Manchester United vs Aston Villa Post-Match Analysis

[Footy-Vill]

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[Risso]

It’s standard practice for PL managers to play their second keeper in cup games. For Emery who only really has these three games to assess what he might need in January it was pretty much forced on him.

You can get away with it if you've got two players like Kepa and Mendy. He wasn't forced into anything, and evaluating the second choice keeper, who anybody could have told him was shit, wasn't as important as trying to progress in a cup competition.

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[Smithy]

Playing Olsen was a mistake, clearly, but let's not pretend that playing your second-choice keeper in the league cup isn't standard practice for lots of premier league clubs. I'd prefer he hadn't done it, but it's a long way from a "crazy" decision as some are making out.

Emery has always rotated his squad, that much seems clear from the teams he's managed, and he's unlikely to change the way he manages players now.

I don't believe rotation in and of itself was the issue - we went ahead twice against a team that hadn't conceded a goal at home in something like five matches (inc games and against Spurs and Newcastle) - it's just that some of the stand-ins weren't up to much. I have no doubt that Unai will be as aware of that fact as we all are. 

If Olsen plays for us again (barring injuries ahead of him) I'll be stunned.

Despite the awful end result, and the terrible individual errors, there were still lots of positives to take away I think. The build-up play for the first goal was great, the players look quite a bit sharper in midfield, and we scored another two goals.

There is always the FA Cup...

[Risso]

I find it VERY strange that supporters get upset and have a knock at those of us that find it alarming that a man who said a few days ago he wants to win a cup at Aston Villa plays a weakened team away to Man Utd who were there for the taking. Martinez should have been included and with only ONE fixture left before the world cup what did we have to lose (unless they were 'resting' players incase they get injured and could not play for their country )  if so that's a disgrace and a bloody insult to the 8,000 + who spent their money going all the way up there to watch that embarrassing CRAP and a comedy show from the Goalkeeper. Lose Sunday and it's 1 win from 3 and not looking good before the return.

Fans and the club bang on about our illustrious history yet it seems they want to throw away the cups at the first sight . We aren't getting into Europe through the league anytime soon and that's a FACT. We should be going all out in the league cup FFS

You're a fucking boring, miserable, negative prat who only ever comes on here to whinge. Fucking piss off

Whatever you think of him you can't be talking to people on here like that.

[coreyfeldman]

I find it VERY strange that supporters get upset and have a knock at those of us that find it alarming that a man who said a few days ago he wants to win a cup at Aston Villa plays a weakened team away to Man Utd who were there for the taking. Martinez should have been included and with only ONE fixture left before the world cup what did we have to lose (unless they were 'resting' players incase they get injured and could not play for their country )  if so that's a disgrace and a bloody insult to the 8,000 + who spent their money going all the way up there to watch that embarrassing CRAP and a comedy show from the Goalkeeper. Lose Sunday and it's 1 win from 3 and not looking good before the return.

Fans and the club bang on about our illustrious history yet it seems they want to throw away the cups at the first sight . We aren't getting into Europe through the league anytime soon and that's a FACT. We should be going all out in the league cup FFS

You're a fucking boring, miserable, negative prat who only ever comes on here to whinge. Fucking piss off

Whatever you think of him you can't be talking to people on here like that.

Fair enough, apologies all round.

[Chris Smith]

It’s standard practice for PL managers to play their second keeper in cup games. For Emery who only really has these three games to assess what he might need in January it was pretty much forced on him.

You can get away with it if you've got two players like Kepa and Mendy. He wasn't forced into anything, and evaluating the second choice keeper, who anybody could have told him was shit, wasn't as important as trying to progress in a cup competition.

I think it’s legitimate for him to make his own assessment of players but we obviously have a difference of opinion on this that we aren’t going to resolve so no point going back and forth over it.

[LeeB]

I find it VERY strange that supporters get upset and have a knock at those of us that find it alarming that a man who said a few days ago he wants to win a cup at Aston Villa plays a weakened team away to Man Utd who were there for the taking. Martinez should have been included and with only ONE fixture left before the world cup what did we have to lose (unless they were 'resting' players incase they get injured and could not play for their country )  if so that's a disgrace and a bloody insult to the 8,000 + who spent their money going all the way up there to watch that embarrassing CRAP and a comedy show from the Goalkeeper. Lose Sunday and it's 1 win from 3 and not looking good before the return.

Fans and the club bang on about our illustrious history yet it seems they want to throw away the cups at the first sight . We aren't getting into Europe through the league anytime soon and that's a FACT. We should be going all out in the league cup FFS

You're a fucking boring, miserable, negative prat who only ever comes on here to whinge. Fucking piss off

Whatever you think of him you can't be talking to people on here like that.

You're right, but he's fishing for it and should be banned. People do argue and he doesn't respond, buggers off again and only turns up to spout shite.

I'm just all round sick of these sorts of people.

[sid1964]

The sky sports commentators were so desperate for Utd to win, they are just so biased.

The game was 0-0 in the first half and the commentator said "with all the premier league clubs that have now been knocked out of the competition Utd will be desperate to win this trophy"

We are also a premier league club and we also want to win the bloody trophy!!

I then turned the volume down and just watched the game with no commentary.

[LeeB]

It’s standard practice for PL managers to play their second keeper in cup games. For Emery who only really has these three games to assess what he might need in January it was pretty much forced on him.

You can get away with it if you've got two players like Kepa and Mendy. He wasn't forced into anything, and evaluating the second choice keeper, who anybody could have told him was shit, wasn't as important as trying to progress in a cup competition.

I think it’s legitimate for him to make his own assessment of players but we obviously have a difference of opinion on this that we aren’t going to resolve so no point going back and forth over it.

I think it's legitimate too, but I can't say that when I saw the teamsheet with him on my heart didn't sink.

[Risso]

The sky sports commentators were so desperate for Utd to win, they are just so biased.

The game was 0-0 in the first half and the commentator said "with all the premier league clubs that have now been knocked out of the competition Utd will be desperate to win this trophy"

We are also a premier league club and we also want to win the bloody trophy!!

I then turned the volume down and just watched the game with no commentary.

I think picking the side he did showed that it wasn't very high on his list of priorities to be honest.

[Nev]

The sky sports commentators were so desperate for Utd to win, they are just so biased.

The game was 0-0 in the first half and the commentator said "with all the premier league clubs that have now been knocked out of the competition Utd will be desperate to win this trophy"

We are also a premier league club and we also want to win the bloody trophy!!

I then turned the volume down and just watched the game with no commentary.

I did that after 20 mins or so, in almost 50 years of watching football it's the first time I've done it. I can usually stomach Gooman but last night was beyond the pale.

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[LeeB]

The sky sports commentators were so desperate for Utd to win, they are just so biased.

The game was 0-0 in the first half and the commentator said "with all the premier league clubs that have now been knocked out of the competition Utd will be desperate to win this trophy"

We are also a premier league club and we also want to win the bloody trophy!!

I then turned the volume down and just watched the game with no commentary.

I did that after 20 mins or so, in almost 50 years of watching football it's the first time I've done it. I can usually stomach Gooman but last night was beyond the pale.

I usually do it when Andy Hinchcliffe is commentating, which seems to be every bloody game we're on

[wince]

I saw the passion on the match thread before kick of and the usual heat of the moment comments we have all done as we all want villa to win.
Emery put out an awful side and yes, it is on him we lost as much as the players. But we cant let ourselves get too carried away. In principle, fred flintstone was right, we all thought after Brentford we had it nailed only to come crashing down and I feel we were getting a bit too carried away after beating Manure at home, but understandable given 27 years of home defeats to them. But to beat Emery with a stick that he wants to win silverware and not bring home the league cup after 11 days in charge, its delusional given this is a longterm appointment.
Risso brought up a point that the confidence going forward was important but I think many of the team we fielded yesterday are too inconsistent or simply havent had enough time with the new gaffer to make things click. We were never likley to beat manure twice in a week and if we didnt have a league game later this week, we probably would have fielded a full strength squad.
I saw a few posters saying would we rather win a cup or finish 7th-9th and this year I would have liked to do both. However, after stinking the prem out again under Gerrard and the latter days of Smith, we aren't gonna win anything just because we are the mighty Aston Villa, we need to grind out the results, get ourselves stable in the league then push for cups and europe as I dont think we have the quality in the depth of the squad to sustain everything until we give the new regime time to assess, strengthen or ship out players.

This isnt on the fans and here is not representative of all the fanbase but when I read the 1/3 stat that Fred put in his post (yes he can troll but he is entitled to his opinion, however bizarre) it wound me right up because we have become a managerial graveyard and we finally have what we all wanted, a proven coach who isnt a chancer or a punt or a next big thing in the making learning his trade at VP, we just need to give him the time to know his best team.
He isnt immune from criticism, of course he isnt! But give him time to do what he does as he does feel like the real thing and I would rather have a few bumpy starts and consistency as results improve than forever getting the new manager bounce as we lurch from one appointment to the next