £1,394 against the current ST price of £899
For Zone 2 its' £1,004 against the current ST price of £779
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If we take Liverpool as an example, they're largely cheaper than us too, despite having had bigger capital expenditure on the ground and a waiting list of decades to get season tickets https://www.liverpoolfc.com/tickets/season-ticket-prices
It's £780 for most of the Holte compared to £745 for the Kop. Also every category allows for concessions. I think we'll need to see a consistent improvement in the on pitch performance to continue justifying these kind of price hikes
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If we take Liverpool as an example, they're largely cheaper than us too, despite having had bigger capital expenditure on the ground and a waiting list of decades to get season tickets https://www.liverpoolfc.com/tickets/season-ticket-prices
It's £780 for most of the Holte compared to £745 for the Kop. Also every category allows for concessions. I think we'll need to see a consistent improvement in the on pitch performance to continue justifying these kind of price hikes
Prices are cheaper up north though.
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This is on the back of sneaking into the 3rd tier European competition (not complaining at all fantastic season) but imagine of we get champions league.
It's all wrong and the club have completely lost all sense of reality
Erm, I reckon your pots are vantablack.
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This is on the back of sneaking into the 3rd tier European competition (not complaining at all fantastic season) but imagine of we get champions league.
It's all wrong and the club have completely lost all sense of reality
Erm, I reckon your pots are vantablack.
To be fair, you can’t lose what you never had.
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If we take Liverpool as an example, they're largely cheaper than us too, despite having had bigger capital expenditure on the ground and a waiting list of decades to get season tickets https://www.liverpoolfc.com/tickets/season-ticket-prices
It's £780 for most of the Holte compared to £745 for the Kop. Also every category allows for concessions. I think we'll need to see a consistent improvement in the on pitch performance to continue justifying these kind of price hikes
Prices are cheaper up north though.
we are up north. Its more expensive in London
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I'd prefer my season ticket to be cheaper, I'm glad away tickets and the European away tickets are capped. Its an expensive hobbie and our exceptionalism that we're different from others is probably part of the anger- we're not. We just had low demand and high supply. Man City are a poor example because of this.
We have to be cautious as we are not north or west London and don't have anything like the tourist draw of Man United or Liverpool.
The only way these prices stabilise or drop is if demand does. This increases the value of the season ticket and will make selling 40,000 in 2 years an absolute inevitability; one way to protect your hundred million capital works investment.
I dont buy the class issue though. Absolute bilge.
This is a good analysis.
Whilst i take Fred’s (never ending) comments about pricing the working class out of going to games, it is a flawed argument, not least because it seems like its based on one distinct version of what it is to be working class. I would say there are plenty of lower income groups in society that are both financially but also culturally disenfranchised from football, not least many of those living around villa park.
Nevertheless, the direction of travel in regards to pricing, will inevitably knock a lot of out of the game in the mid to long term.
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If we take Liverpool as an example, they're largely cheaper than us too, despite having had bigger capital expenditure on the ground and a waiting list of decades to get season tickets https://www.liverpoolfc.com/tickets/season-ticket-prices
It's £780 for most of the Holte compared to £745 for the Kop. Also every category allows for concessions. I think we'll need to see a consistent improvement in the on pitch performance to continue justifying these kind of price hikes
Prices are cheaper up north though.
we are up north. Its more expensive in London
There’s more north up north.
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Perhaps why those clubs can keep the price down is because they have in place multi-million pound shirt sponsorships deals, Liverpool and Manchester United are worth about £50 million a year each
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Looks like family packages on match day tickets and STs are a thing of the past also, am I wrong?
If you’ll indulge me, I’ve just added on sale dates to my electronic calendar, essential if I’m to have a hope in hell of picking up an extra Tkt/together, to have hope of getting both my little ones there.
Downside is where I used to search villa park in my diary to bring up home fixtures (including changes) that’s now flooded with all the onsale dates;
any top tips for an easy over view to show home fixtures inc dates changed for TV? Is the club site reliably updated with date/time changes, I have a memory it wasn’t at some point last season?
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While we are oversubscribed where ticket demand is concerned I believe there is a limit to how deep that demand is. We can attract "new" fans and tourists but this the West Midlands, not London and we also don't get the hype and exposure that Newton Heath and Stockport City receive.
Introducing premium pricing and semi-corporate areas on the Holte will puncture the atmosphere and it will never recover. The ground just won't be the same and that's a terrible shame.
It may be progress, it's certainly inevitable but it's going to leave an awful lot of us behind I'm afraid.
Yep.
Very soon we'll have a 52k ground. As much as it's annoying to say we simply haven't got a Newcastle type support in that we'd have 52k turning up every week if we were 17th as opposed to 7th or higher.
Perhaps I'm wrong but this pricing shift feels very short term thinking to me.
Go back 5 years and we were getting 30-35k in the championship which was of course pretty respectable but long way from selling out.
Then we employ DS, Grealish gets going, we win endless games in a row and suddenly 40k are watching us get promoted and like seeing a winning Villa team again.
19/20 and the prem actually felt interesting for us for first time in a decade so that was always going to be a season of regular sell outs regardless of marketing and price rises.
Then lost over a year due to covid so 21/22 was simply about people experiencing live sport again.
I genuinely would've been interested to see how our attendances would've held up last season if we'd continued in bottom half by appointing a manager not as good as Emery so it's important to remember we're not too many poor strategic decisions again from being bottom half.
Could we really sell out a 52k ground with 40-50 quid ticket prices and being 14th in the league with no cup runs?
That's the issue as we've been on a consistent rise for last 5 years but eventually it gets difficult to get much higher in the league unless plenty of things come together at the right time so that's the big question mark from 2025 onwards.
I just pick and choose now and tend to get to 5-6 home games a season so not as impacted as many others. We could easily have that number of home games in the cups up to December so interested how full VP looks on those nights given they won't be covered by season tickets.
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Cat A games where we sit if i wanted to take one of my younger kids or grandkids i'd be staring into £68 a ticket . That seems very unfair. Not that fairness comes into this.
I'd like to see which part of the fan consultation suggested this madness.
The Steven Gerrard fanclub a.k.a Mr Purslow.
I think this was his last act before leaving.
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I don't care what the club says, we are getting mugged and you only need to look over to the continent to see it.
That's not really comparing apples to apples, though is it? How about comparing us to the teams that finished top 8 in the league last year, as that's where we aspire to be regularly.
As recently as 2019 I went to an Arsenal game and sat behind the goal in home end (My Mum supports them) and paid £36.50. Upper tier was 60 odd quid but a) London and b) they'd won plenty under Wenger.
Man. City isn't that dear at all for what they've produced on the pitch in last decade.
Pretty sure Newcastle tickets have been very cheap with most in 30-40 quid range although interesting to see how significantly that shoots up now they're in the CL.
That's the thing though. It was a very good end to last season but we did only finish 7th. These prices are now starting to emulate clubs who are finishing top 4 in four out of every five seasons and winning a trophy every two seasons so bit of pressure on us to step up now with no guarantee it will work out.
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these are prices where you expect to be winning trophies
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Could we really sell out a 52k ground with 40-50 quid ticket prices and being 14th in the league with no cup runs?
Yes.
The thing is, we are criticising the club for being such money grabbing fuckers, but then also doubting their financial acumen in that if the above wasn't true, we wouldn't be making the ground bigger.
It's not good, it's too expensive, but from a business point of view, they know what they are doing, and building a new stand to have half the seats empty does not fit with that.
It's basic economics, we've got 30,000 people in a queue waiting for the right to spend several hundreds of pounds on a season ticket. That's scarcity and it winds up with raised prices.
If you look at other clubs, would we have thought, ten years ago, that West Ham could ever get 60k every home match? Or Spurs for that matter?
For decades now, the club has been run in an unambitious, plodding along way. Even under Lerner, when he spent big, we never bothered doing things like employing clued-up people with relevant experience, we didn't have a clue.
We have so much untapped potential, and this is the first time in my lifetime we've really looked like approaching fulfilling it. We even managed to win the league and the EC and end up in division two five years later, that's how badly this club has been run through the ages.
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Compare prices to the like of Bruce Springsteen and Pink concerts and many musicians and add refreshments I would say football is fairly cheap to them
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Compare prices to the like of Bruce Springsteen and Pink concerts and many musicians and add refreshments I would say football is fairly cheap to them
Taylor Swift tickets went on sale this week. Just the £750 quid each.
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For those that have been offered to terrace view tickets please can someone explain the workings ?
How much / concessions ?
In addition to ST price at whatever cost in holte ?
Will the game then be watched from this terrace, thereby freeing up more seats in the stand ?
If offered to those on waiting list, and they accept, do you automatically jump the queue when signed up ?
I’ve read that if someone on list takes up the option now but declines terrace view next year, they lose ST, so if a current ST holder takes up option but declines next year, do they also lose their seat….if so, no incentive whatsoever to join is there ?
Where is this located in the holte ?
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Compare prices to the like of Bruce Springsteen and Pink concerts and many musicians and add refreshments I would say football is fairly cheap to them
Taylor Swift tickets went on sale this week. Just the £750 quid each.
But people don't mind forking out for them without too much complaints
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For those that have been offered to terrace view tickets please can someone explain the workings ?
How much / concessions ?
In addition to ST price at whatever cost in holte ?
Will the game then be watched from this terrace, thereby freeing up more seats in the stand ?
If offered to those on waiting list, and they accept, do you automatically jump the queue when signed up ?
I’ve read that if someone on list takes up the option now but declines terrace view next year, they lose ST, so if a current ST holder takes up option but declines next year, do they also lose their seat….if so, no incentive whatsoever to join is there ?
Where is this located in the holte ?
it's only for the upper Holte and you actually get a seat, which could be the new installed rail seats as well,no viewing of the actual game, apart of the cost of the actual season ticket or even the extra of terrace view membership, you would have to factor in the extra cost of refreshments on top of the two 'free' drinks,it was about £6 a pint last season so I would imagine it would increase this season, saying that it cost me £17.40 at Walsall on Saturday for 2 coke drinks and 2 hot dogs
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Concerts aren't every other week though and tickets aren't all £750.
I had Springsteen ticket for less than £100 , good value for a once in a decade event , plus he plays 3 hours plus
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Concerts aren't every other week though and tickets aren't all £750.
I had Springsteen ticket for less than £100 , good value for a once in a decade event , plus he plays 3 hours plus
that's okay if everyone was charging £100 pounds a ticket, but on that basis my match ticket would cost about £120 for 3 hours
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Unless the singer gets laryngitis etc, you’re probably going to enjoy a concert you’ve chosen to go and see.
A trip to the villa has more jeopardy to it. Sixty quid might get you a 3-0 win, a 0-0 snooze-fest, or a dispiriting 4-2 loss.
We’ve probably had more bad games in one season than Springsteen has had bad concerts in thirty years.
They’re not comparable, unless you’re Bobby Charlton who probably thought Old Trafford was a theatre because of the silence.
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Concerts aren't every other week though and tickets aren't all £750.
I had Springsteen ticket for less than £100 , good value for a once in a decade event , plus he plays 3 hours plus
Exactly, its the loyalty aspect that both gets manipulated by football clubs and also disregarded when it suits, like when demand is outstripping supply like now.
You might love a certain band but the reality is you might see them a handful of times in your lifetime, or a handful of times a year if your mega keen. Some of us have been going to the Villa for four or five decades, most weeks. The club depends on that in the not so good times, but also football teams in general are structured around being part of something that really is more than just a bit of a hobby. Thats why the direction of travel is hard to stomach really, its more than just capitalism at play, as supporting Villa, or any club for that matter is ingrained in the lives on a far more regular basis than any other non work related activity that most of us undertake and the club knows this.
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I mentioned the price rises on Twitter. Most replies were of the same opinion as me but there was one who said we should stop complaining and if you can't afford it someone else will. That's football - pay up and keep quiet.
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Sorry to repeat myself from yesterday but I don't get this £30 cap for away fans but fleece the home fans rotten. It's so contradicting and just some sort of token gesture that is odd
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Unless the singer gets laryngitis etc, you’re probably going to enjoy a concert you’ve chosen to go and see.
A trip to the villa has more jeopardy to it. Sixty quid might get you a 3-0 win, a 0-0 snooze-fest, or a dispiriting 4-2 loss.
We’ve probably had more bad games in one season than Springsteen has had bad concerts in thirty years.
They’re not comparable, unless you’re Bobby Charlton who probably thought Old Trafford was a theatre because of the silence.
I'm not sure if Springsteen has ever had a bad gig!
The blind faith of football supporters is/has and always will be used against us. Sure a few will drop out, me included eventually because of the cost but there are thousands that are willing to have my seat.and while that demand is there owners can pretty much do what they want.
I was thinking back to watching Villa beat Port Vale in the FA Cup in 87'??
My Holte End admission cost was a fiver.
A nice piece of nostalgia but now football is a different sport for us fans.
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Sorry to repeat myself from yesterday but I don't get this £30 cap for away fans but fleece the home fans rotten. It's so contradicting and just some sort of token gesture that is odd
I don't understand it either
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I mentioned the price rises on Twitter. Most replies were of the same opinion as me but there was one who said we should stop complaining and if you can't afford it someone else will. That's football - pay up and keep quiet.
Exactly the stance of AVFC.
We have a huge waiting list so pay or someone else will.
Coming soon, penalties for ST holders who don't attend EFL cup fixtures.
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I mentioned the price rises on Twitter. Most replies were of the same opinion as me but there was one who said we should stop complaining and if you can't afford it someone else will. That's football - pay up and keep quiet.
Exactly the stance of AVFC.
We have a huge waiting list so pay or someone else will.
Coming soon, penalties for ST holders who don't attend EFL cup fixtures.
friend a Manchester United season ticket holder if they are not in some of the cup schemes they don't get a choice of tickets for cup finals, but they did offer him one for the FA cup later on at £250 this year, politely refused
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We're replacing supporters with fans. If they can put corporates in the Holte they can do anything.
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I'm pretty sure Man Utd were placing 1 game league bans on ST holders who did not attend home cup games at one stage a few years ago , no idea if they still do that , literally treating their fans with contempt
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there was one who said we should stop complaining and if you can't afford it someone else will.
I hate this sort of attitude. ******!
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Sorry to repeat myself from yesterday but I don't get this £30 cap for away fans but fleece the home fans rotten. It's so contradicting and just some sort of token gesture that is odd
The answer to that you have to have paid out for home games to be an away fan at most clubs. So the away ticket price for any fan is on top of these extortionate home ticket prices.
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Sorry to repeat myself from yesterday but I don't get this £30 cap for away fans but fleece the home fans rotten. It's so contradicting and just some sort of token gesture that is odd
The answer to that you have to have paid out for home games to be an away fan at most clubs. So the away ticket price for any fan is on top of these extortionate home ticket prices.
Didn't this come about after a coordinated fan backlash from across lots of clubs ? Was it twenties plenty campaign which ironically is now thirty
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Could we really sell out a 52k ground with 40-50 quid ticket prices and being 14th in the league with no cup runs?
Yes.
The thing is, we are criticising the club for being such money grabbing fuckers, but then also doubting their financial acumen in that if the above wasn't true, we wouldn't be making the ground bigger.
It's not good, it's too expensive, but from a business point of view, they know what they are doing, and building a new stand to have half the seats empty does not fit with that.
It's basic economics, we've got 30,000 people in a queue waiting for the right to spend several hundreds of pounds on a season ticket. That's scarcity and it winds up with raised prices.
If you look at other clubs, would we have thought, ten years ago, that West Ham could ever get 60k every home match? Or Spurs for that matter?
For decades now, the club has been run in an unambitious, plodding along way. Even under Lerner, when he spent big, we never bothered doing things like employing clued-up people with relevant experience, we didn't have a clue.
We have so much untapped potential, and this is the first time in my lifetime we've really looked like approaching fulfilling it. We even managed to win the league and the EC and end up in division two five years later, that's how badly this club has been run through the ages.
Spurs have been in europe pretty much every season since 2009 so that's helped them market the club to a wider fanbase for well over a decade.
If they'd built the 62k ground when they weren't even finishing top 6 in the 2000s I doubt they'd have been close to filling it. Only have to look at Arsenal getting sub 50k crowds at end of Wenger era (and during Unai's time) even if they kept on hilariously announcing it as 60k.
I get the potential aspect but we're coming from a long way down after the horrific management in the 2000s and 2010s.
Only 32k came to watch us v Stevenage a few months back. Now I get it was Stevenage and we'd just played Wolves, New year etc but ultimately if we really had thousands locked out for prem matches they could've just come to see the first game on our unstoppable path to FA cup glory....
Or it was a case of 35k fans suddenly didn't fancy paying extra for unattractive game and I think that will continue to be a problem as would imagine the europa games will be price at higher rates than FA cup 3rd round weekend and Thursday night is certainly more of an awkward time to get to VP than Sunday afternoon.
It's quite interesting the Stevenage crowd being so low when Everton got 39k at home to Boreham Wood in Feb 2022 as one example from recent times. That was a midweek game aswell.
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Bit different having a 3rd round game and a 5th round game though.
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I mentioned the price rises on Twitter. Most replies were of the same opinion as me but there was one who said we should stop complaining and if you can't afford it someone else will. That's football - pay up and keep quiet.
The "twenty is plenty" campaign showed when all fans come together and actually agree on something relative change can happen (even if the cap was eventually 30 quid but that's not too bad in the present climate considering away prices were heading past 50 quid even a decade ago).
Think you've referenced that a few times Dave but it's that tribalism element that so often stops Football actually treating its fans....sorry customers with some acknowledgment of their continual commitment.
FA cup in a year or two going to a pretty much midweek competition is yet another kick in the teeth that could perhaps be stopped if there was aligned fan engagement.
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Bit different having a 3rd round game and a 5th round game though.
Ironically Everton had next to no interest in the FA cup that tear, think they put out a reserve side in the next round at Palace a week or two later and lost 4-0.
I'd be surprised if we sold out the europa group games tbh (play off should be o.k as that's the crucial one). Not like we're going to be playing huge names at that stage when you look at who West Ham were playing so I await the demand with interest.
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I baulked at the league cup final the other year v Ci£y as the only ticket left was £150 . I heard that some non corporate FA Cup final tickets this year were £250 !!! The price of success !! It's not just villa it's endemic in the elite game
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Bit different having a 3rd round game and a 5th round game though.
What is this 5th round you refer to?
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I pointed this out at the time and on many occasions
If villa fans were that desperate for a slice of the action every game would have sold out, if there's that much demand . The club opened up the away section upper tier a couple of times and it failed to sell. Yes they made it awkward to buy but if the famous waiting list was that interested the tickets would fly .
Looking at the players we have at our disposal l currently I'd say 7th again would be a massive achievement. Those prices are unrealistic for a club that's been poor for a very long time. You'd expect that on the back of winning the Champions League, not qualifying for a 3rd tier European tournament.
It will be VERY interesting to see the take up for a low level European fixture in the winter months if we can't even sell out against Manchester City in December.
You'll price out the loyal working class and then they might just not return when we inevitably at some stage, end up in the shit again
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There are about 361 Terrace View/Season Ticket packages left. Gives and indication of take up if you can recall the total amount, maybe about 100? 150?
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I thought the thing had a capacity of 1,000 people?
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There's a guy on Twitter confirming he's signed up to the Terrace View for £1,560. He was over 7k on the waiting list last June. He doesn't seem sure if he has full ST renewal rights or not.
Someone else said they called hospitality and asked and were told if you take it up you lose your position on the main waiting list, plus you cannot relocate in future.
It seems an absolute farce, the club don't seem to know what they're selling and people don't seem to know what they're buying. I reckon loads of people would pay £1.5k as a one off to get a permanent ST. I hope this isn't what the club is doing.
Apparently, approx 300 were made available, which suggests less than 700 of the fans who 'asked for this in their feedback' actually wanted it.
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There are about 361 Terrace View/Season Ticket packages left. Gives and indication of take up if you can recall the total amount, maybe about 100? 150?
Where is the seat for that package, is it just a random seat in the Holte End Upper or are they all sat together in say a central location ? Or is the package a bolt on to the existing ST (if you had one ?)
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There are about 361 Terrace View/Season Ticket packages left. Gives and indication of take up if you can recall the total amount, maybe about 100? 150?
Where is the seat for that package, is it just a random seat in the Holte End Upper or are they all sat together in say a central location ? Or is the package a bolt on to the existing ST (if you had one ?)
There is a bolt on package available to existing ST holders - that's about £475, so £25 quid per game.
The ones taking up the 1,560 package will get a guaranteed seat (I presume the same one for the whole season) It's definitely not in an allocated block all together, as there's nowhere in the Holte where there would be 300n seats together.
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Surely if they have bought that package, it's like any other hospitality package in the ground and they have to renew it next year or lose their seat?
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I think calling it hospitality is a bit of a misnomer.
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We're replacing supporters with fans. If they can put corporates in the Holte they can do anything.
Now they're flogging Terrace View season tickets for £1,560 there's no doubt in my mind the next step is a block of padded seats at the front of the upper Holte. It's the only way they can even try to justify that sort of price.
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I pointed this out at the time and on many occasions
If villa fans were that desperate for a slice of the action every game would have sold out, if there's that much demand . The club opened up the away section upper tier a couple of times and it failed to sell. Yes they made it awkward to buy but if the famous waiting list was that interested the tickets would fly .
Looking at the players we have at our disposal l currently I'd say 7th again would be a massive achievement. Those prices are unrealistic for a club that's been poor for a very long time. You'd expect that on the back of winning the Champions League, not qualifying for a 3rd tier European tournament.
It will be VERY interesting to see the take up for a low level European fixture in the winter months if we can't even sell out against Manchester City in December.
You'll price out the loyal working class and then they might just not return when we inevitably at some stage, end up in the shit again
There's a difference between wanting a season ticket and being desperate to go to a midweek game against Stevenage at an expensive time of year. Most people on the ST list will get to plenty of games through a season so won't be desperate every time there's a less attractive game.
The list exists. There will be some on it who won't necessarily put their money where their mouth is, but I've no doubt there's 20k or so who would.
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I pointed this out at the time and on many occasions
If villa fans were that desperate for a slice of the action every game would have sold out, if there's that much demand . The club opened up the away section upper tier a couple of times and it failed to sell. Yes they made it awkward to buy but if the famous waiting list was that interested the tickets would fly .
Looking at the players we have at our disposal l currently I'd say 7th again would be a massive achievement. Those prices are unrealistic for a club that's been poor for a very long time. You'd expect that on the back of winning the Champions League, not qualifying for a 3rd tier European tournament.
It will be VERY interesting to see the take up for a low level European fixture in the winter months if we can't even sell out against Manchester City in December.
You'll price out the loyal working class and then they might just not return when we inevitably at some stage, end up in the shit again
There's a difference between wanting a season ticket and being desperate to go to a midweek game against Stevenage at an expensive time of year. Most people on the ST list will get to plenty of games through a season so won't be desperate every time there's a less attractive game.
The list exists. There will be some on it who won't necessarily put their money where their mouth is, but I've no doubt there's 20k or so who would.
Don't bother trying to explain the difference between wanting a season ticket and wanting a ticket for an individual game, and dozens of people have explained it to him, but he won't (or can't) understand.
Also "if we can't even sell out against Manchester City in December"????
Moaning about not selling out matches five months before they actually happen?
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I'm sorry but if there's 30,000 people on a list wanting a slice of the action and all this so called demand, Manchester City in the league would sell out,I don't care if there was 5 or 5,000 UNSOLD seats , if you have that many people wanting to see the team they'd be snapped up.
We have not got the demand or consistent champions League runs to maintain the level of support we've picked up recently unlike say Manchester United.
We're only 12 positions away from discontent and people dropping out
Would you pay £60 odd quid to watch Villa 4th from bottom ? That will be the test
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I don't think the Wolves game sold out either , yes it was midweek but you'd still expect it to sell out ?
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I have a season ticket but couln't be arsed with the Stevenage game, especially as it was a Sunday 4.30pm kick off. That would mean not getting home until 9ish, which would result in serious earache from SWMBO.
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I don't think the Wolves game sold out either , yes it was midweek but you'd still expect it to sell out ?
Of course
The club also suggest it's a category A so will be very interesting to see if the waiting list stump up £63 to see us play Wolverhampton
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I don't think the Wolves game sold out either , yes it was midweek but you'd still expect it to sell out ?
Transport strike as well that day.
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I'm sorry but if there's 30,000 people on a list wanting a slice of the action and all this so called demand, Manchester City in the league would sell out
Which Man City in the league game are you talking about?
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I'm sorry but if there's 30,000 people on a list wanting a slice of the action and all this so called demand, Manchester City in the league would sell out
Which Man City in the league game are you talking about?
I'm sure it was November/December last year, possibly the year before. There were a couple of games that did not sell out
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This is so fucking boring.
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So you're worried we won't sell out when we are fourth from bottom? I'd be more worried about us being fourth from bottom, tbh.
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I'm sorry but if there's 30,000 people on a list wanting a slice of the action and all this so called demand, Manchester City in the league would sell out,I don't care if there was 5 or 5,000 UNSOLD seats , if you have that many people wanting to see the team they'd be snapped up.
We have not got the demand or consistent champions League runs to maintain the level of support we've picked up recently unlike say Manchester United.
We're only 12 positions away from discontent and people dropping out
Would you pay £60 odd quid to watch Villa 4th from bottom ? That will be the test
West Ham did last season and they were crappy
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London club - tourists-
Everything in london sells well because you have thousands of people looking for something to do
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This is so fucking boring.
Agreed.
It's very fucking boring.
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London club - tourists-
Everything in london sells well because you have thousands of people looking for something to do
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This is so fucking boring.
Agreed.
It's very fucking boring.
same old shit
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London club - tourists-
Everything in london sells well because you have thousands of people looking for something to do
but they were 4 from bottom were they not
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West Ham did well with league attendances , generally 62,400 !!
But the crowds dipped in Europe , just looked the QF had 53,000
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West Hams crowds are much more than I expected them to get, particularly for such a shit stadium. Fair play to them, I never thought of them as big enough to get 60k fans, London based or not.
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I think there was a report out though, that said that West Ham's "official" crowd is always much, much higher than the actual number of people in the ground.
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West Hams crowds are much more than I expected them to get, particularly for such a shit stadium. Fair play to them, I never thought of them as big enough to get 60k fans, London based or not.
I had a look last season and found that I could easily get tickets for all of their upcoming home games with no booking history. I suspect they really are cashing in on tourism as if you are visiting the UK and want to see a Premier League game down there, you're going to struggle to get into the rest.
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West Hams crowds are much more than I expected them to get, particularly for such a shit stadium. Fair play to them, I never thought of them as big enough to get 60k fans, London based or not.
I had a look last season and found that I could easily get tickets for all of their upcoming home games with no booking history. I suspect they really are cashing in on tourism as if you are visiting the UK and want to see a Premier League game down there, you're going to struggle to get into the rest.
just checked and it hasn't changed , anyone can buy tickets online into that ground
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Imagine the West Ham Bedrock resident! He'd be doing his nut...
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I think there was a report out though, that said that West Ham's "official" crowd is always much, much higher than the actual number of people in the ground.
There were blocks of empty seats in the home end when we played them last season. It’s the easiest ground in the country to get to on public transport, easy to get a pint in the ground, the worst ground in the league to watch football in though. Certainly wouldn’t want to go there every week. I think their cheapest season tickets are quite affordable though. Under £100 for U-18s.
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Its horrendous getting away from there apparently, watch West Ham fans start leaving on 75 mins
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Its horrendous getting away from there apparently, watch West Ham fans start leaving on 75 mins
Yeah, we left on 81 minutes last time as we were there for absolutely ages trying to get out the year before by car.
It's made worse for away fans as they block off the access and make you walk the long way back round.
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Worst ground I've ever been to. Absolutely soul destroying.
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That’s the best thing about it- how quickly you can get away from it after the game.
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Its horrendous getting away from there apparently, watch West Ham fans start leaving on 75 mins
Yeah, we left on 81 minutes last time as we were there for absolutely ages trying to get out the year before by car.
It's made worse for away fans as they block off the access and make you walk the long way back round.
Walk to Pudding Mill Lane station instead of Stratford and there’s no crowd and no police blocks.
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Worst ground I've ever been to. Absolutely soul destroying.
Spot on. The worst “football ground” I’ve ever been to. I should have brought binoculars with me to watch the game i was that far from the pitch.
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That’s the best thing about it- how quickly you can get away from it after the game.
It's quick to get to, one stop from Kings Cross. Getting away though is hideous, and I expect Pudding Mill Lane is absolutely no use whatsoever for 99.9% of away fans!
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That’s the best thing about it- how quickly you can get away from it after the game.
It's quick to get to, one stop from Kings Cross. Getting away though is hideous, and I expect Pudding Mill Lane is absolutely no use whatsoever for 99.9% of away fans!
Bloody tourists…
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Upton Park was a pain to get away from as well, even though the Tube was just across the street.
Last time I walked to East Ham and got on there
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That’s the best thing about it- how quickly you can get away from it after the game.
It's quick to get to, one stop from Kings Cross. Getting away though is hideous, and I expect Pudding Mill Lane is absolutely no use whatsoever for 99.9% of away fans!
Bloody tourists…
Bloody Cockneys...
;)
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Yeah I saw that, and the premium Holte queue jumping I hadn’t thought about.
2/7/21 So my 2yo went on the list at 5months old. I regret not doing it sooner.
1/6/22 “number 12,553 on the waiting list currently”
7/9/22 Season tickets are sold out for the 22/23 season. # 12136
11/22 told over 27k on w/list. (I forget what it’s up to now?)
24/4/23 email # 12,118 on list
Not happening soon is it!
Will update this with the new position if they send it out, presume they might now sold out?
So my nearly 2.5yo has been invited to splash the cash on the terrace view today.
Of note
"Please be aware that this does not count as one of your waiting list strikes. As per the waiting list terms and conditions, if you do not purchase a Season Ticket after being invited to do so on three separate occasions, you will be automatically removed from the Waiting List. This does not apply in this instance."
beyond that not v obvious what entitlement it brings, even with briefest of looks to FAQ....
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It gives you two pints and a programme in an area which used to be free but now has a couple of benches in it so they're charging entry. In addition, you get a seat in the Upper Holte which could be absolutely anywhere. You won't find out until the ST gets delivered to you.
For this, the price is £1,560, compared to the £1,260 the package would cost to Holte Upper Season ticket holders who were offered it. Whilst you renew that ticket, you can't relocate it anywhere else and your waiting list spot doesn't move. I think the £300 is a 'just because we think enough of you will pay it' fee.
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It gives you two pints and a programme in an area which used to be free but now has a couple of benches in it so they're charging entry. In addition, you get a seat in the Upper Holte which could be absolutely anywhere. You won't find out until the ST gets delivered to you.
For this, the price is £1,560, compared to the £1,260 the package would cost to Holte Upper Season ticket holders who were offered it. Whilst you renew that ticket, you can't relocate it anywhere else and your waiting list spot doesn't move. I think the £300 is a 'just because we think enough of you will pay it' fee.
I got a invite, the link/page doesn’t even work.
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It gives you two pints and a programme in an area which used to be free but now has a couple of benches in it so they're charging entry. In addition, you get a seat in the Upper Holte which could be absolutely anywhere. You won't find out until the ST gets delivered to you.
For this, the price is £1,560, compared to the £1,260 the package would cost to Holte Upper Season ticket holders who were offered it. Whilst you renew that ticket, you can't relocate it anywhere else and your waiting list spot doesn't move. I think the £300 is a 'just because we think enough of you will pay it' fee.
This is an excellent summary of what I have heard. Although some have been told if they take it up they are no longer on the ST waiting list, which is a massive flaw if true.
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I've seen pics of an area of the lower Holte that has been remodelled for disabled and also terrace view ? Thats how its described anyway
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Worst ground I've ever been to. Absolutely soul destroying.
Spot on. The worst “football ground” I’ve ever been to. I should have brought binoculars with me to watch the game i was that far from the pitch.
I’ve been high up in the side stand for athletics and I imagine that is fine for football too as it’s a single tiered bank. The away end is indeed the most soul destroying stand in football with a colossal gap between upper and lower and a Berlin Wall construction on the left. All a small train ride from the pitch, which is probably why the atmosphere is abysmal.
Re attendances, a mate tells me their tickets are surprisingly cheap for London and his lad pays
£100 per season.
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they've got sheff utd tickets up for £68, the only chelsea tickets left are £199 in a corporate lite type area
I went there for the Olympics and the view was great watching runners on the track but shot put / javelin was miles away so watched on the screen
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I've seen pics of an area of the lower Holte that has been remodelled for disabled and also terrace view ? Thats how its described anyway
can you show me the picture, that's where my seat is, they said I have to relocate and now said we may not have too, so we are waiting for it to be finished and we can go and view it
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I've seen pics of an area of the lower Holte that has been remodelled for disabled and also terrace view ? Thats how its described anyway
can you show me the picture, that's where my seat is, they said I have to relocate and now said we may not have too, so we are waiting for it to be finished and we can go and view it
I tried to copy it here off Twitter mate but hit technical snag , I'll try again, it looks odd, like a slightly sunken block of seats with access at the back to what I assume is this terrace thing
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/april/24/introducing--the-terrace-view/
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/april/24/introducing--the-terrace-view/
I mean, it looks amazing. Never in a month of Sundays but I pay for it, but it does look good.
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/april/24/introducing--the-terrace-view/
I mean, it looks amazing. Never in a month of Sundays but I pay for it, but it does look good.
"The Ultimate Fan Matchday Experience". That would be the last game of the season as we smash Man City 4-0 to win the League not an overpriced pint in a beer garden surely?
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/april/24/introducing--the-terrace-view/
With half of those supporters who participated in our survey interested in a new enhanced fan experience in the Holte End.....
We've decided to reduce the space and facilities for 80% of them to try and rake in a bit more cash.
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/april/24/introducing--the-terrace-view/
With half of those supporters who participated in our survey interested in a new enhanced fan experience in the Holte End.....
We've decided to reduce the space and facilities for 80% of them to try and rake in a bit more cash.
I know its the bullshit bingo spin, just treating everyone like they are thick. That crap grates almost as much as the price hikes. Anyway…
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/april/24/introducing--the-terrace-view/
I mean, it looks amazing. Never in a month of Sundays but I pay for it, but it does look good.
Does it? It's a new lick of paint on an existing concourse with loads of facilities ripped out (two massive toilets and one smaller one). The stated capacity of 1000 means most people will be standing rather than leaning on the benches. There will be no windows towards the field during or immediately prior to the game due to licencing rules. As far as I can tell, it's just the current concourse with a bit of strobe lighting, a lick of paint, and a couple of benches?
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Upton Park was a pain to get away from as well, even though the Tube was just across the street.
Last time I walked to East Ham and got on there
I remember being stuck in traffic on the way out and sending my brother out for fish and chips, he was back with 3 portions and we'd moved about 10 yards.
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(https://i.ibb.co/sym1yyJ/F1a-Pa-KWIAEzf-T3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sym1yyJ)
here's that area of seating in Holte Lower
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Upton Park was a pain to get away from as well, even though the Tube was just across the street.
Last time I walked to East Ham and got on there
I remember being stuck in traffic on the way out and sending my brother out for fish and chips, he was back with 3 portions and we'd moved about 10 yards.
At least it was easy for him to find your place then.
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It gives you two pints and a programme in an area which used to be free but now has a couple of benches in it so they're charging entry. In addition, you get a seat in the Upper Holte which could be absolutely anywhere. You won't find out until the ST gets delivered to you.
For this, the price is £1,560, compared to the £1,260 the package would cost to Holte Upper Season ticket holders who were offered it. Whilst you renew that ticket, you can't relocate it anywhere else and your waiting list spot doesn't move. I think the £300 is a 'just because we think enough of you will pay it' fee.
This is an excellent summary of what I have heard. Although some have been told if they take it up they are no longer on the ST waiting list, which is a massive flaw if true.
It's in the FAQ.
2 pints and programme and a lanyard for each game. There are ex Players doing a Q&A. Access for 2.5 hours before and 1.5hrs after each game. I'ts league games onlyy, with availability for other games and priorty given to Terrace View Holders.
If you take it up, you lose your place on the regular season ticket waiting list, and if you then don't renew your Terrace View ticket, you join the regular list again at the bottom.
You get the best available seat in Holte Upper, which could include Rail Seating.
I was invited yesterday, but my lad wasn't.
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It gives you two pints and a programme in an area which used to be free but now has a couple of benches in it so they're charging entry. In addition, you get a seat in the Upper Holte which could be absolutely anywhere. You won't find out until the ST gets delivered to you.
For this, the price is £1,560, compared to the £1,260 the package would cost to Holte Upper Season ticket holders who were offered it. Whilst you renew that ticket, you can't relocate it anywhere else and your waiting list spot doesn't move. I think the £300 is a 'just because we think enough of you will pay it' fee.
This is an excellent summary of what I have heard. Although some have been told if they take it up they are no longer on the ST waiting list, which is a massive flaw if true.
It's in the FAQ.
2 pints and programme and a lanyard for each game. There are ex Players doing a Q&A. Access for 2.5 hours before and 1.5hrs after each game. I'ts league games onlyy, with availability for other games and priorty given to Terrace View Holders.
If you take it up, you lose your place on the regular season ticket waiting list, and if you then don't renew your Terrace View ticket, you join the regular list again at the bottom.
You get the best available seat in Holte Upper, which could include Rail Seating.
I was invited yesterday, but my lad wasn't.
This is the uncertain bit. I think different people have been told different things, but if I was on the waiting list and this was true it would be a deal breaker for me.
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/april/24/introducing--the-terrace-view/
I notice that the graphics include the view of the Terrace but not the view from the Terrace, which would just be of the plebs in the Holte End car park
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/april/24/introducing--the-terrace-view/
I notice that the graphics include the view of the Terrace but not the view from the Terrace, which would just be of the plebs in the Holte End car park
sweeping views across the burger and hot dog vans
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I think that it looks like a very nice space. It's the compromise to the space for the rest of us that annoys me the most - losing the main bar and the largest toilets etc I can't see it being anything other than a much shitter experience for the 80%.
Well that and the fact I'm convinced there will be some padded seats in the Holte within the next 2-3 seasons.
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Well that and the fact I'm convinced there will be some padded seats in the Holte within the next 2-3 seasons.
and carpet underneath their feet
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I've had the email invite for Terrace View this afternoon. They must be struggling to shift these packages
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Hope they are.
Bastards
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Great to see true fans showing their support right behind the club.
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It gives you two pints and a programme in an area which used to be free but now has a couple of benches in it so they're charging entry. In addition, you get a seat in the Upper Holte which could be absolutely anywhere. You won't find out until the ST gets delivered to you.
For this, the price is £1,560, compared to the £1,260 the package would cost to Holte Upper Season ticket holders who were offered it. Whilst you renew that ticket, you can't relocate it anywhere else and your waiting list spot doesn't move. I think the £300 is a 'just because we think enough of you will pay it' fee.
This is an excellent summary of what I have heard. Although some have been told if they take it up they are no longer on the ST waiting list, which is a massive flaw if true.
It's in the FAQ.
2 pints and programme and a lanyard for each game. There are ex Players doing a Q&A. Access for 2.5 hours before and 1.5hrs after each game. I'ts league games onlyy, with availability for other games and priorty given to Terrace View Holders.
If you take it up, you lose your place on the regular season ticket waiting list, and if you then don't renew your Terrace View ticket, you join the regular list again at the bottom.
You get the best available seat in Holte Upper, which could include Rail Seating.
I was invited yesterday, but my lad wasn't.
This is the uncertain bit. I think different people have been told different things, but if I was on the waiting list and this was true it would be a deal breaker for me.
That's what the FAQ says, quite clearly.
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Great to see true fans showing their support right behind the club.
The club has done a lot of things very well and we're lucky to have such excellent owners. But any genuine fan would have told them the Terrace View idea in the Holte was a bad one, partly because it's not the right stand for corporate and mostly as it is impacting on the majority to create a bit of cash from a few. I think they will just about make it wash to save face, but I very much want it to fail as it should be a valuable lesson.
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Great to see true fans showing their support right behind the club.
The club has done a lot of things very well and we're lucky to have such excellent owners. But any genuine fan would have told them the Terrace View idea in the Holte was a bad one, partly because it's not the right stand for corporate and mostly as it is impacting on the majority to create a bit of cash from a few. I think they will just about make it wash to save face, but I very much want it to fail as it should be a valuable lesson.
If they want to make people pay premium prices for the best seats in the stadium I think people would be more accepting if the club were open and honest about it and explained clearly what they’re trying to achieve. Yes people will be pissed off if they’ve sat in a particular area for years. The move to premium seating has been going on by stealth for the last 15 years and was very much accelerated by Purslow in the last few years. My own wish is that the club once they build the new North Stand come out clearly and state which areas they are designating for this type of seating rather than pussyfooting around marketing bollocks and fan surveys etc. it would of course be helped if they reduced or held prices in areas which aren’t seen as premium seating.
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Great to see true fans showing their support right behind the club.
The club has done a lot of things very well and we're lucky to have such excellent owners. But any genuine fan would have told them the Terrace View idea in the Holte was a bad one, partly because it's not the right stand for corporate and mostly as it is impacting on the majority to create a bit of cash from a few. I think they will just about make it wash to save face, but I very much want it to fail as it should be a valuable lesson.
The Terrace View isn't corporate though, nobody's going to be taking clients there. It's just an "enhanced" more expensive offering, like you get in lots of the new stadia these days, such as Spurs and Wembley.
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Great to see true fans showing their support right behind the club.
The club has done a lot of things very well and we're lucky to have such excellent owners. But any genuine fan would have told them the Terrace View idea in the Holte was a bad one, partly because it's not the right stand for corporate and mostly as it is impacting on the majority to create a bit of cash from a few. I think they will just about make it wash to save face, but I very much want it to fail as it should be a valuable lesson.
The Terrace View isn't corporate though, nobody's going to be taking clients there. It's just an "enhanced" more expensive offering, like you get in lots of the new stadia these days, such as Spurs and Wembley.
Well yes, corporate is the wrong term for now. But a private lounge which could well in due course have private access to padded seats...
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When it was first announced the price was shown as £1,300 plus VAT. That shows the sort of market they were going for.
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When it was first announced the price was shown as £1,300 plus VAT. That shows the sort of market they were going for.
The people in the waiting list who don't mind spending more to get a season ticket.
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When it was first announced the price was shown as £1,300 plus VAT. That shows the sort of market they were going for.
The people in the waiting list who don't mind spending more to get a season ticket.
Which isn't really working if they have already got to offering it to those at 12500....
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I wish they'd be equally as keen to invest in better service offerings in all other areas of VP. They'd make more money off faster pouring systems in all stands across a season than they will on the Terrace View.
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its a good test of the "pent up demand"
Maybe they'll take some learnings from this
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Lets face it they do these things in stages. The 1888 seats were allocated this season. These have been Zone 1 seats for decades, but now they're padded with approx £100 premium on the Z1 price. Next season that gap will grow and eventually, they will be fully swallowed up.
I think they're doing the same with the Terrace View. I just don't see how the planned next phases wont include a premium area at the front of the upper Holte. The aim is probably 1,000 premium seats with access to the terrace view bar. If we don't push back now it's bound to happen.
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Utter garbage, we do not have the type of fan base for this nonsense.
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Utter garbage, we do not have the type of fan base for this nonsense.
The fact we sell out every week would seem to make your assertion nonsense.
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Utter garbage, we do not have the type of fan base for this nonsense.
The fact we sell out every week would seem to make your assertion nonsense.
Not true
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If the front row of the Upper Holte is Terrace View, will we see a change in the banners being displayed? Out with 'Villa/Stella/Balti', in with 'Villa/Fizz/Vol-au-vents'?
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I think they would be better off working on more corporate in the Witton Lane. Restructure the stand so you have less seats but with a premium for this space
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Witton Upper in the middle is prime for Corporate and they could convert the old Lions Club into the lounge where they serve up the seriously overpriced mediocre food
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Is that lions bar not in use anymore?
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Is that lions bar not in use anymore?
I'm not sure , we used to be able to use it as a ST holder but don't think we can anymore . Not been in there for years
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Utter garbage, we do not have the type of fan base for this nonsense.
Oh we do.I welcomed the raise in season ticket prices and move to premium beverages provision areas as in upper Holte. I only wish when most of us, Squires from Shires, arrive at Villa Park there was ample room for parking our Range Rovers. But can't moan as long as it keeps out lower class riff-raff.
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Utter garbage, we do not have the type of fan base for this nonsense.
Oh we do.I welcomed the raise in season ticket prices and move to premium beverages provision areas as in upper Holte. I only wish when most of us, Squires from Shires, arrive at Villa Park there was ample room for parking our Range Rovers. But can't moan as long as it keeps out lower class riff-raff.
Exactly. Everybody knows we're a middle class club with a large mainly middle class fan base.
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We didn't have that sort of fan base but it's becoming increasingly so and Purslow's ideal was to increase it to maximum. What Heck thinks we shall have to see.
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Utter garbage, we do not have the type of fan base for this nonsense.
That's what West Ham fans probably said
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Utter garbage, we do not have the type of fan base for this nonsense.
That's what West Ham fans probably said
hell of a lot of tourists and casuals there / day trippers etc. Tickets available to anyone
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Is that lions bar not in use anymore?
It's Bar 1874 now, which you can pay for. Or win in a Pride Rewards raffle.
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Is that lions bar not in use anymore?
It's Bar 1874 now, which you can pay for. Or win in a Pride Rewards raffle.
Primed and ready for full corporate transition
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Utter garbage, we do not have the type of fan base for this nonsense.
That's what West Ham fans probably said
hell of a lot of tourists and casuals there / day trippers etc. Tickets available to anyone
thought he was on about corporate fans
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Apologies if it's been mentioned previously, but any idea when season tickets are (or have been?!) posted out?
Not long to go now, and I've received nout so far.
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Still waiting for the new disabled seating to be sorted in the lower Holte first, anyone got updates on it
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Just saw this via Twitter: https://villatrust.org.uk/aston-villa-ticket-statement/
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Saying that the club is trying to charge £1500 for the Terrace View is a little misleading.
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Saying that the club is trying to charge £1500 for the Terrace View is a little misleading.
It needs some clarification, but most reading will realise that the £1500 is a season ticket rather than just bar access.
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Saying that the club is trying to charge £1500 for the Terrace View is a little misleading.
True - they're trying to charge £1,560.
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Saying that the club is trying to charge £1500 for the Terrace View is a little misleading.
True - they're trying to charge £1,560.
I mean for the add on price or whatever it is which is about £480. The £1500 is with the season ticket malarkey. There's no mention of the original add on price at all. They could at least be clear about it.
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Saying that the club is trying to charge £1500 for the Terrace View is a little misleading.
True - they're trying to charge £1,560.
I mean for the add on price or whatever it is which is about £480. The £1500 is with the season ticket malarkey. There's no mention of the original add on price at all. They could at least be clear about it.
It's not well-written at all even if the sentiment is understandable.
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That does include 38 pints of luke warm Carling
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Saying that the club is trying to charge £1500 for the Terrace View is a little misleading.
True - they're trying to charge £1,560.
I mean for the add on price or whatever it is which is about £480. The £1500 is with the season ticket malarkey. There's no mention of the original add on price at all. They could at least be clear about it.
It's not well-written at all even if the sentiment is understandable.
Oh I thought it was just me being precious about it, I found absorbent rather than exorbitant really distracting.
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I can’t really find anything to disagree with in that statement. To quote/steal a text sent to me from from Pat McMahon, the club do seem intent on encouraging the sort of fan base that we mock other clubs for having.
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so if you buy a place in Terrace View it sounds like you will have an account manager who will help you get away tickets ?
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Every few days there is a little something more that makes the ticking clock of my regular attendance at Villa Park a bit louder.....
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I actually think time served home and away fans should get some kind of ‘concierge’ level of service from the club just as part of an entry level customer service process to acknowledge loyalty, but in the world of footy that will never happen and instead they are offering it to newbies with deeper pockets.
I get the angst about people jumping the queue but there would also be some people not on the waiting list who would describe themselves as ‘diehards’ who know they couldn’t afford our season ticket prices let alone anything more expensive.
Sadly that’s the way it is these days and there will be plenty in our region who would forgo ‘kids for a quid’ prices to be in our position.
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That does include 38 pints of luke warm Carling
sounds like my average weekend
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Every few days there is a little something more that makes the ticking clock of my regular attendance at Villa Park a bit louder.....
That’s true for everyone. It’s called aging. I know you’re referring to the level of price increase but the consolation will be that by the time you’re of pensionable age you’ll only be paying probably twice what you’re paying now!
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I'm fully aware that despite my many years of sitting through utter shite, The Villa want me to fuck off and vacate my cracking seat in the Witton Upper, to someone with a lot more disposable income.
The boasts of a 30,000 season ticket waiting list won't mean shit if we do a Leicester in a couple of years. It wasn't that long ago that the Trinity Upper was shut and there were empty seats dotted all over Villa Park.
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Witton Upper middle block will be corporate before long i reckon
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Witton Upper middle block will be corporate before long i reckon
That’s my seat ?
Why would you say that?
And there is no way they could put corporate types in the upper…..you can’t swing a kitten in the concourses up there so the hoi poloi won’t be impressed.
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What is the corporate hospitality like in there? There can’t be that much room fir the existing boxes, can there?
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I do pay a premium to sit in B3 in the Trinity but worryingly they have said that next season the seats will be padded - I think that they will want to use this as a reason to kick us out and turn into another add on corporate hospitality area aligned to the Gas Lamp Lounge which I have to say is overpriced for what is offered.
I remember Tony Stephens (?) saying years ago that it was the Corporate boxes etc that were the real money earners not the ‘turnstile’ income.
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Witton Upper middle block will be corporate before long i reckon
I think those awful stairs might be a bit if a limitation.
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I would say that them padding your seat is an absolutely cast iron guarantee that your seat is going to get significantly more expensive and quite possibly become ‘a corporate’.
They won’t be doing that out of the kindness of their hearts.
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I do pay a premium to sit in B3 in the Trinity but worryingly they have said that next season the seats will be padded - I think that they will want to use this as a reason to kick us out and turn into another add on corporate hospitality area aligned to the Gas Lamp Lounge which I have to say is overpriced for what is offered.
I remember Tony Stephens (?) saying years ago that it was the Corporate boxes etc that were the real money earners not the ‘turnstile’ income.
It’s now the corporate seat and a but of grub , boxes ar very passé and poor returns from a £ per square metre.
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Witton Upper middle block will be corporate before long i reckon
That’s my seat ?
Why would you say that?
And there is no way they could put corporate types in the upper…..you can’t swing a kitten in the concourses up there so the hoi poloi won’t be impressed.
I say it purely because they are some of the best seats in the ground. I don't want to give them ideas but they seem hell bent on exploiting every opportunity to extract money from the customer base. We are literally just a number. I sit up there too which is why I've mentioned it .
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Every few days there is a little something more that makes the ticking clock of my regular attendance at Villa Park a bit louder.....
I’m hoping for one of those ticks next May….see us win the FA cup and that will be me done as a season ticket holder
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I remember Tony Stephens (?) saying years ago that it was the Corporate boxes etc that were the real money earners not the ‘turnstile’ income.
Not sure about that. In any business it's the volume that makes money. Pile em high sell em cheap is still true as it always has been.
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The missus has been offered the terrace view. Not sure how come, I'm assuming it's somehow linked to that time she got a ticket for the albion Cup game, the secrets of its procurement I believe she plans on taking to her grave.
She's not taking up the offer.
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The missus has been offered the terrace view. Not sure how come, I'm assuming it's somehow linked to that time she got a ticket for the albion Cup game, the secrets of its procurement I believe she plans on taking to her grave.
She's not taking up the offer.
sounds like they've been through the waiting list and are now contacting anyone left in the database
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I hope this backfires on them and the take-up remains poor. How desperate do they look.
A few seasons with big crowds and they act like this, we're only a bad season away from the upper trinity being closed down .
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We had a bad season and finished 14th. The upper Trinity remained full.
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I mean relegation
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I mean relegation
[/quoteI mean relegation
You're on the Meth early today. Teams don't drop from 7th to relegation without some behind the scenes troubles and players leaving. Neither are happening. You're talking shit again, worry about being beaten by Peterborough with a DVB as your manager.
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Look at Leicester PL champions, few years on. Championship. It can happen
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Why don't you post about memories of Christian Benteke?
You know positive stuff?
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Look at Leicester PL champions, few years on. Championship. It can happen
If Wes and Naz lost their fortune like the Leicester owner did, or if they turned into Randy Lerner overnight and if we didn’t happen to be the only potential huge club outside of London and the North West.
But if is doing some heavy lifting.
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Look at Leicester PL champions, few years on. Championship. It can happen
I am in no way a happy clapper, am definitely more at the cynical / half empty end of the scale, but honestly, where to even start with lines like this?
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It's fake anger. Ignore him.
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I mean relegation
Not likely is it? Look about whose dropped over the last 10 plus years. Its all just regression to mean. Why were promoted, as we've spent 100+ years at the thick end for a reason.
Leicester, Leeds, Swansea- all going back to where they've spent the bulk of their existence. Same will happen to Brighton, Brentford. Might take a few years but it's the way it goes.
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I mean relegation
Think of the positives.
You’ll get midweek Euro games off
Cheaper season tickets
Plenty of capacity, you might not need a ST.
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It's fake anger. Ignore him.
I'd love for him and FV to go for chips and drinks together.
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I got an email through, offering me:
"The Terrace View: Your chance to secure your place
Thank you for patiently waiting on our season ticket waiting list.
We're delighted to inform you that you now have a chance to buy a place in our new area, The Terrace View, for the 23/24 season for Fan ID xxxxx"
I must admit, I thought it was a wind-up - as if a tout was saying "Pssst - mate, your 25,000th-odd in the queue, if you gizz us just over a grand, I can get you into every fackin' game there, with pukka views and free beer".
I felt dirty. I'll soon have a mortgage for the first time in my life but if that wasn't the case, I don't think I'd even consider it due to the sheer brazenness of the club.
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I don’t have a problem with the concept of introducing a range of different packages, in order to broaden our supporter base, and ultimately increase income. I also wouldn’t have a problem with introducing different packages into specific areas of the ground, if we weren’t selling out, and they were empty. However, we are selling out, and I don’t think that the Holte is the right area for this to happen anyway. The Holte is largely a social phenomenon that has grown organically. There is clearly a risk that they will interfere with and damage it. Much better for this stuff to happen in expanded areas of the ground, without displacing people.
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I don’t have a problem with the concept of introducing a range of different packages, in order to broaden our supporter base, and ultimately increase income. I also wouldn’t have a problem with introducing different packages into specific areas of the ground, if we weren’t selling out, and they were empty. However, we are selling out, and I don’t think that the Holte is the right area for this to happen anyway. The Holte is largely a social phenomenon that has grown organically. There is clearly a risk that they will interfere with and damage it. Much better for this stuff to happen in expanded areas of the ground, without displacing people.
You're right. Upgrade other areas of the ground if you must but by and large the people who populate the Holte do so, not for comfort as such but to be part of the fan base that gets behind the team as a mass unit. As you say, it's organic. Back in the mid 70's it was only the back that really generated the noise, now, it's all of it. Improve the facilities is all that was needed in the Holte. I hope this Terrace View thing is a complete flop and I think it will be.
It's hard to see how the idea generated. Maybe all this data they've generated over the years brought them to the idea. Age/income/history of attending etc made them think it's a goer.
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I don’t have a problem with the concept of introducing a range of different packages, in order to broaden our supporter base, and ultimately increase income. I also wouldn’t have a problem with introducing different packages into specific areas of the ground, if we weren’t selling out, and they were empty. However, we are selling out, and I don’t think that the Holte is the right area for this to happen anyway. The Holte is largely a social phenomenon that has grown organically. There is clearly a risk that they will interfere with and damage it. Much better for this stuff to happen in expanded areas of the ground, without displacing people.
You're right. Upgrade other areas of the ground if you must but by and large the people who populate the Holte do so, not for comfort as such but to be part of the fan base that gets behind the team as a mass unit. As you say, it's organic. Back in the mid 70's it was only the back that really generated the noise, now, it's all of it. Improve the facilities is all that was needed in the Holte. I hope this Terrace View thing is a complete flop and I think it will be.
It's hard to see how the idea generated. Maybe all this data they've generated over the years brought them to the idea. Age/income/history of attending etc made them think it's a goer.
it was the result of the survey they did:
Do you want better wifi, catering and bar facilities?
Would you like somewhere to sit down before and after the match?
Do you want shorter queues at half-time?
Do you want to pay £25 a match for it?*
*One of these questions may not have been asked.
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I don’t have a problem with the concept of introducing a range of different packages, in order to broaden our supporter base, and ultimately increase income. I also wouldn’t have a problem with introducing different packages into specific areas of the ground, if we weren’t selling out, and they were empty. However, we are selling out, and I don’t think that the Holte is the right area for this to happen anyway. The Holte is largely a social phenomenon that has grown organically. There is clearly a risk that they will interfere with and damage it. Much better for this stuff to happen in expanded areas of the ground, without displacing people.
You're right. Upgrade other areas of the ground if you must but by and large the people who populate the Holte do so, not for comfort as such but to be part of the fan base that gets behind the team as a mass unit. As you say, it's organic. Back in the mid 70's it was only the back that really generated the noise, now, it's all of it. Improve the facilities is all that was needed in the Holte. I hope this Terrace View thing is a complete flop and I think it will be.
It's hard to see how the idea generated. Maybe all this data they've generated over the years brought them to the idea. Age/income/history of attending etc made them think it's a goer.
I think you are both spot on in your comments, and this could really dilute the Holte atmosphere. When I logged on to get my Everton ticket last week there wasn’t a single ticket in the upper Holte, my preferred part of the ground. Serves me right for not forking out £1500 for the terrace view experience.
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For every corporate area they shoehorn in , a few decibels of atmosphere will be lost . They need to be careful , or perhaps they don't care
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Look at Leicester PL champions, few years on. Championship. It can happen
I am clinically depressed, I come from Birmingham so I’m a natural pessimist, l am currently experiencing a bad run of random bad stuff happening to me, my son has put numerous ‘hilarious’ autocorrects on my phone, such as my name turning into idiot, but I am still not as miserable or cynical as this bloke is on an average day.
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Please stop all jumping on the bandwagon and having a pop at 'The Flin'. I was just using it as an example , IF we were to get relegated these current trend supporters would soon drop off, as would they if we finished 17th consistently.
The club are playing a dangerous game and I wholeheartedly agree with the supporters trust statement recently put out.
We aren't a big enough club to act like this, just look at the support for us today, I think I've seen more other club shirts in the stands than Villa ones. We are very much a local club still , with fans coming from the Midlands and a fan base that's very delicate but obviously big in number but not wealthy or stupid enough to buy a terrace view package , that's why they are scrambling around looking for someone to buy in. It's been an absolute disaster for the club and I'm delighted it has.
Football for the working class
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Please stop all jumping on the bandwagon and having a pop at 'The Flin'. I was just using it as an example , IF we were to get relegated these current trend supporters would soon drop off, as would they if we finished 17th consistently.
The club are playing a dangerous game and I wholeheartedly agree with the supporters trust statement recently put out.
We aren't a big enough club to act like this, just look at the support for us today, I think I've seen more other club shirts in the stands than Villa ones. We are very much a local club still , with fans coming from the Midlands and a fan base that's very delicate but obviously big in number but not wealthy or stupid enough to buy a terrace view package , that's why they are scrambling around looking for someone to buy in. It's been an absolute disaster for the club and I'm delighted it has.
Football for the working class
This issue is, you’re so insufferably negative on a daily basis that it’s as if you want us to do badly and not progress as a club.
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Please stop all jumping on the bandwagon and having a pop at 'The Flin'. I was just using it as an example , IF we were to get relegated these current trend supporters would soon drop off, as would they if we finished 17th consistently.
The club are playing a dangerous game and I wholeheartedly agree with the supporters trust statement recently put out.
We aren't a big enough club to act like this, just look at the support for us today, I think I've seen more other club shirts in the stands than Villa ones. We are very much a local club still , with fans coming from the Midlands and a fan base that's very delicate but obviously big in number but not wealthy or stupid enough to buy a terrace view package , that's why they are scrambling around looking for someone to buy in. It's been an absolute disaster for the club and I'm delighted it has.
Football for the working class
This issue is, you’re so insufferably negative on a daily basis that it’s as if you want us to do badly and not progress as a club.
Was going to comment but haven't got the energy anymore
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Please stop all jumping on the bandwagon and having a pop at 'The Flin'. I was just using it as an example , IF we were to get relegated these current trend supporters would soon drop off, as would they if we finished 17th consistently.
The club are playing a dangerous game and I wholeheartedly agree with the supporters trust statement recently put out.
We aren't a big enough club to act like this, just look at the support for us today, I think I've seen more other club shirts in the stands than Villa ones. We are very much a local club still , with fans coming from the Midlands and a fan base that's very delicate but obviously big in number but not wealthy or stupid enough to buy a terrace view package , that's why they are scrambling around looking for someone to buy in. It's been an absolute disaster for the club and I'm delighted it has.
Football for the working class
In all the diatribe there are some points I can sometimes agree with, but as another poster has said, the constant negativity is just draining.
And what do you actually mean by the working class?? Do you mean the diverse liw income communities living round by Villa Park who have never gone to the football, or felt able to? I tend to think your romanticising a version of white working class culture that largely doesn’t exist anymore.
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every day people or families on normal/average incomes especially families , imagine the cost for a family of 4 /5 . It's becoming out of reach for many.
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Please stop all jumping on the bandwagon and having a pop at 'The Flin'. I was just using it as an example , IF we were to get relegated these current trend supporters would soon drop off, as would they if we finished 17th consistently.
The club are playing a dangerous game and I wholeheartedly agree with the supporters trust statement recently put out.
We aren't a big enough club to act like this, just look at the support for us today, I think I've seen more other club shirts in the stands than Villa ones. We are very much a local club still , with fans coming from the Midlands and a fan base that's very delicate but obviously big in number but not wealthy or stupid enough to buy a terrace view package , that's why they are scrambling around looking for someone to buy in. It's been an absolute disaster for the club and I'm delighted it has.
Football for the working class
I’m working class and you in no way represent me.
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Your problem, Fin5tone, is that you're like the boy who cried wolf.
You moan on and on making the same point on the same issues for so long, that people just stop listening to you.
Then one day, you make a valid point but guess what, nobody cares because it's diluted by the ongoing 24/7 whine-fest you insist on,
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Where i sit if i took the Mrs and 2 of the kids i'd be looking at £272 for a Cat A game plus all the other expenses
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The club want the one off day trippers who spend more money than ‘we’ do all season. The type who rock up once a year as a family of four, all buy a shirt, get in the stadium when the doors open and buy the food.
We take the PL for granted and dont see it as the global phenomenon that it is. Its bucket list for lots of people globally.
I do the same when I watch my NFL team in the US. The regulars drink their own beer and grill burgers in the car park, I buy £15 beers in the stadium and spend hundreds in the club shop.
Get used to it and if you have a season ticket, keep hold of it, it’s only going to get worse as the overseas market requires our seats at a price we won’t or can’t pay.
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the owners are making up for the no-shows during covid
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Look at Leicester PL champions, few years on. Championship. It can happen
Happened over a course of years and with no investment in players compared to what was leaving. Not a bad season. You talk shit.
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The club want the one off day trippers who spend more money than ‘we’ do all season. The type who rock up once a year as a family of four, all buy a shirt, get in the stadium when the doors open and buy the food.
We take the PL for granted and dont see it as the global phenomenon that it is. Its bucket list for lots of people globally.
I do the same when I watch my NFL team in the US. The regulars drink their own beer and grill burgers in the car park, I buy £15 beers in the stadium and spend hundreds in the club shop.
Get used to it and if you have a season ticket, keep hold of it, it’s only going to get worse as the overseas market requires our seats at a price we won’t or can’t pay.
I don't think it is about wanting a certain type of fan over another, it's about them maximising revenue, however they do it.
It is basic economics around scarcity, unfortunately - they have 30,000 people waiting in a queue for the right to give them several hundreds pounds in advance, to attend every league game.
They know they can whack the prices up, and they are.
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It is what it is , I only renewed this season because of Emery .
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What's happening at Villa is happening all over the Premier League. It started with Manchester United, then Liverpool, the other big London clubs plus West Ham and now it's hitting us. Newcastle will be next. If demand exceeds supply and the demand just happens to in many cases be better off than your existing customers the answer is obvious - you chase the money. Expand the corporates, encourage the families. Tell your supporters it has to happen for progress; exploit their loyalty. If you want to see what it'll be like in five years time, look at the NFL now.
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How much is it to go to the NFL ?
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What's happening at Villa is happening all over the Premier League. It started with Manchester United, then Liverpool, the other big London clubs plus West Ham and now it's hitting us. Newcastle will be next. If demand exceeds supply and the demand just happens to in many cases be better off than your existing customers the answer is obvious - you chase the money. Expand the corporates, encourage the families. Tell your supporters it has to happen for progress; exploit their loyalty. If you want to see what it'll be like in five years time, look at the NFL now.
100% agree Dave….as you say it’s obvious where we are heading, for me it’s exactly why there is next to zero investment put into concourses, toilet facilities etc…they want long term fans to give up going to bring in new wave….nothing to do with Barney Rubbles tedious working class diatribes…it’s about reducing those with expectations & history to attract more who are grateful to be allowed to attend.
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How much is it to go to the NFL ?
Depends who you follow. I follow the Packers who have a waiting list like us. The season ticket holders can sell their tickets in the market. Face value is around £100 but will typically sell for double or treble that.
I suspect that a lot of season tickets holders dont actually go anymore as they are elderly, but sell their tickets for vast profit. I would say when I visit up to a third of the crowd are ‘day trippers’ in a season ticket holders only crowd and when I went to see us play the Dallas Cowboys last season a large minority of the crowd was cowboys fans. A bit like how it would be if we could tout to Man U or Liverpool fans for several hundreds pound for our seats… people would take the money.
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How come they are allowed to do that in the US yet we cant here ? We used to with Viagogo and you could set your own resale price
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How come they are allowed to do that in the US yet we cant here ? We used to with Viagogo and you could set your own resale price
That is effectively touting.
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How come they are allowed to do that in the US yet we cant here ? We used to with Viagogo and you could set your own resale price
That is effectively touting.
is that illegal though ? its only what happens at concerts and what the likes of Viagogo etc do anyway ?
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How come they are allowed to do that in the US yet we cant here ? We used to with Viagogo and you could set your own resale price
That is effectively touting.
is that illegal though ? its only what happens at concerts and what the likes of Viagogo etc do anyway ?
It doesn't really matter if it is illegal or not, the club get to decide how people can resell their product, and I entirely understand why they might not want to see people coining it in on tickets.
I don't see how it even benefits anyone but the person selling the seat - the scheme the club operate isn't perfect, there's obviously a 'take' in it for them and rules re when you can and can not do it, but it's better than the sort of toutery Viagogo engage in.
EDIT I just googled, and strictly speaking, it is illegal, yes.
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How come they are allowed to do that in the US yet we cant here ? We used to with Viagogo and you could set your own resale price
That is effectively touting.
is that illegal though ? its only what happens at concerts and what the likes of Viagogo etc do anyway ?
There's a specific law covering touting at football.
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Thank you for clarifying, i just wondered the difference between the US and UK on reselling/touting football tickets
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Clearly they can't shift the super expensive seats as they are desperately hunting down anyone who's ever bought a ticket to buy a terrace view pass ,so your NFL comparison it's not the same. We are Villa not Man Utd and we do not have that type of support. I'd say half the waiting list just clicked a button for free to join and the other half aren't rich and would fancy a season ticket at the right price and if it suited.
A more realistic comparison... Tourists / fans are very likely to go camp nou spend loads in the club shop, buy lots of food and drink (not beer as it's banned) and go all out . This would not happen at let's say Valencia(our level of club) as there's just not the pull like the giant clubs get.
London clubs have an advantage because of tourism , Villa simply do not attract that fan and believe me it will show on the dark cold nights in January when we have a bigger stadium and like with our current stadium nobody can be arsed for a night game and we don't sell out we will end up with 10k empty seats.
DON'T TAKE US FOR GRANTED
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A little ray if sunshine.
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How come they are allowed to do that in the US yet we cant here ? We used to with Viagogo and you could set your own resale price
I think it's down to H&S . If I ticket is sold on officially it has a name & address assigned to that specific seat, incase of an emergency they know who should be sitting there .
If tickets are just given or sold to just random people they don't.
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How come they are allowed to do that in the US yet we cant here ? We used to with Viagogo and you could set your own resale price
I think it's down to H&S . If I ticket is sold on officially it has a name & address assigned to that specific seat, incase of an emergency they know who should be sitting there .
If tickets are just given or sold to just random people they don't.
with viagogo you need an account / credit card address etc ?
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How come they are allowed to do that in the US yet we cant here ? We used to with Viagogo and you could set your own resale price
I think it's down to H&S . If I ticket is sold on officially it has a name & address assigned to that specific seat, incase of an emergency they know who should be sitting there .
If tickets are just given or sold to just random people they don't.
with viagogo you need an account / credit card address etc ?
That's what ive said .
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How come they are allowed to do that in the US yet we cant here ? We used to with Viagogo and you could set your own resale price
I think it's down to H&S . If I ticket is sold on officially it has a name & address assigned to that specific seat, incase of an emergency they know who should be sitting there .
If tickets are just given or sold to just random people they don't.
with viagogo you need an account / credit card address etc ?
That's what ive said .
ok what i was saying though that villa dont allow this anymore , the only resale is back via the club at face value less the cut they want.
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How come they are allowed to do that in the US yet we cant here ? We used to with Viagogo and you could set your own resale price
I think it's down to H&S . If I ticket is sold on officially it has a name & address assigned to that specific seat, incase of an emergency they know who should be sitting there .
If tickets are just given or sold to just random people they don't.
More likely it's down to someone making a pound that doesn't go to the club.
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How come they are allowed to do that in the US yet we cant here ? We used to with Viagogo and you could set your own resale price
I think it's down to H&S . If I ticket is sold on officially it has a name & address assigned to that specific seat, incase of an emergency they know who should be sitting there .
If tickets are just given or sold to just random people they don't.
More likely it's down to someone making a pound that doesn't go to the club.
I don't think it is to be honest.
The government & football authorities always wanted ID cards for football fans , this is the next best thing .
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The government did, the authorities didn't, but they do like to have a marketing database and never underestimate the overwhelming belief of a football club that every pound their supporters possess is only on loan.
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The season before last, I couldn't make Liverpool so sold the tickets back to the club. They sold them to Liverpool fans...
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What's happening at Villa is happening all over the Premier League. It started with Manchester United, then Liverpool, the other big London clubs plus West Ham and now it's hitting us. Newcastle will be next. If demand exceeds supply and the demand just happens to in many cases be better off than your existing customers the answer is obvious - you chase the money. Expand the corporates, encourage the families. Tell your supporters it has to happen for progress; exploit their loyalty. If you want to see what it'll be like in five years time, look at the NFL now.
100% agree Dave….as you say it’s obvious where we are heading, for me it’s exactly why there is next to zero investment put into concourses, toilet facilities etc…they want long term fans to give up going to bring in new wave….nothing to do with Barney Rubbles tedious working class diatribes…it’s about reducing those with expectations & history to attract more who are grateful to be allowed to attend.
I think this stance is very melodramatic.
I'm annoyed by the terrace view as much as anyone. But ultimately I think the club just wants to increase revenue with a larger percentage of corporate seats. The main benefit of the North stand wont be the extra capacity, but how it allows them to shuffle seats and create more corporate space. Those in the 1888 seats are on borrowed time as will those around them soon enough.
But I think the last thing the club wants is for long term supporters to give up going, but they do want to squeeze us where they can.
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As for club resale of tickets, it mostly works well. Yes I get that the club can resell at full match ticket value, but the whole point of a season ticket is you get a discount for buying in bulk. It doesn't make any sense that you could simply sell these back to the club at the price you paid as that is having your cake and eating it. In theory you could then attend half the games at ST prices and sell the rest back at no loss.
It's irrelevant what the club can sell them for, it's reasonable that the sell back price is what you paid less an admin fee. That admin fee is probably less than you are saving from the non season ticket price for each Cat 1 game.
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What's happening at Villa is happening all over the Premier League. It started with Manchester United, then Liverpool, the other big London clubs plus West Ham and now it's hitting us. Newcastle will be next. If demand exceeds supply and the demand just happens to in many cases be better off than your existing customers the answer is obvious - you chase the money. Expand the corporates, encourage the families. Tell your supporters it has to happen for progress; exploit their loyalty. If you want to see what it'll be like in five years time, look at the NFL now.
100% agree Dave….as you say it’s obvious where we are heading, for me it’s exactly why there is next to zero investment put into concourses, toilet facilities etc…they want long term fans to give up going to bring in new wave….nothing to do with Barney Rubbles tedious working class diatribes…it’s about reducing those with expectations & history to attract more who are grateful to be allowed to attend.
I think this stance is very melodramatic.
I'm annoyed by the terrace view as much as anyone. But ultimately I think the club just wants to increase revenue with a larger percentage of corporate seats. The main benefit of the North stand wont be the extra capacity, but how it allows them to shuffle seats and create more corporate space. Those in the 1888 seats are on borrowed time as will those around them soon enough.
But I think the last thing the club wants is for long term supporters to give up going, but they do want to squeeze us where they can.
yes, I'm with you on this. I'm guessing the club want to balance corporate / high-wealth customers with the need to retain the loyalty and vocal-visual support of its traditional fanbase. It's about blending income streams and remaining part of the community
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Whatever they do, just don't do it on the Holte. It's as simple as that for me. One of the reasons cited for the popularity of football in this country is the atmosphere generated by the fans and while the rest of our place can make a right old din at times of high drama, the atmosphere has always started from our own "end". Grounds that have lost this have lost a lot of identity and character, look at Chelsea, Woolwich, Stockport City (I was surprised to see that the home end at their place is the Family Stand, which explains a lot) West Ham etc.
Now you still have the Kop at Liverpool and The Holte, the Trent End at Forest, the Kop at Sheff Utd. All distinct from the rest of the ground and the home of the most vociferous and vocal fans. To be fair to Spurs, they have tried to emulate an end at their new place but I can't tell you what it's called.
Hopefully the Terrace View will be quietly dropped, perhaps the new area can just be a "lounge" now that the work has been carried out, sold on a match by match basis to existing ticket holders at a reasonable rate where friends might purchase for a birthday or stag do or some such, and any links to a seat or away tickets done away with.
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I agree with you Nev. It feels to me like too many people have too much invested to back down on the Terrace View, but it's clearly a disaster. And that's before the complaints start rolling in when the remaining 80% start to realise they've lost half their facilities and the queue for the toilet and bar is now twice as long.
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How is it clearly a disaster? Based on people getting marketing calls?
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a mistake and way over priced for what you get, and that they should have improved the offering across the board.
Not quite sure it is any kind of disaster for them, though.
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According to the blurb It holds roughly 1000 and when I looked there were about 300 places left. “Disaster” is strong but the take up has been… not great?
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How is it clearly a disaster? Based on people getting marketing calls?
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a mistake and way over priced for what you get, and that they should have improved the offering across the board.
Not quite sure it is any kind of disaster for them, though.
Well, as I understand it they have now failed to sell it to season ticket holders, failed to sell it to 30,0000 people on the waiting list and they are now trying to sell it to randoms who have previously bought tickets to any old game.
At the same time they have compromised the season ticket waiting list, alienated fans, closed the upper holte for ticket sales for the Everton game and reduced facilities for the majority which will hit catering sales.
Yes, I'd call that a disaster.
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If it doesn't get at least 80% take up it's a disaster. I don't yet know what the take up is but it appears they are sounding desperate to shift these tickets. Any way of finding out how many have been sold to date?
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700 people paying loads more than they did before won't at all be considered a disaster by them. I imagine they'll all be sold by the time the season kicks off.
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I'll also add... assuming we have some good cup runs it might be the push for some punters to guarantee their cup final ticket. A double queue jump.
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If it doesn't get at least 80% take up it's a disaster. I don't yet know what the take up is but it appears they are sounding desperate to shift these tickets. Any way of finding out how many have been sold to date?
292 seats left as of 10 seconds ago.
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If they really wanted to get rid of them I'm sure they would have sold well to people on the waiting list at the standard season ticket + bolt on price of (total approx £1,255) with people retaining their place on the ST waiting list. The greed of pushing for another £300 + locking people in by taking them off the waiting list is what has blown this.
People paying £1,560 quid will want to be able to pick their seats in the best location in the upper Holte. Not be told it could be a random seat anywhere including the rail seating.
Of course, this option will come with the padded seats in the next few seasons.
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How is it clearly a disaster? Based on people getting marketing calls?
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a mistake and way over priced for what you get, and that they should have improved the offering across the board.
Not quite sure it is any kind of disaster for them, though.
Well, as I understand it they have now failed to sell it to season ticket holders, failed to sell it to 30,0000 people on the waiting list and they are now trying to sell it to randoms who have previously bought tickets to any old game.
At the same time they have compromised the season ticket waiting list, alienated fans, closed the upper holte for ticket sales for the Everton game and reduced facilities for the majority which will hit catering sales.
Yes, I'd call that a disaster.
“As I understand it” does not mean clearly. We have no idea how many people on the list they’ve asked.
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How is it clearly a disaster? Based on people getting marketing calls?
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a mistake and way over priced for what you get, and that they should have improved the offering across the board.
Not quite sure it is any kind of disaster for them, though.
Well, as I understand it they have now failed to sell it to season ticket holders, failed to sell it to 30,0000 people on the waiting list and they are now trying to sell it to randoms who have previously bought tickets to any old game.
At the same time they have compromised the season ticket waiting list, alienated fans, closed the upper holte for ticket sales for the Everton game and reduced facilities for the majority which will hit catering sales.
Yes, I'd call that a disaster.
“As I understand it” does not mean clearly. We have no idea how many people on the list they’ve asked.
Well they've asked everyone as randoms not on the list are now being offered the ticket.
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In the meantime, Man U extend their Adidas deal for 10 years and it's worth £900m. I don't believe the Terrace View is the right way to go about things, but that is the sort of gap they have got to try and close. It will be interesting what the new guy thinks of this idea, or even if they are listening to complaints.
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i think it's pretty grotesque to introduce what is nothing more than a tiering system into The Holte End - the very heartbeat of the fanbase and the club.
The haves and the have nots . You can have a pint quickly , you on the other hand can join a queue on 38 mins of the first half and get your pint just after the 2nd half kicks off . You Sir can have wonderful wifi connectivity - you can have no signal . Etc etc . It stinks . All wrapped up under a veil of we consulted the fans and are giving you what you want.
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If it doesn't get at least 80% take up it's a disaster. I don't yet know what the take up is but it appears they are sounding desperate to shift these tickets. Any way of finding out how many have been sold to date?
292 seats left as of 10 seconds ago.
That's not very good. Can't see them getting anywhere near 80% at this rate. If we have a cracking start to the season it might push a few more.
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How is it clearly a disaster? Based on people getting marketing calls?
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a mistake and way over priced for what you get, and that they should have improved the offering across the board.
Not quite sure it is any kind of disaster for them, though.
Well, as I understand it they have now failed to sell it to season ticket holders, failed to sell it to 30,0000 people on the waiting list and they are now trying to sell it to randoms who have previously bought tickets to any old game.
At the same time they have compromised the season ticket waiting list, alienated fans, closed the upper holte for ticket sales for the Everton game and reduced facilities for the majority which will hit catering sales.
Yes, I'd call that a disaster.
“As I understand it” does not mean clearly. We have no idea how many people on the list they’ve asked.
Well they've asked everyone as randoms not on the list are now being offered the ticket.
My mate who's number 5000 or thereabouts on the list tells me he hasn't been approached at all.
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How is it clearly a disaster? Based on people getting marketing calls?
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a mistake and way over priced for what you get, and that they should have improved the offering across the board.
Not quite sure it is any kind of disaster for them, though.
Well, as I understand it they have now failed to sell it to season ticket holders, failed to sell it to 30,0000 people on the waiting list and they are now trying to sell it to randoms who have previously bought tickets to any old game.
At the same time they have compromised the season ticket waiting list, alienated fans, closed the upper holte for ticket sales for the Everton game and reduced facilities for the majority which will hit catering sales.
Yes, I'd call that a disaster.
“As I understand it” does not mean clearly. We have no idea how many people on the list they’ve asked.
Well they've asked everyone as randoms not on the list are now being offered the ticket.
My mate who's number 5000 or thereabouts on the list tells me he hasn't been approached at all.
He's missed his e-mail then as people 30,000 on the list have been offered it.
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Whatever they do, just don't do it on the Holte. It's as simple as that for me. One of the reasons cited for the popularity of football in this country is the atmosphere generated by the fans and while the rest of our place can make a right old din at times of high drama, the atmosphere has always started from our own "end". Grounds that have lost this have lost a lot of identity and character, look at Chelsea, Woolwich, Stockport City (I was surprised to see that the home end at their place is the Family Stand, which explains a lot) West Ham etc.
Now you still have the Kop at Liverpool and The Holte, the Trent End at Forest, the Kop at Sheff Utd. All distinct from the rest of the ground and the home of the most vociferous and vocal fans. To be fair to Spurs, they have tried to emulate an end at their new place but I can't tell you what it's called.
Hopefully the Terrace View will be quietly dropped, perhaps the new area can just be a "lounge" now that the work has been carried out, sold on a match by match basis to existing ticket holders at a reasonable rate where friends might purchase for a birthday or stag do or some such, and any links to a seat or away tickets done away with.
Seems a sensible Idea,if it's reasonably priced people will attend,I normally don't drink down the match but like going into the Holte suite at half time but with only having 20 minutes to have a drink, it's a problem and although I don't eat I seen people leaving the food because of its quality and complaining, time it right and people will spend money regardless,as I mentioned before Herbert's Yard in Longbridge to me is overpriced but it's always packed out especially weekends., it's a different generation now especially with parents with family,long gone are the days when we don't mind having a beer and that's it
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How is it clearly a disaster? Based on people getting marketing calls?
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a mistake and way over priced for what you get, and that they should have improved the offering across the board.
Not quite sure it is any kind of disaster for them, though.
Well, as I understand it they have now failed to sell it to season ticket holders, failed to sell it to 30,0000 people on the waiting list and they are now trying to sell it to randoms who have previously bought tickets to any old game.
At the same time they have compromised the season ticket waiting list, alienated fans, closed the upper holte for ticket sales for the Everton game and reduced facilities for the majority which will hit catering sales.
Yes, I'd call that a disaster.
“As I understand it” does not mean clearly. We have no idea how many people on the list they’ve asked.
Well they've asked everyone as randoms not on the list are now being offered the ticket.
My mate who's number 5000 or thereabouts on the list tells me he hasn't been approached at all.
Might be because of the ...annual income box in the survey he ticked.
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How is it clearly a disaster? Based on people getting marketing calls?
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a mistake and way over priced for what you get, and that they should have improved the offering across the board.
Not quite sure it is any kind of disaster for them, though.
Well, as I understand it they have now failed to sell it to season ticket holders, failed to sell it to 30,0000 people on the waiting list and they are now trying to sell it to randoms who have previously bought tickets to any old game.
At the same time they have compromised the season ticket waiting list, alienated fans, closed the upper holte for ticket sales for the Everton game and reduced facilities for the majority which will hit catering sales.
Yes, I'd call that a disaster.
“As I understand it” does not mean clearly. We have no idea how many people on the list they’ve asked.
Well they've asked everyone as randoms not on the list are now being offered the ticket.
My mate who's number 5000 or thereabouts on the list tells me he hasn't been approached at all.
Might be because of the ...annual income box in the survey he ticked.
Could be. He's retired with a tidy pension but what he would put as income on such a form I've no idea.
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Wasn't the original premise that it was for existing ST holders to purchase to enhance their matchday experience? Adding the inducements that they have would say that they misread the market.
Either way the genie is now out of the bottle and in the name of progress the Holte will never be the same again.
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There seems to be no rhyme nor reason as to who's even contacted or not. Either way, the ill-feeling and suspicion it's aroused surely outweighs the income generated.
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There seems to be no rhyme nor reason as to who's even contacted or not. Either way, the ill-feeling and suspicion it's aroused surely outweighs the income generated.
Not when it comes to accounting and FFP it doesn't. I take your point, but even if this is the badly thought out disaster that people think, there are still going to be thousands of people on the season ticket waiting list and this won't change that. People are obviously very against this, but if they get a call tomorrow, is that ill feeling going to stop them accepting a season ticket if offered one?
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There seems to be no rhyme nor reason as to who's even contacted or not. Either way, the ill-feeling and suspicion it's aroused surely outweighs the income generated.
Not when it comes to accounting and FFP it doesn't. I take your point, but even if this is the badly thought out disaster that people think, there are still going to be thousands of people on the season ticket waiting list and this won't change that. People are obviously very against this, but if they get a call tomorrow, is that ill feeling going to stop them accepting a season ticket if offered one?
If you mean at queue-jumping rates then a few on here seem to have turned it down on principle. We have a choice - accept the Americanisation of football or walk away. Violence, bad conditions, police brutality and Billy McNeill didn't manage it but forty thousand passive consumers clapping along to Hi Ho Silver Lining looks like it might.
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My mate Andy is circa 3000 on the list and has not had the invite. I'm a current ST holder and had the invite ? seems odd
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There seems to be no rhyme nor reason as to who's even contacted or not. Either way, the ill-feeling and suspicion it's aroused surely outweighs the income generated.
Not when it comes to accounting and FFP it doesn't. I take your point, but even if this is the badly thought out disaster that people think, there are still going to be thousands of people on the season ticket waiting list and this won't change that. People are obviously very against this, but if they get a call tomorrow, is that ill feeling going to stop them accepting a season ticket if offered one?
If you mean at queue-jumping rates then a few on here seem to have turned it down on principle. We have a choice - accept the Americanisation of football or walk away. Violence, bad conditions, police brutality and Billy McNeill didn't manage it but forty thousand passive consumers clapping along to Hi Ho Silver Lining looks like it might.
But that misses the point that thousands will still accept a normal season ticket when offered. And while they still do, they'll carry on as before.
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I was drinking with a ST holder on the morning of the Wolfs game away from home. He'd been called the day before about TV and the person from the Club that is wasn't popular at all. He could easily afford it but turned it down. He attends with some of his family, who were not in the same financial position so saw no point in buying access to somewhere they couldn't.
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How is it clearly a disaster? Based on people getting marketing calls?
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a mistake and way over priced for what you get, and that they should have improved the offering across the board.
Not quite sure it is any kind of disaster for them, though.
Well, as I understand it they have now failed to sell it to season ticket holders, failed to sell it to 30,0000 people on the waiting list and they are now trying to sell it to randoms who have previously bought tickets to any old game.
At the same time they have compromised the season ticket waiting list, alienated fans, closed the upper holte for ticket sales for the Everton game and reduced facilities for the majority which will hit catering sales.
Yes, I'd call that a disaster.
“As I understand it” does not mean clearly. We have no idea how many people on the list they’ve asked.
Well they've asked everyone as randoms not on the list are now being offered the ticket.
My mate who's number 5000 or thereabouts on the list tells me he hasn't been approached at all.
He's missed his e-mail then as people 30,000 on the list have been offered it.
Again, you do not know that.
They'll have access to much more sophisticated marketing tools than just approaching people on the list.
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I was drinking with a ST holder on the morning of the Wolfs game away from home. He'd been called the day before about TV and the person from the Club that is wasn't popular at all. He could easily afford it but turned it down. He attends with some of his family, who were not in the same financial position so saw no point in buying access to somewhere they couldn't.
I think that's a massive point. For many people going down the match is as much a social event as a sporting one and if you're effectively spending two hours on your own you might reconsider.
As Risso alluded to, though, there is still huge demand and I would imagine that many of them are the the kind of supporters the club now want.
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As Risso alluded to, though, there is still huge demand and I would imagine that many of them are the the kind of supporters the club now want.
We've got some of the best owners in the game, but even so we're all just walking wallets to be relieved of our hard earned. And it's different to any other industry in the world, and they almost cannot lose. You could have a trendy new restaurant with a 6 month wait for a table, but if you got in and the food and service were shit, you wouldn't go back. With football, we'll all be there, come what may. And if a few take a moral stand and don't, well in this new world they won't be missed by the powers that be, at all.
Just wait till the winners of the Premier League Summer Series start to get a place in Europe...
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A mate of mine is on the waiting list and he hasn't seen an email either and he said no straight away when I asked him if would have taken it up.
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I'm circa 11,000 on the waiting list and got offered a Villa Terrace seat on the 17th July. Won't be taking it up.
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As Risso alluded to, though, there is still huge demand and I would imagine that many of them are the the kind of supporters the club now want.
Just wait till the winners of the Premier League Summer Series start to get a place in Europe...
Didn't Chelsea win it ?
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How is it clearly a disaster? Based on people getting marketing calls?
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a mistake and way over priced for what you get, and that they should have improved the offering across the board.
Not quite sure it is any kind of disaster for them, though.
Well, as I understand it they have now failed to sell it to season ticket holders, failed to sell it to 30,0000 people on the waiting list and they are now trying to sell it to randoms who have previously bought tickets to any old game.
At the same time they have compromised the season ticket waiting list, alienated fans, closed the upper holte for ticket sales for the Everton game and reduced facilities for the majority which will hit catering sales.
Yes, I'd call that a disaster.
“As I understand it” does not mean clearly. We have no idea how many people on the list they’ve asked.
Well they've asked everyone as randoms not on the list are now being offered the ticket.
My mate who's number 5000 or thereabouts on the list tells me he hasn't been approached at all.
He's missed his e-mail then as people 30,000 on the list have been offered it.
Again, you do not know that.
They'll have access to much more sophisticated marketing tools than just approaching people on the list.
Right, and what sophisticated tool have they used to approach my 17 year old daughter but randomly not someone at 5,000 on the list?
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I (obviously) didn't mean this year.
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I (obviously) didn't mean this year.
you got me excited then, i thought Chelsea had blown that 2 goal lead
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Maybe they have approached people based on postcode ?
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Maybe they've looked at how many games people attend. And waiting list place. And how engaged people are.
I've been tempted. But the cost of travelling etc as well as the time have put me off. The clincher is loss of regular season ticket waiting list position.
The other thing is living where I do, it's just awkward; if I lived in Birmingham then I'd perhaps think somewhat differently.
This is corporate-light.
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291 left now. I'm about 6,000 on the waiting list, received the invite e-mail on 17 Jul.
I've just been in and added a seat to see what the process is.
The same as buying a normal ticket, go to seating area, select an available seat, add to basket, proceed to checkout, pay £1560 by card.
I didn't buy one, mainly because it's a rip off, but also the principle.
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Maybe they have approached people based on postcode ?
I'm not sure why we're doing somersaults to work out some convoluted process. It seems like the majority of people on the waiting list have received an invite. I can't see them deliberately excluding some when the are desperate to sell. Of course it's possible technology is at fault, one side or other.
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As Risso alluded to, though, there is still huge demand and I would imagine that many of them are the the kind of supporters the club now want.
We've got some of the best owners in the game, but even so we're all just walking wallets to be relieved of our hard earned. And it's different to any other industry in the world, and they almost cannot lose. You could have a trendy new restaurant with a 6 month wait for a table, but if you got in and the food and service were shit, you wouldn't go back. With football, we'll all be there, come what may. And if a few take a moral stand and don't, well in this new world they won't be missed by the powers that be, at all.
Just wait till the winners of the Premier League Summer Series start to get a place in Europe...
And to repeat what I've said so often that the words should type themselves - the way in which the Premier League has persuaded customers that it's their duty to hand over every last penny is the greatest marketing job of the 21st century. It's not only your duty to be a customer, you have to be the right kind of customer. Never complain, always tell the company how wonderful they are and if you receive poor service other customers will tell you it's your own fault.
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Apparently, tickets are now being sent out;
https://twitter.com/AVFCSupport/status/1686006308615372801?s=20 (https://twitter.com/AVFCSupport/status/1686006308615372801?s=20)
There's a tracker too.
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How is it clearly a disaster? Based on people getting marketing calls?
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a mistake and way over priced for what you get, and that they should have improved the offering across the board.
Not quite sure it is any kind of disaster for them, though.
Well, as I understand it they have now failed to sell it to season ticket holders, failed to sell it to 30,0000 people on the waiting list and they are now trying to sell it to randoms who have previously bought tickets to any old game.
At the same time they have compromised the season ticket waiting list, alienated fans, closed the upper holte for ticket sales for the Everton game and reduced facilities for the majority which will hit catering sales.
Yes, I'd call that a disaster.
“As I understand it” does not mean clearly. We have no idea how many people on the list they’ve asked.
Well they've asked everyone as randoms not on the list are now being offered the ticket.
My mate who's number 5000 or thereabouts on the list tells me he hasn't been approached at all.
He's missed his e-mail then as people 30,000 on the list have been offered it.
Again, you do not know that.
They'll have access to much more sophisticated marketing tools than just approaching people on the list.
Right, and what sophisticated tool have they used to approach my 17 year old daughter but randomly not someone at 5,000 on the list?
I have no idea, i am just pointing out that we absolutely do not know that they've worked all the way through the 30,000 on the waiting list, and we do not know that it is "clearly a disaster".
If it was that much of a disaster they'd probably yank the scheme - like they did with the badge, despite that being even more high profile.
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Tracker link;
https://astonvilla.packtracker.cedarpackaging.com/ (https://astonvilla.packtracker.cedarpackaging.com/)
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Tracker link;
https://astonvilla.packtracker.cedarpackaging.com/ (https://astonvilla.packtracker.cedarpackaging.com/)
Thanks. It's given me a date of July 29th 10:15:19 AM.
Is that the dispatch date and time?
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Tracker link;
https://astonvilla.packtracker.cedarpackaging.com/ (https://astonvilla.packtracker.cedarpackaging.com/)
Thanks. It's given me a date of July 29th 10:15:19 AM.
Is that the dispatch date and time?
Mine says something like that too, but DATA RECEIVED or something, so I assumed that was when Villa sent over my details to the company and it hasn't been despatched yet.
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Mine's been despatched today by the look of it. That was tremendous fun.
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Track my Pack
DATA RECEIVED Jul 29, 2023, 11:51:49 AM
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How is it clearly a disaster? Based on people getting marketing calls?
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a mistake and way over priced for what you get, and that they should have improved the offering across the board.
Not quite sure it is any kind of disaster for them, though.
Well, as I understand it they have now failed to sell it to season ticket holders, failed to sell it to 30,0000 people on the waiting list and they are now trying to sell it to randoms who have previously bought tickets to any old game.
At the same time they have compromised the season ticket waiting list, alienated fans, closed the upper holte for ticket sales for the Everton game and reduced facilities for the majority which will hit catering sales.
Yes, I'd call that a disaster.
“As I understand it” does not mean clearly. We have no idea how many people on the list they’ve asked.
Well they've asked everyone as randoms not on the list are now being offered the ticket.
My mate who's number 5000 or thereabouts on the list tells me he hasn't been approached at all.
He's missed his e-mail then as people 30,000 on the list have been offered it.
Me and the babby must have missed ours too then.
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This absolutely proves my point. If they can't muster up 1,000 from the 30k on the waiting list what hope have they got
I'm glad the take up is poor , it's a disgrace and an act of evil
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This absolutely proves my point. If they can't muster up 1,000 from the 30k on the waiting list what hope have they got
I'm glad the take up is poor , it's a disgrace and an act of evil
I get that you’re incredulous about this but an act of evil? Really? Come on now!
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This absolutely proves my point. If they can't muster up 1,000 from the 30k on the waiting list what hope have they got
I'm glad the take up is poor , it's a disgrace and an act of evil
Are you sure? I mean I've never heard this from you before so I'm a bit concerned that you're not well?
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This absolutely proves my point. If they can't muster up 1,000 from the 30k on the waiting list what hope have they got
I'm glad the take up is poor , it's a disgrace and an act of evil
Act of evil :-) what a ludicrous statement, it’s tickets for games of football
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I'm glad the take up is poor , it's a disgrace and an act of evil
Flin5tone has jumped the shark.
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Charging those prices and letting people 'jump the queue' if they buy a ridiculous terrace view package is pretty sickening
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Musk is the Space Karen, Flin5tone is the Villa Karen
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11.15. Wherefore take Heed and Warch over yourselves, and one over a|nother; lest being overcharged with Sur|feiting and Drunkenness; the great Day of the Lord overtake you unawares and Page 29unprepared. For ye are not in Darkness, that that Day shall overtake you as a Thief.
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This absolutely proves my point. If they can't muster up 1,000 from the 30k on the waiting list what hope have they got
I'm glad the take up is poor , it's a disgrace and an act of evil
Nah. Taking your kid to his first game…..to the Sty. Now that’s an act of evil.
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Nobody is being forced to go .
But some are being forced out.
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Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a new bar, with a terrace that reaches to the heavens, or at least the middle of The Holte, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole of Villa Park.”
But the Lord Heck came down to see the stadium and the terrace the people were building. The Lord Heck said, “If as one people queuing on the same waiting list they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. Come, let us go down and confuse their waiting list so they will not usurp each other for away tickets.”
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11.15. Wherefore take Heed and Warch over yourselves, and one over a|nother; lest being overcharged with Sur|feiting and Drunkenness; the great Day of the Lord overtake you unawares and Page 29unprepared. For ye are not in Darkness, that that Day shall overtake you as a Thief.
Fucking hell.
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11.15. Wherefore take Heed and Warch over yourselves, and one over a|nother; lest being overcharged with Sur|feiting and Drunkenness; the great Day of the Lord overtake you unawares and Page 29unprepared. For ye are not in Darkness, that that Day shall overtake you as a Thief.
You'll do for me son , Bronx hat is in the post.
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11.15. Wherefore take Heed and Warch over yourselves, and one over a|nother; lest being overcharged with Sur|feiting and Drunkenness; the great Day of the Lord overtake you unawares and Page 29unprepared. For ye are not in Darkness, that that Day shall overtake you as a Thief.
You'll do for me son , Bronx hat is in the post.
Ha ha ha, excellent!
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Jesus wept.
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Jesus wept.
Which verse and book is that?
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How is it clearly a disaster? Based on people getting marketing calls?
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a mistake and way over priced for what you get, and that they should have improved the offering across the board.
Not quite sure it is any kind of disaster for them, though.
Well, as I understand it they have now failed to sell it to season ticket holders, failed to sell it to 30,0000 people on the waiting list and they are now trying to sell it to randoms who have previously bought tickets to any old game.
At the same time they have compromised the season ticket waiting list, alienated fans, closed the upper holte for ticket sales for the Everton game and reduced facilities for the majority which will hit catering sales.
Yes, I'd call that a disaster.
“As I understand it” does not mean clearly. We have no idea how many people on the list they’ve asked.
Well they've asked everyone as randoms not on the list are now being offered the ticket.
My mate who's number 5000 or thereabouts on the list tells me he hasn't been approached at all.
He's missed his e-mail then as people 30,000 on the list have been offered it.
Again, you do not know that.
They'll have access to much more sophisticated marketing tools than just approaching people on the list.
That’ll be why my 9 year old nephew got an invitation sent straight to the email address which I only set up for his Villa cubs membership. I haven’t heard anything &my ST is in The Lower Holte so I don’t know who they think is going to take him for his free pints!.
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Someone has really cocked up on that terrace view. There's been an agreement at commercial level, that a 1,000 out of 30,000 people would fork out, regardless of how much they fleeced them for. They got it badly wrong.
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Someone has really cocked up on that terrace view. There's been an agreement at commercial level, that a 1,000 out of 30,000 people would fork out, regardless of how much they fleeced them for. They got it badly wrong.
looks like they got 70% uptake so far so they (the suits) may see it as a good start ?
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Have they had that uptake, though? I know in the FAQs it says that they're looking at getting a thousand, but I've no idea if they've gone for that figure in one initial push. Have they actually sold 700?
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Does anyone actually know how many they've sold?
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Jesus wept.
Which verse and book is that?
John 11:35; the shortest verse in the bible.
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Does anyone actually know how many they've sold?
it was mentioned in here earlier , if you go to book one of the seats you can see how many are left out of the 1,000 and its about 300
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From the London Lions chat it appears that a good number of us received the invite too. But the cost and the added disincentive of losing your place in the queue means that I don’t know a single person who has taken it up.
I haven’t had a season ticket since I moved away in the 80s. I reckon that international travel for work means I miss 2-3 home games a season and midweek games take away another 2-3 ( at least). Add in a rogue wedding or other ding dong and I rarely get beyond 12 home games. A Terrace View ticket would work out at £120 per game before I even look at train fares.
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Manchester United have agreed a 10-year extension to their partnership with Adidas worth a minimum of £900m.
United's new deal with the German kit manufacturer runs until June 2035, with their previous 10-year deal having been worth £750m.
It is thought to be the largest kit deal in Premier League history, based on revenue per season.
Chelsea signed a £900m deal with Nike in 2016 but that covered a 15-year period from 2017.
"The relationship between Manchester United and Adidas is one of the most iconic in world sport," said United's chief executive Richard Arnold.
"With its roots in the 1980s, our partnership has been reinvented over the past decade with some of the most innovative designs and technology in sportswear."
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The two parties' latest partnership began at the start of the 2015-16 season, with Adidas having previously supplied United's kit from 1980-1992.
American owners, the Glazer family, are still in talks over selling United, who said that the new deal has "a minimum cash guarantee of £900m, subject to certain adjustments".
According to United's latest annual report, the original agreement with Adidas links a part of the yearly payments to the club's participation in the Champions League.
Failure to play in the Champions League for two consecutive seasons would reduce annual payments by 30%.
The three-time winners will return to Europe's premier club competition this season having failed to qualify for 2022-23.
Despite not playing in the Champions League last season, United said last month that the club is heading for record revenues..
Stronger matchday and commercial revenue saw United revise their annual forecast from between £590m and £610m to between £630m and £640m, which would eclipse their previous best of £627.1m in 2019.
The Glazer family indicated they were ready to sell the club last November but a takeover has yet to be completed, amid rumours some of the family are keen to retain an interest.
United still have large debts - in excess of £950m in total - including outstanding transfer fee payments of more than £160m.
The club added that the new kit deal will increase the focus on United's women's team since its reintroduction in 2018.
Adidas chief executive Bjorn Gulden said: "Adidas and Manchester United are two of the most important brands in international football and it is very natural for us to continue our co-operation."
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That’ll be why my 9 year old nephew got an invitation sent straight to the email address which I only set up for his Villa cubs membership. I haven’t heard anything &my ST is in The Lower Holte so I don’t know who they think is going to take him for his free pints!.
Auntie Jane.
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Not seen this previously, from the OS Terrace View page.
What a load of duplicitous bullshit. As if anyone genuinely suggested this was how to solve the food and drink problem.
Having surveyed current Holte End season ticket holders for their thoughts on how we can further develop our iconic stand, we've launched The Terrace View – an investment in our fan and stadium experience - to meet the requirements most important to you based on supporters’ feedback
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Not seen this previously, from the OS Terrace View page.
What a load of duplicitous bullshit. As if anyone genuinely suggested this was how to solve the food and drink problem.
Having surveyed current Holte End season ticket holders for their thoughts on how we can further develop our iconic stand, we've launched The Terrace View – an investment in our fan and stadium experience - to meet the requirements most important to you based on supporters’ feedback
That's what I tried to get across the other day (obviously badly) they've spun it to make it look like the fans asked for £1600 seats in the Holte. Arguably more annoying than the concept itself.
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11.15. Wherefore take Heed and Warch over yourselves, and one over a|nother; lest being overcharged with Sur|feiting and Drunkenness; the great Day of the Lord overtake you unawares and Page 29unprepared. For ye are not in Darkness, that that Day shall overtake you as a Thief.
You'll do for me son , Bronx hat is in the post.
Ha ha ha, excellent!
Don't geddit, can you explain please as I have a feeling it's very funny.
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11.15. Wherefore take Heed and Warch over yourselves, and one over a|nother; lest being overcharged with Sur|feiting and Drunkenness; the great Day of the Lord overtake you unawares and Page 29unprepared. For ye are not in Darkness, that that Day shall overtake you as a Thief.
You'll do for me son , Bronx hat is in the post.
Ha ha ha, excellent!
Don't geddit, can you explain please as I have a feeling it's very funny.
It was a BRMB Friday/Saturday Night phone in thing from yesteryear, 30+ years ago I’d say. Tom Ross was the host dishing them out and they were given out if a good point or discussion had been made. It always ascended into idiocy with people saying something banal and then demanding said Bronx hat. The idea must have been to raise the level of debate from “Alright Tom, Blues fan here, Villa are rubbish, how d’ya think the Blues will get on tomorrow? Can I have a Bronx hat?”
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Ah, OK, cheers!
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I’ve always wanted to ask this but what the actual fuck is a Bronx Hat?
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A forerunner of today's beanie. Or basically the same thing.
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Think Benny from Crossroads hat in club colours
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They were cheap beanie hats that Tom Ross got a job lot of in Villa/small heath/baggies colours with an XtraAM or Capital Gold logo on it.
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Thanks everyone. I was envisaging some sort of Cowboy Hat.
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I think the only Cowboy hat seen in the Bronx was on Jon Voight's head in Midnight Cowboy
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Anyone else have a mid eighties chicken hat?
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I remember this from my days as a nipper, so it definitely wasn't just 30 years ago, a lot more recent than that.
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They were cheap beanie hats that Tom Ross got a job lot of in Villa/small heath/baggies colours with an XtraAM or Capital Gold logo on it.
BRMB surely?
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Im pretty sure there was more than one version, but yep to the BRMB version too.
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For the first time in forever, I've just managed to snag one of the last remaining away tickets for Newcastle next week... and then realised it's the fecking late kickoff and my brother is getting married in Bristol the following day. FFS!
With that kickoff time, I'm guessing there are no trains back to Birmingham (post-final whistle) that evening either?
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For the first time in forever, I've just managed to snag one of the last remaining away tickets for Newcastle next week... and then realised it's the fecking late kickoff and my brother is getting married in Bristol the following day. FFS!
With that kickoff time, I'm guessing there are no trains back to Birmingham (post-final whistle) that evening either?
1943 is the last train back to New Street. Game should finish 1920-25 ish. Could make it, if you get your skates on (subject to the new ruling re. added time).
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For the first time in forever, I've just managed to snag one of the last remaining away tickets for Newcastle next week... and then realised it's the fecking late kickoff and my brother is getting married in Bristol the following day. FFS!
With that kickoff time, I'm guessing there are no trains back to Birmingham (post-final whistle) that evening either?
1943 is the last train back to New Street. Game should finish 1920-25 ish. Could make it, if you get your skates on (subject to the new ruling re. added time).
Simple, when we go 3-0 up in the 79th minute, head for the station.
Out of interest how did you manage to bag a ticket ? I'd have assumed they'd be snapped up immediately or handed over to Terrace View members ?
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For the first time in forever, I've just managed to snag one of the last remaining away tickets for Newcastle next week... and then realised it's the fecking late kickoff and my brother is getting married in Bristol the following day. FFS!
With that kickoff time, I'm guessing there are no trains back to Birmingham (post-final whistle) that evening either?
1943 is the last train back to New Street. Game should finish 1920-25 ish. Could make it, if you get your skates on (subject to the new ruling re. added time).
Simple, when we go 3-0 up in the 79th minute, head for the station.
Out of interest how did you manage to bag a ticket ? I'd have assumed they'd be snapped up immediately or handed over to Terrace View members ?
There were a few remaining tickets that made it to general sale to season ticket holders at 5pm tonight. They got snapped up within about 3 seconds, but kept refreshing for a few minutes to snag one that didn’t go through the sale process. First time I’ve ever managed it tbh! Normally can only get one off mates that can’t make it or something.
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For the first time in forever, I've just managed to snag one of the last remaining away tickets for Newcastle next week... and then realised it's the fecking late kickoff and my brother is getting married in Bristol the following day. FFS!
With that kickoff time, I'm guessing there are no trains back to Birmingham (post-final whistle) that evening either?
1943 is the last train back to New Street. Game should finish 1920-25 ish. Could make it, if you get your skates on (subject to the new ruling re. added time).
Simple, when we go 3-0 up in the 79th minute, head for the station.
Out of interest how did you manage to bag a ticket ? I'd have assumed they'd be snapped up immediately or handed over to Terrace View members ?
There were a few remaining tickets that made it to general sale to season ticket holders at 5pm tonight. They got snapped up within about 3 seconds, but kept refreshing for a few minutes to snag one that didn’t go through the sale process. First time I’ve ever managed it tbh! Normally can only get one off mates that can’t make it or something.
Fair play, i guess a lot of people will be on holiday so a rare bonus i expect . Enjoy !
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They have given numbers of people who meet each stage if the criteria and it will be the same for Burnley away which goes on sale next week. It’s basically a 5pm online lottery for the last few tickets. Worth a try.
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Extremely interesting that away games are now making effectively general sale.
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Which away game has made general sale? Newcastle reached season ticket holders and sold out before the minute they went on sale was up, foiling my plans to get my son a ticket. This was unlike last year when it reached season ticket holders but survived long enough past the hour for me to leisurely choose his seat and purchase it.
Time to have another Monster, count the paint chippings and quote some Leviathan.
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It is good news that season ticket holders may get the chance to get an away ticket
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Extremely interesting that away games are now making effectively general sale.
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Highly interesting that you try to find a negative spin on something.
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Nothing negative about it, just shows that there may be some 'drop off' from those who went away last season.
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Nothing negative about it, just shows that there may be some 'drop off' from those who went away last season.
Last season I got tickets to Newcastle away as a season ticket only (no away history). Yesterday not a chance. Gone in 20 seconds
I got tickets to Brighton as well. Again I doubt I will get those when they come to no history season tickets
So, no there’s no drop off
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It's like having Nigel Farage on here sometimes.
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Nothing negative about it, just shows that there may be some 'drop off' from those who went away last season.
In what way? That it was harder to get Newcastle away tickets as season ticket holders this year than it was last would suggest demand has increased, particularly as this game is televised.
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Are all the away tickets at Newcastle in the safe standing area?
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Can you imagine what he would be like if he supported a team with a ground falling down that has spent almost a decade just avoiding relegation with absentee owners chronic financial problems and a dwindling fan base oh wait…….
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I got 4 tickets last year, none this.
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Like Sid said, even if they do go to General Sale from time to time, that gives an opportunity to those who wouldn't normally be able to get one. Karen Flintstone has managed to turn a negative into a positive.
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For the first time in forever, I've just managed to snag one of the last remaining away tickets for Newcastle next week... and then realised it's the fecking late kickoff and my brother is getting married in Bristol the following day. FFS!
With that kickoff time, I'm guessing there are no trains back to Birmingham (post-final whistle) that evening either?
If I were you I'd get booked on a supporters coach. You will be home late but at least you will get to Bristol easily enough on the Sunday.
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easyjet fly from Newcastle to Bristol
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Season ticket has arrived - seems as though it is just for 1 season as it says 2023 - 2024 on the front of it
I wonder if for the following season we are going to be given a choice of using a season card or an app on your phone to gain entry to the ground
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Season ticket has arrived - seems as though it is just for 1 season as it says 2023 - 2024 on the front of it
I wonder if for the following season we are going to be given a choice of using a season card or an app on your phone to gain entry to the ground
I’m thinking they may introduce something more sophisticated that confirms who you are to stop people passing their season ticket on to others.
Separately, I joined the home cup scheme this year, thinking it would be more convenient given there would likely be a few European games at least. However, I don’t think they’re going to be £10-£20 having seen the match day prices recently so am having second thoughts. Does anyone know if you can opt out online or is it a call to the ticket office? I couldn’t find the option - thanks.
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No idea about opting out . Probably be penalised for opting out in a few years like ManUre used to do by banning fans who opted out for the next league game
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Membership pack arrived with my water bottle! Just in time for the wettest summer day in years, so back in the cupboard looking for my coffee cup!
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Membership pack arrived with my water bottle! Just in time for the wettest summer day in years, so back in the cupboard looking for my coffee cup!
is that with a season ticket ?
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Out of interest , has anybody made ANY use of last season's pack? I won't ever throw anything Villa away , even if it's stupid ,to the annoyance of Wilma. I found the oversized badge unwearable and poor design, the keyring again far too big , the best item was the high quality pen which has been used . I'd still prefer my season ticket £5 less though rather than more clutter
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I've got about 8 of the Villa metal water bottles. The kids use them at school with their packed lunches.
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It's like having Nigel Farage on here sometimes.
Please don't compare me to Nigel, I'm all for freedom of opinion and speech and the way the banks treated him recently was a disgrace BUT I'm totally opposed to most of his views, Brexit and I'm staunch Labour.
Keep the red flag flying high!
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Membership pack arrived with my water bottle! Just in time for the wettest summer day in years, so back in the cupboard looking for my coffee cup!
is that with a season ticket ?
It’s with the Claret membership. I have a season ticket and some weird top up memebwrshio that I don’t remember subscribing to & I got a Villa cubs pack - drawstring bag, stickers, Villa Rubin cube key ring. My husband is a claret member and he got the water bottle - which I have to say I really like!
In answer to Fred - I also only used the pen but when your ST is upwards of £600 then a £5 is neither here nor there and I’m always unreasonably happy with some random Villa tat!
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Something useful like a pin badge you'd actually wear without 'part of the pride ' 'fight like lions' emblazoned all over it would be nice .
A free pint on the first home game , would be a nice touch but they probably know the catering couldn't cope .
I wonder if the Terrace View subscribers will get 'I'm with stupid ' T- Shirts
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I remember the halcyon days of that weird military music DVD thing.
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I feel that with the huge increases to our season tickets, my only protest is not signing up for the cup scheme. After all, all the conference league matches will be on tv and, not willing to pay for mix and match teams we will put out for the domestic cups.
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It'll be very interesting how they club price conference games , with them all on TV the uptake for the early stages could be poor unless they get the price right.
If I remember rightly in the Lerner era the club done 'packages' for the group games. I think that would be a good idea. 3 Home games for £50 would be acceptable
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I remember the halcyon days of that weird military music DVD thing.
To a 0-0 with Wigan.
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I see the ST cards and letters are arriving. Letterhead - old crest Lion facing West. ST card new crest Lion facing East .
Magnificent
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I see the ST cards and letters are arriving. Letterhead - old crest Lion facing West. ST card new crest Lion facing East .
Magnificent
What if you turn 180 degrees round and open it again?
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When I click on the tracking link which takes me to royal mail it says 'oops'
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I've heard of that from others. I strongly suspect that your season ticket (the one you said you not renewed the other year) has been cancelled and given to somebody more middle class.
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Could be worse.
https://twitter.com/TheSpursExpress/status/1686744024156196864
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Relegate them now.
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Could be worse.
https://twitter.com/TheSpursExpress/status/1686744024156196864
Just when you thought Spurs as an entity couldn’t be any more hollow, shallow and annoying.
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Is the drum to make them sing that marching in rubbish a bit quicker?
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I see the ST cards and letters are arriving. Letterhead - old crest Lion facing West. ST card new crest Lion facing East .
Magnificent
Mine have just landed on the mat. I hoping that they are prioritising the well off folks and not just sending em out on alphabetical order.
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I see the ST cards and letters are arriving. Letterhead - old crest Lion facing West. ST card new crest Lion facing East .
Magnificent
Mine have just landed on the mat. I hoping that they are prioritising the well off folks and not just sending em out on alphabetical order.
They're made out of recycled Holte Enders who didn't own a 2nd home apparently. Tally ho!
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I see the ST cards and letters are arriving. Letterhead - old crest Lion facing West. ST card new crest Lion facing East .
Magnificent
Mine have just landed on the mat. I hoping that they are prioritising the well off folks and not just sending em out on alphabetical order.
yeah , landed gentry from the likes of Lichfield etc first followed by us lot in the slums
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I got mine today. No complimentary goodies this year though?
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I got mine today. No complimentary goodies this year though?
In the letter it says Due to an unforeseen issue in the supply chain, unfortunately your welcome pack is slightly delayed and will be sent out to you in August. All parties are working as fast as they can and we appreciate your patience.
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My estate manager tells me mine has been delivered to the East Lodge. I shall get a member of the indoor staff to collect it and then give him a damned good thrashing to keep him on his toes before I evict his aged mother from her tied cottage(although that is usually a lot more fun in the middle of winter).
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I got mine today. No complimentary goodies this year though?
hang on , not even the car sticker ?
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I got mine today. No complimentary goodies this year though?
hang on , not even the car sticker ?
No, the working class did not know what they were for so they stopped them.
A DISGRACE!
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I got mine today. No complimentary goodies this year though?
hang on , not even the car sticker ?
No, the working class did not know what they were for so they stopped them.
A DISGRACE!
No way I having a Villa sticker on the window of my Rolls Royce, people here in Stratford upon Avon don't take kindly to that sort of thing old chap
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I got mine today. No complimentary goodies this year though?
hang on , not even the car sticker ?
No, the working class did not know what they were for so they stopped them.
A DISGRACE!
No way I having a Villa sticker on the window of my Rolls Royce, people here in Stratford upon Avon don't take kindly to that sort of thing old chap
You only have one sir ??
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Last year's car sticker was massive. Far too big. Didn't affix.
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I see the letter with the season card mentions a welcome pack coming later in Aug.
I personally couldn't care less for a bunch of tat, but I know it's important to some people.
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One of the kids got villa sunglasses the one year. They were pretty cool til the dog got hold of them
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One of the kids got villa sunglasses the one year. They were pretty cool til the dog got hold of them
How awful, condolences, I am sure you'll miss the little critters. RIP.
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One of the kids got villa sunglasses the one year. They were pretty cool til the dog got hold of them
Does he look good in sunglasses?
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One of the kids got villa sunglasses the one year. They were pretty cool til the dog got hold of them
The kids or the glasses?
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HaHa the dog chewed them to bits (the sunglasses) ;D
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Arrived
Letter no 'pack' what a joke.
Multiple badges, and can't even get a pack right. Complete mess. Who's runs this crap?
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Arrived
Letter no 'pack' what a joke.
Multiple badges, and can't even get a pack right. Complete mess. Who's runs this crap?
Turned up again.
Post. Nothing new. What a joke.
Multiple moans, trying to get a rise, right? Complete waste of time. Who needs this crap.
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By the way, my ST turned up today. One piece of paper and a flimsy bit of plastic.
I'm excited and happy. Really, really excited and happy. I will sit in the Holte with my eldest son and watch the Villa for another season. UTV. ;D
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Arrived
Letter no 'pack' what a joke.
Multiple badges, and can't even get a pack right. Complete mess. Who's runs this crap?
You knew this. Several people had already mentioned it. You'll get your box of tat later in the month.
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Arrived
Letter no 'pack' what a joke.
Multiple badges, and can't even get a pack right. Complete mess. Who's runs this crap?
Your English teacher perhaps?
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Arrived
Letter no 'pack' what a joke.
Multiple badges, and can't even get a pack right. Complete mess. Who's runs this crap?
Purslow would have overseen this one. Heck next season.
Fasten your seat belts
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Arrived
Letter no 'pack' what a joke.
Multiple badges, and can't even get a pack right. Complete mess. Who's runs this crap?
Your English teacher perhaps?
And he said he wasn't bothered about a pack but he's moaning about it anyway. Even more reason to ignore.
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I've never been in the 1874 lounge. What is it like, where is it accessed from and how much is it? Is it open at half time too?
I was just wondering how it compares to the Terrace View and given the limited take up if that is more what the TV will become in the future. Or will it go the other way and will they upscale the 1874 and chuck some padded seats into the Witton?
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Arrived
Letter no 'pack' what a joke.
Multiple badges, and can't even get a pack right. Complete mess. Who's runs this crap?
Your English teacher perhaps?
And he said he wasn't bothered about a pack but he's moaning about it anyway. Even more reason to ignore.
More disappointed that it was not delivered by Uri Emery personally ,I shall be having words (raging face)
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I've never been in the 1874 lounge. What is it like, where is it accessed from and how much is it? Is it open at half time too?
I was just wondering how it compares to the Terrace View and given the limited take up if that is more what the TV will become in the future. Or will it go the other way and will they upscale the 1874 and chuck some padded seats into the Witton?
is that the old Lions Club in the Witton ? i used to go in there pre KO and at HT . was decent for a pie and a pint
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I said I'd prefer a £5 discount on my season ticket other than the pack. If they are going to bother with packs at least have them ready to post out with the tickets. Bad for environment
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Wouldn’t have thought you’d find anything to complain about.
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Arrived
Letter no 'pack' what a joke.
Multiple badges, and can't even get a pack right. Complete mess. Who's runs this crap?
Are you like this in real life? Or just the internet?
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I've never been in the 1874 lounge. What is it like, where is it accessed from and how much is it? Is it open at half time too?
I was just wondering how it compares to the Terrace View and given the limited take up if that is more what the TV will become in the future. Or will it go the other way and will they upscale the 1874 and chuck some padded seats into the Witton?
is that the old Lions Club in the Witton ? i used to go in there pre KO and at HT . was decent for a pie and a pint
Probably.
I would have thought a better use for any spare space at all in the witton would have been to provide some additional toilets and maybe another catering outlet to try and get it a bit closer to minimum standard than the current corridor shitshow. I appreciate that doesn't really increase revenue though.
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Arrived
Letter no 'pack' what a joke.
Multiple badges, and can't even get a pack right. Complete mess. Who's runs this crap?
All my ST's arrived hand delivered by a club ticket office staff member. They were all in a bounded box decorated in claret and blue tinsel like material. A huge big boxes of Belgian chocolates and a bunch of red roses that I would swear were almost claret tied by a blue ribbon were also handed to me at the doorstep. What a wonderful club we support.
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Arrived
Letter no 'pack' what a joke.
Multiple badges, and can't even get a pack right. Complete mess. Who's runs this crap?
I'm intrigued to know your age Fred.... I imagine you as some kind of Brummie Victor Meldrew, the kind of bloke who puts a knife through footballs kicked over the fence by the neighbours' kids.
You really need to take a deep breath sometimes before you go near that keyboard, geezus! 🙄
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*in other news, still not had my season ticket delivered. Cannot wait - We are in for 19 days of Villa Park euphoria!
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I've never been in the 1874 lounge. What is it like, where is it accessed from and how much is it? Is it open at half time too?
I was just wondering how it compares to the Terrace View and given the limited take up if that is more what the TV will become in the future. Or will it go the other way and will they upscale the 1874 and chuck some padded seats into the Witton?
is that the old Lions Club in the Witton ? i used to go in there pre KO and at HT . was decent for a pie and a pint
Probably.
I would have thought a better use for any spare space at all in the witton would have been to provide some additional toilets and maybe another catering outlet to try and get it a bit closer to minimum standard than the current corridor shitshow. I appreciate that doesn't really increase revenue though.
Its kind of located in a weird place though halfway up between the lower and upper tier. So from the upper tier you go down 2 flights of stairs to get to the door. I can see them making it a corporate lounge soon and seats upgraded in the central blocks to go with it.
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I've never been in the 1874 lounge. What is it like, where is it accessed from and how much is it? Is it open at half time too?
I was just wondering how it compares to the Terrace View and given the limited take up if that is more what the TV will become in the future. Or will it go the other way and will they upscale the 1874 and chuck some padded seats into the Witton?
is that the old Lions Club in the Witton ? i used to go in there pre KO and at HT . was decent for a pie and a pint
Probably.
I would have thought a better use for any spare space at all in the witton would have been to provide some additional toilets and maybe another catering outlet to try and get it a bit closer to minimum standard than the current corridor shitshow. I appreciate that doesn't really increase revenue though.
Its kind of located in a weird place though halfway up between the lower and upper tier. So from the upper tier you go down 2 flights of stairs to get to the door. I can see them making it a corporate lounge soon and seats upgraded in the central blocks to go with it.
Yes looking at it the new price is £15 a game (no free pints) so broadly the same as the terrace view at £25.00 if you account for the beer. £15 quid for the chance to actually be able to buy a drink and go to the toilet when you've already paid nearly £800 for a season ticket or £50-£60 for a match ticket. Modern football eh?
I tend to switch to the Witton Upper if I'm taking a friend / family as I can never get anything in the Holte. But no chance of getting a drink or getting into the loo at half time. The concourse is beyond a joke. I'd love to get Hecks in there at half time during a game and ask him what he thinks of it.
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I've never been in the 1874 lounge. What is it like, where is it accessed from and how much is it? Is it open at half time too?
I was just wondering how it compares to the Terrace View and given the limited take up if that is more what the TV will become in the future. Or will it go the other way and will they upscale the 1874 and chuck some padded seats into the Witton?
is that the old Lions Club in the Witton ? i used to go in there pre KO and at HT . was decent for a pie and a pint
Probably.
I would have thought a better use for any spare space at all in the witton would have been to provide some additional toilets and maybe another catering outlet to try and get it a bit closer to minimum standard than the current corridor shitshow. I appreciate that doesn't really increase revenue though.
Its kind of located in a weird place though halfway up between the lower and upper tier. So from the upper tier you go down 2 flights of stairs to get to the door. I can see them making it a corporate lounge soon and seats upgraded in the central blocks to go with it.
Yes looking at it the new price is £15 a game (no free pints) so broadly the same as the terrace view at £25.00 if you account for the beer. £15 quid for the chance to actually be able to buy a drink and go to the toilet when you've already paid nearly £800 for a season ticket or £50-£60 for a match ticket. Modern football eh?
I tend to switch to the Witton Upper if I'm taking a friend / family as I can never get anything in the Holte. But no chance of getting a drink or getting into the loo at half time. The concourse is beyond a joke. I'd love to get Hecks in there at half time during a game and ask him what he thinks of it.
It's like when the ticket woman said at an SCG meeting that she'd been in the North Stand and the view was as good as the Holte.
"For a game?"
"Er, no. I'll have to go in there one day."
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Arrived
Letter no 'pack' what a joke.
Multiple badges, and can't even get a pack right. Complete mess. Who's runs this crap?
I'm intrigued to know your age Fred.... I imagine you as some kind of Brummie Victor Meldrew, the kind of bloke who puts a knife through footballs kicked over the fence by the neighbours' kids.
You really need to take a deep breath sometimes before you go near that keyboard, geezus! 🙄
I'm 47 next month
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I sit Witton Upper , i've given up with the concourse. I went down last season early on game on about the 40 min mark to get a drink and a pie . The 2nd half had kicked off by the time i got served.
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I sit Witton Upper , i've given up with the concourse. I went down last season early on game on about the 40 min mark to get a drink and a pie . The 2nd half had kicked off by the time i got served.
The thing is , nobody needs to eat or drink in the space of 90 minutes but we aren't living (or certainly paying )in the 1970s) A nice pie and pint / coffee is part of the day out for many and with what we charge for entry now you should be getting a solid service. Everything should be up to date and modern. You should not need to pay for this , it should be as standard
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Arrived
Letter no 'pack' what a joke.
Multiple badges, and can't even get a pack right. Complete mess. Who's runs this crap?
I'm intrigued to know your age Fred.... I imagine you as some kind of Brummie Victor Meldrew, the kind of bloke who puts a knife through footballs kicked over the fence by the neighbours' kids.
You really need to take a deep breath sometimes before you go near that keyboard, geezus! 🙄
I'm 47 next month
That’s a disgrace. If your parents had sex 10 years later you’d still be in your thirties.
This world has gone to the hell in a handcart.
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Arrived
Letter no 'pack' what a joke.
Multiple badges, and can't even get a pack right. Complete mess. Who's runs this crap?
I'm intrigued to know your age Fred.... I imagine you as some kind of Brummie Victor Meldrew, the kind of bloke who puts a knife through footballs kicked over the fence by the neighbours' kids.
You really need to take a deep breath sometimes before you go near that keyboard, geezus! 🙄
I'm 47 next month
That’s a disgrace. If your parents had sex 10 years later you’d still be in your thirties.
This world has gone to the hell in a handcart.
It probably took my father 10 years , my mother is from Finland , they are hard work
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Just had the Duke of Cambridge drop round my season ticket; has everyone else received an embroidered half/half Villa/Windsor scarf?
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Les Ross has just dropped mine off.
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I sit Witton Upper , i've given up with the concourse. I went down last season early on game on about the 40 min mark to get a drink and a pie . The 2nd half had kicked off by the time i got served.
The thing is , nobody needs to eat or drink in the space of 90 minutes but we aren't living (or certainly paying )in the 1970s) A nice pie and pint / coffee is part of the day out for many and with what we charge for entry now you should be getting a solid service. Everything should be up to date and modern. You should not need to pay for this , it should be as standard
Its better in the Holte since some of the innovations
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I've had mine delivered on the Gold State Coach, flanked by Yeomen of the Guard. It was handed over on a silver tray by a postillion, and I don't even have a season ticket.
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I've had mine delivered on the Gold State Coach, flanked by Yeomen of the Guard. It was handed over on a silver tray by a postillion, and I don't even have a season ticket.
How many fanzines did you manage to sell?
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I've no idea who dropped mine off, the (very replaceable) butler didn't make a note of them.
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Bob Warman, Gary Newbon and Spit the Dog are dropping mine round tomorrow
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Bob Warman, Gary Newbon and Spit the Dog are dropping mine round tomorrow
Warman won’t be there.
He’ll be out at his static round Oswestry way.
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Bob Warman, Gary Newbon and Spit the Dog are dropping mine round tomorrow
Warman won’t be there.
He’ll be out at his static round Oswestry way.
He described our local curry house as "the raj of rajas" he's quoted on the menu . Alongside a picture of Andy Gray who went there too (the Scottish one)
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My junior butler informed his boss, my senior butler, that mine had arrived while I holiday in my Mediterranean retreat.
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“Alright Tone” Butler posted mine before he got down on his prayer mat for the last time. (No stamp on it the cheapskate).
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*in other news, still not had my season ticket delivered. Cannot wait - We are in for 19 days of Villa Park euphoria!
Watch out for two peregrine falcons circling your house tomorrow. They will make 3 passes before landing in your back garden. One will be carrying your season ticket and the other a handwritten message from Unai personally thanking you for your support. One bird will have the shirt badge and the other club badge. It’s so lucky that we have two badges.
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Gordon Cowans delivered my season ticket. Well he looked up and launched it from 40 yards and it landed at my feet.
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My whippet collected it from the homing pigeon.
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Adult ticket for Mansfield fans going to Crewe is £27. In division 4.
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I was carried on a sedan chair by Wes, Nassef, Unai and Monchi from Chelmsley Wood to Windsor Castle where my season ticket was handed to me on a silver platter by Prince William, who offered me Kate for the night if I paid extra for the Terrace View. I declined but ruminated with regret that Meghan is on the outs.
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My membership card, and GPS-challenged lion embossed water bottle was to arrive by Foreign Office Special Diplomatic Courier but the motorbike carrying the package was seized and burnt on the A9 autoroute by Catalan farmers protesting about fruit imports from Morocco and Andalusia.
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I've never been in the 1874 lounge. What is it like, where is it accessed from and how much is it? Is it open at half time too?
I was just wondering how it compares to the Terrace View and given the limited take up if that is more what the TV will become in the future. Or will it go the other way and will they upscale the 1874 and chuck some padded seats into the Witton?
I've been in there a few times. Mick Dale used to host in there, do a quiz written by Rob Bishop and you'd get an ex player or two come in. It was alright actually. You'd get a pint quick enough and a pie. It's the sort of thing they should keep on and make it a reasonable price. Last I heard it was £50 for the season so it's a shame if its gone up. I got in via a draw using my reward points.
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Had mine delivered yesterday by a fellow H&V poster.
He wasn't happy at all. Something about it all being a disgrace.
I just shrugged my shoulders, said thanks and went back to my gardening project.
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Had mine delivered yesterday by a fellow H&V poster.
He wasn't happy at all. Something about it all being a disgrace.
I just shrugged my shoulders, said thanks and went back to my gardening project.
Has anyone had the season ticket delivered by Pat and his black and white cat yet?,now that what I call special treatment
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Had mine delivered yesterday by a fellow H&V poster.
He wasn't happy at all. Something about it all being a disgrace.
I just shrugged my shoulders, said thanks and went back to my gardening project.
Has anyone had the season ticket delivered by Pat and his black and white cat yet?,now that what I call special treatment
Moi snd the teenagers, remarkable really.
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Adult ticket for Mansfield fans going to Crewe is £27. In division 4.
ha ha amazing
Me and the kids are going to that match
my kids love aways and although we are season-ticket holders at VP we still can’t get tickets for too many away trips, so we go to see the Stags instead (it’s a long story)
And yes my ticket was £27
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My best mate at University was a Stags fan. Went to see a few of their home matches with him (second half of the 1980s), still keep an eye out for their results. I still hold the Spireites in a certain disdain, too.
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My best mate at University was a Stags fan. Went to see a few of their home matches with him (second half of the 1980s), still keep an eye out for their results. I still hold the Spireites in a certain disdain, too.
Good man
My first ever Villa game was against Mansfield at field mill 1972
1-1 Geoff Vowden
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Arrived 2nd class I forgot to add
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My best mate at University was a Stags fan. Went to see a few of their home matches with him (second half of the 1980s), still keep an eye out for their results. I still hold the Spireites in a certain disdain, too.
Good man
My first ever Villa game was against Mansfield at field mill 1972
1-1 Geoff Vowden
Another mate of ours was a Sunderland fan. I recall a group of us travelling down from Newcastle to go in the away end to see Stags v Sunderland on a midweek night. Jesus, that'll be over 35 years ago.
There's a lot to be said having an interest / going the the occasional match for a team you like which isn't your own.
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Arrived 2nd class I forgot to add
Isn't that more working class for you?
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I've never been in the 1874 lounge. What is it like, where is it accessed from and how much is it? Is it open at half time too?
I was just wondering how it compares to the Terrace View and given the limited take up if that is more what the TV will become in the future. Or will it go the other way and will they upscale the 1874 and chuck some padded seats into the Witton?
I've been in there a few times. Mick Dale used to host in there, do a quiz written by Rob Bishop and you'd get an ex player or two come in. It was alright actually. You'd get a pint quick enough and a pie. It's the sort of thing they should keep on and make it a reasonable price. Last I heard it was £50 for the season so it's a shame if its gone up. I got in via a draw using my reward points.
This is the sort of thing that's being eradicated - pay a couple of quid more to get a bit better service. It's similar yo how the corporates have gone from affordable as an occasional treat to unaccessible.
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Had mine delivered yesterday by a fellow H&V poster.
He wasn't happy at all. Something about it all being a disgrace.
I just shrugged my shoulders, said thanks and went back to my gardening project.
Has anyone had the season ticket delivered by Pat and his black and white cat yet?,now that what I call special treatment
Nah, the fecker was on strike…bloody working classes!
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My best mate at University was a Stags fan. Went to see a few of their home matches with him (second half of the 1980s), still keep an eye out for their results. I still hold the Spireites in a certain disdain, too.
Good man
My first ever Villa game was against Mansfield at field mill 1972
1-1 Geoff Vowden
Another mate of ours was a Sunderland fan. I recall a group of us travelling down from Newcastle to go in the away end to see Stags v Sunderland on a midweek night. Jesus, that'll be over 35 years ago.
There's a lot to be said having an interest / going the the occasional match for a team you like which isn't your own.
Sitting in the ice cream van stand watching Jordan Bowery that’s what you get for your £27
what’s not to like
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Some ST are being reported as arriving in presentation boxes with a pen and a key ring .
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Some ST are being reported as arriving in presentation boxes with a pen and a key ring .
Those will be to the bourgeoisie living in the shires.
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https://villatrust.org.uk/fans-dissatisfaction-on-ticketing/?fbclid=IwAR1L5r1ddlZcKx8tcwmNV7nmXAJcdhYBS9luSLrca7YnN2rOlu70ShEnO24
The way loyal fans are being treated is a disgrace . This really has gone too far.
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https://villatrust.org.uk/fans-dissatisfaction-on-ticketing/?fbclid=IwAR1L5r1ddlZcKx8tcwmNV7nmXAJcdhYBS9luSLrca7YnN2rOlu70ShEnO24
The way loyal fans are being treated is a disgrace . This really has gone too far.
I dont like the implication that there hasnt been any contact since the last statement they made.
Is there anything stopping the club continuing with all these crappy decisions on the ticketing side? I'm concerned that due to demand they can more or less do what they want and aside from complaining there isnt much we can do about it.
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In the first example, wouldn't the season ticket holder have some evidence of confirmation of purchase that he could produce? There must be something that's given rise to a belief of renewel that could be relied upon.
I would like to see them publish the evidence of away tickets, as I noted when the club provided Newcastle sales criteria, they showed the overall numbers who qualified with 19 aways. The total exceeded the capacity at Bournemouth, which cannot have been correct. I wonder of the additional 300 were Terrace View purchases?
I was making a query on a cup scheme issue the other day and rang the ticket office. Suggestion away tickets may be on a ballot for the Conference League rather than loyalty. Makes my teeth itch.
There should not be any short circuit to away tickets through an advanced hospitality package. They could open up the ballot to 5-10% of away seats (depending on how bug thr away end is) to give more of a shot than the 50 now.
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I'd like to think that when the club were told that credit wasn't being extended, their first act would have been to call the ticket holder up and ask for alternative payment. If they haven't communicated with him and offered him the chance to pay upfront, that's poor.
I wonder what the terms and conditions are for the credit option. Does the credit company have the right to terminate a sale agreement between the applicant and the club? Or do the conditions say that the club can cancel the sale immediately if credit is refused?
I'm paranoid about mine, I always check my email to ensure the confirmation, and I always check the website to make sure both mine and my mate's are showing up on my history.
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Many years ago I had a stand up row with Ray Fairfax in the ticket office (the old one in the North Stand) about a certain amount of away tickets going to corporate customers. It was in the days of getting your card stamped as you purchased in person, many grounds were restricting away fans due to redevelopments linked to the Taylor Report post Hillsborough. We got 650 at Old Trafford and around 400 at Blackburn I seem to recall so these were much sought after. Anyway, I made my point about who deserved and who didn't deserve to get tickets and to be fair to Ray, he did try to explain to a young, naïve and idealistic kid about the way the world works and said, without actually saying it, that money talks.
Thirty years on, nothing has changed.
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Just checked out my season ticket renewal confirmation email, and it states;
"Applying Online - When you click ‘Pay’ you will be taken to the V12 Retail Finance application form to complete your application for finance. You must complete your season ticket application, regardless of how you pay, within 45 minutes. If paying by finance, you will usually receive an immediate decision. You will be notified by email once you have signed the agreement and completed the application. Occasionally V12 will need to review your application in more detail. If this is longer than 45 minutes then you will need to start the ticket purchase from the beginning. If your application is declined, you will be able to log back in and purchase your season ticket using a credit/debit card."
So it sounds like he hasn't checked to see his application was approved and then the onus is on him to go back and renew with a card. I don't think this is a conspiracy where the club has asked the credit company to not send the email to Holte End Upper people who are declined so they can resell the seats at a higher price.
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On the supporter refused credit and not receiving notification of this and the terrace view conspiracy. One thing i would point out is that one of my roles in my job, is to manage my organisation’s direct debit payments from members and their are often lots of members who we haven’t been able to collect a payment, claim they have never had the notifications of this, even though there is absolutely no reason why they wouldn’t.
Aside from that, the way the Terrace View is being handled does stink to be honest, particularly being able to jump the que for away games amongst all the other issues.
I do think there is a problem with away game allocation. I completely understand the need for loyalty to those who follow Villa up and down the country every other week, but how do you break into that. Ive been a season ticket holder for donkeys, my kids too. My lads a teenager now and at an age when he wants to go to more away games with me, but its virtually impossible. Last year we went to Bolton and Man Utd in the league cup and then managed to get tickets to Spurs and Liverpool and friends couldn’t go, but obviously none of these go on our booking history. The ballot system is just too small.
Im getting on but my lad is the future in terms of home and away support for the club, so there needs to be a fairer way of allowing others some chance to break into the booking of away games. Maybe Ads idea of 5-10%, would be a better way, though i know he meant for euro cup away games.
The Terrace View and the whole way they are managing this process isn’t it.
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On the supporter refused credit and not receiving notification of this and the terrace view conspiracy. One thing i would point out is that one of my roles in my job, is to manage my organisation’s direct debit payments from members and their are often lots of members who we haven’t been able to collect a payment, claim they have never had the notifications of this, even though there is absolutely no reason why they wouldn’t.
Aside from that, the way the Terrace View is being handled does stink to be honest, particularly being able to jump the que for away games amongst all the other issues.
I do think there is a problem with away game allocation. I completely understand the need for loyalty to those who follow Villa up and down the country every other week, but how do you break into that. Ive been a season ticket holder for donkeys, my kids too. My lads a teenager now and at an age when he wants to go to more away games with me, but its virtually impossible. Last year we went to Bolton and Man Utd in the league cup and then managed to get tickets to Spurs and Liverpool and friends couldn’t go, but obviously none of these go on our booking history. The ballot system is just too small.
Im getting on but my lad is the future in terms of home and away support for the club, so there needs to be a fairer way of allowing others some chance to break into the booking of away games. Maybe Ads idea of 5-10%, would be a better way, though i know he meant for euro cup away games.
The Terrace View and the whole way they are managing this process isn’t it.
I agree with loyalty being rewarded but I don’t think anyone could argue with allocating 10% of away tickets through a ballot. It seems a sensible solution to me.
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For the first example, there is no 'Terrace View' area of seating. The Trust really should get its facts right before sending these statements.
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and I'd be the last person to defend the Terrace View, but aren't the away tickets coming from a corporate allocation that has always been there? Unless this allocation has been increased then nothing has changed other than the feeling that people are jumping waiting list queues, when really all they're doing is buying entry-level corporate tickets?
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It's a badly-written and anecdote-heavy statement. Saying that, there is clearly a lack of communication coming from the club and they could solve a lot of problems by answering some of the myths surrounding Terrace View - most notably whether it involves some form of preferential treatment with regards to away tickets.
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I contacted the Villa Ticket Support and was told to speak to Hospitality. The passing of the buck in such incidences would indicate a difficult answer to my question was required.
I cannot see how if the Terrace View was taking tickets from an existing pool of aways earmarked for hospitality already, that the 19 away criteria would be 300 more than can fit into Bournemouth's away end.
The idea that I'm now not guaranteed a ticket to Bournemouth away, despite a full card since Edward the Confessor was on the throne, gives me cause for anxiety.
Regarding the ballot, I meant for all away games. Likelihood is with Villa in Europe that you'll get a ticket regardless, as we've never been that well supported for the away games outside the big lads/lads/lads places like Prague and Hamburg.
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That Trust thing is so badly written, and as Woodhall said, it's very much "someone said this" rather than just itemising the complaints.
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It is. Drafting is a skilll, but then I suppose giving up your free time is too.
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I contacted the Villa Ticket Support and was told to speak to Hospitality. The passing of the buck in such incidences would indicate a difficult answer to my question was required.
I cannot see how if the Terrace View was taking tickets from an existing pool of aways earmarked for hospitality already, that the 19 away criteria would be 300 more than can fit into Bournemouth's away end.
The idea that I'm now not guaranteed a ticket to Bournemouth away, despite a full card since Edward the Confessor was on the throne, gives me cause for anxiety.
Regarding the ballot, I meant for all away games. Likelihood is with Villa in Europe that you'll get a ticket regardless, as we've never been that well supported for the away games outside the big lads/lads/lads places like Prague and Hamburg.
It's a different world now, though. You can get to just about anywhere on a budget airline, and that's before factoring in the novelty value.
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I contacted the Villa Ticket Support and was told to speak to Hospitality. The passing of the buck in such incidences would indicate a difficult answer to my question was required.
I cannot see how if the Terrace View was taking tickets from an existing pool of aways earmarked for hospitality already, that the 19 away criteria would be 300 more than can fit into Bournemouth's away end.
The idea that I'm now not guaranteed a ticket to Bournemouth away, despite a full card since Edward the Confessor was on the throne, gives me cause for anxiety.
Regarding the ballot, I meant for all away games. Likelihood is with Villa in Europe that you'll get a ticket regardless, as we've never been that well supported for the away games outside the big lads/lads/lads places like Prague and Hamburg.
Thanks for the clarification re your last paragraph, my initial mis-reading. As you say 5-10% for the ballot would at least give some other season ticket holders a chance.
Saying, all that, if the Terrace View has allowed another 300 jump the away game que, this all becomes mute anyway.
Other posters are right imo re some clarification from the club would go a long way.
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I contacted the Villa Ticket Support and was told to speak to Hospitality. The passing of the buck in such incidences would indicate a difficult answer to my question was required.
I cannot see how if the Terrace View was taking tickets from an existing pool of aways earmarked for hospitality already, that the 19 away criteria would be 300 more than can fit into Bournemouth's away end.
The idea that I'm now not guaranteed a ticket to Bournemouth away, despite a full card since Edward the Confessor was on the throne, gives me cause for anxiety.
Regarding the ballot, I meant for all away games. Likelihood is with Villa in Europe that you'll get a ticket regardless, as we've never been that well supported for the away games outside the big lads/lads/lads places like Prague and Hamburg.
It's a different world now, though. You can get to just about anywhere on a budget airline, and that's before factoring in the novelty value.
I dont think it was particularly costly with Vienna and we took around 250 both times. Issue there was flying from Brum in 2009 we had to go via Zurich, while in 2010 we had to fly out of Gatwick (same for Odense). I might be better served by Manchester now I live up this way.
You're probably right though that we'll get a big novelty factor early on at the least. The away game mid-December (assuming we get through the Play Off) will be one that may be of lower demand.
In terms of aways, I'll contact hospitality and feedback. I'm conflicted really, as I actually wouldn't mind the idea of somewhere to sit down and eat within the Upper Holte for night games, as I'm conscious of my lad and wanting him to eat properly. I'd rather not pay £50 a time for us both, but with the increased mid-week games, it's something I might consider. I also have a big issue of puppy dog eyes asking if he's going to Newcastle or Burnley etc etc and me having to tell him no. The reality is my dad is likely to still be going to away games we'll into his 120s at this rate...
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I contacted the Villa Ticket Support and was told to speak to Hospitality. The passing of the buck in such incidences would indicate a difficult answer to my question was required.
I cannot see how if the Terrace View was taking tickets from an existing pool of aways earmarked for hospitality already, that the 19 away criteria would be 300 more than can fit into Bournemouth's away end.
The idea that I'm now not guaranteed a ticket to Bournemouth away, despite a full card since Edward the Confessor was on the throne, gives me cause for anxiety.
Regarding the ballot, I meant for all away games. Likelihood is with Villa in Europe that you'll get a ticket regardless, as we've never been that well supported for the away games outside the big lads/lads/lads places like Prague and Hamburg.
Well I don’t know exactly why, but I got 4 tickets for Newcastle last season, and none this, despite me going to more away games last season than I did the season before. I asked for an explanation but wasn’t given one, so the taking of existing corporate tickets for the new section is a distinct possibility.
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There's a bit of a misunderstanding on the number of people in each category for away tickets. The 1420 the club state as being eligible at 19+ includes
1) 10% of the Away capacity, which has been held back by the club since year dot, used to dole out to hospitality, players friends and family, away ballot winners, lions clubs, coach stewards etc. I expect the 'Terrace View' away tickets are taken out of this allocation.
2) the 1186 (by my calculation) of people who have been to all 19 away games
So for Bournemouth, everyone who went last year will be able to go this year, as that 10% in 1) will fluctuate
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On the supporter refused credit and not receiving notification of this and the terrace view conspiracy. One thing i would point out is that one of my roles in my job, is to manage my organisation’s direct debit payments from members and their are often lots of members who we haven’t been able to collect a payment, claim they have never had the notifications of this, even though there is absolutely no reason why they wouldn’t.
Aside from that, the way the Terrace View is being handled does stink to be honest, particularly being able to jump the que for away games amongst all the other issues.
I do think there is a problem with away game allocation. I completely understand the need for loyalty to those who follow Villa up and down the country every other week, but how do you break into that. Ive been a season ticket holder for donkeys, my kids too. My lads a teenager now and at an age when he wants to go to more away games with me, but its virtually impossible. Last year we went to Bolton and Man Utd in the league cup and then managed to get tickets to Spurs and Liverpool and friends couldn’t go, but obviously none of these go on our booking history. The ballot system is just too small.
Im getting on but my lad is the future in terms of home and away support for the club, so there needs to be a fairer way of allowing others some chance to break into the booking of away games. Maybe Ads idea of 5-10%, would be a better way, though i know he meant for euro cup away games.
The Terrace View and the whole way they are managing this process isn’t it.
I agree with loyalty being rewarded but I don’t think anyone could argue with allocating 10% of away tickets through a ballot. It seems a sensible solution to me.
Agree but the number should be higher - say 25%.
There's loyalty recognition and also a fair recognition that it should not be the same faces EVERY away game
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The counter-argument to that begins if you're one of the same faces.
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The counter-argument to that begins if you're one of the same daces.
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Yes agree it's a tricky one. Those who followed through thick and thin especially in the championship deserve recognition. But also it shouldn't be a closed shop. Difficult balance.
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Newcastle went to STHs only, there were tickets available on Friday evening and another small allocation of returns available today. It's not a completely closed shop, it's just hard to get the glamorous fixtures.
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I'm happy with my annual jolly up the M6 to see us get knocked out of the cup, beyond that away games don't really impact me anymore so I'll leave this one for the boffins in the north stand offices to sort.
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Newcastle went to STHs only, there were tickets available on Friday evening and another small allocation of returns available today. It's not a completely closed shop, it's just hard to get the glamorous fixtures.
For me it’s more that it’s hard to get a ‘friends’ awayday. If I really try then I might be able to get one or two tickets for the odd game, but we used to love going as a group of us. That was the fun of it!
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Newcastle went to STHs only, there were tickets available on Friday evening and another small allocation of returns available today. It's not a completely closed shop, it's just hard to get the glamorous fixtures.
For me it’s more that it’s hard to get a ‘friends’ awayday. If I really try then I might be able to get one or two tickets for the odd game, but we used to love going as a group of us. That was the fun of it!
Used to love that too. 7 or 8 of us in a PFB Van Hite with a few crates of ale and on the motorway Saturday mornings . Memories
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The big problem with the away scheme is that fans will buy a ticket even if they can’t go to the game just so they can keep up their qualification numbers (number of games I mean), knowing they’ll find someone to buy it off them anyway.
I know there are hundreds who genuinely haven’t missed a game for donkey’s years and I applaud them, and years ago when it was cash at the gate I went several seasons myself without missing a game too (including 80/81!), but anyone that wanted to could do that back then.
Now it’s a closed shop and becoming more and more difficult for the younger generation in particular to have their turn. So something has to be done about it. I would put 50% of the allocation on sale, first come first served, to all supporters who attended 50% of the away games last season in one sale. Then the other 50% go on sale to all season ticket holders (so the first group get two chances but can’t buy in both windows). Or even change those percentages to have a window for claret members too, as getting a season ticket is becoming a closed shop too.
Yes this could mean someone who hasn’t missed a game for 20 years having to miss one now and again, but you can’t own that right to a ticket just because you’ve been able to go so often before. There are also currently fans out there who ‘manage’ several references - and they are effectively deciding who gets those tickets each game. That stinks.
If the club adopt the same approach to European aways this season it is obvious what will happen - fans will buy tickets even if they can’t travel, so they can keep up their games record and guarantee themselves a ticket for when they can go, maybe the later stages of the competition.
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I tried and failed to get tickets for Newcastle on Friday and again tonight. I don’t begrudge anyone who goes to every away game having first dibs but there are certainly a lot of people who buy the tickets and pass them on just to keep their history. For me that should be looked into so others can have an opportunity.
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Well made points there DeKuip and I agree that something needs to give, however I’m not sure how committed the club are to finding a solution, otherwise they would have by now. Certainly this season is already seeing a slight shift, with reduced allocations for Liverpool and Burnley than in previous years, however this only further ringfences those in the top 2k or so of the qualifying criteria; they are still calling the shots.
I also miss being able to travel with a group of mates, on the train with beers and sometimes staying over - that’s one small aspect of life in the Championship that I miss. These days it’s just three of us, and every game is the much mocked ‘same old faces’ that gets banded about, but sadly it’s very true.
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Is it right to punish fans who do go to every game just because some do abuse their position though?
They can increase checks to make sure it is the right fans going, I’d be all in favour of that. And I’d be in favour of more tickets going into a ballot.
Whenever we are successful we get people complaining that away tickets are a closed shop, I remember it back in 2009/10 when I first became a ST holder. But I managed to get to some games and built up a history so the following season I went to every single away game, except Rapid Vienna.
Since then, there have been plenty of opportunities for people to get on the away game wagon, but usually when we are shit. People don’t want to then though.
But those of us who kept going through ten years of bollocks really don’t deserve to be treated like we are all cheating the system when people decide it’s now worth their time again.
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https://twitter.com/mckeown_ryan/status/1688621686029942784?s=46&t=KX85xbLNg41h2N4y-FzW2Q
What have they done?!
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I think you mean IHE HOLTE END.
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I agree, the overwhelming majority of the 1000 or so of us with full cards, go everywhere and have done for years in times when it wasn't hard to get an away ticket. Trying to stop a small minority passing tickets on at the expense of changing a system that would adversely discriminate those that go is disproportionate.
I think the only fair way with European aways is to go off away loyalty. A lot of the 1000 or so won't be able to go for financial/work reasons, so more would be available. I can't see it going back to either Vienna game or beyond (although it would suit if they did!) as it's just too long ago.
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https://twitter.com/mckeown_ryan/status/1688621686029942784?s=46&t=KX85xbLNg41h2N4y-FzW2Q
What have they done?!
Christ, that’s ugly.
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Ergh. That's dire.
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Who's that for?
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Shameful by those who made this happen.
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I think that's the new disabled area and the glass facade behind is the front of Terrace View
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I do miss the away days with a group of friends whether it just a day or making a weekend of it, the last championship year was the last time I was able to do that, Sheff Wed probs last one I made it to that was the whole big day out at a league game.
However, as much as the odd one like that would be fun, it would be more difficult now personally as my sons at an age when he really wants to experience the whole away day thing and i want to with him, as before I know it, he’ll probably be going with his mates.
On this, I don’t think anything disproportionate because of a few playing the system so to speak, is necessary. There has to be loyalty to the hardcore who have been going for years. There just also has to be a way in for the newer generation (in terms of age) of supporters, cheesy as it sounds my teenager and the thousands like him are the ones potentially still going in 40 years when I’m either dust, or a miracle of modern day science.
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I agree, the overwhelming majority of the 1000 or so of us with full cards, go everywhere and have done for years in times when it wasn't hard to get an away ticket. Trying to stop a small minority passing tickets on at the expense of changing a system that would adversely discriminate those that go is disproportionate.
I think the only fair way with European aways is to go off away loyalty. A lot of the 1000 or so won't be able to go for financial/work reasons, so more would be available. I can't see it going back to either Vienna game or beyond (although it would suit if they did!) as it's just too long ago.
how do you become loyal for away games if you can't get any tickets in the first place
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Start supporting us before 2019. As my little man is finding much to his cost in respect of away games.
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I went to quite a few away games in the Championship, and in the seasons before that when we were awful, but I’ve never gone to more than about half of the away games because that’s my level.
Since being back in The Premier League I think it’s got impossible because we got bigger allocations in The Championship and we ended up with more people with a full set of games. Also, the 23 awys in those seasons, gave us more people with close to 19.
So far from ‘where were you when we were in The Championship’, it’s actually that was when the numbers swelled, and the ‘hardcore’ that went to all the games got bigger.
It feels like it’s gone ‘all or nothing’. I don’t want to build up an away history of 19 games a season, I’d just like to go to half a dozen or so with my mates like I used to, regardless of ‘when we were shit’.
It’s no good saying you start with ‘Newcastle on a Tuesday night’ when there is no way of ever getting beyond that.
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The photos circulating on Twitter of the Terrace View adjustment to the Holte are pretty grim.
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According to my contact, they’ve stopped selling the Terrace View season tickets now, and are now going to sell them on a match by match basis.
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The photos circulating on Twitter of the Terrace View adjustment to the Holte are pretty grim.
Very grim….look ugly, like something off Cowboy builders - they seem intent on making it look as bad as the facilities and services on the concourses….we have some absolute planks making decisions at our club at the moment. The disparity in ability betw those making football decisions and those making what should be easy decisions around ticketing etc is stark
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Someone on twitter has pointed out that the mock ups for the new North, together with the revamped Trinity, both have what looks like a large glass fronted areas inbetween top and bottom tiers, rather like the current gas lamp in the North, therefore it appears that the Terrace may be the forerunner of this form of executive seating/lounges in all stands. I’m not sure that the Holte is the place for this though.
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I saw that photo last night, and have to admit it just made me pretty sad.
It looks shit and it shouldn’t be there.
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Looks terrible
I wonder if they will change the seats in the area where they have destroyed the lettering or that won't matter and like the badge it'll be a half job and it won't matter anyway as it's just for the scum
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The same was done with the AV lettering in the North Stand. That was butchered and never fixed properly.
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https://twitter.com/mckeown_ryan/status/1688621686029942784?s=46&t=KX85xbLNg41h2N4y-FzW2Q
What have they done?!
You have to say that is absolutely scandalous
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I went to quite a few away games in the Championship, and in the seasons before that when we were awful, but I’ve never gone to more than about half of the away games because that’s my level.
Since being back in The Premier League I think it’s got impossible because we got bigger allocations in The Championship and we ended up with more people with a full set of games. Also, the 23 awys in those seasons, gave us more people with close to 19.
So far from ‘where were you when we were in The Championship’, it’s actually that was when the numbers swelled, and the ‘hardcore’ that went to all the games got bigger.
It feels like it’s gone ‘all or nothing’. I don’t want to build up an away history of 19 games a season, I’d just like to go to half a dozen or so with my mates like I used to, regardless of ‘when we were shit’.
It’s no good saying you start with ‘Newcastle on a Tuesday night’ when there is no way of ever getting beyond that.
There has to be some reward for loyalty but also a chance for others to get onboard.
I missed very few away games between 1980 and 2000 and would’ve been a bit peeved if during the decent seasons I’d been cast aside. A ballot of between 10/15% for each game seems the only fair way in my opinion. I’ve entered every ballot there’s been and never got a ticket but have managed to get some from elsewhere. This is also an issue,
people building their history and not going. Is there a way of stopping this because I can’t think of one?
People used to just stop going but now they keep buying the tickets so they can get to the games they want. It’s being abused by some but what can you do?
10/15% or a couple of hundred per away game on a ballot seems a good way. If you win a ticket this way you sit out the next one.
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There's a lot of people moaning about this on Twitter. I'm sure this is actually the new wheelchair area and not just the Terrace View. However, the areas are clearly connected and it doesn't take much imagination to guess what a longer-term plan would be. (ooh, look at this lovely wheelchair area we've created in the North Stand / corner, now what shall we do with this very convenient area in front of the Terrace View?....) I always suspected there would be padded seats coming to the Holte, but it now makes more sense that these would be in the lower not the upper, although the current standing would make it a problem.
You would hope that they will move the letting down a few rows to replace the 'T' before the first game, but they have got a lot of work to do based on the video that's going round.
(https://i.ibb.co/Jzpvm1R/F283b9-QWYAANxd9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Jzpvm1R)
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I was talking to a friend yesterday who is a Man United season ticket holder
He told me in their European campaigns it got so bad with people buying tickets and not going in the end supporters had to go in person to a specified place, I think he said it was a hotel with their passport as proof of ID and collect the ticket that way
Apparently one of their games was in the middle of nowhere they had about 2000 tickets all sold only 300 turned up to the actual game
That’s when they decided to do something about it
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I was talking to a friend yesterday who is a Man United season ticket holder
He told me in their European campaigns it got so bad with people buying tickets and not going in the end supporters had to go in person to a specified place, I think he said it was a hotel with their passport as proof of ID and collect the ticket that way
Apparently one of their games was in the middle of nowhere they had about 2000 tickets all sold only 300 turned up to the actual game
That’s when they decided to do something about it
That's why I am confused about our checking process. We are supposed to have people every away game selected to collect their tickets on the day with ID. But even though I go every game, I've not once had to do this. I lost or didn't receive my tickets for Leicester away last season and had to get one at the ground, and they did ask for our IDs. though.
I think they could ramp this up considerably as it's no great hassle to collect from the ticket office if you know in advance to get there a bit early. Someone like me with 19 games last season should be a prime candidate to be checked at least once a season you'd think.
I can only think maybe the away grounds aren't too pleased with doing more than a handful?
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There's a lot of people moaning about this on Twitter. I'm sure this is actually the new wheelchair area and not just the Terrace View. However, the areas are clearly connected and it doesn't take much imagination to guess what a longer-term plan would be. (ooh, look at this lovely wheelchair area we've created in the North Stand / corner, now what shall we do with this very convenient area in front of the Terrace View?....) I always suspected there would be padded seats coming to the Holte, but it now makes more sense that these would be in the lower not the upper, although the current standing would make it a problem.
You would hope that they will move the letting down a few rows to replace the 'T' before the first game, but they have got a lot of work to do based on the video that's going round.
(https://i.ibb.co/Jzpvm1R/F283b9-QWYAANxd9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Jzpvm1R)
Its the wheelchair area which is the sunken part. The glass facade at the back is Terrace View .
I have no issue at all with extra wheelchairs but the glazing looks awful .
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According to my contact, they’ve stopped selling the Terrace View season tickets now, and are now going to sell them on a match by match basis.
I see the've unlocked the Holte Upper and our now selling the seats for the Everton game (as standard seats not premium TV)
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The glazing part not being centred looks particularly horrible.
It all looks like the sort of make-and-do bodge-job Crystal Palace would do to their shitty ground.
Very, very disappointing.
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Won't they have a problem with people at the back of the Lower Holte standing and obscuring the view of the wheelchair users? Difficult to tell from the pictures.
The glass looks terribly out of keeping with the stand. Doug would have been crucified.
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I remember Ellis bolting on some boxes at the back of the Witton Lane Stand and they looked exactly as they sound, awful.
Distinct echoes here.
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I understand the role of corporate in generating money for the club, of course it is necessary, but surely, one bit of the ground without any of it, would it kill them?
I look forward to them telling us they did a poll about hospitality in the Holte, and the clear demand was for this.
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I understand the role of corporate in generating money for the club, of course it is necessary, but surely, one bit of the ground without any of it, would it kill them?
I look forward to them telling us they did a poll about hospitality in the Holte, and the clear demand was for this.
This has been my point all along, I might sound precious but the Holte should be sacrosanct. None of this fuss would be kicked up had this been introduced in any other part of the ground. The Holte is always us, not us and them.
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I remember Ellis bolting on some boxes at the back of the Witton Lane Stand and they looked exactly as they sound, awful.
Distinct echoes here.
Or when he decided that adverts should cover Leitch’s masterpiece of a balcony in the Trinity. £25k per year that raised…
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Surely those can't be wheelchair spaces?
I am no sports venue architect, but even I can see that sticking wheelchair users behind 6,000 people standing up isn't going to work.
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Surely those can't be wheelchair spaces?
I am no sports venue architect, but even I can see that sticking wheelchair users behind 6,000 people standing up isn't going to work.
They are. It was discussed on here before, they removed approx 110 season ticket holders to build the space. Always felt like a strange place to build it to me.
But if you look at grounds like Old Traford, they have huge disabled seatng areas and no doubt there are regulations we need to comply with as we expand the stadium. It just feels it's in very convenient proximity to the Terrace View to me and is adding a relatively small number of spaces.
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Its like someone has whacked a 1990's conservatory into the middle of The Holte.
Hideous .
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Its like someone has whacked a 1990's conservatory into the middle of The Holte.
Hideous .
More a 70’s lean too
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Its like someone has whacked a 1990's conservatory into the middle of The Holte.
Hideous .
More a 70’s lean too
I could just see my Parker Knoll sitting behind that glass. Lovely
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I remember Ellis bolting on some boxes at the back of the Witton Lane Stand and they looked exactly as they sound, awful.
Distinct echoes here.
Or when he decided that adverts should cover Leitch’s masterpiece of a balcony in the Trinity. £25k per year that raised…
Or the green house on the back of the Trinity balcony which stopped it being listed. Or the red guttering. Or the huge brown cladding on the Holte and Witton Ends. No appreciation of history at all.
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I remember Ellis bolting on some boxes at the back of the Witton Lane Stand and they looked exactly as they sound, awful.
Distinct echoes here.
Or when he decided that adverts should cover Leitch’s masterpiece of a balcony in the Trinity. £25k per year that raised…
Or the green house on the back of the Trinity balcony which stopped it being listed. Or the red guttering. Or the huge brown cladding on the Holte and Witton Ends. No appreciation of history at all.
And that's the thing - you knew Ellis would do everything on the cheap but expected NSWE to be different.
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The brother said that he believes what happens is that they get someone to stand in front of the disability seating area to judge the height of people standing up, not sure if he is correct on this occasion
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I remember Ellis bolting on some boxes at the back of the Witton Lane Stand and they looked exactly as they sound, awful.
Distinct echoes here.
Or when he decided that adverts should cover Leitch’s masterpiece of a balcony in the Trinity. £25k per year that raised…
Or the green house on the back of the Trinity balcony which stopped it being listed. Or the red guttering. Or the huge brown cladding on the Holte and Witton Ends. No appreciation of history at all.
And that's the thing - you knew Ellis would do everything on the cheap but expected NSWE to be different.
Would they have even seen the designs (Nas & Wes) ?
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The brother said that he believes what happens is that they get someone to stand in front of the disability seating area to judge the height of people standing up, not sure if he is correct on this occasion
Well if it's that fucker that has followed me around from gig to gig for 30 odd years just stand in front of me they will need to put the area on 10 ft columns.
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I remember Ellis bolting on some boxes at the back of the Witton Lane Stand and they looked exactly as they sound, awful.
Distinct echoes here.
Or when he decided that adverts should cover Leitch’s masterpiece of a balcony in the Trinity. £25k per year that raised…
Or the green house on the back of the Trinity balcony which stopped it being listed. Or the red guttering. Or the huge brown cladding on the Holte and Witton Ends. No appreciation of history at all.
And that's the thing - you knew Ellis would do everything on the cheap but expected NSWE to be different.
Would they have even seen the designs (Nas & Wes) ?
Even if they hadn't, you'd have hoped that the make do and mend culture had been eradicated.
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I've never been in the 1874 lounge. What is it like, where is it accessed from and how much is it? Is it open at half time too?
I was just wondering how it compares to the Terrace View and given the limited take up if that is more what the TV will become in the future. Or will it go the other way and will they upscale the 1874 and chuck some padded seats into the Witton?
I've been in there a few times. Mick Dale used to host in there, do a quiz written by Rob Bishop and you'd get an ex player or two come in. It was alright actually. You'd get a pint quick enough and a pie. It's the sort of thing they should keep on and make it a reasonable price. Last I heard it was £50 for the season so it's a shame if its gone up. I got in via a draw using my reward points.
They now have Bar 1874 available on the website for the Everton game at £15.00 I'm sure they would do better if they gave a bit more detail about it though.
I assume they'll sell Terrace View on a game by game basis in a similar way. To be honest with the two free pints, programme etc, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a reasonable number of takers on an occasional basis at 25 quid.
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is Bar 1874 the former Lions Club in the Witton Lane stand ?
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is Bar 1874 the former Lions Club in the Witton Lane stand?
I believe so. And having checked the tickets on sale at £15.00 are for guests of 1874 members - so not on general sale.
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They clearly used the extra disability seats as an excuse to hack away at the back of the Holte for the Terrace view.
Future will see disability seats moved (north stand) an an executive platform for padded seats at the back of the Holte
Everything the club is doing off the pitch is sickening.
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Oh fuck off with your hyperbole. It's irritating, it's annoying, it's frustrating, its a round of fucks to be given at an FCG, it's all normal things like that. It's not Unit 731.
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They clearly used the extra disability seats as an excuse to hack away at the back of the Holte for the Terrace view.
Future will see disability seats moved (north stand) an am executive platform for padded seats at the back of the Holte
Everything the club is doing off the pitch is sickening.
This weather is getting to you isn’t it?
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One thing Unit 731 had over the VP catering operation: at least their victims didn't have to queue to receive something that'd boil their guts from the inside.
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One thing Unit 731 had over the VP catering operation: at least their victims didn't have to queue to receive something that'd boil their guts from the inside.
None of the 300,000 killed in human experimentation ever had to drink a can of Monster either. So when you put it like that, we're actually worse than the Imperial Japanese Army. Makes you sick.
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I fully back the statement by the Supporters Trust. Sadly and for some bizzare reason it seems People don't like the simple truth.
Look at the state of the Holte End, instead of putting glass walls in try refreshing the seats , they're all fading it looks a right mess.
Bring back the T !
As someone pointed out, we had to look at half of an A for years and even now it looks pathetic
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What simple truth is that?
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I fully back the statement by the Supporters Trust. Sadly and for some bizzare reason it seems People don't like the simple truth.
Look at the state of the Holte End, instead of putting glass walls in try refreshing the seats , they're all fading it looks a right mess.
Bring back the T !
As someone pointed out, we had to look at half of an A for years and even now it looks pathetic
Just admit it, you hate the club.
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One thing Unit 731 had over the VP catering operation: at least their victims didn't have to queue to receive something that'd boil their guts from the inside.
None of the 300,000 killed in human experimentation ever had to drink a can of Monster either. So when you put it like that, we're actually worse than the Imperial Japanese Army. Makes you sick.
And the Americans turn a blind eye again
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I fully back the statement by the Supporters Trust. Sadly and for some bizzare reason it seems People don't like the simple truth.
Look at the state of the Holte End, instead of putting glass walls in try refreshing the seats , they're all fading it looks a right mess.
Bring back the T !
As someone pointed out, we had to look at half of an A for years and even now it looks pathetic
Who cares how faded the seat is when it’s just gonna have an arse sitting on it?
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They clearly used the extra disability seats as an excuse to hack away at the back of the Holte for the Terrace view.
Future will see disability seats moved (north stand) an an executive platform for padded seats at the back of the Holte
Everything the club is doing off the pitch is sickening.
You say “everything” so while your sticking the boot in let’s have a list.
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How many members are there in the trust,, anyone know?
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It's easier to have a go at me and keep your head in the clouds whilst Villa Park , our home, our heritage and history is being destroyed .
There should be no corporate on The Holte.
We're Aston Villa not some Tourist London club.
Have some pride in our traditions and working class background.
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Let’s have pride in our Victorian roots.
I DEMAND the reopening of Aston Workhouse and the restoration of rickets NOW.
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I've been checking what's happening with the Holte upper for the Everton game and logged on today to see it's no longer "locked"but is now sold out. Anyone know whether they published anything about if they went on sale and if so, when?
Wonder if this is going to happen for every home game.
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I've been checking what's happening with the Holte upper for the Everton game and logged on today to see it's no longer "locked"but is now sold out. Anyone know whether they published anything about if they went on sale and if so, when?
Wonder if this is going to happen for every home game.
they couldn't shift the 300 odd left as ST so these are now being flogged by individual game
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is Bar 1874 the former Lions Club in the Witton Lane stand?
I believe so. And having checked the tickets on sale at £15.00 are for guests of 1874 members - so not on general sale.
yeah i thought 1874 was a seasonal membership - about £350 i think . All you get for that is access to a bar i believe
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It's easier to have a go at me and keep your head in the clouds whilst Villa Park , our home, our heritage and history is being destroyed .
There should be no corporate on The Holte.
We're Aston Villa not some Tourist London club.
Have some pride in our traditions and working class background.
I started going in 1972. The ground has changed totally since then. The Witton, Holte and trinity knocked down and rebuilt. The north stand built. From terracing to all seater. Corporate and restaurants in the Trinity, the Witton renamed ….
Of course if we are going back to our roots, Perry Barr here we come.
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I think it is a Purlsow scheme that was too far down the line for them to stop, but the new guy will review all of these things and hopefully take fan feelings into account. Or he'll make it corporately worse, who knows. It's annoying they have put it in the Holte, but if it doesn't sell out and is available on a match by match basis, it is something I may try once or twice. Like Simboy, I've seen the ground totally transform, so I'm not wailing and gnashing about this small change on the Holte, but it will be interesting to see what the next phase of being Villa is. NSWE have plenty of credit in the bank for me.
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I'll probably pop in and see what it's like as well if I get the opportunity at some point.
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Let’s have pride in our Victorian roots.
I DEMAND the reopening of Aston Workhouse and the restoration of rickets NOW.
Could be anything. A move back to Perry Barr, back to playing cricket, banning alcohol in the Wesleyan tradition. Who knows?
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Let’s have pride in our Victorian roots.
I DEMAND the reopening of Aston Workhouse and the restoration of rickets NOW.
Could be anything. A move back to Perry Barr, back to playing cricket, banning alcohol in the Wesleyan tradition. Who knows?
Certainly wooden seats and the taking down of the screens. Floodlights, abominable things, they can do one too.
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Maybe thats why it's so hard to get a beer!
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Let’s have pride in our Victorian roots.
I DEMAND the reopening of Aston Workhouse and the restoration of rickets NOW.
Could be anything. A move back to Perry Barr, back to playing cricket, banning alcohol in the Wesleyan tradition. Who knows?
Certainly wooden seats and the taking down of the screens. Floodlights, abominable things, they can do one too.
That stand behind the goal from 1994, that would definitely have to go.
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Let’s have pride in our Victorian roots.
I DEMAND the reopening of Aston Workhouse and the restoration of rickets NOW.
Could be anything. A move back to Perry Barr, back to playing cricket, banning alcohol in the Wesleyan tradition. Who knows?
Certainly wooden seats and the taking down of the screens. Floodlights, abominable things, they can do one too.
That stand behind the goal from 1994, that would definitely have to go.
Also lets get back to men only at matches and every single one of them wearing a hat.
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Let’s have pride in our Victorian roots.
I DEMAND the reopening of Aston Workhouse and the restoration of rickets NOW.
Could be anything. A move back to Perry Barr, back to playing cricket, banning alcohol in the Wesleyan tradition. Who knows?
Certainly wooden seats and the taking down of the screens. Floodlights, abominable things, they can do one too.
That stand behind the goal from 1994, that would definitely have to go.
Also lets get back to men only at matches and every single one of them wearing a hat.
It's the only way to stop the sickening behaviour. Wake up sheeple.
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Let’s have pride in our Victorian roots.
I DEMAND the reopening of Aston Workhouse and the restoration of rickets NOW.
Could be anything. A move back to Perry Barr, back to playing cricket, banning alcohol in the Wesleyan tradition. Who knows?
Certainly wooden seats and the taking down of the screens. Floodlights, abominable things, they can do one too.
That stand behind the goal from 1994, that would definitely have to go.
Also lets get back to men only at matches and every single one of them wearing a hat.
and carrying a rattle and a packet of woodbine
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In the heart of the working class,
A game was played with sweat and brass,
Football, the working man's hope,
With Aston Villa as their scope.
A team of heroes, loved by all,
Fans cheered and sang, answering the call,
But with each passing year and day,
The price of tickets got in the way.
Fans, beloved and true,
Were pushed aside with much ado,
As prices soared and wages stayed,
Their connection to the game began to fade.
The roar of the stadium grew faint,
As those who loved the game could not keep up with the rates,
And soon the football field was only for those,
Who could afford the price of the shows.
The working class and Aston Villa,
Gave rise to a game of great thrill,
But as money outweighed love,
It became a game of the lucky, from above.
In the sweaty streets of Birmingham,
The voices of the fans still sang,
In hopes that one day the prices would change,
And football would return to the working class, with its range.
For football, the working man's hope,
Should not be boxed in by daunting slope,
But handed back to those who love it best,
The working class, who have given it their best.
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Restoration Of Rickets! Hope the African Car Reverser gets cracking with that song title.
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Stick to our roots! While trolling a website using Ai.
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I don't know Terrace View
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I love all this working class stuff, as if anyone who can afford to go can’t actually love the club.
My dad left school at 14 to work in a factory and support his family, so I guess he was working class enough to love Villa.
I only left school after my GCSEs to go and work in a factory, and then only to support myself, so I guess I can only be a bit fond of the club?
We should put together a manifesto to make it clear we want all these posh bastards like me to get out of the club and take our useless money and singing with us!
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Anyway, back to the 'shouting at the Terrace View' thread. Guy on Twitter who has an accessible season ticket in the new section in the Holte confirmed it was sold to him as a hospitality / premium space. I don't think he jumped any queues as has had a ticket at Villa for some time, but he was chuffed to have a space in the Holte.
Good to know they're squeezing every last drop.
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Is anyone like me still waiting for delivery of their ST?
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Mine has come, but my son's hasn't.
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Quick question - due to seriously bad planning, we can't go to the first game . I want to gift my seats to a friend but would prefer not to give them the cards as they dont live especially local to me .........vaguely remember that I can ask for a pdf ticket to pass on - is this still a thing and if so, how do you go about it ?
Cheers
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Yes you can. When Ive done this, ive done it via Villa support on Twitter. They're very quick in helping as well, and will email you the pdf
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Quick question - due to seriously bad planning, we can't go to the first game . I want to gift my seats to a friend but would prefer not to give them the cards as they dont live especially local to me .........vaguely remember that I can ask for a pdf ticket to pass on - is this still a thing and if so, how do you go about it ?
Cheers
Yes, if you phone the ticket office up they should facilitate this for you. Your friends will need a fan ID. If they don't have one you can use someone else's ID (if they are not attending) as the tickets will be e-mailed to both you and them so you should be able to get them to your friends. If you need any ID's I could help as neither of my kids are going.
** this is how it used to work anyway
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Forgive my ignorance, though are you officially allowed to 'gift' your ST for the odd game you cannot make to a friend/relative?
I thought the options were:
1. Give them the ST card in the expectation they won't be asked for id, or
2. Hope the club might sell the seat to anyone and get a refund (that is marginally lower than the cost of the ST divided by the no. of games).
I've renewed our STs again and the letter mentions the ST resale facility and states, "this remains the only authorised way to resell your season ticket." UTV
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I have used the facility of phoning up and reassigning the odd game to someone else when I can't attend. Whoever you assign it to will need a client reference setting up if they haven't already so you probably need some basic details (DOB, address etc)
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Thanks Bully. :)
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Forgive my ignorance, though are you officially allowed to 'gift' your ST for the odd game you cannot make to a friend/relative?
I thought the options were:
1. Give them the ST card in the expectation they won't be asked for id, or
2. Hope the club might sell the seat to anyone and get a refund (that is marginally lower than the cost of the ST divided by the no. of games).
I've renewed our STs again and the letter mentions the ST resale facility and states, "this remains the only authorised way to resell your season ticket." UTV
Yes you can, but officially you have to re-assign the ticket to the individual and they have to have a fan id.
How they police this though I'm not sure - can they ask you for ID in the ground to prove the ticket is allocated correctly? Sounds a bit of a dodgy request.."Show me your papers" type thing.
The other difficulty is swapping a concession ticket to a full-price adult one - as you have to pay the difference or gamble on not getting stopped at a turnstile. You can only do this via the phone.
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It's not policed. If you get a paper ticket you can give it to anyone. If you trust them you can pass your season card to anyone. It only because a potential problem when you're passing on a concession ticket.
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It hasn't been in the past - but they are clamping down on ticket swapping etc... so I just wonder if/how they could manage it.
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It hasn't been in the past - but they are clamping down on ticket swapping etc... so I just wonder if/how they could manage it.
One thing I'm convinced of is that they're not going to start asking for ID at a turnstile unless a concession issue arises.
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a certain % of away tickets you have to collect at venue and show ID. All done randomly by game
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a certain % of away tickets you have to collect at venue and show ID. All done randomly by game
Yes, but that's not the same as passing your home ST to a mate.
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Will all be fingerprint access soon. Or some other digital crap where they can restrict the less fortunate
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Will all be fingerprint access soon. Or some other digital crap where they can restrict the less fortunate
If the working class don't have fingers, the only way they'd not have fingerprints, how do they work? Or mash absolute shite into their phones for the rest of us to see?
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Mouth swabs.
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Will all be fingerprint access soon. Or some other digital crap where they can restrict the less fortunate
That’s some fucking moan even for you. You really are a champion for impoverished British working class men and women.
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Will all be fingerprint access soon. Or some other digital crap where they can restrict the less fortunate
It won't be. But even so, how would this be any more restrictive to the less fortunate? Unless you're talking about people with no figures, which is a very niche part of society to be white knighting for.
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We have cashless/contactless shops opening up , a few in London. Piers Corbyn was at an Aldi the other day and there were barriers up preventing him from buying a packet of strawberries unless he signed up to the system.
you register and just walk in ,no option of using your cash or even your card. This will be the case at football. I suspect facial recognition so there will be no more 'passing on' your card to a friend or family member who may normally not be able to afford to attend. The club might offer a service to change the ticket but no doubt there will be a big process and cost attached .
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And the looking glass is well and truly entered.
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If I had a shop and saw Piers Corbyn heading my way I'd board up the fucking windows.
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tattooed Qr-code on each supporters forehead...its the only way to make sure....
::)
UTV
The Doc
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Implant in the neck.
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Who had Wilma going all "GB News" on their bingo card?
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Far from GB news fan but a very big fan of both Corbyn brothers. Principled human beings who stick by their beliefs even if I don't agree with all of them , I have nothing but admiration, going against the nodding dogs .
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Better not start this finger print crap I had mine removed just before I took part in the Great Train Robbery, up to now no one bothered me
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Far from GB news fan but a very big fan of both Corbyn brothers. Principled human beings who stick by their beliefs even if I don't agree with all of them , I have nothing but admiration, going against the nodding dogs .
Fucking hell.
I can understand why someone might remain a supporter of Jeremy, but Piers Corbyn is a bona fide nutter.
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Yep. Piers is a massive massive twat.
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Far from GB news fan but a very big fan of both Corbyn brothers. Principled human beings who stick by their beliefs even if I don't agree with all of them , I have nothing but admiration, going against the nodding dogs .
Fucking hell.
I can understand why someone might remain a supporter of Jeremy, but Piers Corbyn is a bona fide nutter.
Isn’t he a climate change denier?
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Far from GB news fan but a very big fan of both Corbyn brothers. Principled human beings who stick by their beliefs even if I don't agree with all of them , I have nothing but admiration, going against the nodding dogs .
Fucking hell.
I can understand why someone might remain a supporter of Jeremy, but Piers Corbyn is a bona fide nutter.
Isn’t he a climate change denier?
Yes he is and a Covid sceptic, likened the vaccine roll out to Auschwitz.
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We have cashless/contactless shops opening up , a few in London. Piers Corbyn was at an Aldi the other day and there were barriers up preventing him from buying a packet of strawberries unless he signed up to the system.
you register and just walk in ,no option of using your cash or even your card. This will be the case at football. I suspect facial recognition so there will be no more 'passing on' your card to a friend or family member who may normally not be able to afford to attend. The club might offer a service to change the ticket but no doubt there will be a big process and cost attached .
There is no conspiracy with cashless shops. Take Villa as an example you turn up pay for you drink/food with cash but it's not exact so you obviously want change how do you think they get that change? they have to get it from the bank who then have to transport that money to the club in a very secure and very expensive van. Then after the match that cash doesn't just magic itself into Villas bank so the 1st process has to be reversed and then once it's at the bank it has to be counted, this process isn't free the driver of the Cash In Transit van has to be paid as do the people counting it in the bank I know this because I used to do it. You think you're helping the club because you buy their stuff but if you do it with cash then the club doesn't see all your money whereas if you pay with your card which you seem opposed to then the club see a hell of a lot more of your money than if you paid cash.
Oh and one last thing the people collecting and counting the money are working class people who are on a really low wage, so if you've got a problem with cashless it's those pesky working class people that are to blame.
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I was stood behind an old chap today, who was trying to use up all his loose change to pay for something. After about 5 minutes of checking various pockets and counting lots of 10 and 5 pence pieces, he came up 15p short, admitted defeat and then used contactless anyway. I could cheerfully have chucked him in the sea.
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I thought you were going to say you had some spare change in your pocket, gave him the 15p, he was really grateful, you hugged and both went on your merry way.
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Was it Piers Corbyn by any chance? I’d have chucked that fucker in the sea before he even reached for his pocket.
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Spotlight has been off Terrace View what with events on the pitch. Wonder what it looks like now , i'm a bit anxious of looking at the Holte Sunday now if i'm honest
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Spotlight has been off Terrace View what with events on the pitch. Wonder what it looks like now , i'm a bit anxious of looking at the Holte Sunday now if i'm honest
For those of us who stood on the Holte when it was open to the heavens and remember those days all this looks like a concocted storm in a tea cup.
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Can't go Sunday so i've flogged my ticket back to the club.
Anyone done this before and do you get notified when the ticket is sold etc ?
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Can't go Sunday so i've flogged my ticket back to the club.
Anyone done this before and do you get notified when the ticket is sold etc ?
Yes I think you get a notification, then the money appears in your bank. It's a very easy system tbh and I'm always surprised when people can't be bothered to sell it back if they can't make it - it's the click of a button.
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Can't go Sunday so i've flogged my ticket back to the club.
Anyone done this before and do you get notified when the ticket is sold etc ?
Yes I think you get a notification, then the money appears in your bank. It's a very easy system tbh and I'm always surprised when people can't be bothered to sell it back if they can't make it - it's the click of a button.
thanks , yeah just checked and its confirmed online that its been resold and "you'll receive your reimbursement soon"
very easy process
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Can't go Sunday so i've flogged my ticket back to the club.
Anyone done this before and do you get notified when the ticket is sold etc ?
Terrible attitude,we may not sell out now, they will people be complaining
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Can't go Sunday so i've flogged my ticket back to the club.
Anyone done this before and do you get notified when the ticket is sold etc ?
Terrible attitude,we may not sell out now, they will people be complaining
My ticket sold almost instantly
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Can't go Sunday so i've flogged my ticket back to the club.
Anyone done this before and do you get notified when the ticket is sold etc ?
Yes I think you get a notification, then the money appears in your bank. It's a very easy system tbh and I'm always surprised when people can't be bothered to sell it back if they can't make it - it's the click of a button.
thanks , yeah just checked and its confirmed online that its been resold and "you'll receive your reimbursement soon"
very easy process
It is a genuinely good system, and pretty fair in terms of what you get / what they do.
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I've seen a photo of the gift pack on Twitter.
Nice looking pewter style Keyring plus a pen and notebook that look very pink on the photo.
Hopefully it will be sufficient to cheer Fred up in his splendid isolation.
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Just had my gift pack delivered
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I've seen a photo of the gift pack on Twitter.
Nice looking pewter style Keyring plus a pen and notebook that look very pink on the photo.
Hopefully it will be sufficient to cheer Fred up in his splendid isolation.
He'll be able to use the pen and notebook to write out his misery troll posts by hand, before screwing them up and sticking them up his arse.
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Just had my gift pack delivered
And me. I'm quite impressed by it.
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Mine arrived this morning. Plushest tat we've had for a while
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I see The Holte Suite is closed on Sunday !? WTF !? They've had all summer to get it ready
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Probably shifted the staff to the Terrace View
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Probably shifted the staff to the Terrace View
Yep.
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I see The Holte Suite is closed on Sunday !? WTF !? They've had all summer to get it ready
Seriously? Was planning on going too. That’s really poor.
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I see The Holte Suite is closed on Sunday !? WTF !? They've had all summer to get it ready
Seriously? Was planning on going too. That’s really poor.
Yep seriously. Announcement on official website
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This part of the announcement sounds ominous/costly:
“The lounge at Villa Park is undertaking renovations and upgrades, with further information to be confirmed shortly around the availability of the suite.”
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This part of the announcement sounds ominous/costly:
“The lounge at Villa Park is undertaking renovations and upgrades, with further information to be confirmed shortly around the availability of the suite.”
the writing is on the wall
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The writing is the entrance fee to the "Holte Suite View" - £500 per season.....
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There is a lot of things at Villa that we have got right I think
Owners, manager, a lot of the players we can be proud of rather than embarrassed, backroom staff also look pretty professional, ground improvement plans look good, and generally the vision going forward is positive
But there is also stuff that is still shite
Dealing with the ticket office on the website is just torturous, and the Villa app is rubbish and I’m not user friendly I’d sack anyone who had anything to do with that
The music played at matches at 100 million dB and is turned on as soon as the final whistle blows with shit songs is just bloody annoying and sucks the atmosphere straight out of the ground he/she that does that needs sacking asap
The Wi-Fi in the ground is shockingly bad well it’s non-existent. This might not be anything to do with Villa but I’m gonna moan about it anyway and all the Wi-Fi people need sacking
Anyone who had anything to do with that Terrace been built in the middle of the middle of the Holte needs sacking
Whoever decided we aren’t grown up enough to watch the sky build up or any of the matches including the actual Villa game on the concourse When you’re waiting before the match starts or popping off to the toilet, they all need sacking
whoever organises the trains leaving Aston or Witton half full after games,
They all need sacking
That’s it for now, but I can probably think of more
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Add the Ozzy Osbourne Crazy Train to above.
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Add the Ozzy Osbourne Crazy Train to above.
Weirdly, I actually like that
I think only Birmingham bands music should be played before games or maybe a little wider out if they have a connection to the Villa
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You’ve nailed it there John E, especially with the music after the game. Boils my piss that.
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I’m not user friendly
This is true, but if you put the effort in with him he can be very rewarding.
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I’m not user friendly
This is true, but if you put the effort in with him he can be very rewarding.
Trust you to notice that
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There is a lot of things at Villa that we have got right I think
Owners, manager, a lot of the players we can be proud of rather than embarrassed, backroom staff also look pretty professional, ground improvement plans look good, and generally the vision going forward is positive
But there is also stuff that is still shite
Dealing with the ticket office on the website is just torturous, and the Villa app is rubbish and I’m not user friendly I’d sack anyone who had anything to do with that
The music played at matches at 100 million dB and is turned on as soon as the final whistle blows with shit songs is just bloody annoying and sucks the atmosphere straight out of the ground he/she that does that needs sacking asap
The Wi-Fi in the ground is shockingly bad well it’s non-existent. This might not be anything to do with Villa but I’m gonna moan about it anyway and all the Wi-Fi people need sacking
Anyone who had anything to do with that Terrace been built in the middle of the middle of the Holte needs sacking
Whoever decided we aren’t grown up enough to watch the sky build up or any of the matches including the actual Villa game on the concourse When you’re waiting before the match starts or popping off to the toilet, they all need sacking
whoever organises the trains leaving Aston or Witton half full after games,
They all need sacking
That’s it for now, but I can probably think of more
Rant of The Day
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There is a lot of things at Villa that we have got right I think
Owners, manager, a lot of the players we can be proud of rather than embarrassed, backroom staff also look pretty professional, ground improvement plans look good, and generally the vision going forward is positive
But there is also stuff that is still shite
Dealing with the ticket office on the website is just torturous, and the Villa app is rubbish and I’m not user friendly I’d sack anyone who had anything to do with that
The music played at matches at 100 million dB and is turned on as soon as the final whistle blows with shit songs is just bloody annoying and sucks the atmosphere straight out of the ground he/she that does that needs sacking asap
The Wi-Fi in the ground is shockingly bad well it’s non-existent. This might not be anything to do with Villa but I’m gonna moan about it anyway and all the Wi-Fi people need sacking
Anyone who had anything to do with that Terrace been built in the middle of the middle of the Holte needs sacking
Whoever decided we aren’t grown up enough to watch the sky build up or any of the matches including the actual Villa game on the concourse When you’re waiting before the match starts or popping off to the toilet, they all need sacking
whoever organises the trains leaving Aston or Witton half full after games,
They all need sacking
That’s it for now, but I can probably think of more
Top ranting - and I agree with all of it,
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Add the Ozzy Osbourne Crazy Train to above.
Weirdly, I actually like that
I think only Birmingham bands music should be played before games or maybe a little wider out if they have a connection to the Villa
I agree.
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I wonder if Where it Lands will be back this season.
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There is a lot of things at Villa that we have got right I think
Owners, manager, a lot of the players we can be proud of rather than embarrassed, backroom staff also look pretty professional, ground improvement plans look good, and generally the vision going forward is positive
But there is also stuff that is still shite
Dealing with the ticket office on the website is just torturous, and the Villa app is rubbish and I’m not user friendly I’d sack anyone who had anything to do with that
The music played at matches at 100 million dB and is turned on as soon as the final whistle blows with shit songs is just bloody annoying and sucks the atmosphere straight out of the ground he/she that does that needs sacking asap
The Wi-Fi in the ground is shockingly bad well it’s non-existent. This might not be anything to do with Villa but I’m gonna moan about it anyway and all the Wi-Fi people need sacking
Anyone who had anything to do with that Terrace been built in the middle of the middle of the Holte needs sacking
Whoever decided we aren’t grown up enough to watch the sky build up or any of the matches including the actual Villa game on the concourse When you’re waiting before the match starts or popping off to the toilet, they all need sacking
whoever organises the trains leaving Aston or Witton half full after games,
They all need sacking
That’s it for now, but I can probably think of more
Top ranting - and I agree with all of it,
People moan about 'the wifi' but do they realise they're not talking about 'the wifi' but their mobile network data coverage?
Unless you're connecting to a Villa wifi network when you get to the ground, you're talking about the mobile data bandwidth at the ground, as provided by the mobile networks.
The reason it is shit is because, in an area where - say, on a normal week day - there might be 1,000 in radius of the mast in question, which works well, on match day there are 45,000 odd, and the bandwidth can not cope.
So it's fuck all to do with the club if it doesn't work very well, it is ALL on the mobile networks and nowt to do with 'wifi people'.
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There is a lot of things at Villa that we have got right I think
Owners, manager, a lot of the players we can be proud of rather than embarrassed, backroom staff also look pretty professional, ground improvement plans look good, and generally the vision going forward is positive
But there is also stuff that is still shite
Dealing with the ticket office on the website is just torturous, and the Villa app is rubbish and I’m not user friendly I’d sack anyone who had anything to do with that
The music played at matches at 100 million dB and is turned on as soon as the final whistle blows with shit songs is just bloody annoying and sucks the atmosphere straight out of the ground he/she that does that needs sacking asap
The Wi-Fi in the ground is shockingly bad well it’s non-existent. This might not be anything to do with Villa but I’m gonna moan about it anyway and all the Wi-Fi people need sacking
Anyone who had anything to do with that Terrace been built in the middle of the middle of the Holte needs sacking
Whoever decided we aren’t grown up enough to watch the sky build up or any of the matches including the actual Villa game on the concourse When you’re waiting before the match starts or popping off to the toilet, they all need sacking
whoever organises the trains leaving Aston or Witton half full after games,
They all need sacking
That’s it for now, but I can probably think of more
Top ranting - and I agree with all of it,
People moan about 'the wifi' but do they realise they're not talking about 'the wifi' but their mobile network data coverage?
Unless you're connecting to a Villa wifi network when you get to the ground, you're talking about the mobile data bandwidth at the ground, as provided by the mobile networks.
The reason it is shit is because, in an area where - say, on a normal week day - there might be 1,000 in radius of the mast in question, which works well, on match day there are 45,000 odd, and the bandwidth can not cope.
So it's fuck all to do with the club if it doesn't work very well, it is ALL on the mobile networks and nowt to do with 'wifi people'.
It’s them their Wi-Fi people I tell ya
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Would that mean the local residents wifi goes down when villa are at home ?
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Would that mean the local residents wifi goes down when villa are at home ?
No, it has absolutely nothing to do with Wifi.
It means that, if they are trying to use their phone mobile data connection, and sharing the same masts as the 42000 people next door to them for 90 minutes, they'll suffer the same problem.
Mobile networks are not designed for tens of thousands of people within a space a bit larger than a football pitch plus stands.
This is like any one of the 1000 times I've explained to my 83 year old father the difference between hard drive storage and RAM.
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Will all be fingerprint access soon. Or some other digital crap where they can restrict the less fortunate
It won't be. But even so, how would this be any more restrictive to the less fortunate? Unless you're talking about people with no figures, which is a very niche part of society to be white knighting for.
Even my mate who hasn’t got many fingers has got some fingers. Me, another mate and him were taking shelter from a helluva storm once at work, and arguing over who should run to the coffee machine.
“We’ll play rock, paper, scissors to decide” I said, and off he trudged, like Captain Oates.
True story.
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Would that mean the local residents wifi goes down when villa are at home ?
No, it has absolutely nothing to do with Wifi.
It means that, if they are trying to use their phone mobile data connection, and sharing the same masts as the 42000 people next door to them for 90 minutes, they'll suffer the same problem.
Mobile networks are not designed for tens of thousands of people within a space a bit larger than a football pitch plus stands.
This is like any one of the 1000 times I've explained to my 83 year old father the difference between hard drive storage and RAM.
Is this why people on Twitter are always talking about the goat???
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(https://i.ibb.co/CJPPdYk/IMG-20230819-WA0003.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CJPPdYk)
Nice gift from the club...kids was shite btw!
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My gift hasn't arrived . Pissed off as i had some notes to make today.
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Would that mean the local residents wifi goes down when villa are at home ?
No, it has absolutely nothing to do with Wifi.
It means that, if they are trying to use their phone mobile data connection, and sharing the same masts as the 42000 people next door to them for 90 minutes, they'll suffer the same problem.
Mobile networks are not designed for tens of thousands of people within a space a bit larger than a football pitch plus stands.
This is like any one of the 1000 times I've explained to my 83 year old father the difference between hard drive storage and RAM.
so their phone connection for data etc won't be good when Villa are at home . I bet that pisses them right off
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Would that mean the local residents wifi goes down when villa are at home ?
No, it has absolutely nothing to do with Wifi.
It means that, if they are trying to use their phone mobile data connection, and sharing the same masts as the 42000 people next door to them for 90 minutes, they'll suffer the same problem.
Mobile networks are not designed for tens of thousands of people within a space a bit larger than a football pitch plus stands.
This is like any one of the 1000 times I've explained to my 83 year old father the difference between hard drive storage and RAM.
so their phone connection for data etc won't be good when Villa are at home . I bet that pisses them right off
Hopefully they can connect their phones to their wifi if that’s an issue at home.
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My gift hasn't arrived . Pissed off as i had some notes to make today.
Very good. Made me smile
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Would that mean the local residents wifi goes down when villa are at home ?
No, it has absolutely nothing to do with Wifi.
It means that, if they are trying to use their phone mobile data connection, and sharing the same masts as the 42000 people next door to them for 90 minutes, they'll suffer the same problem.
Mobile networks are not designed for tens of thousands of people within a space a bit larger than a football pitch plus stands.
This is like any one of the 1000 times I've explained to my 83 year old father the difference between hard drive storage and RAM.
so their phone connection for data etc won't be good when Villa are at home . I bet that pisses them right off
Hopefully they can connect their phones to their wifi if that’s an issue at home.
so why cant we get powerful wifi in the ground so we can all do the same ?
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Anybody else find something like this hidden behind the notebook?
(https://i.ibb.co/9n5WWJQ/16924588714745495125743951288691.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9n5WWJQ)
It looks like it's been cut out from a posh greetings card. Odd.
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(https://i.ibb.co/CJPPdYk/IMG-20230819-WA0003.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CJPPdYk)
Nice gift from the club...kids was shite btw!
Mine finally arrived today .Fully justifies the 50% hike in the price of my season ticket.
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No wonder they’re late arriving if we’re all getting personalised messages. Lucky you, mine will probably be something like “piss off you miserable old twat”.
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Mine said 'Fick errf, you sad paftic winker'.
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(https://i.ibb.co/CJPPdYk/IMG-20230819-WA0003.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CJPPdYk)
Nice gift from the club...kids was shite btw!
Mine finally arrived today .Fully justifies the 50% hike in the price of my season ticket.
Yes indeed. I was almost in tears as I opened it, total emotional wreck. I feel as though I haven’t paid enough to deserve this.
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I received the gift pack earlier. No season card with it though??? Does that come separately?
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I received the gift pack earlier. No season card with it though??? Does that come separately?
Season card?? I just got the notepad, pen, key ring?
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Anybody else find something like this hidden behind the notebook?
(https://i.ibb.co/9n5WWJQ/16924588714745495125743951288691.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9n5WWJQ)
It looks like it's been cut out from a posh greetings card. Odd.
Yes, it said:
Roses are Red
Claret and Blue
You're too poor for the Holte
So fuck you!
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I received the gift pack earlier. No season card with it though??? Does that come separately?
If you mean season tickets, yes, ours arrived separately to the gift box
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I received the gift pack earlier. No season card with it though??? Does that come separately?
Season card?? I just got the notepad, pen, key ring?
I meant Season ticket which is a card. At least I know/think it might be on its way. In these times of tech taking the place of the written word I can’t see much point to the note book and pen as nice as they are.
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I received the gift pack earlier. No season card with it though??? Does that come separately?
Season card?? I just got the notepad, pen, key ring?
I meant Season ticket which is a card. At least I know/think it might be on its way. In these times of tech taking the place of the written word I can’t see much point to the note book and pen as nice as they are.
If you haven't received your ST yet you need to start chucking your toys out the pram. How did you get in against Everton?
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the season cards were sent out weeks ago
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Would that mean the local residents wifi goes down when villa are at home ?
No, it has absolutely nothing to do with Wifi.
It means that, if they are trying to use their phone mobile data connection, and sharing the same masts as the 42000 people next door to them for 90 minutes, they'll suffer the same problem.
Mobile networks are not designed for tens of thousands of people within a space a bit larger than a football pitch plus stands.
This is like any one of the 1000 times I've explained to my 83 year old father the difference between hard drive storage and RAM.
Even the concept of providing a WiFi service within the stadium for the numbers involved is almost impossible, due to how close large numbers are together.
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I received the gift pack earlier. No season card with it though??? Does that come separately?
Season card?? I just got the notepad, pen, key ring?
I meant Season ticket which is a card. At least I know/think it might be on its way. In these times of tech taking the place of the written word I can’t see much point to the note book and pen as nice as they are.
Got our season tickets weeks ago Bren.
I like and notepad, old fecker that I am….a quill and ink would of better!
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Bren, also got mine weeks ago with a note explaining that the gift box would be sent out separately and, I received that yesterday.
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Anybody else find something like this hidden behind the notebook?
(https://i.ibb.co/9n5WWJQ/16924588714745495125743951288691.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9n5WWJQ)
It looks like it's been cut out from a posh greetings card. Odd.
Yes, it said:
Roses are Red
Claret and Blue
You're too poor for the Holte
So fuck you!
This has cheered me up too.
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from the BBC
David Michael, My Old Man Said, external
It was business as usual as Aston Villa secured their eighth consecutive home league win against an Everton team that Unai Emery would have probably hand-picked, if he could have chosen a team to play to help get his side back on track.
While Villa looked slick on the pitch, off it, Villa supporters witnessed the surreal spectacle of velvet ropes, concierge staff and laminates in the Holte End on the first game back at Villa Park. For some, this ‘Terrace View’ hospitality offering was an unsavoury sight.
In football, it's long been tradition in football that the main "kop" end behind the goal drives the atmosphere and is the stand that guards the working-class soul of the game, as hospitality and upselling gradually infiltrate other areas. The Holte End once stood proudly as Europe's biggest single stand "kop" end and a cornerstone of Villa Park's identity and the club itself.
While the club's commercial team has used Premier League benchmarking to justify back-to-back sizeable ticket price increases, it failed to benchmark this particular initiative. The Kop at Anfield or the Gallowgate End at Newcastle, certainly wouldn't consider offering hospitality. Spurs built a new stadium and purposely avoided hospitality in the South Stand. Meanwhile, even Manchester United have recently admitted to the errors of their way, announcing plans to remove hospitality from the Stretford End.
This isn't a sentimental perspective - it's vital to preserving the atmosphere of Villa Park, which faces greater gentrification when the North Stand - that recently hosted the stadium's cheapest seats - is rebuilt with a focus on various hospitality options.
I'm certain Emery doesn't want to manage in the Premier League in front of an atmosphere resembling a library. He tried it once before, and that didn't go too well for him.
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Just released on the site. All getting a bit draconian....
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/august/29/ticketing-regulations-for-2023-24/
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Just released on the site. All getting a bit draconian....
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/august/29/ticketing-regulations-for-2023-24/
God forbid anyone should want to let their mate have a spare because they can't go.
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Just released on the site. All getting a bit draconian....
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/august/29/ticketing-regulations-for-2023-24/
God forbid anyone should want to let their mate have a spare because they can't go.
To be fair, that can still happen, it's just that the Villa want to know about it?
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Just released on the site. All getting a bit draconian....
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/august/29/ticketing-regulations-for-2023-24/
God forbid anyone should want to let their mate have a spare because they can't go.
To be fair, that can still happen, it's just that the Villa want to know about it?
And if you don't tell them you get banned. Great.
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Imagine it's match day, a couple of hours before kick off, something happens in life so you can't go. You give it to your good mate that lives next door as he can't afford matches and you don't want your seat wasted. Club finds out, you are banned from Villa for a month. Yeah they can get to fuck.
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How will they check? ID people at the turnstile?
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Imagine it's match day, a couple of hours before kick off, something happens in life so you can't go. You give it to your good mate that lives next door as he can't afford matches and you don't want your seat wasted Club finds out, you are banned from Villa for a month. Yeah they can get to fuck.
That was my first thought too…if I know I am away weeks in advance wouldn’t have any problem doing it the clubs way but it’s sad if you fall sick on day of game and can’t let a mate cheers the team on…sure they won’t have anything in place for on the day changes
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Just released on the site. All getting a bit draconian....
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/august/29/ticketing-regulations-for-2023-24/
God forbid anyone should want to let their mate have a spare because they can't go.
To be fair, that can still happen, it's just that the Villa want to know about it?
And if you don't tell them you get banned. Great.
Yep, I get that, but as demand grows, and tickets get moved on inappropriately, it helps to counteract it.
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How will they check? ID people at the turnstile?
Impossible at the minute unless they want to employ additional staff and I can't see fans being too kind to such people interrogating them with questions like.... the name of your first pet?
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Imagine it's match day, a couple of hours before kick off, something happens in life so you can't go. You give it to your good mate that lives next door as he can't afford matches and you don't want your seat wasted. Club finds out, you are banned from Villa for a month. Yeah they can get to fuck.
There's always an exception.
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My Season Ticket still hasn't arrived.
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My Season Ticket still hasn't arrived.
How did you get into the Everton game
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Just released on the site. All getting a bit draconian....
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/august/29/ticketing-regulations-for-2023-24/
God forbid anyone should want to let their mate have a spare because they can't go.
To be fair, that can still happen, it's just that the Villa want to know about it?
what the process and how easy is it because I am still learning about the internet
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Just released on the site. All getting a bit draconian....
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/august/29/ticketing-regulations-for-2023-24/
God forbid anyone should want to let their mate have a spare because they can't go.
To be fair, that can still happen, it's just that the Villa want to know about it?
what the process and how easy is it because I am still learning about the internet
As they failed to "activate" some season tickets for the first game against Everton, opening two windows at the ticket office near the Holte for us to queue at - lets not hold our breath that the club will get any technology to allow an easy transfer.
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Just released on the site. All getting a bit draconian....
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/august/29/ticketing-regulations-for-2023-24/
God forbid anyone should want to let their mate have a spare because they can't go.
To be fair, that can still happen, it's just that the Villa want to know about it?
And if you don't tell them you get banned. Great.
Yep, I get that, but as demand grows, and tickets get moved on inappropriately, it helps to counteract it.
Counteract what? There's never been a problem with touting at Villa and there still isn't. This is additional control for the sake of it.
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Yeah, they can get to fuck with this shit.
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Just released on the site. All getting a bit draconian....
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/august/29/ticketing-regulations-for-2023-24/
God forbid anyone should want to let their mate have a spare because they can't go.
To be fair, that can still happen, it's just that the Villa want to know about it?
And if you don't tell them you get banned. Great.
Yep, I get that, but as demand grows, and tickets get moved on inappropriately, it helps to counteract it.
Counteract what? There's never been a problem with touting at Villa and there still isn't. This is additional control for the sake of it.
The only thing I can think of is knowing who is who within the stadium in the event of, for example, racist chanting.
That’s all I can think of as a reason and even then it’s weak. As you say, smacks of control for the sake of it.
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They should just come out and say that they just want a ground full of tourists paying over the odds and be done with it. Wankers.
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Much like the away scheme, they're probably also looking at the risk of a closed shop (particularly when it comes to reduced capacity when the north stand goes). They'd want to both:
a) have something in place to ensure it isn't a closed shop and
b) at least have the punishments documented and communicated if they have suspicions about some repeat offenders using their reference to gain from the club and need to enforce them
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I have always felt that if I passed my ST onto someone, I would be responsible, to a certain extent, for their behaviour so would be careful who had it. I've only ever given it to mates and I don't think there is a problem here. Touting control I get, giving tickets to any Tom, Dick or away fan too but I would imagine that most ST holders are mindful.
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I don't think they will ever be able to catch out someone lending a ST to a mate, so long as it's not a concession. I can't ever see them asking home fans for ID. But they will catch people advertising their ticket on social media.
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Other clubs have asked for ID on season tickets - but before doing so had an amnesty (Liverpool , Man City) , as they realise tickets get passed down through generations.
They did this as they wanted to know who was in the ground on any given matchday for security reasons
https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/announcements/290327-reds-outline-proposals-for-season-ticket-amnesty
“I must stress that this isn’t about taking season tickets away from supporters – we are aware that not all season tickets are held in the name of the supporter who attends the matches but this is about bringing our records up to date with the primary owner of the season ticket and providing updated contact details. We are also aware that the primary season ticket holder isn’t always able to attend the match and our ongoing discussions with this Fan Forum will include this point and how best to deal that.
A common sense approach - and completely different language used in its communications than from our lot.
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Are the ticket office staff all still working from home due to ‘Covid 19’?
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Are the ticket office staff all still working from home due to ‘Covid 19’?
Yes the only ticket office in the premiership that hasn't reopened.
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Do Box Holders have to tell the club who will be sitting in their hospitality area for any given game ? That's probably got a bigger turn around of unknown people attending than a season ticket holder who want to give their ticket to a family member when they can't attend ( something I've done occasionally, and not even thought about asking for any money) . Stuff like this really pisses me off.
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/august/29/ticketing-regulations-for-2023-24/
What they have omitted is the corporate tickets which find 3rd party hands (talking about away games). Nothing will happen here as it is massive revenue.
There was a number of fans who were in Edinburgh and had tickets who do not attend every game. A few did get caught out apparently. Lets face it the whole ticket issue for all clubs now is a mess. Could get worse when Clubs decide no more £30/3,000 away fans.
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In these modern times I will always identify as the person whose name is on the ticket.
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The tone of this stuff annoys me.
Like we should basically consider the right to give them hundreds or thousands of pounds a year to be a god given gift they bestow on us at their leisure.
How quickly the tone changes from
decades of begging us to buy season tickets.
And all this wrapped up in language that makes it sound like we asked them for these rules rather than it being about income maximisation.
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I agree with the away tickets, if you can’t go, you shouldn’t still get a ticket and pass it on to keep your history up, just let it to the next eligible person in line
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Another very poor move by the off pitch side of the club. Treating us like children
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God forbid we ever fall on tough times on the playing side, and the waiting list disappears. They’d change the tone of their messages then.
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How will they check? ID people at the turnstile?
Wonder if they will use people grassing ? Bloke next to me has been after my seat for a while and I wouldn't put it past him ringing the club
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God forbid we ever fall on tough times on the playing side, and the waiting list disappears. They’d change the tone of their messages then.
They should look back a few years and see how quickly Randy Lerner's popularity evaporated.
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Couldn't give my ticket away when we were shit
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The tone of this stuff annoys me.
Like we should basically consider the right to give them hundreds or thousands of pounds a year to be a god given gift they bestow on us at their leisure.
How quickly the tone changes from
decades of begging us to buy season tickets.
And all this wrapped up in language that makes it sound like we asked them for these rules rather than it being about income maximisation.
This, in florescent 72 point bold font and flashing lights.
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Am I right in thinking that if I can't go and hand it to a mate, I have to notify the club as to who is using my ticket?
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Am I right in thinking that if I can't go and hand it to a mate, I have to notify the club as to who is using my ticket?
You’re supposed to but there’s no way on earth they can police it so quite frankly they can go fuck themselves.
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What makes me laugh is that I literally cannot give them my money at the moment as i'm unable to buy a claret membership through the website (because it's a complete piece of shit that has been hanging for me for weeks), meaning that i can't buy tickets with my own fan ID, and they have the cheek to come out with this arsiness?
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Is there a maximum amount of matches you can transfer the ticket? Not sure if I’ve made it up but upgrading from a concession to an adult had a limit.
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Is there a maximum amount of matches you can transfer the ticket? Not sure if I’ve made it up but upgrading from a concession to an adult had a limit.
I think selling ST back to the club was 5 max ?
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Am I right in thinking that if I can't go and hand it to a mate, I have to notify the club as to who is using my ticket?
You’re supposed to but there’s no way on earth they can police it so quite frankly they can go fuck themselves.
Exactly.
While there is no ID required at the turnstile then why bother telling them? Mine ( when I miss a game which is as rare as a positive Fred Flinstone post) goes to family for nowt. My mate next to me is battling a brain tumour and his situation is strictly match by match so he does the same, sometimes at the last minute.
A completely pointless press release.
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I cannot make Sunday games so will be passing on to friends / family
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Yep. If I can’t go, which is usually quite a lot early season , friends have mine for free.
They can’t police it.
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Yep. If I can’t go, which is usually quite a lot early season , friends have mine for free.
They can’t police it.
They could technically if they are going down that route .
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I don’t miss the bedrock bellyache, but in this instance I’d have agreed if he had been here* to post: “disgrace!.
*he’s not dead..(probably).
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Whilst not wishing to give the club ideas, the way to police it is to have all ST holders upload a photo of themselves and for that to flash up on screen for the turnstile operator to check when a card is used
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Whilst not wishing to give the club ideas, the way to police it is to have all ST holders upload a photo of themselves and for that to flash up on screen for the turnstile operator to check when a card is used
Haven't they already done something similar? I'm sure I had to upload a photo not long ago....
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They cant even employ enough staff who have the mental capacity and load to pour a pint at HT, so random spot checks on ST and seats are a pipe dream
Club off the pitch at the minute are so bloody detached from reality
Maybe just maybe, have a better functioning website to allow for fan id changes etc rather than phone lines that dont work!!
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They cant even employ enough staff who have the mental capacity and load to pour a pint at HT, so random spot checks on ST and seats are a pipe dream
Club off the pitch at the minute are so bloody detached from reality
Maybe just maybe, have a better functioning website to allow for fan id changes etc rather than phone lines that dont work!!
Absolutely right. That’s the obvious approach. Allow people to add friends and family online, and then season ticket holders can just reassign as and when.
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Maybe just maybe, have a better functioning website to allow for fan id changes etc rather than phone lines that dont work!!
This is one of my great bugbears of modern life. Companies that make it possible to do online, usually instantly, things that make them money but then force you to make a phone call for the bits that don’t, when there is absolutely no technical reason to do so.
For example, i had a newspaper subscription which I initially took out online in about thirty seconds.
Last week I wanted to cancel it and had to phone them to do so (sat in a queue for thirty minutes).
Genuinely, I think companies should be forced by law to not be able to have a deliberately frictional slow process to cancel or change a service that can be bought online entirely without friction.
Villa and their fucking resorting to phone lines are, I’m afraid, another cynical example of this.
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Whilst not wishing to give the club ideas, the way to police it is to have all ST holders upload a photo of themselves and for that to flash up on screen for the turnstile operator to check when a card is used
Ah, Thatchers ID cards win at last.
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Whilst not wishing to give the club ideas, the way to police it is to have all ST holders upload a photo of themselves and for that to flash up on screen for the turnstile operator to check when a card is used
Haven't they already done something similar? I'm sure I had to upload a photo not long ago....
I think that was for the first few games back during the pandemic, when there was an application/ballot system for the few thousand let in.
Understandable at that time that the club needed to know who was in the ground
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Whilst not wishing to give the club ideas, the way to police it is to have all ST holders upload a photo of themselves and for that to flash up on screen for the turnstile operator to check when a card is used
Haven't they already done something similar? I'm sure I had to upload a photo not long ago....
I think that was for the first few games back during the pandemic, when there was an application/ballot system for the few thousand let in.
Understandable at that time that the club needed to know who was in the ground
They still have my photo on there records,
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Am I right in thinking that if I can't go and hand it to a mate, I have to notify the club as to who is using my ticket?
Theoretically yes. In reality no.
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Whilst not wishing to give the club ideas, the way to police it is to have all ST holders upload a photo of themselves and for that to flash up on screen for the turnstile operator to check when a card is used
Haven't they already done something similar? I'm sure I had to upload a photo not long ago....
Nah, they're not going to pay for that. And the operators aren't going to scrutinise it like a passport either.
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Whilst not wishing to give the club ideas, the way to police it is to have all ST holders upload a photo of themselves and for that to flash up on screen for the turnstile operator to check when a card is used
Haven't they already done something similar? I'm sure I had to upload a photo not long ago....
I think that was for the first few games back during the pandemic, when there was an application/ballot system for the few thousand let in.
Understandable at that time that the club needed to know who was in the ground
They still have my photo on there records,
And mine.
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I really struggle getting up to midweek games so always ask my mates in Brum if they would like the use of my season ticket....I never ask for any money for it either.
UTV
The Doc
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I would imagine from next season we will be gaining access to the ground via an app on our phone (maybe a problem for me as I do not have a mobile phone!)
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Next there will be league bans for ST holders who don't go to Cup games. Like Utd do (or used to , not sure if they finally realised that was not a good approach)
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Brentford do this too.
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Whilst not wishing to give the club ideas, the way to police it is to have all ST holders upload a photo of themselves and for that to flash up on screen for the turnstile operator to check when a card is used
Haven't they already done something similar? I'm sure I had to upload a photo not long ago....
Nah, they're not going to pay for that. And the operators aren't going to scrutinise it like a passport either.
The staff struggle to open a bottle of pop or pour a beer from a can - checking photos vs what they have on record will be way beyond them.
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The investment to have digital imaging at the turnstiles is a way off I would have thought.
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Whilst not wishing to give the club ideas, the way to police it is to have all ST holders upload a photo of themselves and for that to flash up on screen for the turnstile operator to check when a card is used
Haven't they already done something similar? I'm sure I had to upload a photo not long ago....
Nah, they're not going to pay for that. And the operators aren't going to scrutinise it like a passport either.
The staff struggle to open a bottle of pop or pour a beer from a can - checking photos vs what they have on record will be way beyond them.
& don’t forget the ‘Pat downs’ outside the turnstile, the single most pointless thing ever…would never locate a weapon/missile/flare in a million years
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Whilst not wishing to give the club ideas, the way to police it is to have all ST holders upload a photo of themselves and for that to flash up on screen for the turnstile operator to check when a card is used
Haven't they already done something similar? I'm sure I had to upload a photo not long ago....
Nah, they're not going to pay for that. And the operators aren't going to scrutinise it like a passport either.
The staff struggle to open a bottle of pop or pour a beer from a can - checking photos vs what they have on record will be way beyond them.
imagine the delays / queue lengths if they had to start checking / reading documentation etc
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Holte Suite not available again tomorrow. Now, I don't want to be cunty about it but I will. Would it be correct that ST were sold on the understanding that access would be available, but not guaranteed due to capacity, for this area? I can't be arsed to see if it is mentioned on the website but could there be a case of miss-selling here in that there is less available for a higher cost. Would they have to have pointed it out at the time of purchase?
This may sound rather nit picky and maybe even unnecessary but let's face facts, the Club are being like that so why the fuck shouldn't we?
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Next there will be league bans for ST holders who don't go to Cup games. Like Utd do (or used to , not sure if they finally realised that was not a good approach)
There was a mention of this for the Hibs home and away tickets, it says something like if you fail to attend this fixture it may impact on your ability to get tickets for later rounds.
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Next there will be league bans for ST holders who don't go to Cup games. Like Utd do (or used to , not sure if they finally realised that was not a good approach)
There was a mention of this for the Hibs home and away tickets, it says something like if you fail to attend this fixture it may impact on your ability to get tickets for later rounds.
Sure with Manchester United you got to join the cup scheme where you automatically get tickets,if you don't and reach the final, you are omitted, happened to a friend although they did email him very late on if he wanted a ticket for the final at £250 a ticket I think it was
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Holte Suite not available again tomorrow. Now, I don't want to be cunty about it but I will. Would it be correct that ST were sold on the understanding that access would be available, but not guaranteed due to capacity, for this area? I can't be arsed to see if it is mentioned on the website but could there be a case of miss-selling here in that there is less available for a higher cost. Would they have to have pointed it out at the time of purchase?
This may sound rather nit picky and maybe even unnecessary but let's face facts, the Club are being like that so why the fuck shouldn't we?
I think you may have a good point here . Whether the club will listen i doubt it. You'd probably need to go to Small Claims Court , Villa would lose and refund you and then probably give you a life ban.
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Brentford do this too.
Brentford's ground has a capacity of 17,000, a vast and wealthy population on their doorstep and the novelty of doing better than they've ever done before. They can racketeer away with the blessing of a big chunk of their crowds.
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Villa are so friendly and welcoming
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1697304289926873455
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Villa are so friendly and welcoming
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1697304289926873455
Word in the Lower Trinity is that there was some trouble earlier
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So, given the various discussions about tickets etc, I thought I'd check where I might be on the season ticket waiting list.
Last season in September I was emailed with my place on the waiting list but haven't had it yet for this. I was told by someone in the ticket office that they were going to do the same again this season, taking into consideration those who didn't want to renew/didn't take up the offer of a new season ticket and then update everyone. For whatever reason they've not done it yet for htis season so there's no update. All they could tell me was the date I was added to the list and when the list was started.
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Villa are rolling out digital season tickets.
Has anyone already had there's activated for a game or will tomorrow be the first one ?
I've already used a digital ticket for the Euro games, so I'm hopeful that it'll work ok (as long as people just tap the top of the ticket reader and don't try to put their phones into the slot)
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I had the email this morning and have added it to my wallet. I’m going straight from the airport, so have my season card with me just in case.
Seems a sensible idea to roll out though.
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All this seems to do is recreate attempts to try and get in the Smethwick End on the ocassions we play Sandwell. Everton was a joke and the European games create a huge queue as well.
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I've not had any e-mail as far as I know. I assume we can continue to use the cards for the rest of the season.
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All this seems to do is recreate attempts to try and get in the Smethwick End on the ocassions we play Sandwell. Everton was a joke and the European games create a huge queue as well.
I had no trouble at Everton going into the upper tier.
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Are they doing it for certain areas?
Upper Holte here, and I have had no electronic-mail notification.
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All this seems to do is recreate attempts to try and get in the Smethwick End on the ocassions we play Sandwell. Everton was a joke and the European games create a huge queue as well.
I had no trouble at Everton going into the upper tier.
I did as we became refugees for that match ;D
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Call me old school or paranoid, but it sounds like an attempt to limit the possibility of informally lending our ST cards to friends/family, if we can't make a home match?
Would like a reassurance that they're not scrapping cards.
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All this seems to do is recreate attempts to try and get in the Smethwick End on the ocassions we play Sandwell. Everton was a joke and the European games create a huge queue as well.
I had no trouble at Everton going into the upper tier.
I did as we became refugees for that match ;D
Ah sorry I was thinking of Everton away where we had NFC tickets.
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Call me old school or paranoid, but it sounds like an attempt to limit the possibility of informally lending our ST cards to friends/family, if we can't make a home match?
Would like a reassurance that they're not scrapping cards.
Not sure they can as not everyone has a smart phone
But you aren’t being paranoid, they absolutely don’t want people lending tickets or sharing tickets, they would rather resell tickets for full price and pocket the difference between season ticket rate and full match price
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Call me old school or paranoid, but it sounds like an attempt to limit the possibility of informally lending our ST cards to friends/family, if we can't make a home match?
Would like a reassurance that they're not scrapping cards.
Not sure they can as not everyone has a smart phone
But you aren’t being paranoid, they absolutely don’t want people lending tickets or sharing tickets, they would rather resell tickets for full price and pocket the difference between season ticket rate and full match price
You can contact the club and tell them you are passing your ticket on and they will send an email ticket to the person you’re passing it on to with no money changing hands. You only need to say that you are giving it (not selling it)
Of course, with the waiting list they may start to limit the number of times you can do this.
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All this seems to do is recreate attempts to try and get in the Smethwick End on the ocassions we play Sandwell. Everton was a joke and the European games create a huge queue as well.
I had no trouble at Everton going into the upper tier.
I did as we became refugees for that match ;D
Ah sorry I was thinking of Everton away where we had NFC tickets.
Oh☹️ Read properly next time (reminder to self)😂
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...anyhow, the digital ticket worked fine for me on Tuesday
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Call me old school or paranoid, but it sounds like an attempt to limit the possibility of informally lending our ST cards to friends/family, if we can't make a home match?
Would like a reassurance that they're not scrapping cards.
Not sure they can as not everyone has a smart phone
But you aren’t being paranoid, they absolutely don’t want people lending tickets or sharing tickets, they would rather resell tickets for full price and pocket the difference between season ticket rate and full match price
You can contact the club and tell them you are passing your ticket on and they will send an email ticket to the person you’re passing it on to with no money changing hands. You only need to say that you are giving it (not selling it)
Of course, with the waiting list they may start to limit the number of times you can do this.
You have to call - and as they are still "working at home due to covid" it takes an age to get through.
Shoudl be simple to do online... same for upgrading tickets - which you used to be able to do online - but they've shut that little glitch in the website now. And you can only do it 5 times per season apparently.
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You can do it online by emailing ticketsalesAF@avfc.co.uk
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When I bought my ticket for tonight, I selected the option to add it to my Season Card.
I'm not sure if it will also automatically appear in my Apple Wallet (I opted in to that last week - see above).
At the moment, there's no sign of anything Villa related in the Wallet.
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When I bought my ticket for tonight, I selected the option to add it to my Season Card.
I'm not sure if it will also automatically appear in my Apple Wallet (I opted in to that last week - see above).
At the moment, there's no sign of anything Villa related in the Wallet.
I’m going to be intrigued to see if it lets me in tonight. I’ve downloaded my Season Ticket to my AppleWallet and when purchasing my ticket for tonight chose the Upload to Card option so let’s see if it works. I’ll take my physical card as well to have as back up.
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Yep, I'll have the physical card and a print out of the email
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I didn't know you could add your ST to your apple wallet. Does that stop the card from working or can you use either? And how do you do it?
I noticed on the tickets section on the website, there's an option to 'forward' individual game tickets. What does this do?
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I received an email invite to add my card to the wallet. Clicked the link and the ticket was added for the Newcastle game.
However, after the game, the ST dropped from the wallet
Not sure if it stops the card working
EDIT - Just had a Twitter DM from AVFC support confirming that my ticket for tonight will be available via both the physical card and digital wallet
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Thats pretty good. I wouldn't mind the tickets on my phone as back up just in case I forget my card one week.
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Leeds are introducing a new policy where they won't invite ST holders to renew if they don't come to 80% of matches or more;
https://theathletic.com/5308268/2024/03/01/leeds-season-tickets-elland-road/ (https://theathletic.com/5308268/2024/03/01/leeds-season-tickets-elland-road/)
"United consistently register sell-outs at home and have a season-ticket waiting list in excess of 20,000 for their 36,000-capacity stadium."
"Despite the overwhelming demand for tickets, season-ticket holders not attending matches at Elland Road is still a problem as it detracts from our legendary atmosphere that is vital to the teams’ performance..."
"Season-ticket holders must attend 80 per cent of the home league games at Elland Road or they will not be invited to renew for the following season."
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Leeds are introducing a new policy where they won't invite ST holders to renew if they don't come to 80% of matches or more;
I think Arsenal are doing something similar.
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In PL they’ll lose tickets if don’t go to 4 games a season then…plenty can’t do evenings or Sundays or Christmas period or have holidays or get stuck in traffic…pretty OTT.
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I'm assuming they have a ticket resale or trade scheme, like we do. Maybe if you make your ticket available when you can't go it takes it off the calculation? If they want to make sure the seats don't remain empty, that would help encourage returns.
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Brentford do it too.
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I’m not sure why this is such an issue if fans can pass tickets back to clubs for re-sale. They allow TV to dictate kick off times for millions of pounds per game and should be more tolerant of fans who find personal arrangements clash. One day maybe, supply will outstrip demand.
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Just give the ticket to a mate and bollocks to the resale, job done.
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Just give the ticket to a mate and bollocks to the resale, job done.
This.
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What a load of shite. What about a spell of illness for you or a dependent? Holidays, last minute fixture changes, work commitments, transport issues, religious holidays, weddings, christenings, anniversaries, funerals, birthdays, or perhaps you're an older person who might miss a few games due to the fucking freezing fucking temperatures?
I know it won't affect that many people in the grand scheme of things but I just hate the contempt in which fans are held these days, "if you don't we'll punish you"
Fuck off.
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Is it just because people who don't attend can't buy beer and pies? because that stuff about atmosphere is hogwash.
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Leeds are introducing a new policy where they won't invite ST holders to renew if they don't come to 80% of matches or more;
https://theathletic.com/5308268/2024/03/01/leeds-season-tickets-elland-road/ (https://theathletic.com/5308268/2024/03/01/leeds-season-tickets-elland-road/)
"United consistently register sell-outs at home and have a season-ticket waiting list in excess of 20,000 for their 36,000-capacity stadium."
"Despite the overwhelming demand for tickets, season-ticket holders not attending matches at Elland Road is still a problem as it detracts from our legendary atmosphere that is vital to the teams’ performance..."
"Season-ticket holders must attend 80 per cent of the home league games at Elland Road or they will not be invited to renew for the following season."
My dad has had to re-sell his season ticket seat for most of this season due to being unable to attend due to cancer and I have sold mine for quite a few games to watch games with him on TV. I am already expecting renewal issues because our seats are in a "prime position" to be turned into padded or corporate seats but if this happened too, I will be absolutely spitting blood having had those exact seats since 2011 and being season ticket holders for years before that.
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Now having actually read the article, it says "Individual matches will count towards the 80 per cent cut-off if holders attend in person, use the club’s ticket-forwarding scheme to allow friends of family to take their seat or put their ticket up for resale via Leeds’ ticket exchange." so I'm spitting less blood now and maybe I should have read it before posting.
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Now having actually read the article, it says "Individual matches will count towards the 80 per cent cut-off if holders attend in person, use the club’s ticket-forwarding scheme to allow friends of family to take their seat or put their ticket up for resale via Leeds’ ticket exchange." so I'm spitting less blood now and maybe I should have read it before posting.
Of that ticket forwarding thing for friends and family sounds a good idea.
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Sorry to hear about you dad, dalians umbrella. I wish you all the best for the future.
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Sorry to hear about you dad, dalians umbrella. I wish you all the best for the future.
Thanks Olaftab - much appreciated.
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So sorry mate, I went through the same with my Dad a few years ago.
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So sorry mate, I went through the same with my Dad a few years ago.
Thank you and sorry to hear you had to go through it too.
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Just give the ticket to a mate and bollocks to the resale, job done.
100%
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All the best to you and your dad mate, tell him the H&V massive is rooting for him.
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All the best to you and your dad mate, tell him the H&V massive is rooting for him.
Thank you I will!
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Just give the ticket to a mate and bollocks to the resale, job done.
100%
I’ve never considered the resale option. It always goes to a friend or a friend of a friend.
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Just had email from AVFC about downloading my digital season ticket to apple wallet, an attempt by Heck to stop those who cannot attend some matches giving their ticket to mates?
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Just had email from AVFC about downloading my digital season ticket to apple wallet, an attempt by Heck to stop those who cannot attend some matches giving their ticket to mates?
yes you have to sell back to Heck at discounted price an let him cream another 20% off
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Just had email from AVFC about downloading my digital season ticket to apple wallet, an attempt by Heck to stop those who cannot attend some matches giving their ticket to mates?
I've had the same. While I'm all for new tech in general, my phone is over six years old and the battery seems to be less robust than before. So it's a no from me.
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Just had email from AVFC about downloading my digital season ticket to apple wallet, an attempt by Heck to stop those who cannot attend some matches giving their ticket to mates?
I've had the same. While I'm all for new tech in general, my phone is over six years old and the battery seems to be less robust than before. So it's a no from me.
I’ll download it as back up to my actual card, in case I lose it or leave it at home, but to be fair, regardless of battery life, I do usually have plenty of battery left at the point in the day when I’m going into Villa Park.
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It’s telling my 5 year old to upload it to his phone.
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Facial recognition will be coming to a turnstile by you.
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Facial recognition will be coming to a turnstile by you.
With or without beard and eye patch???
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So Im being dense, and having just turned 50, I think I’m entitled to a degree of technophobia.
I have a digital id, which mine and both my kids fan ids are attached to. Im presuming that Ill only be allowed to attach my own digital season ticket to my digital id and not there’s?
Its Friday, after another 50 odd hour week at work, Im drinking beer next to my woodburner, and I just do not have the will to work this out for myself
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Spurs are are phasing out the OAP discount from next season on season tickets and match tickets
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Spurs are are phasing out the OAP discount from next season on season tickets and match tickets
As is the Arse.
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When do we think they'll announce the prices?
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It was April last year.
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If we do qualify for Champions League next season beware!!
Knowing Villa they will justify another huge season ticket price hike because of qualification. Sadly, having had a season ticket, all through the bad times as well, another huge hike will probably see me having to give it up, as I’m sure it will for many other loyal supporters, or customers, as the Club would prefer to call us.
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With all comparisons of turnover v big 6 plus spurs and toon and how far behind we are, I’m expecting ST at least 10% increase plus the extra 2500 seats they’re talking about
We’re just never going to compete otherwise
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The Supporters Trust are saying they have a meeting with Club on 26 March to discuss ticket pricing
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The Supporters Trust are saying they have a meeting with Club on 26 March to discuss ticket pricing
And I’m sure much ‘discussing’ will be done. :-X
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The Club will already know how much the increases are going to be so, doubt much discussion with fan group, other than a bit of lip service.
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It’ll be what it’ll be, but I’m expecting a double digit percentage increase.
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Was told last night by someone who works at the club in the finance department it is going to be 20% increase
My comment was is that if we get in the Champions league? they did not reply!!!
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Was told last night by someone who works at the club in the finance department it is going to be 20% increase
My comment was is that if we get in the Champions league? they did not reply!!!
Twenty percent!? My calculator doesn't even go that high.
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Was told last night by someone who works at the club in the finance department it is going to be 20% increase
My comment was is that if we get in the Champions league? they did not reply!!!
Drip Drip. So when it's "only" 12% we're all grateful.
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See Liverpool fans protesting about a 2% increase for their season tickets!!
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wasn't our announcement due last week ?
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Heck's going to announce it on the pitch at half-time!
Seriously though, if Liverpool are protesting about a 2% increase, would we make any fuss over 10%, 15% or even 20%?
Arsenal and Spurs have announced 5% or so, I suppose our rise will be seen as "catching up".
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I was telling a bloke at work that me and the kids are around 37,000th on the waiting list. (We were at 29,000 but had to drop to the bottom this season to add a newly-interested 13 year old). The bloke I was talking to has joined since and he’s about 45,000th.
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Surprised they haven't started charging £100 just to be on the list. Yet......
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I'm concerned about membership...
Habing spoken to a bloke who supports Newcastle, he's a member (having had to give up his season ticket a couple of years ago) and doesn't even get preference on tickets, but instead goes into a ballot and doesn't often get through.
I can imagine that's what the Villa will do next.
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The club are certainly not doing a great job with regards to tickets. It sounds like we have more on the waiting list than actually attend matches. So, the big question is, why do we not sell out our matches??
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The club are certainly not doing a great job with regards to tickets. It sounds like we have more on the waiting list than actually attend matches. So, the big question is, why do we not sell out our matches??
Isn't that down to tickets being held back for TV/LG, no take up and then being made available at very late notice?
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The club are certainly not doing a great job with regards to tickets. It sounds like we have more on the waiting list than actually attend matches. So, the big question is, why do we not sell out our matches??
Isn't that down to tickets being held back for TV/LG, no take up and then being made available at very late notice?
I think that summarises it quite nicely.
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Agree with you both…it’s a really shocking way for the club to behave. There are people wanting tickets but, yet they don’t put up tickets for re-sale!!
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The ST waiting list is a bit of a myth. It has tonnes of duplicates on it and also has quite a number who live abroad. So realistically are they going to purchase even if given a sniff?
The rumoured figure of true list is approx 12k
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Liverpool only have 27k season tickets, I read. That’s quite a low proportion but then they get to make more money of day-trippers, tourists etc.
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The club are certainly not doing a great job with regards to tickets. It sounds like we have more on the waiting list than actually attend matches. So, the big question is, why do we not sell out our matches??
Isn't that down to tickets being held back for TV/LG, no take up and then being made available at very late notice?
I think that summarises it quite nicely.
There are 2 TV seats next to me in the UH and they have been sold for every game, and to Villa fans apart from the Newton Heath game. I guessed they were interlopers but the one next to me was a ringer for, and the same size as the Beast off of The Chase so at that point I decided to live and let live...
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When is the ST announcement ?
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I know, they're leaving the 'early bird' window a bit late.
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When is the ST announcement ?
No idea
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Club may be waiting to see if we get past Lille so they can raise our expectations and their prices!!
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Club may be waiting to see if we get past Lille so they can raise our expectations and their prices!!
Yeah all about timing and picking the right moment to land the news .
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Just read that Forest have announced a 24% increase in their season tickets for next season
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Just read that Forest have announced a 24% increase in their season tickets for next season
Ill be assuming thats on the assumption they stay up. Putting it up that much in championship seems abig ridiculous
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Just read that Forest have announced a 24% increase in their season tickets for next season
JFC. Their fans are fuming.
(https://i.ibb.co/tMtdzzt/image.png) (https://ibb.co/tMtdzzt)
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Anyone else being blocked from reselling their ST on the website ?
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Just read that Forest have announced a 24% increase in their season tickets for next season
JFC. Their fans are fuming.
(https://i.ibb.co/tMtdzzt/image.png) (https://ibb.co/tMtdzzt)
Ludicrous timing, a few days before they pay Everton in one the biggest games they’ve played in this league for decades they choose to annoy their own fans
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Anyone else being blocked from reselling their ST on the website ?
What do you mean? The option is still there under my account, but don't want to click it.
Or do you mean they are not actually putting them up for resale because they seem to have changed policy and wont resell when LG / TV are still available?
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Anyone else being blocked from reselling their ST on the website ?
What do you mean? The option is still there under my account, but don't want to click it.
Or do you mean they are not actually putting them up for resale because they seem to have changed policy and wont resell when LG / TV are still available?
Might be my system settings when i click to list ticket it blocks me saying their system thinks i'm a Bot
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Anyone else being blocked from reselling their ST on the website ?
What do you mean? The option is still there under my account, but don't want to click it.
Or do you mean they are not actually putting them up for resale because they seem to have changed policy and wont resell when LG / TV are still available?
Might be my system settings when i click to list ticket it blocks me saying their system thinks i'm a Bot
OK, sorry can't help with that one.
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Anyone else being blocked from reselling their ST on the website ?
What do you mean? The option is still there under my account, but don't want to click it.
Or do you mean they are not actually putting them up for resale because they seem to have changed policy and wont resell when LG / TV are still available?
Might be my system settings when i click to list ticket it blocks me saying their system thinks i'm a Bot
To be fair, we had similar concerns for a while. ;)
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Just read that Forest have announced a 24% increase in their season tickets for next season
JFC. Their fans are fuming.
(https://i.ibb.co/tMtdzzt/image.png) (https://ibb.co/tMtdzzt)
A quarter rise is outrageous!! I really hope we dont follow suit
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Just read that Forest have announced a 24% increase in their season tickets for next season
JFC. Their fans are fuming.
(https://i.ibb.co/tMtdzzt/image.png) (https://ibb.co/tMtdzzt)
A quarter rise is outrageous!! I really hope we dont follow suit
Still not bad though compared to other premier league teams
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Just read that Forest have announced a 24% increase in their season tickets for next season
JFC. Their fans are fuming.
(https://i.ibb.co/tMtdzzt/image.png) (https://ibb.co/tMtdzzt)
A quarter rise is outrageous!! I really hope we dont follow suit
Still not bad though compared to other premier league teams
They might not be a Premier League team for long though.
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Still cheaper than ours in every category (runs and hides)
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At the end of last month, the Daily Mail published an article about season tickets. where they say clubs would like to get rid of them and sell tickets at full price each week, for which you would pay a membership fee in advance for the privilege of being considered for a ticket.
I did originally post the full text but as it's behind a pay-wall, I then got slightly paranoid and deleted it.
Here is a link instead:
https://archive.ph/fsOSD
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Is there any update on ST prices ? Cynic says they are waiting for confirmation of Champions League qualification before deciding on % hikes and landing the news . Brace yourselves .
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Is there any update on ST prices ? Cynic says they are waiting for confirmation of Champions League qualification before deciding on % hikes and landing the news . Brace yourselves .
I've got myself so wound up that my seat will be taken off me and turned into a half-way line experience package that I'll probably just pay anything, sadly, if the option to renew is there.
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Is there any update on ST prices ? Cynic says they are waiting for confirmation of Champions League qualification before deciding on % hikes and landing the news . Brace yourselves .
I've got myself so wound up that my seat will be taken off me and turned into a half-way line experience package that I'll probably just pay anything, sadly, if the option to renew is there.
Are you on the Witton side ?
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Is there any update on ST prices ? Cynic says they are waiting for confirmation of Champions League qualification before deciding on % hikes and landing the news . Brace yourselves .
I've got myself so wound up that my seat will be taken off me and turned into a half-way line experience package that I'll probably just pay anything, sadly, if the option to renew is there.
You are Chris Heck and I claim my £5 reward
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Is there any update on ST prices ? Cynic says they are waiting for confirmation of Champions League qualification before deciding on % hikes and landing the news . Brace yourselves .
I've got myself so wound up that my seat will be taken off me and turned into a half-way line experience package that I'll probably just pay anything, sadly, if the option to renew is there.
Are you on the Witton side ?
Yes. Upper Witton on the halfway line. I'm clinging onto the hope that not being able to go to the toilet at half-time will prohibit a premium experience.
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Is there any update on ST prices ? Cynic says they are waiting for confirmation of Champions League qualification before deciding on % hikes and landing the news . Brace yourselves .
I've got myself so wound up that my seat will be taken off me and turned into a half-way line experience package that I'll probably just pay anything, sadly, if the option to renew is there.
You are Chris Heck and I claim my £5 reward
The reward is only available to those with a full-season Lower Grounds booking history, c*** sucker! *
* For the avoidance of doubt, a Chris Heck joke and not an insult of another poster.