Season Tickets

[chrisw1]

Imagine if they had organised decent catering and the ability to buy a drink look at the money they are failing to collect every match day.
But lets nail another Cazoo billboard to the Trinity, its like the Harry Hill Beds Beds Beds sketch.

This is what frustrates me.  They manage to make something that should be so simple into something so hard.  To the point where the only answer is to charge people £500 extra a season for a bar where they can actually buy a drink.

Even without spending millions on new technology here's an idea, just double the staff and double the beer pumps.  Have people walking round the concourse with beer dispensers on their back.  How much would that cost?  And for the love of God do the same in the upper Witton too. 

[chrisw1]

It's a shame for anybody being forced to move, but you know, disabled fans deserve decent facilities and the ability to watch the game too.

Absolutely, that's not the point though
Those supporters in L4 that are being moved , many who have been there for years should be looked after. The way they have gone about it is disgusting and shows they do not care AT ALL

You don't know what they're going to be offered as an alternative, so maybe pipe down until you do.

They're going to be offered their pick of the available seating in the Holte (or elsewhere).  Which won't be prime seats in big blocks next to all their mates, that's for sure.  It's hard to get two seats together in the Holte let alone a bunch.

I agree we should have excellent disabled facilities, I'm just surprised there isn't a better solution than relocating 100 long term ST holders to house 8 spaces.  Couldn't they make use of the corners etc?

[FrankyH]

I think everyone would hope for more and better disabled spaces for our fellow supporters . From what I’ve read and heard the biggest issue from the supporters being moved is the total lack of communication from the club. Supporters only finding out when they went to renew. It would have been such a simple thing for the club to communicate before . I’m not saying that would pacify everyone, but it would have been a start.

[Nii Lamptey]

It's always been this way. We used to be sat on the back row of Witton Lane looking pretty much down the centre line of the pitch. The year after they finished the Trinity Road stand, Villa decided they wanted that stand to form the backdrop of matches on the telly (rather than the shitty Witton Lane as it used to be), so they evicted us for the Sky cameras.

I'm now seated in the middle of the Upper Trinity, but whenever Villa are on telly, it's pretty much from the viewpoint of my old seat.

[Drummond]

It's a shame for anybody being forced to move, but you know, disabled fans deserve decent facilities and the ability to watch the game too.

Absolutely, that's not the point though
Those supporters in L4 that are being moved , many who have been there for years should be looked after. The way they have gone about it is disgusting and shows they do not care AT ALL

You don't know what they're going to be offered as an alternative, so maybe pipe down until you do.

They're going to be offered their pick of the available seating in the Holte (or elsewhere).  Which won't be prime seats in big blocks next to all their mates, that's for sure.  It's hard to get two seats together in the Holte let alone a bunch.

I agree we should have excellent disabled facilities, I'm just surprised there isn't a better solution than relocating 100 long term ST holders to house 8 spaces.  Couldn't they make use of the corners etc?

I'm sure it's not how you meant it, but sticking disabled fans in the corner isn't exactly equality or respectful.

[Drummond]

A simple letter to those being moved, explaining what and why and next steps and options, would have been simple and straightforward to do.

[chrisw1]

It's a shame for anybody being forced to move, but you know, disabled fans deserve decent facilities and the ability to watch the game too.

Absolutely, that's not the point though
Those supporters in L4 that are being moved , many who have been there for years should be looked after. The way they have gone about it is disgusting and shows they do not care AT ALL

You don't know what they're going to be offered as an alternative, so maybe pipe down until you do.

They're going to be offered their pick of the available seating in the Holte (or elsewhere).  Which won't be prime seats in big blocks next to all their mates, that's for sure.  It's hard to get two seats together in the Holte let alone a bunch.

I agree we should have excellent disabled facilities, I'm just surprised there isn't a better solution than relocating 100 long term ST holders to house 8 spaces.  Couldn't they make use of the corners etc?

I'm sure it's not how you meant it, but sticking disabled fans in the corner isn't exactly equality or respectful.

I know what you mean but I was thinking in a sensible manner, maybe using the space of one of the corporate boxes between the Holte and the Trinity, or below the screen (or move the screen) - there's seating below and either side so still be well in the atmosphere and action - that sort of thing. not an afterthought at ground floor level.  I'm sure all options were considered, although I suspect they've taken the cheapest.

[chrisw1]

wrong thread

[Sister of Top Cat]

I'm sure it's not how you meant it, but sticking disabled fans in the corner isn't exactly equality or respectful.

As someone waiting for a wheelchair space, that's a much politer response than I was about to post!

[Dogtanian]

I've seen a few people comment about it being wrong for the owner's to expect us to pay more for the success of the team, when they could easily cough up a few more hundred million as it's little to them.

While I don't disagree with this at all, a real issue is FFP actively prevents them from doing this. FFP forces clubs to milk as much as they can from their overly loyal fanbases because it limits how much the billionaires can put in themselves.

Our last set of accounts shows about £16m from gate receipts for the 2020/21 season. With this seasons and next season's price increases, that could jump up to £20m. Add in extra revenue from more games if we hit Europe and have cup runs, another half a million+ if they max out this terrace idea, and another £7m or so once they get the capacity up to 52k... It's cash that we can spend on the pitch.

You can't get success without spending, but FFP says you can't spend unless you're already a success. The only way to eek out more unfortunately is to milk the hardworking fans to gain a slight edge and hope it helps.

[sirlordbaltimore]

You can't get success without spending, but FFP says you can't spend unless you're already a success. The only way to eek out more unfortunately is to milk the hardworking fans to gain a slight edge and hope it helps.

Not sure that's strictly true tbf

Leicester spring to mind, won two trophies we've come nowhere near winning in decades with a smaller stadium, less income and less spend

I just really can't see how earning an extra 2-3m a season from kicking your loyal supporters in the nuts is going to transform our fortunes on the pitch

[pauliewalnuts]

Leicester spring to mind, won two trophies we've come nowhere near winning in decades with a smaller stadium, less income and less spend

How many times does a Leicester win the league, though?

It was an incredible achievement but a one off rather than an example that can really be used to indicate proof it's possible to do it on less money.

Also bit harsh given to say we've come nowhere near winning the FA Cup of late, we've been in the final way more recently than most top flight clubs.

[Dogtanian]

You can't get success without spending, but FFP says you can't spend unless you're already a success. The only way to eek out more unfortunately is to milk the hardworking fans to gain a slight edge and hope it helps.

Not sure that's strictly true tbf

Leicester spring to mind, won two trophies we've come nowhere near winning in decades with a smaller stadium, less income and less spend

I just really can't see how earning an extra 2-3m a season from kicking your loyal supporters in the nuts is going to transform our fortunes on the pitch

Leicester did fantastically well, you're right. But that was the perfect storm that season, it's never happened before in the Premier League or since. And their success after came from the increase in revenue they got from winning the league, subsequent european campaigns, and a fantastic run of shrewd transfers that panned out brilliantly.

If you look at Leicester now, you'll find a club returning back to what their income generally gets you. They don't have a massive net spend in transfers and the squad they assembled is pretty much out of contract by next summer.

[rob_bridge]

You can't get success without spending, but FFP says you can't spend unless you're already a success. The only way to eek out more unfortunately is to milk the hardworking fans to gain a slight edge and hope it helps.

Not sure that's strictly true tbf

Leicester spring to mind, won two trophies we've come nowhere near winning in decades with a smaller stadium, less income and less spend

I just really can't see how earning an extra 2-3m a season from kicking your loyal supporters in the nuts is going to transform our fortunes on the pitch

Leicester did fantastically well, you're right. But that was the perfect storm that season, it's never happened before in the Premier League or since. And their success after came from the increase in revenue they got from winning the league, subsequent european campaigns, and a fantastic run of shrewd transfers that panned out brilliantly.

If you look at Leicester now, you'll find a club returning back to what their income generally gets you. They don't have a massive net spend in transfers and the squad they assembled is pretty much out of contract by next summer.

Missing out on 2019/20 and 2020/21 (bonus of FA Cup) on CL qualification done them financially.

[chrisw1]

I'm sure it's not how you meant it, but sticking disabled fans in the corner isn't exactly equality or respectful.

As someone waiting for a wheelchair space, that's a much politer response than I was about to post!

I've responded above.  I'm not talking about leaving people in a fire corridor like a scene from The Office.  I'm saying I'm surprised a good solution couldn't be found without displacing 100 season ticket holders.  ie creating space - whether by an extension to existing seating terrace or corporate facilities.  I'd have thought the space at the junction of the Holte and Trinity could have been used for example fitting in with the existing seating.  I appreciate it is always not as simple as that due to access etc, but we're talking about a billion pound business here.