Post by: Smirker on March 04, 2023, 05:43:00 PM
This is now possible.
Next game is West Ham away.
Let's go 8)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 04, 2023, 05:44:57 PM
We're five points of 6th.
This is now possible.
Next game is West Ham away.
Let's go 8)
You had me right until the end.
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 04, 2023, 05:53:49 PM
We need to win 5 more games (with a draw) and get to 50 points and see how the land lies then and how many games are left.
Our away form is very good under UE and we have likes of Forest and Bournemouth left at VP so that should be very realistic.
To have a serious chance of top 6 we need to be beating Newcastle and Spurs at VP aswell.
I actually think looking at all the fixtures Brighton will get 4th so that will be pretty refreshing for the league and not like they'll stay up there given they'll continue to sell key players in next few seasons.
Post by: Legion on March 04, 2023, 05:58:45 PM
Post by: curiousorange on March 04, 2023, 06:02:30 PM
We're five points of 6th.
This is now possible.
Next game is West Ham away.
Let's go 8)
You had me right until the end.
If we beat Spam, then I really will start to believe we'll finish 11th.
Post by: Villan82 on March 04, 2023, 06:05:00 PM
Kamara injury will stop any talk of this when his replacement can't make basic 5 yard passes. Hopefully Dendoncker is fit for next week.
We need to win 5 more games (with a draw) and get to 50 points and see how the land lies then and how many games are left.
Our away form is very good under UE and we have likes of Forest and Bournemouth left at VP so that should be very realistic.
To have a serious chance of top 6 we need to be beating Newcastle and Spurs at VP aswell.
I actually think looking at all the fixtures Brighton will get 4th so that will be pretty refreshing for the league and not like they'll stay up there given they'll continue to sell key players in next few seasons.
That's the spirit.
Post by: Smirker on March 04, 2023, 06:05:01 PM
We're five points of 6th.
This is now possible.
Next game is West Ham away.
Let's go 8)
You had me right until the end.
We're due a win vs them.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 04, 2023, 06:06:05 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on March 04, 2023, 06:19:56 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 04, 2023, 06:24:39 PM
Post by: Steve67 on March 04, 2023, 06:57:16 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 04, 2023, 06:58:30 PM
We are getting ahead of ourselves, again. We need to knock off the negative goal difference and make sure we beat Fulham, Brentford in the games ahead. Our squad still isn't quite good enough to get to Europe yet, unless the FA Cup is won by a top four side and this means an extra place?
It may not be, but we should have a proper fucking go at it!
Post by: Steve67 on March 04, 2023, 07:01:31 PM
We are getting ahead of ourselves, again. We need to knock off the negative goal difference and make sure we beat Fulham, Brentford in the games ahead. Our squad still isn't quite good enough to get to Europe yet, unless the FA Cup is won by a top four side and this means an extra place?
It may not be, but we should have a proper fucking go at it!
Absolutely. I don't deny that at all. We need a bit of luck with injuries and to keep winning. Going ok so far but I don't think we are quite good enough.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on March 04, 2023, 07:54:58 PM
Post by: Smirker on March 04, 2023, 07:56:07 PM
Not possible. You probably need 60 points to make 6th. That means we need 2 points per game for the rest of the season. As it's 3 for a win and 1 for a draw it cannot happen.
haha
Post by: IFWaters on March 04, 2023, 08:02:51 PM
West Ham - a
Bournemouth - h
Chelsea - a
Leicester - a
Forest - h
Newcastle - h
Brentford - a
Fulham - h
Man Utd - a
Wolves - a
Spurs - h
Liverpool - a
Brighton - h
Post by: algy on March 04, 2023, 08:11:14 PM
To have a decent chance of getting 6th and uefa I think we would need 60 points, 13 games left so 2 points a game average. Put another way 8 wins and a couple of draws from :Win 8, draw 2, lose 3. It'll be difficult, but possible
West Ham - a
Bournemouth - h
Chelsea - a
Leicester - a
Forest - h
Newcastle - h
Brentford - a
Fulham - h
Man Utd - a
Wolves - a
Spurs - h
Liverpool - a
Brighton - h
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 04, 2023, 08:13:50 PM
To have a decent chance of getting 6th and uefa I think we would need 60 points, 13 games left so 2 points a game average. Put another way 8 wins and a couple of draws from :
West Ham - a. WIN
Bournemouth - h WIN
Chelsea - a DRAW
Leicester - a DRAW
Forest - h WIN
Newcastle - h DRAW
Brentford - a LOSE
Fulham - h WIN
Man Utd - a LOSE
Wolves - a DRAW
Spurs - h WIN
Liverpool - a LOSE
Brighton - h WIN
22 points and just short.
Post by: j66acd on March 04, 2023, 08:26:15 PM
To have a decent chance of getting 6th and uefa I think we would need 60 points, 13 games left so 2 points a game average. Put another way 8 wins and a couple of draws from :Win 8, draw 2, lose 3. It'll be difficult, but possible
West Ham - a
Bournemouth - h
Chelsea - a
Leicester - a
Forest - h
Newcastle - h
Brentford - a
Fulham - h
Man Utd - a
Wolves - a
Spurs - h
Liverpool - a
Brighton - h
That’s pretty much our form since Emery come in
Post by: Smirker on March 04, 2023, 08:30:21 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 04, 2023, 08:31:47 PM
To have a decent chance of getting 6th and uefa I think we would need 60 points, 13 games left so 2 points a game average. Put another way 8 wins and a couple of draws from :Win 8, draw 2, lose 3. It'll be difficult, but possible
West Ham - a
Bournemouth - h
Chelsea - a
Leicester - a
Forest - h
Newcastle - h
Brentford - a
Fulham - h
Man Utd - a
Wolves - a
Spurs - h
Liverpool - a
Brighton - h
The only ones in that list that would raise an eyebrow if we got something are Man Utd and Liverpool. Nothing to fear from the others.
Post by: brontebilly on March 04, 2023, 10:06:03 PM
Post by: IFWaters on March 04, 2023, 10:18:06 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 04, 2023, 10:38:40 PM
He is that important to us, so I don’t think it’s unreasonable to suggest that without him we wilds struggle to replace his influence on the team.Kamara injury will stop any talk of this when his replacement can't make basic 5 yard passes. Hopefully Dendoncker is fit for next week.
We need to win 5 more games (with a draw) and get to 50 points and see how the land lies then and how many games are left.
Our away form is very good under UE and we have likes of Forest and Bournemouth left at VP so that should be very realistic.
To have a serious chance of top 6 we need to be beating Newcastle and Spurs at VP aswell.
I actually think looking at all the fixtures Brighton will get 4th so that will be pretty refreshing for the league and not like they'll stay up there given they'll continue to sell key players in next few seasons.
That's the spirit.
Post by: Chris Smith on March 04, 2023, 11:22:47 PM
Post by: garyfouroaks on March 04, 2023, 11:25:45 PM
I hope not. I think having to deal with the grind of Thursday nights playing in Ruritania will impact our chances of pushing on in the league. We need another year of Emery to have the squad to cope with it.i disagree.
I will never forgive, or forget, MON's euro campaign surrender.
It is a compeition we could win- we should treat it accordingly
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 04, 2023, 11:28:39 PM
Post by: eamonn on March 04, 2023, 11:39:25 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2023, 11:42:55 PM
What's the lowest final league position you might still get a European place this season?
7th I believe. 5th and 6th are Europa. 7th is Conference. That can be fucked though by someone outside of those top league spots winning the FA Cup.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 04, 2023, 11:45:17 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 05, 2023, 12:30:40 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 05, 2023, 01:51:13 AM
Top 6 won't happen. 7th could, which could be Conference if a top 6 side wins the FA Cup.
Come on the Manchesters!
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 05, 2023, 09:46:59 AM
Post by: Clampy on March 05, 2023, 10:07:07 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 05, 2023, 11:10:55 AM
Talk about going next level but that would be firstly against less illustrious names and lowly teams around Europe till the later stages.
Europa Conference League.
The competition is primarily contested by teams from lower-ranked UEFA member associations.
No teams qualify directly to the group stage, with 10 teams eliminated in the Europa League play-offs and the rest coming from the Europa Conference League qualifiers.
The winners of the competition are awarded a position in the Europa League the following season
(unless they qualify for the Champions League)
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 05, 2023, 11:17:03 AM
You are discredited just by being in it.
Post by: Dave on March 05, 2023, 11:21:07 AM
The Europa Conference is the equivalent of the Leland Daf Freight Rover Trophy.
You are discredited just by being in it.
Yeah, you looks far better by being too shit to qualify for it.
Post by: eamonn on March 05, 2023, 11:25:20 AM
I'd happily accept similar. We could finally stop banging-on about our Peace Cup win in 2007 and be able to bully Blosers fully once more.
Post by: Ian. on March 05, 2023, 11:26:49 AM
This season I feel like we have been capped at 11th, it seems as if we’re stuck!
Post by: eamonn on March 05, 2023, 11:27:36 AM
Top 6 won't happen. 7th could, which could be Conference if a top 6 side wins the FA Cup.
Come on the Manchesters!
No way. Brighton for top six and to win the Cup please (or less likely, but still possible - Fulham). They're two of the few objectionable clubs in the league.
Post by: john e on March 05, 2023, 12:07:09 PM
Top half finish for the first time in a decade would be a good season and something achievable
We’re not good enough for a Europe spot yet
our defence is a bottle job, as soon as we take a lead they and other players totally lose their ability to do basic things and their heads start wobbling all over the place, it’s comical if it wasn’t so frustrating
also without Kamara which is a blow
stand ins like Dendonker and Chambers instantly weaken the team as soon as they come on, so I fear we’re not going to make a European push on that basis
hope I’m wrong but let’s face it that’s a very rare thing as everyone knows
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 05, 2023, 01:10:26 PM
Post by: IFWaters on March 05, 2023, 01:11:22 PM
Post by: john e on March 05, 2023, 01:45:34 PM
The sou'wester restaurant that opened to serve you suggests otherwise :P
😂
Post by: Ads on March 05, 2023, 02:00:21 PM
The Europa Conference is the equivalent of the Leland Daf Freight Rover Trophy.
You are discredited just by being in it.
Yeah, you looks far better by being too shit to qualify for it.
It's a trophy to win, its European football, its exprience for perhaps more prestigious competitions and its the chance for us as supporters to back us abroad again for the first time in 13 years. I see no downsides.
Post by: Pete3206 on March 05, 2023, 02:03:46 PM
The Europa Conference is the equivalent of the Leland Daf Freight Rover Trophy.
You are discredited just by being in it.
I don't think Roma would agree with that. I think it would be great progress for us to qualify for this.
Post by: john e on March 05, 2023, 02:19:23 PM
Post by: IFWaters on March 05, 2023, 02:27:35 PM
Post by: Richard E on March 05, 2023, 02:28:47 PM
Post by: Risso on March 05, 2023, 02:30:35 PM
What place in the league does the europa conference go down to ?
My understanding is the Premier League gets 4 places in the Champions League for the top 4 places, then the 5th placed team gets the Europa League. The FA Cup winners get a second Europa League Spot, and the League Cup winners get a place in the Europa Conference.
If both cup winners have qualified for Europe through their league placings, then their place in Europe goes to the next highest ranked teams who haven't qualified, so 6th or 7th, basically.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 05, 2023, 02:33:51 PM
Post by: Risso on March 05, 2023, 02:34:39 PM
Post by: john e on March 05, 2023, 02:35:01 PM
well I might be enjoying the taste of my old sou’wester then if we manage a 7th position
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 05, 2023, 02:43:26 PM
Post by: IFWaters on March 05, 2023, 02:49:51 PM
Post by: Smirker on March 05, 2023, 02:52:27 PM
Its been too long.
Conference League winners, 2023/24 8)
Post by: Risso on March 05, 2023, 02:53:20 PM
Assuming Man Utd finish top 5, then any of the other top 6 winning the FAC means it goes to 7th. The only way it gets complicated is if teams win European competitions and don't automatically qualify for them through league position.
I think that only becomes a problem if say Chelsea won the Champions League AND either Man U or Arsenal won the Europa League and didn't qualify for Europe in any other way. Man U already have, and Arsenal are going to through a league place at least.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 05, 2023, 03:03:53 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 05, 2023, 03:08:37 PM
Math say we can.
So can't ruley anything out just yet!
Post by: IFWaters on March 05, 2023, 03:18:17 PM
Post by: eamonn on March 05, 2023, 04:37:18 PM
Post by: algy on March 05, 2023, 04:37:56 PM
The Europa Conference is the equivalent of the Leland Daf Freight Rover Trophy.I'd rather be in that than not in Europe at all. If nothing else, it gives us chance to have players like Archer, Iroegbunam, Ramsay A, etc in the squad because between a few league subs appearances, starting in cups, and games in that they'll get enough matches that it's worth keeping them around. And then they're getting the opportunity to show that they deserve a bit more than that.
You are discredited just by being in it.
Always rather us win cups than not, regardless of how well respected they are.
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 05, 2023, 05:08:36 PM
Whilst I expect we will strengthen we will have no where near to squad to have an impact in Europe and domestically.
Post by: algy on March 05, 2023, 06:10:58 PM
I would rather we focus n the domestic cups, more prestige, less disruption.Are we not allowed to do both, though?
Whilst I expect we will strengthen we will have no where near to squad to have an impact in Europe and domestically.
Honestly, personally I'd rather we be playing in this Mickey Mouse European Cup thing than not, even if that means playing the U21s in every game (not that I think we should do that - just that playing the U21s is far more preferable than not playing in it).
Post by: Dave P on March 05, 2023, 06:30:51 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 05, 2023, 08:00:24 PM
I would rather we focus n the domestic cups, more prestige, less disruption.
Whilst I expect we will strengthen we will have no where near to squad to have an impact in Europe and domestically.
I don’t get this. Let’s have a crack at all of them.
Post by: Chris Smith on March 05, 2023, 08:09:40 PM
I would rather we focus n the domestic cups, more prestige, less disruption.
Whilst I expect we will strengthen we will have no where near to squad to have an impact in Europe and domestically.
I don’t get this. Let’s have a crack at all of them.
Then the manager needs to manage his squad and this place goes into meltdown when he does and we lose the game which is what is potentially happening currently to West Ham.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 05, 2023, 08:20:17 PM
Post by: AV82EC on March 05, 2023, 08:21:08 PM
I would rather we focus n the domestic cups, more prestige, less disruption.
Whilst I expect we will strengthen we will have no where near to squad to have an impact in Europe and domestically.
I don’t get this. Let’s have a crack at all of them.
Then the manager needs to manage his squad and this place goes into meltdown when he does and we lose the game which is what is potentially happening currently to West Ham.
I’d say the Hammers woes this season are nothing to do with their European exploits but rather their crap transfer window last summer and that David Moyes is their manager. The southern kit stealing wankers.
And yes we should be entering European competition by whatever means possible. A half recent PL squad should easily
Be getting to the qtr/semi of that competition.
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 05, 2023, 08:22:36 PM
Exactly Chris.I would rather we focus n the domestic cups, more prestige, less disruption.
Whilst I expect we will strengthen we will have no where near to squad to have an impact in Europe and domestically.
I don’t get this. Let’s have a crack at all of them.
Then the manager needs to manage his squad and this place goes into meltdown when he does and we lose the game which is what is potentially happening currently to West Ham.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 05, 2023, 08:27:08 PM
If we end up 7th we'll have had a great end to the season. I do understand people saying it would be a challenge next season dealing with extra games but surely it's better to have a goal, achieve it and deal with the consequences than just pootle along with some vague promise of things improving at some indeterminate point in the future.
Exactly. It's like saying that winning the lottery would be nice, but then you'd have to hire a load of accountants and financial advisers and all that bollocks, which sounds like a lot of hassle. Best off staying skint, at least you know how to deal with that.
Post by: Drummond on March 05, 2023, 08:32:07 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 05, 2023, 08:35:38 PM
Being in Europe means more money, which meansbetter FFP criteria and more and better players. Which means improvement.and it can mean exhausting the squad, being distracted from the original objective and ending up pretty much where you started.
Post by: john e on March 05, 2023, 08:36:18 PM
I mean i know it would be frustrating playing the likes of Olsen etc which would piss me right off as it does in the domestic cups but I’d still love it
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 05, 2023, 08:46:17 PM
Being in Europe means more money, which meansbetter FFP criteria and more and better players. Which means improvement.and it can mean exhausting the squad, being distracted from the original objective and ending up pretty much where you started.
John: Paul and I have written a new one. Have a listen and let us know what you think.
Ringo: You and Paul are going to be knackered staying up all night writing songs. Let's just play Good Golly Miss Molly again. We've got a cushy number here at the Cavern, we don't want to risk it all just for global and permanent adulation. If it all goes wrong we'll be back at the Cavern.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 05, 2023, 08:47:15 PM
Post by: Dave on March 05, 2023, 08:51:18 PM
With a bit of luck we'll never qualify for Europe again so as the squad doesn't get a bit tired. No cup runs either because again, more games = tired ikkle players. European games and cups wins are beneath the likes of Aston Villa.
Maybe just sit out the league games too until UEFA post us our invitation to play in the Champions League final?
We're probably a bit too much of a big deal to bother playing the matches to qualify for it.
Post by: rob_bridge on March 05, 2023, 09:01:24 PM
I just don’t get anyone saying they wouldn’t want conference European football
I mean i know it would be frustrating playing the likes of Olsen etc which would piss me right off as it does in the domestic cups but I’d still love it
Villa Park like, to be fair, most English stadia/grounds come a alive on midweek games under the lights. No idea why - maybe because more old school fans or more varied opponents
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 05, 2023, 09:10:56 PM
Being in Europe means more money, which meansbetter FFP criteria and more and better players. Which means improvement.and it can mean exhausting the squad, being distracted from the original objective and ending up pretty much where you started.
What's the original objective?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on March 05, 2023, 09:23:25 PM
Being in Europe means more money, which meansbetter FFP criteria and more and better players. Which means improvement.and it can mean exhausting the squad, being distracted from the original objective and ending up pretty much where you started.
What's the original objective?
To keep occupied during the winter outside of the cricket season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 05, 2023, 09:24:51 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on March 05, 2023, 09:26:30 PM
Ajax comes to mind and in fairness, Rapid Vienna made a racket both times.
Too young for our European games in the 80s.
Post by: olaftab on March 05, 2023, 09:59:13 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on March 05, 2023, 10:22:30 PM
Love European games. Playing teams amd players you don't know much about. Some cracking atmospheres at games.
Ajax comes to mind and in fairness, Rapid Vienna made a racket both times.
Too young for our European games in the 80s.
Don't want Rapid Vienna fans here again. Best European fans to come to Villa I reckon were Athletico Bilbao.
Trabzonspor (or was it Besiktas ?) fans made a right noise when they were here.
Post by: paul_e on March 05, 2023, 10:22:43 PM
We all want more depth in the squad and more games is the best way to achieve that.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 05, 2023, 10:43:25 PM
Being in Europe means more money, which meansbetter FFP criteria and more and better players. Which means improvement.and it can mean exhausting the squad, being distracted from the original objective and ending up pretty much where you started.
John: Paul and I have written a new one. Have a listen and let us know what you think.
Ringo: You and Paul are going to be knackered staying up all night writing songs. Let's just play Good Golly Miss Molly again. We've got a cushy number here at the Cavern, we don't want to risk it all just for global and permanent adulation. If it all goes wrong we'll be back at the Cavern.
West Ham losing 4-0 a point from the relegation zone and 16th in the Prem table.
They have European games on Thursdays and their Europa Conference league participation has come at a cost to them in the league form consistency this season it seems.
Post by: paul_e on March 05, 2023, 11:14:23 PM
Being in Europe means more money, which meansbetter FFP criteria and more and better players. Which means improvement.and it can mean exhausting the squad, being distracted from the original objective and ending up pretty much where you started.
John: Paul and I have written a new one. Have a listen and let us know what you think.
Ringo: You and Paul are going to be knackered staying up all night writing songs. Let's just play Good Golly Miss Molly again. We've got a cushy number here at the Cavern, we don't want to risk it all just for global and permanent adulation. If it all goes wrong we'll be back at the Cavern.
West Ham losing 4-0 a point from the relegation zone and 16th in the Prem table.
They have European games on Thursdays and their Europa Conference league participation has come at a cost to them in the league form consistency this season it seems.
I think that's too simple an excuse for why they're down where they are. West Ham have struggled mostly because they've been utterly reliant on Antonio for the last 3-4 seasons and he hasn't been able to be that player for them this year. Scamacca has failed to step up so they have no focal point and can't get Bowen, Benrahma, etc on the ball in good areas.
Soucek getting found out a bit hasn't helped them either, when he was using his size to burst into the box and add goals it created space but teams have worked out how to handle that now and he's been poor this season. You could see that starting to happen towards the end of last season as well though so again I don't think it's due to the amount of games he's playing.
Post by: eamonn on March 05, 2023, 11:45:47 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 06, 2023, 02:53:14 AM
Being in Europe means more money, which meansbetter FFP criteria and more and better players. Which means improvement.and it can mean exhausting the squad, being distracted from the original objective and ending up pretty much where you started.
John: Paul and I have written a new one. Have a listen and let us know what you think.
Ringo: You and Paul are going to be knackered staying up all night writing songs. Let's just play Good Golly Miss Molly again. We've got a cushy number here at the Cavern, we don't want to risk it all just for global and permanent adulation. If it all goes wrong we'll be back at the Cavern.
West Ham losing 4-0 a point from the relegation zone and 16th in the Prem table.
They have European games on Thursdays and their Europa Conference league participation has come at a cost to them in the league form consistency this season it seems.
I think that's too simple an excuse for why they're down where they are. West Ham have struggled mostly because they've been utterly reliant on Antonio for the last 3-4 seasons and he hasn't been able to be that player for them this year. Scamacca has failed to step up so they have no focal point and can't get Bowen, Benrahma, etc on the ball in good areas.
Soucek getting found out a bit hasn't helped them either, when he was using his size to burst into the box and add goals it created space but teams have worked out how to handle that now and he's been poor this season. You could see that starting to happen towards the end of last season as well though so again I don't think it's due to the amount of games he's playing.
And they were in Europe last year and did well enough in the league to...qualify for Europe.
Post by: Clampy on March 06, 2023, 07:34:27 AM
Post by: AV82EC on March 06, 2023, 07:39:32 AM
I haven't seen anyone on here saying they don't want European football. Just one or two (me included) who thinks next season might be a a bit too soon.
It’s never too soon.
Post by: Monty on March 06, 2023, 07:39:53 AM
Post by: LeeB on March 06, 2023, 08:09:06 AM
I for one thought we voted to leave.
Exactly, and I look forward to us qualifying for the English Super Cup in the future
Post by: lovejoy on March 06, 2023, 08:19:30 AM
Post by: Risso on March 06, 2023, 09:04:48 AM
I think it is a bit too soon for Europe given the lack of depth for our squad.
We’re supposed to be sorting this in the summer.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 06, 2023, 10:12:36 AM
I think it is a bit too soon for Europe given the lack of depth for our squad.
We’re supposed to be sorting this in the summer.
If we are to make the Leyland Daf European equivalent then no better a stage to blood the likes of Archer, Iroegbunam, Bidace and other peripheral players into first team football. It might be a hindrance competition but it can be a benefit too. If the squad grows with more quality then some pruning will certainly need to be done.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 06, 2023, 10:16:50 AM
I think it is a bit too soon for Europe given the lack of depth for our squad.
We’re supposed to be sorting this in the summer.
Indeed.
I don't get it. Compare the wailing when we bailed out of the cups half-arsedly with the seeming lowering of the ambition bar already re competing in Europe. It sounds like pre-emptively making excuses for mediocrity to me.
It's a loop of failure:
don't strengthen in January = "we'll get the players in the summer" / "we only want the best" / "we'll 'be fine till the end of the season" (whatever 'fine' means)
playing in Europe next year = "we won't have the squad to compete on so many fronts" / "it'll be too soon for us" / "we'll struggle like West Ham did"
It really is always next year / next window with Villa and it has been for years now, with the difference that now the fans are making the excuses rather than the club.
Post by: Rigadon on March 06, 2023, 10:29:30 AM
Post by: Risso on March 06, 2023, 10:55:26 AM
Indeed.
I don't get it. Compare the wailing when we bailed out of the cups half-arsedly with the seeming lowering of the ambition bar already re competing in Europe. It sounds like pre-emptively making excuses for mediocrity to me.
It's a loop of failure:
don't strengthen in January = "we'll get the players in the summer" / "we only want the best" / "we'll 'be fine till the end of the season" (whatever 'fine' means)
playing in Europe next year = "we won't have the squad to compete on so many fronts" / "it'll be too soon for us" / "we'll struggle like West Ham did"
It really is always next year / next window with Villa and it has been for years now, with the difference that now the fans are making the excuses rather than the club.
Exactly. Let's just paddle about in 11th, anything else is getting ideas above our station.
Post by: Drummond on March 06, 2023, 11:03:48 AM
Post by: London Villan on March 06, 2023, 11:05:13 AM
Look at Newcastle - basket case for years, but in 12 months they are likely to secure a European spot - West Ham, total opposite, Europe to relegation candidates in a season.
If there is a slim chance you have to go all out to qualify, in the same way we should be aiming to win both domestic cup competitions.
Post by: Drummond on March 06, 2023, 11:08:01 AM
Football is about the here and now - you have to take the chances when they come, as you never know what might change to prevent the opportunity ever happening again.
Look at Newcastle - basket case for years, but in 12 months they are likely to secure a European spot - West Ham, total opposite, Europe to relegation candidates in a season.
If there is a slim chance you have to go all out to qualify, in the same way we should be aiming to win both domestic cup competitions.
I don't think Newcastle are going to make Europe.
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 06, 2023, 11:09:59 AM
If we did make it into the Europa Cheerios Wonder League or whatever the fuck they're calling it these days, we'd have a whole summer to strengthen accordingly.
And if you want to attract the sort of players we do, any kind of European participation is a big bonus.
Post by: London Villan on March 06, 2023, 11:12:39 AM
Look at Newcastle - basket case for years, but in 12 months they are likely to secure a European spot - West Ham, total opposite, Europe to relegation candidates in a season.
If there is a slim chance you have to go all out to qualify, in the same way we should be aiming to win both domestic cup competitions.
Football is about the here and now - you have to take the chances when they come, as you never know what might change to prevent the opportunity ever happening again.
Look at Newcastle - basket case for years, but in 12 months they are likely to secure a European spot - West Ham, total opposite, Europe to relegation candidates in a season.
If there is a slim chance you have to go all out to qualify, in the same way we should be aiming to win both domestic cup competitions.
I don't think Newcastle are going to make Europe.
True, they seem to be following a similar trajectory to what we had in the lockdown season.
Post by: LeeB on March 06, 2023, 11:14:17 AM
How can qualifying for European competition ever come "too soon"? I really don't get that.
If we did make it into the Europa Cheerios Wonder League or whatever the fuck they're calling it these days, we'd have a whole summer to strengthen accordingly.
And if you want to attract the sort of players we do, any kind of European participation is a big bonus.
And in our context it would be proof of progress and underline the ambitions we're touting to recruit better players
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 06, 2023, 11:17:28 AM
Post by: OCD on March 06, 2023, 11:25:07 AM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on March 06, 2023, 11:34:37 AM
I for one thought we voted to leave.
Exactly, and I look forward to us qualifying for the English Super Cup in the future
With a bye through to the 3rd round of the Farage Mogg Cup.
Post by: Chris Smith on March 06, 2023, 11:58:14 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 06, 2023, 01:39:37 PM
Post by: eamonn on March 06, 2023, 03:46:25 PM
I’ve rad all of the above arguments but I’m still not convinced. It’s more than likely a moot point anyway as I can’t see enough clubs faltering for us to be the beneficiaries.
Convince me! Convince me!
Sing me a record
That cries pure and true.
No not those guitars
They're too noisy and crude.
The kind that convinces, refuses to leave
There's no need to turn it up.
If it's pure I'll feel it from here
Let's make this precious, I think we probably will
*
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 06, 2023, 03:50:52 PM
It's never too soon to be in Europe. If we'd won a domestic cup this season then we'd be in Europe, and it sure as hell isn't too soon to finally win something again. It's not like you suddenly find yourself in Europe with no warning, you have months to prepare your squad for it.
Precisely - it’s completely within your gift as a club to be prepared. If you balls it up then that’s on you, but why on earth wouldn’t you want us to be in Europe?!
Post by: LeeB on March 06, 2023, 03:58:33 PM
It's never too soon to be in Europe. If we'd won a domestic cup this season then we'd be in Europe, and it sure as hell isn't too soon to finally win something again. It's not like you suddenly find yourself in Europe with no warning, you have months to prepare your squad for it.
Precisely - it’s completely within your gift as a club to be prepared. If you balls it up then that’s on you, but why on earth wouldn’t you want us to be in Europe?!
Well the food is a bit funny. And they sleep during the day too, what's that all about? I quite like the footwash in the bathroom and I don't mind a week in Benidorm, but any longer than that and I'd go mad.
Post by: john e on March 06, 2023, 04:04:46 PM
It's never too soon to be in Europe. If we'd won a domestic cup this season then we'd be in Europe, and it sure as hell isn't too soon to finally win something again. It's not like you suddenly find yourself in Europe with no warning, you have months to prepare your squad for it.
Precisely - it’s completely within your gift as a club to be prepared. If you balls it up then that’s on you, but why on earth wouldn’t you want us to be in Europe?!
Well the food is a bit funny. And they sleep during the day too, what's that all about? I quite like the footwash in the bathroom and I don't mind a week in Benidorm, but any longer than that and I'd go mad.
and BE lives over that foreign way
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 06, 2023, 04:09:53 PM
It's never too soon to be in Europe. If we'd won a domestic cup this season then we'd be in Europe, and it sure as hell isn't too soon to finally win something again. It's not like you suddenly find yourself in Europe with no warning, you have months to prepare your squad for it.
Precisely - it’s completely within your gift as a club to be prepared. If you balls it up then that’s on you, but why on earth wouldn’t you want us to be in Europe?!
Well the food is a bit funny. And they sleep during the day too, what's that all about? I quite like the footwash in the bathroom and I don't mind a week in Benidorm, but any longer than that and I'd go mad.
The food is muck, they're all cruel to animals, the drains stink and they have absolutely no idea how to make a cup of tea.
Post by: eamonn on March 06, 2023, 04:25:57 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on March 06, 2023, 05:33:08 PM
Post by: IFWaters on March 06, 2023, 07:29:01 PM
Post by: wince on March 07, 2023, 03:45:48 PM
However, the 'too soon' argument for pushing this year could be over cautious. Get into Europe we would have to strengthen and the transfer window looks a lot more promising than if we do not qualify. I am not saying we will get into a position to get into Europe this year but we should finish in the top half. We then need to get our transfer targets and make an all out effort in all contests. Dont qualify, or we are satisfied with safety, it could harm getting in the key players we need to strengthen and also turn the heads of those we want to retain.
There should also be no question of prioritising the league at the cost of cups. We should not even be entertaining the idea of January window is our window. It cant be forever delayed as we have the resources to be regularly knocking at the door of the top teams, not allowing Newcastle and their blood money to rise to the top or being overtaken by Fulham or Brighton and Brentford. Go out, get good cup runs, try and get some silverware and stop being content with survival.
Put bluntly its time to put our money where our mouth is and get back into regular European football. If there is a slim chance this year, lets go for it! Not saying we will win the Champions League but we have talked a good talk about where we want to be as a club, now it is time to aim high.
I was called out in the pre match for Wet Spam for being negative and rightly so. Years of just surviving or feeling the wheels will come off needs to stop. And it will piss everyone else off on the way as well!
Post by: Dave on March 07, 2023, 04:04:26 PM
Would need better squad depth but I am reminded of Manic Street Preachers best of album, Forever Delayed in how it always seems to be the next window or the next season or the project needs more time.
Definitely feels like we should be progressing a bit Faster.
Post by: wince on March 07, 2023, 04:15:53 PM
Post by: Clampy on March 07, 2023, 04:16:43 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 07, 2023, 04:24:00 PM
Emilano Martinez
Post by: LeeB on March 07, 2023, 04:37:12 PM
Post by: Dave on March 07, 2023, 04:54:32 PM
It needs a big clear out in the summer, everything must go.
Yup, get rid of all the dead wood. Slash and burn.
Post by: Risso on March 07, 2023, 05:05:00 PM
We can start the clearout with any Manic Street Preacher fans
Hear hear. Sadly, we'll have to say goodbye to Richard E, but much as I like him, the greater good is more important.
Post by: wince on March 07, 2023, 05:05:10 PM
Stop! Stop these puns. You're being silly!
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 07, 2023, 05:38:09 PM
Post by: wince on March 07, 2023, 05:58:18 PM
Post by: Risso on March 07, 2023, 07:59:05 PM
Post by: Clampy on March 07, 2023, 08:02:26 PM
Manic Street Preachers puns. This site really has hit rock bottom!
Risso, So Why, So Sad?
Post by: curiousorange on March 07, 2023, 08:08:36 PM
Post by: Richard E on March 07, 2023, 08:13:38 PM
We can start the clearout with any Manic Street Preacher fans
Hear hear. Sadly, we'll have to say goodbye to Richard E, but much as I like him, the greater good is more important.
Can you Repeat that please?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 07, 2023, 08:14:49 PM
Speaking of Europe, I see one of our former strikers is doing well with his innovative new horticultural venture back in Sweden. Allback Flowers that Grow in the Sky.
Edit: I'm waiting for Eamonn to see this before I receive the love this post so richly deserves.
Post by: Richard E on March 07, 2023, 08:16:22 PM
Post by: Richard E on March 07, 2023, 08:28:49 PM
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 07, 2023, 08:34:20 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 07, 2023, 08:37:46 PM
I for one thought we voted to leave.
Exactly, and I look forward to us qualifying for the English Super Cup in the future
With a bye through to the 3rd round of the Farage Mogg Cup.
Better known as the Littlewoods Cup.
Post by: artvandelay on March 07, 2023, 08:39:17 PM
We can start the clearout with any Manic Street Preacher fansYou Love Us really
Post by: Richard E on March 07, 2023, 08:55:15 PM
Nah, I’m stumped on this one. It must be a really obscure bonus track or B side if even I haven’t heard of it.I for one thought we voted to leave.
Exactly, and I look forward to us qualifying for the English Super Cup in the future
With a bye through to the 3rd round of the Farage Mogg Cup.
Better known as the Littlewoods Cup.
Post by: curiousorange on March 07, 2023, 09:03:58 PM
Nah, I’m stumped on this one. It must be a really obscure bonus track or B side if even I haven’t heard of it.I for one thought we voted to leave.
Exactly, and I look forward to us qualifying for the English Super Cup in the future
With a bye through to the 3rd round of the Farage Mogg Cup.
Better known as the Littlewoods Cup.
Little(woods) Baby Nothing
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 07, 2023, 09:07:27 PM
Post by: Dave on March 07, 2023, 09:24:01 PM
Edit: I'm waiting for Eamonn to see this before I receive the love this post so richly deserves.
It was good, but my main take is a raised eyebrow at the reliance on '96-era Manics in your puns, betraying a possible lack of appreciation of the musical richness both before and after the chart successes.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 07, 2023, 09:26:48 PM
Edit: I'm waiting for Eamonn to see this before I receive the love this post so richly deserves.
It was good, but my main take is a raised eyebrow at the reliance on '96-era Manics in your puns, betraying a possible lack of appreciation of the musical richness both before and after the chart successes.
Ah now, I did a Motorcycle Emptiness one. And this thread has made me start listening to Everything Must Go, hence the seeming focus on those songs.
I don't really mind the Manics, but they've never been a favourite of mine. I like this album and the Holy Bible though.
Post by: Richard E on March 07, 2023, 09:29:42 PM
Post by: Dave on March 07, 2023, 09:32:33 PM
Edit: I'm waiting for Eamonn to see this before I receive the love this post so richly deserves.
It was good, but my main take is a raised eyebrow at the reliance on '96-era Manics in your puns, betraying a possible lack of appreciation of the musical richness both before and after the chart successes.
Ah now, I did a Motorcycle Emptiness one. And this thread has made me start listening to Everything Must Go, hence the seeming focus on those songs.
I don't really mind the Manics, but they've never been a favourite of mine. I like this album and the Holy Bible though.
I've just Wiki-ed it, and I managed to not bother listening to any of the seven albums between 2004 and 2018 - but their last album The Ultra Vivid Lament is really, really good. And well worth 45 minutes.
Post by: Richard E on March 07, 2023, 09:35:21 PM
Post by: Dave on March 07, 2023, 09:38:32 PM
Although I lied, I think I did listen to Send Away The Tigers once and didn't bother going back afterwards.
Post by: Risso on March 07, 2023, 09:39:57 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 07, 2023, 09:50:06 PM
I went with my mate (who loved them) to see them at Brum Uni in Feb 1992. I've disliked them ever since, a right bunch of old wank.
I didn't like them at the time, but in retrospect I admire their attitude in the early days. There was lots of really bland, boring music around in Britain at the time and they came along with an agenda to fuck things up. That their ambition outweighed their abilities at the time is endearing to me now.
I got into Suede at that point for similar reasons, the exception being that they had one of the best musicians of his generation on board so they, y'know, sounded better.
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 07, 2023, 09:51:22 PM
Excellent, I was hoping you might tell me which of the seven I should dip into.
Although I lied, I think I did listen to Send Away The Tigers once and didn't bother going back afterwards.
Autumnsong is a great tune.
Post by: Clampy on March 07, 2023, 09:54:23 PM
Journal for Plague Lovers is the best post-Richey album, sort of Holy Bible II
I think they used his lyrics for that album and yes, it's very good.
Post by: wince on March 08, 2023, 08:05:53 AM
Back to Europe eh folks? I’m in enough bother as it is!
Post by: eamonn on March 08, 2023, 09:02:03 AM
I agree that these Manics puns are getting a bit too much.
Speaking of Europe, I see one of our former strikers is doing well with his innovative new horticultural venture back in Sweden. Allback Flowers that Grow in the Sky.
Edit: I'm waiting for Eamonn to see this before I receive the love this post so richly deserves.
The Martínez, Feeny and Allback efforts were all glorious.
As for Villa's future direction, I wish we had our leader and founder Mr McGregor's thoughts on what we should do. Sadly, William's Last Words were not recorded for posterity.
Still, we are in decent shape compared to five years ago. Apparently in Xia's final days of owning and almost killing our club, the "doctor's" lines of credit had been exhausted at each of Natwest-Barclays-Midland-Lloyds.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on March 08, 2023, 02:05:14 PM
Given their very clear identity/affinity with Wales and being Welsh, I always thought that was a bit ironic that he lived this side of the bridge.
A mate of mine lived next door to him and said he was "a decent fella".
Post by: eamonn on March 08, 2023, 02:07:39 PM
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on March 08, 2023, 02:11:28 PM
Sean Moore - less skilful than the Moore brothers but a stronger work ethic which has served him well.That's the one. ;)
Post by: manic-road on March 08, 2023, 02:26:10 PM
Post by: curiousorange on March 08, 2023, 08:52:04 PM
Journal for Plague Lovers is the best post-Richey album, sort of Holy Bible II
I think they used his lyrics for that album and yes, it's very good.
Lifeblood is very underrated, by the band themselves too.
Okay, let's get back to Europa Geht Durch Mich.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 10, 2023, 03:48:34 PM
Post by: Smirker on March 10, 2023, 07:30:26 PM
It should be a priority next season if we don't make it this season.
Unai 8)
Post by: Martyn Smith on March 11, 2023, 09:14:37 PM
The winner of the Europa League qualifies for the Champions League the following season.
We are five points off 7th place.
That is all...
Post by: eamonn on March 11, 2023, 10:33:21 PM
In his pre match Conference for the West Ham match Emery has said qualifying for Europe isn't the priority and he said: "The most important thing is to build a team, a family and a winning mentality."
Does he want more babies?
Post by: gpbarr on March 12, 2023, 12:52:58 AM
In his pre match Conference for the West Ham match Emery has said qualifying for Europe isn't the priority and he said: "The most important thing is to build a team, a family and a winning mentality."
Big time. Get those things right and Europe will come.
Post by: exigo on March 13, 2023, 10:40:16 AM
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2023, 10:51:14 AM
1 in a 1000 chance of Champions League, you say?
(https://i.ibb.co/cvMWjv0/Fr-F2-Kf8-Xw-AE5-JT.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cvMWjv0)
I might be failing to follow the proper line, but doesn't that actually say 1 in 1000 chance of finishing 5th?
Post by: exigo on March 13, 2023, 11:05:11 AM
1 in a 1000 chance of Champions League, you say?I might be failing to follow the proper line, but doesn't that actually say 1 in 1000 chance of finishing 5th?
(https://i.ibb.co/cvMWjv0/Fr-F2-Kf8-Xw-AE5-JT.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cvMWjv0)
You're quite right. More Monday coffee needed.
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2023, 11:20:19 AM
Post by: Smithy on March 13, 2023, 11:34:52 AM
We've got 7 from the first three of those games, so a win against Bournemouth and it's 10 from 12 and definitely game on. Big games agains Brentford, Fulham and Chelsea next month. And I'd fancy us on the last day at home to Brighton if beating them could sneak us above them and into 7th.
It's going to be tough though, you have to imagine Chelsea are going to go on a run at some point and string a few wins together, and Brentford and Brighton are both maintaining good form even if they're not stringing long winning runs together.
My head says 8th is the absolute best we can do, but my heart says we can still sneak 7th and the last European place a with a bit of luck...
Post by: Exeter 77 on March 13, 2023, 12:10:22 PM
Post by: algy on March 13, 2023, 12:42:03 PM
Is there a scenario where the European places would go down to 9th? Maybe if Manchester United won the Europa League and finished outside the top 4 and Brighton won the FA Cup and finished between 5th and 8th. I can't quite remember how it works.No, the lowest league position where your can possibly qualify via the league is 8th, and then only if another English team wins the Champions League or Europa League *and* finishes 5th-7th, *and* the FA Cup and League Cup are both won by teams in that top 7
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2023, 12:44:16 PM
Is there a scenario where the European places would go down to 9th? Maybe if Manchester United won the Europa League and finished outside the top 4 and Brighton won the FA Cup and finished between 5th and 8th. I can't quite remember how it works.No, the lowest league position where your can possibly qualify via the league is 8th, and then only if another English team wins the Champions League or Europa League *and* finishes 5th-7th, *and* the FA Cup and League Cup are both won by teams in that top 7
I think that's right. England gets a maximum of 5 Champions League places (so top 4 and the team finishing outside the top 4 if they win the Europa League), two Europa League and 1 Conference place.
Post by: algy on March 13, 2023, 12:55:05 PM
Well, I'd gone off what it said on the Premier League website. Thinking about it since, there is one (highly specific, undocumented, and quite unlikely) way that you might get down to 9th.Is there a scenario where the European places would go down to 9th? Maybe if Manchester United won the Europa League and finished outside the top 4 and Brighton won the FA Cup and finished between 5th and 8th. I can't quite remember how it works.No, the lowest league position where your can possibly qualify via the league is 8th, and then only if another English team wins the Champions League or Europa League *and* finishes 5th-7th, *and* the FA Cup and League Cup are both won by teams in that top 7
I think that's right. England gets a maximum of 5 Champions League places (so top 4 and the team finishing outside the top 4 if they win the Europa League), two Europa League and 1 Conference place.
If you had a situation where:
- The FA Cup & League cup are both won by teams in the top 6 and
- The team who wins the UEFA Cup or the Champions League finishes 5th-7th (i.e. doesn't qualify for the CL via the league) and
- The team who finishes 8th also wins the UEFA Conference League thing and doesn't win the FA Cup (i.e. doesn't qualify for either the Champions League or UEFA Cup via the league)
Then possibly the team who finishes 9th might qualify for the UEFA Conference League. It's not documented anywhere I can find out what happens in that specific scenario, but if the same rules are applied to the UEFA Conference as are to the Europa League then in that very specific situation, the Conference place would go down to 9th.
It wouldn't if the Conference League winners finished anywhere other than 8th* in that scenario, and there's no advantage to English clubs winning the Europa League and the Champions League because, as Risso said, it's limited to a maximum of 5 places so that'd just mean the side who ended up 4th would play in the Europa League.
* slight really odd clause - it is possible for them to finish 7th provided that the team who finishes 8th is the one that wins the UEFA Cup or Champions League. Basically, they have to qualify for the Conference League via the League (or League Cup) *and* win the Conference League in the same season. It's no good them qualifying for the Europa League or Champions League - the extra place would disappear. Likewise with the extra Champions League place - it's only available if the side doesn't qualify for the Champions League already.
Post by: eamonn on March 13, 2023, 01:34:22 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on March 13, 2023, 01:58:10 PM
Post by: AV82EC on March 13, 2023, 02:49:55 PM
Post by: Baldy on March 13, 2023, 04:21:32 PM
However, keep our best players and add two or three more quality players and next season looks very promising.
During the summer, the big boys will be flying around Brighton, Fulham and Brentford and will skin them to the bone.
Post by: algy on March 13, 2023, 09:29:05 PM
Do words float around you Algy, like Sherlock?Hehe, well I had a bit of a quiet morning & that’s rarely a good thing for my rather overactive imagination :p
Post by: Dick Edwards on March 14, 2023, 12:41:02 PM
Do words float around you Algy, like Sherlock?
Ha!Ha! Brilliant ;D
Post by: Smirker on March 18, 2023, 04:52:22 PM
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Post by: colin69 on March 18, 2023, 08:13:06 PM
Post by: eamonn on March 18, 2023, 08:26:43 PM
It’s on, but I think we’ll just fall short this season. Next season though it’s on.
Next season the frickin' title is on !
Post by: colin69 on March 18, 2023, 08:29:04 PM
It’s on, but I think we’ll just fall short this season. Next season though it’s on.
Next season the frickin' title is on !
Well stranger things have happened. (Leicester).
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 18, 2023, 08:41:28 PM
Post by: London Villan on March 18, 2023, 08:58:36 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 18, 2023, 09:09:58 PM
Makes the lesta game even more frustrating.
Yes but we have grown as a group because of it. He didn’t change the philosophy that contributed to those goals. Just improved on what we were learning to do. Stevenage, Leicester, late on vs Arsenal are all moments we will use as stepping stones and coaching moments on our journey.
Post by: paul_e on March 18, 2023, 09:19:58 PM
Makes the lesta game even more frustrating.
Yes but we have grown as a group because of it. He didn’t change the philosophy that contributed to those goals. Just improved on what we were learning to do. Stevenage, Leicester, late on vs Arsenal are all moments we will use as stepping stones and coaching moments on our journey.
I agree, as horrible as it was I think the Leicester game in particular was an important lesson. What was frustrating is that the next 2 were the last teams you'd want to play after a performance like that, which led to us losing a bit of ground before we could get back on track.
Post by: Baldy on March 19, 2023, 09:48:25 AM
2023 -2024 season will see the 'Changing of the Guard' and the co called 'Big 6' dissipate. Villa and Newcastle in particular are best placed to rattle that cage.
Will not be surprised if we don't make Europe this year but will be disappointed if we don't succeed next season.
In Unai we trust. Happy days :)
Post by: Flin5tone on March 19, 2023, 09:54:46 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 19, 2023, 10:18:01 AM
I think we shouldn't get carried away, we're in the bottom half still? The top 6 will end up being the usual teams. I do believe a top half finish could be achieved . What places do you get conference league? Could be some fantastic away occasions in that competition.Certainly places you have never heard of.
Post by: Ads on March 19, 2023, 10:35:37 AM
6th
11th
8th
7th
7th
8th
9th
8th
8th
8th
Enough for Europe on 3 ocassions, assuming a Champions League quakifier picks up the FA Cup.
Post by: SaddVillan on March 19, 2023, 11:14:07 AM
Unai's achieved the first part of the job.
A European spot?
In the last 5 seasons 54, 57, 59, 62, 56 has been good enough.
Reckon our remaining fixtures fall into 3 "groups" - in no particular order:
Top 4 contenders
Chelsea A
Spurs H
ManU A
Newcastle H
Liverpool A
Mid- table
Brentford A
Fulham H
Brighton H
Relegation battlers
Forest H
Wolves A
Can we get 20+ points from the 12 remaining games? avsil
We've averaged 1.857 per game so far under Unai.
11 x 1.857 = 20.5
I think we'll come up short. But if we were to qualify, then playing Thursday - Sunday - Thursday with such a small squad to me would be a big worry - look at West Ham this season.
Anybody in favour of continued progression and winning the Holy Grail in May 2024?
Post by: Ads on March 19, 2023, 11:15:45 AM
Post by: SaddVillan on March 19, 2023, 11:19:27 AM
See how the "Greedy6" have brainwashed us into thinking they're permanently entitled to a European spot.
You can orobably add Spuds to that category, given Conte's post match meltdown yesterday.
Post by: Ads on March 19, 2023, 11:21:27 AM
Post by: Paul.S on March 19, 2023, 11:22:22 AM
Our home form is showing signs of picking up so who knows where we can finish but realistically 9th/10th.
Post by: paul_e on March 19, 2023, 12:26:00 PM
Post by: Clampy on March 19, 2023, 12:35:47 PM
You missed our game against Leicester.
Well, we've won our last two home games now which is what I presume he means.
Post by: SaddVillan on March 19, 2023, 12:48:17 PM
You missed our game against Leicester.
Well, we've won our last two home games now which is what I presume he means.
Just noticed that, thanks for spotting the omission.
Must pay more attention to checking before I hit the "Post" button.
Post by: Richard E on March 19, 2023, 12:50:47 PM
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Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 19, 2023, 01:01:54 PM
Post by: paul_e on March 19, 2023, 03:14:08 PM
You missed our game against Leicester.
Well, we've won our last two home games now which is what I presume he means.
I meant the fixture we're playing in 2-3 weeks.
Post by: clash city rocker on March 19, 2023, 03:50:11 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 19, 2023, 04:18:04 PM
If we get to 50 points from where we were under Gerrard and with the thin squad we’ve got then that would be some achievement by Emery.
Our home form is showing signs of picking up so who knows where we can finish but realistically 9th/10th.
Indeed it will, but the first half of the season included 11 games under Gerrard and we’d got 25 points at that stage, so 25 points from the second half should be within our grasp.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 19, 2023, 04:58:30 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 19, 2023, 05:28:44 PM
Post by: Risso on March 19, 2023, 08:44:43 PM
I like the idea of a healthy Kamara, Coutinho and Carlos for the last 7-9 games of the season. Won’t be many clubs that can hope for players of that calibre to join the ranks for the final push.
Especially with Mitrovic and Toney hopefully both getting lengthy bans.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 19, 2023, 09:35:05 PM
From here, only getting 50 would be a disappointment. Would be only just above a point a game.
Agreed, with 11 games I don't think it's unreasonable to target 5 wins and 2 draws which take us to 55. Our run-in looks fairly tough atm though.
Post by: darren woolley on March 19, 2023, 09:56:47 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 19, 2023, 09:57:06 PM
I like the idea of a healthy Kamara, Coutinho and Carlos for the last 7-9 games of the season. Won’t be many clubs that can hope for players of that calibre to join the ranks for the final push.
Especially with Mitrovic and Toney hopefully both getting lengthy bans.
That will help for sure. Brighton look solid though and even with a cup semi they will remain solid to the end. Along with our other games, we will absolutely need to beat them at Villa Park to stand any chance of getting past them.
Post by: Smirker on March 19, 2023, 11:02:37 PM
It would be brilliant if we could just sneak a place in Europe.
It is gonna happen.
Look at the table since Unai came in.
We're 3rd.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrhliusX0AMMJqn?format=jpg&name=small)
We've averaged just under 2 pts per game. If we carry on with that form until the end of the season that's 24 pts and takes us to 62 pts. That is enough to finish 7th in every one of the last 8 seasons.
We've got a good chance lads.
Post by: Dave P on March 20, 2023, 06:51:00 AM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 20, 2023, 07:43:01 AM
Will another place in the league for Europe open up if Brighton win the FA Cup and finish 7?
No. I think any hopes of eighth place being good enough for Europe rely on manyoo suddenly being shit enough to just slide out of the top four yet simultaneously retaining enough form to win the Europa League. And if Sheffield United win The Cup, seventh is likely to not be good enough.
I think.
Post by: LeeB on March 20, 2023, 09:27:40 AM
At our current rate of points per game, we'd finish on 58. Looking at the past few years that would equate to:
6th
11th
8th
7th
7th
8th
9th
8th
8th
8th
Enough for Europe on 3 ocassions, assuming a Champions League quakifier picks up the FA Cup.
Hmm, I wonder which unlucky team team were the outlier in that list finishing outside the top ten with that tally?
And basically were now that team with Grealish under Emery, and were that team without Grealish under Gerrard.
Post by: chrisw1 on March 20, 2023, 09:51:25 AM
But our run in is really tricky and I think we're punching above our weight too at the moment. We're also on a knife edge in terms of squad depth and an injury to Watkins ends our season. Although I was hopeful of a push up to 8th, I think Chelsea will pull away and of the rest only Brentford are a realistic target. We'll be battling with them for 9th.
Post by: Risso on March 20, 2023, 09:58:39 AM
Post by: paul_e on March 20, 2023, 10:43:45 AM
It would be brilliant if we could just sneak a place in Europe.
It is gonna happen.
Look at the table since Unai came in.
We're 3rd.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrhliusX0AMMJqn?format=jpg&name=small)
We've averaged just under 2 pts per game. If we carry on with that form until the end of the season that's 24 pts and takes us to 62 pts. That is enough to finish 7th in every one of the last 8 seasons.
We've got a good chance lads.
I assume that table is from transfermarkt (it looks like it) which is based on rounds not dates so the number of games played is a bit off. For example it doesn't include the rearranged fixtures from round 7 (the weekend after the queen died) that have been played, they include a draw for Man Utd and wins for Brentford and Liverpool which moves Man U level with us and Brentford and Liverpool ahead.
I doesn't really make much difference to your overall point but it does stop us having played more games than almost everyone on there.
Oh and I agree with Risso, the next round of games will play a big part in how things play out, if we can get a win it'll be a huge result for us.
Post by: IFWaters on March 20, 2023, 11:59:26 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 21, 2023, 12:56:59 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 21, 2023, 01:07:29 PM
I've said this in previous seasons and it hasn't turned out to be the case but what the hell let's go for it again. This villa squad are the great white shark of the premier league. Spent a lot of time in the murky depths before powering upwards with great force to seize the prize from the unsuspecting fat tourists above. There will be little warning before a 5 game winning run at the end of the season sweeps all before us like prawns wriggling around trying to swim for their lives. All home games the team should now run out to Jaws soundtrack.
If it didn't work when we had Bruce....
Post by: eamonn on March 21, 2023, 01:27:46 PM
Just realized our last game of the season is home vs Brighton. If we do our job up to that game that could be the Europa League decider. What a game that would be. Packed Villa Park in May.
Hopefully Brighton will be in the Cup final and aren't as motivated.
Post by: Pat Mustard on March 21, 2023, 01:48:56 PM
If, however, we say bollocks to that and just assume we're going to win all 11 remaining games then 4th place is still on - Champions League here we come.
Post by: paul_e on March 21, 2023, 03:24:06 PM
With nothing better to do I've just been looking at a table predictor putting in all the results between now and the end of the season, and being realistic 8th/9th is looking most likely.
If, however, we say bollocks to that and just assume we're going to win all 11 remaining games then 4th place is still on - Champions League here we come.
I had us in 8th doing the same last week.
Post by: Smirker on April 01, 2023, 07:25:30 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 01, 2023, 07:30:40 PM
Post by: algy on April 01, 2023, 07:33:47 PM
We beat Leicester and Forest and we're bang in the race for 4th nevermind 6th-7th looking at the table.Was going to say, whilst it's very much up the "once in a blue moon" end of probability, we are only 9pts off 3rd right now.
Edit: this should in no way be taken as me thinking there's any possibility of that actually happening, more a comment that the whole of the table up to 3rd is pretty tight...
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 01, 2023, 07:35:00 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on April 01, 2023, 07:35:13 PM
We beat Leicester and Forest and we're bang in the race for 4th nevermind 6th-7th looking at the table.
🤫
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on April 01, 2023, 07:40:35 PM
Post by: Smirker on April 01, 2023, 07:51:21 PM
I'd take a 1-0 Barkleyesque game.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 01, 2023, 07:57:44 PM
Post by: Smirker on April 01, 2023, 08:46:18 PM
Our anthem for the rest of the season.
8)
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 01, 2023, 09:09:49 PM
We also have to play Newcastle and Tottenham.
Post by: eamonn on April 01, 2023, 10:23:19 PM
We beat Leicester and Forest and we're bang in the race for 4th nevermind 6th-7th looking at the table.
🤫
I can't make out what this fella means?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 01, 2023, 10:27:52 PM
Post by: IFWaters on April 01, 2023, 10:30:31 PM
Can't you hear it?I've said this in previous seasons and it hasn't turned out to be the case but what the hell let's go for it again. This villa squad are the great white shark of the premier league. Spent a lot of time in the murky depths before powering upwards with great force to seize the prize from the unsuspecting fat tourists above. There will be little warning before a 5 game winning run at the end of the season sweeps all before us like prawns wriggling around trying to swim for their lives. All home games the team should now run out to Jaws soundtrack.
If it didn't work when we had Bruce....
Duh duh duh duh
Post by: paul_e on April 01, 2023, 10:59:33 PM
We still have to play the three teams between us and 6th place.
We also have to play Newcastle and Tottenham.
If we can take 11+ points from those (i.e. avoid any defeats and get 3 wins) then we'll be favourites for 6th, in my opinion.
Post by: Eckybloke on April 01, 2023, 11:16:24 PM
😁😁
Post by: paul_e on April 01, 2023, 11:30:29 PM
It feels to me like the third or fourth game of the 10 game Championship run…chuffed to bits just now, you want it to continue, it (Europe this time/playoffs then) seems tantalisingly close…but it’s hard to be like non-Villa fans and not fear the worst.
😁😁
I agree, the momentum is with us and it doesn't feel like it's going to fall apart any time soon. The whole squad just seem confident and comfortable with what they're being asked to do, which means we're always going to be a threat.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 01, 2023, 11:47:09 PM
From late Feb/early March we've found a really solid formula back to front.
All defenders in form and prolific striker, yep that's a decent combination whatever the league.
I said pre kick off beat Leicester and Forest and we'd be right up there. We'll be top 6 if we do that I think so challenge is there and we're good enough to do it currently.
60 points should be the target now and if we can achieve that before final day and Brighton at home then things will become very exciting.
Post by: paul_e on April 01, 2023, 11:56:54 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 02, 2023, 12:07:35 AM
I agree but it feels wrong to not mention the midfield which is, for me, in the top 3 in the country right now and means we have so much control in where teams play.
McGinn is now exceeding the standards he was setting for most of 2019. It's great to see given how critical I've been of him for last 18 months.
Kamara is already a top 6 player comfortably (probably top 4) so we need to be hitting that range soon to keep him sweet.
Emery is perfect manager for Luiz at this stage of his career.
It's working very well. I presume Kamara was just taken off due to fatigue and being on a yellow rather than any reoccurrence of injury as we need him fit for the run in.
Post by: TonyD on April 02, 2023, 12:23:08 AM
In our run in we don’t have to play Citeh or Arsenal.
ManU and Liverpool are the only true tough games.
Post by: Risso on April 02, 2023, 12:47:07 AM
Post by: Matt C on April 02, 2023, 02:48:01 AM
Post by: olaftab on April 02, 2023, 06:28:37 AM
Europe isn’t a pipe dream.I think it is. There are too many teams to overcome and we need perfection in remaining 10 and we need all of them to drop points. One is possible 3 is not.
In our run in we don’t have to play Citeh or Arsenal.
ManU and Liverpool are the only true tough games.
Post by: London Villan on April 02, 2023, 06:44:33 AM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 02, 2023, 07:34:12 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 02, 2023, 07:43:32 AM
04/15 Newcastle (H)
04/22 Brentford (A)
04/25 Fulham (H)
05/13 Tottenham (H)
05/20 Liverpool (A)
05/28 Brighton (H)
But in order to really influence our chances we need to first beat Leicester and Forest. Do that and it’s really on.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on April 02, 2023, 10:24:30 AM
Which bodes well for the extra games Europa footy might bring.
Post by: Pete3206 on April 02, 2023, 10:46:37 AM
Post by: PGW on April 02, 2023, 10:59:40 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 02, 2023, 12:12:59 PM
Teams above us have games in hand. If we want 7th place, we absolutely have to take 6 points from the next 2 games. It's nice to have some excitement back.
Worth noting that Newcastle and Brighton are playing each other in one of those spare games.
Post by: john e on April 02, 2023, 12:21:58 PM
Post by: maidstonevillain on April 02, 2023, 12:25:41 PM
Top 6 finish around 16-18/1.... i have dabbled.
Found any odds for 4th place?
If we win our next 3 games, which include Newcastle, and a few other games go our way, 4th place may not be a pipe dream.
Post by: Risso on April 02, 2023, 12:27:12 PM
Villa - beat Leicester, beat Forest, West Midlands 2, East Midlands 0. 47 points
Newcastle - draw with West Ham, draw with Brentford. 49 points
Brighton - draw with Bournemouth, draw with Spurs. 45 points
Brentford - draw with Man U, draw with Newcastle. 45 points
Liverpool - draw with Chelsea, lose to Arsenal. 43 points
We therefore go into the following week in 6th place, 2 points behind Newcastle in 5th. When we then beat them, it's up to 5th we go. Simple, and Spurs and Man U start to feel us breathing down their necks.
Post by: john e on April 02, 2023, 12:29:58 PM
I’d take seventh position and that European conference thing right now
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 02, 2023, 12:45:01 PM
Top 6 finish around 16-18/1.... i have dabbled..
Me too. 🤞
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 02, 2023, 12:59:13 PM
I think you all must be on shrooms if you think we are making top 4 this season
I’d take seventh position and that European conference thing right now
For now I'm just glad we've finally managed to get out of eleventh! It's been maddening.
Post by: Monty on April 02, 2023, 01:01:59 PM
Seriously though, I'd take top half and beating Newcastle at VP. Conference, Europa, it'd be nice to be back in Europe but it could be a potential slip-up - got to keep focused on getting back in the big time.
Post by: Mellin on April 02, 2023, 01:04:56 PM
Post by: KevinGage on April 02, 2023, 01:08:16 PM
Would be nice if we flipped that this season and finished above them. Esp with Sky et al priming us for 'Everyone's Second Favourite Club/ Those Wonderful Fans' MKII.
Post by: Risso on April 02, 2023, 01:12:30 PM
Look, all it takes is the greatest winning streak in the club's history to finish fourth, I don't see why so many are so pessimistic.
Seriously though, I'd take top half and beating Newcastle at VP. Conference, Europa, it'd be nice to be back in Europe but it could be a potential slip-up - got to keep focused on getting back in the big time.
We just seem to have a similar team spirit to Arsenal at the moment. I don't think anybody would argue that their team is as good as Man City's, but they just keeping knocking out win after win. This has a similar feel to when Gregory took over. After a while, you just get into a feeling of every game is going to be won.
Post by: olaftab on April 02, 2023, 01:18:06 PM
Post by: Risso on April 02, 2023, 01:20:19 PM
Loved the Gregory win run but do not want it to turn into a similar outcome this time.
Quite right. Emery’s clearly in a different league to Grecian, just saying that the run has a similar feel to it.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 02, 2023, 01:23:14 PM
Fulham (may contain upsetting scenes of Gerrard)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63238011
Newcastle (may contain upsetting memories of Olsen)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63354917
Yesterday
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65073184
Post by: chrisw1 on April 02, 2023, 01:29:09 PM
If we can do that (or better) then the knock on benefits going into the summer will be huge.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 02, 2023, 01:36:35 PM
He hasn’t counted out getting into Europe. If we miss out it won’t be for the lack of any kind of effort
Post by: Mellin on April 02, 2023, 01:43:51 PM
Post by: LeeB on April 02, 2023, 02:03:57 PM
Look, all it takes is the greatest winning streak in the club's history to finish fourth, I don't see why so many are so pessimistic.
Seriously though, I'd take top half and beating Newcastle at VP. Conference, Europa, it'd be nice to be back in Europe but it could be a potential slip-up - got to keep focused on getting back in the big time.
I always remember my old politics tutor saying when the Villa juggernaut gets going it's hard to stop. It doesn't happen often but it feels like it's on its way again.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 02, 2023, 02:23:28 PM
I always felt this squad should be good enough for top 8. Gerrard massively under performed and obviously Unai is over performing. We’ve got a tough run in, so for me top 8 from where we were when he took over would be an outstanding achievement.
If we can do that (or better) then the knock on benefits going into the summer will be huge.
With Emery, I actually feel like we look much better and put in better performances against the better teams.
Post by: Steve67 on April 02, 2023, 02:30:38 PM
Post by: algy on April 02, 2023, 02:42:28 PM
That Gregory run was amazing and probably my favourite time as a Villa supporter. It's lovely, just being able to look at our fixtures and think we ought to beat, say, Chelsea who are a decent side a bit down on their luck. It wasn't that long ago as we'd go in to it thinking that we were the ones to end their run!Look, all it takes is the greatest winning streak in the club's history to finish fourth, I don't see why so many are so pessimistic.
Seriously though, I'd take top half and beating Newcastle at VP. Conference, Europa, it'd be nice to be back in Europe but it could be a potential slip-up - got to keep focused on getting back in the big time.
We just seem to have a similar team spirit to Arsenal at the moment. I don't think anybody would argue that their team is as good as Man City's, but they just keeping knocking out win after win. This has a similar feel to when Gregory took over. After a while, you just get into a feeling of every game is going to be won.
Post by: eamonn on April 02, 2023, 02:45:48 PM
Probably playing Football Manager to wind down the mad bastard.
Had to laugh watching MOTD last night when Guy Mowbray exclained "He looks like a Bond villain!" when the camera showed Unai stroking his chin on the touchline yesterday.
Post by: Dave on April 02, 2023, 02:51:28 PM
It wasn't that long ago as we'd go in to it thinking that we were the ones to end their run!
It'll take many years of this before I stop assuming that's what's going to happen.
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 02, 2023, 02:52:03 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/rGMFY4p/BF70574-D-A536-4-A94-AA7-F-6-FFFF4-D02-E57.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rGMFY4p)
He hasn’t counted out getting into Europe. If we miss out it won’t be for the lack of any kind of effort
The man is a machine!!!
Post by: chrisw1 on April 02, 2023, 02:55:00 PM
Very true. I’d still prefer an easier run in though!I always felt this squad should be good enough for top 8. Gerrard massively under performed and obviously Unai is over performing. We’ve got a tough run in, so for me top 8 from where we were when he took over would be an outstanding achievement.
If we can do that (or better) then the knock on benefits going into the summer will be huge.
With Emery, I actually feel like we look much better and put in better performances against the better teams.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 02, 2023, 02:56:10 PM
Loved the Gregory win run but do not want it to turn into a similar outcome this time.
We got into europe on the final day didn't we by beating Arsenal 1-0?
Post by: eamonn on April 02, 2023, 02:59:01 PM
That Gregory run was amazing and probably my favourite time as a Villa supporter. It's lovely, just being able to look at our fixtures and think we ought to beat, say, Chelsea who are a decent side a bit down on their luck. It wasn't that long ago as we'd go in to it thinking that we were the ones to end their run!Look, all it takes is the greatest winning streak in the club's history to finish fourth, I don't see why so many are so pessimistic.
Seriously though, I'd take top half and beating Newcastle at VP. Conference, Europa, it'd be nice to be back in Europe but it could be a potential slip-up - got to keep focused on getting back in the big time.
We just seem to have a similar team spirit to Arsenal at the moment. I don't think anybody would argue that their team is as good as Man City's, but they just keeping knocking out win after win. This has a similar feel to when Gregory took over. After a while, you just get into a feeling of every game is going to be won.
Aged 13, Spring 1998 was my favourite run as a Villa fan (even more than the start of the following season when we went 12 unbeaten and were still top or second til mid-January'99).
I didn't even see most of the highlights/let alone games in 1997/98, as we didn't have the TV channels at home but there was a lot of vicarious enjoyment, listening to radio reports and reading match reports on these games. I thought the sky was the limit with this young new manager and attacking options that seemed to be all clicking into gear (Yorke, Savo, Joachim, Collymore - finally and a young Hendrie bursting onto the scene). 10 wins, 3 defeats. Culminating in a last-gasp, last-day qualification for Europe through a chipped Yorke penalty against Double-winners, Arsenal, where a young Gareth Barry made a full home debut and looked perfectly at home amongst world-class players in the Arsenal team.
The two league losses in these 3 months came at home to teams that ended-up getting relegated, the other defeat in Madrid. But like now, we had goals in us in practically every game and some of the attacking play was liquid. I presume we haven't won 5 league games in a row since (came close with 4 at the start of 20/21 of course).
Hopefully we are set for similar twenty five years on...
(https://i.ibb.co/VQ06Xcs/9798-spring-run.png) (https://ibb.co/VQ06Xcs)
Post by: LeeB on April 02, 2023, 03:00:52 PM
Loved the Gregory win run but do not want it to turn into a similar outcome this time.
We got into europe on the final day didn't we by beating Arsenal 1-0?
No, we actually got I thanks to Chelsea winning the Cup Winners Cup in the week after
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 02, 2023, 03:04:43 PM
Loved the Gregory win run but do not want it to turn into a similar outcome this time.
We got into europe on the final day didn't we by beating Arsenal 1-0?
No, we actually got I thanks to Chelsea winning the Cup Winners Cup in the week after
Oh yeah of course! I remember watching a Podcast Gregory did with the Villa view lads a few years ago and he said they were in Marbella on end of season trip watching the match and one of the coaching staff was slagging off Zola when he came on for them for some reason. He then scored the winner five minutes later.
What's the issue with West Ham possibly winning the europa conference league as I've read somewhere 7th wouldn't qualify for europe if that happens.
Would be the most Villa thing ever if we didn't qualify because Moyes wins his first ever trophy in 25 years as manager.
Post by: olaftab on April 02, 2023, 03:14:07 PM
Yes however I was thinking about Gregory's ultimate demise. No doubt later end of 97/98 and start of 98/99 were good spells.Loved the Gregory win run but do not want it to turn into a similar outcome this time.
We got into europe on the final day didn't we by beating Arsenal 1-0?
Post by: Risso on April 02, 2023, 03:17:01 PM
Loved the Gregory win run but do not want it to turn into a similar outcome this time.
We got into europe on the final day didn't we by beating Arsenal 1-0?
Even then didn’t we need Chelsea to win to the Cup Winners Cup, which they duly did?
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 02, 2023, 03:21:06 PM
No mention of it here. If West Ham won the ECL, they'd qualify for the EL. I'm pretty sure that would be in addition to the EL places already available, as there seems to be provision for an extra EL spot if CL and EL winners had not previously qualified. Clear as mud.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 02, 2023, 04:20:14 PM
Yes however I was thinking about Gregory's ultimate demise. No doubt later end of 97/98 and start of 98/99 were good spells.Loved the Gregory win run but do not want it to turn into a similar outcome this time.
We got into europe on the final day didn't we by beating Arsenal 1-0?
Ah I thought you were on about 98 run when we did that cringe team photo after winning at Southampton to set that record undefeated start to the season. And then two games in final four months of the season to scrape home in 6th/7th.
The Gregory era can always be placed in two parts. First two years were a genuine rollercoaster with many exciting games. After the cup final it really was drab football on a weekly basis with 2000/01 arguably the most forgettable season we've had in 25 years.
Post by: eamonn on April 02, 2023, 04:55:32 PM
Relegating Cov ("We'll be back" ? Yeah, right...) with that comeback from 2-0 down on the last home day was pretty memorable. There were many worse/forgettable seasons under DOL (his middle season in particular), MON (his first) GTII (his full season second-time round) and Lambert (all of them).
Post by: Axl Rose on April 02, 2023, 04:58:59 PM
You always bang on about 00/01 being crap, at least we finished 8th!
Relegating Cov ("We'll be back" ? Yeah, right...) with that comeback from 2-0 down on the last home day was pretty memorable. There were many worse/forgettable seasons under GTII and Lambert.
It was my first year at uni and I used to go to most home games from Aberystwyth. I just loved watching Merse, though Soccer HQ did once call me a Steve Stone fanboy! :D
The Cov game was legendary as I persuaded my whole flat to come to that one. Great days! I was getting pelters at half time.
Post by: Monty on April 02, 2023, 05:13:02 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on April 02, 2023, 05:22:50 PM
I love the fact that we are being spoken about with respect, like we were when MON was here. Hopefully, this continues and we build and strengthen year on year with Unai calling the shots. Good times ahead with the stadium expansion too.
Yes and you see Young and others are as streetwise, the only ones actually we have had since those days when we had Young, Friedel, Laursen, Mellberg and Carew etc..
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 02, 2023, 05:24:25 PM
You always bang on about 00/01 being crap, at least we finished 8th!
Relegating Cov ("We'll be back" ? Yeah, right...) with that comeback from 2-0 down on the last home day was pretty memorable. There were many worse/forgettable seasons under DOL (his middle season in particular), MON (his first) GTII (his full season second-time round) and Lambert (all of them).
I loved all the ‘Benteke keeps us up’ run-ins.
Congo Waring.
Post by: Risso on April 02, 2023, 05:26:48 PM
Post by: algy on April 02, 2023, 05:29:43 PM
Indeed, working on the autobahn(https://i.ibb.co/rGMFY4p/BF70574-D-A536-4-A94-AA7-F-6-FFFF4-D02-E57.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rGMFY4p)
He hasn’t counted out getting into Europe. If we miss out it won’t be for the lack of any kind of effort
The man is a machine!!!
Post by: algy on April 02, 2023, 05:31:20 PM
https://www.premierleague.com/european-qualification-explainedEdit: posted by mistake
No mention of it here. If West Ham won the ECL, they'd qualify for the EL. I'm pretty sure that would be in addition to the EL places already available, as there seems to be provision for an extra EL spot if CL and EL winners had not previously qualified. Clear as mud.
Post by: ez on April 02, 2023, 06:29:56 PM
Post by: Smirker on April 02, 2023, 06:35:30 PM
I agree with Emery that it would be very difficult. We've han an excellent run of results but it's taken us ages just to get into the top half.
The points gap was a lot bigger then though.
Now we're 2 points off 6th 8)
I think he is trying to keep the excitement in check.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 02, 2023, 06:55:16 PM
I agree with Emery that it would be very difficult. We've han an excellent run of results but it's taken us ages just to get into the top half.
I've never been concerned about our position, it was more important to watch the points. Keeping in touch with the group above us has always been the aim. Come the end of the season there will be just a few points separating places from 6th to 11th. I expect us to be right in there especially given the remaining fixtures we have.
Post by: olaftab on April 02, 2023, 07:07:32 PM
Yes but it gets tougher because you are competing against better teams who win more than they lose.I agree with Emery that it would be very difficult. We've han an excellent run of results but it's taken us ages just to get into the top half.
The points gap was a lot bigger then though.
Now we're 2 points off 6th 8)
I think he is trying to keep the excitement in check.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 02, 2023, 07:32:58 PM
29th Oct after the Newcastle game we were
6 points behind Brighton who had a game in hand, it's now 2 points and they have 2 games in hand.
3 points behind Brentford, it's now 2 points.
9 points behind Chelsea who had a game in hand, now 3 points above them
14 behind Spurs, now 8
12 behind Newcastle, now 6 but they have 2 games in hand
4 behind Liverpool who had a game in hand, it's now 1 and they still have that game in hand
7 behind Fulham, now 2 ahead
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 02, 2023, 07:41:35 PM
But I'm not greedy, just win the Europa League final in Dublin next season and the Champions League can wait till 2024/25. 8)
Post by: Mellin on April 02, 2023, 11:52:40 PM
Here's how the point gaps have changed under Emery
29th Oct after the Newcastle game we were
6 points behind Brighton who had a game in hand, it's now 2 points and they have 2 games in hand.
3 points behind Brentford, it's now 2 points.
9 points behind Chelsea who had a game in hand, now 3 points above them
14 behind Spurs, now 8
12 behind Newcastle, now 6 but they have 2 games in hand
4 behind Liverpool who had a game in hand, it's now 1 and they still have that game in hand
7 behind Fulham, now 2 ahead
Just checked this out as was interested in the bottom half. Headline is we were level on points with Southampton. If we win our game in hand that's a 21 point swing in 16 games.
Post by: Smirker on April 02, 2023, 11:56:33 PM
Win the next 2 games and anything's possible with Newcastle coming up at home, and us still to play Yanited.
But I'm not greedy, just win the Europa League final in Dublin next season and the Champions League can wait till 2024/25. 8)
I like the cut of your jib 8)
Post by: Hillbilly on April 03, 2023, 03:44:06 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 03, 2023, 07:38:54 AM
Relegating Coventry was myfirstbest ever game.
Fixed
Post by: Dave P on April 03, 2023, 09:48:17 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 03, 2023, 09:49:40 AM
I love the fact that we are being spoken about with respect, like we were when MON was here. Hopefully, this continues and we build and strengthen year on year with Unai calling the shots. Good times ahead with the stadium expansion too.This is true. The media almost immediately accepted that Newcastle should be expected to compete for top 4 because of their wealthy owners (even though they haven't spent that much). At the same time it was laughable that we had aspirations for top 8 and should probably get back in our box.
Post by: LeeB on April 03, 2023, 10:51:05 AM
At a risk of getting all excited reading this thread, I think if we did qualify for the Conference League, or even the Europa League, we may be one of the favourites to win it. If shite like West Ham and Rangers can go deep, then why not?
Oh yes, and we actually have a manager that's done it before and not David Moyes
Post by: darren woolley on April 03, 2023, 11:44:19 AM
Post by: Drummond on April 03, 2023, 12:05:12 PM
Post by: Risso on April 03, 2023, 12:09:37 PM
We could be 6th at close of play tomorrow.
It's amazing. All you want from football is to watch a good team and to still be in with a chance of achieving something with 10 games left to play. Imagine the atmosphere amongst the players at the moment, knowing that we've still got Brentford, Brighton, Fulham, Liverpool and Newcastle still to play. They can and have beaten just about anybody on their day, so they must be champing at the bit like a randy stallion in a stable full of fillies.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 03, 2023, 12:15:39 PM
We could be 6th at close of play tomorrow.
I think Leicester will be at it from the start like we were against Brentford. I hope we can deal with this
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 03, 2023, 12:16:34 PM
Post by: Drummond on April 03, 2023, 12:17:10 PM
We could be 6th at close of play tomorrow.
It's amazing. All you want from football is to watch a good team and to still be in with a chance of achieving something with 10 games left to play. Imagine the atmosphere amongst the players at the moment, knowing that we've still got Brentford, Brighton, Fulham, Liverpool and Newcastle still to play. They can and have beaten just about anybody on their day, so they must be champing at the bit like a randy stallion in a stable full of fillies.
It's the hope, the thought of finally achieving something under a manager who's done it before.
That run in the Championship was the best feeling for many a year, and I'm grateful to Smith for it, but this is being done at the top table; it's been far, far too long.
Post by: olaftab on April 03, 2023, 01:30:39 PM
It was my first year at uni and I used to go to most home games from Aberystwyth. I just loved watching Merse, though Soccer HQ did once call me a Steve Stone fanboy! :DI'll take a wild guess and say maybe Villa wasn't the only reason for you to make that trip, surely a girl was involved somewhere along the way ;)
Post by: eamonn on April 03, 2023, 05:01:50 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 03, 2023, 06:03:09 PM
If Brentford pip us to Europe can't we take them to some tribunal on the PL's non-decision over Toney's continued involvement in games, despite hanging around Ladbroke's in Ealing during most of his free time over the past few years?
That would seem petty and churlish, I like it.
Post by: eamonn on April 03, 2023, 06:04:00 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 03, 2023, 06:08:00 PM
Not sure if there's a pun in that...I just can't trust you anymore when it comes to words.
No, but I doubt we'd pursue it even if it is all a bit odd he hasn't been banned yet. Sorry, I'll try and restrict any puns to the Deathwatch thread. :-[
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 03, 2023, 10:40:34 PM
Spurs would be 6 ahead but same number of games and we also still have to play them.
In our immediate sights are Brighton, Brentford, and Liverpool and we still have to play all three.
Somebody made the very valid point that as you move up the table on a good run it gets harder to progress further as the teams to then pass are winning more. Of those six teams I have mentioned, in their last five games they have each picked up just 7,8, or in the case of Newcastle 9 points. We have collected 13.
Post by: adrenachrome on April 04, 2023, 12:44:33 AM
Beat Leicester and we will be 6 points off 3rd place. Of course Newcastle and Man U both have two games in hand. Having said that we still have to play them both.
Spurs would be 6 ahead but same number of games and we also still have to play them.
In our immediate sights are Brighton, Brentford, and Liverpool and we still have to play all three.
Somebody made the very valid point that as you move up the table on a good run it gets harder to progress further as the teams to then pass are winning more. Of those six teams I have mentioned, in their last five games they have each picked up just 7,8, or in the case of Newcastle 9 points. We have collected 13.
Some good points there.
Bear in mind. though, that we are the only team in the top 10 with a negative goal difference.
Post by: Axl Rose on April 04, 2023, 03:21:31 AM
It was my first year at uni and I used to go to most home games from Aberystwyth. I just loved watching Merse, though Soccer HQ did once call me a Steve Stone fanboy! :DI'll take a wild guess and say maybe Villa wasn't the only reason for you to make that trip, surely a girl was involved somewhere along the way ;)
Haha. You know me well, mate :D
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 04, 2023, 06:28:57 AM
Post by: Sdwbvf on April 04, 2023, 08:05:20 AM
Post by: TelfordVilla on April 04, 2023, 08:37:49 AM
I think talk of CL is fanciful, too much needs to go wrong for too many teams and we couldn't afford to drop barely any points. I've always thought 7th was best case scenario and assume a horrible Manchester club wins the cup. For example, I'd prefer it if Liverpool beat Chelsea tonight to put some distance between us and the latter. Likewise Man Utd beating Brentford tomorrow.We dont need to put distance between us and Chelsea (or Fulham). we just need to keep winning and they will stay behind us whatever they do (and they are not in the form we are right now). We do need Liverpool and Brighton and Spuds to drop as many points as possible before we beat them in the head to head matches. 6th is on but we have to keep winning. Do you wanna bet against us..
Post by: eamonn on April 04, 2023, 08:47:27 AM
Post by: Baldy on April 04, 2023, 09:04:38 AM
Sort of, is!!
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 04, 2023, 09:12:09 AM
Of course win the next 10 games and its Europe, If is doing some heavy lifting.I think talk of CL is fanciful, too much needs to go wrong for too many teams and we couldn't afford to drop barely any points. I've always thought 7th was best case scenario and assume a horrible Manchester club wins the cup. For example, I'd prefer it if Liverpool beat Chelsea tonight to put some distance between us and the latter. Likewise Man Utd beating Brentford tomorrow.We dont need to put distance between us and Chelsea (or Fulham). we just need to keep winning and they will stay behind us whatever they do (and they are not in the form we are right now). We do need Liverpool and Brighton and Spuds to drop as many points as possible before we beat them in the head to head matches. 6th is on but we have to keep winning. Do you wanna bet against us..
Win the next 3 and I might start getting excited.
Post by: maidstonevillain on April 04, 2023, 09:25:26 AM
I think talk of CL is fanciful, too much needs to go wrong for too many teams and we couldn't afford to drop barely any points. I've always thought 7th was best case scenario and assume a horrible Manchester club wins the cup. For example, I'd prefer it if Liverpool beat Chelsea tonight to put some distance between us and the latter. Likewise Man Utd beating Brentford tomorrow.
I agree Man United to beat Brentford is the best result for us, for the same reasons I wanted them to beat Newcastle. But I would be far happier with a draw for Liverpool - Chelsea. One less point knocking around.
Post by: AV82EC on April 04, 2023, 10:08:11 AM
Bournemouth win
Forest Win
Villa Win
Chelsea/Liverpool draw
6th place and we can really crank up the hype for Saturday.
Post by: algy on April 04, 2023, 10:36:45 AM
Beat Leicester and we will be 6 points off 3rd place. Of course Newcastle and Man U both have two games in hand. Having said that we still have to play them both.Yeah, it's a good point (about good runs being less effective as you move up the table).
Spurs would be 6 ahead but same number of games and we also still have to play them.
In our immediate sights are Brighton, Brentford, and Liverpool and we still have to play all three.
Somebody made the very valid point that as you move up the table on a good run it gets harder to progress further as the teams to then pass are winning more. Of those six teams I have mentioned, in their last five games they have each picked up just 7,8, or in the case of Newcastle 9 points. We have collected 13.
There's a group of clubs from 6th to 11th - Brighton, Brentford, Liverpool, Us, Fulham, and Chelsea - who are so close that they could finish in any order. Getting higher than that is going to be really difficult though. You'd need at least one of Spurs, Newcastle, or Manc Utd to be going on a run where they're picking up points that, over the course of the season, would land them in the bottom half of the table. Personally I don't really see that happening, and it's more a case of which one will end up missing out on a Champions League place.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 04, 2023, 11:09:16 AM
Draws for both for me. I've just gone through the fixtures for the rest of the season. For the first time in a long time I feel they are all winnable. We won't win them all but I think 6th is a good call. The momentum is with us. Whatever I'm aiming for a brighton ticket.
Same for me, especially with Yanited playing poorly and a trip to Old Trafford to come. When we win and those around us only get a point, then it's progress enough.
Post by: Smirker on April 04, 2023, 09:42:14 PM
Post by: Dave on April 04, 2023, 09:44:08 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 04, 2023, 09:44:35 PM
Post by: jwarry on April 04, 2023, 09:45:05 PM
Post by: Smirker on April 04, 2023, 09:45:58 PM
Bizarrely only 6 points off a Champions League place. WTF is happening!
Its absolutely fucking ridiculous.
I love it 8)
Post by: manic-road on April 04, 2023, 09:56:23 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 04, 2023, 10:04:48 PM
Post by: Smithy on April 04, 2023, 10:17:39 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on April 04, 2023, 10:29:45 PM
Russia is off the list, obviously
Post by: TonyD on April 04, 2023, 10:43:19 PM
Get it renewed.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 04, 2023, 10:43:37 PM
Am currently searching for the closest European countries to Japan.
Russia is off the list, obviously
Kazakhstan are in UEFA
Post by: Axl Rose on April 04, 2023, 10:44:56 PM
Kazakhstan will do, by the way! Some fond memories there in the past, also :D
Post by: TonyD on April 04, 2023, 10:45:11 PM
Am currently searching for the closest European countries to Japan.The money you earn in Tokyo:) You could afford a plane to Europe.
Russia is off the list, obviously
Post by: Axl Rose on April 04, 2023, 10:46:09 PM
Am currently searching for the closest European countries to Japan.The money you earn in Tokyo:) You could afford a plane to Europe.
Russia is off the list, obviously
:D
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 04, 2023, 11:19:19 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 04, 2023, 11:21:53 PM
If we do qualify, get someone near Benidorm pleaseBenidorm?
Of all the places in Europe Benidorm?
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 04, 2023, 11:23:24 PM
yep Villarreal just up the roadIf we do qualify, get someone near Benidorm pleaseBenidorm?
Of all the places in Europe Benidorm?
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 04, 2023, 11:29:03 PM
over 100 miles, I will hangout in Valencia some of the best Bars Restaurants in Europe.yep Villarreal just up the roadIf we do qualify, get someone near Benidorm pleaseBenidorm?
Of all the places in Europe Benidorm?
Post by: Axl Rose on April 04, 2023, 11:39:31 PM
over 100 miles, I will hangout in Valencia some of the best Bars Restaurants in Europe.yep Villarreal just up the roadIf we do qualify, get someone near Benidorm pleaseBenidorm?
Of all the places in Europe Benidorm?
It's a poor man's Semey to be fair, mate :)
Post by: TonyD on April 05, 2023, 12:16:14 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 05, 2023, 12:17:25 AM
The first pint of fermented yaks milk on you.over 100 miles, I will hangout in Valencia some of the best Bars Restaurants in Europe.yep Villarreal just up the roadIf we do qualify, get someone near Benidorm pleaseBenidorm?
Of all the places in Europe Benidorm?
It's a poor man's Semey to be fair, mate :)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 05, 2023, 12:21:17 AM
over 100 miles, I will hangout in Valencia some of the best Bars Restaurants in Europe.yep Villarreal just up the roadIf we do qualify, get someone near Benidorm pleaseBenidorm?
Of all the places in Europe Benidorm?
Valencia is a magnificent city, and nothing to do with bars, it's just a properly modern European city.
Post by: Axl Rose on April 05, 2023, 12:26:09 AM
The first pint of fermented yaks milk on you.over 100 miles, I will hangout in Valencia some of the best Bars Restaurants in Europe.yep Villarreal just up the roadIf we do qualify, get someone near Benidorm pleaseBenidorm?
Of all the places in Europe Benidorm?
It's a poor man's Semey to be fair, mate :)
Absolutely mate!
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 05, 2023, 12:29:00 AM
Post by: TonyD on April 05, 2023, 12:31:05 AM
If we are. It’s gonna be a massive Villa away party. We are talking thousands of us.
Post by: TonyD on April 05, 2023, 12:36:43 AM
Benidorm?! Fucking hell, I'm 5000 miles away and it still feels a bit too close for comfort.I was close by Benidorm in the mountains last summer. Dropped in twice as was bored in 2 weeks in a nice villa.
It’s not that bad. But not great.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 05, 2023, 12:40:51 AM
If we do qualify, get someone near Benidorm please
I haven't been following La Liga this year, are Atlético Benidorm still in with a chance of qualifying for Europe?
Post by: TonyD on April 05, 2023, 12:44:46 AM
If it’s Conference - then it could be literally anyone.If we do qualify, get someone near Benidorm please
I haven't been following La Liga this year, are Atlético Benidorm still in with a chance of qualifying for Europe?
Post by: olaftab on April 05, 2023, 12:54:07 AM
Without a massive meltdown - we are going to be in Europe next season.Leeds will take more even if they are not in European competitions
If we are. It’s gonna be a massive Villa away party. We are talking thousands of us.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 05, 2023, 12:57:02 AM
Without a massive meltdown - we are going to be in Europe next season.
If we are. It’s gonna be a massive Villa away party. We are talking thousands of us.
Leeds will take more even if they are not in European competitions
But still not as many as Blose brought to Bruges. :(
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 05, 2023, 01:04:40 AM
Post by: Smirker on April 05, 2023, 01:10:19 AM
Finishing 6th would qualify for that wouldn't it?
I would of course be fine with the Conference League.
Post by: The Man With A Stick on April 05, 2023, 06:38:13 AM
Post by: algy on April 05, 2023, 07:42:42 AM
I'm being picky and stating the obvious but I'd really prefer the Europa League.I'm not arsed, but I imagine the UEFA Cup would be best as far as signing players goes. Cos when we talk to them we'll be like "how do you fancy winning the UEFA Cup?" And they'll be like "wtf lol" and we'll be like "Unai Emery is our manager" and they'll be like "oh yeah, that's what Unai Emery does lol" and they'll sign for us.
Finishing 6th would qualify for that wouldn't it?
I would of course be fine with the Conference League.
Or something.
Post by: Risso on April 05, 2023, 07:48:16 AM
I'm being picky and stating the obvious but I'd really prefer the Europa League.
Finishing 6th would qualify for that wouldn't it?
I would of course be fine with the Conference League.
I'd quite like the Champions League!
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 05, 2023, 08:06:32 AM
If we are in Europe it will be interesting to see what our away support is like. Apart from the odd game our away numbers have generally been poor to average over the years so with the new levels of demand will the numbers increase a lot.
I've never been to an away European game. I'll be doing my utmost to get to at least one, should we make it. And I want a weird one, one you have to hire a car because the airport's 200 miles away and the trains only run on Mondays, where I can turn up in a town and wonder how the place has a football team, never mind one that's qualified for Europe.
Or Barcelona. Whatever, I'm easy.
Post by: Clampy on April 05, 2023, 08:36:38 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 05, 2023, 08:40:02 AM
If we are in Europe it will be interesting to see what our away support is like. Apart from the odd game our away numbers have generally been poor to average over the years so with the new levels of demand will the numbers increase a lot.
Have they? I thought we usually sold out away games.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on April 05, 2023, 08:42:16 AM
Post by: London Villan on April 05, 2023, 08:55:39 AM
Brighton are in a really good spot for a shot at Chumps league - that is amazing! Let's hope all the focus is on them and we can sneak into 6th at least.
Penny for Potter's thoughts - or £12m...
Post by: Des Little on April 05, 2023, 09:49:58 AM
Post by: Scratchins on April 05, 2023, 10:07:48 AM
If we are in Europe it will be interesting to see what our away support is like. Apart from the odd game our away numbers have generally been poor to average over the years so with the new levels of demand will the numbers increase a lot.
Have they? I thought we usually sold out away games.
What! You obviously haven't tried to buy away tickets. since before we were promoted it has been nigh on impossible unless you have an almost 100% away attendance.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 05, 2023, 10:12:22 AM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 05, 2023, 10:47:48 AM
Post by: Monty on April 05, 2023, 10:49:47 AM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 05, 2023, 10:50:53 AM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 05, 2023, 10:51:50 AM
There's a chance that Conference League might mean an away day at Juventus, which would be really something.
I'm equally intrigued by the random ones. What is Moldova like in the autumn?
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 05, 2023, 10:52:40 AM
2024 Europa League Final is at Aviva Stadium in Dublin. Just imagine that.Dublin of all places, don't tell Mcginn
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 05, 2023, 10:53:53 AM
Benidorm?! Fucking hell, I'm 5000 miles away and it still feels a bit too close for comfort.Well that's a no from you then,
Post by: Monty on April 05, 2023, 10:55:32 AM
There's a chance that Conference League might mean an away day at Juventus, which would be really something.
I'm equally intrigued by the random ones. What is Moldova like in the autumn?
For wine fans, as equally an exciting if very different prospect as Piedmont. Incredibly underrated outside of eastern Europe.
Post by: Vegas on April 05, 2023, 10:58:12 AM
Post by: aldridgeboy on April 05, 2023, 11:01:51 AM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 05, 2023, 11:02:50 AM
Sadly I think 8th is much more likely that 7th. I haven’t worked or the permutations but if English clubs win one of the Europa leagues is there a chance 8th can qualify?
I think the only way this would happen is English clubs win both Europa League and Champions League and finish between 5th and 7th. So that would have to be Man U and Chelsea. Also would require the FA cup winner to qualify for Europe through their league position.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 05, 2023, 11:04:15 AM
Bottom para of this explains extra EL place in scenario I described above
Post by: Risso on April 05, 2023, 11:09:19 AM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 05, 2023, 11:14:30 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 05, 2023, 11:25:55 AM
Yes and has great places to eat and drink.over 100 miles, I will hangout in Valencia some of the best Bars Restaurants in Europe.yep Villarreal just up the roadIf we do qualify, get someone near Benidorm pleaseBenidorm?
Of all the places in Europe Benidorm?
Valencia is a magnificent city, and nothing to do with bars, it's just a properly modern European city.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 05, 2023, 11:28:20 AM
I've never been to an away European game. I'll be doing my utmost to get to at least one, should we make it. And I want a weird one, one you have to hire a car because the airport's 200 miles away and the trains only run on Mondays, where I can turn up in a town and wonder how the place has a football team, never mind one that's qualified for Europe.
Or Barcelona. Whatever, I'm easy.
Same here, never been to an away Europe game but would be up for one or two next season. Sporting would be good as Lisbon's a nice city and we could all bunk at RCF's and save a bit on the accommodation front.
Post by: FatSam on April 05, 2023, 11:33:09 AM
On the brink of war it seems unfortunately.There's a chance that Conference League might mean an away day at Juventus, which would be really something.
I'm equally intrigued by the random ones. What is Moldova like in the autumn?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 05, 2023, 11:37:54 AM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 05, 2023, 11:41:53 AM
Sporting would be good as Lisbon's a nice city and we could all bunk at RCF's and save a bit on the accommodation front.
Sounds like a plan.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 05, 2023, 11:53:15 AM
Post by: Neil Hawkes on April 05, 2023, 11:53:23 AM
Post by: eamonn on April 05, 2023, 11:54:54 AM
Osasuna have made it to the Copa Del Ray final.
Love the fact that Fiorentina or Cremonese will be in the final of the Coppa Italia.
Post by: Monty on April 05, 2023, 11:57:22 AM
Post by: Duncan Shaw on April 05, 2023, 12:00:22 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 05, 2023, 12:05:00 PM
Let's just see where we finish and where that takes us. It's all in our own hands as we've got to play just about everybody around us again.
Given our form and who we have left to play we literally couldn’t be in a better spot in terms of dictating our own destiny
Post by: chrisw1 on April 05, 2023, 12:06:00 PM
We could, but I know what you mean.Let's just see where we finish and where that takes us. It's all in our own hands as we've got to play just about everybody around us again.
Given our form and who we have left to play we literally couldn’t be in a better spot in terms of dictating our own destiny
Post by: LeeB on April 05, 2023, 12:18:17 PM
I've never been to an away European game. I'll be doing my utmost to get to at least one, should we make it. And I want a weird one, one you have to hire a car because the airport's 200 miles away and the trains only run on Mondays, where I can turn up in a town and wonder how the place has a football team, never mind one that's qualified for Europe.
Or Barcelona. Whatever, I'm easy.
Same here, never been to an away Europe game but would be up for one or two next season. Sporting would be good as Lisbon's a nice city and we could all bunk at RCF's and save a bit on the accommodation front.
I've done Milan in 1990, Madrid in 1998 and Hamburg in 2008, well overdue another trip.
Post by: Des Little on April 05, 2023, 12:20:42 PM
Post by: Risso on April 05, 2023, 12:24:06 PM
Post by: Smirker on April 05, 2023, 12:29:47 PM
It would have been nice to see Villa on normal telly in a European fixture.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 05, 2023, 12:33:09 PM
As examples of the extremes they can be.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 05, 2023, 12:45:24 PM
Osasuna have made it to the Copa Del Ray final.
Love the fact that Fiorentina or Cremonese will be in the final of the Coppa Italia.
Ngl, that's now twice today I've had to fire up Google.
Post by: Clampy on April 05, 2023, 12:50:37 PM
Post by: LeeB on April 05, 2023, 12:59:01 PM
They can vary quite a bit, pretty much everyone that went to Bilbao will still say how brilliant a trip it was and how great the locals and police were. Those of us who went to Madrid have the exact opposite view with what went on around the ground with the police and their fans. It was shit.
As examples of the extremes they can be.
The only problems with Madrid was at the ground though, we'd been drinking all day near a fountain the city centre with no bother whatsoever
Post by: Somniloquism on April 05, 2023, 12:59:20 PM
Never been on an away trip to Europe with Villa.
Been on two. 1-0 loss to Inter Milan before the Phil King return leg, and the 0-0 at Bordeaux
As PWS mentioned, the away match experiences were so different with Inter being over-policed and not being allowed to do anything, and Bordeaux being great. Shame both legs were not classic matches though.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 05, 2023, 01:03:04 PM
Never been on an away trip to Europe with Villa.
Our next pint together?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 05, 2023, 01:05:39 PM
They can vary quite a bit, pretty much everyone that went to Bilbao will still say how brilliant a trip it was and how great the locals and police were. Those of us who went to Madrid have the exact opposite view with what went on around the ground with the police and their fans. It was shit.
As examples of the extremes they can be.
The only problems with Madrid was at the ground though, we'd been drinking all day near a fountain the city centre with no bother whatsoever
That's why I said "at the ground".
Although the police got very heavy handed by the coaches to the ground and i'm not sure the snipers as we got off the plane were needed.
Post by: Risso on April 05, 2023, 01:12:11 PM
Never been on an away trip to Europe with Villa.
Our next pint together?
That would be nice mate.
Post by: Holte L2 on April 05, 2023, 01:37:20 PM
Post by: Lsvilla on April 05, 2023, 01:37:51 PM
Rennes at the start of this season was okay mainly due to the weather.
Post by: algy on April 05, 2023, 01:45:23 PM
https://www.premierleague.com/european-qualification-explainedIn short for this. The league gets 5 European places (4 Champions League, 1 Europa League), the FA Cup winner gets one (Europa League), and the League Cup winner gets one (Europa Conference). These can all 'trickle down', so for example Manchester United won the League Cup - if they qualify for a place in Europe via the league, their Conference place is given to the team that finishes 6th. The FA Cup's the same - if the winner finishes in the top 5, then the extra place goes to 6th, and the Europa Conference place is given to the side that finishes 7th.
Bottom para of this explains extra EL place in scenario I described above
You can also win places in Europe by winning the Champions League, Europa League (both a Champions League place), and the Europa Conference (a Europa Cup place). There's a maximum of 5 Champions League places, though - if an English side were to win the Europa League *and* another win the Champions League, then we'd get 5 places - 4th place would end up in the Europa League. The crucial thing with these, though, is they don't trickle down. If you win the Europa League and finish 4th, then that extra Champions League place just disappears.
This is how you theoretically get down to 9th place qualifying. The Europa League or Champions League winner has to finish in a position where they'd have won a 'trickle down' spot that's in a lower level competition than the one they've qualified for. So, if the Europa League or Champions League winner finishes 5th, 6th, or 7th - 8th place ends up qualifying for the Europa Conference (assuming that the FA Cup & League Cup have been won by teams 7th or higher).
You can get to 9th place as long as the team that wins the Europa Conference finishes in the only place that can trickle down for them - they qualify for the Europa Conference. So they have to finish exactly 8th, although they can optionally also win the League Cup as that won't have any effect.
Post by: algy on April 05, 2023, 01:46:43 PM
Never been on an away trip to Europe with Villa.Me neither. Desperately want to go on one, though
Post by: AV82EC on April 05, 2023, 01:48:06 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 05, 2023, 01:54:19 PM
In between Strasbourg and Basel, to the east of the Rhine.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 05, 2023, 02:01:06 PM
Post by: Duncan Shaw on April 05, 2023, 02:20:48 PM
https://www.premierleague.com/european-qualification-explainedIn short for this. The league gets 5 European places (4 Champions League, 1 Europa League), the FA Cup winner gets one (Europa League), and the League Cup winner gets one (Europa Conference). These can all 'trickle down', so for example Manchester United won the League Cup - if they qualify for a place in Europe via the league, their Conference place is given to the team that finishes 6th. The FA Cup's the same - if the winner finishes in the top 5, then the extra place goes to 6th, and the Europa Conference place is given to the side that finishes 7th.
Bottom para of this explains extra EL place in scenario I described above
You can also win places in Europe by winning the Champions League, Europa League (both a Champions League place), and the Europa Conference (a Europa Cup place). There's a maximum of 5 Champions League places, though - if an English side were to win the Europa League *and* another win the Champions League, then we'd get 5 places - 4th place would end up in the Europa League. The crucial thing with these, though, is they don't trickle down. If you win the Europa League and finish 4th, then that extra Champions League place just disappears.
This is how you theoretically get down to 9th place qualifying. The Europa League or Champions League winner has to finish in a position where they'd have won a 'trickle down' spot that's in a lower level competition than the one they've qualified for. So, if the Europa League or Champions League winner finishes 5th, 6th, or 7th - 8th place ends up qualifying for the Europa Conference (assuming that the FA Cup & League Cup have been won by teams 7th or higher).
You can get to 9th place as long as the team that wins the Europa Conference finishes in the only place that can trickle down for them - they qualify for the Europa Conference. So they have to finish exactly 8th, although they can optionally also win the League Cup as that won't have any effect.
Thanks, and my head hurts! So it looks like we want Man U to win the FA Cup and finish top 4? Eugh.
Post by: OCD on April 05, 2023, 02:29:11 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 05, 2023, 02:49:35 PM
Watch us finish 4th the same year English teams win BOTH Champions League and Europa League.
It would only be an issue if both finish outside top four. So that would be Chelsea winning the CL.
Post by: Monty on April 05, 2023, 03:10:31 PM
Watch us finish 4th the same year English teams win BOTH Champions League and Europa League.
It would only be an issue if both finish outside top four. So that would be Chelsea winning the CL.
Well then, 'mon the Falangist Bastardos.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 05, 2023, 03:51:56 PM
Watch us finish 4th the same year English teams win BOTH Champions League and Europa League.
It would only be an issue if both finish outside top four. So that would be Chelsea winning the CL.
Well then, 'mon the Falangist Bastardos.
This stage of the CL is always about wanting the horrible foreign arseholes to beat the horrible English arseholes.
Post by: olaftab on April 05, 2023, 04:03:12 PM
Thanks, and my head hurts! So it looks like we want Man U to win the FA Cup and finish top 4? Eugh.Also Man city can win the FA cup but Brighton must not if they finish below us.
Post by: olaftab on April 05, 2023, 04:08:10 PM
Never been on an away trip to Europe with Villa.Been on a few, including Iceland to a village team just outside Reykjavik. Best was Prague and worst was Moscow.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 05, 2023, 04:25:28 PM
what happened or was it because Moscow is a drum full of miserable unfriendly people?Never been on an away trip to Europe with Villa.Been on a few, including Iceland to a village team just outside Reykjavik. Best was Prague and worst was Moscow.
Post by: OCD on April 05, 2023, 04:30:04 PM
Thanks, and my head hurts! So it looks like we want Man U to win the FA Cup and finish top 4? Eugh.Also Man city can win the FA cup but Brighton must not if they finish below us.
If Brighton finish below us, we will have likely qualified anyway.
Post by: olaftab on April 05, 2023, 04:34:50 PM
what happened or was it because Moscow is a drum full of miserable unfriendly people?Yes all of what you said plus blatant racism, being denied a seat in 3 different restaurants for no obvious reason at all other than (and I was told this by a couple of brit RT journalists later that night) that their regulars would not accept a darkie dining there.
Post by: Smithy on April 05, 2023, 04:35:00 PM
Watch us finish 4th the same year English teams win BOTH Champions League and Europa League.
It would only be an issue if both finish outside top four. So that would be Chelsea winning the CL.
That happened to Spurs in 2012. They finished 4th, but got demoted to the Europa League because Chelsea won the Champions League while finishing 6th in the league.
Post by: Risso on April 05, 2023, 04:41:03 PM
what happened or was it because Moscow is a drum full of miserable unfriendly people?Yes all of what you said plus blatant racism, being denied a seat in 3 different restaurants for no obvious reason at all other than (and I was told this by a couple of brit RT journalists later that night) that their regulars would not accept a darkie dining there.
Fucking hell mate, that's horrendous.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 05, 2023, 04:48:18 PM
Jesus fucking wept.what happened or was it because Moscow is a drum full of miserable unfriendly people?Yes all of what you said plus blatant racism, being denied a seat in 3 different restaurants for no obvious reason at all other than (and I was told this by a couple of brit RT journalists later that night) that their regulars would not accept a darkie dining there.
Sorry mate but it doesn’t surprise me.
Post by: eamonn on April 05, 2023, 04:50:38 PM
Post by: LeeB on April 05, 2023, 04:56:35 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on April 05, 2023, 04:56:51 PM
Prague went a bit moody during the match. It kicked off with the stewards when a Villa fan let a flare off and we were met with Riot police outside the ground.
It got moody because a middle aged fella had broken his seat accidently, well fairly accidently, by standing on it, the official stewards tried to kick him and his missus out, they were remonstrated with by those closest, withdrew and sent in what is best described as a snatch squad of about 10 black clad fellas they looked like they'd got out of the closest gym. They were also remonstrated with, in more physical terms, and after a short vigorous bout of fisticuffs, also withdrew. I think they appreciated the sport as there were respectful nods and even a handshake or two at the end of the game. All very English.
A trip also famous for DBTW, of this parish, appearing on top of a phone box.
Post by: mamuu on April 05, 2023, 04:57:20 PM
Post by: shirley_villan on April 05, 2023, 05:08:12 PM
what happened or was it because Moscow is a drum full of miserable unfriendly people?Yes all of what you said plus blatant racism, being denied a seat in 3 different restaurants for no obvious reason at all other than (and I was told this by a couple of brit RT journalists later that night) that their regulars would not accept a darkie dining there.
what happened or was it because Moscow is a drum full of miserable unfriendly people?Yes all of what you said plus blatant racism, being denied a seat in 3 different restaurants for no obvious reason at all other than (and I was told this by a couple of brit RT journalists later that night) that their regulars would not accept a darkie dining there.
Shocking, but doesn't surprise me. Went on that trip as well and had a coat robbed containing passport amongst other belongings, resulting in having to stay an extra night and replace passport/visa etc.
Prague was a great trip though!
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on April 05, 2023, 05:20:55 PM
Slavia Prague in 08/09
Loved Bucharest took a week nearly there and back on the coach...bumped into a few Lazio fans in Vienna on the way there. Friendly Bunch😁
Post by: The Man With A Stick on April 05, 2023, 05:33:51 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 05, 2023, 05:40:16 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 05, 2023, 08:17:18 PM
I've done Bohemians and Shamrock Rovers if they count.no they don't count, part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 05, 2023, 08:19:52 PM
I've done Bohemians and Shamrock Rovers if they count.no they don't count, part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
Are they fuck.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 05, 2023, 08:22:17 PM
I've done Bohemians and Shamrock Rovers if they count.
no they don't count, part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
I didn't realise Clampy was that old.
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 05, 2023, 08:26:43 PM
I should know mums from LondonderryI've done Bohemians and Shamrock Rovers if they count.no they don't count, part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
Are they fuck.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 05, 2023, 08:28:08 PM
I should know mums from LondonderryI've done Bohemians and Shamrock Rovers if they count.no they don't count, part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
Are they fuck.
Derry is part of the UK (of GB&NI). Dublin is not.
Post by: eamonn on April 05, 2023, 08:52:46 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 05, 2023, 08:56:08 PM
I think the chap is on a wind-up. Either that, or his Mum dropped him on the geographical part of his brain.
Given that he's mad keen on Benidorm, I'm going for the latter.
Post by: Clampy on April 05, 2023, 09:27:17 PM
I've done Bohemians and Shamrock Rovers if they count.no they don't count, part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
Stop getting Ireland wrong.
Post by: Smirker on April 05, 2023, 10:02:52 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 05, 2023, 10:13:52 PM
How mad would it be if after those years of getting so disgustingly close to CL qualification when Lerner first arrived, that we get it this year out of kowhere when none of us even dreamt of it?after tonight I think CL is unlikely.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 05, 2023, 10:24:49 PM
Beat Forest and we can catch whoever loses Spurs-Brighton. Still have to play both at VP in the run in.
Post by: Rory on April 05, 2023, 10:47:12 PM
Freiburg have knocked out Bayern to reach the German Cup semis.
In between Strasbourg and Basel, to the east of the Rhine.
Beautiful city.
Post by: Smirker on April 05, 2023, 11:03:46 PM
Post by: Rory on April 05, 2023, 11:05:16 PM
Let's say we do get top 6, does that mean we are Big 6?
Not unless we change our postcode.
Post by: Smirker on April 05, 2023, 11:13:33 PM
Let's say we do get top 6, does that mean we are Big 6?
Not unless we change our postcode.
haha, good point.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 05, 2023, 11:45:22 PM
I should know mums from LondonderryI've done Bohemians and Shamrock Rovers if they count.no they don't count, part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
Are they fuck.
How on earth did you get it this wrong? Both are Dublin clubs.
Post by: Rory on April 05, 2023, 11:48:39 PM
I should know mums from LondonderryI've done Bohemians and Shamrock Rovers if they count.no they don't count, part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
Are they fuck.
How on earth did you get it this wrong? Both are Dublin clubs.
I think you mean 'Londondublin', TV.
Post by: Dick Edwards on April 06, 2023, 07:58:59 AM
How mad would it be if after those years of getting so disgustingly close to CL qualification when Lerner first arrived, that we get it this year out of kowhere when none of us even dreamt of it?after tonight I think CL is unlikely.
Given our start to the season, finishing seventh and getting even a Conference League spot would be a remarkable achievement. Europa League qualification would be close to miraculous. Ending the season in the top four/Champions League places is just so unlikely it would actually be a miracle.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 06, 2023, 11:13:19 AM
Agree, its an amazing turnaround. I worry that our squad is a little bit thin to sustain this form, at 1 1 before the sending off we looked a bit flat against Leicester. But every win the excitement grows.How mad would it be if after those years of getting so disgustingly close to CL qualification when Lerner first arrived, that we get it this year out of kowhere when none of us even dreamt of it?after tonight I think CL is unlikely.
Given our start to the season, finishing seventh and getting even a Conference League spot would be a remarkable achievement. Europa League qualification would be close to miraculous. Ending the season in the top four/Champions League places is just so unlikely it would actually be a miracle.
I said before Chelsea if we win the next 4 I will start to believe , 2 down.
Post by: Risso on April 06, 2023, 11:25:01 AM
How mad would it be if after those years of getting so disgustingly close to CL qualification when Lerner first arrived, that we get it this year out of kowhere when none of us even dreamt of it?after tonight I think CL is unlikely.
Given our start to the season, finishing seventh and getting even a Conference League spot would be a remarkable achievement. Europa League qualification would be close to miraculous. Ending the season in the top four/Champions League places is just so unlikely it would actually be a miracle.
Champions League would require not only us to sustain this form until the end of the season, but also a big drop off for all of Newcastle, Man U and Brighton, which I can't see happening. I'm just enjoying the fact that as it stands, every remaining game is potentially important, both for potentially helping to send our grossly inferior Midlands cousins down (Forest and Dogheads) or staying ahead of/catching those teams around us.
Post by: Monty on April 06, 2023, 11:27:16 AM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 06, 2023, 11:33:31 AM
I'm just enjoying that I could go to the pub with my Man United supporting friend yesterday and know that we were relevant to his club. That's where we should be.
We're always relevant, and we were winning the top trophies before they were even a glint in the milkman's eye.
Post by: olaftab on April 06, 2023, 11:56:29 AM
Fucking hell mate, that's horrendous.
Jesus fucking wept.Didn't bother me that much really on the night, my thoughts wes fuck em. But thinking about it a few weeks later you lose all respect for their right to be called a civilised society.
Sorry mate but it doesn’t surprise me.
Post by: olaftab on April 06, 2023, 12:03:33 PM
Post by: Risso on April 06, 2023, 12:38:10 PM
Post by: CT on April 06, 2023, 12:52:15 PM
If we do however, I hope we grab the opportunity with both hands. We have a manager who is an expert in European football competition - one of the best.
Plus, for some of us who’ve experienced European nights away, it would be nice to do some more while there’s some time left.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 06, 2023, 01:22:47 PM
Post by: Richard on April 06, 2023, 01:39:49 PM
Post by: john2710 on April 06, 2023, 02:27:18 PM
As for going to games in Europe, I assume UEFA are a lot stricter about ticket sales to away fans. Where tickets are checked issued a passport number.
Post by: olaftab on April 06, 2023, 07:25:28 PM
Post by: Smirker on April 06, 2023, 07:40:29 PM
6th would be spiffing.
Post by: john2710 on April 06, 2023, 07:41:58 PM
Post by: eamonn on April 06, 2023, 07:59:39 PM
Also with the likes of Cash, Carlos, Kamara and Coutinho all available at some point think we can handle these last 9 games.
All the hard cees.
Post by: steamer on April 07, 2023, 07:29:00 AM
Brentford, Fulham are 6 pointers
I reckon 9-11 points more
wherever we finish it will be better than expected
Roll on next season
Post by: Smithy on April 07, 2023, 10:05:45 AM
Of the unexpected packages, it's between us and Brighton, and then whether Klopp and Lampard can get a tune out of their players in the last 10 games. Let's be honest, with the players they have at their disposal, they SHOULD be capable of putting together a half-decent winning run. If they both click, then I could see them both finishing ahead of us. Realistically, i think 7th is achievable, and 8th is most likely. But my heart says we'll steal 6th from Brighton on the last day of the season.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 07, 2023, 10:42:23 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 07, 2023, 10:54:02 AM
Is Toney actually getting a ban? And if so, when?See Blose points deduction.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 07, 2023, 11:10:11 AM
Post by: eamonn on April 07, 2023, 12:18:09 PM
Post by: paul_e on April 07, 2023, 01:24:27 PM
Post by: eamonn on April 07, 2023, 01:37:40 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 08, 2023, 05:31:09 PM
Newcastle (H)
Brentford (A)
Fulham (H)
Man Utd (A)
Wolves (A)
Spurs (H)
Liverpool (A)
Brighton (H)
Post by: Monty on April 08, 2023, 05:32:04 PM
Post by: Smirker on April 08, 2023, 05:32:29 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 08, 2023, 05:34:21 PM
The pessimist in me says we could easily lose literally all of those games!
Fulham are properly on the beach now so that should be a regulation home win.
We need to aim for 60 points now. I think that will be good enough for 6th (although Liverpool will probably beat Arsenal now I've typed that).
Brighton still got all of Chelsea, Arsenal, Newcastle and us away and both Manchester clubs at home so not like it's a lock they win 4-5 more games this season and others like Brentford are falling away now.
Post by: four fornicholl on April 08, 2023, 05:46:03 PM
Are you lads with me now? 8)Im with you
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 08, 2023, 05:46:31 PM
Quote
West Ham - a. WIN
Bournemouth - h WIN
Chelsea - a DRAW
Leicester - a DRAW
Forest - h WIN
Newcastle - h DRAW
Brentford - a LOSE
Fulham - h WIN
Man Utd - a LOSE
Wolves - a DRAW
Spurs - h WIN
Liverpool - a LOSE
Brighton - h WIN
So two points in front of prediction. Tempted to change the Brentford defeat to a draw.
Post by: Monty on April 08, 2023, 05:59:28 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 08, 2023, 06:00:47 PM
Are you lads with me now? 8)
Only if we don't have to shave our heads to fit in.
See you at 'The Gravediggers' for the Europa League final pre-match pints. 8)
Post by: Dave on April 08, 2023, 06:09:44 PM
Toney ban will be in the summer apparently.
Banned for June and July.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 08, 2023, 06:10:59 PM
Post by: TaxDodger on April 08, 2023, 06:25:34 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 08, 2023, 06:31:42 PM
Post by: rougegorge on April 08, 2023, 06:42:00 PM
I think it could well be out of us and Brighton for 7th and the final European spot. A play off between us on the last day of the season.If it were to come to that, I would hope they have made the Cup Final, as inevitably some players would be playing it safe.
Post by: Smithy on April 08, 2023, 07:40:33 PM
A fair few seem to think it's almost a given Liverpool will finish 6th. W4 D3 L4 over the last couple of months suggests otherwise.
The thing with Liverpool is that their form is pretty poor, but they are well capable of putting together a run of four or five wins on the bounce, regardless of who they play. Of the teams immediately below us, they are probably the only ones capable of doing that.
There is no reason why their terrible form won’t continue until the end of the season, but their poor form feels temporary, rather than their new normal. I thought the same about Chelsea, right up until they appointed Lampard. Now I think they’re lucky they’ve got 39 points already so should be safe.
Post by: olaftab on April 08, 2023, 07:43:49 PM
If they do make the final we don't want them to win it if we pip them to 7th.I think it could well be out of us and Brighton for 7th and the final European spot. A play off between us on the last day of the season.If it were to come to that, I would hope they have made the Cup Final, as inevitably some players would be playing it safe.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 08, 2023, 07:55:03 PM
Post by: levico on April 08, 2023, 08:00:09 PM
I hope not. I think having to deal with the grind of Thursday nights playing in Ruritania will impact our chances of pushing on in the league. We need another year of Emery to have the squad to cope with it.
I knew I would find a sensible post if I searched for it LOL.
Very good point, other teams have found it very difficult to properly prepare for the next weekend game when they have a Europa match on Thursday. I would say that the current squad couldn’t cope with that even with the genius that is Unai. I guess our owners will consider what needs to be done if we qualify.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 08, 2023, 08:05:18 PM
Post by: Smirker on April 08, 2023, 08:32:08 PM
If we need a bigger squad we'll get one.
We'll be fine. Coping with both is what big clubs do and that's where we are headed.
Post by: Dave on April 08, 2023, 08:51:29 PM
I'm not sure there's much sense in not wanting to qualify for Europe this season as it may impact us next season and stop us from, er, qualifying for Europe.
Personally I hope we stop playing football matches altogether in case it impacts our ability to play football matches in the future.
Post by: Skerra on April 08, 2023, 11:01:29 PM
Post by: Matt C on April 09, 2023, 02:38:28 AM
Post by: Rory on April 09, 2023, 03:12:30 AM
There’s a lot of logic to wanting to progress gradually but let’s be honest, if there’s even an iota of chance of Europe, we grab it now with both hands. Attract better players, nearer football’s top table… we’ll take it now.
Agreed, my only concern is that if we miss out, it'll be considered a disappointment. Given where we were, a top half finish would be a very good achievement in itself.
Emery is working miracles as far as I'm concerned, and I'm confident it's sustainable and part of a long term upward trajectory, but it's taken a near-flawless run of form to break into the top 6. With some teams around us having games in hand, some tough fixtures to come, and after giving up almost a third of a season head start, finishing 7th-9th would not be a failure.
That's just a hope that we can all bear in mind where we started and that we've been making up for lost ground. There's no reason for us not to do our best to win every game we play, finish as high as we possibly can, and build for a future befitting the quality of our squad, the pedigree of our manager and our stature as a football club.
There's nothing we can do about those first dozen games now, but we're onto a very, very good thing.
Post by: algy on April 09, 2023, 07:47:05 AM
Emery gets this right and the Champions League is a distant but tangible possibility. Bad run of injuries/form/.. and we end up in the bottom half. Really is very, very tight. Regardless though, what he's achieved so far is nothing short of miraculous.
Post by: Axl Rose on April 09, 2023, 07:49:13 AM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 09, 2023, 07:58:43 AM
Next week is going to be very interesting, two teams in great form. Exciting times.
Post by: LeeB on April 09, 2023, 10:02:26 AM
Newcastle and Spurs are the games I badly want to win. Put both of those fuckers and their rubbish fans in their places
Agreed, though I'm in full Villa battle mode now. I have no concessions to give to any team, they're all poxy, can get fucked and will be chewed up and spat out (if they're lucky) by the unstoppable Villa juggernaut.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on April 09, 2023, 10:37:36 AM
Newcastle and Spurs are the games I badly want to win. Put both of those fuckers and their rubbish fans in their places
+1... Absolutely! It's a ridiculous long shot that relies on a lot of things going our way (Geordies especially), but how sweet would it be to pip BOTH of them in the table.
Post by: martyn ellis on April 09, 2023, 11:18:58 AM
Newcastle and Spurs are the games I badly want to win. Put both of those fuckers and their rubbish fans in their places
Verging on the category of generalisation, wouldn't you say? I know some very nice fans of both Spurs and Newcastle - I even met a nice Blues fan (once). I'd still want to beat them though.
Post by: Monty on April 09, 2023, 11:23:45 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 09, 2023, 12:03:15 PM
Hopefully Arsenal win that comfortably and Liverpool chuck the season in as they're still a danger as a sleeper team.
We can certainly finish above Brighton now, they have a tougher run in than us and still have FA cup in play.
It's annoying Newcastle have won five straight just as we've hit form, they were in very indifferent form up to the cup final and I was hoping them losing that would kill their season. That idiot handballing in last minute for Forest which gave them a last minute penalty was the luck they needed to kick on.
Post by: Axl Rose on April 09, 2023, 12:31:37 PM
Newcastle and Spurs are the games I badly want to win. Put both of those fuckers and their rubbish fans in their places
Verging on the category of generalisation, wouldn't you say? I know some very nice fans of both Spurs and Newcastle - I even met a nice Blues fan (once). I'd still want to beat them though.
No! :D
Post by: Axl Rose on April 09, 2023, 12:32:09 PM
Post by: maidstonevillain on April 09, 2023, 12:39:41 PM
Liverpool beating Arsenal about 3-0 is just about the most typical result to put us back in our place.Its a shame. Before last weekend there was a realistic possibility of us sneaking 4th place. But it needed Newcastle to lose to ManU and Brentford before playing the Villa. Next weekend is now a 3-pointer rather than a 6-pointer.
Hopefully Arsenal win that comfortably and Liverpool chuck the season in as they're still a danger as a sleeper team.
We can certainly finish above Brighton now, they have a tougher run in than us and still have FA cup in play.
It's annoying Newcastle have won five straight just as we've hit form, they were in very indifferent form up to the cup final and I was hoping them losing that would kill their season. That idiot handballing in last minute for Forest which gave them a last minute penalty was the luck they needed to kick on.
Post by: algy on April 09, 2023, 12:51:33 PM
How I'm looking at it is, we basically have to play every team between 3rd &10th, plus Wolves.Liverpool beating Arsenal about 3-0 is just about the most typical result to put us back in our place.Its a shame. Before last weekend there was a realistic possibility of us sneaking 4th place. But it needed Newcastle to lose to ManU and Brentford before playing the Villa. Next weekend is now a 3-pointer rather than a 6-pointer.
Hopefully Arsenal win that comfortably and Liverpool chuck the season in as they're still a danger as a sleeper team.
We can certainly finish above Brighton now, they have a tougher run in than us and still have FA cup in play.
It's annoying Newcastle have won five straight just as we've hit form, they were in very indifferent form up to the cup final and I was hoping them losing that would kill their season. That idiot handballing in last minute for Forest which gave them a last minute penalty was the luck they needed to kick on.
Right now, I think putting space between us and Brentford, in 9th place, is the thing to aim for. I think at the start of the season most of us would've been at least satisfied with a top 8 finish. Then we're in a race with Liverpool and Brighton for 6th place. That'd be great given where we looked to be going under Gerrard.
Of the teams above us, Spurs look just catchable as long as we beat them. Anything else, even a draw, and it'll be tough. Not expecting us to finish in the Champions League places. Think we'd need to win practically every remaining game to have anything like a chance. Seems unlikely, but to be honest if you'd said to be at the start of the season that 4th looked unlikely but 5th was within the wit of man, I'd have been utterly delighted.
Post by: IFWaters on April 09, 2023, 03:36:50 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 09, 2023, 05:23:14 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 09, 2023, 05:38:12 PM
Sure, we all know it's bollocks this clubism. That said, a Newcastle fan who's still and uncomplicated Newcastle fan has made a moral calculation I know I wouldn't make.
Absolutely.
Although let's face it, the situation is exactly the same with Abu Dhabi City.
Post by: Monty on April 09, 2023, 07:03:33 PM
Sure, we all know it's bollocks this clubism. That said, a Newcastle fan who's still and uncomplicated Newcastle fan has made a moral calculation I know I wouldn't make.
Absolutely.
Although let's face it, the situation is exactly the same with Abu Dhabi City.
I'd say it's slightly worse? But yes, both way past the line.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 09, 2023, 07:48:21 PM
I know our run in looks tough, but to be honest, I think we look better against better sides. Brighton, Man United, Spurs, Chelsea. All excellent, tactically superb, disciplined performances.
I know we lost to Arsenal, but 2-4 doesn't tell the whole story. Taking the lead twice, and being 2-2 until gone 90 minutes and then a 4th as the keeper had gone up for a corner, and the 3rd a shot which bounces down and in off the back of the keeper's head.
That's unlucky.
I honestly feel more relaxed and convinced we'll get something going to Spurs or Chelsea or Brighton or the likes than I do against some of the lower table sides, I think we raise our game against sides who play football.
Again, though, not too long ago we were genuinely talking about relegation. What a marvellous turnaround this has been.
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 09, 2023, 07:58:19 PM
I take your point but what is a Man City or Newcastle fan supposed to do? Not go? Support someone else? Never watch the matches again? Not feel happy when the club does well or wins stuff? To criticise the owners, the source of the money, fine, but the supporters of those clubs have been put in a position they could do nothing about - a position which a lot of top clubs might find themselves in in the future. Of course there are the arseholes who will try to ignore the issue or defend the ownership but I'm reluctant to condemn all the fans absolutely because I've never been faced with that choice. No doubt some Villa fans would go down that route if it happened to us.Sure, we all know it's bollocks this clubism. That said, a Newcastle fan who's still and uncomplicated Newcastle fan has made a moral calculation I know I wouldn't make.
Absolutely.
Although let's face it, the situation is exactly the same with Abu Dhabi City.
I'd say it's slightly worse? But yes, both way past the line.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 09, 2023, 08:04:19 PM
Could do with Liverpool losing today. Their run in looks fairly easy after today. Us and Tottenham are their hardest fixtures on paper.
Just checked their fixtures myself. Seems unlikely we'll be able to hold them off unless we're close to perfect
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 09, 2023, 08:04:53 PM
For now they have a buffer and have Bournemouth at home next so will probably extend the points over us.
We just need to finish above Brighton now. If we do we make europa conference league at worst.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 09, 2023, 08:48:04 PM
We have a very tough run in, in comparison.Could do with Liverpool losing today. Their run in looks fairly easy after today. Us and Tottenham are their hardest fixtures on paper.
Just checked their fixtures myself. Seems unlikely we'll be able to hold them off unless we're close to perfect
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 09, 2023, 09:17:53 PM
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Post by: TelfordVilla on April 09, 2023, 10:39:49 PM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on April 09, 2023, 11:16:58 PM
We know Emery will set us up with a chance of winning games.
That may or may not happen but any of those top sides certainly won't want to play us that's for sure!
Post by: Smithy on April 10, 2023, 11:57:42 AM
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Post by: algy on April 10, 2023, 01:55:56 PM
Just finishing in the top half would have been viewed as a success so anything over that is a bonus. Talk of catching Spurs is certainly fanciful. It's an amazing run but we're regularly playing better opposition from now. We've certainly made the most of a run of fixtures against lower placed teams, and it's something we've got to do more of in future. Gerrard might not have lost his job if we had done better out of a similar run of games. Luckily for us, he didn't.I think it'll be difficult to catch Spurs, but not fanciful. We still have to play them - win there and there's 3pts difference between us (well, 4pts given their goal difference and ours).
It's in the upper reaches of what we could realistically achieve, but I don't think it's completely beyond all possibility that we beat them and win a couple of games which they end up drawing. That's a good/bad run, not a miracle.
Post by: eamonn on April 10, 2023, 02:49:27 PM
Post by: nigel on April 10, 2023, 07:41:01 PM
It would be a bad thing as it would give us a better chance of qualifying.
Not sure but it seems to be 3 qualifying rounds and a playoff round before the groups
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 10, 2023, 07:42:45 PM
Realistically we are looking at the uefa conference competition as our gateway to Europe.
It would be a bad thing as it would give us a better chance of qualifying.
Not sure but it seems to be 3 qualifying rounds and a playoff round before the groups
English team enter in play off round
Post by: nigel on April 10, 2023, 07:46:49 PM
Realistically we are looking at the uefa conference competition as our gateway to Europe.
It would be a bad thing as it would give us a better chance of qualifying.
Not sure but it seems to be 3 qualifying rounds and a playoff round before the groups
English team enter in play off round
Thanks, bud 👍
Post by: ez on April 12, 2023, 10:39:59 AM
Post by: AV82EC on April 12, 2023, 11:21:40 AM
I need to swat up on European qualification places as it's been that long since we were contenders.
Just read back through the thread and pay attention to algy’s posts. Your brain may need resetting afterwards but it’s all there.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2023, 12:10:25 PM
I think we're a better team than Spurs, had Emery started level with them, we would be leaving them for dust.
It feels really weird how Spurs have somehow managed to remain either in or pushing for the CL places all season despite having been absolutely shit for ages now.
Post by: eamonn on April 12, 2023, 12:25:13 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 12, 2023, 01:55:37 PM
Speaking of "luck", from the other thread, the amount of good fortune Spurs had at home to Brighton last weekend was absolutely ridiculous.
I think there was more than "luck" at play there - some of the decisions were out right cheating - how the ref and VAR missed the Pen challenge was just surreal
Post by: Dick Edwards on April 12, 2023, 02:26:43 PM
Speaking of "luck", from the other thread, the amount of good fortune Spurs had at home to Brighton last weekend was absolutely ridiculous.
I think there was more than "luck" at play there - some of the decisions were out right cheating - how the ref and VAR missed the Pen challenge was just surreal
Pen challenges. Two stonewall penalties.
Post by: eamonn on April 12, 2023, 03:13:08 PM
Post by: Pat Mustard on April 12, 2023, 03:19:00 PM
I think we're a better team than Spurs, had Emery started level with them, we would be leaving them for dust.
It feels really weird how Spurs have somehow managed to remain either in or pushing for the CL places all season despite having been absolutely shit for ages now.
Spurs are Blues at the moment, and I've got a feeling what happened against Brighton won't help them in the long run - it wouldn't surprise me if they have a run of VAR decisions mysteriously going against them in their next few games. If we can just keep our run going then Spurs are the team I can see losing a few head to heads over the next months and dropping out of the running.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 12, 2023, 03:19:44 PM
Post by: hipkiss92 on April 12, 2023, 05:27:00 PM
i reckon we need to win 4 or 5 games to have any chance.
60 points would be an excellent return given where Emery started, and give us a decent shot at a top 7 place. 4 wins and a draw needed to get us there from 8 games.
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 12, 2023, 05:36:27 PM
i reckon we need to win 4 or 5 games to have any chance.
60 points would be an excellent return given where Emery started, and give us a decent shot at a top 7 place. 4 wins and a draw needed to get us there from 8 games.
And I will whisper it quietly before I jinx the fuck out of our season, but I think Emery can do that...
Post by: Beard82 on April 13, 2023, 07:45:05 PM
Apologies if this has been answered elsewhere, i just haven't paid much attention to these kind of things over the last 10 years for some reason.
Post by: Pete3206 on April 13, 2023, 07:58:00 PM
I think.
Post by: Beard82 on April 13, 2023, 08:26:58 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 13, 2023, 08:28:06 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 13, 2023, 08:31:43 PM
Conference winners qualify for the Europa League. Makes no difference to the league.
I think.
That's correct, Pete.
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If a Premier League club win the UEFA Europa Conference League and do not qualify for the UEFA Europa League via the Premier League or the FA Cup, then they enter the UEFA Europa League group stages as an additional club.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 13, 2023, 10:10:18 PM
Really fancy our chances of two successive league wins at Old Trafford (they also play Spurs away on the Thursday before that match). Have we ever done that before (guessing early 1900s?)
Post by: FatSam on April 13, 2023, 10:30:01 PM
Man. United getting a few injuries now. Lisandro Martinez did his achilles, Varane went off at half time and we know Rashford probably won't be back until May.08/03/30 Manchester United 2-3 Aston Villa
Really fancy our chances of two successive league wins at Old Trafford (they also play Spurs away on the Thursday before that match). Have we ever done that before (guessing early 1900s?)
30/08/30 Manchester United 3-4 Aston Villa
Post by: eamonn on April 14, 2023, 09:49:08 AM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 14, 2023, 10:52:51 AM
What about the last time we doubled them ?
I was thinking that. Think we drew both games against them in 1981
Post by: eamonn on April 14, 2023, 11:02:01 AM
*Spoiler - yes but in terms of points gained, we are over-performing to the same level that Arsenal are.
Post by: olaftab on April 14, 2023, 12:15:36 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on April 14, 2023, 12:19:33 PM
Agree with your getting better players point, Aftab, mate.
Post by: Bad English on April 14, 2023, 12:25:35 PM
92 years ago, on the day Warren Buffet was born.Man. United getting a few injuries now. Lisandro Martinez did his achilles, Varane went off at half time and we know Rashford probably won't be back until May.08/03/30 Manchester United 2-3 Aston Villa
Really fancy our chances of two successive league wins at Old Trafford (they also play Spurs away on the Thursday before that match). Have we ever done that before (guessing early 1900s?)
30/08/30 Manchester United 3-4 Aston Villa
Post by: chrisw1 on April 14, 2023, 12:34:29 PM
I stopped listening when he called Forest 'Nottingham'.It's a good analysis. If you're interested in Villa then it's strange to stop listening because of that.
Agree with your getting better players point, Aftab, mate.
Post by: paul_e on April 14, 2023, 12:40:52 PM
It's important because if you, as a manager, highlight a way to get your striker to out-perform on xG then the team will also out-perform expectations. That then directly translates to points, so you out-perform there as well. Get your goalkeeper out-performing as well (by having the best in the world) and suddenly all of your numbers are exceeding expectations on the basis of 2 players, and 1 of those isn't doing anything that you can't see replicated regularly. Yes the numbers look like a massive swing that will be hard to maintain but as you break it down the gap becomes a lot more understandable.
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 14, 2023, 12:53:38 PM
It's ok analysis but skips over some fairly important points. For example he says that strikers over-performing against xG isn't all that unusual and hints towards some of the reasons for it but doesn't really build on the point.
It's important because if you, as a manager, highlight a way to get your striker to out-perform on xG then the team will also out-perform expectations. That then directly translates to points, so you out-perform there as well. Get your goalkeeper out-performing as well (by having the best in the world) and suddenly all of your numbers are exceeding expectations on the basis of 2 players, and 1 of those isn't doing anything that you can't see replicated regularly. Yes the numbers look like a massive swing that will be hard to maintain but as you break it down the gap becomes a lot more understandable.
"Over performing against xG" means the grand total of fuck all.
XG is the most pointless "stat" in football.
I watched a game last year in the Australian A'League where one teams xG was predicted to be 0.003 & the other 0.000.
The game finished either 4-3 or 5-4. I cannot recall, but either way, both teams scored more than 3 each.
Whenever I see xG mentioned in football, it makes me want to punch my cat...
Post by: Risso on April 14, 2023, 12:57:55 PM
It's ok analysis but skips over some fairly important points. For example he says that strikers over-performing against xG isn't all that unusual and hints towards some of the reasons for it but doesn't really build on the point.
It's important because if you, as a manager, highlight a way to get your striker to out-perform on xG then the team will also out-perform expectations. That then directly translates to points, so you out-perform there as well. Get your goalkeeper out-performing as well (by having the best in the world) and suddenly all of your numbers are exceeding expectations on the basis of 2 players, and 1 of those isn't doing anything that you can't see replicated regularly. Yes the numbers look like a massive swing that will be hard to maintain but as you break it down the gap becomes a lot more understandable.
Also, if you've got one of the very best keepers in the world, then them making outstanding saves ins't "outperforming" it's them doing their job. And Ollie has clearly worked very hard on certain weaknesses in his game, and so has very clearly and tangibly improved. I'd argue again then that he's not "outperforming" he's just greatly improved, such that he now takes a higher proportion of chances that come his way. I'd say the xG statisticians need to go back and recalculate their results in terms of real world data in the same way that the IMF and BoE do for inflation figures, for example.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 14, 2023, 12:58:46 PM
We controlled that match from start to finish. Not much luck about that.
Post by: paul_e on April 14, 2023, 01:26:22 PM
It's ok analysis but skips over some fairly important points. For example he says that strikers over-performing against xG isn't all that unusual and hints towards some of the reasons for it but doesn't really build on the point.
It's important because if you, as a manager, highlight a way to get your striker to out-perform on xG then the team will also out-perform expectations. That then directly translates to points, so you out-perform there as well. Get your goalkeeper out-performing as well (by having the best in the world) and suddenly all of your numbers are exceeding expectations on the basis of 2 players, and 1 of those isn't doing anything that you can't see replicated regularly. Yes the numbers look like a massive swing that will be hard to maintain but as you break it down the gap becomes a lot more understandable.
Also, if you've got one of the very best keepers in the world, then them making outstanding saves ins't "outperforming" it's them doing their job. And Ollie has clearly worked very hard on certain weaknesses in his game, and so has very clearly and tangibly improved. I'd argue again then that he's not "outperforming" he's just greatly improved, such that he now takes a higher proportion of chances that come his way. I'd say the xG statisticians need to go back and recalculate their results in terms of real world data in the same way that the IMF and BoE do for inflation figures, for example.
My point on Emi was basically the same thing, a goalkeeper as good a him is always going to "over-perform" because he's just good. Our goals conceded stat should always be better than xGA purely by his presence in the team.
Watkins is more complicated because, as I said on the geordie pre-match thread, the stats will never be able to take form and confidence into account. All the work he's done has increased his confidence and that has seen an improvement in his form. That might be temporary or it might be his new level and him scoring more than xG could just become a standard for him, like it is for players like Haaland, Kane, Lewandowski, etc. The important thing is that it's over-performing against global averages, not against personal ability.
I'm not comparing him to those players, just pointing out that xG doesn't work for the truly exceptional, whether that's permanent or temporary, that applies to Emi as well, obviously.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 14, 2023, 01:28:32 PM
In the end the games are played on the pitch but we don’t have it easy the rest of the way.
Post by: Nev on April 14, 2023, 01:32:16 PM
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Post by: trinityoap on April 14, 2023, 01:42:30 PM
Post by: Risso on April 14, 2023, 01:45:05 PM
Xg is just a load of bollocks.
The probability of you saying that was 0.82
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 14, 2023, 01:55:35 PM
Xg is just a load of bollocks.
I don't think it's a load of bollocks, but I do think that, as with all data measures, it is not so much what it measures, it is about how it is interpreted.
In this case of this video it is being seen as an ultimate form of truth.
For example, the guy just sees matches where we score more than our XG and then declares that means we were 'lucky', then applies the same evaluation to half a dozen other matches.
Post by: Ads on April 14, 2023, 02:03:33 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 14, 2023, 02:06:32 PM
Xg is just a load of bollocks.
I don't think it's a load of bollocks, but I do think that, as with all data measures, it is not so much what it measures, it is about how it is interpreted.
In this case of this video it is being seen as an ultimate form of truth.
For example, the guy just sees matches where we score more than our XG and then declares that means we were 'lucky', then applies the same evaluation to half a dozen other matches.
All it means is that their xG prediction was wrong & he is using that shitty data to push his agenda...
Post by: aldridgeboy on April 14, 2023, 02:39:13 PM
While I’m at it , I’ve never seen the point in Rugby, when they put the number of “ phases“. on the screen
5th phase. So what ? Let me know when they’ve scored.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 14, 2023, 03:45:18 PM
I’ve never understood Xg. Or even see the point.
While I’m at it , I’ve never seen the point in Rugby, when they put the number of “ phases“. on the screen
5th phase. So what ? Let me know when they’ve scored.
I've never seen the point in Rugby.
Post by: paul_e on April 14, 2023, 03:54:57 PM
I’ve never understood Xg. Or even see the point.
While I’m at it , I’ve never seen the point in Rugby, when they put the number of “ phases“. on the screen
5th phase. So what ? Let me know when they’ve scored.
I've never seen the point in Rugby.
Naughty!
The number of phases is relevant because play becomes less structured as the number of phases increases. It's not a particularly important stat but it can explain why a winger ends up one-on-one with a prop, for example.
Post by: Clampy on April 14, 2023, 05:05:48 PM
I’ve never understood Xg. Or even see the point.
While I’m at it , I’ve never seen the point in Rugby, when they put the number of “ phases“. on the screen
5th phase. So what ? Let me know when they’ve scored.
I've never seen the point in Rugby.
I've only been through it on the train.
Post by: LeeB on April 14, 2023, 05:23:26 PM
He described Spurs away as one of the 'lucky' games.
We controlled that match from start to finish. Not much luck about that.
That was the one that stood out for me, with only the Leeds game at home where I thought we had a bit of luck on the balance of the game.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 14, 2023, 08:33:33 PM
Wise.I’ve never understood Xg. Or even see the point.
While I’m at it , I’ve never seen the point in Rugby, when they put the number of “ phases“. on the screen
5th phase. So what ? Let me know when they’ve scored.
I've never seen the point in Rugby.
I've only been through it on the train.
Post by: algy on April 15, 2023, 10:31:42 AM
Are there any stats for rolling your sleeves up or looking people in the eye?This is really where xG falls down, it's doesn't hold a candle against rSU, LitE or the little known yN (Yeah no)
Having analysed all* of our games, we had a high rSU under Bruce but low LitE. Gerrard increased LitE dramatically, but our rSU dropped off a cliff. The key thing with Emery is he runs long, intensive sessions where players have to continually roll their sleeves up whilst looking him in the eye until Emery says "Yeah no" at them.
With some of the best rSU, LitE and yN stats in the league, it's absolutely no surprise that we've gone rocketing up the table.
* None
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 15, 2023, 10:56:27 AM
Post by: algy on April 15, 2023, 11:37:48 AM
This data is meaningless unless we know whether players have their boots on. All I've ever asked is that they put their boots on. You can't ask more, or less, than that.That's true, it's easy to overlook xBO (expected boots on). The best players in the world always have an xBO of close to 2.0, and it's really the level our players need to hit too.
Post by: Drummond on April 15, 2023, 11:42:04 AM
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Post by: algy on April 15, 2023, 01:17:44 PM
Post by: johnc on April 15, 2023, 02:04:21 PM
My xB is at -5 after telling SWMBO that her arse looks a bit bigger in that pair of jeans.Like xG honesty is overrated
Post by: IFWaters on April 15, 2023, 04:45:35 PM
Post by: Steve67 on April 15, 2023, 05:10:46 PM
Still, Spurs are losing again.
Post by: Smirker on April 15, 2023, 05:32:38 PM
I wouldn't rule out top 4 just yet. Stranger things have happened than a 6 point swing in our favour over 7 games. Might be too far but I believe in Emery and the team to give it their best shot.
Post by: Mellin on April 15, 2023, 06:07:43 PM
Brighton and Liverpool could still see us down the table though, so let's just keep winning. It's pretty enjoyable.
Post by: OCD on April 15, 2023, 06:09:58 PM
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Post by: Risso on April 15, 2023, 06:22:54 PM
Post by: FatSam on April 15, 2023, 06:24:38 PM
From what I read on this thread a week or two ago, I believe there are scenarios where 5th qualifies.Algy to the thread!
Post by: Smirker on April 15, 2023, 06:25:16 PM
I didn’t think it worked like that? 5th never gets it
Everton finished 5th and got it in 2005, Everton finished 4th and both qualified but I think after that they changed it so that only 4 can qualify from the same country. If someone finishes 4th and a team outside the top 4 wins the CL that season, the winners take the place of the 4th placed team (which was the case in 2012 when Chelsea won the CL and Spurs finished 4th and missed out).
So in short, no we can't finish 5th and qualify for the CL. I think.
Post by: Beard82 on April 15, 2023, 06:43:56 PM
I didn’t think it worked like that? 5th never gets it5 never gets it - unless it’s Liverpool?
Post by: algy on April 15, 2023, 06:50:05 PM
From what I read on this thread a week or two ago, I believe there are scenarios where 5th qualifies.There are, but only if that side wins the Champions League or Europa League. You can't qualify via the league in 5th place, lowest position is 4th.
4th place qualifies in all except the strangest of circumstances - where the Champions League & Europa League winner both come from the same country, and both finish outside the top 4.
Post by: Risso on April 15, 2023, 06:55:38 PM
There's no situation where the 5th placed team can qualify for the Champions League.
Post by: jwarry on April 15, 2023, 06:58:29 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 15, 2023, 07:05:32 PM
5th is realistic now. We're 3pts behind and we have to play Spurs. But they'll probably drop points regardless of if we beat them or not.
I wouldn't rule out top 4 just yet. Stranger things have happened than a 6 point swing in our favour over 7 games. Might be too far but I believe in Emery and the team to give it their best shot.
Still a massive, massive ask but if we win our 2 next two, Yanited might well be getting a bit twitchy by the time we play them.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 15, 2023, 07:09:48 PM
Why are we talking about 5Th?
Spurs ran out of luck and reverted to type, what a hilarious ending to that match.
I think Spurs could lose all their away games left. If they don't beat Man. United maximum points haul is 60 points (and beating Palace and Brentford at home is far from a given).
We can finish above Spurs and so can Brighton.
Post by: Beard82 on April 15, 2023, 07:35:04 PM
Would be amazing if we could get top 7 - but for me I the biggest positive is we have finally worked out how to progress - employ the best possible manager we can convince. I think it’s shown how much else we have done right - the squad we have assembled is actually good - and the signings not as bad as we feared - combined with enjoying the A Ramsey and Archer on loan - I think we can see that we’re heading in the right direction
Keep backing Unai and success will come sooner or later
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 15, 2023, 07:38:21 PM
Would be nice time finally beat Brentford.
Post by: Dave on April 15, 2023, 07:44:42 PM
Keep on winning and you never know.
Would be nice time finally beat Brentford.
Didn't we smash them last time we played them?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 15, 2023, 07:45:46 PM
Keep on winning and you never know.
Would be nice time finally beat Brentford.
Didn't we smash them last time we played them?
I just assumed he meant at Brentford.
Post by: Beard82 on April 15, 2023, 07:56:58 PM
Keep on winning and you never know.Yeah 100% - I’m loving the ride - just looking at it from the perspective of it would be an unreal achievement, and not to get too hung up on it.
Would be nice time finally beat Brentford.
Post by: not3bad on April 15, 2023, 08:23:07 PM
Keep on winning and you never know.
Would be nice time finally beat Brentford.
Didn't we smash them last time we played them?
I just assumed he meant at Brentford.
That would be fantastic though I'd regret not living in Ealing any more.
Post by: IFWaters on April 15, 2023, 09:12:29 PM
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Post by: bob on April 15, 2023, 09:42:25 PM
Why are we talking about 5Th?
Amen brother
Post by: hipkiss92 on April 15, 2023, 11:13:51 PM
If we were to finish above Brighton, say in 5th or 6th position, could Brighton winning the FA Cup be a bad thing for us?
No, unless Man U also drop put of the top 5. Currently top 6 will get Europe, assuming Man U finish in top 5, their ECL plave from winning the Lague Cup goes to 6th place.
Brighton would have to finish 8th, win the cup and us finish 7th for us to miss out that route.
Post by: Steve67 on April 15, 2023, 11:34:40 PM
Post by: algy on April 16, 2023, 06:27:39 AM
It's a Europa Conference place for the League Cup :)If we were to finish above Brighton, say in 5th or 6th position, could Brighton winning the FA Cup be a bad thing for us?
No, unless Man U also drop put of the top 5. Currently top 6 will get Europe, assuming Man U finish in top 5, their ECL plave from winning the Lague Cup goes to 6th place.
Brighton would have to finish 8th, win the cup and us finish 7th for us to miss out that route.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 16, 2023, 11:33:10 AM
Post by: Steve67 on April 16, 2023, 11:36:18 AM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on April 16, 2023, 11:38:15 AM
Apart from the odd spare, a lot of us are muscled out of purchasing away tickets due to the away ticket mafia (*away fans buying up the tickets regardless of whether they're going or not, just to stay ahead in the priority list).
Post by: john e on April 16, 2023, 11:38:48 AM
I'm more confident about us finishing above Spurs than I am of us finishing above Brighton and Liverpool, which is a bit odd given the table.
Spurs next 3 fixtures. Newcastle, Man United, Liverpool
Post by: Nii Lamptey on April 16, 2023, 11:39:39 AM
I'm more confident about us finishing above Spurs than I am of us finishing above Brighton and Liverpool, which is a bit odd given the table.
I'm in that same boat. I think Spurs are now a busted flush and no way will they acrue anything like the points we'll get before now and end of season. Brighton are in a similar vein of form to us, and both them and Liverpool have a few games in hand to play with too.
Post by: clash city rocker on April 16, 2023, 11:44:54 AM
Post by: john e on April 16, 2023, 11:50:49 AM
I told my younger kids a while ago when qualification was a distant possibility that if we made it I would take them to every game in Europe
I did the same in 98 with my older kids and that cost me dear as well but all well worth it
(I realise it sounds like it compares me to Rod Stewart with all them kids of differing ages which is true apart from the lack of money)
Post by: Chris Smith on April 16, 2023, 11:58:47 AM
On the night we lost at Fulham the calculations were more likely to be about how many points we needed for survival. It’s just beyond anything any of us could have hoped for and contrary to my concerns when this thread kicked off I now reckon if we do qualify we’ll make a success of it such is the confidence this manager instills.
Post by: Baldy on April 16, 2023, 12:02:45 PM
Post by: john e on April 16, 2023, 12:03:20 PM
8th position would have been sensational
Now finishing 8th will be a disappointment because we miss out on the European spots such has been the change in our expectation levels under Emery
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 16, 2023, 12:10:44 PM
If the 2 Manchester clubs contest the FA Cup final and finish in the top 4, will it means an extra Euro place?
The cup winner's Europa spot will revert to league position.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 16, 2023, 12:16:39 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 16, 2023, 12:17:48 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on April 16, 2023, 12:18:15 PM
Post by: Risso on April 16, 2023, 12:18:41 PM
Post by: olaftab on April 16, 2023, 12:53:07 PM
Post by: Smirker on April 16, 2023, 02:08:27 PM
Fun fact. The night we sacked Gerrard we were 2 points behind Southampton. We're now 27 points ahead and going for Europe while they need a miracle to stay up.
Fun facts are rarely fun but this one is incredible.
Post by: eamonn on April 16, 2023, 03:09:45 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 16, 2023, 03:14:04 PM
Hope Brighton get 4th and pip Spurs and Newcastle. They play far better football than either. I think we could catch Tottenham, they're just a plodding back of spuds these days.
Only if we get 3rd. 8)
Post by: eamonn on April 16, 2023, 03:28:06 PM
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Post by: chrisw1 on April 16, 2023, 04:25:23 PM
But even if we fall away and end up 8th, it will still have been a superb effort and an excellent launching pad for the summer and next season.
Post by: Risso on April 16, 2023, 05:14:14 PM
Click for full joke...
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Out xG yesterday was 1.87, despite having the ball in the net 4 times, hitting the woodwork twice and forcing Pope into a number of good saves.
Post by: Monty on April 16, 2023, 05:18:02 PM
It doesn't work for teams because you're trying to define what's a 'good chance' by what the average finishing ability is of all teams in the league - which makes no sense, because the whole point is to measure who's better at finishing!
So, in short, time to file under 'Bollocks'.
Post by: Ads on April 16, 2023, 05:34:13 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 16, 2023, 06:16:22 PM
I notice that Brighton have a lot of fairly easy games, the biggest problem for them is the sheer number of them.
I don’t think we can catch Newcastle or Manure that leaves
Liverpool Spuds Brighton and us slugging it out for 6th and 5th.
Post by: Smirker on April 16, 2023, 06:26:16 PM
I think we need a Run in thread.
I notice that Brighton have a lot of fairly easy games, the biggest problem for them is the sheer number of them.
I don’t think we can catch Newcastle or Manure that leaves
Liverpool Spuds Brighton and us slugging it out for 6th and 7th.
We can definitely catch Newcastle.
Post by: olaftab on April 16, 2023, 06:34:49 PM
I think we need a Run in thread.Who are you giving 5th to? ;)
I notice that Brighton have a lot of fairly easy games, the biggest problem for them is the sheer number of them.
I don’t think we can catch Newcastle or Manure that leaves
Liverpool Spuds Brighton and us slugging it out for 6th and 7th.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 16, 2023, 06:37:45 PM
sorry I mean 5th 6th.I think we need a Run in thread.Who are you giving 5th to? ;)
I notice that Brighton have a lot of fairly easy games, the biggest problem for them is the sheer number of them.
I don’t think we can catch Newcastle or Manure that leaves
Liverpool Spuds Brighton and us slugging it out for 6th and 7th.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 16, 2023, 06:37:56 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 16, 2023, 06:42:26 PM
If West Ham win the Europa Conference will that be one spot (7th) gone and 6th would be conference?
It's refreshing to see you posting about fewer spaces being available.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 16, 2023, 06:42:30 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 16, 2023, 06:50:11 PM
Is there something like the last season's BBC PL Predictor where we can put in the predicted results of the remaining games?
Ive just done my own version for the relegation battle and I’ve got Southampton bottom followed by Leeds and Leicester, with Forest and Everton escaping by one point and West Ham, Bournemouth and Wolves further ahead, my own bias maybe coming into it with Leeds, given Forests run in. Not sure i can face predicting our final points tally, too nervy.
Post by: Bad English on April 16, 2023, 06:50:57 PM
Click for full joke...I like that. It's gone in my Villa album on FB.
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Post by: LeeB on April 16, 2023, 06:57:53 PM
Click for full joke...I like that. It's gone in my Villa album on FB.
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I don't think they helped themselves with that Tifo video as if I had a picture in my mind of some generic football slightly hipster twat wanking on about xg, yer man was it.
Post by: maidstonevillain on April 16, 2023, 07:08:47 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 16, 2023, 07:09:44 PM
Loving this.
Post by: LeeB on April 16, 2023, 07:15:27 PM
It's slightly mental that this thread even exists.
Loving this.
It's mental that it's gone from 'remote possibility' to 'which kind of Europe?' in just about a fortnight
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 16, 2023, 07:15:40 PM
I'm not giving up on 4th yet, no matter how unlikely. Once you're into a 7/8/9 game shootout anything can happen. Clubs could tank, injuries happen, including to us.Yes but Newcastle have a lot of easier games and I can see them getting 68 points unless they blow up of course.
Post by: LeeB on April 16, 2023, 07:17:45 PM
I'm not giving up on 4th yet, no matter how unlikely. Once you're into a 7/8/9 game shootout anything can happen. Clubs could tank, injuries happen, including to us.Yes but Newcastle have a lot of easier games and I can see them getting 68 points unless they blow up of course.
Yesterday was the kind of beating that leaves scars.
Post by: Smithy on April 16, 2023, 07:19:06 PM
Hope Brighton get 4th and pip Spurs and Newcastle. They play far better football than either. I think we could catch Tottenham, they're just a plodding bag of spuds these days.
Of any of the teams to get 4th ahead of us, Brighton would be my pick, but only because the other two would “capitalise” on it to a far greater degree than Brighton could, which could make them even stronger opposition for a top 4 place next season. Brighton, I suspect, would enjoy the European adventure, but not really push on, a la Leicester.
Post by: maidstonevillain on April 16, 2023, 07:20:14 PM
I'm not giving up on 4th yet, no matter how unlikely. Once you're into a 7/8/9 game shootout anything can happen. Clubs could tank, injuries happen, including to us.Yes but Newcastle have a lot of easier games and I can see them getting 68 points unless they blow up of course.
With the exception of Chelsea last game of the season, none of Newcastle's opponents are on the beach. They are all fighting for something.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 16, 2023, 07:25:26 PM
I'm not giving up on 4th yet, no matter how unlikely. Once you're into a 7/8/9 game shootout anything can happen. Clubs could tank, injuries happen, including to us.Yes but Newcastle have a lot of easier games and I can see them getting 68 points unless they blow up of course.
Exactly, clubs "could" tank. They may not but no chance i'm giving up on it yet.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 16, 2023, 07:31:01 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 16, 2023, 07:34:47 PM
Yesterday was the kind of beating that leaves scars.
Pretty sure I heard Howe saying yesterday that they'll have to see whether it was a one-off or Emery had figured out how to beat them, and that if it's the latter other teams might emulate Unai's tactics.
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 16, 2023, 07:41:53 PM
Yesterday was the kind of beating that leaves scars.
Pretty sure I heard Howe saying yesterday that they'll have to see whether it was a one-off or Emery had figured out how to beat them, and that if it's the latter other teams might emulate Unai's tactics.
That happened with us with, West Ham last year, I think it was.
They pressed really high & aggressively & comfortably beat us. Leeds (I think) followed suit & it became standard for all teams to put pressure on the back four & it affected us quite badly.
Post by: nigel on April 16, 2023, 07:44:03 PM
If Newcastle beat Spurs that would put Spurs well and truly in the mix for the 5th-7th places with us, BHA and Liverpool.
Given the respective run in fixtures you’d expect Brighton and Liverpool to overhaul us and Spurs.
And the way Spurs are playing they could easily be the team to fall short in 8th place.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 16, 2023, 07:49:30 PM
2020, avoid relegation? Likewise.
2023, sneak 4th? Never say never...
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 16, 2023, 07:51:26 PM
Our goal difference is pretty poor, compared to the others, so could play a big part.
If Newcastle beat Spurs that would put Spurs well and truly in the mix for the 5th-7th places with us, BHA and Liverpool.
Given the respective run in fixtures you’d expect Brighton and Liverpool to overhaul us and Spurs.
And the way Spurs are playing they could easily be the team to fall short in 8th place.
Agree with this. Liverpool's run-in is the easiest on paper and we may need to beat them at Anfield to have a chance of finishing above them.
Post by: algy on April 16, 2023, 07:54:49 PM
They have Spurs next then I think Arsenal a couple of weeks later. Make a mess of those, they'd be in with the pack and potential implosion material.I'm not giving up on 4th yet, no matter how unlikely. Once you're into a 7/8/9 game shootout anything can happen. Clubs could tank, injuries happen, including to us.Yes but Newcastle have a lot of easier games and I can see them getting 68 points unless they blow up of course.
Admittedly there's some huge "if"s there, and honestly I'm expecting us to be 7th or 8th once teams have caught up their games in hand ... but still, it's nice to be dreaming up possibilities of us qualifying for Europe rather than working out what needs to happen to avoid relegation.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on April 16, 2023, 07:54:57 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 16, 2023, 08:18:00 PM
we could do with Leeds finding one of those performances tomorrow night, agree we will definitely need something at Anfield.Our goal difference is pretty poor, compared to the others, so could play a big part.
If Newcastle beat Spurs that would put Spurs well and truly in the mix for the 5th-7th places with us, BHA and Liverpool.
Given the respective run in fixtures you’d expect Brighton and Liverpool to overhaul us and Spurs.
And the way Spurs are playing they could easily be the team to fall short in 8th place.
Agree with this. Liverpool's run-in is the easiest on paper and we may need to beat them at Anfield to have a chance of finishing above them.
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 16, 2023, 08:20:17 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 16, 2023, 08:23:38 PM
If West Ham win the Europa Conference will that be one spot (7th) gone and 6th would be conference?
It's refreshing to see you posting about fewer spaces being available.
Ha ha, marvellous work!
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 16, 2023, 08:24:40 PM
The way Liverpool been playing,I won't be surprised at there results, they had there cup final by beating ManchesterThey are getting a few players back their run in
Leeds A
Forest H
West Ham A
Spurs H
Fulham H
Brentford H
Leicester A
AVFC H
Southampton A
Post by: Dave P on April 16, 2023, 08:31:44 PM
I can see this thread turning into disappointment we’re in the Conference League after we were still in the champions league lox with 2/3 games to go.
Post by: Holte L2 on April 16, 2023, 08:31:50 PM
The way Liverpool been playing,I won't be surprised at there results, they had there cup final by beating ManchesterThey are getting a few players back their run in
Leeds A
Forest H
West Ham A
Spurs H
Fulham H
Brentford H
Leicester A
AVFC H
Southampton A
It sounds crazy but I could see Liverpool slipping up at West Ham and Leicester.
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 16, 2023, 08:35:49 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 16, 2023, 08:37:57 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 16, 2023, 09:21:47 PM
Post by: paul_e on April 16, 2023, 09:25:02 PM
Was reading that the trouble with xG is that it should only be used to try and measure individual strikers, i.e. just because one scores 5 in 10 and another 2 maybe the latter just plays in a crap team and doesn't get high quality chances.
It doesn't work for teams because you're trying to define what's a 'good chance' by what the average finishing ability is of all teams in the league - which makes no sense, because the whole point is to measure who's better at finishing!
So, in short, time to file under 'Bollocks'.
Bit behind here but this was basically the point I was trying to make all week. xG is based on averages, because it's the only thing you can base it on, but that means too many things aren't accounted for for it to be used as some people have tried to.
What xG is useful for is getting an understanding of how well you're creating opportunities and how well your strikers are doing to get into positions. When Smith mentioned it as a sign that we weren't miles away from sorting ourselves out he was using it in the right way, we were creating chances, our strikers were getting on the end of them but we just needed a bit of confidence and composure. Not long later we had the fantastic start to the following season and looked like we might be on for a push for Europe until Grealish got injured and our form collapsed.
Once you're actually scoring goals using xG to suggest you're not playing as well as the results suggest is just bad analysis.
Post by: Smirker on April 16, 2023, 09:32:23 PM
2019, promotion? No effing chance.
2020, avoid relegation? Likewise.
2023, sneak 4th? Never say never...
Love this post mate.
I think we could do it at the expense of Newcastle.
Its only 6 points.
I really think we have a chance.
Post by: Monty on April 16, 2023, 09:35:22 PM
Somehow caring more about some fashionable stat than about an actual massive winning run is the closest I've come across in real life to that story.
Post by: eamonn on April 16, 2023, 09:52:19 PM
By the end of October, the only immediate target was to remain a PL club. Pretty sure Unai said that getting us into Europe at some point of his tenure was the positive aim spoken about in interviews but it still felt abstract at the time.
Even with the above targets achieved, you could then spend millions and who knows how many years trying to make that perceived, one last step, to the top four and the "promised land " of top-level players and sponsors, and nu-fans and TV income it would promise to attract.
The idea that all of that could in theory, be up-ended in the next few weeks - that we could conceivably (if improbably) finish 4th in a season where any target other than mediocrity wouldn't have come within an ass's roar of being an objective at the start is just remarkable.
Football must be infuriating to plan for by people who run clubs. Momentum can take on such a life of its own, for good or bad. We've known plenty of the latter, and we've waited 25 years for the fun side of the see-saw. We've paid our dues, maybe it's finally time to cash (Metty Cesh!) in...
Post by: IFWaters on April 16, 2023, 10:22:25 PM
Post by: Smirker on April 16, 2023, 10:30:33 PM
Finishing top 4 again while playing CL football would be more difficult but that's what we want surely.
Post by: Martyn Smith on April 16, 2023, 10:46:10 PM
Brighton are excellent at the moment and have two games in hand over us, two games incidentally which, incredibly at this stage of the season have yet to be scheduled. They do have to face both Arsenal and Man City however, so arguably have the tougher run in. Plus they have the distraction of the FA Cup.
The best thing about all this is that after Stevenage the press were saying that Villa face a 'featureless' rest of season. I agreed at the time and am delighted that that will not be the case.
Who would've thought at the start of the season that a game at home to Brighton on the final day could possibly have so much riding on it? At this end of the table at least...
Post by: algy on April 16, 2023, 10:46:10 PM
However we do now, it's a marvelous turnaround to end up with a probable top half finish. We may well break in to that top 7/8 that even some Villa supporters were saying was a far off target. We've done well, and even if we don't end up Europe we mustn't lose sight of that.
All that said, right now it feels like we're very much in contention for Europe. Think we're capable, at a push, of catching up Newcastle. I guess by the same token we could, just, get caught by either Brentford or Fulham.
I dunno. I think we could get in the Champions League, I'll not be that disappointed if we end up in 8th or 9th. Hoping for European football in some form.
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 16, 2023, 11:20:36 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on April 16, 2023, 11:29:44 PM
You'd expect Liverpool and Chelsea to pick up next season so this is a great opportunity to secure European football
Any form of European football back at Villa Park would be incredible.
Post by: Pete3206 on April 16, 2023, 11:36:02 PM
Post by: Smirker on April 17, 2023, 12:02:44 AM
CL requires too many teams in good form above us to have downturns.
Brighton are excellent at the moment and have two games in hand over us, two games incidentally which, incredibly at this stage of the season have yet to be scheduled. They do have to face both Arsenal and Man City however, so arguably have the tougher run in. Plus they have the distraction of the FA Cup.
The best thing about all this is that after Stevenage the press were saying that Villa face a 'featureless' rest of season. I agreed at the time and am delighted that that will not be the case.
Who would've thought at the start of the season that a game at home to Brighton on the final day could possibly have so much riding on it? At this end of the table at least...
We're only outside the top 4 by two places. We only need two teams to dip slightly. Its doable.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 17, 2023, 12:25:20 AM
Brighton have to play Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Newcastle and us.
Spurs have to play Newcastle, Man Utd, Liverpool, us as well as derbys with Palace and Brentford.
Newcastle probably have the easiest run but they aren't all that.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 17, 2023, 01:02:09 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 17, 2023, 02:54:16 AM
We need 3 to dip with Brighton. Brighton could get bogged down by fixtures, Spurs we know seem to be bonkers at present and Newcastle have just had a ropey 8 games run. It's unlikely we'll make top 4 or 5, but not impossible.
Brighton have to play Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Newcastle and us.
Spurs have to play Newcastle, Man Utd, Liverpool, us as well as derbys with Palace and Brentford.
Newcastle probably have the easiest run but they aren't all that.
Dey ain't derbies, bruv.
Post by: algy on April 17, 2023, 07:16:06 AM
I reckon to get 4th we would probably need to complete a 12 game winning run. Don't get me wrong I think we'll win quite a few more I just don't think it'll quite be enough. We're talking Man City levels of runs. We're bound to have an off day or get shafted by a shit handball. I reckon Brighton will get 5th, they're consistently creating a shit tonne against teams, and it'll be a 2 way battle for 6th with Liverpool. Spurs are genuinely shite and I have no idea how they have managed to stay this close to 4th for this long. I know we embarrassed Newcastle but they must have one of the best defences in the league for a reason, unfortunately I think they'll stick it. If anything I think Man United might be more catchable.Nah, were talking Aston Villa levels of run. Unai Emery's going to go on a Dean Smith-esque run, and we're going to win our Champions League Playoff final against Brighton on the last day, 2-1. Goals from McGinn and El Ghazi.
Post by: nigel on April 17, 2023, 08:26:36 AM
There are some decent team in this year’s competition, but we would stand a chance of progressing quite far, look at WHU.
We’ve certainly got the manager and we have the owners who will back him.
We have a team that can do the business, but not the squad to compete on all fronts, again, look at WHU
Post by: algy on April 17, 2023, 08:40:19 AM
It would be amazing to be playing in Europe, so I certainly wouldn’t say ‘no’ to the European Conference.That's how I'm seeing it. The strength of the Premier League is such that you'd think whichever English side qualifies for it would fancy their chances of doing well.
There are some decent team in this year’s competition, but we would stand a chance of progressing quite far, look at WHU.
We’ve certainly got the manager and we have the owners who will back him.
We have a team that can do the business, but not the squad to compete on all fronts, again, look at WHU
For me, with the young players coming through - Ramsey A, Archer, maybe Iroegbunam - we need the extra games Europe offers.
That's the odd thing really. There's been all this call to reduce games - getting rid of FA Cup replays, 2 leg League Cup games etc, on the basis of it being too many games, and it's all been to accommodate half a dozen clubs who actually want more games (in Europe). It's less mysterious when you start thinking about money, of course, but still....
Post by: OCD on April 17, 2023, 11:32:29 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 17, 2023, 11:39:18 AM
I'm not sure how much use it will be for our youngsters though, I imagine we would be very cautious about playing significantly weakened teams, particularly after the Stevenag debacle.
Post by: Dave on April 17, 2023, 11:46:12 AM
I'm not that excited about the European Conference and winning it would hardly feel like a major trophy.
While I don't want to second-guess your feelings, I bet you that the morning of the final next year if we're playing in it, you'll feel differently.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 17, 2023, 11:49:36 AM
I'd want to win it, but it wouldn't change my view that it's not a major trophy. It would feel more like the Charity Shield.I'm not that excited about the European Conference and winning it would hardly feel like a major trophy.
While I don't want to second-guess your feelings, I bet you that the morning of the final next year if we're playing in it, you'll feel differently.
Post by: LeeB on April 17, 2023, 11:51:51 AM
Post by: eamonn on April 17, 2023, 11:53:11 AM
I'd want to win it, but it wouldn't change my view that it's not a major trophy. It would feel more like the Charity Shield.I'm not that excited about the European Conference and winning it would hardly feel like a major trophy.
While I don't want to second-guess your feelings, I bet you that the morning of the final next year if we're playing in it, you'll feel differently.
What? No way. We'll have had to travel round the continent to make it to the final, having beaten some decent sides en route. It would be satisfying. The Comms Shield is just something for the FA Cup to wipe its arse with.
In the words of Liam Gallagher, "Come on, y'know"?
Post by: Risso on April 17, 2023, 11:58:03 AM
I'm not that excited about the European Conference and winning it would hardly feel like a major trophy. BUT you would think if that's where we end up then playing in it would give us fantastic experience for our challenge to win Emery's favourite pot the following season.
I'm not sure how much use it will be for our youngsters though, I imagine we would be very cautious about playing significantly weakened teams, particularly after the Stevenag debacle.
I'd be hugely excited to win it, and it leads into the Europa League so that's another plus. What we need is a squad capable of challenging at the top end of the league, and for the domestic cups and in Europe. We won't be able to do that with the team like it is now, ie with the same 12 or 13 players week in, week out, it's not 1981 any more. What we can't have either though, are cup or European games where we just dump 3 or 4 kids in, plus 3 or 4 players who don't play much, and expect to get very far. It's very rarely worked out well for us. What you want is a squad where say, Aaron Ramsey can come in for JJ, or Iroegbunam for Luiz or Kamara, and still have a seamless playing style but maintain 90% plus playing ability.
And never, ever, Robin Olsen. Ever. Nuh uh.
Post by: itbrvilla on April 17, 2023, 11:59:14 AM
We need 3 to dip with Brighton. Brighton could get bogged down by fixtures, Spurs we know seem to be bonkers at present and Newcastle have just had a ropey 8 games run. It's unlikely we'll make top 4 or 5, but not impossible.Think you're right. Newcastle and Man U run -ins are, on paper, more favourable than ours. but if we can get 9 points from our next 4 games including 3 vs Man U, I might change me mind. I just hope our win on Sat makes Newcastle Have a wobble.
Brighton have to play Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Newcastle and us.
Spurs have to play Newcastle, Man Utd, Liverpool, us as well as derbys with Palace and Brentford.
Newcastle probably have the easiest run but they aren't all that.
Post by: algy on April 17, 2023, 11:59:37 AM
I would like us to win the Europa League before we start routinelyFTFYqualifying forwinning the Champions League every year.
Post by: Holte L2 on April 17, 2023, 12:00:38 PM
I'm not that excited about the European Conference and winning it would hardly feel like a major trophy. BUT you would think if that's where we end up then playing in it would give us fantastic experience for our challenge to win Emery's favourite pot the following season.
I'm not sure how much use it will be for our youngsters though, I imagine we would be very cautious about playing significantly weakened teams, particularly after the Stevenag debacle.
I'd be hugely excited to win it, and it leads into the Europa League so that's another plus. What we need is a squad capable of challenging at the top end of the league, and for the domestic cups and in Europe. We won't be able to do that with the team like it is now, ie with the same 12 or 13 players week in, week out, it's not 1981 any more. What we can't have either though, are cup or European games where we just dump 3 or 4 kids in, plus 3 or 4 players who don't play much, and expect to get very far. It's very rarely worked out well for us. What you want is a squad where say, Aaron Ramsey can come in for JJ, or Iroegbunam for Luiz or Kamara, and still have a seamless playing style but maintain 90% plus playing ability.
And never, ever, Robin Olsen. Ever. Nuh uh.
I'd be hugely excited to win it too. I heard that John Townley on the Claret and Blue podcast say that he wouldn't be excited to see us win it!!! What an idiot!!
Post by: chrisw1 on April 17, 2023, 12:02:46 PM
Post by: LeeB on April 17, 2023, 12:05:34 PM
I'm not that excited about the European Conference and winning it would hardly feel like a major trophy. BUT you would think if that's where we end up then playing in it would give us fantastic experience for our challenge to win Emery's favourite pot the following season.
I'm not sure how much use it will be for our youngsters though, I imagine we would be very cautious about playing significantly weakened teams, particularly after the Stevenag debacle.
I'd be hugely excited to win it, and it leads into the Europa League so that's another plus. What we need is a squad capable of challenging at the top end of the league, and for the domestic cups and in Europe. We won't be able to do that with the team like it is now, ie with the same 12 or 13 players week in, week out, it's not 1981 any more. What we can't have either though, are cup or European games where we just dump 3 or 4 kids in, plus 3 or 4 players who don't play much, and expect to get very far. It's very rarely worked out well for us. What you want is a squad where say, Aaron Ramsey can come in for JJ, or Iroegbunam for Luiz or Kamara, and still have a seamless playing style but maintain 90% plus playing ability.
And never, ever, Robin Olsen. Ever. Nuh uh.
Not even against the teams from Gibraltar.
I don't see Emery doing the 'complete 11' change for 'lesser' games like some managers would either (especially since the Stevenage debacle), I think the youngsters would see more league game time too, the likes of McGinn and Mings are not going to want to have worked their bollocks off at their career stage only to sit on the bench for European games, and the aim really is to get those youngsters comfortable and dialled into playing in the first team when needed.
Post by: AV82EC on April 17, 2023, 12:24:53 PM
Seems like I agree with John. I think playing in it would be a very useful exercise in our development though and a bit of fun for the fans.
Come on Chris, just live the dream a little bit you miserable sod. If you can’t get excited about a bit of European action no matter how minor you think it is, (I’d put it on at least par with the European cup Winners Cup as was) then really what’s the point?
Post by: not3bad on April 17, 2023, 12:25:08 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 17, 2023, 12:32:08 PM
Post by: FatSam on April 17, 2023, 12:36:11 PM
I'd be hugely excited to win it too. I heard that John Townley on the Claret and Blue podcast say that he wouldn't be excited to see us win it!!! What an idiot!!I know. His argument was that it’s a made-up competition. They’re all made-up competitions. William McGregor made-up a competition FFS. Of course, it’s not as prestigious as the Europa League, or Champions League, but still.
Post by: AV82EC on April 17, 2023, 12:41:01 PM
I'd be hugely excited to win it too. I heard that John Townley on the Claret and Blue podcast say that he wouldn't be excited to see us win it!!! What an idiot!!I know. His argument was that it’s a made-up competition. They’re all made-up competitions. William McGregor made-up a competition FFS. Of course, it’s not as prestigious as the Europa League, or Champions League, but still.
As I said earlier it’s on a par with the European Cup Winners Cup at least and as most clubs who won that have it in their trophy records I’m not going to be picky about us including it in ours.
I get well fucked off when fans take the piss out of the League Cup as well, invariably twats from the so called big clubs that’s its Mickey Mouse etc etc. it’s funny how the League cup wins always get included in the trophy count?
Post by: Dave on April 17, 2023, 01:11:05 PM
I'd be hugely excited to win it too. I heard that John Townley on the Claret and Blue podcast say that he wouldn't be excited to see us win it!!! What an idiot!!I know. His argument was that it’s a made-up competition. They’re all made-up competitions. William McGregor made-up a competition FFS. Of course, it’s not as prestigious as the Europa League, or Champions League, but still.
We're also not really in a position to see any competition as not important enough for us. I reckon, what, twenty odd English teams have played in Europe since we last did? Including the likes of Birmingham, Hull, Wolves, Swansea, Burnley, Wigan, Newcastle, Southampton, Stoke etc.
It's not impossible that we qualify for this, win it, then circumstance means that the whole thing falls down and and our victory in the Conference League is what we get to point to as our success for the next twenty years.
You might as well enjoy the bits that are good while they are there. Frankly I'll be wetting myself with excitement at the next time we play in Europe, let alone thinking about winning one of the trophies.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 17, 2023, 01:17:10 PM
Post by: Dave P on April 17, 2023, 01:17:58 PM
Post by: Risso on April 17, 2023, 01:20:15 PM
Do the Conference winners qualify for next seasons Europa League? Like Europa winners qualify for the CL?
They do indeed.
Post by: Dave P on April 17, 2023, 01:36:16 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 17, 2023, 01:39:39 PM
So we could find ourselves in the CL in 2 season having won two major European trophies.Well, one major trophy but...
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 17, 2023, 01:47:36 PM
Post by: Mister E on April 17, 2023, 01:48:01 PM
Post by: eamonn on April 17, 2023, 01:48:13 PM
Fair enough. Well let's qualify for it first and if we do I'll certainly be at all the home games at least and delighted to see European nights back at Villa Park. As things stand Juve would be in the conference and who wouldn't be excited about playing them? This fixture I really want back at VP though is Inter.
And after we win, all back to Phil King's pub if he still runs it (somewhere in deepest Wiltshire, wasn't it?).
Post by: chrisw1 on April 17, 2023, 02:00:03 PM
Too right. I remember Phil The King's pen like it was yesterday.Fair enough. Well let's qualify for it first and if we do I'll certainly be at all the home games at least and delighted to see European nights back at Villa Park. As things stand Juve would be in the conference and who wouldn't be excited about playing them? This fixture I really want back at VP though is Inter.
And after we win, all back to Phil King's pub if he still runs it (somewhere in deepest Wiltshire, wasn't it?).
Post by: LeeB on April 17, 2023, 02:02:56 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 17, 2023, 02:06:43 PM
And we moan about impartial commentators for Man Utd etc in Europe.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 17, 2023, 02:17:53 PM
Post by: Duncan Shaw on April 17, 2023, 02:27:26 PM
As an aside, 7 years ago yesterday we went off to Old Trafford to confirm our relegation. In a couple of weeks we'll be heading there wondering which of the 3 European competitions we're in with a shout of.Eugh, was that the night of Van Persie's hat-trick of offsides?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 17, 2023, 02:29:56 PM
As an aside, 7 years ago yesterday we went off to Old Trafford to confirm our relegation. In a couple of weeks we'll be heading there wondering which of the 3 European competitions we're in with a shout of.Eugh, was that the night of Van Persie's hat-trick of offsides?
Nope, we lost 1-0.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on April 17, 2023, 02:34:24 PM
Post by: paul_e on April 17, 2023, 02:43:38 PM
Given the quality of our bench on Saturday, we're going to need 5 or 6 credible incomers and 3-4 youngsters that can properly step up to the mark, in order to manage a 4-competition season.
5-6 would be too many newcomers in my opinion. 3-4 in the summer and the option to add a couple more in January would be better for me. I think having a slightly smaller squad has helped us in the last few months because there's a togetherness and tactical/coaching focus that is getting the best out of the squad right now, i wouldn't want to disrupt that too much. With our injury and loan list we've already got a lot to add back in over the summer
Post by: darren woolley on April 17, 2023, 02:45:04 PM
Post by: LeeB on April 17, 2023, 03:19:09 PM
Given the quality of our bench on Saturday, we're going to need 5 or 6 credible incomers and 3-4 youngsters that can properly step up to the mark, in order to manage a 4-competition season.
5-6 would be too many newcomers in my opinion. 3-4 in the summer and the option to add a couple more in January would be better for me. I think having a slightly smaller squad has helped us in the last few months because there's a togetherness and tactical/coaching focus that is getting the best out of the squad right now, i wouldn't want to disrupt that too much. With our injury and loan list we've already got a lot to add back in over the summer
Yes, 3-4 first team ready players plus the lads out on loan now and we'll be in good shape.
Post by: London Villan on April 17, 2023, 03:51:16 PM
For the record, I've got us 5th on 63 points.
Post by: nigel on April 17, 2023, 03:52:02 PM
I'd want to win it, but it wouldn't change my view that it's not a major trophy. It would feel more like the Charity Shield.I'm not that excited about the European Conference and winning it would hardly feel like a major trophy.
While I don't want to second-guess your feelings, I bet you that the morning of the final next year if we're playing in it, you'll feel differently.
I’d settle for a Charity Shield win
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 17, 2023, 04:05:08 PM
Predict away... https://www.worldfootball.net/table_calculator/eng-premier-league
For the record, I've got us 5th on 63 points.
That's losing two and drawing two of our last 7. Lose to ManU and Liverpool and 2 draws from the rest?
I'm going for maximum points 71 and 4th spot .....because I can.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 17, 2023, 04:06:25 PM
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Post by: Drummond on April 17, 2023, 04:08:53 PM
Predict away... https://www.worldfootball.net/table_calculator/eng-premier-league
For the record, I've got us 5th on 63 points.
I've got us 5th on 66 and we needed to beat Brighton to finish ahead of them.
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 17, 2023, 04:10:32 PM
5-6 would be too many newcomers in my opinion. 3-4 in the summer and the option to add a couple more in January would be better for me. I think having a slightly smaller squad has helped us in the last few months because there's a togetherness and tactical/coaching focus that is getting the best out of the squad right now, i wouldn't want to disrupt that too much.
Totally agree, and this ties into what I was saying about being (bizarrely and illogically) worried that bringing new players will upset the apple cart.
Post by: London Villan on April 17, 2023, 04:13:24 PM
Post by: Risso on April 17, 2023, 04:17:35 PM
This was my effort. Other than us, Liverpool really have got a piss easy run in.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 17, 2023, 04:35:18 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 17, 2023, 04:35:52 PM
1 Manchester City 38 30 4 4 95:31:00 64 94
2 Arsenal FC 38 28 6 4 86:38:00 48 90
3 Manchester United 38 25 6 7 59:43:00 16 81
4 Newcastle United 38 21 13 4 60:28:00 32 76
5 Liverpool FC 38 20 9 9 68:40:00 28 69
6 Aston Villa 38 20 5 13 54:46:00 8 65
7 Tottenham Hotspur 38 19 6 13 65:53:00 12 63
8 Brighton & 38 17 10 11 65:47:00 18 61
9 Brentford FC 38 12 13 13 53:51:00 2 49
10 Chelsea FC 38 13 9 16 39:42:00 -3 48
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 17, 2023, 04:41:44 PM
We have 4 first teamers to come back into this squad too. Cash, Phil, Carlos and Bouba. The summer shopping is going to very much depend on Europe or no Europe.
I think you're ignoring the domestics cups we're going to win. ;)
Post by: Dave on April 17, 2023, 04:54:19 PM
Post by: algy on April 17, 2023, 05:24:38 PM
1. Manc City
2. Arsenal
3. Manc Utd
4. Saudi Arabia
5. Liverpool
6. Spurs
7. Us
8. Brighton
9. Brentford
10. Fulham
11. Chelsea
12. Palace
13. Bournemouth
14. Wolves
15. WHam
16. Forest
17. Leicester
18. Leeds
19. Everton
20. Soton
But with the bolded ones so close it could be in any order (as I'd put every result in as 1-0 or 0-0, and there were a few that I thought could go either way).
Post by: four fornicholl on April 17, 2023, 05:49:26 PM
Post by: john e on April 17, 2023, 06:12:10 PM
Post by: Bad English on April 17, 2023, 06:14:45 PM
I’ve just changed my ringtone to the champions league anthem, winding my mates up no end and making me giggle like a schoolgirl, in equal measures.Just having any ringtone winds me up. Why do some people still let their phones blare out any old shit in public?
Post by: Holte L2 on April 17, 2023, 06:25:55 PM
I’d take European conference league today in a flash
Me too!!!
Post by: four fornicholl on April 17, 2023, 06:54:14 PM
Like I said , to wind my workmates up, as you know, it works! UTVI’ve just changed my ringtone to the champions league anthem, winding my mates up no end and making me giggle like a schoolgirl, in equal measures.Just having any ringtone winds me up. Why do some people still let their phones blare out any old shit in public?
Post by: TaxDodger on April 17, 2023, 07:05:06 PM
Post by: Bad English on April 17, 2023, 07:18:37 PM
Fair play in this context, obviously!Like I said , to wind my workmates up, as you know, it works! UTVI’ve just changed my ringtone to the champions league anthem, winding my mates up no end and making me giggle like a schoolgirl, in equal measures.Just having any ringtone winds me up. Why do some people still let their phones blare out any old shit in public?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 17, 2023, 07:29:07 PM
I'm not that excited about the European Conference and winning it would hardly feel like a major trophy.
While I don't want to second-guess your feelings, I bet you that the morning of the final next year if we're playing in it, you'll feel differently.
Agreed. I would say it'd be like winning the League Cup, not as good as the FA Cup (Europa League ) or league (Champs League) but would still love to win it and add to our tally of major trophies won.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 17, 2023, 09:00:22 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 17, 2023, 09:14:51 PM
Post by: olaftab on April 17, 2023, 09:29:55 PM
Liverpool going to f*** everything up and win about six straight out of nowhere aren't they....Yes, I am afraid they will however they need to remember that they are a Champions League club and really don’t want to end up in Europa.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 17, 2023, 09:36:04 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 17, 2023, 09:49:35 PM
Post by: FatSam on April 17, 2023, 09:50:51 PM
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 17, 2023, 09:55:18 PM
Post by: AV82EC on April 17, 2023, 09:59:40 PM
7 wins from here gives us a shot at a CL place.
6 wins and I think we’d get Europa League
5 wins and Europa still a possibility if other results went our way but most likely Conf League.
4 wins probably wouldn’t be good enough.
So it’s still a possibility and it’s great we’re even in the conversation.
Really feel we have to win the next two.
Post by: Smirker on April 17, 2023, 10:16:48 PM
Thank you.
Post by: AV82EC on April 17, 2023, 10:35:23 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 17, 2023, 10:48:21 PM
Feels a bit like cup football now with the teams we have to play. We beat Brentford & Fulham next two & there fading challenge is over. Apart from Wolves, every game then has a stake in the European chase for us and whoever we are playing. I think despite our demolition of them on Saturday, Newcastle feel too far ahead, feels mad to say seeing where we have come from, but i think 5th to 7th is between Spurs, Brighton, Liverpool and ourselves. If i was Spurs I would be most nervous.
Since the West Ham draw we’ve had 5 cup finals and won them all. I fancy us to win the next two as well. Then, we’re into major cup finals.
Looked around the Concourse at HT Saturday but must have missed/couldn’t see you.
Post by: olaftab on April 17, 2023, 11:13:34 PM
We win our games remaining we will get a European spot. Need to look after our business and let things play out. It’s in our hands given who we have left to play.Hmmmm…
70+ points CL place but unlikely
65+ points Europa place likely
60+ points Conf place much more likely
Post by: olaftab on April 17, 2023, 11:17:34 PM
And the biggest honour will be me sharing a lemonade with you in a European city before the night of the final😊I'm not that excited about the European Conference and winning it would hardly feel like a major trophy.
While I don't want to second-guess your feelings, I bet you that the morning of the final next year if we're playing in it, you'll feel differently.
Agreed. I would say it'd be like winning the League Cup, not as good as the FA Cup (Europa League ) or league (Champs League) but would still love to win it and add to our tally of major trophies won.
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 17, 2023, 11:39:53 PM
Feels a bit like cup football now with the teams we have to play. We beat Brentford & Fulham next two & there fading challenge is over. Apart from Wolves, every game then has a stake in the European chase for us and whoever we are playing. I think despite our demolition of them on Saturday, Newcastle feel too far ahead, feels mad to say seeing where we have come from, but i think 5th to 7th is between Spurs, Brighton, Liverpool and ourselves. If i was Spurs I would be most nervous.
Since the West Ham draw we’ve had 5 cup finals and won them all. I fancy us to win the next two as well. Then, we’re into major cup finals.
Looked around the Concourse at HT Saturday but must have missed/couldn’t see you.
I got stuck at the bar for first 10 mins of H/T. Ill work out getting my number to you. We all know whats happening though.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 17, 2023, 11:42:20 PM
I'm not that excited about the European Conference and winning it would hardly feel like a major trophy.
While I don't want to second-guess your feelings, I bet you that the morning of the final next year if we're playing in it, you'll feel differently.
Agreed. I would say it'd be like winning the League Cup, not as good as the FA Cup (Europa League ) or league (Champs League) but would still love to win it and add to our tally of major trophies won.
And the biggest honour will be me sharing a lemonade with you in a European city before the night of the final😊
Sounds like a plan to me. Hopefully it will be somewhere 'lively'. 8)
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 18, 2023, 01:06:52 AM
4th Newcastle 31 played- 56 points
5th Spurs- 32 played- 56 points
6th Us- 32 played- 56 points
How insane would that look?!
Brighton don't play league at weekend due to FA cup so they're going to be a bit adrift aswell (with some very difficult spare games).
Post by: olaftab on April 18, 2023, 05:09:34 AM
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 18, 2023, 09:51:05 AM
I hope, if we do, that with all this excitement people don’t find that disappointing.
It would be an extraordinary achievement.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 18, 2023, 09:53:48 AM
Even if the Group is us, Oslo Boslo, Slavia Average, Real 'Not the Deal'Arthitic Madrid, Old Boys,
I did actually play for a team called ALAC it was only a few weeks later I found out it stood for Artificial Limb Allocation Centre.
Post by: algy on April 18, 2023, 10:00:12 AM
St Mirnoff, Outer Milan, ..Even if the Group is us, Oslo Boslo, Slavia Average, Real 'Not the Deal'Arthitic Madrid, Old Boys,
I did actually play for a team called ALAC it was only a few weeks later I found out it stood for Artificial Limb Allocation Centre.
Post by: Smithy on April 18, 2023, 10:07:17 AM
I think we’ll probably finish seventh.
I hope, if we do, that with all this excitement people don’t find that disappointing.
It would be an extraordinary achievement.
It really would, especially when you consider how far back we were when Unai took over. To qualify for Europe from that position at the start of November essentially requires champions league form to the end of the season.
We have a tougher run of games now, but we are capable of beating everyone we have to play. We won't win all of them, obviously, but we can give everyone a proper game now. I can see us getting to 62 points, which should be enough for 7th, but we really need to beat Brentford and Fulham. Win those two and I think we have an outside chance of 6th. I'd love a play-off with Brighton on the final day for the Europa League place.
Post by: LeeB on April 18, 2023, 10:18:28 AM
St Mirnoff, Outer Milan, ..Even if the Group is us, Oslo Boslo, Slavia Average, Real 'Not the Deal'Arthitic Madrid, Old Boys,
I did actually play for a team called ALAC it was only a few weeks later I found out it stood for Artificial Limb Allocation Centre.
Grassmokers of Zurich..
Post by: Dave P on April 18, 2023, 10:36:13 AM
Fair enough. Well let's qualify for it first and if we do I'll certainly be at all the home games at least and delighted to see European nights back at Villa Park. As things stand Juve would be in the conference and who wouldn't be excited about playing them? This fixture I really want back at VP though is Inter.
And after we win, all back to Phil King's pub if he still runs it (somewhere in deepest Wiltshire, wasn't it?).
The Dolphin in Swindon. I was working down there about 5 years ago and I went in knowing it was his pub but not expecting to see him. Anyway, he is in there, comes over to talk to me and, clocking my accent, asks if I'm a Villa fan. I say yes and he straight away mentions his penalty. His wife looks over, rolls her eyes, and says he talks about that to anyone who'll listen.
Post by: Drummond on April 18, 2023, 11:41:27 AM
It's going to be quite a ride, but wow, whatever happens, I'm pleased as punch that with 7 games to go we're talking about Europe, and not when we'll be mathematically safe.
I'm pretty sure that Emery has never finished below 9th at the end of a league season, and I worried he had too much to overcome here, I needn't have.
Post by: rooboy316 on April 18, 2023, 12:33:54 PM
There, I feel less discombobulated already.
Post by: LeeB on April 18, 2023, 12:38:13 PM
I can’t deal with this all of this unbridled optimism. I’m too used to the inevitable disappointments that being a Villa supporter brings. Therefore, my brain expects us to lose to Brentford this weekend, likely from defensive errors made while trying to play it out from the back. We will then go on to finish 9th. Martinez and Kamara will leave (to manu and mancity respectively), and Emery will have health problems and retire a week out from the start of next season.
There, I feel less discombobulated already.
Someone mentioned Unai had a bit of a swollen cheek last night and I too started worrying that some health issue was suddenly going to strike him down, ffs.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 18, 2023, 12:51:28 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 18, 2023, 01:13:37 PM
Someone mentioned Unai had a bit of a swollen cheek last night and I too started worrying that some health issue was suddenly going to strike him down, ffs.
My brother said EXACTLY that to me yesterday!
Post by: Beard82 on April 18, 2023, 01:15:17 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on April 18, 2023, 01:16:30 PM
Someone mentioned Unai had a bit of a swollen cheek last night and I too started worrying that some health issue was suddenly going to strike him down, ffs.
My brother said EXACTLY that to me yesterday!
I spotted that too! Hope it's nothing serious.
Post by: Lsvilla on April 18, 2023, 01:19:17 PM
I would be over the moon if we qualify for any kind of Europe - realistically we need to finish above Brighton, Spurs or Liverpool. I think our games against them will be huge. I’m just hoping we’re still in with a shout when we play Brighton at the end of the seasonAnd they're in the cup final.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 18, 2023, 01:27:48 PM
Someone mentioned Unai had a bit of a swollen cheek last night and I too started worrying that some health issue was suddenly going to strike him down, ffs.
My brother said EXACTLY that to me yesterday!
I spotted that too! Hope it's nothing serious.
Great, now I'm googling health problems associated with swollen cheeks
Post by: eamonn on April 18, 2023, 02:06:33 PM
Fair enough. Well let's qualify for it first and if we do I'll certainly be at all the home games at least and delighted to see European nights back at Villa Park. As things stand Juve would be in the conference and who wouldn't be excited about playing them? This fixture I really want back at VP though is Inter.
And after we win, all back to Phil King's pub if he still runs it (somewhere in deepest Wiltshire, wasn't it?).
The Dolphin in Swindon. I was working down there about 5 years ago and I went in knowing it was his pub but not expecting to see him. Anyway, he is in there, comes over to talk to me and, clocking my accent, asks if I'm a Villa fan. I say yes and he straight away mentions his penalty. His wife looks over, rolls her eyes, and says he talks about that to anyone who'll listen.
Quality! What was he like?
Post by: Smirker on April 18, 2023, 02:38:21 PM
Someone mentioned Unai had a bit of a swollen cheek last night and I too started worrying that some health issue was suddenly going to strike him down, ffs.
My brother said EXACTLY that to me yesterday!
I spotted that too! Hope it's nothing serious.
Probably just bumped into the dugout/benches when ballooning around got our third goal. He's fine 8)
Post by: Smirker on April 18, 2023, 02:41:04 PM
We win our next two and Spurs win at Newcastle and table will look like this:
4th Newcastle 31 played- 56 points
5th Spurs- 32 played- 56 points
6th Us- 32 played- 56 points
How insane would that look?!
Brighton don't play league at weekend due to FA cup so they're going to be a bit adrift aswell (with some very difficult spare games).
That would be unreal. Could well happen too.
I'm excited.
Post by: Villatillidie25 on April 18, 2023, 03:05:10 PM
Post by: LeeB on April 18, 2023, 03:10:31 PM
do we get 6 points for beating Brentford?
We should do for services to football, they're fucking Wimbledon in a shiny stadium and they employ Pontus Jansen.
Post by: Smirker on April 18, 2023, 03:12:09 PM
do we get 6 points for beating Brentford?
We're on 50 now, so if we win our next two we're on 56.
Post by: paul_e on April 18, 2023, 03:16:49 PM
On the prediction thing I did everything until the last 2 and had it that 2 wins would guarantee us 5th place and 1 win would mean 6th.
Post by: Martyn Smith on April 18, 2023, 06:08:53 PM
Post by: algy on April 18, 2023, 06:11:03 PM
One thing that our fate would depend on is the unlikely but not impossible scenario of Sheffield Utd winning the FA Cup. That would reduce the number of places to be gained from league places to just 6. Another scenario is if Man U suffer a catastrophic run in and drop out of the Top 6, they would then take the Conference place by dint of their League Cup win. If both of these things happen, which normally we would want to see happen, we would have to finish 5th to qualify for EuropeI'd think it'd be more likely that Brighton would win the FA Cup but finish outside the top 6...
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 18, 2023, 06:11:36 PM
Post by: Baldy on April 18, 2023, 06:31:48 PM
The last day of the season will some occasion at Villa Park if we have to win against Brighton to get a European spot.
And potentially 5 days before Brighton play in the FA Cup final.
Post by: Beard82 on April 18, 2023, 07:31:23 PM
Can I check - which cheeks is it that are swollen?Someone mentioned Unai had a bit of a swollen cheek last night and I too started worrying that some health issue was suddenly going to strike him down, ffs.
My brother said EXACTLY that to me yesterday!
I spotted that too! Hope it's nothing serious.
Great, now I'm googling health problems associated with swollen cheeks
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 18, 2023, 07:42:17 PM
Can I check - which cheeks is it that are swollen?Someone mentioned Unai had a bit of a swollen cheek last night and I too started worrying that some health issue was suddenly going to strike him down, ffs.
My brother said EXACTLY that to me yesterday!
I spotted that too! Hope it's nothing serious.
Great, now I'm googling health problems associated with swollen cheeks
Haha. Yeah best check that before searching.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on April 18, 2023, 08:46:03 PM
One thing that our fate would depend on is the unlikely but not impossible scenario of Sheffield Utd winning the FA Cup. That would reduce the number of places to be gained from league places to just 6. Another scenario is if Man U suffer a catastrophic run in and drop out of the Top 6, they would then take the Conference place by dint of their League Cup win. If both of these things happen, which normally we would want to see happen, we would have to finish 5th to qualify for Europe
Funnily enough, I have a good friend who's a Blades fan, and in a message I sent him the other day I said how much I'd like to see them beat Man City on Saturday. Since I sent him that message I've been thinking about exactly the thing that's highlighted in the above post.
Post by: FrankyH on April 18, 2023, 09:22:31 PM
Someone mentioned Unai had a bit of a swollen cheek last night and I too started worrying that some health issue was suddenly going to strike him down, ffs.
My brother said EXACTLY that to me yesterday!
I spotted that too! Hope it's nothing serious.
Probably just bumped into the dugout/benches when ballooning around got our third goal. He's fine 8)
I've just watched the Emery Cam video on the Villa website. He does look like Don Corleone. (like he's got cotton wool in his cheeks)
"Hey Eddie , I'm gonna make you an offer you can't refuse.. we'll only score 3 past you today."
Post by: oishiiniku on April 19, 2023, 02:25:34 PM
Post by: LeeB on April 19, 2023, 03:01:13 PM
Although Brighton have games in hand, those fixtures are against Man City and Newcastle and they will have to play them both in May, which means they will have 7 (seven) games that month. Regardless of how well they are doing, having to play weekend and midweek so many times at the end of a season will surely affect them. We, on the other hand are only playing a game a week in May so can prepare a proper tactical plan for each opponent.
I was thinking as well that they rarely have to play in hostile atmospheres, which will change now were at the business end.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 23, 2023, 04:20:50 PM
Final positions
Man City
Arsenal
Newcastle
Man U
Liverpool
Brighton
Aston Villa
Spurs
Post by: Flin5tone on April 23, 2023, 04:32:49 PM
You'd expect next season will be tough to get top 7 so we need to grab this opportunity
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 23, 2023, 04:35:36 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 23, 2023, 04:58:06 PM
Calling it. Spurs’ heads are gone. We are getting 7th, they will finish 8th.
Final positions
Man City
Arsenal
Newcastle
Man U
Liverpool
Brighton
Aston Villa
Spurs
If Brighton finish above us it will be on goal difference. I think we'll finish above them, all decided on the last game of the season.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 23, 2023, 05:04:56 PM
Calling it. Spurs’ heads are gone. We are getting 7th, they will finish 8th.
Final positions
Man City
Arsenal
Newcastle
Man U
Liverpool
Brighton
Aston Villa
Spurs
If Brighton finish above us it will be on goal difference. I think we'll finish above them, all decided on the last game of the season.
I’d bite your hand off for that scenario and a rousing finish to the season at Villa Park
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 23, 2023, 05:05:30 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 23, 2023, 05:08:02 PM
Finishing in the top 7 with only half a dozen games to go is in our own hands. I don't think we could have asked for much more than that from this season.
It would be a sensational end to the season. It’s all in context of course. Next season I’d be disappointed to finish 7th if we are in or around the top 6 for most of it.
Post by: algy on April 23, 2023, 05:14:26 PM
For what it's worth, there's still plenty of time for things to go right or wrong this season. Saw against Brentford, nobody's going to just roll over and let us tickle their belly.
Hopefully we ought to finish top half now, not taking much more than that for granted but 7th would be great and anything better would be amazing, especially given where the club was in November.
Post by: IFWaters on April 23, 2023, 05:17:51 PM
Post by: Risso on April 23, 2023, 05:47:40 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 23, 2023, 05:50:38 PM
We’ve got Liverpool, Spurs, Man U and Brighton to play, so do well in those games and the sky’s the limit. Or 5th’s the limit really, but you know what I mean.we are going to need som big performances, we need to win 4 from 6 I reckon.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 23, 2023, 06:31:20 PM
As a wise man once said, "Do you want to bet against us?"We’ve got Liverpool, Spurs, Man U and Brighton to play, so do well in those games and the sky’s the limit. Or 5th’s the limit really, but you know what I mean.we are going to need som big performances, we need to win 4 from 6 I reckon.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 23, 2023, 06:45:32 PM
It's all down to balls now.
Well quite, footballs.
Post by: john2710 on April 23, 2023, 06:56:11 PM
With the teams we've got to play, it's still a big ask. But considering our start it's incredible that we got a chance.
Post by: IFWaters on April 23, 2023, 07:39:09 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 23, 2023, 07:48:57 PM
Post by: Steve67 on April 23, 2023, 08:03:53 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 23, 2023, 08:04:38 PM
5th and 6th gets europa. 7th the Conference league.
I think as long as we win on Tuesday we're in a very good place to finish above Spurs as based on last few weeks they're phoning it in with regards performances levels under Stellini.
Devastating way for Brighton to lose. With extra time I think they'll really struggle to beat Forest in midweek which will help us greatly as that's one of the easier games in the run in. They also play every single midweek from now on in the season and looking at their bench they don't have many options at all beyond first 11.
Liverpool should finish top 6 but not like they're some impossible team to score past if Forest can get 2 at Anfield. I think West Ham will get at least a draw midweek so that will halt their momentum.
Despite all that we need to beat Fulham and take things from there.
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 23, 2023, 08:45:01 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 23, 2023, 09:00:36 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 23, 2023, 09:01:18 PM
Playing teams fighting to stay up won't be easy either for those around us.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 23, 2023, 09:05:23 PM
Post by: Monty on April 23, 2023, 09:05:57 PM
Post by: danno on April 23, 2023, 09:06:47 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 23, 2023, 09:18:27 PM
Honestly, Spurs were just so horrible today, I'd say on the beach but it was more like they were at a Hawaiian lu'au in the role of the pig. Would genuinely be surprised if they mustered enough to finish top 7 now.
Every time Newcastle attacked they looked like they were going to score
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 23, 2023, 09:44:26 PM
Brighton obviously have games in hand but that means a congested programme. They also have to play Man C and go to Arsenal.
Liverpool and Spurs play each other next week, a draw would be ideal.
Our final three games are all against our mini league rivals.
Unless Liverpool go on the winning run which the media keep expecting then we could be heading into a final day shoot out with Brighton for 5th place.
Post by: Flin5tone on April 23, 2023, 09:56:46 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on April 23, 2023, 09:59:37 PM
Post by: Steve67 on April 23, 2023, 10:06:14 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 23, 2023, 10:23:38 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 23, 2023, 10:54:10 PM
Beat Fulham on Tuesday and it just piles pressure on spurs and brighton in particular.
Post by: olaftab on April 24, 2023, 12:02:23 AM
I'm a bit worried that Brighton will get to play Arsenal, when Arsenal know their hopes of the title have disappeared; Newcastle, when Newcastle know their top 4 place is guaranteed; Southampton, when Southampton are already relegated; and Man City, when Man City have the title already won and have their minds much more focussed on the champions league. Then again, I am a bit of a worrier.😂 Mate, do you get out of bed if it’s raining as loads could go wrong?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 24, 2023, 03:12:16 AM
I'm a bit worried that Brighton will get to play Arsenal, when Arsenal know their hopes of the title have disappeared; Newcastle, when Newcastle know their top 4 place is guaranteed; Southampton, when Southampton are already relegated; and Man City, when Man City have the title already won and have their minds much more focussed on the champions league. Then again, I am a bit of a worrier.
Worrier?! You're no worrier, FL. You're a clear-eyed ambassador for the truth.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 24, 2023, 05:39:01 AM
I was hoping that Brighton would win today so they would want to protect themselves a little for the FA Cup final the week after they play us. Not to be. Hopefully, Liverpool continue to misfire, although they’ve got four of their next five games at home Manchester United are still like a box of licorice allsorts.
Yeah, I find licorice pretty rank too.
Post by: nigel on April 24, 2023, 07:44:11 AM
We are now in a mini league of 4 with Spurs, Liverpool, Brighton for positions 5th to 8th.
Brighton obviously have games in hand but that means a congested programme. They also have to play Man C and go to Arsenal.
Liverpool and Spurs play each other next week, a draw would be ideal.
Our final three games are all against our mini league rivals.
Unless Liverpool go on the winning run which the media keep expecting then we could be heading into a final day shoot out with Brighton for 5th place.
For me, ideally we want a Liverpool win, as I realistically expect it to be between us, Brighton and Spurs for 6 & 7, so every point these two drop is good for us
Post by: Nii Lamptey on April 24, 2023, 08:19:58 AM
I think Brighton have to fall away - The energy they've put into this season (especially yesterday) has to run out at some point, and they still have a congested fixture list to deal with, along with some difficult matches. Spurs are a busted flush unless they get the 'new manager bounce' from someone like 'Arry coming in, which leaves 5th place between us and Liverpool.
We just need to get back to winning ways and pick up as many points as possible. My biggest concern is Ollie - He wasn't at the races on Saturday, and definitely looked like a dad who's just had a newborn. Need him back firing (not in the bedroom!), asap!
Fulham tomorrow is a must win!
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 24, 2023, 08:44:08 AM
I think Liverpool are the biggest threat because of thier run in.We are now in a mini league of 4 with Spurs, Liverpool, Brighton for positions 5th to 8th.
Brighton obviously have games in hand but that means a congested programme. They also have to play Man C and go to Arsenal.
Liverpool and Spurs play each other next week, a draw would be ideal.
Our final three games are all against our mini league rivals.
Unless Liverpool go on the winning run which the media keep expecting then we could be heading into a final day shoot out with Brighton for 5th place.
For me, ideally we want a Liverpool win, as I realistically expect it to be between us, Brighton and Spurs for 6 & 7, so every point these two drop is good for us
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 24, 2023, 09:37:03 AM
For me, ideally we want a Liverpool win, as I realistically expect it to be between us, Brighton and Spurs for 6 & 7, so every point these two drop is good for us
I think Liverpool are the biggest threat because of thier run in.
Same here, would like to keep them below us for as long as possible so want them to drop points, even if it's against Spurs.
Post by: Monty on April 24, 2023, 09:38:15 AM
Post by: eamonn on April 24, 2023, 10:11:22 AM
Post by: Drummond on April 24, 2023, 10:17:42 AM
Liverpool and Brighton have easier run ins and I think realistically we have to beat all three of them, and two out of Fulham, ManUtd and Wolves to get a Europa League place.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 24, 2023, 10:21:25 AM
Blimey, imagine 'arry parachuted in to save Spurs.
getting the gang together again , Triffic
Post by: Dave on April 24, 2023, 11:01:45 AM
Blimey, imagine 'arry parachuted in to save Spurs.
getting the gang together again , Triffic
Niko Krancjar in to support Harry Kane.
Post by: Smithy on April 24, 2023, 11:06:25 AM
I've done that predictor thingy again and I've got us 7th, above Spuds in 8th, with us needing to beat them to do that.
Liverpool and Brighton have easier run ins and I think realistically we have to beat all three of them, and two out of Fulham, ManUtd and Wolves to get a Europa League place.
Mine was similar, we've effectively got to continue our form to the end of the season, or hope a couple of other other teams lose their form too. Liverpool scoring 10 goals in their last 3 games isn't helping. They look like they MIGHT be hitting some goalscoring form at precisely the wrong time for us.
I still have us playing Brighton on the last day for a place in Europe.
Post by: OCD on April 24, 2023, 11:08:01 AM
Post by: Drummond on April 24, 2023, 11:17:26 AM
I've done that predictor thingy again and I've got us 7th, above Spuds in 8th, with us needing to beat them to do that.
Liverpool and Brighton have easier run ins and I think realistically we have to beat all three of them, and two out of Fulham, ManUtd and Wolves to get a Europa League place.
Mine was similar, we've effectively got to continue our form to the end of the season, or hope a couple of other other teams lose their form too. Liverpool scoring 10 goals in their last 3 games isn't helping. They look like they MIGHT be hitting some goalscoring form at precisely the wrong time for us.
I still have us playing Brighton on the last day for a place in Europe.
Yep, we beat them and get 7th. Lose and we're 8th.
Remarkable to be honest to be considering it given where we were in November.
The bottom of the table is so close too. One result can make a hug difference.
Post by: eamonn on April 24, 2023, 11:42:08 AM
Post by: Smithy on April 24, 2023, 11:57:58 AM
Post by: Risso on April 24, 2023, 12:11:07 PM
Spurs' next two games are Man Utd and Liverpool. They could feasibly be 8th by the time we play them, at which point you would hope their heads would be gone completely, having spunked a champions league place up the wall.
Also bizarrely, given our shit start and the fact that they've been in the top 5 all season, we're close to overhauling their goal difference as well.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 24, 2023, 12:33:49 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on April 24, 2023, 12:41:43 PM
Yes, I want to see us playing in European competitions as soon as possible and feel that Liverpool's and Chelsea's form this season might have opened up an opportunity that might not be there in the coming seasons. Therefore, we might need to grasp this opportunity when it is available.
I think that there is a bigger picture though and there is that thought of the impact European football might have on our progress next season. We are undoubtedly a team and club on the up at the moment, but I'm not sure that we will have the squad to compete (even after the summer) in a European competition and finish in the higher reaches of the league next season. To counter that, we have a manager who knows exactly what it takes to do that and of course we may bring enough players in during the summer to ensure we are competitive in both.
It is just that it feels like we have got done momentum at the club now and what we don't really need next season is a slip down the league due to the extra workload of the Europa or Europa Conference League. Maintaining the momentum in the league is probably the priority in the bigger picture (along with having a proper crack at the domestic cups) and I just wonder if we would be better placed to do that without having European football next season. By the end of next season, we would have also had two more windows to build a squad capable of handling the extra workload of European football.
So a bit torn really, as on the one hand I would be delighted to se pe us back in European football and think that we would have a decent chance of actually progressing far in both the Europa and Conference tournaments. On the other hand though, I just feel it might be a season too early and our development as a team might be better suited to not having European football next season.
Post by: Monty on April 24, 2023, 12:45:36 PM
Plus, big clubs in the Europa League! It would be fun! And I, me, I like fun.
Post by: caster troy on April 24, 2023, 12:46:11 PM
Spurs have Palace and Brentford at home who potentially won't have much to play for, and Leeds away who may already be down by then. My fear is they will now sack Stellini and scrape a few results together. We need them to lose the next three I think then beat them ourselves to be in a strong position.
Brighton should get to at least 59 points before they play Man City on the 24th of May and have superior GD, so by that stage it may be in their hands and we'll need them to lose to Man City and then beat them at home. Hopefully the title race makes it to the 24th.
We absolutely must beat Fulham, then one of United/Wolves away and Spurs at home to keep it in our hands. With our injury situation I think we will end up 7th/8th depending on whether Spurs now bounce back and whether Brighton can sustain their results playing so many games.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 24, 2023, 12:46:54 PM
Only a few clubs manage domestic success with a European campaign and it’s hard to see how you build a squad capable of that in one transfer window.
Post by: Risso on April 24, 2023, 12:47:48 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 24, 2023, 12:51:42 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 24, 2023, 12:53:41 PM
I couldn't disagree more. There's never an exact perfect time, but if you do well, you get European football then it's up to the owners/Purslow/Lange/Emery to put together a suitable squad. There's no guarantee that if we miss out that we'll achieve it next year, and what happens then if you get the likes of Martinez wanting to move on?I get that , but I am sure that we will reach a point when something has to give if we try and attempt to compete in 4 competitions.
It will come down to priorities.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 24, 2023, 12:54:23 PM
I couldn't disagree more. There's never an exact perfect time, but if you do well, you get European football then it's up to the owners/Purslow/Lange/Emery to put together a suitable squad. There's no guarantee that if we miss out that we'll achieve it next year, and what happens then if you get the likes of Martinez wanting to move on?
Exactly. Get European football and then deal with it.
Post by: Risso on April 24, 2023, 12:58:28 PM
I couldn't disagree more. There's never an exact perfect time, but if you do well, you get European football then it's up to the owners/Purslow/Lange/Emery to put together a suitable squad. There's no guarantee that if we miss out that we'll achieve it next year, and what happens then if you get the likes of Martinez wanting to move on?I get that , but I am sure that we will reach a point when something has to give if we try and attempt to compete in 4 competitions.
It will come down to priorities.
Until you get to Man City squad levels, that's always the case. I'll take winning the Europa League and qualifying for the Champions League though even if it means we only finish 5th.
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 24, 2023, 01:03:43 PM
I couldn't disagree more. There's never an exact perfect time, but if you do well, you get European football then it's up to the owners/Purslow/Lange/Emery to put together a suitable squad. There's no guarantee that if we miss out that we'll achieve it next year, and what happens then if you get the likes of Martinez wanting to move on?Completely agree. If we don’t make it now it will be disappointing, its the hope that kills ya etc, but in context not the end of the world, given the miracles Emery has been achieving. However, if theres a chance i don’t understand the hand wringing about not wanting to be in it yet. If theres a chance we have to grasp it, there are too many variables to think it’s definitely going to come our way next year.
Post by: Chris Smith on April 24, 2023, 01:07:55 PM
I think this is a genuine concern.
Only a few clubs manage domestic success with a European campaign and it’s hard to see how you build a squad capable of that in one transfer window.
I had the same concern when this thread started but the progress over recent weeks has caused me to reconsider. Emery is as experienced as they come in respect of managing on multiple fronts, I am sure he will be as prepared for that as he appears to be for everything else. I imagine they’ve got different plans for the summer transfer window dependent on whether or not we qualify.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on April 24, 2023, 01:18:56 PM
Post by: Simon Page on April 24, 2023, 01:20:43 PM
I couldn't disagree more. There's never an exact perfect time, but if you do well, you get European football then it's up to the owners/Purslow/Lange/Emery to put together a suitable squad. There's no guarantee that if we miss out that we'll achieve it next year, and what happens then if you get the likes of Martinez wanting to move on?I get that , but I am sure that we will reach a point when something has to give if we try and attempt to compete in 4 competitions.
It will come down to priorities.
Until you get to Man City squad levels, that's always the case. I'll take winning the Europa League and qualifying for the Champions League though even if it means we only finish 5th.
I'd take winning the Europa League and finishing 20th. Give me shiny pots now.
Post by: paul_e on April 24, 2023, 01:30:58 PM
Goal: Martinez is fine, Sinisalo is probably as good a 3rd choice as we'll get for now so we need to replace Olsen
RB: Cash and Young have both been good, KKH as a backup is ok. Maybe we'll need to replace Young in the winter.
LB: Moreno is excellent, Digne is probably too good to be cover, this is one of our strongest positions.
CB: Mings is fine, Carlos needs a chance now he's fit, Konsa and Chambers are ok as cover but we could do with replacing 1 of them.
DM: Kamara and Doug are superb, Dendoncker is decent as cover, Tim coming back should get a chance as well.
CM/WM: McGinn and Ramsey are good here, 1 signing and AJ Ramsey should be enough for now. Maybe Sanson can come back in?
AM/Wing: Buendia is fine, Coutinho can be a good option, Bert is good from the bench. Philogene might be worth a look as an option, replace Bailey.
Striker: Watkins is great, Cam deserves a chance to back him up, 1 more and we're good, could be the same player as the Bailey replacement.
I make that 4/5 signings in the summer (which is as many as I'd want regardless) to give us options everywhere without closing the door on the youngsters who have done well on loan.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 24, 2023, 01:50:19 PM
I couldn't disagree more. There's never an exact perfect time, but if you do well, you get European football then it's up to the owners/Purslow/Lange/Emery to put together a suitable squad. There's no guarantee that if we miss out that we'll achieve it next year, and what happens then if you get the likes of Martinez wanting to move on?
Agreed, I think young Dave summed it up well when he said something to the effect of "people don't want us to get European football this season, in case we slip down the league and don't finish high enough to get European football next season".
Post by: Risso on April 24, 2023, 01:57:10 PM
Lets take a minute to look at the squad and what needs to happen to it to give us the depth we want:
Goal: Martinez is fine, Sinisalo is probably as good a 3rd choice as we'll get for now so we need to replace Olsen
RB: Cash and Young have both been good, KKH as a backup is ok. Maybe we'll need to replace Young in the winter.
LB: Moreno is excellent, Digne is probably too good to be cover, this is one of our strongest positions.
CB: Mings is fine, Carlos needs a chance now he's fit, Konsa and Chambers are ok as cover but we could do with replacing 1 of them.
DM: Kamara and Doug are superb, Dendoncker is decent as cover, Tim coming back should get a chance as well.
CM/WM: McGinn and Ramsey are good here, 1 signing and AJ Ramsey should be enough for now. Maybe Sanson can come back in?
AM/Wing: Buendia is fine, Coutinho can be a good option, Bert is good from the bench. Philogene might be worth a look as an option, replace Bailey.
Striker: Watkins is great, Cam deserves a chance to back him up, 1 more and we're good, could be the same player as the Bailey replacement.
I make that 4/5 signings in the summer (which is as many as I'd want regardless) to give us options everywhere without closing the door on the youngsters who have done well on loan.
I agree with most of that, but would say:
I really hope we keep Digne, as he showed what he's capable of on Saturday. He's not as good going forward as Moreno (even though he helped set up the chance for the goal), but he's a better defender. Emery said last week he wants two players for every position, so when left back looks extremely well covered, why change it?
There's no way on earth that Sanson is coming back. I'd be surprised if Philogene is seen as being an option for the squad next season either so we definitely need two versatile forwards who can both cover for, and play with Ollie. It might be overkill, but I'd love to see a Guendouzi type sign as well.
I do wonder if despite being on the bench, that Carlos isn't a bit more fucked than we realise. 3-0 up at home to Newcastle and he still didn't get even a couple of minutes at the end, which I found weird.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 24, 2023, 02:09:29 PM
I couldn't disagree more. There's never an exact perfect time, but if you do well, you get European football then it's up to the owners/Purslow/Lange/Emery to put together a suitable squad. There's no guarantee that if we miss out that we'll achieve it next year, and what happens then if you get the likes of Martinez wanting to move on?
Exactly. We cannot be scared by the prospect of qualification. There’s no such thing as too early. Other sides manage to balance the extra workload and we are in a position where we have a bloke who has mastered that. We absolutely want qualification. Every single year from now on. We will build this summer, and hopefully in years to come compete on all 4 domestic and content trophy fronts each year.
Post by: paul_e on April 24, 2023, 02:12:21 PM
Lets take a minute to look at the squad and what needs to happen to it to give us the depth we want:
Goal: Martinez is fine, Sinisalo is probably as good a 3rd choice as we'll get for now so we need to replace Olsen
RB: Cash and Young have both been good, KKH as a backup is ok. Maybe we'll need to replace Young in the winter.
LB: Moreno is excellent, Digne is probably too good to be cover, this is one of our strongest positions.
CB: Mings is fine, Carlos needs a chance now he's fit, Konsa and Chambers are ok as cover but we could do with replacing 1 of them.
DM: Kamara and Doug are superb, Dendoncker is decent as cover, Tim coming back should get a chance as well.
CM/WM: McGinn and Ramsey are good here, 1 signing and AJ Ramsey should be enough for now. Maybe Sanson can come back in?
AM/Wing: Buendia is fine, Coutinho can be a good option, Bert is good from the bench. Philogene might be worth a look as an option, replace Bailey.
Striker: Watkins is great, Cam deserves a chance to back him up, 1 more and we're good, could be the same player as the Bailey replacement.
I make that 4/5 signings in the summer (which is as many as I'd want regardless) to give us options everywhere without closing the door on the youngsters who have done well on loan.
I agree with most of that, but would say:
I really hope we keep Digne, as he showed what he's capable of on Saturday. He's not as good going forward as Moreno (even though he helped set up the chance for the goal), but he's a better defender. Emery said last week he wants two players for every position, so when left back looks extremely well covered, why change it?
There's no way on earth that Sanson is coming back. I'd be surprised if Philogene is seen as being an option for the squad next season either so we definitely need two versatile forwards who can both cover for, and play with Ollie. It might be overkill, but I'd love to see a Guendouzi type sign as well.
I do wonder if despite being on the bench, that Carlos isn't a bit more fucked than we realise. 3-0 up at home to Newcastle and he still didn't get even a couple of minutes at the end, which I found weird.
Just to be clear, I wasn't suggesting we let Digne go, I was pointing out that he's too good to sit on the bench every week. the extra games would help with it because we'd be able to guarantee him a decent amount of starts.
I have Guendouzi down as the player to compete with Ramsey and McGinn. The Sanson thing wasn't entirely serious but he's the only senior player who's on loan that might have case to be given more of a chance.
Carlos is a tough one really, he got fit as we were in the middle of a run were we've conceded 3 in 9, I get the feeling Emery isn't the sort to bring someone in just for fitness if it runs the risk of giving up a clean sheet, even in games where we're on top.
Philogene is really tough one, from what I've seen of him he's got the technical ability and pace to be a real threat but he's a bit raw still. I just wonder if he's someone that the extra direction and planning from Emery could help turn into the real deal. He's looked pretty good in a relegation battling side this year so I think he's worth a look. Duran is another option up there as well and he's done a decent job every time we've seen him (I didn't include him because I'd loan him out to the championship for the first half of next season).
With both of them (and Young and Patterson who have both been with the first team since Emery came in) we seem to have a lot of options for players who could be worth a look in the summer. If we do get a second attacker I'd expect hem to come in really late in the window, and maybe only on loan.
Post by: Risso on April 24, 2023, 02:13:29 PM
Post by: Drummond on April 24, 2023, 02:17:17 PM
In summary we need a new No.2, at least one central midfielder, one wide player and a striker.
Philogene isn't the man.
Archer, Ramsey A, and Iroegbunam are all good options to add.
As for Carlos, I suspect we're resting him for as long as we can. Absolutely no point rushing him back or pushing too hard when he doesn't need to play. The longer he can train and build strength and confidence the better.
Post by: Drummond on April 24, 2023, 02:18:05 PM
We're *probably* not going to win the league next year, but we have a man in charge who's a serial Europa League winner. We've seen already what he can do with the smallest squad in the Premier League and only one of his own players, imagine what he's going to do when he gets a bit of backing.
Absolutely. We'll be shopping in the more exclusive end of the market too.
Post by: simboy on April 24, 2023, 02:22:04 PM
We're *probably* not going to win the league next year, but we have a man in charge who's a serial Europa League winner. We've seen already what he can do with the smallest squad in the Premier League and only one of his own players, imagine what he's going to do when he gets a bit of backing.
Oh ye of little faith ...
European football under Emery makes us a far more attractive proposition to those players uninitialed in the joys of B6. We can develop youngsters who may be "good enough" whilst at the same time buying what our manager thinks we need.
Post by: OCD on April 24, 2023, 02:22:43 PM
Post by: Smithy on April 24, 2023, 02:24:42 PM
In fact, the only thing worse than qualifying for Europe would be not qualifying for Europe.
Post by: Smithy on April 24, 2023, 02:27:49 PM
Carlos is more one for next season when he's had a full pre-season with the rest of the squad. He'll be up to speed and understand exactly what Emery wants from him.
I could be wrong, but I don't think Emery is the sort of manager to substitute a central defender unless they have a specific issue? There are no tactical changes that would necessitate swapping out a central defender? It's a bit like the goalie, in that it's a position that never really gets swapped to "freshen things up". My guess is we'll only see Carlos from the start of a game, or if one of the first-choice centre-backs gets a mid-game injury.
Post by: Risso on April 24, 2023, 02:30:56 PM
Carlos is more one for next season when he's had a full pre-season with the rest of the squad. He'll be up to speed and understand exactly what Emery wants from him.
I could be wrong, but I don't think Emery is the sort of manager to substitute a central defender unless they have a specific issue? There are no tactical changes that would necessitate swapping out a central defender? It's a bit like the goalie, in that it's a position that never really gets swapped to "freshen things up". My guess is we'll only see Carlos from the start of a game, or if one of the first-choice centre-backs gets a mid-game injury.
He's said he wants to give Carlos minutes when he's fit enough to. Newcastle was the game to do it, which can only mean that Carlos isn't really up to it yet.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 24, 2023, 02:36:01 PM
Qualifying for Europe a year earlier than planned could cause us all sorts of problems. Squad depth will be a big issue, and signing too many players in one window can upset the balance of a squad. It could be bad. It could turn out really bad.
In fact, the only thing worse than qualifying for Europe would be not qualifying for Europe.
On the other side, not qualifying for Europe could equally cause us all sorts of problems. I'd be disappointed if we missed out on a Europa cup place as Spurs are imminently catchable. If it's the lesser competition we have enough as it is in the squad with the loan signings coming back. We still have 18 pts to play for, let's get them and add some more quality where needed in the break.
Post by: Risso on April 24, 2023, 02:37:29 PM
Qualifying for Europe a year earlier than planned could cause us all sorts of problems. Squad depth will be a big issue, and signing too many players in one window can upset the balance of a squad. It could be bad. It could turn out really bad.
In fact, the only thing worse than qualifying for Europe would be not qualifying for Europe.
On the other side, not qualifying for Europe could equally cause us all sorts of problems. I'd be disappointed if we missed out on a Europa cup place as Spurs are imminently catchable. If it's the lesser competition we have enough as it is in the squad with the loan signings coming back. We still have 18 pts to play for, let's get them and add some more quality where needed in the break.
Whooooosh!
Post by: tomd2103 on April 24, 2023, 02:39:25 PM
I couldn't disagree more. There's never an exact perfect time, but if you do well, you get European football then it's up to the owners/Purslow/Lange/Emery to put together a suitable squad. There's no guarantee that if we miss out that we'll achieve it next year, and what happens then if you get the likes of Martinez wanting to move on?
Exactly. We cannot be scared by the prospect of qualification. There’s no such thing as too early. Other sides manage to balance the extra workload and we are in a position where we have a bloke who has mastered that. We absolutely want qualification. Every single year from now on. We will build this summer, and hopefully in years to come compete on all 4 domestic and content trophy fronts each year.
The sides that balance the extra workload tend to be the 'top six' sides who have the squad depth to cope with it. A number of other teams who have qualified for European competitions have had poor following seasons in the league as they haven't had the depth in the squad to manage the workload.
On balance, I would like to see us play in Europe next season as I agree that you have to take the opportunity when it's there, as it might not be next season. I think we have a manager with a wealth of experience in European competitions who will know how to balance the workload of the squad and as I say, I think we would have a chance in both the Europa and the Conference tournaments (we would be one of the favourites in the latter).
Think it is going to be an ask though, simply because of the games Liverpool and Brighton have in hand over us. If we were on the same games, I would fancy us.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on April 24, 2023, 02:41:09 PM
'Unai, we're so pleased with how things are going. Fantastic. Far better than we had even hoped for, to be honest. Realistically of course, we won't be finishing in the top four, no problem there obviously, that would have been beyond our wildest dreams. There's a real chance now of course that we might get to finish 5th or 6th, which would be really good, of course. On most levels, anyway. And better than we'd thought, to be honest. However, trying to finish in 5th or 6th place carries the real risk that we might actually end up in 7th place, and having to take part in that Conference thing. Which we think it best to avoid, all told, for all sorts of reasons. So having weighed everything up therefore, what we'd very much like please, between now and the end of the season, and only for this season mind, is for you to fix it to ensure we finish 8th. Which would obviously still be really good. And better than expected. Would that be ok?'
Post by: tomd2103 on April 24, 2023, 03:10:33 PM
Imagine Purslow visiting Emery.
'Unai, we're so pleased with how things are going. Fantastic. Far better than we had even hoped for, to be honest. Realistically of course, we won't be finishing in the top four, no problem there obviously, that would have been beyond our wildest dreams. There's a real chance now of course that we might get to finish 5th or 6th, which would be really good, of course. On most levels, anyway. And better than we'd thought, to be honest. However, trying to finish in 5th or 6th place carries the real risk that we might actually end up in 7th place, and having to take part in that Conference thing. Which we think it best to avoid, all told, for all sorts of reasons. So having weighed everything up therefore, what we'd very much like please, between now and the end of the season, and only for this season mind, is for you to fix it to ensure we finish 8th. Which would obviously still be really good. And better than expected. Would that be ok?'
Don't think that is the case. If we get into Europe then great, bring it on. If we don't, then although it might be a bit disappointing, it might not be the worst thing in terms of next season.
Post by: not3bad on April 24, 2023, 03:31:49 PM
Post by: Beard82 on April 24, 2023, 03:35:59 PM
Imagine Purslow visiting Emery.
'Unai, we're so pleased with how things are going. Fantastic. Far better than we had even hoped for, to be honest. Realistically of course, we won't be finishing in the top four, no problem there obviously, that would have been beyond our wildest dreams. There's a real chance now of course that we might get to finish 5th or 6th, which would be really good, of course. On most levels, anyway. And better than we'd thought, to be honest. However, trying to finish in 5th or 6th place carries the real risk that we might actually end up in 7th place, and having to take part in that Conference thing. Which we think it best to avoid, all told, for all sorts of reasons. So having weighed everything up therefore, what we'd very much like please, between now and the end of the season, and only for this season mind, is for you to fix it to ensure we finish 8th. Which would obviously still be really good. And better than expected. Would that be ok? Oh, and while we're at it, can you keep an eye on Johan, I think he knows he's off and I'm pretty sure he has started to steal the stationary.'
Post by: Monty on April 24, 2023, 03:39:03 PM
How would people feel if we "did a West Ham" next year and spent most of the season in the lower reaches of the Premier even though we were progressing in Europe?
If that turns out to be winning a trophy, thereby qualifying for the Europa, and having a chill last few weeks of the season - well, we'd have had worse seasons.
Post by: Risso on April 24, 2023, 04:05:14 PM
How would people feel if we "did a West Ham" next year and spent most of the season in the lower reaches of the Premier even though we were progressing in Europe?
Ther's no reason why we should though. I don't think it's Europe that's held them back. Their main striker has been 33 year old Antonio, and they're tried to replace him with the £30m cart horse Scamacca. then add in the fact that players like Soucek have massively underperformed. We've got a better manager and better players in most positions.
Post by: Dave on April 24, 2023, 06:11:15 PM
How would people feel if we "did a West Ham" next year and spent most of the season in the lower reaches of the Premier even though we were progressing in Europe?
Ther's no reason why we should though. I don't think it's Europe that's held them back. Their main striker has been 33 year old Antonio, and they're tried to replace him with the £30m cart horse Scamacca. then add in the fact that players like Soucek have massively underperformed. We've got a better manager and better players in most positions.
West Ham are also the worst example of the "too early for European football" position.
Two seasons ago they somehow managed to get from 16th the previous year to finish 6th, surprising everyone. The following year - their "squad is too small, not ready, can't compete" year, they got to the semi-finals of the Europa League and finished seventh in the league. And also put up a decent(ish) showing in both domestic cups.
The thing they went and fucked up was the consolidate from a position of strength bit, not the unexpected European qualification bit.
Post by: London Villan on April 24, 2023, 07:12:47 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 24, 2023, 07:18:08 PM
Post by: Dave on April 24, 2023, 07:26:29 PM
I suppose the cautionary tale about West Ham is that even with back to back European qualifications they haven't been able to attract particularly top quality signings.
In terms of reputation, signing Italy's number nine and Brazil's number ten is probably attracting a greater pedigree than UEFA Conference League qualification really deserves.
The fact that they haven't adapted particularly well doesn't take away the statement of signing them.
Although I think Paqueta will probably come good.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 24, 2023, 07:35:56 PM
Post by: Dave on April 24, 2023, 07:38:57 PM
Yeah, fans of the Scab 6 clubs were dismayed when Paqueta went there as they felt he was "better" than West Ham. Mind you, many of them said the same about Bailey when we signed him.
Yup, a good comparison.
Post by: four fornicholl on April 24, 2023, 07:47:57 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 24, 2023, 08:14:52 PM
Yeah, fans of the Scab 6 clubs were dismayed when Paqueta went there as they felt he was "better" than West Ham. Mind you, many of them said the same about Bailey when we signed him.
Yup, a good comparison.
Fair enough. I've never heard of anyone we sign these days so perhaps I'm not in a good position to judge others' transfers!
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 24, 2023, 08:16:02 PM
Post by: Lucky Eddie on April 24, 2023, 08:47:39 PM
Post by: Dave on April 24, 2023, 08:53:41 PM
I don't understand why we get four champions league places and less than four in the two 'lesser' competitions.
When you have 32 leagues involved, one league providing seven teams across three competitions seems to be plenty.
And I don't think anyone has ever said that the Europa League needs more teams and matches than it has already.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 24, 2023, 09:24:55 PM
How would people feel if we "did a West Ham" next year and spent most of the season in the lower reaches of the Premier even though we were progressing in Europe?
Isn't that more just due to most of their summer signings flopping?
They were in top 6 for most of 21/22 and they got to europa league SF and that has far higher standard of teams than what they've been playing in europe this season.
If we don't do well next season combining the two it will simply mean we haven't signed well enough but Emery is vastly experienced at juggling both so he'll know what's required.
Post by: Smirker on April 24, 2023, 09:36:23 PM
I don't understand why we get four champions league places and less than four in the two 'lesser' competitions.
When you have 32 leagues involved, one league providing seven teams across three competitions seems to be plenty.
And I don't think anyone has ever said that the Europa League needs more teams and matches than it has already.
I think the Conference League should be merged with the Europa League tbh. It would be one extra game.
Post by: eamonn on April 24, 2023, 10:36:50 PM
Post by: Dave on April 24, 2023, 11:01:55 PM
Bring back the Cup for Cup winners.
Wouldn't really work though, would it?
Post by: JD on April 25, 2023, 08:34:34 AM
Bring back the Cup for Cup winners.
Wouldn't really work though, would it?
It would be like bringing back a Champions League for Champions, rather than teams finishing in 4th place. It will never catch on.
Post by: Monty on April 25, 2023, 09:15:23 AM
Bring back the Cup for Cup winners.
Wouldn't really work though, would it?
It would be like bringing back a Champions League for Champions, rather than teams finishing in 4th place. It will never catch on.
I always found it maddening that when they made it not only for champions they changed its name from the European Cup to the precisely inaccurate 'Champions League'.
But I guess it's like that Teamster guy said about being ladylike - if you gotta say you are you probably ain't.
Post by: Dave on April 25, 2023, 09:16:53 AM
Bring back the Cup for Cup winners.
Wouldn't really work though, would it?
It would be like bringing back a Champions League for Champions, rather than teams finishing in 4th place. It will never catch on.
And with good reason these days. I (and I get the feeling, most people on here) don't really care much for watching any of the European club competitions and I expect the only thing that will make me/us start is Villa playing in them.
Something that isn't going to turn on people who aren't already interested it is six months of Man City and PSG crushing the likes of FC Cluj and Ludogorets until the inevitable semi-finals of four of the champions of England, France, Spain, Italy and Germany.
I have no more than a passing interest either way, but I don't really see how a return to the original format makes it better than it currently is.
Post by: Monty on April 25, 2023, 09:18:40 AM
Post by: Dave on April 25, 2023, 09:19:32 AM
Bring back the Cup for Cup winners.
Wouldn't really work though, would it?
It would be like bringing back a Champions League for Champions, rather than teams finishing in 4th place. It will never catch on.
I always found it maddening that when they made it not only for champions they changed its name from the European Cup to the precisely inaccurate 'Champions League'.
To be fair, I think when they rebranded in 1992 it was still league champions only. 97-98 is when they first expanded it. At which point, yes, a name change was probably in order.
Post by: Monty on April 25, 2023, 09:21:05 AM
Then again people still say the 'Premiership'.
Post by: Dave on April 25, 2023, 09:24:41 AM
Then again people still say the 'Premiership'.
My feelings on such matters have been well-documented on this site over the years.
Post by: LeeB on April 25, 2023, 09:30:10 AM
Bring back the Cup for Cup winners.
Wouldn't really work though, would it?
It would be like bringing back a Champions League for Champions, rather than teams finishing in 4th place. It will never catch on.
And with good reason these days. I (and I get the feeling, most people on here) don't really care much for watching any of the European club competitions and I expect the only thing that will make me/us start is Villa playing in them.
Something that isn't going to turn on people who aren't already interested it is six months of Man City and PSG crushing the likes of FC Cluj and Ludogorets until the inevitable semi-finals of four of the champions of England, France, Spain, Italy and Germany.
I have no more than a passing interest either way, but I don't really see how a return to the original format makes it better than it currently is.
It destroys the certainty of income for the shark clubs, they'd be unable to stockpile players in the same way and it would subsequently breathe life into every league in Europe.
I honestly couldn't think of a single action that would do more to address the problems in club football.
Post by: Monty on April 25, 2023, 09:32:34 AM
Post by: LeeB on April 25, 2023, 09:35:10 AM
Banning state ownership of clubs would come a close second.
Yes, a close second on the basis the ruination of the European Cup was already complete when they turned up and if anything led to it.
Post by: Dave on April 25, 2023, 09:43:53 AM
Bring back the Cup for Cup winners.
Wouldn't really work though, would it?
It would be like bringing back a Champions League for Champions, rather than teams finishing in 4th place. It will never catch on.
And with good reason these days. I (and I get the feeling, most people on here) don't really care much for watching any of the European club competitions and I expect the only thing that will make me/us start is Villa playing in them.
Something that isn't going to turn on people who aren't already interested it is six months of Man City and PSG crushing the likes of FC Cluj and Ludogorets until the inevitable semi-finals of four of the champions of England, France, Spain, Italy and Germany.
I have no more than a passing interest either way, but I don't really see how a return to the original format makes it better than it currently is.
It destroys the certainty of income for the shark clubs, they'd be unable to stockpile players in the same way and it would subsequently breathe life into every league in Europe.
I honestly couldn't think of a single action that would do more to address the problems in club football.
Ten years ago when Champions League money was the biggest financial prize, maybe. Not now. Norwich got more Premier League money for finishing bottom last season than Milan will get Champions League money this season for getting to the semi-finals.
It would just accentuate the movement of the better players from other leagues to England. And while nothing lasts forever, and the Premier League money bubble will likely pop at some point - right now it would just strengthen the Premier League, not the rest of Europe.
Post by: Smithy on April 25, 2023, 11:17:43 AM
I have no doubt that if they created a competition for champions only, it would reignite those calls immediately.
Post by: Ads on April 25, 2023, 11:32:15 AM
Post by: LeeB on April 25, 2023, 12:30:25 PM
Bruno Fernandes in a cast/boot and with crutches. That's their best centre half and player in Martinez and Fernandes out for Sunday.
Wouldn't it be nice to think they're on the cusp of not beating us at home in the league for 30 years?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 25, 2023, 01:54:06 PM
Bring back the Cup for Cup winners.
Wouldn't really work though, would it?
It would be like bringing back a Champions League for Champions, rather than teams finishing in 4th place. It will never catch on.
I always found it maddening that when they made it not only for champions they changed its name from the European Cup to the precisely inaccurate 'Champions League'.
The European Cup was officially known as the Coupe des Clubs Champions Européens.
Post by: Monty on April 25, 2023, 01:56:20 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 25, 2023, 02:01:27 PM
Bruno Fernandes in a cast/boot and with crutches. That's their best centre half and player in Martinez and Fernandes out for Sunday.
Wouldn't it be nice to think they're on the cusp of not beating us at home in the league for 30 years?
Kourtney Haus says hi
Post by: London Villan on April 25, 2023, 02:43:54 PM
Post by: Risso on April 25, 2023, 02:45:36 PM
Bruno Fernandes in a cast/boot and with crutches. That's their best centre half and player in Martinez and Fernandes out for Sunday.
Wouldn't it be nice to think they're on the cusp of not beating us at home in the league for 30 years?
Kourtney Haus says hi
I think Lee means them not beating us in the upcoming 30 years.
Post by: eamonn on April 25, 2023, 06:50:30 PM
Post by: IFWaters on April 25, 2023, 10:09:24 PM
Meanwhile we are top of a mini league of 4 teams playing for the Europa League spots of 5th and 6th. I don't think we can catch 4th.
All the other teams have games in hand, Spurs are dropping like a stone, Liverpool look to have the easiest games and Brighton look great but have lots of tough matches to fit in.
I haven't done the predictor but think Liverpool will overtake us, we will beat Brighton in the final day for 6th and Spurs will disappear without trace before Kane signs for us in the summer because he wants European football .
Post by: rob_bridge on April 25, 2023, 10:11:29 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on April 25, 2023, 10:24:40 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 25, 2023, 10:28:01 PM
I quite fancy the conference league to be honest, great chance to win it and into Europa next season. Is 7th now guaranteed to be a spot in that?
Yes, unless Man Utd end up finishing 8th
Post by: rob_bridge on April 25, 2023, 10:38:25 PM
I quite fancy the conference league to be honest, great chance to win it and into Europa next season. Is 7th now guaranteed to be a spot in that?
Yes, unless Man Utd end up finishing 8th
Yep. I'd prefer Europa League but I think if we qualify for any European competition under Emery the nights under lights at Villa Park would be electric
Post by: Smirker on April 25, 2023, 10:38:59 PM
It makes my heart warm and emotional.
Post by: aldridgeboy on April 25, 2023, 10:39:23 PM
I think Liverpool will finish above us.
I guess Surs could react well or implode. 50-50
I think I we will finish 7th.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 25, 2023, 11:09:23 PM
If they don't win at Forest then they'll have to win one of their very tough other spare games and/or beat us at VP.
Also think Wolves might get something against them at weekend aswell.
Am hopeful West Ham will hold Liverpool tomorrow with Antonio and Bowen in good form. Liverpool's game in hand though is at home to Fulham so on tonight's evidence that will be a breeze for them.
Post by: FatSam on April 25, 2023, 11:52:23 PM
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on April 26, 2023, 12:04:39 AM
Can we do the double over Manchester United? Doubtful. L
Liverpool away. We've done it before. X
Wolves away. Fuck yeah. W
Spurs at home. Double Fuck yeah. W
+10 pts has got to see us finish 6th surely?!
Post by: Nii Lamptey on April 26, 2023, 07:38:00 AM
Wolves [A] - D (they have form at Molineux, and this will be their cup final)
Spurs [H] - W
Liverpool [A] - D
Brighton [H] - W
11pts out of 15 by my reckoning... Finish on 65pts. Hard to call where we'll finish yet - All hinges on the form of Liverpool and Brighton (*Spurs are done).
Post by: Dick Edwards on April 26, 2023, 08:46:43 AM
If we can kick off against Brighton still with any European qualifying fate still in our own hands I'd take that scenario right now.
Post by: algy on April 26, 2023, 08:53:46 AM
Wolves [A] - FTF
Spurs [H] - FTF
Liverpool [A] - FTF
Brighton [H] - FTF
15 points out of a possible 15, leaving us on 69pts. 5th place, Europa League, job done.
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on April 26, 2023, 08:58:20 AM
It’s wonderfully refreshing to be looking at this. I haven’t been this excited about Villa in a long time and to be in a European race is more than I could fathom when we had Gerrard as our coach.
All we can do is keep on winning, keep on getting results. The teams around us are going to be equally motivated, so it’s going to be hard. We will start to suffer from fatigue as there is no break until the end of the season now and we have a small squad.
Come what may, I’m bloody proud of being a Villa fan right - incredibly proud of our team, our squad and our club.
As fans, we just need to push the team in the last few games to do the best they can do. We could easily be in the position of Leicester right now, but we’re not - thanks to our owners.
Keep on winning, keep on getting points and we’ll see where the dice lie on the final day of the season.
Post by: Paul.S on April 26, 2023, 08:58:28 AM
Post by: olaftab on April 26, 2023, 09:02:18 AM
Brighton have 7 games in May. 4 of them against the top 4. And us.I agree. We are now more or less guaranteed 8th but that's no good. 7th is where we are likely to end up and that would be a great achievement.
I think Liverpool will finish above us.
I guess Surs could react well or implode. 50-50
I think I we will finish 7th.
Post by: OCD on April 26, 2023, 11:07:42 AM
Post by: Risso on April 26, 2023, 11:09:02 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 26, 2023, 11:20:21 AM
Forest and West Ham wins tonight would be very welcome.
Oh Yes! Even draws would be welcome.
Post by: lovejoy on April 26, 2023, 11:25:34 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 26, 2023, 11:48:04 AM
But so far so good - we're showing resistance.
Liverpool's run in is easy - they will finish above us.
Spurs MAY get a new manager bounce, particularly if they get Poch in this week
Brighton are the main target. They are still playing extremely well, but the sheer amount of fixtures and quality of opponents makes it very difficult for them. If they get 6th they'll really deserve it.
I think it will be a last day shoot between us for either 6/7th or 7/8th (depending on whether Spurs continue to implode or have a Poch renaissance)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 26, 2023, 11:50:43 AM
Post by: OCD on April 26, 2023, 11:51:51 AM
We do look jaded. I just hope we can raise our levels again now because the level of opponents is going to be rising in the last few games.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 26, 2023, 11:53:08 AM
I feel the players are a bit jaded and we couldn't cope with any more injuries to yesterday's starting 11.
But so far so good - we're showing resistance.
Liverpool's run in is easy - they will finish above us.
Think tonight will tell us a lot about where Liverpool are at. If they win easily they could go on a run, but if they drop points it's back in our hands.
We've only 5 games left each a week apart. Having no midweek games left might be an advantage in the run-in as it'll give our tired squad a breather.
Post by: Risso on April 26, 2023, 11:53:15 AM
I feel the players are a bit jaded and we couldn't cope with any more injuries to yesterday's starting 11.
But so far so good - we're showing resistance.
Liverpool's run in is easy - they will finish above us.
Spurs MAY get a new manager bounce, particularly if they get Poch in this week
Brighton are the main target. They are still playing extremely well, but the sheer amount of fixtures and quality of opponents makes it very difficult for them. If they get 6th they'll really deserve it.
I think it will be a last day shoot between us for either 6/7th or 7/8th (depending on whether Spurs continue to implode or have a Poch renaissance)
Poch is going to Chelsea, doubt he'll have time to help Spurs as well!
Post by: Flamingo Lane on April 26, 2023, 12:15:07 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 26, 2023, 12:15:23 PM
Well that's one less thing to worry about!I feel the players are a bit jaded and we couldn't cope with any more injuries to yesterday's starting 11.
But so far so good - we're showing resistance.
Liverpool's run in is easy - they will finish above us.
Spurs MAY get a new manager bounce, particularly if they get Poch in this week
Brighton are the main target. They are still playing extremely well, but the sheer amount of fixtures and quality of opponents makes it very difficult for them. If they get 6th they'll really deserve it.
I think it will be a last day shoot between us for either 6/7th or 7/8th (depending on whether Spurs continue to implode or have a Poch renaissance)
Poch is going to Chelsea, doubt he'll have time to help Spurs as well!
Post by: chrisw1 on April 26, 2023, 05:12:50 PM
Of course I would have been happy with this a few months ago.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 26, 2023, 05:17:27 PM
I don't think the players will be going into the remaining five games jaded. They have had no cup games, not many midweek games at all, and from here on in they won't have another midweek game. And against Man Utd we will have had 2 more days to rest than they will. I'm thinking we'll take 7 points from the next 3 games.
So the question remains, why do we always look more knackered despite having more rest time than the team that played a couple of days before, normally in some forgotten corner of Europe?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 26, 2023, 05:19:05 PM
I don't think the players will be going into the remaining five games jaded. They have had no cup games, not many midweek games at all, and from here on in they won't have another midweek game. And against Man Utd we will have had 2 more days to rest than they will. I'm thinking we'll take 7 points from the next 3 games.
So the question remains, why do we always look more knackered despite having more rest time than the team that played a couple of days before, normally in some forgotten corner of Europe?
I'd imagine Unai's analysis sessions are rather draining, at least mentally.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on April 26, 2023, 06:45:49 PM
I don't think the players will be going into the remaining five games jaded. They have had no cup games, not many midweek games at all, and from here on in they won't have another midweek game. And against Man Utd we will have had 2 more days to rest than they will. I'm thinking we'll take 7 points from the next 3 games.
So the question remains, why do we always look more knackered despite having more rest time than the team that played a couple of days before, normally in some forgotten corner of Europe?
I don't think we do look more knackered. Against Brentford, a tough game away, we came on strong seeking an equaliser, and got it with three minutes left, and last night we managed the game out fairly comfortably. The game before those two was Newcastle.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 26, 2023, 07:11:21 PM
Never before has a club's training set up changed so significantly so quickly, with such astounding results.
He's clever in the way he does this, he knows he's got to get the best tune out of what he has currently, and then reconsider what he wants in the summer.
It's remarkable that in the last two games we've looked a long way off our best but we've still taken 4/6 points.
Under Gerrard and many previous managers, that would have been 0/6
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 26, 2023, 07:14:01 PM
Post by: Beard82 on April 26, 2023, 07:23:24 PM
So - good luck to West Ham and Forest tonight!
Post by: IFWaters on April 26, 2023, 10:11:01 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 26, 2023, 10:50:09 PM
Wherever we finish, it really has been a remarkable season.
Never before has a club's training set up changed so significantly so quickly, with such astounding results.
It doesn't mean it's been 'remarkable', it means we've finally joined the 21st century. My god, we've been a magnet for chancers for so, so long. Thankfully, there's no turning back. Now that is remarkable.
I remember DW telling me how our board had kept us back through most of the first half of the 20th century, methods and standards from the previous century; it's taken a very pissed of Egyptian to say enough is enough and drag us into the present day. We're in good hands. Finally.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on April 26, 2023, 11:08:32 PM
Nas bringing in the best manager we’ve had in 40 years, has turned the club around in the space of 5 short months!
And next season should be even better…..
European football to look forward to (hopefully!), Lerner’s blot of a badge finally exorcised from memory, (being replaced with that new majestic round badge), and the already mighty Villa Park getting a facelift in the form of a shiny new North Stand. In March next year, it’s also the club’s 150th anniversary!
This feels different to the false dawns of the past… There’s just an overriding sense that these guys know what they’re doing.
In terms of European qualification, I reckon Brighton along with Spurs will falter, which means if we go all in to win all 5 remaining games, we finish 5th. If we do that, the only team who can mathematically overtake us are Brighton.
European football as well as finishing above Liverpool, Chelsea and Spurs would be bloody brilliant! UTV
Post by: tomd2103 on April 26, 2023, 11:36:34 PM
One result went for us, the other didn't. 4 of Liverpool's remaining games are at home, including to us. Still in our hands though.
Brighton result was a big one. They have got three games in hand on us, npbut now have to win two of those if we can match their points tally in the other five games. First one is Manchester United next week, so a tough one.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 26, 2023, 11:50:55 PM
One result went for us, the other didn't. 4 of Liverpool's remaining games are at home, including to us. Still in our hands though.
Brighton result was a big one. They have got three games in hand on us, npbut now have to win two of those if we can match their points tally in the other five games. First one is Manchester United next week, so a tough one.
Way to look at things. If Brighton lose to all of Newcastle, Arsenal and us away and Man. City at home they can only reach a maximum of 61 points (and that's with us on at least 57 points).
I think they might drop some points in other games, Wolves are a tough team to break down if they score first so could see that being 1-1.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 26, 2023, 11:51:04 PM
Post by: Dick Edwards on April 27, 2023, 07:05:40 AM
Finishing higher than Brighton and Spurs is our target. Liverpool likely take 5th. After today 6th is very possible.
Absolutely this. Liverpool winning last night will keep Manchester United motivated tonight against Tottenham.
Post by: ROBBO on April 27, 2023, 07:19:18 AM
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Post by: Monty on April 27, 2023, 09:58:25 AM
I think we're going to go on a bit of a drawing spree now which may weigh us down. Fascinated to see if we have another Newcastle performance in us but our run-in is tough.
If Spurs lose tonight and to us, that could be the difference-maker we need to make top seven.
Post by: Risso on April 27, 2023, 09:59:42 AM
Post by: not3bad on April 27, 2023, 10:04:35 AM
I don't think the players will be going into the remaining five games jaded. They have had no cup games, not many midweek games at all, and from here on in they won't have another midweek game. And against Man Utd we will have had 2 more days to rest than they will. I'm thinking we'll take 7 points from the next 3 games.
So the question remains, why do we always look more knackered despite having more rest time than the team that played a couple of days before, normally in some forgotten corner of Europe?
Villa dominated the game in the first half against Fulham. Not so much in the 2nd half it's true but I think that was at least partly down to conserving energy. We saw out the game without much trouble so good strategy. Hopefully that will be to our advantage V Manure.
It would also help if they draw 5-5 with Spurs, get 15 minutes injury time and 2 players sent off.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 27, 2023, 10:09:02 AM
Brighton have got a tricky run in as well, and they're also playing twice a week for the rest of the season. They've got Arsenal, Man City, Man U, Newcastle and us in their remaining fixtures.
If we beat Brighton on the last day of the season we'll most probably finish above them. Possibly also Liverpool if we beat them but obviously a trickier prospect away at Anfield. I've a funny feeling we'll finish 6th (based on absolutely nothing scientific like a results predictor, or anything like that).
Post by: Nii Lamptey on April 27, 2023, 10:22:20 AM
Ollie seems to always up his game against the big guns, and I wouldn't be surprised to see us pull maximum points from Old Trafford and Anfield. We're going to have to start to get out of that mindset that we're the underdog at some point, if we want to succeed. Even if Kamara is out for the remainder of the season, Dougie, JJ and McGinn are more than a match for their midfield lineups..... Curtis Jones FFS!?
The one I'm least confident about is Wolves away, so I'm wagering we'll get 13 out of 15 points. UTV!
Post by: LeeB on April 27, 2023, 10:25:56 AM
I think we're underselling how good we actually are - We have the second best form in the league (*with an absolutely exceptional manager!), so we should be seen on an equal footing with pretty much every team bar Man City imo.
Ollie seems to always up his game against the big guns, and I wouldn't be surprised to see us pull maximum points from Old Trafford and Anfield. We're going to have to start to get out of that mindset that we're the underdog at some point, if we want to succeed. Even if Kamara is out for the remainder of the season, Dougie, JJ and McGinn are more than a match for their midfield lineups..... Curtis Jones FFS!?
The one I'm least confident about is Wolves away, so I'm wagering we'll get 13 out of 15 points. UTV!
It's not so much that I'm not confident we can win up at Klanfield or the Theatre of Memes, more the probability of this ridiculous run coming to a halt at the hands of a bent ref in those venues.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on April 27, 2023, 10:28:28 AM
I think we're underselling how good we actually are - We have the second best form in the league (*with an absolutely exceptional manager!), so we should be seen on an equal footing with pretty much every team bar Man City imo.
Ollie seems to always up his game against the big guns, and I wouldn't be surprised to see us pull maximum points from Old Trafford and Anfield. We're going to have to start to get out of that mindset that we're the underdog at some point, if we want to succeed. Even if Kamara is out for the remainder of the season, Dougie, JJ and McGinn are more than a match for their midfield lineups..... Curtis Jones FFS!?
The one I'm least confident about is Wolves away, so I'm wagering we'll get 13 out of 15 points. UTV!
It's not so much that I'm not confident we can win up at Klanfield or the Theatre of Memes, more the probability of this ridiculous run coming to a halt at the hands of a bent ref in those venues.
Fair point. Especially at this end of the season where the powers that be don't want to upset the status quo.
On the subject of cheating, is that Toby jugheaded cheat, Bruno Fernandes crocked? Saw an image of him in a protective boot with crutches on Monday? That's another big plus for us if he's out.
Post by: LeeB on April 27, 2023, 10:31:03 AM
Post by: Monty on April 27, 2023, 10:32:32 AM
Hopefully, and I hope they give Spurs a good twatting tonight, causing the Spurs players to lose it and start kicking them all over the place. That would be grand.
Then all the Spurs players are suspended for us and they need to play the u-21s.
Actually they'd probably be more competitive.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 27, 2023, 12:31:01 PM
Hopefully, and I hope they give Spurs a good twatting tonight, causing the Spurs players to lose it and start kicking them all over the place. That would be grand.
Unfortunately the Spurs players would likely be shit at that too. Probably miss and kick themselves in the bollocks.
Post by: algy on April 27, 2023, 12:32:26 PM
Newcastle vs Brighton; Liverpool v Fulham; Man City vs West Ham; Brighton vs Man Utd; Brighton v Man City; Man Utd vs Chelsea.
To me, Brighton will do well to get anything out of that. Suppose they manage 1pt somewhere. Liverpool will probably beat Fulham. None of the other matches are particularly relevant. That would put the table something like:
4. Newcastle. - 62pts*
5. Liverpool - 56pts
6. Us - 54pts
7. Spurs - 53pts*
8. Brighton - 50pts
9. Brentford - 47pts
* to play tonight
I think catching up Liverpool will be challenging. We need to beat them, and then equal their record in the remaining games (they've a much better goal difference than us, so equal on points is no good).
Spurs are similar - beat them, and regardless of what they do tonight we just have to equal what they do. Our goal differences are similar.
We're starting to pull clear of Brighton. Keep up with the other 2, and their results will be no more relevant to us than Brentford or Fulham's.
Post by: LeeB on April 27, 2023, 12:39:02 PM
Hopefully, and I hope they give Spurs a good twatting tonight, causing the Spurs players to lose it and start kicking them all over the place. That would be grand.
Unfortunately the Spurs players would likely be shit at that too. Probably miss and kick themselves in the bollocks.
I'm thinking of that time they played Chelsea and bollocksed their chance of the title, so went about kicking the shit out of them which is of course perfectly acceptable given it was Chelsea. Still funny that they were in a 2 horse race with Leicester and finished 3rd.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 27, 2023, 12:42:29 PM
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Post by: AV82EC on April 27, 2023, 01:44:22 PM
Post by: Risso on April 27, 2023, 04:58:39 PM
All it needs is for about 5 or 6 teams to go on an amazing run and Chelsea still aren’t safe from relegation. I can but dream….
I haven't worked it out but I bet that's not true unfortunately, as there are lots of games between all the teams at the bottom.
Post by: Dave on April 27, 2023, 05:07:22 PM
All it needs is for about 5 or 6 teams to go on an amazing run and Chelsea still aren’t safe from relegation. I can but dream….
I haven't worked it out but I bet that's not true unfortunately, as there are lots of games between all the teams at the bottom.
F365 did - it's still just about possible.
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11th) West Ham: 34 points to 43 points
Bournemouth (A) 0-4, Liverpool (H) 1-2, Crystal Palace (A) W, Man City (A) L, Man Utd (H) D, Brentford (A) D, Leeds (H) D, Leicester (A) W.
Only “disrespectful” VAR stopped us being bang on the money, with Liverpool sneaking a win at the London Stadium. David Moyes will cut Europa League Conference partying short to ensure a trouncing of Leicester on the final day. Cue Declan Rice tears in a fond farewell.
12th) Bournemouth: 33 points to 43 points
West Ham (H) 0-4, Southampton (A) W, Leeds (H) L, Chelsea (H) W, Crystal Palace (A) W, Man Utd (H) L, Everton (A) D.
Chelsea old boy Dominic Solanke to score the winner at Stamford Bridge as Bournemouth’s striker-less opponents notch the highest xG in recorded history without scoring a goal. Gary O’Neil takes all the acclaim and the Tottenham job.
13th) Crystal Palace: 37 points to 43 points
Everton (H) 0-0, Wolves (A) 0-2, West Ham (H) L, Tottenham (A) W, Bournemouth (H) L, Fulham (A) W, Nottingham Forest (H) L.
A rotten run of defeats to benefit their relegation rivals (and us for the purposes of this article) will test Roy’s blood pressure, but big away wins at Spurs (where the home fans will have entirely turned on their own team) and Fulham (who will have nothing to play for) will be enough for them.
14th) Nottingham Forest: 30 points to 41 points
Liverpool (A) 2-3, Brighton (H) 3-1, Brentford (A) D, Southampton (H) W, Chelsea (A) W, Arsenal (H) D, Crystal Palace (H) W.
Spot on – defeat away at Liverpool, win at home against Brighton. And that three points against the Seagulls suggests they will indeed beat Southampton and Crystal Palace at fortress City Ground. Steve Cooper’s side will win just their second away game of the season at Stamford Bridge in that relegation six-pointer. Frank Lampard’s request to become player-manager, with Chelsea goalless in their last seven, will be denied by the Premier League before kick-off.
15th) Wolves: 37 points to 40 points
Leicester (A) 2-1, Crystal Palace (H) 2-0, Brighton (A) L, Aston Villa (A) W, Man Utd (A) D, Everton (H) L, Arsenal (A) L.
They’ll get thumped away at Brighton and Arsenal, who will need to win by an nine-goal margin on the final day to stand any chance of usurping Manchester City and get close against a Wolves side with the willies. But as it turns out, with Chelsea f***ing it entirely, Diego Costa’s winner at Villa Park is enough.
16th) Leeds: 30 points to 40 points
Fulham (A) 1-2, Leicester (H) 1-1, Bournemouth (A) W, Man City (A) L, Newcastle (H) D, West Ham (A) W, Tottenham (H) W.
We know what you’re thinking – this is quite the run of results for quite a sh*t Leeds team. And if anything is going to save Chelsea (because it certainly doesn’t look as though they’re going to do it themselves) it will be Leeds failing to get ten points from their last five games.
17th) Everton: 28 points to 39 points
Crystal Palace (A) 0-0, Newcastle (H) W, Leicester (A) W, Brighton (A) D, Man City (H) L, Wolves (A) W, Bournemouth (H) D.
Dominic Calvert-Lewin to start scoring. The Everton players are booed off at half-time on the final day as they’re behind against Bournemouth, but those boos turn to cheers at the final whistle as a draw ensures their top-flight status on goal difference after chaos at Stamford Bridge.
18th) Chelsea: 39 points to 39 points
Brentford (H) 0-2, Arsenal (A) L, Bournemouth (A) L, Nottingham Forest (H) L, Manchester City (A) L, Man Utd (A) L, Newcastle (H) L.
Pointless in their last eight, Chelsea need a win on the final day to be sure of Premier League survival.
Mason Mount, handed his first start since mid-February, scores a cracker early in the second half to ease concerns, but Lampard rings the changes on the hour mark in an attempt to shut up shop and panic sets in as Newcastle pile on the pressure. A goal each for Alexander Isak and Callum Wilson in stoppage time condemns Chelsea to the Championship, at which point they beg Mount to stay amid an exodus and he tells them to f*** right off. Lampard stays, though. Every cloud.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 27, 2023, 05:08:47 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 27, 2023, 05:30:38 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 27, 2023, 05:33:43 PM
We have more chance of Champions League than Chelsea being relegated.
It's still a chance.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 27, 2023, 05:36:41 PM
Post by: eamonn on April 27, 2023, 05:52:00 PM
I so want this to happen however unlikely
Apart from the bit about Diego Costa scoring the winner against us (not at VP as they say, we've already played Wulfs at home).
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 27, 2023, 05:58:28 PM
We have more chance of Champions League than Chelsea being relegated.
Is it being greedy to ask for both?
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 27, 2023, 06:04:09 PM
perfectly reasonable.We have more chance of Champions League than Chelsea being relegated.
Is it being greedy to ask for both?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 27, 2023, 08:10:51 PM
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 27, 2023, 08:52:30 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on April 27, 2023, 10:22:37 PM
Spurs got a good point tonight and may well use this to push on and get 6th
I think it's really between us and Brighton and they have 3 games in hand. Could well come down to the final day.
VERY edgy now
Post by: IFWaters on April 27, 2023, 10:33:06 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 27, 2023, 10:36:57 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on April 27, 2023, 10:41:15 PM
my view would be great to be in Europe next season, however from a club perspective not a major let down, as we will get there for sure in another 12 months.
Same here.
Unai and the team have done an excellent job to give us a chance, but it won't be a big setback if we don't get there.
Post by: Flin5tone on April 27, 2023, 10:43:24 PM
I'm well aware it's trendy to have little digs at me but as time goes on I think many members of this forum are starting to realise quite often I'm right and have excellent insight
We are on the verge of something special at the football club that nobody would have imagined a few months ago. I'm a little anxious this opportunity won't come around again anytime soon.
We need 100% from EVERYONE and our remaining fixtures are all cup finals and hopefully we will get enough points to achieve at least a Conference League position.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 27, 2023, 10:50:18 PM
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Post by: adrenachrome on April 28, 2023, 01:22:17 AM
Funny how things go. I'll be very pleased if Unai leads us into the Conference this season, and yet after the Fulham away game I was worried that a few more years of Gerrard in charge would see him take us into the Conference.
It is a quite astonishing turn around.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 28, 2023, 06:54:52 AM
I understand people saying it's been a great turnaround regardless, which is true of course, but now we're close it would be a real shame not to see it out.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 28, 2023, 10:16:39 AM
Napoli fans following the team bus after they arrive home at 3am.
This sort of insanity is what I miss about Europe. Although obvs, 25k at home to FC Sovietmetalworks from Brno isn't the same.
Post by: Monty on April 28, 2023, 10:20:10 AM
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Post by: eamonn on April 28, 2023, 11:11:51 AM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 28, 2023, 11:27:47 AM
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Post by: chrisw1 on April 28, 2023, 12:09:53 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 28, 2023, 12:29:36 PM
I think we will finish 6th. Emery seems to have it all in hand.
Same here, see you in Dublin next May.
Post by: johnc on April 28, 2023, 12:32:40 PM
In the Gravediggers?I think we will finish 6th. Emery seems to have it all in hand.
Same here, see you in Dublin next May.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 28, 2023, 12:35:10 PM
I think we will finish 6th. Emery seems to have it all in hand.
Same here, see you in Dublin next May.
In the Gravediggers?
Of course, being an adopted Northsider. Maybe one or two in The Hut as we make our way into town.
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2023, 12:40:48 PM
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 28, 2023, 12:56:51 PM
Is Slapper Face Jacks still going? I very much liked it in there.
I believe so, I've only been in it once after a very messy day watching Ireland v England in the rugby in 2001.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 28, 2023, 01:18:35 PM
I like The Confession Box and Briophy's
The Confession Box is a good pub (not been to Briody's) as is the nearby Cleary's on Amiens St. Let's hope we all get a chance to update our reviews. :)
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2023, 01:21:39 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on April 28, 2023, 03:11:09 PM
I reckon we're going to finish 7th which I think would qualify us for Europa conference. We're going to need a bigger squad.
Would take the Conference League to be honest, as I think it is a tournament we could potentially win.
Also, with the standard being a bit lower, we would be able to rotate the squad a bit more in the earlier stages.
Post by: Richard on April 29, 2023, 09:27:42 AM
M City
Arsenal
Newcastle
M Utd
Liverpool
Spurs
Villa
Brighton
West London x3
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 29, 2023, 09:53:42 AM
Post by: Flin5tone on April 29, 2023, 10:56:32 AM
Post by: Risso on April 29, 2023, 10:59:10 AM
Looking at some of the big hitters lurking around the conference spots on the continent it could be a very competitive and interesting competition that we could go all the way in.
Disgra...ah, good point actually.
Post by: Monty on April 29, 2023, 11:03:40 AM
Looking at some of the big hitters lurking around the conference spots on the continent it could be a very competitive and interesting competition that we could go all the way in.
Disgra...ah, good point actually.
I know right? God damn it.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 29, 2023, 11:07:40 AM
Looking at some of the big hitters lurking around the conference spots on the continent it could be a very competitive and interesting competition that we could go all the way in.Is that you Flin?
Post by: john e on April 29, 2023, 01:31:09 PM
50,000 capacity
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 29, 2023, 01:32:47 PM
Unfortunately, everyone else knows said record, so the odds would be shite.
Post by: john e on April 29, 2023, 01:34:23 PM
If we get in to either the Europa League or the Conference thing, with Emery's absolutely outstanding record in European knock out competitions, I'm going to stick £500 on us to win it.
Unfortunately, everyone else knows said record, so the odds would be shite.
Let’s hope his record with us in our domestic knockout cups improves
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 29, 2023, 01:38:35 PM
If we get in to either the Europa League or the Conference thing, with Emery's absolutely outstanding record in European knock out competitions, I'm going to stick £500 on us to win it.
Unfortunately, everyone else knows said record, so the odds would be shite.
You’ll benefit briefly from everyone writing off little Aston Villa until we start mowing teams down all across the continent.
Post by: TonyD on April 29, 2023, 02:43:35 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 29, 2023, 03:06:33 PM
I think the conference league final next year’s in Dublin
50,000 capacity
The Europa League final is in Dublin next season. The 2024 Europa Conference League final venue won't be decided till next month.
Post by: eamonn on April 29, 2023, 03:34:41 PM
We will not finish below spurs.
We will not finish above Brighton if they keep playing like this. That Enciso is totes incisive.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 29, 2023, 03:44:12 PM
Not even close to Brighton's strongest 11 either.
Actually reminds me of when we scrambled clear under Sherwood and then lost 6-1 at Southampton once safe.
Post by: eamonn on April 29, 2023, 04:01:05 PM
Post by: LeeB on April 29, 2023, 09:03:02 PM
I think the conference league final next year’s in Dublin
50,000 capacity
The Europa League final is in Dublin next season. The 2024 Europa Conference League final venue won't be decided till next month.
Christ, that would be magnificent.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 29, 2023, 09:18:38 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on April 30, 2023, 06:10:59 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 30, 2023, 06:12:45 PM
Looking a lot less likely now , unfortunately
Yep, Champions League qualification is gone now.
Post by: Flin5tone on April 30, 2023, 06:18:32 PM
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 30, 2023, 06:28:47 PM
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Post by: wittonwarrior on April 30, 2023, 07:21:06 PM
Post by: eamonn on April 30, 2023, 07:32:06 PM
We probably would need to win 3 out of our last 4 (Wolves, Spurs, Brighton) I reckon.
Two and two draws.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on May 02, 2023, 07:31:00 AM
Post by: Drummond on May 02, 2023, 07:36:04 AM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on May 02, 2023, 07:43:45 AM
Post by: darren woolley on May 02, 2023, 09:19:16 AM
Post by: Flin5tone on May 02, 2023, 09:24:41 AM
Wolves and Spurs are MUST WINS
Post by: tomd2103 on May 02, 2023, 02:02:46 PM
5 of the 7 games Brighton have to play in May are against teams above them in the table. They play manyoo, arsenal and newcastle in the next 4.
If we get 7 points from our remaining games, Brighton would need 9 from their remaining games to finish above us (they have got 7 left to play). 9 points and they would then need to probably win at least 3 of their games.
The Spurs and Brighton games are probably going to be the pivotal ones in determining if we get into Europe. Win both of those and I think we will have every chance.
Post by: London Villan on May 02, 2023, 02:22:12 PM
Brighton's fixtures...
Man U H
Everton H
Arsenal A
Newcastle A
Southampton H
Man C H
Us A
7 or 8 points
Meaning we'll need at least 6 and to beat them.
Not over yet.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 02, 2023, 02:29:59 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 02, 2023, 02:55:11 PM
Three wins? Big ask.
Brighton's fixtures...
Man U H
Everton H
Arsenal A
Newcastle A
Southampton H
Man C H
Us A
7 or 8 points
Meaning we'll need at least 6 and to beat them.
Not over yet.
If we were playing that run of games, let alone in the space of a few weeks and irrespective of how we were playing, we would all be hopeful of a decent return let alone any grand expectations. That’s a very tough run in for them.
Post by: London Villan on May 02, 2023, 03:18:49 PM
Win Everton/S'oton
Draw three of the others.
Lose two
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 02, 2023, 03:31:26 PM
5 of the 7 games Brighton have to play in May are against teams above them in the table. They play manyoo, arsenal and newcastle in the next 4.
If we get 7 points from our remaining games, Brighton would need 9 from their remaining games to finish above us (they have got 7 left to play). 9 points and they would then need to probably win at least 3 of their games.
The Spurs and Brighton games are probably going to be the pivotal ones in determining if we get into Europe. Win both of those and I think we will have every chance.
Agreed, a win against Wolves would be nice but a draw and winning those two home games would give us a decent chance of Europe.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 02, 2023, 06:20:50 PM
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Post by: bob on May 02, 2023, 07:04:10 PM
On the 31st of March they were still in the top 4. Staggering.
We were behind Chelsea when we met on April 1st!
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 02, 2023, 07:08:39 PM
I agree Brighton have some difficult fixtures but they're a really good team, I could see them winning most of them, it's just a case of whether they will tire with the frequency of them. I would be surprised if it wasn't them and Liverpool in 5 and 6. I think we will need to beat them last game though to get 7th unless Spurs manage to be even shitter than they already are. I don't think I've ever seen a shitter team be in contention for the top 6. I suppose it shows that just having a couple of top players can pull you out of the shit sometimes.
Brighton are really, really good.
They slaughtered Wolves without even bothering to play 2 of their best players until 70 mins, and with another one of them out injured and replaced by Danny Fucking Wellbeck.
Post by: Dave on May 02, 2023, 07:19:37 PM
I agree Brighton have some difficult fixtures but they're a really good team, I could see them winning most of them, it's just a case of whether they will tire with the frequency of them. I would be surprised if it wasn't them and Liverpool in 5 and 6. I think we will need to beat them last game though to get 7th unless Spurs manage to be even shitter than they already are. I don't think I've ever seen a shitter team be in contention for the top 6. I suppose it shows that just having a couple of top players can pull you out of the shit sometimes.
Brighton are really, really good.
They slaughtered Wolves without even bothering to play 2 of their best players until 70 mins, and with another one of them out injured and replaced by Danny Fucking Wellbeck.
Four of them even - the Brighton players most linked with big moves away, Caicdeo, MacAllister, Mitoma and Ferguson played 84 combined minutes and none started.
Post by: john2710 on May 02, 2023, 08:39:50 PM
We'll need 61-62 points to get 7th, although West Ham got it with 56 last season.
Post by: eamonn on May 03, 2023, 10:08:41 AM
Sometimes they're a bit wet behind the ears and as good as their coach is, he doesn't have the wily brain of Emery. If it's a straight shoot-out on the last day, we'll do 'em.
As for Spudz, they think they're above the likes of the Europa Conference so if they do pip us to 7th, we can ask them to vacate their participation.
Post by: OCD on May 03, 2023, 11:33:03 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on May 03, 2023, 11:48:23 AM
The combination of those fixtures, their frequency and Brighton's squad size makes for quite the combination. It means they're going to have to sustain really high levels when in reality, fatigue is going to be a factor. Even with the 2 games against the strugglers, they'll be fighting for their lives so it's going to take a toll. They should be pretty knackered by the time they come to play us.They've shown against Wolves that they'll rotate. They could hardly have easier games than Everton & Southampton. Not many of their key players will play 7 games. And their 3 most important have all just been rested.
Post by: Lsvilla on May 03, 2023, 12:01:38 PM
Post by: Dave P on May 04, 2023, 08:54:36 AM
I'd be quite disappointed if we missed out on Europe from here but I think 8th is probably the most likely.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 04, 2023, 09:16:24 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 04, 2023, 09:36:36 AM
I just wanna win some more games. I’m not used to it yet so I still fucking love it.
https://twitter.com/GGreeneJr/status/1594407440078065674
The Future's bright, get your passport ready. 8)
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 04, 2023, 11:05:14 AM
Brighton can hurt them in ways we can't and De Gea will chuck one in at some point I suspect.
It's really key for us that Brighton don't win as their other two spare games are Newcastle away and Man. City at home so this is by far the most winnable of the trio.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on May 04, 2023, 11:25:17 AM
Post by: Risso on May 04, 2023, 11:27:25 AM
The only way we can't finish top half is if Chelsea win all their games and we lose all of ours. Not really going to happen, so the first objective has been smashed.
I'd be quite disappointed if we missed out on Europe from here but I think 8th is probably the most likely.
I'd be gutted if Brentford (4 points behind) overtake us and we finish 9th. They've got Liverpool and Man City to play though, so hopefully it won't happen.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 04, 2023, 11:37:54 AM
The only way we can't finish top half is if Chelsea win all their games and we lose all of ours. Not really going to happen, so the first objective has been smashed.
I'd be quite disappointed if we missed out on Europe from here but I think 8th is probably the most likely.
I'd be gutted if Brentford (4 points behind) overtake us and we finish 9th. They've got Liverpool and Man City to play though, so hopefully it won't happen.
I was also concerned about that until I looked at their run-in. They've also got Spurs away so even if they win that it's good for us.
Post by: olaftab on May 04, 2023, 04:53:21 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on May 04, 2023, 10:01:45 PM
Between us and spurs
I'm not very hopeful
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 04, 2023, 10:05:38 PM
I think it's all over
Between us and spurs
I'm not very hopeful
My, that was quick, but you might want to look at the remaining fixtures. Win 3 of our 4 games and we'll likely finish 6th.
Post by: danno on May 04, 2023, 10:06:08 PM
I think it's all over
Between us and spurs
I'm not very hopeful
that surprises me, you're normally so positive
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 04, 2023, 10:46:15 PM
Can see Man. United getting turned over pretty comfortably. Always seems to happen on that rare yearly occasion when you want them to help us out a bit. Wanted them to get something at Anfield two months back and they lost 7-0 and couldn't even hang on to 2-0 lead at Spurs.
Brighton can hurt them in ways we can't and De Gea will chuck one in at some point I suspect.
It's really key for us that Brighton don't win as their other two spare games are Newcastle away and Man. City at home so this is by far the most winnable of the trio.
Bad result for us I'm afraid.
Brighton beat Southampton and Everton at home on its own and that gets them to 61 points and they could easily get some points from the other games.
We need to win our next two to still have a chance of finishing above them on last day I think. Or perhaps it will work the other way, they'll win their next 3-4 and be already qualified for europe and so it will be a dead game for them compared to us.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 04, 2023, 10:47:48 PM
Yes, with a champions League spot pretty much wrapped already, I envisage Man Utd rather going through the motions this evening. Brighton were the clearly better team in the FA Cup semi-final the other week, and I reckon they will win this game comfortably.
Not sure what Man. United were smoking that second half. If Rashford is injured or disinterested they're a very average team going forward.
Liverpool are only 4 points off them now with better GD so Man. United are a long way from confirming top 4.
Post by: Risso on May 05, 2023, 09:57:14 AM
Post by: Drummond on May 05, 2023, 09:59:25 AM
Post by: john e on May 05, 2023, 10:19:21 AM
home game against Spurs which i fancy us to win
we'll get nothing at Anfield (see Old Trafford)
then hopefully a Europe or bust decider against Brighton, they might have already qualified for Europe by then and might not be at it
with Spurs away at Leeds who hopefully will still be needing points to stay up and that 7th spot could be ours
thats the way i see it but it all starts on Saturday against Wolves
Post by: TaxDodger on May 05, 2023, 10:21:58 AM
I appreciate we then have to go to Anfield and they finish with two easier fixtures, but there is absoloutely no guarantee that Spurs will win their non-Villa games. Particularly on the final day when they have to go to Elland Road with Leeds probably fighting for their lives.
Post by: Drummond on May 05, 2023, 10:24:56 AM
Post by: OCD on May 05, 2023, 11:21:48 AM
I think we can get something at Liverpool too. In the games of theirs recently there's been weaknesses in their defence which can be exposed.
Post by: darren woolley on May 05, 2023, 11:24:50 AM
Post by: SamTheMouse on May 05, 2023, 11:28:06 AM
Hope I'm wrong and we are able to get back to the level we showed against the Saudis.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 05, 2023, 11:31:03 AM
Just four games to go we can make Europe I'm positive about this.All depends on availability I think Darren.
We are beginning to look a bit tired.
Post by: OCD on May 05, 2023, 11:34:56 AM
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Post by: Drummond on May 05, 2023, 12:31:45 PM
Post by: Bobby Boy on May 05, 2023, 01:34:20 PM
Up the Hammers it is then!
Post by: curiousorange on May 05, 2023, 01:38:04 PM
Sorry if this has already been mentioned but if West Ham win the Conference League then they would qualify for the Europa League next season and as they won't have qualified by virtue of their league position then the 8th placed EPL team will qualify for the Conference League.
Up the Hammers it is then!
Spam winning a trophy for Villa in Europe again? God, why do you test me so?
Post by: Drummond on May 05, 2023, 01:50:16 PM
Sorry if this has already been mentioned but if West Ham win the Conference League then they would qualify for the Europa League next season and as they won't have qualified by virtue of their league position then the 8th placed EPL team will qualify for the Conference League.
Up the Hammers it is then!
I'm not sure why that would be the case, and I'm almost certain it doesn't apply, unless they were to finish in the Top6/7.
Post by: Risso on May 05, 2023, 01:52:54 PM
Sorry if this has already been mentioned but if West Ham win the Conference League then they would qualify for the Europa League next season and as they won't have qualified by virtue of their league position then the 8th placed EPL team will qualify for the Conference League.
Up the Hammers it is then!
I'm not sure why that would be the case, and I'm almost certain it doesn't apply, unless they were to finish in the Top6/7.
It isn't the case. The Conference winners go into the Europa League as an extra place, it has no bearing on qualification via the league.
"The winner of UEFA Europa Conference League is guaranteed a place in UEFA Europa League group stages. If a Premier League club win the UEFA Europa Conference League and do not qualify for the UEFA Europa League via the Premier League or the FA Cup, then they enter the UEFA Europa League group stages as an additional club. "
It makes no difference, so hope they lose.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 05, 2023, 03:38:02 PM
Yeh, fak em.Sorry if this has already been mentioned but if West Ham win the Conference League then they would qualify for the Europa League next season and as they won't have qualified by virtue of their league position then the 8th placed EPL team will qualify for the Conference League.
Up the Hammers it is then!
I'm not sure why that would be the case, and I'm almost certain it doesn't apply, unless they were to finish in the Top6/7.
It isn't the case. The Conference winners go into the Europa League as an extra place, it has no bearing on qualification via the league.
"The winner of UEFA Europa Conference League is guaranteed a place in UEFA Europa League group stages. If a Premier League club win the UEFA Europa Conference League and do not qualify for the UEFA Europa League via the Premier League or the FA Cup, then they enter the UEFA Europa League group stages as an additional club. "
It makes no difference, so hope they lose.
Post by: Drummond on May 05, 2023, 03:41:23 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 06, 2023, 04:49:43 PM
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on May 06, 2023, 04:52:53 PM
Massive upgrades for next season needed.
Post by: curiousorange on May 06, 2023, 04:53:16 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 06, 2023, 04:53:17 PM
Post by: Smirker on May 06, 2023, 04:53:43 PM
Its not over though, we have to beat Tottenham.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 06, 2023, 04:54:09 PM
That Is the difference.
Post by: TonyD on May 06, 2023, 04:54:12 PM
Strange as I would have put my house on it a couple of weeks ago.
Post by: Monty on May 06, 2023, 04:54:21 PM
Ah well, still kind of amazing to be disappointed by that at this stage of the season. Doesn't stop you being disappointed, but there we are.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 06, 2023, 04:54:52 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 06, 2023, 04:56:01 PM
Post by: Monty on May 06, 2023, 04:56:08 PM
We looked so superb against Newcastle and then piss poor in every match since then.
Definite feeling of having peaked. Or getting actually taken seriously and a bit sussed.
Or maybe, maybe our players shouldn't have been giving away our tactics in interviews! But meh, I'm sure that actually made no difference, you just have to wonder.
Post by: Dave P on May 06, 2023, 04:56:21 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 06, 2023, 04:56:26 PM
We looked so superb against Newcastle and then piss poor in every match since then.I think we peaked and then ran out of gas, we have a very thin squad and in the end that is what has done us.
Post by: curiousorange on May 06, 2023, 04:57:06 PM
We looked so superb against Newcastle and then piss poor in every match since then.
It's because all of a sudden those childhood dreams of playing in the UEFA Conference League were a possibility.
Post by: Smirker on May 06, 2023, 04:57:53 PM
With a cost of living crisis, I’m glad I haven’t got to find £50 to watch us at home to Real Paella and Dynamo Concrete
😂
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 06, 2023, 04:58:18 PM
And if we'd kept Gerrard longer we could now have Allardyce in charge trying to scramble enough points to stay up. I'm delighted with what we've done under Emery and the recent results don't change that.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 06, 2023, 04:58:42 PM
We looked so superb against Newcastle and then piss poor in every match since then.
Truth be told we were running out of energy and ideas leading up to the Saudi game. I thought that was the game where we'd finally stepped up but obviously it hasn't been the case.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 06, 2023, 05:00:17 PM
Post by: Dave P on May 06, 2023, 05:01:01 PM
Post by: Villan82 on May 06, 2023, 05:04:18 PM
I am gutted.
Post by: Monty on May 06, 2023, 05:08:33 PM
It's a minor miracle we've been so close to it after giving everyone an 11 game start.
And if we'd kept Gerrard longer we could now have Allardyce in charge trying to scramble enough points to stay up. I'm delighted with what we've done under Emery and the recent results don't change that.
Agreed. All the teams in this minileague race for Europe have had their 'good teaam being shit for a bit' spells - ours is coming now, which is annoying, but had we not given everyone else such a headstart it wouldn't be as damaging.
Post by: Smirker on May 06, 2023, 05:13:34 PM
It's a minor miracle we've been so close to it after giving everyone an 11 game start.
And if we'd kept Gerrard longer we could now have Allardyce in charge trying to scramble enough points to stay up. I'm delighted with what we've done under Emery and the recent results don't change that.
Agreed. All the teams in this minileague race for Europe have had their 'good teaam being shit for a bit' spells - ours is coming now, which is annoying, but had we not given everyone else such a headstart it wouldn't be as damaging.
Thank you for the perspective.
We're beating Spurs and getting 7th.
Conference League is happening.
Thank you.
Post by: Rory on May 06, 2023, 05:18:17 PM
With a cost of living crisis, I’m glad I haven’t got to find £50 to watch us at home to Real Paella and Dynamo Concrete
😂
Dynamo Concrete sound great!
I hear their manager is really building something there. (Sorry.)
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 06, 2023, 05:27:59 PM
With a cost of living crisis, I’m glad I haven’t got to find £50 to watch us at home to Real Paella and Dynamo Concrete
😂
Dynamo Concrete sound great!
I hear their manager is really building something there. (Sorry.)
They start their matches with real fluidity but quickly become static. Tough to break down though.
Post by: curiousorange on May 06, 2023, 05:30:17 PM
With a cost of living crisis, I’m glad I haven’t got to find £50 to watch us at home to Real Paella and Dynamo Concrete
😂
Dynamo Concrete sound great!
I hear their manager is really building something there. (Sorry.)
They start their matches with real fluidity but quickly become static. Tough to break down though.
Quite brutal, too.
Post by: Chris Smith on May 06, 2023, 05:35:23 PM
It's a minor miracle we've been so close to it after giving everyone an 11 game start.
And if we'd kept Gerrard longer we could now have Allardyce in charge trying to scramble enough points to stay up. I'm delighted with what we've done under Emery and the recent results don't change that.
Completely agree. There’s a short term disappointment with the way that the game went today but it doesn’t detract from the massive progress we’ve made since Emery arrived.
Post by: Rory on May 06, 2023, 05:42:27 PM
With a cost of living crisis, I’m glad I haven’t got to find £50 to watch us at home to Real Paella and Dynamo Concrete
😂
Dynamo Concrete sound great!
I hear their manager is really building something there. (Sorry.)
They start their matches with real fluidity but quickly become static. Tough to break down though.
Quite brutal, too.
A group game maybe, but over a two-legged tie I couldn't see us beating them on aggregate.
Post by: nigel on May 06, 2023, 05:49:24 PM
Had us and spurs down as draws, so them winning is a bit of a bugger.
I think the injuries to Kamara and Cash are the ones that have impacted us most.
I doubt Ash expected to play as much as he has, so must be really feeling the pace.
Kamara was arguably our best player this season so was always going to be a big miss.
Post by: curiousorange on May 06, 2023, 05:49:29 PM
With a cost of living crisis, I’m glad I haven’t got to find £50 to watch us at home to Real Paella and Dynamo Concrete
😂
Dynamo Concrete sound great!
I hear their manager is really building something there. (Sorry.)
They start their matches with real fluidity but quickly become static. Tough to break down though.
Quite brutal, too.
A group game maybe, but over a two-legged tie I couldn't see us beating them on aggregate.
It'll come down to who has more grit.
Post by: sid1964 on May 06, 2023, 05:51:01 PM
Centerback, attacking / creative midfielder, centre forward and a wide attacking forward
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 06, 2023, 05:55:35 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 06, 2023, 05:56:36 PM
Post by: olaftab on May 06, 2023, 05:56:55 PM
Post by: Dave P on May 06, 2023, 06:14:03 PM
Still think we will get 7th, think we will beat Spurs.
Don’t do it to yourself. Accept it, it’s fine.
Post by: Villan82 on May 06, 2023, 06:16:57 PM
Post by: Drummond on May 06, 2023, 06:21:24 PM
However, just when some depth is needed... Who knows, we've a week to recover and plan, and get the 4 back up to speed.
Post by: Rory on May 06, 2023, 06:23:50 PM
With a cost of living crisis, I’m glad I haven’t got to find £50 to watch us at home to Real Paella and Dynamo Concrete
😂
Dynamo Concrete sound great!
I hear their manager is really building something there. (Sorry.)
They start their matches with real fluidity but quickly become static. Tough to break down though.
Quite brutal, too.
A group game maybe, but over a two-legged tie I couldn't see us beating them on aggregate.
It'll come down to who has more grit.
Yep, that's the foundation of success.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 06, 2023, 06:24:50 PM
Other results stopped going our way a couple of weeks ago at just the precise moment that we started to lose some of that forward momentum. Just bloody typical
I joked a few weeks ago that Liverpool would probably shake out of their coma and win six straight, they're 45 minutes away from doing so.
Annoying they've hit their best winning run of the season by a mile but that's what the better squads in the league are capable of after months of mediocre football.
Post by: curiousorange on May 06, 2023, 06:44:05 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 06, 2023, 06:57:12 PM
Post by: Bobby Boy on May 06, 2023, 07:00:10 PM
Fuck it. Might be nuts but I say we still make it. We do Spurs next weekend, we will get a point at Anfield and beat Brighton. Spurs to draw vs Brentford and then lose last day at relegation threatened Leeds. We take that last spot.
Man, I love your optimism!
The atmosphere next Saturday should be something else. Shit or bust!
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 06, 2023, 07:05:49 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 06, 2023, 07:16:59 PM
The key word that leaps out there is 'squad'. They have one worth the name, we don't. We have a 1st X, a choice of ineffective right winger and a draw full of odds and sods.
Yeah, that's about right I reckon
Still, sort that this summer, and we're looking up, big time.
Post by: Risso on May 06, 2023, 07:20:58 PM
Fuck it. Might be nuts but I say we still make it. We do Spurs next weekend, we will get a point at Anfield and beat Brighton. Spurs to draw vs Brentford and then lose last day at relegation threatened Leeds. We take that last spot.
Nah. That's the sort of thing that Arsenal fans are saying despite their title ambitions evaporating weeks ago. We won't win another game this season. Draw against Spurs, losses to both Liverpool and Brighton. Emery's still done a great job, but this tail off is hugely disappointing.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 06, 2023, 07:39:37 PM
If we are going to go down in this fight for that last spot then let’s go down swinging. I don’t believe we will just throw in the towel. Everyone at the club wants to be in with a chance going into the last two games. Spurs on paper have easier games than us after next week but it won’t matter if we don’t put ourselves in position to put pressure on them. A big performance next week and we are right back in it.
It will be interesting to see how Emery approachs next week. I get the feeling he'll play it like the away game, keep things tight and 0-0 at half time and then step it up second.
I think we need to come out swinging like v Newcastle. It might go wrong but the manager talks of us playing with more risk so this is a perfect game to do that.
Liverpool and Newcastle were 3 or 4 nil up in first 15 minutes v this lot so you don't need endless exceptional moves to come off to score goals v Spurs.
Think crowd will start getting a bit tetchy again if we show fear in our play aswell.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 06, 2023, 07:58:36 PM
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 06, 2023, 08:53:40 PM
Spurs haven't been great, but Kane has 8 goals in his last 9 league games including 3 in the last 4, and Son has 4 in 6. Watkins has 0 in 4 and doesn't really look like he's getting back to his form before that any time soon.
You might end up being right. Last three weekends haven’t been great and maybe we’ve run out of steam at the wrong moment. I just think there is one more big effort next week and we beat Spurs leaving it all in the balance with two games to go. But 4 points from the last 12 has put a massive dent in our chances so it’s an uphill climb.
Post by: Risso on May 06, 2023, 09:04:34 PM
Spurs haven't been great, but Kane has 8 goals in his last 9 league games including 3 in the last 4, and Son has 4 in 6. Watkins has 0 in 4 and doesn't really look like he's getting back to his form before that any time soon.
You might end up being right. Last three weekends haven’t been great and maybe we’ve run out of steam at the wrong moment. I just think there is one more big effort next week and we beat Spurs leaving it all in the balance with two games to go. But 4 points from the last 12 has put a massive dent in our chances so it’s an uphill climb.
We need to beat them 3-0 just to go ahead of them. They've then got Brentford at home and Leeds away. We've got Liverpool away and Brighton at home. No chance we're finishing above them, basically.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 06, 2023, 09:11:18 PM
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 07, 2023, 12:44:11 AM
Spurs haven't been great, but Kane has 8 goals in his last 9 league games including 3 in the last 4, and Son has 4 in 6. Watkins has 0 in 4 and doesn't really look like he's getting back to his form before that any time soon.
Yes their forwards will be a problem and can always decide tight games.
Just shows we need far more in final third next season if we seriously want to challenge for 6th or above. Son's had a very poor season but still got 10 premier league goals which is still more than Bailey and Buendia's combined totals which puts things in perspective a bit.
Duran punts are all well and good but we need some proven quality and also give Archer a proper chance.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on May 07, 2023, 05:58:11 AM
Or maybe, maybe our players shouldn't have been giving away our tactics in interviews! But meh, I'm sure that actually made no difference, you just have to wonder.
Yes, that's what I and a mate chatted about yesterday too. Ever since we told the world about exactly what Watkins now does, he has been shut down. And Ten Hag did a number on us for sure, completely nullifying our midfeld. I can't help thinking all our crowing in the press about what we do has had some impact.
Anyway, said mate of mine is a hopeless pessimist who always predict we'll lose. It's clearly self-aimed reverse psychology but he also proceeded to say we will now end the season with five straight losses. Which I nervously laughed away. But now I can't get it out of my head.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 07, 2023, 06:26:26 AM
And add a side order of very gentle fury at the people who moan that we never get 'credit' in the media after a half-decent draw against Ipswich. I am a rationalist. I therefore believe in the savage power of the jinx, as it relates to football. Whatever 'credit' is, we got it a few weeks ago. It now looks like that's all we're getting
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 07, 2023, 07:18:40 AM
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Post by: Steve67 on May 07, 2023, 07:31:06 AM
After Project Gerrard, getting ourselves in the position where European football was even a possibility has required us to maintain the third best form in the league over more than half of the season. However, we aren’t the third best team in the league, so the fact that we haven’t been able to maintain that form over the last 4-games shouldn’t be too surprising or dispiriting. It does feel like teams have been able to work us out, so I’m hoping that recruitment in the summer will allow us to adapt better to different opposition.
Thanks for taking the time to post, given how busy you are with trying to keep Leeds up! 😂
I agree with every word of this. Recruitment is key now. Other than four or five of the current 11 they are upgradable in terms of, they are ok, but there is better out there. I trust Emery to push for what he wants and Alemany will surely help that cause.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 07, 2023, 07:36:32 AM
Post by: Drummond on May 07, 2023, 09:49:12 AM
I don’t buy this teams have worked us out, against Newcastle we were full of energy, movement and accurate passing and since then not.
I think you're right. But also that we need to adapt in some situations a bit more too; our passing when the opposition make it really tight is letting us down a little.
It's taking good goals to beat us still. That header was really good yesterday (though should he have been able to win it in the first place?)
Spurs will be up for it next week, in fact, the way it's all going we've got the proverbial Cup Final every game...
Post by: Pete3206 on May 07, 2023, 10:12:43 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on May 07, 2023, 10:21:38 AM
I don’t buy this teams have worked us out, against Newcastle we were full of energy, movement and accurate passing and since then not.
I think you're right. But also that we need to adapt in some situations a bit more too; our passing when the opposition make it really tight is letting us down a little.
It's taking good goals to beat us still. That header was really good yesterday (though should he have been able to win it in the first place?)
For their goal I think all the tussling before the kick was taken, with the ref intervening a couple of times, seemed to disrupt our concentration and it was a pretty much unchallenged header. It makes you wonder whether the whole wrestling match was a premeditated plan to upset our organisation.
Post by: Drummond on May 07, 2023, 11:10:00 AM
Post by: RamboandBruno on May 07, 2023, 11:18:20 AM
Leeds are dreadful. Spurs will beat them easily, whether Leeds need the points or not. Brighton are probably the most in form team in the league right now other than Man City, and need the points too. I'd much rather have to face Leeds than them.Spurs form over the last 4 games is no better than our form. This is the opposite to an irrationally optimistic post.
There is no reason why we can’t beat spurs next week. There is also no reason why they won’t struggle against Brentford at home.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 07, 2023, 11:22:16 AM
Yep, it was Ramsey who was on him, and it's not the first time he's not quite been there, I wonder whether he has mental fatigue. Which is understandable in a younger player, again, where a replacement would be good.It was a completely free header which is disappointing.
Post by: eamonn on May 07, 2023, 11:24:09 AM
He was pretty pragmatic - happy with how we controlled possession against Wolves, disappointing not to force an equaliser etc. But he quickly moved on, unprompted, to talk about the Spurs game and how basically it was a do or die for Europe. He's usually been circumspect talking about Europe but it felt he knows this is last chance saloon and that he's going to work hard all week to have a Newcastle-type performance prepared.
Post by: Smirker on May 07, 2023, 01:36:05 PM
I must say, I was impressed with Emery in his full interview with the BBC after the game (MotD only show some of it but the full thing is on the match report on the website).
He was pretty pragmatic - happy with how we controlled possession against Wolves, disappointing not to force an equaliser etc. But he quickly moved on, unprompted, to talk about the Spurs game and how basically it was a do or die for Europe. He's usually been circumspect talking about Europe but it felt he knows this is last chance saloon and that he's going to work hard all week to have a Newcastle-type performance prepared.
That makes me feel warm and fuzzy 8)
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 07, 2023, 01:37:24 PM
Post by: eamonn on May 07, 2023, 01:49:42 PM
I must say, I was impressed with Emery in his full interview with the BBC after the game (MotD only show some of it but the full thing is on the match report on the website).
He was pretty pragmatic - happy with how we controlled possession against Wolves, disappointing not to force an equaliser etc. But he quickly moved on, unprompted, to talk about the Spurs game and how basically it was a do or die for Europe. He's usually been circumspect talking about Europe but it felt he knows this is last chance saloon and that he's going to work hard all week to have a Newcastle-type performance prepared.
That makes me feel warm and fuzzy 8)
It's good to see you smile and not smirk.
Post by: Risso on May 07, 2023, 02:01:14 PM
I must say, I was impressed with Emery in his full interview with the BBC after the game (MotD only show some of it but the full thing is on the match report on the website).
He was pretty pragmatic - happy with how we controlled possession against Wolves, disappointing not to force an equaliser etc. But he quickly moved on, unprompted, to talk about the Spurs game and how basically it was a do or die for Europe. He's usually been circumspect talking about Europe but it felt he knows this is last chance saloon and that he's going to work hard all week to have a Newcastle-type performance prepared.
Even a win probably isn't going to be enough though.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 07, 2023, 02:34:39 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on May 07, 2023, 03:21:07 PM
We’ve blown it. Like we always do.
Just a ridiculous comment. What exactly have we blown. Given where we were when Emery took over, we have no right to even be in the mix for Europe. If you said in October we’ll finish 8th, each and every one of us would have more than accepted that. We may finish 7 still, but even if we do finish 8th, its been champions league form for the last 6 months, I’m not sure what else we can expect from a bloke who has been in charge for 6 months.
Post by: nigel on May 07, 2023, 03:58:17 PM
We’ve blown it. Like we always do.
I think it’s amazing that we managed to give ourselves a fighting chance, given the start we had.
Post by: nigel on May 07, 2023, 04:01:41 PM
I must say, I was impressed with Emery in his full interview with the BBC after the game (MotD only show some of it but the full thing is on the match report on the website).
He was pretty pragmatic - happy with how we controlled possession against Wolves, disappointing not to force an equaliser etc. But he quickly moved on, unprompted, to talk about the Spurs game and how basically it was a do or die for Europe. He's usually been circumspect talking about Europe but it felt he knows this is last chance saloon and that he's going to work hard all week to have a Newcastle-type performance prepared.
Even a win probably isn't going to be enough though.
In fairness you’re probably right, but Unai and this group have given us supporters hope and pride.
Very similar to when Dean Smith came in
Post by: Smirker on May 07, 2023, 04:06:05 PM
I must say, I was impressed with Emery in his full interview with the BBC after the game (MotD only show some of it but the full thing is on the match report on the website).
He was pretty pragmatic - happy with how we controlled possession against Wolves, disappointing not to force an equaliser etc. But he quickly moved on, unprompted, to talk about the Spurs game and how basically it was a do or die for Europe. He's usually been circumspect talking about Europe but it felt he knows this is last chance saloon and that he's going to work hard all week to have a Newcastle-type performance prepared.
That makes me feel warm and fuzzy 8)
It's good to see you smile and not smirk.
I'll be smirking all week if we see a performance like Newcastle 😏
Post by: algy on May 07, 2023, 04:17:44 PM
What’s happened is nothing to do with what the players said. This is professional football at the highest level. Every PL team has scouts and analysts who pour over every detail trying to get an edge. They will have identified areas to stop us and some will do it better than others. We’ve lost two away games and not scored in them after an incredible run of results. It’s a combination of adjusted opponents tactics and the exhaustion of the training, attention to detail and fighting our way from 4th bottom to top 6 contenders in a few months. Mentally and physically that’s exhausting.Yeah, agree with all of this. We've done incredibly well on that run, I think Man Utd was mostly down to exhaustion, then for Wolves it's been a combination of a hangover from the streak ending, them being properly up for it, and Lopetegui just being a really good manager.
Whatever happens, Emery has worked miracles and I've no doubt that had he been in place for a whole season, we'd be looking at Champions League football. It'd be great to have European football next season, and I do think if we beat Spurs then there's a reasonable chance that we'll get that - not nailed on, of course, but I wouldn't bet against us. But make no mistake, we will have it - it feels more a case of when rather than if.
Post by: Exeter 77 on May 07, 2023, 06:10:29 PM
Post by: john e on May 07, 2023, 06:35:42 PM
We’ve blown it. Like we always do.
Just a ridiculous comment. What exactly have we blown. Given where we were when Emery took over, we have no right to even be in the mix for Europe. If you said in October we’ll finish 8th, each and every one of us would have more than accepted that. We may finish 7 still, but even if we do finish 8th, its been champions league form for the last 6 months, I’m not sure what else we can expect from a bloke who has been in charge for 6 months.
Yeah, we’ve done incredibly well since Emery came in
But it still feels like we’ve blown it
Post by: RamboandBruno on May 07, 2023, 08:27:52 PM
Not the way I see it, but there you go each to their own. To have not blown it, we would of had to go 12 games unbeaten, after a pretty good run before the Leicester, Man City, Arsenal games. Who has these type of runs other than teams in the top 4, which we are clearly not…yet.We’ve blown it. Like we always do.
Just a ridiculous comment. What exactly have we blown. Given where we were when Emery took over, we have no right to even be in the mix for Europe. If you said in October we’ll finish 8th, each and every one of us would have more than accepted that. We may finish 7 still, but even if we do finish 8th, its been champions league form for the last 6 months, I’m not sure what else we can expect from a bloke who has been in charge for 6 months.
Yeah, we’ve done incredibly well since Emery came in
But it still feels like we’ve blown it
Post by: Ian. on May 07, 2023, 08:31:52 PM
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Post by: FatSam on May 07, 2023, 08:43:39 PM
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 07, 2023, 08:50:08 PM
It’s not over yet though is it? It’s still possible.
I think we beat spurs and it's still very much game on.
Post by: Ian. on May 07, 2023, 09:00:51 PM
It’s not over yet though is it? It’s still possible.
I think we beat spurs and it's still very much game on.
Let’s hope we find our form again and end as strong as possible. I’d be gutted if we miss out, however I wouldn’t say we blew it, very harsh.
It’s hard to be critical to anyone in this side, manager or owners. It was an incredible run which put us there, so credit to the players and especially the manager and our owners seem to be steering us to a new exciting era with good times ahead.
Post by: paul_e on May 07, 2023, 09:09:59 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 07, 2023, 09:13:23 PM
It’s not over yet though is it? It’s still possible.
I think we beat spurs and it's still very much game on.
Let’s hope we find our form again and end as strong as possible. I’d be gutted if we miss out, however I wouldn’t say we blew it, very harsh.
It’s hard to be critical to anyone in this side, manager or owners. It was an incredible run which put us there, so credit to the players and especially the manager and our owners seem to be steering us to a new exciting era with good times ahead.
Yep and there’s still a chance.
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on May 07, 2023, 09:14:41 PM
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Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 08, 2023, 08:56:14 AM
When was the last time something massive was riding on the last game?
Two playoff finals and the relegation decider at West Ham?
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on May 08, 2023, 11:38:45 AM
Setting up a low block and packing the defence out isn't the same as finding someone out.Spot on. Add Wolves converting a set piece - which happens - and we lose a game we dominated, especially in the first half.
Second half they defended well and disrupted play with endless fouls and we couldn't get the breakthrough.
The game against Newcastle was brilliant because they attacked in possession and pressed from the front and we were exceptional in how we played through them accurately and quickly.
The wins versus Forest and Fulham were much less exciting, though arguably we were just as competent with how we overcame a different challenge. UTV
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 08, 2023, 03:23:45 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2023, 04:09:48 PM
We’ve blown it at the time when we had done all the hard work. Next season you’d imagine Chelsea and Liverpool won’t be as average as they have been
Although also worth bearing in mind we won't be 'sitting out' the first dozen matches of the season next time around.
Post by: SaddVillan on May 08, 2023, 04:26:38 PM
Aston Villa have stumbled but are still standing European qualification can still be achieved.
It was possible to draw only one conclusion from the chain of events stemming from Aston Villa’s humiliating defeat at Fulham back in October. This was a club in the grip of a major crisis.
Co-owner Nassef Sawiris had stormed out of Craven Cottage, vexed by the 3-0 defeat and Steven Gerrard’s failed tenure. An emergency board meeting was called inside the stadium before, in a corridor deep in the bowels of the stadium, CEO Christian Purslow sacked the man he had hoped would take Villa forward.
Gerrard sat with the players on the team bus en route back to Birmingham telling them they were good enough to climb away from relegation bother but, at that stage, it was only words. The ex-Rangers manager had run out of ideas and inspiration. The rebuild would not be straightforward for the next man through the door.
Villa were just three points off the foot of the table and outside the drop zone only on goal difference. Tottenham Hotspur were a distant 14 points ahead in third place — so far away that it was comical to even consider Villa clambering up anywhere near them this season.
But that was then. This is now.
In the wake of Saturday’s defeat at Wolverhampton Wanderers, Villa have three games still to play and nine points to target. One of those fixtures is a potentially season-defining match against Tottenham on Saturday. The campaign is still fully alive and kicking.
Villa have not “bottled it”. Not yet, anyway.
It is normal to feel downbeat in the aftermath of a defeat. The frustration at back-to-back losses at Manchester United and Molineux is understandable, particularly with the team’s grip on a top-seven place having been loosened. But it is still worth remembering just how far Villa have progressed, not least from those relegation concerns of the autumn.
A top-half finish is guaranteed for the first time in 12 years. Villa need a minimum of two draws to record their highest Premier League points haul for 13 years.
The fun has been restored under Unai Emery with Villa having won 16 games this season, a tally similar to the Martin O’Neill years when the team achieved three consecutive top-six finishes.
There are success stories that make you smile. Ollie Watkins breaking goalscoring records. John McGinn returning to his old self. Ashley Young showing there is life in the old dog yet and Tyrone Mings, Ezri Konsa and Emi Martinez forging a tight-knit unit at the back.
When Toti Gomes scored the winner for Wolves on Saturday, it was only the fifth goal Villa have conceded in 12 games. Under Emery, the team has scored in 21 out of 23 games.
The reality, though, is that such numbers were always going to be difficult to sustain.
Emery’s body language in the moments after the narrow 1-0 defeat at Molineux backed up what he had already hinted at in the week — that defeat would be costly in the race for Europa League or Europa Conference League qualification.
Granted, there is now no room for error. Certainly not on Saturday against Spurs. But Emery’s words from before the game still carry significant weight.
It would be “amazing” if Villa lined up against Tottenham with the chance to overtake them, the Spaniard said, and a victory at Villa Park by three goals this weekend would still do that.
Emery also added that it would be equally “fantastic” to be within touching distance of Brighton & Hove Albion when the sides meet on the final day of the season.
It is too early to know whether that is possible, but what is certain is that it is now a four-way shoot-out between Liverpool, Brighton, Tottenham and Villa for the three European spaces behind the top four. That is some improvement on the state of play when Emery arrived and Tottenham were a dot on the horizon.
Yes, there has been a dip in results since Villa’s stunning 3-0 win over Newcastle United three weeks ago. But the performance levels have not slipped radically.
Emery even admitted Villa were better while losing the last two games than in some of the others they won.
“I won’t change my idea,” he added, stressing he is pleased with the way his team continue to control games through possession and territory. Finding the ruthless streak that served them so well in previous weeks will be crucial in the games ahead given there is still so much to play for.
Seeing a threadbare squad boosted by the return of internationals Leon Bailey and Boubacar Kamara was a positive. Having Philippe Coutinho available should also help in the final games.
Most pleasing, though, was Diego Carlos’ return after nine months out. The Brazilian centre-back will make Villa stronger and the games ahead should not be so daunting with increased numbers from whom to call.
Emery’s side have given their fans numerous moments of joy in 2023, from the way they ripped Bournemouth to shreds in the final 10 minutes of a 3-0 victory, to the last-gasp winner at Leicester City and that wonderful display against Newcastle. They have become regular winners once again.
The atmosphere at Villa Park has been flat for years, but now there is a sense of excitement. Five home wins on the bounce without conceding suggests it has become a fortress. A make-or-break game against Tottenham awaits.
“It’s our final,” Emery added. To still have that opportunity ahead, particularly when one casts the mind back to that miserable night at Fulham, is remarkable. There is still plenty with which to be pleased — even on the back of a defeat.
Post by: eamonn on May 08, 2023, 05:03:02 PM
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The atmosphere at Villa Park has been flat for years
Reductive, lazy and not really true. Still like Gregg but not happy with that.
Post by: algy on May 08, 2023, 05:53:11 PM
We've done incredibly well to still be in the conversation for Europe at this stage, and beat Spurs at home & we're still very much in the conversation.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 08, 2023, 07:00:24 PM
Post by: Pat Mustard on May 08, 2023, 07:06:25 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 08, 2023, 07:07:17 PM
Formula is pretty simple now so we better turn up v Spurs.
Beat them and Brighton and we get to 60 points. Brighton would then need to get two points out of Arsenal and Newcastle away and Man. City at home (aswell as beating Southampton).
It's there for us if we really want it and generally to finish top 6 you have to earn these things rather than it getting gift wrapped so we need one last push now and injured players are returning.
Post by: Ads on May 08, 2023, 07:10:16 PM
Post by: Smirker on May 08, 2023, 07:11:28 PM
Post by: Gerrin on May 08, 2023, 07:14:00 PM
I'm smirking now.
What you smirking?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 08, 2023, 07:15:29 PM
Post by: Smithy on May 08, 2023, 07:20:38 PM
It's the hope that kills ya...
Post by: eamonn on May 08, 2023, 07:23:53 PM
This isn't fucking over.
Dunno, Risso and Kippax have dampened by expectations.
Post by: Smithy on May 08, 2023, 07:26:37 PM
QuoteThe atmosphere at Villa Park has been flat for years
Reductive, lazy and not really true. Still like Gregg but not happy with that.
I didn't read that as being about "the match day crowd", but rather the atmosphere around the club as a whole since our pre-relegation days. I still don't think he's entirely correct, as we've had plenty of optimism in the last couple of years (in patches), but this is the first time in a long time we have some genuine long-term optimism about where the team can go under the current manager.
Post by: Ian. on May 08, 2023, 07:27:28 PM
This isn't fucking over.
Oh yes!
Post by: SaddVillan on May 08, 2023, 07:37:20 PM
I can't believe it. I can't believe it. Football. Bloody hell.
Post by: Keeno on May 08, 2023, 07:38:40 PM
We’ve blown it. Like we always do.
Lol
Post by: Smirker on May 08, 2023, 07:39:04 PM
We’ve blown it. Like we always do.
Lol
😂😂😂
Post by: Dave P on May 08, 2023, 07:43:09 PM
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 08, 2023, 07:49:11 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on May 08, 2023, 07:51:06 PM
Sun 14 Arsenal A
Thu 18 Toon A
Sun 21 Soton H
Wed 24 Man City H
Sun 28 Villa A
5 games in 15 days
Everybody apart from Soton will be wanting points and Soton will be down by the time they face Brighton - worry and pressure free - "surprise" result?
Post by: Smirker on May 08, 2023, 08:19:32 PM
Beat Tottenham 3-0 on Saturday and we’re 6th again. Easy isn’t it??
Could easily happen.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 08, 2023, 08:21:22 PM
This isn't fucking over.
Dunno, Risso and Kippax have dampened by expectations.
They’re probably right when looking at all the permutations. But the Brighton results shows just how unpredictable things can be. And after getting battered they have two rock games. But it would be just like this season if they went and won of those games now. Still, we have a chance albeit small
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 08, 2023, 08:22:25 PM
Post by: Steve67 on May 08, 2023, 09:30:02 PM
Post by: LeeB on May 08, 2023, 10:39:38 PM
"I think so, do you want to bet against us?"
Post by: olaftab on May 10, 2023, 07:08:09 PM
I don’t buy this teams have worked us out, against Newcastle we were full of energy, movement and accurate passing and since then not.IMO you’re wrong. Newcastle came to us full of bluster, totally confident team absolutely not worried about us. They got smacked. Other teams including manu have worked on how to stop us and lately most have been successful.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 10, 2023, 07:09:16 PM
"So it's still all to play for?"
"I think so, do you want to bet against us?"
The only problem with that is the literally hundreds of times in the intervening 42 years in which we could have said that, and probably did, prior to proving it would have been a very good idea indeed to bet against us.
Post by: olaftab on May 10, 2023, 07:32:47 PM
Brighton’s next couple are tough games. You never know. Might just come down to the last game after all. We still need favours though.The only thing in our favour is that they have 5 left to play in effectively 3 weeks. That’s going to take its toll however it will only help us if we help ourselves.
Post by: paul_e on May 10, 2023, 08:04:35 PM
I don’t buy this teams have worked us out, against Newcastle we were full of energy, movement and accurate passing and since then not.IMO you’re wrong. Newcastle came to us full of bluster, totally confident team absolutely not worried about us. They got smacked. Other teams including manu have worked on how to stop us and lately most have been successful.
I disagree. Wolves didn't figure us out, we were far the better team, we just didn't take our chances and they took their only decent one. Man U maybe bullied us a bit but if the ref had given Casemiro the yellow card he deserved for scything through Moreno after about 15 minutes I don't think he dominates the game in the way he did. Fine margins really. Aside from that we've played well in spells for about 4months, Newcastle was the first time everything clicked for extended periods, not because they thought they could brush us aside but because we were just too good, the movement on our left in particular was unplayable, we made Trippier look like a pub league player.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 10, 2023, 08:06:10 PM
It just didn't work out for us at the weekend, shit happens, we're not going to play well / win every week. Not yet, anyway.
Post by: eamonn on May 11, 2023, 12:47:40 AM
Post by: Scott Nielsen on May 11, 2023, 09:06:10 AM
I don't think Wolves figured us out - in fact, I think if they have figured us out at any point this season, it was the match at our place where we couldn't get near them for 45 minutes.
True, that was a dismal experience for us. Lopetegui does well against Emery though so I think it is also OK to recognize he set them up a certain way and he got the result. They are both very accomplished managers.
Post by: Risso on May 11, 2023, 09:10:24 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 11, 2023, 08:53:14 PM
I just don't want this season to fizzle out disappointingly like the last two have. It would be great to go into the Brighton game still in with a chance of qualifying.
That’s really it. We can look back if we don’t qualify and say didn’t we do great to even be in contention but in the moment, and overall given the position we put ourselves in it would be disappointing and a bit deflating. Even if we all hope that next season we won’t be giving the rest of the league an 11 game head start.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 12, 2023, 01:13:33 AM
Post by: olaftab on May 12, 2023, 04:15:24 AM
So, summing it up, you agree with me.I don’t buy this teams have worked us out, against Newcastle we were full of energy, movement and accurate passing and since then not.IMO you’re wrong. Newcastle came to us full of bluster, totally confident team absolutely not worried about us. They got smacked. Other teams including manu have worked on how to stop us and lately most have been successful.
I disagree. Wolves didn't figure us out, we were far the better team, we just didn't take our chances and they took their only decent one. Man U maybe bullied us a bit but if the ref had given Casemiro the yellow card he deserved for scything through Moreno after about 15 minutes I don't think he dominates the game in the way he did. Fine margins really. Aside from that we've played well in spells for about 4months, Newcastle was the first time everything clicked for extended periods, not because they thought they could brush us aside but because we were just too good, the movement on our left in particular was unplayable, we made Trippier look like a pub league player.
Post by: Risso on May 12, 2023, 12:36:05 PM
Last season there was nothing to fizzle out, the season before we finished it with 2 wins.
We'd started the season well, wanted to stay in the hunt for Europe and at the start of May were 9th, 5 points behind 7th. The last two wins didn't make any difference to that, as we finished 11th. The season fizzled out.
Post by: eamonn on May 12, 2023, 01:04:42 PM
Post by: paul_e on May 12, 2023, 01:53:59 PM
So, summing it up, you agree with me.I don’t buy this teams have worked us out, against Newcastle we were full of energy, movement and accurate passing and since then not.IMO you’re wrong. Newcastle came to us full of bluster, totally confident team absolutely not worried about us. They got smacked. Other teams including manu have worked on how to stop us and lately most have been successful.
I disagree. Wolves didn't figure us out, we were far the better team, we just didn't take our chances and they took their only decent one. Man U maybe bullied us a bit but if the ref had given Casemiro the yellow card he deserved for scything through Moreno after about 15 minutes I don't think he dominates the game in the way he did. Fine margins really. Aside from that we've played well in spells for about 4months, Newcastle was the first time everything clicked for extended periods, not because they thought they could brush us aside but because we were just too good, the movement on our left in particular was unplayable, we made Trippier look like a pub league player.
Nope.
Post by: olaftab on May 12, 2023, 02:03:31 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2023, 02:40:36 PM
You need to explain your reply Paul_e. One word answer is not good enough.
Disagree.
Post by: paul_e on May 12, 2023, 03:23:13 PM
You need to explain your reply Paul_e. One word answer is not good enough.
Disagree.
Good.
Post by: olaftab on May 12, 2023, 06:58:34 PM
Post by: Smirker on May 13, 2023, 05:00:40 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 13, 2023, 05:03:20 PM
Think Brentford can hold Spurs next week and they certainly won't fancy Leeds away on final day.
All to play for.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2023, 05:04:39 PM
Post by: Bad English on May 13, 2023, 05:05:02 PM
Good, I am glad you're onside.VAR check pending.
Post by: OCD on May 13, 2023, 05:27:31 PM
Beat Brighton and they'll need to take two points out of Arsenal and Newcastle away and Man. City at home to finish above us.
Think Brentford can hold Spurs next week and they certainly won't fancy Leeds away on final day.
All to play for.
Newcastle drawing at Leeds and with Liverpool breathing down theirs and Man Utd's neck, Newcastle will be desperate to beat Brighton.
Post by: OCD on May 13, 2023, 05:32:13 PM
Post by: eamonn on May 13, 2023, 05:36:06 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 13, 2023, 05:36:58 PM
I don’t think Spurs have the stomach to go to Leeds last game and get a win. We have to get something next week at Anfield though. And Brighton aren’t guaranteed anything
They'll still get chances. No chance whatsoever Leeds will execute a high line as expertly as we did.
Hopefully they don't play that Firpo guy again as he'll give away about 5 penalties if he gets in the vicinity of Kane at any point.
Post by: OCD on May 13, 2023, 05:37:47 PM
Hopefully Everton don't move too far ahead of Leeds before the last day as we need them to still be fighting for their lives and Elland Road will give as good as it can.
Everton at home to Man City tomorrow.
Post by: eamonn on May 13, 2023, 06:03:30 PM
Post by: OCD on May 13, 2023, 07:10:45 PM
Post by: Smithy on May 13, 2023, 07:14:06 PM
Post by: Smirker on May 13, 2023, 07:24:02 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 07:40:02 PM
Can't wait to play Dynamo Concrete next season honestly.
Sadly, I'd expect them to win on aggregate.
Post by: DeeBoy1 on May 13, 2023, 07:49:15 PM
Can't wait to play Dynamo Concrete next season honestly.
Sadly, I'd expect them to win on aggregate.
Bravo
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 13, 2023, 07:50:55 PM
Can't wait to play Dynamo Concrete next season honestly.
Sadly, I'd expect them to win on aggregate.
Bravo
[/quotCan't wait to play Dynamo Concrete next season honestly.
Sadly, I'd expect them to win on aggregate.
Bravo
We need to cement our place before we start mixing it with these teams.
Post by: olaftab on May 13, 2023, 08:04:16 PM
I do wonder if Brighton's game against Southampton just got a little bit harder now the pressure is off the Southampton players, and they're basically playing for pride and to put themselves in the shop window, without the fear they will make the mistake that sends them down?No. The twats have given up, they don’t care and they will lose their last two without a whimper.
Post by: olaftab on May 13, 2023, 08:05:51 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 13, 2023, 08:57:27 PM
Spurs will lose at Leeds but finish ahead of us on goal difference unless we can pick up a point or three against Liverpool.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2023, 09:04:41 PM
Post by: Steve67 on May 13, 2023, 09:08:33 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on May 14, 2023, 06:14:53 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 14, 2023, 06:16:36 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on May 14, 2023, 06:30:03 PM
Post by: eamonn on May 14, 2023, 06:31:11 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on May 14, 2023, 06:34:18 PM
I think Brentford getting something at Spurs is slightly more realistic than us winning/drawing at Anfield.
I watched most of Liverpools game at home to Brentford last week and a draw wouldn’t of flattered Brentford. It will be hard but no impossible to get some sort of result there, either way hopefully Brentford will do us a favour at Spurs.
Post by: Richard on May 14, 2023, 06:45:47 PM
Post by: Clampy on May 14, 2023, 06:47:31 PM
I think Brentford getting something at Spurs is slightly more realistic than us winning/drawing at Anfield.
I can see us beating Liverpool. No idea why, just a hunch.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2023, 06:54:19 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 14, 2023, 07:02:39 PM
The 2025 Europa League final is in Bilbao should we need any additional incentive to give Europe our best shot.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2023, 07:07:12 PM
No news yet on where the 2024 Conference League final will be held, although some in the Greek media think it will be in Athens (AEK's ground).
The 2025 Europa League final is in Bilbao should we need any additional incentive to give Europe our best shot.
Where is the CL final in 2025?
Post by: Richard E on May 14, 2023, 07:08:10 PM
No idea, but the open top bus parade is going to be in Birmingham.No news yet on where the 2024 Conference League final will be held, although some in the Greek media think it will be in Athens (AEK's ground).
The 2025 Europa League final is in Bilbao should we need any additional incentive to give Europe our best shot.
Where is the CL final in 2025?
Post by: RamboandBruno on May 14, 2023, 07:08:18 PM
Me too. This may be fuelled by the staropraman I’m currently enjoying in the garden and the knowledge I’m paying my first visit to Anfield on Saturday.I think Brentford getting something at Spurs is slightly more realistic than us winning/drawing at Anfield.
I can see us beating Liverpool. No idea why, just a hunch.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 14, 2023, 07:12:10 PM
No news yet on where the 2024 Conference League final will be held, although some in the Greek media think it will be in Athens (AEK's ground).
The 2025 Europa League final is in Bilbao should we need any additional incentive to give Europe our best shot.
Where is the CL final in 2025?
Munich, let's hope we don't end up playing Bayern again when we get there.
Post by: Richard E on May 14, 2023, 07:14:49 PM
Post by: FrankyH on May 14, 2023, 07:31:16 PM
No news yet on where the 2024 Conference League final will be held, although some in the Greek media think it will be in Athens (AEK's ground).
The 2025 Europa League final is in Bilbao should we need any additional incentive to give Europe our best shot.
Didn't someone from this Parish say it was in Dublin (2024 Conference League final ) ?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2023, 07:33:36 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 14, 2023, 07:37:56 PM
No news yet on where the 2024 Conference League final will be held, although some in the Greek media think it will be in Athens (AEK's ground).
The 2025 Europa League final is in Bilbao should we need any additional incentive to give Europe our best shot.
Didn't someone from this Parish say it was in Dublin (2024 Conference League final ) ?
That's the Europa League final venue not the Europa Conference League one. Same with Bilbao in 2025.
Post by: Flin5tone on May 14, 2023, 07:53:54 PM
Annoyingly I think we will miss out. It must have been some time since spurs didn't qualify for European Football
Post by: andyh on May 14, 2023, 07:57:14 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2023, 07:58:17 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on May 14, 2023, 07:59:16 PM
Unfortunately I think we will miss out
Post by: olaftab on May 14, 2023, 07:59:18 PM
Post by: Bad English on May 14, 2023, 08:05:25 PM
I'm not sure you will get past Dover anyway.
Post by: hipkiss92 on May 14, 2023, 08:06:41 PM
I think Brentford getting something at Spurs is slightly more realistic than us winning/drawing at Anfield.
I can see us beating Liverpool. No idea why, just a hunch.
Well we've taken points off everyone above us this season other than Arsenal, so we are due a result against Liverpool
Post by: Smirker on May 14, 2023, 08:16:37 PM
I think that's our European dream all but over I'm afraid. Spurs have Brentford and Leeds with a slightly better GD. We have Liverpool away and Brighton at home.
Annoyingly I think we will miss out. It must have been some time since spurs didn't qualify for European Football
Brentford could easily beat them. So could Leeds actually. It's Spurs.
Post by: john2710 on May 14, 2023, 08:23:53 PM
In all fairness Brighton deserve to qualify for Europe, they're a bloody side. They'll have sealed their place by the time they come to Villa Park.
But if we have to wait another season, so be it.
Post by: john2710 on May 14, 2023, 08:24:00 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 14, 2023, 08:25:31 PM
I have just booked a hotel in Athens on BV’s advice. Looking forward to it😀
Would be a decent trip as I haven't been to Athens. Will let you know when it's been confirmed, all I know is that it's definitely on May 29th.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 14, 2023, 08:28:20 PM
Post by: Baldy on May 14, 2023, 08:29:15 PM
Do we want the conference league thing, or is it more effort/trouble than it’s worth?
For me, no.
It has fecked up West Ham in the league this year, non prestigious, non profitable and no benefit for attracting top players.
Focus fully on top 4 next season with no european distraction.
Apart from Man Shitty, we have no reason to fear anyone in the league. With a good pre season, 3 or 4 more quality players and no distractions I will be disappointed if we dont seriously challenge for top 4 next season.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 14, 2023, 08:33:06 PM
Do we want the conference league thing, or is it more effort/trouble than it’s worth?
10-12 million prize money if you win it, plus gate receipts, TV revenue etc.
Post by: olaftab on May 14, 2023, 08:33:55 PM
yes this is very impressive. And if only VAR had done it’s job Arsenal game would have ended 2-2.I think Brentford getting something at Spurs is slightly more realistic than us winning/drawing at Anfield.
I can see us beating Liverpool. No idea why, just a hunch.
Well we've taken points off everyone above us this season other than Arsenal, so we are due a result against Liverpool
Post by: paul_e on May 14, 2023, 08:55:12 PM
Do we want the conference league thing, or is it more effort/trouble than it’s worth?
For me, no.
It has fecked up West Ham in the league this year, non prestigious, non profitable and no benefit for attracting top players.
Focus fully on top 4 next season with no european distraction.
Apart from Man Shitty, we have no reason to fear anyone in the league. With a good pre season, 3 or 4 more quality players and no distractions I will be disappointed if we dont seriously challenge for top 4 next season.
No it hasn't, Antonio being injured and/or out of form for most of the season and 3-4 other players being found out a bit (Soucek in particular) is where they've struggled.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 14, 2023, 08:59:54 PM
Post by: eamonn on May 14, 2023, 09:51:02 PM
yes this is very impressive. And if only VAR had done it’s job Arsenal game would have ended 2-2.I think Brentford getting something at Spurs is slightly more realistic than us winning/drawing at Anfield.
I can see us beating Liverpool. No idea why, just a hunch.
Well we've taken points off everyone above us this season other than Arsenal, so we are due a result against Liverpool
Would it?
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 14, 2023, 11:05:57 PM
And they were in Europe last season and did well enough to qualify again through the league.
Yeah, this gets regularly missed.
Also we need the games to help youngsters get more game time.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 14, 2023, 11:25:06 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on May 14, 2023, 11:34:15 PM
Do we want the conference league thing, or is it more effort/trouble than it’s worth?
Yes
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2023, 07:09:44 AM
Do we want the conference league thing, or is it more effort/trouble than it’s worth?
For me, no.
It has fecked up West Ham in the league this year, non prestigious, non profitable and no benefit for attracting top players.
Focus fully on top 4 next season with no european distraction.
Apart from Man Shitty, we have no reason to fear anyone in the league. With a good pre season, 3 or 4 more quality players and no distractions I will be disappointed if we dont seriously challenge for top 4 next season.
No it hasn't, Antonio being injured and/or out of form for most of the season and 3-4 other players being found out a bit (Soucek in particular) is where they've struggled.
Indeed - and the non-prestige thing is not really something we’re in a position to get too exercised about. We haven’t won a trophy since 1996, and haven’t been in Europe for over a decade. If we were to get into the Conference league, go on a good run, and potentially win it it would be really important for the club.
Post by: algy on May 15, 2023, 07:16:38 AM
In reality, I think it’s us and Spurs for 7th now. I think Brighton will get enough points in their remaining games to secure 6th, so we’re going for 7th. Might not be the case as Brentford are a good side and Leeds could be scrapping for survival on the last day, but I think we’re probably going to need to get something at Anfield and beat Brighton to finish above Spurs.I agree. We need 6pts from the last 2 games now. However, Brighton are only 1pt ahead of us & have Newcastle (a), Soton (h), Man City (h) and us (a) left to play. Beat Liverpool and 6th place is still (just) possible provided Brighton get less than 5pts from their 3 games.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on May 15, 2023, 07:35:21 AM
Of course.Do we want the conference league thing, or is it more effort/trouble than it’s worth?
Yes
I think you'd only need to ask the manager about playing in Europe.
Post by: Baldy on May 15, 2023, 07:48:07 AM
Do we want the conference league thing, or is it more effort/trouble than it’s worth?
For me, no.
It has fecked up West Ham in the league this year, non prestigious, non profitable and no benefit for attracting top players.
Focus fully on top 4 next season with no european distraction.
Apart from Man Shitty, we have no reason to fear anyone in the league. With a good pre season, 3 or 4 more quality players and no distractions I will be disappointed if we dont seriously challenge for top 4 next season.
No it hasn't, Antonio being injured and/or out of form for most of the season and 3-4 other players being found out a bit (Soucek in particular) is where they've struggled.
Indeed - and the non-prestige thing is not really something we’re in a position to get too exercised about. We haven’t won a trophy since 1996, and haven’t been in Europe for over a decade. If we were to get into the Conference league, go on a good run, and potentially win it it would be really important for the club.
Antonio (and 3 or 4 others) might be out of form because of their european involvement this season and all the time, energy and travel it involves!! This is exactly my concern.
I would rather have no involvement in the Conference League next season. Let it fuck up Spuds instead!! We have much bigger things to aim for next season, fully charged.
Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2023, 08:04:21 AM
Do we want the conference league thing, or is it more effort/trouble than it’s worth?
For me, no.
It has fecked up West Ham in the league this year, non prestigious, non profitable and no benefit for attracting top players.
Focus fully on top 4 next season with no european distraction.
Apart from Man Shitty, we have no reason to fear anyone in the league. With a good pre season, 3 or 4 more quality players and no distractions I will be disappointed if we dont seriously challenge for top 4 next season.
No it hasn't, Antonio being injured and/or out of form for most of the season and 3-4 other players being found out a bit (Soucek in particular) is where they've struggled.
Indeed - and the non-prestige thing is not really something we’re in a position to get too exercised about. We haven’t won a trophy since 1996, and haven’t been in Europe for over a decade. If we were to get into the Conference league, go on a good run, and potentially win it it would be really important for the club.
Antonio (and 3 or 4 others) might be out of form because of their european involvement this season and all the time, energy and travel it involves!! This is exactly my concern.
I would rather have no involvement in the Conference League next season. Let it fuck up Spuds instead!! We have much bigger things to aim for next season, fully charged.
I think the owners, the manager, the players and myself would strongly disagree
Post by: RamboandBruno on May 15, 2023, 08:08:33 AM
This feels like its based on the assertion that there is something guaranteed next season, there are too many variables for that. If we don’t make it, fair enough, its been a massive effort, but if can get there we should grasp it.Do we want the conference league thing, or is it more effort/trouble than it’s worth?
For me, no.
It has fecked up West Ham in the league this year, non prestigious, non profitable and no benefit for attracting top players.
Focus fully on top 4 next season with no european distraction.
Apart from Man Shitty, we have no reason to fear anyone in the league. With a good pre season, 3 or 4 more quality players and no distractions I will be disappointed if we dont seriously challenge for top 4 next season.
No it hasn't, Antonio being injured and/or out of form for most of the season and 3-4 other players being found out a bit (Soucek in particular) is where they've struggled.
Indeed - and the non-prestige thing is not really something we’re in a position to get too exercised about. We haven’t won a trophy since 1996, and haven’t been in Europe for over a decade. If we were to get into the Conference league, go on a good run, and potentially win it it would be really important for the club.
Antonio (and 3 or 4 others) might be out of form because of their european involvement this season and all the time, energy and travel it involves!! This is exactly my concern.
I would rather have no involvement in the Conference League next season. Let it fuck up Spuds instead!! We have much bigger things to aim for next season, fully charged.
Post by: lovejoy on May 15, 2023, 08:29:02 AM
Post by: IFWaters on May 15, 2023, 08:33:33 AM
Post by: olaftab on May 15, 2023, 08:56:35 AM
Aston Villa FC MUST always compete at the very highest level in the game of football. We have the very best man in the world now in charge to build out strength and capability to start competing at the highest level but it’s going to take time. Let’s start if we can in a place from where we can organically grow. If that is ConfL, fine I am looking forward to it.
Post by: AV82EC on May 15, 2023, 08:58:48 AM
The objections against ConfLeague beggars belief. There were similar noises made on here back in MON’s day about Europa League. Then our manager also showed the same arrogance as some fans for that competition. Remembering his meek effort in CSKA away game and club's token gesture when losing twice to the mighty Rapid Vienna over next two seasons, it still boils my piss. In order to develop our width and breadth of capability we must start to compete in wider euro based completions. The best way to do that is to start competing in the weakest competition first where we can build the squad strength. Learn to play Thursday Sunday and manage a team based on 18 or so first teamers. There is no point in deluding ourselves that somehow we are going to waft into CL like birds of paradise and start rubbing shoulders with Bayern and Real with panache. We are more likely to get pummelled on a Wednesday and then get shafted by likes of Bmouth on Saturday.
Aston Villa FC MUST always compete at the very highest level in the game of football. We have the very best man in the world now in charge to build out strength and capability to start competing at the highest level but it’s going to take time. Let’s start if we can in a place from where we can organically grow. If that is ConfL, fine I am looking forward to it.
Well said, a pox on the naysayers.
Post by: rob_bridge on May 15, 2023, 09:00:17 AM
The objections against ConfLeague beggars belief. There were similar noises made on here back in MON’s day about Europa League. Then our manager also showed the same arrogance as some fans for that competition. Remembering his meek effort in CSKA away game and club's token gesture when losing twice to the mighty Rapid Vienna over next two seasons, it still boils my piss. In order to develop our width and breadth of capability we must start to compete in wider euro based completions. The best way to do that is to start competing in the weakest competition first where we can build the squad strength. Learn to play Thursday Sunday and manage a team based on 18 or so first teamers. There is no point in deluding ourselves that somehow we are going to waft into CL like birds of paradise and start rubbing shoulders with Bayern and Real with panache. We are more likely to get pummelled on a Wednesday and then get shafted by likes of Bmouth on Saturday.
Aston Villa FC MUST always compete at the very highest level in the game of football. We have the very best man in the world now in charge to build out strength and capability to start competing at the highest level but it’s going to take time. Let’s start if we can in a place from where we can organically grow. If that is ConfL, fine I am looking forward to it.
Well said, a pox on the naysayers.
Totally agree. I don't care whether we play Oslo Boslo, Dynamo Crapo and Andulucian Averages - the 3rd competition is worth participation
Post by: Risso on May 15, 2023, 09:19:29 AM
Totally agree. I don't care whether we play Oslo Boslo, Dynamo Crapo and Andulucian Averages - the 3rd competition is worth participation
Absolutely rob, in fact the more far flung and unheard of, the better. Would love an away trip to somewhere completely random in Estonia or similar.
Post by: Drummond on May 15, 2023, 09:26:23 AM
I might not have agreed before, but with the direction the club is now taking in its staffing recruitment and the rumoured player recruitment, we should aim to enter and win everything we can.
Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2023, 09:30:46 AM
Totally agree. I don't care whether we play Oslo Boslo, Dynamo Crapo and Andulucian Averages - the 3rd competition is worth participation
Absolutely rob, in fact the more far flung and unheard of, the better. Would love an away trip to somewhere completely random in Estonia or similar.
Absoultely this, fucking Champions League is full of the same boring teams every year that we've seen a million times. I want to see us draw a team I've never heard of that were formed as a works team for the railways in some far flung ex-Soviet state.
Post by: eamonn on May 15, 2023, 09:37:18 AM
Post by: Risso on May 15, 2023, 09:38:12 AM
Totally agree. I don't care whether we play Oslo Boslo, Dynamo Crapo and Andulucian Averages - the 3rd competition is worth participation
Absolutely rob, in fact the more far flung and unheard of, the better. Would love an away trip to somewhere completely random in Estonia or similar.
Absoultely this, fucking Champions League is full of the same boring teams every year that we've seen a million times. I want to see us draw a team I've never heard of that were formed as a works team for the railways in some far flung ex-Soviet state.
I went to Prague for a week in 1995, and in some pubs the beer was 5p a pint. I lived like a king on about £20 for the week. Is there anywhere left still like that? If so, that's where I want to go.
Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2023, 09:41:31 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 15, 2023, 09:44:12 AM
I'd like a trip to Istanbul
Let's see how the election goes first.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2023, 09:44:58 AM
It’d be great to get drawn against them.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 15, 2023, 09:46:26 AM
There’s a club in Estonia called Eston Villa.
It’d be great to get drawn against them.
Alika the way you're thinking.
Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2023, 09:47:53 AM
Totally agree. I don't care whether we play Oslo Boslo, Dynamo Crapo and Andulucian Averages - the 3rd competition is worth participation
Absolutely rob, in fact the more far flung and unheard of, the better. Would love an away trip to somewhere completely random in Estonia or similar.
Absoultely this, fucking Champions League is full of the same boring teams every year that we've seen a million times. I want to see us draw a team I've never heard of that were formed as a works team for the railways in some far flung ex-Soviet state.
I went to Prague for a week in 1995, and in some pubs the beer was 5p a pint. I lived like a king on about £20 for the week. Is there anywhere left still like that? If so, that's where I want to go.
I went about 10 years later and it was much the same, I don't think I've ever eaten as well in my life let alone the booze, top level restaurants for the cost of a carvery
Post by: chrisw1 on May 15, 2023, 09:56:48 AM
I went early 90's. The 5p beers in the more off pitch bars in the old town were fantastic, the original Budvar and Pilsner Urquell.
Totally agree. I don't care whether we play Oslo Boslo, Dynamo Crapo and Andulucian Averages - the 3rd competition is worth participation
Absolutely rob, in fact the more far flung and unheard of, the better. Would love an away trip to somewhere completely random in Estonia or similar.
Absoultely this, fucking Champions League is full of the same boring teams every year that we've seen a million times. I want to see us draw a team I've never heard of that were formed as a works team for the railways in some far flung ex-Soviet state.
I went to Prague for a week in 1995, and in some pubs the beer was 5p a pint. I lived like a king on about £20 for the week. Is there anywhere left still like that? If so, that's where I want to go.
I went about 10 years later and it was much the same, I don't think I've ever eaten as well in my life let alone the booze, top level restaurants for the cost of a carvery
Tbh I was pretty disgusted at the prices in St Marks square, where it was as much a 30-50p a pint in some places.
Post by: lovejoy on May 15, 2023, 10:01:24 AM
Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2023, 10:06:20 AM
For those happy to play in Europe I get the positives but are you happy for our league form to dip like it inevitably will (see West Ham this season).
West Ham are shit and have a shit manager though, and their form wasn't too bad last season when they got to the semis.
Sorry but it just feels like one of those tired cliches that people hide their poor form behind. We'd have more opportunities for players to play and the genious manager explicity wants it.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 15, 2023, 10:12:37 AM
For those happy to play in Europe I get the positives but are you happy for our league form to dip like it inevitably will (see West Ham this season).That's where our summer transfer business and loan decisions come into play.
One thing is for sure though, we would have to rotate and we don't seem to take kindly to that when it goes tits up. People still moan about Moscow (although I agree that team was taking the piss - starting Salifou & Delfoouneso was prob a step too far)
Post by: Risso on May 15, 2023, 10:13:29 AM
Sorry but it just feels like one of those tired cliches that people hide their poor form behind. We'd have more opportunities for players to play and the genious manager explicity wants it.
He also explicitly wins most European competitions he enters!
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 15, 2023, 10:13:36 AM
Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2023, 10:38:19 AM
Sorry but it just feels like one of those tired cliches that people hide their poor form behind. We'd have more opportunities for players to play and the genious manager explicity wants it.
He also explicitly wins most European competitions he enters!
True, but fuck me how have I posted 'genius' like that?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 15, 2023, 10:57:46 AM
No news yet on where the 2024 Conference League final will be held, although some in the Greek media think it will be in Athens (AEK's ground).
The 2025 Europa League final is in Bilbao should we need any additional incentive to give Europe our best shot.
It's written in the stars, a final in Emery's backyard where the Basque nation rise up with the Villa fans to see us lift the trophy, his trophy. Bring it on!
Post by: eamonn on May 15, 2023, 11:13:25 AM
Sorry but it just feels like one of those tired cliches that people hide their poor form behind. We'd have more opportunities for players to play and the genious manager explicity wants it.
He also explicitly wins most European competitions he enters!
True, but fuck me how have I posted 'genius' like that?
I did clock that and was hoping it was a rare aberration.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 15, 2023, 11:20:44 AM
True, but fuck me how have I posted 'genius' like that?
I did clock that and was hoping it was a rare aberration.
He was just being disingenious.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 15, 2023, 11:25:00 AM
No news yet on where the 2024 Conference League final will be held, although some in the Greek media think it will be in Athens (AEK's ground).
The 2025 Europa League final is in Bilbao should we need any additional incentive to give Europe our best shot.
It's written in the stars, a final in Emery's backyard where the Basque nation rise up with the Villa fans to see us lift the trophy, his trophy. Bring it on!
Would be a fun trip all right, especially with BE guiding us round the best bars and restaurants in town.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 15, 2023, 11:30:43 AM
Do we want the conference league thing, or is it more effort/trouble than it’s worth?
Yes
Which of the two questions is this your answer to?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2023, 12:28:02 PM
For those happy to play in Europe I get the positives but are you happy for our league form to dip like it inevitably will (see West Ham this season).
West Ham are shit and have a shit manager though, and their form wasn't too bad last season when they got to the semis.
Sorry but it just feels like one of those tired cliches that people hide their poor form behind. We'd have more opportunities for players to play and the genious manager explicity wants it.
It’s also an incredibly depressing view to take - we want to avoid being better as it comes with some risk. What’s the point if you don’t want to compete in every possible competition you can?
Post by: Axl Rose on May 15, 2023, 12:35:03 PM
No news yet on where the 2024 Conference League final will be held, although some in the Greek media think it will be in Athens (AEK's ground).
The 2025 Europa League final is in Bilbao should we need any additional incentive to give Europe our best shot.
It's written in the stars, a final in Emery's backyard where the Basque nation rise up with the Villa fans to see us lift the trophy, his trophy. Bring it on!
Would be a fun trip all right, especially with BE guiding us round the best bars and restaurants in town.
Count me in!
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 15, 2023, 12:38:40 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 15, 2023, 12:42:02 PM
For those happy to play in Europe I get the positives but are you happy for our league form to dip like it inevitably will (see West Ham this season).
West Ham are shit and have a shit manager though, and their form wasn't too bad last season when they got to the semis.
Sorry but it just feels like one of those tired cliches that people hide their poor form behind. We'd have more opportunities for players to play and the genious manager explicity wants it.
It’s also an incredibly depressing view to take - we want to avoid being better as it comes with some risk. What’s the point if you don’t want to compete in every possible competition you can?
I think it's more West Ham just signed poorly in last 12 months. Ings really hasn't made much impact at all and their other striker signings have flopped.
Pacqueta took under March to string a couple of decent games together so they're still relying on their core that was better 2-3 years ago with likes of Cresswell, Antonio, Soucek etc.
West Ham in 21/22 finished 7th in the league and made the europa league SFs so I'm not really sure playing in a less taxing tournament (when you look at the quality of opposition they've faced) has massively impacted on their league form.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 15, 2023, 12:44:33 PM
I've said before, it seems a strange logic that some don't want us to qualify for Europe in case it affects the main aim next season, which is to qualify for Europe.
Reminds me of when people didn't want us to get promoted as they enjoyed the 10 match winning runs v likes of Rotherham and Bolton.
We were so poor for so long it didn't feel realistic for some that we could ever become a realistic force in top half of prem ever again.
Four years later we've won 9 of our last 13 and turned over Spurs and Chelsea pretty comfortably.
As standards raise on the pitch under Emery hopefully the same will happen in the stands.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2023, 12:46:50 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 15, 2023, 12:50:35 PM
With all due respect but anyone who wanted us to stay in the Championship because it was more fun winning games against the likes of Rotherham, than testing ourselves at the elite level of the PL is an idiot.
There were loads on here and elsewhere. It wasn't some Footy style lone wolf opinion.
Perhaps it was more in 2018 given who was managing and running us at the time but plenty didn't really want to go up and just lose most weeks in the prem.
Of course that's what happened in 19/20 but I think because we were so rubbish between 2011-16 people just thought that would be us for eternity at the top level rather than slowly establishing and then kicking on under ambitious owners like has happened.
I don't want to be digging up old threads from 4 years ago but I bet you there was one saying "do we really want to go up" and they'd be plenty saying no and would rather be a big fish in the championship.
Post by: SamTheMouse on May 15, 2023, 12:51:15 PM
I went to Prague for a week in 1995, and in some pubs the beer was 5p a pint. I lived like a king on about £20 for the week. Is there anywhere left still like that? If so, that's where I want to go.
Minsk?
A couple of mates and I were planning a trip there a few years ago for similar reasons, but then Lukashenko 'won' another election and it all started kicking off.
Post by: cdward on May 15, 2023, 12:56:59 PM
It will give us european experience including the logistics of travelling, rotating and utilising a squad, and learning how to be savvy in home and away cup games.
Bring it on i say.
In the last 20 years the likes of Fulham and Middlesbrough, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man U, and Arsenal have all reached the final.
Post by: Drummond on May 15, 2023, 12:58:16 PM
With all due respect but anyone who wanted us to stay in the Championship because it was more fun winning games against the likes of Rotherham, than testing ourselves at the elite level of the PL is an idiot.
I enjoyed that Championship run a lot more than anything for about 10 years before it. I'd also say I felt that shit about the Villa, that at times,going out of business seemed like a preferable option than having the existence that a few others have had.
I also wouldn't have blamed people for wanting to stay there, if we'd retained the same unambitious owners and managers, because let's face it, we circled the drain for a long time with no hope.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 15, 2023, 01:00:23 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2023, 01:09:55 PM
With all due respect but anyone who wanted us to stay in the Championship because it was more fun winning games against the likes of Rotherham, than testing ourselves at the elite level of the PL is an idiot.
There were loads on here and elsewhere. It wasn't some Footy style lone wolf opinion.
Perhaps it was more in 2018 given who was managing and running us at the time but plenty didn't really want to go up and just lose most weeks in the prem.
Of course that's what happened in 19/20 but I think because we were so rubbish between 2011-16 people just thought that would be us for eternity at the top level rather than slowly establishing and then kicking on under ambitious owners like has happened.
I don't want to be digging up old threads from 4 years ago but I bet you there was one saying "do we really want to go up" and they'd be plenty saying no and would rather be a big fish in the championship.
Oh I’m sure. Speaking for myself, I hated every aspect of the Championship. The last thing I ever wanted was to continue to enjoy the shit served up in that division. And living out here it’s impossible to get games on TV unless you are the one game they have selected in the available services. Otherwise it was grainy footage via Iraq or some other shit server. So I can guarantee I wanted nothing to do with that poxy division.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2023, 01:20:11 PM
I went to Prague for a week in 1995, and in some pubs the beer was 5p a pint. I lived like a king on about £20 for the week. Is there anywhere left still like that? If so, that's where I want to go.
Minsk?
A couple of mates and I were planning a trip there a few years ago for similar reasons, but then Lukashenko 'won' another election and it all started kicking off.
A few years ago I worked somewhere where we had an outsourced development team in Belarus.
It was a nightmare to get to - two flights a week to Belarus, both from Gatwick and every now and then they’d detain our visiting staff at the airport and question them for hours. And i don’t mean a couple of hours, more like ten.
You were also only allowed to stay there three days too.
I never went (in fact i killed off the contract with them) but everyone i know who went proclaimed the err “outside work” entertainments to be top notch and said it was the absolute world capital of attractive women.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 15, 2023, 01:39:43 PM
With all due respect but anyone who wanted us to stay in the Championship because it was more fun winning games against the likes of Rotherham, than testing ourselves at the elite level of the PL is an idiot.
The best thing about the Championship is loads of games. European football will give us that, plus it will ensure we build a stronger and larger squad.
Post by: eamonn on May 15, 2023, 01:41:01 PM
With all due respect but anyone who wanted us to stay in the Championship because it was more fun winning games against the likes of Rotherham, than testing ourselves at the elite level of the PL is an idiot.
Don't worry, we released them on frees to TBAR that summer and they've never returned.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 15, 2023, 01:56:58 PM
I went to Prague for a week in 1995, and in some pubs the beer was 5p a pint. I lived like a king on about £20 for the week. Is there anywhere left still like that? If so, that's where I want to go.
Minsk?
A couple of mates and I were planning a trip there a few years ago for similar reasons, but then Lukashenko 'won' another election and it all started kicking off.
A few years ago I worked somewhere where we had an outsourced development team in Belarus.
It was a nightmare to get to - two flights a week to Belarus, both from Gatwick and every now and then they’d detain our visiting staff at the airport and question them for hours. And i don’t mean a couple of hours, more like ten.
You were also only allowed to stay there three days too.
I never went (in fact i killed off the contract with them) but everyone i know who went proclaimed the err “outside work” entertainments to be top notch and said it was the absolute world capital of attractive women.
Mentioned before but an Israeli mate has an absolutely stunning Belarus girlfriend from Minsk. That amazing beauty and body soon loses its appeal when she opens her mouth, she's a foul mouthed racist scumbag. Horrible woman but she obviously thinks her views are normal which they may be in Belarus but they shocked me.
Post by: Nev on May 15, 2023, 02:01:51 PM
Of course, I don't really want to miss out. Any European qualification helps attract better players and brings more Kudos to the Club. And I'm likely to drive to more games which will help both liver and bank account.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2023, 02:03:32 PM
Remember this the second time around?
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Sport/Pix/columnists/2010/8/26/1282856956519/aston-villa-006.jpg?width=620&quality=45&dpr=2&s=none)
Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2023, 02:05:13 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 15, 2023, 02:12:29 PM
Post by: Dave on May 15, 2023, 02:14:43 PM
We managed to get ourselves knocked out by some shite down the years. Are NK Varteks still about?
Plus we managed to lose to Trabzonspor before they became good.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 15, 2023, 02:21:44 PM
23/24: Top 6 finish and WIN the FA Cup, qualifying for the Europa League
24/25: 5th and WIN the Europa League in Bilbao with Emery and his mates
25/26 Top 4, FA Cup WIN and 1/4 finals of the Champions League
That will do for starters..
Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2023, 02:24:55 PM
The Championship was shit, it nearly destroyed the club. Only reason there's fond memories is because of the last few months. Before going on the 10 game run we'd won 10 of the first 34 league games.
That first season, spending a gazillion pounds to finish 13th whilst getting outplayed by teams put together with buttons.
And then the ignomy of having fans of theirs come on here telling us how football should be done.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 15, 2023, 02:39:23 PM
Another team called NK Varazdin (Town they're from) took their place and there is also a separate club called Varteks that was founded by their fans.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on May 15, 2023, 03:03:15 PM
Post by: Drummond on May 15, 2023, 03:17:55 PM
I think I'm changing my mind on Europe, I now want the following three year plan:
23/24: Top 6 finish and WIN the FA Cup, qualifying for the Europa League
24/25: 5th and WIN the Europa League in Bilbao with Emery and his mates
25/26 Top 4, FA Cup WIN and 1/4 finals of the Champions League
That will do for starters..
Where's your ambition man?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 15, 2023, 03:22:08 PM
I think I'm changing my mind on Europe, I now want the following three year plan:
23/24: Top 6 finish and WIN the FA Cup, qualifying for the Europa League
24/25: 5th and WIN the Europa League in Bilbao with Emery and his mates
25/26 Top 4, FA Cup WIN and 1/4 finals of the Champions League
That will do for starters..
Where's your ambition man?
I'm trying to keep it real man!
Post by: aldridgeboy on May 15, 2023, 03:34:54 PM
So 8th place will get a European spot?
Or Something :)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 15, 2023, 04:06:37 PM
Post by: Drummond on May 15, 2023, 04:15:25 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 15, 2023, 04:16:44 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 15, 2023, 04:37:36 PM
Feel strangely calm, and do think we will make it somehow. Even if we don’t the future has nether looked brighter.
Post by: olaftab on May 15, 2023, 06:55:35 PM
And if only VAR had done it’s job Arsenal game would have ended 2-2.
Would it?
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Yes. Jorginho’s goal would have been disallowed.
Post by: algy on May 15, 2023, 07:06:07 PM
When I went to Serbia around 2006, it was like a paradise for idiotic 20-somethings. Beautiful weather, beautiful people, beer was 60p a pint, fags 40p a pack, disco biscuits about a quid a pop ... great times.
Totally agree. I don't care whether we play Oslo Boslo, Dynamo Crapo and Andulucian Averages - the 3rd competition is worth participation
Absolutely rob, in fact the more far flung and unheard of, the better. Would love an away trip to somewhere completely random in Estonia or similar.
Absoultely this, fucking Champions League is full of the same boring teams every year that we've seen a million times. I want to see us draw a team I've never heard of that were formed as a works team for the railways in some far flung ex-Soviet state.
I went to Prague for a week in 1995, and in some pubs the beer was 5p a pint. I lived like a king on about £20 for the week. Is there anywhere left still like that? If so, that's where I want to go.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 15, 2023, 07:42:04 PM
Feel strangely calm, and do think we will make it somehow. Even if we don’t the future has nether looked brighter.
That would be the trip to the coffee shop.
Post by: aldridgeboy on May 15, 2023, 07:44:54 PM
Bratislava was cheap, but they hated English stag do’s with an absolute passion.
Post by: London Villan on May 15, 2023, 08:45:45 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 15, 2023, 09:15:47 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2023, 09:49:28 PM
Yes. Jorginho’s goal would have been disallowed.And if only VAR had done it’s job Arsenal game would have ended 2-2.
Would it?
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.If we're getting into it, Martinez cost us one on goal difference after going up for a corner selfishly. He disobeyed orders.
I suspect that his shenanigans are one of the reasons why I wouldn't be surprised if he moved due to underlying relationship issues with Emery.
There's been an over compensation on how much he wants to be here and that to anyone who knows is pure spin to keep his status at Villa.
If he goes off to Pochettino and Chelsea I don't think people be so fond of him will they.
And that is not impossible.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2023, 09:54:38 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on May 15, 2023, 10:01:17 PM
.If we're getting into it, Martinez cost us one on goal difference after going up for a corner selfishly. He disobeyed orders.Yes. Jorginho’s goal would have been disallowed.And if only VAR had done it’s job Arsenal game would have ended 2-2.
Would it?
I suspect that his shenanigans are one of the reasons why I wouldn't be surprised if he moved due to underlying relationship issues with Emery.
There's been an over compensation on how much he wants to be here and that to anyone who knows is pure spin to keep his status at Villa.
If he goes off to Pochettino and Chelsea I don't think people be so fond of him will they.
And that is not impossible.
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What relationship problems with Emery are you talking about? You are guessing or making this shit up, it's so boring
Post by: TonyD on May 15, 2023, 10:32:38 PM
I'm heading to live in Albania for a bit in September. I'm led to believe that the cost of living is very favourable.Slumming it? Not quite the Latin charm.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 16, 2023, 02:20:58 AM
I'm heading to live in Albania for a bit in September. I'm led to believe that the cost of living is very favourable.Slumming it? Not quite the Latin charm.
Not at all. From everything I've seen it's a beautiful country. The south coast is 20 minutes from Corfu. I'm looking forward to it!
Post by: olaftab on May 16, 2023, 06:02:21 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 16, 2023, 07:36:30 AM
Gangsta paradise.I'm heading to live in Albania for a bit in September. I'm led to believe that the cost of living is very favourable.Slumming it? Not quite the Latin charm.
Not at all. From everything I've seen it's a beautiful country. The south coast is 20 minutes from Corfu. I'm looking forward to it!
Post by: LeeB on May 16, 2023, 07:59:42 AM
I'm heading to live in Albania for a bit in September. I'm led to believe that the cost of living is very favourable.
Are you some distant Habsberg relative that they keep sending to random locations to claim the throne? I didn't particularly notice the jaw when we met.
Post by: waringpongo on May 16, 2023, 08:10:16 AM
I'm heading to live in Albania for a bit in September. I'm led to believe that the cost of living is very favourable.I am currently traveling through Albania and in Himare. It's pissing down. It's the second time I have toured this country and it's more expensive than 2 years ago but still cheap. The countryside is beautiful and people very friendly. I prefer it to Montenegro which is also out of the Shengen. Cheapest diesel so far is Croatia though at £1.07
Post by: Risso on May 16, 2023, 08:19:44 AM
I'm heading to live in Albania for a bit in September. I'm led to believe that the cost of living is very favourable.
Are you some distant Habsberg relative that they keep sending to random locations to claim the throne? I didn't particularly notice the jaw when we met.
I reckon it's places with non-extradition treaties with the UK...next stop Northern Cyprus!
Post by: nigel on May 16, 2023, 09:52:51 AM
I'm heading to live in Albania for a bit in September. I'm led to believe that the cost of living is very favourable.
Are you some distant Habsberg relative that they keep sending to random locations to claim the throne? I didn't particularly notice the jaw when we met.
I reckon it's places with non-extradition treaties with the UK...next stop Northern Cyprus!
My Dad was in the Signals and was posted to Cyprus in the 50’s.
He took some photos of an abandoned village in what became ‘no man’s land’. Clothes hung on the line, no time to get them, that sort of stuff.
About 60 years later he managed to get back to the same village. Still no man’s land, but the authorities allow people in now. He stood in the same spot and took some photos. Clothes still hung on the line, albeit now rags and all the other stuff unmoved between weeds. It really was surreal.
He said it sent a shiver down his spine
Post by: cdward on May 16, 2023, 01:18:12 PM
An article titled "Which Premier League teams can secure European football?", and we don't even get a mention, except to say we are 1 point behind Brighton, but no discussion of any kind.
Like MOTD, there does seem to be some kind of sub-conscious bias against giving Villa any credit for anything.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 16, 2023, 01:26:21 PM
"What about the Europa Conference League? That place is almost certain to go to one of the teams already mentioned."
Where they didn't mention Brentford at all, but then go on to say how they've still got a 1% chance!
Post by: brian green on May 16, 2023, 01:28:17 PM
Post by: Clampy on May 16, 2023, 01:30:17 PM
Post by: Risso on May 16, 2023, 01:33:13 PM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/65443681
An article titled "Which Premier League teams can secure European football?", and we don't even get a mention, except to say we are 1 point behind Brighton, but no discussion of any kind.
Like MOTD, there does seem to be some kind of sub-conscious bias against giving Villa any credit for anything.
To be fair, they don't say a lot about any team, it's hardly in depth.
"Liverpool currently occupy fifth position - although their sights are higher now.
They are seven points clear of sixth-placed Brighton, who have two games in hand, with Tottenham and Aston Villa just one point behind Albion.
According to Nielsen's Gracenote, Brighton (81%) and Liverpool (55%) are most likely to take those two spots."
Can't really see much to object about there.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2023, 01:36:37 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 16, 2023, 01:40:07 PM
Post by: London Villan on May 16, 2023, 01:40:36 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 16, 2023, 01:44:43 PM
We will become more relevant in the national consciousness the more games we win. And our profile due to Emery and the run we have been on is already much higher. But we’ve had moments in the past where it appears we were about to achieve something and then done nothing with it. We need to sustain this for years not months to change the narrative. That’s all on us.
I mentioned at about midnight on the Other Games thread how I'd discovered a Top Six menu on Now sports. They seem confused over the meaning of the word "top".
Post by: algy on May 16, 2023, 01:49:29 PM
Just want us to deny Liverpool Champions League football this weekend (by beating them), then beat Brighton so that we've got some form of European football to look forward to next season. That'd be miraculous given where we were at the start of November.
Post by: eamonn on May 16, 2023, 01:52:25 PM
Post by: paul_e on May 16, 2023, 02:14:18 PM
Post by: Drummond on May 16, 2023, 02:32:32 PM
Post by: Paul.S on May 16, 2023, 04:18:26 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 16, 2023, 05:44:37 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 16, 2023, 05:50:51 PM
Seems the authorities are trying to disrupt Toney and Brentford in time for the Spurs game. Nice of them to wait until after he scored against us.I'm not going to criticise you because you're giving information that may or may not be known.
In truth, I was unaware of this and am grateful to you. I'd like to assume that those who already knew would have no reservations about your post, so perhaps you could be more like that when I offer up information.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 16, 2023, 05:58:00 PM
Europa League Final 22nd May 2024 Ireland
Aviva Stadium in Dublin.
European Conference Final 29th May 2024 Greece
AEK Athens's stadium, the Agia Sophia Stadium.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 16, 2023, 06:09:36 PM
Seems the authorities are trying to disrupt Toney and Brentford in time for the Spurs game. Nice of them to wait until after he scored against us.I'm not going to criticise you because you're giving information that may or may not be known.
In truth, I was unaware of this and am grateful to you. I'd like to assume that those who already knew would have no reservations about your post, so perhaps you could be more like that when I offer up information.
It’s breaking news that he has been appearing in front of a disciplinary panel today. If I post like I’m the font of all knowledge and that everybody reading is enlightened by my superior wisdom and insight, criticise away.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 16, 2023, 10:43:40 PM
I'm heading to live in Albania for a bit in September. I'm led to believe that the cost of living is very favourable.
Are you some distant Habsberg relative that they keep sending to random locations to claim the throne? I didn't particularly notice the jaw when we met.
I reckon it's places with non-extradition treaties with the UK...next stop Northern Cyprus!
Northern Cyprus is on the list, as are Turkey, Kosovo and Montenegro! Lee's closer, I don't intend to take up the throne anywhere, but I'm open to espionage.
Post by: eamonn on May 17, 2023, 05:11:37 PM
Can we ask for his goal to be revoked at their place and a 0-1 win awarded to us? Fucking joke, just start it from the end of the season.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 17, 2023, 05:14:28 PM
Seems the authorities are trying to disrupt Toney and Brentford in time for the Spurs game. Nice of them to wait until after he scored against us.
Eight month ban with immediate effect. FA protecting the brand. Advantage Spurs.
Post by: Lsvilla on May 17, 2023, 05:16:20 PM
Absolute joke. Could have waited 10 days for this. He pleaded (pled ?) guilty months ago.Seems the authorities are trying to disrupt Toney and Brentford in time for the Spurs game. Nice of them to wait until after he scored against us.
Eight month ban with immediate effect. FA protecting the brand. Advantage Spurs.
Post by: Paul.S on May 17, 2023, 05:29:55 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on May 17, 2023, 05:37:23 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 17, 2023, 05:45:19 PM
With Brentford going to Man City last game, could you imagine the absolute shitstorm there would be right now, if Arsenal had not just already surrendered their chances of the league title?
Arsenal’s capitulation is probably what they were waiting for. Fuck the Villa.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 17, 2023, 05:45:49 PM
Post by: Bad English on May 17, 2023, 05:46:28 PM
Pled is for our lesser cousins in the US. And those who wear kilts.Absolute joke. Could have waited 10 days for this. He pleaded (pled ?) guilty months ago.Seems the authorities are trying to disrupt Toney and Brentford in time for the Spurs game. Nice of them to wait until after he scored against us.
Eight month ban with immediate effect. FA protecting the brand. Advantage Spurs.
Post by: Lsvilla on May 17, 2023, 06:01:03 PM
Thanks.Pled is for our lesser cousins in the US. And those who wear kilts.Absolute joke. Could have waited 10 days for this. He pleaded (pled ?) guilty months ago.Seems the authorities are trying to disrupt Toney and Brentford in time for the Spurs game. Nice of them to wait until after he scored against us.
Eight month ban with immediate effect. FA protecting the brand. Advantage Spurs.
Post by: Pete3206 on May 17, 2023, 06:08:39 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 17, 2023, 06:38:45 PM
We'll just have to go to Liverpool and win.
…where the cartel have got VAR and the ref working for them.
Post by: Nev on May 17, 2023, 06:46:04 PM
Post by: Lsvilla on May 17, 2023, 06:59:19 PM
The minute he was charged he should've been suspended. Every single game in which has been involved with since has no credibility. Fucking bollocks.This. And then a hearing to determine mitigation / sentencing
Post by: Skerra on May 17, 2023, 10:54:49 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2023, 03:12:08 PM
That was destiny.
And so this season can be....
Post by: darren woolley on May 18, 2023, 03:31:44 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on May 19, 2023, 12:18:55 AM
I really hope it goes to the last day as the atmosphere at VP will be special.
Post by: coreyfeldman on May 19, 2023, 12:43:59 AM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 19, 2023, 01:01:46 AM
I really hope so but seems unlikely that Brighton won't beat the one of the worst premier legaue teams around for some time. Brighton getting to 61 points, with their goal difference would probably be too much to overcome imo
Yeah, this was always the problem. Them having Southampton left meant I didn't have much hope on that front, I think they'll flatten them. Although that can all change if we beat Liverpool (and the officials).
Post by: Nii Lamptey on May 19, 2023, 07:32:03 AM
UTV
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 19, 2023, 07:55:16 AM
Post by: rob_bridge on May 19, 2023, 08:03:32 AM
My boss is a West Ham fan and he is cock-a-hoop this morning, and he said all their fans are, that they have made the conference final. I think it would still be a brilliant springboard for us to re-enter European competition, so I'm all for it if that's where we end up.
I still find it hard to reconcile some Villa fans not wanting what West Ham have had the last 3 years in terms of Europe.
Post by: algy on May 19, 2023, 09:27:22 AM
My boss is a West Ham fan and he is cock-a-hoop this morning, and he said all their fans are, that they have made the conference final. I think it would still be a brilliant springboard for us to re-enter European competition, so I'm all for it if that's where we end up.As a Belgian mate of mine told me once ... you don't remember getting a draw in a difficult 3rd round tie - lifting the trophy is the bit you remember. It doesn't matter if the team you play in the final was shit.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 19, 2023, 09:32:36 AM
Post by: LeeB on May 19, 2023, 09:36:35 AM
I hope they win it. They've respected the competition all the way through despite their league position. I'll expect us to do the same.
That's a fair shout. I don't like West Ham but they are a proper club and it will mean a lot to them, which is how it should be.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 19, 2023, 12:04:05 PM
My boss is a West Ham fan and he is cock-a-hoop this morning, and he said all their fans are, that they have made the conference final. I think it would still be a brilliant springboard for us to re-enter European competition, so I'm all for it if that's where we end up.
I still find it hard to reconcile some Villa fans not wanting what West Ham have had the last 3 years in terms of Europe.
Absolutely. Two great runs they've had.
Post by: djbone on May 19, 2023, 12:33:53 PM
He's talking shite, right?
Post by: Risso on May 19, 2023, 12:34:59 PM
My (Spurs) brother in law reckons that if City or Spam win their finals it creates extra places for English teams next year.
He's talking shite, right?
Yes.
Post by: Drummond on May 19, 2023, 12:35:30 PM
My (Spurs) brother in law reckons that if City or Spam win their finals it creates extra places for English teams next year.
He's talking shite, right?
Right.
Post by: Axl Rose on May 19, 2023, 12:41:21 PM
My boss is a West Ham fan and he is cock-a-hoop this morning, and he said all their fans are, that they have made the conference final. I think it would still be a brilliant springboard for us to re-enter European competition, so I'm all for it if that's where we end up.
I still find it hard to reconcile some Villa fans not wanting what West Ham have had the last 3 years in terms of Europe.
Absolutely. Two great runs they've had.
Agreed. Would love any form of European football.
Something different than playing the same old twats week in week out in the Premier League
Post by: tomd2103 on May 19, 2023, 12:47:41 PM
My boss is a West Ham fan and he is cock-a-hoop this morning, and he said all their fans are, that they have made the conference final. I think it would still be a brilliant springboard for us to re-enter European competition, so I'm all for it if that's where we end up.
Interesting debate on the radio last night asking who would have had the better season if West Ham win the Conference League and Brighton (didn't mention us) finish 6th. It was split really, as both would have qualified for the Europa League, but West Ham would have won a trophy (albeit a less prestigious one) whereas Brighton would have qualified through having a far better league season.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on May 19, 2023, 01:01:26 PM
I hope they win it. They've respected the competition all the way through despite their league position. I'll expect us to do the same.
That's a fair shout. I don't like West Ham but they are a proper club and it will mean a lot to them, which is how it should be.
That's all very fair, and reasonable - unless they lose to Leeds at the weekend, of course.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 19, 2023, 01:21:18 PM
My (Spurs) brother in law reckons that if City or Spam win their finals it creates extra places for English teams next year.
He's talking shite, right?
Yes.
As far as West Ham are concerned, it is sort of right, as it will mean we will have 8 teams in Europe rather than 7, but it only benefits West Ham. And given he is a Spurs fan, then yes, he must be talking shite!
Post by: Drummond on May 19, 2023, 01:26:52 PM
My boss is a West Ham fan and he is cock-a-hoop this morning, and he said all their fans are, that they have made the conference final. I think it would still be a brilliant springboard for us to re-enter European competition, so I'm all for it if that's where we end up.
Interesting debate on the radio last night asking who would have had the better season if West Ham win the Conference League and Brighton (didn't mention us) finish 6th. It was split really, as both would have qualified for the Europa League, but West Ham would have won a trophy (albeit a less prestigious one) whereas Brighton would have qualified through having a far better league season.
West Ham.
Post by: OCD on May 19, 2023, 01:30:02 PM
Post by: Simon Page on May 19, 2023, 01:35:03 PM
When we think about 82, we're not getting depressed about finishing 11th.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 19, 2023, 03:39:56 PM
Post by: Smithy on May 19, 2023, 08:18:22 PM
The old third European competition (the Cup Winner's Cup) was always worth winning in my eyes, and I feel the same about the Conference League.
If it wasn't called 'conference' I imagine more English fans would feel positive about it.
Post by: Beard82 on May 19, 2023, 08:28:50 PM
I do think much of the snobbishness around the Conference League is the fact that we've had "the Conference" here in England for many years, and for many football fans it's a word associated with lower-level, non-league football.I agree - its like calling in "The minnows" - it needs a better name
The old third European competition (the Cup Winner's Cup) was always worth winning in my eyes, and I feel the same about the Conference League.
If it wasn't called 'conference' I imagine more English fans would feel positive about it.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 20, 2023, 12:39:42 AM
I do think much of the snobbishness around the Conference League is the fact that we've had "the Conference" here in England for many years, and for many football fans it's a word associated with lower-level, non-league football.
The old third European competition (the Cup Winner's Cup) was always worth winning in my eyes, and I feel the same about the Conference League.
If it wasn't called 'conference' I imagine more English fans would feel positive about it.
I think you're on to something here. When we get in it I'm hoping it will be changed to the 'European Absolute Legends League'.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 20, 2023, 12:48:07 AM
I do think much of the snobbishness around the Conference League is the fact that we've had "the Conference" here in England for many years, and for many football fans it's a word associated with lower-level, non-league football.
The old third European competition (the Cup Winner's Cup) was always worth winning in my eyes, and I feel the same about the Conference League.
If it wasn't called 'conference' I imagine more English fans would feel positive about it.
I think you're on to something here. When we get in it I'm hoping it will be changed to the 'European Absolute Legends League'.
That sounds a bit pedestrian from here. How about the 'Confederacy of Cool Mad European Disco Dream Lads'?
Post by: Smirker on May 20, 2023, 12:49:07 AM
I do think much of the snobbishness around the Conference League is the fact that we've had "the Conference" here in England for many years, and for many football fans it's a word associated with lower-level, non-league football.
The old third European competition (the Cup Winner's Cup) was always worth winning in my eyes, and I feel the same about the Conference League.
If it wasn't called 'conference' I imagine more English fans would feel positive about it.
This is exactly what is it.
Champions League
UEFA Cup
Continental Cup
Something like that. The rebrand of the UEFA Cup was a shit idea as well.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 20, 2023, 01:02:45 AM
I do think much of the snobbishness around the Conference League is the fact that we've had "the Conference" here in England for many years, and for many football fans it's a word associated with lower-level, non-league football.
The old third European competition (the Cup Winner's Cup) was always worth winning in my eyes, and I feel the same about the Conference League.
If it wasn't called 'conference' I imagine more English fans would feel positive about it.
I think you're on to something here. When we get in it I'm hoping it will be changed to the 'European Absolute Legends League'.
That sounds a bit pedestrian from here. How about the 'Confederacy of Cool Mad European Disco Dream Lads'?
Yeah... that's definitely better. Very 'Bob Mortimer'.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 20, 2023, 06:45:45 AM
I was ambivalent about making it into this European tournament but then I remember winning the Inter-Toto cup against Basel 5-2 at Villa Park in 2001. Actually, that's not strictly true. I remember winning it at Villa Park but forgot the score, scorers (I know Hadji got one or two) and I'd forgotten the opposition. Even so, this Europa cup lite tournament is a recognized tournament and if we are to be in it, let's give it a go.
Vassell, Angel (2), Ginola were our scorers. It was a good night, big crowd and comfortable win against a club who were CL regulars not long afterwards. The subsequent first round exit to Varteks is on a par with Helsingborg for our worst European result.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 20, 2023, 06:57:09 AM
Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2023, 07:44:28 AM
I do think much of the snobbishness around the Conference League is the fact that we've had "the Conference" here in England for many years, and for many football fans it's a word associated with lower-level, non-league football.
The old third European competition (the Cup Winner's Cup) was always worth winning in my eyes, and I feel the same about the Conference League.
If it wasn't called 'conference' I imagine more English fans would feel positive about it.
I think you're on to something here. When we get in it I'm hoping it will be changed to the 'European Absolute Legends League'.
That sounds a bit pedestrian from here. How about the 'Confederacy of Cool Mad European Disco Dream Lads'?
I've already trademarked that for my stripper group
Post by: Baldy on May 20, 2023, 08:18:06 AM
Weighing up the pros and cons on here, feck it, let's go full blast for qualification.
It's a bridge we need to cross sooner or later.
Sooner the better.
Come on the lads.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 20, 2023, 09:12:20 AM
A season in which you win a trophy is always going to be more memorable.
I got round to thinking that as well. If we do make it into one of the European tournaments next season, I would be fine with finishing lower in the league (maybe not as low as West Ham have) if it meant we had a proper tilt at winning it.
I agree about the above comments that the branding of ithe Conference League doesn't help it. It was saying on the radio last night that the capacity of the ground where the final is going to be played is only 19,000 and West Ham are only getting an allocation of 5,000, which again doesn't exactly reflect well.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 20, 2023, 09:51:53 AM
A season in which you win a trophy is always going to be more memorable.
Who will ever forget 2009? :)
You're right though, I'd be all for giving the ECL our best shot.
Post by: The Edge on May 20, 2023, 10:51:22 AM
Post by: eamonn on May 20, 2023, 11:32:31 AM
A season in which you win a trophy is always going to be more memorable.
I got round to thinking that as well. If we do make it into one of the European tournaments next season, I would be fine with finishing lower in the league (maybe not as low as West Ham have) if it meant we had a proper tilt at winning it.
I agree about the above comments that the branding of ithe Conference League doesn't help it. It was saying on the radio last night that the capacity of the ground where the final is going to be played is only 19,000 and West Ham are only getting an allocation of 5,000, which again doesn't exactly reflect well.
My WHam colleague says the competition was designed for baby teams, not PL behemoths with ten times the budget (ie West Ham and Alkmaar).
Post by: Richard on May 20, 2023, 11:42:36 AM
I'm still quietly seething about Kanes cheating for their pen. That goal I the only reason they currently sit above us in the league. To paraphrase Keegan "I'd love it, love it if we finish above them"
They'd still be above us on goals scored.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 20, 2023, 12:08:14 PM
Post by: The Edge on May 20, 2023, 12:10:03 PM
I heard someone on the radio say that without that penalty we would be level on points and level on goal difference so it would come down to a head to head of our games this season which we've won both. But I think you're right it would go to goals scored first.I'm still quietly seething about Kanes cheating for their pen. That goal I the only reason they currently sit above us in the league. To paraphrase Keegan "I'd love it, love it if we finish above them"
They'd still be above us on goals scored.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 20, 2023, 12:36:04 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on May 20, 2023, 12:51:29 PM
Post by: Smirker on May 20, 2023, 02:19:42 PM
I think that's our European dream all but over I'm afraid. Spurs have Brentford and Leeds with a slightly better GD. We have Liverpool away and Brighton at home.
Annoyingly I think we will miss out. It must have been some time since spurs didn't qualify for European Football
Brentford could easily beat them. So could Leeds actually. It's Spurs.
8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
VOTE SMIRKER!!!
Post by: eamonn on May 20, 2023, 02:22:09 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 20, 2023, 02:35:27 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 20, 2023, 02:39:57 PM
It's on like Donkey Kong. Brentford have helped dent Spurs goal difference roo. But the Bees are on our tail now too!
Brentford could beat a mix and match Man. City 40-0 next weekend and it dosen't matter if we beat Brighton so that's a pretty simple formula regardless of what we do today.
More complicated with Spurs but way they reacted as soon as they went 1-2 down I can't see them doing much at fired up Leeds if they go behind.
Brighton also secure 6th now if we lose and they beat Southampton so given their endless fixtures over last month they won't be going full pelt v us.
All in all the prospects look very good for us now compared to two hours back so that's a little reward for all the hard work we've put in last three months.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 20, 2023, 02:55:36 PM
Post by: jwarry on May 20, 2023, 02:58:04 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 20, 2023, 04:14:16 PM
Post by: Steve67 on May 20, 2023, 04:20:05 PM
We only need a point against Brighton to have European football providing we win this now v Liverpool.
You may have hexxed it. You win fuck all at half time.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 20, 2023, 04:31:29 PM
I can keep my faith in my convictions.
Post by: Axl Rose on May 20, 2023, 04:35:24 PM
Not really, I predicted a win in the pre-match thread and stood by it when I saw the line-up in the match thread before kick-off today, knowing Emery's plans and tactics and hoping the players would follow instructions. Of course, just because I thought Villa would win doesn't mean anything. I can't be responsible and given any credit nor receive criticism.
I can keep my faith in my convictions.
:D
Post by: Smirker on May 20, 2023, 05:09:45 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 20, 2023, 05:14:32 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2023, 05:18:13 PM
Post by: IFWaters on May 20, 2023, 05:31:58 PM
Post by: Drummond on May 20, 2023, 05:32:19 PM
Shame we couldn't hang on for the win.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 20, 2023, 05:32:43 PM
Post by: OCD on May 20, 2023, 05:35:22 PM
Brighton may have already secured Europe before we play them and not be up for it as much as we will.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 20, 2023, 05:38:30 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 20, 2023, 05:40:26 PM
We just need to equal whatever Tottenham do. Leeds away won't be easy in their predicament.
I thought that, but then realised that Brentford can overtake us if we don't win.
Post by: OCD on May 20, 2023, 05:42:26 PM
We just need to equal whatever Tottenham do. Leeds away won't be easy in their predicament.
I thought that, but then realised that Brentford can overtake us if we don't win.
They would have to beat Man City.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 20, 2023, 05:44:34 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on May 20, 2023, 05:45:56 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on May 20, 2023, 05:48:06 PM
Post by: OCD on May 20, 2023, 06:00:42 PM
League champions and double cup finalists Man City. They may have other priorities, and Brentford at home isn't easy for anyone.
Man City are a machine though with Robots for players.
Post by: OCD on May 20, 2023, 06:01:15 PM
Brighton are going to be bloody knackered by the time we play them. They've been playing twice a week for a while now, and Abu Dhabi will make them run miles.
Hopefully its a nice hot, sunny day next Sunday and they tire even faster.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on May 20, 2023, 06:19:51 PM
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Post by: IFWaters on May 20, 2023, 06:34:06 PM
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 20, 2023, 06:40:36 PM
Post by: Rory on May 20, 2023, 06:43:29 PM
A season in which you win a trophy is always going to be more memorable.
Who will ever forget 2009? :)
"No goal for you!"
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 20, 2023, 07:06:37 PM
Post by: nigel on May 20, 2023, 07:10:48 PM
If it's up for grabs for all 3 sides come the final day then i'm quietly confident of one thing. Brighton will be a lot more worried about playing us than we'll be about playing them.
As a couple of guys have posted we can’t rule out Brentford, they’ve suddenly crept up.
So it’s up from grabs for 4
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2023, 07:16:35 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 20, 2023, 07:20:36 PM
Citeh will be rotating against Brighton and Brentford.
Bringing in players that would stroll into either opposition starting 11 and will also be fighting FA Cup & CL final squad places.
Post by: paul_e on May 20, 2023, 07:32:05 PM
Citeh will be rotating against Brighton and Brentford.
maybe a little but the one thing I really like about Guardiola is that he doesn't let them get lazy in dead games. I think they win both of those games, even if he lets them ease off a little.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 20, 2023, 07:42:17 PM
Citeh will be rotating against Brighton and Brentford.
maybe a little but the one thing I really like about Guardiola is that he doesn't let them get lazy in dead games. I think they win both of those games, even if he lets them ease off a little.
Didn't they lose a game a few seasons back with Scott Carson in goal?
That's the sort of rotation we don't want!
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 20, 2023, 07:46:58 PM
Didn't they lose a game a few seasons back with Scott Carson in goal?
Nope.
Post by: Martyn Smith on May 20, 2023, 09:47:11 PM
If Brighton take care of Soton tomorrow then that bar massive goal swings wraps up 6th and it just becomes a matter of us doing at least as well as both Brentford and Spurs next Sun...
Post by: The Moose on May 20, 2023, 10:12:36 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on May 20, 2023, 10:14:26 PM
Post by: Ian. on May 20, 2023, 10:28:10 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 21, 2023, 12:18:08 AM
I heard someone on the radio say that without that penalty we would be level on points and level on goal difference so it would come down to a head to head of our games this season which we've won both. But I think you're right it would go to goals scored first.I'm still quietly seething about Kanes cheating for their pen. That goal I the only reason they currently sit above us in the league. To paraphrase Keegan "I'd love it, love it if we finish above them"
They'd still be above us on goals scored.
Edit: Ignore. Need better reading comprehension.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 21, 2023, 12:56:34 AM
PL25 GD+11 Pts 45 Pos 4th
PL24 GD-8 Pts 31 Pos 11th
Post by: adrenachrome on May 21, 2023, 01:41:02 AM
Citeh will be rotating against Brighton and Brentford.
Bringing in players that would stroll into either opposition starting 11 and will also be fighting FA Cup & CL final squad places.
That's the the crucial point of the matter.
Every time we have played them in recent years I have thought: Bloody hell, look at their bench.
They've been resting Joe when he is in top form. Which other team in the league would do that?
Post by: lovejoy on May 21, 2023, 07:07:00 AM
We only need a point against Brighton to have European football providing we win this now v Liverpool.Knobhead
Post by: Axl Rose on May 21, 2023, 07:16:55 AM
We only need a point against Brighton to have European football providing we win this now v Liverpool.Knobhead
:D
Post by: olaftab on May 21, 2023, 07:35:47 AM
Bring back the European Cup, Cup winners & UEFA. Fuck this nonsense.Yes, and whilst we are at it I would like the Birch twig and rule of thumb restored.
Post by: wince on May 21, 2023, 09:57:38 AM
Bit harsh there mate.We only need a point against Brighton to have European football providing we win this now v Liverpool.Knobhead
Post by: tomd2103 on May 21, 2023, 10:33:26 AM
If it's up for grabs for all 3 sides come the final day then i'm quietly confident of one thing. Brighton will be a lot more worried about playing us than we'll be about playing them.
As a couple of guys have posted we can’t rule out Brentford, they’ve suddenly crept up.
So it’s up from grabs for 4
Key thing for us though is it’s in our hands now and we aren’t relying on other results. A win and we will be playing European football next season.
Post by: lovejoy on May 21, 2023, 10:44:02 AM
Bit harsh there mate.We only need a point against Brighton to have European football providing we win this now v Liverpool.Knobhead
Slight tongue in cheek but it does annoy me that people post during matches assuming we will win. Especially when we are away at Anfield. It was such an asinine point too.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 21, 2023, 11:59:02 AM
Bit harsh there mate.We only need a point against Brighton to have European football providing we win this now v Liverpool.Knobhead
It was such an asinine point too.
Aren’t they all?
Post by: wince on May 21, 2023, 01:07:26 PM
Fair dos. Will be nice next year when we all assume we will win though!Bit harsh there mate.We only need a point against Brighton to have European football providing we win this now v Liverpool.Knobhead
Slight tongue in cheek but it does annoy me that people post during matches assuming we will win. Especially when we are away at Anfield. It was such an asinine point too.
Post by: eamonn on May 21, 2023, 03:28:23 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 21, 2023, 03:31:52 PM
Fucking Leeds, they're all but gone so can't see them rousing themselves for Spurs.
I dunno it’s must win to stand any chance.
Post by: LeeB on May 21, 2023, 03:33:06 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 21, 2023, 03:35:58 PM
Post by: TonyD on May 21, 2023, 03:37:52 PM
Post by: AV82EC on May 21, 2023, 03:41:35 PM
Where is the Conference final year?
This year it’s in Prague in a woefully under capacity stadium for a European final. Next year it’s at the Aviva in Dublin.
Post by: LeeB on May 21, 2023, 03:42:14 PM
Where is the Conference final year?
Athens
Post by: SaddVillan on May 21, 2023, 03:57:33 PM
Well Brighton have guaranteed Europa League now, so hopefully they’ll be knackered and unmotivated against us.
They've got a few first teamers who are expected to be moving on for big money. Will they want to risk their fitness (and the money) against us?
Post by: Pete3206 on May 21, 2023, 04:05:11 PM
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 21, 2023, 04:12:08 PM
Villa Park will be rocking next week. I'm really excited at the prospect of being in this competition, so let's hope the boys get the job done.
I want it to be Sheff United type of atmosphere and result. That was a fun day
Post by: jwarry on May 21, 2023, 04:37:18 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 21, 2023, 04:48:12 PM
Where is the Conference final year?
This year it’s in Prague in a woefully under capacity stadium for a European final. Next year it’s at the Aviva in Dublin.
No, the Europa League final is in Dublin this year and, as Lee points out, the Europa Conference League final is in Athens next year. Looks a nice, modern stadium but its capacity is only 32,500.
Post by: olaftab on May 21, 2023, 04:56:03 PM
Just thinking if you’d told me we would be finishing 15 points ahead of Chelsea this season……OK, here goes.
We will finish at least 15 points ahead of Chelsea.
Post by: TonyD on May 21, 2023, 05:03:39 PM
32k. What tuckin moron thinks that will be enough! Where are the other 80k Villa going to sit?Where is the Conference final year?
This year it’s in Prague in a woefully under capacity stadium for a European final. Next year it’s at the Aviva in Dublin.
No, the Europa League final is in Dublin this year and, as Lee points out, the Europa Conference League final is in Athens next year. Looks a nice, modern stadium but its capacity is only 32,500.
Post by: LeeB on May 21, 2023, 05:12:02 PM
32k. What tuckin moron thinks that will be enough! Where are the other 80k Villa going to sit?Where is the Conference final year?
This year it’s in Prague in a woefully under capacity stadium for a European final. Next year it’s at the Aviva in Dublin.
No, the Europa League final is in Dublin this year and, as Lee points out, the Europa Conference League final is in Athens next year. Looks a nice, modern stadium but its capacity is only 32,500.
Get some cans in and sit up on the Acropolis
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 21, 2023, 05:13:41 PM
Post by: TonyD on May 21, 2023, 05:32:15 PM
Post by: olaftab on May 21, 2023, 05:43:23 PM
And it’s lucky for Athens it’s not Leeds as another million will turn up for the final.32k. What tuckin moron thinks that will be enough! Where are the other 80k Villa going to sit?Where is the Conference final year?
This year it’s in Prague in a woefully under capacity stadium for a European final. Next year it’s at the Aviva in Dublin.
No, the Europa League final is in Dublin this year and, as Lee points out, the Europa Conference League final is in Athens next year. Looks a nice, modern stadium but its capacity is only 32,500.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 21, 2023, 05:55:51 PM
And it’s lucky for Athens it’s not Leeds as another million will turn up for the final.32k. What tuckin moron thinks that will be enough! Where are the other 80k Villa going to sit?Where is the Conference final year?
This year it’s in Prague in a woefully under capacity stadium for a European final. Next year it’s at the Aviva in Dublin.
No, the Europa League final is in Dublin this year and, as Lee points out, the Europa Conference League final is in Athens next year. Looks a nice, modern stadium but its capacity is only 32,500.
Or Blues after the number they took over to Bruges that once. Not sure Birmingham airport would be able to cope with those kind of numbers.
Post by: Kevin Dawson on May 21, 2023, 06:03:28 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 21, 2023, 06:09:39 PM
If we draw Brentford could spoil the party.We will have spoiled the party.
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 21, 2023, 06:30:57 PM
I’ve seen a few people mention us trying to crack the top 4 next season but in reality top 5 should be enough, and obviously feels more achievable.
Post by: jwarry on May 21, 2023, 06:37:38 PM
Not sure if it’s been mentioned but it’s looking like there will be 5 English teams playing in the Champions League from 2024/25 onwards.
I’ve seen a few people mention us trying to crack the top 4 next season but in reality top 5 should be enough, and obviously feels more achievable.
Right now I wouldn’t rule out top 1
Post by: olaftab on May 21, 2023, 06:51:36 PM
If we draw Brentford could spoil the party.Mate at best, at their very best they will draw against Oilacity.
Post by: Lsvilla on May 21, 2023, 06:54:36 PM
This is where I am too.Not sure if it’s been mentioned but it’s looking like there will be 5 English teams playing in the Champions League from 2024/25 onwards.
I’ve seen a few people mention us trying to crack the top 4 next season but in reality top 5 should be enough, and obviously feels more achievable.
Right now I wouldn’t rule out top 1
Post by: Richard E on May 21, 2023, 07:00:05 PM
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Post by: olaftab on May 21, 2023, 07:09:04 PM
Oh ok…where’s my coat, time for bus home😳
Post by: Richard E on May 21, 2023, 07:39:25 PM
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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 21, 2023, 08:02:12 PM
The Europa Conference League 23/24 kicks off on 13th July with the first qualifying round. We would not be starting until the play off round for the group stage on 7th August.
If we want a local derby, then cheer on Connahs Quay Nomads, Penybont, and Haverfordwest County to perform heroics to reach our stage.
Notable teams already qualified include Club Brugge, Gent, Hadjuk Split, Legia Warsaw, and Dinamo Minsk.
Others will follow as domestic leagues conclude and there will also be teams who haven't quite done enough dropping down from the Champions League and Europa League.
Quite a few teams from Ireland including St Patricks Athletic. If we cross paths with them, I expect God to be guest of honour at both legs and if I had my way he would take the kick off too !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2%80%9324_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League
Post by: Richard E on May 21, 2023, 08:09:34 PM
Didn't know they had FIFA 23 in Tipton.(Runs for exit)
It’s on gas powered wax cylinder
Post by: Smirker on May 21, 2023, 08:09:36 PM
Not sure if it’s been mentioned but it’s looking like there will be 5 English teams playing in the Champions League from 2024/25 onwards.
I’ve seen a few people mention us trying to crack the top 4 next season but in reality top 5 should be enough, and obviously feels more achievable.
Ridiculous. The name of the competition changed to Champions League when it pretty much ceased to be a league for champions. So stupid.
Anyway it's about time we were one of the clubs to take advantage of UEFA handing extra places out for this stupid competition.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 21, 2023, 08:14:35 PM
2//3 years? How about 2/3 months??
Oh ok…where’s my coat, time for bus home😳
Peace Cup maybe?
Post by: Lsvilla on May 21, 2023, 09:14:28 PM
I'm probably tempting fate I know.
The Europa Conference League 23/24 kicks off on 13th July with the first qualifying round. We would not be starting until the play off round for the group stage on 7th August.
If we want a local derby, then cheer on Connahs Quay Nomads, Penybont, and Haverfordwest County to perform heroics to reach our stage.
Notable teams already qualified include Club Brugge, Gent, Hadjuk Split, Legia Warsaw, and Dinamo Minsk.
Others will follow as domestic leagues conclude and there will also be teams who haven't quite done enough dropping down from the Champions League and Europa League.
Quite a few teams from Ireland including St Patricks Athletic. If we cross paths with them, I expect God to be guest of honour at both legs and if I had my way he would take the kick off too !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2%80%9324_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League
I'm assuming this is why we haven't announced a pre-season friendly for w/e of 5 August.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on May 21, 2023, 09:15:59 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 21, 2023, 09:17:46 PM
Dinamo Minsk?
Interesting away leg.
Post by: AV82EC on May 21, 2023, 09:19:59 PM
Dinamo Minsk?
Interesting away leg.
Good luck with Visas for that one.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 21, 2023, 09:21:20 PM
Dinamo Minsk?
Interesting away leg.
Good luck with Visas for that one.
Take 2,000, of whom 750 come back.
Post by: Astnor on May 21, 2023, 09:37:47 PM
I do find that IF we will enter it will be 24th Aug first leg and 31th Aug second leg - the draw for this play off will be 7th Aug (Wiki). Shouldnt speculate like this of course.I'm probably tempting fate I know.
The Europa Conference League 23/24 kicks off on 13th July with the first qualifying round. We would not be starting until the play off round for the group stage on 7th August.
If we want a local derby, then cheer on Connahs Quay Nomads, Penybont, and Haverfordwest County to perform heroics to reach our stage.
Notable teams already qualified include Club Brugge, Gent, Hadjuk Split, Legia Warsaw, and Dinamo Minsk.
Others will follow as domestic leagues conclude and there will also be teams who haven't quite done enough dropping down from the Champions League and Europa League.
Quite a few teams from Ireland including St Patricks Athletic. If we cross paths with them, I expect God to be guest of honour at both legs and if I had my way he would take the kick off too !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2%80%9324_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League
I'm assuming this is why we haven't announced a pre-season friendly for w/e of 5 August.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 21, 2023, 09:42:34 PM
Not sure if it’s been mentioned but it’s looking like there will be 5 English teams playing in the Champions League from 2024/25 onwards.
I’ve seen a few people mention us trying to crack the top 4 next season but in reality top 5 should be enough, and obviously feels more achievable.
It's not going to work like that, it's the beginning of the implementation of a closed shop. The competition is expanding by 4 teams.
Quote
The extra four teams are going to be made up of a club that finishes third in UEFA's fifth-highest league, a smaller domestic champion, and two teams with the highest club coefficients. At present, this would be another team from England and Spain.
Here's the current list
https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/club/%23/yr/2023#/yr/2023
Post by: Lsvilla on May 21, 2023, 09:54:11 PM
Thanks. 31/08 is the wife's birthday so sure she'd be up for spending a few days taking in Eston Villa or some such other. Although agree about getting ahead of ourselvesI do find that IF we will enter it will be 24th Aug first leg and 31th Aug second leg - the draw for this play off will be 7th Aug (Wiki). Shouldnt speculate like this of course.I'm probably tempting fate I know.
The Europa Conference League 23/24 kicks off on 13th July with the first qualifying round. We would not be starting until the play off round for the group stage on 7th August.
If we want a local derby, then cheer on Connahs Quay Nomads, Penybont, and Haverfordwest County to perform heroics to reach our stage.
Notable teams already qualified include Club Brugge, Gent, Hadjuk Split, Legia Warsaw, and Dinamo Minsk.
Others will follow as domestic leagues conclude and there will also be teams who haven't quite done enough dropping down from the Champions League and Europa League.
Quite a few teams from Ireland including St Patricks Athletic. If we cross paths with them, I expect God to be guest of honour at both legs and if I had my way he would take the kick off too !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2%80%9324_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League
I'm assuming this is why we haven't announced a pre-season friendly for w/e of 5 August.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 21, 2023, 10:50:16 PM
Not sure if it’s been mentioned but it’s looking like there will be 5 English teams playing in the Champions League from 2024/25 onwards.
I’ve seen a few people mention us trying to crack the top 4 next season but in reality top 5 should be enough, and obviously feels more achievable.
It's not going to work like that, it's the beginning of the implementation of a closed shop. The competition is expanding by 4 teams.QuoteThe extra four teams are going to be made up of a club that finishes third in UEFA's fifth-highest league, a smaller domestic champion, and two teams with the highest club coefficients. At present, this would be another team from England and Spain.
Here's the current list
https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/club/%23/yr/2023#/yr/2023
So Chelsea would have got CL this season under those rules. Fucking joke.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 21, 2023, 11:11:05 PM
Obviously want to see us in the highest level of competition possible, but I think the Conference League could be an ideal reintroduction into European competition for us. It's a tournament we should have a decent chance of progressing into the latter stages of and winning it earns a place in the next level of competition standard wise.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 22, 2023, 07:50:56 AM
Post by: algy on May 22, 2023, 08:16:26 AM
Think having European football in any form will help both expand the quality of players on offer, and the number of them we can give a decent number games to. It's not the be all and end all, but it'll make the next step up a hell of a lot easier.
Post by: wittonwarrior on May 22, 2023, 08:18:14 AM
Post by: lovejoy on May 22, 2023, 08:28:42 AM
I think we’ll go down to 10 men but win with a dinked penalty.
Post by: Deano's Mullet on May 22, 2023, 08:30:59 AM
Post by: Paul.S on May 22, 2023, 08:31:02 AM
Post by: LeeB on May 22, 2023, 08:38:29 AM
Some Small Heathens are obsessed and terrified as to whether we will qualify . They have a Villa thread on there under the cleverly disguised title of Brighton in Europe.
I love how they do that now, like the 'other games' thread that mysteriously appears if we've gone behind in a game.
Post by: Paul.S on May 22, 2023, 08:51:10 AM
Some Small Heathens are obsessed and terrified as to whether we will qualify . They have a Villa thread on there under the cleverly disguised title of Brighton in Europe.
They’ve always been obsessed. I’ve got one at work who could name our squad, tell me about any injuries we’ve got and what we’ll need player wise if we qualify. I’m sure they’ll be showing our game on Sunday on a giant screen in Small Heath. They’ll get a better turnout than the few hundred that turn up to watch them from the 2 stands that are open on a match day.
Post by: Villan82 on May 22, 2023, 09:00:26 AM
Post by: Deano's Mullet on May 22, 2023, 09:08:11 AM
Post by: wittonwarrior on May 22, 2023, 09:08:24 AM
Some Small Heathens are obsessed and terrified as to whether we will qualify . They have a Villa thread on there under the cleverly disguised title of Brighton in Europe.
They’ve always been obsessed. I’ve got one at work who could name our squad, tell me about any injuries we’ve got and what we’ll need player wise if we qualify. I’m sure they’ll be showing our game on Sunday on a giant screen in Small Heath. They’ll get a better turnout than the few hundred that turn up to watch them from the 2 stands that are open on a match day.
What I've always said want to win a Villa quiz, pull together a Bluenose team
Post by: Paul.S on May 22, 2023, 09:24:07 AM
Some Small Heathens are obsessed and terrified as to whether we will qualify . They have a Villa thread on there under the cleverly disguised title of Brighton in Europe.
They’ve always been obsessed. I’ve got one at work who could name our squad, tell me about any injuries we’ve got and what we’ll need player wise if we qualify. I’m sure they’ll be showing our game on Sunday on a giant screen in Small Heath. They’ll get a better turnout than the few hundred that turn up to watch them from the 2 stands that are open on a match day.
What I've always said want to win a Villa quiz, pull together a Bluenose team
It sounds odd but that’s 100% true.
Post by: eamonn on May 22, 2023, 10:00:40 AM
It’s good Brighton qualified already and have an extra match to fit in.
I think we’ll go down to 10 men but win with a dinked penalty.
I'd rather bring Dwight out of retirement to have a go than let Ollie take it.
Post by: Monty on May 22, 2023, 10:02:01 AM
It’s good Brighton qualified already and have an extra match to fit in.
I think we’ll go down to 10 men but win with a dinked penalty.
I'd rather bring Dwight out of retirement to have a go than let Ollie take it.
I always thought penalties should be treated like other dead ball situations, so why the striker rather than (say) Doug or McGinn should take it was a bit beyond me.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 22, 2023, 10:02:21 AM
Hopefully but 97-98 was actually a better season than the one that followed in my view. More wins, UEFA Cup qualification and more points I think. We may have finished a place higher but w actually did better in that 7th placed season.
Agreed. The wheels came off so badly in 98/99 that it soured the earlier part of the season.
Post by: LeeB on May 22, 2023, 10:24:27 AM
Hopefully but 97-98 was actually a better season than the one that followed in my view. More wins, UEFA Cup qualification and more points I think. We may have finished a place higher but w actually did better in that 7th placed season.
Agreed. The wheels came off so badly in 98/99 that it soured the earlier part of the season.
Plus, 97-98 was like this season where we pulled off a bit of a miracle from a hopeless situation, that's always more fun than the other way around.
Post by: Deano's Mullet on May 22, 2023, 10:45:38 AM
Post by: eamonn on May 22, 2023, 10:55:11 AM
Hopefully but 97-98 was actually a better season than the one that followed in my view. More wins, UEFA Cup qualification and more points I think. We may have finished a place higher but w actually did better in that 7th placed season.
Agreed. The wheels came off so badly in 98/99 that it soured the earlier part of the season.
Yeah but at least we had a Steve Stone to show for it...
Post by: Drummond on May 22, 2023, 11:18:02 AM
It’s good Brighton qualified already and have an extra match to fit in.
I think we’ll go down to 10 men but win with a dinked penalty.
I'd rather bring Dwight out of retirement to have a go than let Ollie take it.
I always thought penalties should be treated like other dead ball situations, so why the striker rather than (say) Doug or McGinn should take it was a bit beyond me.
I agree. Strikers are usually great at hitting a moving ball, whereas any position on the pitch should be capable of hitting a stationary one, and the dead-ball specialists should be the best at that.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 22, 2023, 11:35:16 AM
It’s good Brighton qualified already and have an extra match to fit in.
I think we’ll go down to 10 men but win with a dinked penalty.
I'd rather bring Dwight out of retirement to have a go than let Ollie take it.
I always thought penalties should be treated like other dead ball situations, so why the striker rather than (say) Doug or McGinn should take it was a bit beyond me.
I agree. Strikers are usually great at hitting a moving ball, whereas any position on the pitch should be capable of hitting a stationary one, and the dead-ball specialists should be the best at that.
Any professional footballer should be able to score a penalty from 12 yards so it's mainly down to mentality, the technique can be enhanced by practice. It shouldn't necessarily default to the striker.
Post by: Bobby Boy on May 22, 2023, 11:38:44 AM
It’s good Brighton qualified already and have an extra match to fit in.
I think we’ll go down to 10 men but win with a dinked penalty.
I'd rather bring Dwight out of retirement to have a go than let Ollie take it.
I always thought penalties should be treated like other dead ball situations, so why the striker rather than (say) Doug or McGinn should take it was a bit beyond me.
I agree. Strikers are usually great at hitting a moving ball, whereas any position on the pitch should be capable of hitting a stationary one, and the dead-ball specialists should be the best at that.
Any professional footballer should be able to take an unsaveable penalty but you see so many poorly taken penalties that it's evidently about calmness under pressure and mental strength more than anything else.
Ollie has missed more than he has scored during his career so by definition he is not good under pressure.
If we get a critical pen against Brighton I would be shocked (and terrified) if Ollie stepped up to take it.
Post by: Drummond on May 22, 2023, 12:09:53 PM
If we had a penalty shootout, I think my 5 would be...
Coutinho
Buendia
Luiz
McGinn
Digne
Post by: Smithy on May 22, 2023, 02:26:24 PM
Penalties get saved. It happens. If a big goalie guesses the right way then there is only a tiny part of the goal they can't get to in time.It’s good Brighton qualified already and have an extra match to fit in.
I think we’ll go down to 10 men but win with a dinked penalty.
I'd rather bring Dwight out of retirement to have a go than let Ollie take it.
I always thought penalties should be treated like other dead ball situations, so why the striker rather than (say) Doug or McGinn should take it was a bit beyond me.
I agree. Strikers are usually great at hitting a moving ball, whereas any position on the pitch should be capable of hitting a stationary one, and the dead-ball specialists should be the best at that.
Any professional footballer should be able to take an unsaveable penalty but you see so many poorly taken penalties that it's evidently about calmness under pressure and mental strength more than anything else.
Ollie has missed more than he has scored during his career so by definition he is not good under pressure.
If we get a critical pen against Brighton I would be shocked (and terrified) if Ollie stepped up to take it.
But missing the target is a cardinal sin. I'd rather he fired it down the middle and have it bounce off a keeper who didn't move, than miss the target altogether. No more pens for Ollie please.
Post by: Drummond on May 22, 2023, 02:52:27 PM
Penalties get saved. It happens. If a big goalie guesses the right way then there is only a tiny part of the goal they can't get to in time.It’s good Brighton qualified already and have an extra match to fit in.
I think we’ll go down to 10 men but win with a dinked penalty.
I'd rather bring Dwight out of retirement to have a go than let Ollie take it.
I always thought penalties should be treated like other dead ball situations, so why the striker rather than (say) Doug or McGinn should take it was a bit beyond me.
I agree. Strikers are usually great at hitting a moving ball, whereas any position on the pitch should be capable of hitting a stationary one, and the dead-ball specialists should be the best at that.
Any professional footballer should be able to take an unsaveable penalty but you see so many poorly taken penalties that it's evidently about calmness under pressure and mental strength more than anything else.
Ollie has missed more than he has scored during his career so by definition he is not good under pressure.
If we get a critical pen against Brighton I would be shocked (and terrified) if Ollie stepped up to take it.
But missing the target is a cardinal sin. I'd rather he fired it down the middle and have it bounce off a keeper who didn't move, than miss the target altogether. No more pens for Ollie please.
Agree completely. I don't know why they don't just practise top corner every time, it's the bit the keeper can't get.
Post by: clash city rocker on May 22, 2023, 02:55:33 PM
Post by: Risso on May 22, 2023, 02:59:58 PM
Post by: eamonn on May 22, 2023, 03:17:33 PM
Post by: Drummond on May 22, 2023, 03:39:39 PM
Didn't Gabby and Vass have this issue as well? Shit thinkers, better on impulse?
Yep, Agbonlahor in particular. Though thinking about anything is a struggle for him.
(https://twitter.com/i/status/546340275292213249)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 22, 2023, 03:47:02 PM
Ollie's at his best when he has a split second to react instinctively. When he gets time to think about it and has to make a decision, (eg to drill it into the corner or dink it over a keeper) he often gets it wrong. I think it's the same for him when it come to penalties.
That's what I think too. It might be worth his while doing a Fernandez style run up but I fear with the weight of that on his mind and the pen he'd end up falling on the ball or at best backhealing the ball in the other direction.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 22, 2023, 03:51:08 PM
Post by: paul_e on May 22, 2023, 04:08:59 PM
Sure I read somewhere that only 70% of penalties go in.
I think it's 78% in the premier league.
Post by: eamonn on May 22, 2023, 04:24:09 PM
Post by: LeeB on May 22, 2023, 04:34:41 PM
The beautiful 80/20 rule to live life by.
True, I've always lived by giving no more than 80% at work and saving the 20% for emergencies.
Post by: SamTheMouse on May 22, 2023, 04:37:04 PM
Didn't Gabby and Vass have this issue as well? Shit thinkers, better on impulse?
Its official name is Theo Walcott Syndrome.
Post by: Drummond on May 22, 2023, 05:02:21 PM
The beautiful 80/20 rule to live life by.
True, I've always lived by giving no more than 80% at work and saving the 20% for emergencies.
You're doing it the wrong way around.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2023, 05:29:20 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on May 22, 2023, 06:55:24 PM
“Clarification that the goalkeeper must not behave in a manner that fails to show respect for the game and the opponent, i.e. by unfairly distracting the kicker,” it says.
“The defending goalkeeper must remain on the goal line, facing the kicker, between the goalposts, without touching the goalposts, crossbar or goal net, until the ball is kicked. The goalkeeper must not behave in a way that unfairly distracts the kicker, e.g. delay the taking of the kick or touch the goalposts, crossbar or goal net.”
Post by: Holte L2 on May 22, 2023, 07:44:35 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on May 22, 2023, 07:52:28 PM
They're changing the rules for pens next season, so the keeper is barely allowed to move
“Clarification that the goalkeeper must not behave in a manner that fails to show respect for the game and the opponent, i.e. by unfairly distracting the kicker,” it says.
“The defending goalkeeper must remain on the goal line, facing the kicker, between the goalposts, without touching the goalposts, crossbar or goal net, until the ball is kicked. The goalkeeper must not behave in a way that unfairly distracts the kicker, e.g. delay the taking of the kick or touch the goalposts, crossbar or goal net.”
Is that true? Jesus, what a load of bollocks.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 22, 2023, 07:52:48 PM
IF we qualify for the conference league, will we have to play a preliminary round? If so do we know when it will be?
We would enter at the Play-off round stage. Draw is on Aug. 7th with the games on Aug. 24th & 31st.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023–24_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 22, 2023, 07:55:39 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 22, 2023, 07:59:27 PM
Why don't they just make the keeper wear a blindfold and be done with it. Or if they are so bothered with fairness they could stop all the twatty run ups by takers.
Completely agree.
Post by: Dogtanian on May 22, 2023, 08:01:34 PM
They're changing the rules for pens next season, so the keeper is barely allowed to move
“Clarification that the goalkeeper must not behave in a manner that fails to show respect for the game and the opponent, i.e. by unfairly distracting the kicker,” it says.
“The defending goalkeeper must remain on the goal line, facing the kicker, between the goalposts, without touching the goalposts, crossbar or goal net, until the ball is kicked. The goalkeeper must not behave in a way that unfairly distracts the kicker, e.g. delay the taking of the kick or touch the goalposts, crossbar or goal net.”
Emi’s Law.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 22, 2023, 08:02:17 PM
X2Why don't they just make the keeper wear a blindfold and be done with it. Or if they are so bothered with fairness they could stop all the twatty run ups by takers.
Completely agree.
Post by: Chap on May 22, 2023, 08:04:03 PM
Post by: Holte L2 on May 22, 2023, 08:05:24 PM
IF we qualify for the conference league, will we have to play a preliminary round? If so do we know when it will be?
We would enter at the Play-off round stage. Draw is on Aug. 7th with the games on Aug. 24th & 31st.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023–24_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League
Thank you. Thought so with the dates. At a family music festival on 24th August so praying we arent at home over those dates.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 23, 2023, 12:41:07 AM
IF we qualify for the conference league, will we have to play a preliminary round? If so do we know when it will be?
We would enter at the Play-off round stage. Draw is on Aug. 7th with the games on Aug. 24th & 31st.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023–24_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League
If I have understood it correctly, two Scottish clubs could be in the Conference League qualifiers. If I have got it right, I think it is the two Edinburgh clubs who are in the qualifying places, so one of them would be an interesting draw.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 23, 2023, 01:03:16 AM
IF we qualify for the conference league, will we have to play a preliminary round? If so do we know when it will be?
We would enter at the Play-off round stage. Draw is on Aug. 7th with the games on Aug. 24th & 31st.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023–24_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League
If I have understood it correctly, two Scottish clubs could be in the Conference League qualifiers. If I have got it right, I think it is the two Edinburgh clubs who are in the qualifying places, so one of them would be an interesting draw.
More likely to be Aberdeen and Hearts with 3rd and 4th place having to get through 1 and 2 qualifying rounds respectively to be in the draw with us.
Post by: olaftab on May 23, 2023, 03:51:01 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on May 23, 2023, 07:13:40 AM
Aside from the embarrassment, I think the team deserve a nice send-off from the fans after the final whistle rather than being rushed down the tunnel in the name of security.
Post by: algy on May 23, 2023, 07:25:04 AM
If we win on Sunday and qualify for Europe, I really hope people don’t think it’s pitch-invasionworthy.Agree, a pitch invasion for finishing 7th is a bit small time.
Aside from the embarrassment, I think the team deserve a nice send-off from the fans after the final whistle rather than being rushed down the tunnel in the name of security.
Really hope we qualify and get one of the Scottish sides in the groups though, preferably Aberdeen.
Post by: Goldenballs on May 23, 2023, 07:26:00 AM
I'd much rather see the players and Emery walk around taking the applause.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 23, 2023, 08:49:49 AM
IF we qualify for the conference league, will we have to play a preliminary round? If so do we know when it will be?
We would enter at the Play-off round stage. Draw is on Aug. 7th with the games on Aug. 24th & 31st.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023–24_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League
If I have understood it correctly, two Scottish clubs could be in the Conference League qualifiers. If I have got it right, I think it is the two Edinburgh clubs who are in the qualifying places, so one of them would be an interesting draw.
More likely to be Aberdeen and Hearts with 3rd and 4th place having to get through 1 and 2 qualifying rounds respectively to be in the draw with us.
Ah, I think I got it wrong then. Thought 3rd place got Europa League and 4th and 5th went into Conference League qualification.
Post by: TaxDodger on May 23, 2023, 09:02:09 AM
If we win on Sunday and qualify for Europe, I really hope people don’t think it’s pitch-invasionworthy.
Aside from the embarrassment, I think the team deserve a nice send-off from the fans after the final whistle rather than being rushed down the tunnel in the name of security.
Perhaps I'm being dramatic, but a pitch invasion for finishing 7th would be the most pathetically tinpot thing I have any seen any set of fans do ever. I thought the pitch invasions for winning an FA Cup Quarter Final and a Play Off Semi Final were pretty tragic and very much beneath a club of our stature, but this would deservedly result in our fanbase being mocked for years to come. I'm sure it won't happen.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 23, 2023, 09:13:48 AM
I'm pretty sure it will. There's always some pricks who will take any excuse.If we win on Sunday and qualify for Europe, I really hope people don’t think it’s pitch-invasionworthy.
Aside from the embarrassment, I think the team deserve a nice send-off from the fans after the final whistle rather than being rushed down the tunnel in the name of security.
Perhaps I'm being dramatic, but a pitch invasion for finishing 7th would be the most pathetically tinpot thing I have any seen any set of fans do ever. I thought the pitch invasions for winning an FA Cup Quarter Final and a Play Off Semi Final were pretty tragic and very much beneath a club of our stature, but this would deservedly result in our fanbase being mocked for years to come. I'm sure it won't happen.
Post by: Bully2345 on May 23, 2023, 09:34:21 AM
I really hope it doesn't happen
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 23, 2023, 09:35:48 AM
If we win on Sunday and qualify for Europe, I really hope people don’t think it’s pitch-invasionworthy.
Aside from the embarrassment, I think the team deserve a nice send-off from the fans after the final whistle rather than being rushed down the tunnel in the name of security.
They take a break before doing the lap of honour / appreciation / shame / whatever that season anyway.
But agree, a pitch invasion would be Albion levels of small time.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 23, 2023, 09:36:43 AM
They should ban the dodgy run-up as well in that case.
Absolutely, this has pissed me off since John Aldridge invented it.
It has got absolutely absurd in recent seasons, it needs to be stamped down on.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 23, 2023, 09:37:59 AM
A pitch invasion for 7th would be pathetically small time.
I'd much rather see the players and Emery walk around taking the applause.
Completely agree, in fact the thought of a pitch invasion hadn't even crossed my mind. It would be mortifying and rightly mocked.
Post by: not3bad on May 23, 2023, 10:19:57 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2023, 10:28:33 AM
Post by: Bully2345 on May 23, 2023, 10:29:26 AM
Pitch invasions should be reserved for winning something or qualifying for a final.
I'd say not even then. Sorry to be grumpy about them
Post by: Steve67 on May 23, 2023, 03:54:07 PM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 23, 2023, 03:57:04 PM
Post by: frank black on May 23, 2023, 04:00:57 PM
Getting into Europe would obviously be a great achievement, especially given how we started the season. But it is the Europa Conference League so no need to go too mental.
That’s my view, in fact Ill go one more and say I see it as an unnecessary distraction from the competitions that really matter. I hope we play our second string in this (assuming we qualify) from the off (but with an Olsen upgrade)
Post by: Dogtanian on May 23, 2023, 04:13:40 PM
What we can't do is concentrate on it above the league next season. We have to start consistently finishing high up in the table or it's for nothing. Some clubs prioritise their european campaign because for them it's a once in a lifetime opportunity. Our expectation is that this is the first of many, so lets make sure we qualify for europe again next season in the league.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 23, 2023, 04:18:40 PM
Getting into Europe would obviously be a great achievement, especially given how we started the season. But it is the Europa Conference League so no need to go too mental.
That’s my view, in fact Ill go one more and say I see it as an unnecessary distraction from the competitions that really matter. I hope we play our second string in this (assuming we qualify) from the off (but with an Olsen upgrade)
We need to win a trophy next season, 2024 will be our 150th anniversary. The FA Cup will do for starters. That would also see use automatically qualify for the 2024/25 Europa League with the final in Bilbao, Emery's backyard.
Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 23, 2023, 04:18:44 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 23, 2023, 06:15:58 PM
If there is a pitch invasion, I say ban the lot of them and strip them of their STs. That'll get the queue down by a couple of thousand.
I wonder how many will pay the £1500 queue-jumping tax/terrace membership?
Post by: john e on May 23, 2023, 08:09:38 PM
We are the kings of the pitch invasion any excuse we’re on there
We brought the whole thing back into fashion with the ‘ back to the dark days’ match
I mean Caribou cup semi-final and we’re running all over the place it’s not a small time it’s what we do when we get a sniff of even the possibility of something good
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 23, 2023, 08:15:06 PM
Post by: Risso on May 23, 2023, 08:23:32 PM
Post by: LeeB on May 23, 2023, 08:30:34 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 23, 2023, 08:39:02 PM
Has anybody actually suggested a pitch invasion or are people worrying about absolutely nothing?who is worrying?
Post by: Risso on May 23, 2023, 08:41:02 PM
Has anybody actually suggested a pitch invasion or are people worrying about absolutely nothing?who is worrying?
People discussing it over the last three pages.
Post by: john e on May 23, 2023, 08:52:15 PM
Has anybody actually suggested a pitch invasion or are people worrying about absolutely nothing?who is worrying?
People discussing it over the last three pages.
I can see a return of the worried thread coming
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 23, 2023, 08:52:49 PM
Has anybody actually suggested a pitch invasion or are people worrying about absolutely nothing?
Hopefully worrying about nothing. If we do qualify, and Prince William is in attendance, maybe a rousing rendition of 'God Save the King' would be a nice way to celebrate. Wouldn't want our fans to be accused of a return to the Dark Ages.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 23, 2023, 10:12:37 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 23, 2023, 11:04:55 PM
No to pitch invasions, yes to 3 nights of the city gridlocked with cars, people hanging out of them with flags, fireworks etc.Does that ever happen in England?
I didn't see such antics for jubilee or coronation.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 23, 2023, 11:07:27 PM
Exactly let people have there theories. There's a reasonable concept here and people want to discuss it.Has anybody actually suggested a pitch invasion or are people worrying about absolutely nothing?who is worrying?
People discussing it over the last three pages.
I can see a return of the worried thread coming
I'm against any sort of rule breaking though
Post by: Towser on May 24, 2023, 06:30:48 AM
Post by: AV82EC on May 24, 2023, 06:34:24 AM
Do we need to bring out the Orange dot for Sunday? Or maybe Tony Butlers payer mat?
We have no need for such lower table quackery these days. Trust in the wizardry of our Manager.
Post by: olaftab on May 24, 2023, 06:58:24 AM
Do we need to bring out the Orange dot for Sunday? Or maybe Tony Butlers payer mat?No. The Dot lost all its power during the Lambert years. It’s dead, it’s no more, it has faded into an opaque mess that resembles Steven Gerrard.
Post by: olaftab on May 24, 2023, 07:02:24 AM
No to pitch invasions, yes to 3 nights of the city gridlocked with cars, people hanging out of them with flags, fireworks etc.This happens down the Rock every Saturday night, not sure why, so nothing new to our city. Sorry I mean city that belongs to blose.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 25, 2023, 12:55:59 AM
Do we need to bring out the Orange dot for Sunday? Or maybe Tony Butlers payer mat?
I've seen references to the orange dot before but I've never known what it is all about. Can anyone explain? Thank you.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 25, 2023, 01:28:55 AM
Do we need to bring out the Orange dot for Sunday? Or maybe Tony Butlers payer mat?
I've seen references to the orange dot before but I've never known what it is all about. Can anyone explain? Thank you.
It's a dot, that's orange. And once had magical powers.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 25, 2023, 04:32:17 AM
Do we need to bring out the Orange dot for Sunday? Or maybe Tony Butlers payer mat?
I've seen references to the orange dot before but I've never known what it is all about. Can anyone explain? Thank you.
It's a dot, that's orange. And once had magical powers.
And it was brought out in desperation because as usual we were in deep shit. We had lost most if not all faith in whoever the manager was at the time and most of the players. We needed some kind of divine intervention just to get by. And even then, the power of our shitness was often too great even for the magic of the orange dot. Such was the magnitude of our uselessness.
Post by: IFWaters on May 25, 2023, 04:42:54 AM
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Post by: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2023, 07:54:22 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on May 25, 2023, 08:04:41 AM
The problem with the orange dot is that it didn’t work and should be consigned to the dustbin of history
We should buy another one, a Spanish international dot.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2023, 08:19:39 AM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 25, 2023, 08:23:58 AM
Post by: Rory on May 25, 2023, 08:57:58 AM
Post by: aj2k77 on May 25, 2023, 09:22:03 AM
Post by: rob_bridge on May 25, 2023, 09:24:17 AM
Do we need to bring out the Orange dot for Sunday? Or maybe Tony Butlers payer mat?
I've seen references to the orange dot before but I've never known what it is all about. Can anyone explain? Thank you.
The Orange Dot is something that is, that was and that will be. I can't think of another way to explain it. Like God - but bigger.
Post by: Legion on May 25, 2023, 09:27:56 AM
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 25, 2023, 12:28:18 PM
Post by: eamonn on May 25, 2023, 03:47:34 PM
The Orange Dot is dead.
They got a message from the Action Man, I'm happy hope you're happy too.
Post by: Bad English on May 25, 2023, 04:51:17 PM
LOOK UPON IT AND QUAKE SEAGULL OLBYUN!
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2023, 04:52:39 PM
Post by: mallo on May 25, 2023, 05:15:31 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 05:46:30 PM
I like hearing about this symbolism. It's a sign and I would develop this theory further regards oranges.The problem with the orange dot is that it didn’t work and should be consigned to the dustbin of history
We should buy another one, a Spanish international dot.
Emery managed Valenica and Sevilla where they have Spanish oranges so that's a sign.
Basically we are connected to oranges
Post by: Drummond on May 25, 2023, 05:48:47 PM
Post by: Drummond on May 25, 2023, 05:49:15 PM
To get into Europe at the expense of spuds would make it glorious - they'll struggle to sign better players. Please let us do the business. Brighton - injured players don't command as big a transfer fee - watch yourselves.
And the manager recruitment process, that's already tricky for them could get trickier.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 06:07:23 PM
Last season Roma beat Feyenoord and this season its West Ham v Fiorentina.
Really hope we make it into Europe as there is a high chance of winning the trophy for sure I feel.
Post by: Pete3206 on May 25, 2023, 10:49:00 PM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on May 25, 2023, 10:58:50 PM
Let's just get in it first.This x 1000!
Post by: Towser on May 25, 2023, 11:11:26 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 26, 2023, 01:06:41 AM
Post by: Rory on May 26, 2023, 08:26:06 AM
Thanks for the explanation, being circular and orange myself I should have just felt the power of the orange dot. It's all I see now when I close my eyes, a sacrifice shall be made.
That's only required when it starts pulsating.
Post by: eamonn on May 26, 2023, 08:37:24 AM
Thanks for the explanation, being circular and orange myself I should have just felt the power of the orange dot. It's all I see now when I close my eyes, a sacrifice shall be made.
Don't squeeze yourself too much, we don't want you drying out especially with summer comin'.
Post by: DB on May 26, 2023, 11:18:47 AM
I am excited by the progress we have made under Unai, what the summer may bring and where this club is heading....but is it that big a deal playing in the conf league?
Post by: Bad English on May 26, 2023, 11:22:25 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on May 26, 2023, 11:23:17 AM
Is it me or anyone else not getting excited by the Conf League? It's a 3rd tier euro comp playing Andorra's finest.
I am excited by the progress we have made under Unai, what the summer may bring and where this club is heading....but is it that big a deal playing in the conf league?
It can lead to an extra £15-20m of revenue that can be spent improving the squad, so yeah it's an important step.
Post by: sid1964 on May 26, 2023, 11:24:00 AM
Hopefully we get through
Post by: DB on May 26, 2023, 11:29:55 AM
Is it me or anyone else not getting excited by the Conf League? It's a 3rd tier euro comp playing Andorra's finest.
I am excited by the progress we have made under Unai, what the summer may bring and where this club is heading....but is it that big a deal playing in the conf league?
It can lead to an extra £15-20m of revenue that can be spent improving the squad, so yeah it's an important step.
I get that and winning it brings Europa qualification, but just the prestige of it is a bit…
I’ll still be screaming the team on Sunday to get this final win.
Post by: OCD on May 26, 2023, 11:30:04 AM
Well, winning it qualifies you for the Europa...
Not much good when you've already qualified for the Champions League.
Post by: AV82EC on May 26, 2023, 11:33:30 AM
Is it me or anyone else not getting excited by the Conf League? It's a 3rd tier euro comp playing Andorra's finest.
I am excited by the progress we have made under Unai, what the summer may bring and where this club is heading....but is it that big a deal playing in the conf league?
It can lead to an extra £15-20m of revenue that can be spent improving the squad, so yeah it's an important step.
I get that and winning it brings Europa qualification, but just the prestige of it is a bit…
I’ll still be screaming the team on Sunday to get this final win.
Is it any less prestigious than say the Cup Winners Cup used to be? Its a bit like saying the League Cup isnt as prestigious as any domestic tournament, yes it may not have the cache of the FA Cup but I notice every club includes it within there list of honours won and newbee "big clubs" Cit£h and Chelski deliberately targeted it to get there trophy counts up. I'm hoping we do the same.
Post by: BC Villain on May 26, 2023, 11:34:45 AM
Is it me or anyone else not getting excited by the Conf League? It's a 3rd tier euro comp playing Andorra's finest.
I am excited by the progress we have made under Unai, what the summer may bring and where this club is heading....but is it that big a deal playing in the conf league?
I think the fact that they always pick small stadiums for the final tells its own story. I get that it's European competition, but it still has that mickey mouse feel about it.
Post by: OCD on May 26, 2023, 11:36:28 AM
Post by: LeeB on May 26, 2023, 11:36:44 AM
Post by: AV82EC on May 26, 2023, 11:37:46 AM
Is it me or anyone else not getting excited by the Conf League? It's a 3rd tier euro comp playing Andorra's finest.
I am excited by the progress we have made under Unai, what the summer may bring and where this club is heading....but is it that big a deal playing in the conf league?
I think the fact that they always pick small stadiums for the final tells its own story. I get that it's European competition, but it still has that mickey mouse feel about it.
And UEFA have admitted already that's been a mistake and need to rectify it.
Post by: FatSam on May 26, 2023, 11:46:39 AM
Is it me or anyone else not getting excited by the Conf League? It's a 3rd tier euro comp playing Andorra's finest.Roma won it last year, and they're in the Europa League final this year.
I am excited by the progress we have made under Unai, what the summer may bring and where this club is heading....but is it that big a deal playing in the conf league?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 26, 2023, 12:01:03 PM
Is it me or anyone else not getting excited by the Conf League? It's a 3rd tier euro comp playing Andorra's finest.
As long as we don't take them lightly. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/40475647
More generally, what LeeB said.
Post by: eamonn on May 26, 2023, 12:49:25 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on May 26, 2023, 01:51:26 PM
Is it me or anyone else not getting excited by the Conf League? It's a 3rd tier euro comp playing Andorra's finest.
I am excited by the progress we have made under Unai, what the summer may bring and where this club is heading....but is it that big a deal playing in the conf league?
I am excited about the prospect of being back in European competition to be honest. Think it will be a good step back into European football and hopefully a step towards us competing in higher level competitions.
Would still love to see us win the Europa League (though wish it was still a two legged knockout competition and called the UEFA Cup, but there you go) and this could be a stepping stone in that process.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 26, 2023, 02:08:08 PM
Post by: LeeB on May 26, 2023, 02:12:10 PM
It means we will play more matches, you spend more time on H&V and will give your life more meaning and less meaning at the same time.
Ha, so very true.
Post by: Cleybrooke on May 26, 2023, 03:06:39 PM
AV WH
Mon 2 2
Tues 2 0
Wed 2 6 (1 EC Game)
Thu 1 0 (19 EC Games)
Fri 2 1
Sat 18 11
Sun 11 18
In conclusion - 7 extra games on Sunday rather than a Saturday, plus alot of football (potentially) on a Thursday Evening...
Post by: AV82EC on May 26, 2023, 03:22:08 PM
Just looking at West Hams Season and which games are played on which days. (Done quickly so there is a margin of error) This excludes FA and EFL games
AV WH
Mon 2 2
Tues 2 0
Wed 2 6 (1 EC Game)
Thu 1 0 (19 EC Games)
Fri 2 1
Sat 18 11
Sun 11 18
In conclusion - 7 extra games on Sunday rather than a Saturday, plus alot of football (potentially) on a Thursday Evening...
Excellent, let’s build that squad to challenge on all fronts.
Post by: trinityoap on May 26, 2023, 03:28:58 PM
Post by: algy on May 26, 2023, 03:29:23 PM
Is it me or anyone else not getting excited by the Conf League? It's a 3rd tier euro comp playing Andorra's finest.I'm excited about it.
I am excited by the progress we have made under Unai, what the summer may bring and where this club is heading....but is it that big a deal playing in the conf league?
For a start, we need the extra games to build up our squad depth - and with that, start challenging for the Champions League places (and beyond) consistently.
More importantly ... if you look at the teams who've got to the knockout rounds, there's a far bigger range of weird & wonderful countries to visit. Probably more interesting, in terms of experience travelling abroad, than you'd get in the Champions League or even UEFA Cup. The CL in particular feels a lot like it's the same few teams most seasons.
I also think you'd look at the sides who reached the knockout stages this season, and personally - I think there's less than half a dozen sides who, if we played them, we'd not go in as heavy favourites.
I dunno what it is about fun trips to weird places with cheap beer to see Villa (probably) win that appeals, but ...
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 26, 2023, 04:39:44 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2023, 04:45:56 PM
We've done fuck all of note in the league for over a decade, and have spent most of it being very shit, we're not really in a position to think the Conference is below us.
The odd shiny moment aside, we've done fuck all for the majority of the past 40 years. We are a big club, we are bigger club in our own eyes than understood or appreciated by most of the football watching population. Getting back into Europe for next season would be a magnificent achievement. We can dream of loftier ambitions after we take the first step back to national and continental relevance.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 26, 2023, 05:06:40 PM
Post by: algy on May 26, 2023, 05:28:36 PM
Yeah, absolutely. As has been gone over before, over the past 100 years our trophy cabinet has been quite bare really. Looking purely in terms of trophies, you can pretty much split it in to three short bursts:We've done fuck all of note in the league for over a decade, and have spent most of it being very shit, we're not really in a position to think the Conference is below us.
The odd shiny moment aside, we've done fuck all for the majority of the past 40 years. We are a big club, we are bigger club in our own eyes than understood or appreciated by most of the football watching population. Getting back into Europe for next season would be a magnificent achievement. We can dream of loftier ambitions after we take the first step back to national and continental relevance.
- (Big gap from 1921 onwards)
- FA Cup (1957) and League Cup (1961*)
- League Cup (1975), League Cup (1977), League (1981), European Cup (1982)
- League Cup (1994), League Cup (1996)
- (Big gap in the 21st century)
I mean, whilst there's definitely clubs that have worse records than us ... it's not setting the world alight either.
I'd be happy if we started winning trophies, regardless of what they are
Post by: frank black on May 26, 2023, 05:51:17 PM
Post by: Risso on May 26, 2023, 06:03:50 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on May 26, 2023, 06:06:48 PM
Is it me or anyone else not getting excited by the Conf League? It's a 3rd tier euro comp playing Andorra's finest.
I am excited by the progress we have made under Unai, what the summer may bring and where this club is heading....but is it that big a deal playing in the conf league?
Yes, it is a big deal and I am very excited at the prospect.
Post by: SamTheMouse on May 26, 2023, 06:11:12 PM
West Ham are going to play in the final of a continental competition, against Fiorentina in Prague. What isn't romantic about that?
I genuinely don't understand the mentality that turns its nose up at this.
Post by: OCD on May 26, 2023, 06:13:29 PM
Yeah, absolutely. As has been gone over before, over the past 100 years our trophy cabinet has been quite bare really. Looking purely in terms of trophies, you can pretty much split it in to three short bursts:We've done fuck all of note in the league for over a decade, and have spent most of it being very shit, we're not really in a position to think the Conference is below us.
The odd shiny moment aside, we've done fuck all for the majority of the past 40 years. We are a big club, we are bigger club in our own eyes than understood or appreciated by most of the football watching population. Getting back into Europe for next season would be a magnificent achievement. We can dream of loftier ambitions after we take the first step back to national and continental relevance.
- (Big gap from 1921 onwards)
- FA Cup (1957) and League Cup (1961*)
- League Cup (1975), League Cup (1977), League (1981), European Cup (1982)
- League Cup (1994), League Cup (1996)
- (Big gap in the 21st century)
I mean, whilst there's definitely clubs that have worse records than us ... it's not setting the world alight either.
I'd be happy if we started winning trophies, regardless of what they are
- 2024 Conference League and League Cup
- 2025 Europa League and FA Cup
- 2026 Premier League
- 2027 Champions League, League Cup and FA Cup (again)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 26, 2023, 06:15:15 PM
Post by: algy on May 26, 2023, 06:27:40 PM
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Big Six? Great Eight? Is there a route into England’s elite for Newcastle, Brighton and Villa?
Jordan Campbell
May 20, 2023
In June 2018, Southampton vice-chairman Les Reed had Norwich City midfielder James Maddison sitting in his office with a contract ready to be signed. He hoped the 21-year-old would get their strategy of spotting and polishing up potential back on track.
Having risen from administration in League One in 2009 to consecutive Premier League finishes of eighth, seventh, sixth and eighth between 2013-14 and 2016-17, the poster boys of sustainable success in English football had dropped to 17th.
By this point, however, Leicester City had usurped them as the best of the rest outside the top six. They had done what Southampton had failed to by obliterating the glass ceiling to win the league title in 2015-16 and, after reaching the Champions League quarter-finals in their debut appearance, they had deeper pockets.
Even so, Reed maintains it only became a tug of war because the strategy that had elevated them to such heights had been diluted by the Chinese owners who had taken over the club in 2017.
“Maddison was ready to join but I couldn’t get authority from China and that let Leicester in,” Reed tells The Athletic.
“The way we ran our recruitment allowed us to make decisions very quickly under (previous owner) Katharina Liebherr as I had authority to spend £10m or £15m on a player.
“We had been buying players who were our first-choice targets but the new owners brought a completely different approach. When you slow the process down, you lose the ability to get into players quickly before the others, so we were ending up with our third or fourth choice in some cases.
“Those are the fine lines in the Premier League. It’s so competitive that a few wrong decisions at that level can leave you struggling.”
In many ways, the Maddison deal is the juncture at which the seemingly infallible plan of buying low and selling high at both clubs started to stray into something less disciplined, before eventually failing.
For Southampton, the inability to convert their interest was evidence of systemic recruitment issues, the very thing that had propelled them to such heights.
For Leicester, the England midfielder should have gone on to be their next big sale but his continued presence in the team five years later is emblematic of a team that has been allowed to drift into staleness.
Both clubs have held the baton as the Premier League’s model club but, with Southampton relegated and Leicester on the brink, they also serve as a cautionary tale as to how quickly that status can unravel.
Now there is a new batch of clubs who fancy their chances of invading the top six, part of a growing Premier League middle class, but what lessons can be learned from those who did so but couldn’t make their success permanent?
Is it even possible, once you’ve disrupted the natural order, to stay there?
Last month, Aston Villa manager Unai Emery declared the ‘big six’ dead. The Spaniard considers the tag obsolete, suggesting that the clique has been extended to as wide as a top ten.
When a term designed to differentiate an exclusive group ends up encompassing exactly half of the competitors, it is perhaps time to retire words like ‘big’ or ‘top’ as adjectives, but Emery made a pertinent point about the Premier League’s direction of travel towards a quasi-Super League.
Mikel Arteta has said that this year’s Premier League is the strongest he has seen in 22 years. This is a division that has included Todd Boehly’s Chelsea being steered like a man who drives an automatic but was sold a manual, a Tottenham team piggy-backing on Harry Kane, a Liverpool team defending as if unaware of the offside rule for the first seven months and a Manchester United who may be better but endure away trips as well as a SpaceX flight.
It looks inevitable that most of the top six teams will be stronger next season. With Newcastle already in third, less than two years after being purchased by the Saudi Public Investment Fund (PIF), it seems inevitable that they will cement their place in a new top seven, too.
They need to be treated as a different beast to Brighton and Aston Villa but are we nearing the point where the sheer depth of the league puts the established order under threat, or are they just the latest pretenders who will be in the mix for a few years before dropping away?
The make-up of the top six was set in since 2009-10 where City have maintained their presence ever since and Spurs did so for 13 consecutive seasons. There was a five-year period between 2014-15 and 2018-19 when the top six almost wrote itself, bar Leicester’s title win messing with the matrix, but there are always disruptors who attempt to rearrange the order.
The depth of the Premier League’s quality is shown in the global club rankings produced by Omar Chaudhuri, chief intelligence officer at Twenty First Group, a consultancy that provides sports intelligence to clubs, leagues and governing bodies.
Their model gauges the gap between the Premier League and the next-best league to be bigger than the gap between any two leagues in world football. The Premier League has 11 clubs in the world’s top 30, compared to five for Spain, four Italy, four for Germany and six in total from other leagues. England used to have between six and eight at most.
In some respects, it is a form of underachievement, given English clubs occupied 16 of the top 30 spots in the latest Deloitte Money League, but the trend shows the Premier League is pulling away.
Why has the dominance of the top six been so entrenched?
Football finance expert Kieran Maguire points to the most recent booms in TV rights money, pinpointing 2014 and 2017 as pivotal moments in the top six solidifying an insurmountable financial advantage.
On both occasions, there was around a 70 per cent increase in the overall TV revenue pot. The fight between UK broadcasters BT and Sky over market share led to the former paying an astronomical £1.2 billion for exclusivity on Champions League rights, which sees English clubs benefit through the TV pool workings.
“For a club unlike Newcastle to make it into the top six is pushing it because it becomes a virtuous circle. You’ve got to become a disruptor and make it to the Champions League for a start,” Maguire says.
“The competition is worth a minimum of £30 million. If you do well it’s worth double and if you establish yourself then the payments from the ten-year co-efficient shares means it is potentially £100m within a few years. If you get to the latter stages consistently then it is potentially £150m.”
He pitches the Champions League as 3.5 times more lucrative than the Europa League and reforms to the competition from season 2024-25 mean that the Premier League will likely have five Champions League spots.
An additional berth will be given to each of the two countries whose clubs collectively performed best in Europe the previous year — the Premier League has fallen into that category in six of the past seven seasons — so next season could be even more crucial with potentially half the league in contention for five spots compared to what has traditionally been six scrapping over four.
This game of musical chairs can be cut-throat. Build a team like Leicester who became champions with the 15th largest wage budget in a league that had only ever gone to the top three spenders? They’ll view you as an existential threat, flick the cartel switch and try to ensure you never get another sniff.
That’s what happened in 2016 as the big six forced through changes to how overseas TV revenue is split. At the outset of the Premier League it was split evenly due to it being loss-making but in recent years overseas rights have overtaken the domestic rights, so the top six argued it should be based on where teams finish. Since 2017, 50 per cent of the increased overseas revenue is split evenly and the rest is split on position.
Richard Battle, founding director of Left Field Football Consulting which works with clubs on strategy and analytics, spent a season at Everton as head of football strategy so he knows how challenging it is to break into this elite group.
“What makes the current grouping of ‘big six’ clubs different from those in the past is that the label is as fitting in terms of financial performance as it is in league performance,” he says.
“In 2021-22, Tottenham and Arsenal ranked fifth and sixth out of the group in revenue terms, with revenue of €523m and €433m.
“The next highest was West Ham with €301m. That represents a revenue gap of €130m between the ‘big 6’ and the ‘peloton’, even in a season where neither North London club played in the Champions League. In other words, it will take more than just qualification for the Champions League to close the gap financially.”
The way Spurs forced their way in is proof that it isn’t just nine-figure ownership investment required to get there, clubs can grow this organically through having on-field success.
“In 2007-08, Spurs finished 11th and revenues that were 55 per cent less than the top club in the league. They were able to break the stranglehold of the then ‘big 4′ in 2010, get into the Champions League, and since then the gap to the highest-earning club has effectively halved, to 28 per cent,” says Chaudhuri.
“In that time, Spurs’ commercial revenue, generated primarily from sponsorships, has grown nearly five-fold, compared to West Ham — a London rival and suitable comparator club — whose commercial revenue has ‘only’ doubled.”
“Commercial income is increasingly important for clubs, because it’s the one area of income that is theoretically totally ‘open market’. Spurs’ growth in commercial income has even enabled them to overtake Arsenal since 2018.
“It is a long-term game and sponsors will wait to see if you’re a one-season wonder or the real deal.”
The difficulty of being Southampton in 2016 or Brighton in 2023 is that they become victims of their own success. The club becomes known for how smoothly it operates, it becomes the envy of others and the big guns soon gather to feast on the top talents.
Brighton may lose Alexis Mac Allister and Moises Caicedo this summer. Their manager Roberto De Zerbi is also attracting attention, having only taken over in September from Graham Potter, who had been poached by Chelsea.
“Get your recruitment right and then subtly move to the next level. Don’t start spending fortunes on a marquee player where you’re relying on one player,” says Les Reed, reflecting on what he learned from the golden years and the rougher end period he experienced at Southampton between 2010 and 2018. Reed was head of football development and support from 2010 to 2014, with Nicola Cortes in charge of football operations, a role Reed took up subsequently.
“Keep the same process, just fine-tune it. Some clubs get to a certain level and pat themselves on the back. I think that’s what the Chinese owners thought: that there was a Virgil [van Dijk] around every corner.
“Brighton get it. I’ve had loads of discussions with those guys and they know what is required and that it’s not a given. They could drop a couple of places but I think they know what they need to do to keep there and keep prodding at the top six.”
Southampton built a formidable side under Mauricio Pochettino and then Ronald Koeman, at one point achieving the enviable ambition of having a 50-50 split between academy players and project players in their starting XI.
Victor Wanyama, Dejan Lovren, Sadio Mane, Morgan Schneiderlin, Nathaniel Clyne and Virgil van Dijk brought in around £215 million within four season to showcase their recruitment expertise. Luke Shaw, Adam Lallana and Callum Chambers were sold for a further £85 million and cemented the academy’s prestige derived from producing Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain a generation earlier.
“Is there a route in? Yes, but the funding gap is a reality so you need to approach it in a different way.
“We took advantage of the unconscious bias that is in scouting by investing in Sportscode and hiring our own analysts using our own algorithms. We bought licences for every league so we had all this data coming in and created a bespoke server to store it all and a cinema to show it on, which allowed us to interrogate quickly.”
Southampton had coped with the churn by sourcing Dusan Tadic, Oriel Romeu, Graziano Pelle and Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg as replacements and promoting James Ward-Prowse from within, but those increased funds led to far less success shopping at the next price tier.
Since 2016-17, the year the drop-off in their level began, Southampton spent £15 million or more on a player 14 times with only Hojbjerg considered a success. Sofiane Boufal, Guido Carrillo, Mario Lemina, Wesley Hoedt and Danny Ings were all bought and either sold or freed at a combined loss of nearly £88 million. After five consecutive seasons in the bottom half, they will be a Championship side next season.
“It was about succession and Toby Alderweireld replaced Van Dijk, Graziano Pelle replaced Ricky Lambert, Dusan Tadic replaced Lallana. They were never going to play together. We had to accept they were going to go once we had exposed them. You can’t say, ‘Ah another one is gone’, you’ve just got to keep doing it.
“After Pochettino we realised we had to start scouting coaches so we had a succession plan but that is more difficult and it becomes hard when you don’t have stability.”
It is not just the players or managers they come for. Reed hired three heads of recruitment in Dave Burke, Paul Mitchell and Ross Wilson but they all moved on between 2012 and 2019. Martyn Glover then took over but he joined Leicester last year and his replacement Joe Shields only spent three months at the club before jumping ship to Chelsea. Now, Tom Stockwell, the brains behind the black box, is joining Nottingham Forest and data scientist Alex Kleyn is going to Manchester United.
David Reddin had worked with the British & Irish Lions, England Rugby, British Olympics and the FA on performance and strategy. He founded Pitch 32, a company which provides football club investors with long-term advice across all areas, and is also chief football officer at third-tier Spanish club CD Castellon where the ambition is to disrupt the league system and reach La Liga inside six seasons.
“Clubs need to define what they can do better or differently to their peers to change their odds of performance. And ideally build protective moats to prevent others overcoming it,” says Reddin.
“City have a moat around global clubs and therefore talent. No other group will touch that for years, if at all. Brighton and maybe Brentford have a moat around data and insight for recruitment and performance. It’s hard to replicate that as both clubs benefit from the expertise and skill of their owners’ related gambling businesses with hundreds of employees, which is not something a club can do alone.
“Interestingly, perhaps if the Super League is truly dead and Financial Fair Play becomes more of a reality, then opportunities for disrupters with a definitive external advantage become bigger. I still believe most clubs miss a lot of disruptive opportunities as football doesn’t yet embrace many practices which are standard elsewhere.”
For Leicester, the story of decline has been sharper but also brought on by a budget that was growing out of control.
They had their own steady stream of transfer revenue with N’Golo Kante, Danny Drinkwater, Riyad Mahrez, Harry Maguire and Ben Chilwell all contributing to an annual banker that totalled more than £250 million. It funded most of their subsequent re-investment but then COVID-19 came along and killed their revenue streams, an impact the top clubs were better equipped to deal with.
Leicester chased the top six but club officials knew it was a moving target and the model of selling a player every year stopped in 2020-21 even though they spent significantly. Keeping hold of assets would have been been justified had they made the Champions League but when Brendan Rodgers’ side blew fourth place down the home stretch in both the 2019-20 and 2020-21 seasons, before missing out on Europe by four points last season, that absent revenue took its toll.
Leicester’s wages-to-income ratio went well past UEFA’s 70 per cent red line, which saw Rodgers’ request for upgrades last summer met with the reality that they couldn’t buy before they sold.
Still, much like Villa are pouring resources into their academy in an attempt to produce more players like Jack Grealish (whose move to Manchester City has ensured Villa still have room to spend heavily this summer), Leicester had commenced building work to fit 8,000 new seats in their stadium and build a sprawling complex in the surrounding area to grow new revenue streams.
They are still pressing ahead with it but it is now the turn of Villa and Brighton to have their go at finding a way to disrupt the top six.
Post by: Dave on May 26, 2023, 07:04:08 PM
I have absolutely zero excitement about this. Yes it’s progress, but it could well be at the detriment of our next season. Perhaps I’m tainted from the O’Neill days of surrender “to concentrate on the league”. But I can’t see the real benefits unless we play the second stringers. I’d rather we finished in the top 6 next season and/or win a domestic trophy. This just seems like a whole lot of extra hoops to jump through to get the Europa.
If we finish in the top six, will that be exciting or something that there's no point being happy about because it'll just be a distraction the following season?
As PWS is fond of saying, complaining about qualifying for Europe because it might distract us from qualifying for Europe the following season seems a little masochistic.
Post by: OCD on May 26, 2023, 07:06:23 PM
My favourite bit.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 26, 2023, 10:27:02 PM
And so it starts.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 27, 2023, 01:45:24 AM
Newcastle apparently about to sign £25m a year shirt sponsorship deal with Sela, an events company backed by the Saudi PIF which owns, errr, Newcastle United.
And so it starts.
Why isn't it a rule that sponsors can't have any links to the ownership? It seems pretty obvious. Or is there one and there is some sneaky loop hole or some shit?
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 27, 2023, 07:28:28 AM
Yeah, absolutely. As has been gone over before, over the past 100 years our trophy cabinet has been quite bare really. Looking purely in terms of trophies, you can pretty much split it in to three short bursts:We've done fuck all of note in the league for over a decade, and have spent most of it being very shit, we're not really in a position to think the Conference is below us.
The odd shiny moment aside, we've done fuck all for the majority of the past 40 years. We are a big club, we are bigger club in our own eyes than understood or appreciated by most of the football watching population. Getting back into Europe for next season would be a magnificent achievement. We can dream of loftier ambitions after we take the first step back to national and continental relevance.
- (Big gap from 1921 onwards)
- FA Cup (1957) and League Cup (1961*)
- League Cup (1975), League Cup (1977), League (1981), European Cup (1982)
- League Cup (1994), League Cup (1996)
- (Big gap in the 21st century)
I mean, whilst there's definitely clubs that have worse records than us ... it's not setting the world alight either.
I'd be happy if we started winning trophies, regardless of what they are
- 2024 Conference League and League Cup
- 2025 Europa League and FA Cup
- 2026 Premier League
- 2027 Champions League, League Cup and FA Cup (again)
Why aren't we doing the quadruple in 2027? Emery out.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 27, 2023, 07:33:11 AM
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 27, 2023, 08:58:41 AM
Re the Athletic article, it emphasises what a challenge it is to get into the European places given the massive financial disadvantage we have compared to those teams who've been doing it for years. Another reason why we should grab any opportunity we get. Everyone assumes we will be better next season and I hope we are, but it ain't necessarily so.
It's a good article. It not only emphasises what a challenge it is to get to the top six, but also how difficult it is to stay there when you do.
I was listening to a discussion on the radio the other day where someone was saying how far ahead Brighton's scouting and player identification system is compared to other clubs. Listening to it, I couldn't help but think of the film "Moneyball" and how in simple terms (though I'm sure it was a bit more complex in real life) after having their best players continually picked off by wealthier teams, the Oakland A's devised a player identification process which enabled them to compete on a budget they could afford.
As the article explains though, that model can be fraught with danger though as it only needs one cycle of losing your best players and recruiting poorly to replace them and you slip away. That's the challenge we are facing over the next few years.
Post by: AV82EC on May 27, 2023, 09:12:32 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on May 27, 2023, 09:35:36 AM
I’d disagree we’re in the same position as a Brighton Brentford or Southampton. We have the advantage of the extra level of support that being in a large metro area and surrounding hinterland brings. Our turnover is already overshadowing the likes of these clubs as we can haul in our 40k soon to be 50k fans and leverage that to our benefit. The difficulty is broaching the gap to Spurs/Arsenal from a base of £200+m to £350-£400m. As West Ham have found despite all the advantages of being in that there London and having a “free” 60k stadium it doesn’t just happen without both football operations expertise (Moyes really?) and huge commercial deals.
I agree with that and we potentially have greater spending power than any of those other clubs as well. West Ham are a small fish in the big London pond and are a very mediocre club that benefit from a media love-in.
We, on the other hand, are comfortably the biggest club between London and Manchester and have a lot more potential if we can get things right.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 27, 2023, 09:56:45 AM
The depressing part obvs that fifteen years later we haven’t fulfilled it
I’ll try to find the article.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 27, 2023, 10:06:00 AM
Of course this plays into the hands that lot regarding them being the only real team in Brum which is petty and childish.
But our potential catchment area is huge.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 27, 2023, 10:13:49 AM
I have said for years we have done nothing to recognise the level of support we traditionally had from the shires surrounding Birmingham.
Of course this plays into the hands that lot regarding them being the only real team in Brum which is petty and childish.
No it doesn't - we've got massive support both in the city AND in the shires.
Post by: Ads on May 27, 2023, 10:21:30 AM
I have absolutely zero excitement about this. Yes it’s progress, but it could well be at the detriment of our next season. Perhaps I’m tainted from the O’Neill days of surrender “to concentrate on the league”. But I can’t see the real benefits unless we play the second stringers. I’d rather we finished in the top 6 next season and/or win a domestic trophy. This just seems like a whole lot of extra hoops to jump through to get the Europa.
Following Villa in Europe is absolutely brilliant and worthy of being excited about. Small followings, big followings, random places, it's always a great craic. It's worthy of being excited about after 13 years and I think we'll have a crack at winning it.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 27, 2023, 12:51:09 PM
I'm tired of being also-rans. West Ham are in a European final, imagine how that feels for them. I want some of that back.
We're a club who has finished top half once in a decade. Over a decade.
Not wanting to play in Europe in case it stops us qualifying for Europe next season seems nuts.
Also, don't forget, we have a manager who practically hoovers up European cup silverware.
Post by: Clampy on May 27, 2023, 01:34:11 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 27, 2023, 02:10:50 PM
I thinks it's more that people dont want us to struggle rather than not get into Europe. It was only a few months ago West Ham bought Ings off us because it was looking a bit iffy for them, although mind you they have Davd Sullivan and we have our Richy Rich pair. That said, I'll be disappointed if we don't do it tomorrrow.
Yeah I sort of understand, but it’s incredibly self defeating. You’ve got to trust the club to get it right, they might not, but with our manager we have every chance. I’ll be gutted if we don’t make it, it’s an important step in our progression, and it’s earlier than we could have hoped.
Post by: trinityoap on May 27, 2023, 02:23:46 PM
Post by: Clampy on May 27, 2023, 02:33:53 PM
Does anyone not want us to win the FA Cup in case we are disappointed if we don't win it the following year?
Hardly the same thing really.
Post by: KevinGage on May 27, 2023, 02:46:44 PM
Staggered anyone thinks this would be a bad thing.
I'm tired of being also-rans. West Ham are in a European final, imagine how that feels for them. I want some of that back.
We're a club who has finished top half once in a decade. Over a decade.
Not wanting to play in Europe in case it stops us qualifying for Europe next season seems nuts.
Also, don't forget, we have a manager who practically hoovers up European cup silverware.
Added to that it helps with the sales pitch to prospective new players.
Not that the Europa Conference League on its own is a massive draw. But: Successful, highly rated manager, committed wealthy owners and back in European football for the first time in 13 years. It all feeds into the narrative of a club on the up.
Which was prob more difficult to argue last summer when we finished 14th.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 27, 2023, 04:22:16 PM
Re the Athletic article, it emphasises what a challenge it is to get into the European places given the massive financial disadvantage we have compared to those teams who've been doing it for years. Another reason why we should grab any opportunity we get. Everyone assumes we will be better next season and I hope we are, but it ain't necessarily so.
Emery made a great point the other day and it's obviously the plan for the future, "to get a strong position in the top seven and to STAY with them". That last part really registers with me, I've been more interested in the points we get rather than the position as the points will take care of the latter, plus we are in touching distance with those above us.
Tomorrow we could end the season on 61 points, worst case 12 points behind 4th place, 14 behind third which is some achievement given what went on up until November. West Ham finished 7th last season but were 15 and 18 points behind 4th and 3rd. We've got to stay within the top pack which might sound obvious but it's the real challenge. Everything else will take care of itself including Europe and trophies.
Post by: Paul.S on May 27, 2023, 04:40:35 PM
I've never been to a European away game so would love the chance. I expect it would be virtually impossible to get tickets for non season ticket holders though.
Just go because you never know what you can pick up while there.
Post by: not3bad on May 27, 2023, 04:41:54 PM
I have absolutely zero excitement about this. Yes it’s progress, but it could well be at the detriment of our next season. Perhaps I’m tainted from the O’Neill days of surrender “to concentrate on the league”. But I can’t see the real benefits unless we play the second stringers. I’d rather we finished in the top 6 next season and/or win a domestic trophy. This just seems like a whole lot of extra hoops to jump through to get the Europa.
Following Villa in Europe is absolutely brilliant and worthy of being excited about. Small followings, big followings, random places, it's always a great craic. It's worthy of being excited about after 13 years and I think we'll have a crack at winning it.
If West Ham are holding the trophy at the end of the final I dare anyone to say "Yeah I couldn't be arsed to have any of that."
Post by: Goldenballs on May 27, 2023, 04:48:47 PM
I've never been to a European away game so would love the chance. I expect it would be virtually impossible to get tickets for non season ticket holders though.
Just go because you never know what you can pick up while there.
I've picked up a few things in Europen cities in the past...
Post by: john e on May 27, 2023, 05:11:14 PM
I have absolutely zero excitement about this. Yes it’s progress, but it could well be at the detriment of our next season. Perhaps I’m tainted from the O’Neill days of surrender “to concentrate on the league”. But I can’t see the real benefits unless we play the second stringers. I’d rather we finished in the top 6 next season and/or win a domestic trophy. This just seems like a whole lot of extra hoops to jump through to get the Europa.
I can see your points and there is no right or wrong way to feel we all want Villa to be successful long-term
But I have to say I feel exactly the opposite way
I see it as a massive game and I’m as nervous as anything about it, European football in any capacity for the first time in 13 years will be the cherry on top of an unbelievable season
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 27, 2023, 05:43:41 PM
I've never been to a European away game so would love the chance. I expect it would be virtually impossible to get tickets for non season ticket holders though.
Just go because you never know what you can pick up while there.
I've picked up a few things in Europen cities in the past...
Fridge magnets?
Post by: Dave on May 27, 2023, 05:51:11 PM
I thinks it's more that people dont want us to struggle rather than not get into Europe. It was only a few months ago West Ham bought Ings off us because it was looking a bit iffy for them, although mind you they have Davd Sullivan and we have our Richy Rich pair. That said, I'll be disappointed if we don't do it tomorrrow.
Why have these people decided that West Ham were poor this season because of their European games?
Last season in Europe when nobody expected them to qualify (so the actual parallel to our potential qualification) they got to the semi finals and still had a really decent domestic season.
Were any of their fans upset about what impact European football had on them last year?
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 27, 2023, 06:27:22 PM
I thinks it's more that people dont want us to struggle rather than not get into Europe. It was only a few months ago West Ham bought Ings off us because it was looking a bit iffy for them, although mind you they have Davd Sullivan and we have our Richy Rich pair. That said, I'll be disappointed if we don't do it tomorrrow.
Why have these people decided that West Ham were poor this season because of their European games?
Last season in Europe when nobody expected them to qualify (so the actual parallel to our potential qualification) they got to the semi finals and still had a really decent domestic season.
Were any of their fans upset about what impact European football had on them last year?
Exactly. West have have been bad because they let David Moyes spend big money on a striker. The man's a genius when it comes to spotting gnarly centre-halves from the Championship, but only a fool would let him buy a striker. Let alone an Italian striker. Dickheads.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 27, 2023, 06:48:47 PM
I have absolutely zero excitement about this. Yes it’s progress, but it could well be at the detriment of our next season. Perhaps I’m tainted from the O’Neill days of surrender “to concentrate on the league”. But I can’t see the real benefits unless we play the second stringers. I’d rather we finished in the top 6 next season and/or win a domestic trophy. This just seems like a whole lot of extra hoops to jump through to get the Europa.
I can see your points and there is no right or wrong way to feel we all want Villa to be successful long-term
But I have to say I feel exactly the opposite way
I see it as a massive game and I’m as nervous as anything about it, European football in any capacity for the first time in 13 years will be the cherry on top of an unbelievable season
What I’d say is just look at Roma. It’s really helped them.
Post by: Nev on May 27, 2023, 06:56:11 PM
Always aim for the best. If you come up short then so be it but to think you didn't try is unforgivable.
That's what MON did in Moscow and it killed us. And him.
Post by: rooboy316 on May 28, 2023, 04:50:18 AM
I've never been to a European away game so would love the chance. I expect it would be virtually impossible to get tickets for non season ticket holders though.
Just go because you never know what you can pick up while there.
I've picked up a few things in Europen cities in the past...
Is that why they’re golden now?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2023, 08:35:41 AM
I'm definitely excited by the prospect of European football coming back to Villa Park just the thought of Aston Villa going to some far off places in Europe is well worth it.
Exactly.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on May 28, 2023, 09:31:33 AM
Brighton have earned their plaudits, but Villa will make a significant statement today, and I'm getting more excited by the minute for a return to European football.
Post by: Paul.S on May 28, 2023, 10:07:12 AM
I've never been to a European away game so would love the chance. I expect it would be virtually impossible to get tickets for non season ticket holders though.
Just go because you never know what you can pick up while there.
I've picked up a few things in Europen cities in the past...
There’s some fantastic bargains on offer if you know where to go.
Post by: eamonn on May 28, 2023, 10:19:50 AM
I have absolutely zero excitement about this. Yes it’s progress, but it could well be at the detriment of our next season. Perhaps I’m tainted from the O’Neill days of surrender “to concentrate on the league”. But I can’t see the real benefits unless we play the second stringers. I’d rather we finished in the top 6 next season and/or win a domestic trophy. This just seems like a whole lot of extra hoops to jump through to get the Europa.
Following Villa in Europe is absolutely brilliant and worthy of being excited about. Small followings, big followings, random places, it's always a great craic. It's worthy of being excited about after 13 years and I think we'll have a crack at winning it.
Point of order - craic isn't a countable noun.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 28, 2023, 10:32:17 AM
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Post by: Goldenballs on May 28, 2023, 10:58:31 AM
I've never been to a European away game so would love the chance. I expect it would be virtually impossible to get tickets for non season ticket holders though.
Just go because you never know what you can pick up while there.
I've picked up a few things in Europen cities in the past...
Is that why they’re golden now?
Swollenballs
Post by: wince on May 28, 2023, 01:42:05 PM
Remember the story from the Simpsons when Homer wanted to see Mr T. He said he would go later and when he got to the mall Mr T had gone….
We have come a long way this season and we have a villa to make us happy. Imagine back in 2016 if we were told we would be 8th and in with a chance of Europe. Only once has putting it off til next season helped us, that was when we didn’t go up in 2018 when shoe express was in charge.
So come on Villa, do us proud and if it doesn’t happen, we’ll next season is gonna be epic
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 28, 2023, 02:42:27 PM
Do the shit Europa teams go into it at a later date?
Anyway Im still excited .
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 28, 2023, 02:45:57 PM
Not knowing much about this conference competition , why was it set up and why does 7th place not just go into the europa cup. Ive just not followed the format , do the winners go into Europa ?
Do the shit Europa teams go into it at a later date?
Anyway Im still excited .
The point is for the smaller European clubs not to get lost (and battered) in the bigger European competitions. It gives a more realistic goal to achieve for the Estonian champions. It's not really made for prem teams but I will be more than happy to be involved, we should be able to win it.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 28, 2023, 02:46:06 PM
There's no way in my mind this is bigger than 2019 play offs or last day at West Ham in 2020.
Lose on that day and we don't just lose Grealish but Mings and probably McGinn and Martinez would never have joined a championship club so we'd have had to rebuild back in championship with a completely different group and who knows how long it would've taken to get promoted again.
If we miss out today it's disappointing but need to look at the last three months and see we're a proper top level unit now back to front so no reason why we can't start next season very well and see where that takes us.
In 12 months time it wouldn't shock me if we've already qualified for europe by final game.
Post by: eamonn on May 28, 2023, 03:07:24 PM
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2023, 03:45:28 PM
Not knowing much about this conference competition , why was it set up and why does 7th place not just go into the europa cup. Ive just not followed the format , do the winners go into Europa ?
Do the shit Europa teams go into it at a later date?
Anyway Im still excited .
The point is for the smaller European clubs not to get lost (and battered) in the bigger European competitions. It gives a more realistic goal to achieve for the Estonian champions. It's not really made for prem teams but I will be more than happy to be involved, we should be able to win it.
Yep it helps spread the earnings a bit. The money smaller teams can earn is pretty significant.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 28, 2023, 03:46:55 PM
Yeah, pods and "content providers" need to big-up the latest event hence a bit of hyperbolix about today's game.
Not that surprising when their name includes Max and Stokes.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 28, 2023, 04:03:47 PM
Vitoria Guimarães have qualified for the Conference League finishing 6th (1 point behind 5th) so will go into the early round of the competition, first game scheduled for July 27th. If they get through and we qualify, can we play them having the same owners?
We only own 45% of them, suspect that'll make a difference.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 28, 2023, 04:10:32 PM
Vitoria Guimarães have qualified for the Conference League finishing 6th (1 point behind 5th) so will go into the early round of the competition, first game scheduled for July 27th. If they get through and we qualify, can we play them having the same owners?
We only own 45% of them, suspect that'll make a difference.
Gotcha! An away day there would be ace. I love Guimarães, one of my favourite places in Portugal. I'd seriously consider moving up there in a few years time.
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Look back to Gerard’s rule and now where we are is totally unthinkable. What a season.
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Hold on to your passports!
Never mind Europe, let's hit Seattle!
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WHAT A RUN! WHAT A MANAGER!!
Post by: KevinGage on May 28, 2023, 06:54:51 PM
Post by: Smirker on May 28, 2023, 06:56:17 PM
Smirker, I apologise. I doubted you. Won't happen again. Can I be the first to claim that we will be inserted as favourites to win the Europa Conference?
WHAT A RUN! WHAT A MANAGER!!
No worries mate, today is a day of celebration.
Just remember to VOTE SMIRKER!
8)
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2023, 06:56:31 PM
Qualifying round begins on July 13. Hmm.
Nah we’re in play off round, which is August.
Post by: eamonn on May 28, 2023, 06:57:39 PM
Must mean we get a bye to the next round of the League Cup.
Post by: Steve67 on May 28, 2023, 06:58:02 PM
Smirker, I apologise. I doubted you. Won't happen again. Can I be the first to claim that we will be inserted as favourites to win the Europa Conference?
WHAT A RUN! WHAT A MANAGER!!
No worries mate, today is a day of celebration.
Just remember to VOTE SMIRKER!
8)
I doth my cap to you and will indeed vote Smirker!
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2023, 06:58:44 PM
Post by: Steve67 on May 28, 2023, 07:00:44 PM
We go into the last round before the group stages. There's 3 rounds before we enter.
What sort of date is that Mr Shin?
Post by: KevinGage on May 28, 2023, 07:01:57 PM
Qualifying round begins on July 13. Hmm.
Nah we’re in play off round, which is August.
Better.
Post by: Steve67 on May 28, 2023, 07:03:23 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on May 28, 2023, 07:05:19 PM
Post by: eamonn on May 28, 2023, 07:08:10 PM
We go into the last round before the group stages. There's 3 rounds before we enter.
What sort of date is that Mr Shin?
Last week of August.
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on May 28, 2023, 07:17:27 PM
Post by: Garyth on May 28, 2023, 07:18:22 PM
Post by: KevinGage on May 28, 2023, 07:18:49 PM
We're all going to Progrès Niederkorn.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 28, 2023, 07:43:53 PM
Post by: four fornicholl on May 28, 2023, 07:46:12 PM
Post by: Keeno on May 28, 2023, 08:00:53 PM
We’ve blown it. Like we always do.
Lol
I’m sorry. I have to.
Post by: nigel on May 28, 2023, 08:22:42 PM
Anyone have any more info than what's on here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2%80%9324_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League
Does that mean we’ll play the team who finish 5th in the French league?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 28, 2023, 08:26:28 PM
Or you may fancy FC Arsenal Tivat of Montenegro, Paide Linnameeskond of Estonia, or Differdange 03 of Luxembourg. Personally I'd like Haverfordwest County, don't need a passport and we get a big allocation when they switch it to Swansea.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 28, 2023, 08:27:02 PM
Anyone have any more info than what's on here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2%80%9324_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League
Does that mean we’ll play the team who finish 5th in the French league?
No, they'll be seeded like us.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2023, 08:27:25 PM
Anyone have any more info than what's on here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2%80%9324_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League
Does that mean we’ll play the team who finish 5th in the French league?
No, that's just the teams that will enter that round.
Post by: nigel on May 28, 2023, 08:28:15 PM
Anyone have any more info than what's on here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2%80%9324_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League
Does that mean we’ll play the team who finish 5th in the French league?
No, that's just the teams that will enter that round.
Ahh, cheers, mate
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2023, 08:28:42 PM
Post by: KevinGage on May 28, 2023, 08:34:03 PM
In the qualifying rounds representing Gibralter there will be Bruno's Magpies. The club was formed in 2013, initially as a group of friends who drank at the Bruno's Bar & Restaurant in Gibralter. Qualified as winners of this seasons Rock Cup. Dean Holdsworth is technical director of development and they have a guy called Jack Storer who played 4 times for SHA.
Or you may fancy FC Arsenal Tivat of Montenegro, Paide Linnameeskond of Estonia, or Differdange 03 of Luxembourg. Personally I'd like Haverfordwest County, don't need a passport and we get a big allocation when they switch it to Swansea.
Tivat in Macedonia could be nice enough, depending on what time of the year we'd face them. Off the Adriatic Coast and decent temperatures. Hotels are a bit jaded, mind.
Post by: AV82EC on May 28, 2023, 08:35:57 PM
Anyone have any more info than what's on here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2%80%9324_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League
Does that mean we’ll play the team who finish 5th in the French league?
No
Post by: darren woolley on May 28, 2023, 08:44:45 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 28, 2023, 08:45:08 PM
Anyone have any more info than what's on here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2%80%9324_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League
Wouldn't mind one of Derry City, Dundalk, St. Pat's, Hearts or Aberdeen as I don't recall us playing an Irish or Scottish team in Europe.
Post by: rougegorge on May 28, 2023, 08:48:07 PM
I hope we give it our all like West Ham have done.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 28, 2023, 09:03:11 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2023, 09:08:49 PM
It's a great achievement given where we were and how much ground we made up.
I hope we give it our all like West Ham have done.
I don’t think you need to worry about that. Unai likes to win in Europe.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 28, 2023, 09:38:49 PM
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Post by: rob_bridge on May 28, 2023, 09:44:20 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 28, 2023, 09:48:32 PM
Any idea when our first game is likely to be - date wise?
We'll be in playoff round 24/31 August. Draw is 7th August
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 28, 2023, 09:48:59 PM
Post by: Lucky Eddie on May 28, 2023, 09:52:10 PM
Anyone have any more info than what's on here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2%80%9324_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League
Wouldn't mind one of Derry City, Dundalk, St. Pat's, Hearts or Aberdeen as I don't recall us playing an Irish or Scottish team in Europe.
Fuck that I wanna go somewhere hot
Post by: rob_bridge on May 28, 2023, 09:52:47 PM
Any idea when our first game is likely to be - date wise?
We'll be in playoff round 24/31 August. Draw is 7th August
Cheers - look forward to it.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 28, 2023, 09:55:15 PM
Post by: Lsvilla on May 28, 2023, 10:08:39 PM
Me too ! Something like Rennes last summer would do. Also I recall it was quite warm in Rotterdam back in the day. So not just for the fans it obviously suits the team as well.Anyone have any more info than what's on here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2%80%9324_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League
Wouldn't mind one of Derry City, Dundalk, St. Pat's, Hearts or Aberdeen as I don't recall us playing an Irish or Scottish team in Europe.
Fuck that I wanna go somewhere hot
Post by: IFWaters on May 28, 2023, 10:10:38 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 28, 2023, 10:11:36 PM
Post by: darren woolley on May 28, 2023, 10:20:22 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2023, 10:23:45 PM
Just a point of caution. We have to get through a 2 legged qualifier at the end of August before we get to the group stage and the real fun. I can't be alone in thinking we would go far in this year's FA Cup and look what happened.
Well of course, but it’s pretty clear Unai knows what he’s doing. The Stevenage game was horrible, but we still should have won comfortably. Across 2 legs I fancy us against most teams.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 28, 2023, 10:24:20 PM
I may be getting ahead of myself but bugger it…the final venue only holds 32k!
Yes, we are aiming to get to
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Post by: sendô WHU on May 28, 2023, 11:24:47 PM
Post by: Steve67 on May 28, 2023, 11:30:48 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 28, 2023, 11:32:10 PM
Post by: LeeB on May 28, 2023, 11:32:38 PM
I'm over the moon that we have got European football back at Villa Park.
You and me both brother
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 28, 2023, 11:38:47 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2023, 11:40:02 PM
Post by: Rory on May 28, 2023, 11:42:11 PM
I hope West Ham get smashed in the final. Same as I do every English club that isn't us.
I agree.
No truck with Sendo, though - nice to hear from you, mate.
Post by: algy on May 29, 2023, 12:28:16 AM
Yeah, I agree. To me it's really out to sell itself to teams from places like the Irish league, where there's a semi-decent chance of them getting to the group stage. Or even Welsh teams, I think it's basically if you qualify for the Champions League then win 2 of 4 qualifying games you end up in the Conference... so for someone like TNS, get a beatable side in the first round (e.g one from Faroe Islands or somewhere), then you really only have to get one win against a biggish side, e.g. one of Rangers' occasional brainfarts to be playing European football in to December.Not knowing much about this conference competition , why was it set up and why does 7th place not just go into the europa cup. Ive just not followed the format , do the winners go into Europa ?
Do the shit Europa teams go into it at a later date?
Anyway Im still excited .
The point is for the smaller European clubs not to get lost (and battered) in the bigger European competitions. It gives a more realistic goal to achieve for the Estonian champions. It's not really made for prem teams but I will be more than happy to be involved, we should be able to win it.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 29, 2023, 01:12:50 AM
I hope West Ham get smashed in the final. Same as I do every English club that isn't us.
Anyone out of the scab 6 I genuinely don't mind
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 29, 2023, 01:13:16 AM
Post by: Rory on May 29, 2023, 01:32:02 AM
I hope West Ham get smashed in the final. Same as I do every English club that isn't us.
Anyone out of the scab 6 I genuinely don't mind
Not for me. Bollocks to any English club that isn't us.
Having said that, I wished very, very strongly that Small Heath hadn't won the League Cup, but as soon as I found out they had, I messaged every one of my nose mates to congratulate them and tell them to enjoy.
Apart from fans of the plastic six, and maybe Newcastle, I'd find it hard to begrudge a real football fan that joy. So I hope West Ham lose, but I hope Sendo enjoys the final and, if they win, I hope he celebrates like there's no tomorrow.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 29, 2023, 01:33:39 AM
I hope West Ham get smashed in the final. Same as I do every English club that isn't us.
Anyone out of the scab 6 I genuinely don't mind
Them getting in to the Europa League means they can attract better players, ones that we may also be in for and will also make them better next season. So no, I don't want them to win. I know we might not see them as a rival next season and I don't think they will be (especially losing Rice) but a player weighing up their options will not think the same. "You're in London, you're in Europa, how much a week?! Go on then."
Post by: TonyD on May 29, 2023, 01:35:55 AM
How many of us will be at the first away game?
I’m going. Tickets or not.
Could be c10k.
Post by: algy on May 29, 2023, 06:08:32 AM
Yeah. The odd thing is, I remember kind-of supporting whichever English (and Scottish) sides were in Europe, although probably the last time I wanted one of the scab 6 to do anything other than be humiliated was probably Manc Utd in 1998.I hope West Ham get smashed in the final. Same as I do every English club that isn't us.
Anyone out of the scab 6 I genuinely don't mind
That feeling isn't transferred to Wham, though. Hope they win.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 29, 2023, 06:15:00 AM
Yeah. The odd thing is, I remember kind-of supporting whichever English (and Scottish) sides were in Europe, although probably the last time I wanted one of the scab 6 to do anything other than be humiliated was probably Manc Utd in 1998.I hope West Ham get smashed in the final. Same as I do every English club that isn't us.
Nah hope they lose. Still hold a grudge after watching us lose in the GT1 era against a shire West Ham team managed by shilly-shally Bonds. Awful fans spitting through the cage at us and very hostile exit. Fuck em.
Anyone out of the scab 6 I genuinely don't mind
That feeling isn't transferred to Wham, though. Hope they win.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 29, 2023, 07:22:49 AM
What is the format of the competition?
Cheers.
Post by: Bad English on May 29, 2023, 07:29:51 AM
If they enter the group stage, Aston Villa should be placed in the Pot 2."
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Source, tweet nicked from here: https://twitter.com/UefaRankings/status/1662883080380530688?t=NLX2STl4OOHochORYstpNQ&s=19
Is this any good? Obviously not the official draw yet but gives an idea..
Post by: PeterWithe on May 29, 2023, 07:34:31 AM
Post by: Richard E on May 29, 2023, 07:35:56 AM
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on May 29, 2023, 07:37:11 AM
But I cannot understand the Europa Conference league. I’m sure I’ll understand it in the annuls of time and I’m glad we’re in it. But at the moment, it seems like it’s a whole world of surrealist confusion to me!
Post by: PeterWithe on May 29, 2023, 07:37:15 AM
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2023, 07:38:46 AM
Post by: Richard E on May 29, 2023, 07:39:00 AM
Am I being thick here, why are some teams in the top list but then don’t appear in a ‘pot’?
Because they’re projected not to get through the qualifying round.
Post by: Bad English on May 29, 2023, 07:44:20 AM
The 2023/24 Europa League final will be held in Dublin in May 2024That's why McGinn went. Top dedication to pre-match prep.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 29, 2023, 07:46:25 AM
Also, some countries have Playoffs to get into it, like The Netherlands.
We could do without Sevilla finishing in the Conference League spot. If they do then we'd be unseeded if we got through to the Group Stage.
Post by: Bad English on May 29, 2023, 07:46:30 AM
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on May 29, 2023, 07:47:27 AM
Still quite a few countries with a set of fixtures to go, like Italy and Spain.
Also, some countries have Playoffs to get into it, like The Netherlands.
We could do without Sevilla finishing in the Conference League spot. If they do then we'd be unseeded if we got through to the Group Stage.
Daft question time (and I’m going to have plenty about this competition!) but what are the advantages in this competition of being seeded v unseeded?
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 29, 2023, 07:50:13 AM
Post by: algy on May 29, 2023, 07:51:16 AM
"After securing 7th place, Aston Villa confirmed their spot in the Play-off round of the UECL and they are currently projected to enter the group stage.Unlikely as it is ... YSN/TNS, please. They'll change the ground to Wrexham and it'll be mental.
If they enter the group stage, Aston Villa should be placed in the Pot 2."
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Source, tweet nicked from here: https://twitter.com/UefaRankings/status/1662883080380530688?t=NLX2STl4OOHochORYstpNQ&s=19
Is this any good? Obviously not the official draw yet but gives an idea..
Post by: wince on May 29, 2023, 07:56:42 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 29, 2023, 07:58:16 AM
Post by: Richard E on May 29, 2023, 07:59:15 AM
That play off round has some potentially tricky ties.
Especially for the poor buggers who get drawn against Aston Villa.
Post by: Dave P on May 29, 2023, 08:00:27 AM
That play off round has some potentially tricky ties.
We’ve all spotted Rapid Vienna haven't we??
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 29, 2023, 08:12:55 AM
That play off round has some potentially tricky ties.
We’ve all spotted Rapid Vienna haven't we??
Third time's the charm
Post by: AV82EC on May 29, 2023, 08:16:12 AM
That play off round has some potentially tricky ties.
We’ve all spotted Rapid Vienna haven't we??
Third time's the charm
They can stick there fucking “nightmare returns” up their arse.
Post by: Risso on May 29, 2023, 08:17:18 AM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 29, 2023, 08:18:04 AM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2%80%9324_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League
This will be getting a lot of viewing over the coming weeks and months. In truth, we won't know what to expect until our draw on 7th August and even then it will probably be an either/or draw because the 3rd qualifying round won't have been completed.
Post by: AV82EC on May 29, 2023, 08:18:41 AM
Post by: cdward on May 29, 2023, 08:32:03 AM
I expect a similar diverse mix, should we progress past the qualifying round. (I’m taking nothing for granted, remember Stevenage)
Viborg - Denmark
FCSB – Romania
Silkeborg – Denmark
Anderlecht – Belgium
AEK Larnaca – Cyprus
Gent – Belgium
AZ Alkmaar – Holland
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 29, 2023, 08:53:48 AM
That play off round has some potentially tricky ties.
I was thinking that, I was expecting Dynamo Riga girls under 12’s not bloody Juventus and Fenerbace!!
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 29, 2023, 08:55:48 AM
Post by: Clampy on May 29, 2023, 08:58:01 AM
The final is in Dublin. Imagine it?
Thats the Europa League final I think.
Post by: Risso on May 29, 2023, 08:58:17 AM
The final is in Dublin. Imagine it?
Athens isn't it?
Post by: Ads on May 29, 2023, 08:58:21 AM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 29, 2023, 08:59:04 AM
The final is in Dublin. Imagine it?
Of the Europa League.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 29, 2023, 09:00:45 AM
Athens is nice though
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 29, 2023, 09:01:53 AM
Post by: London Villan on May 29, 2023, 09:21:20 AM
Post by: Monty on May 29, 2023, 09:22:21 AM
Post by: Goldenballs on May 29, 2023, 09:26:22 AM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 29, 2023, 09:31:05 AM
I guess it depends how far we get, but assuming a decent way how many games are likely to be on Sunday's rather than Saturday's?
If we get to the group stage it will be 8 before Xmas
Post by: Flin5tone on May 29, 2023, 09:37:55 AM
We will need a '2nd team' almost to compete on all fronts. I think Coutinho will be very useful in the competition, if we can get him fit. Ashley Young should also be given a two year contract
Post by: Monty on May 29, 2023, 09:41:34 AM
We should take the competition very seriously , I'd say it's our best chance of getting Europa if the likes of Chelsea and Spurs pick up.
We will need a '2nd team' almost to compete on all fronts. I think Coutinho will be very useful in the competition, if we can get him fit. Ashley Young should also be given a two year contract
I wouldn't say it's our 'best chance' as the vagaries of knockout tournaments always introduce unfavourable probabilities. I get what you mean though - the English representative in the Conference League will always be among the favourites.
As for a '2nd team', again, I see what you mean, but I'd rather put it as 'competition in every position', rather than a first eleven with understudies.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 29, 2023, 10:04:20 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 29, 2023, 10:04:35 AM
The final is in Dublin. Imagine it?
Liverpool in a European final in Dublin, I'd rather not.
Post by: Axl Rose on May 29, 2023, 10:19:07 AM
The final is in Dublin. Imagine it?
Liverpool in a European final in Dublin, I'd rather not.
Oh, they'll be there, mate.
You just know it.
Post by: KevinGage on May 29, 2023, 10:30:23 AM
But the Europa League is mental. You'd need to play the same amount of games as half a league campaign to win it. Whereas with the Conference League there's six ties and then the final. Until they change the format in 24/25 and about five million teams enter.
Post by: Risso on May 29, 2023, 10:37:29 AM
If it was a choice between this and the old UEFA Cup I'd take the UEFA Cup all day long.
But the Europa League is mental. You'd need to play the same amount of games as half a league campaign to win it. Whereas with the Conference League there's six ties and then the final. Until they change the format in 24/25 and about five million teams enter.
The Conference final will be West Ham's 15th game in the competition, exactly the same as Roma in the Europa League final.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 29, 2023, 10:37:51 AM
If it was a choice between this and the old UEFA Cup I'd take the UEFA Cup all day long.
But the Europa League is mental. You'd need to play the same amount of games as half a league campaign to win it. Whereas with the Conference League there's six ties and then the final. Until they change the format in 24/25 and about five million teams enter.
There would be five knockout ties before the final (including the play-off round) plus the group stage so 17 games in total.
Post by: Legion on May 29, 2023, 10:42:59 AM
So exactly how does this work for us? A play-off to see if we get in to the group stage?
Post by: Monty on May 29, 2023, 10:46:46 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 29, 2023, 10:47:37 AM
Post by: Monty on May 29, 2023, 10:48:10 AM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 29, 2023, 10:48:18 AM
West Ham went straight into the group stage no?
They played Viborg from Denmark in the play off round
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 29, 2023, 10:51:49 AM
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This was the seeding pots this season. TBH some tough looking potential ties in there.
Post by: eamonn on May 29, 2023, 10:52:07 AM
Post by: trinityoap on May 29, 2023, 10:59:24 AM
Post by: exigo on May 29, 2023, 11:09:01 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on May 29, 2023, 11:24:26 AM
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 29, 2023, 11:25:51 AM
West Ham went straight into the group stage no?
They played Viborg from Denmark in the play off round
Won 6-1 on aggregate so it was very easy for them.
Fiorentina actually played FC Twente and only got through 2-1 on aggregate so I'd very much like to be seeded for play off round as I assume West Ham were.
Please tell me Rapid Vienna are nowhere to be seen in this competition.....
Post by: Dogtanian on May 29, 2023, 11:31:56 AM
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 29, 2023, 11:56:01 AM
I noticed Hajduk Split are in the competition. Seeing a Villa play them in their Poljud ground would be fantastic.
Plus it's one of those names (like Ujpest Dozsa) that evoke memories of bygone days when trips to Eastern Europe seemed an exotic adventiure.
Post by: Monty on May 29, 2023, 11:58:43 AM
Post by: eamonn on May 29, 2023, 12:01:29 PM
My brain hurts.
Like a warehouse.
Post by: Dogtanian on May 29, 2023, 12:06:06 PM
My brain hurts.
Like a warehouse.
;D Your taste is impeccable…
Post by: OCD on May 29, 2023, 12:08:00 PM
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This was the seeding pots this season. TBH some tough looking potential ties in there.
Always strange to see a team called Young Boys.
Post by: Richard E on May 29, 2023, 12:12:32 PM
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This was the seeding pots this season. TBH some tough looking potential ties in there.
Always strange to see a team called Young Boys.
Philip Schofield is a big fan.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2023, 01:16:56 PM
Quote
Aston Villa are back in Europe. The giant is waking up.
By Gregg Evans
The noise was unfathomable. The celebrations wild.
As a seventh-place finish secured qualification to the Europa Conference League play-off round and a return to competing on the continent for the first time in 13 years, Aston Villa’s owners Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens rejoiced.
On the pitch, they hugged the inspirational captain John McGinn, who led the team to a 2-1 win over Brighton & Hove Albion.
Unai Emery, the manager who made all this happen, raised his hands with a typically low-key but proud celebration. “I’ll have a champagne because it’s a champagne moment,” he laughed after.
Emi Martinez, meanwhile, dropped to the floor and counted his blessings. Diego Carlos piggybacked a topless Douglas Luiz, the player of the season and scorer of one of Villa’s goals alongside Ollie Watkins. Tyrone Mings remained as cool as a cucumber and said: “We didn’t let the fans down.”
Not a single player did, and that was appreciated in the stands as the supporters lapped it all up.
For the new generation, this felt like the next best thing to actually winning a trophy.
For those who witnessed much greater times, when Villa were the best team in the country just over 40 years ago and then the champions of Europe in 1982, they will hope this is the rebirth of a sleeping giant.
Finishing seventh is a wonderful achievement for a club that was concerned about relegation earlier this season. The extra prize money, worth around £1.5million per Premier League position, is also helpful, but still there is so much more room for growth.
Perhaps under the elite coach, Emery, this club can start dreaming about becoming elite again.
Villa are a force to be reckoned with now, no doubt. The way they finished the season shows that.
Seven home victories in a row and a total of 49 points from 25 games which included victories against Manchester United, Tottenham (twice) Chelsea, Brighton (twice) and a point against Liverpool at Anfield.
Such form over the course of the season would have seen Villa finish in the Champions League places. They have been that good since November.
And there aren’t many stadiums in England quite like Villa Park right now, either. Supporters were encouraged to turn up early to welcome the team bus and an email was sent out to members describing the day as ‘the last dance’.
Birmingham Airport turned claret and blue as supporters jetted in from Belfast and Dublin.
The scene outside the stadium as early as 90 minutes before kick-off was also quite the picture.
Sawiris, Edens and CEO Christian Purslow, all three who have been here from the start of this rebuild, were nervous but excited. When taking over in 2018 they had a plan to take Villa back into Europe within five years and despite some bumps in the road, they achieved it after flying over the final hurdle.
Brighton sang before kick-off ‘we’re all going on a European tour’ and by full-time Villa supporters were able to join in.
What an atmosphere they created, and what a performance.
Emery was right to be worried about the game, but after riding through a nervy hour of football, Villa eventually got a grip and controlled the final 30 minutes to get the job done. They pressed high and at the right time and it was enough to restrict Roberto De Zerbi’s men.
Asked how Villa got over the line, goalkeeper Martinez said: “The manager told us to play our game and I think we were outstanding from the first minute.”
Matty Cash said: “It’s a dream come true to be playing in Europe and to do it with these boys and this manager is great.”
Emery was also delighted but declared this success as only “the first step”.
“I want more moments like this,” he said.
With the Spaniard around, there’s every chance there will be.
There was so much to like about this particular victory, but Villa put all the groundwork in long before this, first by winning regularly on the road — think back to the reverse fixture with Brighton before the World Cup break that got it all started.
Villa then beat Tottenham, Leeds United, Everton and Chelsea between other results into the new year.
The players felt the pinch with fewer days off, extended training time, and longer video sessions after defeats to Manchester City, Leicester City and Arsenal, but it was that run of games where Villa conceded 11 goals that inspired a serious fix-up, and what happened next was impressive.
Villa beat Crystal Palace, Bournemouth, Nottingham Forest, Newcastle, Fulham and Tottenham at home and conceded just one goal — a Harry Kane penalty to set up the final-day showdown.
Mixing grit and determination with star quality, a ruthless streak and a clear identity made Villa a feared force.
Brighton had achieved their own objective of qualifying for the Europa League with a week to spare but played with freedom and an unpredictable edge.
But still there was no stopping Villa from making it seven wins in a row at home in the Premier League for the first time since the 1992-93 season.
Villa challenged for the title that year, a mission supporters would love to see again.
As Martinez said, though, when addressing the supporters: “Next season we go for the Champions League — that’s our aim.”
Expect a busy summer as Villa prepare for the new challenge.
Post by: Towser on May 29, 2023, 01:51:51 PM
Post by: Stu82 on May 29, 2023, 02:04:09 PM
My brain hurts.
Like a warehouse.
And it’s been five years in July since our saviours bought the club.
Post by: Dogtanian on May 29, 2023, 02:04:30 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on May 29, 2023, 02:05:28 PM
My brain hurts.
Like a warehouse.
And it’s been five years in July since our saviours bought the club.
But luckily, the world didn’t end.
Post by: Stu82 on May 29, 2023, 02:20:25 PM
My brain hurts.
Like a warehouse.
And it’s been five years in July since our saviours bought the club.
But luckily, the world didn’t end.
True, changed immeasurably for the better.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 29, 2023, 02:22:40 PM
Worth a read to see out potential outcome and draw possibilities, https://twitter.com/uefarankings/status/1663152062593392640?s=48&t=6iBV-Ol4fQUyMjvKB4z6eg
Do you think the author has a girlfriend?
Post by: LeeB on May 29, 2023, 02:33:57 PM
Post by: Dave on May 29, 2023, 02:47:33 PM
Worth a read to see out potential outcome and draw possibilities, https://twitter.com/uefarankings/status/1663152062593392640?s=48&t=6iBV-Ol4fQUyMjvKB4z6eg
Do you think the author has a girlfriend?
Why?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 29, 2023, 02:54:56 PM
Worth a read to see out potential outcome and draw possibilities, https://twitter.com/uefarankings/status/1663152062593392640?s=48&t=6iBV-Ol4fQUyMjvKB4z6eg
Do you think the author has a girlfriend?
Why?
It didn't strike me as the work of someone who gets out much.
Post by: German James on May 29, 2023, 03:16:12 PM
Worth a read to see out potential outcome and draw possibilities, https://twitter.com/uefarankings/status/1663152062593392640?s=48&t=6iBV-Ol4fQUyMjvKB4z6egDoes anyone remember "Golden Balls"?
Post by: Dave on May 29, 2023, 03:18:17 PM
Worth a read to see out potential outcome and draw possibilities, https://twitter.com/uefarankings/status/1663152062593392640?s=48&t=6iBV-Ol4fQUyMjvKB4z6eg
Do you think the author has a girlfriend?
Why?
It didn't strike me as the work of someone who gets out much.
Someone posting about football on the internet. Yeah, what a loser that guy must be.
Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 29, 2023, 03:33:42 PM
Worth a read to see out potential outcome and draw possibilities, https://twitter.com/uefarankings/status/1663152062593392640?s=48&t=6iBV-Ol4fQUyMjvKB4z6egDoes anyone remember "Golden Balls"?
Or Numberwang.
Just stick all the balls in a hat, get some old fossil to pick them out and if Juventus get Athletic Bilbao in the first round that's tough tits
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2023, 03:43:21 PM
Post by: German James on May 29, 2023, 03:44:59 PM
It does seem incredibly convoluted... Not that I've got any better idea how to organise it!Worth a read to see out potential outcome and draw possibilities, https://twitter.com/uefarankings/status/1663152062593392640?s=48&t=6iBV-Ol4fQUyMjvKB4z6egDoes anyone remember "Golden Balls"?
Or Numberwang.
Post by: danno on May 29, 2023, 03:48:02 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 29, 2023, 04:29:00 PM
Post by: AV82EC on May 29, 2023, 04:32:42 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on May 29, 2023, 04:38:01 PM
Post by: Lsvilla on May 29, 2023, 04:38:26 PM
Post by: AV82EC on May 29, 2023, 04:40:24 PM
Post by: Lsvilla on May 29, 2023, 04:45:44 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 29, 2023, 04:47:12 PM
And inevitably Basel score
Emery out
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 29, 2023, 04:53:48 PM
And inevitably Basel score
Can’t brush a result like that under the carpet.
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on May 29, 2023, 04:56:54 PM
Worth a read to see out potential outcome and draw possibilities, https://twitter.com/uefarankings/status/1663152062593392640?s=48&t=6iBV-Ol4fQUyMjvKB4z6eg
As clear as mud and I have a headache now.
Post by: olaftab on May 29, 2023, 04:58:34 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on May 29, 2023, 05:03:20 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on May 29, 2023, 05:06:00 PM
To me, we need to make sure we are up there in the top six in the league next season as a priority. After that, go as far as we can in the cups and europe.
The extra revenue comes in handy, we already have quite a few players who don’t get many minutes, plus several good youngsters ready to take the next step up. I think we will be fine.
Post by: john2710 on May 29, 2023, 05:06:48 PM
I don't suppose it will be much easier to get tickets than it is for away games. I'm assuming tickets will be issued against passport details.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 29, 2023, 05:06:55 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 29, 2023, 05:09:40 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 29, 2023, 05:09:58 PM
Post by: john e on May 29, 2023, 05:14:38 PM
A strong second goalkeeper is essential
We need better back ups than the Augustinsons of this world, but I think that will sort it self out over the summer
Post by: Dogtanian on May 29, 2023, 05:16:20 PM
The goalie was the main problem in those cup games have we ever won a game with him in nets ?
A strong second goalkeeper is essential
We need better back ups than the Augustinsons of this world, but I think that will sort it self out over the summer
Spurs away we had Olsen in goal.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 29, 2023, 05:16:58 PM
Post by: Rory on May 29, 2023, 05:17:53 PM
Looks like we have sneaked into the seeded side of the draw. But but the danger is Rapid Vienna are in the unseeded pot. Nightmare could return😟
Haha with another self-important banner.
Post by: Dogtanian on May 29, 2023, 05:19:30 PM
Good players who want to be here and compete.
The funds and pull to bring better plays in.
A crop of talented young players with potential to blood.
If We can’t put a good squad together with all that going for us, we never will.
Post by: Risso on May 29, 2023, 05:22:41 PM
The goalie was the main problem in those cup games have we ever won a game with him in nets ?
A strong second goalkeeper is essential
We need better back ups than the Augustinsons of this world, but I think that will sort it self out over the summer
He was a left back mate!
Post by: exigo on May 29, 2023, 05:31:13 PM
Post by: john e on May 29, 2023, 05:33:26 PM
The goalie was the main problem in those cup games have we ever won a game with him in nets ?
A strong second goalkeeper is essential
We need better back ups than the Augustinsons of this world, but I think that will sort it self out over the summer
He was a left back mate!
Yeah I know, but he still played in those cup games
And you’re not going to win football matches with competition winning players
Post by: charlatan on May 29, 2023, 06:05:29 PM
Post by: Risso on May 29, 2023, 06:31:17 PM
The goalie was the main problem in those cup games have we ever won a game with him in nets ?
A strong second goalkeeper is essential
We need better back ups than the Augustinsons of this world, but I think that will sort it self out over the summer
He was a left back mate!
Yeah I know, but he still played in those cup games
And you’re not going to win football matches with competition winning players
Probably why we sent him home and bought Moreno then.
Post by: OCD on May 29, 2023, 06:44:29 PM
Post by: four fornicholl on May 29, 2023, 07:35:22 PM
Post by: Beard82 on May 29, 2023, 07:58:52 PM
Didn't realise that the Conference League allows for 12 substitutes. Should be to name 2 keepers again in that comp.Let the good times roll!
Post by: rougegorge on May 29, 2023, 10:04:53 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 29, 2023, 10:16:57 PM
Nice mix of big teams like Juventus and Frankfurt, and places that I'll have to look up like Cuckaricki and Mostar.
Think Cuckaricki are a team from Belgrade
Post by: Exeter 77 on May 29, 2023, 10:41:26 PM
I went to Mostar a few years ago. I thought it was a fascinating place with 2 main clubs HŠK Zrinjski and Velez.Nice mix of big teams like Juventus and Frankfurt, and places that I'll have to look up like Cuckaricki and Mostar.
Think Cuckaricki are a team from Belgrade
Post by: Beard82 on May 29, 2023, 11:33:10 PM
Not sure if it's already been mentioned, but I think we also get a bye to the 3rd round of the League Cup next season.What do we have to do to get a bye to the 4th round of the FA cup? I'm trying to convince my son that we've been there!
Post by: purpletrousers on May 30, 2023, 04:28:09 AM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 30, 2023, 06:57:27 AM
Looks like we have sneaked into the seeded side of the draw. But but the danger is Rapid Vienna are in the unseeded pot. Nightmare could return😟
All sorts of teams from the Champions and Europa League drop into the conference too.
It's a while since Rangers were last at VP.
Post by: algy on May 30, 2023, 06:58:49 AM
Didn't realise that the Conference League allows for 12 substitutes. Should be to name 2 keepers again in that comp.Expect at least 3 sub keepers of there's that many places on the bench tbh
Post by: Demitri_C on May 30, 2023, 07:28:50 AM
Also lets not forget we had a WC half way in season. Its a perfect opportunity to use some youngsters too. Archer kesler ans timmy
Post by: Mister E on May 30, 2023, 07:49:23 AM
Boom, boom!And inevitably Basel score
Can’t brush a result like that under the carpet.
Post by: Mister E on May 30, 2023, 07:52:01 AM
I thought it was next door to Billericay ...
Think Cuckaricki are a team from Belgrade
Post by: FrankyH on May 30, 2023, 08:31:07 AM
Post by: Clampy on May 30, 2023, 09:01:28 AM
Post by: darren woolley on May 30, 2023, 09:10:08 AM
Not sure if it's already been mentioned, but I think we also get a bye to the 3rd round of the League Cup next season.
That would certainly help us.
Post by: Bully2345 on May 30, 2023, 09:10:57 AM
The only downside i can think of is, dont some of the games kick off at 5.45pm or something daft like that or was just teams who played in the arse end of nowhere?
If we make the groups, some of the away games will be at that time. English teams at home generally get 8pm slot for TV audiences
Post by: TaxDodger on May 30, 2023, 09:25:50 AM
Sevilla seem to be one of five teams in La Liga who can realistically finish 7th with one game to go. If Osasuna, Bilbao or Girona match their result they can't come 7th, so I guess them coming 7th is pretty unlikely.
Post by: Pat Mustard on May 30, 2023, 09:31:39 AM
Post by: john e on May 30, 2023, 09:57:30 AM
Post by: Monty on May 30, 2023, 09:59:09 AM
I was never any good at maths or quantum physics so I’m struggling with all these Europa CL permutations
Same, I just want to know who to support in any given moment e.g. Sevilla tomorrow (and failing that, any of the other clubs going for seventh in Spain on the weekend). Don't show me the working, just give me the outcome.
Post by: Sdwbvf on May 30, 2023, 10:25:59 AM
I was never any good at maths or quantum physics so I’m struggling with all these Europa CL permutations
I teach Maths and Economics. I still don't understand it!
Post by: Martyn Smith on May 30, 2023, 10:31:03 AM
Do we now get a bye to the third round of the League Cup as well?
Ooh, yeah...
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 30, 2023, 10:31:51 AM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 30, 2023, 11:05:52 AM
Like them anyway, after continually knocking Manure out and also Juventus this season.
Post by: Monty on May 30, 2023, 11:08:25 AM
Post by: john e on May 30, 2023, 03:43:09 PM
The goalie was the main problem in those cup games have we ever won a game with him in nets ?
A strong second goalkeeper is essential
We need better back ups than the Augustinsons of this world, but I think that will sort it self out over the summer
He was a left back mate!
Yeah I know, but he still played in those cup games
And you’re not going to win football matches with competition winning players
Probably why we sent him home and bought Moreno then.
Exactly, nowhere near good enough
And you’re not gonna win cup games by playing people like that in them
Post by: eamonn on May 30, 2023, 03:57:02 PM
I was never any good at maths or quantum physics so I’m struggling with all these Europa CL permutations
I teach Maths and Economics. I still don't understand it!
"I got one art O Level, it did nothing for me"
Post by: Risso on May 30, 2023, 04:03:51 PM
it did nothing for me"
Oh, Vienna!
Post by: eamonn on May 30, 2023, 04:10:27 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 30, 2023, 09:02:17 PM
it did nothing for me"
Oh, Vienna!
Shaddup You Face !
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 30, 2023, 11:00:49 PM
it did nothing for me"
Oh, Vienna!
Ooh Miss Jones.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 30, 2023, 11:04:17 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on May 30, 2023, 11:06:17 PM
Post by: trinityoap on May 30, 2023, 11:32:13 PM
Post by: eamonn on May 30, 2023, 11:32:50 PM
I like the UECL anthem.
Has it got a syncopated beat ?
Post by: Pete3206 on May 30, 2023, 11:39:33 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 31, 2023, 08:25:02 AM
At least this time I don't think we will be getting beaten by teams I've never heard of.
Yeah, we've all heard of Rapid Vienna by now
Post by: Smirker on May 31, 2023, 11:58:46 AM
The Global Club Soccer Rankings have been updated for the final time this season, with 640 international club teams compared by Soccer Power Index…👀
(https://i.ibb.co/gg2x0Gq/20230531-115306.jpg)
Post by: KinPer on May 31, 2023, 12:21:31 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2023, 12:33:05 PM
Post by: OCD on May 31, 2023, 12:44:18 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on May 31, 2023, 12:53:31 PM
What is interesting is the poll result. Some 27% did not believe Villa would even make the top 7...
Some of those might have been after the Manure / Wolves double loss which, at least the latter was looked at as three points dropped. Following that up with matches against Spurs, 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' and Brighton and I can see why people might have voted "not a chance".
Then you have the people who don't want to get their hopes up so will vote for the worst case so "well I expected it to happen" if it comes to pass, and pleasantly surprised if it doesn't.
And then you have "fans" like Wilma.
Post by: pablo_picasso on May 31, 2023, 01:22:06 PM
But I cant remember when & why...
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 31, 2023, 01:37:23 PM
Post by: Dick Edwards on May 31, 2023, 01:51:19 PM
Post by: Dave on May 31, 2023, 02:09:14 PM
Aarhus at home
There's always something happening and it's usually quite loud.
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 31, 2023, 02:20:24 PM
Aarhus at home
There's always something happening and it's usually quite loud.
Bravo - Huge round of applause
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 31, 2023, 03:58:15 PM
Aarhus at home
There's always something happening and it's usually quite loud.
Bravo - Huge round of applause
Where have you been? That joke has been done many times before and variations of it. Probably as far back as when that single was released.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 31, 2023, 04:38:48 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 01, 2023, 08:23:20 AM
Post by: AV82EC on June 01, 2023, 08:35:35 AM
I’m getting really confused now. Are we going to be seeded or not?
It depends who gets to the Play Off Round.
Current estimates have us as the highest coefficient unseeded team in that Play Off Round draw but the more teams with better coefficients who either qualify for either ECL or EL or don’t qualify then we end up with a chance of being seeded as their places are taken by lower coefficient teams.
Post by: Dave on June 01, 2023, 08:42:12 AM
I’m getting really confused now. Are we going to be seeded or not?
Still to be confirmed.
Post by: Risso on June 01, 2023, 08:50:19 AM
Post by: Bad English on June 01, 2023, 08:51:38 AM
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Post by: Anthenagin on June 01, 2023, 10:42:17 AM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-europa-conference-league-27033070
Basically, as people have been saying, lots of ifs, buts and maybes. However, we are close to being seeded is my takeaway.
Post by: Monty on June 01, 2023, 10:47:46 AM
Interesting stuff though Anthenagin! It would obviously make a huge difference to us to be a little bit more confident of a group stage spot.
It's also kind of fun to be caring about such things as the Turkish Cup final. 'Mon then Fenerbahçe!
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 01, 2023, 10:55:02 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2023, 11:51:34 AM
Post by: john e on June 01, 2023, 11:52:43 AM
Is Trabzonspor still knocking around so we can eliminated at home on away goals again?
Probably the loudest and maddest away fans I’ve seen at Villa
Post by: Bad English on June 01, 2023, 11:57:49 AM
Is Trabzonspor still knocking around so we can eliminated at home on away goals again?Are.
Post by: Dave on June 01, 2023, 12:04:59 PM
Is Trabzonspor still knocking around so we can eliminated at home on away goals again?
Won the league in 21/22, and current home of Trézéguet.
Post by: Pete3206 on June 01, 2023, 01:40:45 PM
Besiktas are in the Conference as well as the winners of the cup final - Fenerbahce v Basaksehir
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 01, 2023, 01:46:26 PM
Besiktas are in the Conference as well as the winners of the cup final - Fenerbahce v Basaksehir
Istanbul away anyone?
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2023, 03:01:30 PM
Is Trabzonspor still knocking around so we can eliminated at home on away goals again?Are.
The needle on my "do I give a fuck about Is vs Are at this moment" meter just snapped off. But thanks for pointing it out.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 01, 2023, 03:36:20 PM
Is Trabzonspor still knocking around so we can eliminated at home on away goals again?Are.
Don’t you mean ‘ah’ if you’re agreeing with him in a Black Country twang?
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 01, 2023, 03:39:27 PM
Great city.Besiktas are in the Conference as well as the winners of the cup final - Fenerbahce v Basaksehir
Istanbul away anyone?
Post by: eamonn on June 01, 2023, 03:50:52 PM
Is Trabzonspor still knocking around so we can eliminated at home on away goals again?
Probably the loudest and maddest away fans I’ve seen at Villa
And the temerity to do it wearing claret and blue while we wore our white away shirts!
Post by: Bad English on June 01, 2023, 07:06:33 PM
We'll, I dooooo apologise. Anyway, is Villa seeded or not?Is Trabzonspor still knocking around so we can eliminated at home on away goals again?Are.
The needle on my "do I give a fuck about Is vs Are at this moment" meter just snapped off. But thanks for pointing it out.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 01, 2023, 07:08:59 PM
And I don't care if someone points us at a 17th century grammar book which sets the precedence, and nor do I care what people said 100 years ago.
Sport teams = plural. Always.
Post by: Bad English on June 01, 2023, 07:10:05 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 01, 2023, 07:11:04 PM
Post by: Bad English on June 01, 2023, 07:13:29 PM
Post by: trinityoap on June 01, 2023, 07:14:43 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 01, 2023, 07:18:09 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 01, 2023, 07:20:26 PM
Also, anyone who goes into a shop or restaurant or similar establishment, looks at the menu, then starts the conversation with the person serving them with "Can I get ..." needs to take themselves out to a remote location, and shoot themselves. Leaving written instructions for their discovered corpse to be thrown into the sea, where they belong.
I use 'can I get...', but I picked it up in Scotland, where I did some growing up, and it's the standard way to ask for something, rather than from American TV or, God forbid, people.
Post by: Dave on June 01, 2023, 07:25:10 PM
The same goes for 'gotten' too. Stop it!
I quite like "ill-gotten gains" existing in my mental dictionary.
Post by: CT Villan on June 01, 2023, 07:39:03 PM
...and none of this fucking Americanised bollocks.
and you can add "My bad" to the list of obnoxious, vulgar Americanisms !
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 01, 2023, 07:52:15 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on June 01, 2023, 08:03:29 PM
An effrontery of a word that deserves to be pinned out on the grass, covered in gravy and consumed by tigers!
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 01, 2023, 08:09:38 PM
Often times Americans will just say get me ………Also, anyone who goes into a shop or restaurant or similar establishment, looks at the menu, then starts the conversation with the person serving them with "Can I get ..." needs to take themselves out to a remote location, and shoot themselves. Leaving written instructions for their discovered corpse to be thrown into the sea, where they belong.
I use 'can I get...', but I picked it up in Scotland, where I did some growing up, and it's the standard way to ask for something, rather than from American TV or, God forbid, people.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 01, 2023, 08:11:37 PM
Post by: Monty on June 01, 2023, 08:13:09 PM
If we're descending into generically bad American crimes against the English language, I offer the most egregious of all: normalcy.
God yes this is hideous. Also: 'a couple things'.
Post by: algy on June 01, 2023, 08:23:34 PM
Post by: Grande Pablo on June 01, 2023, 08:50:04 PM
That get my craw - nobody is going to say 92%, 54%...
It makes me 'super' angry - super is good, so how can anyone be 'super' anything?
Post by: Rory on June 01, 2023, 08:53:10 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 01, 2023, 08:57:08 PM
Edit: I do it all the time with my brother so I'm a massive hypocrite.
Post by: Archieavfc on June 01, 2023, 09:03:29 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on June 01, 2023, 09:12:02 PM
Sorry if this has been asked and answered already but will the US tour go ahead as planned?
Yes
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 01, 2023, 09:38:26 PM
It absolutely is "are" and none of this fucking Americanised "is" bollocks.
And I don't care if someone points us at a 17th century grammar book which sets the precedence, and nor do I care what people said 100 years ago.
Sport teams = plural. Always.
It’s not Americanised. It’s simply correct.
Unless “One Aston Villa. There are only one Aston Villa”.
Post by: Bad English on June 01, 2023, 10:14:50 PM
I did say "gotten" and not "ill-gotten" so that's fine. :-)The same goes for 'gotten' too. Stop it!
I quite like "ill-gotten gains" existing in my mental dictionary.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 01, 2023, 10:40:55 PM
Besiktas are in the Conference as well as the winners of the cup final - Fenerbahce v Basaksehir
Istanbul away anyone?
Great city.
I'm sure it is, I'm just not convinced Villa playing away there would be the ideal time for a first visit.
Post by: tomd2103 on June 02, 2023, 12:46:57 AM
The dude doing the on-pitch interviews on Sunday looked about 12. Did a perfectly good job, mind.
He asked a couple of the players some awkward questions though which seemed a bit inappropriate given that he asked them in front of nearly 40,000 people.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 02, 2023, 12:50:31 AM
The dude doing the on-pitch interviews on Sunday looked about 12. Did a perfectly good job, mind.
He asked a couple of the players some awkward questions though which seemed a bit inappropriate given that he asked them in front of nearly 40,000 people.
"You've got a sticky toffe pudding, do you have custard or cream?"
Post by: CT Villan on June 02, 2023, 01:51:42 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on June 02, 2023, 05:30:09 AM
The dude doing the on-pitch interviews on Sunday looked about 12. Did a perfectly good job, mind.
He asked a couple of the players some awkward questions though which seemed a bit inappropriate given that he asked them in front of nearly 40,000 people.
"You've got a sticky toffe pudding, do you have custard or cream?"
He asked Ashley Young if he was going to be signing a new contract whilst the management team, the owners and AY's famuly were all on the pitch. He then for some reason asked Matty Cash about the 'secret of his hair' when its been evident that he has had some 'issues' in that area. Both players seemed a bit embarrassed really and it just didn't seem appropriate.
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 02, 2023, 06:04:57 AM
Post by: IFWaters on June 02, 2023, 06:57:02 AM
Post by: Bad English on June 02, 2023, 08:31:40 AM
If we lose the game we will be "pissed off". We may also get even more "pissed" by drinking more alcohol. Teetotallers will not be "pissed" if we lose, they will be "pissed off" like the "pissed off pissed" drinkers. Never in the field of human interaction have I heard anyone from up my end using "pissed" to mean "annoyed" or "angry".
COYEVB!
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2023, 09:18:45 AM
Post by: Bad English on June 02, 2023, 09:28:02 AM
*This is McGrath's work though so...
Post by: Monty on June 02, 2023, 09:30:58 AM
Winningest and Burglarized are two more for the list.
Burglarized is kind of funny though.
On the Villa-plural-or-not question - the club in abstract is singular ('Aston Villa is a football club in England') and anything related to the club in reality is plural ('Aston Villa have won', 'Aston Villa are trying to sign Asensio').
Post by: chrisw1 on June 02, 2023, 10:01:38 AM
Cringe moments.The dude doing the on-pitch interviews on Sunday looked about 12. Did a perfectly good job, mind.
He asked a couple of the players some awkward questions though which seemed a bit inappropriate given that he asked them in front of nearly 40,000 people.
"You've got a sticky toffe pudding, do you have custard or cream?"
He asked Ashley Young if he was going to be signing a new contract whilst the management team, the owners and AY's famuly were all on the pitch. He then for some reason asked Matty Cash about the 'secret of his hair' when its been evident that he has had some 'issues' in that area. Both players seemed a bit embarrassed really and it just didn't seem appropriate.
But he does the ex-player interviews before games in the fan area outside the North and to be fair to him he's usually pretty good at them Hopefully he'll learn. I think he's ok.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2023, 10:05:46 AM
I like it. I'd never, ever use it, obviously, but it makes me smile.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 02, 2023, 10:11:52 AM
Post by: Dave P on June 02, 2023, 10:31:41 AM
Anyone know what the latest is on seeding? After Sevilla won EL and I believe Cluj won last night, which was one that affects us I think?
Think its all eyes on the Turkish cup final and hoping higher coefficient teams get knocked out of the preliminary rounds before our play off?
Post by: Nev on June 02, 2023, 11:11:11 AM
"Winningest" is such a bat shit mental word, but a clear example of a single word being needed to sum up a concept, so you can see the rationality there.
I like it. I'd never, ever use it, obviously, but it makes me smile.
Winning most is used in Racing all the time. Drives me mad along with dozens of other, lazy, stock phrases used in the sport.
Post by: algy on June 02, 2023, 12:00:20 PM
"Winningest" is such a bat shit mental word, but a clear example of a single word being needed to sum up a concept, so you can see the rationality there.Can't say I'm a fan, but I do like the ability to make a distinction between the side that wins the most trinkets (Man City) and the best team (us, obvs).
I like it. I'd never, ever use it, obviously, but it makes me smile.
Post by: tomd2103 on June 02, 2023, 04:47:17 PM
It just doesn't sound right. Surely in the case of Federer, something should have come after it ie. "the Swiss player".
Post by: Goldenballs on June 02, 2023, 05:04:39 PM
People will say "The San Siro", but would never say "The Old Trafford"
Although people say "The Etihad", but maybe that's because it's sponsored? Anyway, it annoys me.
Post by: Witton Warrior on June 02, 2023, 05:18:44 PM
Why do people put the word "the" in front of all foreign stadium names?
People will say "The San Siro", but would never say "The Old Trafford"
Although people say "The Etihad", but maybe that's because it's sponsored? Anyway, it annoys me.
"The Asda" and "The Tesco" but never "The Sainsbury"?
Post by: algy on June 02, 2023, 05:25:01 PM
I might be in the wrong here, but I have an disproportionately irrational dislike when I hear some of the terms used for nationalities. Two particular ones are Roger Federer being referred to as "the Swiss" and Ronaldo as "the Portuguese" with nothing following it. It's like a person from England or Britain being referred to as "the English" or "the British".I agree, it winds me up something proper.
It just doesn't sound right. Surely in the case of Federer, something should have come after it ie. "the Swiss player".
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 02, 2023, 05:29:18 PM
Why do people put the word "the" in front of all foreign stadium names?
People will say "The San Siro", but would never say "The Old Trafford"
Although people say "The Etihad", but maybe that's because it's sponsored? Anyway, it annoys me.
I don't know about other languages (but suspect Italian, French and Portuguese would be similar) but in Spanish, the name of something like a football stadium (other nouns are available!) would always be preceded by the definite article, so it's probably just a literal translation in most cases.
Post by: Pete3206 on June 02, 2023, 05:38:04 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 02, 2023, 05:49:00 PM
So is it 'The Sty' or just 'Sty'?
It's 'no puedo hacerlo, estoy trabajando por las noches en el Rover'.
Post by: exigo on June 02, 2023, 07:13:44 PM
Anyone know what the latest is on seeding? After Sevilla won EL and I believe Cluj won last night, which was one that affects us I think?
This is the oracle you need.
We have a runner in the Turkish Cup Final. Need to keep an eye on Denmark. And then hope that one of nine higher co-efficient teams slip up before Emery's mighty Villa get stuck in for the play off round.
UEFA rankings on twitter linky (https://twitter.com/UefaRankings/status/1664224915099115520)
Cluj have already won.
So now we need Midtjylland to screw up, or for Fenerbahçe to win the Turkish cup. I think.
Post by: olaftab on June 02, 2023, 07:16:56 PM
Why do people put the word "the" in front of all foreign stadium names?It may be Al Etihad but never The Etihad.
People will say "The San Siro", but would never say "The Old Trafford"
Although people say "The Etihad", but maybe that's because it's sponsored? Anyway, it annoys me.
Post by: Rory on June 02, 2023, 07:17:51 PM
It all just makes me think of The IT Crowd. 'As I said - I am fully seeded.'
Love that exchange.
"I'm a professional tennis player."
"Where do you play?"
"Where don't I play."
"Wimbledon?"
"I don't play there."
"Are you seeded, Moss?"
"Bit of a personal question..."
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2023, 07:18:49 PM
Why do people put the word "the" in front of all foreign stadium names?
People will say "The San Siro", but would never say "The Old Trafford"
Although people say "The Etihad", but maybe that's because it's sponsored? Anyway, it annoys me.
One of the first mistakes I remember getting corrected on working in Italy was talking to a colleague and using the definite article with San Siro. It's just 'San Siro' not 'Il San Siro'.
Confusingly, they do use the definite article with some stadia (l'Olimpico, for example).
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2023, 07:22:02 PM
Not that many other clubs get that.
The Arsenal?
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 02, 2023, 07:22:22 PM
Anyone know what the latest is on seeding? After Sevilla won EL and I believe Cluj won last night, which was one that affects us I think?
This is the oracle you need.
We have a runner in the Turkish Cup Final. Need to keep an eye on Denmark. And then hope that one of nine higher co-efficient teams slip up before Emery's mighty Villa get stuck in for the play off round.
UEFA rankings on twitter linky (https://twitter.com/UefaRankings/status/1664224915099115520)
Cluj have already won.
So now we need Midtjylland to screw up, or for Fenerbahçe to win the Turkish cup. I think.
The Denmark bit of that at least is bollocks. Midtjylland can't qualify for Europe at all.
Post by: exigo on June 02, 2023, 07:28:40 PM
Anyone know what the latest is on seeding? After Sevilla won EL and I believe Cluj won last night, which was one that affects us I think?
This is the oracle you need.
We have a runner in the Turkish Cup Final. Need to keep an eye on Denmark. And then hope that one of nine higher co-efficient teams slip up before Emery's mighty Villa get stuck in for the play off round.
UEFA rankings on twitter linky (https://twitter.com/UefaRankings/status/1664224915099115520)
Cluj have already won.
So now we need Midtjylland to screw up, or for Fenerbahçe to win the Turkish cup. I think.
The Denmark bit of that at least is bollocks. Midtjylland can't qualify for Europe at all.
Not according to this:
Wiki link (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E2%80%9323_Danish_Superliga#Qualification_round)
The 4th-placed team of the championship round advances to a play-off match against the winning team of the qualification round (no. 7) in a single-leg tie, with the team from the championship round as hosts. The winner earns a place in the Europa Conference League second qualifying round.
That 7th team is them.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 02, 2023, 08:02:41 PM
Post by: Dave on June 02, 2023, 08:14:32 PM
Why do people put the word "the" in front of all foreign stadium names?
People will say "The San Siro", but would never say "The Old Trafford"
Although people say "The Etihad", but maybe that's because it's sponsored? Anyway, it annoys me.
I don't know about other languages (but suspect Italian, French and Portuguese would be similar) but in Spanish, the name of something like a football stadium (other nouns are available!) would always be preceded by the definite article, so it's probably just a literal translation in most cases.
Not sure about that. My theory would be that it's to do with whether the word "stadium" is in there, at which point your definite article, referring to the stadium comes in.
So it will be el estadio de Mestella, but it's not el Camp Nou, it's just Camp Nou. If you're talking about lo stadio Giuseppe Meazza then you have your definite article but it's just San Siro if you're referring to it that way.
This is from a "gut feeling" rather than "confident and authoritative" position though.
As to why someone would say in English, "the Nou Camp" or "the San Siro", it's probably just to do with lots of people being wrong.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 02, 2023, 09:10:09 PM
Why do people put the word "the" in front of all foreign stadium names?
People will say "The San Siro", but would never say "The Old Trafford"
Although people say "The Etihad", but maybe that's because it's sponsored? Anyway, it annoys me.
I don't know about other languages (but suspect Italian, French and Portuguese would be similar) but in Spanish, the name of something like a football stadium (other nouns are available!) would always be preceded by the definite article, so it's probably just a literal translation in most cases.
Not sure about that. My theory would be that it's to do with whether the word "stadium" is in there, at which point your definite article, referring to the stadium comes in.
So it will be el estadio de Mestella, but it's not el Camp Nou, it's just Camp Nou. If you're talking about lo stadio Giuseppe Meazza then you have your definite article but it's just San Siro if you're referring to it that way.
This is from a "gut feeling" rather than "confident and authoritative" position though.
As to why someone would say in English, "the Nou Camp" or "the San Siro", it's probably just to do with lots of people being wrong.
Camp Nou would be said in Catalan, which (according to Catalans and only Catalans of my acquaintance) is nothing like Spanish.
I'm pretty sure that I'm right about the definite article for proper nouns in Spanish (even more so now I've checked with the Mrs, whose Spanish kicks the shit out of mine. And she's an Engliish language teacher. She got grammar game).
Post by: Monty on June 02, 2023, 09:23:29 PM
Anyway, BE should really get to this thread sharpish so as to sort shit out.
Post by: olaftab on June 02, 2023, 10:13:52 PM
Post by: Dave on June 02, 2023, 10:25:47 PM
Why do people put the word "the" in front of all foreign stadium names?
People will say "The San Siro", but would never say "The Old Trafford"
Although people say "The Etihad", but maybe that's because it's sponsored? Anyway, it annoys me.
I don't know about other languages (but suspect Italian, French and Portuguese would be similar) but in Spanish, the name of something like a football stadium (other nouns are available!) would always be preceded by the definite article, so it's probably just a literal translation in most cases.
Not sure about that. My theory would be that it's to do with whether the word "stadium" is in there, at which point your definite article, referring to the stadium comes in.
So it will be el estadio de Mestella, but it's not el Camp Nou, it's just Camp Nou. If you're talking about lo stadio Giuseppe Meazza then you have your definite article but it's just San Siro if you're referring to it that way.
This is from a "gut feeling" rather than "confident and authoritative" position though.
As to why someone would say in English, "the Nou Camp" or "the San Siro", it's probably just to do with lots of people being wrong.
Camp Nou would be said in Catalan, which (according to Catalans and only Catalans of my acquaintance) is nothing like Spanish.
I bet that Camp Nou would still be Camp Nou for a speaker of Castilian Spanish, rather than el Campo nuevo.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 02, 2023, 10:55:01 PM
My contention is that people are (probably) just translating from El Estadio de Mestalla, and that the Mestalla is so called because it's a Spanish proper noun, and they always come after the definite article.
I never claimed to know what a Galician-speaker would call Camp Nou - we call it Camp Nou in English, right?!
Post by: Monty on June 02, 2023, 10:58:31 PM
What does that matter if we're talking about why, in English, people use the definite article when referring to, say, 'the Mestalla Stadium'?
My contention is that people are (probably) just translating from El Estadio de Mestalla, and that the Mestalla is so called because it's a Spanish proper noun, and they always come after the definite article.
I never claimed to know what a Galician-speaker would call Camp Nou - we call it Camp Nou in English, right?!
H&V.
Post by: LeeB on June 02, 2023, 10:58:36 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2023, 11:02:05 PM
What does that matter if we're talking about why, in English, people use the definite article when referring to, say, 'the Mestalla Stadium'?
My contention is that people are (probably) just translating from El Estadio de Mestalla, and that the Mestalla is so called because it's a Spanish proper noun, and they always come after the definite article.
I never claimed to know what a Galician-speaker would call Camp Nou - we call it Camp Nou in English, right?!
Spotify Camp Nou, these days.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 02, 2023, 11:02:43 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2023, 11:04:18 PM
One of my colleagues made a fair amount of money burning audio CDs with content downloaded from there (CDs and equipment all on the BBC).
Post by: Dave on June 02, 2023, 11:13:09 PM
I never claimed to know what a Galician-speaker would call Camp Nou - we call it Camp Nou in English, right?!
I reckon about 2% of English speakers call it Camp Nou.
The rest call it The Nou Camp.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 02, 2023, 11:17:56 PM
Post by: Rory on June 03, 2023, 12:18:34 AM
Waiting 28 hours for a new film to be downloaded on Limewire only for it to be the Turkish version, good times. You knew it was too good to be true ya dickhead. I was around 13 when using it, the risk of the porn I was downloading possibly bricking the family PC was the ultimate gambit, what a buzz.
Or when you downloaded about five albums in one go, and when you went to listen, every single track was Bill Clinton saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" over and over.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 03, 2023, 12:33:46 AM
Waiting 28 hours for a new film to be downloaded on Limewire only for it to be the Turkish version, good times. You knew it was too good to be true ya dickhead. I was around 13 when using it, the risk of the porn I was downloading possibly bricking the family PC was the ultimate gambit, what a buzz.
Or when you downloaded about five albums in one go, and when you went to listen, every single track was Bill Clinton saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" over and over.
Surely every RHCP lyric is essentially, 'I had loads of sexual relations with that woman. And her mates. And my mates'? You must've been gutted!
Post by: Rory on June 03, 2023, 12:38:33 AM
Waiting 28 hours for a new film to be downloaded on Limewire only for it to be the Turkish version, good times. You knew it was too good to be true ya dickhead. I was around 13 when using it, the risk of the porn I was downloading possibly bricking the family PC was the ultimate gambit, what a buzz.
Or when you downloaded about five albums in one go, and when you went to listen, every single track was Bill Clinton saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" over and over.
Surely every RHCP lyric is essentially, 'I had loads of sexual relations with that woman. And her mates. And my mates'? You must've been gutted!
I wasn't into them at that point. It was mainly U2 back then.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 03, 2023, 12:44:32 AM
Post by: Rory on June 03, 2023, 12:45:57 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 03, 2023, 12:48:25 AM
Post by: Rory on June 03, 2023, 12:59:06 AM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 03, 2023, 01:18:47 AM
Waiting 28 hours for a new film to be downloaded on Limewire only for it to be the Turkish version, good times. You knew it was too good to be true ya dickhead. I was around 13 when using it, the risk of the porn I was downloading possibly bricking the family PC was the ultimate gambit, what a buzz.
Or when you downloaded about five albums in one go, and when you went to listen, every single track was Bill Clinton saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" over and over.
Did that actually happen? That's great if it did.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 03, 2023, 01:28:44 AM
Waiting 28 hours for a new film to be downloaded on Limewire only for it to be the Turkish version, good times. You knew it was too good to be true ya dickhead. I was around 13 when using it, the risk of the porn I was downloading possibly bricking the family PC was the ultimate gambit, what a buzz.
Or when you downloaded about five albums in one go, and when you went to listen, every single track was Bill Clinton saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" over and over.
Surely every RHCP lyric is essentially, 'I had loads of sexual relations with that woman. And her mates. And my mates'? You must've been gutted!
I wasn't into them at that point. It was mainly U2 back then.
You just don’t give a fuck what anyone thinks of you do you?
Fair play.
Post by: Rory on June 03, 2023, 01:31:11 AM
Waiting 28 hours for a new film to be downloaded on Limewire only for it to be the Turkish version, good times. You knew it was too good to be true ya dickhead. I was around 13 when using it, the risk of the porn I was downloading possibly bricking the family PC was the ultimate gambit, what a buzz.
Or when you downloaded about five albums in one go, and when you went to listen, every single track was Bill Clinton saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" over and over.
Did that actually happen? That's great if it did.
Yeah! I don't know who was uploading all of these things, but you'd download something and it would be that audio clip on repeat. Easy to spot the small file size if it's a video you're looking for, but when it's a 3-minute track, you just don't know.
Post by: Rory on June 03, 2023, 01:33:34 AM
Waiting 28 hours for a new film to be downloaded on Limewire only for it to be the Turkish version, good times. You knew it was too good to be true ya dickhead. I was around 13 when using it, the risk of the porn I was downloading possibly bricking the family PC was the ultimate gambit, what a buzz.
Or when you downloaded about five albums in one go, and when you went to listen, every single track was Bill Clinton saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" over and over.
Surely every RHCP lyric is essentially, 'I had loads of sexual relations with that woman. And her mates. And my mates'? You must've been gutted!
I wasn't into them at that point. It was mainly U2 back then.
You just don’t give a fuck what anyone thinks of you do you?
Fair play.
I like the way it gives me a sense of identity on here. "It's Rory, the guy with dreadful taste."
That's why I don't often mention what I actually do like; because it would puncture the mystique.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 03, 2023, 01:38:58 AM
Waiting 28 hours for a new film to be downloaded on Limewire only for it to be the Turkish version, good times. You knew it was too good to be true ya dickhead. I was around 13 when using it, the risk of the porn I was downloading possibly bricking the family PC was the ultimate gambit, what a buzz.
Or when you downloaded about five albums in one go, and when you went to listen, every single track was Bill Clinton saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" over and over.
Surely every RHCP lyric is essentially, 'I had loads of sexual relations with that woman. And her mates. And my mates'? You must've been gutted!
I wasn't into them at that point. It was mainly U2 back then.
You just don’t give a fuck what anyone thinks of you do you?
Fair play.
I like the way it gives me a sense of identity on here. "It's Rory, the guy with dreadful taste."
That's why I don't often mention what I actually do like; because it would puncture the mystique.
Nah, it’s Rory, a great bloke but much too tolerant of twats.
Post by: Rory on June 03, 2023, 01:43:05 AM
Waiting 28 hours for a new film to be downloaded on Limewire only for it to be the Turkish version, good times. You knew it was too good to be true ya dickhead. I was around 13 when using it, the risk of the porn I was downloading possibly bricking the family PC was the ultimate gambit, what a buzz.
Or when you downloaded about five albums in one go, and when you went to listen, every single track was Bill Clinton saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" over and over.
Surely every RHCP lyric is essentially, 'I had loads of sexual relations with that woman. And her mates. And my mates'? You must've been gutted!
I wasn't into them at that point. It was mainly U2 back then.
You just don’t give a fuck what anyone thinks of you do you?
Fair play.
I like the way it gives me a sense of identity on here. "It's Rory, the guy with dreadful taste."
That's why I don't often mention what I actually do like; because it would puncture the mystique.
Nah, it’s Rory, a great bloke but much too tolerant of twats.
I'll take that, Percy!
Thankfully, my tolerance of twats is not too heavily tested on this fine site.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 03, 2023, 07:38:35 AM
Waiting 28 hours for a new film to be downloaded on Limewire only for it to be the Turkish version, good times. You knew it was too good to be true ya dickhead. I was around 13 when using it, the risk of the porn I was downloading possibly bricking the family PC was the ultimate gambit, what a buzz.
Or when you downloaded about five albums in one go, and when you went to listen, every single track was Bill Clinton saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" over and over.
Surely every RHCP lyric is essentially, 'I had loads of sexual relations with that woman. And her mates. And my mates'? You must've been gutted!
I wasn't into them at that point. It was mainly U2 back then.
I will now rush to tell my brother this news
Post by: PeterWithe on June 03, 2023, 09:19:30 AM
Waiting 28 hours for a new film to be downloaded on Limewire only for it to be the Turkish version, good times. You knew it was too good to be true ya dickhead. I was around 13 when using it, the risk of the porn I was downloading possibly bricking the family PC was the ultimate gambit, what a buzz.
Or when you downloaded about five albums in one go, and when you went to listen, every single track was Bill Clinton saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" over and over.
Did that actually happen? That's great if it did.
And a voice message from the FBI saying you were very naughty for trying to download the files.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 03, 2023, 09:35:21 AM
I like the way it gives me a sense of identity on here. "It's Rory, the guy with dreadful taste."
That's why I don't often mention what I actually do like; because it would puncture the mystique.
I now have, "It's Rory, with the dreadful, unpopular taste." going through my head to the old Lilt jingle.
Post by: LeeB on June 03, 2023, 09:47:43 AM
I like the way it gives me a sense of identity on here. "It's Rory, the guy with dreadful taste."
That's why I don't often mention what I actually do like; because it would puncture the mystique.
I now have, "It's Rory, with the dreadful, unpopular taste." going through my head to the old Lilt jingle.
Diet Rory tastes terrible and has terrible taste
Post by: exigo on June 03, 2023, 10:10:12 AM
That's the relegation half of the league. The league splits in 2 after 22 games. Midtjylland will finish top of the bottom half.
Which the article confirms will place them in a Europa Conference League play off against the team finishing fourth in the top half league.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 03, 2023, 11:19:33 AM
That's the relegation half of the league. The league splits in 2 after 22 games. Midtjylland will finish top of the bottom half.
Which the article confirms will place them in a Europa Conference League play off against the team finishing fourth in the top half league.
Yeah, exigo is right. This is off Wiki:
'The 4th-placed team of the championship round advances to a play-off match against the winning team of the qualification round (no. 7) in a single-leg tie, with the team from the championship round as hosts. The winner earns a place in the Europa Conference League second qualifying round.'
It's also on the Flashscore table. I guess it gives a reward to winning the relegation group.
Post by: eamonn on June 03, 2023, 11:22:29 AM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 03, 2023, 11:23:23 AM
When is CDBullyWee coming back anyway? He's missed.
It's Rory's fault.
Post by: exigo on June 03, 2023, 01:32:05 PM
Post by: exigo on June 03, 2023, 01:39:58 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 03, 2023, 03:30:25 PM
When is CDBullyWee coming back anyway? He's missed.
He's not going to come back if you keep 'deadnaming' him. :(
Post by: eamonn on June 03, 2023, 04:06:39 PM
Post by: rougegorge on June 03, 2023, 07:09:02 PM
Yes, and now Midtjylland have won, we could do with them losing that play-off and Fenerbahce winning the Turkish Cup.That's the relegation half of the league. The league splits in 2 after 22 games. Midtjylland will finish top of the bottom half.
Which the article confirms will place them in a Europa Conference League play off against the team finishing fourth in the top half league.
Yeah, exigo is right. This is off Wiki:
'The 4th-placed team of the championship round advances to a play-off match against the winning team of the qualification round (no. 7) in a single-leg tie, with the team from the championship round as hosts. The winner earns a place in the Europa Conference League second qualifying round.'
It's also on the Flashscore table. I guess it gives a reward to winning the relegation group.
Post by: Rory on June 03, 2023, 07:17:00 PM
When is CDBullyWee coming back anyway? He's missed.
It's Rory's fault.
He messaged me in February to say he couldn't take any more of LeeB's caravan anecdotes.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 03, 2023, 07:24:11 PM
When is CDBullyWee coming back anyway? He's missed.
It's Rory's fault.
He messaged me in February to say he couldn't take any more of LeeB's caravan anecdotes.
I reckon it was learning of his property empire that tipped him over the edge.
Post by: Rory on June 03, 2023, 08:28:19 PM
When is CDBullyWee coming back anyway? He's missed.
It's Rory's fault.
He messaged me in February to say he couldn't take any more of LeeB's caravan anecdotes.
I reckon it was learning of his property empire that tipped him over the edge.
That was a blow to us all.
Post by: LeeB on June 03, 2023, 08:32:22 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 03, 2023, 09:44:34 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 04, 2023, 05:33:05 PM
Look, providing Internet service was never part of the agreement, and sharing with 17 other occupants would choke the speeds anyway
Landlord scum.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 04, 2023, 09:04:09 PM
Apologies exigo. They changed the rules when the conference league was introduced. I apparently wasn't paying attention. Anyway. Yesterday's result just confirmed that FCM finish in 7th with more points than the teams in 5th and 6th thanks to the crap way they decide things over here.Yes, and now Midtjylland have won, we could do with them losing that play-off and Fenerbahce winning the Turkish Cup.That's the relegation half of the league. The league splits in 2 after 22 games. Midtjylland will finish top of the bottom half.
Which the article confirms will place them in a Europa Conference League play off against the team finishing fourth in the top half league.
Yeah, exigo is right. This is off Wiki:
'The 4th-placed team of the championship round advances to a play-off match against the winning team of the qualification round (no. 7) in a single-leg tie, with the team from the championship round as hosts. The winner earns a place in the Europa Conference League second qualifying round.'
It's also on the Flashscore table. I guess it gives a reward to winning the relegation group.
Anyway the qualification game is Friday at 5pm UK time between FCM and Viborg who West Ham beat twice this year.
Post by: Steve67 on June 04, 2023, 09:47:03 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on June 04, 2023, 10:18:02 PM
Post by: Steve67 on June 04, 2023, 10:21:02 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 04, 2023, 10:23:13 PM
Post by: eamonn on June 04, 2023, 10:24:09 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on June 04, 2023, 10:55:23 PM
After Roma's result, looks like Juve will be joining us.
At least they won't have Platini, Boniek and Rossi this time!
Post by: Drummond on June 04, 2023, 11:07:58 PM
Who would David Platt cheer for ?
ABV I reckon.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 04, 2023, 11:08:24 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 05, 2023, 06:36:48 AM
Could we get them in the play off round?
If we're unseeded, yes.
Post by: john e on June 05, 2023, 10:05:18 AM
Knock them out
Then get drawn in a group with
Eintracht Frankfurt
Fanerbache
Partisan Belgrade
Club Bruges
Then to Progress through to a final with rapid Vienna
Just to spice things up a bit
(I know this can’t happen really because of the group seedings)
Post by: OCD on June 05, 2023, 11:09:11 AM
Post by: rob_bridge on June 05, 2023, 11:17:35 AM
Who would David Platt cheer for ?
Man Utd and Arsenal
Post by: Dave on June 05, 2023, 01:30:49 PM
For Villa to become seeded this week, first Viborg need to defeat Midtjylland on Friday, and then Fenerbahçe to defeat Başakşehir on Sunday.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fx2KCMKWcAAbVXa?format=png)
So, on the currently projected list:
- Villa will go one place up if both Midtjylland and Başakşehir lose this week
- Villa will stay on the same place if only one of these happens
- Villa will go one place down if both Midtjylland and Başakşehir win this week
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fx2MOe1WcAMwN1I?format=png)
If Aston Villa stay on the top of unseeded list after this week, then one of nine teams in orange will have to be eliminated in the UECL - QR2 for Villa to become seeded.
If Aston Villa go one place down this week, then two of nine teams would have to be eliminated.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fx2OTN7WcAEQwvm?format=png)
Aston Villa could also become seeded if UEFA suspends Juventus from European competitions.
Then Juventus would be replaced by Fiorentina (who would be placed behind Villa) or there would be movements in the draw if there is no Seria A team in it (if Fiorentina win UECL).
https://twitter.com/UefaRankings/status/1665647579793637376
Post by: olaftab on June 05, 2023, 01:41:37 PM
So teams with 2* start in QR2 and teams with 3* start in QR3 when do teams with no * start? QR1?
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 05, 2023, 01:48:46 PM
Post by: Drummond on June 05, 2023, 01:55:13 PM
Post by: Bad English on June 05, 2023, 01:58:34 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on June 05, 2023, 02:02:03 PM
I'm just going to wait for the fixture announcement on Pravda. This is more complicated than the plot of Catch 22.
Yes, absolutely right. But surely the plot of Catch 22 isn't that complicated?
Post by: john e on June 05, 2023, 02:04:41 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on June 05, 2023, 02:27:08 PM
Russia would have been perfect, if not for that fucking scrote, Putin.
Kazakhstan will have to do. Or Finland.
I had a dream that we played in Israel.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2023, 02:31:04 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on June 05, 2023, 02:38:13 PM
I think next season we need to try and consolidate our place in the league and ensure we have european football the following season too. I know everyone wants to win it, but if a good run comes at the expense of a good league position, we will have taken a step backwards.
It will take us a few seasons to build to the point we can challenge on all fronts.
Post by: Bad English on June 05, 2023, 02:43:34 PM
Confusing then. Jeez.I'm just going to wait for the fixture announcement on Pravda. This is more complicated than the plot of Catch 22.
Yes, absolutely right. But surely the plot of Catch 22 isn't that complicated?
Post by: Dogtanian on June 05, 2023, 02:52:16 PM
Confusing then. Jeez.I'm just going to wait for the fixture announcement on Pravda. This is more complicated than the plot of Catch 22.
Yes, absolutely right. But surely the plot of Catch 22 isn't that complicated?
It's the greatest catch there is! ;D
Post by: exigo on June 05, 2023, 03:24:05 PM
I'm just going to wait for the fixture announcement on Pravda. This is more complicated than the plot of Catch 22.
Yes, absolutely right. But surely the plot of Catch 22 isn't that complicated?
I reckon Europa Conference League 23/24 were the sequels to Catch 22.
Post by: Dogtanian on June 05, 2023, 03:28:42 PM
I'm just going to wait for the fixture announcement on Pravda. This is more complicated than the plot of Catch 22.
Yes, absolutely right. But surely the plot of Catch 22 isn't that complicated?
I reckon Europa Conference League 23/24 were the sequels to Catch 22.
Where are the Rapid Viennas of yesteryear?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 05, 2023, 04:18:50 PM
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on June 05, 2023, 04:44:21 PM
Post by: LeeB on June 05, 2023, 04:51:40 PM
https://twitter.com/tomberry76/status/1665362628892295169?s=46&t=fPyiXcae7CCzHj_x8UdphA
Marvellous, I put in the 'things that make you smile' thread a bit earlier
Post by: Paul.S on June 05, 2023, 06:06:40 PM
https://twitter.com/tomberry76/status/1665362628892295169?s=46&t=fPyiXcae7CCzHj_x8UdphA
Fantastic!!!!!
Post by: exigo on June 05, 2023, 06:21:52 PM
I can see Fenerbahce winning just not Tuborg.
We don't care about Tuborg. It's Viborg who need to win.
Post by: eamonn on June 05, 2023, 10:18:47 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2023, 10:19:47 PM
Post by: Drummond on June 05, 2023, 11:43:36 PM
Isn’t is massively ace chewing on this subject than wondering what could have been? Or how we avoid relegation again next season.
I wonder when we'll reach the magic 40 points...
Post by: algy on June 06, 2023, 07:34:54 AM
Tuborg are like, totally tubular.Tuborg's a Danish beer. Tastes like a shit version of Carlsberg Export.
Post by: Risso on June 06, 2023, 10:25:36 AM
Post by: Risso on June 06, 2023, 10:26:31 AM
Isn’t is massively ace chewing on this subject than wondering what could have been? Or how we avoid relegation again next season.
I wonder when we'll reach the magic 40 points...
Game 14 would be my guess.
Post by: olaftab on June 06, 2023, 11:27:30 AM
I just want to play someone in a place that isn't too far from Tokyo.You do realise it's called Europa CL? But it's a shame that Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk Albion are not on the list as it would be a skip and jump from Wakkanai ;D
Russia would have been perfect, if not for that fucking scrote, Putin.
Kazakhstan will have to do. Or Finland.
I had a dream that we played in Israel.
Post by: olaftab on June 06, 2023, 11:28:59 AM
Do you really think we will drop 2 points Luton away in game 12?Isn’t is massively ace chewing on this subject than wondering what could have been? Or how we avoid relegation again next season.
I wonder when we'll reach the magic 40 points...
Game 14 would be my guess.
Post by: Risso on June 06, 2023, 11:50:42 AM
Post by: Clampy on June 06, 2023, 01:14:27 PM
Tuborg are like, totally tubular.Tuborg's a Danish beer. Tastes like a shit version of Carlsberg Export.
Isnt that the kind of stuff they sell in council estate pubs and dodgy holiday parks?
Post by: eamonn on June 06, 2023, 01:26:10 PM
Do you really think we will drop 2 points Luton away in game 12?Isn’t is massively ace chewing on this subject than wondering what could have been? Or how we avoid relegation again next season.
I wonder when we'll reach the magic 40 points...
Game 14 would be my guess.
Curse of the ex-player. Nakamba header on 88' to level it up at 2-2. Emery will shrug it off and win the following week at the Etihad.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 06, 2023, 01:31:23 PM
Post by: eamonn on June 06, 2023, 01:33:35 PM
Post by: algy on June 06, 2023, 06:06:27 PM
Probably.Tuborg are like, totally tubular.Tuborg's a Danish beer. Tastes like a shit version of Carlsberg Export.
Isnt that the kind of stuff they sell in council estate pubs and dodgy holiday parks?
(https://www.my-food-online.net/media/image/56/58/e8/Tuborg_12x1Liter_Dose.jpg)
Don't be fooled by the "premium quality" bit. It's genuinely awful.
Post by: Monty on June 06, 2023, 06:07:12 PM
Post by: AV82EC on June 06, 2023, 07:31:32 PM
Post by: Dave P on June 06, 2023, 09:14:56 PM
I remember drinking that at some gig I went to about 10 years ago and the best I could say is it wasn’t quite as bad as Carlsberg.
They always used to sell it at the Academy. Warm, flat and in a plastic pint cup. Bargain at £6
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 06, 2023, 11:07:46 PM
Tuborg are like, totally tubular.Tuborg's a Danish beer. Tastes like a shit version of Carlsberg Export.
Isnt that the kind of stuff they sell in council estate pubs and dodgy holiday parks?
LeeB's your man to answer this question. When he's not in his caravan he's evicting one of his many tenants.
Tuborg used to have the festival market sewn up 10-15 years ago. It tastes better when it's free.
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 07, 2023, 01:06:49 AM
Post by: eamonn on June 07, 2023, 10:01:41 AM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 07, 2023, 11:13:16 AM
Probably.Tuborg are like, totally tubular.Tuborg's a Danish beer. Tastes like a shit version of Carlsberg Export.
Isnt that the kind of stuff they sell in council estate pubs and dodgy holiday parks?
(https://www.my-food-online.net/media/image/56/58/e8/Tuborg_12x1Liter_Dose.jpg)
Don't be fooled by the "premium quality" bit. It's genuinely awful.
Agreed. It's basically carlsberg in a different can.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 07, 2023, 11:30:47 AM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on June 07, 2023, 02:42:51 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on June 07, 2023, 02:47:59 PM
I remember drinking Tuborg Gold in the pub at lunchtime when in sixth form, so 1978.
Back then anything that wasn’t Skol or Carling Black Label was considered exotic and the height of sophistication.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on June 07, 2023, 03:43:23 PM
Post by: eamonn on June 07, 2023, 05:19:46 PM
I remember drinking Tuborg Gold in the pub at lunchtime when in sixth form, so 1978.
Back then anything that wasn’t Skol or Carling Black Label was considered exotic and the height of sophistication.
But you'd get called a poof for drinking it? Halcyon days...
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on June 07, 2023, 05:46:41 PM
Anyone fancy a Hofmeister?
Follow the bear…
Post by: trinityoap on June 07, 2023, 06:26:21 PM
Post by: four fornicholl on June 07, 2023, 06:28:01 PM
Post by: johnc on June 07, 2023, 06:34:57 PM
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 07, 2023, 07:07:03 PM
I remember drinking Tuborg Gold in the pub at lunchtime when in sixth form, so 1978.
Back then anything that wasn’t Skol or Carling Black Label was considered exotic and the height of sophistication.
Draft Lowenbrau is the exotic one I remember from those days. Used to be next to the Double Diamond tap.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 07, 2023, 07:10:45 PM
I had a dream that we played in Israel.
Were all the Villa fans waving anti-Apartheid flags?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 07, 2023, 07:53:57 PM
Whatever happened to Hemeling? And why did it take so long?
Was that the one that Lawrie McMenemy used to advertise?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 07, 2023, 07:56:09 PM
Whatever happened to Hemeling? And why did it take so long?
Was that the one that Lawrie McMenemy used to advertise?
Barbican?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 07, 2023, 07:57:32 PM
I assumed he'd have gone toes up years ago, but apparently still around at 86.
Post by: Steve67 on June 07, 2023, 10:11:03 PM
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 07, 2023, 10:12:13 PM
West Ham won it, they step up to the Europa League rather than the Conference?Yes.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 07, 2023, 10:13:16 PM
West Ham won it, they step up to the Europa League rather than the Conference?
Win the Europa next season and they'll be in the CL.
Post by: Steve67 on June 07, 2023, 10:13:35 PM
West Ham won it, they step up to the Europa League rather than the Conference?Yes.
Thanks for confirming. Hope two claret and blue clubs in a row.
Post by: curiousorange on June 07, 2023, 10:31:40 PM
West Ham won it, they step up to the Europa League rather than the Conference?
Win the Europa next season and they'll be in the CL.
There's a better chance of Lord Lucan doing crowd control on Shergar at that final than West Ham reaching the Champions League through it.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 07, 2023, 10:53:56 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 07, 2023, 11:24:11 PM
West Ham won it, they step up to the Europa League rather than the Conference?
Win the Europa next season and they'll be in the CL.
There's a better chance of Lord Lucan doing crowd control on Shergar at that final than West Ham reaching the Champions League through it.
They did well in it last season and the quality of the final this season was piss poor. It's nowhere near that level of impossibility, it's much more likely than finishing 4th.
Post by: Ads on June 07, 2023, 11:37:30 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on June 08, 2023, 01:34:28 AM
Rangers reached the final last year, and they aren't a better side than West Ham. And the quality of the final this year was wank. I think it's unlikely they'll win it but it's a possibility.
The 'mighty YNWA reds' are in it next season, so will likely be one of the favourites. Will be interesting to see how Brighton fare as well.
Post by: Leicester_Villian on June 08, 2023, 09:35:42 AM
Post by: darren woolley on June 08, 2023, 09:36:47 AM
Post by: Dr Butler on June 08, 2023, 09:43:02 AM
well done West Ham....it is going to be hell down here for a few months as they bang on and on and on about it as there are alot of WHU supporters here in Cambridgeshire :(
UTV
The Doc
Post by: amfy on June 08, 2023, 09:52:25 AM
Post by: exigo on June 08, 2023, 09:56:01 AM
Just checked details of the final ....29th May in Athens ...... might gamble and get flights booked to Greece or book a weeks holiday and do an internal flight
My wedding anniversary. The Mrs has already seen through my offer of a long weekend in Athens to celebrate.
Post by: JD on June 08, 2023, 10:11:51 AM
Post by: Risso on June 08, 2023, 10:15:09 AM
Post by: Risso on June 08, 2023, 10:17:54 AM
Post by: JD on June 08, 2023, 10:20:50 AM
What does West Ham winning do, if anything, to the complicated maths about our seeding or otherwise? Is there an upside to those twats winning it?
It shouldn't matter Risso, we are Aston Villa we will beat everyone.
The seedings for this competition need an Alan Turing brain to work out.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 08, 2023, 10:25:53 AM
5th gets Champions League football next year doesn't it?
That's a good point.
Uefa from end of next season going to give two extra places to leagues that have highest co-efficients I think so I assume West Ham and inevitably Man. City winning their respective competitions pushes premier league as one of those leagues unless it's some weird formula they use?
Post by: Dave on June 08, 2023, 10:29:38 AM
5th gets Champions League football next year doesn't it?
That's a good point.
Uefa from end of next season going to give two extra places to leagues that have highest co-efficients I think so I assume West Ham and inevitably Man. City winning their respective competitions pushes premier league as one of those leagues unless it's some weird formula they use?
England is miles ahead of Spain in second already, so this season will push to gap from first two second bigger than the gap from second to fourth.
Post by: Axl Rose on June 08, 2023, 10:31:53 AM
Going to book flights and a hotel *just in case*. Worst case scenario is I get a few days in Athens, somewhere I've never been.
I think I'll do the same. An epic adventure on the cards!
Post by: rougegorge on June 08, 2023, 10:32:39 AM
No change. Still supporting Viborg tomorrow and Fenerbahce on Sunday to get us a seeded place.What does West Ham winning do, if anything, to the complicated maths about our seeding or otherwise? Is there an upside to those twats winning it?
It shouldn't matter Risso, we are Aston Villa we will beat everyone.
The seedings for this competition need an Alan Turing brain to work out.
Post by: LeeB on June 08, 2023, 10:34:32 AM
Going to book flights and a hotel *just in case*. Worst case scenario is I get a few days in Athens, somewhere I've never been.
I think I'll do the same. An epic adventure on the cards!
I'm going to do it by boat, like Jason and the Argonauts
Post by: Axl Rose on June 08, 2023, 10:40:12 AM
Going to book flights and a hotel *just in case*. Worst case scenario is I get a few days in Athens, somewhere I've never been.
I think I'll do the same. An epic adventure on the cards!
I'm going to do it by boat, like Jason and the Argonauts
Now you're talking, mate!
Post by: Baldy on June 08, 2023, 10:44:17 AM
Might be worth checking if Athens becomes real.
Post by: LeeB on June 08, 2023, 10:49:37 AM
Going to book flights and a hotel *just in case*. Worst case scenario is I get a few days in Athens, somewhere I've never been.
I think I'll do the same. An epic adventure on the cards!
I'm going to do it by boat, like Jason and the Argonauts
Now you're talking, mate!
Drop some acid before leaving port, fuck up the bronze giant, get the fleece, in the bar singing HEITS by lunchtime
Post by: Axl Rose on June 08, 2023, 10:55:17 AM
Going to book flights and a hotel *just in case*. Worst case scenario is I get a few days in Athens, somewhere I've never been.
I think I'll do the same. An epic adventure on the cards!
I'm going to do it by boat, like Jason and the Argonauts
Now you're talking, mate!
Drop some acid before leaving port, fuck up the bronze giant, get the fleece, in the bar singing HEITS by lunchtime
:D
Where do I sign up for your crew?
Post by: LeeB on June 08, 2023, 11:05:11 AM
Going to book flights and a hotel *just in case*. Worst case scenario is I get a few days in Athens, somewhere I've never been.
I think I'll do the same. An epic adventure on the cards!
I'm going to do it by boat, like Jason and the Argonauts
Now you're talking, mate!
Drop some acid before leaving port, fuck up the bronze giant, get the fleece, in the bar singing HEITS by lunchtime
:D
Where do I sign up for your crew?
Welcome aboard Vice Admiral!
Post by: algy on June 08, 2023, 11:05:43 AM
Read this morning loads of West Ham fans flew to Dublin and got connection to Prague. Apparently much cheaper then flying direct from UK.For the eternally optimistic, you can do it by rail:
Might be worth checking if Athens becomes real.
https://www.seat61.com/Greece.htm
It's worth checking against other options, but you can do it on a 5 day* interrail pass which covers rail & ferries for under 300€:
https://www.interrail.eu/en/interrail-passes/global-pass
You'll need to get a seat reservation for the Eurostar, though, which costs an extra 20€ or something each way. You can use it in your own country for the first/last journey of the trip, e.g. it covers you going from Witton station to London St Pancras, as long as you go a reasonably direct route - and will cover the journey home too.
Interrail passes cover a return journey in your own country, so e.g. you could use them to go Birmingham -> London St Pancras, then London St Pancras -> Birmingham on the way back.
* you actually need 6 days travel, but you're probably best off buying the last leg on the way there as a single which'll be like 9€ as opposed to spending an extra 60€ on a longer pass. It may well be cheaper to buy individual advanced tickets for this, but it gives an upper limit as to what you'd pay to get there by land.
Post by: j66acd on June 08, 2023, 11:12:35 AM
Just checked details of the final ....29th May in Athens ...... might gamble and get flights booked to Greece or book a weeks holiday and do an internal flight
I mentioned the same to my wife, she wasn’t impressed. It’s also half term so prices are likely to be high.
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on June 08, 2023, 11:22:40 AM
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on June 08, 2023, 11:26:14 AM
5th gets Champions League football next year doesn't it?
I thought this, however someone on here said that was wrong as although England will get a 5th team in the CL, it won’t necessarily mean the 5th place team but a team with the highest coefficient who didn’t qualify. Therefore this year it would have been Chelsea!
So I obviously hope this is wrong and you are right!
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 08, 2023, 11:26:44 AM
Im in, but not as cabin boy.Going to book flights and a hotel *just in case*. Worst case scenario is I get a few days in Athens, somewhere I've never been.
I think I'll do the same. An epic adventure on the cards!
I'm going to do it by boat, like Jason and the Argonauts
Now you're talking, mate!
Drop some acid before leaving port, fuck up the bronze giant, get the fleece, in the bar singing HEITS by lunchtime
:D
Where do I sign up for your crew?
Welcome aboard Vice Admiral!
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2023, 11:30:28 AM
Their general line of thought seems to be that if we got drawn against them, we would win, we're the strongest team in the competition, and with Emery, we've practically got it won before a ball is kicked.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 08, 2023, 11:32:29 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 08, 2023, 11:39:22 AM
Post by: Monty on June 08, 2023, 11:40:19 AM
I spent some time earlier looking at some Juventus forums (I know, it's a slow day) to see what they were saying about the Conference League next year.
Their general line of thought seems to be that if we got drawn against them, we would win, we're the strongest team in the competition, and with Emery, we've practically got it won before a ball is kicked.
This needs to be leavened a bit by the fact that Juve fans are having an enormous strop right now, just absolutely wallowing in self-pity.
Post by: LeeB on June 08, 2023, 11:41:01 AM
I spent some time earlier looking at some Juventus forums (I know, it's a slow day) to see what they were saying about the Conference League next year.
Their general line of thought seems to be that if we got drawn against them, we would win, we're the strongest team in the competition, and with Emery, we've practically got it won before a ball is kicked.
See, I know there are macro issues around the comparitive financial strengths of the English and Italian games, but the thought of Juventus shitting themselves about facing us is both a testament to Emery's work and a complete headfuck.
Post by: Dogtanian on June 08, 2023, 11:42:48 AM
This over confidence is going to bite us in the ass.
Yup.
Plus, if we did a WHAM! and won the bloody thing while showing everyone how shit we really are by dropping down the league table, all the good work we are doing to increase revenue and be attractive to a better class of players goes out the window.
The priority next season must be to show that we are serious about breaking into the top six, continue building our revenue and reputation, and use that to help build a squad capable of competing on multiple fronts.
I know we all want a trophy. But if that comes with a 14th place finish, it's too big a price to pay.
Post by: LeeB on June 08, 2023, 11:44:14 AM
This over confidence is going to bite us in the ass.
Yup.
Plus, if we did a WHAM! and won the bloody thing while showing everyone how shit we really are by dropping down the league table, all the good work we are doing to increase revenue and be attractive to a better class of players goes out the window.
The priority next season must be to show that we are serious about breaking into the top six, continue building our revenue and reputation, and use that to help build a squad capable of competing on multiple fronts.
I know we all want a trophy. But if that comes with a 14th place finish, it's too big a price to pay.
With respect, is it bollocks. The point of football is winning trophies.
Post by: Dave on June 08, 2023, 11:44:27 AM
Plus, if we did a WHAM! and won the bloody thing while showing everyone how shit we really are by dropping down the league table, all the good work we are doing to increase revenue and be attractive to a better class of players goes out the window.
The priority next season must be to show that we are serious about breaking into the top six, continue building our revenue and reputation, and use that to help build a squad capable of competing on multiple fronts.
I know we all want a trophy. But if that comes with a 14th place finish, it's too big a price to pay.
Is there anything that suggests that West Ham's extra European games are anything to do with their league performance?
Post by: LeeB on June 08, 2023, 11:46:39 AM
Plus, if we did a WHAM! and won the bloody thing while showing everyone how shit we really are by dropping down the league table, all the good work we are doing to increase revenue and be attractive to a better class of players goes out the window.
The priority next season must be to show that we are serious about breaking into the top six, continue building our revenue and reputation, and use that to help build a squad capable of competing on multiple fronts.
I know we all want a trophy. But if that comes with a 14th place finish, it's too big a price to pay.
Is there anything that suggests that West Ham's extra European games are anything to do with their league performance?
The got to the semi final of the higher competition last year whilst finishing 7th, which seems to be forgotten by all those making that point.
They're 14th because they made some bad signings, not because of being in Europe.
Post by: Dogtanian on June 08, 2023, 11:52:39 AM
I'm saying that if it comes to a choice between where we focus, at this point in time we need to choose the Premier League.
Post by: Risso on June 08, 2023, 11:58:12 AM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on June 08, 2023, 12:04:31 PM
He's already proven with last seasons squad that players can seamlessly adapt to coming into the team.
We're clearly a season ahead of schedule anyway and I can't wait.
I think we could be top 6 plus some very strong Cup runs for next season.
Post by: olaftab on June 08, 2023, 12:05:34 PM
Post by: olaftab on June 08, 2023, 12:06:14 PM
I spent some time earlier looking at some Juventus forums (I know, it's a slow day) to see what they were saying about the Conference League next year.I agree with that and there is nothing wrong with overconfidence. I am NOT cancelling my hotel in Athens.
Their general line of thought seems to be that if we got drawn against them, we would win, we're the strongest team in the competition, and with Emery, we've practically got it won before a ball is kicked.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 08, 2023, 12:16:40 PM
Yes, it would be good to add the trophy to our list but I wouldn't be as over the top celebrating as though it was some massive achievement if we did win it. Besides, we'll still be celebrating the League, FA cup and League cup wins.
Post by: Risso on June 08, 2023, 12:24:15 PM
I spent some time earlier looking at some Juventus forums (I know, it's a slow day) to see what they were saying about the Conference League next year.I agree with that and there is nothing wrong with overconfidence. I am NOT cancelling my hotel in Athens.
Their general line of thought seems to be that if we got drawn against them, we would win, we're the strongest team in the competition, and with Emery, we've practically got it won before a ball is kicked.
I look forward to seeing you there!
Post by: Drummond on June 08, 2023, 12:27:50 PM
West Ham's form picked up quite noticeably from about March onwards, which would suggest that it wasn't tiredness or being in Europe that caused their shit first half of the season form.
It was the lack of Danny Ings in their squad..
Post by: rooboy316 on June 08, 2023, 12:36:18 PM
Read this morning loads of West Ham fans flew to Dublin and got connection to Prague. Apparently much cheaper then flying direct from UK.For the eternally optimistic, you can do it by rail:
Might be worth checking if Athens becomes real.
https://www.seat61.com/Greece.htm
It's worth checking against other options, but you can do it on a 5 day* interrail pass which covers rail & ferries for under 300€:
https://www.interrail.eu/en/interrail-passes/global-pass
You'll need to get a seat reservation for the Eurostar, though, which costs an extra 20€ or something each way. You can use it in your own country for the first/last journey of the trip, e.g. it covers you going from Witton station to London St Pancras, as long as you go a reasonably direct route - and will cover the journey home too.
Interrail passes cover a return journey in your own country, so e.g. you could use them to go Birmingham -> London St Pancras, then London St Pancras -> Birmingham on the way back.
* you actually need 6 days travel, but you're probably best off buying the last leg on the way there as a single which'll be like 9€ as opposed to spending an extra 60€ on a longer pass. It may well be cheaper to buy individual advanced tickets for this, but it gives an upper limit as to what you'd pay to get there by land.
Great bit of research and a wonderful option. Now if you could figure out something similar from Melbourne…
Post by: DeKuip on June 08, 2023, 12:39:18 PM
This over confidence is going to bite us in the ass.
Yup.
Plus, if we did a WHAM! and won the bloody thing while showing everyone how shit we really are by dropping down the league table, all the good work we are doing to increase revenue and be attractive to a better class of players goes out the window.
The priority next season must be to show that we are serious about breaking into the top six, continue building our revenue and reputation, and use that to help build a squad capable of competing on multiple fronts.
I know we all want a trophy. But if that comes with a 14th place finish, it's too big a price to pay.
With respect, is it bollocks. The point of football is winning trophies.
Is it? I bet Arsenal fans enjoyed their season game by game far more than West Ham fans did. And are looking forward to next season more.
I’ll take runners-up in all four competitions over winning a cup and getting relegated!
Post by: Risso on June 08, 2023, 12:44:56 PM
Is it? I bet Arsenal fans enjoyed their season game by game far more than West Ham fans did. And are looking forward to next season more.
I’ll take runners-up in all four competitions over winning a cup and getting relegated!
I bet West Hams fans (especially those in Prague) enjoyed last night more than Arsenal enjoyed any one match this year. Also, the record books now list them as a European trophy winner, something Arsenal have only ever done once, and that was 30 years ago. (Ignoring the Fairs Cup)
Post by: lovejoy on June 08, 2023, 12:45:35 PM
This over confidence is going to bite us in the ass.
Yup.
Plus, if we did a WHAM! and won the bloody thing while showing everyone how shit we really are by dropping down the league table, all the good work we are doing to increase revenue and be attractive to a better class of players goes out the window.
The priority next season must be to show that we are serious about breaking into the top six, continue building our revenue and reputation, and use that to help build a squad capable of competing on multiple fronts.
I know we all want a trophy. But if that comes with a 14th place finish, it's too big a price to pay.
With respect, is it bollocks. The point of football is winning trophies.
I disagree, who remembers the intertoto wins? League position and aspiring to the big boys cup is where it is at.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 08, 2023, 12:51:01 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on June 08, 2023, 01:03:24 PM
I want a cup, of course I do. But I want sustained success, and in the current footballing world that means a consistent top six finish as a foundation. Then you give yourself the best chance of winning multiple trophies.
Spurs have won jack shit in the last 10 years, but their turnover is over £500m while we are struggling to hit £200m. They are a more attractive destination for players, and they can afford them, despite having won nothing!
Now, I'd be bloody ashamed to have all that and win nothing, it takes a very special level of incompetence. But give Emery that kind of foundation and we'd win loads!
That's what I want. And I'd trade a cup in the next 12 months for it any day of the week.
Post by: Risso on June 08, 2023, 01:04:47 PM
Post by: Nev on June 08, 2023, 01:06:19 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on June 08, 2023, 01:08:06 PM
"And we're gonna shake 'em up when the turnover goes up"
;D
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 08, 2023, 01:10:11 PM
Post by: lovejoy on June 08, 2023, 01:11:40 PM
latter for me as the profile and money will enable us to improve. judging by the teams we put out pretty much all of our managers in recent years agree with that too.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 08, 2023, 01:17:45 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on June 08, 2023, 01:19:29 PM
I'd rather win trophies. I doubt anyone reminisces about seasons we made a tidy profit on the bank balance, they sure as fuck do about 75, 77, 81, 82, 94 and 96.
Again, completely missing the point...
Post by: LeeB on June 08, 2023, 01:20:05 PM
The Inter-Toto was a qualifier which is why no one remembers it with any great excitement. I have little doubt that the vast majority of us enjoyed winning the League Cup more in 94 and 96 than we did finishing 2nd and 4th around the same.
Exactly
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 08, 2023, 01:21:15 PM
I'd rather win trophies. I doubt anyone reminisces about seasons we made a tidy profit on the bank balance, they sure as fuck do about 75, 77, 81, 82, 94 and 96.
Again, completely missing the point...
It really isn't.
Post by: LeeB on June 08, 2023, 01:23:49 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on June 08, 2023, 01:25:23 PM
I'd rather win trophies. I doubt anyone reminisces about seasons we made a tidy profit on the bank balance, they sure as fuck do about 75, 77, 81, 82, 94 and 96.
Again, completely missing the point...
It really isn't.
Ah yes, you're arguing against the "finishing high in the league is better than winning a cup" point that literally nobody has made... ::)
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 08, 2023, 01:26:19 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 08, 2023, 01:27:07 PM
Ah yes, you're arguing against the "finishing high in the league is better than winning a cup" point that literally nobody has made... ::)
"I know we all want a trophy. But if that comes with a 14th place finish, it's too big a price to pay."
"I disagree, who remembers the intertoto wins? League position and aspiring to the big boys cup is where it is at."
Post by: Dogtanian on June 08, 2023, 01:29:54 PM
Ah yes, you're arguing against the "finishing high in the league is better than winning a cup" point that literally nobody has made... ::)
"I know we all want a trophy. But if that comes with a 14th place finish, it's too big a price to pay."
"I disagree, who remembers the intertoto wins? League position and aspiring to the big boys cup is where it is at."
Yep, '...if that comes with..'
You're oversimplifying what I've said by ignoring all of my reasoning, hence missing the actual point.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 08, 2023, 01:31:19 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on June 08, 2023, 01:35:43 PM
It wasn't you that said those. So no, i'm not missing the point as I wasn't replying to you.
Except I did say the first thing..
But it's cool, you can win if you want! 8)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 08, 2023, 01:37:09 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 08, 2023, 01:50:55 PM
'Two places are reserved for the two countries with the highest coefficient score in current season.'
So previous seasons don't matter, and:
'The total points earned by every nation’s clubs - with bonus points for reaching certain stages plus match-related points - are divided by the number of sides in European competitions.'
So the advantage of having more teams in European competitions is weighted out.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2023, 02:17:08 PM
We finished 11th the year we won the European Cup.
I wonder how many people were saying "Ah, it's all well and good, but look at the league table) this time 41 years ago.
And I know, football has changed, top four yada yada yada, but this it is so long since we won anything at all, and this is a prestigious European competition - one which, if you win it, guarantees you entry into the Europa League the next season anyway!
Post by: Smithy on June 08, 2023, 02:33:35 PM
Ah yes, you're arguing against the "finishing high in the league is better than winning a cup" point that literally nobody has made... ::)
"I know we all want a trophy. But if that comes with a 14th place finish, it's too big a price to pay."
"I disagree, who remembers the intertoto wins? League position and aspiring to the big boys cup is where it is at."
Yep, '...if that comes with..'
You're oversimplifying what I've said by ignoring all of my reasoning, hence missing the actual point.
I think you're both right. It's about winning trophies, that's the most important thing. Definitely. But also, sometimes missing out on a trophy can be better for the team in the longer term. I doubt there's a Villa fan alive who now wishes they could go back and win the play-off final against Fulham, for example. It's not saying it's exactly the same thing, obviously, but I can see the logic in arguing that you'd take a champions league place via the league, ahead of winning the Europa Conference, IF it kick-started a process that meant the team would be stronger and more competitive for the next four or five years and beyond.
Would you sacrifice a chance of winning a trophy if it significantly increased your chances of winning the next 20 trophies we competed for, domestically and in Europe? I'm not sure I would, personally, but I can totally see the logic for those that would.
All that said, Emery strikes me as the sort of manager who would rather have a European trophy on his CV than a top 4 league finish.
Post by: algy on June 08, 2023, 02:37:21 PM
Screw it, you're right. Booked a (cancellable) hotel in Athens. I ain't missing out on this one like I missed out on the last one*.I spent some time earlier looking at some Juventus forums (I know, it's a slow day) to see what they were saying about the Conference League next year.I agree with that and there is nothing wrong with overconfidence. I am NOT cancelling my hotel in Athens.
Their general line of thought seems to be that if we got drawn against them, we would win, we're the strongest team in the competition, and with Emery, we've practically got it won before a ball is kicked.
* admittedly I was less than 3 weeks old at the time, so maybe it was justifiable that I wasn't taken to Rotterdam, but still ...
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For the record, I accept both sides of the argument about league vs cups, and think we should just come to a compromise and we just decide to win everything.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on June 08, 2023, 02:48:20 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2023, 02:57:33 PM
Screw it, you're right. Booked a (cancellable) hotel in Athens. I ain't missing out on this one like I missed out on the last one*.I spent some time earlier looking at some Juventus forums (I know, it's a slow day) to see what they were saying about the Conference League next year.I agree with that and there is nothing wrong with overconfidence. I am NOT cancelling my hotel in Athens.
Their general line of thought seems to be that if we got drawn against them, we would win, we're the strongest team in the competition, and with Emery, we've practically got it won before a ball is kicked.
I've just applied for Greek citizenship so I don't get stuck in a queue at Athens airport with thousands of Brexit casualties.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 08, 2023, 02:59:23 PM
Now of course as others have said it's not mutually exclusive and I'd love us to win a pot. But if presented as an 'either or' conundrum, right now I'd prefer an established place at the top table.
Declan Rice has just lifted a trophy, and it's been a brilliant adventure for the fans - but he'll leave this summer. I want us to be in an established position where our best players want to stay. Ultimately that means being in the CL. Once we are, trophies should follow.
Post by: The Man With A Stick on June 08, 2023, 03:15:05 PM
Finishing in the top 4 would be great but I'd rather have a shiny pot to look at personally.
Post by: cdward on June 08, 2023, 03:16:44 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 08, 2023, 04:21:35 PM
Goal Keepers
Martinez/ Raya
Defence
Foyth/Cash
Pau Torres/Konsa
I'm Eric laporte/Mings
Moreno/Digne
Midfield /Attack
Tielmans/Kamara
Guendouzi/Luiz
Lo Celso /Buendia
McGinn/Ward Prowse
Nico Williams/Bailey/Lee Kang Inn
Ramsey/Barnes/Alberto Moleiro
Pedro Goncalves /Coutinho/Summerville
Strikers
Santiago Giménez/Watkins/Archer/Marcus Thuram
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 08, 2023, 04:59:54 PM
This is the sort of size and quality of Squad needed for Europe and to still compete in the Prem
Goal Keepers
Martinez/ Raya
Defence
Foyth/Cash
Pau Torres/Konsa
I'm Eric laporte/Mings
Moreno/Digne
Midfield /Attack
Tielmans/Kamara
Guendouzi/Luiz
Lo Celso /Buendia
McGinn/Ward Prowse
Nico Williams/Bailey/Lee Kang Inn
Ramsey/Barnes/Alberto Moleiro
Pedro Goncalves /Coutinho/Summerville
Strikers
Santiago Giménez/Watkins/Archer/Marcus Thuram
So we need to sign around 15 players?
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 08, 2023, 05:16:03 PM
I've doubled that but would think unlikely. I do think there's a chance of the 15 named some will be coming in.
Post by: rob_bridge on June 08, 2023, 05:22:32 PM
This is the sort of size and quality of Squad needed for Europe and to still compete in the Prem
Goal Keepers
Martinez/ Raya
Defence
Foyth/Cash
Pau Torres/Konsa
I'm Eric laporte/Mings
Moreno/Digne
Midfield /Attack
Tielmans/Kamara
Guendouzi/Luiz
Lo Celso /Buendia
McGinn/Ward Prowse
Nico Williams/Bailey/Lee Kang Inn
Ramsey/Barnes/Alberto Moleiro
Pedro Goncalves /Coutinho/Summerville
Strikers
Santiago Giménez/Watkins/Archer/Marcus Thuram
So we need to sign around 15 players?
And at least double the wage bill whilst the very best we can hope for in terms of additional income is about 15%. I suppose we could always double ticket prices to pay the wages of half of the additions.
FFS - someone else who has been playing Championship Manager.
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 08, 2023, 05:34:42 PM
Monchi did a video content playing Football Manager 2021.This is the sort of size and quality of Squad needed for Europe and to still compete in the Prem
Goal Keepers
Martinez/ Raya
Defence
Foyth/Cash
Pau Torres/Konsa
I'm Eric laporte/Mings
Moreno/Digne
Midfield /Attack
Tielmans/Kamara
Guendouzi/Luiz
Lo Celso /Buendia
McGinn/Ward Prowse
Nico Williams/Bailey/Lee Kang Inn
Ramsey/Barnes/Alberto Moleiro
Pedro Goncalves /Coutinho/Summerville
Strikers
Santiago Giménez/Watkins/Archer/Marcus Thuram
So we need to sign around 15 players?
And at least double the wage bill whilst the very best we can hope for in terms of additional income is about 15%. I suppose we could always double ticket prices to pay the wages of half of the additions.
FFS - someone else who has been playing Championship Manager.
Post by: wince on June 08, 2023, 06:35:50 PM
We can do both. Or shall we qualify for Europe and then put it off for another day.? Let’s just go and try and win something next year. That’s how you attract investors players etcThis over confidence is going to bite us in the ass.
Yup.
Plus, if we did a WHAM! and won the bloody thing while showing everyone how shit we really are by dropping down the league table, all the good work we are doing to increase revenue and be attractive to a better class of players goes out the window.
The priority next season must be to show that we are serious about breaking into the top six, continue building our revenue and reputation, and use that to help build a squad capable of competing on multiple fronts.
I know we all want a trophy. But if that comes with a 14th place finish, it's too big a price to pay.
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 08, 2023, 06:50:54 PM
We can do both. Or shall we qualify for Europe and then put it off for another day.? Let’s just go and try and win something next year. That’s how you attract investors players etcThis over confidence is going to bite us in the ass.
Yup.
Plus, if we did a WHAM! and won the bloody thing while showing everyone how shit we really are by dropping down the league table, all the good work we are doing to increase revenue and be attractive to a better class of players goes out the window.
The priority next season must be to show that we are serious about breaking into the top six, continue building our revenue and reputation, and use that to help build a squad capable of competing on multiple fronts.
I know we all want a trophy. But if that comes with a 14th place finish, it's too big a price to pay.
That's why a big squad is needed with quality and football intelligence shining through.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 08, 2023, 06:51:22 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 08, 2023, 06:53:31 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 08, 2023, 07:01:55 PM
Considering how much we drone on and on about our one European trophy won so far, it's surprising to see the thought of winning another one brushed away if it might impact our league performance.
We finished 11th the year we won the European Cup.
I wonder how many people were saying "Ah, it's all well and good, but look at the league table) this time 41 years ago.
And I know, football has changed, top four yada yada yada, but this it is so long since we won anything at all, and this is a prestigious European competition - one which, if you win it, guarantees you entry into the Europa League the next season anyway!
Eh hem; 2 European trophies won...
Post by: eamonn on June 08, 2023, 07:54:39 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2023, 08:25:52 PM
Hang on....Footy had admitted that he is Eric Laporte. I'm trying to work out if that makes his posts all make sense now or not!
Google it, it's actually quite a funny story.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2023, 08:27:14 PM
It reminds me of Lew Grade's quip - "Raise the Titanic? It would have been cheaper to lower the Atlantic".
Post by: clash city rocker on June 08, 2023, 10:16:20 PM
Post by: exigo on June 09, 2023, 06:22:45 PM
Game's legit streaming on the Bet365 site.
Post by: OCD on June 09, 2023, 06:34:28 PM
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 09, 2023, 06:36:28 PM
Viborg v Midtjylland 0-0 after 20. Midtjylland are dirty bruisers, and the ref's letting them get away with it to some degree.Thanks for reminding me.
Game's legit streaming on the Bet365 site.
Most promising player to look out for is probably Gustav Isaksen, Midtjylland's right winger.
Post by: exigo on June 09, 2023, 06:46:27 PM
Post by: exigo on June 09, 2023, 06:47:03 PM
Post by: OCD on June 09, 2023, 06:57:07 PM
Emiliano Martinez has just been booked, as is traditional. Even if this one plays for Midtjylland.
Time-wasting?
This version keeps getting linked with Everton and West Ham. It shows up in the NewsNow results because of the name.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 09, 2023, 07:18:23 PM
I hope so, he's absolute toss from the FCM games I've seen.Emiliano Martinez has just been booked, as is traditional. Even if this one plays for Midtjylland.
Time-wasting?
This version keeps getting linked with Everton and West Ham. It shows up in the NewsNow results because of the name.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 09, 2023, 07:28:03 PM
Post by: Dave P on June 09, 2023, 07:29:02 PM
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 09, 2023, 07:31:48 PM
Post by: Lsvilla on June 09, 2023, 08:46:07 PM
Midtjylland 1-0 up. Bollocks.So does this now mean we get Juve in the play offs ?
Post by: Goldenballs on June 10, 2023, 08:32:19 AM
Seeded: Juventus, Eintracht Frankfurt, Lille, Club Brugge, Basel, Panathinaikos, AZ Alkmaar, Servette, Gent, Dynamo Kyiv, Istanbul Basaksehir, Fenerbahce, CFR Cluj, Midtjylland, Partizan Belgrade, PAOK, Maccabi Tel Aviv.
Unseeded: Aston Villa, Osasuna, Viktoria Plzen, Bodo/Glimt, Lech Poznan, Rapid Wien, Hapoel Beer Sheva, Djurgarden, APOEL, Besiktas, CSKA Sofia, Rijeka, Twente, Arouca, Vitoria Guimaraes, FCSB, Legia Warsaw.
Post by: Clampy on June 10, 2023, 08:33:56 AM
Post by: Goldenballs on June 10, 2023, 08:43:55 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-europa-conference-league-27090913.amp
Post by: AV82EC on June 10, 2023, 08:57:29 AM
Post by: algy on June 10, 2023, 09:05:13 AM
Post by: Bad English on June 10, 2023, 10:20:44 AM
Post by: Pete3206 on June 10, 2023, 12:16:05 PM
Post by: Dave P on June 10, 2023, 12:21:50 PM
Midtjylland 1-0 up. Bollocks.So does this now mean we get Juve in the play offs ?
Potentially BUT there are teams with a higher coefficient that play in earlier play off rounds so, if they get knocked out early, then we move up.
Post by: Lsvilla on June 10, 2023, 12:31:34 PM
Thanks. I understand the system - just preparing for the inevitable.Midtjylland 1-0 up. Bollocks.So does this now mean we get Juve in the play offs ?
Potentially BUT there are teams with a higher coefficient that play in earlier play off rounds so, if they get knocked out early, then we move up.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 10, 2023, 12:58:41 PM
Post by: Lucky Eddie on June 10, 2023, 01:10:19 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 10, 2023, 01:54:22 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on June 10, 2023, 02:13:35 PM
Post by: Gareth on June 10, 2023, 03:32:36 PM
I'll be interested to see if we are the favourites to win it when it kicks off. With Emery's pedigree you'd imagine we'd be in the top 3 or 4 with the bookies.
With the Uk bookies we will be but I’d guess German/Spanish bookies probably won’t rate us as highly
Post by: Smithy on June 10, 2023, 05:13:22 PM
I'll be interested to see if we are the favourites to win it when it kicks off. With Emery's pedigree you'd imagine we'd be in the top 3 or 4 with the bookies.
With the Uk bookies we will be but I’d guess German/Spanish bookies probably won’t rate us as highly
As someone who doesn't gamble, I've often wondered about stuff like this. Why wouldn't you just place your bet in the location where you get the best odds? Or play them off against each other if they offer such different odds? If they're not all the same odds (or close to it), surely it's a market rife for exploitation?
Post by: aldridgeboy on June 10, 2023, 05:17:46 PM
Post by: AV82EC on June 10, 2023, 05:21:39 PM
Isn't it strange that seeded teams have to play earlier rounds than we do?
They’re not seeded yet.
Post by: charlatan on June 10, 2023, 05:30:39 PM
Because it's a hassle having so many accounts and because betting in decent size only where a bookie's prices are unusually competitive is likely to have you marked down as shrewd and have your stakes limited pretty rapidly. I assume bookmakers offer different odds to people in different countries. So rather than having to create a domestic network of beards (people to put bets on for you where you've been closed down who you have to give a cut to until they get closed down whereupon you need to find more of them...), I suppose you would need an international network to fully exploit said international price variation.I'll be interested to see if we are the favourites to win it when it kicks off. With Emery's pedigree you'd imagine we'd be in the top 3 or 4 with the bookies.
With the Uk bookies we will be but I’d guess German/Spanish bookies probably won’t rate us as highly
As someone who doesn't gamble, I've often wondered about stuff like this. Why wouldn't you just place your bet in the location where you get the best odds? Or play them off against each other if they offer such different odds? If they're not all the same odds (or close to it), surely it's a market rife for exploitation?
Post by: Martyn Smith on June 10, 2023, 05:45:57 PM
Post by: Martyn Smith on June 10, 2023, 06:00:42 PM
We can do both. Or shall we qualify for Europe and then put it off for another day.? Let’s just go and try and win something next year. That’s how you attract investors players etcThis over confidence is going to bite us in the ass.
Yup.
Plus, if we did a WHAM! and won the bloody thing while showing everyone how shit we really are by dropping down the league table, all the good work we are doing to increase revenue and be attractive to a better class of players goes out the window.
The priority next season must be to show that we are serious about breaking into the top six, continue building our revenue and reputation, and use that to help build a squad capable of competing on multiple fronts.
I know we all want a trophy. But if that comes with a 14th place finish, it's too big a price to pay.
We could always just decide to want to win stuff for the sake of it. Novel idea, I know...
Post by: Martyn Smith on June 10, 2023, 06:03:09 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 10, 2023, 06:35:38 PM
As someone who doesn't gamble, I've often wondered about stuff like this. Why wouldn't you just place your bet in the location where you get the best odds? Or play them off against each other if they offer such different odds? If they're not all the same odds (or close to it), surely it's a market rife for exploitation?
Wait till you hear about the same flights having differing prices depending on your O&D (origin and/or destination).
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 10, 2023, 10:09:54 PM
Post by: algy on June 10, 2023, 10:58:48 PM
When I told the Missus this morning that I might be off to Athens at the end of next May it was met with a surprising amount of positivity…I might book up early just in case!That's been my approach. "Right, family holiday to Athens next May half term! What do you think?". Gone down well, particularly with the little girl who'd been made aware of why that night be a nice time to go but she definitely shouldn't tell mummy just yet :D
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 10, 2023, 11:24:53 PM
When I told the Missus this morning that I might be off to Athens at the end of next May it was met with a surprising amount of positivity…I might book up early just in case!That's been my approach. "Right, family holiday to Athens next May half term! What do you think?". Gone down well, particularly with the little girl who'd been made aware of why that night be a nice time to go but she definitely shouldn't tell mummy just yet :D
What’s the actual date of the final?
Post by: AV82EC on June 10, 2023, 11:29:10 PM
When I told the Missus this morning that I might be off to Athens at the end of next May it was met with a surprising amount of positivity…I might book up early just in case!That's been my approach. "Right, family holiday to Athens next May half term! What do you think?". Gone down well, particularly with the little girl who'd been made aware of why that night be a nice time to go but she definitely shouldn't tell mummy just yet :D
What’s the actual date of the final?
29th
Post by: olaftab on June 11, 2023, 12:17:42 AM
Post by: olaftab on June 11, 2023, 12:20:34 AM
Which stadium in Athens?What’s the actual date of the final?
29th
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 11, 2023, 01:22:09 AM
What’s the actual date of the final?
29th
Which stadium in Athens?
Agia Sophia Stadium (aka OPAP Arena) which is the home stadium of AEK Athens.
Post by: eamonn on June 11, 2023, 01:34:48 AM
Villa 1982 run now on ITV.
How did it end up?
Post by: Axl Rose on June 11, 2023, 01:52:51 AM
What’s the actual date of the final?
29th
Which stadium in Athens?
Agia Sophia Stadium (aka OPAP Arena) which is the home stadium of AEK Athens.
Looks as shit as Leicester's crisp bowl, with yellow seats.
Still, it won't matter when we're all drunk and naked, cavorting in the streets in celebration.
Post by: Rory on June 11, 2023, 04:06:02 AM
Give it five years, and the world will know our Unai could floss his teeth with that shiny-headed* manicured-bearded, cardigan-wearing tosser from the oil cheats.
But, such are his standards of hygiene, Unai would seek out a supplementary flossing material. Because a charlatan gobshite is not fecking substantial enough.
* Sorry Paddy.
Post by: olaftab on June 11, 2023, 09:03:20 AM
Of course, I knew that as the hotel I have previously booked is right next door😟What’s the actual date of the final?
29th
Which stadium in Athens?
Agia Sophia Stadium (aka OPAP Arena) which is the home stadium of AEK Athens.
Post by: Dave P on June 11, 2023, 09:10:49 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 11, 2023, 10:20:38 AM
I’m sort of glad West Ham won it this season now (I wasn’t much at the time) as the country can see its importance and significance. Yes it’s the 3rd tier European trophy but it’s a European trophy.
I view it as a European League Cup, not as prestigious as the 2 older trophies but would still be a very welcome addition to our trophy cabinet.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 11, 2023, 10:24:18 AM
Agia Sophia Stadium (aka OPAP Arena) which is the home stadium of AEK Athens.
Of course, I knew that as the hotel I have previously booked is right next door😟
Good man, I'll book mine this week once the we're within the 350 days window.
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 11, 2023, 11:39:15 AM
I am staying in Lee Bs floating caravan.Agia Sophia Stadium (aka OPAP Arena) which is the home stadium of AEK Athens.
Of course, I knew that as the hotel I have previously booked is right next door😟
Good man, I'll book mine this week once the we're within the 350 days window.
Post by: OCD on June 11, 2023, 02:49:32 PM
I’m sort of glad West Ham won it this season now (I wasn’t much at the time) as the country can see its importance and significance. Yes it’s the 3rd tier European trophy but it’s a European trophy.
For me, the overriding benefit was knowing that I imagine, at least, most of the Villa squad would have watched that and they'll have been thinking "I want some of that".
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2023, 03:28:12 PM
I’m sort of glad West Ham won it this season now (I wasn’t much at the time) as the country can see its importance and significance. Yes it’s the 3rd tier European trophy but it’s a European trophy.
I view it as a European League Cup, not as prestigious as the 2 older trophies but would still be a very welcome addition to our trophy cabinet.
I see it as same level as the original third competition, the CWC.
Post by: AV82EC on June 11, 2023, 03:35:39 PM
I’m sort of glad West Ham won it this season now (I wasn’t much at the time) as the country can see its importance and significance. Yes it’s the 3rd tier European trophy but it’s a European trophy.
I view it as a European League Cup, not as prestigious as the 2 older trophies but would still be a very welcome addition to our trophy cabinet.
I see it as same level as the original third competition, the CWC.
Is the correct answer.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2023, 06:22:19 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2023, 07:14:39 PM
Their owners are, though.
Post by: Bobby Boy on June 11, 2023, 07:41:07 PM
As far as I understand the mathematical equation anyway.
Post by: FatSam on June 11, 2023, 07:53:07 PM
I don't think West Ham fans are odious.Sure, we shouldn’t generalise, and I have WHU supporting mates, but I think it’s fair to say that the guys who launched projectiles at the Fiorentina players are odious.
Their owners are, though.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 11, 2023, 07:58:03 PM
Fenerbahce 2 - 0 up at half-time in the Turkish cup final which I think is good news for us regarding the prospect of being seeded.
As far as I understand the mathematical equation anyway.
Finished 2-0 so good for us, just a shame that Erdogan's team lost. :(
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2023, 08:00:45 PM
I don't think West Ham fans are odious.
Their owners are, though.
I would say that being of a non white disposition amongst some fan bases varies in experience. West Ham was never a fun place to visit while I lived there. Not saying we don’t have our wankers, because we do. But they’re not my cup of tea. Leicester fans can be like that too as I experienced while going to Filbert Street back in my uni days in the early 90’s.
Post by: eamonn on June 11, 2023, 08:03:37 PM
I’m sort of glad West Ham won it this season now (I wasn’t much at the time) as the country can see its importance and significance. Yes it’s the 3rd tier European trophy but it’s a European trophy.
I view it as a European League Cup, not as prestigious as the 2 older trophies but would still be a very welcome addition to our trophy cabinet.
I see it as same level as the original third competition, the CWC.
Is the correct answer.
Cup Winners Cup slayed a lot harder than this Conference thing. We'll be well shot of it when we reach the Champions League Final in 2025.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 11, 2023, 08:03:47 PM
Fenerbahce 2 - 0 up at half-time in the Turkish cup final which I think is good news for us regarding the prospect of being seeded.
As far as I understand the mathematical equation anyway.
Finished 2-0 so good for us, just a shame that Erdogan's team lost. :(
Game hasn't finished yet. Still 2-0
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 11, 2023, 08:07:33 PM
Fenerbahce 2 - 0 up at half-time in the Turkish cup final which I think is good news for us regarding the prospect of being seeded.
As far as I understand the mathematical equation anyway.
Finished 2-0 so good for us, just a shame that Erdogan's team lost. :(
Game hasn't finished yet. Still 2-0
Yeah you're right, an hour gone now. When I checked it said 'Final' under the score but it's obviously a reference to the game itself. ::)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2023, 08:15:16 PM
I remember when we were playing Inter in the Uefa Man Utd were playing Wrexham in the CWC, and iirc it wasn't even a full strength Wrexham side due to the foreign players rule at the time.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2023, 08:20:14 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2023, 08:21:12 PM
Although you did have to win a cup competition to get into it in the first place.
Or lose the final if the winners were already in Europe. Depending when it was.
Post by: rougegorge on June 11, 2023, 08:29:36 PM
Yes, weren't we the first FA Cup losers not to progress to European competition, after we lost to Arsenal who had already guaranteed a CL spot?Although you did have to win a cup competition to get into it in the first place.
Or lose the final if the winners were already in Europe. Depending when it was.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 11, 2023, 08:40:00 PM
CWC was far easier to win than the Uefa, and was probably easier to win than the Conference. Mainly because of more games and having sides from the Europa drop in as well.
I remember when we were playing Inter in the Uefa Man Utd were playing Wrexham in the CWC, and iirc it wasn't even a full strength Wrexham side due to the foreign players rule at the time.
For a place in the last eight, after overcoming Pécs (anyone?) in the first round.
Post by: tom jennings III on June 11, 2023, 08:45:41 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 11, 2023, 08:54:43 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 11, 2023, 09:03:05 PM
So we now can't be seeded, is that right?
I thought this result was good for us although not entirely sure why
Post by: paul_e on June 11, 2023, 09:06:41 PM
So we now can't be seeded, is that right?
Nope, the seeding only matter to us at the round we come in. If a few of the higher ranked sides in the knockouts lose then we might end up seeded still.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 11, 2023, 09:06:53 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 11, 2023, 09:08:59 PM
So we now can't be seeded, is that right?
I thought this result was good for us although not entirely sure why
Apparently it puts us at the top of the unseeded teams, so a bit closer to being seeded come draw time.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 11, 2023, 09:09:57 PM
So we now can't be seeded, is that right?
I thought this result was good for us although not entirely sure why
I'm the other way around, thought we needed Başakşehir to win. Funk knows.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2023, 09:15:28 PM
Post by: rougegorge on June 11, 2023, 09:22:29 PM
It's simple now...🙂So we now can't be seeded, is that right?
I thought this result was good for us although not entirely sure why
I'm the other way around, thought we needed Başakşehir to win. Funk knows.
In the 2nd Qualifying Round, we need one of these teams to get knocked out so we can then be seeded:
Bruges
Basel
Gent
Fenerbahce
CFR Cluj
Midtjylland
PAOK Salonika
Maccabi Tel Aviv
Viktoria Plzen
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 11, 2023, 09:27:05 PM
[It's simple now...🙂
In the 2nd Qualifying Round, we need one of these teams to get knocked out so we can then be seeded:
Bruges
Basel
Gent
Fenerbahce
CFR Cluj
Midtjylland
PAOK Salonika
Maccabi Tel Aviv
Viktoria Plzen
With the added bonus that we wouldn't have to play any of them in the play-off round?
Post by: Dave P on June 11, 2023, 09:29:34 PM
Post by: rougegorge on June 11, 2023, 09:34:18 PM
Correct.[It's simple now...🙂
In the 2nd Qualifying Round, we need one of these teams to get knocked out so we can then be seeded:
Bruges
Basel
Gent
Fenerbahce
CFR Cluj
Midtjylland
PAOK Salonika
Maccabi Tel Aviv
Viktoria Plzen
With the added bonus that we wouldn't have to play any of them in the play-off round?
We'd play an unseeded team, although some of them that are projected to be unseeded don't look like complete mugs.
Post by: rougegorge on June 11, 2023, 09:36:11 PM
The Cup Winners Cup was always destined to die when they opened up the champions league more. If it was still going now, who would be Englands representative?Good question. Presumably Sheffield United or Brighton, unless Brighton opted for Europa League anyway.
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 11, 2023, 09:40:46 PM
The dates: https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaconferenceleague/news/027a-1641db958909-46702780984f-1000--2023-24-uefa-europa-conference-league-matches-final-key-/
Am I missing something?
But that says Final venue/host to be decided in due course.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 11, 2023, 10:16:04 PM
Post by: Dave P on June 11, 2023, 10:21:34 PM
The Cup Winners Cup was always destined to die when they opened up the champions league more. If it was still going now, who would be Englands representative?Good question. Presumably Sheffield United or Brighton, unless Brighton opted for Europa League anyway.
Which would, of course, be nonsense. It perfectly highlights why this competition is no more. Imagine having the season we’ve just had and losing out on Europe to Sheffield United because they beat Wrexham and Blackburn.
Post by: Risso on June 12, 2023, 11:33:34 AM
Post by: paul_e on June 12, 2023, 11:40:54 AM
At his best, Tielemans seems very versatile, but in a good "excellent in all midfield areas" way rather than a utility "jack of all trades" one. Great range of passing, an excellent shot and good defensively, loads there for Emery to get his teeth into.
Almost every decent analysis I've seen of him is that he has all the physical attributes and technical ability to be world class but he sometimes needs a nudge to put it all together and, as someone said earlier, he's a bit of a follower rather than a leader so we'd need someone like McGinn alongside lighting rockets up his arse to get the best out of him.
Post by: eamonn on June 13, 2023, 04:11:23 PM
Post by: andyh on June 13, 2023, 04:17:23 PM
WHam fan at work says that a lot of their lot are hoping they finish 3rd in their Europa League group so that they can drop back into the Conference and win it again!Do you promoted to the Champions league for winning the Europa league outright ?
Post by: LeeB on June 13, 2023, 04:20:45 PM
WHam fan at work says that a lot of their lot are hoping they finish 3rd in their Europa League group so that they can drop back into the Conference and win it again!Do you promoted to the Champions league for winning the Europa league outright ?
Yes
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 13, 2023, 07:39:55 PM
WHam fan at work says that a lot of their lot are hoping they finish 3rd in their Europa League group so that they can drop back into the Conference and win it again!
I can see a flaw in their plan.
Post by: algy on June 13, 2023, 07:50:42 PM
I guess they've seen a plan in their flaws ...WHam fan at work says that a lot of their lot are hoping they finish 3rd in their Europa League group so that they can drop back into the Conference and win it again!
I can see a flaw in their plan.
Post by: Risso on June 14, 2023, 10:31:27 AM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 14, 2023, 10:42:41 AM
Post by: Smithy on June 14, 2023, 10:47:30 AM
I think it's a bit of both. Our coefficient on our own would be zero if it only goes back a few years.
It is both. I don't know what the formula is, but someone explained to me last season that the "score" is for the club, based on their performances in European competition, but then also a fixed number of points are added based on their domestic league. So every Premier League team in Europe gets XX points added to their coefficient simply for being in the premier league. We could, in theory, be ranked higher than a team from a poor league that has been in Europe every year for the last five years (assuming they've done pretty badly once there). It's also a rolling five-year thing, so a couple of years in Europe would boost us pretty significantly.
Post by: AV82EC on June 14, 2023, 11:11:40 AM
Post by: algy on June 14, 2023, 11:26:01 AM
Quick question - how are the coefficients worked out? Is it based on the overall country's success in the competition, the individual club's record in Europe, or a bit of both? Seems slightly odd that England's only entrant into this competition this year possibly isn't going to be seeded.Right, from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_coefficient#Men's_club_coefficient
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The club coefficient is either the sum of the points earned by the club in the UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League and UEFA Europa Conference League over the previous five seasons or 20% of the club's association coefficient over the same period, whichever coefficient is higher
So, each national association has a coefficient. This is made up from the average performance in Europe for the clubs from that country over the past 5 seasons. Some points are awarded for every single game that takes place. If we draw our first leg in the playoffs, we'll get (a small) number of points added to the English coefficient even if we lost the 2nd leg. Obviously the further in the competition you get, the more points you get for a win or draw.
So, Man City winning the Champions League means that English sides generally will be slightly higher rated for the next 5 years. Likewise West Ham winning the Conference League. But the same applies all the way down, e.g. Ireland will have got a slightly improved coefficient because Shamrock Rovers beat Ferencváros 1-0 in the Europa League playoff 2nd leg last season (even though they got pumped 4-0 in the first leg)
Current association coefficients here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_coefficient#Current_ranking
The important one for us is the first line. When 'random English club' enters a European competition, they get at least the average coefficient for an English club. So, for us, we've not qualified for Europe for the past 5 seasons, so rather than ranking us below TNS (who have qualified every season), we're seeded based on 'English clubs generally get this far'.
However, if your club average is higher than the national average over 5 seasons, you take that instead. So here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_coefficient#Current_club_ranking
You can see Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal .. maybe some others .. have consistently performed above average, so they use their own club coefficient rather than the national association one..
As far as I can see, we're likely to be 'stuck' on the national co-efficient for a little while yet. If/when we start regularly doing well in competitions, however, we'll get our own ranking.
Post by: Risso on June 14, 2023, 11:27:43 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 14, 2023, 11:49:25 AM
Post by: dekko on June 14, 2023, 11:54:04 AM
The way I see it is that it might be better to play a seeded team early. If we fail then a lot of fan money and time is saved. The squad can then concentrate on the domestic competitions. I do think though that seeded or unseeded we will beat whatever is put in front of us with "the Seeded teams" wanting to avoid us.
I agree that all the seeded teams will be hoping to avoid us.
However I dont think that saving time and money will be much of a consolation to people if we lose in the playoffs. I'd be gutted if after all that hard work and incredible run of form and results to get us here we get knocked out of a competition we should be winning before it even starts.
Post by: Risso on June 14, 2023, 11:55:44 AM
The way I see it is that it might be better to play a seeded team early. If we fail then a lot of fan money and time is saved.
Let's hope we're saved the time and money of an FA Cup final trip as well then! Blimey Bren, that's a bit odd mate.
Post by: Dogtanian on June 14, 2023, 12:01:50 PM
The way I see it is that it might be better to play a seeded team early. If we fail then a lot of fan money and time is saved. The squad can then concentrate on the domestic competitions. I do think though that seeded or unseeded we will beat whatever is put in front of us with "the Seeded teams" wanting to avoid us.
I agree that all the seeded teams will be hoping to avoid us.
However I dont think that saving time and money will be much of a consolation to people if we lose in the playoffs. I'd be gutted if after all that hard work and incredible run of form and results to get us here we get knocked out of a competition we should be winning before it even starts.
Again...!
Post by: AV82EC on June 14, 2023, 12:08:24 PM
The way I see it is that it might be better to play a seeded team early. If we fail then a lot of fan money and time is saved. The squad can then concentrate on the domestic competitions. I do think though that seeded or unseeded we will beat whatever is put in front of us with "the Seeded teams" wanting to avoid us.
I agree that all the seeded teams will be hoping to avoid us.
However I dont think that saving time and money will be much of a consolation to people if we lose in the playoffs. I'd be gutted if after all that hard work and incredible run of form and results to get us here we get knocked out of a competition we should be winning before it even starts.
Again...!
Exactly our record in European competition this century is frankly embarrassing for a club of this size.
Post by: Dogtanian on June 14, 2023, 12:48:07 PM
By my reckoning, 29 English clubs have been to a domestic or european cup final this century, with 14 winning a trophy.
14 clubs have contested only one final, of which only 2 (Blackburn Rovers and Swansea City) have won one.
We are 7th for finals contested, and the team to have been to the most finals this century without ever winning a cup.
Of the teams who have contested more than one final, only 2 others have failed to win any of them - Cardiff City and Southampton (both with 2 finals each).
The average win ratio is 30.2%, compared to our 0%.
| Team | Finals | Wins | Win % |
| Chelsea | 22 | 13 | 59.1 |
| Liverpool | 17 | 10 | 58.8 |
| Man United | 17 | 9 | 52.9 |
| Arsenal | 13 | 7 | 53.8 |
| Man City | 12 | 10 | 83.3 |
| Tottenham Hotspurs | 6 | 1 | 16.7 |
| Aston Villa | 4 | 0 | 0.0 |
| Leicester City | 2 | 2 | 100.0 |
| Blackburn Rovers | 1 | 1 | 100.0 |
| Swansea City | 1 | 1 | 100.0 |
| Birmingham City | 2 | 1 | 50.0 |
| Middlesbrough | 2 | 1 | 50.0 |
| Portsmouth | 2 | 1 | 50.0 |
| West Ham United | 2 | 1 | 50.0 |
| Wigan Athletic | 2 | 1 | 50.0 |
| Cardiff City | 2 | 0 | 0.0 |
| Southampton | 2 | 0 | 0.0 |
| Bolton Wanderers | 1 | 0 | 0.0 |
| Bradford City | 1 | 0 | 0.0 |
| Crystal Palace | 1 | 0 | 0.0 |
| Everton | 1 | 0 | 0.0 |
| Fulham | 1 | 0 | 0.0 |
| Hull City | 1 | 0 | 0.0 |
| Millwall | 1 | 0 | 0.0 |
| Newcastle United | 1 | 0 | 0.0 |
| Stoke City | 1 | 0 | 0.0 |
| Sunderland | 1 | 0 | 0.0 |
| Tranmere Rovers | 1 | 0 | 0.0 |
| Watford | 1 | 0 | 0.0 |
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 14, 2023, 12:59:56 PM
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2023, 01:05:42 PM
So we've reached more finals than anyone other than the scab six despite having the worst decade in our history (2010s). Not too bad when it's put like that.
1 final every 5-6 years since the start of the premier league isn't bad, only winning 2 of them is annoying.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 14, 2023, 01:13:05 PM
Post by: Pat Mustard on June 14, 2023, 01:30:43 PM
So we've reached more finals than anyone other than the scab six despite having the worst decade in our history (2010s). Not too bad when it's put like that.
This is why the Dogheads, Tescos and particularly the Sty Dwellers hate us so much. What we consider to be one of the worst periods in our history would constitute a golden age for all of them.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 14, 2023, 01:33:23 PM
The way I see it is that it might be better to play a seeded team early. If we fail then a lot of fan money and time is saved.
Let's hope we're saved the time and money of an FA Cup final trip as well then! Blimey Bren, that's a bit odd mate.
Disappointing, I didn't have Bren down as a Eurosceptic. :(
Post by: Drummond on June 14, 2023, 01:35:07 PM
The way I see it is that it might be better to play a seeded team early. If we fail then a lot of fan money and time is saved.
Let's hope we're saved the time and money of an FA Cup final trip as well then! Blimey Bren, that's a bit odd mate.
Let's not bother registering with the FA either, then we'll never lose a game!
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 14, 2023, 02:20:48 PM
When do we have the definitive list of all entrants into the ECL?
When do they state who are the seeded teams?
When is the draw made for the KO?
When realistically do we play our qualifier?
Sorry but just plain English will do :)
Post by: dekko on June 14, 2023, 02:48:03 PM
So some questions:
When do we have the definitive list of all entrants into the ECL?
When do they state who are the seeded teams?
When is the draw made for the KO?
When realistically do we play our qualifier?
Sorry but just plain English will do :)
The draw for the round we enter in is on Aug7th, and the games themselves will be on the 24th and 31st
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2023, 03:04:40 PM
So some questions:
When do we have the definitive list of all entrants into the ECL?
When do they state who are the seeded teams?
When is the draw made for the KO?
When realistically do we play our qualifier?
Sorry but just plain English will do :)
The draw for the round we enter in is on Aug7th, and the games themselves will be on the 24th and 31st
For the seedings thing - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2%80%9324_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League#Schedule
Those are the dates for the various qualifying rounds and, as should be clear the draw for the play-off round happens before the 3rd round of qualifying so seedings are based on either teams that are joining at the same stage as us or whichever the highest ranked team in each QR3 tie is. Once all the QR3 ties are known we'll know how things need to play out for us. The draw is 24th July but there may be some games that make a difference still so we won't know for sure which side we're in until the games on 3rd August have all played out.
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 14, 2023, 03:43:47 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 14, 2023, 03:46:06 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 14, 2023, 03:53:06 PM
The way I see it is that it might be better to play a seeded team early. If we fail then a lot of fan money and time is saved.
Let's hope we're saved the time and money of an FA Cup final trip as well then! Blimey Bren, that's a bit odd mate.
Disappointing, I didn't have Bren down as a Eurosceptic. :(
I'm not at all. On reflection maybe it sounds that way but I'd rather hit the more difficult teams early than later when we might be fighting on many fronts. Once we're into it half way through the season I'll be all in.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2023, 11:38:01 AM
If next season England finish Top 2 in the one-year Country ranking, then at the end of Premier League season:
Top 5 - Champions League, Group stage
6th/7th - Europa League, Group stage
8th - Europa Conference League, Play-off
https://twitter.com/uefarankings/status/1669266070681575424?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 15, 2023, 11:56:14 AM
European qualification spots for next season possibly
If next season England finish Top 2 in the one-year Country ranking, then at the end of Premier League season:
Top 5 - Champions League, Group stage
Can you imagine the howls of 'spawny Vilers' from SHA and Olbiyun if we finish 5th next year and get a CL spot? :D
Post by: Dogtanian on June 15, 2023, 11:59:35 AM
European qualification spots for next season possibly
If next season England finish Top 2 in the one-year Country ranking, then at the end of Premier League season:
Top 5 - Champions League, Group stage
Can you imagine the howls of 'spawny Vilers' from SHA and Olbiyun if we finish 5th next year and get a CL spot? :D
It'd definitely hurt their brains. For them, imagining league places that high up makes them feel right dizzy like when I think about an infinite universe or one where I didn't exist.
Post by: Pat Mustard on June 15, 2023, 12:08:46 PM
European qualification spots for next season possibly
If next season England finish Top 2 in the one-year Country ranking, then at the end of Premier League season:
Top 5 - Champions League, Group stage
Can you imagine the howls of 'spawny Vilers' from SHA and Olbiyun if we finish 5th next year and get a CL spot? :D
It'd definitely hurt their brains. For them, imagining league places that high up makes them feel right dizzy like when I think about an infinite universe or one where I didn't exist.
I find it harder to imagine a finite universe. Like, what's outside of that then? I imagine that's what the concept of European football must be like to the Stripeys.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 15, 2023, 12:53:33 PM
Post by: Richard E on June 15, 2023, 01:23:49 PM
Post by: eamonn on June 15, 2023, 02:38:03 PM
Shouldn’t we just be seeded as a matter of divine right because we’re Aston Villa and we’re absolutely massive?
Can't you do your FIFA'23 simulation of the Conference scenarios and see where we end-up?
Post by: pablo_picasso on June 15, 2023, 05:19:50 PM
So we've reached more finals than anyone other than the scab six despite having the worst decade in our history (2010s). Not too bad when it's put like that.
We have competed for a trophy or a title at least once every decade right throughout our history, except for the decade after World War 2.
We might not have won them all, but that level of consistency is pretty impressive.
Post by: olaftab on June 17, 2023, 12:45:33 PM
Post by: eamonn on June 17, 2023, 01:02:55 PM
Post by: DerbyVillian on June 17, 2023, 01:44:23 PM
I am in a bit of dilemma now with the release of FA cup dates next season. Final is on 25 May and my flight to Athens for the ECL final is booked for 24 May. No idea what to do??
I'll take the cup final ticket, of you ;D ;D
thanks in advance :) :)
Post by: Drummond on June 17, 2023, 02:59:59 PM
I am in a bit of dilemma now with the release of FA cup dates next season. Final is on 25 May and my flight to Athens for the ECL final is booked for 24 May. No idea what to do??
Fly back again for the FA Cup then after we win it go back to Athens!
Post by: olaftab on June 18, 2023, 09:20:18 AM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 19, 2023, 01:15:37 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 19, 2023, 01:36:27 PM
The boy's new passport landed on the doormat today ahead of our exploits. The government website says there's currently a 12-week wait, however it's come back inside 3 weeks of applying. And if you angle it just right in a certain light you might possibly think it has an indigo tinge. And somebody might need to let the printers know the queen's been dead a while now.
She's not dead, she lives on in our hearts.
Post by: eamonn on June 19, 2023, 07:03:28 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 19, 2023, 07:12:03 PM
And somebody might need to let the printers know the queen's been dead a while now.
President Biden seems to think she's still alive, maybe he knows something we don't.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 19, 2023, 07:12:56 PM
Post by: eamonn on June 19, 2023, 11:26:05 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 19, 2023, 11:29:42 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 20, 2023, 06:34:55 AM
Edit
The draw for the first qualifying round will be held on 20 June 2023.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 20, 2023, 06:35:42 AM
Post by: AV82EC on June 20, 2023, 09:00:50 PM
First qualifying round draw for UEFA Europa Conference League
Group 1
Sutjeska (MNE) vs Cosmos (SMR)
Balzan (MLT) vs Domžale (SVN)
Vaduz (LIE) vs Neman Grodno (BLR)
Ararat-Armenia (ARM) vs Egnatia (ALB)
Torpedo Kutaisi (GEO) vs Sarajevo (BIH)
Group 2
Alashkert (ARM) vs Arsenal Tivat (MNE)
Željezničar (BIH) vs Dinamo Minsk (BLR)
La Fiorita (SMR) vs Zimbru Chisinau (MDA)
Maribor (SVN) vs Birkirkara (MLT)
Tirana (ALB) vs Dinamo Batumi (GEO)
Group 3
Dundalk (IRL) vs Magpies (GIB)
Víkingur (FRO) vs Inter Escaldes (AND)
Progrès Niederkorn (LUX) vs Gjilani (KOS)
Linfield (NIR) vs Vllaznia (ALB)
KA (ISL) vs Connah's Quay Nomads (WAL)
Group 4
Shkëndija (MKD) vs Haverfordwest (WAL)
Haka (FIN) vs Crusaders (NIR)
HB (FRO) vs Derry City (IRL)
Riga (LVA) vs Víkingur Reykjavík (ISL)
Žilina (SVK) vs Levadia Tallinn (EST)
Group 5
Pyunik (ARM) vs Narva Trans (EST)
Panevezys (LTU) vs Milsami (MDA)
Tobol Kostanay (KAZ) vs Honka Espoo (FIN)
Dunajská Streda (SVK) vs Dila Gori (GEO)
Makedonija (MKD) vs RFS (LVA)
Group 6
Dukagjini (KOS) vs Europa (GIB)
Penybont (WAL) vs FC Santa Coloma (AND)
Hegelmann Litauen (LTU) vs Shkupi (MKD)
Diddeleng (LUX) vs St Patrick's (IRL)
B36 (FRO) vs Paide (EST)
Gżira United (MLT) vs Glentoran (NIR)
Post by: BC54 VFC on June 20, 2023, 09:13:18 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 20, 2023, 10:57:54 PM
Good tips but I like Drummond's idea the best.
Well, if you change your mind I won't head to Athens till the Tuesday. Hotel booked for 2 nights, flights can wait till we're a bit closer to the final.
Post by: trinityoap on June 20, 2023, 11:15:32 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2023, 11:33:20 PM
I've only heard of sixteen of those teams.
I think some of them are made up.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 20, 2023, 11:49:59 PM
I've only heard of sixteen of those teams.
Same here, and half of them are from Ireland.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 20, 2023, 11:59:01 PM
Chelsea and Man City are fine though.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 21, 2023, 12:31:47 AM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 21, 2023, 12:40:56 AM
Seems our connection with Vitoria is being investigated by UEFA, with the possibility of us being kicked out.
Chelsea and Man City are fine though.
I think the possibility of anything happening is incredibly slim but it did make me laugh that this is being brought up now.
Post by: Axl Rose on June 21, 2023, 01:59:02 AM
Dundalk please, I have family in Carlingford. If we can play them away during August that would be fine. Oysters, Guinness and Villa are a perfect combination.
Oysters, Guinness and Villa.
That'd look good on a flag
Post by: purpletrousers on June 21, 2023, 03:41:37 AM
Dundalk please, I have family in Carlingford. If we can play them away during August that would be fine. Oysters, Guinness and Villa are a perfect combination.
Oysters, Guinness and Villa.
That'd look good on a flag
Not in that order. At least the Guineas is all vegan these days :)
Post by: Risso on June 21, 2023, 10:58:49 AM
Seems our connection with Vitoria is being investigated by UEFA, with the possibility of us being kicked out.
Chelsea and Man City are fine though.
Basically, UEFA rules say that two clubs with the same common ownership can't be in the same competition, which I suppose is fair enough as that would be a conflict. The rules state this:
"No individual or legal entity may have control or influence over more than one club participating in a UEFA club competition, such control or influence being defined in this context as:
- holding a majority of the shareholders’ voting rights;
- having the right to appoint or remove a majority of the members of the administrative, management or supervisory body of the club;
- being a shareholder and alone controlling a majority of the shareholders’ voting rights pursuant to an agreement entered into with other shareholders of the club; or
- being able to exercise by any means a decisive influence in the decision-making of the club."
Villa are obviously in the same competition as Vittoria, who finished 6th. If any of the above applied, we'd have to leave to be replaced by Spurs as Vittoria finished higher in their league.
However, NSWE only bought 46% of the shares if I remember correctly, so as long as there's no other mechanism for them controlling Vittoria indirectly, then we should be good. It would literally be the most Villa-y thing ever to be kicked out over a technicality.
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 21, 2023, 11:12:40 AM
Post by: eamonn on June 21, 2023, 12:55:03 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 21, 2023, 12:57:48 PM
Post by: Risso on June 21, 2023, 01:12:55 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 21, 2023, 01:19:18 PM
Dundalk please, I have family in Carlingford. If we can play them away during August that would be fine. Oysters, Guinness and Villa are a perfect combination.
Oysters, Guinness and Villa.
That'd look good on a flag
Oysters and Guinness - bagsy not taking a shit after you
Post by: Towser on June 21, 2023, 01:20:17 PM
These are Europa Conference League QR2 ties of nine teams (in bold) of which at least one needs to lose its tie in order for Aston Villa to become seeded in the Play-off round.
All these nine teams will play the first QR2 leg at home.
(https://i.ibb.co/CQ90kWq/Fz-JRXGGXs-AUF8-A-format-png-name-small.png) (https://ibb.co/CQ90kWq)
Post by: Drummond on June 21, 2023, 01:32:30 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 21, 2023, 01:41:41 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 21, 2023, 01:48:49 PM
Dundalk please, I have family in Carlingford. If we can play them away during August that would be fine. Oysters, Guinness and Villa are a perfect combination.
Any of the Irish, Scottish or Welsh teams would be good.
Dundalk have drawn Bruno's Magpies (Gib) and would then play the winners of KA (Isl) or Connah's Quay Nomads (Cym). It's on!
Post by: algy on June 21, 2023, 03:43:10 PM
Ah, that's a brilliant draw for Cei Connah. Probably going to watch their game at home - win that (and IMO KA will be tough but beatable) and the 2nd round game sounds winnable too. Hopefully it'll be Dundalk, the away game for that has the potential to be a bit of a laugh 8)Dundalk please, I have family in Carlingford. If we can play them away during August that would be fine. Oysters, Guinness and Villa are a perfect combination.
Any of the Irish, Scottish or Welsh teams would be good.
Dundalk have drawn Bruno's Magpies (Gib) and would then play the winners of KA (Isl) or Connah's Quay Nomads (Cym). It's on!
Post by: rougegorge on June 21, 2023, 06:38:34 PM
I guess there's always a chance of a shock but I don't see it in those fixtures.Yes we may well have to wait to see if the 3rd qualifying round throws up stronger rivals for one of the 9.
Adana may trouble Cluj.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 21, 2023, 06:46:54 PM
I guess there's always a chance of a shock but I don't see it in those fixtures.Yes we may well have to wait to see if the 3rd qualifying round throws up stronger rivals for one of the 9.
Adana may trouble Cluj.
I don't think them losing in 3QR helps us because the winner of the tie retains the higher coefficient.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 21, 2023, 06:48:39 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 21, 2023, 07:08:37 PM
Apparently the Vittoria boss has aleady said it's not a problem and was all thought about at the time.
Not a problem for them, it would be us that gets kicked out of the competition. Realistically, UEFA will look at it and a couple of other clubs but they see the future of owners investing in smaller clubs and are all for it. They realise they need to change a few clauses in their rulebook.
Post by: Dave P on June 21, 2023, 07:19:15 PM
Let's face it we are getting Juventus aren't we.
Which would be a real shame……for Juventus
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 21, 2023, 08:01:43 PM
Dundalk please, I have family in Carlingford. If we can play them away during August that would be fine. Oysters, Guinness and Villa are a perfect combination.
Any of the Irish, Scottish or Welsh teams would be good.
Dundalk have drawn Bruno's Magpies (Gib) and would then play the winners of KA (Isl) or Connah's Quay Nomads (Cym). It's on!
Ah, that's a brilliant draw for Cei Connah. Probably going to watch their game at home - win that (and IMO KA will be tough but beatable) and the 2nd round game sounds winnable too. Hopefully it'll be Dundalk, the away game for that has the potential to be a bit of a laugh 8)
One of my best mates is from "The Town" and a big Dundalk fan so we should be able to put you right if Connah do play them.
Post by: rougegorge on June 21, 2023, 08:24:54 PM
Oh yes, I'd forgotten that 🙁. So we wouldn't know until Q3 is completed.I guess there's always a chance of a shock but I don't see it in those fixtures.Yes we may well have to wait to see if the 3rd qualifying round throws up stronger rivals for one of the 9.
Adana may trouble Cluj.
I don't think them losing in 3QR helps us because the winner of the tie retains the higher coefficient.
Post by: paul_e on June 21, 2023, 09:02:14 PM
Oh yes, I'd forgotten that 🙁. So we wouldn't know until Q3 is completed.I guess there's always a chance of a shock but I don't see it in those fixtures.Yes we may well have to wait to see if the 3rd qualifying round throws up stronger rivals for one of the 9.
Adana may trouble Cluj.
I don't think them losing in 3QR helps us because the winner of the tie retains the higher coefficient.
No, the other way round. The seedings and draw happen before Q3 so the seedings are set by the highest ranked team in every tie, who wins the games in the Q3 makes no difference to us which is why we 'need' one of those bold teams to lose to be seeded, that's the only thing that can cause it to happen. As soon as the Q2 games are done we'll know which side of the draw we're in.
Post by: trinityoap on June 21, 2023, 09:33:06 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 23, 2023, 03:59:43 PM
https://twitter.com/uefarankings/status/1672242612923686914?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
Post by: AV82EC on June 23, 2023, 04:09:06 PM
Apparently we could now be seeded if Juventus accept a one year ban from European comp. Fiorentina to join in place
https://twitter.com/uefarankings/status/1672242612923686914?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
How on earth have Fiorentina got a lower
Coefficient than us? They got to the Final of this last year.
Post by: Dave on June 23, 2023, 04:10:17 PM
Apparently we could now be seeded if Juventus accept a one year ban from European comp. Fiorentina to join in place
https://twitter.com/uefarankings/status/1672242612923686914?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
I guess if you're Juventus and you have to take a year banned from Europe then the time you "only" got the Conference League due to your points deduction is the one to go for.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 23, 2023, 04:12:18 PM
Apparently we could now be seeded if Juventus accept a one year ban from European comp. Fiorentina to join in place
https://twitter.com/uefarankings/status/1672242612923686914?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
I guess if you're Juventus and you have to take a year banned from Europe then the time you "only" got the Conference League due to your points deduction is the one to go for.
Absolutely perfect for them if they can pull it off.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 23, 2023, 04:19:50 PM
Apparently we could now be seeded if Juventus accept a one year ban from European comp. Fiorentina to join in place
https://twitter.com/uefarankings/status/1672242612923686914?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
It would be welcome news even without the seeding implications for us.
Post by: Dogtanian on June 27, 2023, 10:42:12 AM
https://twitter.com/UefaRankings/status/1673614951389319169?s=20 (https://twitter.com/UefaRankings/status/1673614951389319169?s=20)
Post by: Bobby Boy on June 27, 2023, 10:54:44 AM
More talk of someone called 'Juventus' being banned from european competition for one season and pushing us into a seeded pot;
https://twitter.com/UefaRankings/status/1673614951389319169?s=20 (https://twitter.com/UefaRankings/status/1673614951389319169?s=20)
Yes, then we draw the unseeded Fiorentina in the play-offs.....
Post by: LeeB on June 27, 2023, 10:59:24 AM
More talk of someone called 'Juventus' being banned from european competition for one season and pushing us into a seeded pot;
https://twitter.com/UefaRankings/status/1673614951389319169?s=20 (https://twitter.com/UefaRankings/status/1673614951389319169?s=20)
Yes, then we draw the unseeded Fiorentina in the play-offs.....
We'd beat them anyway
Post by: Bobby Boy on June 27, 2023, 11:01:48 AM
More talk of someone called 'Juventus' being banned from european competition for one season and pushing us into a seeded pot;
https://twitter.com/UefaRankings/status/1673614951389319169?s=20 (https://twitter.com/UefaRankings/status/1673614951389319169?s=20)
Yes, then we draw the unseeded Fiorentina in the play-offs.....
We'd beat them anyway
Maybe, but I'd prefer to shop elsewhere given the chance.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 27, 2023, 11:58:35 AM
Post by: LeeB on June 27, 2023, 12:07:49 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 27, 2023, 12:25:55 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on June 27, 2023, 12:30:23 PM
"Uefa investigated Red Bull Salzburg and RB Leipzig, both linked to the energy drinks giant, after they qualified for the Champions League in 2017 but found that 'no individual or legal entity had a decisive influence over more than one club'".
Post by: LeeB on June 27, 2023, 12:33:34 PM
I think this may be the key bit;
"Uefa investigated Red Bull Salzburg and RB Leipzig, both linked to the energy drinks giant, after they qualified for the Champions League in 2017 but found that 'no individual or legal entity had a decisive influence over more than one club'".
Which, translates as "They're German, so it's ok"
Post by: Dogtanian on June 27, 2023, 12:34:09 PM
I think this may be the key bit;
"Uefa investigated Red Bull Salzburg and RB Leipzig, both linked to the energy drinks giant, after they qualified for the Champions League in 2017 but found that 'no individual or legal entity had a decisive influence over more than one club'".
Which, translates as "They're German, so it's ok"
What's happened!?
Post by: Risso on June 27, 2023, 12:46:52 PM
UEFA having a meeting about us/Vitoria, among others: https://twitter.com/samcunningham/status/1673308397674872838
The journalist is just shit stirring. There's no problem with us and Vittoria as V Sports only control 46% of Vittoria, less than the 51% you need for control. I believe the UEFA meeting is about relaxing the rules, anyway. The Vittoria president has confirmed that this was all checked as being legit when Nas and Wes invested.
Post by: LeeB on June 27, 2023, 12:49:25 PM
UEFA having a meeting about us/Vitoria, among others: https://twitter.com/samcunningham/status/1673308397674872838
The journalist is just shit stirring. There's no problem with us and Vittoria as V Sports only control 46% of Vittoria, less than the 51% you need for control. I believe the UEFA meeting is about relaxing the rules, anyway. The Vittoria president has confirmed that this was all checked as being legit when Nas and Wes invested.
Yeah, you can't really imagine these guys bollocksing up over something like this. Lerner or Shitty Shoes, yeah absolutely, but not this lot
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 27, 2023, 12:54:24 PM
Post by: Drummond on June 27, 2023, 01:13:10 PM
Post by: Dave P on June 27, 2023, 07:19:26 PM
As Risso said, there really is nothing to see here
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 27, 2023, 11:49:37 PM
Post by: eamonn on June 28, 2023, 12:08:53 AM
Post by: Dave P on June 28, 2023, 07:04:10 AM
No aren’t they ranked higher than us as they finished higher in their league?
I thought it was based on coefficient? Ours is 21.914 and theirs is 11.243.
Post by: Risso on June 28, 2023, 09:45:27 AM
“The lower ranked team would be disqualified” which is Vitoria anyway.
As Risso said, there really is nothing to see here
No, if it was a problem (which it isn't) then we'd be removed, as Vittoria finished higher in the league (6th). The rankings only come into play if two teams finished in the same position.
Post by: Gerrin on June 29, 2023, 03:03:01 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on June 29, 2023, 03:05:04 PM
So the finals going to be in Athens, AEK Stadium. 31,000 capacity, improvement on the 19,000 one in Prague for the West Ham game.
You'd imagine we might get 10k for that?
Post by: Dogtanian on June 29, 2023, 03:27:25 PM
https://vitoriasc.pt/en/2023/06/29/comunicado-7/ (https://vitoriasc.pt/en/2023/06/29/comunicado-7/)
Post by: Dazvillain on June 29, 2023, 03:31:09 PM
Reduced our holding to 29% by giving 17% back and no director on their board
Post by: Dazvillain on June 29, 2023, 03:41:05 PM
Post by: Border villan on June 29, 2023, 03:53:22 PM
Post by: Matt C on June 29, 2023, 04:18:37 PM
Post by: algy on June 29, 2023, 04:20:36 PM
So Chelsea and Abu Dhabi can own stakes all over the place but this is the one the regulators look at?Assume the problem is that there's 2 clubs in the same competition. Which isn't a problem for Chelsea/Strasbourg as they both finished in the bottom half last season.
Post by: The Man With A Stick on June 29, 2023, 05:39:06 PM
So the finals going to be in Athens, AEK Stadium. 31,000 capacity, improvement on the 19,000 one in Prague for the West Ham game.
Yet the stadium they're using in 2025 is a 45k seater. Not that we'll have to worry about it.
You'd think any European final, regardless of the clubs, would fill a 60k stadium. Even if two tinpot clubs got through you'd expect locals might be interested in attending.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 29, 2023, 11:49:56 PM
So the finals going to be in Athens, AEK Stadium. 31,000 capacity, improvement on the 19,000 one in Prague for the West Ham game.
For anyone here thinking of booking a hotel room for the Final dates I'd get on it sooner rather than later. I booked mine 2 weeks ago, €150 per night and cancellable a day in advance of check-in. Just checked availability, that hotel is now booked out and the two other IHG hotels have doubled in price.
Post by: olaftab on June 30, 2023, 12:25:45 AM
Post by: Holte L2 on June 30, 2023, 09:19:52 AM
Similar to BV, I have booked a Marriott in central area cancellable up to 27 May at £137 per night.
Snap. I booked the Electra Palace. £300 for two nights.
Post by: Dave P on June 30, 2023, 09:54:27 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 30, 2023, 10:15:06 AM
I've booked an apartment in the centre of Athens for £41 with free cancellation. Sure this will be as good as gold.It’s called a Tent.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 30, 2023, 10:21:39 AM
Post by: algy on June 30, 2023, 10:35:11 AM
I've booked an apartment in the centre of Athens for £41 with free cancellation. Sure this will be as good as gold.My dad worked in Athens for a short while back in the mid 70s. He reckoned you could sleep on someone's roof for 3-4 drachma a night. Said it was fine as long as it didn't rain, and you were OK sleeping around some pretty sketchy folk.
Dunno if that's still a thing, but if it is then there's always that option.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 30, 2023, 11:09:20 AM
If we get to the final against another side with a bit of support, don't be surprised if they cancel all your reservations and quadruple the price closer to the date.
Yeah, that's a possibility and I think it's allowed under their T&Cs. Something similar happened with the hotels in Liverpool after it was announced as the Eurovision host, but hoping my elite status with IHG protects me to some degree. If they do cancel it (and Villa don't get to the final) I'll be looking for 'compensation' points for a free night elsewhere. Still, nothing to be lost by booking now and see what transpires.
Post by: Risso on June 30, 2023, 11:12:59 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 30, 2023, 11:26:04 AM
It's only a 30,000 seat stadium and Athens is a popular tourism destination so they should be able to cope with the visitors I'd guess.
True but then again, look how many West Ham fans went to their final vs the number of tickets they actually got.
Post by: Small Rodent on June 30, 2023, 10:54:17 PM
No other info than that.
Post by: Small Rodent on June 30, 2023, 10:55:51 PM
https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/aston-villa-owners-reduce-stake-vitoria-guimaraes-both-clubs-conference-league-2445066
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 01, 2023, 12:17:07 AM
Post by: purpletrousers on July 01, 2023, 12:53:22 AM
I've booked an apartment in the centre of Athens for £41 with free cancellation. Sure this will be as good as gold.It’s called a Tent.
I saw someone on here booked a place so mainly to amuse myself on a bad day I booked a two bed appt for 4 nights for the grand total of £100, cancelable until 21/5; I just had another look
“ Private bathroom • Balcony • Air conditioning • Kitchen • Washing machine • Towels • Linen • Desk • Refrigerator • Tea/Coffee maker • Iron • Heating • Oven • Stovetop • Toilet paper“
Never stayed in a place that advertises toilet paper, have stayed in one or two in Africa and India where I wish they had!
Presuming we get there and I can drag someone /others along (it let me book for 4 adults but I think it’s a single and a double) that’s gotta be good value. Wasn’t the cheapest but had high reviews!
Post by: Axl Rose on July 01, 2023, 01:10:43 AM
Have just under a year to think of a viable excuse to get out of University work, only one month into the semester.
Post by: Risso on July 01, 2023, 09:28:13 AM
I've booked from the 27th to the 31st 😂
Have just under a year to think of a viable excuse to get out of University work, only one month into the semester.
I'll phone up and pretend to be your dad if you like mate. "He's very ill, won't be back until next week!"
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 01, 2023, 03:55:31 PM
Post by: walsall villain on July 01, 2023, 04:05:39 PM
I've booked from the 27th to the 31st 😂You’ve got loads of time to perfect your phoning in sick act.
Have just under a year to think of a viable excuse to get out of University work, only one month into the semester.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on July 02, 2023, 08:36:16 AM
I've booked an apartment in the centre of Athens for £41 with free cancellation. Sure this will be as good as gold.It’s called a Tent.
I saw someone on here booked a place so mainly to amuse myself on a bad day I booked a two bed appt for 4 nights for the grand total of £100, cancelable until 21/5; I just had another look
“ Private bathroom • Balcony • Air conditioning • Kitchen • Washing machine • Towels • Linen • Desk • Refrigerator • Tea/Coffee maker • Iron • Heating • Oven • Stovetop • Toilet paper“
Never stayed in a place that advertises toilet paper, have stayed in one or two in Africa and India where I wish they had!
Presuming we get there and I can drag someone /others along (it let me book for 4 adults but I think it’s a single and a double) that’s gotta be good value. Wasn’t the cheapest but had high reviews!
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 07, 2023, 12:07:04 PM
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on July 07, 2023, 03:11:57 PM
Rob Harris
@RobHarris
Aston Villa and Brighton cleared to play in European competitions next season after UEFA found no multi-club ownership conflicts.
But they can't transfer players with their related clubs, cooperate on anything or use joint scouting/player databases
Post by: Baldy on July 07, 2023, 03:54:23 PM
I've booked from the 27th to the 31st 😂You’ve got loads of time to perfect your phoning in sick act.
Have just under a year to think of a viable excuse to get out of University work, only one month into the semester.
Just tell your boss you have got a bad bout of diarrhea. It's a conversation stopper!!
Used to do the trick for me.
Post by: Drummond on July 07, 2023, 04:01:23 PM
https://twitter.com/RobHarris/status/1677318482445123585
Rob Harris
@RobHarris
Aston Villa and Brighton cleared to play in European competitions next season after UEFA found no multi-club ownership conflicts.
But they can't transfer players with their related clubs, cooperate on anything or use joint scouting/player databases
Which puts Lange in a somewhat tricky spot you'd think.
Post by: eamonn on July 07, 2023, 04:08:10 PM
Post by: London Villan on July 07, 2023, 05:05:47 PM
Post by: olaftab on July 07, 2023, 05:16:06 PM
Man city??There are no rules that apply to Abu Dhabi however the clubs thy own in Melbourne and USA are hardly going to have players good enough for League 1 nevermind PL.
Post by: BC54 VFC on July 08, 2023, 12:04:18 PM
Post by: nordenvillain on July 08, 2023, 12:28:16 PM
The outcome reflects poorly on the management of our Club.we? Please explain
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 08, 2023, 12:32:48 PM
The sharing of databases would be integral to that. Does this rule go away once either one of us is not in the same competition?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 08, 2023, 12:34:19 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on July 08, 2023, 04:23:18 PM
Why always us? Like when we were the only club in the history of world football to be found guilty of tapping a player up that never actually joined.
Because we are perceived as "big enough" to make an example out of to make it look like they are actually doing something other than making thrones out of stacks of £50 notes.
But they also perceive us as "not big enough" for us to fight back against their corruption...
Post by: Exeter 77 on July 08, 2023, 06:10:21 PM
Don't they own a a significant stake in Girona as well?Man city??There are no rules that apply to Abu Dhabi however the clubs thy own in Melbourne and USA are hardly going to have players good enough for League 1 nevermind PL.
Post by: Towser on July 09, 2023, 12:22:52 PM
- Fiorentina will enter the Play-off round instead
- Aston Villa are moved to the seeded side of the draw
- Juventus will play European competitions in 2024/25
Post by: Towser on July 09, 2023, 12:23:43 PM
Post by: Border villan on July 09, 2023, 12:25:42 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 09, 2023, 12:30:21 PM
What difference will this make to the draw for our potential opponents?
We will get some rubbish like Rapid Vienna, or MŠK Zilina ;)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 09, 2023, 12:33:55 PM
What difference will this make to the draw for our potential opponents?
Looking at the teams it should mean an easier draw. Away trip to Bilbao, anyone?
Post by: The Man With A Stick on July 09, 2023, 02:02:24 PM
Post by: nigel on July 09, 2023, 03:49:14 PM
What difference will this make to the draw for our potential opponents?
We will get some rubbish like Rapid Vienna, or MŠK Zilina ;)
We owe Rapid Vienna a beating
Post by: Ads on July 09, 2023, 03:52:37 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 09, 2023, 03:56:32 PM
What difference will this make to the draw for our potential opponents?
Looking at the teams it should mean an easier draw. Away trip to Bilbao, anyone?
Yes, please. I wouldn't mind a few days in Florence too.
Post by: olaftab on July 09, 2023, 04:40:47 PM
If Florence is ready for you.What difference will this make to the draw for our potential opponents?
Looking at the teams it should mean an easier draw. Away trip to Bilbao, anyone?
Yes, please. I wouldn't mind a few days in Florence too.
Post by: olaftab on July 09, 2023, 04:41:29 PM
Not a third August in Vienna though, maybe later in the competition.No, please no as it will be a recurring nightmare.
Post by: Border villan on July 09, 2023, 06:32:47 PM
Not a third August in Vienna though, maybe later in the competition.
Vienna means nothing to me.
Post by: Pete3206 on July 09, 2023, 08:19:15 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 10, 2023, 08:20:18 AM
Post by: AV82EC on July 10, 2023, 08:26:16 AM
Post by: Dave P on July 10, 2023, 08:56:34 AM
Post by: eamonn on July 10, 2023, 09:39:18 AM
Post by: AV82EC on July 10, 2023, 10:07:25 AM
What happened with Osasuna ?
Financial irregularities from a few years ago apparently.
Post by: achilles on July 10, 2023, 12:41:39 PM
What difference will this make to the draw for our potential opponents?
Looking at the teams it should mean an easier draw. Away trip to Bilbao, anyone?
Absolutely, after the last time which was the best away trip ever, the people are fantastic!
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 10, 2023, 01:05:45 PM
Similar to BV, I have booked a Marriott in central area cancellable up to 27 May at £137 per night.
I have been looking closer to the stadium but finding that difficult. I have not been to Athens so not sure how easy it is to get around. Any suggestions on hotel location would be welcomed*
Last time i pre booked a ticket for a hotel and final was not a good omen - Bradford in CC semi :(
Post by: Ads on July 10, 2023, 01:48:14 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 10, 2023, 01:53:47 PM
Are people going to go even without a ticket?
Of course
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 10, 2023, 02:28:33 PM
I went a couple of months ago with a few mates. We were fairly central so walked to most places, though there seemed to be a few Metro stations dotted about. Fairly typically, the airport is a bit of a distance from the centre and it took under an hour on the Metro with one change.Similar to BV, I have booked a Marriott in central area cancellable up to 27 May at £137 per night.
I have been looking closer to the stadium but finding that difficult. I have not been to Athens so not sure how easy it is to get around. Any suggestions on hotel location would be welcomed*
Last time i pre booked a ticket for a hotel and final was not a good omen - Bradford in CC semi :(
The stadium is a bit north of the centre, so the search for a hotel might depend on whether you have a ticket. If you do, then being in the suburbs around the stadia could be an option versus central hotels catering for tourists - though that said, the city gets loads of tourists so central Athens has lots of accommodation. It struck me that a lot was independently owned rather than big hotel chains - though I might be wrong ... drink was taken ;)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 10, 2023, 02:43:54 PM
Similar to BV, I have booked a Marriott in central area cancellable up to 27 May at £137 per night.
I have been looking closer to the stadium but finding that difficult. I have not been to Athens so not sure how easy it is to get around. Any suggestions on hotel location would be welcomed*
I've never been to Athens so probably better to heed those that have. I didn't worry unduly about being close to the stadium as I'd only be going there for the game. I'd look at staying somewhere more central as I presume that's where the Villa fans would be spending most of their time.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 10, 2023, 02:50:06 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on July 10, 2023, 03:24:36 PM
Heaps of accommodation and most of it is central - I'd recommend staying central or north just for convenience. There's a bar called Athens Sports Bar near the acropolis which sponsored our Villa supporters club team also and home of the Athens Lions!
Post by: algy on July 10, 2023, 07:02:18 PM
Are people going to go even without a ticket?Yes, absolutely.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 10, 2023, 08:07:55 PM
Are people going to go even without a ticket?
Yes, absolutely.
Only if Monty and Ads are going, we'll need someone to translate the Classical Greek inscriptions.
Post by: Exeter 77 on July 10, 2023, 08:17:07 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on July 10, 2023, 08:26:57 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 10, 2023, 09:21:41 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 11, 2023, 02:45:53 PM
Just need a Villa final and a ticket and a flight :)
Post by: coreyfeldman on July 11, 2023, 03:07:22 PM
Are people going to go even without a ticket?Yes, absolutely.
100%
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 11, 2023, 03:13:16 PM
Are people going to go even without a ticket?
Yes, absolutely.
Only if Monty and Ads are going, we'll need someone to translate the Classical Greek inscriptions.
Why? They've been chiselled off, and residing in the British Museum.
Post by: adrenachrome on July 11, 2023, 06:19:11 PM
Are people going to go even without a ticket?
Yes, absolutely.
Only if Monty and Ads are going, we'll need someone to translate the Classical Greek inscriptions.
Why? They've been chiselled off, and residing in the British Museum.
Have they lost their marbles?
Post by: algy on July 11, 2023, 07:22:22 PM
(Applause)Are people going to go even without a ticket?
Yes, absolutely.
Only if Monty and Ads are going, we'll need someone to translate the Classical Greek inscriptions.
Why? They've been chiselled off, and residing in the British Museum.
Have they lost their marbles?
Post by: DeKuip on July 11, 2023, 10:20:16 PM
Yes - but I’ll try and get one if the Villa are playing!Are people going to go even without a ticket?Yes, absolutely.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 12, 2023, 12:01:41 AM
Post by: LeeB on July 12, 2023, 08:56:34 AM
I wonder who's going to get the trophy and date of the final with "Winners - Aston Villa" tatooed on their leg first?
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 12, 2023, 12:55:19 PM
The night we are knocked out (if) then Booking.com will be hit with a cancellation flood they have never experienced before :)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2023, 03:57:01 PM
I wonder who's going to get the trophy and date of the final with "Winners - Aston Villa" tatooed on their leg first?
They'd have a proper badge conundrum, mind.
The Lerner MS Paint one, or the new-but-only-for-a-season-because-marketing-yada-yada round one?
Post by: exigo on July 12, 2023, 09:34:39 PM
Reminds me of sitting on a coach from Villa Park to Bordeaux for 17 hours each way for a nil nil.
Post by: VillaTim on July 12, 2023, 09:48:07 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on July 12, 2023, 10:10:56 PM
Credit to any Paide fan who made it from Estonia to the Faroe Islands tonight for their goalless draw against B36 in the Europa Conference League.
Reminds me of sitting on a coach from Villa Park to Bordeaux for 17 hours each way for a nil nil.
How come Castle Bromwich are playing in the Faroe Islands?
Post by: LeeB on July 12, 2023, 10:25:26 PM
Credit to any Paide fan who made it from Estonia to the Faroe Islands tonight for their goalless draw against B36 in the Europa Conference League.
Reminds me of sitting on a coach from Villa Park to Bordeaux for 17 hours each way for a nil nil.
How come Castle Bromwich are playing in the Faroe Islands?
Respect that postcode knowledge Chris, and we'd batter them for what it's worth
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on July 12, 2023, 10:34:24 PM
Credit to any Paide fan who made it from Estonia to the Faroe Islands tonight for their goalless draw against B36 in the Europa Conference League.
Reminds me of sitting on a coach from Villa Park to Bordeaux for 17 hours each way for a nil nil.
How come Castle Bromwich are playing in the Faroe Islands?
Respect that postcode knowledge Chris, and we'd batter them for what it's worth
It also covers Smith's Wood, Bromford, and Hodge Hill.
The Faroese league also has teams called B68 and B71.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2023, 10:58:46 PM
Credit to any Paide fan who made it from Estonia to the Faroe Islands tonight for their goalless draw against B36 in the Europa Conference League.
Reminds me of sitting on a coach from Villa Park to Bordeaux for 17 hours each way for a nil nil.
How come Castle Bromwich are playing in the Faroe Islands?
Respect that postcode knowledge Chris, and we'd batter them for what it's worth
It also covers Smith's Wood, Bromford, and Hodge Hill.
The Faroese league also has teams called B68 and B71.
The Estonian league has a team called Eston Villa.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 12, 2023, 11:05:01 PM
Credit to any Paide fan who made it from Estonia to the Faroe Islands tonight for their goalless draw against B36 in the Europa Conference League.
Reminds me of sitting on a coach from Villa Park to Bordeaux for 17 hours each way for a nil nil.
How come Castle Bromwich are playing in the Faroe Islands?
Respect that postcode knowledge Chris, and we'd batter them for what it's worth
It also covers Smith's Wood, Bromford, and Hodge Hill.
The Faroese league also has teams called B68 and B71.
The Estonian league has a team called Eston Villa.
Now they have a badge we can get behind. Can't worry about where a lion is facing if it's all letters.
Post by: VillaTim on July 12, 2023, 11:13:33 PM
All good omens in my opinionCredit to any Paide fan who made it from Estonia to the Faroe Islands tonight for their goalless draw against B36 in the Europa Conference League.
Reminds me of sitting on a coach from Villa Park to Bordeaux for 17 hours each way for a nil nil.
How come Castle Bromwich are playing in the Faroe Islands?
Respect that postcode knowledge Chris, and we'd batter them for what it's worth
It also covers Smith's Wood, Bromford, and Hodge Hill.
The Faroese league also has teams called B68 and B71.
The Estonian league has a team called Eston Villa.
Post by: darren woolley on July 13, 2023, 09:31:24 AM
Credit to any Paide fan who made it from Estonia to the Faroe Islands tonight for their goalless draw against B36 in the Europa Conference League.
Reminds me of sitting on a coach from Villa Park to Bordeaux for 17 hours each way for a nil nil.
How come Castle Bromwich are playing in the Faroe Islands?
Respect that postcode knowledge Chris, and we'd batter them for what it's worth
It also covers Smith's Wood, Bromford, and Hodge Hill.
The Faroese league also has teams called B68 and B71.
The Estonian league has a team called Eston Villa.
I would love to draw them at some point in the future.
Post by: Dazvillain on July 13, 2023, 10:57:10 PM
Take the tie away to Santa Coloma in Andorra next week.
Hoping for some more success in a few more qualifiers to get the Villa down here !!
Post by: Risso on July 13, 2023, 11:09:51 PM
Went to my local teams first qualifying round 1st leg tonight, 1~1 draw . Used to be known as Bridgend Town, but following a merger a few years ago now play under their Welsh name of Pen-y-Bont in the JD Welsh Premier. First ever game in Europe tonight, ground not conforming to UEFA standards so played at Bridgend RFC. As UEFA rules state all seating, a capacity of 1410 there which for a tiny South wales town was a great atmosphere.
Take the tie away to Santa Coloma in Andorra next week.
Hoping for some more success in a few more qualifiers to get the Villa down here !!
Sounds brilliant Daz, can't wait for us to get started.
Post by: Risso on July 13, 2023, 11:11:57 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 13, 2023, 11:14:28 PM
Post by: Dave P on July 14, 2023, 07:08:10 AM
If we do end up seeded because of Juventus being kicked out, does it make any difference to whether we'll be home or away first? Trying to plan summer travel etc.
I don’t think so. That aspect is still decided by the draw.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 14, 2023, 07:14:44 AM
I looked at the results earlier and as I was skimming down the page thought I saw 'Arsenal Twat'. A second look and it's actually 'Arsenal Tivat'. Which was disappointing.
I did the exact same thing
Post by: algy on July 14, 2023, 09:24:39 AM
Went to my local teams first qualifying round 1st leg tonight, 1~1 draw . Used to be known as Bridgend Town, but following a merger a few years ago now play under their Welsh name of Pen-y-Bont in the JD Welsh Premier. First ever game in Europe tonight, ground not conforming to UEFA standards so played at Bridgend RFC. As UEFA rules state all seating, a capacity of 1410 there which for a tiny South wales town was a great atmosphere.Good luck. My local-ish side (Connah's Quay Nomads) lost 2-0 to KA, so not looking great but might turn it around.
Take the tie away to Santa Coloma in Andorra next week.
Hoping for some more success in a few more qualifiers to get the Villa down here !!
TNS did alright in the Chumps League (lost 3-1 away to Hacken). Probably have the best chance of getting through along with yourselves.
Mostly looking forward to watching Bala in "Europe" in the Scottish Challenge Cup tho. Think that'll be a bit of a laugh, especially for any unfortunate souls that end up being draw away to Bala!
Post by: VillaTim on July 14, 2023, 09:53:29 AM
Post by: Dazvillain on July 14, 2023, 07:13:47 PM
Went to my local teams first qualifying round 1st leg tonight, 1~1 draw . Used to be known as Bridgend Town, but following a merger a few years ago now play under their Welsh name of Pen-y-Bont in the JD Welsh Premier. First ever game in Europe tonight, ground not conforming to UEFA standards so played at Bridgend RFC. As UEFA rules state all seating, a capacity of 1410 there which for a tiny South wales town was a great atmosphere.Good luck. My local-ish side (Connah's Quay Nomads) lost 2-0 to KA, so not looking great but might turn it around.
Take the tie away to Santa Coloma in Andorra next week.
Hoping for some more success in a few more qualifiers to get the Villa down here !!
TNS did alright in the Chumps League (lost 3-1 away to Hacken). Probably have the best chance of getting through along with yourselves.
Mostly looking forward to watching Bala in "Europe" in the Scottish Challenge Cup tho. Think that'll be a bit of a laugh, especially for any unfortunate souls that end up being draw away to Bala!
Algy, believe it or not Chris Venables scored our equaliser last night on his debut….. having been signed from Bala !
It’s going to be tough for Pen-y-Bont in next weeks second leg in Andora with temperature heat wave currently going around southern Europe 😎.
Good luck to your locals too. Another couple of qualifying rounds to get Villa in the draw !?
Post by: astonvilla82 on July 14, 2023, 09:49:36 PM
Post by: Beard82 on July 14, 2023, 09:51:09 PM
Hopefully Derry City can progress further, wife from the city so would be a good excuse to visit although I don't she would be happyMaybe take her with you then ;D
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 14, 2023, 09:57:09 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on July 14, 2023, 09:59:52 PM
I wouldn't have a choice, she wouldn't be happy that I can see the Villa but couldn't go with her on previous occasionsHopefully Derry City can progress further, wife from the city so would be a good excuse to visit although I don't she would be happyMaybe take her with you then ;D
Post by: astonvilla82 on July 14, 2023, 10:02:56 PM
I keep trying to persuade the Mrs that we should move to Derry so she can get an Irish passport like me (apologies to veterans of the Brexit threads). She prefers the idea of Albania (she's never been to either place, but the weather is a bit better there).Supposedly going to live there next year and will make sure I have a Aston Villa flag made,too many Liverpool and Manchester United f ers there including relatives
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 14, 2023, 10:04:20 PM
I keep trying to persuade the Mrs that we should move to Derry so she can get an Irish passport like me (apologies to veterans of the Brexit threads). She prefers the idea of Albania (she's never been to either place, but the weather is a bit better there).Supposedly going to live there next year and will make sure I have a Aston Villa flag made,too many Liverpool and Manchester United f ers there including relatives
I reckon the Man Utd and Liverpool ones will be the least of your worries, flag-wise!
Post by: astonvilla82 on July 14, 2023, 10:07:12 PM
misspelled flags,it spelt flegsI keep trying to persuade the Mrs that we should move to Derry so she can get an Irish passport like me (apologies to veterans of the Brexit threads). She prefers the idea of Albania (she's never been to either place, but the weather is a bit better there).Supposedly going to live there next year and will make sure I have a Aston Villa flag made,too many Liverpool and Manchester United f ers there including relatives
I reckon the Man Utd and Liverpool ones will be the least of your worries, flag-wise!
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 14, 2023, 10:33:38 PM
Think Institute's ground was damaged, so they groundshare with Derry.
Post by: astonvilla82 on July 14, 2023, 10:49:52 PM
Best thing about Derry is that you can watch 2 teams play home games in the same stadium, but in different Association's Leagues (Derry City and Institute).river overflowed badly and think knotweed was discovered on the land
Think Institute's ground was damaged, so they groundshare with Derry.
Post by: Dazvillain on July 18, 2023, 10:19:00 AM
Europa Conference League 2023/24 schedule
When are the 2023/24 Europa Conference League qualification rounds?
First qualifying round: 13 and 20 July 2023
Second qualifying round: 27 July and 3 August 2023
Third qualifying round: 10 and 17 August 2023
Play-offs: 24 and 31 August 2023
When are the 2023/24 Europa Conference League group stage matches?
Matchday 1: 21 September 2023
Matchday 2: 5 October 2023
Matchday 3: 26 October 2023
Matchday 4: 9 November 2023
Matchday 5: 30 November 2023
Matchday 6: 14 December 2023
When is the 2023/24 Europa Conference League knockout stage?
Knockout round play-offs: 15 and 22 February 2024
Round of 16: 7 and 14 March 2024
Quarter-finals: 11 and 18 April 2024
Semi-finals: 2 and 9 May 2024
Final: 29 May 2024
When are the 2023/24 Europa Conference League draws?
First qualifying round: 20 June 2023
Second qualifying round: 21 June 2023
Third qualifying round: 24 July 2023
Play-off round: 7 August 2023
Group stage: 1 September 2023
Knockout round play-off: 18 December 2023
Round of 16: 23 February 2024
Quarter-finals & Semi-finals: 15 March 2024
Where is the Europa Conference League final in 2024?
The Agia Sofia Stadium in Athens (AEK stadium) will host the 2024 final, which will be played on 29 May 2024.
Post by: Paul.S on July 18, 2023, 12:07:24 PM
Probably been posted previously, but with first qualifying round second legs this week, I thought I’d post other dates of note. I’ll also put them into the Tv games moved thread as potentially the Saturday fixtures after every date will be moved to Sunday kick offs, regardless of live Tv or not
Europa Conference League 2023/24 schedule
When are the 2023/24 Europa Conference League qualification rounds?
First qualifying round: 13 and 20 July 2023
Second qualifying round: 27 July and 3 August 2023
Third qualifying round: 10 and 17 August 2023
Play-offs: 24 and 31 August 2023
When are the 2023/24 Europa Conference League group stage matches?
Matchday 1: 21 September 2023
Matchday 2: 5 October 2023
Matchday 3: 26 October 2023
Matchday 4: 9 November 2023
Matchday 5: 30 November 2023
Matchday 6: 14 December 2023
When is the 2023/24 Europa Conference League knockout stage?
Knockout round play-offs: 15 and 22 February 2024
Round of 16: 7 and 14 March 2024
Quarter-finals: 11 and 18 April 2024
Semi-finals: 2 and 9 May 2024
Final: 29 May 2024
When are the 2023/24 Europa Conference League draws?
First qualifying round: 20 June 2023
Second qualifying round: 21 June 2023
Third qualifying round: 24 July 2023
Play-off round: 7 August 2023
Group stage: 1 September 2023
Knockout round play-off: 18 December 2023
Round of 16: 23 February 2024
Quarter-finals & Semi-finals: 15 March 2024
Where is the Europa Conference League final in 2024?
The Agia Sofia Stadium in Athens (AEK stadium) will host the 2024 final, which will be played on 29 May 2024.
That’s a sharp turnaround between the 3rd qualifying round and the play offs. Only a week between us knowing who we are playing and the actual game itself. Is this correct or am I reading it wrong?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 18, 2023, 12:09:57 PM
That’s a sharp turnaround between the 3rd qualifying round and the play offs. Only a week between us knowing who we are playing and the actual game itself. Is this correct or am I reading it wrong?
Good point, Unai will only be able to analyse their last 15 games in that short timeframe.
Post by: Paul.S on July 18, 2023, 12:12:23 PM
That’s a sharp turnaround between the 3rd qualifying round and the play offs. Only a week between us knowing who we are playing and the actual game itself. Is this correct or am I reading it wrong?
Good point, Unai will only be able to analyse their last 15 games in that short timeframe.
He’s probably analysed every team in it since we qualified. Not much time to book travel etc but I’d rather be in this position than not at all.
Post by: olaftab on July 18, 2023, 12:25:01 PM
Post by: eamonn on July 18, 2023, 12:57:52 PM
Seemed unlikelier than Lesta (or us) becoming the champions of England.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 01:00:58 PM
Didn't Larne win the league up north, recently? I remember how they were whipping boys when I half-followed the Norn Irish league, growing up.
Seemed unlikelier than Lesta (or us) becoming the champions of England.
My mum is from Larne. It's easily the worst town in the world.
Post by: Risso on July 18, 2023, 01:04:28 PM
Didn't Larne win the league up north, recently? I remember how they were whipping boys when I half-followed the Norn Irish league, growing up.
Seemed unlikelier than Lesta (or us) becoming the champions of England.
My mum is from Larne. It's easily the worst town in the world.
I went there for a week with work in about 2006, christ what a toilet. It seemed to be mainly Unionist (is that right?) and everybody was dressed like a video about the Troubles from the 70s. Gangs of filthy teenagers in flapping flares carting loads of pallets around to make a huge bonfire.
Post by: Paul.S on July 18, 2023, 01:05:21 PM
I don't think every team we could play in the play offs will be involved in the Third Qualifying round? So there is a chance that we will know the opposition on 7 August.
That would make sense. I did wonder if I’d got it right. Thanks.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 01:07:54 PM
Didn't Larne win the league up north, recently? I remember how they were whipping boys when I half-followed the Norn Irish league, growing up.
Seemed unlikelier than Lesta (or us) becoming the champions of England.
My mum is from Larne. It's easily the worst town in the world.
I went there for a week with work in about 2006, christ what a toilet. It seemed to be mainly Unionist (is that right?) and everybody was dressed like a video about the Troubles from the 70s. Gangs of filthy teenagers in flapping flares carting loads of pallets around to make a huge bonfire.
Yes, it's overwhelmingly Unionist. I haven't been there for over a decade, but when I was out drinking with my cousin and uncle last time, I was strongly advised not to tell anyone my name!
Edit: my name is Paddy, for anyone who doesn't know!
Post by: Risso on July 18, 2023, 01:09:10 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 01:09:45 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 18, 2023, 01:10:35 PM
I don't think every team we could play in the play offs will be involved in the Third Qualifying round? So there is a chance that we will know the opposition on 7 August.
This is correct but odds are it will be an either/or draw as only five teams (including us) enter at that round.
Incidentally, Wikipedia still have Juve competing in it. Has something changed since they were supposedly banned?
Post by: Ger Regan on July 18, 2023, 01:12:52 PM
Post by: Risso on July 18, 2023, 01:21:00 PM
Even more basic than that!
I know mate!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 18, 2023, 01:35:06 PM
Didn't Larne win the league up north, recently? I remember how they were whipping boys when I half-followed the Norn Irish league, growing up.
Seemed unlikelier than Lesta (or us) becoming the champions of England.
They've had a major injection of cash from one of the founders of Purple Bricks, who's a local lad and I believe is not of the no surrendering persuasion.
Anyway...https://twitter.com/larnefc/status/1333471004828590080?lang=en
Post by: LeeB on July 18, 2023, 04:17:13 PM
In case they'd seen your stand up?
Ooh, that's cold man.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 18, 2023, 05:12:28 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on July 18, 2023, 07:50:43 PM
Linfield are in it and should get through to the next round, you would be very welcome there if we play themDidn't Larne win the league up north, recently? I remember how they were whipping boys when I half-followed the Norn Irish league, growing up.
Seemed unlikelier than Lesta (or us) becoming the champions of England.
My mum is from Larne. It's easily the worst town in the world.
I went there for a week with work in about 2006, christ what a toilet. It seemed to be mainly Unionist (is that right?) and everybody was dressed like a video about the Troubles from the 70s. Gangs of filthy teenagers in flapping flares carting loads of pallets around to make a huge bonfire.
Yes, it's overwhelmingly Unionist. I haven't been there for over a decade, but when I was out drinking with my cousin and uncle last time, I was strongly advised not to tell anyone my name!
Edit: my name is Paddy, for anyone who doesn't know!
Post by: Skerra on July 18, 2023, 08:59:46 PM
A weight off my mind, don’t know about anyone else’s!!
Post by: j66acd on July 18, 2023, 09:39:22 PM
Post by: AV82EC on July 18, 2023, 09:40:55 PM
Does the Europa league have a play off at the end of August like the conference league? And do the losers of the play offs enter the conference league?
Yes. There are clubs who drop out of the Europa League final qualifying round into the Conf League Group draw.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 19, 2023, 03:18:21 PM
Doesn’t look like we will be playing against the might of Domzale in the Conference League as it looks like they are going out.
A weight off my mind, don’t know about anyone else’s!!
They made a decent fist of it after losing the first leg 4-1 at home. I think a Maltese side knocking out a Slovenian side is probably a shock?
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 19, 2023, 03:20:49 PM
Does the Europa league have a play off at the end of August like the conference league? And do the losers of the play offs enter the conference league?
Yes. There are clubs who drop out of the Europa League final qualifying round into the Conf League Group draw.
My son's mate is a Hammer, and he's booked a hotel in Athens as he is convinced they will bomb out of the Europa and be back with us and get to the final again!
Post by: olaftab on July 19, 2023, 03:37:13 PM
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Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 19, 2023, 03:54:37 PM
Post by: lennythekad on July 19, 2023, 04:03:34 PM
Post by: AV84 on July 19, 2023, 04:05:36 PM
Post by: Paul.S on July 19, 2023, 04:10:47 PM
Post by: lennythekad on July 19, 2023, 04:24:53 PM
I’m sure they said seeded teams will be away first.
Taken from UEFA Rankings on Twitter and Wiki,
Prior to the draw, UEFA may form groups of seeded teams and unseeded teams in accordance with the principles set by the Club Competitions Committee. The first team drawn in each tie will be the home team of the first leg.
Post by: john e on July 19, 2023, 04:24:57 PM
Post by: Dazvillain on July 19, 2023, 04:25:26 PM
What date is the draw ?7th August
Post by: lennythekad on July 19, 2023, 04:25:34 PM
What date is the draw ?
7th August
Post by: olaftab on July 19, 2023, 05:04:17 PM
Does that not depend on if they pull out of seeded or unseeded pot first, that is if they have two pots? And also if there are going to be equal number of seeded and unseeded teams after the final qualifying round.I’m sure they said seeded teams will be away first.
Taken from UEFA Rankings on Twitter and Wiki,
Prior to the draw, UEFA may form groups of seeded teams and unseeded teams in accordance with the principles set by the Club Competitions Committee. The first team drawn in each tie will be the home team of the first leg.
Post by: AV82EC on July 19, 2023, 05:27:52 PM
Does that not depend on if they pull out of seeded or unseeded pot first, that is if they have two pots? And also if there are going to be equal number of seeded and unseeded teams after the final qualifying round.I’m sure they said seeded teams will be away first.
Taken from UEFA Rankings on Twitter and Wiki,
Prior to the draw, UEFA may form groups of seeded teams and unseeded teams in accordance with the principles set by the Club Competitions Committee. The first team drawn in each tie will be the home team of the first leg.
Everyone gets reseeded after the Play Off Round into 4 pots. Let’s worry about that if we get there.
Post by: Dogtanian on July 19, 2023, 05:31:47 PM
Does that not depend on if they pull out of seeded or unseeded pot first, that is if they have two pots? And also if there are going to be equal number of seeded and unseeded teams after the final qualifying round.I’m sure they said seeded teams will be away first.
Taken from UEFA Rankings on Twitter and Wiki,
Prior to the draw, UEFA may form groups of seeded teams and unseeded teams in accordance with the principles set by the Club Competitions Committee. The first team drawn in each tie will be the home team of the first leg.
I’m gonna leave all worry of seeded and unseeded pots to the manager of the local fertility clinic.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 19, 2023, 05:50:47 PM
I keep trying to persuade the Mrs that we should move to Derry so she can get an Irish passport like me (apologies to veterans of the Brexit threads). She prefers the idea of Albania (she's never been to either place, but the weather is a bit better there).
How long do you have to live in Derry to get the passport? Do you need sponsorship via work or something too?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 19, 2023, 05:56:53 PM
I keep trying to persuade the Mrs that we should move to Derry so she can get an Irish passport like me (apologies to veterans of the Brexit threads). She prefers the idea of Albania (she's never been to either place, but the weather is a bit better there).
How long do you have to live in Derry to get the passport? Do you need sponsorship via work or something too?
Three years on the island of Ireland.
Post by: SaddVillan on July 19, 2023, 05:57:28 PM
I keep trying to persuade the Mrs that we should move to Derry so she can get an Irish passport like me (apologies to veterans of the Brexit threads). She prefers the idea of Albania (she's never been to either place, but the weather is a bit better there).
How long do you have to live in Derry to get the passport? Do you need sponsorship via work or something too?
From the Irish Department of Foreign Affairs website:
The spouse or civil partner of an Irish citizen may apply for Irish citizenship through naturalisation after three years of marriage/civil partnership plus three years residence on the island of Ireland.
Post by: lennythekad on July 19, 2023, 08:49:00 PM
Does that not depend on if they pull out of seeded or unseeded pot first, that is if they have two pots? And also if there are going to be equal number of seeded and unseeded teams after the final qualifying round.I’m sure they said seeded teams will be away first.
Taken from UEFA Rankings on Twitter and Wiki,
Prior to the draw, UEFA may form groups of seeded teams and unseeded teams in accordance with the principles set by the Club Competitions Committee. The first team drawn in each tie will be the home team of the first leg.
Not sure about the technicalities of the draw. UEFA seem to make everything as complicated as possible. Before the draw, they’ll split the seeded and unseeded into smaller groups based on undisclosed info relating to UEFA coefficients. They release this at 0900 CET on the morning of the draw, which takes place at 1400 CET.
Post by: FrankyH on July 19, 2023, 09:22:44 PM
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Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 19, 2023, 10:08:31 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on July 19, 2023, 10:12:51 PM
Is it just me , or does the permutations of seeding , fixtures , cup draws and all the other gubbins that go with Europa Conference League seem more complex than Quantum Physics.
We'll probably get drawn against Hajduk Split.
Post by: Exeter 77 on July 19, 2023, 10:16:17 PM
I wouldn't mind a trip to their Poljud ground.Is it just me , or does the permutations of seeding , fixtures , cup draws and all the other gubbins that go with Europa Conference League seem more complex than Quantum Physics.
We'll probably get drawn against Hajduk Split.
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 19, 2023, 10:34:17 PM
Is it just me , or does the permutations of seeding , fixtures , cup draws and all the other gubbins that go with Europa Conference League seem more complex than Quantum Physics.
Yes agree. Im just waiting for someone to tell me exactly what is happening, given up trying to work it out.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 20, 2023, 10:51:45 PM
St. Pat's, Glentoran and Connah's Quay Nomads are out.
Shamrock Rovers and Larne lost in last night's CL qualifiers and have dropped into the UECL.
Post by: coreyfeldman on July 20, 2023, 10:53:44 PM
I wouldn't mind a trip to their Poljud ground.Is it just me , or does the permutations of seeding , fixtures , cup draws and all the other gubbins that go with Europa Conference League seem more complex than Quantum Physics.
We'll probably get drawn against Hajduk Split.
It's fucking well rowdy over there, would make me nervous that one. Most of the balkans tbh, and Greece would be scary and all
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 20, 2023, 11:55:16 PM
Post by: eamonn on July 21, 2023, 01:42:09 AM
Derry, Dundalk, Linfield, Crusaders and Haverfordwest are through in tonight's qualifiers.
St. Pat's, Glentoran and Connah's Quay Nomads are out.
Shamrock Rovers and Larne lost in last night's CL qualifiers and have dropped into the UECL.
The Irish/UK teams that got knocked out - would they have expected to beat the clubs they came up against? ie which countries were they from?
I only heard that Derry City had squeaked through in their Conference League tie and I thought they might have taken a scalp. Then I saw it was a bunch of amateurs from the Faroe Islands! FFS!
I don't see how things have noticeably improved since the switch to summer soccer in Ireland. Ostensibly done to improve European chances and improve attendances but apart from Dundalk and Shamrock Rovers making a Europa group stage before being also-rans, has anything actually got better as a whole for the League of Ireland?
Post by: algy on July 21, 2023, 07:27:35 AM
Dunno about the others, but ..Derry, Dundalk, Linfield, Crusaders and Haverfordwest are through in tonight's qualifiers.
St. Pat's, Glentoran and Connah's Quay Nomads are out.
Shamrock Rovers and Larne lost in last night's CL qualifiers and have dropped into the UECL.
The Irish/UK teams that got knocked out - would they have expected to beat the clubs they came up against? ie which countries were they from?
I only heard that Derry City had squeaked through in their Conference League tie and I thought they might have taken a scalp. Then I saw it was a bunch of amateurs from the Faroe Islands! FFS!
I don't see how things have noticeably improved since the switch to summer soccer in Ireland. Ostensibly done to improve European chances and improve attendances but apart from Dundalk and Shamrock Rovers making a Europa group stage before being also-rans, has anything actually got better as a whole for the League of Ireland?
Welsh clubs in Europe:
Haverfordwest did brilliantly to win against Shkëndija. They finished 7th in the Welsh league, only qualified through the playoffs, and on paper had the hardest draw of the Conference League clubs. Lost 1-0 in the away leg, won 1-0 in the home leg. Sure home advantage helps for them - it's a git of a place to get to.
Connah's Quay Nomads - lost to KA (Iceland) 4-0 on agg. Slightly disappointing, thought it was a winnable game for CQN and the next round would've seen them play Dundalk, another potentially beatable team.
Penybont - lost to Santa Colomba (Andorra). Disappointing. There's not many national leagues that you'd expect Welsh teams to generally go in favourites against. I mentioned CQN's games as winnable - that was glass half full territory, realistically the Icelandic league is much stronger than the Welsh league currently. Penybont I thought were nailed on to go through.
The New Saints - lost to Hacken BK (Sweden). As expected really. Kept the scores respectable, which is a good start. They've got some club from Luxembourg next round. Beat them and I think maybe TNS have a chance of making the group stages, if they get a kind draw. There's 3 or 4 decent sides in the Champions Path for the Conference League, but they're mostly ones that are ... well, they're winnable games in the sense that it might be a bit of an unexpected result, but not beyond the realms of possibility.
Post by: algy on July 21, 2023, 07:42:35 AM
Haverfordwest did well, and I'm still hopeful that at some point TNS will do something. I know they're not particularly popular with most Welsh football fans, but the way I see it is that they represent the best chance of raising the profile of the Welsh game, maybe making it slightly more attractive for Welsh players to stay in Wales. And bring Merthyr Town in to the Welsh league system maybe - they're an outlier in being a side playing in England but would maybe be better off in the Welsh league (and the Welsh league would be better with them in it). Especially now that Colwyn Bay have moved over.
Post by: teamvillage on July 21, 2023, 11:04:38 AM
Gutted about Penybont, had already pencilled in a trip across from Cardiff for the next round...
Post by: Dazvillain on July 21, 2023, 02:37:04 PM
Dunno about the others, but ..Derry, Dundalk, Linfield, Crusaders and Haverfordwest are through in tonight's qualifiers.
St. Pat's, Glentoran and Connah's Quay Nomads are out.
Shamrock Rovers and Larne lost in last night's CL qualifiers and have dropped into the UECL.
The Irish/UK teams that got knocked out - would they have expected to beat the clubs they came up against? ie which countries were they from?
I only heard that Derry City had squeaked through in their Conference League tie and I thought they might have taken a scalp. Then I saw it was a bunch of amateurs from the Faroe Islands! FFS!
I don't see how things have noticeably improved since the switch to summer soccer in Ireland. Ostensibly done to improve European chances and improve attendances but apart from Dundalk and Shamrock Rovers making a Europa group stage before being also-rans, has anything actually got better as a whole for the League of Ireland?
Welsh clubs in Europe:
Haverfordwest did brilliantly to win against Shkëndija. They finished 7th in the Welsh league, only qualified through the playoffs, and on paper had the hardest draw of the Conference League clubs. Lost 1-0 in the away leg, won 1-0 in the home leg. Sure home advantage helps for them - it's a git of a place to get to.
Connah's Quay Nomads - lost to KA (Iceland) 4-0 on agg. Slightly disappointing, thought it was a winnable game for CQN and the next round would've seen them play Dundalk, another potentially beatable team.
Penybont - lost to Santa Colomba (Andorra). Disappointing. There's not many national leagues that you'd expect Welsh teams to generally go in favourites against. I mentioned CQN's games as winnable - that was glass half full territory, realistically the Icelandic league is much stronger than the Welsh league currently. Penybont I thought were nailed on to go through.
The New Saints - lost to Hacken BK (Sweden). As expected really. Kept the scores respectable, which is a good start. They've got some club from Luxembourg next round. Beat them and I think maybe TNS have a chance of making the group stages, if they get a kind draw. There's 3 or 4 decent sides in the Champions Path for the Conference League, but they're mostly ones that are ... well, they're winnable games in the sense that it might be a bit of an unexpected result, but not beyond the realms of possibility.
Gutted Pen-y-Bont went out, but brilliant news for Welsh league that Haverfordwest got through as it currently means that 4 teams from Welsh premier will qualify for Europe again this season.
Post by: AV84 on July 21, 2023, 02:39:20 PM
Post by: algy on July 21, 2023, 02:55:49 PM
What do you mean stay in Wales, Algy? TNS is in England!Nah, people bring this up but I'm not having it. Croesoswallt* is Welsh. It's blatantly obvious that it's Welsh to anyone who's been there. It may be the 'wrong' side of the border, but I'm not having it that it's anything other than a predominantly Welsh town. In fact, I'm going down Wrexham barracks tonight to round up the TAs and we're gonna take the fucker back.
Gutted about Penybont, had already pencilled in a trip across from Cardiff for the next round...
* I know technically they don't play in Oswestry either ...
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 21, 2023, 08:42:11 PM
What do you mean stay in Wales, Algy? TNS is in England!Nah, people bring this up but I'm not having it. Croesoswallt* is Welsh. It's blatantly obvious that it's Welsh to anyone who's been there. It may be the 'wrong' side of the border, but I'm not having it that it's anything other than a predominantly Welsh town. In fact, I'm going down Wrexham barracks tonight to round up the TAs and we're gonna take the fucker back.
Gutted about Penybont, had already pencilled in a trip across from Cardiff for the next round...
* I know technically they don't play in Oswestry either ...
I thought TNS were Total Network Solutions, are they the same team as The New Saints?
Post by: john e on July 22, 2023, 08:21:31 AM
What date is the draw ?7th August
Thanks
Post by: john e on July 22, 2023, 08:23:12 AM
What date is the draw ?
7th August
Thanks
Post by: Border villan on July 22, 2023, 11:03:14 AM
What do you mean stay in Wales, Algy? TNS is in England!Nah, people bring this up but I'm not having it. Croesoswallt* is Welsh. It's blatantly obvious that it's Welsh to anyone who's been there. It may be the 'wrong' side of the border, but I'm not having it that it's anything other than a predominantly Welsh town. In fact, I'm going down Wrexham barracks tonight to round up the TAs and we're gonna take the fucker back.
Gutted about Penybont, had already pencilled in a trip across from Cardiff for the next round...
* I know technically they don't play in Oswestry either ...
I thought TNS were Total Network Solutions, are they the same team as The New Saints?
Yes, same team who changed their name several years ago.
Post by: Ducksworthy on July 25, 2023, 06:26:46 PM
https://twitter.com/uefarankings/status/1683792387867389952?s=46&t=MO9Hr66rdA1GUp0mSdtQrA
Post by: Richard E on July 25, 2023, 06:32:44 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 25, 2023, 06:46:23 PM
Haven't seen anything official about Juve. Do we know for certain they're not entering? UEFA's official website and Wiki have them entering in the playoff round.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 25, 2023, 06:47:53 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2%80%9324_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League_qualifying_phase_and_play-off_round#Play-off_round
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2023, 06:52:59 PM
Post by: trinityoap on July 25, 2023, 07:35:13 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on July 25, 2023, 08:43:11 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 25, 2023, 08:46:15 PM
When's the draw?
Auguest 7th.
Post by: Risso on July 25, 2023, 08:46:59 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on July 25, 2023, 08:47:51 PM
Probably been posted previously, but with first qualifying round second legs this week, I thought I’d post other dates of note. I’ll also put them into the Tv games moved thread as potentially the Saturday fixtures after every date will be moved to Sunday kick offs, regardless of live Tv or not
Europa Conference League 2023/24 schedule
When are the 2023/24 Europa Conference League qualification rounds?
First qualifying round: 13 and 20 July 2023
Second qualifying round: 27 July and 3 August 2023
Third qualifying round: 10 and 17 August 2023
Play-offs: 24 and 31 August 2023
When are the 2023/24 Europa Conference League group stage matches?
Matchday 1: 21 September 2023
Matchday 2: 5 October 2023
Matchday 3: 26 October 2023
Matchday 4: 9 November 2023
Matchday 5: 30 November 2023
Matchday 6: 14 December 2023
When is the 2023/24 Europa Conference League knockout stage?
Knockout round play-offs: 15 and 22 February 2024
Round of 16: 7 and 14 March 2024
Quarter-finals: 11 and 18 April 2024
Semi-finals: 2 and 9 May 2024
Final: 29 May 2024
When are the 2023/24 Europa Conference League draws?
First qualifying round: 20 June 2023
Second qualifying round: 21 June 2023
Third qualifying round: 24 July 2023
Play-off round: 7 August 2023
Group stage: 1 September 2023
Knockout round play-off: 18 December 2023
Round of 16: 23 February 2024
Quarter-finals & Semi-finals: 15 March 2024
Where is the Europa Conference League final in 2024?
The Agia Sofia Stadium in Athens (AEK stadium) will host the 2024 final, which will be played on 29 May 2024.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 25, 2023, 08:48:29 PM
Post by: Risso on July 25, 2023, 08:49:26 PM
Already have, I think. Fiorentina have taken their place, and we're now, somehow, seeded.
They're still listed on that UEFA link above, so nothing's happened yet by the look of it.
Post by: Pete3206 on July 25, 2023, 08:50:33 PM
When's the draw?
Auguest 7th.
Thanks. Where's the final?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 25, 2023, 08:51:22 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 25, 2023, 09:03:24 PM
It’s either really complicated as a qualification process or I no longer have the time and patience to understand how things work.
Just think of it like the third round Cup draw. We'll be in it, fuck knows who we'll be playing, but it's definitely our year.
Post by: tomd2103 on July 25, 2023, 09:21:25 PM
It’s either really complicated as a qualification process or I no longer have the time and patience to understand how things work.
Just think of it like the third round Cup draw. We'll be in it, fuck knows who we'll be playing, but it's definitely our year.
Won’t be like that. We can’t draw Manchester United away.
Post by: Small Rodent on July 25, 2023, 09:26:03 PM
Post by: eamonn on July 25, 2023, 09:35:02 PM
When's the draw?
Auguest 7th.
Thanks. Where's the final?
Athens. Keep up - everyone's booked their hotel room there already!
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2023, 10:18:00 PM
It’s either really complicated as a qualification process or I no longer have the time and patience to understand how things work.
Just think of it like the third round Cup draw. We'll be in it, fuck knows who we'll be playing, but it's definitely our year.
So we are out before the group stages. Great.
Post by: charlatan on July 25, 2023, 10:21:00 PM
Or Stevenage at homeIt’s either really complicated as a qualification process or I no longer have the time and patience to understand how things work.
Just think of it like the third round Cup draw. We'll be in it, fuck knows who we'll be playing, but it's definitely our year.
Won’t be like that. We can’t draw Manchester United away.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2023, 10:26:32 PM
Post by: Risso on July 25, 2023, 10:28:52 PM
Stevenage at home was another sliding doors moment for us. Massively shit at the time but ultimately became the platform for our recovery and how we performed the rest of the season.
Er, no.
Post by: purpletrousers on July 25, 2023, 10:35:39 PM
I just want Legia Warsaw or Pogon Szczecin and I will be H&V city guide for a ticket!
Now that has got me thinking!
Who on here is in a town/ near a club in Europe who would be our wo/man in the know/on location/local correspondent/guide/translator? I guess there are a bunch that can drop down from the other completion/s too?
Not that I’m likely to get out of childcare for a trip that I can’t afford but I can but fantasise…
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2023, 10:40:24 PM
Stevenage at home was another sliding doors moment for us. Massively shit at the time but ultimately became the platform for our recovery and how we performed the rest of the season.
Er, no.
In your opinion. In mine it gave Emery valuable info about some of the players he had at the club and who he could trust. It didn’t shock me he didn’t rotate the side much outside of need for most of the remainder of the season. We don’t need to relitigate the game. In the right hands, bad things can teach and educate and lead to good things.
Post by: Risso on July 25, 2023, 10:50:18 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 25, 2023, 10:51:20 PM
Stevenage at home was another sliding doors moment for us. Massively shit at the time but ultimately became the platform for our recovery and how we performed the rest of the season.
Er, no.
In your opinion. In mine it gave Emery valuable info about some of the players he had at the club and who he could trust. It didn’t shock me he didn’t rotate the side much outside of need for most of the remainder of the season. We don’t need to relitigate the game. In the right hands, bad things can teach and educate and lead to good things.
The one area he has yet to address and needs to be addressed quickly is the back up keeper. They appear to be very relaxed about it. Maybe they’re all over it but there isn’t a sign anywhere that they are. To me it’s such a problem area that if Martinez is out for a few weeks we will be screwed.
Post by: VillaTim on July 25, 2023, 10:58:11 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on July 26, 2023, 01:25:05 AM
Stevenage at home was another sliding doors moment for us. Massively shit at the time but ultimately became the platform for our recovery and how we performed the rest of the season.
Er, no.
In your opinion. In mine it gave Emery valuable info about some of the players he had at the club and who he could trust. It didn’t shock me he didn’t rotate the side much outside of need for most of the remainder of the season. We don’t need to relitigate the game. In the right hands, bad things can teach and educate and lead to good things.
The one area he has yet to address and needs to be addressed quickly is the back up keeper. They appear to be very relaxed about it. Maybe they’re all over it but there isn’t a sign anywhere that they are. To me it’s such a problem area that if Martinez is out for a few weeks we will be screwed.
Is there nothing to be said for just finding someone with abnormally large hands who is prepared to windmill up and down the goal line for 90 minutes in the early rounds?
Post by: LeeB on July 26, 2023, 09:46:55 AM
Stevenage at home was another sliding doors moment for us. Massively shit at the time but ultimately became the platform for our recovery and how we performed the rest of the season.
Er, no.
In your opinion. In mine it gave Emery valuable info about some of the players he had at the club and who he could trust. It didn’t shock me he didn’t rotate the side much outside of need for most of the remainder of the season. We don’t need to relitigate the game. In the right hands, bad things can teach and educate and lead to good things.
The one area he has yet to address and needs to be addressed quickly is the back up keeper. They appear to be very relaxed about it. Maybe they’re all over it but there isn’t a sign anywhere that they are. To me it’s such a problem area that if Martinez is out for a few weeks we will be screwed.
Is there nothing to be said for just finding someone with abnormally large hands who is prepared to windmill up and down the goal line for 90 minutes in the early rounds?
Sepp Maier is only 79, I'd have him over Olsen still
Post by: Dave on July 28, 2023, 06:27:11 PM
Quote
Juventus have been handed a one-year ban from European competitions by UEFA for breaches of club licensing and financial fair play.
The Italian club have also been fined €20million.
So that's Fiorentina in, and us definitely seeded right?
Post by: mrfuse on July 28, 2023, 06:41:41 PM
QuoteJuventus have been handed a one-year ban from European competitions by UEFA for breaches of club licensing and financial fair play.
The Italian club have also been fined €20million.
So that's Fiorentina in, and us definitely seeded right?
Yep were now seeded.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 28, 2023, 06:56:42 PM
QuoteJuventus have been handed a one-year ban from European competitions by UEFA for breaches of club licensing and financial fair play.
The Italian club have also been fined €20million.
So that's Fiorentina in, and us definitely seeded right?
Yep were now seeded.
Have kind of lost interest till the draw next week, but I vaguely remember reading that it might also depend on the coefficient of the teams dropping down from the Europa League. Not sure if this still is (or ever was) a possibility.
On the plus side, Rapid Vienna only won 1-0 at home last night so might be out by the play-off round.
Post by: Chap on July 28, 2023, 07:05:41 PM
From the BBC
Juventus have been kicked out of this season's Europa Conference League by Uefa and fined for breaching Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules.
European football's governing body has also fined Chelsea for breaching FFP rules as a result of "submitting incomplete financial information".
Uefa says the matter relates to transactions which took place between 2012 and 2019.
Juventus have been fined £17.14m, while Chelsea have been fined £8.57m.
The Italian club will only have to pay half of their fine if their financial records for the next three years comply with regulations, while Chelsea have already agreed to pay the settlement figure.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2023, 07:26:28 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2023, 07:50:17 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2023, 07:53:07 PM
fucking hell just make the draw already
I have absolutely no idea how any of this works.
Is it the most complicated format ever?
Post by: AV82EC on July 28, 2023, 07:59:05 PM
fucking hell just make the draw already
I have absolutely no idea how any of this works.
Is it the most complicated format ever?
No.
Post by: Steve67 on July 28, 2023, 08:13:03 PM
Post by: john e on July 28, 2023, 08:50:06 PM
Stevenage at home was another sliding doors moment for us. Massively shit at the time but ultimately became the platform for our recovery and how we performed the rest of the season.
Er, no.
In your opinion. In mine it gave Emery valuable info about some of the players he had at the club and who he could trust. It didn’t shock me he didn’t rotate the side much outside of need for most of the remainder of the season. We don’t need to relitigate the game. In the right hands, bad things can teach and educate and lead to good things.
If it was such valuable info how come Olsen is still our no2 keeper then
We should never be going out to the likes of Stevenage in a cup competition there is no silver lining whatsoever
Just another year we fucked about and won nothing
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 28, 2023, 09:00:42 PM
Post by: paul_e on July 28, 2023, 09:04:58 PM
Could do with another seed being knocked out, so we can't draw Fiorentina
Basel are 3-1 down from their first leg which would fit the bill.
Post by: AV82EC on July 28, 2023, 09:06:48 PM
Could do with another seed being knocked out, so we can't draw Fiorentina
How does that work then?
Post by: Dave on July 28, 2023, 09:08:38 PM
Could do with another seed being knocked out, so we can't draw Fiorentina
How does that work then?
Another seed gets knocked out, Fiorentina move to the seeded side like us.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 28, 2023, 09:13:52 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 28, 2023, 09:17:46 PM
Could do with another seed being knocked out, so we can't draw Fiorentina
Basel are 3-1 down from their first leg which would fit the bill.
Home draws as well for Cluj, PAOK and Plzen.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 28, 2023, 09:20:00 PM
Could do with another seed being knocked out, so we can't draw Fiorentina
Who West Ham seen off in the final to win it? They weren’t much good and if we can’t beat them should we end up against them then so be it. We will, or at least should be the favourites in the tournament. I fear no one.
Post by: algy on July 28, 2023, 09:22:40 PM
Just you wait until they start using their butchered version of the Swiss system from next seasonfucking hell just make the draw already
I have absolutely no idea how any of this works.
Is it the most complicated format ever?
Post by: CT Villan on July 28, 2023, 10:03:10 PM
Post by: AV82EC on July 28, 2023, 10:18:22 PM
Could do with another seed being knocked out, so we can't draw Fiorentina
How does that work then?
Another seed gets knocked out, Fiorentina move to the seeded side like us.
Ah right, thank you.
Post by: garyfouroaks on July 29, 2023, 07:14:46 PM
These are the unseeded teams i fancy in the 7th August draw: , Lech Poznan, Rapid Wien, , Besiktas, CSKA Sofia, Twente, Arouca, Legia Warsaw, Rosenborg, Fiorentina
Post by: Dogtanian on July 29, 2023, 07:17:04 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 29, 2023, 07:52:41 PM
Love Bruges or Frankfurt.
Not Bruges, lovely city but we'd never be able to bring as many as Small Heath did.
Post by: Somniloquism on July 29, 2023, 07:57:30 PM
Love Bruges or Frankfurt.
Not Bruges, lovely city but we'd never be able to bring as many as Small Heath did.
We might be able to discover the ones still lost over there.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 29, 2023, 11:17:45 PM
Post by: Smirker on July 30, 2023, 12:01:52 AM
Juventus, Utd and Chelsea punished, but what, if anything, is happening with City. Did City run out of brown paper bags and are awaiting fresh supplies before this miraculously resolves itself in their favor ?
Its coming.
Post by: tomd2103 on July 30, 2023, 01:41:31 AM
These are the seeded teams that i fancy a visit to:: Club Brugge, Basel, Panathinaikos, AZ Alkmaar ( obviously we would need to borrow Knowlsy as security), Fenerbahce, , Partizan Belgrade, Maccabi Tel Aviv, Lillle, Eintracht Frankfurt .
These are the unseeded teams i fancy in the 7th August draw: , Lech Poznan, Rapid Wien, , Besiktas, CSKA Sofia, Twente, Arouca, Legia Warsaw, Rosenborg, Fiorentina
To be honest, some of them sound a bit difficult for a qualifying round. Would prefer someone like TNS or Haverfordwest over two legs to get into the group stage first!!
Post by: Ads on July 30, 2023, 08:34:48 AM
Love Bruges or Frankfurt.
Frankfurt are a shower of twats. It would be a right load of grief playing them.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 30, 2023, 08:37:04 AM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 30, 2023, 08:46:59 AM
Didn't Lille knock us out of Europe before?
Intertoto in 2002. Drew at their place but they beat us at home.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 30, 2023, 09:35:51 AM
Post by: john e on July 30, 2023, 09:38:35 AM
I told my kids we would go if it was a reasonable trip. We are season-ticket holders but I’m beginning to doubt if we will get tickets now because it seems as though our first trip in Europe for ages will be quite popular
Btw I just sent that from a hot beach in Kos
Post by: Ads on July 30, 2023, 10:04:21 AM
Post by: Lsvilla on July 30, 2023, 10:34:10 AM
I'm looking forward to August 7th more than my birthday.Me too. Although we won't know who we're playing until 17th. Unless the first leg results in a comprehensive win for someone.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 30, 2023, 10:35:53 AM
Cheers Meanwood. Was at the home game, but seem to have blocked the memory out.
One of their goals was a huge deflection I think but can't remember much else
Post by: Lucky Eddie on July 30, 2023, 10:45:55 AM
I'm looking forward to August 7th more than my birthday.Me too. Although we won't know who we're playing until 17th. Unless the first leg results in a comprehensive win for someone.
Is that right? I thought we played on the 17th?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 30, 2023, 10:49:16 AM
I'm looking forward to August 7th more than my birthday.Me too. Although we won't know who we're playing until 17th. Unless the first leg results in a comprehensive win for someone.
Is that right? I thought we played on the 17th?
We play on the 24th and 31st.
Post by: Paul.S on July 30, 2023, 10:50:58 AM
Depending on who we draw how do you think the ticket uptake will go
I told my kids we would go if it was a reasonable trip. We are season-ticket holders but I’m beginning to doubt if we will get tickets now because it seems as though our first trip in Europe for ages will be quite popular
Btw I just sent that from a hot beach in Kos
Going on what West Ham were given last season there won’t be many. I think the official ruling is that the home team give 5% of the capacity to away fans. There’s always more than 1 way to get a ticket though and I’ll be going hoping to get 1 when I’m there if I can’t get 1 officially. Many West Ham fans did the same last season at certain grounds.
Post by: Lucky Eddie on July 30, 2023, 10:54:17 AM
I'm looking forward to August 7th more than my birthday.Me too. Although we won't know who we're playing until 17th. Unless the first leg results in a comprehensive win for someone.
Is that right? I thought we played on the 17th?
We play on the 24th and 31st.
Then I've booked the wrong time off work 🙃
Thank you for bringing this to my attention
Post by: Martyn Smith on July 30, 2023, 10:55:55 AM
Post by: AV84 on July 30, 2023, 11:00:17 AM
I'm looking forward to August 7th more than my birthday.Me too. Although we won't know who we're playing until 17th. Unless the first leg results in a comprehensive win for someone.
Wait.... does that mean that even when the draw is made on the 7th we'll be getting an either/or opponent?
Post by: Paul.S on July 30, 2023, 11:10:16 AM
I'm looking forward to August 7th more than my birthday.Me too. Although we won't know who we're playing until 17th. Unless the first leg results in a comprehensive win for someone.
Wait.... does that mean that even when the draw is made on the 7th we'll be getting an either/or opponent?
Yes.
Post by: olaftab on July 30, 2023, 11:31:36 AM
Unlucky…..Eddie😊Then I've booked the wrong time off work 🙃I'm looking forward to August 7th more than my birthday.Me too. Although we won't know who we're playing until 17th. Unless the first leg results in a comprehensive win for someone.
Is that right? I thought we played on the 17th?
We play on the 24th and 31st.
Thank you for bringing this to my attention
Post by: eamonn on July 30, 2023, 11:46:02 AM
I'm looking forward to August 7th more than my birthday.
Yeah but if your birthday isn't til next...March or something, that may not mean much.
If it's next week - well, many happy returns!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 30, 2023, 11:48:03 AM
I've just read through and worked out the format for the ECL and feel like I should be awarded an A-Level or something...
They were going to have a Conference League themed question on Only Connect but it was deemed too difficult.
Post by: Somniloquism on July 30, 2023, 12:22:47 PM
Unlucky…..Eddie😊Then I've booked the wrong time off work 🙃I'm looking forward to August 7th more than my birthday.Me too. Although we won't know who we're playing until 17th. Unless the first leg results in a comprehensive win for someone.
Is that right? I thought we played on the 17th?
We play on the 24th and 31st.
Thank you for bringing this to my attention
Nah, he found out in time to change it so Lucky again.
Post by: Martyn Smith on July 30, 2023, 03:37:40 PM
I've just read through and worked out the format for the ECL and feel like I should be awarded an A-Level or something...
They were going to have a Conference League themed question on Only Connect but it was deemed too difficult.
It's almost as complicated as the knockout system for Only Connect...
Of course the competition has the debris of 2 other competitions to pick up as they go along
Post by: charlatan on July 30, 2023, 03:58:10 PM
I've just read through and worked out the format for the ECL and feel like I should be awarded an A-Level or something...Seems a fitting way to acknowledge the devaluation of both A-levels and european football.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 30, 2023, 04:12:55 PM
I've just read through and worked out the format for the ECL and feel like I should be awarded an A-Level or something...
Seems a fitting way to acknowledge the devaluation of both A-levels and european football.
:D
Post by: Ads on July 30, 2023, 08:06:21 PM
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2023, 08:07:52 PM
Just booked an apartment with a view of the Acropolis for 5 days for the 26th to the 31st. Tempting fate like a Kopite here.
Me and my mate have done the same. Worst case scenario it's a few days in a historic city I've never been to.
Post by: Ads on July 30, 2023, 08:13:24 PM
Just booked an apartment with a view of the Acropolis for 5 days for the 26th to the 31st. Tempting fate like a Kopite here.
Me and my mate have done the same. Worst case scenario it's a few days in a historic city I've never been to.
Yeah my thinking too. Oozing history, places to go and eat, so worst things happen at sea. Still, if we could win the thing, then even better. Gatwick seems to be best for flights.
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 30, 2023, 08:15:06 PM
Post by: Skerra on July 31, 2023, 01:56:08 PM
Post by: eamonn on July 31, 2023, 02:18:25 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 31, 2023, 02:28:59 PM
Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2023, 02:37:01 PM
Post by: teamvillage on July 31, 2023, 03:39:13 PM
I'm spending all week in the office telling the Cardiff City fans how exciting it is to have European football in town.
Post by: algy on July 31, 2023, 04:06:54 PM
I spotted yesterday that Haverfordwest have had to host their home game in Cardiff on Thursday (a mere 2-hour drive from their home ground, but a 30-minute walk for me) , so I've stumped up a princely £11 for a ticket. Attendance looks like it will be about 1k in a 33k stadium.;D
I'm spending all week in the office telling the Cardiff City fans how exciting it is to have European football in town.
They lost 2-1 away, didn't they? So not impossible that Haverfordwest could be in the 3rd qualifying round ...
Post by: AV84 on July 31, 2023, 04:51:55 PM
Post by: algy on July 31, 2023, 05:03:51 PM
TNS have played at the Racecourse Ground in Wrexham before when they get a 'big' team.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 31, 2023, 09:05:14 PM
How do they arrange all the fixtures for their domestic League?
Post by: tomd2103 on July 31, 2023, 10:49:08 PM
Think there's a requirement for some clubs to play at bigger grounds, e.g. Connah's Quay Nomads (perhaps appropriately) play their European matches at Rhyl's ground.
TNS have played at the Racecourse Ground in Wrexham before when they get a 'big' team.
Might be wrong, but I seem to remember TNS playing either Liverpool or Manchester City at the then named Millennium Stadium in a European competition as well.
Post by: Ads on July 31, 2023, 11:25:26 PM
Post by: eamonn on July 31, 2023, 11:47:04 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 01, 2023, 12:24:20 AM
We had to play at the Hawthorns too when the Trinity was being done. Very odd.
Was that when we stank the place out Vs Celta Vigo?
Post by: Ads on August 01, 2023, 12:31:35 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 01, 2023, 12:36:54 AM
Post by: yammers on August 01, 2023, 06:16:04 AM
Btw I just sent that from a hot beach in KosI was on Paradiso Beach, Kos on Sunday too, what are the chances?!!
Post by: john e on August 01, 2023, 07:15:39 AM
Btw I just sent that from a hot beach in KosI was on Paradiso Beach, Kos on Sunday too, what are the chances?!!
Doing the 3 island tour today on a boat named the Poseidon hope it doesn’t go the way of the film
Post by: Ads on August 01, 2023, 08:07:45 AM
Ground all largely normal, single tier stuff inside, not a million miles away from the pitch as you are at Molineux, which must be the 2nd worst away end in the league. Small minded behaviour from them restricts pubs too.
The Sty is a tumbledown hovel, even if the Agbonlahor End is a broadly normal 2 tier effort. No pubs, moody as out- although the glory stakes make it the most enjoyable to visit.
Post by: algy on August 01, 2023, 08:32:10 AM
Post by: Clampy on August 01, 2023, 08:35:59 AM
That's the game. 19 bookings it felt like.
Remember it well. Truly he worst refereeing performance I've ever seen. He was that bad, even Ian Taylor was laughing at one point.
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 01, 2023, 08:40:31 AM
Post by: Risso on August 01, 2023, 08:47:44 AM
That's the game. 19 bookings it felt like.
Didn't the ref blow up about 5 minutes early as well?
Post by: Scratchins on August 01, 2023, 09:21:10 AM
That's the game. 19 bookings it felt like.
Didn't the ref blow up about 5 minutes early as well?
Yes, he had to restart it.
Post by: Gareth on August 01, 2023, 09:28:09 AM
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 01, 2023, 09:36:46 AM
I once went to the Hawthorns, a mate had a spare in hospitality so a freebie, they played Cardiff so had a few quid in the ground on the late Pete Whittingham to score and walked out about 100 quid up….I quite like that ground :-)
Final, irrevocable warning.
Post by: Nev on August 01, 2023, 09:45:55 AM
Post by: Dave P on August 01, 2023, 11:15:03 AM
Post by: Dave P on August 01, 2023, 11:16:44 AM
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/aston-villa_fc-marila-pribram/index/spielbericht/2232867
Post by: yammers on August 01, 2023, 11:53:16 AM
Ha! Fingers crossed then! We’re off home today so lots of glum faces. Enjoy the rest of your holiday!Doing the 3 island tour today on a boat named the Poseidon hope it doesn’t go the way of the filmBtw I just sent that from a hot beach in KosI was on Paradiso Beach, Kos on Sunday too, what are the chances?!!
Post by: purpletrousers on August 01, 2023, 11:58:44 AM
I was on holiday for the Celta Vigo debacle there but did go to the Hawthorns in the earlier round against Marilia Pribram (I think? Weren't they previously Dukla Prague?) Sure this was Luc Nilis' debut. He certainly played and scored.
Blimey. Handn’t realised our very own HMHB reference point!
Post by: Gareth on August 01, 2023, 12:27:17 PM
I once went to the Hawthorns, a mate had a spare in hospitality so a freebie, they played Cardiff so had a few quid in the ground on the late Pete Whittingham to score and walked out about 100 quid up….I quite like that ground :-)
Final, irrevocable warning.
Thought you might say that Dave….they lost that night though!
Was the weirdest thing when we played the ‘home’ games there in Europe - most remembered for that referee who made Rennie & Dowd look competent
Post by: Somniloquism on August 01, 2023, 01:07:47 PM
To be fair the Hawthorns is probably the best of our small neighbours grounds. It's the queue to get into the Smethwick that is the worst aspect. No pubs close by, but it's only up the road from Villa Park anyway.
Ground all largely normal, single tier stuff inside, not a million miles away from the pitch as you are at Molineux, which must be the 2nd worst away end in the league. Small minded behaviour from them restricts pubs too.
The Sty is a tumbledown hovel, even if the Agbonlahor End is a broadly normal 2 tier effort. No pubs, moody as out- although the glory stakes make it the most enjoyable to visit.
Although I think it might be the Brummie Road Stand where all the food/drink stuff is accessible only up a large flight of stairs.
Post by: Ads on August 01, 2023, 01:35:01 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 01, 2023, 01:38:12 PM
I think his name was Dieter Schoch and he got banned by the Swiss FA not long after. He had refereed us before, the Strommsgodset away game a year or two before, with no problems.That's the game. 19 bookings it felt like.
Didn't the ref blow up about 5 minutes early as well?
Post by: ian c. on August 01, 2023, 01:59:17 PM
I think his name was Dieter Schoch and he got banned by the Swiss FA not long after. He had refereed us before, the Strommsgodset away game a year or two before, with no problems.That's the game. 19 bookings it felt like.
Didn't the ref blow up about 5 minutes early as well?
He was dreadful. The Independent report from the time: Link (https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news/red-didi-may-feel-official-wrath-over-villa-farce-696596.html)
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 01, 2023, 02:04:59 PM
Kept sending players off for being fouled as well.
Post by: aldridgeboy on August 01, 2023, 02:19:40 PM
Post by: Dave P on August 01, 2023, 02:28:31 PM
I think Steve Stone split his head open that game a s well? Loads of blood
Like getting blood from a ....
No I won't say it.
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 03, 2023, 11:30:16 AM
I once went to the Hawthorns, a mate had a spare in hospitality so a freebie, they played Cardiff so had a few quid in the ground on the late Pete Whittingham to score and walked out about 100 quid up….I quite like that ground :-)
I went once too, my old man worked for Vauxhall and got all kinds of freebies from the finance rep.
When we were in the hospitality suite (which as I recall was small and shit), Jeff Astle was sitting at the next table.
Fortunately, the rep redeemed himself by bagging us a couple of tickets to the Cup Final in 2000.
Post by: Small Rodent on August 03, 2023, 09:38:00 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on August 03, 2023, 09:40:21 PM
Post by: Bad English on August 03, 2023, 09:44:05 PM
Heavy work for Pogon Szczecin against Linfield, but they got through tonight.Ah bollocks! My uncle is a Vice-President of Linfield. He'll be disappointed.
Post by: Smirker on August 03, 2023, 09:45:26 PM
Post by: Risso on August 03, 2023, 09:46:04 PM
When is the draw lads?
Monday
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2023, 09:51:01 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on August 03, 2023, 09:53:27 PM
Haverfordwest have levelled up their tie and gone into extra time.
B36 go back in front with a well dodgy penalty.
https://www.s4c.cymru/clic/Live
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2023, 09:55:29 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on August 03, 2023, 09:57:05 PM
Heavy work for Pogon Szczecin against Linfield, but they got through tonight.Ah bollocks! My uncle is a Vice-President of Linfield. He'll be disappointed.
So does he rub it in that he is a VP and you are only a mayor?
Post by: Bad English on August 03, 2023, 09:58:53 PM
Post by: Risso on August 03, 2023, 10:01:29 PM
Vitoria, the nswe team in portugal, are 1-0 down on the night so 4-4 on aggregate with about 10 to go in normal time.
Great, Nas can buy his shares back and share the database again!
Post by: Smirker on August 03, 2023, 10:12:18 PM
When is the draw lads?
Monday
Thanks Risso 8)
Post by: AV82EC on August 03, 2023, 10:29:43 PM
When is the draw lads?
Monday
Thanks Risso 8)
It’s at 1pm and is on UEFA.tv which you can get through the website. Be prepared though for Europa League Play Off draw first I think before the Conf League and 2 UEFA suits and a likely incomprehensible way of making the draw. I’ve blanked out the work diary for two hours to watch and will now spend the weekend looking at the 3 round qualifying pairing I’d most like to draw.
Post by: Smirker on August 03, 2023, 10:31:38 PM
Hope we get a juicy group.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 03, 2023, 10:37:43 PM
I won't be watching it but I'll check my phone around then for news.
Hope we get a juicy group.
There's a play off round before the group stage
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 03, 2023, 10:42:51 PM
I won't be watching it but I'll check my phone around then for news.
Hope we get a juicy group.
There's a play off round before the group stage
Correct, he's just all in a tizzy having perused the latest Blues training gear.
Post by: VillaTim on August 03, 2023, 10:43:50 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 03, 2023, 10:47:49 PM
Post by: Ducksworthy on August 03, 2023, 10:48:21 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 03, 2023, 10:52:25 PM
20,000 on the so-called waiting list and they can’t even be bothered to tune into UEFA’s website on a work day…. ITS A DISGRACEAll too busy waxing their Teslars in Lichfield / Cheltenham etc
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 03, 2023, 11:11:27 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 03, 2023, 11:13:53 PM
Derry, Hibs and Hearts will be in the draw for the play-off round.Londonderry A would be ace
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 03, 2023, 11:15:35 PM
Derry, Hibs and Hearts will be in the draw for the play-off round.
Londonderry A would be ace
Indeed, I've never been to a city where the first 6 letters are silent.
Post by: VillaTim on August 03, 2023, 11:20:34 PM
No Surrender ;DDerry, Hibs and Hearts will be in the draw for the play-off round.
Londonderry A would be ace
Indeed, I've never been to a city where the first 6 letters are silent.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 03, 2023, 11:32:14 PM
Derry, Hibs and Hearts will be in the draw for the play-off round.
Londonderry A would be ace
Indeed, I've never been to a city where the first 6 letters are silent.
No Surrender ;D
You might want to consider changing your username. ;)
Post by: eamonn on August 03, 2023, 11:41:59 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 03, 2023, 11:53:25 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 03, 2023, 11:56:57 PM
I watched some of the Hibs game was on BBC Scotland (on my stick ?) smooth game for them
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 04, 2023, 12:05:55 AM
Before the Play-off round draw is made on Monday, teams will be additionally split into smaller groups, so number of potential opponents for Villa will be reduced.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2o4YmVWwAIojM3?format=webp&name=small)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 04, 2023, 12:10:36 AM
Post by: VillaTim on August 04, 2023, 12:11:15 AM
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 04, 2023, 06:04:04 AM
Pack it in please.Good suggestion
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 04, 2023, 06:07:16 AM
Derry, Hibs and Hearts will be in the draw for the play-off round.wife is always on about visiting Edinburgh, possiblity we might go now for some reason or other
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 04, 2023, 07:07:40 AM
Post by: Ads on August 04, 2023, 08:15:25 AM
Stayed in Leith once and it was great fun.
Was there sunshine? Thank you, thank you.
Post by: rougegorge on August 04, 2023, 09:08:58 AM
Well it's possible they all will be in the draw, but equally I wouldn't be surprised if only one of them, or none of them made it either.Derry, Hibs and Hearts will be in the draw for the play-off round.wife is always on about visiting Edinburgh, possiblity we might go now for some reason or other
Post by: darren woolley on August 04, 2023, 11:06:52 AM
Post by: AV84 on August 04, 2023, 11:08:42 AM
Post by: dekko on August 04, 2023, 11:42:59 AM
Any team that means the least travel, I think. Not sure how the league fixtures fall around the ties but I wouldn't be keen on the squad having to travel to Azerbaijan or the likes midweek.
Could be worse than Azerbaijan - if Derry lose their tie we might end up playing East of the Urals......
Post by: tomd2103 on August 04, 2023, 01:37:02 PM
I would like us to get Hibernian or Hearts.
Yeah, would be a game that attracts interest and one we should take care of over two legs.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 04, 2023, 01:49:37 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 04, 2023, 01:49:41 PM
Post by: eamonn on August 04, 2023, 01:50:34 PM
Guessing Edvard is hoping we draw B36 or KI.
What unromantic names! Ugh...Edvard, can't you tell them to rename more memorably?
Post by: Axl Rose on August 04, 2023, 01:50:34 PM
Post by: algy on August 04, 2023, 01:53:21 PM
Also it's at the tail end of the festival season, so you've pretty much got 24hr drinking going on (pubs open til 3am, clubs open til 5am, then the first pubs reopen their doors at 5am ... though your pros go for a wander up Calton Hill (overlooking Hibs' ground) and wait for the 6am opening jobs, since they're of a (slightly) higher calibre.I would like us to get Hibernian or Hearts.
Yeah, would be a game that attracts interest and one we should take care of over two legs.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 04, 2023, 01:54:46 PM
Guessing Edvard is hoping we draw B36 or KI.
What unromantic names! Ugh...Edvard, can't you tell them to rename more memorably?
Think one is Boldklubben or similar, which presumably means Ballclub. Founded in 1936.
KI is Klaksvik and then something that I can't spell or prounounce.
Assume we are all AB Argir fans on here anyway, what with the claret and blue kits?
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 04, 2023, 02:00:41 PM
There's a team from Belarus in amongst that lot. I thought the Belarusian teams had been banned. Also two teams without a nationality given.
Dila Gori are from Geirgia and Neftci Baku are from Azerbaijan. Caucasustastic!
I too thought a visit to Belarus could be interesting from a geopolitical perspective.
Post by: glinch on August 04, 2023, 02:01:33 PM
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 04, 2023, 03:55:11 PM
B36 stands for Ballclub 36, due to be founded in 1936, and also has a co name now, that is FC Torshavn.Guessing Edvard is hoping we draw B36 or KI.
What unromantic names! Ugh...Edvard, can't you tell them to rename more memorably?
Think one is Boldklubben or similar, which presumably means Ballclub. Founded in 1936.
KI is Klaksvik and then something that I can't spell or prounounce.
Assume we are all AB Argir fans on here anyway, what with the claret and blue kits?
KI or KÍ stands for Klaskvíkar Ítrottarfelag - Sportsclub of Klaksvik.
And as you correctly say, AB (Argja Bóltfelag, Ballclub of Argir) are using claret and blue, as they were founded in 1973 by Johnny Nyby, who was indeed a Villa supporter and picked the colors from Aston Villa
To be honest, I would prefer that Villa met a Faroese team in group stages
Post by: Pat Mustard on August 04, 2023, 04:04:20 PM
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 04, 2023, 04:20:01 PM
Guessing Edvard is hoping we draw B36 or KI.Can't draw KÍ until group stages, as they are secured a spot there.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 04, 2023, 04:52:48 PM
B36? For our first trip after 13 years out of Europe I hope we get to travel a bit further than Castle Bromwich.
I've never been, but good people seem to come from there, so can't wait.
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 04, 2023, 09:20:06 PM
Derry City would be a great draw if they get through.They have to play the home game in the next round in Dublin at Shamrock Rovers ground because there own ground is not up to standard
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 04, 2023, 09:22:28 PM
So ideally B36 in Playoff Round and then KI in the Group Stage.
Post by: Ads on August 05, 2023, 12:35:44 PM
Post by: Bad English on August 05, 2023, 01:16:56 PM
Cheers Edvard and good to know about AB Argir.We will have a whale of a time.
So ideally B36 in Playoff Round and then KI in the Group Stage.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2023, 01:49:16 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 05, 2023, 01:52:21 PM
Without wanting to sound Wilma-ish, I hope the club don't take the piss with the ticket prices for this competition.
Would £40 surprise you?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2023, 02:30:08 PM
Without wanting to sound Wilma-ish, I hope the club don't take the piss with the ticket prices for this competition.
Would £40 surprise you?
Is that what they're planning?
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 05, 2023, 03:38:42 PM
Without wanting to sound Wilma-ish, I hope the club don't take the piss with the ticket prices for this competition.
Would £40 surprise you?
Is that what they're planning?
I don't know but I wouldn't put anything past them.
Post by: VillaTim on August 05, 2023, 04:12:05 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 05, 2023, 04:17:13 PM
Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 05, 2023, 05:21:51 PM
Surely no more than £30 for the early stages . But if we reach the QF etc i'd expect Cat A pricing will be deployed
That wouldn't be too unreasonable I suppose. European quarter and semi-finals don't come around that often and both would probably sell out twice over. Would be much more inclined to pay Cat A price for a latter stage European game than a league game against bloody Wolves.
Post by: Gareth on August 06, 2023, 04:44:45 PM
Without wanting to sound Wilma-ish, I hope the club don't take the piss with the ticket prices for this competition.
Would £40 surprise you?
Not in the slightest, they know after a dozen years without European football season ticket holders won’t want to miss European games so they’ll maximise what they can milk out of us.
Might be interesting if we get into the groups, the novelty of Thursday nights wears off and we are playing FC ArseendofTurkey on a schoolnight, pouring with rain, to see if they can fill the ground at £40 a head
Post by: DeKuip on August 06, 2023, 04:51:43 PM
That won’t happen - FCArseendofTurkey were knocked out by BakuBeyond in the last round.Without wanting to sound Wilma-ish, I hope the club don't take the piss with the ticket prices for this competition.
Would £40 surprise you?
Not in the slightest, they know after a dozen years without European football season ticket holders won’t want to miss European games so they’ll maximise what they can milk out of us.
Might be interesting if we get into the groups, the novelty of Thursday nights wears off and we are playing FC ArseendofTurkey on a schoolnight, pouring with rain, to see if they can fill the ground at £40 a head
Post by: Gareth on August 06, 2023, 04:53:03 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2023, 04:59:19 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 06, 2023, 05:01:05 PM
Post by: Gareth on August 06, 2023, 05:07:53 PM
What will be interesting is seeing how many of the thirty-thousand-in-waiting, or for that matter a lot of our newer regulars, will want to see a match that isn't in the Greatest League in the World.
Absolutely-perhaps they are planning £100 Thursday night seats in the Terrace View
Post by: trinityoap on August 06, 2023, 05:16:55 PM
Post by: Skerra on August 06, 2023, 05:40:51 PM
Post by: olaftab on August 06, 2023, 05:50:04 PM
Surely no more than £30 for the early stages . But if we reach the QF etc i'd expect Cat A pricing will be deployedI do hope it's a little more than that, otherwise the place will be full of underclass chavs.
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 06, 2023, 06:59:51 PM
On a Thursday night!
In Stoke…..oh sorry different conversation
Post by: VillaTim on August 06, 2023, 07:51:42 PM
Yes, we'll be able to smell them from Terrace View if the wind blows in the wrong direction as it used to with that wretched sauce factory on the hill.Surely no more than £30 for the early stages . But if we reach the QF etc i'd expect Cat A pricing will be deployedI do hope it's a little more than that, otherwise the place will be full of underclass chavs.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 06, 2023, 09:24:05 PM
"The 2023/24 UEFA Europa Conference League play-off round draw will be held at the House of European Football in Nyon, Switzerland, on Monday 7 August at 14:00 CET.
Seedings, any groupings and the procedure will be available here from 09:00 CET on the day of the draw."
Post by: AV82EC on August 06, 2023, 09:25:17 PM
https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaconferenceleague/draws/
"The 2023/24 UEFA Europa Conference League play-off round draw will be held at the House of European Football in Nyon, Switzerland, on Monday 7 August at 14:00 CET.
Seedings, any groupings and the procedure will be available here from 09:00 CET on the day of the draw."
Whoop! Blanks out meeting in diary from 8am
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 06, 2023, 09:34:36 PM
Post by: AV82EC on August 06, 2023, 09:35:45 PM
What time tomorrow do we know our fate?
Between 1 and 2 pm
Post by: Dogtanian on August 06, 2023, 09:41:31 PM
Post by: AV82EC on August 06, 2023, 09:51:19 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 06, 2023, 10:12:51 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 06, 2023, 10:15:55 PM
what's Kazakhstan like in mid/late August
It's a very Nice!!!
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 06, 2023, 10:31:50 PM
If it's not there I understand its a tie v Scotland, Norway, Vienna or Turkey, Holland or Spain.
That's on percentage calls.
Post by: Lsvilla on August 06, 2023, 10:35:49 PM
Post by: Mellin on August 06, 2023, 11:38:25 PM
I have plotted and forecast its Poland, Croatia, Romanian , or outside chance for Cyprus.
If it's not there I understand its a tie v Scotland, Norway, Vienna or Turkey, Holland or Spain.
That's on percentage calls.
What formula have you used to calculate this?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 07, 2023, 12:02:43 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2023, 12:09:53 AM
I have plotted and forecast its Poland, Croatia, Romanian , or outside chance for Cyprus.
If it's not there I understand its a tie v Scotland, Norway, Vienna or Turkey, Holland or Spain.
That's on percentage calls.
What formula have you used to calculate this?
Probably a MATCH function.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 07, 2023, 12:24:26 AM
I have plotted and forecast its Poland, Croatia, Romanian , or outside chance for Cyprus.
If it's not there I understand its a tie v Scotland, Norway, Vienna or Turkey, Holland or Spain.
That's on percentage calls.
What formula have you used to calculate this?
They chucked down some asparagus and analysed how they landed. I wish that wasn't a thing but I remember seeing it on TV once.
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 07, 2023, 12:24:40 AM
I have plotted and forecast its Poland, Croatia, Romanian , or outside chance for Cyprus.
If it's not there I understand its a tie v Scotland, Norway, Vienna or Turkey, Holland or Spain.
That's on percentage calls.
I also think it will be against a team from a European country.
Post by: tomd2103 on August 07, 2023, 01:21:34 AM
So who would we most want to avoid in the unseeded lot?
Really would prefer a very straightforward tie in the qualification round that we could preferably finish off in the first leg and then some decent opposition in the group stage.
Post by: Dave P on August 07, 2023, 06:17:11 AM
I have plotted and forecast its Poland, Croatia, Romanian , or outside chance for Cyprus.
If it's not there I understand its a tie v Scotland, Norway, Vienna or Turkey, Holland or Spain.
That's on percentage calls.
What formula have you used to calculate this?
Mushrooms
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 07, 2023, 07:00:02 AM
I have plotted and forecast its Poland, Croatia, Romanian , or outside chance for Cyprus.
If it's not there I understand its a tie v Scotland, Norway, Vienna or Turkey, Holland or Spain.
That's on percentage calls.
I also think it will be against a team from a European country.
Depends on your definition of Europe. Israel, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan all had teams in the competition for example.
Post by: algy on August 07, 2023, 07:19:35 AM
Think my old geography teacher would disagree about Israel or Kazakhstan being in Europe...I have plotted and forecast its Poland, Croatia, Romanian , or outside chance for Cyprus.
If it's not there I understand its a tie v Scotland, Norway, Vienna or Turkey, Holland or Spain.
That's on percentage calls.
I also think it will be against a team from a European country.
Post by: Gareth on August 07, 2023, 08:04:58 AM
Play-offs – Champions path
Time: 14:00 CET
Number of teams involved: 10 (5 through the UEFA Europa Conference League third qualifying round champions path and 5 through the UEFA Europa League third qualifying round champions path)
Number of seeded teams: 5
Number of matches: 2 x 5
Matchdays: 24 and 31 August 2023
Kick-off times to be announced by: 11 August 2023 (first and second legs)
Conditions of the draw
In accordance with paragraphs 13.05 and 13.06 of the Regulations of the UEFA Europa Conference League 2023/24, the UEFA administration forms groups and seeds clubs for the play-off draw based on their entry stage in the competition. The clubs entering from the third qualifying round of the UEFA Europa League are seeded above the clubs that progress from the third qualifying round of the UEFA Europa Conference League champions path.
The ten teams (the five winners of the UEFA Europa Conference League third qualifying round champions path ties, indicated for the purposes of this draw as Winners of Matches 1 to 5, and the five teams that enter through the third qualifying round of the UEFA Europa League champions path, indicated for the purposes of this draw as Match 1 to 5) are divided into one group of four teams (Group 1) and one group of six teams (Group 2).
Within each of the two groups, the teams are divided into an equal number of seeded and unseeded teams.
As decided by the UEFA Executive Committee, teams from Kosovo and Bosnia-Herzegovina cannot be drawn against each other.
Any changes of date and fixture reversals will be communicated in writing to the clubs and national associations tomorrow, 8 August, by 18:00 CET.
Groupings
Group 1
Match 1: FK Žalgiris Vilnius (LTU) / BK Häcken (SWE)
Match 2: FC Sheriff Tiraspol (MDA) / FC BATE Borisov (BLR)
Winners of match 1: Hamrun Spartans FC (MLT) / Ferencvárosi TC (HUN)
Winners of match 2: FC Ballkani (KOS) / Lincoln Red Imps FC (GIB)
Group 2
Match 3: HŠK Zrinjski (BIH) / Breidablik (ISL)
Match 4: Qarabağ FK (AZE) / HJK Helsinki (FIN)
Match 5: FC Astana (KAZ) / PFC Ludogorets 1945 (BUL)
Winners of match 3: Valmiera FC (LVA) / FK Partizani (ALB)
Winners of match 4: FCV Farul Constanța (ROU) / FC Flora Tallinn (EST)
Winners of match 5: FC Struga (MKD) / FC Swift Hesper (LUX)
Draw procedure
Starting with Group 1, three bowls are prepared for the draw, with the balls representing the seeded and unseeded teams of the group placed in the corresponding marked bowls.
One ball is taken from each bowl and placed in the third empty central bowl, where they are shuffled. The first team drawn from this bowl will play their first match at home against the second team drawn.
The same procedure is carried out with the remaining balls to complete all the pairings for Group 1.
The procedure is then repeated to determine the pairings for Group 2.
Play-offs – Main path
Time: 14:10 CET
Number of teams involved: 34 (5 directly, 27 through the UEFA Europa Conference League third qualifying round main path and 2 through the UEFA Europa League third qualifying round main path)
Number of seeded teams: 17
Number of matches: 2 x 17
Matchdays: 24 and 31 August 2023
Kick-off times to be announced by: 11 August 2023 (first and second legs)
Conditions of the draw
In accordance with paragraphs 13.03 and 13.04 of the Regulations of the UEFA Europa Conference League 2023/24, the UEFA administration seeds clubs for the play-off draw based on the club rankings established at the beginning of the season and the principles set by the Club Competitions Committee.
The 34 teams (five that enter the competition at this stage, 27 that enter through the third qualifying round of the UEFA Europa Conference League main path and two that enter through the UEFA Europa League third qualifying round main path) are divided into three groups of eight teams (Groups 1 to 3) and one group of ten teams (Group 4).
Within each of the four groups, the teams are divided into an equal number of seeded and unseeded teams.
Teams from the same association must not be drawn against each other.
If any club in a third qualifying round match has a coefficient that would entitle it to be seeded for the play-off draw, the winner of that match is automatically seeded for the draw.
Any changes of date and fixture reversals will be communicated in writing to the clubs and national associations tomorrow, 8 August, by 18:00 CET.
Groupings
Group 1
1: Eintracht Frankfurt (GER)
2: Fenerbahçe SK (TUR) / NK Maribor (SVN)
3: Omonoia FC (CYP) / FC Midtjylland (DEN)
4: FK Bodø/Glimt (NOR) / FC Pyunik (ARM)
5: Hapoel Beer-Sheva FC (ISR) / PFC Levski Sofia (BUL)
6: FC Twente (NED) / Riga FC (LVA)
7: Legia Warszawa (POL) / FK Austria Wien (AUT)
8: Sepsi OSK Sfantu Gheorghe (ROU) / FC Aktobe (KAZ)
Group 2
1: KAA Gent (BEL) / MKS Pogoń Szczecin (POL)
2: Aris Thessaloniki FC (GRE) / FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR)
3: LOSC Lille (FRA)
4: FC Viktoria Plzeň (CZE) / Gzira United FC (MLT)
5: FC Dila Gori (GEO) / APOEL FC (CYP)
6: Beşiktaş JK (TUR) / Neftçi PFK (AZE)
7: B36 Tórshavn (FRO) / HNK Rijeka (CRO)
8: FC Tobol Kostanay (KAZ) / Derry City FC (IRL)
Group 3
1: SK Slavia Praha (CZE) / SC Dnipro-1 (UKR)
2: FC Santa Coloma (AND) / AZ Alkmaar (NED)
3: Olympiacos FC (GRE) / KRC Genk (BEL)
4: Aston Villa FC (ENG)
5: KKS Lech Poznań (POL) / FC Spartak Trnava (SVK)
6: FC Arouca (POR) / SK Brann (NOR)
7: Adana Demirspor (TUR) / NK Osijek (CRO)
8: Hibernian FC (SCO) / FC Luzern (SUI)
Group 4
1: Club Brugge (BEL) / KA Akureyri (ISL)
2: Sabah (AZE) / FK Partizan (SRB)
3: HNK Hajduk Split (CRO) / PAOK FC (GRE)
4: AEK Larnaca FC (CYP) / Maccabi Tel-Aviv FC (ISR)
5: ACF Fiorentina (ITA)
6: CA Osasuna (ESP)
7: SK Rapid Wien (AUT) / Debreceni VSC (HUN)
8: Fotbal Club FCSB (ROU) / FC Nordsjælland (DEN)
9: Rosenborg BK (NOR) / Heart of Midlothian FC (SCO)
10: NK Celje (SVN) / FC Neman Grodno (BLR)
Draw procedure
Groups 1 to 3
All the clubs in each of the three groups are randomly assigned a number: 1 to 4 for the seeded teams and 5 to 8 for the unseeded teams.
Three bowls are prepared for the draw, with the balls containing the numbers for the seeded and unseeded teams for Groups 1 to 3 placed in the correspondingly marked bowls.
One ball is taken from each of those bowls and placed in the third empty central bowl, where they are shuffled. The number shown from the first ball drawn from this bowl indicates the home teams of the first pairing of all three groups, and they will play against the teams indicated by the number of the ball drawn second from this bowl.
For example, if the first ball drawn contains the number 2 and the second the number 8, the clubs that have been assigned the numbers 2 and 8 in each of the three groups will play each other. The first ball drawn, here containing the number 2, designates the home team for the first leg in all three ties.
The same procedure is carried out with the remaining balls to complete the pairings of these three groups.
Group 4
The procedure for this group is exactly the same as above, with the only difference being that the seeded teams are assigned numbers 1 to 5 and the unseeded teams assigned numbers 6 to 10.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 07, 2023, 08:07:36 AM
Well I've done the math.I have plotted and forecast its Poland, Croatia, Romanian , or outside chance for Cyprus.
If it's not there I understand its a tie v Scotland, Norway, Vienna or Turkey, Holland or Spain.
That's on percentage calls.
I also think it will be against a team from a European country.
Depends on your definition of Europe. Israel, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan all had teams in the competition for example.
Yes I've discounted Georgia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Slovakia, Czechs, Slovenia as possibilities and unlikely to be contending.
So I have ruled them out being opponents.
I would also rule out the teams from nations Luxembourg, Estonia, Gibraltar, Malta through their ties.
Israel is certainly a possible Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan too
but my theory points elsewhere though I expect at least one of these nations to qualify
Expected opponents:
Certainly I say if it's not a match v Rapid Vienna then let us see its a tie like an Rosenborg, Osasuna, Twente, Besiktas, FCSB (FC Steaua București) Ferencvaros Rather than unheard ofs like Tobol Kustanai of Kazakhstan who I see beating Derry City.
Post by: AV82EC on August 07, 2023, 08:09:29 AM
1: SK Slavia Praha (CZE) / SC Dnipro-1 (UKR)
2: FC Santa Coloma (AND) / AZ Alkmaar (NED)
3: Olympiacos FC (GRE) / KRC Genk (BEL)
4: Aston Villa FC (ENG)
5: KKS Lech Poznań (POL) / FC Spartak Trnava (SVK)
6: FC Arouca (POR) / SK Brann (NOR)
7: Adana Demirspor (TUR) / NK Osijek (CRO)
8: Hibernian FC (SCO) / FC Luzern (SUI)
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 07, 2023, 08:10:54 AM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 07, 2023, 08:11:34 AM
Although I note Scottish and Swiss leagues have higher coefficient than Turkey so maybe I'm talking bollocks.
Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2023, 08:25:51 AM
Post by: Grande Pablo on August 07, 2023, 08:34:39 AM
So it’s one of this lot.
1: SK Slavia Praha (CZE) / SC Dnipro-1 (UKR)
2: FC Santa Coloma (AND) / AZ Alkmaar (NED)
3: Olympiacos FC (GRE) / KRC Genk (BEL)
4: Aston Villa FC (ENG)
5: KKS Lech Poznań (POL) / FC Spartak Trnava (SVK)
6: FC Arouca (POR) / SK Brann (NOR)
7: Adana Demirspor (TUR) / NK Osijek (CRO)
8: Hibernian FC (SCO) / FC Luzern (SUI)
As the seeded teams are 1-4, you can hone it down to one of this lot:
5: KKS Lech Poznań (POL) / FC Spartak Trnava (SVK)
6: FC Arouca (POR) / SK Brann (NOR)
7: Adana Demirspor (TUR) / NK Osijek (CRO)
8: Hibernian FC (SCO) / FC Luzern (SUI)
Post by: AV82EC on August 07, 2023, 08:41:46 AM
So it’s one of this lot.
1: SK Slavia Praha (CZE) / SC Dnipro-1 (UKR)
2: FC Santa Coloma (AND) / AZ Alkmaar (NED)
3: Olympiacos FC (GRE) / KRC Genk (BEL)
4: Aston Villa FC (ENG)
5: KKS Lech Poznań (POL) / FC Spartak Trnava (SVK)
6: FC Arouca (POR) / SK Brann (NOR)
7: Adana Demirspor (TUR) / NK Osijek (CRO)
8: Hibernian FC (SCO) / FC Luzern (SUI)
As the seeded teams are 1-4, you can hone it down to one of this lot:
5: KKS Lech Poznań (POL) / FC Spartak Trnava (SVK)
6: FC Arouca (POR) / SK Brann (NOR)
7: Adana Demirspor (TUR) / NK Osijek (CRO)
8: Hibernian FC (SCO) / FC Luzern (SUI)
Thanks GP, had forgotten that bit!!
Post by: Dave P on August 07, 2023, 08:51:30 AM
Post by: AV82EC on August 07, 2023, 08:57:11 AM
I’m on holiday in Albuferia for the first leg so I’ve just googled Arouca. It’s like being on holiday in Cornwall and playing Newcastle.
That depends if get drawn home or away first.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 07, 2023, 09:01:01 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2023, 09:01:32 AM
I used to own a house that previous owners had named Lucerne, so we'll get them.
A good omen though, or a foul portent?
Post by: Dave P on August 07, 2023, 09:05:56 AM
I’m on holiday in Albuferia for the first leg so I’ve just googled Arouca. It’s like being on holiday in Cornwall and playing Newcastle.
That depends if get drawn home or away first.
Well of course. I said I was away for the first leg
Post by: olaftab on August 07, 2023, 09:33:01 AM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 07, 2023, 09:33:12 AM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 07, 2023, 09:34:41 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2023, 09:37:56 AM
Plus, I've been re-watching Rab C. Nesbitt on Britbox, so I'm pretty sure I can communicate with the locals and successfully order a swally.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2023, 09:40:33 AM
Lech Poznan looks like the one to avoid there.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2023, 09:42:45 AM
Post by: Louzie0 on August 07, 2023, 09:45:12 AM
Think my old geography teacher would disagree about Israel or Kazakhstan being in Europe...I have plotted and forecast its Poland, Croatia, Romanian , or outside chance for Cyprus.
If it's not there I understand its a tie v Scotland, Norway, Vienna or Turkey, Holland or Spain.
That's on percentage calls.
I also think it will be against a team from a European country.
Eurovision rules, Algy! 🌟
Post by: darren woolley on August 07, 2023, 09:47:14 AM
I do think Hibs would be fantastic. It saves a glitzy continental tie until the competition proper, is doable by car and coach for the fans, and I think they give an away allocation up to about 3.5k for some matches, so a good number will be able to go.
Plus, I've been re-watching Rab C. Nesbitt on Britbox, so I'm pretty sure I can communicate with the locals and successfully order a swally.
I would love us to draw Hibs.
Post by: Dave P on August 07, 2023, 09:49:18 AM
Think my old geography teacher would disagree about Israel or Kazakhstan being in Europe...I have plotted and forecast its Poland, Croatia, Romanian , or outside chance for Cyprus.
If it's not there I understand its a tie v Scotland, Norway, Vienna or Turkey, Holland or Spain.
That's on percentage calls.
I also think it will be against a team from a European country.
Eurovision rules, Algy! 🌟
So we could play Melbourne then 😉
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2023, 09:53:51 AM
Post by: Louzie0 on August 07, 2023, 09:55:16 AM
Think my old geography teacher would disagree about Israel or Kazakhstan being in Europe...I have plotted and forecast its Poland, Croatia, Romanian , or outside chance for Cyprus.
If it's not there I understand its a tie v Scotland, Norway, Vienna or Turkey, Holland or Spain.
That's on percentage calls.
I also think it will be against a team from a European country.
Eurovision rules, Algy! 🌟
So we could play Melbourne then 😉
I just thought of that as you posted it, Dave!
Carbon footprint v showbiz. Hmmm, can see it happening, maybe next season.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 07, 2023, 10:04:26 AM
I used to own a house that previous owners had named Lucerne, so we'll get them.
A good omen though, or a foul portent?
Well, it was a nice house, Edwardian, in which we brought up the children, but we did end up having to sell it when we divorced - so could be either, I guess.
Post by: VillaTim on August 07, 2023, 10:16:33 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2023, 10:18:08 AM
Although, their manager is that fucking gobshite Lee Johnson. Remember him getting all arsey before we played, and demolished, his Bristol City side? The midget wanker.
Still, it should be more about playing FC Collective Farm #135 from Transnistria, or Real Bocadillo, some Andorran side.
Post by: eamonn on August 07, 2023, 10:24:12 AM
Think my old geography teacher would disagree about Israel or Kazakhstan being in Europe...I have plotted and forecast its Poland, Croatia, Romanian , or outside chance for Cyprus.
If it's not there I understand its a tie v Scotland, Norway, Vienna or Turkey, Holland or Spain.
That's on percentage calls.
I also think it will be against a team from a European country.
Eurovision rules, Algy! 🌟
A song for Europe. I remember all those moments lost in wonder that we'll never find again.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 07, 2023, 10:26:59 AM
So when all is said and done at about 1.30PM we will know the pair we have drawn but still not know where to go for away leg till the 17 August?
I'll be able to work it out as it will be a mismatch tie so the strongest should survive and then get beaten by Villa!
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 07, 2023, 10:29:05 AM
So it’s one of this lot.
1: SK Slavia Praha (CZE) / SC Dnipro-1 (UKR)
2: FC Santa Coloma (AND) / AZ Alkmaar (NED)
3: Olympiacos FC (GRE) / KRC Genk (BEL)
4: Aston Villa FC (ENG)
5: KKS Lech Poznań (POL) / FC Spartak Trnava (SVK)
6: FC Arouca (POR) / SK Brann (NOR)
7: Adana Demirspor (TUR) / NK Osijek (CRO)
8: Hibernian FC (SCO) / FC Luzern (SUI)
As the seeded teams are 1-4, you can hone it down to one of this lot:
5: KKS Lech Poznań (POL) / FC Spartak Trnava (SVK)
6: FC Arouca (POR) / SK Brann (NOR)
7: Adana Demirspor (TUR) / NK Osijek (CRO)
8: Hibernian FC (SCO) / FC Luzern (SUI)
Thanks GP, had forgotten that bit!!
Thanks as I suspected.
Poland, Croatia, Romanian , or outside chance for Cyprus.
If it's not there I understand its a tie v Scotland, Norway, Vienna or Turkey, Holland or Spain.
That's on percentage calls.
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2023, 10:41:39 AM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 07, 2023, 10:56:28 AM
Luzern would be a lovely place to go on an away trip this time of year.
Lech Poznan looks like the one to avoid there.
Luzern managed by all-time top Liechtenstein goalscorer Mario Frick.
Poznań have a bigger ground than us!
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2023, 10:56:43 AM
I’m on holiday in Albuferia for the first leg so I’ve just googled Arouca. It’s like being on holiday in Cornwall and playing Newcastle.
Pro-tip from somebody that sold Sunderland away in the Legue Cup while we were on holiday in Edinburgh, don't tell the better half just how far it really is. It makes the surprise all the better when you're en route.
Post by: Louzie0 on August 07, 2023, 10:56:51 AM
I just read the draw arrangements and it seems that we can be drawn to play against teams from all 4 groups, due to some random selection action involving 3 dishes and numbered balls split according to whether they are seeded or not.
I await the outcome with interest, it sounds as if someone was heavily under the influence of something psychedelic when they came up with it.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 07, 2023, 11:00:30 AM
Post by: TelfordVilla on August 07, 2023, 11:09:56 AM
Where have you got those countries from Footy, it’s Poland, Slovakia, Portugal, Norway, Turkey, Croatia, Scotland or Switzerland.so basically, somewhere in Europe then. We'll done footy.
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2023, 11:15:55 AM
So are we all hoping to whisk our other halves away on a romantic trip to Edinburgh?
Er, no!
Post by: DeKuip on August 07, 2023, 11:19:50 AM
https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=63791.msg4405105#msg4405105No we can only draw teams 5-8 in our group. I’m pretty sure it means that whichever numbers are drawn, ie 2v8, 4v5 etc, that applies to each of the 8 team groups.
I just read the draw arrangements and it seems that we can be drawn to play against teams from all 4 groups, due to some random selection action involving 3 dishes and numbered balls split according to whether they are seeded or not.
I await the outcome with interest, it sounds as if someone was heavily under the influence of something psychedelic when they came up with it.
The confusing part of the draw is that ties may be reversed after the draw as UEFA wont allow two games within a 50 mile radius of each other to played on the same day. This could mean reversing the legs or moving the clashing fixture to the Wednesday, and Europa League games take priory over Conference League games. Although higher ranked teams also seem to get some priority.
Having said that I can only see that would affect us if both Hibs & Hearts are drawn at home.
Post by: algy on August 07, 2023, 11:28:59 AM
So are we all hoping to whisk our other halves away on a romantic trip to Edinburgh?Really, really hope it's the Famous Edinburgh Hibees.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2023, 11:30:52 AM
Think my old geography teacher would disagree about Israel or Kazakhstan being in Europe...
Eurovision rules, Algy! 🌟
A song for Europe. I remember all those moments lost in wonder that we'll never find again.
When it comes to the FA Cup, we've been saying 'What's Another Year?' for as long as I can remember. :(
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 07, 2023, 11:37:44 AM
Post by: Bad English on August 07, 2023, 11:42:02 AM
I used to own a house that previous owners had named Lucerne, so we'll get them.Interestingly, and apropos of nothing, Lucerne is a an anagram of "enculer" in French.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2023, 11:42:55 AM
If it is Hibs, it will be a big deal for SJM.
Same for Des Bremner and Alex Cropley, you'd imagine.
Post by: LeeB on August 07, 2023, 11:45:10 AM
If it is Hibs, it will be a big deal for SJM.
Same for Des Bremner and Alex Cropley, you'd imagine.
Ulises De La Cruz and Didier Agathe too.
Post by: rooboy316 on August 07, 2023, 11:47:16 AM
So we could play Melbourne then 😉
Yes please! Imagine watching a game on a balmy 25 degree evening in December. Though some of you lot might need to leave a few minutes before the final whistle to make it home in time for tea.
Post by: purpletrousers on August 07, 2023, 11:47:29 AM
If it is Hibs, it will be a big deal for SJM.
Would be maybe the only time I’d be tempted to join in an opposition song with the Sunshine on Leith, love the video of that at Hampden on SJM’s big day out…
Maybe wouldn’t but would appreciate the experience.
Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2023, 11:48:10 AM
If it is Hibs, it will be a big deal for SJM.
Same for Des Bremner and Alex Cropley, you'd imagine.
Ulises De La Cruz and Didier Agathe too.
Renton from Trainspotting.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 07, 2023, 11:49:20 AM
Brilliant as they were, I can't see either getting a run out, even in a Europa Conference game. UTVIf it is Hibs, it will be a big deal for SJM.
Same for Des Bremner and Alex Cropley, you'd imagine.
Post by: lovejoy on August 07, 2023, 11:49:38 AM
Post by: LeeB on August 07, 2023, 11:50:15 AM
Ulises de La Cruz played for Hibs too I think.
Nothing gets past this lad.
Post by: Breezeblock on August 07, 2023, 11:55:41 AM
i'm still singing "I wanna be a polar bear" from the '70'sThink my old geography teacher would disagree about Israel or Kazakhstan being in Europe...
Eurovision rules, Algy! 🌟
A song for Europe. I remember all those moments lost in wonder that we'll never find again.
When it comes to the FA Cup, we've been saying 'What's Another Year?' for as long as I can remember. :(
Edited for the spectacular quote fail
Post by: purpletrousers on August 07, 2023, 11:58:27 AM
Group 3
1: SK Slavia Praha (CZE) / SC Dnipro-1 (UKR)
2: FC Santa Coloma (AND) / AZ Alkmaar (NED)
3: Olympiacos FC (GRE) / KRC Genk (BEL)
4: Aston Villa FC (ENG)
5: KKS Lech Poznań (POL) / FC Spartak Trnava (SVK)
6: FC Arouca (POR) / SK Brann (NOR)
7: Adana Demirspor (TUR) / NK Osijek (CRO)
8: Hibernian FC (SCO) / FC Luzern (SUI)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2023, 12:01:07 PM
If it is Hibs, it will be a big deal for SJM.
Same for Des Bremner and Alex Cropley, you'd imagine.
Brilliant as they were, I can't see either getting a run out, even in a Europa Conference game. UTV
We'd probably still win, even if they did.
Post by: john e on August 07, 2023, 12:04:11 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2023, 12:04:45 PM
Sorry if this has been asked before, but what time is the draw?
Starts at 1pm, so expect to know our opponents at about 3.45pm.
Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2023, 12:05:51 PM
Sorry if this has been asked before, but what time is the draw?
Starts at 1pm, so expect to know our opponents about 3.45pm.
I believe it is being broadcast here;
https://www.uefa.tv/ (https://www.uefa.tv/)
Post by: john e on August 07, 2023, 12:07:03 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 07, 2023, 12:09:45 PM
Post by: olaftab on August 07, 2023, 12:26:15 PM
So are we all hoping to whisk our other halves away on a romantic trip to Edinburgh?Silly boy, you.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2023, 12:35:03 PM
So are we all hoping to whisk our other halves away on a romantic trip to Edinburgh?
Normally yes, but with the Festival Fringe on, there won't be suitably luxurious rooms available to take other halves. A bit unfortunate really. :(
Post by: Dave P on August 07, 2023, 12:35:37 PM
Don't forget Isaiah Osbourne. Think he played for Hibs.
Was he the one that (allegedly) stole from other players' lockers?
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 07, 2023, 12:35:51 PM
I imagine Des Bremner can still run non-stop for 90 minutes. He was perpetual motion and a fantastic player.If it is Hibs, it will be a big deal for SJM.
Same for Des Bremner and Alex Cropley, you'd imagine.
Brilliant as they were, I can't see either getting a run out, even in a Europa Conference game. UTV
We'd probably still win, even if they did.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2023, 12:39:53 PM
Don't forget Isaiah Osbourne. Think he played for Hibs.
Was he the one that (allegedly) stole from other players' lockers?
No, that fella subsequently went to Blues. They were a better fit for him.
Post by: dave shelley on August 07, 2023, 12:53:35 PM
Don't forget Isaiah Osbourne. Think he played for Hibs.
Was he the one that (allegedly) stole from other players' lockers?
No, that fella subsequently went to Blues. They were a better fit for him.
His name was Noel Blake. He went on to gain a fishing position within the England International set-up.
I never really disliked him. I was always prepared to cut him a bit of slack regarding the thieving incident, so did Villa seeing as they didn't sack him.
As I wasn't aware of his personal situation, upbringing etc, I was prepared to try and give him a chance. Once he went to Bloose he became an archetypical arsehole like the rest of 'em and most likely a fucking tea leaf to boot. ;)
I genuinely hope he sorted his life out.
Post by: Garyth on August 07, 2023, 01:02:07 PM
https://www.uefa.tv/video/live/245770/ (https://www.uefa.tv/video/live/245770/)
or also here: https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaconferenceleague/draws/ (https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaconferenceleague/draws/)
Post by: Nev on August 07, 2023, 01:03:18 PM
Post by: olaftab on August 07, 2023, 01:03:34 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2023, 01:05:09 PM
OK what’s going on at Nyon? I am at Edgbaston watching the one dayer so relying on you boys and girls.
I presume they have to go through the 'technical' explanations first then draw Groups 1 & 2, so no news for a while.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 07, 2023, 01:06:00 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 07, 2023, 01:07:03 PM
Post by: olaftab on August 07, 2023, 01:07:55 PM
Ta I will check again at 1.30OK what’s going on at Nyon? I am at Edgbaston watching the one dayer so relying on you boys and girls.
I presume they have to go through the 'technical' explanations first then draw Groups 1 & 2, so no news for a while.
Post by: Nev on August 07, 2023, 01:08:24 PM
Post by: LeeB on August 07, 2023, 01:08:29 PM
OK what’s going on at Nyon? I am at Edgbaston watching the one dayer so relying on you boys and girls.
Just looked at the score, you'll probably be home before the draw is finished mate
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 07, 2023, 01:09:55 PM
I'm lost.
Yep, no clue whats occurring here?
Post by: Clampy on August 07, 2023, 01:10:49 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2023, 01:11:18 PM
OK what’s going on at Nyon? I am at Edgbaston watching the one dayer so relying on you boys and girls.
I presume they have to go through the 'technical' explanations first then draw Groups 1 & 2, so no news for a while.
Ta I will check again at 1.30
Think they're drawing the 'Champions' path first before getting onto Groups 1,2 & 3 in the 'Main' path.
Post by: Gerrin on August 07, 2023, 01:11:23 PM
Bloody hell. I’m confused by the explanation of the explanation of the draw process.
Totally confused. We only have one tie to qualify?
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2023, 01:12:39 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on August 07, 2023, 01:12:43 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 07, 2023, 01:12:48 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 07, 2023, 01:13:28 PM
Post by: Gerrin on August 07, 2023, 01:13:34 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 07, 2023, 01:14:15 PM
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2023, 01:14:30 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on August 07, 2023, 01:14:49 PM
Hurry up
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 07, 2023, 01:15:00 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 07, 2023, 01:15:05 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2023, 01:15:24 PM
So we're in group 4? Up next?
No, we're team No. 4 in Group 3.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 07, 2023, 01:16:10 PM
Post by: Nev on August 07, 2023, 01:16:32 PM
Hardly digging holes ffs!
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2023, 01:17:17 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2023, 01:17:19 PM
How incredibly boring is this
If the two lads are visiting Tokyo, I'll pass on your details to them. They'd be great craic!
Post by: Nev on August 07, 2023, 01:17:44 PM
Post by: Anthenagin on August 07, 2023, 01:18:08 PM
Post by: olaftab on August 07, 2023, 01:18:23 PM
That’s true. The country yokels have made a mess of it so far.OK what’s going on at Nyon? I am at Edgbaston watching the one dayer so relying on you boys and girls.
Just looked at the score, you'll probably be home before the draw is finished mate
Post by: VillaTim on August 07, 2023, 01:18:28 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 07, 2023, 01:18:31 PM
Post by: Garyth on August 07, 2023, 01:18:36 PM
Post by: Nelly on August 07, 2023, 01:18:38 PM
Post by: Grande Pablo on August 07, 2023, 01:18:44 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on August 07, 2023, 01:18:56 PM
Oh well. Smash them, Villa!
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 07, 2023, 01:19:01 PM
Post by: Nelly on August 07, 2023, 01:19:02 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on August 07, 2023, 01:19:34 PM
Post by: paul_e on August 07, 2023, 01:19:44 PM
Anyway, first leg away to the winner of the Hibs game, happy with that.
Post by: Axl Rose on August 07, 2023, 01:19:44 PM
How incredibly boring is this
If the two lads are visiting Tokyo, I'll pass on your details to them. They'd be great craic!
Haha. I know exactly where I'd take them.
Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2023, 01:19:50 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 07, 2023, 01:19:57 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 07, 2023, 01:20:16 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 07, 2023, 01:20:25 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on August 07, 2023, 01:20:33 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 07, 2023, 01:20:34 PM
Not with Super Unai Emery - bet he is already compiling his dossier ;)
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 07, 2023, 01:20:51 PM
Post by: Mellin on August 07, 2023, 01:21:04 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on August 07, 2023, 01:21:11 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 07, 2023, 01:21:17 PM
Home or away first?
Away
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2023, 01:21:38 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 07, 2023, 01:21:52 PM
I'd prefer not to have Hibs as they'll be well up for it.
It’s the John McGinn derby though you’d hope however up to it any team is to play as this stage, we will beat them by being better with two chances.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 07, 2023, 01:21:53 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 07, 2023, 01:21:57 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 07, 2023, 01:22:17 PM
Quote from: Russ aka Big No
se link=topic=63791.msg4405454#msg4405454 date=1691410851
se link=topic=63791.msg4405454#msg4405454 date=1691410851
Home or away first?A 24/08
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2023, 01:23:03 PM
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 07, 2023, 01:23:22 PM
Cheers PWS.Home or away first?
Away
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 07, 2023, 01:23:34 PM
When do Hibs and Lucerne play?
Thursday.
Post by: jwarry on August 07, 2023, 01:23:58 PM
Ha! Just seen Hibs manager!
Yes indeed. Horrible shit
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 07, 2023, 01:24:05 PM
Post by: AV82EC on August 07, 2023, 01:24:40 PM
Hearts also drawn at home so I imagine a tie will have to be moved or swapped.
Just spotted that so no booking ahead quite yet.
Post by: jwarry on August 07, 2023, 01:24:53 PM
When do Hibs and Lucerne play?
Thursday.
Next two Thursdays
Post by: olaftab on August 07, 2023, 01:24:56 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on August 07, 2023, 01:26:22 PM
Post by: mrfuse on August 07, 2023, 01:26:47 PM
I hope it’s Luzern as I want to check my bank accounts whilst there
Lucerne is a lovely City stayed on the lake there.
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2023, 01:27:09 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 07, 2023, 01:27:39 PM
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2023, 01:27:40 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2023, 01:29:13 PM
I'd prefer not to have Hibs as they'll be well up for it.
It’s the John McGinn derby though you’d hope however up to it any team is to play as this stage, we will beat them by being better with two chances.
It's also the Jake Doyle-Hayes derby.
Post by: Scovilla on August 07, 2023, 01:29:17 PM
I hope it’s Luzern as I want to check my bank accounts whilst thereLovely indeed. Nice bridge across the lake If I remember well.
Lucerne is a lovely City stayed on the lake there.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 07, 2023, 01:29:41 PM
Apparently away ticket prices will be capped at 25 Euros and the away allocation is 5% of capacity. Obviously home sides can give more if they want.
A reminder of prices and away allocations.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 07, 2023, 01:30:04 PM
Post by: Dave on August 07, 2023, 01:30:49 PM
Hardly did anything for them over three seasons and ended up kicking around Danish, Turkish and now Swiss football for the last few years. Seems to be doing pretty well for them now though.
Post by: andyh on August 07, 2023, 01:30:59 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2023, 01:32:44 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 07, 2023, 01:33:21 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 07, 2023, 01:34:30 PM
so, who are we playing and when...can someone PLEASE summarise ???Hibs or Lucerne 24th 31st August away first unless there is a clash with Hearts
Post by: DeKuip on August 07, 2023, 01:34:35 PM
so, who are we playing and when...can someone PLEASE summarise ???Hibs or Luzern - draw away in first leg 24 Aug but that might change as Hearts also drawn at home. 2nd leg a week later.
Post by: trinityoap on August 07, 2023, 01:34:58 PM
Post by: AV82EC on August 07, 2023, 01:35:09 PM
so, who are we playing and when...can someone PLEASE summarise ???
Either Hibs or Lucerne. Away on the 24th Aug and Home on the 31st Aug
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2023, 01:35:33 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 07, 2023, 01:35:39 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 07, 2023, 01:35:49 PM
https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?363232-UEFA-Europa-Conference-League-Play-off-draw
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 07, 2023, 01:37:50 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 07, 2023, 01:38:26 PM
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 07, 2023, 01:39:42 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2023, 01:40:00 PM
Anyone know if they will be on UEFA tv? Can't see them on the normal channels.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 07, 2023, 01:44:36 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 07, 2023, 01:45:18 PM
Hibs viewapparently JamTarts will be moved
https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?363232-UEFA-Europa-Conference-League-Play-off-draw
Post by: Dave P on August 07, 2023, 01:45:22 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 07, 2023, 01:45:28 PM
Would this be the first time we've played a Scottish team at Villa Park since 1976?
Hib, 1989.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 07, 2023, 01:46:05 PM
Hibs viewapparently JamTarts will be moved
https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?363232-UEFA-Europa-Conference-League-Play-off-draw
I think they're guessing there
Post by: Somniloquism on August 07, 2023, 01:46:27 PM
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2023, 01:46:31 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 07, 2023, 01:47:23 PM
Who have Hearts got?
Think it was PAOK or whoever they are playing.
Post by: Drummond on August 07, 2023, 01:49:24 PM
Post by: AV82EC on August 07, 2023, 01:49:46 PM
Are they also drawing the groups today or will that wait until the matches have been played?
Group draw on 1st Sept.
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2023, 01:50:26 PM
A European draw. This time a year ago we were bemoaning another shit defeat at Bournemouth.
As long as we’re not left bemoaning Olsen chucking one in.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 07, 2023, 01:50:36 PM
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2023, 01:51:25 PM
Post by: Drummond on August 07, 2023, 01:51:36 PM
A European draw. This time a year ago we were bemoaning another shit defeat at Bournemouth.
As long as we’re not left bemoaning Olsen chucking one in.
I'd like us to go with Martinez in net, for every game.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 07, 2023, 01:51:43 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2023, 01:53:44 PM
Hibs view
https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?363232-UEFA-Europa-Conference-League-Play-off-draw
We're such a big draw, we've crashed their forum.
Post by: AV82EC on August 07, 2023, 01:53:46 PM
I believe it would be our first competitive match against a Scottish side since getting twatted 6-1 in the FA Cup 4th round away to Queens Park in 1884.
Great stat.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 07, 2023, 01:54:03 PM
I believe it would be our first competitive match against a Scottish side since getting twatted 6-1 in the FA Cup 4th round away to Queens Park in 1884.
I think we beat Rangers after that. Cup semi-final?
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 07, 2023, 01:55:09 PM
I believe it would be our first competitive match against a Scottish side since getting twatted 6-1 in the FA Cup 4th round away to Queens Park in 1884.
I think we beat Rangers after that. Cup semi-final?
Yes we did. 1887.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 07, 2023, 01:55:48 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 07, 2023, 01:56:08 PM
I believe it would be our first competitive match against a Scottish side since getting twatted 6-1 in the FA Cup 4th round away to Queens Park in 1884.
I think we beat Rangers after that. Cup semi-final?
Yes we did. 1887.
Indeed. Just googled to check my memory.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 07, 2023, 02:01:31 PM
Percy is right, we beat Rangers 3-1 in 1887, match was played in Crewe.
Why was it played in Crewe?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2023, 02:02:53 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2023, 02:05:14 PM
Seem to recall there was a bit of, shall we say, overly boisterous behaviour on the day?
Post by: chrisw1 on August 07, 2023, 02:06:36 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 07, 2023, 02:07:17 PM
Do Hibs fans generally quite like us because of the SJM factor?
Maybe, but I think it's more to do with the fact they're looking forward to the 500 mile walk or more.
Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2023, 02:07:54 PM
"Any changes of date and fixture reversals will be communicated in writing to the clubs and national associations by 18:00 CET on 8 August."
Post by: lovejoy on August 07, 2023, 02:09:17 PM
Post by: Drummond on August 07, 2023, 02:09:32 PM
Post by: darren woolley on August 07, 2023, 02:09:39 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2023, 02:10:05 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on August 07, 2023, 02:11:11 PM
Bit defeatist aren't they? Expecting to lose to Lucerne.Hibs view
https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?363232-UEFA-Europa-Conference-League-Play-off-draw
We're such a big draw, we've crashed their forum.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2023, 02:13:21 PM
Hibs view
https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?363232-UEFA-Europa-Conference-League-Play-off-draw
We're such a big draw, we've crashed their forum.
Bit defeatist aren't they? Expecting to lose to Lucerne.
More realists I'd say, they lost 3-2 at home to St. Mirren yesterday. We'll probably be as disappointed as them if they don't go through.
Post by: lovejoy on August 07, 2023, 02:18:20 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 07, 2023, 02:20:12 PM
Their midfielder Joe Newell is from Tamworth and a nose.
Can't be right, they are all Brummies.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 07, 2023, 02:31:26 PM
Thank You for some Insight.Their midfielder Joe Newell is from Tamworth and a nose.
Can't be right, they are all Brummies.
I can reveal Harry McKirdy and Doyle Hayes are Villa academy graduates. Many here are familiar with them to a degree.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 07, 2023, 02:35:07 PM
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 07, 2023, 02:37:17 PM
Thank You for some Insight.Their midfielder Joe Newell is from Tamworth and a nose.
Can't be right, they are all Brummies.
I can reveal Harry McKirdy and Doyle Hayes are Villa academy graduates. Many here are familiar with them to a degree.
I’m not familiar. Can you help me out?
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 07, 2023, 02:54:24 PM
Post by: Reuben on August 07, 2023, 02:54:48 PM
Would this be the first time we've played a Scottish team at Villa Park since 1976?
Hib, 1989.
Was that friendly the first appearance of God? I seem to recall it may have been the case for Kent Nielsen
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 07, 2023, 03:01:29 PM
Hibernian been poor for a few seasonsBit defeatist aren't they? Expecting to lose to Lucerne.Hibs view
https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?363232-UEFA-Europa-Conference-League-Play-off-draw
We're such a big draw, we've crashed their forum.
Post by: Gerrin on August 07, 2023, 03:09:28 PM
Hibernian been poor for a few seasonsBit defeatist aren't they? Expecting to lose to Lucerne.Hibs view
https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?363232-UEFA-Europa-Conference-League-Play-off-draw
We're such a big draw, we've crashed their forum.
They seem to think we're not bothered about it and it won't sell out so they'll get loads of tickets. If it is Hibs, I would expect it to sell out, fingers crossed.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 07, 2023, 03:21:32 PM
Getting a ticket for the Hibs game 24th August will be difficult enough, getting accommodation in Edinburgh in August more difficult still.We are up there the night after watching my daughter at The Fringe and yep, hotels are £££ and scarce!
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 07, 2023, 03:38:37 PM
From something I read long ago I think the official reason at the time was 'convenient trains'.Percy is right, we beat Rangers 3-1 in 1887, match was played in Crewe.
Why was it played in Crewe?
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 07, 2023, 03:52:46 PM
From something I read long ago I think the official reason at the time was 'convenient trains'.Percy is right, we beat Rangers 3-1 in 1887, match was played in Crewe.
Why was it played in Crewe?
Crewe was the centre of the rail network.
Post by: VillaTim on August 07, 2023, 03:57:28 PM
Getting a ticket for the Hibs game 24th August will be difficult enough, getting accommodation in Edinburgh in August more difficult still.Premier Inn coming in at about £200
This game might still get switched to Villa Park first cos of the Hearts game
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 07, 2023, 03:59:19 PM
From something I read long ago I think the official reason at the time was 'convenient trains'.Percy is right, we beat Rangers 3-1 in 1887, match was played in Crewe.
Why was it played in Crewe?
Crewe was the centre of the rail network.
It's all change now....sorry, couldn't resist.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 07, 2023, 04:00:57 PM
Post by: Clampy on August 07, 2023, 04:01:22 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 07, 2023, 04:02:16 PM
As a matter of interest do you know whether that game was played at what is now Gresty Road? I asked the Crewe club historian (self-appointed) when I lived there and he never gave me an answer.From something I read long ago I think the official reason at the time was 'convenient trains'.Percy is right, we beat Rangers 3-1 in 1887, match was played in Crewe.
Why was it played in Crewe?
Crewe was the centre of the rail network.
Post by: Des Little on August 07, 2023, 04:02:39 PM
Post by: AV82EC on August 07, 2023, 04:05:31 PM
If we are playing Hibs, it needs to be second leg away for me. Make it so!
That would be my preference.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 07, 2023, 04:07:42 PM
I've lost track of what's going on.
Is that in general?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 07, 2023, 04:07:58 PM
As a matter of interest do you know whether that game was played at what is now Gresty Road? I asked the Crewe club historian (self-appointed) when I lived there and he never gave me an answer.
No it was at The Alexandra Recreation Ground, also known as Nantwich Road.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 07, 2023, 04:15:07 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 07, 2023, 04:22:11 PM
Thanks PWS.
As a matter of interest do you know whether that game was played at what is now Gresty Road? I asked the Crewe club historian (self-appointed) when I lived there and he never gave me an answer.
No it was at The Alexandra Recreation Ground, also known as Nantwich Road.
Post by: AV82EC on August 07, 2023, 04:23:23 PM
I don't like Hibs' chances of getting through. I'd say 4th place in the Swiss league is probably of a higher quality than 5th place in Scotland. I hope I'm wrong as I have a lot of time for the Hibees.
Not that it really matters/means anything but I think Hibs UEFA coefficient is slightly higher so not a foregone conclusion they’re any worse or better. Then again it’s Hibs and their Manager is that pint sized pillock Johnson so swings and roundabouts.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2023, 04:30:51 PM
I've lost track of what's going on.
Is that in general?
It's hard to gauge.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 07, 2023, 04:43:15 PM
Percy is right, we beat Rangers 3-1 in 1887, match was played in Crewe.
Why was it played in Crewe?
Suppose it was handy for both sides as relatively between us both and on a train line.
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2023, 04:59:58 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on August 07, 2023, 05:18:34 PM
As a matter of interest do you know whether that game was played at what is now Gresty Road? I asked the Crewe club historian (self-appointed) when I lived there and he never gave me an answer.
After the furore several years ago about the then club historian/ documentator / librarian, was the position retained and filled by someone else. Or one that disappeared with Lerners interests?
Post by: Somniloquism on August 07, 2023, 05:19:52 PM
Hopefully Hibbs make it through. I don't fancy spending £12 a pint.
Cheaper then Edinburgh during The Fringe I would have thought.
Post by: eamonn on August 07, 2023, 05:34:54 PM
From something I read long ago I think the official reason at the time was 'convenient trains'.Percy is right, we beat Rangers 3-1 in 1887, match was played in Crewe.
Why was it played in Crewe?
Crewe was the centre of the rail network.
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Post by: UK Redsox on August 07, 2023, 05:38:08 PM
Hopefully Hibbs make it through. I don't fancy spending £12 a pint.
Cheaper then Edinburgh during The Fringe I would have thought.
Yep, don't expect any reasonable hotel prices either.
A friend of mine paid £420 just for last Saturday night
Post by: olaftab on August 07, 2023, 05:44:40 PM
Just bugger off both of you. It has to be 24th or even 23rd to suit me. I am, I let you know, bigger supporters than you both!If we are playing Hibs, it needs to be second leg away for me. Make it so!
That would be my preference.
Post by: olaftab on August 07, 2023, 05:47:21 PM
Hopefully Hibbs make it through. I don't fancy spending £12 a pint.OK Fred😊
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 07, 2023, 06:12:44 PM
From something I read long ago I think the official reason at the time was 'convenient trains'.Percy is right, we beat Rangers 3-1 in 1887, match was played in Crewe.
Why was it played in Crewe?
Crewe was the centre of the rail network.
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/3cd95e88d8f9287307e5c8c1eda88334c6c9c813/481_764_3973_2384/master/3973.jpg?width=620&dpr=2&s=none)
Fucking hell. They're an ambitious bunch.
Post by: Dave P on August 07, 2023, 06:23:02 PM
Percy is right, we beat Rangers 3-1 in 1887, match was played in Crewe.
Why was it played in Crewe?
Because Bruce Springsteen was playing at Villa Park.
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 07, 2023, 07:07:19 PM
Winning this competition it's a platform we could build on and steam ahead further up the leagueFrom something I read long ago I think the official reason at the time was 'convenient trains'.Percy is right, we beat Rangers 3-1 in 1887, match was played in Crewe.
Why was it played in Crewe?
Crewe was the centre of the rail network.
It's all change now....sorry, couldn't resist.
Post by: Bad English on August 07, 2023, 07:16:46 PM
I wonder if that would be the preference of Unai Emery and his team.If we are playing Hibs, it needs to be second leg away for me. Make it so!
That would be my preference.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 07, 2023, 08:34:09 PM
The first leg will be away.Just bugger off both of you. It has to be 24th or even 23rd to suit me. I am, I let you know, bigger supporters than you both!If we are playing Hibs, it needs to be second leg away for me. Make it so!
That would be my preference.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2023, 08:41:06 PM
The first leg will be away.
Hope so, although not ideal for any travelling fans.
Post by: AV82EC on August 07, 2023, 08:41:31 PM
The first leg will be away.Just bugger off both of you. It has to be 24th or even 23rd to suit me. I am, I let you know, bigger supporters than you both!If we are playing Hibs, it needs to be second leg away for me. Make it so!
That would be my preference.
Said with certainty CL?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 07, 2023, 08:46:04 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 07, 2023, 09:13:42 PM
I believe it is based on coefficient ranking and Hearts will get the advantage of playing away first as they finished higher than Hibs.The first leg will be away.Just bugger off both of you. It has to be 24th or even 23rd to suit me. I am, I let you know, bigger supporters than you both!If we are playing Hibs, it needs to be second leg away for me. Make it so!
That would be my preference.
Said with certainty CL?
Post by: Dave P on August 07, 2023, 10:07:09 PM
Post by: Des Little on August 07, 2023, 10:12:08 PM
Just bugger off both of you. It has to be 24th or even 23rd to suit me. I am, I let you know, bigger supporters than you both!If we are playing Hibs, it needs to be second leg away for me. Make it so!
That would be my preference.
We know that, but do UEFA? You may want to pass them a brown envelope, just in case they’ve ‘forgotten’
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 07, 2023, 10:18:45 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on August 07, 2023, 11:47:59 PM
Would this be the first time we've played a Scottish team at Villa Park since 1976?
Hib, 1989.
Was that friendly the first appearance of God? I seem to recall it may have been the case for Kent Nielsen
Seem to remember through the mists of time that Adrian Heath played for us in that game as well. Only played a couple of games if I recall correctly, so guess he was on some kind of trial? Seem to remember Hibs having a really smart Adidas kit, but that is about it.
Hope it is Hibs really. Would definitely add a bit of interest and spice to the tie, along with the John McGinn / Des Bremner angle.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 07, 2023, 11:51:56 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on August 07, 2023, 11:54:22 PM
Hibernian been poor for a few seasonsBit defeatist aren't they? Expecting to lose to Lucerne.Hibs view
https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?363232-UEFA-Europa-Conference-League-Play-off-draw
We're such a big draw, we've crashed their forum.
They seem to think we're not bothered about it and it won't sell out so they'll get loads of tickets. If it is Hibs, I would expect it to sell out, fingers crossed.
If they get the pricing right and the fact that it's still in the school holidays and it will be our first game back in European competition for over a decade, then I think it will be a big crowd. Even more so if we start the season well.
Post by: Matt C on August 08, 2023, 02:08:25 AM
Hibs view
https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?363232-UEFA-Europa-Conference-League-Play-off-draw
They sound confident:
“Hibs defence is as solid as a melted toblerone sitting on a deck chair wearing a t shirt saying if I was chocolate I’d eat myself.”
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 08, 2023, 07:09:08 AM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 08, 2023, 07:21:31 AM
Would this be the first time we've played a Scottish team at Villa Park since 1976?
Hib, 1989.
Was that friendly the first appearance of God? I seem to recall it may have been the case for Kent Nielsen
Seem to remember through the mists of time that Adrian Heath played for us in that game as well. Only played a couple of games if I recall correctly, so guess he was on some kind of trial? Seem to remember Hibs having a really smart Adidas kit, but that is about it.
Hope it is Hibs really. Would definitely add a bit of interest and spice to the tie, along with the John McGinn / Des Bremner angle.
Was that the game where George Best ended up wearing a Villa shirt? Was the Hummel kit.
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2023, 07:47:41 AM
Will the away tickets be subject to away scheme?
There is no away scheme and hasn't been for a few years. There's no agreed system yet, could be anything including a ballot for the European aways. I would suspect it will mirror the league away game allotment, but more will filter through.
Post by: j66acd on August 08, 2023, 08:00:28 AM
Post by: WarszaVillan on August 08, 2023, 08:14:59 AM
Would this be the first time we've played a Scottish team at Villa Park since 1976?
Hib, 1989.
Was that friendly the first appearance of God? I seem to recall it may have been the case for Kent Nielsen
Seem to remember through the mists of time that Adrian Heath played for us in that game as well. Only played a couple of games if I recall correctly, so guess he was on some kind of trial? Seem to remember Hibs having a really smart Adidas kit, but that is about it.
Hope it is Hibs really. Would definitely add a bit of interest and spice to the tie, along with the John McGinn / Des Bremner angle.
Was that the game where George Best ended up wearing a Villa shirt? Was the Hummel kit.
No, that was during a fundraiser game v West Brom for the victims of the Bradford fire.
Post by: Gerrin on August 08, 2023, 08:22:17 AM
Has anyone found what channel the Hibs v Luzern game is on? Fancy doing an Emery and researching our opponents.
SRF Zwei Schweiz HD
Post by: Somniloquism on August 08, 2023, 08:36:03 AM
Hibs view
https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?363232-UEFA-Europa-Conference-League-Play-off-draw
They sound confident:
“Hibs defence is as solid as a melted toblerone sitting on a deck chair wearing a t shirt saying if I was chocolate I’d eat myself.”
Most of them only want the match to see SJM on their pitch again. I don' think any think they will be getting a chance to go any further. Hope they get their wish.
Post by: London Villan on August 08, 2023, 08:47:39 AM
Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 08, 2023, 09:02:23 AM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 08, 2023, 09:04:17 AM
Has anyone found what channel the Hibs v Luzern game is on? Fancy doing an Emery and researching our opponents.
SRF Zwei Schweiz HD
Using my extensive knowledge of German, this means SRF Two Switzerland HD.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 08, 2023, 09:04:41 AM
Post by: olaftab on August 08, 2023, 09:53:44 AM
Post by: garyfouroaks on August 08, 2023, 09:58:50 AM
Their manager Herr Frick was a hugely experienced footballer playing over 664 games.
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 08, 2023, 10:06:05 AM
Their manager Herr Frick was a hugely experienced footballer playing over 664 games.
Although he did miss several seasons as he was on a mission to locate the Fallen Madonna With The Big Boobies.
Post by: LeeB on August 08, 2023, 10:07:35 AM
Their manager Herr Frick was a hugely experienced footballer playing over 664 games.
Although he did miss several seasons as he was on a mission to locate the Fallen Madonna With The Big Boobies.
Caused controversy when he told his players "You may kiss me".
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2023, 10:08:28 AM
Has anyone found what channel the Hibs v Luzern game is on? Fancy doing an Emery and researching our opponents.
SRF Zwei Schweiz HD
Using my extensive knowledge of German, this means SRF Two Switzerland HD.
I bet Emery will be shown in the crowd, sat there inscrutably soaking in every detail of the two sides. Monchi and Vidagamy alongside him to mop up any details that he misses (AS IF).
Post by: Somniloquism on August 08, 2023, 10:08:31 AM
Their manager Herr Frick was a hugely experienced footballer playing over 664 games.
Although he did miss several seasons as he was on a mission to locate the Fallen Madonna With The Big Boobies.
Big fan of Klopp as well.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2023, 10:09:45 AM
FCL are no mugs and a proper football team with a solid ST support. At 17000, the capacity is only 3000 smaller than Easter Rd. They pull up to around 14,000 for the big games so there will not be many spares.
It would of course be interesting to see us play Hibs but I feel that Luzern would be a 'proper' European tie, whereas playing a Scottish side a bit preseason friendly-ish
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 08, 2023, 10:37:59 AM
Bring on the Hibees I say.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 08, 2023, 11:04:57 AM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 08, 2023, 11:10:32 AM
Indeed so
Post by: Lsvilla on August 08, 2023, 11:32:01 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on August 08, 2023, 11:32:24 AM
Post by: VillaTim on August 08, 2023, 11:36:18 AM
Apparently 1st leg of Hibs v Luzern will be on BBC Scotland.I'm washing my hair that night
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 08, 2023, 11:37:05 AM
Not sure if this is right but does Sawiris' brother own 12.5% of Lucerne ?
According to Wiki, yes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samih_Sawiris
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 08, 2023, 11:38:57 AM
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on August 08, 2023, 11:53:32 AM
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/hibs-vs-fc-luzern-to-be-shown-on-bbcAnd iPlayer
Indeed so
"As well as being on the BBC Scotland channel, the matches will also be available on BBC iPlayer and with accompanying live text coverage on the BBC Sport website and app.
Post by: Martyn Smith on August 08, 2023, 01:06:15 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/jz90Lp9/Screenshot-20230808-130433-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jz90Lp9)
Post by: Martyn Smith on August 08, 2023, 01:07:17 PM
Apparently 1st leg of Hibs v Luzern will be on BBC Scotland.I'm washing my hair that night
This Thu isn't it? Going out, tck...
Post by: Martyn Smith on August 08, 2023, 01:09:44 PM
I don't like Hibs' chances of getting through. I'd say 4th place in the Swiss league is probably of a higher quality than 5th place in Scotland. I hope I'm wrong as I have a lot of time for the Hibees.
Not that it really matters/means anything but I think Hibs UEFA coefficient is slightly higher so not a foregone conclusion they’re any worse or better. Then again it’s Hibs and their Manager is that pint sized pillock Johnson so swings and roundabouts.
He's not so popular with the Hibs support following defeats away to Andorra whatnots and at home to St Mirren. I guess though he'll be in charge against us if we do meet them as European progress should keep him in the post
Post by: Martyn Smith on August 08, 2023, 01:14:55 PM
TNT Sports
Down the pub it is then...
Post by: john e on August 08, 2023, 02:42:52 PM
It’s about 9 hours from the euro tunnel (560 miles)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 08, 2023, 02:59:07 PM
If we draw Lucerne will people look at driving ?
It’s about 9 hours from the euro tunnel (560 miles)
Hibs fans would walk that or more.
Post by: Dogtanian on August 08, 2023, 03:04:12 PM
If we draw Lucerne will people look at driving ?
It’s about 9 hours from the euro tunnel (560 miles)
Hibs fans would walk that or more.
;D
Post by: algy on August 08, 2023, 03:04:19 PM
Hotel reserved in Edinburgh to cover either 24th or 23rd. Four Point Sheraton near Haymarket train station. Booking a room in Luzern is a bit more of a problem at the moment.I dunno what the prices are at the moment, but in case it helps anyone... if you're really stuck, my old uni (Heriot-Watt) has a shit-tonne of rooms available, unadvertised, in the halls of residence:
https://www.hw.ac.uk/uk/edinburgh/accommodation.htm
The number 25 bus starts there, it's 30-40mins to the top of Leith Walk (depending traffic etc), which is walking distance from Easter Road. 24hr bus service, varies from every 12mins (peak) through to every 20mins (between midnight & 5am)
Useful if you're needing not-extortionate accommodation during the festival :)
Post by: Monty on August 08, 2023, 03:07:36 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 08, 2023, 03:08:53 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2023, 03:12:59 PM
AEK Athens v Dinamo Zagreb CL qualifier has been postponed.
Quote
A man has died after being stabbed in violence among fans of AEK Athens and Dinamo Zagreb in Athens, police said.
The man was stabbed several times in clashes among fans of both clubs outside AEK’s stadium in Nea Philadelphia late on Monday, a police official said. Police said 100 to 120 Dinamo fans had shown up late on Monday near the AEK stadium, and where AEK fans had gathered.
Clashes broke out more than an hour after the visiting team’s training session ended and the team had left the stadium, with fans from both sides hurling flares, makeshift explosives and stones, police said.
Three Greek and five Croatian fans were also injured and being treated, and 98 people were arrested over taking part in the violence, the police official said.
Dinamo condemned the incident. “Such events are not in line with the values and ethics we promote as a club and community,” they said in a statement.
A Greek police spokesperson said the Champions League qualifying-round match between AEK and Dinamo scheduled to take place at AEK’s stadium on Tuesday had been postponed.
Greek football has been plagued by violence on and off the pitch and authorities have repeatedly promised to clean up the game. Fights between fans are frequent before or after a game despite heavy fines.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 08, 2023, 03:19:10 PM
Post by: Monty on August 08, 2023, 03:19:20 PM
I used to live above the Holyrood Tavern.
Used to live round the corner up St Mary's Street. The 9A was the best local choice for drinking alone without being recognised. Then I told everyone about it being good and there went that.
Post by: algy on August 08, 2023, 03:20:43 PM
I used to live above the Holyrood Tavern.Ha, used to go for pre-Dogma drinks there 8)
Post by: Paul.S on August 08, 2023, 03:26:24 PM
A reminder that European matches aren't all jolly fun days.
AEK Athens v Dinamo Zagreb CL qualifier has been postponed.QuoteA man has died after being stabbed in violence among fans of AEK Athens and Dinamo Zagreb in Athens, police said.
The man was stabbed several times in clashes among fans of both clubs outside AEK’s stadium in Nea Philadelphia late on Monday, a police official said. Police said 100 to 120 Dinamo fans had shown up late on Monday near the AEK stadium, and where AEK fans had gathered.
Clashes broke out more than an hour after the visiting team’s training session ended and the team had left the stadium, with fans from both sides hurling flares, makeshift explosives and stones, police said.
Three Greek and five Croatian fans were also injured and being treated, and 98 people were arrested over taking part in the violence, the police official said.
Dinamo condemned the incident. “Such events are not in line with the values and ethics we promote as a club and community,” they said in a statement.
A Greek police spokesperson said the Champions League qualifying-round match between AEK and Dinamo scheduled to take place at AEK’s stadium on Tuesday had been postponed.
Greek football has been plagued by violence on and off the pitch and authorities have repeatedly promised to clean up the game. Fights between fans are frequent before or after a game despite heavy fines.
And unfortunately English fans are still seen as the No1 target.
Post by: yammers on August 08, 2023, 04:12:59 PM
Has anyone found what channel the Hibs v Luzern game is on? Fancy doing an Emery and researching our opponents.
BBC Scotland and I think live on I Player too.
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2023, 04:16:22 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 08, 2023, 04:59:11 PM
I used to live above the Holyrood Tavern.
Used to live round the corner up St Mary's Street. The 9A was the best local choice for drinking alone without being recognised. Then I told everyone about it being good and there went that.
There are lots of places I can go without being recognised.
Post by: DeKuip on August 08, 2023, 05:21:12 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 08, 2023, 05:48:53 PM
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2023, 05:56:27 PM
If probably drive to Hibbs if its them. Closer to me than Palace is.
As is Mordor.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 08, 2023, 06:31:30 PM
A reminder that European matches aren't all jolly fun days.
AEK Athens v Dinamo Zagreb CL qualifier has been postponed.
Aren't Serbian and Greek football fans a bit cosy (possibly because of the whole Eastern Orthodox thing)? Not sure if this translates into antagonism between Greek and Croatian fans.
Post by: Bad English on August 08, 2023, 06:51:11 PM
The 9A was the best local choice for drinking alone without being recognised.Rock star? MI6 officer? registered sex-offender? SPL footballer?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 08, 2023, 06:58:17 PM
The 9A was the best local choice for drinking alone without being recognised.Rock star? MI6 officer? registered sex-offender? SPL footballer?
Hitchcock lookalike.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 08, 2023, 07:03:03 PM
The 9A was the best local choice for drinking alone without being recognised.
Rock star? MI6 officer? registered sex-offender? SPL footballer?
Scottish golfer.
Post by: Bad English on August 08, 2023, 07:17:54 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 08, 2023, 09:20:28 PM
Porn star?The 9A was the best local choice for drinking alone without being recognised.Rock star? MI6 officer? registered sex-offender? SPL footballer?
Post by: Drummond on August 09, 2023, 05:38:38 AM
The 9A was the best local choice for drinking alone without being recognised.Rock star? MI6 officer? registered sex-offender? SPL footballer?
Stripper in Sheffield
Post by: Dogtanian on August 09, 2023, 06:58:31 AM
The 9A was the best local choice for drinking alone without being recognised.Rock star? MI6 officer? registered sex-offender? SPL footballer?
Stripper in Sheffield
;D
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 09, 2023, 07:15:22 AM
Don't remember hearing that AEK were especially dodgy.
Post by: cdward on August 09, 2023, 09:38:49 AM
Think Dinamo Zagreb have a history of large hooligan following.
Don't remember hearing that AEK were especially dodgy.
AEK Basketball fans have a bit of a reputation.
They recently had all home fans banned from watching them and a fine (which has since been reduced) https://basketnews.com/news-192478-aek-season-long-fine-with-no-home-fans-has-been-partially-reduced.html
Post by: eamonn on August 09, 2023, 11:12:13 AM
The 9A was the best local choice for drinking alone without being recognised.Rock star? MI6 officer? registered sex-offender? SPL footballer?
Stripper in Sheffield
Sheffield: Sex City
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 09, 2023, 01:58:34 PM
The 9A was the best local choice for drinking alone without being recognised.Rock star? MI6 officer? registered sex-offender? SPL footballer?
Stripper in Sheffield
Sheffield: Sex City
The women there certainly have to steel themselves.
Post by: Drummond on August 09, 2023, 09:53:46 PM
The 9A was the best local choice for drinking alone without being recognised.Rock star? MI6 officer? registered sex-offender? SPL footballer?
Stripper in Sheffield
Sheffield: Sex City
The women there certainly have to steel themselves.
I'm sure you have irons in the fire...
Post by: coreyfeldman on August 10, 2023, 10:28:20 AM
Think Dinamo Zagreb have a history of large hooligan following.
Don't remember hearing that AEK were especially dodgy.
AEK Basketball fans have a bit of a reputation.
They recently had all home fans banned from watching them and a fine (which has since been reduced) https://basketnews.com/news-192478-aek-season-long-fine-with-no-home-fans-has-been-partially-reduced.html
The violence in Greek teams/supporters is totally widespread - when I was there I went to see Kalithea who were league 2 at the time and fans of another team arrived midway through the match to fight, not even the team they were playing that day.
There's been history between Greek fans and Croatians too, but even when away fans were banned for the WC play off game I went to in Athens it didn't stop the ultras from Athens teams turning up to batter each other outside. Absolutely relentless.
I love the city and will definitely go if we make the final but honestly I wouldn't be surprised to see Greek ultras turning up to cause trouble even if they're not represented.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 10, 2023, 01:49:23 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 10, 2023, 02:10:42 PM
Sounds like a Greek TragedyThink Dinamo Zagreb have a history of large hooligan following.
Don't remember hearing that AEK were especially dodgy.
AEK Basketball fans have a bit of a reputation.
They recently had all home fans banned from watching them and a fine (which has since been reduced) https://basketnews.com/news-192478-aek-season-long-fine-with-no-home-fans-has-been-partially-reduced.html
The violence in Greek teams/supporters is totally widespread - when I was there I went to see Kalithea who were league 2 at the time and fans of another team arrived midway through the match to fight, not even the team they were playing that day.
There's been history between Greek fans and Croatians too, but even when away fans were banned for the WC play off game I went to in Athens it didn't stop the ultras from Athens teams turning up to batter each other outside. Absolutely relentless.
I love the city and will definitely go if we make the final but honestly I wouldn't be surprised to see Greek ultras turning up to cause trouble even if they're not represented.
Post by: FrankyH on August 10, 2023, 05:07:59 PM
Post by: olaftab on August 10, 2023, 05:13:09 PM
Don't know if this has already been posted . Tickets now on sale for season ticket holders for home leg ...£30Except they are not. Email was well ahead of Ticket site putting em up.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 10, 2023, 05:13:49 PM
Post by: olaftab on August 10, 2023, 05:15:19 PM
The wit is cutting here like knife through butter.The women there certainly have to steel themselves.Sheffield: Sex CityThe 9A was the best local choice for drinking alone without being recognised.Rock star? MI6 officer? registered sex-offender? SPL footballer?
Stripper in Sheffield
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 10, 2023, 05:17:18 PM
information on website nowDon't know if this has already been posted . Tickets now on sale for season ticket holders for home leg ...£30Except they are not. Email was well ahead of Ticket site putting em up.
Post by: Ads on August 10, 2023, 05:17:49 PM
Remember to click "here" and not mash the block your season ticket is in from map...
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2023, 05:22:05 PM
30 odd quid for Thursday night 3rd tier European competition against Hibs or a team I've never heard of. They really have lost the plot
Probably shouldn’t go then.
Post by: Ads on August 10, 2023, 05:23:36 PM
30 odd quid for Thursday night 3rd tier European competition against Hibs or a team I've never heard of. They really have lost the plot
Probably shouldn’t go then.
Don't bother, he's just a sad troll. His AI poem the other day was a proper mask slipping pisstake too far.
Post by: olaftab on August 10, 2023, 05:27:33 PM
30 odd quid for Thursday night 3rd tier European competition against Hibs or a team I've never heard of. They really have lost the plotJust purchased 3. Can't believe tickets are so cheap. Well done Villa.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 10, 2023, 05:28:45 PM
If you want to accept the constant attack on the working class then that's your choice. West Ham United a London club charged £15 for their games last season.
It's a disgrace
Not even a ST Discount
Post by: Villan For Life on August 10, 2023, 05:34:08 PM
30 odd quid for Thursday night 3rd tier European competition against Hibs or a team I've never heard of. They really have lost the plotJust purchased 3. Can't believe tickets are so cheap. Well done Villa.
Bargain, well done Villa.
Post by: villadelph on August 10, 2023, 05:36:27 PM
I won't be
If you want to accept the constant attack on the working class then that's your choice. West Ham United a London club charged £15 for their games last season.
It's a disgrace
Not even a ST Discount
The chairs under your bridge are probably more comfortable anyway..
Post by: eamonn on August 10, 2023, 05:37:09 PM
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 10, 2023, 05:43:09 PM
I won't be
If you want to accept the constant attack on the working class then that's your choice. West Ham United a London club charged £15 for their games last season.
It's a disgrace
Not even a ST Discount
Just got off the phone to Chris Heck, he said he doesn’t want you there. He’s going to serve olives instead of chips too.
Post by: AV84 on August 10, 2023, 05:50:06 PM
I won't be
If you want to accept the constant attack on the working class then that's your choice. West Ham United a London club charged £15 for their games last season.
It's a disgrace
Not even a ST Discount
Isn't it sort of reverse snobbery to think the working class deserve special treatment?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2023, 05:54:28 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 06:00:35 PM
30 quid sounds fair enough.
Of course it is. Except for one person on here that will find raindrops of shit in every ray of sunshine.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2023, 06:03:34 PM
Post by: john e on August 10, 2023, 06:06:43 PM
30 quid sounds fair enough.
Of course it is. Except for one person on here that will find raindrops of shit in every ray of sunshine.
Not me, I think 30 quid is a bit steep to be honest
£15-£20 with concession’s would have been about right and seen the place packed
If it’s Hibs we’ll probably sell out, but if it’s the Swiss lot probably not
Post by: Clampy on August 10, 2023, 06:10:20 PM
Post by: charleeco7 on August 10, 2023, 06:30:12 PM
30 quid sounds fair enough.
Of course it is. Except for one person on here that will find raindrops of shit in every ray of sunshine.
Not me, I think 30 quid is a bit steep to be honest
£15-£20 with concession’s would have been about right and seen the place packed
If it’s Hibs we’ll probably sell out, but if it’s the Swiss lot probably not
Have to agree. It’s £10 a ticket too dear, also I signed up to the cup scheme so do I have to do anything?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 10, 2023, 06:38:59 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 10, 2023, 06:41:49 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 10, 2023, 06:56:03 PM
I won't be
If you want to accept the constant attack on the working class then that's your choice. West Ham United a London club charged £15 for their games last season.
It's a disgrace
Not even a ST Discount
well, that's not quite true, is it?
https://www.whufc.com/tickets/home-matches/uefa-europa-conference-league-three-match-package
Post by: London Villan on August 10, 2023, 07:26:09 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 10, 2023, 07:29:04 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/66442571
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 10, 2023, 07:29:58 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on August 10, 2023, 07:42:51 PM
By the looks of the Hibernian stadium and the turnout , it looks like they aren't really bothered by it
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 10, 2023, 07:46:44 PM
£30 is too much for a qualifier.
It is. However, if there’s one thing this regime is good at it’s making (milking) the most from any opportunity. They’ve figured in a big demand based on our European absence the last 10 years. Therefore it's £30. If we’re in it next season it will be less, if it’s a CL qualifier it will be more.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 10, 2023, 07:47:48 PM
I won't be
If you want to accept the constant attack on the working class then that's your choice. West Ham United a London club charged £15 for their games last season.
It's a disgrace
Not even a ST Discount
well, that's not quite true, is it?
https://www.whufc.com/tickets/home-matches/uefa-europa-conference-league-three-match-package
You're refering to the group stage , which still offers some very good prices for packages depending on bands you go for. Good value
Post by: Ads on August 10, 2023, 07:58:26 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on August 10, 2023, 08:06:13 PM
Post by: charlatan on August 10, 2023, 08:12:39 PM
I won't be
If you want to accept the constant attack on the working class then that's your choice. West Ham United a London club charged £15 for their games last season.
It's a disgrace
Not even a ST Discount
Isn't it sort of reverse snobbery to think the working class deserve special treatment?
The rules are complicated. Forum consensus appears to be it's OK for middle class social democrats to say the working class deserve special treatment (and for left of centre or centrist governments to follow through largely with attempts to re-educate them), but evil and cynical for the Tories to say the same (and then probably not bother/leave them to their own devices unless they've embraced a new drug). And it's no good for the working class to say they deserve anything both for the reason you state and because if they are white they are probably racist, voted for Brexit and have bad taste (unless it's pride about almost anything Birmingham related except the obvious), so shouldn't be enabled (hence the preference for re-education).
I'd go with if an event ends up close to selling out, then the price however high is ex post justifiable. However, so many sporting events go ahead with high ticket prices but sparse crowds and that seems unjustifiable. I think the former is more likely than the latter here.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 10, 2023, 08:17:10 PM
Post by: villadelph on August 10, 2023, 08:18:51 PM
I'll be going but I am a bit annoyed they haven't announced kick off time yet. I assume 7.45 which, being middle class, clashes with my evening meal time.
The middle class can eat?!
Post by: luke95 on August 10, 2023, 08:19:08 PM
30 quid sounds fair enough.
Of course it is. Except for one person on here that will find raindrops of shit in every ray of sunshine.
Nope , £20 is plenty for this stage of the competition.
Same for League & FA Cup... £20 is plenty for early rounds.
As good as it is to be back in European football let's not kid ourselves that it's nothing more than a 3rd rate competition.
Post by: Ads on August 10, 2023, 08:19:12 PM
I'll be going but I am a bit annoyed they haven't announced kick off time yet. I assume 7.45 which, being middle class, clashes with my evening meal time.
The middle class can eat?!
Almost exclusively supper in the Terrace View.
Post by: darren woolley on August 10, 2023, 08:28:22 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2023, 08:33:18 PM
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 10, 2023, 08:36:38 PM
Post by: TelfordVilla on August 10, 2023, 08:49:09 PM
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Post by: TelfordVilla on August 10, 2023, 08:55:44 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 10, 2023, 09:08:47 PM
I'll be going but I am a bit annoyed they haven't announced kick off time yet. I assume 7.45 which, being middle class, clashes with my evening meal time.
A lot of the games seem to be starting at 19:30.
Post by: Gareth on August 10, 2023, 09:18:49 PM
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Post by: astonvilla82 on August 10, 2023, 09:45:42 PM
19.45 according to match ticketI'll be going but I am a bit annoyed they haven't announced kick off time yet. I assume 7.45 which, being middle class, clashes with my evening meal time.
A lot of the games seem to be starting at 19:30.
Post by: VillaTim on August 10, 2023, 09:54:01 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 10, 2023, 09:55:23 PM
Hibs lead through the BrummieAnd he's not Villa a supporter, he's from the dark side , he's a big bluenose, means he goes down when they play the Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on August 10, 2023, 10:11:33 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 10, 2023, 10:21:28 PM
£15 would have been fair for a preliminary round vs piss poor opposition
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 10, 2023, 10:21:42 PM
Post by: leylandalbion on August 10, 2023, 10:23:09 PM
When are home tickets likely to go on sale?They are now for ST. Claret members 14th General sale 21st
Post by: tomd2103 on August 10, 2023, 10:30:30 PM
When are home tickets likely to go on sale?They are now for ST. Claret members 14th General sale 21st
Thanks mate. £32 is a bit steep, was thinking they would be below £30.
Post by: VillaTim on August 10, 2023, 11:04:37 PM
Post by: rougegorge on August 10, 2023, 11:39:36 PM
£32 to watch Olsen, Dendonker , Bailey etc . Seems steep to meThey would only be playing if we have a comfortable lead from the first leg.
Also, the traffic for an evening game won't be so bad, as it's school holidays.
Post by: VillaTim on August 10, 2023, 11:45:15 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on August 11, 2023, 02:48:01 AM
£32 to watch Olsen, Dendonker , Bailey etc . Seems steep to me
Grow up
Post by: JD on August 11, 2023, 05:48:37 AM
£32 to watch Olsen, Dendonker , Bailey etc . Seems steep to me
You do have a choice you know and don't have to go.
Post by: CT on August 11, 2023, 06:36:15 AM
A lot of us who thought we were having a “European tour” might find that’s a bit of a damp squib.
Post by: Axl Rose on August 11, 2023, 06:49:15 AM
Post by: VillaTim on August 11, 2023, 06:57:44 AM
Totally agree, I just think the price Is a bit high, still expect a decent gate£32 to watch Olsen, Dendonker , Bailey etc . Seems steep to me
You do have a choice you know and don't have to go.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 11, 2023, 07:27:05 AM
There's no way we sell out if it's the Swiss team, possibly Hibs but at those prices and it being a night game I wouldn't expect it.
Post by: sid1964 on August 11, 2023, 07:27:31 AM
Please note, attendance at this fixture may be included in any future sales criteria required for further potential UEFA Europa Conference League matches.
Post by: Dave P on August 11, 2023, 07:30:58 AM
£32 to watch Aston Villa.
FTFY
Post by: Ads on August 11, 2023, 07:40:51 AM
£32 to watch Aston Villa.
FTFY
Weird isn't it? Fight to get into a competition, then turn your nose up at it first opportunity over the price you'd pay to watch us play Newcastle on Saturday.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 11, 2023, 07:47:32 AM
not weird for me, I can't afford to go to any more games than my ST£32 to watch Aston Villa.
FTFY
Weird isn't it? Fight to get into a competition, then turn your nose up at it first opportunity over the price you'd pay to watch us play Newcastle on Saturday.
Post by: Dave P on August 11, 2023, 08:12:43 AM
Post by: Risso on August 11, 2023, 08:21:39 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on August 11, 2023, 08:26:24 AM
Years of waiting for an interesting European tie and we get a visit to Scotland!
😂 Yeah, this is it for me, too. Course, I'll still be waking up at god knows what time to watch it!
If I was back home, and planning on going to the away leg, I'd be hoping Luzern turn it around. And I don't like Hibernian, so there's that aswell.
Will be a nice game for those with a connection to Hibs, though. And Mcginn!
Post by: Bad English on August 11, 2023, 08:44:38 AM
Years of waiting for an interesting European tie and we get a visit to Scotland!Well, at least they wanted to stay in the EU.
Post by: VillaTim on August 11, 2023, 08:49:13 AM
The £32 wasn't the bit I was picking on. It was the tuning the nose up at watching certain players from our squad. £45m worth of players no less.Apologies , it was a somewhat childish post of mine . Though I really don't rate Olsen or Bailey . I quite like Dendonker though, solid enough CM.
I do think £32 is steep though for a qualifier
Post by: SaddVillan on August 11, 2023, 08:56:20 AM
Now that's a bargain.
Post by: Somniloquism on August 11, 2023, 09:07:41 AM
30 quid sounds fair enough.
Of course it is. Except for one person on here that will find raindrops of shit in every ray of sunshine.
Of course the key point he missed out was it was 15 quid for the worst view seats which probably account for a 1000-3000 seats in a stadium that hold 62500.
The majority which give the same views as our stands started at £33.
Post by: eamonn on August 11, 2023, 09:26:07 AM
Up here in the frozen North, Oldham Athletic are charging £24 to watch them in the Conference League.
Now that's a bargain.
Didn't the town lose its theatre recently?
Post by: Clampy on August 11, 2023, 09:52:52 AM
Up here in the frozen North, Oldham Athletic are charging £24 to watch them in the Conference League.
Now that's a bargain.
Didn't the town lose its theatre recently?
Thats a bit careless. How do you lose a building?
Post by: walsall villain on August 11, 2023, 10:04:52 AM
Crooked house disappeared overnight, it’s possible.Up here in the frozen North, Oldham Athletic are charging £24 to watch them in the Conference League.
Now that's a bargain.
Didn't the town lose its theatre recently?
Thats a bit careless. How do you lose a building?
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 11, 2023, 10:34:57 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on August 11, 2023, 11:04:03 AM
I think the prices are a bit high,I expected in the region of £1.50
😂
Try the Cambodian football league. I believe it was even cheaper than that 12 years ago.
Post by: tomd2103 on August 11, 2023, 11:10:33 AM
Post by: VillaTim on August 11, 2023, 11:22:18 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 11, 2023, 11:23:36 AM
What are Hibs fans like . Are they likely to dismantle the rest of Aston before they go home
They're human beings, like most of the people on here.
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 11, 2023, 11:27:19 AM
What are Hibs fans like . Are they likely to dismantle the rest of Aston before they go home
Most of them are Scottish, the majority from Edinburgh. There will be some you wouldn't want your daughter bringing home, some more who will be a bit loud but basically harmless and a lot more who will turn up, interact pleasantly with anyone who talks to them, support their team and go home. In other words they'll be like every other set of supporters who turn up at Villa Park.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on August 11, 2023, 11:34:36 AM
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Post by: Somniloquism on August 11, 2023, 11:57:17 AM
Just seen the pricing for the fixture on the club website. Seems like it is split into 'zones' and £32 is for 'Zone 1' tickets (halfway line Trinity Road). £30, £27 and £25 for other zones. £11 for kids.
It seems StoneyFlint is comparing prices for the cheapest few seats in West Ham against the most expensive ones in Villa park. Top trolling there.
The Viborg match (their qualifier) was £20 for limited view, £25, £30 and £40. They also had "1966" seats at £50 and £60. They ended up with 30k in a 62k stadium.
Post by: London Villan on August 11, 2023, 12:01:47 PM
Or are we going to unveil the 2022 lounge and claim we won the World Cup?
Post by: eamonn on August 11, 2023, 12:14:12 PM
What are Hibs fans like . Are they likely to dismantle the rest of Aston before they go home
They're human beings, like most of the people on here.
Of flesh and blood I'm made
Human, born to make mistakes
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 11, 2023, 12:14:30 PM
Hibs managed to drag a fair following of dicks with them to the pre season at Villa Park in 1989. CCS, I think they call themselves…
They did call themselves that (Capital City Service, which sounds quite sweet). They were pretty notorious back in the 80s/90s. I doubt they're still a going concern.
Post by: VillaTim on August 11, 2023, 01:22:17 PM
Sound more like a second tier hedge fundHibs managed to drag a fair following of dicks with them to the pre season at Villa Park in 1989. CCS, I think they call themselves…
They did call themselves that (Capital City Service, which sounds quite sweet). They were pretty notorious back in the 80s/90s. I doubt they're still a going concern.
Post by: spangley1812 on August 11, 2023, 04:36:14 PM
Aston Villa can confirm initial ticketing details for the away leg of the club’s UEFA Europa Conference League play-off round.
Villa will travel to either Scottish side Hibernian or FC Luzern of Switzerland in the first leg of their play-off tie, which is scheduled for Thursday, August 24.
The final line-up for the play-off round is nearing its completion, with Hibs and Luzern due to face each other in their third qualifying round second leg on August 17, when Villa will discover their opponent.
Full ticketing details, including prices and on-sale dates, will be released once the fixture is confirmed.
Sales criteria for away tickets will be the following:
i) 8+ years consecutive season ticket holder with 19 away league games from 2022/23 season
ii) Season ticket holder with 19 away league games from 2022/23 season
iii) Season ticket holder with 11+ away league games from 2022/23 season
iv) Season ticket holders
Supporters will be able to purchase tickets either by phone (0333 323 1874) or online at tickets.avfc.co.uk.
Each supporter who purchases a ticket will be required to complete a European Travel Form which details travel plans, time of arrival in the host country and accommodation details.
Once you have purchased your ticket and completed the travel form, a ticket eligibility voucher will be forwarded to you by email. You must bring a paper copy of this voucher with you to the host country, which will be exchanged for your ticket.
Your ticket(s) will be issued to you in the host country by Aston Villa staff and the address and collection details will be outlined on the ticket eligibility voucher.
Your numbered voucher along with driving licence and/or passport photo ID will be required to exchange for a match ticket. Tickets are strictly for personal use only, cannot be resold and are non-transferable.
All supporters will need to comply with our Europa Conference League Away Match policy, which includes an agreement to complete the European Travel Form no later than 48 hours prior to the fixture. If the form is not completed and submitted to the club, your ticket sale may be cancelled.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 11, 2023, 04:53:23 PM
Post by: olaftab on August 11, 2023, 05:03:27 PM
However I have seen films, read and heard many times those people being described as uncouth hordes who will stop at nothing to pillage and drink all the beer. My worry is that there in not much beer in Aston and not much left to pillage. :'(What are Hibs fans like . Are they likely to dismantle the rest of Aston before they go home
They're human beings, like most of the people on here.
Of flesh and blood I'm made
Human, born to make mistakes
Post by: trinityoap on August 11, 2023, 05:04:52 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 11, 2023, 05:06:11 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2023, 05:21:25 PM
Just seen the pricing for the fixture on the club website. Seems like it is split into 'zones' and £32 is for 'Zone 1' tickets (halfway line Trinity Road). £30, £27 and £25 for other zones. £11 for kids.
It seems StoneyFlint is comparing prices for the cheapest few seats in West Ham against the most expensive ones in Villa park. Top trolling there.
For once I think he'll be happy. I can't see him complaining at paying £11.
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 11, 2023, 05:47:09 PM
Wanting everyone's travel plans seems a tad excessive.Get coach to Edinburgh, get coach back to Birmingham, they should understand that I think
Post by: VillaTim on August 11, 2023, 05:55:33 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2023, 06:18:38 PM
Just seen the pricing for the fixture on the club website. Seems like it is split into 'zones' and £32 is for 'Zone 1' tickets (halfway line Trinity Road). £30, £27 and £25 for other zones. £11 for kids.
It seems StoneyFlint is comparing prices for the cheapest few seats in West Ham against the most expensive ones in Villa park. Top trolling there.
For once I think he'll be happy. I can't see him complaining at paying £11.
you naive, foolish man. It should be under 10 for kids. Won't you for once think of the working class child working in factories and as chimney sweeps?
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 11, 2023, 06:49:26 PM
Do you have to say which services you are stopping for a piss atno stopping allowed, plastic bottles included in cost of travel
Post by: Somniloquism on August 11, 2023, 09:56:54 PM
Wanting everyone's travel plans seems a tad excessive.
Another Brexit bonus maybe? West Ham were doing something similar as well and if the travel form wasn't completed, the tickets could be cancelled. I suspect the form means nothing for the Hibs match but want to get fans attuned that they need all that info for the next rounds.
Post by: Lsvilla on August 11, 2023, 10:07:49 PM
Not sure I'm totally accurate but seem to recall having to do this back in the day also ?
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 11, 2023, 10:12:53 PM
Wanting everyone's travel plans seems a tad excessive.
Uefa regulations, I believe. We're playing abroad.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 11, 2023, 10:19:55 PM
I don't see the problem. As someone who wants a fair crack at tickets why would anyone complain about these measures unless they are circumventing the system (ie: trying to jump the queue or manipulate their place at the front of it).
Yes, seems sensible to me too.
Post by: VillaTim on August 11, 2023, 10:23:28 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2023, 10:25:15 PM
Wanting everyone's travel plans seems a tad excessive.
Too right it does.
What the fuck has it got to do with them?
Post by: olaftab on August 11, 2023, 10:35:24 PM
Post by: olaftab on August 11, 2023, 10:37:40 PM
Not sure I'm totally accurate but seem to recall having to do this back in the day also ?I don't remember providing that info for the two trips to Vienna or to Hamburg or Prague the year before that.
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 11, 2023, 10:50:01 PM
The fact Villa seem to be doing both seems a bit over the top.
Post by: Somniloquism on August 11, 2023, 11:02:30 PM
We will know more in the Group stages as we have more time to plan for those.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 11, 2023, 11:57:41 PM
I don't see the problem. As someone who wants a fair crack at tickets why would anyone complain about these measures unless they are circumventing the system (ie: trying to jump the queue or manipulate their place at the front of it).
Not sure I'm totally accurate but seem to recall having to do this back in the day also ?
Hard to manipulate it when you have to do this once in the country you're visiting. But what the fuck does it have to do with the club what people are doing on what will be for many, a short holiday.
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Your numbered voucher along with driving licence and/or passport photo ID will be required to exchange for a match ticket. Tickets are strictly for personal use only, cannot be resold and are non-transferable.
Post by: Dave P on August 12, 2023, 10:01:05 AM
Post by: VillaTim on August 12, 2023, 10:36:42 AM
The ticketing thing is quite good. It stops fans buying cheap available tickets to go towards their booking history.It's a good idea, maybe they will widen it to EPL away games
Post by: john e on August 12, 2023, 10:43:54 AM
But I’m not against it, it helps makes sure people buying tickets are actually going
Post by: AV82EC on August 12, 2023, 11:50:34 AM
It’s certainly a bit of a rigmarole
But I’m not against it, it helps makes sure people buying tickets are actually going
Anything that helps other STHs get a bit of away history credit is a good thing. Whether it’ll get to season ticket holders for either Hibs or Lucerne is another thing.
Post by: VillaTim on August 12, 2023, 11:53:15 AM
Are the Terrace View 700 getting any of the tickets ???It’s certainly a bit of a rigmarole
But I’m not against it, it helps makes sure people buying tickets are actually going
Anything that helps other STHs get a bit of away history credit is a good thing. Whether it’ll get to season ticket holders for either Hibs or Lucerne is another thing.
Post by: DeKuip on August 12, 2023, 12:00:39 PM
Are the Terrace View 700 getting any of the tickets ???It’s certainly a bit of a rigmarole
But I’m not against it, it helps makes sure people buying tickets are actually going
Anything that helps other STHs get a bit of away history credit is a good thing. Whether it’ll get to season ticket holders for either Hibs or Lucerne is another thing.
Delivered to their hotels for an extra £100.
Post by: tomd2103 on August 14, 2023, 11:57:04 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 15, 2023, 12:09:24 AM
Are the Terrace View 700 getting any of the tickets ???It’s certainly a bit of a rigmarole
But I’m not against it, it helps makes sure people buying tickets are actually going
Anything that helps other STHs get a bit of away history credit is a good thing. Whether it’ll get to season ticket holders for either Hibs or Lucerne is another thing.
Delivered to their hotels for an extra £100 with a Pizzahut 'pineapple special' and a few grams of Columbia's finest.
FTFY
Post by: AV82EC on August 15, 2023, 06:33:12 AM
Went on the site earlier to get tickets for the second leg and there weren't many left. Are season ticket seats being held at this moment, as I guess we are looking at a sell out if not?Yep Season Ticket seats held until 21st.
Post by: DeKuip on August 15, 2023, 11:44:49 AM
Post by: Risso on August 15, 2023, 12:21:09 PM
Post by: DeKuip on August 15, 2023, 12:45:28 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 15, 2023, 01:00:43 PM
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A cup scheme will be made available to season ticket holders who wish to have their seat purchased automatically for each home cup match. If their usual seat is allocated to the opposition (due to competition rules) or the area is unavailable to purchase for a cup game then alternative seating will be offered.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/fans/fans-charter/ticketing/
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 15, 2023, 03:52:19 PM
Post by: Scratchins on August 15, 2023, 06:41:59 PM
I’m sure I ticked a cup scheme box on my season ticket renewal - probably imagined it then. Thanks.
You need to check your account to see if under alerts there is a ticket reserved for you to buy.
Post by: Pete3206 on August 15, 2023, 06:58:42 PM
Good prices for this, would like to think the group games would be priced similar if we get through.
Coming soon, Conference League 3 game bundle. £115. Save £5 on the match day prices.
Post by: olaftab on August 15, 2023, 07:07:08 PM
Post by: nordenvillain on August 16, 2023, 12:35:37 AM
I noted that away ticket information page stated that date of the tie is yet to be decided, is that because if it's Hibs it could be 23 rather than 24 August?I think you'll find that it's due to Hearts playing Rosenberg in the same competition. If they win the tie, then due to EUFA not allowing clubs within a 50-mile radius to each play at home on the same night, the Hibs v Villa game would be moved to the previous night.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 16, 2023, 07:04:17 AM
NopeI noted that away ticket information page stated that date of the tie is yet to be decided, is that because if it's Hibs it could be 23 rather than 24 August?I think you'll find that it's due to Hearts playing Rosenberg in the same competition. If they win the tie, then due to EUFA not allowing clubs within a 50-mile radius to each play at home on the same night, the Hibs v Villa game would be moved to the previous night.
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 16, 2023, 04:22:17 PM
Surely this is wrong?
Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 16, 2023, 04:38:12 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 16, 2023, 04:40:50 PM
Post by: Dave P on August 17, 2023, 08:00:37 PM
Post by: Dave P on August 17, 2023, 08:02:51 PM
Post by: john2710 on August 17, 2023, 08:30:23 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 17, 2023, 08:38:07 PM
If we play Hibs, I'm fairly confident their main tactic will be to kick us off the pitch.home game is now sold out
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 17, 2023, 09:15:05 PM
Post by: olaftab on August 17, 2023, 09:21:08 PM
Post by: olaftab on August 17, 2023, 09:32:07 PM
Lot of seats held back for season ticket holders will become available on 21/8.If we play Hibs, I'm fairly confident their main tactic will be to kick us off the pitch.home game is now sold out
Post by: Holte L2 on August 17, 2023, 09:35:44 PM
So are we playing Hibs on 23 or 24 next week?
Need to know asap really as I can do Hibs away on the Thursday but not on the Wednesday.
Post by: Des Little on August 17, 2023, 09:35:57 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 17, 2023, 09:37:24 PM
Being lazy here. What’s the deadline for STs to claim their seat?
Monday Aug. 21st, 5pm.
Post by: Des Little on August 17, 2023, 09:39:45 PM
Being lazy here. What’s the deadline for STs to claim their seat?
Monday Aug. 21st, 5pm.
Cheers
Post by: liam on August 17, 2023, 09:42:20 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2023, 09:54:36 PM
Well Hearts are through, and hibs are 2 goals to the good in injury time....so does that mean we are the wednesday?
I read somewhere that if both go through Hearts will move dates.
Post by: Ads on August 17, 2023, 09:58:46 PM
Post by: AV82EC on August 17, 2023, 10:09:44 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 17, 2023, 10:17:01 PM
Post by: exigo on August 17, 2023, 10:21:12 PM
Well Hearts are through, and hibs are 2 goals to the good in injury time....so does that mean we are the wednesday?
I read somewhere that if both go through Hearts will move dates.
UEFA rules state that the team who finished lower have to move, so it would be Hibs v us, presumably on the Wednesday. Unless the police interfere for some reason.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 17, 2023, 10:38:41 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 17, 2023, 10:39:40 PM
I hope we are the Thursday still as I've booked Wed-Fri and fancy a mooch about the day before. Not been up there since 2009.Gorgeous city
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2023, 10:40:29 PM
Pretty happy with that, will certainly attract a 40k crowd to VP. Just realised Lee Johnson is their manager, he got done here 5-0 with Bristol City in one of the championship seasons and then bizarrely moaned about us celebrating the goals too loudly or something so that will add a bit more amusement.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 17, 2023, 10:44:41 PM
Post by: olaftab on August 17, 2023, 10:54:07 PM
Post by: liam on August 17, 2023, 10:56:45 PM
It’s going to be on Wednesday.I've been brave/stupid and booked the train for wednesday now.....seems everyone is saying Wednesday
Post by: AV84 on August 17, 2023, 11:03:27 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 17, 2023, 11:07:29 PM
Home is Thurs 31st at 8pm.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 17, 2023, 11:08:35 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 17, 2023, 11:17:43 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2023, 11:21:52 PM
Away is Weds 23rd, 5.45pm kick off.
Home is Thurs 31st at 8pm.
Oh good, I can cancel my night off.
Post by: olaftab on August 17, 2023, 11:27:07 PM
Away is Weds 23rd, 5.45pm kick off.Fucking bollocks and double bollocks.
Home is Thurs 31st at 8pm.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 17, 2023, 11:35:17 PM
This is a great tie, really looking forward to it
Same here, the Joe Ward derby should be a cracker.
Post by: KevinGage on August 17, 2023, 11:36:38 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 17, 2023, 11:45:03 PM
Gonna be a special evening for SJM.And Joe Newell, massive Birmingham supporter
Post by: Axl Rose on August 18, 2023, 12:56:31 AM
Think it will be tough up there, though.
Post by: Holte L2 on August 18, 2023, 08:46:15 AM
Away is Weds 23rd, 5.45pm kick off.Fucking bollocks and double bollocks.
Home is Thurs 31st at 8pm.
Snap.
Away is Weds 23rd, 5.45pm kick off.Fucking bollocks and double bollocks.
Home is Thurs 31st at 8pm.
Snap. I can't do the Wednesday. I was able to go with it being the Thursday and I'm in the first sales criteria. Gutted.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 18, 2023, 09:24:38 AM
Edit: - to say I just noticed there is still a link for ST holders to reserve their seat, so not fully sold out yet then....
Post by: AV82EC on August 18, 2023, 09:25:45 AM
Post by: Ads on August 18, 2023, 09:26:26 AM
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 18, 2023, 09:26:34 AM
For the 1 millionth time, it’s not sold out as Season Ticket holders have until 5pm tonight to claim their seat.
Yes I spotted that when I went back just after posting!
Post by: AV82EC on August 18, 2023, 10:13:10 AM
For the 1 millionth time, it’s not sold out as Season Ticket holders have until 5pm tonight to claim their seat.
Yes I spotted that when I went back just after posting!
Sorry wasn’t having a go.
Post by: Martyn Smith on August 18, 2023, 10:49:24 AM
Away is Weds 23rd, 5.45pm kick off.Oh how come it's been moved to Wednesday? And why the hell 5.45 pm. How many Hibs fans won't be able to go now owing to not being able to knock off early?
Home is Thurs 31st at 8pm.
Post by: Ads on August 18, 2023, 10:51:15 AM
Post by: Nev on August 18, 2023, 10:52:22 AM
Away is Weds 23rd, 5.45pm kick off.Oh how come it's been moved to Wednesday? And why the hell 5.45 pm. How many Hibs fans won't be able to go now owing to not being able to knock off early?
Home is Thurs 31st at 8pm.
UEFA rules. Firstly two clubs cannot play within 50 miles of each other at the same time, and there are CL games on and other games are not allowed to be played at the same time hence the early KO.
Post by: Martyn Smith on August 18, 2023, 10:52:56 AM
And for anyone wondering why it's 5.45pm, UEFA don't allow Europa Conference League games to take place at the same time as UEFA Champions League games.
That is ridiculous and I can't see the point...oh wait, let me guess...*television*...fuck the attending support. Television...
Post by: eamonn on August 18, 2023, 10:54:15 AM
Post by: Nev on August 18, 2023, 10:55:46 AM
And for anyone wondering why it's 5.45pm, UEFA don't allow Europa Conference League games to take place at the same time as UEFA Champions League games.
That is ridiculous and I can't see the point...oh wait, let me guess...*television*...fuck the attending support. Television...
Of course it is, supporter consideration being bottom of the pile is hardly a new thing. We were all set for the away game until Hearts won last night.
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Post by: olaftab on August 18, 2023, 11:07:36 AM
Post by: DeKuip on August 18, 2023, 11:18:47 AM
My guess is Villa took the minimum to avoid having to having to extra staff up there to dish the tickets out on Weds.
Sod the fans as usual and any plans we had made to get there.
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 18, 2023, 11:25:51 AM
Post by: PGW on August 18, 2023, 11:25:53 AM
What a pathetic allocation that is, Hibs had that many in Switzerland last night.They only give small allocations in league games as well. Think this is pretty standard
My guess is Villa took the minimum to avoid having to having to extra staff up there to dish the tickets out on Weds.
Sod the fans as usual and any plans we had made to get there.
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 18, 2023, 11:27:29 AM
Post by: Lsvilla on August 18, 2023, 11:30:14 AM
5% minimum to away fans is the competition rule is it not ? Assume they'll sell theirs out easily.What a pathetic allocation that is, Hibs had that many in Switzerland last night.They only give small allocations in league games as well. Think this is pretty standard
My guess is Villa took the minimum to avoid having to having to extra staff up there to dish the tickets out on Weds.
Sod the fans as usual and any plans we had made to get there.
Post by: simon ward 50 on August 18, 2023, 11:33:00 AM
Is the away leg on TV anywhere?
Is my question as well!
Post by: Des Little on August 18, 2023, 11:35:14 AM
Post by: dorsetvillian on August 18, 2023, 11:40:06 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on August 18, 2023, 11:41:43 AM
Post by: Simon Page on August 18, 2023, 11:43:48 AM
Post by: dorsetvillian on August 18, 2023, 11:45:38 AM
Post by: VillaTim on August 18, 2023, 11:54:10 AM
They're all unemployed up there so KO time won't be an issueAway is Weds 23rd, 5.45pm kick off.Oh how come it's been moved to Wednesday? And why the hell 5.45 pm. How many Hibs fans won't be able to go now owing to not being able to knock off early?
Home is Thurs 31st at 8pm.
Post by: Gareth on August 18, 2023, 11:55:09 AM
What a pathetic allocation that is, Hibs had that many in Switzerland last night.
My guess is Villa took the minimum to avoid having to having to extra staff up there to dish the tickets out on Weds.
Sod the fans as usual and any plans we had made to get there.
Don’t think that will be anything like the case….they will fill the ground with their fans so that will be the allocation we are given
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on August 18, 2023, 11:58:48 AM
Their home leg was on BBC Scotland then at kick off it was available here on iPlayer.Is the away leg on TV anywhere?
Is my question as well!
Post by: VillaTim on August 18, 2023, 12:03:04 PM
Post by: olaftab on August 18, 2023, 12:04:34 PM
TNT, the channel formerly known as BT Sport will be showing it. There maybe others.Is the away leg on TV anywhere?
Is my question as well!
Post by: Martyn Smith on August 18, 2023, 12:05:29 PM
1. They are not happy about the kick off time, unsurprisingly
2. The general thought is that it'll be a matter of their keeping the score down, although the Newcastle result has buoyed them a little
Post by: olaftab on August 18, 2023, 12:08:11 PM
Why such a small allocation? Surely they'd want loads of us up there? For financial reasons etcYou would have thought so that people of a third world occupied colonial country would show a little bit less arrogance and be more compliant :D
Post by: DeKuip on August 18, 2023, 12:12:13 PM
I guess so I suppose, but I’m of a mindset lately where I have a very low opinion and lack of trust when it comes to anything our club does for fans. I have probably jumped to the wrong conclusion, we’ll see. But can you ever seeing us taking a larger allocation in Europe if it’s on offer when there’s no financial gain to the club to do so, just the inconvenience of handling it all?What a pathetic allocation that is, Hibs had that many in Switzerland last night.
My guess is Villa took the minimum to avoid having to having to extra staff up there to dish the tickets out on Weds.
Sod the fans as usual and any plans we had made to get there.
Don’t think that will be anything like the case….they will fill the ground with their fans so that will be the allocation we are given
Post by: Axl Rose on August 18, 2023, 12:26:15 PM
Why such a small allocation? Surely they'd want loads of us up there? For financial reasons etcYou would have thought so that people of a third world occupied colonial country would show a little bit less arrogance and be more compliant :D
Haha. Absolutely, mate!
Post by: Risso on August 18, 2023, 12:28:13 PM
Just taken a look at a couple of their forums
1. They are not happy about the kick off time, unsurprisingly
2. The general thought is that it'll be a matter of their keeping the score down, although the Newcastle result has buoyed them a little
Somebody should point them towards our recent cup record againt supposedly lesser teams. I'll be happy at this stage if we scrape through on away goals.
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 18, 2023, 12:29:47 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 18, 2023, 12:31:17 PM
Post by: Clampy on August 18, 2023, 12:34:02 PM
I feel physically sick.
Why?
Post by: eamonn on August 18, 2023, 12:35:28 PM
Post by: LeeB on August 18, 2023, 12:36:10 PM
Who would win between Stevenage and Hibs?
Football
Post by: pablo_picasso on August 18, 2023, 01:27:27 PM
Post by: Risso on August 18, 2023, 01:28:32 PM
Who would win between Stevenage and Hibs?
Football
It's the World Cup final of managers who are c***s.
Post by: simon ward 50 on August 18, 2023, 01:50:18 PM
:) :)Who would win between Stevenage and Hibs?
Football
It's the World Cup final of managers who are c***s.
Post by: VillaTim on August 18, 2023, 02:02:07 PM
Does make me chuckle that we wait an age for some European football at Villa & we end up not even having to leave the island... 😂and a ridiculous KO time when many people will be at work or commuting
Post by: Nev on August 18, 2023, 02:04:21 PM
Does make me chuckle that we wait an age for some European football at Villa & we end up not even having to leave the island... 😂and a ridiculous KO time when many people will be at work or commuting
And a standard KO time for UEFA competitions for some time now.....
Post by: john e on August 18, 2023, 02:06:48 PM
Does make me chuckle that we wait an age for some European football at Villa & we end up not even having to leave the island... 😂and a ridiculous KO time when many people will be at work or commuting
And a standard KO time for UEFA competitions for some time now.....
Yes get with the program Timbo
Post by: VillaTim on August 18, 2023, 02:17:44 PM
even so , it's still a ridiculous time to play professional footballDoes make me chuckle that we wait an age for some European football at Villa & we end up not even having to leave the island... 😂and a ridiculous KO time when many people will be at work or commuting
And a standard KO time for UEFA competitions for some time now.....
Post by: Ads on August 18, 2023, 03:01:27 PM
They're unallocated seating, so you cannot choose where you're sat.
Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 18, 2023, 03:19:11 PM
Just taken a look at a couple of their forums
1. They are not happy about the kick off time, unsurprisingly
2. The general thought is that it'll be a matter of their keeping the score down, although the Newcastle result has buoyed them a little
Somebody should point them towards our recent cup record againt supposedly lesser teams. I'll be happy at this stage if we scrape through on away goals.
This, all day long. No way will this tie be a walkover. We've lot against some right shit in the cups over the last 15 years, far worse teams than Hibs.
Post by: 85kota on August 18, 2023, 03:32:50 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 18, 2023, 03:50:46 PM
With only 1078 tickets available there is no chance that there will be any left at the end of day today. So no chance of a ticket for me however I can help someone with hotel and transport needs ;)
Some Hibs fans doubt they'll sell out and think they may yet increase our allocation, so don't cancel the travel plans just yet.
Post by: eamonn on August 18, 2023, 03:54:54 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 18, 2023, 03:59:08 PM
Why wouldn't they sell out to us? We've got McGinn...
Kick-off time mainly, others say it will definitely sell out because it's 'the Villa' coming to town*.
*They may actually just have said that it's their biggest game in years.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 18, 2023, 04:00:30 PM
Post by: Simon Page on August 18, 2023, 04:01:17 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 18, 2023, 04:04:29 PM
Their average attendance isn't far off capacity is it? Easter Road isn't exactly an enormodome.
17,500 in a 20k ground.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 18, 2023, 04:09:48 PM
Speaking of which, what are the thoughts on likely ticket availability for the home game?
Depends on whether you're planning on trying to get one through the #*!@ing app.
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 18, 2023, 05:48:55 PM
Post by: olaftab on August 18, 2023, 05:56:52 PM
Speaking of which, what are the thoughts on likely ticket availability for the home game?If you want one mate shout now?
Post by: VillaTim on August 18, 2023, 06:11:40 PM
Speaking of which, what are the thoughts on likely ticket availability for the home game?should be fine.
Post by: Pat McMahon on August 18, 2023, 06:42:53 PM
I guess so I suppose, but I’m of a mindset lately where I have a very low opinion and lack of trust when it comes to anything our club does for fans. I have probably jumped to the wrong conclusion, we’ll see. But can you ever seeing us taking a larger allocation in Europe if it’s on offer when there’s no financial gain to the club to do so, just the inconvenience of handling it all?What a pathetic allocation that is, Hibs had that many in Switzerland last night.
My guess is Villa took the minimum to avoid having to having to extra staff up there to dish the tickets out on Weds.
Sod the fans as usual and any plans we had made to get there.
Don’t think that will be anything like the case….they will fill the ground with their fans so that will be the allocation we are given
I've seen Steve Gough (been running independent travel to Villa games, including Europe, since the Boer war) on social media citing the same logic as you, mate. He claims Villa turned down a larger allocation and the extra paperwork was put forward as a reason.
Post by: Pat McMahon on August 18, 2023, 06:44:30 PM
Just taken a look at a couple of their forums
1. They are not happy about the kick off time, unsurprisingly
2. The general thought is that it'll be a matter of their keeping the score down, although the Newcastle result has buoyed them a little
Somebody should point them towards our recent cup record againt supposedly lesser teams. I'll be happy at this stage if we scrape through on away goals.
This, all day long. No way will this tie be a walkover. We've lot against some right shit in the cups over the last 15 years, far worse teams than Hibs.
I'm with Risso on this too. Hibs will be manically motivated for this tie
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 18, 2023, 07:15:53 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2023, 07:38:07 PM
Who, I believe, play in green and white? Them?
*shudder*
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 18, 2023, 07:43:05 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 18, 2023, 07:50:08 PM
Post by: Ads on August 18, 2023, 07:51:04 PM
Sockless dwarf.
Post by: rougegorge on August 18, 2023, 08:17:52 PM
Post by: Holte L2 on August 18, 2023, 08:20:45 PM
Any ideas how many away tickets are left after today? It isn't showing as sold out yet.
Around 118 I think
Post by: Ads on August 18, 2023, 09:41:41 PM
Any ideas how many away tickets are left after today? It isn't showing as sold out yet.
There's no way of checking, as when you purchase, you didn't get the chance to choose your seat. Could be upper or lower tier, no clue.
The allocation is effectively the same as Bournemouth, so with some not being able to go, you'd think there would be a couple hundred left.
Post by: Lsvilla on August 18, 2023, 09:55:20 PM
It's the hope that kills youAny ideas how many away tickets are left after today? It isn't showing as sold out yet.
There's no way of checking, as when you purchase, you didn't get the chance to choose your seat. Could be upper or lower tier, no clue.
The allocation is effectively the same as Bournemouth, so with some not being able to go, you'd think there would be a couple hundred left.
Post by: Ads on August 18, 2023, 09:58:00 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 18, 2023, 10:19:33 PM
It's not fair that Hibbs will have fans behind both goals.
Sockless dwarf.
It's Hibs. Hibs. Hibs! HIBS!*
*Unless I'm missing some kind of in-joke, in which case it's not funny and you ought to be ashamed of yourself.
Post by: rougegorge on August 18, 2023, 10:29:55 PM
I tell a lie, there's 178 seats left.Thank you. That will be a mad rush lottery tomorrow then
Post by: olaftab on August 18, 2023, 10:37:45 PM
Post above confirms that Ads is a liar so no need to get a b in your bonnet.It's not fair that Hibbs will have fans behind both goals.
Sockless dwarf.
It's Hibs. Hibs. Hibs! HIBS!*
*Unless I'm missing some kind of in-joke, in which case it's not funny and you ought to be ashamed of yourself.
Post by: Ads on August 18, 2023, 10:46:04 PM
In terms of tickets, good luck tomorrow gents.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 18, 2023, 10:55:31 PM
*The niece loves Edinburgh after we took her there about 4 years ago. She's already decided it's where she wants to go to uni. So I've gotta take her too as she's invited herself.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 19, 2023, 12:57:40 AM
I feel physically sick.
Why?
Risso’s post and our history Clamps. Maybe you can help me relax.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 19, 2023, 01:03:07 AM
That should cheer you up.
Post by: Ads on August 19, 2023, 01:15:12 AM
Post by: algy on August 19, 2023, 06:40:50 AM
Fuck it, I'm going anyway. I promised the lad I'd take him wherever our first game was, tickets or not, so in some ways it's a blessing it's 'only' Edinburgh*, but in others it's a waste of school holidays to not be trying to make our way across Kazakhstan or some such outpost.Ha, I was the same. First visited Edinburgh when I was 12, was going up on my own at 16. I absolutely loved the place (still do). Moved there for uni as soon as I could.
*The niece loves Edinburgh after we took her there about 4 years ago. She's already decided it's where she wants to go to uni. So I've gotta take her too as she's invited herself.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 19, 2023, 08:52:32 AM
Not showing on TNT TV schedule as yet.
Spurs supporting friend of mine said the play off round when they were in it wasn't televised on BT but some random channel instead. I was kind of hoping it might be BBC Scotland like their last home leg.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 19, 2023, 09:42:29 AM
Post by: Rigadon on August 19, 2023, 09:47:35 AM
Post by: AV82EC on August 19, 2023, 09:50:56 AM
Hibs any good these days??
Short arse Johnson being their Manager ought to tell you all you need to know.
Post by: olaftab on August 19, 2023, 09:51:22 AM
Not showing on TNT TV schedule as yet.TNT would want a deal agreed with both clubs for two legs so may be having a little difficulty tiding that up.
Post by: Dave on August 19, 2023, 09:52:23 AM
Can’t see an outright market for the conference league on Bet365, would this be available once the qualifiers are complete?
Oddschecker has one company offering an outright winner, and we're the only one they're offering odds on - 3/1 to win the competition.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 19, 2023, 09:54:41 AM
Can’t see an outright market for the conference league on Bet365, would this be available once the qualifiers are complete?
Oddschecker has one company offering an outright winner, and we're the only one they're offering odds on - 3/1 to win the competition.
Cheers, hardly flying under the radar then!
Post by: rougegorge on August 19, 2023, 09:58:12 AM
Sold out before the 10am window opened todayI tell a lie, there's 178 seats left.Thank you. That will be a mad rush lottery tomorrow then
Post by: DerbyVillian on August 19, 2023, 10:02:18 AM
Post by: Pete3206 on August 19, 2023, 08:44:56 PM
Post by: Dave P on August 20, 2023, 08:24:47 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on August 20, 2023, 08:46:56 AM
I can't believe this isn't going to be televised.
If I wake/stay up for it mate, I'll send you a stream
Post by: Pete3206 on August 20, 2023, 09:40:27 AM
I can't believe this isn't going to be televised.
If I wake/stay up for it mate, I'll send you a stream
Cheers mate.
Post by: Martyn Smith on August 21, 2023, 01:54:09 PM
Post by: Martyn Smith on August 21, 2023, 01:56:35 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on August 21, 2023, 02:10:01 PM
The thinking there seems to be that someone somewhere will pick this up for TV. Just seems unreal that a home nations tie is going to remain on the shelf...
It’s on BBC Scotland.
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on August 21, 2023, 03:13:10 PM
And iPlayer in England!The thinking there seems to be that someone somewhere will pick this up for TV. Just seems unreal that a home nations tie is going to remain on the shelf...
It’s on BBC Scotland.
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 21, 2023, 04:21:32 PM
Astonvilla82 and myself are both on the HibeesBounce fanzine site at the mo. Friendly lot. Only been called a stupid brummie prick once, which is a pleasant surprise...wife calls me that once a week
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 21, 2023, 06:39:28 PM
Astonvilla82 and myself are both on the HibeesBounce fanzine site at the mo. Friendly lot. Only been called a stupid brummie prick once, which is a pleasant surprise...
I assume you haven't found their 'Off Topic' section then.
Post by: Somniloquism on August 21, 2023, 07:00:38 PM
Astonvilla82 and myself are both on the HibeesBounce fanzine site at the mo. Friendly lot. Only been called a stupid brummie prick once, which is a pleasant surprise...
I assume you haven't found their 'Off Topic' section then.
I think he might have posted one of his "jokes".
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 21, 2023, 08:33:41 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 21, 2023, 08:43:02 PM
https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?363486-VILLA-Away-Purchased
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 21, 2023, 08:58:40 PM
Fair few Hibs fans claiming to have bought tickets in the home end, i'm suspecting most are talking bollocks.Quoted on another Hibs website as well.
https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?363486-VILLA-Away-Purchased
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 21, 2023, 09:02:35 PM
Post by: Gareth on August 21, 2023, 11:35:45 PM
Tickets are moving fast for the home game. There's fewer than a hundred available in the UT. And that's with the released ones from STHs that didn't take up the offer. I've bagged the seat of my neighbour for my nipper.
Purely for nostalgia I have to say ITS A DISGRACE!! Could sell them for £2.50 each to the working classes
Post by: trinityoap on August 21, 2023, 11:56:51 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 22, 2023, 12:04:25 AM
Fair few Hibs fans claiming to have bought tickets in the home end, i'm suspecting most are talking bollocks.
https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?363486-VILLA-Away-Purchased
I don't think they are, having read the thread it all seems pretty genuine.
Post by: German James on August 22, 2023, 12:34:49 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 22, 2023, 02:40:08 AM
Post by: Martyn Smith on August 22, 2023, 05:25:35 AM
And iPlayer in England!The thinking there seems to be that someone somewhere will pick this up for TV. Just seems unreal that a home nations tie is going to remain on the shelf...
It’s on BBC Scotland.
That'll do me, thanks 😊
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 22, 2023, 05:58:18 AM
£2.50? absolutely disgusting price I wouldn't pay that when I can stand on Aston Park and listen to the roar of the crowd for nothingTickets are moving fast for the home game. There's fewer than a hundred available in the UT. And that's with the released ones from STHs that didn't take up the offer. I've bagged the seat of my neighbour for my nipper.
Purely for nostalgia I have to say ITS A DISGRACE!! Could sell them for £2.50 each to the working classes
Post by: dorsetvillian on August 22, 2023, 08:29:16 AM
Post by: stevo_st on August 22, 2023, 09:16:50 AM
Post by: LeeB on August 22, 2023, 09:24:15 AM
Does anyone know if you can park in powerleague car park for evening games?
I doubt it as it's in use at that time
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2023, 10:01:24 AM
Fair few Hibs fans claiming to have bought tickets in the home end, i'm suspecting most are talking bollocks.
https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?363486-VILLA-Away-Purchased
I don't think they are, having read the thread it all seems pretty genuine.
Yeah I posted it while I was reading the first page,, reading more of it does seem legit. It does beg the question of how is it so easy for them to register and buy tickets.
Post by: Richard on August 22, 2023, 10:25:23 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on August 22, 2023, 10:38:49 AM
Post by: Ads on August 22, 2023, 10:41:30 AM
Post by: olaftab on August 22, 2023, 10:42:20 AM
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 22, 2023, 10:46:57 AM
Does anyone know if you can park in powerleague car park for evening games?
Up until recently i was playing 5 a side every Wednesday and before that Thursdays at the powerleague and it was hard enough getting parked just for that. Given that I’d say theres no chance of parking for Villa being available.
Post by: Nelly on August 22, 2023, 10:53:12 AM
Post by: danno on August 22, 2023, 11:29:29 AM
This season for example it’s only the Arsenal Liverpool Man Utd and Wolves fixtures that require previous booking history.
Post by: Ger Regan on August 22, 2023, 11:47:32 AM
Post by: amfy on August 22, 2023, 11:52:46 AM
Post by: Ads on August 22, 2023, 11:58:04 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2023, 12:24:55 PM
Surprising that it was so easy for so many of them to buy tickets in the Villa ends. I wonder what was different about this game that allowed it.
Not a given that they’llget away with it.
Friend of mine bought a home end ticket at Derby.
Sale went through then shortly before the match they cancelled it as they’d cross referenced his details with Villa and knew he was a ST holder.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 22, 2023, 12:33:27 PM
Post by: DeKuip on August 22, 2023, 12:55:28 PM
Do you just get an e-ticket when purchasing singles? If so whats to stop just using a Bham address for the account and then getting the e-ticket through?Would you not have to put the address that your bank card is registered to? I’m never sure and have been successful getting tickets in home ends several times using my proper address, but West Ham phoned me up to tell me they’d have to cancel a booking a couple of seasons ago (yet will let me buy for any other opponent should I want to) and Burton Albion’s system, despite me having a reference with them for going to 2 or 3 of their league games in each of the last 3 seasons, wouldn’t let me buy from them when Villa U21s played there because I have a Birmingham postcode, so got them through Villa.
Post by: olaftab on August 22, 2023, 01:56:02 PM
One there seems to be saying he’s got a ticket in the Villa end at Easter Road. Surely not? Most of us can’t get one of those!That is on par with blue noses taking over Holte End.
Post by: NatP on August 22, 2023, 02:10:18 PM
Not bought a ticket under my ID since the Championship days and had to reactivate my account so its fair enough I guess. Does feel like Villa gone from one extreme to the other if it was initially on general sale though.
Post by: AV84 on August 22, 2023, 02:46:43 PM
Has that always been there or is it a reaction to Hibs fans?
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 22, 2023, 02:56:54 PM
Went onto the ticket sales just out of interest and there's a message in big writing at the top of the page saying something like THESE TICKETS ARE FOR ASTON VILLA FANS ONLY!I checked yesterday and didn't see the message
Has that always been there or is it a reaction to Hibs fans?
Post by: Scratchins on August 22, 2023, 03:25:59 PM
UEFA Conference League Play Off
Aston Villa v Hibernian
UEFA Conference League Play Off
Villa Park
Last tickets
31 Aug 2023
Thu 20:00Buy
PLEASE NOTE DATE AND TIME OF THE MATCH ARE TBC
On Sale Dates:
Season Ticket holders - Online from 10 August 5pm - Phone from 11 August 10am
Claret, Villan and Cub Members - Online from 14 August 5pm - Phone from 15 August 10am
General Sale- Online from 21 August 5pm - Phone from 22 August 10am
Post by: VillaTim on August 22, 2023, 03:52:16 PM
Post by: frank black on August 22, 2023, 04:05:41 PM
Would they be physically attacked in the Villa end, though?
In my experience only if they score and celebrate
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 22, 2023, 04:16:13 PM
So next week if you find yourself sat next to a very pale, silent ginger you'll know
Sounds like me as kid (I was never one for making any noise as too shy plus autistic). Still can't join in chanting even at nearly 50! No hair these days though.
Post by: London Villan on August 22, 2023, 04:21:30 PM
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 22, 2023, 04:44:45 PM
One there seems to be saying he’s got a ticket in the Villa end at Easter Road. Surely not? Most of us can’t get one of those!I'd guess that this complete and utter bo**ux.
Those few of us who qualify for a ticket tomorrow only found out how to collect our tickets this afternoon....and photo id is required!
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 22, 2023, 04:53:31 PM
So next week if you find yourself sat next to a very pale, silent ginger you'll know
Quite a few celts down the Villa, included myself, could describe a number of us.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 22, 2023, 04:57:48 PM
Went onto the ticket sales just out of interest and there's a message in big writing at the top of the page saying something like THESE TICKETS ARE FOR ASTON VILLA FANS ONLY!
Has that always been there or is it a reaction to Hibs fans?
It's always been there.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 22, 2023, 05:16:34 PM
Seems harsh enough to me as it doesn't feel like the sort of game that would result in trouble. There've been plenty of instances of villa fans having bought in home sections.
I think odd ones here and there (including an Edinburgh dwelling mate of mine tomorrow) are always going to happen and can be tolerated on the understanding they respectfully keep their mouth shut. As soon as you get groups of away fans in home ends it will embolden them and likely lead to aggro.
Post by: olaftab on August 22, 2023, 05:25:01 PM
Would they be physically attacked in the Villa end, though?I hope not. I hope we are better than that as they are from "Europe" and not our League rivals but there are some ****** who frequent Villa Park wearing our colours.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2023, 05:25:28 PM
Post by: Clampy on August 22, 2023, 05:33:51 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 22, 2023, 05:34:40 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 22, 2023, 05:38:48 PM
Glad i'll be at home on the couch
Post by: Ads on August 22, 2023, 05:46:49 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 22, 2023, 05:52:02 PM
The pick up is Biddy Mulligans which is 2 miles from the ground and a 14 minute walk.
I think you need to check Maps again
Post by: VillaTim on August 22, 2023, 05:53:47 PM
The pick up is Biddy Mulligans which is 2 miles from the ground and a 14 minute walk.the official message from Villa says 35 min walk
Post by: Ads on August 22, 2023, 05:56:46 PM
I'm not sure why it's a palava. In Prague, Hamburg Odense, Madrid etc etc, you didn't drink by the ground, but in the city/town centres. Given this place appears 10 minutes away from most of the hotels (9 for mine) I'm not sure I get the issue, especially when it doesn't effect him.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 22, 2023, 05:57:56 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 22, 2023, 05:59:43 PM
What time's the window for collection?10am - 4pm
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 22, 2023, 06:01:44 PM
So next week if you find yourself sat next to a very pale, silent ginger you'll know
Quite a few celts down the Villa, included myself, could describe a number of us.
Not me, I'm not the silent type.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 22, 2023, 06:02:12 PM
Post by: Ads on August 22, 2023, 06:03:39 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 22, 2023, 06:05:42 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 22, 2023, 06:10:09 PM
Lee Johnson is a little ******He'll be in the 4th officials ear all game
Post by: LeeB on August 22, 2023, 06:26:10 PM
Lee Johnson is a little ******He'll be in the 4th officials ear all game
Does he have a step ladder?
Post by: Ads on August 22, 2023, 06:37:56 PM
Post by: Ads on August 22, 2023, 07:11:49 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 22, 2023, 07:24:12 PM
Oh yeah looked at the taxi bloke instead of the walking chap.
If you were hoping to spot Alex Cropley I think he retired a few years back. It was always on my bucket list to share a cab ride with Alex driving. Another was to call in at Deacy's in Galway and meet the great man himself.
Post by: olaftab on August 22, 2023, 08:26:51 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2023, 08:29:01 PM
Biddy is in Grassmarket so most fans will be there or thereabouts during the day.
Hi Steve
Post by: olaftab on August 22, 2023, 08:29:41 PM
The pick up is Biddy Mulligans which is 2 miles from the ground and a 14 minute walk.2 miles in 14 mins? Are you Seb Coe in disguise?
Post by: olaftab on August 22, 2023, 08:30:50 PM
Just roll your sleeves up and get on with it as it is what it is.Biddy is in Grassmarket so most fans will be there or thereabouts during the day.
Hi Steve
Post by: Smirker on August 22, 2023, 08:35:17 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2023, 08:49:32 PM
We're favourites to win the whole competition at 3/1.
We might as well get a trophy replica made and ready to go in that display cabinet in the tunnel area.
Post by: Steve67 on August 22, 2023, 08:51:55 PM
Biddy is in Grassmarket so most fans will be there or thereabouts during the day.
Hi Steve
Hello!
Post by: VillaTim on August 22, 2023, 08:56:53 PM
wor tulips will be shooting upJust roll your sleeves up and get on with it as it is what it is.Biddy is in Grassmarket so most fans will be there or thereabouts during the day.
Hi Steve
Post by: Smirker on August 22, 2023, 09:50:23 PM
We're favourites to win the whole competition at 3/1.
We might as well get a trophy replica made and ready to go in that display cabinet in the tunnel area.
Agree mate.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 22, 2023, 09:54:56 PM
We're favourites to win the whole competition at 3/1.
We might as well get a trophy replica made and ready to go in that display cabinet in the tunnel area.
Does anyone know when the victory parade in Brum will be? I want to make sure I get a flight back from Athens in time for it.
Post by: olaftab on August 22, 2023, 10:19:26 PM
It’s shocking that you have not booked the flight so far. I thought you were booked on the same BA first class flight as myself🤦🏾We're favourites to win the whole competition at 3/1.
We might as well get a trophy replica made and ready to go in that display cabinet in the tunnel area.
Does anyone know when the victory parade in Brum will be? I want to make sure I get a flight back from Athens in time for it.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 22, 2023, 10:39:54 PM
We're favourites to win the whole competition at 3/1.
We might as well get a trophy replica made and ready to go in that display cabinet in the tunnel area.
Does anyone know when the victory parade in Brum will be? I want to make sure I get a flight back from Athens in time for it.
It’s shocking that you have not booked the flight so far. I thought you were booked on the same BA first class flight as myself🤦🏾
Unfortunately, BA don't offer first class on their intra-Europe flights. Mind you, with the way their product has declined, some might say they don't offer it anywhere.
Post by: olaftab on August 22, 2023, 10:53:28 PM
Unfortunately, BA don't offer first class on their intra-Europe flights. Mind you, with the way their product has declined, some might say they don't offer it anywhere.I must say I found their last few business class flights to China/S Korea very disappointing. Tatty old aircrafts with unimaginative service. Emirates and Cathay are wiping the floor with them.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 22, 2023, 11:09:25 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2023, 11:26:12 AM
https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?363486-VILLA-Away-Purchased/page7
Post by: Smithy on August 23, 2023, 11:41:25 AM
Villa are now cancelling tickets bought by Hibs fans.
https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?363486-VILLA-Away-Purchased/page7
There will still be plenty still dotted around unless they are literally cancelling every single ticket bought without a purchase history? I'm sure plenty of Hibs fans will have ordered tickets with non-Edinburgh postcodes. I worked with a Hibs fan for years in Brum, I'm sure he's tried to get a ticket.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2023, 11:44:09 AM
Quote
Dear Ticket Purchaser for the Aston Villa v Hibernian F.C. Match,
We wish to inform you that it is against the ground regulations of Aston Villa Football Club to allow away supporters into home areas.
To ensure the safety of all fans attending the game, we have received credible information regarding Hibernian supporters who have acquired tickets intended for home supporters. As a result, we have taken immediate action.
Tickets purchased by individuals without a previous booking history with Aston Villa Football Club and who we believe to be Hibernian supporters will be returned and a refund will be provided. Additionally, individuals without a booking history will be ineligible to purchase tickets for this fixture.
The electronic tickets you have received will not grant you, or any other supporter, access to Villa Park on Thursday 31st August 2023. Should any visiting club supporters attempt to enter home areas of the ground, they will be immediately reported to police.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Kind Regards,
Aston Villa Ticket Office
Post by: PeterWithe on August 23, 2023, 11:47:52 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 23, 2023, 10:48:36 PM
Post by: AV84 on August 23, 2023, 11:24:04 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 23, 2023, 11:29:14 PM
We don’t want to look small time by allowing any away fcukers in home areas. Surely with our ‘33000’ waiting list we can fill the ground for this one?Only 2 tickets left according to the Villa website
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 23, 2023, 11:31:12 PM
Are the working classes going to pay £30 to see a dead rubber?
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 23, 2023, 11:32:47 PM
I’m not going but always good to chat with decent away fans as long as they behave themselves, and you can understand them. Doubt there would have been mither but can’t blame the club for being totally risk averse.It only takes one idiot from either side and you got problems
Post by: Dave P on August 24, 2023, 07:16:13 AM
and you can understand them
Rules out the Scots then 😉
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 24, 2023, 08:29:06 AM
Villa will get nearly €3M for qualifying for the Group Stage.
Another €500K for every win, with €166K for a draw.
€650K for topping the group, or €325K if you finish second.
Post by: AV82EC on August 24, 2023, 08:44:44 AM
Post by: AV84 on August 24, 2023, 08:45:51 AM
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 24, 2023, 09:32:20 AM
it's fully booked up by Birmingham City till next year because of the ground improvements, buying a player over £10000,big bright shining badge on the stadium, getting a crowd of over 12000 and having a waiting list of 20 million for season tickets, but more importantly there is extra overtime shifts at the Longbridge,in other words we are completely f**kedWe're favourites to win the whole competition at 3/1.
We might as well get a trophy replica made and ready to go in that display cabinet in the tunnel area.
Does anyone know when the victory parade in Brum will be? I want to make sure I get a flight back from Athens in time for it.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 24, 2023, 12:17:43 PM
Post by: London Villan on August 24, 2023, 12:19:56 PM
Post by: Gareth on August 24, 2023, 12:20:39 PM
When is the draw for the group stages?
Next Friday…seeds announced in the morning, draw from 1.30pm
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 24, 2023, 12:20:40 PM
When is the draw for the group stages?
Us and that's about it for now
Post by: AV82EC on August 24, 2023, 12:20:58 PM
When is the draw for the group stages?
Friday 1st Sept
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 24, 2023, 12:21:24 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 24, 2023, 12:21:54 PM
Post by: London Villan on August 24, 2023, 12:44:46 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 24, 2023, 05:32:20 PM
Thanks for the date. Looking at the fixtures, there are some well-known names in the draw.
I was looking at that the other day and there’s some big teams with a lot more recent European experience than we have…Dynamo Kyiv, Besiktas, Fenerbahce, Frankfurt then some smaller teams but still with the Euro experience like Lille, Twente and Bruges.
Post by: tomd2103 on August 24, 2023, 06:10:20 PM
it's fully booked up by Birmingham City till next year because of the ground improvements, buying a player over £10000,big bright shining badge on the stadium, getting a crowd of over 12000 and having a waiting list of 20 million for season tickets, but more importantly there is extra overtime shifts at the Longbridge,in other words we are completely f**kedWe're favourites to win the whole competition at 3/1.
We might as well get a trophy replica made and ready to go in that display cabinet in the tunnel area.
Does anyone know when the victory parade in Brum will be? I want to make sure I get a flight back from Athens in time for it.
You missed out their perennial 'Brew XI most fans drinking in town trophy' celebration.
Post by: trinityoap on August 24, 2023, 06:47:35 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 24, 2023, 06:57:46 PM
Hope we don't draw Bruges. It would be pretty scary over there with all those bluse fans about.
Plus we’d need to take more than the 10k that they supposedly took over or they’ll be putting that on their honours list as well.
Post by: VillaTim on August 24, 2023, 07:08:39 PM
When is the draw for the group stages?I hope the draw is as thrilling and fascinating as the last one . UEFA really know how to turn on the razz-ma-tazz
Post by: Somniloquism on August 24, 2023, 09:06:29 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 24, 2023, 09:12:44 PM
memory not as good it was, can't remember even winning the European Cup in 1982it's fully booked up by Birmingham City till next year because of the ground improvements, buying a player over £10000,big bright shining badge on the stadium, getting a crowd of over 12000 and having a waiting list of 20 million for season tickets, but more importantly there is extra overtime shifts at the Longbridge,in other words we are completely f**kedWe're favourites to win the whole competition at 3/1.
We might as well get a trophy replica made and ready to go in that display cabinet in the tunnel area.
Does anyone know when the victory parade in Brum will be? I want to make sure I get a flight back from Athens in time for it.
You missed out their perennial 'Brew XI most fans drinking in town trophy' celebration.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 24, 2023, 09:35:12 PM
Hope we don't draw Bruges. It would be pretty scary over there with all those bluse fans about.
Whatever amount we brought over to that game if it should happen it would be nowhere near the amount they managed even if it was twice as many.
Post by: algy on August 24, 2023, 09:41:46 PM
Is there a chance we could draw Hearts in the group stages or are they in a separate pot for some reason?Yep, from how I understand it there's a 1 in 4 chance of drawing Hearts in the next round, assuming both us & them get through
Post by: DeKuip on August 24, 2023, 09:46:43 PM
Looking at tonight’s scores we won’t be playing Twente. Or Ajax, in the group stage anyway. I fancied Alkmaar to be our biggest threat but they’ve not had a good home leg tonight.Thanks for the date. Looking at the fixtures, there are some well-known names in the draw.
I was looking at that the other day and there’s some big teams with a lot more recent European experience than we have…Dynamo Kyiv, Besiktas, Fenerbahce, Frankfurt then some smaller teams but still with the Euro experience like Lille, Twente and Bruges.
Post by: olaftab on August 24, 2023, 09:47:24 PM
Post by: DeKuip on August 24, 2023, 10:26:30 PM
1 in 8 isn’t it. 8 groups.Is there a chance we could draw Hearts in the group stages or are they in a separate pot for some reason?Yep, from how I understand it there's a 1 in 4 chance of drawing Hearts in the next round, assuming both us & them get through
Post by: tomd2103 on August 24, 2023, 11:11:37 PM
Is there a chance we could draw Hearts in the group stages or are they in a separate pot for some reason?Yep, from how I understand it there's a 1 in 4 chance of drawing Hearts in the next round, assuming both us & them get through
I'm sure they said in commentary last night that Aberdeen could be in the Conference League group stage if they lose their Europa League play off.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 24, 2023, 11:19:00 PM
I'm sure they said in commentary last night that Aberdeen could be in the Conference League group stage if they lose their Europa League play off.
That sounds right. There will be 22 winners in the Conference League play-off round, and they will be joined by the 10 losers of the Europa League play-off round to make up the 32 teams in the Conference League group stages.
Post by: KNVillan on August 27, 2023, 01:12:03 PM
https://x.com/skysportsnews/status/1695770339945464295?s=61&t=0hDYp8sAC4KCDeo1iQp4OQ
Post by: Dave P on August 27, 2023, 01:23:07 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 27, 2023, 01:27:17 PM
Spoilsports!
Looks like the tweet has been deleted so there's still a chance. :)
Post by: paul_e on August 27, 2023, 01:34:16 PM
Spoilsports!
Looks like the tweet has been deleted so there's still a chance. :)
Nah, hibs have tweeted it themselves.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 27, 2023, 01:39:51 PM
Spoilsports!
Looks like the tweet has been deleted so there's still a chance. :)
Nah, hibs have tweeted it themselves.
No surprise, not many managers have lost to Villa and Livingston in the same week and kept their job.
Post by: AV82EC on August 31, 2023, 10:07:54 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 31, 2023, 10:09:13 PM
Post by: AV82EC on August 31, 2023, 10:12:07 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on August 31, 2023, 10:27:25 PM
Germany Eintracht Frankfurt CC: 77.000
Croatia Dinamo Zagreb CC: 55.000
Belgium Club Brugge CC: 54.000
Netherlands AZ CC: 47.500
Belgium Gent CC: 37.500
Turkey Fenerbahçe CC: 30.000
France Lille CC: 30.000
Hungary Ferencváros CC: 27.000
Pot 2
Greece PAOK CC: 25.000
Slovakia Slovan Bratislava CC: 24.500
Israel Maccabi Tel Aviv CC: 24.000
Czech Republic Viktoria Plzeň CC: 22.000
England Aston Villa CC: 21.914
Bulgaria Ludogorets Razgrad CC: 21.000
Italy Fiorentina CC: 20.000
Pot 2 or 3
Norway Bodø/Glimt CC: 20.000
Pot 3
Belgium Genk CC: 18.000
Ukraine Zorya Luhansk CC: 16.000
Kazakhstan Astana CC: 14.000
Turkey Beşiktaş CC: 14.000
Finland HJK CC: 11.000
Slovakia Spartak Trnava CC: 10.500
Slovenia Olimpija Ljubljana CC: 9.000
Pot 4
Bosnia and Herzegovina Zrinjski Mostar CC: 8.500
Faroe Islands KÍ CC: 8.000
Sweden [[Hacken] CC: 8.000
Serbia Čukarički CC: 6.475
Switzerland Lugano CC: 6.335
Iceland Breiðablik CC: 6.000
Denmark Nordsjælland CC: 5.565
Kosovo Ballkani CC: 3.000
Quote
The draw for the group stage will be held on 1 September 2023. The 32 teams will be drawn into eight groups of four. For the draw, the teams will be seeded into four pots, each of eight teams, based on their Club coefficients (CC).[20] Teams from the same association and, for political reasons, teams from Serbia and Kosovo could not be drawn into the same group.
Breiðablik, Čukarički, KÍ, Olimpija Ljubljana and Zrinjski Mostar will make their debut appearances in a UEFA competition group stage. Breiðablik, KÍ and Zrinjski Mostar will be the first teams from Iceland, the Faroe Islands and Bosnia and Herzegovina, respectively, to play in a UEFA competition group stage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2%80%9324_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League
Post by: Somniloquism on August 31, 2023, 10:33:45 PM
Anyway,
Lille, Genk and KI are the ones I would want.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 31, 2023, 10:41:11 PM
Post by: AV82EC on August 31, 2023, 10:44:51 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on August 31, 2023, 11:07:00 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2%80%9324_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League
Post by: Small Rodent on August 31, 2023, 11:17:47 PM
10 hour flight…5 hour flight over Europe, 5 hour flight over Kazakh!!! It’s huge.
If we get Astana and you can afford it, it will be a once in a lifetime experience.
In Almaty it was no different than being in many Eastern Europe cities. Bars trying to be “Western” and the old Architecture was very 30s/40s/50s apartments.
Post by: rougegorge on August 31, 2023, 11:27:32 PM
Ferencvaros
HJK Helsinki
Breidablik
The toughest could be:
Eintracht Frankfurt
Besiktas
Nordsjaelland
Post by: tomd2103 on August 31, 2023, 11:51:44 PM
Post by: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 11:55:36 PM
Aren't Aberdeen in it?
They're in pot4, I think. Hacken are the Swedish team they lost to tonight, so they shouldn't be there.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 01, 2023, 07:27:16 AM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 01, 2023, 08:15:43 AM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 08:22:08 AM
Would like to visit Zagreb but their fans are bell endsAmazing place. I went in 2010.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on September 01, 2023, 09:02:09 AM
Post by: AV82EC on September 01, 2023, 09:02:42 AM
Don't know if I've missed it, but there doesn't seem to be a Spanish team in the draw. Anyone know why?
Osasuna got knocked out by Bruges.
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2023, 09:25:40 AM
Would like to visit Zagreb but their fans are bell endsAmazing place. I went in 2010.
Wonderful place, I've been twice.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 09:27:54 AM
Would like to visit Zagreb but their fans are bell endsAmazing place. I went in 2010.
Wonderful place, I've been twice.
The amount of good looking women there was ridiculous. :D
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 01, 2023, 09:40:22 AM
offset by thick set,bald ,vest wearing tattooed ugly blokes.Would like to visit Zagreb but their fans are bell endsAmazing place. I went in 2010.
Wonderful place, I've been twice.
The amount of good looking women there was ridiculous. :D
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 09:40:47 AM
offset by thick set,bald ,vest wearing tattooed uglies.Would like to visit Zagreb but their fans are bell endsAmazing place. I went in 2010.
Wonderful place, I've been twice.
The amount of good looking women there was ridiculous. :D
I don't have any tattoos :)
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 01, 2023, 09:41:46 AM
I am sure you can get some there :)offset by thick set,bald ,vest wearing tattooed uglies.Would like to visit Zagreb but their fans are bell endsAmazing place. I went in 2010.
Wonderful place, I've been twice.
The amount of good looking women there was ridiculous. :D
I don't have any tattoos :)
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 09:43:31 AM
I'll pass :)I am sure you can get some there :)offset by thick set,bald ,vest wearing tattooed uglies.Would like to visit Zagreb but their fans are bell endsAmazing place. I went in 2010.
Wonderful place, I've been twice.
The amount of good looking women there was ridiculous. :D
I don't have any tattoos :)
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 01, 2023, 09:45:15 AM
You don’t want to be original then?I'll pass :)I am sure you can get some there :)offset by thick set,bald ,vest wearing tattooed uglies.Would like to visit Zagreb but their fans are bell endsAmazing place. I went in 2010.
Wonderful place, I've been twice.
The amount of good looking women there was ridiculous. :D
I don't have any tattoos :)
Still time to wear shorts to show off your new calf tattoo.
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2023, 09:45:45 AM
Would like to visit Zagreb but their fans are bell endsAmazing place. I went in 2010.
Wonderful place, I've been twice.
The amount of good looking women there was ridiculous. :D
Yes, it's unreal. And please don't take this as a mysoginistic post in any way, I've just never seen so many objectively beautiful women in one place.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 09:48:32 AM
Would like to visit Zagreb but their fans are bell endsAmazing place. I went in 2010.
Wonderful place, I've been twice.
The amount of good looking women there was ridiculous. :D
Yes, it's unreal. And please don't take this as a mysoginistic post in any way, I've just never seen so many objectively beautiful women in one place.
Florence was up there, so was Olso. But Zagreb is a different level.
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2023, 09:52:54 AM
Post by: AV82EC on September 01, 2023, 09:57:20 AM
Kick off times for fixtures are either 1630 or 1845 or 2100 all CET. You play three matches at the 1630/1845 slot and three matches at the 2100 slot.
Not quite sure about a 1530 home kick off on a Thursday!
Post by: Bully2345 on September 01, 2023, 10:10:29 AM
Post by: DeKuip on September 01, 2023, 10:15:41 AM
Post by: DeKuip on September 01, 2023, 10:26:14 AM
I've had a look at West Ham's games last season and their home games were at 8pm. Generally English teams get the home games at 8pm due to the TV audiences so i'd be shocked if we have any early home kick offs. Not a guarantee though.I might be wrong but I think the kick off times are decided by which group your drawn in, so A-D might be 8pm in week 1 and 5.45 week 2 and E-H the opposite etc. There will be 2 English teams at home each Thursday (Villa or Brighton and Liverpool or West Ham) and so one home & one away at 5.45 and same at 8pm.
Post by: AV82EC on September 01, 2023, 10:40:49 AM
I've had a look at West Ham's games last season and their home games were at 8pm. Generally English teams get the home games at 8pm due to the TV audiences so i'd be shocked if we have any early home kick offs. Not a guarantee though.I might be wrong but I think the kick off times are decided by which group your drawn in, so A-D might be 8pm in week 1 and 5.45 week 2 and E-H the opposite etc. There will be 2 English teams at home each Thursday (Villa or Brighton and Liverpool or West Ham) and so one home & one away at 5.45 and same at 8pm.
That makes sense, thanks DeKuip.
Post by: john e on September 01, 2023, 10:44:50 AM
does this happen in the Europa league also do some drop into the conference league competition halfway through ?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 01, 2023, 10:45:29 AM
Post by: john e on September 01, 2023, 10:48:21 AM
Yes.
Oh, I didn’t know that
So we might meet some very much stronger teams later on if we stay in
Post by: Monty on September 01, 2023, 10:49:20 AM
Yes.
Oh, I didn’t know that
So we might meet some very much stronger teams later on if we stay in
Hope so, that's when I'd be really up for it. A European semifinal against Ajax or Bayer Leverkusen...
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 01, 2023, 10:49:23 AM
You know that the Champions League teams come down to the Europa league if they finish 3rd
does this happen in the Europa league also do some drop into the conference league competition halfway through ?
Yes, meaning it's possible we could play another Scottish team later in the competition.
Post by: Drummond on September 01, 2023, 11:00:40 AM
You know that the Champions League teams come down to the Europa league if they finish 3rd
does this happen in the Europa league also do some drop into the conference league competition halfway through ?
Yes, meaning it's possible we could play another Scottish team later in the competition.
Well we could be drawn with Aberdeen today, though I don't think it's possible to drop through two competitions, i.e. from Champs to Europa to Conference in one season, meaning meeting Celtic would be impossible?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 01, 2023, 11:20:48 AM
You know that the Champions League teams come down to the Europa league if they finish 3rd
does this happen in the Europa league also do some drop into the conference league competition halfway through ?
The 8 Conference group winners progress to the last 16.
The 8 group runners up have to play a knockout round against the 8 teams that drop down.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 12:01:01 PM
You know that the Champions League teams come down to the Europa league if they finish 3rd
does this happen in the Europa league also do some drop into the conference league competition halfway through ?
Yes, meaning it's possible we could play another Scottish team later in the competition.
Well we could be drawn with Aberdeen today, though I don't think it's possible to drop through two competitions, i.e. from Champs to Europa to Conference in one season, meaning meeting Celtic would be impossible?
Celtic played in all 3 two years ago.
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 01, 2023, 12:02:33 PM
Post by: Drummond on September 01, 2023, 12:05:50 PM
Thanks for confirming. Got to love a competition whose entrants can change multiple times during the process of playing it.
Post by: TonyD on September 01, 2023, 12:26:02 PM
Currently showing the Europa draw.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 01, 2023, 12:27:10 PM
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2023, 12:29:32 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on September 01, 2023, 12:29:56 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 12:30:28 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 12:31:00 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on September 01, 2023, 12:31:34 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 01, 2023, 12:32:22 PM
Chap opening the balls has got particularly long arms.
Someone on RAWK said that Joe Cole looked liked he was defusing a bomb during yesterday's draw.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 12:32:40 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2023, 12:32:54 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 12:33:30 PM
Sorry why do Brighton or West Ham have any bearing on our draw?
Matched with a club for TV.
Post by: Somniloquism on September 01, 2023, 12:33:56 PM
Sorry why do Brighton or West Ham have any bearing on our draw?
Apparently something to do with local TV timings as all the matches are on a Thursday.
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 01, 2023, 12:34:09 PM
Sorry why do Brighton or West Ham have any bearing on our draw?None at this stage but could theoretically drop fiwn to the Conference League later on.
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2023, 12:34:14 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 01, 2023, 12:34:59 PM
Brighton have Ajax, Marseille and AEK Athens.
That seems sticky enough for a Europa League group.
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2023, 12:36:14 PM
Post by: Smirker on September 01, 2023, 12:37:09 PM
Make it happen, football gods 8)
Post by: Somniloquism on September 01, 2023, 12:38:08 PM
Sorry why do Brighton or West Ham have any bearing on our draw?None at this stage but could theoretically drop fiwn to the Conference League later on.
Supposedly it does as matches in groups A-D have certain ko times and E-H have others. Country teams are then paired off across both competitions which supposedly means we now can't be drawn in groups A-D as Brighton have been drawn in B.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 01, 2023, 12:41:30 PM
I want Frankfurt. Have a German friend and when we were in the Championship and Frankfurt were on the up, I said how great it would be if Villa got back up and into Europe to get drawn against them and now it could happen. It would be so good.
Make it happen, football gods 8)
No thanks, one of the better teams in the draw and their fans seem to have a few 'issues'.
Post by: shirley_villan on September 01, 2023, 12:42:18 PM
Post by: algy on September 01, 2023, 12:45:04 PM
It is, but only if the club gets knocked out of the Champions League before the group stages (and gets to at least the 2nd qualifying round).You know that the Champions League teams come down to the Europa league if they finish 3rd
does this happen in the Europa league also do some drop into the conference league competition halfway through ?
Yes, meaning it's possible we could play another Scottish team later in the competition.
Well we could be drawn with Aberdeen today, though I don't think it's possible to drop through two competitions, i.e. from Champs to Europa to Conference in one season, meaning meeting Celtic would be impossible?
Breidablik have played in all 3 this year - beat Shamrock Rovers in the Champions League 1st Round, lost to FC Copenhagen in the 2nd Round, lost to Zrinjski Mostar (Bosnia) in the Europa League 3rd qualifying round, then beat Struga (Macedonia) in the Conference League playoff.
Basically it's the hope for Welsh sides (realistically TNS) to get in to the group stages in a European competition, which would be huge for the Welsh Premier League. Get a decent (easy) draw in the 1st quaifying round, then they only need to win one of the next 3 matches in Europe and they're guaranteed group stage football in one of the competitions. And you can see that some of the teams who get to the conference league playoff games are a bit ropey and potentially ... well, it'd be an upset, but it's not completely beyond the realms of possibility that someone like TNS could beat them.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 01, 2023, 12:45:48 PM
I want Frankfurt. Have a German friend and when we were in the Championship and Frankfurt were on the up, I said how great it would be if Villa got back up and into Europe to get drawn against them and now it could happen. It would be so good.
Make it happen, football gods 8)
No thanks, one of the better teams in the draw and their fans seem to have a few 'issues'.
And more importantly, Frankfurt isn't a particularly inspiring German City.
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2023, 12:47:35 PM
Post by: Smirker on September 01, 2023, 12:47:50 PM
I want Frankfurt. Have a German friend and when we were in the Championship and Frankfurt were on the up, I said how great it would be if Villa got back up and into Europe to get drawn against them and now it could happen. It would be so good.
Make it happen, football gods 8)
No thanks, one of the better teams in the draw and their fans seem to have a few 'issues'.
😂 I understand that.
Post by: Lsvilla on September 01, 2023, 12:53:19 PM
Post by: Olneythelonely on September 01, 2023, 12:54:40 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 12:56:01 PM
Post by: Lsvilla on September 01, 2023, 12:56:22 PM
UEFA TV and TNT SportsThanks. Forgot about TNT.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 01, 2023, 12:56:48 PM
Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 01:00:07 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 01, 2023, 01:03:04 PM
Any Irish folk know if West Ham's games last season were shown on the Irish channels (not UTV/ITV)? I know the final was but were any of the group games?
Doubtful as Virgin Media normally show a Europa League game. Even more doubtful with Liverpool in it.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 01:03:12 PM
Europa League group stage draw in full
Group A: WEST HAM, Olympiacos, Freiburg, TSC Backa Topola
Group B: Ajax, Marseille, BRIGHTON, AEK Athens
Group C: RANGERS, Real Betis, Sparta Prague, Aris Limassol
Group D: Atalanta, Sporting Lisbon, Sturm Graz, Rakow
Group E: LIVERPOOL, LASK, Union St-Gilloise, Toulouse
Group F: Villarreal, Rennes, Maccabi Haifa, Panathinaikos
Group G: Roma, Slavia Prague, Sheriff Tiraspol, Servette
Group H: Bayer Leverkusen, Qarabag, Molde, BK Hacken
Post by: Somniloquism on September 01, 2023, 01:05:31 PM
Post by: DeKuip on September 01, 2023, 01:07:08 PM
We’ll be home same Thursdays as Liverpool too if I’m reading it right.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 01:07:09 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on September 01, 2023, 01:08:38 PM
Post by: paul_e on September 01, 2023, 01:10:25 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 01:11:24 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 01:12:03 PM
I predict some pleasant scenes between AEK and Marseille fans.
At least Ajax fans are known to be very friendly...
Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 01:19:22 PM
Any Irish folk know if West Ham's games last season were shown on the Irish channels (not UTV/ITV)? I know the final was but were any of the group games?
Doubtful as Virgin Media normally show a Europa League game. Even more doubtful with Liverpool in it.
Ugh, you're probably right.
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2023, 01:24:26 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 01:26:31 PM
Quote
Clubs from Nordic countries will be scheduled away on matchday 6. A maximum of two clubs per group will therefore have venues that are exposed to severe winter conditions and/or cannot guarantee facilities fit for use in severe weather conditions.
Post by: Axl Rose on September 01, 2023, 01:28:04 PM
I predict some pleasant scenes between AEK and Marseille fans.
At least Ajax fans are known to be very friendly...
😂
Post by: Somniloquism on September 01, 2023, 01:28:12 PM
Hoping for Brugge, Nordsjælland and Legia Warsaw.
If the same TV pairings ruling is in effect then I think we can't get Brugge as they might have been paired with Union Saint-Gilloise. Could still get one of Genk of Gent though.
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2023, 01:31:10 PM
Post by: purpletrousers on September 01, 2023, 01:31:33 PM
Live stream
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 01:33:53 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on September 01, 2023, 01:37:24 PM
Post by: Drummond on September 01, 2023, 01:38:05 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 01:38:16 PM
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2023, 01:39:15 PM
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2023, 01:39:32 PM
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2023, 01:40:30 PM
Noble has been on the beds. Looks like my garden fence.
How is he only 36? Looks about 50. Proper old man's hair do.
Post by: Drummond on September 01, 2023, 01:40:38 PM
Ace now we have Mark Noble.
He needs some clippers running through his hair.
Post by: German James on September 01, 2023, 01:40:45 PM
How many more has-beens are they going to drag on?
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on September 01, 2023, 01:41:42 PM
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2023, 01:41:48 PM
Post by: OCD on September 01, 2023, 01:42:03 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 01:42:27 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 01:42:54 PM
Noble has been on the beds. Looks like my garden fence.
How is he only 36? Looks about 50. Proper old man's hair do.
He’s like the footballers we saw from back in the 60’s. Blokes in their 20’s looking like pensioners.
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2023, 01:43:06 PM
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2023, 01:43:12 PM
Post by: German James on September 01, 2023, 01:44:22 PM
Please just get on with the Numberwang bollocks."Giles?"
"Numberwank".
The incidental music is suspisciously Russian sounding.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 01:44:33 PM
Post by: amfy on September 01, 2023, 01:44:38 PM
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on September 01, 2023, 01:44:52 PM
Post by: Drummond on September 01, 2023, 01:45:21 PM
I hope we get a few more speeches.
I might tune in again around 5pm when they've finished explaining how the draw works.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 01, 2023, 01:45:27 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on September 01, 2023, 01:45:34 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 01:45:35 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 01:45:47 PM
Who are the Villa reps in the crowd?
Dan Bardell
Post by: Garyth on September 01, 2023, 01:45:57 PM
Post by: TonyD on September 01, 2023, 01:46:11 PM
Post by: TonyD on September 01, 2023, 01:46:53 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 01, 2023, 01:47:11 PM
Post by: German James on September 01, 2023, 01:47:27 PM
I wonder how much these UEFA officials pay themselves for a piss easy job.A million, billion, quadzillion Euros.
Post by: Axl Rose on September 01, 2023, 01:48:03 PM
Please not Eintracht.
I've been to one of their games. Utter chaos.
Post by: German James on September 01, 2023, 01:48:11 PM
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2023, 01:48:21 PM
Post by: Drummond on September 01, 2023, 01:49:12 PM
Who are the Villa reps in the crowd?
Dan Bardell
Elmo, Tommy Jordan and Matt Beno
Post by: OCD on September 01, 2023, 01:49:13 PM
Post by: German James on September 01, 2023, 01:49:29 PM
Post by: Dave P on September 01, 2023, 01:49:30 PM
Post by: Drummond on September 01, 2023, 01:49:38 PM
Post by: OCD on September 01, 2023, 01:50:06 PM
Post by: TonyD on September 01, 2023, 01:50:12 PM
I should have applied for a job there 30 years ago.I wonder how much these UEFA officials pay themselves for a piss easy job.A million, billion, quadzillion Euros.
I would be a senior bod by now. Not too senior just enough to take a few bungs and have a couple of yachts.
Post by: Dave P on September 01, 2023, 01:50:12 PM
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2023, 01:50:21 PM
Post by: trinityoap on September 01, 2023, 01:51:08 PM
Post by: Dave on September 01, 2023, 01:51:41 PM
I always think of HMHB when I see Gent.
You can't put your foot up in Europe, you can't show your studs on the 'nent.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 01:52:15 PM
Who are the Villa reps in the crowd?
Dan Bardell
He really does love himself as the voice of Villa
Post by: Somniloquism on September 01, 2023, 01:52:31 PM
Post by: Drummond on September 01, 2023, 01:52:37 PM
AZ Alkmaar
Ferencvaros
Frankfurt or
Fenerbache
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 01:52:53 PM
Post by: Dave P on September 01, 2023, 01:53:28 PM
I always think of HMHB when I see Gent.
You can't put your foot up in Europe, you can't show your studs on the 'nent.
They take a dim view to a slightly raised shoe
Post by: Drummond on September 01, 2023, 01:53:37 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 01, 2023, 01:54:10 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on September 01, 2023, 01:54:15 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 01:54:15 PM
Post by: Dave P on September 01, 2023, 01:54:15 PM
Post by: Dave on September 01, 2023, 01:54:20 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 01:54:22 PM
Post by: Drummond on September 01, 2023, 01:54:46 PM
AZ ALkmaar
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on September 01, 2023, 01:54:58 PM
Alex bloody Scott is the new Claudia Winckleman gets bloody everywhereThis is absolutely as it should be.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 01:55:23 PM
Post by: Ger Regan on September 01, 2023, 01:55:49 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 01:56:21 PM
Was it Alkmaar that West Ham had the trouble with last year?
Yep
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 01:56:27 PM
Was it Alkmaar that West Ham had the trouble with last year?
Yep
Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 01:56:29 PM
Post by: NeilH on September 01, 2023, 01:56:46 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 01:57:10 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 01:57:31 PM
Post by: TonyD on September 01, 2023, 01:57:32 PM
Post by: Dave on September 01, 2023, 01:57:34 PM
Aston Villa
Legia Warsaw
Post by: Somniloquism on September 01, 2023, 01:57:39 PM
Post by: Dave P on September 01, 2023, 01:57:48 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 01, 2023, 01:57:51 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 01:57:52 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on September 01, 2023, 01:57:56 PM
Nice place to drink in, however.
Post by: lovejoy on September 01, 2023, 01:58:12 PM
Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 01:58:13 PM
Post by: Legion on September 01, 2023, 01:58:21 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 01:58:24 PM
Fuck me, this is a group of death.
For those teams playing us. Emery has probably already got a massive dossier on these teams.
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on September 01, 2023, 01:58:34 PM
Post by: Nev on September 01, 2023, 01:58:41 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 01, 2023, 01:58:47 PM
Alex bloody Scott is the new Claudia Winckleman gets bloody everywhere
Indeed, surprised Jermaine Jenas hasn't shown up.
Post by: Legion on September 01, 2023, 01:59:35 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 01, 2023, 01:59:49 PM
Fuck me, this is a group of death.
For those teams playing us
Too right TV, will be tough for the others to see who finishes runner-up.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 02:00:12 PM
Where's Micah Richards when you don't need the gurning imbecile?
He is such a wanker. Failed his way to success
Post by: Dave P on September 01, 2023, 02:01:00 PM
Alex bloody Scott is the new Claudia Winckleman gets bloody everywhereIndeed, surprised Jermaine Jenas hasn't shown up.
And Romesh
Post by: Somniloquism on September 01, 2023, 02:01:02 PM
edit: Shame
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 02:01:03 PM
Where's Micah Richards when you don't need the gurning imbecile?
He is such a wanker. Failed his way to success
It says a lot when I'd prefer to listen to Robbie Savage than Micah Richards
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 02:01:06 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on September 01, 2023, 02:01:10 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 01, 2023, 02:01:48 PM
Post by: Legion on September 01, 2023, 02:02:12 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on September 01, 2023, 02:02:54 PM
Post by: Dave on September 01, 2023, 02:02:58 PM
Aston Villa
Legia Warsaw
Zrinjski
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 02:03:04 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 01, 2023, 02:03:04 PM
Tough draw legia.
Cashy's going home.
He's going home
He's going home
He's going...
Cashy's going home
Post by: German James on September 01, 2023, 02:03:13 PM
ZrinskiGesundheit!
Post by: Axl Rose on September 01, 2023, 02:03:37 PM
Post by: TonyD on September 01, 2023, 02:03:39 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on September 01, 2023, 02:04:00 PM
Post by: Nev on September 01, 2023, 02:04:05 PM
Zrinski
That's a racehorse isn't it?
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 02:04:08 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 02:04:10 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 02:04:12 PM
Post by: TopDeck113 on September 01, 2023, 02:04:34 PM
Post by: Ger Regan on September 01, 2023, 02:04:37 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 01, 2023, 02:04:40 PM
Zrinjski
Good dancer and racehorse, but their best days are behind them.
Post by: OCD on September 01, 2023, 02:04:54 PM
Zrinjski
Sounds like the noise someone would make when they catch their penis in their fly.
Post by: john e on September 01, 2023, 02:05:01 PM
Post by: Legion on September 01, 2023, 02:05:02 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on September 01, 2023, 02:05:12 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on September 01, 2023, 02:05:17 PM
Post by: jon collett on September 01, 2023, 02:05:36 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 02:05:52 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 02:06:01 PM
we know what dates which ties will be yet? or will that be calculated later?
We'll know tomorrow at the latest.
Post by: UK Redsox on September 01, 2023, 02:06:04 PM
Is that the lot?
You want more ?
Isn't at already unfair that Villa have to play and extra game since there's teams from Bosnia and Herzegovina in the group ?
Post by: Legion on September 01, 2023, 02:06:05 PM
We're all going on a Scabble winning tour :)
Scrabble.
Post by: MattW on September 01, 2023, 02:06:08 PM
So 3 very friendly places for away fans.
Mostar is a great town.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 02:06:18 PM
we know what dates which ties will be yet? or will that be calculated later?
By Saturday apparently
Post by: TopDeck113 on September 01, 2023, 02:06:29 PM
Sorry, nutters.
Post by: Garyth on September 01, 2023, 02:06:29 PM
Post by: charlatan on September 01, 2023, 02:07:26 PM
Where's Micah Richards when you don't need the gurning imbecile?
He is such a wanker. Failed his way to success
Gives us all hope.
Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 02:07:36 PM
Post by: Monty on September 01, 2023, 02:07:44 PM
Zrinjski
Sounds like the noise someone would make when they catch their penis in their fly.
"Zrinjski" said Glenn Peen, cutting off his chap.
Post by: Drummond on September 01, 2023, 02:07:59 PM
We're all going on a Scabble winning tour :)
Scrabble.
1 point deducted
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 02:08:23 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on September 01, 2023, 02:08:30 PM
It's a disgrace. Emery out!
Post by: Small Rodent on September 01, 2023, 02:08:30 PM
“ Legia is disaster
I watch game yesterday”
Post by: Somniloquism on September 01, 2023, 02:09:12 PM
Nowhere anywhere near Tokyo for me to fly to.
It's a disgrace. Emery out!
Astana was drawn in another group.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 01, 2023, 02:09:20 PM
Mostar would be an awesome trip!
A six-hour drive from where I'll be in Albania. Hmmmmm.
Post by: simon ward 50 on September 01, 2023, 02:09:34 PM
Post by: aev on September 01, 2023, 02:09:41 PM
As my Polish brother in law just said:
“ Legia is disaster
I watch game yesterday”
Can't work out if he is optimistic or pessimistic?
Post by: TonyD on September 01, 2023, 02:09:45 PM
Mostar would be an awesome trip!Flights look tricky
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 01, 2023, 02:09:54 PM
Post by: Holte L2 on September 01, 2023, 02:10:32 PM
As my Polish brother in law just said:
“ Legia is disaster
I watch game yesterday”
In what way does he think it's a disaster?
Post by: Somniloquism on September 01, 2023, 02:10:48 PM
http://www.vilaparkmostar.com/
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 02:10:49 PM
Post by: Olneythelonely on September 01, 2023, 02:11:53 PM
Ours certainly the group of death - had to be with all the FUNERALING we will be dishing out.
Ha.
I have to say, Im really enjoying the funeraling stuff.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 01, 2023, 02:11:54 PM
Is that the lot?
You want more ?
Isn't at already unfair that Villa have to play and extra game since there's teams from Bosnia and Herzegovina in the group ?
Two extra games, as we have to play teams from Holland and the Netherlands.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 02:12:20 PM
Warsaw 31k
Alkmaar 19,500
Zrinjski 9k
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2023, 02:12:54 PM
Allocations should be 1500 for Poland, 970 in Holland and 450 in Bosnia.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 01, 2023, 02:13:07 PM
Our European tour is sponsored by Stone Island
Ha! It certainly is. I've just read the experience Aberdeen fans had in Mostar. Very 1980s with black masks.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 02:13:46 PM
Post by: Legion on September 01, 2023, 02:13:52 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 02:14:48 PM
Quote
Around 50 Aberdeen supporters have been attacked in Bosnia before their Europa League qualifier.
Fans who had gathered at the Black Dog pub in Mostar were targeted on Wednesday night by a group reportedly carrying bats and flares.
Reports say at least two fans were taken to hospital following the incident.
Aberdeen Evening Express journalist Sean Wallace was among those caught up in the violence.
He wrote on Twitter: "Sore head after being bottled by masked Bosnian hooligans in Mostar.
Wallace later clarified the group were associated with the team Zrinjski Mostar.
Post by: Somniloquism on September 01, 2023, 02:14:49 PM
Great draw that. Mostar looks actually quite quaint. Alkmaar and Warsaw are two great trips.
Allocations should be 1500 for Poland, 970 in Holland and 450 in Bosnia.
They have a Shankly's bar so you will be home from home.
Post by: UK Redsox on September 01, 2023, 02:15:47 PM
Winkelcentrum de Mare
Post by: Mister E on September 01, 2023, 02:16:42 PM
LOL!ZrinjskiSounds like the noise someone would make when they catch their penis in their fly.
Post by: VillaTim on September 01, 2023, 02:17:38 PM
I'll watch from the safety of the couchQuoteAround 50 Aberdeen supporters have been attacked in Bosnia before their Europa League qualifier.
Fans who had gathered at the Black Dog pub in Mostar were targeted on Wednesday night by a group reportedly carrying bats and flares.
Reports say at least two fans were taken to hospital following the incident.
Aberdeen Evening Express journalist Sean Wallace was among those caught up in the violence.
He wrote on Twitter: "Sore head after being bottled by masked Bosnian hooligans in Mostar.
Wallace later clarified the group were associated with the team Zrinjski Mostar.
Post by: langleylions on September 01, 2023, 02:18:33 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 02:20:14 PM
Post by: langleylions on September 01, 2023, 02:22:21 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 01, 2023, 02:23:10 PM
Post by: eamonn on September 01, 2023, 02:23:11 PM
Ours certainly the group of death - had to be with all the FUNERALING we will be dishing out.
Ha.
I have to say, Im really enjoying the funeraling stuff.
The best thing to come out of H&V in the decade of doom (2010-2019) and its inventor was only a fleeting poster. Saranyu, we salute you and may you never be funeralled.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 02:23:24 PM
Post by: john e on September 01, 2023, 02:24:09 PM
Doesn’t look like there’s a decent trip there for me and 2 teenage school kids without taking your life into your own hands
Post by: NeilH on September 01, 2023, 02:24:16 PM
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wonder if alkmaars 15 year old balaclarva wearing hoolies will try and take the holte 🤣🤣we need that west ham fans number !!
Ironically AZ was always styled as a family club, which made last year's shenanigans even more crappy. AZ ultras high on drugs and booze have pushed most families out - nice city, decent walk from the centre to the stadium, but suspect there will be loads of trouble.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 01, 2023, 02:24:52 PM
Part of Alkmaar sounds like it's in Somerset
Winkelcentrum de Mare
Sounds like it's the Red Light District.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on September 01, 2023, 02:25:09 PM
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2023, 02:26:14 PM
Bit disappointed
Doesn’t look like there’s a decent trip there for me and 2 teenage school kids without taking your life into your own hands
I imagne if you're not stood outside a pub with hundreds of other Villa fans you'll be OK. I've no interest in doing that anyway.
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2023, 02:26:35 PM
Do we know the dates we'll play each team, i.e. not just 'ECL match week 3'?
I think I heard them say they will be announced on Saturday.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 02:30:11 PM
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Three men have been sentenced after clashes between police and football fans at a Europa League match.
Leicestershire Police said 14 officers were attacked and injured during the game between Leicester City and Legia Warsaw on 25 November.
Two needed hospital treatment, with one suffering a broken wrist.
Flares were set off at the King Power Stadium and fans tried to breach the line between the two sets of supporters, the force added.
At Loughborough Magistrates' Court on Friday, Karol Kaliszewicz admitted two counts of assaulting an emergency worker against two police officers, who did not sustain serious injuries.
The 34-year-old also admitted one count of assault against a steward.
Kaliszewicz, of West Plaza, Town Lane, Staines upon Thames, was handed a 12-month community order, told to carry out 240 hours of unpaid work and received a three-year football banning order.
Daniel Beldycki, 31, of Taunton Road in Leicester, pleaded guilty to a charge of using threatening or abusive or insulting words or behaviour with intent to cause fear of or provoke unlawful violence.
He was handed a 12-month community order and told to do 50 hours of unpaid work. He was also given a three-year banning order.
Nathan Cramp, 30, of Westfield Close, Blaby, admitted using threatening or abusive words or behaviour to cause harassment, alarm or distress.
He was handed a conditional discharge.
Det Ch Insp Paul Kenyon, of Leicestershire Police, said: "A significant amount of resource from the police, as well as from the club, were deployed to respond to this unnecessary and uncalled for disorder.
"The actions of some resulted in 14 officers being assaulted and injured. This is simply not acceptable and inquiries into the events of that evening are still continuing."
The Foxes won the game 3-1 but were ultimately knocked out of the Europa League by Napoli on 9 December.
Post by: shirley_villan on September 01, 2023, 02:32:17 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 02:38:53 PM
Bit disappointed
Doesn’t look like there’s a decent trip there for me and 2 teenage school kids without taking your life into your own hands
I imagne if you're not stood outside a pub with hundreds of other Villa fans you'll be OK. I've no interest in doing that anyway.
I don't really understand why people do that at all. Go to some lovely European city, spend it outside invariably the worst pubs there, drinking shit beer, surrounded by compatriots, getting as pissed as they possibly can.
Nein danke.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 01, 2023, 02:41:15 PM
Bit disappointed
Doesn’t look like there’s a decent trip there for me and 2 teenage school kids without taking your life into your own hands
I imagne if you're not stood outside a pub with hundreds of other Villa fans you'll be OK. I've no interest in doing that anyway.
Same here, my motto is, go in the exact opposite direction.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 01, 2023, 02:43:22 PM
Do we know the dates we'll play each team, i.e. not just 'ECL match week 3'?
I think I heard them say they will be announced on Saturday.
Thanks!
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 01, 2023, 02:43:40 PM
Bit disappointed
Doesn’t look like there’s a decent trip there for me and 2 teenage school kids without taking your life into your own hands
I imagne if you're not stood outside a pub with hundreds of other Villa fans you'll be OK. I've no interest in doing that anyway.
Same here, my motto is, go in the exact opposite direction.
100%
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 02:45:59 PM
Post by: Bully2345 on September 01, 2023, 02:49:51 PM
Thought we'd try the Reeperbahn and see what the Villa fans were up to. Immediately returned to the market.
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2023, 02:54:23 PM
Some radom Austrians tried to offer us out in Vienna. They also came and nicked Hatchet's Sutton Coldfield flag in the first year and kept it for the return the following year. Generally speaking, the badly behaved gimps are always the locals and seldom us.
Alkmaar isn't far from Amsterdam at all. But probably a lot cheaper to stay out that way than Amsterdam. Plus have to collect tickets from there- any thoughts from our Dutch brothers or those that have been before?
Post by: john e on September 01, 2023, 03:06:02 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on September 01, 2023, 03:06:52 PM
All three teams in our group are unbeaten so far this season in their respective leagues
Maybe so, but Mostar have already had to get knocked out of two European competitions to end up in this one
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 03:07:26 PM
Post by: john e on September 01, 2023, 03:08:29 PM
Alkmaar gave West Ham 975 tickets for their match.
Oh not so good then
Post by: Drummond on September 01, 2023, 03:11:50 PM
Bit disappointed
Doesn’t look like there’s a decent trip there for me and 2 teenage school kids without taking your life into your own hands
I imagne if you're not stood outside a pub with hundreds of other Villa fans you'll be OK. I've no interest in doing that anyway.
I don't really understand why people do that at all. Go to some lovely European city, spend it outside invariably the worst pubs there, drinking shit beer, surrounded by compatriots, getting as pissed as they possibly can.
Nein danke.
Well that many inside you i'd reckon you would be a little bit pissed.
Post by: Somniloquism on September 01, 2023, 03:13:12 PM
Do we know the dates we'll play each team, i.e. not just 'ECL match week 3'?
I think I heard them say they will be announced on Saturday.
Thanks!
Saturday 11am at the latest. Supposedly they need to check out other factors for the cities / countries involved including CL match times (load of fans at an airport as other fans arrive) and chats with the reps, plus stuff like what PWS posted on Nordic teams last matches being away. Once all sorted they will announce the matches so could be sooner if no obvious issues.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 01, 2023, 03:14:46 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2023, 03:32:04 PM
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2023, 03:36:13 PM
Warzavillain gets a local travel to see us. Just need Edvard to get the same now.This is where we find out that Warzavillan actually lives in Walzall.
edit: Shame
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2023, 03:41:26 PM
Indeed. Keep away from the Irish bar in the square in any city whilst we are playing there.Bit disappointed
Doesn’t look like there’s a decent trip there for me and 2 teenage school kids without taking your life into your own hands
I imagne if you're not stood outside a pub with hundreds of other Villa fans you'll be OK. I've no interest in doing that anyway.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 01, 2023, 03:48:44 PM
Alkmaar gave West Ham 975 tickets for their match.
Wasn't that a semi final though?
Post by: Paul.S on September 01, 2023, 03:49:41 PM
Do we play all teams at home and away?
Yes, home and away against each team in our group.
Post by: Small Rodent on September 01, 2023, 03:50:25 PM
As my Polish brother in law just said:
“ Legia is disaster
I watch game yesterday”
In what way does he think it's a disaster?
They are not very good. Blow hot and cold.
Post by: Paul.S on September 01, 2023, 03:51:14 PM
Alkmaar gave West Ham 975 tickets for their match.
Wasn't that a semi final though?
Each away club gets 5% of the capacity so 975 sounds about right.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 03:52:16 PM
Alkmaar gave West Ham 975 tickets for their match.
Wasn't that a semi final though?
It was but it's likely to be our allocation as well.
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2023, 03:54:12 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 03:58:04 PM
Post by: charleeco7 on September 01, 2023, 03:58:41 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 03:59:35 PM
If you’re going to Almaar it’s worth looking at Haarlem as a base. About 20 miles south but cracking place.
Maybe catch a Globe Trotters game while there as well.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2023, 04:01:01 PM
If you’re going to Almaar it’s worth looking at Haarlem as a base. About 20 miles south but cracking place.
Maybe catch a Globe Trotters game while there as well.
Watch out for the notorious 116th Street crew of the Genovese crime family though.
(Kidding - civilians have nothing to worry about).
Post by: charleeco7 on September 01, 2023, 04:01:05 PM
If you’re going to Almaar it’s worth looking at Haarlem as a base. About 20 miles south but cracking place.
Maybe catch a Globe Trotters game while there as well.
You may struggle 😄
Post by: Paul.S on September 01, 2023, 04:03:29 PM
Clubs can give more than 5%, but i'd imagine most want as big a home advantage as possible so won't give more. Same as we didn't with Hibs.
Yep. With such small capacities anymore would give the away side less of an advantage. Then there’s the input from the Police etc
Post by: UK Redsox on September 01, 2023, 04:08:35 PM
Clubs can give more than 5%, but i'd imagine most want as big a home advantage as possible so won't give more. Same as we didn't with Hibs.
Yep. With such small capacities anymore would give the away side less of an advantage. Then there’s the input from the Police etc
Trying to take the Sting out of the visiting support
Post by: Paul.S on September 01, 2023, 04:09:58 PM
Post by: brontebilly on September 01, 2023, 04:14:44 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on September 01, 2023, 04:18:38 PM
Three hooligan hotspots?
Don't know what the Bosnians will be like, but would imagine the other two will bring a 'tasty' following to Villa Park.
Post by: john e on September 01, 2023, 04:20:23 PM
Three hooligan hotspots?
Don't know what the Bosnians will be like, but would imagine the other two will bring a 'tasty' following to Villa Park.
I’ve never met a Eastern European fella who wasn’t as hard as nails
Made of granite most of them
Post by: Steve67 on September 01, 2023, 04:22:08 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on September 01, 2023, 04:25:41 PM
Three hooligan hotspots?
Don't know what the Bosnians will be like, but would imagine the other two will bring a 'tasty' following to Villa Park.
When I lived in Poland, which as a place I loved, I couldn't believe how violent some of the fans were. Great atmosphere though
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2023, 04:27:05 PM
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2023, 04:28:13 PM
If you’re going to Almaar it’s worth looking at Haarlem as a base. About 20 miles south but cracking place.Trains to Alkmaar available? What's Alkmaar like to stay?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 04:28:30 PM
Post by: DeKuip on September 01, 2023, 04:48:18 PM
Nice, quiet town when we played there pre-season in O’Leary’s days, but most Villa fans then stayed in Amsterdam and got the train up. More Villa there that weekend than the number of tickets we’ll get at this ugly new ground they have!If you’re going to Almaar it’s worth looking at Haarlem as a base. About 20 miles south but cracking place.Trains to Alkmaar available? What's Alkmaar like to stay?
Post by: charleeco7 on September 01, 2023, 04:50:13 PM
If you’re going to Almaar it’s worth looking at Haarlem as a base. About 20 miles south but cracking place.Trains to Alkmaar available? What's Alkmaar like to stay?
Yes, about 40 mins on the train.
Post by: charleeco7 on September 01, 2023, 04:51:50 PM
If you’re going to Almaar it’s worth looking at Haarlem as a base. About 20 miles south but cracking place.Trains to Alkmaar available? What's Alkmaar like to stay?
Yes, about 40 mins on the train. I’ve never stayed in Alkmaar but have friends in Haarlem so visited them, nice place.
Post by: Small Rodent on September 01, 2023, 05:06:12 PM
I'd imagine there will be a fair few Polish and Bosnians that live here that will want to be at the VP games.
I went to Fulham v (I forget which Polish team) about 10 years ago with the Streatham Polish contingent. It was loud and crazy, but all violence seemed to be rival Polish expats.
I was in the neutral stand and the stewards were overwhelmed by fans ignoring their ticketing.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 01, 2023, 05:41:07 PM
Nice, quiet town when we played there pre-season in O’Leary’s days, but most Villa fans then stayed in Amsterdam and got the train up. More Villa there that weekend than the number of tickets we’ll get at this ugly new ground they have!
Amsterdam is less than €20 return on the train, and the journey only takes 37 mins.
Post by: Smirker on September 01, 2023, 06:24:25 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2023, 06:25:57 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 01, 2023, 06:45:36 PM
Post by: darren woolley on September 01, 2023, 09:40:13 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2023, 09:49:53 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 01, 2023, 09:57:24 PM
Post by: Dave P on September 01, 2023, 10:07:29 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 01, 2023, 11:47:38 PM
Zrinjski were banned from the Yugoslav League from 1945-1992, due to playing in the Nazi Fascist League. They reformed in 1992.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 02, 2023, 08:32:50 AM
Is it just me doing my usual or is this the relative group of death in the Conference?
I don't think so. Legia and Zrinjski will be very limited in my opinion. AZ more of a challenge but if we don't finish at least second we'll have really fucked up.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 02, 2023, 08:33:19 AM
Zrinjski seem to be the Croat team of Mostar and Velez are the Bosniak team. Zrinjski play in Velez's old stadium.
Zrinjski were banned from the Yugoslav League from 1945-1992, due to playing in the Nazi Fascist League. They reformed in 1992.
Sound a great bunch of lads
Post by: HoratioHornblower on September 02, 2023, 08:59:45 AM
5 Oct Zrinjski Home
26 Oct Alkmaar away
9 Nov Alkmaar Home
30 Nov Legia Warsaw Home
14 Dec Zrinjski Away
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 02, 2023, 09:12:47 AM
21 Sep Legia Warsaw Away
5 Oct Zrinjski Home
26 Oct Alkmaar away
9 Nov Alkmaar Home
30 Nov Legia Warsaw Home
14 Dec Zrinjski Away
Thanks Horatio. Where have you got this from?
Post by: HoratioHornblower on September 02, 2023, 09:17:58 AM
Post by: HoratioHornblower on September 02, 2023, 09:23:42 AM
Home matches 2000 k.0.
Post by: olaftab on September 02, 2023, 09:36:34 AM
Post by: Ads on September 02, 2023, 10:05:27 AM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 02, 2023, 11:16:23 AM
Mostar is a different matter.
Post by: Martyn Smith on September 02, 2023, 11:31:00 AM
Post by: FatSam on September 02, 2023, 11:31:28 AM
This group feels like a proper European competition and we should get some good crowds. Think we’ll have a million spectators at Villa Park this season for the first time since God knows when. The seventies?1977, and we’ve only done it three times in total.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 02, 2023, 11:39:20 AM
Post by: WarszaVillan on September 02, 2023, 11:39:53 AM
Poland first, smashing that.
On the day I'm out of Poland. Nearly 30 years living in Warsaw and I won't be here when Villa come.
Post by: Small Rodent on September 02, 2023, 11:44:13 AM
Poland first, smashing that.
On the day I'm out of Poland. Nearly 30 years living in Warsaw and I won't be here when Villa come.
Flights are already through the window too!
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 02, 2023, 11:55:51 AM
Poland first, smashing that.
On the day I'm out of Poland. Nearly 30 years living in Warsaw and I won't be here when Villa come.
Does that mean your house is free? ;)
Post by: UK Redsox on September 02, 2023, 12:02:31 PM
Quote
Villa’s full fixture schedule in Group E is as follows:
Matchday 1: Legia Warszawa v Aston Villa - Thursday, September 21 (ko 5.45pm BST)
Matchday 2: Aston Villa v HŠK Zrinjski - Thursday, October 5 (ko 8pm BST)
Matchday 3: AZ Alkmaar v Aston Villa - Thursday, October 26 (ko 5.45pm BST)
Matchday 4: Aston Villa v AZ Alkmaar - Thursday, November 9 (ko 8pm BST)
Matchday 5: Aston Villa v Legia Warszawa - Thursday, November 30 (ko 8pm BST)
Matchday 6: HŠK Zrinjski v Aston Villa - Thursday, December 14 (ko 5.45pm BST)
Full ticketing details will be confirmed in due course.
Post by: Ads on September 02, 2023, 12:03:22 PM
Stopping in Amsterdam for Alkmaar given its only a short hop. Manchester best for me for Holland with EasyJet.
For Bosnia, I'm thinking of flying into Croatia and getting a bus or hire car over from Dubrovnik or Split as the flights to Sarajevo are a pain in the arse.
Post by: Risso on September 02, 2023, 12:07:52 PM
Warsaw and Alkmaar don't look too tricky to get to.
Mostar is a different matter.
Tui and Wizz do direct flights to Sarajevo, then Mostar is about 2 hours by car.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 02, 2023, 12:14:15 PM
Warsaw and Alkmaar don't look too tricky to get to.
Mostar is a different matter.
Tui and Wizz do direct flights to Sarajevo, then Mostar is about 2 hours by car.
From which airport? I haven't found any direct.
Post by: Ads on September 02, 2023, 12:15:59 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 02, 2023, 12:21:27 PM
Luton had a direct flight.
Cheers. Arrives 11.05 on the day of the match.
Post by: Risso on September 02, 2023, 12:23:00 PM
Post by: andyh on September 02, 2023, 12:45:42 PM
I’m predicting £150 !!!!!!
Post by: Small Rodent on September 02, 2023, 01:01:51 PM
Going Wednesday to Saturday with Warsaw. I've wanted to visit Poland for a while. Liverpool with RyanAir is decent enough on price.
Managed to get sub-£100 flights from Stansted from Tuesday to Saturday.
Nearer the time I’ll be happy to sort out some meet-ups.
Doubt I’ll get an away ticket, but will head straight to the stadium from the airport and see if any home tickets are available.
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 02, 2023, 01:10:12 PM
3 match home pack in upper Witton where I sit.hopefully a lot less, the Hibs game was well priced,a full stadium also means more sales of catering, which should at least equal itself out
I’m predicting £150 !!!!!!
Post by: OCD on September 02, 2023, 01:12:04 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 02, 2023, 01:14:31 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on September 02, 2023, 01:16:58 PM
Going Wednesday to Saturday with Warsaw. I've wanted to visit Poland for a while. Liverpool with RyanAir is decent enough on price.
Managed to get sub-£100 flights from Stansted from Tuesday to Saturday.
Nearer the time I’ll be happy to sort out some meet-ups.
Doubt I’ll get an away ticket, but will head straight to the stadium from the airport and see if any home tickets are available.
Good luck, mate. You're a braver man than I am 😂
Post by: 144 Hard Boiled Eggs on September 02, 2023, 01:31:50 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on September 02, 2023, 01:40:10 PM
Post by: Zouch Villa on September 02, 2023, 01:46:57 PM
Amsterdam £200 return with KLM Wednesday to Friday from Brum. Not much increase from the normal price that I paid a couple of months back. Cheaper than Easyjet.Yep, thats the one me and my son have gone for. Now just need the match tickets…
Post by: Small Rodent on September 02, 2023, 01:57:15 PM
Going Wednesday to Saturday with Warsaw. I've wanted to visit Poland for a while. Liverpool with RyanAir is decent enough on price.
Managed to get sub-£100 flights from Stansted from Tuesday to Saturday.
Nearer the time I’ll be happy to sort out some meet-ups.
Doubt I’ll get an away ticket, but will head straight to the stadium from the airport and see if any home tickets are available.
Good luck, mate. You're a braver man than I am 😂
I’ve been to see Legia before and Pogon Szczecin so know what to expect! When the fans spot you are English they like to chat and are interested in what you think of their ground etc.
Some even halted a tram once because they noticed I might miss it!
Post by: olaftab on September 02, 2023, 02:13:17 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 02, 2023, 03:54:23 PM
This group feels like a proper European competition and we should get some good crowds. Think we’ll have a million spectators at Villa Park this season for the first time since God knows when. The seventies?1977, and we’ve only done it three times in total.
Cheers Sam.
Post by: Dazvillain on September 02, 2023, 03:58:22 PM
Away matches v Chelsea, wolves, Bournemouth and Brentford moved to Sunday, home matches v Luton and Fulham.
Was wondering if Chelsea may get rearranged again or Everton in cup otherwise we are currently thurs sat tues in fixture list. If Chelsea gets pushed to sun would Everton be moved to wed ?
Post by: Dave P on September 02, 2023, 04:44:51 PM
Post by: Holte L2 on September 02, 2023, 04:47:20 PM
Hopeful of a ticket as have 19 aways for last season.
Post by: john e on September 02, 2023, 06:01:26 PM
Worst case scenario a nice couple of days in Amsterdam with kids
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 02, 2023, 07:43:58 PM
Going Wednesday to Saturday with Warsaw. I've wanted to visit Poland for a while. Liverpool with RyanAir is decent enough on price.Mostar is around two and a half hours from Dubrovnik by road. I went while I was on holiday in Cavtat (10 minutes from the airport) a few years ago. Interesting place.
Stopping in Amsterdam for Alkmaar given its only a short hop. Manchester best for me for Holland with EasyJet.
For Bosnia, I'm thinking of flying into Croatia and getting a bus or hire car over from Dubrovnik or Split as the flights to Sarajevo are a pain in the arse.
Post by: UK Redsox on September 02, 2023, 07:54:31 PM
Away matches v Chelsea, wolves, Bournemouth and Brentford moved to Sunday, home matches v Luton and Fulham.
The Luton game being moved means that I can now go to a ‘Teeth of the Sea’ gig.
Hopefully the other changes will free me up for a couple more gigs
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on September 02, 2023, 08:03:14 PM
3 match home pack in upper Witton where I sit.
I’m predicting £150 !!!!!!
Any idea on when home ticket information is likely to come out?
Post by: Somniloquism on September 02, 2023, 11:01:11 PM
Away matches v Chelsea, wolves, Bournemouth and Brentford moved to Sunday, home matches v Luton and Fulham.
The Luton game being moved means that I can now go to a ‘Teeth of the Sea’ gig.
Hopefully the other changes will free me up for a couple more gigs
Nothing official on the moves yet, just that they should be moved now we know the days. As someone mentioned, it might also have a knock-on with the cup match against Everton (currently scheduled for the Tuesday after the Chelsea match) and the Villa/Citeh PL match on 5th December as well.
Post by: darren woolley on September 03, 2023, 04:36:59 AM
Post by: Dave on September 03, 2023, 11:57:14 AM
Bit of history repeating itself would be nice.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 03, 2023, 12:20:47 PM
Sorry if it's been mentioned elsewhere (I'd not seen it if so), but the first ever final was won courtesy of a Zaniolo goal.
Bit of history repeating itself would be nice.
And then WWIII the day after?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on September 03, 2023, 07:11:36 PM
Warsaw and Alkmaar don't look too tricky to get to.
Mostar is a different matter.
Tui and Wizz do direct flights to Sarajevo, then Mostar is about 2 hours by car.
From which airport? I haven't found any direct.
We’ve booked flights from Luton to Sarajevo. Got a hotel booked for 1 night in Mostar ( there’s actually a hotel called Villa Park) and 2 nights in Sarajevo.
Post by: Ads on September 03, 2023, 07:24:48 PM
Post by: Richard on September 03, 2023, 10:04:59 PM
Post by: DeKuip on September 03, 2023, 11:29:36 PM
Warsaw and Alkmaar don't look too tricky to get to.
Mostar is a different matter.
Tui and Wizz do direct flights to Sarajevo, then Mostar is about 2 hours by car.
From which airport? I haven't found any direct.
We’ve booked flights from Luton to Sarajevo. Got a hotel booked for 1 night in Mostar ( there’s actually a hotel called Villa Park) and 2 nights in Sarajevo.
Try the Sarajevo Brewery, you can get really well fed and lubricated in there pretty cheaply. It’s only short walk over the river from the Latin Bridge. I was there last year, loved the place.
Only had about 3hrs in Mostar stopping off on the way to Dubrovnik - those Velez fans are handy with the spray cans!
Post by: Holte L2 on September 04, 2023, 08:20:49 AM
Reading this thread am genuinely interested to know how many of you are going to these places assuming you'll get tickets and how many are just chancing they will?
I have 19 aways for last season but didn't do Hibs. Hopeful of a Liga Warsaw ticket.
Post by: Holte L2 on September 04, 2023, 08:22:44 AM
Post by: shirley_villan on September 04, 2023, 07:58:59 PM
Post by: lennythekad on September 04, 2023, 08:48:56 PM
Post by: Ads on September 04, 2023, 09:12:18 PM
Post by: sid1964 on September 05, 2023, 06:39:56 AM
For the away games in Europe the criteria should be just a ballot for each game to all season ticket holders, if you get a ticket then you have to collect from Villa park, with proof of your flight details
Post by: Ads on September 05, 2023, 07:31:24 AM
An entire ballot side stepping loyalty is wrong.
Post by: Holte L2 on September 05, 2023, 07:41:30 AM
There's 1500ish in the 19 category according to the Chelsea sales criteria today. A good chunk won't go I wouldn't have thought, so it should be a good chance for others to pile in here.
It's funny Ads. I'm on 19 away but still nervous about getting a ticket as couldn't make Hibs.
Post by: Ads on September 05, 2023, 08:03:48 AM
There's 1500ish in the 19 category according to the Chelsea sales criteria today. A good chunk won't go I wouldn't have thought, so it should be a good chance for others to pile in here.
It's funny Ads. I'm on 19 away but still nervous about getting a ticket as couldn't make Hibs.
With 1700, if that's what we get, it would be impossible not make it, even if there's a 19+ 8 years + Hibs category first. You'll be absolutely fine I reckon.
Post by: Holte L2 on September 05, 2023, 08:10:49 AM
There's 1500ish in the 19 category according to the Chelsea sales criteria today. A good chunk won't go I wouldn't have thought, so it should be a good chance for others to pile in here.
It's funny Ads. I'm on 19 away but still nervous about getting a ticket as couldn't make Hibs.
With 1700, if that's what we get, it would be impossible not make it, even if there's a 19+ 8 years + Hibs category first. You'll be absolutely fine I reckon.
By all accounts Leicester were given 1700 but only took 800. I won't be settled until I get confirmation of a successful purchase.
Post by: sid1964 on September 05, 2023, 08:11:27 AM
Due to this he is now lumped in the category of 15 + away games for this season and not guaranteed a ticket for a few of the away games
Any one who is currently in the 19 away games category and fails to get a ticket for Luton (the allocation will be less than 1,500 tickets) will from next season be in the 15 + away games category.
Post by: olaftab on September 05, 2023, 09:25:43 AM
It's no way comparable with Hibs. Hibs is like going to Newcastle but just a little further. Same Country. Warsaw is a different "kettle of fish' as they say. I doubt it if we will take more than 1500.There's 1500ish in the 19 category according to the Chelsea sales criteria today. A good chunk won't go I wouldn't have thought, so it should be a good chance for others to pile in here.
It's funny Ads. I'm on 19 away but still nervous about getting a ticket as couldn't make Hibs.
Post by: AV82EC on September 05, 2023, 09:41:29 AM
It's no way comparable with Hibs. Hibs is like going to Newcastle but just a little further. Same Country. Warsaw is a different "kettle of fish' as they say. I doubt it if we will take more than 1500.There's 1500ish in the 19 category according to the Chelsea sales criteria today. A good chunk won't go I wouldn't have thought, so it should be a good chance for others to pile in here.
It's funny Ads. I'm on 19 away but still nervous about getting a ticket as couldn't make Hibs.
Not so sure myself, if we get 1700 there’ll be no doubt in my mind they all go before it gets anywhere near STHs with no away history like myself.
Post by: andrew08 on September 05, 2023, 12:26:12 PM
Post by: liam on September 05, 2023, 03:28:51 PM
At the risk of sounding like a billy no mates. I'm travelling solo to Warsaw. I'm on the 6.30am flight out of Heathrow on Thursday 21st. If anyone would like to travel with me, safety in numbers and all that please drop me a PM.
My Son and I are out there from the wednesday, happy to meet up when you get to warsaw for a drink or food
Post by: Somniloquism on September 05, 2023, 03:32:47 PM
I have no idea how we have 1500 with 19+ when Bournemouth only gave us 1200 odd last season.
Bolton and Manure in League cup? Or wouldn't they count towards the 19+?
Post by: Ads on September 05, 2023, 03:55:37 PM
I have no idea how we have 1500 with 19+ when Bournemouth only gave us 1200 odd last season.
It's to account for players and the like tickets I think. Somebody explained it pre-Hibs.
Post by: Holte L2 on September 08, 2023, 10:34:08 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 08, 2023, 10:52:49 AM
Didn’t we take a smaller allocation for Hibs than we could have, possibly for the same reason?
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 08, 2023, 10:57:18 AM
I wonder if the club are trying to discourage too many going in order to minimise the chance of troubleBelieve Hibs originally offered the minimum 5% and did offer more but it was too late to organise it from a administration point of view
Didn’t we take a smaller allocation for Hibs than we could have, possibly for the same reason?
Post by: dorsetvillian on September 08, 2023, 11:08:06 AM
Post by: shirley_villan on September 08, 2023, 12:01:41 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 08, 2023, 12:19:48 PM
Has anybody looked in to potentially going in the home end at Legia? Spoke to a Leicester mate who went there two years ago, and they looked in to it at the time as they weren't sure if they'd be given an allocation so soon after Covid.
Legia Warsaw not a place I’d choose to go with the home fans.
Post by: Holte L2 on September 08, 2023, 12:37:59 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 08, 2023, 12:59:21 PM
Is there likely to be violence towards visiting fans. I know they like their flares and fireworks displays but does it extend to violence too ?Has anybody looked in to potentially going in the home end at Legia? Spoke to a Leicester mate who went there two years ago, and they looked in to it at the time as they weren't sure if they'd be given an allocation so soon after Covid.
Legia Warsaw not a place I’d choose to go with the home fans.
Post by: Drummond on September 08, 2023, 01:14:19 PM
I've just phoned the ticket office. Staff said no news, agrees it's ridiculous. She guess is later today or first thing Monday.
Not sure mentioning someone by name is helpful to them to be fair.
Post by: Bully2345 on September 08, 2023, 01:23:39 PM
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 08, 2023, 01:35:14 PM
I've just phoned the ticket office. Sophie said no news, agrees it's ridiculous. She guess is later today or first thing Monday.Yep, I rang yesterday and was told they had no idea what was happening with the Legia tickets at all...except it will follow the same pattern as Hibs...tough eligibility, travel form, Photo id, collect at nominated venue near the stadium on the day!
Post by: Ads on September 08, 2023, 01:35:58 PM
I wonder if the club are trying to discourage too many going in order to minimise the chance of trouble
As tickets are handed out at a pub on location it maybe Balden and his trusty team of spotters recommend fans stay in that square/space and Polish plod can button it up.
Most people did hang around where the tickets were collected from in Edinburgh to be fair, although there wasn't a whiff of aggro or anything moody about the day.
Post by: Holte L2 on September 08, 2023, 01:48:59 PM
I've just phoned the ticket office. Staff said no news, agrees it's ridiculous. She guess is later today or first thing Monday.
Not sure mentioning someone by name is helpful to them to be fair.
She's only stating the obvious. Not to put tickets on sale until a week before supporters fly out to Poland is ridiculous.
Apparently the Villa delegate are flying out to Poland on Monday.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 08, 2023, 01:55:19 PM
have to say, I think they’re very reasonable.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 08, 2023, 01:55:32 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 08, 2023, 01:56:28 PM
You'd hope we thought to speak to someone at Leicester as they played them home and away a couple of years ago, espeically about the crowd issues they had.
I would be amazed if we hadn’t.
Post by: Nev on September 08, 2023, 01:59:53 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 08, 2023, 02:00:42 PM
Post by: Nev on September 08, 2023, 02:01:23 PM
Genuinely think they have got this one spot on in terms of pricing.Same
Post by: Ger Regan on September 08, 2023, 02:02:38 PM
Pricing is on the OS (home games)I misread the first table initially and thought they were taking the complete piss for a single ticket price. €35 for the most expensive ticket is not bad going at all.
have to say, I think they’re very reasonable.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 08, 2023, 02:05:28 PM
Post by: Bully2345 on September 08, 2023, 02:07:23 PM
Post by: London Villan on September 08, 2023, 02:08:04 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 08, 2023, 02:08:56 PM
Post by: Nev on September 08, 2023, 02:11:52 PM
I wonder if they picked up on the backlash of the Everton prices or were planning these prices all along.
I think the former or they would've set more or less the same price for Everton.
Post by: DeKuip on September 08, 2023, 02:19:56 PM
You have to register with Legia to buy online so they’ll probably prevent you buying that way for this game. For any league game in Poland you need to to show passport/ID at the ticket office to buy a ticket and again when you enter the ground, so you’d expect they’ll look to stop you that way too for this game.Is there likely to be violence towards visiting fans. I know they like their flares and fireworks displays but does it extend to violence too ?Has anybody looked in to potentially going in the home end at Legia? Spoke to a Leicester mate who went there two years ago, and they looked in to it at the time as they weren't sure if they'd be given an allocation so soon after Covid.
Legia Warsaw not a place I’d choose to go with the home fans.
Always worth a try though of course.
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 08, 2023, 02:34:59 PM
Post by: liam on September 08, 2023, 02:55:05 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on September 08, 2023, 02:57:07 PM
I'm flyuing out from Leeds airport on the Wednesday morning back Saturday AM....rubbish journey, but better pricing and works with the days, anyone else on that fiight to Warsaw?
You'll love it, mate.
Poland is a great place, and Warsaw a great city.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 08, 2023, 03:05:01 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 08, 2023, 03:14:04 PM
I'm flyuing out from Leeds airport on the Wednesday morning back Saturday AM....rubbish journey, but better pricing and works with the days, anyone else on that fiight to Warsaw?
Unfortunately not but does remind me of two of us taking the train from Leeds to Middlesbrough in the 80s and being met by half of Cleveland's finest with several double decker buses laid on to take us to the ground.
Safe travels.
Post by: The Man With A Stick on September 08, 2023, 03:23:52 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 08, 2023, 03:37:28 PM
Far too cheap, all the riff-raff will be getting in at these prices. And what about FFP? It's a fucking disgrace.flights look expensive. Will stick to the old dodgy stick
Post by: john e on September 08, 2023, 04:07:42 PM
looking at it as having a nice time in a place we’ve never been to before
Might pop over to Alkmaar on the day just to see the ground from the outside, but I’m a bit unsure of hanging around there during the game as you hear different stories about the locals and we have females and teenagers with us
My missus doesn’t even like football, and she’s already booking up for the Anne Franke thing
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 08, 2023, 04:08:43 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 08, 2023, 05:06:34 PM
Everton League Cup prices were far too high, but thankfully these prices are much more reasonable.there are only too high if it's not a sell out, which I be surprised if it is
Post by: VillaTim on September 08, 2023, 06:12:42 PM
i'm not going , just wondered what Villa fans going can expectYou have to register with Legia to buy online so they’ll probably prevent you buying that way for this game. For any league game in Poland you need to to show passport/ID at the ticket office to buy a ticket and again when you enter the ground, so you’d expect they’ll look to stop you that way too for this game.Is there likely to be violence towards visiting fans. I know they like their flares and fireworks displays but does it extend to violence too ?Has anybody looked in to potentially going in the home end at Legia? Spoke to a Leicester mate who went there two years ago, and they looked in to it at the time as they weren't sure if they'd be given an allocation so soon after Covid.
Legia Warsaw not a place I’d choose to go with the home fans.
Always worth a try though of course.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 08, 2023, 06:31:30 PM
Post by: Philek on September 08, 2023, 06:44:38 PM
Post by: Small Rodent on September 08, 2023, 07:05:30 PM
I’ll start a thread in the Tickets/Travel section of the forum sometime over the weekend with my limited Warsaw knowledge. But it is very Old Town-centric.
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 08, 2023, 07:08:35 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 08, 2023, 07:37:05 PM
Post by: LeeB on September 08, 2023, 07:38:54 PM
I don't understand the discrepancy between the prices for the European games and the League Cup game. I can only think the expectation is the Everton game won't be as big a draw so the club are maximising the income from it which is a bit cynical.
They've made certain it's not a big draw at those prices.
Post by: leylandalbion on September 08, 2023, 07:40:30 PM
I don't understand the discrepancy between the prices for the European games and the League Cup game. I can only think the expectation is the Everton game won't be as big a draw so the club are maximising the income from it which is a bit cynical.Deal guarantees attendances when the last game could be a dead rubber
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 08, 2023, 07:45:37 PM
I don't understand the discrepancy between the prices for the European games and the League Cup game. I can only think the expectation is the Everton game won't be as big a draw so the club are maximising the income from it which is a bit cynical.
It is, and the Everton tickets are over priced, though again mine are not too bad for me and my 13 year old (£43 combined), but its a balancing act complaining about this when the Euro tickets are so reasonable
Post by: darren woolley on September 08, 2023, 10:25:36 PM
Post by: andyh on September 08, 2023, 10:49:05 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 08, 2023, 11:25:59 PM
I suppose if you add the Everton game to the 3 Euro game deal and then average the 4 games, it’s pretty reasonable.
Good way of looking at it. Me and the kids will be at all four, which will take the stress out of trying to get, and being able to afford, league games. Although we’re going to the Brighton game as well.
Post by: Chris Harte on September 08, 2023, 11:44:27 PM
If we beat Eerton, when is the round after?I suppose if you add the Everton game to the 3 Euro game deal and then average the 4 games, it’s pretty reasonable.
Good way of looking at it. Me and the kids will be at all four, which will take the stress out of trying to get, and being able to afford, league games. Although we’re going to the Brighton game as well.
Post by: AV84 on September 08, 2023, 11:59:50 PM
If we beat Eerton, when is the round after?
First week in November, I think. Or week commencing Oct 30th, to be more precise.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 09, 2023, 03:52:54 AM
If we beat Eerton, when is the round after?
First week in November, I think. Or week commencing Oct 30th, to be more precise.
Niiiice, got the week off.
Post by: lennythekad on September 09, 2023, 10:28:56 AM
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Post by: wittonwarrior on September 09, 2023, 10:51:01 AM
Post by: VillaTim on September 09, 2023, 12:10:24 PM
Scandalous after all our hardcore support have sorted out travel arrangementsyou can still watch it in a bar in Warsaw.
Anyone booking flights etc in advance surely takes on board the risk
Post by: Holte L2 on September 09, 2023, 12:35:13 PM
Scandalous after all our hardcore support have sorted out travel arrangementsyou can still watch it in a bar in Warsaw.
Anyone booking flights etc in advance surely takes on board the risk
They could have announced this earlier though to give supporters a decision to make. I've booked up but If I had this news a week ago I might not have.
Post by: VillaTim on September 09, 2023, 12:41:42 PM
yeah i see what you meanScandalous after all our hardcore support have sorted out travel arrangementsyou can still watch it in a bar in Warsaw.
Anyone booking flights etc in advance surely takes on board the risk
They could have announced this earlier though to give supporters a decision to make. I've booked up but If I had this news a week ago I might not have.
Post by: DeKuip on September 09, 2023, 03:19:18 PM
Post by: Ads on September 09, 2023, 04:38:00 PM
Post by: Paul.S on September 09, 2023, 05:50:46 PM
This won't be behind closed doors for first offences. Precedent is suspended for a couple of years. We wouldn't be going out Monday if it was a behind closed doors game.
I’m sure they had a warning a few seasons back against Leicester.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 09, 2023, 05:59:41 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 09, 2023, 06:04:01 PM
Post by: Paul.S on September 09, 2023, 06:11:06 PM
November '21, Leicester. https://sportsleo.com/news/2021/11/leicester-vs-legia-warsaw-europa-league-clash-witnesses-crowd-trouble/
That’s the one. A crowd ban would be a bit harsh on our fans but I wouldn’t rule it out.
Post by: olaftab on September 09, 2023, 06:13:01 PM
Post by: lennythekad on September 09, 2023, 06:40:07 PM
Post by: Holte L2 on September 09, 2023, 07:39:53 PM
They’ve got a rap sheet, as long as your arm. They played Real Madrid behind closed doors a few seasons back and the statement they put out then was more or less word for word as the current one. Word over there amongst some of their fans is it’ll be behind closed doors. Best we can hope for is a closure of the home end for our game.
If they let us in but not their own fans it could really kick off either in the town or outside the ground. I'll be absolutely gutted if we aren't allowed in
Post by: lennythekad on September 09, 2023, 08:34:47 PM
They’ve got a rap sheet, as long as your arm. They played Real Madrid behind closed doors a few seasons back and the statement they put out then was more or less word for word as the current one. Word over there amongst some of their fans is it’ll be behind closed doors. Best we can hope for is a closure of the home end for our game.
If they let us in but not their own fans it could really kick off either in the town or outside the ground. I'll be absolutely gutted if we aren't allowed in
When I say the home end, I just mean the stand behind the goal, where all their problems come from. They’ll sell the other three stands, including the seats they normally keep empty next to the away section. This could mean they’ll close off a no man’s land inside the away section, instead, cutting our allocation.
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Post by: Holte L2 on September 09, 2023, 10:42:05 PM
They’ve got a rap sheet, as long as your arm. They played Real Madrid behind closed doors a few seasons back and the statement they put out then was more or less word for word as the current one. Word over there amongst some of their fans is it’ll be behind closed doors. Best we can hope for is a closure of the home end for our game.
If they let us in but not their own fans it could really kick off either in the town or outside the ground. I'll be absolutely gutted if we aren't allowed in
When I say the home end, I just mean the stand behind the goal, where all their problems come from. They’ll sell the other three stands, including the seats they normally keep empty next to the away section. This could mean they’ll close off a no man’s land inside the away section, instead, cutting our allocation.
(https://i.ibb.co/fCgSG42/IMG-6748.png) (https://ibb.co/fCgSG42)
How many seats do you think that could give us?
Post by: lennythekad on September 10, 2023, 07:57:27 AM
Post by: Ads on September 10, 2023, 06:42:11 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 10, 2023, 09:19:55 PM
Legia Warsaw fans seem to think they may close their main end for the game.What will that achieve
Post by: DeKuip on September 10, 2023, 10:15:42 PM
Post by: lennythekad on September 11, 2023, 01:16:30 PM
Fuckin pisstake.
Post by: lennythekad on September 11, 2023, 01:21:08 PM
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Post by: Ads on September 11, 2023, 01:27:17 PM
Post by: liam on September 11, 2023, 01:57:05 PM
https://x.com/_kjs1874/status/1701185623728538021?t=8-3fS73ZF3zDwmn3U1qVcA&s=08
Fuckin pisstake.
These guys still have to hit the same criteria, they can't just pick the away games they want, need to go to all the aways to maintain the away games.
Post by: lennythekad on September 11, 2023, 02:06:43 PM
https://x.com/_kjs1874/status/1701185623728538021?t=8-3fS73ZF3zDwmn3U1qVcA&s=08
Fuckin pisstake.
These guys still have to hit the same criteria, they can't just pick the away games they want, need to go to all the aways to maintain the away games.
Yeh, but why are they being contacted before in that case?
Post by: andyh on September 11, 2023, 02:07:58 PM
Wankersbet they leave early as well
Post by: LeeB on September 11, 2023, 02:10:51 PM
https://x.com/_kjs1874/status/1701185623728538021?t=8-3fS73ZF3zDwmn3U1qVcA&s=08
Fuckin pisstake.
These guys still have to hit the same criteria, they can't just pick the away games they want, need to go to all the aways to maintain the away games.
That may be true but given the way the commercial department have gone about things recently, I doubt it. Money talks, and they've very much given the impression that they're willing to listen to it.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 11, 2023, 02:16:10 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 11, 2023, 02:17:14 PM
Behind Closed Doors, apart from hospitality?
Closed doors and drawn curtains in this country
Post by: Nev on September 11, 2023, 02:19:42 PM
Runs away...................
Post by: DeKuip on September 11, 2023, 02:20:24 PM
https://x.com/_kjs1874/status/1701185623728538021?t=8-3fS73ZF3zDwmn3U1qVcA&s=08
Fuckin pisstake.
These guys still have to hit the same criteria, they can't just pick the away games they want, need to go to all the aways to maintain the away games.
Do you seriously think that’s the case?
Money buys you the right to queue jump in the world of these people and it stinks.
Post by: Risso on September 11, 2023, 02:26:58 PM
Post by: frank black on September 11, 2023, 02:39:57 PM
Nothing to see here.
Post by: Risso on September 11, 2023, 02:42:00 PM
I get the impression this a pretty standard email and that the corporate member would still need to hit all the appropriate criteria.
Nothing to see here.
It is, and they do.
Post by: Ads on September 11, 2023, 04:25:01 PM
Boooooom!
They're doing 8+ years for 19, 15, 11 before reverting to ST holders with less than 8 years but 19 aways.
Sales criteria suggest if everybody wanted one it would go down to ST with 19 aways, but it will go a bit deeper you'd think than that.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 11, 2023, 04:42:52 PM
Post by: AV82EC on September 11, 2023, 04:47:55 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 11, 2023, 04:54:31 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 11, 2023, 04:57:52 PM
For example if there are 700 with 8 years and 19 aways and 1300 for 8 years and 15 aways, does the 1300 include the 700?
Post by: Ads on September 11, 2023, 04:59:36 PM
At the risk of sounding stupid, how don those eligibility numbers work?
For example if there are 700 with 8 years and 19 aways and 1300 for 8 years and 15 aways, does the 1300 include the 700?
It includes everybody eligible for that category, so the 1300 would include the 700.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 11, 2023, 05:01:46 PM
At the risk of sounding stupid, how don those eligibility numbers work?
For example if there are 700 with 8 years and 19 aways and 1300 for 8 years and 15 aways, does the 1300 include the 700?
It must do. Main reason I think so is when you consider the Bournemouth allocation.
Post by: VillaTim on September 11, 2023, 05:13:41 PM
Post by: Lsvilla on September 11, 2023, 05:19:56 PM
i think this may go to ST holders . Flights are bloody expensiveFingers crossed.
Post by: DeKuip on September 11, 2023, 05:28:06 PM
This doesn’t affect me so not the reason I’m moaning here but will cause arguments come the Bosnia trip I imagine - but how can someone who’s been a STH for 8 years and went to 11 aways last season get priority over someone who went to all 19 but hasn’t had a season ticket as long. That seems to be stacked against younger fans to me.
I wouldnt expect to get priority for a League Cup final ticket because I’m old enough to have gone in 1971 and all the ones after that.
Post by: VillaTim on September 11, 2023, 05:30:03 PM
Post by: Ads on September 11, 2023, 05:32:12 PM
What would happen if someone bought a ticket but then didn't attend . By that i mean they just bought the ticket and threw it in a drawer just to keep their booking history up ??
You can't do that, as we have to collect the tickets in Warsaw on the day of the game.
Post by: andrew08 on September 11, 2023, 05:34:07 PM
Post by: AV82EC on September 11, 2023, 05:36:35 PM
The tickets are issued in Poland. The kicker is people who will buy with no intention of going to keep a record up. It would be criminal if we had 100’s of empty seats because of that and people in bars outside the stadium.
You can’t do that either but I’m unsure on the penalty for doing it.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 11, 2023, 05:37:57 PM
It still doesn’t make sense though that 2,000 could have done 19 away last season as only 1300 could have gone to Bournemouth.
701 and 535 in the two 19 game categories.
Post by: lennythekad on September 11, 2023, 05:41:22 PM
The tickets are issued in Poland. The kicker is people who will buy with no intention of going to keep a record up. It would be criminal if we had 100’s of empty seats because of that and people in bars outside the stadium.
You can’t do that either but I’m unsure on the penalty for doing it.
I’ve read somewhere, if you don’t collect your ticket, you don’t get it recorded against your booking history.
Post by: andrew08 on September 11, 2023, 05:44:55 PM
The tickets are issued in Poland. The kicker is people who will buy with no intention of going to keep a record up. It would be criminal if we had 100’s of empty seats because of that and people in bars outside the stadium.
You can’t do that either but I’m unsure on the penalty for doing it.
I’ve read somewhere, if you don’t collect your ticket, you don’t get it recorded against your booking history.
[/The tickets are issued in Poland. The kicker is people who will buy with no intention of going to keep a record up. It would be criminal if we had 100’s of empty seats because of that and people in bars outside the stadium.
You can’t do that either but I’m unsure on the penalty for doing it.
I’ve read somewhere, if you don’t collect your ticket, you don’t get it recorded against your booking history.
Which is fair, but doesn’t give someone the ticket on the day who genuinely would have gone.
Post by: AV82EC on September 11, 2023, 05:46:33 PM
The tickets are issued in Poland. The kicker is people who will buy with no intention of going to keep a record up. It would be criminal if we had 100’s of empty seats because of that and people in bars outside the stadium.
You can’t do that either but I’m unsure on the penalty for doing it.
I’ve read somewhere, if you don’t collect your ticket, you don’t get it recorded against your booking history.
[/The tickets are issued in Poland. The kicker is people who will buy with no intention of going to keep a record up. It would be criminal if we had 100’s of empty seats because of that and people in bars outside the stadium.
You can’t do that either but I’m unsure on the penalty for doing it.
I’ve read somewhere, if you don’t collect your ticket, you don’t get it recorded against your booking history.
Which is fair, but doesn’t give someone the ticket on the day who genuinely would have gone.
If it doesn’t give you the credit on your booking history then surely no one is that daft to do it?
Post by: DeKuip on September 11, 2023, 05:49:30 PM
Yes I misread that a bit didn’t I!It still doesn’t make sense though that 2,000 could have done 19 away last season as only 1300 could have gone to Bournemouth.
701 and 535 in the two 19 game categories.
Post by: andrew08 on September 11, 2023, 05:49:38 PM
The tickets are issued in Poland. The kicker is people who will buy with no intention of going to keep a record up. It would be criminal if we had 100’s of empty seats because of that and people in bars outside the stadium.
You can’t do that either but I’m unsure on the penalty for doing it.
I’ve read somewhere, if you don’t collect your ticket, you don’t get it recorded against your booking history.
[/The tickets are issued in Poland. The kicker is people who will buy with no intention of going to keep a record up. It would be criminal if we had 100’s of empty seats because of that and people in bars outside the stadium.
You can’t do that either but I’m unsure on the penalty for doing it.
I’ve read somewhere, if you don’t collect your ticket, you don’t get it recorded against your booking history.
Which is fair, but doesn’t give someone the ticket on the day who genuinely would have gone.
If it doesn’t give you the credit on your booking history then surely no one is that daft to do it?
Yes of course!
Post by: VillaTim on September 11, 2023, 07:11:40 PM
The tickets are issued in Poland. The kicker is people who will buy with no intention of going to keep a record up. It would be criminal if we had 100’s of empty seats because of that and people in bars outside the stadium.that's what i was alluding to .
We already know loads of the "19 a season away games group" buy tickets to every game and don't always go but do it to keep up their booking history
Post by: montague on September 11, 2023, 07:25:16 PM
Post by: AV82EC on September 11, 2023, 07:33:43 PM
The tickets are issued in Poland. The kicker is people who will buy with no intention of going to keep a record up. It would be criminal if we had 100’s of empty seats because of that and people in bars outside the stadium.that's what i was alluding to .
We already know loads of the "19 a season away games group" buy tickets to every game and don't always go but do it to keep up their booking history
But as has been said that’s not how European aways work as you physically have to pick the ticket up, if you don’t then it doesn’t count to your booking history. Come on this isn’t rocket science.
Post by: Steve67 on September 11, 2023, 08:11:28 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 11, 2023, 08:36:01 PM
the question was , what is the deterrent and penalty to them booking the tickets , not going and denying another fan a ticket . (i get they have to pick them up , i get they don't count towards booking history )The tickets are issued in Poland. The kicker is people who will buy with no intention of going to keep a record up. It would be criminal if we had 100’s of empty seats because of that and people in bars outside the stadium.that's what i was alluding to .
We already know loads of the "19 a season away games group" buy tickets to every game and don't always go but do it to keep up their booking history
But as has been said that’s not how European aways work as you physically have to pick the ticket up, if you don’t then it doesn’t count to your booking history. Come on this isn’t rocket science.
Post by: VillaTim on September 11, 2023, 08:41:43 PM
I note that Almaar are top of the Eredivisie League after the first three games. Not sure who they've played but am looking forward to watching the game against us in a couple of weeks.They beat Vitesse A 2-0 , the other 2 teams i have literally never heard of (Go Ahead Eagles was one of them ??)
Post by: AV82EC on September 11, 2023, 08:47:09 PM
the question was , what is the deterrent and penalty to them booking the tickets , not going and denying another fan a ticket . (i get they have to pick them up , i get they don't count towards booking history )The tickets are issued in Poland. The kicker is people who will buy with no intention of going to keep a record up. It would be criminal if we had 100’s of empty seats because of that and people in bars outside the stadium.that's what i was alluding to .
We already know loads of the "19 a season away games group" buy tickets to every game and don't always go but do it to keep up their booking history
But as has been said that’s not how European aways work as you physically have to pick the ticket up, if you don’t then it doesn’t count to your booking history. Come on this isn’t rocket science.
You’ve just answered your own question.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 11, 2023, 08:48:27 PM
I note that Almaar are top of the Eredivisie League after the first three games. Not sure who they've played but am looking forward to watching the game against us in a couple of weeks.
They beat Vitesse A 2-0 , the other 2 teams i have literally never heard of (Go Ahead Eagles was one of them ??)
Let's hope we don't hear them mentioned again this weekend.
Post by: VillaTim on September 11, 2023, 08:48:56 PM
what is the penalty ? Hopefully a lengthy ban from buying ticketsthe question was , what is the deterrent and penalty to them booking the tickets , not going and denying another fan a ticket . (i get they have to pick them up , i get they don't count towards booking history )The tickets are issued in Poland. The kicker is people who will buy with no intention of going to keep a record up. It would be criminal if we had 100’s of empty seats because of that and people in bars outside the stadium.that's what i was alluding to .
We already know loads of the "19 a season away games group" buy tickets to every game and don't always go but do it to keep up their booking history
But as has been said that’s not how European aways work as you physically have to pick the ticket up, if you don’t then it doesn’t count to your booking history. Come on this isn’t rocket science.
You’ve just answered your own question.
Post by: VillaTim on September 11, 2023, 08:50:57 PM
the other team was - RKC Waalwijk, yeah me neitherI note that Almaar are top of the Eredivisie League after the first three games. Not sure who they've played but am looking forward to watching the game against us in a couple of weeks.
They beat Vitesse A 2-0 , the other 2 teams i have literally never heard of (Go Ahead Eagles was one of them ??)
Let's hope we don't hear them mentioned again this weekend.
Post by: Ads on September 11, 2023, 09:08:45 PM
Post by: Clampy on September 11, 2023, 09:11:08 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 11, 2023, 09:34:26 PM
Post by: dave shelley on September 11, 2023, 09:40:40 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 11, 2023, 09:45:07 PM
Post by: Lucky Eddie on September 11, 2023, 09:45:59 PM
Unless they are retarded and don't read the small print
That kind of insult is best left in the eighties.
Pretty sure one person could pick up several tickets in Edinburgh.
Post by: VillaTim on September 11, 2023, 09:47:00 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 11, 2023, 09:48:23 PM
How can 1 person pick up several tickets ? I thought it was ID required for every single ticket ?Unless they are retarded and don't read the small print
That kind of insult is best left in the eighties.
Pretty sure one person could pick up several tickets in Edinburgh.
Post by: leylandalbion on September 11, 2023, 10:34:37 PM
Sure if you have a lead booker then they can collect for their family. All my ids are linked..How can 1 person pick up several tickets ? I thought it was ID required for every single ticket ?Unless they are retarded and don't read the small print
That kind of insult is best left in the eighties.
Pretty sure one person could pick up several tickets in Edinburgh.
Post by: VillaTim on September 11, 2023, 10:41:07 PM
So the lead booker could collect the tickets and preserve anyone linked to their account and pass the other tickets on ? Flawed if soSure if you have a lead booker then they can collect for their family. All my ids are linked..How can 1 person pick up several tickets ? I thought it was ID required for every single ticket ?Unless they are retarded and don't read the small print
That kind of insult is best left in the eighties.
Pretty sure one person could pick up several tickets in Edinburgh.
Post by: Legion on September 11, 2023, 10:51:30 PM
Unless they are retarded and don't read the small print
I rarely, if ever, read the small print.
Post by: VillaTim on September 11, 2023, 11:01:38 PM
So in the event someone doesn't read the finer details and book tickets and don't go , do they go unpunished? As they could be denying another fan a ticket , that fan may even be in Warsaw making do with watching in a bar. Whereas the fan booking the ticket to keep up the booking history (they didn't read the small print) gets to carry on as usual . Then there is the lead booker angle now too.Unless they are retarded and don't read the small print
I rarely, if ever, read the small print.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 11, 2023, 11:02:35 PM
Post by: Small Rodent on September 11, 2023, 11:40:39 PM
Unless they are retarded and don't read the small print
Retarded?
Post by: VillaTim on September 11, 2023, 11:47:45 PM
Post by: Legion on September 12, 2023, 12:13:42 AM
As in stupid and "don't " read the small print . Not stupid and "can't " read the small print.
retarded
/rɪˈtɑːdɪd/
adjective
1.
OFFENSIVE•DATED
less advanced in mental, physical, or social development than is usual for one's age.
Post by: VillaTim on September 12, 2023, 12:24:51 AM
stupid
/ˈstjuːpɪd/
adjective
having or showing a great lack of intelligence or common sense.
"I was stupid enough to think she was perfect"
I will certainly apologise if the word is offensive or finds offence it was certainly not aimed that way
Post by: Monty on September 12, 2023, 12:29:24 AM
Post by: VillaTim on September 12, 2023, 12:31:39 AM
Post by: VillaTim on September 12, 2023, 12:35:03 AM
Imagine, Tim, if it were a racial slur instead. Or a homophobic one! 'I said to act like a bumboy not BE a bumboy.' Not really 100% improvement is it?But it was neither of those though . It was used in the same way as the day to day use of stupid or dumb or moronic or fuckwit or twat or idiot . Sift through the thousands or millions of times that has been used
Post by: Monty on September 12, 2023, 12:36:03 AM
In today's language many words are used , take the word "dumb" as an example .
'Dumb' always had a double meaning (German 'dumm' means stupid, not unable to speak); 'retarded', like 'spastic', is different, in that it's now never used to mean what it used to medically speaking, but is an insult related to that old meaning - i.e. mentally disabled.
It's just not one of those you bandy about.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 12, 2023, 12:49:13 AM
Post by: VillaTim on September 12, 2023, 12:55:27 AM
The definition of dumb is doubling down on ones mistake when an apology or retraction would have been smarter. AKA The Rubiales Syndrome.I did apologise as above
Post by: Bad English on September 12, 2023, 06:13:27 AM
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Post by: sid1964 on September 12, 2023, 06:30:26 AM
I am told by some of my Polish work colleagues that if i were going to be very careful where i drink etc...
Post by: Simon Page on September 12, 2023, 09:19:28 AM
Post by: olaftab on September 12, 2023, 09:24:29 AM
I am told by some of my Polish work colleagues that if i were going to be very careful where i drink etc...Oh come on then ask your workmate to give us a clue, like where exactly or where not?
Post by: LeeB on September 12, 2023, 09:29:31 AM
Going back a few pages, Go Ahead Eagles would be my favourite Dutch team if I could be arsed to have favourite foreign teams. Based in Deventer - fantastic city and where they filmed a lot of A Bridge Too Far - they have one of the greatest football names outside Aston. Their ground is a real throwback English effort and they play in the Melchester Rovers strip. The best place in The Netherlands to watch a game.
The most polite name in football. Always had a soft spot for Den Haag myself.
Post by: Simon Page on September 12, 2023, 09:39:25 AM
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on September 12, 2023, 09:54:08 AM
Going back a few pages, Go Ahead Eagles would be my favourite Dutch team if I could be arsed to have favourite foreign teams. Based in Deventer - fantastic city and where they filmed a lot of A Bridge Too Far….
For one game every season, Vitesse Arnhem change from their usual kit and wear a claret and blue version. I think it is in recognition of the Paras and the “ Bridge too Far” Battle of Arnhem. Which is commemorated this month.
Post by: Simon Page on September 12, 2023, 10:16:53 AM
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on September 12, 2023, 10:24:59 AM
Yep, it's the colours of (insert number) Airborne. Claret & blue is everywhere in the city all the time. They should just become Villa fans and be done with it.
They could just change their name to Arnhem Vitesse to become AVFC
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 12, 2023, 10:35:28 AM
What can possibly go wrong 1700 Villa fans queuing for tickets in the middle of Warsaw!!
I am told by some of my Polish work colleagues that if i were going to be very careful where i drink etc...
If I were going - and I am not, because I have auto identified as too 'retarded' (no offence meant, I obviously mean it to mean the other thing, not that one, I thought that was clear) to understand how to pick up the tickets - I wouldn't be thinking about where I would be drinking.
I'd be working up a list of cultural sights I would like to see in a city which must surely rival any other European capital, particularly in terms of the darkest period(s) of the 20th century.
I know different people like different things but being in a new city and spending your time rammed into a pub with people who live two miles from you, singing songs you all sing every week together, I will never understand that.
We get all excited about travelling around Europe to watch football (that bit, I do get) but then treat it exactly the same as a new away in some other new part of the UK, except with cheaper beer (sometimes).
Sheesh.
Post by: LeeB on September 12, 2023, 10:42:06 AM
What can possibly go wrong 1700 Villa fans queuing for tickets in the middle of Warsaw!!
I am told by some of my Polish work colleagues that if i were going to be very careful where i drink etc...
If I were going - and I am not, because I have auto identified as too 'retarded' (no offence meant, I obviously mean it to mean the other thing, not that one, I thought that was clear) to understand how to pick up the tickets - I wouldn't be thinking about where I would be drinking.
I'd be working up a list of cultural sights I would like to see in a city which must surely rival any other European capital, particularly in terms of the darkest period(s) of the 20th century.
I know different people like different things but being in a new city and spending your time rammed into a pub with people who live two miles from you, singing songs you all sing every week together, I will never understand that.
We get all excited about travelling around Europe to watch football (that bit, I do get) but then treat it exactly the same as a new away in some other new part of the UK, except with cheaper beer (sometimes).
Sheesh.
Yeah, bollocks to that.
You find the local town square, get in the fountain, then pavement dance to bewildered commuters.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 12, 2023, 10:44:53 AM
Yeah, bollocks to that.
You find the local town square, get in the fountain, then pavement dance to bewildered commuters.
NOW you're talking.
Post by: DeKuip on September 12, 2023, 11:01:39 AM
What can possibly go wrong 1700 Villa fans queuing for tickets in the middle of Warsaw!!
I am told by some of my Polish work colleagues that if i were going to be very careful where i drink etc...
I'd be working up a list of cultural sights I would like to see in a city which must surely rival any other European capital, particularly in terms of the darkest period(s) of the 20th century.
I know different people like different things but being in a new city and spending your time rammed into a pub with people who live two miles from you, singing songs you all sing every week together, I will never understand that.
We get all excited about travelling around Europe to watch football (that bit, I do get) but then treat it exactly the same as a new away in some other new part of the UK, except with cheaper beer (sometimes).
Sheesh.
Now I’m going to be in a 1700 strong queue to get into the Warsaw Rising Museum. Thanks.
Post by: LeeB on September 12, 2023, 11:11:19 AM
the boys in claret and blue,
we visit sights in Europe,
from Anne Frank's house to the Louvre
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 12, 2023, 11:32:35 AM
Yep, it's the colours of (insert number) Airborne. Claret & blue is everywhere in the city all the time. They should just become Villa fans and be done with it.
They could just change their name to Arnhem Vitesse to become AVFC
Applause!
Post by: algy on September 12, 2023, 11:45:29 AM
Every week we follow,
the boys in claret and blue,
we visit sights in Europe,
from Anne Frank's house to the Louvre
We've seen the Mona Lisa
Michaelangelo's David too
We even saw Manneken Pis
In Nineteen Eighty Two!
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 12, 2023, 11:50:59 AM
What can possibly go wrong 1700 Villa fans queuing for tickets in the middle of Warsaw!!
I am told by some of my Polish work colleagues that if i were going to be very careful where i drink etc...
I'd be working up a list of cultural sights I would like to see in a city which must surely rival any other European capital, particularly in terms of the darkest period(s) of the 20th century.
I know different people like different things but being in a new city and spending your time rammed into a pub with people who live two miles from you, singing songs you all sing every week together, I will never understand that.
We get all excited about travelling around Europe to watch football (that bit, I do get) but then treat it exactly the same as a new away in some other new part of the UK, except with cheaper beer (sometimes).
Sheesh.
Now I’m going to be in a 1700 strong queue to get into the Warsaw Rising Museum. Thanks.
Ha ha ha, excellent!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 12, 2023, 12:06:53 PM
Every week we follow,
the boys in claret and blue,
we visit sights in Europe,
from Anne Frank's house to the Louvre
We've seen the Mona Lisa
Michaelangelo's David too
We even saw Manneken Pis
In Nineteen Eighty Two!
Excellent efforts, but a song with foreign words in it will never catch on.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 12, 2023, 12:17:48 PM
Lots to see my Lord, lots to see
Oh Lord lots to see..
Manneken pissed my Lord...
Post by: Bad English on September 12, 2023, 01:03:17 PM
And I said "Bollocks! Wilanów!
Post by: Villan For Life on September 12, 2023, 01:05:00 PM
Post by: Dave on September 12, 2023, 01:06:53 PM
My old man said "Fryderyk Chopin"
And I said "Bollocks! Wilanów!
"With Banksy and Dali, Sandro Botticelli..."
Post by: LeeB on September 12, 2023, 01:19:07 PM
then you're a bluenose bastard,
and you ain't no friend of mine"
Post by: Drummond on September 12, 2023, 01:35:38 PM
There's only one Mona Lisa....
Post by: papa lazarou on September 12, 2023, 02:16:37 PM
If you are a Titian fan surrender or you'll die
We will follow DaVinci
Post by: Drummond on September 12, 2023, 02:25:32 PM
Vincent Willem Van Gogh,
He's by far the greatest artist, the world has ever seen.
Post by: Clampy on September 12, 2023, 02:30:19 PM
Post by: lennythekad on September 12, 2023, 02:30:21 PM
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Post by: VillaTim on September 12, 2023, 03:02:55 PM
Interesting……i'd say thats a scam
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Post by: Nev on September 12, 2023, 03:09:08 PM
Interesting……
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Alkmaar Terras uitzicht
Post by: olaftab on September 12, 2023, 07:02:54 PM
Quote
The Family Areas are C8, C9, B7 and A8 in the Trinity Road Stand with a ratio of three adults per 1 child
Surely its 3 child tickets per 1 adult?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 12, 2023, 07:07:15 PM
This comment for buying tickets in Family ares on UCEL 3 match matinee tickets page has confused me:QuoteThe Family Areas are C8, C9, B7 and A8 in the Trinity Road Stand with a ratio of three adults per 1 child
Surely its 3 child tickets per 1 adult?
The club's looking to tap into the Chinese market. Like it!
Post by: DeKuip on September 12, 2023, 08:15:13 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 12, 2023, 08:18:55 PM
Post by: Sdwbvf on September 12, 2023, 09:28:09 PM
Yep, it's the colours of (insert number) Airborne. Claret & blue is everywhere in the city all the time. They should just become Villa fans and be done with it.
6th
I have a rather attractive pin badge from pegasus Bridge to go with my Villa ones. My Grandad must have loved wearing it. Well probably didn't think much about the colours as he was chucking himself out of a plane.
Edit: not sure it was the 6th at Arnhem. My Grandad was at the Ardennes not Arnhem.
Post by: Ads on September 12, 2023, 09:36:54 PM
Edit: Jeremy Clarkson did a good documentary on his former father in law, Major Robert Cain, who won the VC there.
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In Holland on 19th September, 1944, Major Cain was commanding a rifle company of the South Staffordshire Regiment during the Battle of Arnhem when his company was cut off from the rest of the battalion and during the next six days was closely engaged with enemy tanks, self-propelled guns and infantry. The Germans made repeated attempts to break into the company position by infiltration and had they succeeded in doing so the whole situation of the Airborne Troops would have been jeopardised.
Major Cain, by his outstanding devotion to duty and remarkable powers of leadership, was to a large extent personally responsible for saving a vital sector from falling into the hands of the enemy.
On 20th September a Tiger tank approached the area held by his company and Major Cain went out alone to deal with it armed with a Piat. Taking up a position he held his fire until the tank was only 20 yards away when he opened up. The tank immediately halted and turned its guns on him, shooting away a corner of the house near where this officer was lying. Although wounded by machine gun bullets and falling masonry, Major Cain continued firing until he had scored several direct hits, immobilised the tank and supervised the bringing up of a 75 mm. howitzer which completely destroyed it. Only then would he consent to have his wounds dressed.
In the next morning this officer drove off three more
tanks by the fearless use of his Piat, on each occasion leaving cover and taking up position in open ground with complete disregard for his personal safety.
During the following days, Major Cain was everywhere where danger threatened, moving amongst his men and encouraging them by his fearless example to hold out. He refused rest and medical attention in spite of the fact that his hearing had been seriously impaired because of a perforated eardrum and he was suffering from multiple wounds.
On 25 September the enemy made a concerted attack on Major Cain's position, using self-propelled guns, flame throwers and infantry. By this time the last Piat had been put out of action and Major Cain was armed with only a light 2" mortar. However, by a skilful use of this weapon and his daring leadership of the few men still under his command, he completely demoralized the enemy who, after an engagement lasting more than three hours, withdrew in disorder.
Throughout the whole course of the Battle of Arnhem, Major Cain showed superb gallantry. His powers of endurance and leadership were the admiration of all his fellow officers and stories of his valour were being constantly exchanged amongst the troops. His coolness and courage under incessant fire could not be surpassed.
Post by: PeterWithe on September 12, 2023, 09:45:01 PM
Caravagg - i- o, i-o, its up the Holte We Go.
Post by: LeeB on September 12, 2023, 10:03:14 PM
You're the greatest,
Holte End say
Da Vinci, Da Vinci
Better than Rembrandt anyway
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 12, 2023, 10:21:49 PM
It was the 1st Airborne Division at Market Garden.
Jeremy Clarkson did a good
And there it is, the singularity. Why are we all still here?!
Post by: liam on September 12, 2023, 10:26:44 PM
So the lead booker could collect the tickets and preserve anyone linked to their account and pass the other tickets on ? Flawed if soSure if you have a lead booker then they can collect for their family. All my ids are linked..How can 1 person pick up several tickets ? I thought it was ID required for every single ticket ?Unless they are retarded and don't read the small print
That kind of insult is best left in the eighties.
Pretty sure one person could pick up several tickets in Edinburgh.
You all had to show your ID and pick up your tickets individually at Hibs, we had one person that had ID for his daughter and had her ticket, she was delayed flying back from holiday, but they would not give the ticket to her dad who had her driving licence.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 12, 2023, 10:49:36 PM
With no hope in your hearts
As you won’t be seeing Van Gough Art
The queue is all round the block.
Post by: DeKuip on September 12, 2023, 11:04:49 PM
I looked at some paintings by Van Gogh
He ate cake and was stoned for hours
I rode a bike and went looking at flowers
There’s windmills and churches, more canals than Venice
But for Anne Frank’s House you’ll have to wait in line
So if you want some fun go window shopping,
Where you’ll meet some friends of mine.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 12, 2023, 11:11:52 PM
My old man smoked weed in Amsterdam
I looked at some paintings by Van Gogh
He ate cake and was stoned for hours
I rode a bike and went looking at flowers
There’s windmills and churches, more canals than Venice
But for Anne Frank’s House you’ll have to wait in line
So if you want some fun go window shopping,
Where you’ll meet some friends of mine.
Marvellous. A worthy addition to a brilliant thread. I’ve been giggling at it all evening.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 12, 2023, 11:28:57 PM
My old man smoked weed in Amsterdam
I looked at some paintings by Van Gogh
He ate cake and was stoned for hours
I rode a bike and went looking at flowers
There’s windmills and churches, more canals than Venice
But for Anne Frank’s House you’ll have to wait in line
So if you want some fun go window shopping,
Where you’ll meet some friends of mine.
Great stuff, we have a winner.
Post by: DeKuip on September 12, 2023, 11:44:43 PM
Chim chiminey
Chim chim cheroo
We’re going to Mostar to look at the view
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 13, 2023, 01:09:24 AM
Post by: Rory on September 13, 2023, 01:26:14 AM
I loved Warsaw. Went to Auschwitz (an experience which is simply indescribable), went to the salt mines (beautiful carvings) and then got driven deep into the woods to fire guns (AK, shotgun, pistol) where I absolutely wasn't shitting myself. Some Polish looking TA in all camo were doing firing drills and watching us shoot which wasn't intimidating at all. I will say though that I found the AK to be far easier to shoot than I imagined, to the point where I thought it was scarily easy. Very attractive women around and relatively cheap, also. Great place to go.
I'd recommend anybody who chooses to go to Auschwitz to donate generously, but forgo the guided tours.
I went as part of a school tour, found it overly commercialised and was misquoted in the Birmingham Mail for good measure. They even cut out my best comment: "the only thing missing is a fast food van called 'Auschwitz Burger-Now".
(https://i.ibb.co/LgB47jx/7-B782-F70-CA54-4-AE8-DF6-DA60-F0-F60-E1-F5-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LgB47jx)
(I'm the fat skinhead.)
Go, think, absorb. Experience it as a human being, not a tourist.
Post by: Axl Rose on September 13, 2023, 01:46:14 AM
I loved Warsaw. Went to Auschwitz (an experience which is simply indescribable), went to the salt mines (beautiful carvings) and then got driven deep into the woods to fire guns (AK, shotgun, pistol) where I absolutely wasn't shitting myself. Some Polish looking TA in all camo were doing firing drills and watching us shoot which wasn't intimidating at all. I will say though that I found the AK to be far easier to shoot than I imagined, to the point where I thought it was scarily easy. Very attractive women around and relatively cheap, also. Great place to go.
I'd recommend anybody who chooses to go to Auschwitz to donate generously, but forgo the guided tours.
I went as part of a school tour, found it overly commercialised and was misquoted in the Birmingham Mail for good measure. They even cut out my best comment: "the only thing missing is a fast food van called 'Auschwitz Burger-Now".
(https://i.ibb.co/LgB47jx/7-B782-F70-CA54-4-AE8-DF6-DA60-F0-F60-E1-F5-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LgB47jx)
(I'm the fat skinhead.)
Go, think, absorb. Experience it as a human being, not a tourist.
I went during the 2006 World Cup.
Extremely interesting, though not as creepy and morbid as I expected. When I was living in Phnom Penh, my balcony overlooked Tuol Sleng. An utterly horrific place.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 13, 2023, 02:00:25 AM
Post by: Rory on September 13, 2023, 02:15:36 AM
Get some space at Birkenau. Take your time. Appreciate the scale. Guided tours simply cannot do justice to something like that.
Post by: algy on September 13, 2023, 06:02:37 AM
My old man smoked weed in AmsterdamBrilliant.
I looked at some paintings by Van Gogh
He ate cake and was stoned for hours
I rode a bike and went looking at flowers
There’s windmills and churches, more canals than Venice
But for Anne Frank’s House you’ll have to wait in line
So if you want some fun go window shopping,
Where you’ll meet some friends of mine.
Post by: algy on September 13, 2023, 06:30:35 AM
Completely agree with Rory here. It's easy enough to get to by public transport. Personally found it quite overwhelming, the Auschwitz II particularly so, but maybe because I just wandered around with thoughts in my head.I loved Warsaw. Went to Auschwitz (an experience which is simply indescribable), went to the salt mines (beautiful carvings) and then got driven deep into the woods to fire guns (AK, shotgun, pistol) where I absolutely wasn't shitting myself. Some Polish looking TA in all camo were doing firing drills and watching us shoot which wasn't intimidating at all. I will say though that I found the AK to be far easier to shoot than I imagined, to the point where I thought it was scarily easy. Very attractive women around and relatively cheap, also. Great place to go.
I'd recommend anybody who chooses to go to Auschwitz to donate generously, but forgo the guided tours.
I went as part of a school tour, found it overly commercialised and was misquoted in the Birmingham Mail for good measure. They even cut out my best comment: "the only thing missing is a fast food van called 'Auschwitz Burger-Now".
(https://i.ibb.co/LgB47jx/7-B782-F70-CA54-4-AE8-DF6-DA60-F0-F60-E1-F5-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LgB47jx)
(I'm the fat skinhead.)
Go, think, absorb. Experience it as a human being, not a tourist.
If you are planning on going - or even if you're not - "If This Is A Man" by Primo Levi is a really powerful book about his experiences there. Italian Jew who fought with the anti-fascist resistance, before being caught and sent there. Was one of the few who survived. I'll not try to paraphrase anything he writes in there, I can't do it justice. But it's an incredible piece. You won't enjoy reading it, but it is such a worthwhile experience.
I'd recommend getting an edition that also has his second book (The Truce) in too, as that covers his absolutely incredible journey home from Auschwitz to Turin, but only after the Russians had marched them all to Belarus (!) first. The majority of published versions include both books. It offers some relatively light relief to the first book.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 13, 2023, 08:51:50 AM
I'd recommend anybody who chooses to go to Auschwitz to donate generously, but forgo the guided tours.
I went as part of a school tour, found it overly commercialised and was misquoted in the Birmingham Mail for good measure. They even cut out my best comment: "the only thing missing is a fast food van called 'Auschwitz Burger-Now".
Served with Arbeit Macht freis?
Post by: Somniloquism on September 13, 2023, 08:56:40 AM
I loved Warsaw. Went to Auschwitz (an experience which is simply indescribable), went to the salt mines (beautiful carvings) and then got driven deep into the woods to fire guns (AK, shotgun, pistol) where I absolutely wasn't shitting myself. Some Polish looking TA in all camo were doing firing drills and watching us shoot which wasn't intimidating at all. I will say though that I found the AK to be far easier to shoot than I imagined, to the point where I thought it was scarily easy. Very attractive women around and relatively cheap, also. Great place to go.
You should do a fans guide on the prostitution rates around Europe.
Post by: Rory on September 13, 2023, 09:24:00 AM
I'd recommend anybody who chooses to go to Auschwitz to donate generously, but forgo the guided tours.
I went as part of a school tour, found it overly commercialised and was misquoted in the Birmingham Mail for good measure. They even cut out my best comment: "the only thing missing is a fast food van called 'Auschwitz Burger-Now".
Served with Arbeit Macht freis?
Very good.
Post by: Somniloquism on September 13, 2023, 09:41:01 AM
I went as part of a school tour, found it overly commercialised and was misquoted in the Birmingham Mail for good measure. They even cut out my best comment: "the only thing missing is a fast food van called 'Auschwitz Burger-Now".
Fury as Villa Fan goes to Auschwitz and bemoans lack of burger places.
They saluted Hitler as well.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 13, 2023, 10:01:11 AM
I'd recommend anybody who chooses to go to Auschwitz to donate generously, but forgo the guided tours.
I went as part of a school tour, found it overly commercialised and was misquoted in the Birmingham Mail for good measure. They even cut out my best comment: "the only thing missing is a fast food van called 'Auschwitz Burger-Now".
I disagree with that. I’d say the guided tour was essential, the one we had was excellent. She was clearly a jew herself and knew her stuff. My guess is that school parties are treated differently than other tour groups. There was nothing tacky or commercial about the tour I attended. I found Birkenau more moving. Less visitors than Auschwitz but the footprint of the site gives you the immenseness of the place. The train track which you can walk along and you’re asked to stop where the passengers got off and were told left or right is a shuddering moment. I didn’t find it upsetting as I knew what to expect but actually being there resonates. I’m glad I went and recommend others to go if you are in the vicinity.
Post by: Monty on September 13, 2023, 10:06:32 AM
Post by: womble on September 13, 2023, 10:34:49 AM
I've seen idiots taking selfies there and it just made me want to scream. Not photos - ecstatic, demented selfies with the dumb tongue-faces and some vacuous little kawaii hand gesture. I really don't understand people sometimes.
Probably the sort that would have made unthinking camp guards.
Post by: DeKuip on September 13, 2023, 11:14:49 AM
I went from Krakow and agree with previous posters that Birkenau hits you more powerfully. I would recommend a guide as there’s so much you could miss without, and to expect it not to be touristy is not really realistic. Someone on our minibus moaned that her day was spoilt by seeing so many fat tourists - which made me wonder who she was expecting to be walking around with! She was probably also surprised that the sun was out and everywhere was in full colour.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 13, 2023, 12:24:49 PM
I loved Warsaw. Went to Auschwitz (an experience which is simply indescribable), went to the salt mines (beautiful carvings) and then got driven deep into the woods to fire guns (AK, shotgun, pistol) where I absolutely wasn't shitting myself. Some Polish looking TA in all camo were doing firing drills and watching us shoot which wasn't intimidating at all. I will say though that I found the AK to be far easier to shoot than I imagined, to the point where I thought it was scarily easy. Very attractive women around and relatively cheap, also. Great place to go.
You should do a fans guide on the prostitution rates around Europe.
Hahaha.
And DeKuip is right, I completely forgot that it was Krakow when I went to both Auschwitz and the salt mines. Completely got mixed up, Warsaw still great though, so is Krakow.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 13, 2023, 12:29:18 PM
And DeKuip is right, I completely forgot that it was Krakow when I went to both Auschwitz and the salt mines. Completely got mixed up, Warsaw still great though, so is Krakow.
Haven't been to Krakow but my Mom and sister and sister went and they were very impressed with the salt mines. Thought it was well worth a visit.
Post by: Somniloquism on September 13, 2023, 12:39:19 PM
I've seen idiots taking selfies there and it just made me want to scream. Not photos - ecstatic, demented selfies with the dumb tongue-faces and some vacuous little kawaii hand gesture. I really don't understand people sometimes.
Just tut and mumble about respect, don't feel it is an outrage apparently.
Post by: algy on September 13, 2023, 12:56:58 PM
They really are impressive. Been twice - the chapel thing doesn't lose any of it's impact the second time round. Also far away, but can highly recommend Gdansk/Sopot as a holiday destination in Poland. The northern - I assume - version of polish dumplings (big baked ones) are lovely. Polish dumpings are generally bloody great, though.And DeKuip is right, I completely forgot that it was Krakow when I went to both Auschwitz and the salt mines. Completely got mixed up, Warsaw still great though, so is Krakow.
Haven't been to Krakow but my Mom and sister and sister went and they were very impressed with the salt mines. Thought it was well worth a visit.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 13, 2023, 12:59:23 PM
And DeKuip is right, I completely forgot that it was Krakow when I went to both Auschwitz and the salt mines. Completely got mixed up, Warsaw still great though, so is Krakow.
Haven't been to Krakow but my Mom and sister and sister went and they were very impressed with the salt mines. Thought it was well worth a visit.
They're right, the chapels carved from the salt are beautiful.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 13, 2023, 01:07:12 PM
I loved Warsaw. Went to Auschwitz (an experience which is simply indescribable), went to the salt mines (beautiful carvings) and then got driven deep into the woods to fire guns (AK, shotgun, pistol) where I absolutely wasn't shitting myself. Some Polish looking TA in all camo were doing firing drills and watching us shoot which wasn't intimidating at all. I will say though that I found the AK to be far easier to shoot than I imagined, to the point where I thought it was scarily easy. Very attractive women around and relatively cheap, also. Great place to go.
(https://i.ibb.co/LgB47jx/7-B782-F70-CA54-4-AE8-DF6-DA60-F0-F60-E1-F5-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LgB47jx)
(I'm the fat skinhead.)
Go, think, absorb. Experience it as a human being, not a tourist.
Have you ever seen the comedy series Ladhood? You look and have the vibe of the really intelligent skinhead bully in it. I'd recommend it if you haven't, very age appropriate for us and I just really like Liam Williams.
Post by: Rory on September 13, 2023, 04:11:41 PM
I'd recommend anybody who chooses to go to Auschwitz to donate generously, but forgo the guided tours.
I went as part of a school tour, found it overly commercialised and was misquoted in the Birmingham Mail for good measure. They even cut out my best comment: "the only thing missing is a fast food van called 'Auschwitz Burger-Now".
I disagree with that. I’d say the guided tour was essential, the one we had was excellent. She was clearly a jew herself and knew her stuff. My guess is that school parties are treated differently than other tour groups. There was nothing tacky or commercial about the tour I attended. I found Birkenau more moving. Less visitors than Auschwitz but the footprint of the site gives you the immenseness of the place. The train track which you can walk along and you’re asked to stop where the passengers got off and were told left or right is a shuddering moment. I didn’t find it upsetting as I knew what to expect but actually being there resonates. I’m glad I went and recommend others to go if you are in the vicinity.
Fair enough, maybe as a school tour we were spoken down to a little, as you suggest. Our guide was excellent as well, I just didn't find there was any time for contemplation.
Post by: Rory on September 13, 2023, 04:12:29 PM
I loved Warsaw. Went to Auschwitz (an experience which is simply indescribable), went to the salt mines (beautiful carvings) and then got driven deep into the woods to fire guns (AK, shotgun, pistol) where I absolutely wasn't shitting myself. Some Polish looking TA in all camo were doing firing drills and watching us shoot which wasn't intimidating at all. I will say though that I found the AK to be far easier to shoot than I imagined, to the point where I thought it was scarily easy. Very attractive women around and relatively cheap, also. Great place to go.
(https://i.ibb.co/LgB47jx/7-B782-F70-CA54-4-AE8-DF6-DA60-F0-F60-E1-F5-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LgB47jx)
(I'm the fat skinhead.)
Go, think, absorb. Experience it as a human being, not a tourist.
Have you ever seen the comedy series Ladhood? You look and have the vibe of the really intelligent skinhead bully in it. I'd recommend it if you haven't, very age appropriate for us and I just really like Liam Williams.
I haven't but I'll give it a go. I like the 'really intelligent' bit 😉
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 13, 2023, 04:16:43 PM
I loved Warsaw. Went to Auschwitz (an experience which is simply indescribable), went to the salt mines (beautiful carvings) and then got driven deep into the woods to fire guns (AK, shotgun, pistol) where I absolutely wasn't shitting myself. Some Polish looking TA in all camo were doing firing drills and watching us shoot which wasn't intimidating at all. I will say though that I found the AK to be far easier to shoot than I imagined, to the point where I thought it was scarily easy. Very attractive women around and relatively cheap, also. Great place to go.
(https://i.ibb.co/LgB47jx/7-B782-F70-CA54-4-AE8-DF6-DA60-F0-F60-E1-F5-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LgB47jx)
(I'm the fat skinhead.)
Go, think, absorb. Experience it as a human being, not a tourist.
Have you ever seen the comedy series Ladhood? You look and have the vibe of the really intelligent skinhead bully in it. I'd recommend it if you haven't, very age appropriate for us and I just really like Liam Williams.
I haven't but I'll give it a go. I like the 'really intelligent' bit 😉
Ha, yeah! He's roughly our age and it's about his adolescence so quite a bit should resonate. On iPlayer.
I get your point about Auschwitz as well as there is certainly a churning through of tourists. I personally didn't feel rushed though but I was in my 20's.
Post by: olaftab on September 13, 2023, 04:43:19 PM
I don't see a fat person in this photo. I do see a decent human being and a malnourished child alongside him.
I'd recommend anybody who chooses to go to Auschwitz to donate generously, but forgo the guided tours.
(https://i.ibb.co/LgB47jx/7-B782-F70-CA54-4-AE8-DF6-DA60-F0-F60-E1-F5-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LgB47jx)
(I'm the fat skinhead.)
Post by: Ads on September 13, 2023, 05:05:05 PM
Very excited!
Edit: you can choose the upper tier, just went back on. 1100 left so most of the first tranche that could purchase appear to have dived on early doors.
Edit 2: their main end is under a 2 year suspended sentence of being shut, plus a €40,000 fine.
Post by: Rory on September 13, 2023, 05:06:36 PM
I don't see a fat person in this photo. I do see a decent human being and a malnourished child alongside him.
I'd recommend anybody who chooses to go to Auschwitz to donate generously, but forgo the guided tours.
(https://i.ibb.co/LgB47jx/7-B782-F70-CA54-4-AE8-DF6-DA60-F0-F60-E1-F5-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LgB47jx)
(I'm the fat skinhead.)
Haha!
He's a nose (a decent one), so that might explain the malnourished bit.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 13, 2023, 07:16:56 PM
You'll need your passport number and your fan ID to buy one. They're selling the lower tier first by the looks of things. £18.61 so guess it was €20 not £20.
Very excited!
Edit: you can choose the upper tier, just went back on. 1100 left so most of the first tranche that could purchase appear to have dived on early doors.
Edit 2: their main end is under a 2 year suspended sentence of being shut, plus a €40,000 fine.
Direct link buypassing the disabled BUY button for those who don't qualify:
https://tickets.avfc.co.uk/en-GB/events/legia%20warszawa%20v%20aston%20villa/2023-9-21_17.45/stadium%20of%20liga%20warsaw
You won't be able to order btw, just see how many left.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 13, 2023, 07:17:20 PM
Post by: AV82EC on September 13, 2023, 07:53:27 PM
Post by: Holte L2 on September 13, 2023, 08:01:44 PM
You'll need your passport number and your fan ID to buy one. They're selling the lower tier first by the looks of things. £18.61 so guess it was €20 not £20.
Very excited!
Edit: you can choose the upper tier, just went back on. 1100 left so most of the first tranche that could purchase appear to have dived on early doors.
Edit 2: their main end is under a 2 year suspended sentence of being shut, plus a €40,000 fine.
All done. by 5.10pm here. Very painless process. Very excited!!
Post by: Lsvilla on September 13, 2023, 08:26:35 PM
^^^ 962 at the moment.994 I make it. Less optimistic than I was though by far.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 13, 2023, 09:23:59 PM
^^^ 962 at the moment.994 I make it. Less optimistic than I was though by far.
Just saw, i still had the browser tab open from this afternoon when it said: Upper 359, lower 603
Currently it says Upper 382, lower 606.
So I'd take using those figures to guess what level they get down to with a pinch of salt.
Post by: VillaTim on September 13, 2023, 09:29:24 PM
Post by: Lsvilla on September 13, 2023, 10:00:54 PM
Post by: olaftab on September 13, 2023, 10:26:12 PM
Hopeful. But less than confident. Any updates welcomed as people join the criteria.Worried now😥
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 13, 2023, 10:29:52 PM
AZ, piece of piss to get to, usual suspects, be little different to going to arsenal.
Legia, bit trickier trip, might just make STH's.
Zrinjski, where the f***s that, even with a small allocation could possibly go to general sale.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 13, 2023, 10:30:23 PM
Post by: AV82EC on September 13, 2023, 10:46:04 PM
I reckon we won't sell out Warsaw.
If the proportion eligible in each criteria purchasing stays the same before it gets to STHs then STHs will definitely snap up the rest I’d say.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 13, 2023, 10:53:18 PM
My prediction for tickets is that they'll sell out pretty sharpish on Thursday when they hit general ST holders.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 13, 2023, 11:01:26 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 14, 2023, 07:46:08 AM
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2023, 10:39:33 AM
Still 960 left.
Post by: john2710 on September 14, 2023, 10:45:40 AM
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2023, 10:57:23 AM
Post by: john e on September 14, 2023, 11:03:34 AM
And does anyone think it will get down to Just season-ticket holders ?
Post by: AV82EC on September 14, 2023, 11:26:40 AM
How many will we get for Alkmaar ?
And does anyone think it will get down to Just season-ticket holders ?
Alkmaar allocation is even less, STH only have no chance.
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2023, 11:32:55 AM
Post by: Holte L2 on September 14, 2023, 11:46:54 AM
How many will we get for Alkmaar ?
And does anyone think it will get down to Just season-ticket holders ?
975 is the rumoured number.
Post by: john e on September 14, 2023, 12:00:05 PM
How many will we get for Alkmaar ?
And does anyone think it will get down to Just season-ticket holders ?
Alkmaar allocation is even less, STH only have no chance.
Yeah thought so
Still going though
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2023, 12:28:28 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 14, 2023, 12:43:43 PM
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2023, 12:53:22 PM
Post by: AV82EC on September 14, 2023, 12:55:58 PM
Said before, Madrid in 98 and Hamburg in 08 aside, by and large we've never taken big numbers anywhere in Europe.
I’m feeling more positive but not going to get carried away.
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on September 14, 2023, 01:24:07 PM
Said before, Madrid in 98 and Hamburg in 08 aside, by and large we've never taken big numbers anywhere in Europe.
True, but the demand for away tickets in general is way higher these days, than then. So I’d expect our numbers to be higher now.
As an example, Boro away in April 04 (Crouch scored a late winner), we decided to go the night before and paid on the day as we hadn’t sold our allocation. Unthinkable now, and we were chasing top 4 at the time.
Post by: simboy on September 14, 2023, 01:44:15 PM
Lets hope we do sell out but it does add to the growing evidence of getting it right on the pitch ... needs improvement off the pitch.
Post by: Clampy on September 14, 2023, 01:50:37 PM
Said before, Madrid in 98 and Hamburg in 08 aside, by and large we've never taken big numbers anywhere in Europe.
True, but the demand for away tickets in general is way higher these days, than then. So I’d expect our numbers to be higher now.
As an example, Boro away in April 04 (Crouch scored a late winner), we decided to go the night before and paid on the day as we hadn’t sold our allocation. Unthinkable now, and we were chasing top 4 at the time.
I was there. Keeper saved a De La Cruz shot from memory, keeper's save falls to Crouch and the away go mental.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 14, 2023, 01:51:04 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on September 14, 2023, 01:52:21 PM
Post by: liam on September 14, 2023, 02:25:20 PM
The fact that they are absolute nut jobs over there, with quite the reputation might put a few of our fans off too.... and on that note, it could get messy if some of the coked up idiots in our fanbase, seen on recent away trips, start shouting their mouths off, as they're likely to meet their match.I'm booked to be out there from Wednesday morning and was aware of their reputation, but still assumed we would be ok if you were sensible (like most away days) then i stumbled on a post when Rangers were there in 2019 and the guidelines they were issued with - Yikes! No going north of the stadium, no dinking in bars, a fan zone was set up for them in a field with a beer tent and Police presence at the fan zone, hoping its a bit over the top but i will be super careful on match day...no advice from the Villa yet! I also saw the Newcastlfe fans group have arranged a series of bars in Milan they can visit and put flags out etc with some level of saftey, be very interesting where villa fans have to pick the tickets up from to see if we can do similar as happened in Scotland for hibs
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2023, 02:27:53 PM
Said before, Madrid in 98 and Hamburg in 08 aside, by and large we've never taken big numbers anywhere in Europe.
True, but the demand for away tickets in general is way higher these days, than then. So I’d expect our numbers to be higher now.
As an example, Boro away in April 04 (Crouch scored a late winner), we decided to go the night before and paid on the day as we hadn’t sold our allocation. Unthinkable now, and we were chasing top 4 at the time.
Down to 10 men as well weren't we if I recall. UDLC had been on a Maradona style run. Good times!
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2023, 02:28:55 PM
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2023, 02:36:45 PM
The fact that they are absolute nut jobs over there, with quite the reputation might put a few of our fans off too.... and on that note, it could get messy if some of the coked up idiots in our fanbase, seen on recent away trips, start shouting their mouths off, as they're likely to meet their match.I'm booked to be out there from Wednesday morning and was aware of their reputation, but still assumed we would be ok if you were sensible (like most away days) then i stumbled on a post when Rangers were there in 2019 and the guidelines they were issued with - Yikes! No going north of the stadium, no dinking in bars, a fan zone was set up for them in a field with a beer tent and Police presence at the fan zone, hoping its a bit over the top but i will be super careful on match day...no advice from the Villa yet! I also saw the Newcastlfe fans group have arranged a series of bars in Milan they can visit and put flags out etc with some level of saftey, be very interesting where villa fans have to pick the tickets up from to see if we can do similar as happened in Scotland for hibs
Bladen had 4 other spotters from WMP with him, which was massive overkill, but perhaps a bit of training (his last season with us). In Vienna we had a Met spotter and a local Viennese guy (with a bum bag, so he looked very conspicuous).
I suspect they'll want us to drink where they hand out the tickets as its easy to manage. Was easy in Prague and Hamburg. Only bother we've had post-Madrid (which was our Stone Island before it was Stone Island fault) was Vienna first time when they bounded down to the bar, piled in, said nothing, then nicked a big Sutton Coldfield flag.
With Rangers, you've got to factor in they're absolute twats themselves, so far more likely to rub locals up the wrong way. That said, regardless of how well behaved we are as a travelling support, the curious locals think you're a hooligan by default.
Post by: Clampy on September 14, 2023, 02:42:32 PM
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2023, 02:43:51 PM
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on September 14, 2023, 02:45:25 PM
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2023, 02:51:36 PM
Post by: eamonn on September 14, 2023, 02:52:15 PM
I reckon we won't sell out Warsaw.
They already sold-out when they changed to Joy Division.
Post by: darren woolley on September 14, 2023, 03:10:06 PM
I reckon we won't sell out Warsaw.
They already sold-out when they changed to Joy Division.
Very good I like it.
Post by: liam on September 14, 2023, 03:11:47 PM
I have a hotel provisionally booked but have just seen the price of flights has since gone up considerably.Have yout tried flying to Poznan, then getting the train to Warsaw for £10....was much cheaper. I'm flying from Leeds as it was about £170 with WizzAir...probably be cancelled last minute knowing my experience of Wizz Air!
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on September 14, 2023, 04:10:05 PM
Said before, Madrid in 98 and Hamburg in 08 aside, by and large we've never taken big numbers anywhere in Europe.
True, but the demand for away tickets in general is way higher these days, than then. So I’d expect our numbers to be higher now.
As an example, Boro away in April 04 (Crouch scored a late winner), we decided to go the night before and paid on the day as we hadn’t sold our allocation. Unthinkable now, and we were chasing top 4 at the time.
I was there. Keeper saved a De La Cruz shot from memory, keeper's save falls to Crouch and the away go mental.
Correct. Then my mate got arrested for hugging Crouch in the celebrations! The Boro police were wankers. They nicked a few Villa fans (for celebrating a goal next to the pitch, not on it) then released them once the last train back to Brum had left.
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2023, 04:14:13 PM
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on September 14, 2023, 04:18:46 PM
The fact that they are absolute nut jobs over there, with quite the reputation might put a few of our fans off too.... and on that note, it could get messy if some of the coked up idiots in our fanbase, seen on recent away trips, start shouting their mouths off, as they're likely to meet their match.I'm booked to be out there from Wednesday morning and was aware of their reputation, but still assumed we would be ok if you were sensible (like most away days) then i stumbled on a post when Rangers were there in 2019 and the guidelines they were issued with - Yikes! No going north of the stadium, no dinking in bars, a fan zone was set up for them in a field with a beer tent and Police presence at the fan zone, hoping its a bit over the top but i will be super careful on match day...no advice from the Villa yet! I also saw the Newcastlfe fans group have arranged a series of bars in Milan they can visit and put flags out etc with some level of saftey, be very interesting where villa fans have to pick the tickets up from to see if we can do similar as happened in Scotland for hibs
Bladen had 4 other spotters from WMP with him, which was massive overkill, but perhaps a bit of training (his last season with us). In Vienna we had a Met spotter and a local Viennese guy (with a bum bag, so he looked very conspicuous).
I suspect they'll want us to drink where they hand out the tickets as its easy to manage. Was easy in Prague and Hamburg. Only bother we've had post-Madrid (which was our Stone Island before it was Stone Island fault) was Vienna first time when they bounded down to the bar, piled in, said nothing, then nicked a big Sutton Coldfield flag.
With Rangers, you've got to factor in they're absolute twats themselves, so far more likely to rub locals up the wrong way. That said, regardless of how well behaved we are as a travelling support, the curious locals think you're a hooligan by default.
Only time I’ve been to Poland was with England in Katowice, 20 years ago. England fans were asked not to drink in the city centre as it could be too dodgy. That was never going to happen and it was okay in fairness, however the taxi driver deliberately dropped us outside the home end rather than the away end! That was very moody indeed and some police took us to the England end. Atmosphere inside (we were right next to the Poles) was also very hostile, but impressive.
An ex colleague of mine went to Warsaw with Leicester recently. Said it was the loudest ground he’s ever been in.
Post by: Small Rodent on September 14, 2023, 04:19:50 PM
i know, i know stop laughing at the back!
Post by: dorsetvillian on September 14, 2023, 04:44:44 PM
Post by: dorsetvillian on September 14, 2023, 04:45:21 PM
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2023, 04:45:41 PM
Silly question, but when is general sale?
i know, i know stop laughing at the back!
No criteria for that yet, but there's a possibility of it tomorrow/Saturday.
Post by: AV82EC on September 14, 2023, 04:57:43 PM
Silly question, but when is general sale?
i know, i know stop laughing at the back!
No criteria for that yet, but there's a possibility of it tomorrow/Saturday.
Wouldn’t it be Claret members first?
Post by: Small Rodent on September 14, 2023, 05:05:11 PM
Here are a few things I know about Warsaw from my minimal knowledge.
Personally, I am very lucky as I have a sister-in-law and niece that in school term time live in the Old Town. My knowledge is mainly of that area and a few things further afield. But, this will be my base of operations.
Travel
If you fly to Chopin Airport, you are basically on the edge of the city and there will be numerous busses etc. to get where you are going.
I fly to Modlin Airport and take the shuttle bus from the airport to the Modlin train station. From there, trains to Warszawa Centralna are frequent. Ticket machines in the airport are easy to use and English language can be selected. Depending upon where you are staying, it is a hub for many bus routes and there are loads of cabs available. If it’s nice and not laden with luggage you can walk to Old Town in 30 minutes.
The Metro system is very simple. Nearest Metro to the Central station is Centrum (about 5 minutes’ walk from the front of the station). The nearest station to Old Town is Ratusz Arsenal followed by a 10 minute walk.
The Metro station Swietokrzyska is basically where the North-South and East-West Metro lines cross.
Food, Drink etc.
Food - you’re basically spoiled for choice! I’ve never had anything bad to eat and you will have no problem finding somewhere to suit your tastes. I have had one of the best Pasta Arabiattas outside of Italy in Warsaw.
My family live a few doors from the WarSaw pub in Old Town. It has a very rowdy cellar (karaoke) and some pool rooms upstairs…not sure about TVs for football but I’ll update before next Thursday as I arrive on Tuesday. I like the chaos of this place, though. There are a couple of nice little craft beer pubs (one is called Same Krafty) opposite each other on Nowomiejska in Old Town. And a few doors down is a marvellous little antique/junk shop full of Soviet and Nazi era stuff. Some expensive, some just cheap tat, but it’s always worth a browse. The main square in Old Town has loads of café-bars to choose from. For a late night “strange” drink in Old Town I cannot advise further than the Podwale Bar and Books situated on Waski Dunaj (again a few doors from “my gaff”). It is a wood-panelled whiskey bar that allows the smoking of cigars in doors. The bar staff treat customers as though you are in a Mayfair club (or how I imagine one to be). They only sell a couple of beers and they play subtitled Bond movies on a loop (volume down). It is cash only with a cashpoint outside the entrance. Gangsters? Maybe.
Further in town I have been in a few craft beer places, often down little side streets. If that’s your sort of thing, I have often been in “The Taps” (situated on Henryka Sienkiewicza) waiting for my niece to come out of her lessons and it is a pleasant place. Jabeerwocky on Nowogrodzka is also fine.
Warsaw is big and you’ll find somewhere you like. If you like Vodka there is a Vodka museum on the corner of Senatorska and Wierzbowa.
For those with an interest in history
On the bus from Modlin Airport to train station lookout for all the big brick structures, some built into the side of hills. Also on the train as it leaves Modlin look for the big brick buildings as you cross the river. This is Modlin Fort, the biggest in Europe, first built by Napoleon on his march to Moscow. The airport and town of Modlin are within the fort itself.
A neat walking tour is from the statue outside Ibis Hotel Old Town to the Jewish Museum. The statue is dedicated to those deported to the east under communism. A walk along the road named Stawki takes you to the monument to those deported to Treblinka. It is called the Umschlagplatz and it is the site of the marshalling yard collection point before being put on trains. Cross the road and head down Karmelicka and turn left onto Mila brings you to the memorial “Mila 18”. It is the site of the last survivors of the Ghetto Uprising and one of the HQs of the fighters. The bodies were left there as a war grave. Leon Uris wrote a novel called Mila 18. A short walk from here along Ludwika Zamenhofa brings you to POLIN – Museum of the history of Polish Jews. A fascinating building in itself, let alone the story told inside. It costs less than a tenner.
The Ghetto uprising was April 1942 to May 1943. Whilst walking the streets try to imagine that most of the area north of the central station to south of the Ibis Hotel Old Town and east of the main north-south road General Andersa was the Jewish Ghetto. Occasionally you will come across markings along streets and pavements that show the route of the ghetto wall. North east corner of the ghetto is between the Ibis Hotel and Polonia football ground. From May 1943 onwards this whole area would have been rubble. Just south of the Ibis and near the road called Bonifraterska was a mini concentration camp for the remaining Jews in Warsaw kept there for work.
Warsaw Uprising Museum (Muzeum Powstania Warszawskiego) is excellent. Well worth a visit. A short walk from Metro station Rondo Daszynskiego. The Warsaw Uprising monument is very impressive, situated on the corner of Dluga and Miodowa. A short walk will take you into Old Town and it’s churches and museums. This whole area was reduced to rubble too, but unlike the ghetto was rebuilt in its original architecture. All over Warsaw you will see plaques on walls to this period; so if you see “35 Osob” it means 35 people killed here, sometimes part of the fighting, sometimes in reprisals.
General Stuff
Remember to tip! 5 zloty is roughly £1.
A lot of places only do table service.
Always wait for the green man before crossing! You will notice most people follow this rule strictly.
Buy a 3 or 5 day travel pass ticket and keep it safe. It’ll cost you less than £10 and you can use on Metro, tram and bus. Ticket machines are at a lot of stops and easy to use with an English option.
On first use get it stamped buy the machine on the bus or tram. It is then valid for the number of days from that time.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 14, 2023, 05:16:25 PM
Said before, Madrid in 98 and Hamburg in 08 aside, by and large we've never taken big numbers anywhere in Europe.
True, but the demand for away tickets in general is way higher these days, than then. So I’d expect our numbers to be higher now.
Although nowadays, people will have to budget for the 3 rounds post-Xmas plus the Final.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 14, 2023, 05:18:34 PM
I have a hotel provisionally booked but have just seen the price of flights has since gone up considerably.
Have yout tried flying to Poznan, then getting the train to Warsaw for £10....was much cheaper.
Thought about that, but I don't like rear facing seats.
Post by: Risso on September 14, 2023, 05:30:45 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 14, 2023, 05:40:25 PM
Great post Small Rodent, really good of you.
Agreed. Not going myself, but a quick summary like this covering the important bits is great when you're not familiar with a city.
Post by: Risso on September 14, 2023, 05:58:51 PM
edit: just reappeared.
Post by: Risso on September 14, 2023, 06:01:20 PM
Post by: olaftab on September 14, 2023, 06:06:30 PM
Post by: shirley_villan on September 14, 2023, 06:06:46 PM
Post by: olaftab on September 14, 2023, 06:09:05 PM
(Area Upper Tier, row 21, seat 1)
Post by: Lsvilla on September 14, 2023, 06:14:39 PM
Post by: Skerra on September 14, 2023, 06:16:57 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 14, 2023, 06:17:35 PM
Post by: CT on September 14, 2023, 06:31:23 PM
Post by: AV82EC on September 14, 2023, 06:46:46 PM
Post by: BlackCountryVilla on September 14, 2023, 07:14:52 PM
Post by: rjp on September 14, 2023, 07:19:18 PM
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 14, 2023, 07:59:00 PM
1 ticket left right now - be quick!!9 when I just looked!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 14, 2023, 08:02:57 PM
Post by: AV82EC on September 14, 2023, 08:09:19 PM
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2023, 08:12:29 PM
This is going to be a cracking trip. I met my first H&Ver in Prague. He was dancing on a phone box. Feel free to buy me a pint chaps.
Post by: olaftab on September 14, 2023, 08:44:51 PM
Yes excellent info SR, thank you.Great post Small Rodent, really good of you.
Agreed. Not going myself, but a quick summary like this covering the important bits is great when you're not familiar with a city.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on September 14, 2023, 09:46:44 PM
Wad saying sold out, but 6 more back on sale. Edit now gone.
This is going to be a cracking trip. I met my first H&Ver in Prague. He was dancing on a phone box. Feel free to buy me a pint chaps.
Who was that then, I remember someone on top of a phone box?
Post by: Rory on September 14, 2023, 09:49:01 PM
Wad saying sold out, but 6 more back on sale. Edit now gone.
This is going to be a cracking trip. I met my first H&Ver in Prague. He was dancing on a phone box. Feel free to buy me a pint chaps.
Who was that then, I remember someone on top of a phone box?
Dave W trying to get his change.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on September 14, 2023, 09:57:46 PM
Said before, Madrid in 98 and Hamburg in 08 aside, by and large we've never taken big numbers anywhere in Europe.
True, but the demand for away tickets in general is way higher these days, than then. So I’d expect our numbers to be higher now.
As an example, Boro away in April 04 (Crouch scored a late winner), we decided to go the night before and paid on the day as we hadn’t sold our allocation. Unthinkable now, and we were chasing top 4 at the time.
I was there. Keeper saved a De La Cruz shot from memory, keeper's save falls to Crouch and the away go mental.
Correct. Then my mate got arrested for hugging Crouch in the celebrations! The Boro police were wankers. They nicked a few Villa fans (for celebrating a goal next to the pitch, not on it) then released them once the last train back to Brum had left.
Must have been the same trip we went on. Mini bus from Water Orton, our mate got arrested for falling over the barrier at the front. Let out after the last train had left, we stopped in Leeds on the way back to wait for him, when he turned up the rozzers had confiscated his shoes and in there place he was wearing some plimsolls like he was about to do gym class in junior school.
Post by: olaftab on September 14, 2023, 09:59:15 PM
Yes ! Kept refreshing and got 2 - upper tier row 7 ! See you in another country again Olaftab !Honestly I am not stalking you😂
Post by: Pat McMahon on September 14, 2023, 10:18:03 PM
I've also posted this in the Away section, but thought I might as well put it here too:
Here are a few things I know about Warsaw from my minimal knowledge.
Personally, I am very lucky as I have a sister-in-law and niece that in school term time live in the Old Town. My knowledge is mainly of that area and a few things further afield. But, this will be my base of operations.
Travel
If you fly to Chopin Airport, you are basically on the edge of the city and there will be numerous busses etc. to get where you are going.
I fly to Modlin Airport and take the shuttle bus from the airport to the Modlin train station. From there, trains to Warszawa Centralna are frequent. Ticket machines in the airport are easy to use and English language can be selected. Depending upon where you are staying, it is a hub for many bus routes and there are loads of cabs available. If it’s nice and not laden with luggage you can walk to Old Town in 30 minutes.
The Metro system is very simple. Nearest Metro to the Central station is Centrum (about 5 minutes’ walk from the front of the station). The nearest station to Old Town is Ratusz Arsenal followed by a 10 minute walk.
The Metro station Swietokrzyska is basically where the North-South and East-West Metro lines cross.
Food, Drink etc.
Food - you’re basically spoiled for choice! I’ve never had anything bad to eat and you will have no problem finding somewhere to suit your tastes. I have had one of the best Pasta Arabiattas outside of Italy in Warsaw.
My family live a few doors from the WarSaw pub in Old Town. It has a very rowdy cellar (karaoke) and some pool rooms upstairs…not sure about TVs for football but I’ll update before next Thursday as I arrive on Tuesday. I like the chaos of this place, though. There are a couple of nice little craft beer pubs (one is called Same Krafty) opposite each other on Nowomiejska in Old Town. And a few doors down is a marvellous little antique/junk shop full of Soviet and Nazi era stuff. Some expensive, some just cheap tat, but it’s always worth a browse. The main square in Old Town has loads of café-bars to choose from. For a late night “strange” drink in Old Town I cannot advise further than the Podwale Bar and Books situated on Waski Dunaj (again a few doors from “my gaff”). It is a wood-panelled whiskey bar that allows the smoking of cigars in doors. The bar staff treat customers as though you are in a Mayfair club (or how I imagine one to be). They only sell a couple of beers and they play subtitled Bond movies on a loop (volume down). It is cash only with a cashpoint outside the entrance. Gangsters? Maybe.
Further in town I have been in a few craft beer places, often down little side streets. If that’s your sort of thing, I have often been in “The Taps” (situated on Henryka Sienkiewicza) waiting for my niece to come out of her lessons and it is a pleasant place. Jabeerwocky on Nowogrodzka is also fine.
Warsaw is big and you’ll find somewhere you like. If you like Vodka there is a Vodka museum on the corner of Senatorska and Wierzbowa.
For those with an interest in history
On the bus from Modlin Airport to train station lookout for all the big brick structures, some built into the side of hills. Also on the train as it leaves Modlin look for the big brick buildings as you cross the river. This is Modlin Fort, the biggest in Europe, first built by Napoleon on his march to Moscow. The airport and town of Modlin are within the fort itself.
A neat walking tour is from the statue outside Ibis Hotel Old Town to the Jewish Museum. The statue is dedicated to those deported to the east under communism. A walk along the road named Stawki takes you to the monument to those deported to Treblinka. It is called the Umschlagplatz and it is the site of the marshalling yard collection point before being put on trains. Cross the road and head down Karmelicka and turn left onto Mila brings you to the memorial “Mila 18”. It is the site of the last survivors of the Ghetto Uprising and one of the HQs of the fighters. The bodies were left there as a war grave. Leon Uris wrote a novel called Mila 18. A short walk from here along Ludwika Zamenhofa brings you to POLIN – Museum of the history of Polish Jews. A fascinating building in itself, let alone the story told inside. It costs less than a tenner.
The Ghetto uprising was April 1942 to May 1943. Whilst walking the streets try to imagine that most of the area north of the central station to south of the Ibis Hotel Old Town and east of the main north-south road General Andersa was the Jewish Ghetto. Occasionally you will come across markings along streets and pavements that show the route of the ghetto wall. North east corner of the ghetto is between the Ibis Hotel and Polonia football ground. From May 1943 onwards this whole area would have been rubble. Just south of the Ibis and near the road called Bonifraterska was a mini concentration camp for the remaining Jews in Warsaw kept there for work.
Warsaw Uprising Museum (Muzeum Powstania Warszawskiego) is excellent. Well worth a visit. A short walk from Metro station Rondo Daszynskiego. The Warsaw Uprising monument is very impressive, situated on the corner of Dluga and Miodowa. A short walk will take you into Old Town and it’s churches and museums. This whole area was reduced to rubble too, but unlike the ghetto was rebuilt in its original architecture. All over Warsaw you will see plaques on walls to this period; so if you see “35 Osob” it means 35 people killed here, sometimes part of the fighting, sometimes in reprisals.
General Stuff
Remember to tip! 5 zloty is roughly £1.
A lot of places only do table service.
Always wait for the green man before crossing! You will notice most people follow this rule strictly.
Buy a 3 or 5 day travel pass ticket and keep it safe. It’ll cost you less than £10 and you can use on Metro, tram and bus. Ticket machines are at a lot of stops and easy to use with an English option.
On first use get it stamped buy the machine on the bus or tram. It is then valid for the number of days from that time.
Thanks a million Small Rodent. I’m heading to Krakow on Sunday then Warsaw on Wednesday.
I don’t have a ticket but was hopeful of a mate in Warsaw sorting me out but they are selling packages for all 3 games only at the moment. They on,y launched this info today so their system crashed. You need to have Polish ID or be a member at Legia to purchase. He also says they frequently check ID at the ground so not easy to get in even with a ticket.
Post by: VillaTim on September 14, 2023, 10:50:34 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 15, 2023, 07:51:11 AM
It's a disgrace!
Post by: Ads on September 15, 2023, 08:01:46 AM
Good luck anyone going , hope nobody needs to rely on the polish police out there , I found them ridiculously corrupt .
Calm down Tim.
Post by: Lsvilla on September 15, 2023, 08:46:18 AM
Post by: Holte L2 on September 15, 2023, 09:14:17 AM
I've also posted this in the Away section, but thought I might as well put it here too:
Here are a few things I know about Warsaw from my minimal knowledge.
Personally, I am very lucky as I have a sister-in-law and niece that in school term time live in the Old Town. My knowledge is mainly of that area and a few things further afield. But, this will be my base of operations.
Travel
If you fly to Chopin Airport, you are basically on the edge of the city and there will be numerous busses etc. to get where you are going.
I fly to Modlin Airport and take the shuttle bus from the airport to the Modlin train station. From there, trains to Warszawa Centralna are frequent. Ticket machines in the airport are easy to use and English language can be selected. Depending upon where you are staying, it is a hub for many bus routes and there are loads of cabs available. If it’s nice and not laden with luggage you can walk to Old Town in 30 minutes.
The Metro system is very simple. Nearest Metro to the Central station is Centrum (about 5 minutes’ walk from the front of the station). The nearest station to Old Town is Ratusz Arsenal followed by a 10 minute walk.
The Metro station Swietokrzyska is basically where the North-South and East-West Metro lines cross.
Food, Drink etc.
Food - you’re basically spoiled for choice! I’ve never had anything bad to eat and you will have no problem finding somewhere to suit your tastes. I have had one of the best Pasta Arabiattas outside of Italy in Warsaw.
My family live a few doors from the WarSaw pub in Old Town. It has a very rowdy cellar (karaoke) and some pool rooms upstairs…not sure about TVs for football but I’ll update before next Thursday as I arrive on Tuesday. I like the chaos of this place, though. There are a couple of nice little craft beer pubs (one is called Same Krafty) opposite each other on Nowomiejska in Old Town. And a few doors down is a marvellous little antique/junk shop full of Soviet and Nazi era stuff. Some expensive, some just cheap tat, but it’s always worth a browse. The main square in Old Town has loads of café-bars to choose from. For a late night “strange” drink in Old Town I cannot advise further than the Podwale Bar and Books situated on Waski Dunaj (again a few doors from “my gaff”). It is a wood-panelled whiskey bar that allows the smoking of cigars in doors. The bar staff treat customers as though you are in a Mayfair club (or how I imagine one to be). They only sell a couple of beers and they play subtitled Bond movies on a loop (volume down). It is cash only with a cashpoint outside the entrance. Gangsters? Maybe.
Further in town I have been in a few craft beer places, often down little side streets. If that’s your sort of thing, I have often been in “The Taps” (situated on Henryka Sienkiewicza) waiting for my niece to come out of her lessons and it is a pleasant place. Jabeerwocky on Nowogrodzka is also fine.
Warsaw is big and you’ll find somewhere you like. If you like Vodka there is a Vodka museum on the corner of Senatorska and Wierzbowa.
For those with an interest in history
On the bus from Modlin Airport to train station lookout for all the big brick structures, some built into the side of hills. Also on the train as it leaves Modlin look for the big brick buildings as you cross the river. This is Modlin Fort, the biggest in Europe, first built by Napoleon on his march to Moscow. The airport and town of Modlin are within the fort itself.
A neat walking tour is from the statue outside Ibis Hotel Old Town to the Jewish Museum. The statue is dedicated to those deported to the east under communism. A walk along the road named Stawki takes you to the monument to those deported to Treblinka. It is called the Umschlagplatz and it is the site of the marshalling yard collection point before being put on trains. Cross the road and head down Karmelicka and turn left onto Mila brings you to the memorial “Mila 18”. It is the site of the last survivors of the Ghetto Uprising and one of the HQs of the fighters. The bodies were left there as a war grave. Leon Uris wrote a novel called Mila 18. A short walk from here along Ludwika Zamenhofa brings you to POLIN – Museum of the history of Polish Jews. A fascinating building in itself, let alone the story told inside. It costs less than a tenner.
The Ghetto uprising was April 1942 to May 1943. Whilst walking the streets try to imagine that most of the area north of the central station to south of the Ibis Hotel Old Town and east of the main north-south road General Andersa was the Jewish Ghetto. Occasionally you will come across markings along streets and pavements that show the route of the ghetto wall. North east corner of the ghetto is between the Ibis Hotel and Polonia football ground. From May 1943 onwards this whole area would have been rubble. Just south of the Ibis and near the road called Bonifraterska was a mini concentration camp for the remaining Jews in Warsaw kept there for work.
Warsaw Uprising Museum (Muzeum Powstania Warszawskiego) is excellent. Well worth a visit. A short walk from Metro station Rondo Daszynskiego. The Warsaw Uprising monument is very impressive, situated on the corner of Dluga and Miodowa. A short walk will take you into Old Town and it’s churches and museums. This whole area was reduced to rubble too, but unlike the ghetto was rebuilt in its original architecture. All over Warsaw you will see plaques on walls to this period; so if you see “35 Osob” it means 35 people killed here, sometimes part of the fighting, sometimes in reprisals.
General Stuff
Remember to tip! 5 zloty is roughly £1.
A lot of places only do table service.
Always wait for the green man before crossing! You will notice most people follow this rule strictly.
Buy a 3 or 5 day travel pass ticket and keep it safe. It’ll cost you less than £10 and you can use on Metro, tram and bus. Ticket machines are at a lot of stops and easy to use with an English option.
On first use get it stamped buy the machine on the bus or tram. It is then valid for the number of days from that time.
Thanks for the great tips Small Rodent. Lovely to see some Microbreweries. Can I ask about cash? How prevalent is contactless. I'm trying to negate the need for lots of cash.
Post by: algy on September 15, 2023, 09:15:24 AM
More for the Zrinjski away game, but when we visited Serbia (2006, first time) the lad we.were staying with told us in no uncertain terms that we should avoid any interaction with the police if possible, and that they were 'a criminal gang like any other, the only difference is they wear a uniform'. Our brief interactions with the Serbian rozzers didn't inspire an awful lot of confidence in how likely they were to uphold the law.Good luck anyone going , hope nobody needs to rely on the polish police out there , I found them ridiculously corrupt .
Calm down Tim.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 15, 2023, 09:18:25 AM
Good luck anyone going , hope nobody needs to rely on the polish police out there , I found them ridiculously corrupt .
Calm down Tim.
Could be useful information though
Tim - what were your dealings with the Polish police in which you experienced such corruption?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 15, 2023, 09:25:48 AM
Good luck anyone going , hope nobody needs to rely on the polish police out there , I found them ridiculously corrupt .
Calm down Tim.
Could be useful information though
Tim - what were your dealings with the Polish police in which you experienced such corruption?
Tim investigated the whole lot, from top to bottom. He's the Eliot (P) Ness of Polish policing.
Post by: VillaTim on September 15, 2023, 10:24:08 AM
None of them were football match related but might give you some insight . First was a motoring offence not far from Krakow. I was pulled over for allegedly speeding which I'm not sure I even was , the hire car was probably the giveaway. Anyway to cut a long story short i was given a choice of a lengthy process with paperwork etc down at the local constabulary or to speed things along a cash transaction (preferably in USD) was to take place there and then and I could get on with my day. I was on a tight schedule so went with option 2. (Albeit settled in GBP).Good luck anyone going , hope nobody needs to rely on the polish police out there , I found them ridiculously corrupt .
Calm down Tim.
Could be useful information though
Tim - what were your dealings with the Polish police in which you experienced such corruption?
The 2nd incident was on a stag do (not mine) about 6 years ago. Couple of our group were Asian lads really decent guys aswell , anyway there was some racial abuse and intimidation happening in one of the bars and outside etc. Reported to the police and they simply weren't interested .
Guess what I'm trying to say here is anyone going be prepared to stand on your own two feet and don't rely on guaranteed help from the local OB as it may not be forthcoming. Never been to Warsaw for a football match though so the OB there may be of a different mindset,
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on September 15, 2023, 10:29:57 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on September 15, 2023, 10:55:16 AM
The local police department was a client of the school I was working at, and I was teaching them English. At the station after the arrest, they all cracked up when some of the officers realised their teacher was in a cell.
No harm done. They were more concerned that it was February at the time and I might get pneumonia.
Post by: olaftab on September 15, 2023, 12:20:28 PM
Can't believe the tickets didn't se out before getting to general season ticket holders.Yes indeed a disgrace, I would like a statement from the club.
It's a disgrace!
Post by: Small Rodent on September 15, 2023, 12:48:48 PM
Thanks for the great tips Small Rodent. Lovely to see some Microbreweries. Can I ask about cash? How prevalent is contactless. I'm trying to negate the need for lots of cash.
I very often only use cash there for tipping. The Whiskey and Cigar bar is the only place I've been to which is cash only. This is why I suspect it is gangster run, with their cashpoint outside the door!
Post by: DeKuip on September 15, 2023, 02:05:37 PM
Post by: Bad English on September 15, 2023, 06:52:03 PM
Couple of our group were Asian lads really decent guys as wellI'm not too sure what the bit in italics brings to the story. I may be overthinking this.
Post by: Ads on September 15, 2023, 07:18:49 PM
Post by: olaftab on September 15, 2023, 07:22:15 PM
Well you know normally they are a bit peculiar, always adjusting their turban or going off to pray. ;)Couple of our group were Asian lads really decent guys as wellI'm not too sure what the bit in italics brings to the story. I may be overthinking this.
Post by: amfy on September 15, 2023, 08:17:28 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/your-next-european-break-awaits/2023/sep/01/date-worthy-destinations-in-europe-eight-less-travelled-romantic-city-breaks?CMP=GLabs&utm_medium=sfbk&utm_source=pdscl&utm_campaign=Glabs&fbclid=IwAR3kdo5Hu_Syzyt4Nmxo71jlbXO5gzTZHlrSTAXK0C9jM1R9yyTZOUz9xh0_aem_AZPE6vmKBrULxuPytC0xCR48rkjYQy6npD69MBsA7jh6Za2eAut5cn1GRSHeuNrok7EwPITAWEtbO9nwb7BiaNGL#Echobox=1693831945
Post by: Philek on September 15, 2023, 08:47:39 PM
There were a couple of bars in the Praga area (over the river from old town towards the very impressive national stadium) that would only take cash when I was there 4 years ago. I came across 60 zloty in the drawer the other week from then - having £12 to blow is my excuse for going back next week.. I’ve never been to a place that doesn’t do contactless payments (usually phone but also card) it’s effectively been the norm for the last few years. Handy to have 10 or 20 złoty or so for a tip. Best to avoid Praga as you need to know where you’re going. Lived here for 23 years and very rarely go over there unless it’s to the zoo with the kids! Not many bars near the stadium, best closer to the centre.
Post by: Philek on September 15, 2023, 08:55:08 PM
Post by: Ads on September 15, 2023, 08:56:51 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 15, 2023, 10:08:40 PM
Maybe he means not knobheads, which let's face it is hard to believe; when a stag do has been drinking long enough, the descent into knobheadery is quick and total.Stag do is a stag do but nobody was being offensive so to speak. This was a racist attack by the locals and targeted .
Post by: VillaTim on September 15, 2023, 10:10:47 PM
Who would be the English equivalent of Legia Warsaw then?Sat 2nd in the league so Arsenal
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 15, 2023, 10:43:12 PM
Who would be the English equivalent of Legia Warsaw then?
They've won the most titles with 15, seven of which have come in the last 11 seasons. The next two teams on the list with 14, Gornik Zabrze and Ruch Chorzow have not won the league since the late 80s. Wisla Krakow are next on 13, having been dominant in the 00s.
So a team from the capital with most of their success coming in recent years, Chelsea maybe? No idea if they've been bankrolled by a Russian oligarch though.
Post by: Pat McMahon on September 15, 2023, 10:58:15 PM
Here’s some ideas if you’ve got time https://warsawinsider.pl/the-warsaw-bucket-list/
Cheers Philek
Post by: Martyn Smith on September 15, 2023, 11:12:58 PM
Post by: AV84 on September 15, 2023, 11:25:12 PM
Edit - I've had a look and I think it's a chanel exclusive to Virgin media subscribers.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 15, 2023, 11:41:45 PM
Virgin Media More (Ireland) have this game listed in the schedule for next week. No idea what Virgin Media More is, mind you. I never watch any of them. I assume it's an actual chanel and not their online only service.
Edit - I've had a look and I think it's a chanel exclusive to Virgin media subscribers.
That sounds right, the draw was shown on Vigin Media More but I couldn't find it on their website.
Post by: AV84 on September 15, 2023, 11:46:01 PM
Virgin Media More (Ireland) have this game listed in the schedule for next week. No idea what Virgin Media More is, mind you. I never watch any of them. I assume it's an actual chanel and not their online only service.
Edit - I've had a look and I think it's a chanel exclusive to Virgin media subscribers.
That sounds right, the draw was shown on Vigin Media More but I couldn't find it on their website.
It's kind of annoying because they're showing both Liverpool and Brighton the same day but on one of their proper channels. I suppose there's actual Irish interest in the Brighton game, but I'd guarantee there's more Irish Villa fans than Brighton ones.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 15, 2023, 11:48:53 PM
It's kind of annoying because they're showing both Liverpool and Brighton the same day but on one of their proper channels. I suppose there's actual Irish interest in the Brighton game, but I'd guarantee there's more Irish Villa fans than Brighton ones.
I've never met a Brighton fan in Ireland (having even met SHA fans) but I suppose there is the Ferguson factor.
Post by: Drummond on September 16, 2023, 01:33:51 AM
Post by: eamonn on September 16, 2023, 09:41:51 AM
Virgin Media More (Ireland) have this game listed in the schedule for next week. No idea what Virgin Media More is, mind you. I never watch any of them. I assume it's an actual chanel and not their online only service.
Edit - I've had a look and I think it's a chanel exclusive to Virgin media subscribers.
That sounds right, the draw was shown on Vigin Media More but I couldn't find it on their website.
We'll have our former centre back Dickie Dunne and Brian Kerr giving out about "yer man, Ezri Konsa trying to organise that bleedin' high line".
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 16, 2023, 09:53:17 AM
That sounds right, the draw was shown on Vigin Media More but I couldn't find it on their website.
We'll have our former centre back Dickie Dunne and Brian Kerr giving out about "yer man, Ezri Konsa trying to organise that bleedin' high line".
Yeah, not my preferred punditry pairing. Kerr's demeanour and voice can become a bit wearing after a while.
Post by: olaftab on September 16, 2023, 09:54:52 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 16, 2023, 09:57:03 AM
Post by: olaftab on September 16, 2023, 10:24:18 AM
Post by: Small Rodent on September 16, 2023, 11:10:46 AM
I actually like the “Irish Pub Miodowa”. Again not very Irish but local enough to be “home” in less than 10 minutes and they know me there. I’ll probably watch the game there. I’ve only seen it busy for Poland national team games.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 16, 2023, 11:24:37 AM
Sorry it's not Molly Malones, it's a Polish bar called Molla Malonozlowski. ;)
Crying, "Pierogi and bigo, alive, alive, oh"...
Post by: Small Rodent on September 16, 2023, 11:28:28 AM
Do all ticket holders have to take the shuttle, because that’s a lot of shuttling!
Post by: olaftab on September 16, 2023, 11:45:39 AM
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Is there any dedicated transport from the city centre to the ground?
There will be 10 dedicated buses routing fans to and from the stadium. The pickup point is Molly Malones.
The stadium is 4.6 miles from the City centre and will take approx 20 minutes in moderate traffic.
And post match:
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What time does public transport run until?
It will remain available all evening with dedicated buses returning fans to the main square.
Post by: Small Rodent on September 16, 2023, 12:48:31 PM
Post by: Small Rodent on September 17, 2023, 12:31:24 PM
It’s a normal road but pavements either side are very wide. They’ve closed it before for events, I think.
I also recommend those interested in history to watch the film ‘Warsaw 44’. It’s pretty gritty, and free to view on Amazon freevee.
Post by: Holte L2 on September 17, 2023, 12:40:08 PM
Best use those out on for the fans especially coming back. It’s a bit of a jaunt and public transport will be rammed,
Hi Small Rodent, I'm in the Ibis 10 minute walk from the ground. Will the walk back be ok? It just looks like a walk down a main road.
Post by: Small Rodent on September 17, 2023, 02:07:06 PM
Best use those out on for the fans especially coming back. It’s a bit of a jaunt and public transport will be rammed,
Hi Small Rodent, I'm in the Ibis 10 minute walk from the ground. Will the walk back be ok? It just looks like a walk down a main road.
I expect it would be. Lots of families go to the football. Everyone else is going to be too busy scrabbling for public transport. Get on your Google maps though for a route because I’ve had to double back sometimes because you can come to a dual carriageway with no crossings.
Post by: Holte L2 on September 18, 2023, 07:46:55 AM
Best use those out on for the fans especially coming back. It’s a bit of a jaunt and public transport will be rammed,
Hi Small Rodent, I'm in the Ibis 10 minute walk from the ground. Will the walk back be ok? It just looks like a walk down a main road.
I expect it would be. Lots of families go to the football. Everyone else is going to be too busy scrabbling for public transport. Get on your Google maps though for a route because I’ve had to double back sometimes because you can come to a dual carriageway with no crossings.
Cheers. I've google mapped it and I think I'm familiar with it now. Just wanted to make sure it was pretty safe.
Post by: liam on September 18, 2023, 09:35:23 AM
Best use those out on for the fans especially coming back. It’s a bit of a jaunt and public transport will be rammed,A couple of us are in that Ibis, so may see you in there.
Hi Small Rodent, I'm in the Ibis 10 minute walk from the ground. Will the walk back be ok? It just looks like a walk down a main road.
I expect it would be. Lots of families go to the football. Everyone else is going to be too busy scrabbling for public transport. Get on your Google maps though for a route because I’ve had to double back sometimes because you can come to a dual carriageway with no crossings.
Cheers. I've google mapped it and I think I'm familiar with it now. Just wanted to make sure it was pretty safe.
A couple of us are in that Ibis, might see you out there
Post by: Holte L2 on September 18, 2023, 03:59:01 PM
Best use those out on for the fans especially coming back. It’s a bit of a jaunt and public transport will be rammed,A couple of us are in that Ibis, so may see you in there.
Hi Small Rodent, I'm in the Ibis 10 minute walk from the ground. Will the walk back be ok? It just looks like a walk down a main road.
I expect it would be. Lots of families go to the football. Everyone else is going to be too busy scrabbling for public transport. Get on your Google maps though for a route because I’ve had to double back sometimes because you can come to a dual carriageway with no crossings.
Cheers. I've google mapped it and I think I'm familiar with it now. Just wanted to make sure it was pretty safe.
A couple of us are in that Ibis, might see you out there
Will look forward to it mate. The location looks ideal!
Post by: PeterWithe on September 18, 2023, 04:13:44 PM
Said before, Madrid in 98 and Hamburg in 08 aside, by and large we've never taken big numbers anywhere in Europe.
True, but the demand for away tickets in general is way higher these days, than then. So I’d expect our numbers to be higher now.
As an example, Boro away in April 04 (Crouch scored a late winner), we decided to go the night before and paid on the day as we hadn’t sold our allocation. Unthinkable now, and we were chasing top 4 at the time.
I was there. Keeper saved a De La Cruz shot from memory, keeper's save falls to Crouch and the away go mental.
Correct. Then my mate got arrested for hugging Crouch in the celebrations! The Boro police were wankers. They nicked a few Villa fans (for celebrating a goal next to the pitch, not on it) then released them once the last train back to Brum had left.
Must have been the same trip we went on. Mini bus from Water Orton, our mate got arrested for falling over the barrier at the front. Let out after the last train had left, we stopped in Leeds on the way back to wait for him, when he turned up the rozzers had confiscated his shoes and in there place he was wearing some plimsolls like he was about to do gym class in junior school.
From memory, he'd drank a small of bottle of whiskey on the bus and had attracted the attention of the constabulary by falling asleep in the ground.Fairly sure it was the game we won 4-0 as well.
Post by: Small Rodent on September 18, 2023, 05:50:57 PM
If you hate drums at football, Legia have a purpose built stage in front of their ‘ultras’ with two drummers. They go pretty non-stop all game and the singing is constant.
When I was there they also had a big banner “Pamietamy Jana Pawel II”…”We remember John Paul II”.
Anyway, I’m up at 3am to get the plane from Stansted. Very excited although I am ticketless, but happy to see family and hope to bump into some of you.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 18, 2023, 06:13:15 PM
When I was there they also had a big banner “Pamietamy Jana Pawel II”…”We remember John Paul II”.
The original 'Holy Goalie'. Wrt the drums, I bet Lee's glad he's not going now.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on September 18, 2023, 06:20:34 PM
Said before, Madrid in 98 and Hamburg in 08 aside, by and large we've never taken big numbers anywhere in Europe.
True, but the demand for away tickets in general is way higher these days, than then. So I’d expect our numbers to be higher now.
As an example, Boro away in April 04 (Crouch scored a late winner), we decided to go the night before and paid on the day as we hadn’t sold our allocation. Unthinkable now, and we were chasing top 4 at the time.
I was there. Keeper saved a De La Cruz shot from memory, keeper's save falls to Crouch and the away go mental.
Correct. Then my mate got arrested for hugging Crouch in the celebrations! The Boro police were wankers. They nicked a few Villa fans (for celebrating a goal next to the pitch, not on it) then released them once the last train back to Brum had left.
Must have been the same trip we went on. Mini bus from Water Orton, our mate got arrested for falling over the barrier at the front. Let out after the last train had left, we stopped in Leeds on the way back to wait for him, when he turned up the rozzers had confiscated his shoes and in there place he was wearing some plimsolls like he was about to do gym class in junior school.
From memory, he'd drank a small of bottle of whiskey on the bus and had attracted the attention of the constabulary by falling asleep in the ground.Fairly sure it was the game we won 4-0 as well.
According to June it was 2007, we won 3-0, Carew, Mellberg and Gabby with the goals.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 18, 2023, 07:02:39 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 18, 2023, 08:02:20 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/169s4dz/opta_percentage_probabilities_for_the_uefa/
Post by: tomd2103 on September 18, 2023, 10:01:46 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 18, 2023, 10:05:35 PM
I’m just going to pay at the turnstiles in Warsaw.Probably would work actually lol
Post by: AV82EC on September 18, 2023, 10:08:11 PM
Probably more at home in the tickets section, but are the tickets for the 3 games being sold as a package or do you have to buy them individually? Thought I had heard something about a package, but can't see anything on the home site?
You select the tickets for each game then it applies a discount when you checkout.
Post by: tomd2103 on September 18, 2023, 10:30:54 PM
Probably more at home in the tickets section, but are the tickets for the 3 games being sold as a package or do you have to buy them individually? Thought I had heard something about a package, but can't see anything on the home site?
You select the tickets for each game then it applies a discount when you checkout.
Cheers. All sorted.
Post by: Pat McMahon on September 18, 2023, 10:36:29 PM
Forgot to mention this….
If you hate drums at football, Legia have a purpose built stage in front of their ‘ultras’ with two drummers. They go pretty non-stop all game and the singing is constant.
When I was there they also had a big banner “Pamietamy Jana Pawel II”…”We remember John Paul II”.
Anyway, I’m up at 3am to get the plane from Stansted. Very excited although I am ticketless, but happy to see family and hope to bump into some of you.
Small Rodent, my mate in Warsaw says registering with Polish ID number is a doddle. He’s bought tickets today.
Post by: Small Rodent on September 18, 2023, 10:45:40 PM
Forgot to mention this….
If you hate drums at football, Legia have a purpose built stage in front of their ‘ultras’ with two drummers. They go pretty non-stop all game and the singing is constant.
When I was there they also had a big banner “Pamietamy Jana Pawel II”…”We remember John Paul II”.
Anyway, I’m up at 3am to get the plane from Stansted. Very excited although I am ticketless, but happy to see family and hope to bump into some of you.
Small Rodent, my mate in Warsaw says registering with Polish ID number is a doddle. He’s bought tickets today.
Sadly I could only get one got my niece, not me!!
Post by: Pat McMahon on September 18, 2023, 10:57:25 PM
Forgot to mention this….
If you hate drums at football, Legia have a purpose built stage in front of their ‘ultras’ with two drummers. They go pretty non-stop all game and the singing is constant.
When I was there they also had a big banner “Pamietamy Jana Pawel II”…”We remember John Paul II”.
Anyway, I’m up at 3am to get the plane from Stansted. Very excited although I am ticketless, but happy to see family and hope to bump into some of you.
Small Rodent, my mate in Warsaw says registering with Polish ID number is a doddle. He’s bought tickets today.
Sadly I could only get one got my niece, not me!!
My mate got his father in law one, though he does have Polish ID. Edit - he’s got me one too. Just used my passport details, date of birth and email, so no need for Polish ID
Post by: VillaTim on September 18, 2023, 11:00:26 PM
Post by: Pat McMahon on September 18, 2023, 11:08:27 PM
Is going in the home end a good idea ? I'd be a bit uncomfortable with that .
I’m hoping being with a Pole and a Polish speaker helps. Will need to sit on my hands though
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 18, 2023, 11:09:01 PM
Is going in the home end a good idea ? I'd be a bit uncomfortable with that .
Speaking Polish and wearing a garish leather jacket would probably help.
Edit : Not that a stylish man like Pat would wear such a jacket.
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 19, 2023, 07:28:09 AM
Shaved head or a mullet to fit right in.Is going in the home end a good idea ? I'd be a bit uncomfortable with that .
Speaking Polish and wearing a garish leather jacket would probably help.
Edit : Not that a stylish man like Pat would wear such a jacket.
Post by: WarszaVillan on September 19, 2023, 09:41:20 AM
I've also posted this in the Away section, but thought I might as well put it here too:
Here are a few things I know about Warsaw from my minimal knowledge.
Personally, I am very lucky as I have a sister-in-law and niece that in school term time live in the Old Town. My knowledge is mainly of that area and a few things further afield. But, this will be my base of operations.
Travel
If you fly to Chopin Airport, you are basically on the edge of the city and there will be numerous busses etc. to get where you are going.
I fly to Modlin Airport and take the shuttle bus from the airport to the Modlin train station. From there, trains to Warszawa Centralna are frequent. Ticket machines in the airport are easy to use and English language can be selected. Depending upon where you are staying, it is a hub for many bus routes and there are loads of cabs available. If it’s nice and not laden with luggage you can walk to Old Town in 30 minutes.
The Metro system is very simple. Nearest Metro to the Central station is Centrum (about 5 minutes’ walk from the front of the station). The nearest station to Old Town is Ratusz Arsenal followed by a 10 minute walk.
The Metro station Swietokrzyska is basically where the North-South and East-West Metro lines cross.
Food, Drink etc.
Food - you’re basically spoiled for choice! I’ve never had anything bad to eat and you will have no problem finding somewhere to suit your tastes. I have had one of the best Pasta Arabiattas outside of Italy in Warsaw.
My family live a few doors from the WarSaw pub in Old Town. It has a very rowdy cellar (karaoke) and some pool rooms upstairs…not sure about TVs for football but I’ll update before next Thursday as I arrive on Tuesday. I like the chaos of this place, though. There are a couple of nice little craft beer pubs (one is called Same Krafty) opposite each other on Nowomiejska in Old Town. And a few doors down is a marvellous little antique/junk shop full of Soviet and Nazi era stuff. Some expensive, some just cheap tat, but it’s always worth a browse. The main square in Old Town has loads of café-bars to choose from. For a late night “strange” drink in Old Town I cannot advise further than the Podwale Bar and Books situated on Waski Dunaj (again a few doors from “my gaff”). It is a wood-panelled whiskey bar that allows the smoking of cigars in doors. The bar staff treat customers as though you are in a Mayfair club (or how I imagine one to be). They only sell a couple of beers and they play subtitled Bond movies on a loop (volume down). It is cash only with a cashpoint outside the entrance. Gangsters? Maybe.
Further in town I have been in a few craft beer places, often down little side streets. If that’s your sort of thing, I have often been in “The Taps” (situated on Henryka Sienkiewicza) waiting for my niece to come out of her lessons and it is a pleasant place. Jabeerwocky on Nowogrodzka is also fine.
Warsaw is big and you’ll find somewhere you like. If you like Vodka there is a Vodka museum on the corner of Senatorska and Wierzbowa.
For those with an interest in history
On the bus from Modlin Airport to train station lookout for all the big brick structures, some built into the side of hills. Also on the train as it leaves Modlin look for the big brick buildings as you cross the river. This is Modlin Fort, the biggest in Europe, first built by Napoleon on his march to Moscow. The airport and town of Modlin are within the fort itself.
A neat walking tour is from the statue outside Ibis Hotel Old Town to the Jewish Museum. The statue is dedicated to those deported to the east under communism. A walk along the road named Stawki takes you to the monument to those deported to Treblinka. It is called the Umschlagplatz and it is the site of the marshalling yard collection point before being put on trains. Cross the road and head down Karmelicka and turn left onto Mila brings you to the memorial “Mila 18”. It is the site of the last survivors of the Ghetto Uprising and one of the HQs of the fighters. The bodies were left there as a war grave. Leon Uris wrote a novel called Mila 18. A short walk from here along Ludwika Zamenhofa brings you to POLIN – Museum of the history of Polish Jews. A fascinating building in itself, let alone the story told inside. It costs less than a tenner.
The Ghetto uprising was April 1942 to May 1943. Whilst walking the streets try to imagine that most of the area north of the central station to south of the Ibis Hotel Old Town and east of the main north-south road General Andersa was the Jewish Ghetto. Occasionally you will come across markings along streets and pavements that show the route of the ghetto wall. North east corner of the ghetto is between the Ibis Hotel and Polonia football ground. From May 1943 onwards this whole area would have been rubble. Just south of the Ibis and near the road called Bonifraterska was a mini concentration camp for the remaining Jews in Warsaw kept there for work.
Warsaw Uprising Museum (Muzeum Powstania Warszawskiego) is excellent. Well worth a visit. A short walk from Metro station Rondo Daszynskiego. The Warsaw Uprising monument is very impressive, situated on the corner of Dluga and Miodowa. A short walk will take you into Old Town and it’s churches and museums. This whole area was reduced to rubble too, but unlike the ghetto was rebuilt in its original architecture. All over Warsaw you will see plaques on walls to this period; so if you see “35 Osob” it means 35 people killed here, sometimes part of the fighting, sometimes in reprisals.
General Stuff
Remember to tip! 5 zloty is roughly £1.
A lot of places only do table service.
Always wait for the green man before crossing! You will notice most people follow this rule strictly.
Buy a 3 or 5 day travel pass ticket and keep it safe. It’ll cost you less than £10 and you can use on Metro, tram and bus. Ticket machines are at a lot of stops and easy to use with an English option.
On first use get it stamped buy the machine on the bus or tram. It is then valid for the number of days from that time.
Unfortunately after living nearly 30 years in Poland, I won't be in Warsaw when Villa come(s?) to town, how fucking depressing is that? Although being in Athens softens the blow somewhat. This is all pretty comprehensive by Rodent, I'll add a few things that may be of interest.
The Old Town is obviously a place everyone goes and I imagine where Villa fans will congregate. It's beautiful and impressive as it was all rebuilt after the war, yada yada. A decent authentic and relatively cheap place to eat is the Polish/Jewish restaurant Pod Samsomen (https://tinyurl.com/y5dh2563). To get a little off the beaten track go down the steps from Place Zamkowy to Mariensztat and walk around the square and streets there (https://tinyurl.com/2s4ddh45).
From the Old Town you can walk/take a bus along the Royal Way (Krakowskie Przedmieście - Nowy Świat) and end up eventually at a place called Plac Na Rozdrożu. You are then near the entrance to Warsaw's most beautiful historical park - Łazienki Park. In fact, you can walk down through the park pretty much to the Legia stadium (https://tinyurl.com/4f8jdt4r).
A good place to drink before the match would be by the river (the weather should be nice). If you get the metro to Kopernik then you are right by the area where there are lots of bars and it's a really nice place to hang out in the summer. You can also get a direct bus (15 min) or walk (30 min) to the stadium from there (https://tinyurl.com/cufcnupw) You are also by an old industrial/hipster area Powiśle, worth a wander around. Nearby is also the science museum (Muzeum Nauk Kopernika) and Warsaw University library, which has a great roof garden which gives a nice view over the river (https://maps.app.goo.gl/RG4pPWgeFNn2UYav7).
Other obvious things to do that haven't been mentioned. Go to the top of the Palace of Culture (you can't miss it and it's great). For other socialist realist architecture walk around Plac Konstytucja. Also not far from there you can wander around the nearby streets that give a bit of the feel of how Warsaw was before the war. This is a decent bar in this area and not a bad starting/finishing point: (https://tinyurl.com/2tmhrwk3).
For areas worth visiting outside of the city centre. Żoliborz is lovely and very historical. Go to Metro Plac Wilsona and take it from there: look for park Żeromskiego and adjoining streets. There is a nice beach bar not far from there: https://tinyurl.com/5b7yws9z.
Saska Kępa over the river is very nice - go to Francuska Street, lots of cafes/bars and it is an an old diplomatic area: https://maps.app.goo.gl/jsHyPNkb7qoxeFSs7. You are also not far from the national stadium. Talking of stadiums if you are up near the old town then take a look at the Polonia Warszawa stadium - they stand on the side of goodness.
Someone said don't go to Praga (the area over the river). I don't agree with this, it's a bit rough and ready but is very interesting and is an area that was not destroyed during the war. There is an orthodox church there - for bars go to Ząbkowska street (https://tinyurl.com/mbbczzay) or to the gentrified industrial complex if it's your thing with a vodka museum: https://tinyurl.com/2c4j4s7y.
If you are looking for an 'expat' bar the best is probably Legends: https://tinyurl.com/yc3r8435. The Irish Bar on Miodowa which Rodent mentioned is pretty good. Both should have the game on. Avoid the Bull Dog.
Museums - the two obvious ones for historical interest are the Warsaw Uprising Museum, which although not without its controversy is good. I'd recommend the Jewish Museum - although it's huge and I'd skip some of the stuff if you are going around in one go. You are also in the ghetto area and you can find other monuments to see.
Safety - it's a very safe city and you should have no problems. However, Legia fans do have their fair share of arseholes and English fans are still seen as a bit of a scalp.
Bars - I'm too old to know where the hip places in town are. However, if you're looking for a place for late-night drinking in the centre then Pawiliony is a good (https://tinyurl.com/4ay78mdk ) lots of small bars together and a lively atmosphere. Nearby to there is Amatorska, which is a decent little more 'old school' place: https://tinyurl.com/24s4ueut .
Travel: download this app and you can buy tickets on it - scan the QR code when you get on a bus/tram or enter the metro: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=pl.mobilet.app&hl=en&gl=US&pli=1 .
You can hire city bikes as well through this app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nextbike.veturilo&hl=en_US
Enjoy. It's a great city.
Post by: Risso on September 19, 2023, 09:44:25 AM
Post by: Holte L2 on September 19, 2023, 10:51:08 AM
Some more great info, nice one WalsallVilla. I sadly won't be going but nice to see two great posts from you and Small Rodent which will be massively helpful to those that are.
They have ben a godsend I have to say. Thank you lads. UTV!
Post by: VillaTim on September 19, 2023, 10:51:40 AM
Is it top 2 from each group who qualify ?
Post by: liam on September 19, 2023, 10:56:08 AM
Post by: liam on September 19, 2023, 10:57:08 AM
Brilliant info really good.
Is it top 2 from each group who qualify ?
Top team goes through runners up play a quallifeir against the teams that drop out Europa League - so 2 extra games we could do without !
Post by: Small Rodent on September 19, 2023, 11:31:38 AM
Post by: TaxDodger on September 19, 2023, 11:33:26 AM
Who'd have thought when losing at home to Barnsley in the Championship that in six years we'd start the season as favourites for a European trophy and Philippe Coutinho would be a mere loaned out squad player.
Post by: VillaTim on September 19, 2023, 11:57:00 AM
Yeah winning the Group is pretty important thenBrilliant info really good.
Is it top 2 from each group who qualify ?
Top team goes through runners up play a quallifeir against the teams that drop out Europa League - so 2 extra games we could do without !
Post by: liam on September 19, 2023, 12:04:06 PM
Post by: olaftab on September 19, 2023, 12:10:03 PM
Villa saying ETickets will be sent out from 3pm today - so no collection at a location afterall? Passport numbers on the tickets which need to be crossed checked going into the ground, be interested in how many are actually checked if thats the case.Cheers liam. You have answered the question I was going to ask on here just now. As for x checks it's all loads of $%^^&*&. Very very unlikely.
Post by: liam on September 19, 2023, 12:12:31 PM
"I’ve spoken to the family of 58-year-old Newcastle fan Eddie McKay, who was stabbed by men in balaclavas last night.
He’s in a stable condition after being stabbed in the back & arms.
His daughter Rachel said her dad wanted to send a message to #NUFC fans here in Milan 🗣️"
Post by: VillaTim on September 19, 2023, 12:13:59 PM
Post by: Bad English on September 19, 2023, 12:25:38 PM
seems on the continent attacking English fans is seen as a badge of honourYour partial sentence would be better if the predicate were followed by an agent complement; it would make it less of a generalisation. For example "by the minority who like to indulge in violence."
Post by: Monty on September 19, 2023, 12:27:53 PM
Post by: usav on September 19, 2023, 12:31:22 PM
Shame to hear a Newcastle fan stabbed last night in Milan - and a couple others hurt, warning to everyone to be safe during the excitment of European games agian.
Yes absolutely. Looking at the news report that had the google street view of where it happened, it wasn't exactly Piazza del Duomo. I don't know the circumstances, but common sense goes a long way when you are in an unfamiliar place.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 19, 2023, 01:11:53 PM
Shame to hear a Newcastle fan stabbed last night in Milan - and a couple others hurt, warning to everyone to be safe during the excitment of European games agian.
Yes absolutely. Looking at the news report that had the google street view of where it happened, it wasn't exactly Piazza del Duomo. I don't know the circumstances, but common sense goes a long way when you are in an unfamiliar place.
It's at the back of Navigli, the canal area which is full of bars and restaurants, so no surprise for them being around there.
Post by: Monty on September 19, 2023, 01:16:10 PM
Post by: rooboy316 on September 19, 2023, 01:26:38 PM
Opta's percentage probabilities for the UEFA Conference League (apologies if it's already been posted).
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/169s4dz/opta_percentage_probabilities_for_the_uefa/
Know barely anything about the other teams, but I’m curious about why Brighton’s chances are so much smaller than ours? Or is it taking into account that they mightn’t drop to Europa?
Post by: Risso on September 19, 2023, 01:31:29 PM
Opta's percentage probabilities for the UEFA Conference League (apologies if it's already been posted).
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/169s4dz/opta_percentage_probabilities_for_the_uefa/
Know barely anything about the other teams, but I’m curious about why Brighton’s chances are so much smaller than ours? Or is it taking into account that they mightn’t drop to Europa?
Obviously that, yes. They're not even in it and might never be, so obviously at this moment in time our chances are better.
Post by: Smithy on September 19, 2023, 01:37:27 PM
Opta's percentage probabilities for the UEFA Conference League (apologies if it's already been posted).
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/169s4dz/opta_percentage_probabilities_for_the_uefa/
Know barely anything about the other teams, but I’m curious about why Brighton’s chances are so much smaller than ours? Or is it taking into account that they mightn’t drop to Europa?
It is. Same as Ajax and Marseilles. Ironically, the three highest-ranked teams in the Europa League that COULD drop down to win the Conference League (Brighton, Ajax and Marseilles) are all in the same group. A proper group of death that one!
Post by: olaftab on September 19, 2023, 04:37:29 PM
Post by: AV82EC on September 19, 2023, 04:38:16 PM
Post by: Vegas on September 19, 2023, 04:43:47 PM
Post by: Small Rodent on September 19, 2023, 04:50:17 PM
Post by: liam on September 19, 2023, 04:54:09 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 19, 2023, 04:59:32 PM
Sorry if this should be elsewhere (I had a quick look in tickets and travel and couldn’t see anything), but has anyone started to look at Mostar travel? Best I can find is 3 flights / 12 hours!
We're flying Luton to Sarajevo on day of match and getting taxi to Mostar. None of us are season ticket holders and I have thought on several occasions since booking the flights that it might not be the most sensible decision I've ever made but it should be an experience regardless.
Post by: Vegas on September 19, 2023, 05:01:48 PM
Sorry if this should be elsewhere (I had a quick look in tickets and travel and couldn’t see anything), but has anyone started to look at Mostar travel? Best I can find is 3 flights / 12 hours!
We're flying Luton to Sarajevo on day of match and getting taxi to Mostar. None of us are season ticket holders and I have thought on several occasions since booking the flights that it might not be the most sensible decision I've ever made but it should be an experience regardless.
Haha yes. That’s the WizzAir flight?
Post by: olaftab on September 19, 2023, 05:05:25 PM
anybody still not had there ticket? I'm leaving for the airport at 3.30am in the moring so getting a bit spooked nowCheck your spam folder for an email like this?
Dzień dobry Aston Villa
Twoje zamówienie (nr *******):
Zostało zrealizowane!
Dziękujemy za zakup biletu. Do zobaczenia #NaStadionie
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 19, 2023, 05:05:45 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 19, 2023, 05:06:56 PM
You just watching in a bar over there or trying to scalp a ticket?Sorry if this should be elsewhere (I had a quick look in tickets and travel and couldn’t see anything), but has anyone started to look at Mostar travel? Best I can find is 3 flights / 12 hours!
We're flying Luton to Sarajevo on day of match and getting taxi to Mostar. None of us are season ticket holders and I have thought on several occasions since booking the flights that it might not be the most sensible decision I've ever made but it should be an experience regardless.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 19, 2023, 05:23:09 PM
Sorry if this should be elsewhere (I had a quick look in tickets and travel and couldn’t see anything), but has anyone started to look at Mostar travel? Best I can find is 3 flights / 12 hours!
We're flying Luton to Sarajevo on day of match and getting taxi to Mostar. None of us are season ticket holders and I have thought on several occasions since booking the flights that it might not be the most sensible decision I've ever made but it should be an experience regardless.
Haha yes. That’s the WizzAir flight?
That's the one. Was quite expensive a couple of weeks back but seems to have gone up since.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 19, 2023, 05:24:07 PM
You just watching in a bar over there or trying to scalp a ticket?Sorry if this should be elsewhere (I had a quick look in tickets and travel and couldn’t see anything), but has anyone started to look at Mostar travel? Best I can find is 3 flights / 12 hours!
We're flying Luton to Sarajevo on day of match and getting taxi to Mostar. None of us are season ticket holders and I have thought on several occasions since booking the flights that it might not be the most sensible decision I've ever made but it should be an experience regardless.
Still got vague hopes we might get a ticket officially on basis that most people will go to Warsaw and Amsterdam instead
Post by: VillaTim on September 19, 2023, 05:58:19 PM
if you aren't even a ST you'd need it to reach General Sale.You just watching in a bar over there or trying to scalp a ticket?Sorry if this should be elsewhere (I had a quick look in tickets and travel and couldn’t see anything), but has anyone started to look at Mostar travel? Best I can find is 3 flights / 12 hours!
We're flying Luton to Sarajevo on day of match and getting taxi to Mostar. None of us are season ticket holders and I have thought on several occasions since booking the flights that it might not be the most sensible decision I've ever made but it should be an experience regardless.
Still got vague hopes we might get a ticket officially on basis that most people will go to Warsaw and Amsterdam instead
This ground is tiny so we will only get 450-500 tickets
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 19, 2023, 06:18:58 PM
Post by: Ads on September 19, 2023, 06:28:05 PM
Post by: AV82EC on September 19, 2023, 06:31:07 PM
Anybody else not had their ticket emailed yet?
No still nothing.
Post by: Ads on September 19, 2023, 06:34:09 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 19, 2023, 06:37:39 PM
I am going with my mate Lech. He is showing Solidarity towards me.
I'm flying over with a Polish ex-Villa player, so it'll be Dion Lublin in the air.
Post by: Martyn Smith on September 19, 2023, 06:44:20 PM
Yeah winning the Group is pretty important thenBrilliant info really good.
Is it top 2 from each group who qualify ?
Top team goes through runners up play a quallifeir against the teams that drop out Europa League - so 2 extra games we could do without !
Indeed. Little chance of any dead rubbers I would have thought
Post by: AV82EC on September 19, 2023, 06:52:40 PM
Ah least its not just me.
Has now appeared Ads.
Post by: Scratchins on September 19, 2023, 06:59:39 PM
Post by: Ads on September 19, 2023, 07:01:08 PM
Post by: itbrvilla on September 19, 2023, 07:15:00 PM
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 19, 2023, 07:21:22 PM
Thank f**k for that...was beginning to get nervous!
Come On You Villa Boys!
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 19, 2023, 07:22:05 PM
Is there on TV?TNT Sports 2 from 5pm.
Post by: Ads on September 19, 2023, 07:22:25 PM
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 19, 2023, 07:27:50 PM
You don't have to print them do you?It's advised in the info....but NFC is also an option.
Post by: andrew08 on September 19, 2023, 08:07:23 PM
Post by: Ads on September 19, 2023, 08:14:24 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 19, 2023, 08:15:25 PM
Post by: andrew08 on September 19, 2023, 08:24:22 PM
Maybe 400 empty seats Thursday.
Post by: AV82EC on September 19, 2023, 08:54:57 PM
Yeah what happened to collecting in person?
Yep I’m very surprised I’m not having to collect in person as that was what they said they would do for European Aways. The administration and off field performance of the club at the moment is completely rudderless and lacking in consistency.
Post by: Lsvilla on September 19, 2023, 09:01:53 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 19, 2023, 09:12:03 PM
Yeah what happened to collecting in person?
Yep I’m very surprised I’m not having to collect in person as that was what they said they would do for European Aways. The administration and off field performance of the club at the moment is completely rudderless and lacking in consistency.
Aye, people will just use others' references, which is what they were supposedly trying to stop.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 19, 2023, 09:13:05 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 19, 2023, 09:16:02 PM
It’s the most Villa thing these days. They can’t do anything right away ticket wise. They have 270 odd unallocated tickets by people who purchased with no intention of going and there will now be a few more who will have done a travel plan with no intention of going either.Very very selfish of the entitled few
Maybe 400 empty seats Thursday.
Post by: Ads on September 19, 2023, 09:29:55 PM
Post by: Ads on September 19, 2023, 09:33:24 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 19, 2023, 09:35:07 PM
So basically then you could have purchased a ticket for £17, fill in a made up travel plan and not go to the game but get to keep your record going for Holland, Bosnia and any future games.Yep and I'm sure a fair few have.
Post by: Ads on September 19, 2023, 09:38:02 PM
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 19, 2023, 09:51:48 PM
Why?This.
Post by: VillaTim on September 19, 2023, 09:59:08 PM
Why?Booking history. Just like some do in EPL away games .
Post by: Ads on September 19, 2023, 10:10:11 PM
Post by: olaftab on September 19, 2023, 10:31:05 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 19, 2023, 10:32:42 PM
It’s the most Villa thing these days. They can’t do anything right away ticket wise. They have 270 odd unallocated tickets by people who purchased with no intention of going and there will now be a few more who will have done a travel plan with no intention of going either.Very very selfish of the entitled few
Maybe 400 empty seats Thursday.
And also entirely fictional at this moment.
Post by: dorsetvillian on September 19, 2023, 10:33:48 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 19, 2023, 10:58:34 PM
Spending money and building up history is a bunk argument. 270 or so not yet attested is not a huge number and it will get sorted in due course.Not huge ? It's like 15% of the away end ?
Post by: Ads on September 19, 2023, 11:00:08 PM
Post by: Pat McMahon on September 19, 2023, 11:37:30 PM
Got mine through on email. Although as I'm now in Krakow May need to ask politely of the hotel staff to see if they'll print for me otherwise relying on phone version. Assume we'll need passport ID at the ground. Or it's a licence for chaos at future games.
Where were you in Krakow tonight? I bumped into Steve Gough and some of his mates in a bar on the main square.
My mate in Warsaw says they sometimes check ID, but not consistently. It depends on the game and chance of trouble.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 20, 2023, 01:26:22 AM
Being back in Poland when the Villa are in Athens for the final would be even more depressing wouldn’t it?
Post by: Lsvilla on September 20, 2023, 05:10:46 AM
Cheers. Didn't arrive until late evening and an early start for a trip to Auschwitz today so stayed local to our hotel. Hopefully see more of the town tonight.Got mine through on email. Although as I'm now in Krakow May need to ask politely of the hotel staff to see if they'll print for me otherwise relying on phone version. Assume we'll need passport ID at the ground. Or it's a licence for chaos at future games.
Where were you in Krakow tonight? I bumped into Steve Gough and some of his mates in a bar on the main square.
My mate in Warsaw says they sometimes check ID, but not consistently. It depends on the game and chance of trouble.
Post by: frank black on September 20, 2023, 08:02:57 AM
Spending money and building up history is a bunk argument. 270 or so not yet attested is not a huge number and it will get sorted in due course.
I know quite a few that have full history but pick and choose their games and sell the spares to mates. I also know quite a few (the same folks) that would gladly pay £18 to keep up their booking history (TBF they didn’t this time, because they assumed they’d have to pick up the tickets over there)… can’t say I blame em, as in all honesty I’d do the same if I could.
Post by: Dave P on September 20, 2023, 09:13:01 AM
Post by: frank black on September 20, 2023, 09:41:46 AM
Lets play a game. Who here has had the most local rival fans tell you that this isn't a major trophy?
I think I’ve said it myself enough times 😂 I’m happy to enjoy the games and hopefully journey to the final. But it ain’t a major trophy (ducks for cover)
I wouldn’t expect to be singing champions of Europe next season if we win it, it’ll be progress for us.
Post by: dr.chekov on September 20, 2023, 09:43:54 AM
And we wouldn't sing champions of England if we won the FA/League Cup but we still want to win it/them, don't we?
Post by: chrisw1 on September 20, 2023, 09:54:23 AM
Post by: frank black on September 20, 2023, 09:56:49 AM
I’ll enjoy it, hope we win it. But I won’t be crying when the final whistle goes.
Post by: Risso on September 20, 2023, 09:57:32 AM
I don't consider it a major trophy. Clearly it would be nice to win it and West Ham fans certainly enjoyed it, but there's no way I'd class a third-tier Euro competition as a major trophy.
Whether you do or not, it is one. That's a simple fact.
Post by: AV82EC on September 20, 2023, 09:59:15 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 20, 2023, 10:00:33 AM
Didn't realise there was a definition. Even so, if the majority of people (outside of Villa and West Ham fans) don't think it is then it doesn't matter what you believe is fact or not.I don't consider it a major trophy. Clearly it would be nice to win it and West Ham fans certainly enjoyed it, but there's no way I'd class a third-tier Euro competition as a major trophy.
Whether you do or not, it is one. That's a simple fact.
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 20, 2023, 10:05:53 AM
Post by: Dave P on September 20, 2023, 10:33:33 AM
Argument for it being a major trophy - You have to qualify for it and the riff raff don't play in it.
Post by: Small Rodent on September 20, 2023, 11:03:50 AM
No way will they do passport checks at the ground. Legia won't give a shit. Would you want to take your passport anyway?
I have had to show mine at Polish league games and even a friendly. So take your passport just in case, but keep it safe.
Post by: john e on September 20, 2023, 11:09:20 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 20, 2023, 11:11:09 AM
It’s a major trophy, but not as major as the more major ones, but it’s still majorAs major trophies go it's pretty minor. I think I'd argue it's a major minor trophy more than a minor major one though.
Post by: VillaTim on September 20, 2023, 11:11:43 AM
the club have slightly started to crack down on it in the EPL, a certain number of tickets are randomly pick up at the away ticket office and you have to show ID to get them . I know people who have been caught and handed 3 game bans . It needs addressing properlySpending money and building up history is a bunk argument. 270 or so not yet attested is not a huge number and it will get sorted in due course.
I know quite a few that have full history but pick and choose their games and sell the spares to mates. I also know quite a few (the same folks) that would gladly pay £18 to keep up their booking history (TBF they didn’t this time, because they assumed they’d have to pick up the tickets over there)… can’t say I blame em, as in all honesty I’d do the same if I could.
Post by: VillaTim on September 20, 2023, 11:12:28 AM
I don't consider it a major trophy. Clearly it would be nice to win it and West Ham fans certainly enjoyed it, but there's no way I'd class a third-tier Euro competition as a major trophy.It isn't a major trophy as the best clubs aren't in it
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 20, 2023, 11:15:15 AM
I imagine the European Cup when we won it wasn't a big competition as a lot of the 'best clubs' weren't in that either.
Post by: Ads on September 20, 2023, 11:17:34 AM
Post by: Dave on September 20, 2023, 11:20:13 AM
I don't consider it a major trophy. Clearly it would be nice to win it and West Ham fans certainly enjoyed it, but there's no way I'd class a third-tier Euro competition as a major trophy.It isn't a major trophy as the best clubs aren't in it
A lot of the best clubs don't compete in the Premier League, Serie A or Bundesliga either.
Post by: VillaTim on September 20, 2023, 11:25:06 AM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 20, 2023, 11:29:13 AM
Post by: AV84 on September 20, 2023, 11:31:59 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 20, 2023, 11:32:20 AM
anyway if we can win it , its into the Europa League so it's definitely a step in the right direction.
Yes, exactly. It's a nice to have with a decent prize for where we are. For fans starved of European football for so long it's great. But the clubs we aspire to compete with would be gutted to even be in the competition, let alone consider it a major trophy.
Post by: VillaTim on September 20, 2023, 11:35:32 AM
Premier League > FA Cup > Conference > League Cup
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 20, 2023, 11:39:38 AM
I imagine the European Cup when we won it wasn't a big competition as a lot of the 'best clubs' weren't in that either.
The Bayern team might have made up a good chunk of the West Germany team in 1982 but they only got to the World Cup Final, didn't even win it.
Pfft, not a major achievement beating that lot of losers.
Post by: Axl Rose on September 20, 2023, 11:43:27 AM
I don't consider it a major trophy. Clearly it would be nice to win it and West Ham fans certainly enjoyed it, but there's no way I'd class a third-tier Euro competition as a major trophy.It isn't a major trophy as the best clubs aren't in it
We are in it.
Post by: Clampy on September 20, 2023, 11:45:22 AM
anyway if we can win it , its into the Europa League so it's definitely a step in the right direction.
Yes, exactly. It's a nice to have with a decent prize for where we are. For fans starved of European football for so long it's great. But the clubs we aspire to compete with would be gutted to even be in the competition, let alone consider it a major trophy.
After where we were when Emery came in, it's progress. I don't give a shit what other clubs think.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 20, 2023, 11:51:37 AM
Post by: Clampy on September 20, 2023, 11:54:34 AM
Post by: Small Rodent on September 20, 2023, 12:12:54 PM
That was tight!
Post by: Nunkin1965 on September 20, 2023, 12:27:00 PM
Ridiculous.I don't consider it a major trophy. Clearly it would be nice to win it and West Ham fans certainly enjoyed it, but there's no way I'd class a third-tier Euro competition as a major trophy.It isn't a major trophy as the best clubs aren't in it
We are in it.
Villa are playing European football again and progressing from Tuesday nights in the Championship.
3rd tier or not I'd class it as a major achievement if we manage to win it.
Other clubs are at different levels and used to being in higher ranked competitions but we're not there yet and any side in the top 10 come April or May aren't giving games away just in case they finish 7th.
Anyways I couldn't give a toss what other clubs fans think.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 20, 2023, 12:30:35 PM
It's bonkers and a little bit snobby.Nobody has said it's not progress. Nobody is turning their nose up at it. As far as I can tell everyone is very happy we qualified and glad we're in it. It will be excellent experience for the team and great fun if we win it.
All of that is an entirely different discussion as to whether to people consider it to be a major trophy. I personally don't. I didn't before we qualified and I don't now. I imagine a significant portion of PL football fans feel the same. I'm not sure why this brings out such a hysterical reaction and references to Rotherham etc.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 20, 2023, 12:34:10 PM
Ridiculous.I'm not sure what point you are making. Has anybody said that progressing from Tuesday nights in the Championship to winning the ECL wouldn't be a major achievement?
Villa are playing European football again and progressing from Tuesday nights in the Championship.
3rd tier or not I'd class it as a major achievement if we manage to win it.
Other clubs are at different levels and used to being in higher ranked competitions but we're not there yet and any side in the top 10 come April or May aren't giving games away just in case they finish 7th.
Anyways I couldn't give a toss what other clubs fans think.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 20, 2023, 12:34:31 PM
Post by: dave shelley on September 20, 2023, 12:36:56 PM
If they'd all entered in 1963 Blues wouldn't have won it.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on September 20, 2023, 12:48:53 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 20, 2023, 12:50:24 PM
I can't see Villa fans turning to each other after a super team goal goes in at the Holte End to win us a tight contest on a bonkers night under the lights and saying "That was awesome but it's only the 3rd tier of Europe".Again, nobody is remotely suggesting that will happen.
Post by: AV84 on September 20, 2023, 12:53:49 PM
I can't see Villa fans turning to each other after a super team goal goes in at the Holte End to win us a tight contest on a bonkers night under the lights and saying "That was awesome but it's only the 3rd tier of Europe".Again, nobody is remotely suggesting that will happen.
Yeah, to be fair, most of the conversation in regards to "3rd tier" is about whether we should be prioritising the league over the conference when it comes to team selection. I disagree with that, but it doesn't meant that those who think it won't enjoy seeing us do well in Europe.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 20, 2023, 12:57:14 PM
Post by: olaftab on September 20, 2023, 01:00:04 PM
Get a grip people. Exactly how many trophies have we won since 1996?I don't consider it a major trophy. Clearly it would be nice to win it and West Ham fans certainly enjoyed it, but there's no way I'd class a third-tier Euro competition as a major trophy.It isn't a major trophy as the best clubs aren't in it
It is a major trophy because you have to qualify for it by your League position in the toughest League in world football. Honestly some posts on here take me back to MON era when some on here were dismissing our regular stints in the Europa League as insignificant. From where we have been since then this is absolutely great. It is massive progress and we need to keep on moving up by hard work.
Post by: VillaTim on September 20, 2023, 01:19:14 PM
we won the past incarnation of this Conference in 2001 - Intertoto remember ? No you'd forgotten , just like in 10 years this will be forgotten. But here and now its a route to the Europa League so that is a good target. I still prioritise the League and FA Cup above it thoughGet a grip people. Exactly how many trophies have we won since 1996?I don't consider it a major trophy. Clearly it would be nice to win it and West Ham fans certainly enjoyed it, but there's no way I'd class a third-tier Euro competition as a major trophy.It isn't a major trophy as the best clubs aren't in it
Post by: Risso on September 20, 2023, 01:20:25 PM
Didn't realise there was a definition. Even so, if the majority of people (outside of Villa and West Ham fans) don't think it is then it doesn't matter what you believe is fact or not.I don't consider it a major trophy. Clearly it would be nice to win it and West Ham fans certainly enjoyed it, but there's no way I'd class a third-tier Euro competition as a major trophy.
Whether you do or not, it is one. That's a simple fact.
Well, it just is. Lots of Man City fans don't think the FA Cup is a major trophy either.
Post by: algy on September 20, 2023, 01:23:28 PM
Who do you think you are too decide how important trophies are? Do you think it's some kind of army rank thing and you're a major minor trophy major? I think if that's the case you're a pretty minor major minor trophy major!It’s a major trophy, but not as major as the more major ones, but it’s still majorAs major trophies go it's pretty minor. I think I'd argue it's a major minor trophy more than a minor major one though.
For what it's worth, I consider it to be the continental equivalent of the League Cup.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 20, 2023, 01:25:06 PM
The official entry spot for English clubs into the Conference is winning the League Cup. So from the very first step of the 2 competitions they are nothing alike.
Post by: Monty on September 20, 2023, 01:25:42 PM
Who do you think you are too decide how important trophies are? Do you think it's some kind of army rank thing and you're a major minor trophy major? I think if that's the case you're a pretty minor major minor trophy major!It’s a major trophy, but not as major as the more major ones, but it’s still majorAs major trophies go it's pretty minor. I think I'd argue it's a major minor trophy more than a minor major one though.
For what it's worth, I consider it to be the continental equivalent of the League Cup.
Yes, Europa League is the FA Cup (sadly!) and the Champions League is, well, the league.
Post by: Monty on September 20, 2023, 01:26:05 PM
Didn't realise there was a definition. Even so, if the majority of people (outside of Villa and West Ham fans) don't think it is then it doesn't matter what you believe is fact or not.I don't consider it a major trophy. Clearly it would be nice to win it and West Ham fans certainly enjoyed it, but there's no way I'd class a third-tier Euro competition as a major trophy.
Whether you do or not, it is one. That's a simple fact.
Well, it just is. Lots of Man City fans don't think the FA Cup is a major trophy either.
Yeah but they're a bunch of feckless twats.
Post by: Clampy on September 20, 2023, 01:26:10 PM
Didn't realise there was a definition. Even so, if the majority of people (outside of Villa and West Ham fans) don't think it is then it doesn't matter what you believe is fact or not.I don't consider it a major trophy. Clearly it would be nice to win it and West Ham fans certainly enjoyed it, but there's no way I'd class a third-tier Euro competition as a major trophy.
Whether you do or not, it is one. That's a simple fact.
Well, it just is. Lots of Man City fans don't think the FA Cup is a major trophy either.
Look at how many Arsenal fans were on their way home whilst their team were lifting the FA Cup after beating us?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 20, 2023, 01:29:12 PM
Didn't realise there was a definition. Even so, if the majority of people (outside of Villa and West Ham fans) don't think it is then it doesn't matter what you believe is fact or not.I don't consider it a major trophy. Clearly it would be nice to win it and West Ham fans certainly enjoyed it, but there's no way I'd class a third-tier Euro competition as a major trophy.
Whether you do or not, it is one. That's a simple fact.
Well, it just is. Lots of Man City fans don't think the FA Cup is a major trophy either.
Look at how many Arsenal fans were on their way home whilst their team were lifting the FA Cup after beating us?
I'd rather not look at anything which happened that day.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 20, 2023, 01:30:07 PM
I doubt there's a single UK based Man City fan who thinks that.Didn't realise there was a definition. Even so, if the majority of people (outside of Villa and West Ham fans) don't think it is then it doesn't matter what you believe is fact or not.I don't consider it a major trophy. Clearly it would be nice to win it and West Ham fans certainly enjoyed it, but there's no way I'd class a third-tier Euro competition as a major trophy.
Whether you do or not, it is one. That's a simple fact.
Well, it just is. Lots of Man City fans don't think the FA Cup is a major trophy either.
Post by: VillaTim on September 20, 2023, 01:30:35 PM
It's nothing like the Intertoto. Why do people keep saying that?the tournament is designed for lower ranking UEFA nations to have a go at winning something - think Malta, Faroes, Kazaksthan etc . I don't think it was ever meant for the bigger nations to take it so seriously but they have
The official entry spot for English clubs into the Conference is winning the League Cup. So from the very first step of the 2 competitions they are nothing alike.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 20, 2023, 01:31:40 PM
It's nothing like the Intertoto. Why do people keep saying that?the tournament is designed for lower ranking UEFA nations to have a go at winning something - think Malta, Faroes, Kazaksthan etc . I don't think it was ever meant for the bigger nations to take it so seriously but they have
The official entry spot for English clubs into the Conference is winning the League Cup. So from the very first step of the 2 competitions they are nothing alike.
That much is true. It definitely wasn't designed for the likes of Roma or West Ham to win it.
Post by: Pat McMahon on September 20, 2023, 01:31:51 PM
Cheers. Didn't arrive until late evening and an early start for a trip to Auschwitz today so stayed local to our hotel. Hopefully see more of the town tonight.Got mine through on email. Although as I'm now in Krakow May need to ask politely of the hotel staff to see if they'll print for me otherwise relying on phone version. Assume we'll need passport ID at the ground. Or it's a licence for chaos at future games.
Where were you in Krakow tonight? I bumped into Steve Gough and some of his mates in a bar on the main square.
My mate in Warsaw says they sometimes check ID, but not consistently. It depends on the game and chance of trouble.
Blimey I was in Auschwitz yesterday too. Arrived in Warsaw an hour ago. Have a good trip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 20, 2023, 01:32:44 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 20, 2023, 01:39:04 PM
Post by: Dave on September 20, 2023, 01:42:22 PM
It's nothing like the Intertoto. Why do people keep saying that?the tournament is designed for lower ranking UEFA nations to have a go at winning something - think Malta, Faroes, Kazaksthan etc . I don't think it was ever meant for the bigger nations to take it so seriously but they have
The official entry spot for English clubs into the Conference is winning the League Cup. So from the very first step of the 2 competitions they are nothing alike.
Which is nothing like what the Intertoto Cup was. The Intertoto was originally dreamt up so that there was a competition happening to allow sports betting to continue over the summer.
Toto is even the German term for the football pools.
Post by: achilles on September 20, 2023, 01:42:27 PM
I'd recommend reading The Escape Artist by Jonathan Friedland if visiting Auschwitz.
A brilliant read!
Post by: VillaTim on September 20, 2023, 01:46:47 PM
interesting , i didn't know thatIt's nothing like the Intertoto. Why do people keep saying that?the tournament is designed for lower ranking UEFA nations to have a go at winning something - think Malta, Faroes, Kazaksthan etc . I don't think it was ever meant for the bigger nations to take it so seriously but they have
The official entry spot for English clubs into the Conference is winning the League Cup. So from the very first step of the 2 competitions they are nothing alike.
Which is nothing like what the Intertoto Cup was. The Intertoto was originally dreamt up so that there was a competition happening to allow sports betting to continue over the summer.
Toto is even the German term for the football pools.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 20, 2023, 01:51:18 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 20, 2023, 01:53:06 PM
It's nothing like the Intertoto. Why do people keep saying that?the tournament is designed for lower ranking UEFA nations to have a go at winning something - think Malta, Faroes, Kazaksthan etc . I don't think it was ever meant for the bigger nations to take it so seriously but they have
The official entry spot for English clubs into the Conference is winning the League Cup. So from the very first step of the 2 competitions they are nothing alike.
Toto is even the German term for the football pools.
What do they call it in Africa?
Post by: Dave on September 20, 2023, 01:54:09 PM
I don't think it was designed for clubs from small nations to win it. It was maybe partly done to give them a chance of a bit of a run but the fact the major nations all have a team in it, and that teams from the Europa drop into it, means that the odds of a small nation winning it are all but zero. By the QF stage any true minnows have gone.
I think we're all wise enough to know that the real reason that it exists is that clubs, sponsors and governing bodies all want more matches, because more matches = more money.
Who does well and who wins them obviously isn't something that they're bothered about.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 20, 2023, 01:55:17 PM
It's nothing like the Intertoto. Why do people keep saying that?the tournament is designed for lower ranking UEFA nations to have a go at winning something - think Malta, Faroes, Kazaksthan etc . I don't think it was ever meant for the bigger nations to take it so seriously but they have
The official entry spot for English clubs into the Conference is winning the League Cup. So from the very first step of the 2 competitions they are nothing alike.
That much is true. It definitely wasn't designed for the likes of Roma or West Ham to win it.
First contested in the 2021–22 season, the competition serves as the bottom level of the Europa League, which was reduced from 48 to 32 teams in the group stage. The competition is primarily contested by teams from lower-ranked UEFA member associations.[1] No teams qualify directly to the group stage, with 10 teams eliminated in the Europa League play-offs and the rest coming from the Europa Conference League qualifiers
UEFA had reportedly considered adding a third-tier competition since at least 2015, believing that a bottom-level tournament could act as a means of giving clubs from lower-ranked UEFA member countries a chance of progressing beyond their customary elimination from the Champions League and Europa League.[3]
Make your own mind up, but that is the background.
For me it's akin to winning the plate at a football tournament - the competition to keep interest for the shitter teams.
That's not to say that anyone who may share this view doesn't want to win it, all the stuff about progress etc etc. The benefits to us playing in it are obvious. It's just some (a lot I'd bet) don't consider a third-tier competition to be a major trophy.
I strongly suspect Jacob Ramsey feels the same, but he'll still do the bouncy trophy on the head photo if we win it.
Post by: Small Rodent on September 20, 2023, 02:00:50 PM
I think he was called Steve…but I was a little drunk at the time.
Post by: Lucky Eddie on September 20, 2023, 02:03:02 PM
we won the past incarnation of this Conference in 2001 - Intertoto remember ? No you'd forgotten , just like in 10 years this will be forgotten. But here and now its a route to the Europa League so that is a good target. I still prioritise the League and FA Cup above it thoughGet a grip people. Exactly how many trophies have we won since 1996?I don't consider it a major trophy. Clearly it would be nice to win it and West Ham fans certainly enjoyed it, but there's no way I'd class a third-tier Euro competition as a major trophy.It isn't a major trophy as the best clubs aren't in it
Speak for yourself; I hadn't forgotten our Intertoto win and I'll never forget our recent trip to Edinburgh.
Lifes what you make it and me and mine are relishing european adventures once more.
I hope I have as much fun as when we won the European Cup of Traditions which I haven't forgotten about either.
Post by: Dick Edwards on September 20, 2023, 02:04:23 PM
Post by: Clampy on September 20, 2023, 02:11:35 PM
Met a few Villa fans last night. One used to sell H&V but not a messageboard person. Very pleasant bloke. Tall…50ish, been to see Villa in USA and Australia.
I think he was called Steve…but I was a little drunk at the time.
Sounds like Steve Whitehouse.
Post by: AV84 on September 20, 2023, 02:35:05 PM
Apart from the opportunity to win what is a rather attractive trophy, the ECL winners qualify for next season's Europa League, a competition that you'd otherwise have to finish sixth in the Premier League or win one of the domestic cups to get in to.
Also this allows us to win Europa next season and have all 3 European trophies in our cabinet. Man City will never do that!
Post by: Somniloquism on September 20, 2023, 03:02:08 PM
I don't think it was designed for clubs from small nations to win it. It was maybe partly done to give them a chance of a bit of a run but the fact the major nations all have a team in it, and that teams from the Europa drop into it, means that the odds of a small nation winning it are all but zero. By the QF stage any true minnows have gone.
Countries appearing in the two finals of the competition. Italy Twice, England once, Netherlands once. Definitely minnows.
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 20, 2023, 03:19:08 PM
Well Jacob should have asked his mates who played against Stevenage "why were you so shit lads,"It's nothing like the Intertoto. Why do people keep saying that?the tournament is designed for lower ranking UEFA nations to have a go at winning something - think Malta, Faroes, Kazaksthan etc . I don't think it was ever meant for the bigger nations to take it so seriously but they have
The official entry spot for English clubs into the Conference is winning the League Cup. So from the very first step of the 2 competitions they are nothing alike.
That much is true. It definitely wasn't designed for the likes of Roma or West Ham to win it.
First contested in the 2021–22 season, the competition serves as the bottom level of the Europa League, which was reduced from 48 to 32 teams in the group stage. The competition is primarily contested by teams from lower-ranked UEFA member associations.[1] No teams qualify directly to the group stage, with 10 teams eliminated in the Europa League play-offs and the rest coming from the Europa Conference League qualifiers
UEFA had reportedly considered adding a third-tier competition since at least 2015, believing that a bottom-level tournament could act as a means of giving clubs from lower-ranked UEFA member countries a chance of progressing beyond their customary elimination from the Champions League and Europa League.[3]
Make your own mind up, but that is the background.
For me it's akin to winning the plate at a football tournament - the competition to keep interest for the shitter teams.
That's not to say that anyone who may share this view doesn't want to win it, all the stuff about progress etc etc. The benefits to us playing in it are obvious. It's just some (a lot I'd bet) don't consider a third-tier competition to be a major trophy.
I strongly suspect Jacob Ramsey feels the same, but he'll still do the bouncy trophy on the head photo if we win it.
Post by: Small Rodent on September 20, 2023, 04:31:31 PM
Met a few Villa fans last night. One used to sell H&V but not a messageboard person. Very pleasant bloke. Tall…50ish, been to see Villa in USA and Australia.
I think he was called Steve…but I was a little drunk at the time.
Sounds like Steve Whitehouse.
Could well be.
I’ve just met another H&Ver Liam. It’s brilliant being here.
Post by: frank black on September 20, 2023, 04:35:28 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 21, 2023, 01:32:17 AM
I am genuinely excited by this competition though so it means something to me now in a way the League Cup just doesn't. Maybe I'll think differently in ten years but I won't give a shit whilst I'm getting annoyed about where the new star is that our lion will be playing with.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 21, 2023, 01:48:21 AM
Met a few Villa fans last night. One used to sell H&V but not a messageboard person. Very pleasant bloke. Tall…50ish, been to see Villa in USA and Australia.
I think he was called Steve…but I was a little drunk at the time.
Steve Whitehouse.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 21, 2023, 01:51:38 AM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 21, 2023, 01:55:45 AM
I actually think the League Cup is better than the FA Cup, much as I’d prefer us to win the latter. It doesn’t interfere with the league games and has a much more exciting semi-final.
Fair enough, Percy. I genuinely don't think I've ever heard anyone else have that opinion.
FA Cup semis at Wembley will always be a shit idea.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 21, 2023, 01:59:20 AM
I actually think the League Cup is better than the FA Cup, much as I’d prefer us to win the latter. It doesn’t interfere with the league games and has a much more exciting semi-final.
Fair enough, Percy. I genuinely don't think I've ever heard anyone else have that opinion.
FA Cup semis at Wembley will always be a shit idea.
It’s a rare opinion for sure, but it is shared by The Villa Podcast, who convinced me. Also, I love midweek games as I take the night off for them. I finish work at 6 on Saturday mornings and am back in at 6 on Sunday morning so weekend games really fuck with my very limited time.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 21, 2023, 02:01:40 AM
I actually think the League Cup is better than the FA Cup, much as I’d prefer us to win the latter. It doesn’t interfere with the league games and has a much more exciting semi-final.
Fair enough, Percy. I genuinely don't think I've ever heard anyone else have that opinion.
FA Cup semis at Wembley will always be a shit idea.
It’s a rare opinion for sure, but it is shared by The Villa Podcast, who convinced me.
Ahh, I only started listening to them about 3 months ago. Funny lads, even when I don't agree with them. I'll always love the Pep Guardiola rant.
Post by: Martyn Smith on September 21, 2023, 06:26:41 AM
I actually think the League Cup is better than the FA Cup, much as I’d prefer us to win the latter. It doesn’t interfere with the league games and has a much more exciting semi-final.
Fair enough, Percy. I genuinely don't think I've ever heard anyone else have that opinion.
FA Cup semis at Wembley will always be a shit idea.
Well, they gotta pay the mortgage for it somehow.
The Millennium Stadium is there, has the facilities and capacity, and is crying out to be used as a neutral semi-final venue, for both cups
Post by: algy on September 21, 2023, 06:55:00 AM
This, a million times over. Most clubs' supporters never get to go on a European adventure in their lifetime, and the percentage of those is getting smaller now, since they're almost always divvied up by league position and the top 5 at least don't change that much year-on-year.we won the past incarnation of this Conference in 2001 - Intertoto remember ? No you'd forgotten , just like in 10 years this will be forgotten. But here and now its a route to the Europa League so that is a good target. I still prioritise the League and FA Cup above it thoughGet a grip people. Exactly how many trophies have we won since 1996?I don't consider it a major trophy. Clearly it would be nice to win it and West Ham fans certainly enjoyed it, but there's no way I'd class a third-tier Euro competition as a major trophy.It isn't a major trophy as the best clubs aren't in it
Speak for yourself; I hadn't forgotten our Intertoto win and I'll never forget our recent trip to Edinburgh.
Lifes what you make it and me and mine are relishing european adventures once more.
I hope I have as much fun as when we won the European Cup of Traditions which I haven't forgotten about either.
Post by: algy on September 21, 2023, 07:00:46 AM
My dad's been saying the same for a few years now. It's also the first piece of silverware of the season, so significant in that way, whereas the FA Cup - having been slowly downgraded in recent years anyway, kind of gets lost where it is.I actually think the League Cup is better than the FA Cup, much as I’d prefer us to win the latter. It doesn’t interfere with the league games and has a much more exciting semi-final.
Fair enough, Percy. I genuinely don't think I've ever heard anyone else have that opinion.
FA Cup semis at Wembley will always be a shit idea.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 21, 2023, 08:15:57 AM
Did hear a theory that nowadays it's easier to win the FA Cup, than League Cup. 2 legged Semi, so less likely to upset a top team and top teams more likely to rest players later on in FA Cup, if they're concentrating on Europe/Premier League.
Post by: olaftab on September 21, 2023, 08:32:08 AM
Post by: Pat McMahon on September 21, 2023, 10:00:08 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on September 21, 2023, 10:04:49 AM
Some great fun last night. Met inMolly Malone’s, Villa rallying point with the security and tickets staff, and watched some of the football. We then had some brilliant food nearby in the old town followed by the Kraft bar which was quiet, and the War Saw which was heaving. Got thrown out at closing time and I have a sore head this morning. Hoping to slowly recover before the game.
Enjoy mate! Wish I was there with you boys!
Post by: Nii Lamptey on September 21, 2023, 10:11:42 AM
Some great fun last night. Met inMolly Malone’s, Villa rallying point with the security and tickets staff, and watched some of the football. We then had some brilliant food nearby in the old town followed by the Kraft bar which was quiet, and the War Saw which was heaving. Got thrown out at closing time and I have a sore head this morning. Hoping to slowly recover before the game.
Enjoy, and stay safe everyone! UTV
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 21, 2023, 10:20:59 AM
Some great fun last night. Met inMolly Malone’s, Villa rallying point with the security and tickets staff, and watched some of the football. We then had some brilliant food nearby in the old town followed by the Kraft bar which was quiet, and the War Saw which was heaving. Got thrown out at closing time and I have a sore head this morning. Hoping to slowly recover before the game.
Glad you're having fun and staying safe, but it'll all kick off now that Aftab's on his way. :(
Post by: eamonn on September 21, 2023, 10:36:42 AM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on September 21, 2023, 10:59:09 AM
Some great fun last night. Met inMolly Malone’s, Villa rallying point with the security and tickets staff, and watched some of the football. We then had some brilliant food nearby in the old town followed by the Kraft bar which was quiet, and the War Saw which was heaving. Got thrown out at closing time and I have a sore head this morning. Hoping to slowly recover before the game.Have a boss time !
Post by: olaftab on September 21, 2023, 12:14:09 PM
Arrived to keep an eye on everyone😂Some great fun last night. Met inMolly Malone’s, Villa rallying point with the security and tickets staff, and watched some of the football. We then had some brilliant food nearby in the old town followed by the Kraft bar which was quiet, and the War Saw which was heaving. Got thrown out at closing time and I have a sore head this morning. Hoping to slowly recover before the game.
Glad you're having fun and staying safe, but it'll all kick off now that Aftab's on his way. :(
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 21, 2023, 12:42:29 PM
Not sure if this has been shared already. Gav must be WarsavaVillan. Is Jo on here?
Post by: Dave on September 21, 2023, 12:43:44 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 21, 2023, 12:44:30 PM
Post by: Martyn Smith on September 21, 2023, 03:26:00 PM
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Going to be in Brum 5 Oct and was planning to go to this.. just WTAF? Yes sure, commerce has come before paying fans for a long time now. But its actually, deliberately blocking the view of the pitch. That is a new low...
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 21, 2023, 03:35:00 PM
Post by: Martyn Smith on September 21, 2023, 03:40:23 PM
There's a chance that it's actually a UEFA requirement. They have so many that I can't be arsed looking through them all but they do, I think, have them even for hoardings etc.
I'm sure it is. Whoever mandates it, it sucks. How about a rule that they *must not* obstruct the view of the pitch?...
Post by: Bully2345 on September 21, 2023, 04:18:30 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 21, 2023, 04:31:06 PM
It's a UEFA thing. I've definitely seen Liverpool and Celtic have to empty the front few rows because of it.
Yes, same at Ibrox for their European games.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 22, 2023, 09:16:18 AM
Post by: Holte L2 on September 22, 2023, 10:32:06 AM
Post by: Bad English on September 22, 2023, 11:28:28 AM
Did anyone manage to buy a match day programme? I didn't see any for sale in the away end? If anyone knows how to get one I would really appreciate it.
"Czy to jest program? Tak, nazywa się Bohaterowie. i złoczyńcy."
Post by: olaftab on September 22, 2023, 02:29:46 PM
Did anyone manage to buy a match day programme? I didn't see any for sale in the away end? If anyone knows how to get one I would really appreciate it.No, but I did buy a glass for tap water for £1.95😂
Didn’t see any programme sellers but the isolation and containerisation of away fans was stifling to the extreme.
Post by: Ads on September 22, 2023, 02:53:00 PM
Post by: AV82EC on September 22, 2023, 03:38:32 PM
Post by: Risso on September 22, 2023, 03:47:09 PM
Yep freezing your bollocks off waiting to be let out to then be effectively kettled and not allowed to walk back to your hotel for another hour was fucked up.
Couldn't be arsed with that shite any more, it's not the 80s, and if that's what playing in Europe is going to be like they can stick it.
Post by: Ads on September 22, 2023, 04:32:24 PM
The kettling at the top of the drive way made zero sense given there were 20 odd horses, scores of vans and hundreds of police, without a Legia scrote anywhere near.
I hope we lock them in for 3 days. We had a shit time of it because they're a bunch of retrograde skin head twats. Fuck em.
Post by: Small Rodent on September 22, 2023, 04:39:19 PM
I can only guess that this is what happens weekly and is routine.
Everyone I have seen have behaved fine, so I understand the confusion with the police’s attitude.
Post by: wittonwarrior on September 22, 2023, 05:15:42 PM
Post by: Small Rodent on September 22, 2023, 05:21:12 PM
3 days I’d deport each and everyone of them that turns up at villa park. Ps big👍 to our stewards who turned up and assisted despite having to deal with brain dead poles
Why deport?
The Polish have been marvellous in all the places I have been. The Villa fans I have encountered all have enjoyed their stay. Some were even asking how to say Polish numbers to make it easier for the staff.
Policing is s different matter.
Post by: Scratchins on September 22, 2023, 05:50:31 PM
Post by: Lsvilla on September 22, 2023, 06:17:24 PM
Post match experience similar to many others. Held in and then faced with a police line. Not allowed to walk back to the hotel but allowed out to get an Uber. He then cancelled on us 2 minutes away (presumably couldn't be arsed fighting through the traffic) but got a normal taxi which he confirmed was on the meter. Didn't mention he was going to add on various made-up tariffs to drive it up to a £60 fare for a 10 minute ride - but negotiated this down to just a minor rip-off. And then got a free pint in the Grand Sheraton due to a cock-up so balanced out.
On balance I get the policing strategy given the previous problems and ultimately everyone was kept safe. Could have been miles better but equally could have been much worse.
Post by: Small Rodent on September 22, 2023, 06:27:29 PM
The policing was over the top and disproportionate. I was stressed out, I had private travel arrangements and if I couldn't get out in time risked not being able to fly last night. I kept being told to join the bus queue. You build in possible delays but 3 hours after the match for an estimated 45 minute journey was certainly not envisaged. The rest of the day - apart from the result - was great.
Yes, that is bad. I find going to a game stressful in itself. I never feel U am in control if anything home or away.
Post by: Clampy on September 22, 2023, 06:56:42 PM
Post by: Holte L2 on September 22, 2023, 07:32:42 PM
Numerous Ubers cancelled us before finally getting one. We really should get our own back for the return match and make the Leiga fuckers stay inside the ground for 2 hours after the match
The lack of communication was the worst bit.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 22, 2023, 07:36:42 PM
I hope we lock them in for 3 days. We had a shit time of it because they're a bunch of retrograde skin head twats. Fuck em.
What would be the point of that?
Doing what we're complaining about being done to us?
Post by: Nev on September 22, 2023, 08:22:21 PM
I hope all fans are treated well at Villa Park.
Post by: Ads on September 22, 2023, 09:19:24 PM
I hope we lock them in for 3 days. We had a shit time of it because they're a bunch of retrograde skin head twats. Fuck em.
What would be the point of that?
Doing what we're complaining about being done to us?
Their fans are massive twats and we suffered because they're massive twats. Let them endure a couple of extra hours in the Witton.
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 22, 2023, 09:38:47 PM
So no different than a trip to The Sty.I hope we lock them in for 3 days. We had a shit time of it because they're a bunch of retrograde skin head twats. Fuck em.
What would be the point of that?
Doing what we're complaining about being done to us?
Their fans are massive twats and we suffered because they're massive twats.
Post by: dorsetvillian on September 22, 2023, 10:52:53 PM
Post by: Pat McMahon on September 23, 2023, 01:25:39 AM
Just landed at Gatwick. Should be home by 4 AM. Four if us travelled and apart from the after match nightmare we had a great trip. Flew back from Krakow today and spent time in the lovely old town. Did talk to a youngish Villa fan from Newcastle at Krakow airport who like us walked to the game. He said he got pinned against a wall by some of the Legia fans passing the home end but luckily the police came to his rescue very quickly. That's the only account if any bother we heard of. Hopefully he had a safe trip home.
Was that Aidan, a lad with the Irish flag? We were with him on Wednesday.
I was with Brits who live in Warsaw near the halfway line so we were sat at a bar near the ground 10 -15 minutes after the final whistle. It did seem like a crazy amount of policing and also very heavy handed in keeping people in for so long. Everyone I met was decent, including bar staff in the centre and old town, but I’ve heard of a couple of isolated incidents. At breakfast today, the bloke who runs Kingswinford Lions said his son had his hat nicked near the ground - they went in a taxi and were followed by a small mob looking for trophies - and one of the Sutton Coldfield club blokes was knocked over by a big bugger on Wednesday night. Some scrapes but nothing major.
Most of the Poles have been brilliant. Friendly and fun, and keen to know what we think of Poland. It’s a fab country based on my week here
Post by: Axl Rose on September 23, 2023, 02:04:34 AM
Just landed at Gatwick. Should be home by 4 AM. Four if us travelled and apart from the after match nightmare we had a great trip. Flew back from Krakow today and spent time in the lovely old town. Did talk to a youngish Villa fan from Newcastle at Krakow airport who like us walked to the game. He said he got pinned against a wall by some of the Legia fans passing the home end but luckily the police came to his rescue very quickly. That's the only account if any bother we heard of. Hopefully he had a safe trip home.
Was that Aidan, a lad with the Irish flag? We were with him on Wednesday.
I was with Brits who live in Warsaw near the halfway line so we were sat at a bar near the ground 10 -15 minutes after the final whistle. It did seem like a crazy amount of policing and also very heavy handed in keeping people in for so long. Everyone I met was decent, including bar staff in the centre and old town, but I’ve heard of a couple of isolated incidents. At breakfast today, the bloke who runs Kingswinford Lions said his son had his hat nicked near the ground - they went in a taxi and were followed by a small mob looking for trophies - and one of the Sutton Coldfield club blokes was knocked over by a big bugger on Wednesday night. Some scrapes but nothing major.
Most of the Poles have been brilliant. Friendly and fun, and keen to know what we think of Poland. It’s a fab country based on my week here
Good write up, mate.
That's exactly what I thought of Poland, generally. I suspect a lot has changed since 2008, but everywhere I went, people were decent, hospitable and most had links to England with family living or working there.
Only when I crossed over into Belarus or Ukraine did I encounter the occasional bellend who wanted to fight, argue about politics etc etc. Things I have absolutely no interest in or much knowledge of.
And the women in all three above mentioned countries were often stunning. I was walking around Minsk with my eyes popping out 😂
Post by: Axl Rose on September 23, 2023, 02:06:37 AM
Two wrongs don't make a right.
I hope all fans are treated well at Villa Park.
Apart from Bluenoses and Birmingham reds, of course! 😂
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 23, 2023, 04:55:10 AM
Warsaw Poland last night🤷🏿♂️lads my age in hotel got landed on by Polish ultras . Went off 💥👊🏿 beaten up, followed em . They had Villa tops on 🤦🏼♂️ they are ok but bruised and shook up . Group of 12 attacked them. That would never have happened with CCREW, furthermore I always know my surroundings🤷🏿♂️ this is why 100% chartered flight will be sorted for Bosnia 🇧🇦 those Genghis Khan ****** will come riding in on horse back with long swords.
Post by: Bad English on September 23, 2023, 05:51:26 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/z22g24B/Screenshot-20230430-131859.png) (https://ibb.co/qgg8grc)Two wrongs don't make a right.
I hope all fans are treated well at Villa Park.
Apart from Bluenoses and Birmingham reds, of course! 😂
Post by: Pat McMahon on September 23, 2023, 09:29:59 AM
Just landed at Gatwick. Should be home by 4 AM. Four if us travelled and apart from the after match nightmare we had a great trip. Flew back from Krakow today and spent time in the lovely old town. Did talk to a youngish Villa fan from Newcastle at Krakow airport who like us walked to the game. He said he got pinned against a wall by some of the Legia fans passing the home end but luckily the police came to his rescue very quickly. That's the only account if any bother we heard of. Hopefully he had a safe trip home.
Was that Aidan, a lad with the Irish flag? We were with him on Wednesday.
I was with Brits who live in Warsaw near the halfway line so we were sat at a bar near the ground 10 -15 minutes after the final whistle. It did seem like a crazy amount of policing and also very heavy handed in keeping people in for so long. Everyone I met was decent, including bar staff in the centre and old town, but I’ve heard of a couple of isolated incidents. At breakfast today, the bloke who runs Kingswinford Lions said his son had his hat nicked near the ground - they went in a taxi and were followed by a small mob looking for trophies - and one of the Sutton Coldfield club blokes was knocked over by a big bugger on Wednesday night. Some scrapes but nothing major.
Most of the Poles have been brilliant. Friendly and fun, and keen to know what we think of Poland. It’s a fab country based on my week here
Good write up, mate.
That's exactly what I thought of Poland, generally. I suspect a lot has changed since 2008, but everywhere I went, people were decent, hospitable and most had links to England with family living or working there.
Only when I crossed over into Belarus or Ukraine did I encounter the occasional bellend who wanted to fight, argue about politics etc etc. Things I have absolutely no interest in or much knowledge of.
And the women in all three above mentioned countries were often stunning. I was walking around Minsk with my eyes popping out 😂
A running joke out here among Villa fans has been the prospect of getting nicked by one of the numerous gorgeous police women ：）
Post by: Pat McMahon on September 23, 2023, 09:33:52 AM
There was a bit of trouble according to my mate’s message on WhatsApp:
Warsaw Poland last night🤷🏿♂️lads my age in hotel got landed on by Polish ultras . Went off 💥👊🏿 beaten up, followed em . They had Villa tops on 🤦🏼♂️ they are ok but bruised and shook up . Group of 12 attacked them. That would never have happened with CCREW, furthermore I always know my surroundings🤷🏿♂️ this is why 100% chartered flight will be sorted for Bosnia 🇧🇦 those Genghis Khan ****** will come riding in on horse back with long swords.
Was that in the old town Percy? Some lads last night were saying a massive bloke was in one bar and walking around with a Stanley knife, popping the blade up and down, trying to bait or intimidate people.
There are some very big blokes out here. Some fellows we know who did the stadium tour said there is a Legia fight club opposite the stadium!
Post by: Axl Rose on September 23, 2023, 09:52:10 AM
There was a bit of trouble according to my mate’s message on WhatsApp:
Warsaw Poland last night🤷🏿♂️lads my age in hotel got landed on by Polish ultras . Went off 💥👊🏿 beaten up, followed em . They had Villa tops on 🤦🏼♂️ they are ok but bruised and shook up . Group of 12 attacked them. That would never have happened with CCREW, furthermore I always know my surroundings🤷🏿♂️ this is why 100% chartered flight will be sorted for Bosnia 🇧🇦 those Genghis Khan ****** will come riding in on horse back with long swords.
Was that in the old town Percy? Some lads last night were saying a massive bloke was in one bar and walking around with a Stanley knife, popping the blade up and down, trying to bait or intimidate people.
There are some very big blokes out here. Some fellows we know who did the stadium tour said there is a Legia fight club opposite the stadium!
He sounds like the complete opposite of those policewomen!
Post by: Martyn Smith on September 23, 2023, 09:52:53 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/z22g24B/Screenshot-20230430-131859.png) (https://ibb.co/qgg8grc)Two wrongs don't make a right.
I hope all fans are treated well at Villa Park.
Apart from Bluenoses and Birmingham reds, of course! 😂
Brummie Reds, who individually have no link to Manchester, I have no time for. Except maybe those who are genuine enough to at least attend some games outside of the Midlands. Cockney Reds ditto. Just can't stand those who put a badge on and don't even make any attempt to follow the team properly beyond the odd showpiece. At least with Bluenoses you know they are going to be genuine
Post by: Martyn Smith on September 23, 2023, 09:57:52 AM
There was a bit of trouble according to my mate’s message on WhatsApp:
Warsaw Poland last night🤷🏿♂️lads my age in hotel got landed on by Polish ultras . Went off 💥👊🏿 beaten up, followed em . They had Villa tops on 🤦🏼♂️ they are ok but bruised and shook up . Group of 12 attacked them. That would never have happened with CCREW, furthermore I always know my surroundings🤷🏿♂️ this is why 100% chartered flight will be sorted for Bosnia 🇧🇦 those Genghis Khan ****** will come riding in on horse back with long swords.
Was that in the old town Percy? Some lads last night were saying a massive bloke was in one bar and walking around with a Stanley knife, popping the blade up and down, trying to bait or intimidate people.
There are some very big blokes out here. Some fellows we know who did the stadium tour said there is a Legia fight club opposite the stadium!
He sounds like the complete opposite of those policewomen!
This is a tactic I first saw at the Japan/S Korea W/C in '02. Line the barriers with young female PCs. It's a clever diffusion tactic, in presenting a front that the fuckwits cannot in their own minds credibly rail against
Post by: olaftab on September 23, 2023, 10:16:12 AM
Post by: olaftab on September 23, 2023, 10:39:43 AM
Indeed. A totally bizarre comment above.3 days I’d deport each and everyone of them that turns up at villa park. Ps big👍 to our stewards who turned up and assisted despite having to deal with brain dead poles
Why deport?
The Polish have been marvellous in all the places I have been. The Villa fans I have encountered all have enjoyed their stay.
Post by: Axl Rose on September 23, 2023, 10:59:45 AM
Indeed. A totally bizarre comment above.3 days I’d deport each and everyone of them that turns up at villa park. Ps big👍 to our stewards who turned up and assisted despite having to deal with brain dead poles
Why deport?
The Polish have been marvellous in all the places I have been. The Villa fans I have encountered all have enjoyed their stay.
Bizarre being very polite for utter fucking nonsense.
You're right about Warsaw by the way, mate. A great city. If I ever move back to Europe it's a toss up between Poland, Italy and Portugal.
Not England because I'd be looking over my shoulder all the time fearing deportation 😂
Post by: VillaTim on September 23, 2023, 11:01:16 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 23, 2023, 11:43:03 PM
There was a bit of trouble according to my mate’s message on WhatsApp:
Warsaw Poland last night🤷🏿♂️lads my age in hotel got landed on by Polish ultras . Went off 💥👊🏿 beaten up, followed em . They had Villa tops on 🤦🏼♂️ they are ok but bruised and shook up . Group of 12 attacked them. That would never have happened with CCREW, furthermore I always know my surroundings🤷🏿♂️ this is why 100% chartered flight will be sorted for Bosnia 🇧🇦 those Genghis Khan ****** will come riding in on horse back with long swords.
Was that in the old town Percy? Some lads last night were saying a massive bloke was in one bar and walking around with a Stanley knife, popping the blade up and down, trying to bait or intimidate people.
There are some very big blokes out here. Some fellows we know who did the stadium tour said there is a Legia fight club opposite the stadium!
That was the whole message that pertained to the match Pat.
Post by: CT on September 24, 2023, 07:32:23 AM
We found a cracking bar (Da Gusta) just a few minutes from the stadium on the Wednesday which no one else seemed to find. After exploring the city on Thursday, we headed back there a few hours before KO. We clocked a couple of lads dressed in black who were having a good look at us before stopping and getting their phones out, so we moved on not long afterwards - We left a lad who had been sat on his own and caught up with him in the ground where he said about 30 lads had turned up (all in black!) and he'd made a quick and quiet exit!
Our hotel was a five minute walk from the ground which included an underpass (complete with Legia graffiti) with the busy road network overhead. We were heading that way after the game to collect our bags and get back to the station. At the last minute, one of our number reckoned it might be better to get all our stuff into lockers at the station as the buses that were being laid on would be heading in that general direction.
What a move that was. As our bus was being escorted out, we saw around 100 Ultras (all in white!) waiting there, surrounded by Police and vans. We did hear of one guy who was stabbed in the arm but his watch had saved him from any serious injury - that was by the other side of the ground where there was a huge congregation of people (all in black!). We'd walked through them earlier but no one had any Villa colours on.
The Legia fans we spoke to were great. All friendly and wanted to make clear they had two sets of "Ultras" - One that just wanted to make noise at the game, the other which would be looking for trouble.
We met some great people and loved it. The walk down by the river (towards the National Stadium), in 25 degree sunshine, is something I won't forget.
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Post by: AV84 on September 24, 2023, 05:31:30 PM
Just saw this story about a Legia fan who fell from a bridge and died after leaving the game against us. Not sure how close it happened to the stadium, but perhaps the reason for the extended shut in for Villa fans?
Post by: liam on September 24, 2023, 07:19:25 PM
Met a few Villa fans last night. One used to sell H&V but not a messageboard person. Very pleasant bloke. Tall…50ish, been to see Villa in USA and Australia.
I think he was called Steve…but I was a little drunk at the time.
Sounds like Steve Whitehouse.
Could well be.
I’ve just met another H&Ver Liam. It’s brilliant being here.
Great to meet you as well and for the information you provided before the game, my son and I had a great 3 days and got back midday yesterday, we experienced no problems, i actually found the policing quite re-assuring until after the game, but even then if there was a risk of a villa fan getting into trouble due to certain Legia Fans hanging around, i'd rather be safe than sorry. The few legia fans we met were great, and the passport control guy at the airport was proudly wearing his Legia badge on his lanyard, clocked i was Villa and asked if we have a good time. Great weather, great company, too much beer and and amazing atmosphere at the ground, and a crazy first 45 mins. Loved it!
Post by: Somniloquism on September 25, 2023, 07:24:43 PM
This was what the home fans did BECAUSE they were losing.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/66914632
Post by: Scott Nielsen on September 26, 2023, 06:26:23 AM
In European games, the currently preferred MO seems to be an attack on the family/VIP stand. Which, even by hooligan standards, seems beyond the pale. AZ did it against West Ham, Twente against Hammarby and I remember hearing of at least one or two more over the last year or so though I cannot now remember the clubs involved.
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 26, 2023, 02:17:47 PM
Post by: Paul.S on September 28, 2023, 05:01:39 PM
There's an element of Dutch fans that is particularly cuntish.
In European games, the currently preferred MO seems to be an attack on the family/VIP stand. Which, even by hooligan standards, seems beyond the pale. AZ did it against West Ham, Twente against Hammarby and I remember hearing of at least one or two more over the last year or so though I cannot now remember the clubs involved.
Before being chased off by a couple of West Ham lads. There’s a reason they target women and children in that area.
Post by: AV82EC on October 02, 2023, 12:24:46 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 02, 2023, 12:33:47 PM
Post by: AV84 on October 02, 2023, 02:16:56 PM
"Supporters with an Aston Villa Booking History for matches before 8/9/2023- Online from 28 September 5pm - Phone from 29 September 10am"
That's the last date listed on the "buy tickets" section. Which I suppose is kind of general sale, but only if you've gone before. Guess they're trying to give everyone a shot at tickets before releasing them to anyone and everyone.
Lower Grounds sold out. 289 still in Terrace View.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 02, 2023, 02:19:33 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 02, 2023, 02:39:46 PM
Which sounds a bit daft.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 02, 2023, 02:43:13 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 02, 2023, 02:43:52 PM
Post by: AV84 on October 03, 2023, 03:39:48 PM
6,064 available at the moment. Adults £24-£35.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 03, 2023, 03:47:04 PM
Have gone on general sale this afternoon.
6,064 available at the moment. Adults £24-£35.
Mostar? According to the site it's only people with a booking history. Nothing about general sale?
Post by: AV82EC on October 03, 2023, 03:47:09 PM
Post by: AV84 on October 03, 2023, 03:56:43 PM
Have gone on general sale this afternoon.
6,064 available at the moment. Adults £24-£35.
Mostar? According to the site it's only people with a booking history. Nothing about general sale?
It doesn't say "general sale" but you can click in to buy them now, which you couldn't do yesterday. They also tweeted about them being on sale now.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 03, 2023, 04:00:37 PM
Have gone on general sale this afternoon.
6,064 available at the moment. Adults £24-£35.
Mostar? According to the site it's only people with a booking history. Nothing about general sale?
It doesn't say "general sale" but you can click in to buy them now, which you couldn't do yesterday. They also tweeted about them being on sale now.
Ah.
I see they are saying "last tickets" which is a strange way to describe 6,000 unsold!
Post by: AV84 on October 03, 2023, 04:02:09 PM
Have gone on general sale this afternoon.
6,064 available at the moment. Adults £24-£35.
Mostar? According to the site it's only people with a booking history. Nothing about general sale?
It doesn't say "general sale" but you can click in to buy them now, which you couldn't do yesterday. They also tweeted about them being on sale now.
Ah.
I see they are saying "last tickets" which is a strange way to describe 6,000 unsold!
I'd assume it's just because they've got like 7 different layers of releases, they're now on the last one.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 03, 2023, 04:48:58 PM
Post by: john e on October 03, 2023, 04:58:21 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 03, 2023, 05:01:24 PM
Why make someone register and get a fan ID when they just fancy going to a football match?
Post by: AV84 on October 03, 2023, 05:04:59 PM
Although when I went back in again to try it a second time I'm getting " The quantity of tickets owned [redacted] exceeds limitations.
To resolve, click "Assign Owners" and assign some of the tickets to other owners.
Too many tickets per event Aston Villa v HSK Zrinjski Mostar 05/10/2023 20:00: Please reduce the quantity to 1 or less.
Sales to this event are limited to 1 tickets per event per history per item owner."
I then reduced it to 1, and it was letting me go through to the payment page again. 🤷♂️
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 03, 2023, 05:05:57 PM
Post by: AV84 on October 03, 2023, 05:13:24 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on October 03, 2023, 10:19:51 PM
Post by: leylandalbion on October 04, 2023, 08:27:12 AM
When's Alkmaar away going on sale? I'm not going but it seems like they could have sorted things a bit sooner than this given we've known date and time for weeks.It's rubbish ain't it...would love to take my lot...its half term so ideal for a little break...but can't book anything till we know if we have a good chance on tickets
Post by: Vegas on October 04, 2023, 09:11:01 AM
I've thought for a while, they make it a bit harder than it needs to be to buy tickets these days.
Why make someone register and get a fan ID when they just fancy going to a football match?
I’m not sure if you meant this rhetorically, but for three reasons I think: Stopping away fans from buying in home areas, trying to manage demand (which mostly is bigger than the number of tickets available) fairly, or at least with some system; and to get Custer details for marketing purposes.
I can understand all 3 to be honest, although I agree it can be a pain.
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on October 04, 2023, 09:41:22 AM
I've thought for a while, they make it a bit harder than it needs to be to buy tickets these days.To add you to the fictitious "waiting list"!
Why make someone register and get a fan ID when they just fancy going to a football match?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 04, 2023, 12:04:09 PM
Post by: olaftab on October 04, 2023, 12:11:42 PM
Interestingly, the number of tickets available for Thursday's match has just plummeted several thousand.Brummie Bosnians have oppiled in.
Post by: AV82EC on October 04, 2023, 12:30:53 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 04, 2023, 12:46:46 PM
Interestingly, the number of tickets available for Thursday's match has just plummeted several thousand.
What the fuck's going on with that, then? It's like they've gone overnight!
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 04, 2023, 12:48:16 PM
Interestingly, the number of tickets available for Thursday's match has just plummeted several thousand.
What the fuck's going on with that, then? It's like they've gone overnight!
I looked this morning (whilst tempted to buy one) and there were, at a quick estimate, at least 5000 left. Looked again an hour later, almost all gone
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on October 04, 2023, 01:16:59 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on October 04, 2023, 04:18:28 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on October 04, 2023, 09:06:29 PM
I know it was mentioned previously but it is great value. Got my bundle in the ‘members window’. There were loads left in The Holte for the first game but now many for the second and third home games. Quite a few ST holders not attending this weeks game which is a surprise to me.Think there major work works coming up from Stratford upon Avon and Warwick, also I believe they are a few Hunt balls arranged that have to be attended
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 04, 2023, 11:02:16 PM
I know it was mentioned previously but it is great value. Got my bundle in the ‘members window’. There were loads left in The Holte for the first game but now many for the second and third home games. Quite a few ST holders not attending this weeks game which is a surprise to me.Think there major work works coming up from Stratford upon Avon and Warwick, also I believe they are a few Hunt balls arranged that have to be attended
you'd best not be disrespecting those of us who live in Warwick(ish).
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on October 05, 2023, 10:19:32 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on October 05, 2023, 10:31:27 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 06, 2023, 09:13:41 AM
Of course with our best X1 we would have no problem getting out of the group. The teams we are playing see us as a huge scalp and expect more very tough games.
Post by: Gerrin on October 06, 2023, 10:27:49 AM
Post by: Holte L2 on October 06, 2023, 10:31:10 AM
Post by: Ads on October 06, 2023, 11:13:52 AM
Post by: Bully2345 on October 06, 2023, 11:15:06 AM
Sorry if this has been mentioned elsewhere before, or maybe I'm just missing something. But why haven't the Bournemouth (Saturday 2nd December) and Manchester City (Tuesday 5th December) games been rescheduled? When we play Legia on Thursday 30th November?
Changes will be formal when the TV games are announced for that batch of fixtures
Post by: AV82EC on October 06, 2023, 11:16:04 AM
Post by: Ads on October 06, 2023, 11:18:44 AM
Post by: AV82EC on October 06, 2023, 11:20:23 AM
Post by: Ads on October 06, 2023, 11:37:45 AM
Oh hang on it isn’t oversubscribed on the first criteria.
No I miscalculated, 400ish left over after category 1 for 1300 people!
Post by: Holte L2 on October 06, 2023, 11:42:58 AM
Oh hang on it isn’t oversubscribed on the first criteria.
No I miscalculated, 400ish left over after category 1 for 1300 people!
I'm a Season ticket holder with 8+ years, 19 aways and did Legia Warsaw. But might miss out because I couldn't make Hibs due to being on holiday. Gutted! Feel absolutely sick.
Post by: artvandelay on October 06, 2023, 11:54:35 AM
Post by: AV82EC on October 06, 2023, 11:55:18 AM
The criteria are consecutive. The 1387 includes the 576 in the top bracket so there will be 811 people maximum going for 409 tickets. Considering the events there last night and with West Ham, I imagine many won't be too keen on it and that anyone in the second bracket will be fine as long as they are quick.
What happened last night?
Post by: Ads on October 06, 2023, 11:56:20 AM
Post by: artvandelay on October 06, 2023, 11:56:55 AM
Mirror report is here; https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/legia-warsaw-alkmaar-conference-league-31119546The criteria are consecutive. The 1387 includes the 576 in the top bracket so there will be 811 people maximum going for 409 tickets. Considering the events there last night and with West Ham, I imagine many won't be too keen on it and that anyone in the second bracket will be fine as long as they are quick.
What happened last night?
Essentially after they forced Warsaw fans to go back on themselves to the Hague to get a bus to Alkmaar, there was then trouble at the ground. This culminated in a fight between the Warsaw team and officials and Dutch police and two Warsaw players including the captain are still in custody
Post by: NeilH on October 06, 2023, 12:49:57 PM
There's an element of Dutch fans that is particularly cuntish.
In European games, the currently preferred MO seems to be an attack on the family/VIP stand. Which, even by hooligan standards, seems beyond the pale. AZ did it against West Ham, Twente against Hammarby and I remember hearing of at least one or two more over the last year or so though I cannot now remember the clubs involved.
Dutch footy has been going down the shi**er for a while now and it culminated in the De Klassieker a week or so ago. The post-match scenes at AZ Legia last night with Dutch police going in heavy-handed, nicking the Legia captain and man-handling the Legia chairman (causing an international spat between NL and the Polish PM) really don't bode well for the game in a few weeks.
My advice for anyone going to the AZ game is not to drink in Alkmaar but to stay in Amsterdam and then catch the train over because until the Dutch FA gets a handle on things here, the potential for trouble is just too high.
Post by: PeterWithe on October 06, 2023, 12:52:00 PM
Post by: NeilH on October 06, 2023, 12:54:23 PM
I dont think anybody is going to be put off by any local Schtone Island lads you know, they how you shay, shithouse, yesh? Warsaw were the rough lot and it was uneventful. Be loads go ticketless for Amsterdam (like my good lady will be).
As I just mentioned, issues with organised ultra groups here remain a major problem. Even my shi**y local Dutch 2nd Div team had to get extra police in, create a stadium ring of steel and stop online ticket sales due to a planned and organised attack between two clubs (one of whom Telstar was playing that night). My advice remains don't go to Alkmaar without a ticket, even for a drink and be vigilant if drinking in Amsterdam.
Post by: claret+blue ed on October 06, 2023, 12:54:44 PM
Post by: NeilH on October 06, 2023, 12:59:07 PM
I'm not going, but hopefully those who do don't have to go the The Hague to collect tickets like Legia had to, that would certainly spoil the plans for stopping in Amsterdam and just getting the train to AlkmarPlenty of pubs in Haarlem where the Villa fans would have to change trains if forced to go to The Hague to collect tickets; beer is a damn sight better than the typical Amstel/Heineken crap served on The Dam too.
Post by: rougegorge on October 06, 2023, 01:15:40 PM
Legia Warsaw: Poland PM wants 'urgent diplomatic action' after two players arrested following Conference League tie at AZ Alkmaar - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67027229
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 06, 2023, 01:31:05 PM
Considering the events there last night and with West Ham, I imagine many won't be too keen on it and that anyone in the second bracket will be fine as long as they are quick.
Whatever the thoughts of Villa fans on the Dutch trip, I'd be even less keen on heading to Warsaw if I were an Alkmaar fan.
Post by: Ads on October 06, 2023, 02:26:25 PM
Post by: dorsetvillian on October 06, 2023, 02:37:08 PM
Post by: AV84 on October 06, 2023, 02:48:14 PM
Post by: Risso on October 06, 2023, 02:54:26 PM
I know there's occasionally a spot of bother at other matches bit does this kind of thing seem to happen more in the Conference League? Or is it just that I'm paying more attention to it now?
I wondered that. I expect it partly because there's a higher proportion of teams from smaller Eastern Europeans backwaters, with a lot more racists as a result.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 06, 2023, 03:10:07 PM
I know there's occasionally a spot of bother at other matches bit does this kind of thing seem to happen more in the Conference League? Or is it just that I'm paying more attention to it now?
I wondered that. I expect it partly because there's a higher proportion of teams from smaller Eastern Europeans backwaters, with a lot more racists as a result.
Ha ha, that just made me laugh.
Post by: AV84 on October 06, 2023, 03:22:59 PM
I know there's occasionally a spot of bother at other matches bit does this kind of thing seem to happen more in the Conference League? Or is it just that I'm paying more attention to it now?
I wondered that. I expect it partly because there's a higher proportion of teams from smaller Eastern Europeans backwaters, with a lot more racists as a result.
That explains some of it, but Alkmaar are Dutch, and seem particularly bad for it. I'd been thinking it's more about the level of club that's involved. Like the massive clubs from any country have been in European competition for years, mostly, and would have maybe dealt with this stuff before and are now held to a higher standard. English clubs have dealt with it because of the reputation of English fans in general, which seems to have mostly died away.
But there does seem to be a bit more of it around the conference whatever the cause.
Post by: tomd2103 on October 06, 2023, 03:28:53 PM
Post by: olaftab on October 06, 2023, 03:32:21 PM
Think the away followings of the next two group games could be a bit different to last night.And the Zulu's will meet them in City centre to hone their hooliganistic skills and tell them how to storm the Holte.
Post by: The Man With A Stick on October 06, 2023, 03:33:04 PM
Think the away followings of the next two group games could be a bit different to last night.
Should be a decent atmosphere if anything, thought it was flat as anything last night, especially in the first half.
Post by: Risso on October 06, 2023, 03:33:32 PM
I know there's occasionally a spot of bother at other matches bit does this kind of thing seem to happen more in the Conference League? Or is it just that I'm paying more attention to it now?
I wondered that. I expect it partly because there's a higher proportion of teams from smaller Eastern Europeans backwaters, with a lot more racists as a result.
That explains some of it, but Alkmaar are Dutch, and seem particularly bad for it. I'd been thinking it's more about the level of club that's involved. Like the massive clubs from any country have been in European competition for years, mostly, and would have maybe dealt with this stuff before and are now held to a higher standard. English clubs have dealt with it because of the reputation of English fans in general, which seems to have mostly died away.
But there does seem to be a bit more of it around the conference whatever the cause.
Dutch fans have always been amongst the worst, haven't they?
Post by: AV84 on October 06, 2023, 03:37:02 PM
I know there's occasionally a spot of bother at other matches bit does this kind of thing seem to happen more in the Conference League? Or is it just that I'm paying more attention to it now?
I wondered that. I expect it partly because there's a higher proportion of teams from smaller Eastern Europeans backwaters, with a lot more racists as a result.
That explains some of it, but Alkmaar are Dutch, and seem particularly bad for it. I'd been thinking it's more about the level of club that's involved. Like the massive clubs from any country have been in European competition for years, mostly, and would have maybe dealt with this stuff before and are now held to a higher standard. English clubs have dealt with it because of the reputation of English fans in general, which seems to have mostly died away.
But there does seem to be a bit more of it around the conference whatever the cause.
Dutch fans have always been amongst the worst, haven't they?
Maybe, I don't know. I would have thought Italians, Polish, Eastern European etc. but as I said, I haven't really been paying much attention to anything European until recently.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 06, 2023, 03:39:45 PM
Think the away followings of the next two group games could be a bit different to last night.
Should be a decent atmosphere if anything, thought it was flat as anything last night, especially in the first half.
I chuckled when I (briefly) had a stream of the match. Our half-arsed "we even conquered Europe..." sounded hilariously weedy against their metronomic military-industrial harumphing.
Post by: john e on October 06, 2023, 03:42:20 PM
I dont think anybody is going to be put off by any local Schtone Island lads you know, they how you shay, shithouse, yesh? Warsaw were the rough lot and it was uneventful. Be loads go ticketless for Amsterdam (like my good lady will be).
As I just mentioned, issues with organised ultra groups here remain a major problem. Even my shi**y local Dutch 2nd Div team had to get extra police in, create a stadium ring of steel and stop online ticket sales due to a planned and organised attack between two clubs (one of whom Telstar was playing that night). My advice remains don't go to Alkmaar without a ticket, even for a drink and be vigilant if drinking in Amsterdam.
I hope it’s not that bad. I’m taking the whole family over for a few days in Amsterdam.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 06, 2023, 03:42:26 PM
Post by: Bully2345 on October 06, 2023, 03:56:19 PM
Think the away followings of the next two group games could be a bit different to last night.
Should be a decent atmosphere if anything, thought it was flat as anything last night, especially in the first half.
I chuckled when I (briefly) had a stream of the match. Our half-arsed "we even conquered Europe..." sounded hilariously weedy against their metronomic military-industrial harumphing.
I think the Ultras thing is initially impressive but there are times when the constant singing is monotonous and bears no relation to what's happening on the pitch.
I'm also not fit enough to keep up the jumping and singing for 90 minutes so on this, I like what we are
Post by: AV84 on October 06, 2023, 04:04:53 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 06, 2023, 04:18:21 PM
Think the away followings of the next two group games could be a bit different to last night.
Should be a decent atmosphere if anything, thought it was flat as anything last night, especially in the first half.
I chuckled when I (briefly) had a stream of the match. Our half-arsed "we even conquered Europe..." sounded hilariously weedy against their metronomic military-industrial harumphing.
I think the Ultras thing is initially impressive but there are times when the constant singing is monotonous and bears no relation to what's happening on the pitch.
I'm also not fit enough to keep up the jumping and singing for 90 minutes so on this, I like what we are
I don't disagree. I just thought it was funny.
Post by: Ads on October 06, 2023, 04:22:16 PM
Post by: AV82EC on October 06, 2023, 04:36:28 PM
They were more subdued 2nd half with bouncing up and down. I'm never particularly impressed by some dope with a megaphone organising what you should be singing next. All very contrived.
It’s just a different fan culture but as others have said just doing organised singing and dancing routines is a bit K pop for my liking. I like the slightly more ebb and flow of the English way as it tends to reflect what’s happening on the pitch a bit a more.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on October 06, 2023, 04:47:03 PM
I know everyone hates them but the atmosphere at Newcastle the other night was amazing, and it felt pretty natural too. No idea how you go about replicating something like that but still have it be natural.
I would guess that Villa Park would be jumping if/when we're beating PSG 4-1
Post by: Meanwood Villa on October 06, 2023, 04:48:46 PM
They were more subdued 2nd half with bouncing up and down. I'm never particularly impressed by some dope with a megaphone organising what you should be singing next. All very contrived.
It’s just a different fan culture but as others have said just doing organised singing and dancing routines is a bit K pop for my liking. I like the slightly more ebb and flow of the English way as it tends to reflect what’s happening on the pitch a bit a more.
Agreed. I'll take some criticism of the atmosphere being a bit flat over some nobhead telling me what I should be doing every minute of the game. God forbid drums are involved too.
Post by: DeKuip on October 06, 2023, 05:04:56 PM
The criteria are consecutive. The 1387 includes the 576 in the top bracket so there will be 811 people maximum going for 409 tickets. Considering the events there last night and with West Ham, I imagine many won't be too keen on it and that anyone in the second bracket will be fine as long as they are quick.As we sold all 1700 for Warsaw to STHs the numbers don’t make sense, unless 300 didn’t turn up.
Post by: rjp on October 06, 2023, 05:09:35 PM
The criteria are consecutive. The 1387 includes the 576 in the top bracket so there will be 811 people maximum going for 409 tickets. Considering the events there last night and with West Ham, I imagine many won't be too keen on it and that anyone in the second bracket will be fine as long as they are quick.As we sold all 1700 for Warsaw to STHs the numbers don’t make sense, unless 300 didn’t turn up.
Where are these numbers coming from?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 06, 2023, 05:13:53 PM
Where are these numbers coming from?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7v7NJ9WcAA_wtS?format=jpg&name=small)
Post by: olaftab on October 06, 2023, 05:19:44 PM
Worrying that the first category is over subscribed for the allocation. Fingers on the buzzer at 5pm Monday!It's unlikely to be the same 950 people who did both.
Post by: AV84 on October 06, 2023, 05:42:24 PM
I know everyone hates them but the atmosphere at Newcastle the other night was amazing, and it felt pretty natural too. No idea how you go about replicating something like that but still have it be natural.
I would guess that Villa Park would be jumping if/when we're beating PSG 4-1
The atmosphere was good before the game, before they scored, before they scored a 2nd etc. etc.
Post by: rjp on October 06, 2023, 05:45:55 PM
Where are these numbers coming from?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7v7NJ9WcAA_wtS?format=jpg&name=small)
Cheers
Post by: Meanwood Villa on October 06, 2023, 05:59:22 PM
I know everyone hates them but the atmosphere at Newcastle the other night was amazing, and it felt pretty natural too. No idea how you go about replicating something like that but still have it be natural.
I would guess that Villa Park would be jumping if/when we're beating PSG 4-1
The atmosphere was good before the game, before they scored, before they scored a 2nd etc. etc.
Similar to when we twatted them last season then. It's not that surprising that the atmosphere fell a bit flat after a first half when we laboured against a team everyone was expecting us to beat. Yes both matches were European fixtures but they're not really comparable beyond that.
Post by: AV84 on October 06, 2023, 06:19:24 PM
I know everyone hates them but the atmosphere at Newcastle the other night was amazing, and it felt pretty natural too. No idea how you go about replicating something like that but still have it be natural.
I would guess that Villa Park would be jumping if/when we're beating PSG 4-1
The atmosphere was good before the game, before they scored, before they scored a 2nd etc. etc.
Similar to when we twatted them last season then. It's not that surprising that the atmosphere fell a bit flat after a first half when we laboured against a team everyone was expecting us to beat. Yes both matches were European fixtures but they're not really comparable beyond that.
I'm not comparing them, really. It was part of a conversation about a flat atmosphere vs scripted ultra chanting. The atmosphere at Newcastle was good from the start and it spurred the team on early which led to goals which spurred the fans on even more. And it all felt very natural. Obviously it's just a bit more exciting to be playing PSG in your first home champions league game for 20 years than it is to be playing Zrinjski in the Europa conference. But the Newcastle crowd just seems to be naturally very good at creating an atmosphere.
Post by: VillaTim on October 06, 2023, 06:21:45 PM
Post by: CT on October 06, 2023, 06:24:10 PM
The criteria are consecutive. The 1387 includes the 576 in the top bracket so there will be 811 people maximum going for 409 tickets. Considering the events there last night and with West Ham, I imagine many won't be too keen on it and that anyone in the second bracket will be fine as long as they are quick.As we sold all 1700 for Warsaw to STHs the numbers don’t make sense, unless 300 didn’t turn up.
Correct. They didn’t turn up. Approximately 200+ tickets were bought but the travel forms were never returned, so those fans had no intention of going. Just another notch on their history. There were plenty of empty seats in our end. Six in our row alone.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 06, 2023, 06:25:08 PM
Been driving around Switzerland today
Keep going!
Post by: Richard E on October 06, 2023, 06:31:57 PM
No he’s finished now. It doesn’t take very long.Been driving around Switzerland today
Keep going!
Post by: VillaTim on October 06, 2023, 06:34:14 PM
Absolute tossers they should be bannedThe criteria are consecutive. The 1387 includes the 576 in the top bracket so there will be 811 people maximum going for 409 tickets. Considering the events there last night and with West Ham, I imagine many won't be too keen on it and that anyone in the second bracket will be fine as long as they are quick.As we sold all 1700 for Warsaw to STHs the numbers don’t make sense, unless 300 didn’t turn up.
Correct. They didn’t turn up. Approximately 200+ tickets were bought but the travel forms were never returned, so those fans had no intention of going. Just another notch on their history. There were plenty of empty seats in our end. Six in our row alone.
Post by: AV82EC on October 06, 2023, 06:39:30 PM
Post by: VillaTim on October 06, 2023, 06:40:53 PM
They didn’t get it as a notch in their history though did they.No but you missed the bigger point , they denied others going by acting like selfish twats . I did say this would happen
Post by: Ads on October 06, 2023, 07:07:18 PM
There was a lad in the bar we'd been drinking in and went back to that had a ticket but didn't go, as he was steaming.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 06, 2023, 07:15:12 PM
I know there's occasionally a spot of bother at other matches bit does this kind of thing seem to happen more in the Conference League? Or is it just that I'm paying more attention to it now?
Think there was a spot of bother when Frankfurt went to Napoli in the Champions League.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 06, 2023, 07:17:04 PM
I know there's occasionally a spot of bother at other matches bit does this kind of thing seem to happen more in the Conference League? Or is it just that I'm paying more attention to it now?
Think there was a spot of bother when Frankfurt went to Napoli in the Champions League.
Yeah, quite a lot, remember reading about that.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on October 07, 2023, 06:13:03 AM
Dutch fans have always been amongst the worst, haven't they?
Yes. The Ajax F-Side were notorious all through the 80s and 90s as were many other firms in Holland. The Feyenoord lot in particular. Organized and armed hooliganism without apology. I'm not sure it has gotten much better since.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on October 07, 2023, 06:37:59 AM
They were more subdued 2nd half with bouncing up and down. I'm never particularly impressed by some dope with a megaphone organising what you should be singing next. All very contrived.
It’s just a different fan culture but as others have said just doing organised singing and dancing routines is a bit K pop for my liking. I like the slightly more ebb and flow of the English way as it tends to reflect what’s happening on the pitch a bit a more.
Agreed. I'll take some criticism of the atmosphere being a bit flat over some nobhead telling me what I should be doing every minute of the game. God forbid drums are involved too.
You lot are a bunch of grumpy old men ;)
England/Britain is a bit of a hold-out compared to most other places. It's probably a good thing as I can really only think of England and Brazil (Gremio the odd, recent exception I suppose) that are hanging on to their own stadium culture and there is much to be said for that. Of course, some would argue the plush all-seater stadiums and expensive match tickets in England are detrimental to a vigorous supporter culture and question if there's much left of it. It's different experience to be sure.
Anyway, I like drums and I ain't shy to admit it. Argentina came up with it with the bombo being the OG drum. It seems there is a bit of a merge of Barra Brava and Ultras culture that has come to dominate on the continent nowadays (though the drums are subservient to the capos here). When an awful lot of people are singing for a very long time, you need drums or it just won't work. It's hard labour too, funding, prepping and organizing the tifo (and sending study groups on expensive trips to Argentina!). In the stands it's up to the capos to determine which songs to go with when in the game - and you need to know how to read a room or you're stood down - and the drums are necessary to signal the change. I understand why someone might feel it is contrived but since that carries an artificial connotation I disagree. It's just very organized in a way that supporters prefer.
I expect you fancy whatever approach you are used to and I very much prefer constant, intimidating noise. Donating to the tifo-group is my longest standing charitable expense.
Post by: Ads on October 07, 2023, 08:05:28 AM
I didnt find anything particularly intimidating about Warsaw. It's just noise and eventually you stop hearing it. There was a real absence anger when we scored or limbage from their main end when they scored as well. As LeeB half joked, its all a bit Fash and there's actually something serious to be said about that.
It's up to me what songs I sing, not some badly dressed whopper in a hoodie with a megaphone and a bumbag.
Post by: AV82EC on October 07, 2023, 08:14:38 AM
Drums at football should equal immediate and instant relegation.
I didnt find anything particularly intimidating about Warsaw. It's just noise and eventually you stop hearing it. There was a real absence anger when we scored or limbage from their main end when they scored as well. As LeeB half joked, its all a bit Fash and there's actually something serious to be said about that.
It's up to me what songs I sing, not some badly dressed whopper in a hoodie with a megaphone and a bumbag.
Yep that lack of goal celebration and just carry on with the song is fucking weird.
Post by: Ads on October 07, 2023, 08:21:54 AM
Drums at football should equal immediate and instant relegation.
I didnt find anything particularly intimidating about Warsaw. It's just noise and eventually you stop hearing it. There was a real absence anger when we scored or limbage from their main end when they scored as well. As LeeB half joked, its all a bit Fash and there's actually something serious to be said about that.
It's up to me what songs I sing, not some badly dressed whopper in a hoodie with a megaphone and a bumbag.
Yep that lack of goal celebration and just carry on with the song is fucking weird.
Emotionless subservience to minority authority. Not today Oswald. Imagine some twerp in a moody Stone Island trying to stop us all for fuck sake Villa-ing when the opposition scored or giving the opposition player the Nescafe shuffle, because he wants us to boing boing about.
Post by: Risso on October 07, 2023, 08:31:36 AM
I think the same rule applies to singing at football. If it's just a 90 minute non-stop effort regardless of what's going on in the match, there's then no room for those moments of unrestrained joy you get when your team scores a goal or the final whistle goes after a victory. I remember watching one of the African teams in the World Cup, and to be honest the singers just looked bored and like they'd been paid to be there.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on October 07, 2023, 09:49:55 AM
Drums at football should equal immediate and instant relegation.
I didnt find anything particularly intimidating about Warsaw. It's just noise and eventually you stop hearing it. There was a real absence anger when we scored or limbage from their main end when they scored as well. As LeeB half joked, its all a bit Fash and there's actually something serious to be said about that.
It's up to me what songs I sing, not some badly dressed whopper in a hoodie with a megaphone and a bumbag.
Yep that lack of goal celebration and just carry on with the song is fucking weird.
I'd agree with that but not experienced it.
Post by: Richard E on October 07, 2023, 09:53:56 AM
Everything that's good and enjoyable in life is because of scarcity.
There speaks a married man…
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 07, 2023, 10:13:44 AM
Everything that's good and enjoyable in life is because of scarcity.
There speaks a married man…
There speaks a married man with a gazillion kids.
Post by: Richard E on October 07, 2023, 10:31:32 AM
Everything that's good and enjoyable in life is because of scarcity.
There speaks a married man…
There speaks a married man with a gazillion kids.
He’s the exception that proves the rule.
Post by: Ads on October 07, 2023, 11:27:42 AM
Plenty of travel blogs saying Sarajevo is the best place to visit in the region. Fancy a winter snap of the spot where the Archduke got the good news.
Post by: Pat McMahon on October 07, 2023, 01:15:38 PM
Drums at football should equal immediate and instant relegation.
I didnt find anything particularly intimidating about Warsaw. It's just noise and eventually you stop hearing it. There was a real absence anger when we scored or limbage from their main end when they scored as well. As LeeB half joked, its all a bit Fash and there's actually something serious to be said about that.
It's up to me what songs I sing, not some badly dressed whopper in a hoodie with a megaphone and a bumbag.
Yep that lack of goal celebration and just carry on with the song is fucking weird.
I'd agree with that but not experienced it.
I was on the halfway line in Warsaw, on the very top row and had a great vantage point.
I posted on here that the atmosphere was relentless and loud, but utterly detached from the action on the pitch. It’s like they’ve gone on to Spotify and selected a playlist for the game and that has no bearing on the ebb and flow on the pitch. Like a shit DJ not reading the room.
They carried on their playlist when we scored, not missing a beat, which is downright weird. And I felt that when they scored it was like being in the upper Witton Lane rather than Holte level limbs. You sit outside the ground there and you’d probably think they won 3-0.
I was at Boca Juniors in 2006 and it was like Warsaw but more intense in that they were much more crazy when they scored. However they also didn’t miss a beat when they conceded. On the plus point for the Legia ultras, they utterly drowned out the Villa fans who I only heard occasionally, though I could see they were singing and bouncing. I saw a quote from Konsa a few days ago saying they couldn’t hear each other on the pitch. That must have an amazing impact on the team.
There must surely be a happy medium as there are games when English stadiums are like a quiet church.
Post by: VillaTim on October 07, 2023, 02:16:37 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 07, 2023, 02:31:11 PM
Found some good flights to Sarajevo for the Wednesday out of Manchester via Frankfurt. Sarajevo looks class so we're going to stay there, get a train on the Thursday morning up to Mostar, stop there the evening and get the afternoon train back.
Plenty of travel blogs saying Sarajevo is the best place to visit in the region. Fancy a winter snap of the spot where the Archduke got the good news.
Sarajevo's on my list once Istanbul is sick of me.
Post by: algy on October 07, 2023, 03:03:49 PM
Was Albania any good? Was thinking of going there at some point.Found some good flights to Sarajevo for the Wednesday out of Manchester via Frankfurt. Sarajevo looks class so we're going to stay there, get a train on the Thursday morning up to Mostar, stop there the evening and get the afternoon train back.
Plenty of travel blogs saying Sarajevo is the best place to visit in the region. Fancy a winter snap of the spot where the Archduke got the good news.
Sarajevo's on my list once Istanbul is sick of me.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 07, 2023, 03:32:08 PM
Was Albania any good? Was thinking of going there at some point.Found some good flights to Sarajevo for the Wednesday out of Manchester via Frankfurt. Sarajevo looks class so we're going to stay there, get a train on the Thursday morning up to Mostar, stop there the evening and get the afternoon train back.
Plenty of travel blogs saying Sarajevo is the best place to visit in the region. Fancy a winter snap of the spot where the Archduke got the good news.
Sarajevo's on my list once Istanbul is sick of me.
Still here. Yes, a strong recommend from me. We're cutting our sojourn short and returning to England next week as my mum passed the other day.
Post by: LeeB on October 07, 2023, 03:50:14 PM
Post by: dave shelley on October 07, 2023, 03:52:55 PM
Post by: AV82EC on October 07, 2023, 03:56:07 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 07, 2023, 03:56:59 PM
Post by: algy on October 07, 2023, 04:03:02 PM
Post by: darren woolley on October 07, 2023, 05:36:16 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 07, 2023, 06:03:52 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on October 07, 2023, 07:10:18 PM
Post by: Stu82 on October 07, 2023, 07:24:51 PM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on October 07, 2023, 07:28:07 PM
Post by: Ger Regan on October 07, 2023, 07:29:26 PM
Post by: Skerra on October 07, 2023, 07:50:17 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 07, 2023, 08:08:33 PM
Let's talk about these foreign Johnnies again!
Post by: JD on October 08, 2023, 12:01:21 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 08, 2023, 12:04:57 AM
Let's talk about these foreign Johnnies again!
Johnny Hallyday eh, he was no Elvis.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 08, 2023, 12:20:17 AM
Post by: astonvilla82 on October 08, 2023, 10:35:34 AM
Sincere condolences SEWas Albania any good? Was thinking of going there at some point.Found some good flights to Sarajevo for the Wednesday out of Manchester via Frankfurt. Sarajevo looks class so we're going to stay there, get a train on the Thursday morning up to Mostar, stop there the evening and get the afternoon train back.
Plenty of travel blogs saying Sarajevo is the best place to visit in the region. Fancy a winter snap of the spot where the Archduke got the good news.
Sarajevo's on my list once Istanbul is sick of me.
Still here. Yes, a strong recommend from me. We're cutting our sojourn short and returning to England next week as my mum passed the other day.
Post by: Clampy on October 08, 2023, 11:02:28 AM
Post by: Ads on October 09, 2023, 05:04:23 PM
Post by: Holte L2 on October 09, 2023, 05:17:57 PM
Seems odd. 309 left when I bought one at 17:01. Just checked again and its say 186. Not sure how that's possible?
Maybe they have only released so many for the first window?
Post by: Lsvilla on October 09, 2023, 05:43:34 PM
Let's hope so.Seems odd. 309 left when I bought one at 17:01. Just checked again and its say 186. Not sure how that's possible?
Maybe they have only released so many for the first window?
Post by: VillaTim on October 09, 2023, 05:55:14 PM
Post by: spangley1812 on October 09, 2023, 06:30:51 PM
not a big allocation is it, 950 ?
They have a small stadium pretty sure it holds about 20,000
Post by: VillaTim on October 09, 2023, 06:44:14 PM
Post by: rjp on October 09, 2023, 07:06:21 PM
Post by: olaftab on October 09, 2023, 07:16:40 PM
1 TicketsAdult
(Area Sector K, row 9, seat 12)
Post by: Lsvilla on October 09, 2023, 07:31:41 PM
Post by: AV82EC on October 09, 2023, 07:32:37 PM
Post by: Holte L2 on October 09, 2023, 07:43:58 PM
Post by: olaftab on October 09, 2023, 08:05:03 PM
None for me. Will keep refreshingI am not going if you are not there. It just won't be the same :)
Post by: Lsvilla on October 09, 2023, 08:17:27 PM
Lol. Does that mean I can have your ticket ?None for me. Will keep refreshingI am not going if you are not there. It just won't be the same :)
Post by: adrenachrome on October 09, 2023, 09:05:13 PM
Phew.. Got 1.
1 TicketsAdult
(Area Sector K, row 9, seat 12)
Area Sector K sound ominous, but wold be a great name for Death Metal beat combo.
Post by: olaftab on October 09, 2023, 10:17:46 PM
<cough> <cough>Lol. Does that mean I can have your ticket ?None for me. Will keep refreshingI am not going if you are not there. It just won't be the same :)
Post by: dorsetvillian on October 09, 2023, 10:48:37 PM
Post by: Luffbralion on October 11, 2023, 01:00:34 PM
Post by: Holte L2 on October 11, 2023, 01:17:47 PM
So, sold out before going to season ticket holders. Having booked my trip to Amsterdam, does anyone know if you can buy a ticket in the home end (tricky, I know) if you have a Netherlands address? I'm sure someone posted about this some time ago.
I had a look at this when the draw was made. I got a ticket - just about having done Liga Warsaw.
But for Alkmaar you need to be a season ticket holder for AZ.
Post by: NeilH on October 11, 2023, 01:22:30 PM
So, sold out before going to season ticket holders. Having booked my trip to Amsterdam, does anyone know if you can buy a ticket in the home end (tricky, I know) if you have a Netherlands address? I'm sure someone posted about this some time ago.
In principle yes you can but the match is already sold out, there are plenty of Villa fans based here who are striving for tickets and have had to go via AZ season ticketholders - And to repeat what I have previously said, given the issues around AZ right now I would advise against.
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 11, 2023, 01:42:55 PM
I ask out of genuine curiosity - why are AZ so hooliganed up - is it social, economical or are they just nutters?
Recently you had Ajax fans smashing up their own stadium - have they changed the drugs suppliers in Holland as i work for a huge Dutch company and used to visit many times a year and found all the regular blokes to be just like us - liked a beer, loved football and never came across as aggressive???
Post by: Luffbralion on October 11, 2023, 05:00:47 PM
So, sold out before going to season ticket holders. Having booked my trip to Amsterdam, does anyone know if you can buy a ticket in the home end (tricky, I know) if you have a Netherlands address? I'm sure someone posted about this some time ago.
In principle yes you can but the match is already sold out, there are plenty of Villa fans based here who are striving for tickets and have had to go via AZ season ticketholders - And to repeat what I have previously said, given the issues around AZ right now I would advise against.
Thanks for the advice, guys. Not sure I'll ever get to see Villa play in Europe. (Ironically it would have been a breeze to get a ticket for Rotterdam in '82). Rather than risk encountering the Alkmaar hooligans, I'll settle for the tranquility of the Rijksmuseum.
Whatever happened to the peace loving hippy culture the Dutch exemplified in the 1960s/70s?
Post by: Ads on October 11, 2023, 08:32:10 PM
Post by: CT on October 11, 2023, 08:43:58 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 11, 2023, 08:52:43 PM
Post by: Ads on October 11, 2023, 08:54:16 PM
Post by: AV82EC on October 11, 2023, 09:53:24 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on October 11, 2023, 10:33:09 PM
Post by: olaftab on October 11, 2023, 11:49:01 PM
So, sold out before going to season ticket holders.That’s not strictly corrrect. All tickets were sold to ST holders but those that had also been to Hibs and Legia. I hope you find a way to get to the match🤞
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on October 12, 2023, 08:13:57 AM
Bloody hell just watched that. Sounds like the Head of Security for Alkmaar completely over reacted to some perceived threat and the Mayor of Alkmaar is a xenophobic ******. I’m travelling on my own to Alkmaar and will be keeping an exceptionally low profile.
Just do your best Steve McLaren impression and you'll be fine.
Post by: Somniloquism on October 12, 2023, 09:21:53 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on October 12, 2023, 09:24:51 AM
Or at least I used to back in 2006 at the world cup etc etc. Don't know if that's still a viable way of getting tickets
Post by: john e on October 12, 2023, 09:28:01 AM
I’m looking at jumping the turnstile like I did at hillsborough in 1977 for the league cup final replay
Just got to get my leg over
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 12, 2023, 09:58:49 AM
I will be there without a ticket
I’m looking at jumping the turnstile like I did at hillsborough in 1977 for the league cup final replay
Just got to get my leg over
You might be better off staying in Amsterdam.
Post by: LeeB on October 12, 2023, 10:00:24 AM
I will be there without a ticket
I’m looking at jumping the turnstile like I did at hillsborough in 1977 for the league cup final replay
Just got to get my leg over
You might be better off staying in Amsterdam.
Do not try and 'jump the turnstile' in those circumstances
Post by: NeilH on October 12, 2023, 10:45:03 AM
Neil H
I ask out of genuine curiosity - why are AZ so hooliganed up - is it social, economical or are they just nutters?
Recently you had Ajax fans smashing up their own stadium - have they changed the drugs suppliers in Holland as i work for a huge Dutch company and used to visit many times a year and found all the regular blokes to be just like us - liked a beer, loved football and never came across as aggressive???
The irony with AZ is that they always used to be a family club but over the last few years the ultras there seem determined to compete with more notorious crews like those of Ajax,Feyenoord and ADO. The fuel for this seems to be copious amounts of coke being consumed by AZ ultras, to the point at which they have even managed to displace the family stand as families were getting their seats nabbed and altercations took place. My local lower division club was even impacted at the first game by AZ when the local police found internet talk of a planned mass brawl against Telstar fans being organised by Cambuur and Az, at which point online ticket sales were immediately ceased and a police cordon set up at the Telstar stadium; I’ve never seen anything like it there given that normally there are two local cops and that’s it (they are even twins so often mistaken for one cop).
Post by: VillaTim on October 12, 2023, 10:24:07 PM
Post by: VillaTim on October 12, 2023, 11:03:48 PM
Post by: walsall villain on October 15, 2023, 07:48:31 PM
Post by: FrankyH on October 15, 2023, 08:03:36 PM
Post by: Karlos96 on October 15, 2023, 08:09:56 PM
Post by: walsall villain on October 15, 2023, 08:29:40 PM
Same thing has happened to me. I've got my ticket saved. I think its just a generic email sent out to all season ticket holders. It would have better if they had said , please ignore this email if you have already purchased your ticket .I didn’t save the tickets for the 2 games and can’t see them now. They are showing on my purchase history so I’m sure I can sort it tomorrow
Post by: London Villan on October 15, 2023, 08:58:52 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on October 15, 2023, 09:23:46 PM
I took up the 3 home games offer and all 3 tickets were showing on my online account. I’ve just had an email saying that my ticket for the Alkmaar game is to be released at 5pm tomorrow. Can’t see either of the home tickets left in my account. I’ll be trying to call them tomorrow but anyone else had any nonsense like this happengot the same email, but I also printed out them, might not even contact them but guess where I am sitting when the match comes around, unless of course they want to give me a terrace view or Holte suite upgrade
Post by: VillaTim on October 15, 2023, 09:32:18 PM
Post by: Towser on October 16, 2023, 06:34:43 AM
I took up the 3 home games offer and all 3 tickets were showing on my online account. I’ve just had an email saying that my ticket for the Alkmaar game is to be released at 5pm tomorrow. Can’t see either of the home tickets left in my account. I’ll be trying to call them tomorrow but anyone else had any nonsense like this happenI didn't receive the email, I just checked my account and my tickets are still there, I also printed them out and added them to my wallet just in case.
Post by: Scratchins on October 16, 2023, 07:39:00 AM
Same thing has happened to me. I've got my ticket saved. I think its just a generic email sent out to all season ticket holders. It would have better if they had said , please ignore this email if you have already purchased your ticket .
This happened to me as well. All of the tickets that I bought for both myself and friends/family are in my account. I have sent a message to the club.
Post by: AV82EC on October 16, 2023, 09:08:05 AM
Post by: nodge on October 16, 2023, 11:43:15 AM
Supporters are advised that the email sent out yesterday, is a reminder for those who have not yet purchased their seat for AZ Alkmaar.
You have until 5pm today to claim your seat.
Thank you to those who have already purchased their seats for this match.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 16, 2023, 01:03:15 PM
ie all ST held seats which haven't been, and are not claimed by today?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 16, 2023, 01:10:51 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 16, 2023, 03:48:22 PM
Post by: rjp on October 16, 2023, 04:26:51 PM
Things to do in Mostar. Pack your trunks.
...but can she do it on a cold night in December?
More seriously, you wouldn't get me anywhere near that!
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 16, 2023, 05:10:22 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on October 17, 2023, 08:03:41 AM
Things to do in Mostar. Pack your trunks.It looks like that has been made a bit safer over the last few years. There was no platform for the divers when I was there
Post by: Des Little on October 17, 2023, 08:59:05 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 17, 2023, 12:23:39 PM
Post by: LeeB on October 17, 2023, 12:30:39 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 17, 2023, 01:15:00 PM
You would expect after all the trouble of getting into this competition and the continual messages that we have 000's on the waiting list that these games would be sold out in minutes rather than them pitching to sell.
I don’t think there’s much to read into it. West Ham averaged 30k in their conference games last year. Spurs the same the year before.
Post by: Ads on October 17, 2023, 01:21:22 PM
Post by: Nev on October 17, 2023, 01:25:37 PM
I'll be honest, I struggle to be arsed to go to midweek games.
Same. Mainly because I have to drive due to the appalling state of the train service. And I hate going out on a school night.
Post by: AV82EC on October 17, 2023, 01:52:55 PM
Post by: LeeB on October 17, 2023, 01:56:13 PM
People really need to stop beating themselves up if we don’t immediately get a full house when the tickets go on sale, there is a cost of living crisis still ongoing and as others have said the state of public transport midweek is shockingly poor so you have to drive.
Yes, this. Some fans seem to think if we don't get a full house everyone is going to think they have a small penis. It doesn't matter, and if you're worried what some arsehole is going to say about it on social media, grow a fucking backbone.
Or a larger penis.
Post by: AV82EC on October 17, 2023, 01:58:03 PM
People really need to stop beating themselves up if we don’t immediately get a full house when the tickets go on sale, there is a cost of living crisis still ongoing and as others have said the state of public transport midweek is shockingly poor so you have to drive.
Yes, this. Some fans seem to think if we don't get a full house everyone is going to think they have a small penis. It doesn't matter, and if you're worried what some arsehole is going to say about it on social media, grow a fucking backbone.
Or a larger penis.
To paraphrase SE here, I agree with LeeB.
Post by: LeeB on October 17, 2023, 02:52:32 PM
Post by: Bully2345 on October 17, 2023, 02:58:44 PM
That might be for another thread
Post by: DeKuip on October 17, 2023, 03:01:34 PM
People really need to stop beating themselves up if we don’t immediately get a full house when the tickets go on sale, there is a cost of living crisis still ongoing and as others have said the state of public transport midweek is shockingly poor so you have to drive.
Yes, this. Some fans seem to think if we don't get a full house everyone is going to think they have a small penis. It doesn't matter, and if you're worried what some arsehole is going to say about it on social media, grow a fucking backbone.
Or a larger penis.
Is dangling our appendages over the empty seat in front really going to make the ground look full?
Post by: LeeB on October 17, 2023, 03:04:02 PM
People really need to stop beating themselves up if we don’t immediately get a full house when the tickets go on sale, there is a cost of living crisis still ongoing and as others have said the state of public transport midweek is shockingly poor so you have to drive.
Yes, this. Some fans seem to think if we don't get a full house everyone is going to think they have a small penis. It doesn't matter, and if you're worried what some arsehole is going to say about it on social media, grow a fucking backbone.
Or a larger penis.
Is dangling our appendages over the empty seat in front really going to make the ground look full?
Speak for yourself.
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 17, 2023, 04:44:22 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 17, 2023, 04:55:01 PM
30k
25k
36k
Post by: AV82EC on October 17, 2023, 05:04:38 PM
The point being we want to be on the shirt tails of the "big (scum) 6" then we need to fill out every game - no matter who is playing or whom we are against.
Do we? I get the increased income and turnover argument but the difference between maybe 35k and 42k isn’t going to radically shift the dial.
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 17, 2023, 05:36:36 PM
Post by: AV82EC on October 17, 2023, 06:02:37 PM
This is the flipside of the Premier League uber alles mentality. Mr & Mrs Newfooty will bring the kids to watch the big stars in the Greatest League on Earth but all those silly little cups just get in the way.
Or maybe people can only afford the PL tickets and can’t come to the Cup games.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 17, 2023, 06:09:31 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 17, 2023, 06:13:13 PM
You would expect after all the trouble of getting into this competition and the continual messages that we have 000's on the waiting list that these games would be sold out in minutes rather than them pitching to sell.
It was sold out, and then at 5 yesterday a load became available. I'm not sure how feverishly people keep an eye on availability, but I imagine there'll be plenty gone by the time we play.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 17, 2023, 06:19:15 PM
You would expect after all the trouble of getting into this competition and the continual messages that we have 000's on the waiting list that these games would be sold out in minutes rather than them pitching to sell.
It was sold out, and then at 5 yesterday a load became available. I'm not sure how feverishly people keep an eye on availability, but I imagine there'll be plenty gone by the time we play.
Because at 5 yesterday season ticket holders deadline to book their ST seat expired.
So basically until yesterday no seat held by a ST holder, all 30k of them, could be bought.
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 17, 2023, 06:21:36 PM
This is the flipside of the Premier League uber alles mentality. Mr & Mrs Newfooty will bring the kids to watch the big stars in the Greatest League on Earth but all those silly little cups just get in the way.
Or maybe people can only afford the PL tickets and can’t come to the Cup games.
Poor people aren't allowed into Villa Park anymore.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 17, 2023, 06:21:36 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 17, 2023, 06:48:47 PM
You would expect after all the trouble of getting into this competition and the continual messages that we have 000's on the waiting list that these games would be sold out in minutes rather than them pitching to sell.
It was sold out, and then at 5 yesterday a load became available. I'm not sure how feverishly people keep an eye on availability, but I imagine there'll be plenty gone by the time we play.
Because at 5 yesterday season ticket holders deadline to book their ST seat expired.
So basically until yesterday no seat held by a ST holder, all 30k of them, could be bought.
I know, but the point I was trying to get across was that it said it was sold out. It didn't say 'more tickets coming soon' or 'check back later', it said 'Sold Out'. How many people will have been on beforehand in the hope of getting a ticket, seen that, not read the small print or realised its relevance, and thought, 'oh well, not going to that, then'?
Post by: john e on October 17, 2023, 07:19:56 PM
You would expect after all the trouble of getting into this competition and the continual messages that we have 000's on the waiting list that these games would be sold out in minutes rather than them pitching to sell.
It was sold out, and then at 5 yesterday a load became available. I'm not sure how feverishly people keep an eye on availability, but I imagine there'll be plenty gone by the time we play.
Because at 5 yesterday season ticket holders deadline to book their ST seat expired.
So basically until yesterday no seat held by a ST holder, all 30k of them, could be bought.
I know, but the point I was trying to get across was that it said it was sold out. It didn't say 'more tickets coming soon' or 'check back later', it said 'Sold Out'. How many people will have been on beforehand in the hope of getting a ticket, seen that, not read the small print or realised its relevance, and thought, 'oh well, not going to that, then'?
If that’s what’s happening, it’s bloody stupid
Post by: olaftab on October 17, 2023, 07:30:08 PM
Things to do in Mostar. Pack your trunks.Wow…well done, brave girl.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 17, 2023, 07:50:48 PM
Things to do in Mostar. Pack your trunks.
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/A2CTt4BI_10?si=wMAQUp3PF55C0aqF
Wow…well done, brave girl.
Obviously it would be top of my list of things to do there but I can't swim, so they probably wouldn't allow me to do the dive. :(
Post by: Pat McMahon on October 17, 2023, 10:53:01 PM
Things to do in Mostar. Pack your trunks.
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/A2CTt4BI_10?si=wMAQUp3PF55C0aqF
Wow…well done, brave girl.
Obviously it would be top of my list of things to do there but I can't swim, so they probably wouldn't allow me to do the dive. :(
Same here, much to the mirth of many friends
Post by: olaftab on October 17, 2023, 10:56:10 PM
Post by: AV82EC on October 17, 2023, 11:17:33 PM
So some advice on transport etc. for Alkmaar. I have booked two nights in Amsterdam, hotel in Dam square, and planning to train to match and back after. Those of you familiar with transport in that region please tell me this is ok?
Bear in mind the Alkmaar ground is fucking miles from the station about 56mins to walk on GoogleMaps.
Post by: DeKuip on October 17, 2023, 11:58:15 PM
So some advice on transport etc. for Alkmaar. I have booked two nights in Amsterdam, hotel in Dam square, and planning to train to match and back after. Those of you familiar with transport in that region please tell me this is ok?
Yes, I expect most Villa fans will do similar.
It’s a good train service from Amsterdam Central Station to Alkmaar and back… and there will be buses laid on to get to the ground and then back to the station after. Trains back to Amsterdam run until half past midnight and you can book tickets in advance on Trainline.
Post by: Ads on October 18, 2023, 12:01:02 AM
So some advice on transport etc. for Alkmaar. I have booked two nights in Amsterdam, hotel in Dam square, and planning to train to match and back after. Those of you familiar with transport in that region please tell me this is ok?
We need to watch that the locals aren't as xenophobic towards us as they are the Poles and make us go to the Hague before and after the game, as that's an hour the wrong way.
Post by: charlatan on October 18, 2023, 12:07:04 AM
Things to do in Mostar. Pack your trunks.
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/A2CTt4BI_10?si=wMAQUp3PF55C0aqF
Wow…well done, brave girl.
Obviously it would be top of my list of things to do there but I can't swim, so they probably wouldn't allow me to do the dive. :(
Same here, much to the mirth of many friends
I was the last in my year in secondary school to learn to swim (badly, without sticking my face in the water) after a couple of years of additional lunchtime lessons. Recently been taking my kids to swimming lessons and contemplating the trauma.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 18, 2023, 12:29:56 AM
Post by: AV82EC on October 18, 2023, 09:12:55 AM
So some advice on transport etc. for Alkmaar. I have booked two nights in Amsterdam, hotel in Dam square, and planning to train to match and back after. Those of you familiar with transport in that region please tell me this is ok?
Yes, I expect most Villa fans will do similar.
It’s a good train service from Amsterdam Central Station to Alkmaar and back… and there will be buses laid on to get to the ground and then back to the station after. Trains back to Amsterdam run until half past midnight and you can book tickets in advance on Trainline.
Is that buses to and from the ground info definite DeKuip? As I said yesterday the stadium is a pain in the arse to get to if you’re not in a coach or driving. I agree with Ads as well that if we get treated like the Poles did we’ll be picking tickets up in The Hague and trying to get to Alkmaar after that. Anyone heard anything from the club on whether it’ll be a Hibs style ticket pick up or Warsaw style send you a pdf?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 18, 2023, 09:31:47 AM
I first learned to swim in my last year at primary school - I did half a width. I was then caught being naughty/taking the piss in church at harvest festival and was banned from swimming lessons. I never went again.
I managed to go to a school that had two swimming pools and still not learn to swim.
Post by: 144 Hard Boiled Eggs on October 18, 2023, 10:03:10 AM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 18, 2023, 10:09:37 AM
Post by: LeeB on October 18, 2023, 10:10:39 AM
I travelled around the Netherlands in the summer and used a public transport app called 9292 on my phone. Very useful for planning all public transport journeys. I never bought tickets once for trains, trams or buses as you can use a contactless card (even for inter city journeys). Remember to swipe off though.
I've been over to Amsterdam the last couple of years, the ease of transport and variety makes me weep as a Brummie.
Post by: Risso on October 18, 2023, 10:14:00 AM
I travelled around the Netherlands in the summer and used a public transport app called 9292 on my phone. Very useful for planning all public transport journeys. I never bought tickets once for trains, trams or buses as you can use a contactless card (even for inter city journeys). Remember to swipe off though.
I've been over to Amsterdam the last couple of years, the ease of transport and variety makes me weep as a Brummie.
Absolutely. Me and my daughter had a lovely day out in Brum yesterday, because as well as looking at the university we went around the city centre as well. I obviously love the place, but it's one of the most difficult places to get around. Badly designed buildings blocking everywhere, tunnels and crap roads make it a nightmare to traverse.
Post by: VillaTim on October 18, 2023, 10:23:51 AM
I don't understand why the tram in Birmingham is so shite . The trams in Manchester are superb
Post by: DeKuip on October 18, 2023, 10:37:34 AM
So some advice on transport etc. for Alkmaar. I have booked two nights in Amsterdam, hotel in Dam square, and planning to train to match and back after. Those of you familiar with transport in that region please tell me this is ok?
Yes, I expect most Villa fans will do similar.
It’s a good train service from Amsterdam Central Station to Alkmaar and back… and there will be buses laid on to get to the ground and then back to the station after. Trains back to Amsterdam run until half past midnight and you can book tickets in advance on Trainline.
Is that buses to and from the ground info definite DeKuip? As I said yesterday the stadium is a pain in the arse to get to if you’re not in a coach or driving. I agree with Ads as well that if we get treated like the Poles did we’ll be picking tickets up in The Hague and trying to get to Alkmaar after that. Anyone heard anything from the club on whether it’ll be a Hibs style ticket pick up or Warsaw style send you a pdf?
It’s what they’ve done for other European games and makes sense that it’s much easier for the Dutch police to do that too, rather than having to monitor/escort a thousand foreigners on a long walk from the centre. From what I read for the Legia game there was some big anniversary event going on in the town centre that day so they made the meeting point at Den Haag’s ground and bussed the Legia fans in from there - the problem was that a lot of the polish fans ignored that and made their way directly to the ground.
West Ham fans six months ago were given a fanzone type meeting point 10 mins walk from Alkmaar Station and the free busses took them to the ground from there and then back to the station after.
The Dutch police will keep rivals fans away from each other from the moment they arrive in Alkmaar. If you go to Ajax as an away fan you get off the train straight into a cage for the away end.
Post by: VillaTim on October 18, 2023, 10:45:58 AM
always nice to have a little TLC . JesusIf you go to Ajax as an away fan you get off the train straight into a cage for the away end.
Post by: LeeB on October 18, 2023, 10:46:52 AM
I travelled around the Netherlands in the summer and used a public transport app called 9292 on my phone. Very useful for planning all public transport journeys. I never bought tickets once for trains, trams or buses as you can use a contactless card (even for inter city journeys). Remember to swipe off though.
I've been over to Amsterdam the last couple of years, the ease of transport and variety makes me weep as a Brummie.
Absolutely. Me and my daughter had a lovely day out in Brum yesterday, because as well as looking at the university we went around the city centre as well. I obviously love the place, but it's one of the most difficult places to get around. Badly designed buildings blocking everywhere, tunnels and crap roads make it a nightmare to traverse.
I've been up to the uni every year with one of the kids as their primary school run a 'university' scheme based on them doing hours of extra curricular activities and then getting certificates in a big ceremony in the Great Hall. It's is lovely and everything but the bloody journey over from where I am is an absolute nightmare, it used to be quicker for me to get to my old office on the other side of Coventry.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 18, 2023, 10:50:18 AM
re travel, Brum is particularly bad, but most european cities tend to be more densely populated (and thus cover less geographical area) than their British counterparts which makes it hard to compare.
Post by: Lucky Eddie on October 18, 2023, 10:53:57 AM
So some advice on transport etc. for Alkmaar. I have booked two nights in Amsterdam, hotel in Dam square, and planning to train to match and back after. Those of you familiar with transport in that region please tell me this is ok?
Yes, I expect most Villa fans will do similar.
It’s a good train service from Amsterdam Central Station to Alkmaar and back… and there will be buses laid on to get to the ground and then back to the station after. Trains back to Amsterdam run until half past midnight and you can book tickets in advance on Trainline.
Is that buses to and from the ground info definite DeKuip? As I said yesterday the stadium is a pain in the arse to get to if you’re not in a coach or driving. I agree with Ads as well that if we get treated like the Poles did we’ll be picking tickets up in The Hague and trying to get to Alkmaar after that. Anyone heard anything from the club on whether it’ll be a Hibs style ticket pick up or Warsaw style send you a pdf?
It’s what they’ve done for other European games and makes sense that it’s much easier for the Dutch police to do that too, rather than having to monitor/escort a thousand foreigners on a long walk from the centre. From what I read for the Legia game there was some big anniversary event going on in the town centre that day so they made the meeting point at Den Haag’s ground and bussed the Legia fans in from there - the problem was that a lot of the polish fans ignored that and made their way directly to the ground.
West Ham fans six months ago were given a fanzone type meeting point 10 mins walk from Alkmaar Station and the free busses took them to the ground from there and then back to the station after.
The Dutch police will keep rivals fans away from each other from the moment they arrive in Alkmaar. If you go to Ajax as an away fan you get off the train straight into a cage for the away end.
DeKuip
Are ticketless fans likely to be allowed to travel from Amsterdam to Alkmaar?
I've read a statement supposedly from the Dutch Police saying not but didn't know if this was true.
Seems strange that a club/town enjoying their last twenty years in European Football are deemed not suitable to accommodate away fans wanting to enjoy the experience of European football.
Post by: artvandelay on October 18, 2023, 11:08:14 AM
Separately, it also appears that they sold beer in the away end which could be drank in view of the pitch.
Post by: VillaTim on October 18, 2023, 11:10:12 AM
Post by: AV82EC on October 18, 2023, 11:21:20 AM
So some advice on transport etc. for Alkmaar. I have booked two nights in Amsterdam, hotel in Dam square, and planning to train to match and back after. Those of you familiar with transport in that region please tell me this is ok?
Yes, I expect most Villa fans will do similar.
It’s a good train service from Amsterdam Central Station to Alkmaar and back… and there will be buses laid on to get to the ground and then back to the station after. Trains back to Amsterdam run until half past midnight and you can book tickets in advance on Trainline.
Is that buses to and from the ground info definite DeKuip? As I said yesterday the stadium is a pain in the arse to get to if you’re not in a coach or driving. I agree with Ads as well that if we get treated like the Poles did we’ll be picking tickets up in The Hague and trying to get to Alkmaar after that. Anyone heard anything from the club on whether it’ll be a Hibs style ticket pick up or Warsaw style send you a pdf?
It’s what they’ve done for other European games and makes sense that it’s much easier for the Dutch police to do that too, rather than having to monitor/escort a thousand foreigners on a long walk from the centre. From what I read for the Legia game there was some big anniversary event going on in the town centre that day so they made the meeting point at Den Haag’s ground and bussed the Legia fans in from there - the problem was that a lot of the polish fans ignored that and made their way directly to the ground.
West Ham fans six months ago were given a fanzone type meeting point 10 mins walk from Alkmaar Station and the free busses took them to the ground from there and then back to the station after.
The Dutch police will keep rivals fans away from each other from the moment they arrive in Alkmaar. If you go to Ajax as an away fan you get off the train straight into a cage for the away end.
That’s great DeKuip thanks for the info much appreciated.
Post by: Somniloquism on October 18, 2023, 01:01:18 PM
Things to do in Mostar. Pack your trunks.Wow…well done, brave girl.
She does it for a living so not really. Noticeable she changed from head-first to feet first right before landing which is the preferred when not sure of what is under the water. But Redbull sponsor her to free dive from around places and as Redbull seemed to have sponsored the bridge diving setup, she probably was assured it was "safe".
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 18, 2023, 01:07:32 PM
She does it for a living so not really. Noticeable she changed from head-first to feet first right before landing which is the preferred when not sure of what is under the water. But Redbull sponsor her to free dive from around places and as Redbull seemed to have sponsored the bridge diving setup, she probably was assured it was "safe".
Do they sponsor her to free dive, or dive off bridges?
Post by: Somniloquism on October 18, 2023, 02:00:11 PM
Post by: NeilH on October 18, 2023, 02:01:01 PM
I travelled around the Netherlands in the summer and used a public transport app called 9292 on my phone. Very useful for planning all public transport journeys. I never bought tickets once for trains, trams or buses as you can use a contactless card (even for inter city journeys). Remember to swipe off though.
Yep, 9292 is the standard app for travel, you can also use the ns app for the trains. It's a bloody long walk from the station to the stadium so jump on a No2 bus which will drop you a couple of minutes walk from the AFAS.
There is no need to pre-order tickets as you can tap in and out ''contactloos'' - Just don't forget the tap-out!
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 18, 2023, 02:24:09 PM
Post by: DeKuip on October 18, 2023, 04:33:14 PM
DeKuip
Are ticketless fans likely to be allowed to travel from Amsterdam to Alkmaar?
Luckie Eddie - I don’t know the answer to that but would be surprised if anyone was checking match tickets in Amsterdam. They might even have to be collected at a meeting point in Alkmaar anyway.
Post by: Bad English on October 18, 2023, 06:37:11 PM
Noticeable she changed from head-first to feet first right before landing which is the preferred when not sure of what is under the water.I used to share a house with a Swiss high-diver who would dive off a 35 m platform into an above -ground pool. Entry was always feet first for safety reasons (risk of neck injuries etc ).
Post by: Lucky Eddie on October 18, 2023, 09:52:46 PM
DeKuip
Are ticketless fans likely to be allowed to travel from Amsterdam to Alkmaar?
Luckie Eddie - I don’t know the answer to that but would be surprised if anyone was checking match tickets in Amsterdam. They might even have to be collected at a meeting point in Alkmaar anyway.
Thank you
Post by: olaftab on October 18, 2023, 09:58:58 PM
Thanks my friend. I take it Alkmaar Noord is the station to head for from Amsterdam?So some advice on transport etc. for Alkmaar. I have booked two nights in Amsterdam, hotel in Dam square, and planning to train to match and back after. Those of you familiar with transport in that region please tell me this is ok?
Yes, I expect most Villa fans will do similar.
It’s a good train service from Amsterdam Central Station to Alkmaar and back… and there will be buses laid on to get to the ground and then back to the station after. Trains back to Amsterdam run until half past midnight and you can book tickets in advance on Trainline.
Post by: olaftab on October 18, 2023, 10:00:26 PM
I think the Dutch love us :DSo some advice on transport etc. for Alkmaar. I have booked two nights in Amsterdam, hotel in Dam square, and planning to train to match and back after. Those of you familiar with transport in that region please tell me this is ok?
We need to watch that the locals aren't as xenophobic towards us as they are the Poles and make us go to the Hague before and after the game, as that's an hour the wrong way.
Post by: Sunny Villa on October 18, 2023, 10:40:43 PM
Gronigen was a little different , they avoided the more "lively Villa fans " and picked off couples.
I know a few F side lads the older ones won't be a bother but their youth are snides, so maybe stay away from the Grasshopper and the topless place just down from Central station on the main road .
You want peace and quiet stick to to the right hand neighborhood or stroll into the center .
The trains are great .
Have fun
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 18, 2023, 10:53:05 PM
I first learned to swim in my last year at primary school - I did half a width. I was then caught being naughty/taking the piss in church at harvest festival and was banned from swimming lessons. I never went again.
I managed to go to a school that had two swimming pools and still not learn to swim.
Excellent dodging paulie.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 18, 2023, 10:57:35 PM
I travelled around the Netherlands in the summer and used a public transport app called 9292 on my phone. Very useful for planning all public transport journeys. I never bought tickets once for trains, trams or buses as you can use a contactless card (even for inter city journeys). Remember to swipe off though.
I've been over to Amsterdam the last couple of years, the ease of transport and variety makes me weep as a Brummie.
Absolutely. Me and my daughter had a lovely day out in Brum yesterday, because as well as looking at the university we went around the city centre as well. I obviously love the place, but it's one of the most difficult places to get around. Badly designed buildings blocking everywhere, tunnels and crap roads make it a nightmare to traverse.
I've been up to the uni every year with one of the kids as their primary school run a 'university' scheme based on them doing hours of extra curricular activities and then getting certificates in a big ceremony in the Great Hall. It's is lovely and everything but the bloody journey over from where I am is an absolute nightmare, it used to be quicker for me to get to my old office on the other side of Coventry.
I’ve been to that with my two. Our school put a coach on though. Funny to watch all the Chelmsley bods looking open-mouthed at the tall buildings in town and the big houses in Edgbaston like a load of yam-yams.
No offence Dave.
Post by: DeKuip on October 18, 2023, 11:02:32 PM
No, Alkmaar Station is best.Thanks my friend. I take it Alkmaar Noord is the station to head for from Amsterdam?So some advice on transport etc. for Alkmaar. I have booked two nights in Amsterdam, hotel in Dam square, and planning to train to match and back after. Those of you familiar with transport in that region please tell me this is ok?
Yes, I expect most Villa fans will do similar.
It’s a good train service from Amsterdam Central Station to Alkmaar and back… and there will be buses laid on to get to the ground and then back to the station after. Trains back to Amsterdam run until half past midnight and you can book tickets in advance on Trainline.
Post by: liam on October 19, 2023, 06:44:12 PM
Also has anyone found a way to get to Mostar and back home by saturday morning latest..
Post by: Ads on October 19, 2023, 09:08:45 PM
Might be worth seeing if that flight runs on the Friday. Issue you night have is there are only 2 trains a day and one is 7am ish, so a taxi would be needed. This is with Lufthansa.
Post by: liam on October 19, 2023, 09:52:01 PM
Post by: Martyn Smith on October 19, 2023, 10:05:15 PM
It's just we're still showing as playing Sat 2 & 16 Dec
Post by: AV82EC on October 19, 2023, 10:35:39 PM
Can I just check? All weekend games following a Thu match will be played on Sun or Mon won't they?
It's just we're still showing as playing Sat 2 & 16 Dec
December fixtures not finalised yet, though you are right the Bournemouth and Brentford away games will both move to the Sundays.
Post by: algy on October 19, 2023, 11:22:18 PM
We're flying Sarajevo to Frankfurt and Frankfurt to Manchester on the Saturday at roughly 10am. We get back about 2 in the afternoon.Another option might be a bus from Mostar to Split, then fly from there. There’s not that many though (looks like 3 a day).
Might be worth seeing if that flight runs on the Friday. Issue you night have is there are only 2 trains a day and one is 7am ish, so a taxi would be needed. This is with Lufthansa.
Post by: Ads on October 19, 2023, 11:59:23 PM
Post by: artvandelay on October 20, 2023, 03:18:39 PM
Post by: AV82EC on October 20, 2023, 04:07:40 PM
Post by: AV82EC on October 23, 2023, 11:25:06 AM
Yours Mr Impatient.
Post by: dorsetvillian on October 23, 2023, 11:43:15 AM
Post by: AV82EC on October 23, 2023, 11:47:03 AM
Did you call the ticket office or email to confirm they had received your European Travel Form?
Yep called on Friday, they have mine.
Post by: dorsetvillian on October 23, 2023, 01:19:37 PM
Post by: Ads on October 23, 2023, 01:30:17 PM
Post by: AV82EC on October 23, 2023, 02:41:24 PM
I only did my booking form last Friday for the away accommodation/travel. Think these might well be collected in person.
That seems to be what the TO were intimating to me on Friday.
Post by: rjp on October 23, 2023, 03:23:00 PM
I only did my booking form last Friday for the away accommodation/travel. Think these might well be collected in person.
That seems to be what the TO were intimating to me on Friday.
I have just spoken to them. Vouchers should be issued later today or maybe early tomorrow. You will need to take them to Alkmaar and show matching ID to swap them for a ticket. She said that they'll be issuing instructions, maps etc. shortly.
Post by: rjp on October 23, 2023, 03:43:08 PM
Map (https://www.google.com/maps/place/52%C2%B038'03.2%22N+4%C2%B044'45.4%22E/@52.6342222,4.7459444,18z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d52.6342222!4d4.7459444?entry=ttu)
Post by: Ads on October 23, 2023, 04:07:19 PM
It's a sign we're going to batter tham. Tickets in the Grassmarket in Edinburgh, heavy win. Tickets via email in Warsaw, lose. Back to the markets here, equal heavy win.
Post by: dorsetvillian on October 23, 2023, 04:28:38 PM
Post by: liam on October 23, 2023, 04:42:05 PM
Post by: Ads on October 23, 2023, 04:56:14 PM
Amsterdam weather app has rain on the Thursday.
Post by: olaftab on October 23, 2023, 05:42:47 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 23, 2023, 05:43:51 PM
Going to the horsh market, yesh.
I hope that's not your interpretation of how the Dutch pronounce 'horse'.
Post by: olaftab on October 23, 2023, 05:47:48 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 23, 2023, 05:52:31 PM
No not the Dutch but how a former England and Twente Enschede coach says it.
Yes, I knew the the reason for adding the 'sh' sound. ;)
Post by: Luffbralion on October 23, 2023, 05:59:26 PM
Post by: rjp on October 23, 2023, 06:27:12 PM
Anyone know if Villa fans without tickets are meeting up in Amsterdam to watch the game in a bar?
I expect there will be but I have no idea where, probably best to find out where the fans are congregating pre-match. An Irish bar is likely. It does say that you won't be able to watch it in any of the bars in Alkmaar.
Post by: AV82EC on October 23, 2023, 06:52:02 PM
Anyone know if Villa fans without tickets are meeting up in Amsterdam to watch the game in a bar?
I expect there will be but I have no idea where, probably best to find out where the fans are congregating pre-match. An Irish bar is likely. It does say that you won't be able to watch it in any of the bars in Alkmaar.
Get the distinct impression they don't want anyone wandering around Alkmaar as with their lot there's the potential for trouble. So much for travel broadening the mind, its seems like Alkmaar plod aren't taking any chances.
Post by: AVFC Fan on October 23, 2023, 07:39:31 PM
Post by: Pat McMahon on October 24, 2023, 12:53:51 AM
We're flying Sarajevo to Frankfurt and Frankfurt to Manchester on the Saturday at roughly 10am. We get back about 2 in the afternoon.
Might be worth seeing if that flight runs on the Friday. Issue you night have is there are only 2 trains a day and one is 7am ish, so a taxi would be needed. This is with Lufthansa.
Bosnian woman I know has said bus is better from Sarajevo to Mostar. 2h30 and a dozen or so buses through the day. I have a printed timetable from her if you need more info.
Post by: olaftab on October 24, 2023, 09:24:41 AM
Just wanted to remove any hint of casual xenophobia, with hint of brollyman ;)No not the Dutch but how a former England and Twente Enschede coach says it.
Yes, I knew the the reason for adding the 'sh' sound. ;)
Post by: olaftab on October 24, 2023, 09:26:56 AM
Post by: AV82EC on October 24, 2023, 09:34:56 AM
Anyone using Easyjet from Luton tomorrow and return on Friday are welcome to a free lift in my vehicle. Leaving Brum about midday.
Careful where you park <winky thing>
Post by: john e on October 24, 2023, 12:49:25 PM
Anyone using Easyjet from Luton tomorrow and return on Friday are welcome to a free lift in my vehicle. Leaving Brum about midday.
Careful where you park <winky thing>
Don’t need a lift, but I’m on the 12.45 from Luton, might see you at the boarding desk
Post by: Ads on October 24, 2023, 01:41:12 PM
We're flying Sarajevo to Frankfurt and Frankfurt to Manchester on the Saturday at roughly 10am. We get back about 2 in the afternoon.
Might be worth seeing if that flight runs on the Friday. Issue you night have is there are only 2 trains a day and one is 7am ish, so a taxi would be needed. This is with Lufthansa.
Bosnian woman I know has said bus is better from Sarajevo to Mostar. 2h30 and a dozen or so buses through the day. I have a printed timetable from her if you need more info.
Appreciated, but the train is a bit quicker and will get us up into Mostar nice and early- plus it seems to meander via rivers and mountains, so it should look pretty special in December.
A friend at the gym has just been there and she says it's an amazing place. Not sure about jumping off the bridge in December mind.
Post by: Holte L2 on October 24, 2023, 02:13:10 PM
Post by: sid1964 on October 24, 2023, 02:28:18 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 24, 2023, 03:11:08 PM
Up The Villa!
Post by: rjp on October 24, 2023, 03:44:58 PM
We're flying Sarajevo to Frankfurt and Frankfurt to Manchester on the Saturday at roughly 10am. We get back about 2 in the afternoon.
Might be worth seeing if that flight runs on the Friday. Issue you night have is there are only 2 trains a day and one is 7am ish, so a taxi would be needed. This is with Lufthansa.
Bosnian woman I know has said bus is better from Sarajevo to Mostar. 2h30 and a dozen or so buses through the day. I have a printed timetable from her if you need more info.
Appreciated, but the train is a bit quicker and will get us up into Mostar nice and early- plus it seems to meander via rivers and mountains, so it should look pretty special in December.
A friend at the gym has just been there and she says it's an amazing place. Not sure about jumping off the bridge in December mind.
A friend of mine said it's supposed to be a stunning journey on the train. Loads more info on the link below, The Man In Seat 61 is a brilliant resource for international train travel.
https://www.seat61.com/trains-and-routes/sarajevo-to-mostar-by-train.htm (https://www.seat61.com/trains-and-routes/sarajevo-to-mostar-by-train.htm)
Post by: dorsetvillian on October 24, 2023, 04:03:51 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 24, 2023, 04:04:13 PM
Quote
More teams, more games - and more flights. Next season will see men's European club football expand further, with an additional 177 fixtures across Uefa's three major tournaments - and with that comes an increasing impact on the planet.
BBC Sport research suggests the inflated fixture list could lead to teams and fans flying about two billion air miles across the 2024-25 campaign, up from 1.5 billion in 2022-23.
The projected figures for next season equate to more than 4,000 journeys to the Moon and back, and would result in the release of nearly half a million tonnes of greenhouse gases which cause global heating.
But how does that tally with Uefa's pledge to cut its climate impact? And what can be done?
Uefa's former head of social responsibility, Patrick Gasser, has suggested the governing body stops issuing tickets to away fans for Champions League, Europa League and Europa Conference League matches to help reduce its carbon footprint.
Full article https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67159156
Post by: john e on October 24, 2023, 11:03:42 PM
I'd love to hear some away days in Europe stories from those who went.
Any one have any to share?
Athletic Bilbao was the best ever
Post by: olaftab on October 24, 2023, 11:54:50 PM
Ha ha. Keeping away from Airport by parking at Lutom Parkway station.Anyone using Easyjet from Luton tomorrow and return on Friday are welcome to a free lift in my vehicle. Leaving Brum about midday.
Careful where you park <winky thing>
Post by: olaftab on October 25, 2023, 12:00:47 AM
Probably not as my flight is at 16.40, so see you around Dam square. Wish you a safe journey.Anyone using Easyjet from Luton tomorrow and return on Friday are welcome to a free lift in my vehicle. Leaving Brum about midday.
Careful where you park <winky thing>
Don’t need a lift, but I’m on the 12.45 from Luton, might see you at the boarding desk
Post by: john e on October 25, 2023, 11:27:30 AM
Probably not as my flight is at 16.40, so see you around Dam square. Wish you a safe journey.Anyone using Easyjet from Luton tomorrow and return on Friday are welcome to a free lift in my vehicle. Leaving Brum about midday.
Careful where you park <winky thing>
Don’t need a lift, but I’m on the 12.45 from Luton, might see you at the boarding desk
Same to you
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 26, 2023, 10:56:51 AM
Let's take a look at the starting line ups in the 2 Conference League games
Away
Martinez ,Chambers, Konsa, Lenglet, Digne. Kamara, Tielemans, McGinn, Zaniolo. Bailey, Duran.
Home
Martinez, Konsa, Carlos, Lenglet, Digne, Bailey, Dendoncker Tielemans, McGinn, Zaniolo, Duran.
Insights gleamed
Started both conference league matches
Martinez
Konsa
Lenglet
Digne
Tielemans
McGinn
Bailey
Zaniolo
Duran
Started one conference league
Chambers away
Kamara away
Dendoncker home
Not started any conference league
Olsen
Cash
Pau
Douglas
Diaby
Watkins
One can draw their own conclusions on how the squad has been used and the results so far indicate to me a need for some if the key players to come into Europa League starting
Post by: Steve67 on October 26, 2023, 10:46:34 PM
Post by: dekko on October 26, 2023, 11:01:07 PM
What happens after the group finishes? Do we get a load of clubs drop down from the Europa and make us part of another set of group games or do we go straight into a last 16 knock out stage, if we get through, of course!
Finish second in the group and you have to play an extra round against the teams that come 3rd in the Europa League groups.
Win the group and we skip that round entirely.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 26, 2023, 11:01:09 PM
Post by: darren woolley on October 27, 2023, 09:45:30 AM
Yes, the 8 third place teams from the Europa League drop down and play the 8 second placed teams from the Conference League in a preliminary knockout round. Topping the group puts us straight into the last 16.
Thanks for clearing that up BV I didn't know about the 8 teams dropping down from the Europa League.
Post by: Dave P on October 27, 2023, 12:57:40 PM
Yes, the 8 third place teams from the Europa League drop down and play the 8 second placed teams from the Conference League in a preliminary knockout round. Topping the group puts us straight into the last 16.
Thanks for clearing that up BV I didn't know about the 8 teams dropping down from the Europa League.
Which, as it stands, are Olympiakos, Brighton, Rangers, Sturm Graz, Toulouse, Villareal, Servette and Molde but plenty of time for that to change.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on October 27, 2023, 01:03:40 PM
Just want them to progress, so we don't have to face them potentially.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 27, 2023, 02:19:09 PM
Yes, the 8 third place teams from the Europa League drop down and play the 8 second placed teams from the Conference League in a preliminary knockout round. Topping the group puts us straight into the last 16.
Thanks for clearing that up BV I didn't know about the 8 teams dropping down from the Europa League.
Which, as it stands, are Olympiakos, Brighton, Rangers, Sturm Graz, Toulouse, Villareal, Servette and Molde but plenty of time for that to change.
What could possibly go wrong?
Post by: AV84 on October 30, 2023, 01:44:07 PM
We'd get Europa for winning the Conference, but where would that place go when we're going CL instead? Are we looking at potentially 8 English teams in Europe? Or would it go to the runner up from Conference final?
Is there still 2 Europa spots and a EC spot even with 5 CL spots? Which would make 8 anyway? (Possibly more if one of the top teams win the FA Cup too?)
Post by: DeKuip on October 30, 2023, 03:34:29 PM
Probably too complicated to work out but with the 5th place probably getting CL next season, I'm just wondering what would happen if we won the Conference, but then also finished say 4th in the league?In the Conference League winners already qualify for the Champions League or Europa League through their league position the spare place in the Group Stage of the Europa League goes to the team with best UEFA club co-efficient in the qualifying rounds. So there’s be one less game in the first qualifying or Preliminary round. It wouldn’t gain the PL an extra place.
We'd get Europa for winning the Conference, but where would that place go when we're going CL instead? Are we looking at potentially 8 English teams in Europe? Or would it go to the runner up from Conference final?
Is there still 2 Europa spots and a EC spot even with 5 CL spots? Which would make 8 anyway? (Possibly more if one of the top teams win the FA Cup too?)
England could though have 7 Champions League places if say Newcastle and West Ham won this season’s Champions League & Europa League and finished outside the top 5 in the Prem. Then there would be 10 English teams in Europe (or 11 if we also won the Conference League and finished 10th or 11th, ie outside the Europa League qualifying places).
Post by: rjp on November 02, 2023, 07:35:16 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on November 02, 2023, 09:19:00 PM
It's based on a comparison of positions after 10 games and the season end over several seasons.
Here's hoping!
(Didn't quite know which topic to post it into).
THE 2023-24 PREMIER LEAGUE TABLE IS UNLIKELY TO CHANGE DRAMATICALLY - HERE ARE THE NUMBERS TO PROVE IT
There is an understanding that a league table does not truly “take shape” until 10 games of the season have been played.
It is an ancient and arbitrary threshold that we have created for ourselves, but one that does have some merit.
First, it is a nice round number. Second, it’s… double figures.
It’s also precisely 26.3158 per cent of the way through the league season, which makes it feel odd to infer much about the final positions each team will occupy in May 2024.
We wouldn’t take this approach in other walks of life.
If you watched 26 per cent of The Usual Suspects, you wouldn’t know that Roger ‘Verbal’ Kint was Keyser Soze all along. If you watched 26 per cent of The Sixth Sense, you (probably) wouldn’t have worked out that Malcolm is a ghost the whole time. If you watched 26 per cent of Titanic, you wouldn’t have seen the ship… well, you know.
(Major) spoiler alerts notwithstanding, the point is valid — there are still plenty more twists and turns to come in the 2023-24 season.
However, broadly speaking, there is reason to suggest that the pack is unlikely to shuffle dramatically from the current standings. Since the inaugural 20-team Premier League season in 1995-96, more than one-third of teams (38 per cent) have shifted by just one place — or stayed in the same position — when comparing matchweek 10 to the final league standings.
Maybe we innately trust the league table after 10 games because deep down, we know just how much it reveals about the season ahead.There is an understanding that a league table does not truly “take shape” until 10 games of the season have been played.
It is an ancient and arbitrary threshold that we have created for ourselves, but one that does have some merit.
First, it is a nice round number. Second, it’s… double figures.
It’s also precisely 26.3158 per cent of the way through the league season, which makes it feel odd to infer much about the final positions each team will occupy in May 2024.
We wouldn’t take this approach in other walks of life.
If you watched 26 per cent of The Usual Suspects, you wouldn’t know that Roger ‘Verbal’ Kint was Keyser Soze all along. If you watched 26 per cent of The Sixth Sense, you (probably) wouldn’t have worked out that Malcolm is a ghost the whole time. If you watched 26 per cent of Titanic, you wouldn’t have seen the ship… well, you know.
(Major) spoiler alerts notwithstanding, the point is valid — there are still plenty more twists and turns to come in the 2023-24 season.
However, broadly speaking, there is reason to suggest that the pack is unlikely to shuffle dramatically from the current standings. Since the inaugural 20-team Premier League season in 1995-96, more than one-third of teams (38 per cent) have shifted by just one place — or stayed in the same position — when comparing matchweek 10 to the final league standings.
Maybe we innately trust the league table after 10 games because deep down, we know just how much it reveals about the season ahead.
With Tottenham Hotspur sitting at the top of the table after 10 games — their best start to a season in the Premier League era — the instruction from manager Ange Postecoglou was to “let the fans dream” about a title challenge following their 2-1 victory over Crystal Palace on Friday.
Sure, let them dream, but a more pertinent — albeit less catchy — phrase might be to “let them be driven by the data”.
A 2019 study looked at match data from 1995 to 2017 and found that the team who topped the Premier League after matchweek 10 had a 77.3 per cent chance of finishing in the top three by the end of the season.
Title challenge or not, a high likelihood of a return to the Champions League next season after just one-quarter of the season is surely a deal Spurs fans are likely to shake hands on.
Interestingly, a closer look at the findings from the 2019 study highlighted just how stable the league table becomes after just 10 matchweeks.
In the Premier League, the researchers found that 77 per cent of the statistical variance in the final league standings was explained by matchweek 10. By matchweek 20, that rose to 87 per cent. By matchweek 30, it was 94 per cent.
In other words, looking at the league table as early as November does give a decent indication towards the final positions held by each team.
Let’s be clear, the smaller changes in league positions are obviously the ones that can be the most crucial. The difference between a team finishing in first or second is not significant mathematically but immeasurable in its importance.
We should still get the final-day drama of title races, European pushes and relegation battles, but the wider analysis of league standings shows that a decent projection can be made pretty early on.
The implications of this are interesting. While it might seem like club owners appear a little overzealous when parting company with struggling managers before the festive period, the statistical laws suggest things are unlikely to change dramatically in the proceeding weeks and months.
We have come to accept the chaotic desperation that reeks out of clubs when sacking a manager, but the message is simple — there is mathematical merit in taking action sooner rather than later.
While the configuration of the table shuffles less than we might think, there will also continue to be memorable examples of teams who experience a significant drop — or significant charge — from matchweek 10 to the final day.
Looking across the Premier League era, a few seasons stand out.
Last season, Leeds United dropped from a comfortable mid-table position in matchweek 10 to the relegation zone by the end of the campaign.
That swing of eight positions was the second-biggest drop — behind Bournemouth’s nine-position shift from ninth to 18th in 2019-20 — of any Premier League team in the past six seasons.
For those with longer memories, cast your mind back to 2008-09, when a promoted Hull City won six of their opening 10 games — including away trips to Arsenal and Spurs — to find themselves ‘pushing for a European spot’… only to win just two of their remaining 28 games to scrape survival and finish in 17th.
Meanwhile, Spurs were rooted to the table after matchweek 10 in 2008-09, following their worst start to a league season in their history with only two points from their opening eight games. Harry Redknapp replaced Juande Ramos in late October to push Spurs to an eighth-placed finish — the biggest shift in the Premier League era.
Or how about that 2005-06 season, eh?
Charlton Athletic fans will not need reminding of their Darren Bent-inspired early title push that saw them win their opening four league games, only to drop down to a more realistic 13th position by May.
It is a nosedive that has only been matched by Hull’s 2008-09 season in the Premier League era, with no team dropping more than 11 positions within this timeframe.
Similarly, a pre-Sheikh Mansour-owned Manchester City looked to be on for a strong top-half finish in the autumn of 2005, before Stuart Pearce’s side fell eight places to 15th by the end of the season.
Of course, these fun quirks of yesteryear highlight the caveats that must be considered in the wider context of the current league table.
The Athletic has previously analysed the impact of fixture difficulty in skewing the league table in the early part of the season and a favourable run of games can look more pronounced than a team’s quality might suggest.
Secondly, a team’s over- or under-performance can similarly provide a false perception of a team’s true performance. For example, no team has currently scored above their non-penalty expected goals more than Aston Villa, or scored below expectation more than Everton.
Across a full season, you’d expect — although not guarantee — those quirks to even themselves out.
Nevertheless, the numbers don’t lie. While teams are yet to even play all opponents once, there is evidence to suggest that a large part of the league table variance can bey explained after just one-quarter of the season, something that really would give Unai Emery something to smile about.
Post by: SaddVillan on November 02, 2023, 09:24:14 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on November 02, 2023, 09:33:58 PM
Apologies for the double post at the beginning
You know you can "modify" your posts and remove the mistake. Not sure where it is on a mobile device but on the main version it is usually upper right of the post.
I would be more concerned why a post about our PL positions is in the Europa Conference specific thread myself....
Post by: SaddVillan on November 02, 2023, 09:44:27 PM
Apologies for the double post at the beginning
You know you can "modify" your posts and remove the mistake. Not sure where it is on a mobile device but on the main version it is usually upper right of the post.
I would be more concerned why a post about our PL positions is in the Europa Conference specific thread myself....
Thanks for the hint about modifying posts, but that kind of IT literacy is beyond me.
As regards the post not belonging in this topic stream, I did say that I wasn't sure where it belonged. Feel free to move it.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 06, 2023, 05:10:16 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on November 06, 2023, 09:33:27 PM
It's dead easy when you done it once and I the same with ITApologies for the double post at the beginning
You know you can "modify" your posts and remove the mistake. Not sure where it is on a mobile device but on the main version it is usually upper right of the post.
I would be more concerned why a post about our PL positions is in the Europa Conference specific thread myself....
Thanks for the hint about modifying posts, but that kind of IT literacy is beyond me.
As regards the post not belonging in this topic stream, I did say that I wasn't sure where it belonged. Feel free to move it.
Post by: Ads on November 09, 2023, 02:35:06 PM
Post by: AV82EC on November 09, 2023, 03:12:48 PM
Post by: Ads on November 09, 2023, 03:36:51 PM
Post by: rjp on November 09, 2023, 03:37:16 PM
Alkmaar Criteria (https://twitter.com/AVFCSupport/status/1710237210090553811/photo/1)
Mostar Criteria (https://twitter.com/AVFCSupport/status/1722622571290431765/photo/1)
Post by: Ads on November 09, 2023, 03:39:30 PM
Post by: Ads on November 09, 2023, 03:40:53 PM
Post by: rjp on November 09, 2023, 04:02:01 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 09, 2023, 05:57:55 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 09, 2023, 06:00:23 PM
Post by: AV84 on November 09, 2023, 06:19:20 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on November 09, 2023, 06:19:28 PM
Post by: TaxDodger on November 09, 2023, 11:03:18 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on November 09, 2023, 11:45:20 PM
So if we beat Legia with a better result than 3-2 we've definitely won the group and are into the last 16 thus avoiding the play off round? Do 1-0 and 2-1 count as better results than 3-2 because of away goals?
It then goes on goals scored so we need to either win 2-0, 3-0, 3-1, or score 4 and win so it doesn't matter on their score.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on November 10, 2023, 06:47:08 AM
Kinda hoping we can beat Legia and rest players at Zrinjski.
Post by: rob_bridge on November 10, 2023, 07:40:14 AM
AZ can't catch us. Zrinjski can only catch us if they win both and we lose both.
Kinda hoping we can beat Legia and rest players at Zrinjski.
DefI best outcome.
Post by: Ads on November 10, 2023, 07:50:22 AM
Post by: JD on November 10, 2023, 07:53:11 AM
If we put a score on Legia (I.e. beat them by 2 clear goals) then we've won the group haven't we?
I think so.
Post by: AV82EC on November 10, 2023, 08:04:08 AM
If we put a score on Legia (I.e. beat them by 2 clear goals) then we've won the group haven't we?
I think so.
Yep because if we lost to Zrinjski in the last game and they beat AZ we’d both be on 12 points but we’d have the better record in the head to head. It’s all on this Legia game. FTF.
Post by: Villan82 on November 10, 2023, 08:11:00 AM
Post by: olaftab on November 10, 2023, 11:50:45 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on November 10, 2023, 01:10:34 PM
Post by: AV82EC on November 10, 2023, 02:19:55 PM
It looked like the AZ fans were taken out of the ground, down Manor Rd to Witton station and put on a train to NS whether they wanted to go there or not.
So like us in the Netherlands then.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on November 11, 2023, 08:03:16 AM
Post by: AV82EC on November 11, 2023, 08:17:55 AM
Any idea how the ticket sales for Mostar are going?
I heard last night that in the first tranche that about half the tickets had gone but not heard anything since.
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 11, 2023, 08:36:46 AM
It looked like the AZ fans were taken out of the ground, down Manor Rd to Witton station and put on a train to NS whether they wanted to go there or not.shame
Post by: Ads on November 11, 2023, 09:13:51 AM
Any idea how the ticket sales for Mostar are going?
There's 223 left.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on November 11, 2023, 09:37:54 AM
Post by: Ads on November 11, 2023, 09:50:44 AM
Post by: VillaTim on November 11, 2023, 10:06:18 AM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on November 11, 2023, 10:10:03 AM
I'd have thought so. I'll check again about half 10 for you once category 3 has opened.
Appreciate the offer but my window for tickets is non existent, I'm just curious.
There's three of us heading over, will just need to find somewhere to watch it in the town.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on November 11, 2023, 10:17:36 AM
Whats the best flight for Mostar ? Are flight prices reasonable ?
Pretty much the only direct flight I found was Luton to Sarajevo on the day of the match. We paid 300 odd quid each back in September. Actually looks like it might be a bit cheaper now, which is annoying
Post by: VillaTim on November 11, 2023, 10:24:51 AM
not a bad price that , looks like wizz air then turkish back can get for £235 , sadly i got zero chance of a match ticket or the time off workWhats the best flight for Mostar ? Are flight prices reasonable ?
Pretty much the only direct flight I found was Luton to Sarajevo on the day of the match. We paid 300 odd quid each back in September. Actually looks like it might be a bit cheaper now, which is annoying
then it looks like the train isn't running from Sarajevo to Mostar ?
Post by: olaftab on November 11, 2023, 10:54:33 AM
Sadly for you Meanwood £112 last night.Whats the best flight for Mostar ? Are flight prices reasonable ?
Pretty much the only direct flight I found was Luton to Sarajevo on the day of the match. We paid 300 odd quid each back in September. Actually looks like it might be a bit cheaper now, which is annoying
Post by: Meanwood Villa on November 11, 2023, 11:02:29 AM
not a bad price that , looks like wizz air then turkish back can get for £235 , sadly i got zero chance of a match ticket or the time off workWhats the best flight for Mostar ? Are flight prices reasonable ?
Pretty much the only direct flight I found was Luton to Sarajevo on the day of the match. We paid 300 odd quid each back in September. Actually looks like it might be a bit cheaper now, which is annoying
then it looks like the train isn't running from Sarajevo to Mostar ?
Taxi booked from Sarajevo to Mostar, will get the train the other way. Accommodation prices have been very reasonable at least.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on November 11, 2023, 11:04:31 AM
Sadly for you Meanwood £112 last night.Whats the best flight for Mostar ? Are flight prices reasonable ?
Pretty much the only direct flight I found was Luton to Sarajevo on the day of the match. We paid 300 odd quid each back in September. Actually looks like it might be a bit cheaper now, which is annoying
Saw that earlier, once you add the extras it more than doubles in price but still cheaper than what we paid. C'est la vie.
Post by: VillaTim on November 11, 2023, 11:05:28 AM
fair play how much is the cab ?not a bad price that , looks like wizz air then turkish back can get for £235 , sadly i got zero chance of a match ticket or the time off workWhats the best flight for Mostar ? Are flight prices reasonable ?
Pretty much the only direct flight I found was Luton to Sarajevo on the day of the match. We paid 300 odd quid each back in September. Actually looks like it might be a bit cheaper now, which is annoying
then it looks like the train isn't running from Sarajevo to Mostar ?
Taxi booked from Sarajevo to Mostar, will get the train the other way. Accommodation prices have been very reasonable at least.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on November 11, 2023, 11:08:12 AM
fair play how much is the cab ?not a bad price that , looks like wizz air then turkish back can get for £235 , sadly i got zero chance of a match ticket or the time off workWhats the best flight for Mostar ? Are flight prices reasonable ?
Pretty much the only direct flight I found was Luton to Sarajevo on the day of the match. We paid 300 odd quid each back in September. Actually looks like it might be a bit cheaper now, which is annoying
then it looks like the train isn't running from Sarajevo to Mostar ?
Taxi booked from Sarajevo to Mostar, will get the train the other way. Accommodation prices have been very reasonable at least.
£120
Post by: VillaTim on November 11, 2023, 11:27:43 AM
not bad at all for an 80 mile tripfair play how much is the cab ?not a bad price that , looks like wizz air then turkish back can get for £235 , sadly i got zero chance of a match ticket or the time off workWhats the best flight for Mostar ? Are flight prices reasonable ?
Pretty much the only direct flight I found was Luton to Sarajevo on the day of the match. We paid 300 odd quid each back in September. Actually looks like it might be a bit cheaper now, which is annoying
then it looks like the train isn't running from Sarajevo to Mostar ?
Taxi booked from Sarajevo to Mostar, will get the train the other way. Accommodation prices have been very reasonable at least.
£120
Post by: olaftab on November 11, 2023, 12:02:40 PM
1 Tickets Adult
(Area Away Sector, row 7, seat 12)
Post by: AV82EC on November 11, 2023, 12:07:20 PM
Get in!
1 Tickets Adult
(Area Away Sector, row 7, seat 12)
We’re there many left at that level? Oh and enjoy it.
Post by: rjp on November 11, 2023, 12:14:28 PM
1 Tickets Adult
(Area Away Sector, row 3, seat 14)
Post by: olaftab on November 11, 2023, 12:15:35 PM
We’re there many left at that level? Oh and enjoy it.Didn't look at selecting etc mate. I was just focused on pressing 3 buttons till it said "successful transaction". Totally narrow focussed. :D
Post by: AV82EC on November 11, 2023, 12:32:36 PM
We’re there many left at that level? Oh and enjoy it.Didn't look at selecting etc mate. I was just focused on pressing 3 buttons till it said "successful transaction". Totally narrow focussed. :D
Has to be done on fastest finger first.
Post by: VillaTim on November 11, 2023, 01:54:23 PM
Post by: rjp on November 11, 2023, 03:20:15 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/LtZkwKt/stadion-pod-bijelim-brijegom40.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LtZkwKt)
(https://i.ibb.co/zmH8bJw/stadion-pod-bijelim-brijegom41.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zmH8bJw)
(https://i.ibb.co/Kz7k8rT/stadion-pod-bijelim-brijegom42.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Kz7k8rT)
Source: http://stadiumdb.com/stadiums/bih/stadion_pod_bijelim_brijegom (http://stadiumdb.com/stadiums/bih/stadion_pod_bijelim_brijegom)
Post by: LeeB on November 11, 2023, 03:37:43 PM
Post by: Scratchins on November 11, 2023, 04:01:55 PM
Post by: exigo on November 11, 2023, 04:44:01 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 11, 2023, 05:43:14 PM
Looks like this is the away end. Might need a jacket.
(https://i.ibb.co/LtZkwKt/stadion-pod-bijelim-brijegom40.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LtZkwKt)
(https://ibb.co/zmH8bJw)
What a lovely view. Enjoy!
Post by: Lsvilla on November 11, 2023, 05:48:08 PM
Get in!Nice one.
1 Tickets Adult
(Area Away Sector, row 7, seat 12)
Post by: olaftab on November 11, 2023, 06:57:02 PM
Is is me on my own again?😊Get in!Nice one.
1 Tickets Adult
(Area Away Sector, row 7, seat 12)
Post by: coreyfeldman on November 11, 2023, 06:59:51 PM
With AEK, Panathinaikos and Olympiacos all contenders to drop into the Conference League, it's currently mathematically possible for us to win the whole thing with four away knockout games all in Athens.
And the chances of getting the shit beaten out of you vastly increased
Post by: VillaTim on November 12, 2023, 09:19:06 AM
With AEK, Panathinaikos and Olympiacos all contenders to drop into the Conference League, it's currently mathematically possible for us to win the whole thing with four away knockout games all in Athens.If one of those made the final that would make it much harder , be like a home game for them
Post by: exigo on November 13, 2023, 05:44:04 PM
The game Velez Mostar vs Zrinjski was paused due to fight between securities and the part of the crowd...
Post by: exigo on November 13, 2023, 05:48:11 PM
Twitter linky (https://twitter.com/Bljesak/status/1724120660216099099)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 13, 2023, 05:49:24 PM
Mostar derby tonight. Velez absolutely loath Zrinjski for evicting them from their ground. It's going as you might expect:
Quite a few on here won't like their crest.
Post by: exigo on November 13, 2023, 05:57:15 PM
Pitch may have been watered. (https://twitter.com/Bljesak/status/1724121435889635635)
Post by: exigo on November 13, 2023, 07:06:37 PM
One nil. (https://twitter.com/hercegovinainfo/status/1724133712193806594)
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on November 13, 2023, 07:14:46 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 13, 2023, 07:15:53 PM
Velez two up. Their first has a McGinn, Bailey, Watkins feel to it.
One nil. (https://twitter.com/hercegovinainfo/status/1724133712193806594)
Cheers, Unai.
Post by: PeterWithe on November 15, 2023, 09:36:07 AM
Post by: Bad English on November 22, 2023, 12:08:36 PM
Post by: OCD on November 22, 2023, 02:28:09 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on November 24, 2023, 11:41:51 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on November 25, 2023, 10:55:14 AM
It's a 'Must win' if we want to finish top of the group and skip a round of the competition in February. 2 extra games we don't need (although we're normally out of the cup by that point so easier to arrange).
Yep. If we win by two goals it also means the last group game will be a dead rubber and we can rest players during what is going to be a busy period.
Looking forward to this one, should ge a good atmosphere.
Post by: Philek on November 25, 2023, 01:30:44 PM
Post by: Small Rodent on November 25, 2023, 02:01:18 PM
What's the story on Villa halving the Legia allocation. Paints the club in a very bad light over here as apparently we signed a contract for around 2000. Likely there will be 2000 Legia fans around the ground trying to get in as most had already bought their flights and booked accommodation. Police could be busy
I’ve heard that but only from Polish sources. The same sources that reckon both teams have agreed on a draw so that they knock Alkmaar out going into the final game…
Post by: olaftab on November 25, 2023, 02:01:48 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on November 25, 2023, 02:06:42 PM
What's the story on Villa halving the Legia allocation. Paints the club in a very bad light over here as apparently we signed a contract for around 2000. Likely there will be 2000 Legia fans around the ground trying to get in as most had already bought their flights and booked accommodation. Police could be busy
I’ve heard that but only from Polish sources. The same sources that reckon both teams have agreed on a draw so that they knock Alkmaar out going into the final game…
So it's a load of bollocks then?
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 25, 2023, 02:14:47 PM
Post by: Philek on November 25, 2023, 02:16:56 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on November 25, 2023, 02:19:42 PM
Post by: Philek on November 25, 2023, 02:35:28 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on November 25, 2023, 03:02:45 PM
Doesn't second in the Group mean you have to play a play-off against a team dropping down from the Europa leagues to get to the round of 16 proper?
Yes, I believe so.
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 25, 2023, 03:07:58 PM
Post by: Ads on November 25, 2023, 03:14:59 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 25, 2023, 04:20:50 PM
They've got 1,000 tickets.
Isn’t that more or less what they gave us?
Post by: AV82EC on November 25, 2023, 04:35:50 PM
Post by: Pat McMahon on November 25, 2023, 04:39:16 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 25, 2023, 04:40:51 PM
A big part of me thinks it's piss poor by the club, a smaller part thinks that if Legia didn't take pride in acting like bellends for most away games then they'd have the full allocation.
Post by: Somniloquism on November 25, 2023, 05:39:20 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 25, 2023, 06:03:44 PM
Post by: Ads on November 25, 2023, 06:10:55 PM
I spoke to Bladen at Alkmaar about it and the Alkmaar version of Bladen and how they behaved there was embarrassing. That extra apparently pointless turnstile we went through was installed because Legia rushed the gates.
Post by: Martyn Smith on November 25, 2023, 06:22:07 PM
Don't know about the allocation stuff but there's zero chance we've agreed to a draw that would disadvantage us
Plus the only way we could possibly not qualify now would be by a two goal defeat to Mostar, not impossible but you'd hope unlikely.
Besides, I just don't think playing for the draw is the Unai Emery way. His football DNA doesn't allow for gaming, he just plays what's in front of him
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 25, 2023, 06:41:37 PM
If we, and/or the police, can't cope with the required 2k fans, and seemingly can't cope with more than 1k fans how the fuck are we going to cope if we're in the CL, and when we have a bigger ground. It's piss poor. We'd be bitching like fuck if it was the other way round.
Not if we behaved repeatedly like they have on their travels within the last decade we wouldn't.
Post by: dorsetvillian on November 25, 2023, 08:27:23 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 01, 2023, 08:49:47 AM
Would be nice after the group stages to get a team with no ultras and just a nice couple of days away for everyone both legs.
Rangers anyone?
Post by: Smithy on December 01, 2023, 09:02:16 AM
Do we have any idea of potential opponents next round. I know it depends on several things still but it must be narrowed down a bit by now?
Would be nice after the group stages to get a team with no ultras and just a nice couple of days away for everyone both legs.
Rangers anyone?
I'm sure this has been asked and answered multiple times, but do some 3rd place teams from the Europa group stage drop down into the conference League, the way some Champions league group 3rd placed teams drop down into the Europa League?
Post by: AV84 on December 01, 2023, 09:08:18 AM
Do we have any idea of potential opponents next round. I know it depends on several things still but it must be narrowed down a bit by now?
Would be nice after the group stages to get a team with no ultras and just a nice couple of days away for everyone both legs.
Rangers anyone?
I'm sure this has been asked and answered multiple times, but do some 3rd place teams from the Europa group stage drop down into the conference League, the way some Champions league group 3rd placed teams drop down into the Europa League?
Some drop down, not sure if it's all 3rd place or what, but the 2nd place teams in the Conference have to play an extra round against one of the teams that drops down. The 1st place teams skip that and go straight into the last 16.
Post by: Exeter 77 on December 01, 2023, 09:10:51 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 01, 2023, 09:21:05 AM
Group A: Lille (11pts) / Bratislava 10 pts
Group B: KAA Gent (13 pts) / Maccabi (12 points)
Group C: Plzen (15 pts) / Any of Zagreb, Astana, Ballkani.
Group D: Bruges (13 pts) / Bodo (10pts)
Group E: Aston Villa (12 pts) / Legia or Alkmaar
Group F: Fiorentina (11pts) / Ferenc (9pts)
Group G: PAOK (13pts) / Eintracht (9pts)
Group H: Nordsjaelland (10pts) / Razgrad (9pts) / Fenerbache (9pts)
Coming down from Europa League, definitely in 3rd in bold
Group A: Olypiakos or Topola
Group B: AEK or Ajax
Group C: Any of Betis / Rangers / Sparta Prague / Limassol
Group D: Sturm Graz or Rakow
Group E: Any of Toulouse, Union Saint-Gilloise and LASK.
Group F: Panathanoikas or Maccaibi
Group G: Servette
Group H: Qarabag / Molde
Post by: TelfordVilla on December 01, 2023, 09:23:42 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 01, 2023, 09:27:32 AM
Mortar didn't even have a shot at goal yesterday as they lost to Alkmaar. I don't see Villa losing by 2 goals over there.
I don't, but I also don't want to tempt fate.
Post by: coreyfeldman on December 01, 2023, 09:34:27 AM
Post by: Yeltzer on December 01, 2023, 09:52:19 AM
Don't know about the allocation stuff but there's zero chance we've agreed to a draw that would disadvantage us
Plus the only way we could possibly not qualify now would be by a two goal defeat to Mostar, not impossible but you'd hope unlikely.
Besides, I just don't think playing for the draw is the Unai Emery way. His football DNA doesn't allow for gaming, he just plays what's in front of him
Not true. We have already qualified for last 16 due to head to head record with AZ
Post by: Pete3206 on December 01, 2023, 10:26:00 AM
Anyone know how the draw for the next round is done - seedings? Groupings? Totally random?
Uefa website
The 2023/24 UEFA Europa Conference League knockout round play-off draw will be held at the House of European Football in Nyon, Switzerland, on Monday 18 December at 14:00 CET.
Seedings, any groupings and the procedure will be available here from 09:00 CET on the day of the draw.
Post by: Ads on December 01, 2023, 10:27:42 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on December 01, 2023, 10:47:00 AM
This is a WMP decision backed by the club and UEFA. Frankly, fuck Legia, the Millwall wannabee gimps.
I spoke to Bladen at Alkmaar about it and the Alkmaar version of Bladen and how they behaved there was embarrassing. That extra apparently pointless turnstile we went through was installed because Legia rushed the gates.
Ads, what/who is Bladen?
I've been meaning to ask as I've seen you use this phrase a few times.
Post by: PeterWithe on December 01, 2023, 10:47:55 AM
Post by: Ads on December 01, 2023, 10:57:49 AM
This is a WMP decision backed by the club and UEFA. Frankly, fuck Legia, the Millwall wannabee gimps.
I spoke to Bladen at Alkmaar about it and the Alkmaar version of Bladen and how they behaved there was embarrassing. That extra apparently pointless turnstile we went through was installed because Legia rushed the gates.
Ads, what/who is Bladen?
I've been meaning to ask as I've seen you use this phrase a few times.
As PW said, he's our spotter/liaison. He's a good bloke, even for a Dingle.
Post by: Axl Rose on December 01, 2023, 10:59:20 AM
Post by: AV82EC on December 01, 2023, 11:02:12 AM
Fenerbache got smashed 6 last night.
That was a surprise as they look strong and I thought they’d cruise that group and they’re now in 3rd! However last game is against Trnava at home so they should be ok. That Nordsjallend Ludogorets game is going to be tasty.
Post by: Ads on December 01, 2023, 11:16:12 AM
Post by: AV82EC on December 01, 2023, 11:24:33 AM
Post by: Villa in Denmark on December 01, 2023, 11:36:12 AM
I’d forgotten about that but the Danes would have already qualified if they hadn’t drawn at home to Trnava.Watched that game. It was non league standard.
Post by: LeeB on December 01, 2023, 11:43:40 AM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on December 01, 2023, 11:49:46 AM
AEK definitely will, Olympiacos near certain and Panathinaikos odds on.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 01, 2023, 12:18:08 PM
Post by: AV82EC on December 01, 2023, 12:20:35 PM
Good chance that the 3 Greek giants AEK, Olympiacos and Panathinaikos all drop into the Conference League from the Europa League.
AEK definitely will, Olympiacos near certain and Panathinaikos odds on.
Not sure that’s true about AEK as if they lose at Ajax then Ajax will finish 3rd.
Post by: maidstonevillain on December 01, 2023, 12:33:44 PM
The highlights from AEK v Brighton made it look like Brighton were fortunate to win. AEK much more on top.The Brighton manager said as much himself. Something along the lines of - its good that we are learning how to win games when we are not the better team.
Post by: Dave P on December 01, 2023, 01:09:00 PM
Post by: Richard E on December 01, 2023, 01:13:11 PM
I suspect if we play Rangers further down the line, there will be more than 2000 ticketless fans!
It’d be like a bye to the next round for us, they are absolutely pony.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 02, 2023, 12:22:37 PM
Fwiw, I'd like to draw Sturm Graz, for no other reason than the 1970s UEFA Cup name vibes!
Post by: liam on December 04, 2023, 01:14:15 PM
Post by: exigo on December 04, 2023, 01:31:53 PM
Got a ticket for Mostar - but really struggling to get a reasonable priced flight.... i need to be back by the saturday morning, and best i can do is 1 stop both ways into Split and get on Steve Goughs coach from Split to Mostar as he leaves straight after the game so i can fly back Friday - but thats just under £600 anyone found anything better?
We're going London Heathrow to Split via Zagreb on Wednesday afternoon, back Friday lunchtime with Croatia Airlines. It had come down from from £250 to £220 when we booked – through booking.com which was miles cheaper than anywhere else.
Post by: liam on December 04, 2023, 01:38:51 PM
Got a ticket for Mostar - but really struggling to get a reasonable priced flight.... i need to be back by the saturday morning, and best i can do is 1 stop both ways into Split and get on Steve Goughs coach from Split to Mostar as he leaves straight after the game so i can fly back Friday - but thats just under £600 anyone found anything better?
Thanks - will take a look!
We're going London Heathrow to Split via Zagreb on Wednesday afternoon, back Friday lunchtime with Croatia Airlines. It had come down from from £250 to £220 when we booked – through booking.com which was miles cheaper than anywhere else.
Post by: exigo on December 04, 2023, 01:39:42 PM
Post by: olaftab on December 04, 2023, 06:52:36 PM
Post by: exigo on December 04, 2023, 07:13:36 PM
Any whiff on grapevine as to when Zrinjski tickets are going to be posted out?
Doubt they'll be posted out.
Bladen/WMP hadn't gone out to Mostar like they had with Warsaw and Alkmaar for pre-match planning, so would imagine the ticket office will be googling 'Irish bar Mostar' (there is one) and ringing them up in the hope of setting up a tupperware box full of tickets like they did in Edinburgh.
Post by: Pat McMahon on December 04, 2023, 09:37:15 PM
Got a ticket for Mostar - but really struggling to get a reasonable priced flight.... i need to be back by the saturday morning, and best i can do is 1 stop both ways into Split and get on Steve Goughs coach from Split to Mostar as he leaves straight after the game so i can fly back Friday - but thats just under £600 anyone found anything better?
Thanks - will take a look!
We're going London Heathrow to Split via Zagreb on Wednesday afternoon, back Friday lunchtime with Croatia Airlines. It had come down from from £250 to £220 when we booked – through booking.com which was miles cheaper than anywhere else.
I’m going via Frankfurt next Wednesday night, connecting to Sarajevo on Thursday morning and then a bus to Mostar. Return via Vienna on Saturday. All of this is from Heathrow, mind.
Post by: Pat McMahon on December 04, 2023, 09:38:52 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 04, 2023, 10:30:09 PM
Post by: Pat McMahon on December 05, 2023, 12:06:53 AM
A mate who goes everywhere said they’re getting a private bus from Sarajevo (I think) to Mostar £180 return between 6 or 8 of them.
That’s what Chico Hamilton and a group of his mates are doing.
Post by: olaftab on December 05, 2023, 12:56:19 AM
At the point of purchase it was stated that tickets will be posted.Any whiff on grapevine as to when Zrinjski tickets are going to be posted out?
Doubt they'll be posted out.
Bladen/WMP hadn't gone out to Mostar like they had with Warsaw and Alkmaar for pre-match planning, so would imagine the ticket office will be googling 'Irish bar Mostar' (there is one) and ringing them up in the hope of setting up a tupperware box full of tickets like they did in Edinburgh.
Post by: frank black on December 05, 2023, 08:52:43 AM
At the point of purchase it was stated that tickets will be posted.Any whiff on grapevine as to when Zrinjski tickets are going to be posted out?
Doubt they'll be posted out.
Bladen/WMP hadn't gone out to Mostar like they had with Warsaw and Alkmaar for pre-match planning, so would imagine the ticket office will be googling 'Irish bar Mostar' (there is one) and ringing them up in the hope of setting up a tupperware box full of tickets like they did in Edinburgh.
That’s interesting, so is there any reason why for the other games they expect you to pick up at the location? I thought it was some UEFA rule
Post by: Meanwood Villa on December 05, 2023, 08:54:41 AM
Post by: exigo on December 05, 2023, 02:07:34 PM
At the point of purchase it was stated that tickets will be posted.Any whiff on grapevine as to when Zrinjski tickets are going to be posted out?
Doubt they'll be posted out.
Bladen/WMP hadn't gone out to Mostar like they had with Warsaw and Alkmaar for pre-match planning, so would imagine the ticket office will be googling 'Irish bar Mostar' (there is one) and ringing them up in the hope of setting up a tupperware box full of tickets like they did in Edinburgh.
That’s interesting, so is there any reason why for the other games they expect you to pick up at the location? I thought it was some UEFA rule
The 'tickets posted' was on the pdf that was leaked the day before, but not on the one that was released officially. That states that ticket collection point tbc – expect it to be a bar in town.
AVFC Support link (https://twitter.com/AVFCSupport/status/1722622571290431765/photo/1)
Post by: liam on December 05, 2023, 02:45:29 PM
At the point of purchase it was stated that tickets will be posted.Any whiff on grapevine as to when Zrinjski tickets are going to be posted out?
Doubt they'll be posted out.
Bladen/WMP hadn't gone out to Mostar like they had with Warsaw and Alkmaar for pre-match planning, so would imagine the ticket office will be googling 'Irish bar Mostar' (there is one) and ringing them up in the hope of setting up a tupperware box full of tickets like they did in Edinburgh.
This was on my email from the club - saying they had to be collected from host country again
This is NOT your ticket.
Each supporter who purchases a ticket will be required to complete a European Travel Form which details travel plans, time of arrival in the host country and accommodation details.
Once you have purchased your ticket and completed the travel form, a ticket eligibility voucher will be forwarded to you by email. You must bring a paper copy of this voucher with you to the host country, which will be exchanged for your ticket.
Click here to complete your European Travel Form.
Your ticket(s) will be issued to you in the host country by Aston Villa staff and the address and collection details will be outlined on the ticket eligibility voucher.
Your numbered voucher along with driving licence and/or passport photo ID will be required to exchange for a match ticket. Tickets are strictly for personal use only, cannot be resold and are non-transferable.
All supporters will need to comply with our Europa Conference League Away Match policy, which includes an agreement to complete the European Travel Form no later than 48 hours prior to the fixture.
If the form is not completed and submitted to the club, your ticket sale may be cancelled.
Post by: olaftab on December 05, 2023, 06:11:24 PM
This was on my email from the club - saying they had to be collected from host country againThanks liam. Yes I noted that on the email but thought it was standard guff, as Legia ticket was issued via email but Alkmaar followed the stated process.
Anyway has anyone received the voucher yet?
Post by: liam on December 06, 2023, 01:46:17 PM
Post by: john e on December 06, 2023, 01:53:38 PM
I managed Amsterdam but that was no hardship really as it turned into a nice city break
But a trip to Bosnia at this time of year is true commitment and I hope you all have a great time over there with a few beers and no problems
I don’t mind admitting you are all better fans than i
Happy travels and keep safe
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 06, 2023, 02:43:17 PM
But a trip to Bosnia at this time of year is true commitment and I hope you all have a great time over there with a few beers and no problems
I don’t mind admitting you are all better fans than i
Happy travels and keep safe
Agreed, hope the beer is cheap and they gave a great trip.
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 06, 2023, 03:39:10 PM
Yes Legia was the odd one out so far...looking at Zrinjski's stadium i do wonder if they will have the facilities for E-Tickets!And it does annoy me a fair bit that they can't let us have the ticket info email/voucher (to print!) sooner rather than later...some are having to fly out 2 days before the game and probably aren't taking their printers with them! We go out on Wednesday and return Friday, which is what the majority are doing I think.
Post by: Ads on December 06, 2023, 03:41:50 PM
Post by: Ads on December 08, 2023, 09:33:07 AM
Post by: exigo on December 08, 2023, 09:52:28 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 08, 2023, 10:00:17 AM
Collection point for tickets has been emailed. Trg Hrvatskih velikana between 13:30 and 16:00 next Thursday. Looks like a public square.
Don't forget to get your picture next to the Bruce Lee statue in the park opposite.
Post by: liam on December 08, 2023, 11:57:31 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/CJBdvzt/goldencube.png) (https://ibb.co/CJBdvzt)
Post by: dcdavecollett on December 09, 2023, 02:03:42 AM
Post by: Martyn Smith on December 09, 2023, 10:07:12 AM
Post by: AV84 on December 09, 2023, 10:15:44 AM
Post by: IFWaters on December 09, 2023, 08:11:15 PM
Olsen
Moreno
Diego
Konsa
Cash
Donk
Luiz (think he misses Brentford)
Ramsey
Diaby
Duran
Zaniolo
Leave Emi, Pau, SJM and Watkins extra rest at home.
Post by: JD on December 09, 2023, 08:50:31 PM
Konsa could do with a rest.
Post by: ldavfc4eva on December 09, 2023, 09:21:07 PM
Moreno
Lenglet
Diego
Cash
JJ
Dendoncker
Luiz
Tielemans
Duran
Diaby
Post by: algy on December 09, 2023, 09:32:16 PM
Post by: supertom on December 10, 2023, 11:08:47 AM
Moreno, Carlos, JJ, Tielemens, Duran, Olsen and the Donk will benefit from minutes. Diaby and Cash haven't been overly exerted in the past week, so should be reasonably fresh.
We could chuck in a few U23 and still have enough to get the point we need but I think we've enough depth to put out a quality senior side that should get the job done.
Post by: OCD on December 10, 2023, 11:11:08 AM
Post by: VillaTim on December 10, 2023, 11:13:07 AM
Cash Lenglet Torres Digne
--- Luiz -- Dendoncker ---
Zaniolo ------------ Ramsey
-- Duran --- Diaby -------
Post by: AV84 on December 10, 2023, 11:26:21 AM
We could chuck in a few U23 and still have enough to get the point we need but I think we've enough depth to put out a quality senior side that should get the job done.
Do we actually have any non regular first team players we could realistically send to this? Iroegbunam is the only one that springs to mind.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 10, 2023, 11:47:36 AM
OlsenI wOuld rest Luiz and Tielemans.
Moreno
Lenglet
Diego
Cash
JJ
Dendoncker
Luiz
Tielemans
Duran
Diaby
We have bigger fish to fry.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 10, 2023, 11:49:43 AM
OlsenI wOuld rest Luiz and Tielemans.
Moreno
Lenglet
Diego
Cash
JJ
Dendoncker
Luiz
Tielemans
Duran
Diaby
We have bigger fish to fry.
Doug is suspended for Brentford so will be getting a rest then, I would think he will play.
Post by: Exeter 77 on December 11, 2023, 05:42:52 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67684377
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 12, 2023, 08:34:38 PM
Knockout round play-offs: 15 and 22 February 2024
Round of 16: 7 and 14 March 2024
Quarter-finals: 11 and 18 April 2024
Semi-finals: 2 and 9 May 2024
Final: 29 May 2024
Post by: Holte L2 on December 12, 2023, 08:36:14 PM
I know it's a long shot!
Post by: liam on December 12, 2023, 09:44:50 PM
Post by: olaftab on December 12, 2023, 09:49:13 PM
Just noticed this on Greek fans being banned from all domestic games until February and wondered if it might cause UEFA to move the Conference League final to Villa Park.FIFY.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67684377
Post by: Pat McMahon on December 13, 2023, 12:47:06 AM
Anyone going to be in Split tomorow night..not landing till 8pm but if any plans are in place to meet please post here, taveliing on my own .
Steve Gough’s merry men leave from there on Thursday morning so bound to be a few in Split tomorrow
Post by: liam on December 13, 2023, 11:47:24 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 13, 2023, 06:00:53 PM
Dougie's suspended for Brentford so him and Digne should be certs to play.Yes and Diaby is a booking away from suspension in the next round so he can be on the bench
Post by: Bad English on December 13, 2023, 06:06:08 PM
STEVE GOUGH'S MERRY MEN, SURELY?Anyone going to be in Split tomorow night..not landing till 8pm but if any plans are in place to meet please post here, taveliing on my own .
Steve Gough’s merry men leave from there on Thursday morning so bound to be a few in Split tomorrow
Post by: Bad English on December 13, 2023, 06:09:43 PM
Post by: Bad English on December 13, 2023, 06:11:34 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 13, 2023, 06:14:40 PM
It's all innocent! It's Prem coach travel!!
I mean I search Steve Gough and it came up with something different and wondered what sort of japes and antics were to be going on! Apologies.
Post by: Pat McMahon on December 13, 2023, 06:31:44 PM
I'm on Steve Goughs coach so will start with the irish bar and see whose in there
Which Irish bar is it?
Post by: coreyfeldman on December 14, 2023, 12:16:14 PM
I don't know any but wonder what Brighton or West Hams fans' experience might have been this season.
Even kicking off at the volleyball there as well, lunatics.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 14, 2023, 03:40:03 PM
Post by: algy on December 14, 2023, 03:46:41 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 14, 2023, 06:52:06 PM
Even kicking off at the volleyball there as well, lunatics.
It's pretty lively at the basketball as well.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 14, 2023, 08:11:11 PM
Group winners
Villa
Fiorentina
PAOK Salonika
Fenerbahçe
Runners up
Leiga Warsaw
Ferencvárosi TC
Frankfurt
Ludogorets
Europa League 3rd place
Union Saint-Gilloise
Maccabi Haifa
Servette
Molde
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 14, 2023, 08:22:51 PM
ie all first place clubs get drawn against winners of the play off ties between the second place sides and the EL dropouts?
Post by: curiousorange on December 14, 2023, 08:23:31 PM
Post by: Richard on December 14, 2023, 08:28:14 PM
In the next round is the draw seeded?
ie all first place clubs get drawn against winners of the play off ties between the second place sides and the EL dropouts?
This is what happened last season so hopefully the same. We will have the home leg second too.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 14, 2023, 08:32:48 PM
Quote
In the draw for the knockout round play-offs, the eight group runners-up are seeded, and the eight Europa League group third-placed teams are unseeded. The seeded teams are drawn against the unseeded teams, with the seeded teams hosting the second leg. Teams from the same association cannot be drawn against each other.
In the draw for the round of 16, the eight group winners are seeded, and the eight winners of the knockout round play-offs are unseeded. Again, the seeded teams are drawn against the unseeded teams, with the seeded teams hosting the second leg. Teams from the same association cannot be drawn against each other.
In the draws for the quarter-finals onwards, there are no seedings, and teams from the same association could be drawn against each other. As the draws for the quarter-finals and semi-finals are held together before the quarter-finals are played, the identity of the quarter-final winners will not be known at the time of the semi-final draw. A draw will also be held to determine which semi-final winner will be designated as the "home" team for the final (for administrative purposes as it is played at a neutral venue).
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The draw for the knockout round play-offs will be held on 18 December 2023, 14:00 CET. The first legs will be played on 15 February 2024 and the second legs will be played on 22 February 2024.
Round of 16
The draw for the round of 16 will be held on 23 February 2024, 13:00 CET. The first legs will be played on 7 March 2024 and the second legs will be played on 14 March 2024.
Post by: DeKuip on December 14, 2023, 09:05:13 PM
Post by: usav on December 14, 2023, 09:08:53 PM
And there’s nothing stopping us drawing Legia if they get through the play off.
Are you sure? I know in the Champions League you can't draw teams who were in the same group as you.
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 14, 2023, 09:11:18 PM
March:
2nd Luton away
7th Conference League
10th Spurs home
14th Conference League
17thWest Ham away
International Break
Post by: AV82EC on December 14, 2023, 09:14:17 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 14, 2023, 09:19:55 PM
And there’s nothing stopping us drawing Legia if they get through the play off.
Are you sure? I know in the Champions League you can't draw teams who were in the same group as you.
The only thing I can see on the UEFA site is that teams from the same country can't play each other.
Post by: DeKuip on December 14, 2023, 09:20:47 PM
Last season group runners up Basel won their play off round match then knocked out Slovan Bratislava in Rnd of 16 - Slovan had topped Basel’s group.And there’s nothing stopping us drawing Legia if they get through the play off.
Are you sure? I know in the Champions League you can't draw teams who were in the same group as you.
Post by: usav on December 14, 2023, 09:28:11 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 14, 2023, 09:32:51 PM
Ah ok, thanks. Seems like they should be consistent with the CL....they are trying to be with all other aspects.
I'd imagine the fact that nobody drops down into the CL makes it a bit easier to have that rule.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 14, 2023, 09:46:13 PM
Knockout round play-offs: 15 and 22 February 2024
Round of 16: 7 and 14 March 2024
Quarter-finals: 11 and 18 April 2024
Semi-finals: 2 and 9 May 2024
Final: 29 May 2024
Post by: AV84 on December 14, 2023, 09:56:38 PM
Olympiakos (GRE)
Ajax (NLD)
Real Betis (ESP)
SK Sturm Graz (AUT)
Union Saint-Gilloise (BEL)
Maccabi Haifa (ISR)
Servette (SWI)
Molde (NOR)
They will playoff against:
Slovan Bratislava (SVK)
Gent (BEL)
Dinamo Zagreb (CRO)
Bodø/Glimt (NOR)
Legia Warsaw (POL)
Ferencvárosi TC (HUN)
Frankfurt (GER)
Ludogorets (BUL)
Teams from same country can't be drawn against each other, so that's Molde and Bodø/Gmilt, and Union Saint-Gilloise and Gent.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 14, 2023, 09:57:37 PM
Post by: Des Little on December 14, 2023, 10:01:41 PM
Post by: AV82EC on December 14, 2023, 10:03:59 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 14, 2023, 10:05:27 PM
Group winners
Villa
Fiorentina
PAOK Salonika
Fenerbahçe
Lille
Maccabi Tel-Aviv
Viktoria Plzen
Club Bruges
Runners up
Leiga Warsaw
Ferencvárosi TC
Frankfurt
Ludogorets
Slovan Bratislava
Gent
Dinamo Zagreb
Bodø/Glimt
Europa League 3rd place
Union Saint-Gilloise
Maccabi Haifa
Servette
Molde
Olympiakos
Ajax
Real Betis
SK Sturm Graz
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 14, 2023, 10:08:14 PM
Post by: nick harper on December 14, 2023, 10:14:13 PM
Villa 10/3
Fiorentina 5/1
Eintracht Frankfurt 8/1
Lille 10/1
Fenerbahce 12/1
Post by: AV84 on December 14, 2023, 10:16:10 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 14, 2023, 10:24:53 PM
Main odds:
Villa 10/3
Fiorentina 5/1
Eintracht Frankfurt 8/1
Lille 10/1
Fenerbahce 12/1
I'd say those are the odds before the EL teams dropped down. I'd imagine Real Betis, USG and Ajax (history more than current form) will make it onto that list at the very least..
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 14, 2023, 10:28:05 PM
Main odds:
Villa 10/3
Fiorentina 5/1
Eintracht Frankfurt 8/1
Lille 10/1
Fenerbahce 12/1
I'd say those are the odds before the EL teams dropped down. I'd imagine Real Betis, USG and Ajax (history more than current form) will make it onto that list at the very least..
Wouldn’t the fact that those teams have a play-off to get through mean their odds will be long(er) compared to the teams already through to the last 16?
Post by: Monty on December 14, 2023, 10:29:10 PM
Main odds:
Villa 10/3
Fiorentina 5/1
Eintracht Frankfurt 8/1
Lille 10/1
Fenerbahce 12/1
I'd say those are the odds before the EL teams dropped down. I'd imagine Real Betis, USG and Ajax (history more than current form) will make it onto that list at the very least..
One thing I really like is that those would all be proper European games.
Post by: DeKuip on December 14, 2023, 10:30:34 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 14, 2023, 10:32:54 PM
I'd say those are the odds before the EL teams dropped down. I'd imagine Real Betis, USG and Ajax (history more than current form) will make it onto that list at the very least..
Wouldn’t the fact that those teams have a play-off to get through mean their odds will be long(er) compared to the teams already through to the last 16?
Probably depends on the individual team and circumstances e.g. see Frankfurt. I don't think our odds would lengthen much if we had to play the additional round.
Post by: tomd2103 on December 15, 2023, 12:44:41 AM
With that lot you're playing a name. The Premier League is so strong now that almost all of our clubs could get into the Champions League snywhere else. There's not another club in the draw who we wouldn’t be favourites to best.
True Dave, but most of them will be a step up from what we have faced so far.
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 15, 2023, 01:04:55 AM
With that lot you're playing a name. The Premier League is so strong now that almost all of our clubs could get into the Champions League snywhere else. There's not another club in the draw who we wouldn’t be favourites to best.
True Dave, but most of them will be a step up from what we have faced so far.
They would be but we're still better than them.
Post by: Martyn Smith on December 15, 2023, 01:17:34 AM
Post by: VillaTim on December 15, 2023, 01:32:44 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on December 15, 2023, 01:34:03 AM
With that lot you're playing a name. The Premier League is so strong now that almost all of our clubs could get into the Champions League snywhere else. There's not another club in the draw who we wouldn’t be favourites to best.
True Dave, but most of them will be a step up from what we have faced so far.
They would be but we're still better than them.
Should be, but there do look some tricky away legs in there.
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 15, 2023, 01:40:13 AM
With that lot you're playing a name. The Premier League is so strong now that almost all of our clubs could get into the Champions League snywhere else. There's not another club in the draw who we wouldn’t be favourites to best.
True Dave, but most of them will be a step up from what we have faced so far.
They would be but we're still better than them.
Should be, but there do look some tricky away legs in there.
That's the spirit.
Post by: Lsvilla on December 15, 2023, 01:42:58 AM
Draw today - Fri - I presume? Am wondering if two draws will be made actually, such that we know which play-off tie's winners we will be playingPlay off round draw is Monday as someone else said. We can happily speculate about our fate until 23 February 2024 when all will be revealed (well last 16 draw anyway).
If we happen to be drawn away first gives us 13 days to sort tickets / travel / accommodation etc.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 15, 2023, 04:42:44 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/xDgJkXL/IMG-1308.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xDgJkXL)
Post by: Richard on December 15, 2023, 05:46:08 AM
Draw today - Fri - I presume? Am wondering if two draws will be made actually, such that we know which play-off tie's winners we will be playingPlay off round draw is Monday as someone else said. We can happily speculate about our fate until 23 February 2024 when all will be revealed (well last 16 draw anyway).
If we happen to be drawn away first gives us 13 days to sort tickets / travel / accommodation etc.
We will be away first as seeded.
Post by: AV82EC on December 15, 2023, 06:24:23 AM
Draw today - Fri - I presume? Am wondering if two draws will be made actually, such that we know which play-off tie's winners we will be playingPlay off round draw is Monday as someone else said. We can happily speculate about our fate until 23 February 2024 when all will be revealed (well last 16 draw anyway).
If we happen to be drawn away first gives us 13 days to sort tickets / travel / accommodation etc.
We will be away first as seeded.
Yep, that 7 March game will be away so get your holidays booked and let’s hope for a draw where we get a decent allocation of tickets!
Post by: Meanwood Villa on December 15, 2023, 06:36:39 AM
Post by: ldavfc4eva on December 15, 2023, 07:01:05 AM
Frankfurt 9/1
Fiorentina 11/2
Lille 12/1
From oddschecker
Post by: Lsvilla on December 15, 2023, 10:01:38 AM
Thanks both. Missed the seeding bit. Useful to know.Draw today - Fri - I presume? Am wondering if two draws will be made actually, such that we know which play-off tie's winners we will be playingPlay off round draw is Monday as someone else said. We can happily speculate about our fate until 23 February 2024 when all will be revealed (well last 16 draw anyway).
If we happen to be drawn away first gives us 13 days to sort tickets / travel / accommodation etc.
We will be away first as seeded.
Yep, that 7 March game will be away so get your holidays booked and let’s hope for a draw where we get a decent allocation of tickets!
Post by: 85kota on December 15, 2023, 11:01:52 AM
The teams that have officially qualified. Draw will be seeded
(https://i.ibb.co/xDgJkXL/IMG-1308.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xDgJkXL)
Some decent badges in there. I like Lille's.
What's that on Fenerbahce's? A weed?
Post by: Somniloquism on December 15, 2023, 11:05:57 AM
Post by: AV84 on December 15, 2023, 01:46:43 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 15, 2023, 01:56:48 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 15, 2023, 02:05:44 PM
Is there an explanation for the Gent one?
Supposedly because Buffalo Bill visited Gent the same year as they were being setup so they decided on the nickname "The Buffalos" and decided the Indian Chieftain in his shows embodied their spirit.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 15, 2023, 02:08:08 PM
Post by: danno on December 15, 2023, 02:14:25 PM
I didn't realise until today that Maccabi Tel Aviv's manager is Robbie Keane.
He did support them as a boy.
Post by: Dave P on December 15, 2023, 03:54:20 PM
Whenever I see the word Ghent - either the town or the eponymous football club - my internal jukebox queues up "Ain't Nothing Going On But theRentGhent" by Gwen Guthrie.
I always think of HMHB. "So think on if your'e up against Gent"
Post by: AV82EC on December 18, 2023, 12:33:24 PM
Post by: AV82EC on December 18, 2023, 01:17:51 PM
Servette v Ludogorets
Union St Gilloise v Eintracht Frankfurt
Real Betis v Dinamo Zagreb
Olympiacos v Ferencvaros
Ajax v Bodo/Glimt
Molde v Legia Warsaw
Maccabi Haifa v Gent
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 18, 2023, 01:19:05 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on December 18, 2023, 01:20:45 PM
Post by: hipkiss92 on December 18, 2023, 01:25:46 PM
Sturm Graz v Slovan Bratislva
Servette v Ludogorets
Union St Gilloise v Eintracht Frankfurt
Real Betis v Dinamo Zagreb
Olympiacos v Ferencvaros
Ajax v Bodo/Glimt
Molde v Legia Warsaw
Maccabi Haifa v Gent
Would be happy with the winners of either Real Betis / Dinamo Zagreb or Olympiacos / Ferencvaros ties as a glamour fixture for our Round of 16 game.
Post by: PeterWithe on December 18, 2023, 01:27:53 PM
If anyone’s interested or has a love of overblown nonsense with UEFA suits drawing plastic balls from serving dishes the Europa Conference League Play off draw is live at 1pm on UEFA.tv.
Ah right, so this is the 'extra' game we avoided by winning the group.
Post by: AV82EC on December 18, 2023, 01:28:59 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on December 18, 2023, 01:37:04 PM
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Aston Villa are favourites to win the Conference League according to our Euro Club Index. Villa are ranked 21st in Europe and the highest ranked team they could draw in the last-16 is Real Betis (29th).
However, the Spanish team have to first negotiate the knockout play-off round tie against Dinamo Zagreb after being surprised by Rangers in the Europa League last week.
There are only three possible last-16 opponents for Villa amongst the top 64 teams in Europe according to our index - Real Betis (29th), Eintracht Frankfurt (44th) and Union Saint-Gilloise (49th).
Post by: AV82EC on December 18, 2023, 01:37:07 PM
If anyone’s interested or has a love of overblown nonsense with UEFA suits drawing plastic balls from serving dishes the Europa Conference League Play off draw is live at 1pm on UEFA.tv.
Yep
Ah right, so this is the 'extra' game we avoided by winning the group.
Post by: rob_bridge on December 18, 2023, 01:57:32 PM
Does anyone know if they are planning something similar in Champions League next year
Post by: UK Redsox on December 18, 2023, 02:14:35 PM
I think the bye for winning the groups in 2nd and 3rd competitions is a really good incentive and removes some of the dead rubbers.
Does anyone know if they are planning something similar in Champions League next year
Yes....ish
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The top eight sides in the league will qualify automatically for the round of 16, while the teams finishing in 9th to 24th place will compete in a two-legged knock-out phase play-off to secure their path to the last 16 of the competition. Teams that finish 25th or lower will be eliminated, with no access to the UEFA Europa League.
https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/0268-12157d69ce2d-9f011c70f6fa-1000--new-format-for-champions-league-post-2024-everything-you-ne/
Post by: usav on December 18, 2023, 02:15:10 PM
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2023, 02:18:27 PM
Champions league will be a completely different format next year. Moving to 8 games in a “Swiss league” format.It's mental, I'm playing through it on Football Manager.
Post by: Richard E on December 18, 2023, 02:21:49 PM
Post by: DeKuip on December 18, 2023, 02:25:45 PM
I think the bye for winning the groups in 2nd and 3rd competitions is a really good incentive and removes some of the dead rubbers.It changes completely next season - four team groups will be a thing of the past. Everyone plays in one big 36 team group but plays eight games against eight different opponents. Top eight go through to last 16 and the teams finishing 9th to 24th go into a play off round. Same or similar with the other two competitions.
Does anyone know if they are planning something similar in Champions League next year
So that’s an extra two group dates to fit in, and there’ll still be dead rubbers, maybe even more.
Post by: DeKuip on December 18, 2023, 02:27:00 PM
Post by: itbrvilla on December 18, 2023, 02:55:19 PM
Anyone lose a flag in Mostar?
Post by: tomd2103 on December 18, 2023, 02:56:47 PM
Think I read that the draw for the last 16 is not until February 23rd, so we can really focus on the other competitions for the next couple of months.
Post by: PeterWithe on December 18, 2023, 03:31:26 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/avfc/s/hZsd3PRbto
Anyone lose a flag in Mostar?
These euro types seem to think nicking a flag off a hotel balcony or bar and holding it upside down for photos is the sporting equivalent of holding Rourke's Drift.
Weirdos.
Post by: Ads on December 18, 2023, 03:34:30 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on December 18, 2023, 04:34:40 PM
Last seen in Bilbao in 1977. Not absolutely sure if I lost it, gave it some spaniard or it was stolen. To be honest I was very drunk at the time.
It was a Union flag which I had acquired by shinning up to the top of a flagpole outside a conservative club late one night.
I'm not by nature a thief and also have a terrible head for heights. In my defence I was very drunk at the time.
Post by: john e on December 18, 2023, 04:47:18 PM
If anybody knows where my flag is, could they let me know.
Last seen in Bilbao in 1977. Not absolutely sure if I lost it, gave it some spaniard or it was stolen. To be honest I was very drunk at the time.
It was a Union flag which I had acquired by shinning up to the top of a flagpole outside a conservative club late one night.
I'm not by nature a thief and also have a terrible head for heights. In my defence I was very drunk at the time.
Ha ha there’s a common theme flowing through your post
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on December 18, 2023, 07:16:43 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/avfc/s/hZsd3PRbto
Anyone lose a flag in Mostar?
That was our London Lions flag - on the far left. Someone borrowed it to take to the game and got jumped by FC Velens fans, who nicked it. I think that photo was taken at Velens’ ground at the weekend.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on December 18, 2023, 07:19:04 PM