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Offline Pat McMahon

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Re: UEFA Europa Conference League - Alkmaar, Legia and Zrinjski
« Reply #4440 on: September 23, 2023, 09:29:59 AM »
Just landed at Gatwick. Should be home by 4 AM. Four if us travelled and apart from the after match nightmare we had a great trip. Flew back from Krakow today and spent time in the lovely old town. Did talk to a youngish Villa fan from Newcastle at Krakow  airport who like us walked to the game. He said he got pinned against a wall by some of the Legia fans passing the home end but luckily the police came to his rescue very quickly. That's the only account if any bother we heard of. Hopefully he had a safe trip home.

Was that Aidan, a lad with the Irish flag? We were with him on Wednesday.

I was with Brits who live in Warsaw near the halfway line so we were sat at a bar near the ground 10 -15 minutes after the final whistle. It did seem like a crazy amount of policing and also very heavy handed in keeping people in for so long. Everyone I met was decent, including bar staff in the centre and old town, but Iíve heard of a couple of isolated incidents. At breakfast today, the bloke who runs Kingswinford Lions said his son had his hat nicked near the ground - they went in a taxi and were followed by a small mob looking for trophies - and one of the Sutton Coldfield club blokes was knocked over by a big bugger on Wednesday night. Some scrapes but nothing major.

Most of the Poles have been brilliant. Friendly and fun, and keen to know what we think of Poland. Itís a fab country based on my week here

Good write up, mate.

That's exactly what I thought of Poland, generally. I suspect a lot has changed since 2008, but everywhere I went, people were decent, hospitable and most had links to England with family living or working there.

Only when I crossed over into Belarus or Ukraine did I encounter the occasional bellend who wanted to fight, argue about politics etc etc. Things I have absolutely no interest in or much knowledge of.

And the women in all three above mentioned countries were often stunning. I was walking around Minsk with my eyes popping out 😂

A running joke out here among Villa fans has been the prospect of getting nicked by one of the numerous gorgeous police women :)

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Re: UEFA Europa Conference League - Alkmaar, Legia and Zrinjski
« Reply #4441 on: September 23, 2023, 09:33:52 AM »
There was a bit of trouble according to my mateís message on WhatsApp:

Warsaw Poland last night🤷🏿‍♂️lads my age in  hotel got landed on by Polish ultras . Went off 💥👊🏿 beaten up, followed em . They had Villa tops on 🤦🏼‍♂️ they are ok but bruised and shook up . Group of 12 attacked them. That would never have happened with CCREW, furthermore I always know my surroundings🤷🏿‍♂️ this is why 100% chartered flight will be sorted for Bosnia 🇧🇦 those  Genghis Khan  ****** will come riding in on horse back with long swords.

Was that in the old town Percy? Some lads last night were saying a massive bloke was in one bar and walking around with a Stanley knife, popping the blade up and down, trying to bait or intimidate people.

There are some very big blokes out here. Some fellows we know who did the stadium tour said there is a Legia fight club opposite the stadium!

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Re: UEFA Europa Conference League - Alkmaar, Legia and Zrinjski
« Reply #4442 on: September 23, 2023, 09:52:10 AM »
There was a bit of trouble according to my mateís message on WhatsApp:

Warsaw Poland last night🤷🏿‍♂️lads my age in  hotel got landed on by Polish ultras . Went off 💥👊🏿 beaten up, followed em . They had Villa tops on 🤦🏼‍♂️ they are ok but bruised and shook up . Group of 12 attacked them. That would never have happened with CCREW, furthermore I always know my surroundings🤷🏿‍♂️ this is why 100% chartered flight will be sorted for Bosnia 🇧🇦 those  Genghis Khan  ****** will come riding in on horse back with long swords.

Was that in the old town Percy? Some lads last night were saying a massive bloke was in one bar and walking around with a Stanley knife, popping the blade up and down, trying to bait or intimidate people.

There are some very big blokes out here. Some fellows we know who did the stadium tour said there is a Legia fight club opposite the stadium!

He sounds like the complete opposite of those policewomen!

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Re: UEFA Europa Conference League - Alkmaar, Legia and Zrinjski
« Reply #4443 on: September 23, 2023, 09:52:53 AM »
Two wrongs don't make a right.

I hope all fans are treated well at Villa Park.

Apart from Bluenoses and Birmingham reds, of course! 😂


Brummie Reds, who individually have no link to Manchester, I have no time for. Except maybe those who are genuine enough to at least attend some games outside of the Midlands. Cockney Reds ditto. Just can't stand those who put a badge on and don't even make any attempt to follow the team properly beyond the odd showpiece. At least with Bluenoses you know they are going to be genuine

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Re: UEFA Europa Conference League - Alkmaar, Legia and Zrinjski
« Reply #4444 on: September 23, 2023, 09:57:52 AM »
There was a bit of trouble according to my mateís message on WhatsApp:

Warsaw Poland last night🤷🏿‍♂️lads my age in  hotel got landed on by Polish ultras . Went off 💥👊🏿 beaten up, followed em . They had Villa tops on 🤦🏼‍♂️ they are ok but bruised and shook up . Group of 12 attacked them. That would never have happened with CCREW, furthermore I always know my surroundings🤷🏿‍♂️ this is why 100% chartered flight will be sorted for Bosnia 🇧🇦 those  Genghis Khan  ****** will come riding in on horse back with long swords.

Was that in the old town Percy? Some lads last night were saying a massive bloke was in one bar and walking around with a Stanley knife, popping the blade up and down, trying to bait or intimidate people.

There are some very big blokes out here. Some fellows we know who did the stadium tour said there is a Legia fight club opposite the stadium!

He sounds like the complete opposite of those policewomen!

This is a tactic I first saw at the Japan/S Korea W/C in '02. Line the barriers with young female PCs. It's a clever diffusion tactic, in presenting a front that the fuckwits cannot in their own minds credibly rail against
« Last Edit: September 23, 2023, 10:01:34 AM by Martyn Smith »

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Re: UEFA Europa Conference League - Alkmaar, Legia and Zrinjski
« Reply #4445 on: September 23, 2023, 10:16:12 AM »
I must say I found the whole experience other than the match quite uplifting. Had some concerns about Warsaw since reading a report on refugees being targeted there last year but walked about 8 miles on Thursday all around old town and Praga side from about lunch time to well past midnight and never ever felt unsafe at any stage. Met and spoke to nice young lads Legia fans in the WarSwa bar with the legendary poster Pat McMahon (Paul). Other than the 90+90 minutes of crap at the stadium I have no complaints.

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Re: UEFA Europa Conference League - Alkmaar, Legia and Zrinjski
« Reply #4446 on: September 23, 2023, 10:39:43 AM »
3 days Iíd deport each and everyone of them that turns up at villa park.  Ps big👍 to our stewards who turned up and assisted despite having to deal with brain dead poles

Why deport?

The Polish have been marvellous in all the places I have been. The Villa fans I have encountered all have enjoyed their stay.
Indeed. A totally bizarre comment above.

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Re: UEFA Europa Conference League - Alkmaar, Legia and Zrinjski
« Reply #4447 on: September 23, 2023, 10:59:45 AM »
3 days Iíd deport each and everyone of them that turns up at villa park.  Ps big👍 to our stewards who turned up and assisted despite having to deal with brain dead poles

Why deport?

The Polish have been marvellous in all the places I have been. The Villa fans I have encountered all have enjoyed their stay.
Indeed. A totally bizarre comment above.

Bizarre being very polite for utter fucking nonsense.

You're right about Warsaw by the way, mate. A great city. If I ever move back to Europe it's a toss up between Poland, Italy and Portugal.

Not England because I'd be looking over my shoulder all the time fearing deportation 😂
« Last Edit: September 23, 2023, 11:02:30 AM by Axl Rose »

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Re: UEFA Europa Conference League - Alkmaar, Legia and Zrinjski
« Reply #4448 on: September 23, 2023, 11:01:16 AM »
from Polish right wing ultras to hedge fund managers and solicitors of the West End. What a crazy few days

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Re: UEFA Europa Conference League - Alkmaar, Legia and Zrinjski
« Reply #4449 on: September 23, 2023, 11:43:03 PM »
There was a bit of trouble according to my mateís message on WhatsApp:

Warsaw Poland last night🤷🏿‍♂️lads my age in  hotel got landed on by Polish ultras . Went off 💥👊🏿 beaten up, followed em . They had Villa tops on 🤦🏼‍♂️ they are ok but bruised and shook up . Group of 12 attacked them. That would never have happened with CCREW, furthermore I always know my surroundings🤷🏿‍♂️ this is why 100% chartered flight will be sorted for Bosnia 🇧🇦 those  Genghis Khan  ****** will come riding in on horse back with long swords.

Was that in the old town Percy? Some lads last night were saying a massive bloke was in one bar and walking around with a Stanley knife, popping the blade up and down, trying to bait or intimidate people.

There are some very big blokes out here. Some fellows we know who did the stadium tour said there is a Legia fight club opposite the stadium!

That was the whole message that pertained to the match Pat.

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Re: UEFA Europa Conference League - Alkmaar, Legia and Zrinjski
« Reply #4450 on: September 24, 2023, 07:32:23 AM »
Have to say we loved our time over there - I had my lad with me and never felt bothered once. Warsaw is a beautiful place and we would definitely like to see more of the whole country.

We found a cracking bar (Da Gusta) just a few minutes from the stadium on the Wednesday which no one else seemed to find. After exploring the city on Thursday, we headed back there a few hours before KO. We clocked a couple of lads dressed in black who were having a good look at us before stopping and getting their phones out, so we moved on not long afterwards - We left a lad who had been sat on his own and caught up with him in the ground where he said about 30 lads had turned up (all in black!) and he'd made a quick and quiet exit!

Our hotel was a five minute walk from the ground which included an underpass (complete with Legia graffiti) with the busy road network overhead. We were heading that way after the game to collect our bags and get back to the station. At the last minute, one of our number reckoned it might be better to get all our stuff into lockers at the station as the buses that were being laid on would be heading in that general direction.

What a move that was. As our bus was being escorted out, we saw around 100 Ultras (all in white!) waiting there, surrounded by Police and vans. We did hear of one guy who was stabbed in the arm but his watch had saved him from any serious injury - that was by the other side of the ground where there was a huge congregation of people (all in black!). We'd walked through them earlier but no one had any Villa colours on.

The Legia fans we spoke to were great. All friendly and wanted to make clear they had two sets of "Ultras" - One that just wanted to make noise at the game, the other which would be looking for trouble.

We met some great people and loved it. The walk down by the river (towards the National Stadium), in 25 degree sunshine, is something I won't forget.







« Last Edit: September 24, 2023, 07:35:05 AM by CT »

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« Reply #4451 on: September 24, 2023, 05:31:30 PM »
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/legia-warsaw-supporter-dies-after-27768893.amp

Just saw this story about a Legia fan who fell from a bridge and died after leaving the game against us. Not sure how close it happened to the stadium, but perhaps the reason for the extended shut in for Villa fans?

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« Reply #4452 on: September 24, 2023, 07:19:25 PM »
Met a few Villa fans last night. One used to sell H&V but not a messageboard person. Very pleasant bloke. TallÖ50ish, been to see Villa in USA and Australia.

I think he was called SteveÖbut I was a little drunk at the time.

Sounds like Steve Whitehouse.

Could well be.

Iíve just met another H&Ver Liam. Itís brilliant being here.


Great to meet you as well and for the information you provided before the game, my son and I had a great 3 days and got back midday yesterday, we experienced no problems, i actually found the policing quite re-assuring until after the game, but even then if there was a risk of a villa fan getting into trouble due to certain Legia Fans hanging around, i'd rather be safe than sorry. The few legia fans we met were great, and the passport control guy at the airport was proudly wearing his Legia badge on his lanyard, clocked i was Villa and asked if we have a good time. Great weather, great company, too much beer and and amazing atmosphere at the ground, and a crazy first 45 mins. Loved it!

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« Reply #4453 on: September 25, 2023, 07:24:43 PM »
Just a reminder that Dutch Fans and Police can be just as bad.

This was what the home fans did BECAUSE they were losing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/66914632

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« Reply #4454 on: September 26, 2023, 06:26:23 AM »
There's an element of Dutch fans that is particularly cuntish.

In European games, the currently preferred MO seems to be an attack on the family/VIP stand. Which, even by hooligan standards, seems beyond the pale. AZ did it against West Ham, Twente against Hammarby and I remember hearing of at least one or two more over the last year or so though I cannot now remember the clubs involved.

 


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