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Offline Footy-Vill

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Re: January Transfer Window - The Verdict.
« Reply #225 on: February 01, 2023, 06:28:07 PM »

There are actually agreements that are made actually and find sometimes that occurs. Makes sense to me don't have to be so dismissive if you don't agree it happened but it can happen and does happen with managers and clubs actually whereby a period of time before you can raid the old club. Goodwill gestures and or financial clauses etc

Have you got any concrete examples of this? It makes no sense whatsoever from either a sporting or a legal perspective.
Well when Guardiola signed for Man City the notion was he could not sign from Bayern. There are innumerable practices of the principal agreements among football clubs and managers respecting things, but not all brought into public domain.

Emery is a man of great respect and honour, therefore I assume that he agreed to refrain from further interfering with the Villareal football team's season because he could easily tap up and divert players to us.

Since we never signed any, I think Rangers and Gerrard had a similar deal, which prevented us from originally purchasing any of their players for a certain period of time. prior to Rory Wilson.

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Re: January Transfer Window - The Verdict.
« Reply #226 on: February 01, 2023, 06:32:46 PM »
If you look at the succession of blowhards, chancers and grifters we've had as managers at various stages over the last 20 years or so and there's not many (any) who go straight back to their former club to raid players.

And that's despite the whole 'manager prefers players he's worked with before' football truism.
Somewhat yes.
But likes of Sherwood ,Lambo, and Mcleish had come into the big time with us, and previous clubs didnít have required players.

Rangers and Villareal, more than coincidence, no signings from there?



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Re: January Transfer Window - The Verdict.
« Reply #227 on: February 01, 2023, 06:39:21 PM »
This is one of the most pointless discussions/arguments Iíve seen on here for a while but Iíll bite, personally Iíd say that in amongst the river of waffle of non stories and click bait shit that emerges from the media these days then something vaguely relevant and news worthy such as that would have come to the surface at some point in the last three months and particularly the last month.

Offline TheMalandro

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Re: January Transfer Window - The Verdict.
« Reply #228 on: February 01, 2023, 06:47:33 PM »

There are actually agreements that are made actually and find sometimes that occurs. Makes sense to me don't have to be so dismissive if you don't agree it happened but it can happen and does happen with managers and clubs actually whereby a period of time before you can raid the old club. Goodwill gestures and or financial clauses etc

Have you got any concrete examples of this? It makes no sense whatsoever from either a sporting or a legal perspective.

Iím guessing it didnít happen when we poached Mcleish!

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Re: January Transfer Window - The Verdict.
« Reply #229 on: February 01, 2023, 06:53:33 PM »
To bring something not mentioned into the Transfer Window verdict discussion and it's what I've been able to deduce- that there was the probable understanding between Villa, Villarreal, and Emery.
So then we can infer from the transfer window that Emery was prohibited from signing any players from Villarreal as part of the conditions of his agreement to join Villa from Villarreal.

That must be the case, in my opinion, as Danjuma on a loan option would have been appropriate for the forward positions.
In addition, while we didn't sign a single player from Emery's team, other clubs, some of whom were Premier League clubs, did sign or make attempts to sign Villarreal players. Jackson and Danjuma. This could indicates that an intervening clause was required.
The next question is how long this agreement will be the case, as the next window in the summer could still see the restriction in place in not being able to sign Villarreal players.

Is this the price we have had to pay for getting Emery? but, that is something we can live with, as he is 100% the right coaching manager for pushing on and becoming consistent and being successful club.

Up The Villa!

You neglected to call him 'El Maestro'. :(

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Re: January Transfer Window - The Verdict.
« Reply #230 on: February 01, 2023, 07:21:49 PM »
Well when Guardiola signed for Man City the notion was he could not sign from Bayern. There are innumerable practices of the principal agreements among football clubs and managers respecting things, but not all brought into public domain.

Emery is a man of great respect and honour, therefore I assume that he agreed to refrain from further interfering with the Villareal football team's season because he could easily tap up and divert players to us.

Since we never signed any, I think Rangers and Gerrard had a similar deal, which prevented us from originally purchasing any of their players for a certain period of time. prior to Rory Wilson.


Please stop making up absolute bollocks.

1) Guardiola's contract had run out at Bayern. He was therefore completely free to do whatever he wanted and buy whoever he wanted.
2) Rangers didn't have any senior players worth buying, but even then we bought Rory Wilson 6 months after Gerrard started. How long do you think these imaginary clauses last exactly?
3) Take Danjuma. Even if one of these fictitious agreements were in place, having agreed to sell him to Everton in the first place, how would it make any sense whatsoever if we offered a better deal to both the club and the player for them not to sell him to us? How would accepting less money from us for a player they'd agreed to sell to somebody else benefit them exactly?


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Re: January Transfer Window - The Verdict.
« Reply #231 on: February 01, 2023, 08:19:13 PM »

There are actually agreements that are made actually and find sometimes that occurs. Makes sense to me don't have to be so dismissive if you don't agree it happened but it can happen and does happen with managers and clubs actually whereby a period of time before you can raid the old club. Goodwill gestures and or financial clauses etc

Have you got any concrete examples of this? It makes no sense whatsoever from either a sporting or a legal perspective.

Iím guessing it didnít happen when we poached Mcleish!

They wouldn't sell us Stern John, the bastards.

Offline Aldridge Villa

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Re: January Transfer Window - The Verdict.
« Reply #232 on: February 01, 2023, 08:39:07 PM »
Not too perturbed about our seemingly lack of activity this window. Only surprise is Cam back out on loan again in light of Ingsís subsequent departure. Hey ho, trust this leaves us more pennies to spend come the summertime once Emery has another few months to further evaluate the raw material at his disposal.

Offline Dante Lavelli

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Re: January Transfer Window - The Verdict.
« Reply #233 on: February 01, 2023, 08:43:05 PM »
can I answer after the next window?

It was either a disaster or a pruning exercise so we grow back better in the summer.

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Re: January Transfer Window - The Verdict.
« Reply #234 on: February 01, 2023, 08:54:52 PM »
Not too perturbed about our seemingly lack of activity this window. Only surprise is Cam back out on loan again in light of Ingsís subsequent departure. Hey ho, trust this leaves us more pennies to spend come the summertime once Emery has another few months to further evaluate the raw material at his disposal.

Your post got me thinking. If we'd have kept either Ings or Archer, the  section of meltdown on here would have been a bit less meltdowney.

Press propaganda and being fooled. Blimey, we're not Everton.

Offline SoccerHQ

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Re: January Transfer Window - The Verdict.
« Reply #235 on: February 01, 2023, 08:58:46 PM »
Iím torn. Whist on the one had it seems ludicrous to let 2 of three centre forwards go, Iím also glad we arenít just buying people for the sake of it.

Iíd have kept Ings , even it wiped a chunk off heís value in the summer. Or even loaned him with a view to buy in the summer ( assuming a recall was  possible )

Maybe Uni can get a tune out of Bert. But really heís more cover for Bailey than a striker.

Hopefully we get lucky with injuries for the next few months

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/bertrand-traore/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/131996

Centre Forward - 76 apps, 39 goals, 11 assists.

He's played a fair few internationals up front as well.

He's not primarily a centre forward, I don't think anyone would suggest otherwise but he's played there enough, and with enough success, to think it's something he is comfortable doing as cover. I think he's here to be competition for both forward roles for 6 months and then it'll be reviewed in the summer, which I'm ok with.

If he can get 4-5 goals and a few assists in that time then he's done his job, and his record suggests that's a pretty reasonable expectation.

I quite like Bert.

Some brilliant goals in 20/21. Everyone remembers the Bristol one and beautiful technique with outside of his foot to score in Smethwick. Also scored a cracker v Man. United.

However he's been injured mostly for last 18 months and 9 games in Turkey isn't great considering they've played 20 games already so feels a bit like relying on Bailey from last season.

Does feel like one of those premier league players who loses his way and then gets picked up by a Villareal for knock down price and turns back into 20-25m player so you do feel if we can get him fit then he'd fit into the style Emery wants given he's pretty much an inside forward cutting inside constantly all the time.

Just wait until Emery sees the first no look volley across our backline in training though!

Offline Footy-Vill

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Re: January Transfer Window - The Verdict.
« Reply #236 on: February 01, 2023, 09:10:00 PM »
"It's going to be very difficult to sign one striker to improve our team . But we are going to try.
Now or in the summer" Unai stated.

I think from this we can say a significant move to the signing in the summer would be a forward as we tried in this window but no avail.
That's a fair conclusion and happy to be patient as Emery has said.

Offline Footy-Vill

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Re: January Transfer Window - The Verdict.
« Reply #237 on: February 01, 2023, 09:12:45 PM »
Regards a specialist winger if we can take either or both Mitoma of Brighton or Alan St Maxi that would give us required ball skills of a player who can go past their man.
They both play wide and are exciting and effective I wouldn't be surprised if we were keeping eyes on players with this sort of ability along with a main line striker.

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Re: January Transfer Window - The Verdict.
« Reply #238 on: February 01, 2023, 09:16:33 PM »
This transfer window judged in isolation will look poor but reserving judgement on it until the start of September to view it in the context of the next window will be an indicator of how good, bad or catastrophic it has been.

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Re: January Transfer Window - The Verdict.
« Reply #239 on: February 01, 2023, 09:22:29 PM »
The choice to have Traore as the back-up striker over Archer is a strange one.
I back Emery.
Big summer needed, again.

 


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