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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on November 10, 2022, 10:00:05 PM
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Goodbye, Olsen.
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
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Why didn't we play our strongest 11? Unai said he wants to win a trophy with Aston Villa then starts Olsen?? Absolutely fuming
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Decent performance and a place in the 4th round thrown away by appalling defending and a shit goalkeeper.
Terrible collapse.
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Olsen - fucking awful, when is Jed Steer back? He's a much better keeper
Augustinsson - championship level at best.
McGinn - constantly giving the ball away, please, let's not start him again any time soon.
I thought we were largely ok, especially in the second half, and 4-2 somewhat flattered them.
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In the end, I think Emery sent out the wrong team, but - I get it - he wanted to see other players on the pitch. Kamara, Ramsey, Watkins, Luiz did well; others - meh.
Olsen - pls leave ASAP.
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
That was quick 👏👏👏
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Not impressed overall.
Some players need binning, and unsurprisingly the same old culprits.
What on earth are some of them doing? Slow, dragged out of position, unfit, unable to stand up. Fucking hell.
Fernandes is the ubercunt
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Abysmal first half hour and last half hour.
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Nothing we didnt already know.
Olsen is monumentally shit.
Mings isn't far behind.
Our heads drop as soon as we go behind.
They had about 18 shots, 15 must have come from us fucking about at the back.
I enjoyed it though apart from the last 15 minutes or so.
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Why didn't we play our strongest 11? Unai said he wants to win a trophy with Aston Villa then starts Olsen?? Absolutely fuming
FUMING! ABSOLUTELY FUMING!
Again.
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He was a mistake waiting to happen all night. Ollie couldn't trap a bag of cement.
The left back was totally negative and never made a forward pass all night and Mcginn was...just McGinn. He is done at Villa.
Had he picked a full strength team we win that because United were very poor & ripe for the beating.
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They improved when Erickson came on. McGinn should have been hooked then.
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McGinn & Olsen are embarrassing to watch.
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I'm convinced we win that with a proper starting 11, especially at the back. Not impressed with Unai tonight. He has over a month with most of them to work out if they are good enough, not chucking away our best chance of a trophy. As for Olsen, he's shit, Stevie Wonder knows he's shit, it doesn't take another shambolic first team performance to find out he's shit.
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Hard to take considering how poor United were, but a special mention has to go to Olsen for one of the worst performances I've seen in years. Hopeless, hopeless goalkeeping and a strong feeling that with Emi in sticks we'd be looking forward to a cup run.
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We troubled them, they were rattled. I’m disappointed with the result but when was the last time we really troubled them at old Trafford?
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Why didn't we play our strongest 11? Unai said he wants to win a trophy with Aston Villa then starts Olsen?? Absolutely fuming
Hi bab, missed you. Get up to anything much the weekend?
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A defensive disasterclass second half. Yet again Ollie fluffs his lines with a gilt edged chance to put us 3-2 up. Unai will have learned a lot from tonight. Hopefully anyway. Bye Olsen.
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Where did the idea that we can pass it around the back 3 yards out come from, disaster waiting to happen.
Olsen made some good saves but let himself and the team down with that howler.
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Watkins played well but when put through after brilliant work by Bailey he showed how shit he can really be. Then pretending he was hurt. Tosser!
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We troubled them, they were rattled. I’m disappointed with the result but when was the last time we really troubled them at old Trafford?
Twice last season.
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
Ridiculous.
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Hugely disapppointing last half hour.
Worked ourselves in a really good position at 1-2 up and then we gave away some amateurish goals.
I'm afraid with high lines and constantly passing from the back this defence has mistakes in them when under pressure.
Wouldn't have taken Ramsey off, bit surprised by that as Kamara looked gassed from hour mark and McGinn also faded so think Unai got that wrong.
Bailey was great when he came on. Crucial passage of play was him wriggling away from 3-4 of their players, hitting a lovely pass through and then Ollie comically miscontrols it. They score a minute later.
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We troubled them, they were rattled. I’m disappointed with the result but when was the last time we really troubled them at old Trafford?
We beat them there last season and drew there two seasons before that.
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Oh well, at least we’ll get our chance for revenge when the FA Cup 3rd round draw is made.
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I'm convinced we win that with a proper starting 11, especially at the back. Not impressed with Unai tonight. He has over a month with most of them to work out if they are good enough, not chucking away our best chance of a trophy. As for Olsen, he's shit, Steven Wonder knows he's shit, it doesn't take another shambolic first team performance to find out he's shit.
Convinced? I'm not. We looked terrible when our so called best defenders came on. Mings was an absolute shambles.
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
Are you taking the piss
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I'm convinced we win that with a proper starting 11, especially at the back. Not impressed with Unai tonight. He has over a month with most of them to work out if they are good enough, not chucking away our best chance of a trophy. As for Olsen, he's shit, Steven Wonder knows he's shit, it doesn't take another shambolic first team performance to find out he's shit.
Ridiculously harsh.
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Well he’s seen it for himself now. We are a bottom half team that need coaching and new players.
I’ve no issue with Emery having a look at the whole squad and the same old issues are still there.
Some will improve but there’s quite a few who just aren’t good enough. This will be a long job, there’s no way we were winning this cup or any other this season. If he gets us to 12th then he’ll have done some job.
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Emery can see the job he has on his hands
Both teams diabolical in first half, after their second we were clueless amount of shots allowed through not clearing our lines unbelievable
At least half of those left on the pitch at the end should not be there next season
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Hugely disapppointing last half hour.
Worked ourselves in a really good position at 1-2 up and then we gave away some amateurish goals.
I'm afraid with high lines and constantly passing from the back this defence has mistakes in them when under pressure.
Wouldn't have taken Ramsey off, bit surprised by that as Kamara looked gassed from hour mark and McGinn also faded so think Unai got that wrong.
Bailey was great when he came on. Crucial passage of play was him wriggling away from 3-4 of their players, hitting a lovely pass through and then Ollie comically miscontrols it. They score a minute later.
Well summed up.
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Why didn't we play our strongest 11? Unai said he wants to win a trophy with Aston Villa then starts Olsen?? Absolutely fuming
And you can definitely do one back to Bedrock
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Why didn't we play our strongest 11? Unai said he wants to win a trophy with Aston Villa then starts Olsen?? Absolutely fuming
FUMING! ABSOLUTELY FUMING!
Again.
Fred here could power a ship up the Mississippi.
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
That was quick 👏👏👏
I know, absolutely insane.
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Bar a couple of saves Olsen has been very poor in all the games he has played. We lost possession far too easily tonight and dropped too deep once we went 2-1 up. It seems ManUre weren't happy with the referee from Manchester they were given on Sunday so brought their own tonight and you can now elbow players in the face and stay on to score.
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Disappointed but looking through the Emerys eyes he wants to see the whole squad in game time. The team for Brighton will give an indication of how we move forward. JJ coming off weakened us as did keeping McGinn on.
Last time we will see Olsen, plainly not good enough and really lost us the game. For me beating them on Sunday was far more important.
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We had the game and then we gifted them 3 sloppy goals. Mings arrival was a death knell. He was at his most Mingsian. Olsen isn't anywhere close to standard. Poor throughout.
I also worry about McGinn now. I think he peaked a couple of years ago and he's running out of time now. Constantly poor touch, sloppy passes and cumbersome. I've long loved McGinniesta but I'm afraid he's not good enough.
Disappointed with Chambers. He rarely put a foot wrong last season. Unlucky not to be playing ahead of Mings in fairness for much of this season, even Konsa. Based on today? Maybe not so unlucky. Very poor. Looked every inch a fourth choice. Augustinsson makes Nicky Shorey look like Roberto Carlos.
We did a lot right today. Frustrated them first half. Attacked well up until they went ahead off the back of ridiculous errors. Ramsey was a miss when he went off. Unai will have learned a lot about certain players today. We have to cut our losses with Wesley, probably Ings and buy a decent forward too.
Still, we're winning the FA Cup this season, we could do without this distraction. :-X
Ash played well again.
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
Are you taking the piss
Some of the comments on here tonight have beggared belief.
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Thanks Unai. That’s what you get for picking a couple of Swedish parks players. You need to learn there are cups other than Europa. A proper team tonight would have walked it to 4th round.
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Thought Kamara ran out of puff. McGinn just looks finished - just doesn't bring anything.
The GK and LB should never have been brought in, there really poor - oldish and apparently on big money.
The whole defence seemed to suffer because the GK wouldn't take control of anything, plus we just cant keep the ball for 90% of the time.
I cant see how Ings, McGinn, Olsen, Young or LB can be anything more than squad players.
Annoying - hopefully well do these when we replay them in the FA cup 3rd round
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Why didn't we play our strongest 11? Unai said he wants to win a trophy with Aston Villa then starts Olsen?? Absolutely fuming
Your first posts since Bonfire Night are to comment on a loss. You were clearly abducted by aliens over the weekend as you weren't on here to revel in our new manager's first appearance on the touchline and laud our first home win in 27 years over the Red Divils.
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I'm convinced we win that with a proper starting 11, especially at the back. Not impressed with Unai tonight. He has over a month with most of them to work out if they are good enough, not chucking away our best chance of a trophy. As for Olsen, he's shit, Steven Wonder knows he's shit, it doesn't take another shambolic first team performance to find out he's shit.
Convinced? I'm not. We looked terrible when our so called best defenders came on. Mings was an absolute shambles.
Yep. People going on about the starting 11 but we were reasonably o.k defensively for first hour.
If you're putting on your top CB at 2-1 up there's the expectation he'll organise and make sure the defence don't get caught square from long balls over the top.
Man. United do two more and we're in even more chaotic positions and 3-2 down so I'm afraid Mings didn't do a good job at all.
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In the first half we restricted them well and caught them offside a lot, but it seemed a risky line we were playing. Then in the 2nd half there seemed to be acres of space behind our line and they got past us too often. I was surprised we kept doing that.
We got worse when the subs came on as well. Mings didn't look focused at all and the defence were made even shakier by the keeper. He made.a couple of good saves but then threw in some howlers.
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Bar a couple of saves Olsen has been very poor in all the games he has played. We lost possession far too easily tonight and dropped too deep once we went 2-1 up. It seems ManUre weren't happy with the referee from Manchester they were given on Sunday so brought their own tonight and you can now elbow players in the face and stay on to score.
You can also stamp on players on the floor, avoid a red and get them booked.
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I'm convinced we win that with a proper starting 11, especially at the back. Not impressed with Unai tonight. He has over a month with most of them to work out if they are good enough, not chucking away our best chance of a trophy. As for Olsen, he's shit, Steven Wonder knows he's shit, it doesn't take another shambolic first team performance to find out he's shit.
You must be on the wind up you silly sausage!
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
Spot on! At least Manchester's closer than Moscow.
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
That’s a bit harsh. He did say he wanted to win a cup, but he’s here for over 4 years and there’s a reason why he’s got such a long contract. There’s no way anyone is taking us from where we were/are to cup winners and mid table in 6 months.
This squad is not good enough, nowhere near it. Let’s let him work his magic and build us into a decent team.
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Surely Emery has the ability to watch our previous matches? I'm with PWS, play a proper team tonight and we win that. He brings in Olsen, Chambers, Augustinsson, McGinn and Ings and they were all utterly abysmal.
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
Are you taking the piss
Some of the comments on here tonight have beggared belief.
Yes. How dare we be fed up as we surrender yet another opportunity to push for silverware. I support Emery, but he shouldn't be immune from criticism when he gets it wrong
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I said the players all had a clean slate and the only one who.looks as bad as he was under the previous Manager (apart from Olsen) was McGinn who I would've hooked instead of Ramsey. The defence got noticeably worse when Mings came on but with that keeper it must be hard to have any confidence.
Despite the disappointment of tonight there is much to be optimistic about, play our strongest side on Sunday and we can win.
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McGinn is a worry now and I think his time is up with us. I don’t think he’s cut out for a high tempo one touch passing game. He needs a touch, it slows down the game, then instead of passing it short quickly he has to try his little wiggle and then look for the long pass which then goes astray, or he’s tackled while making up his mind.
It’s hard to be too critical as he’s done wonders for us for a fraction of a cost and been a brilliant character. It’s a shame and I don’t think it’s loss of form either, he’s just not good enough for the type of football we are trying to play.
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
Spot on! At least Manchester's closer than Moscow.
Quite. No need under any circumstances for all those changes. Madness.
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The lessons that Unai, Pako et al hopefully have learned:
- Olsen is shit.
- Chambers is not a good LCB option.
- McGinn does not have the necessary quality.
- Ings is limited, in the modern game where players need to be multi-functional.
- Augustinsson showed why Sweden has not made the World Cup.
- what's the downside in giving Archer some gametime?!!
- Ashley Young is 37, FFS.
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- contrary to my previous comments, Bailey may be a player
- Watkins is worth persevering with, as long as he is played to his strengths
- J Ramsey can thrive
- Kamara is classy ...
- ... as is Luiz
- I wouldn't be averse to Mings going elsewhere
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Well, if nothing else Emery will hopefully have seen that one or two players simply aren't up to it.
Olsen, Ings, and McGinn all want binning asap.
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We look so much better going forward all of a sudden. The midfielders played their part in that good build up play as well but they didn’t half give the ball away a lot, all of them really but particularly Kamara and McGinn. Then there was the defence and GK, they just ran through the centre backs, Mings was all over the place but I suppose it can be difficult as a CB coming on during the game. Olsen was fucking awful.
A mention for Young though who had a really good game again before he came off.
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We don't have a "strongest eleven". Martínez aside, the rest of them have been inconsistent and in & out of the team. I don't think Cash playing instead of Augustinsson makes any difference. McGinn was always likely to come in with Dendoncker cup-tied. Ramsey and Luiz are in form, and Kamara is meant to be the most talented of the lot so none of that was a surprise.
Olsen has had three baptisms of fire - at the Etihad, St James' Park and tonight. Feel sorry for the fecker...clearly not up to it, but we haven't exactly eased him in - did he even play at Bolton in the last round?
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Hopefully Emery has got this sort of silly tinkering out of his system before the FA Cup in January.
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I think Archer must have pissed in Emery's shoes.
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Lol, no, fuck off. GM's are on the piss take xD
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
Spot on! At least Manchester's closer than Moscow.
It's his 2nd game in charge FFS . I think we are all disappointed , but l'd like to think we'd give him more than 2 games before we bury him.
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Watkins played well but when put through after brilliant work by Bailey he showed how shit he can really be. Then pretending he was hurt. Tosser!
Hopefully after the World Cup we'll sign a proper striker. For all his running it's been obvious all year he's a very poor player.
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Anyone watching the post match comments from the impartial commentators? An absolute Man U wankfest. Their comments are as bad as our goalkeeper.
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If Martinez played we would have won that.
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Scoring two at Old Trafford and still losing, you've either had a defensive nightmare or been hit with a case of dodgy ref. In this instance, we had the misfortune to field a statue in goal.
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Watkins played well but when put through after brilliant work by Bailey he showed how shit he can really be. Then pretending he was hurt. Tosser!
Hopefully after the World Cup we'll sign a proper striker. For all his running it's been obvious all year he's a very poor player.
I'd still rather have him than Ings, who plays like Darren Bent after several rounds of chemo.
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Watkins played well but when put through after brilliant work by Bailey he showed how shit he can really be. Then pretending he was hurt. Tosser!
Hopefully after the World Cup we'll sign a proper striker. For all his running it's been obvious all year he's a very poor player.
Simply too many moves break down with Ollie. For that move a good striker gets the ball out of his feet quickly, gets half a yard on defender and gets a shot away.
Ollie was injured/gassed, comically lost the ball and they scored a minute later.
He should've gone off but Ings seemingly can't manage more than an hour before he has to crawl off the pitch.
Its incredible Archer has played so little this season.
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Surely Emery has the ability to watch our previous matches? I'm with PWS, play a proper team tonight and we win that. He brings in Olsen, Chambers, Augustinsson, McGinn and Ings and they were all utterly abysmal.
I’m sure he has watched them but he needs to know if they can play under him with his tactics and coaching. We’d have no squad left if he’d watched them under Gerrard.
The truth is, we’ve made some terrible signings yet again and he’s got to pick up a squad lacking in depth, quality and with the mental scars of 12 horrendous months. It’s a massive job.
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Tonight showed up all the players that don't fit Emery's style. If you haven't got pace, you're strolling to the job club, mate.
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
Spot on! At least Manchester's closer than Moscow.
It's his 2nd game in charge FFS . I think we are all disappointed , but l'd like to think we'd give him more than 2 games before we bury him.
Nobody's burying him, but it was obvious from the start that that line up was a load of shite. Anybody from here could have told him for free how shit Olsen is. Every other player who came in tonight, ie Olsen, Chambers, McGinn, Augustinsson and Ings were completely rubbish. It's one of the worst "shaking up" of a side I've seen. He's got one more match then a month off, just play the players who played well at the weekend, it's not rocket science. There's a whole bloody month to work with the other players and arrange friendlies etc.
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I'm convinced we win that with a proper starting 11, especially at the back. Not impressed with Unai tonight. He has over a month with most of them to work out if they are good enough, not chucking away our best chance of a trophy. As for Olsen, he's shit, Steven Wonder knows he's shit, it doesn't take another shambolic first team performance to find out he's shit.
You must be on the wind up you silly sausage!
Why. They were shit. They put out a worse 11 tonight than they did on Sunday and our best 11 beat them comfortably. We were poor defensively with possession but they were too shit to do anything first half. Only person that picked that side is the manager. I'd be saying the same if it was Gerrard so i'm not gonna be a hypocrite and not say the same about a manager I like. And Olsen is staggeringly shit. And it's easily the best chance we'll have to win a trophy this season considering it was for a place in the last 16 with a bunch of the Sky favourites already out.
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Well, if nothing else Emery will hopefully have seen that one or two players simply aren't up to it.
Olsen, Ings, and McGinn all want binning asap.
Yeah those 3 would be my immediate match day sqauds to be moved on.
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Bailey beats half of their team and passes it to fifty pence foot with a predictable outcome. Very frustrating.
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
Holy cow - you couldn’t make it up
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Think the problem is the short turnaround to Brighton game. We're still far from clear of bottom 3 so need to be picking something up so that's why a few got rested.
I'm surprised so many changes though considering there isn't extra time anymore.
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Surely Emery has the ability to watch our previous matches? I'm with PWS, play a proper team tonight and we win that. He brings in Olsen, Chambers, Augustinsson, McGinn and Ings and they were all utterly abysmal.
I’m sure he has watched them but he needs to know if they can play under him with his tactics and coaching. We’d have no squad left if he’d watched them under Gerrard.
The truth is, we’ve made some terrible signings yet again and he’s got to pick up a squad lacking in depth, quality and with the mental scars of 12 horrendous months. It’s a massive job.
Plus he's been here a week, played the same opponent (who were/are in decent nick despite us making them look bang average) and we break for six weeks this coming Sunday. It's slightly early to be moving towards 'jury's out for me, Clive,' territory
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They were there for the taking again which is the most disappointing thing.
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Pretty poor - hopefully a lesson learned.
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We play some decent stuff until we go behind and then it's a massive collective dropping of heads. We yet again had nothing as soon as they took the lead, it's like we feel sorry for ourselves. That mentality has to change.
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
That’s a bit harsh. He did say he wanted to win a cup, but he’s here for over 4 years and there’s a reason why he’s got such a long contract. There’s no way anyone is taking us from where we were/are to cup winners and mid table in 6 months.
This squad is not good enough, nowhere near it. Let’s let him work his magic and build us into a decent team.
That doesn't mean we should turn our noses up at winning something just because we're "waiting until we're ready" Football doesn't work like that. Sorry, but he's let us down tonight.
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Tough on Mings to come into the game at the point United were upping the pace and Rashford moved into the middle, but he looked casual and unfocused.
Emery needs to install some composure and resilience into the side. We really go to pieces away from home when under pressure. We are still far too vulnerable after scoring - 19 seconds after our first goal is ridiculous.
I have to watch us play it around at the back through my fingers. I am sure he will target better ball playing centre halves as a priority.
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I think Olsen shook the confidence of all the defence - and dinge was brilliant at this weekend, and the stand in leftback is just not good enough.
As others said Kamara dead after an hour.
McGinn and Ings are I just don't see how they fit into our future.
We got too drawn into a basketball match with them I think.
Waiting to be gutted at seeing the soft draw they get now
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Olsen, bye. By tonight preferred
McGinn, shot to pieces.
Left back loanee, bye.
Mings, not too sure tonight was best night to play him after WC squad announced,
Ings, no longer prem standard, bye.
Watkins, just fuck off. Bailey must have been livid at that divot. Chance to go 3-2 up, he does that and Man utd score in less than a minute
Lots of work required and would be overjoyed with 45 points this year.
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Gutted, at 2-1 I thought we’d hold on. Ridiculous goal to make it 3-2 and we were never coming back. Emery now knows what’s required, which players need moving on, which players to build a squad around. Not many on there tonight will make the cut
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
Spot on! At least Manchester's closer than Moscow.
It's his 2nd game in charge FFS . I think we are all disappointed , but l'd like to think we'd give him more than 2 games before we bury him.
Nobody's burying him, but it was obvious from the start that that line up was a load of shite. Anybody from here could have told him for free how shit Olsen is. Every other player who came in tonight, ie Olsen, Chambers, McGinn, Augustinsson and Ings were completely rubbish. It's one of the worst "shaking up" of a side I've seen. He's got one more match then a month off, just play the players who played well at the weekend, it's not rocket science. There's a whole bloody month to work with the other players and arrange friendlies etc.
He needs to see it for himself though. Olsen we all know isn't a solid backup . McGinn might flourish under a new manager ( I doubt it personally ) . I'm pissed off we've missed out on a golden opportunity , but trust Emery to take us forward.
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If anyone thinks we aren't going to go through games like this over the next 12 months then they are rather naive. The big difference is that after 12 months and heavy investment we hadn't made any progress under the previous manager, he wasn't called out straight away and neither should the new boss.
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It is important that Emery saw what we had in the locker in a competitive match before the World Cup break and the transfer window. What he learnt tonight will prove more valuable in the long term than progressing in a cup that Man City will probably win again.
The next two transfer windows should be very busy.
Patience, tis a virtue.
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Dendoncker was cup tied, so that was an enforced change, and sticking Ash in for Cash would have been fair enough. But Olsen for Martinez? Absolutely no need for that whatsoever, it was stupid and has cost us the match.
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
That’s a bit harsh. He did say he wanted to win a cup, but he’s here for over 4 years and there’s a reason why he’s got such a long contract. There’s no way anyone is taking us from where we were/are to cup winners and mid table in 6 months.
This squad is not good enough, nowhere near it. Let’s let him work his magic and build us into a decent team.
That doesn't mean we should turn our noses up at winning something just because we're "waiting until we're ready" Football doesn't work like that. Sorry, but he's let us down tonight.
Ridiculous comments. If he’d played a full strength team and we pick up injuries today or Sunday and/or get beaten Sunday because the team is nackered you’d probably jump to hyperbole then too and say he’s let us down.
Were United there for the taking. Yes. Are we disappointed we didn’t do that. Yes. But to say Emery has let us down is a touch over the top
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Surely Emery has the ability to watch our previous matches? I'm with PWS, play a proper team tonight and we win that. He brings in Olsen, Chambers, Augustinsson, McGinn and Ings and they were all utterly abysmal.
I’m sure he has watched them but he needs to know if they can play under him with his tactics and coaching. We’d have no squad left if he’d watched them under Gerrard.
The truth is, we’ve made some terrible signings yet again and he’s got to pick up a squad lacking in depth, quality and with the mental scars of 12 horrendous months. It’s a massive job.
Plus he's been here a week, played the same opponent (who were/are in decent nick despite us making them look bang average) and we break for six weeks this coming Sunday. It's slightly early to be moving towards 'jury's out for me, Clive,' territory
5 goals in 2 games agianst a team that that had conceded 2 in the previous 8. Our defence was poor in the 2nd half tonight, in no small part because Olsen was both poor and, crucially, wasn't doing the 'sweeper keeper' bit that Martinez did on Sunday. Once they realised they didn't need to race him to the long balls through they gave themselves an extra yard or 2 and used their pace to turn us around. Lesson learned, we can't play a high line with Olsen in, if he gets another chance.
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5-5 over two legs. We won on the away goals rule. Who we got in the next round?
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Surely Emery has the ability to watch our previous matches? I'm with PWS, play a proper team tonight and we win that. He brings in Olsen, Chambers, Augustinsson, McGinn and Ings and they were all utterly abysmal.
I’m sure he has watched them but he needs to know if they can play under him with his tactics and coaching. We’d have no squad left if he’d watched them under Gerrard.
The truth is, we’ve made some terrible signings yet again and he’s got to pick up a squad lacking in depth, quality and with the mental scars of 12 horrendous months. It’s a massive job.
Plus he's been here a week, played the same opponent (who were/are in decent nick despite us making them look bang average) and we break for six weeks this coming Sunday. It's slightly early to be moving towards 'jury's out for me, Clive,' territory
The jury is definitely out on the recruitment side of the club. You can see he’s coaching them and we have a plan and yes, we’ve improved. To expect him to make decisions on who we keep from a video is ridiculous. Let’s not run before we can walk.
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We troubled them, they were rattled. I’m disappointed with the result but when was the last time we really troubled them at old Trafford?
Does beating them *checks notes* last season count?
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Dendoncker was cup tied, so that was an enforced change, and sticking Ash in for Cash would have been fair enough. But Olsen for Martinez? Absolutely no need for that whatsoever, it was stupid and has cost us the match.
It's just something many managers do these days, Villareal won the europa with their second choice.
Last season we had Steer in goal at Chelsea and that cost us in the penalty shoot out.
Was Nyland our cup keeper in 19/20? Can't remember if Heaton played any games before his injury.
Hopefully Emi starts in FA cup 3rd round if we're playing someone decent at least. He's said he wants to win stuff with us so might aswell give him the opportunity.
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I'm another who thinks he made a mistake tonight. We were on a high after Sunday, why not try and keep that going with the team that performed so well? The replacements for the starting XI aren't anywhere near as good in many cases and it has cost us tonight.
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Let's hope we're a bit more on point when we inevitably visit them in the 3rd round of the FA cup.
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
That’s a bit harsh. He did say he wanted to win a cup, but he’s here for over 4 years and there’s a reason why he’s got such a long contract. There’s no way anyone is taking us from where we were/are to cup winners and mid table in 6 months.
This squad is not good enough, nowhere near it. Let’s let him work his magic and build us into a decent team.
That doesn't mean we should turn our noses up at winning something just because we're "waiting until we're ready" Football doesn't work like that. Sorry, but he's let us down tonight.
When he said he’d like to win something I’m sure he meant it but everyone piled in on that assuming it would be this season. We’ve all seen this squad capitulate many times and he needs to see them in the flesh. He’s not let us down because this time last week we were sinking faster than the titanic. He’s righted us a bit and now knows what he’s got in the squad. At last we have a proven coach so I trust him to get things right.
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Buendia ran to the changing room as soon as whistle followed by Chambers.
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
Spot on! At least Manchester's closer than Moscow.
It's his 2nd game in charge FFS . I think we are all disappointed , but l'd like to think we'd give him more than 2 games before we bury him.
Who’s burying him? He’s undoubtedly a top manager but he dropped a few bollocks tonight.
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We troubled them, they were rattled. I’m disappointed with the result but when was the last time we really troubled them at old Trafford?
Does beating them *checks notes* last season count?
😂
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Buendia ran to the changing room as soon as whistle followed by Chambers.
Probably needed a piss.
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What the fuck is wrong with managers….?
This is on our manager.
Unai picked an absolute stinker of a team and formation.
The high of Sunday is matched by the low of tonight.
Unai REALLY fucked up tonight.
So pissed off.
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Of course they've got a home tie against a second tier team next. We'd have had Liverpool away, with Man City away as a boss level bonus round if we had somehow got through.
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Tonight showed up all the players that don't fit Emery's style. If you haven't got pace, you're strolling to the job club, mate.
No……he changed the winning formation from Sunday
It was bloody obvious the team AND formation was rubbish he picked tonight.
No excuses given only one match on Sunday before 5 weeks.
Unai you really screwed up. Inexcusable
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Not playing Martinez didn't make sense, not sure how Olsen has managed to get 62 caps, not good enough, nevertheless, plenty of positives tonight, looking forward to Sunday.
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Is it possible our defence were so shit because they had no confidence in the clown between the sticks?
Olsen has been shit every time he has been involved in a game.
McGinn was awful.
Augustus Gloop or whatever the fuck his name is was shit.
Chambers was shit.
Konsa was shit.
And I am Tyrone Mings’ biggest fan, but tonight highlighted why he isn’t going to the World Cup.
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What the fuck is wrong with managers….?
This is on our manager.
Unai picked an absolute stinker of a team and formation.
The high of Sunday is matched by the low of tonight.
Unai REALLY fucked up tonight.
So pissed off.
If the players chosen tonight aren't good enough to play at this level then the outcome is that they should never step onto the pitch in our colours again. Emery has given them an opportunity to show their worth, they failed. Olsen, McGinn and Ings were utterly anonymous tonight and I will happily wave them goodbye in January. At what point Olsen realises that, as a 'keeper, he is allowed to actually catch the ball might be the tipping point for his career. Ings did a remarkably good impression of McGinn and vice versa. Disappointing result, however if lessons have been learnt then that might be for the best on the long term, out of the Milk Cup being preferable to relegation.
If Emery isn't allowed to test his squad at the highest levels then he will not know their capabilities. Let's just hope he has learned what he needs to about his resevres.
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
Are you taking the piss
Some of the comments on here tonight have beggared belief.
No he right. Unai picked a Gerrard team formation
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What the fuck is wrong with managers….?
This is on our manager.
Unai picked an absolute stinker of a team and formation.
The high of Sunday is matched by the low of tonight.
Unai REALLY fucked up tonight.
So pissed off.
If the players chosen tonight aren't good enough to play at this level then the outcome is that they should never step onto the pitch in our colours again. Emery has given them an opportunity to show their worth, they failed. Olsen, McGinn and Ings were utterly anonymous tonight and I will happily wave them goodbye in January. At what point Olsen realises that, as a 'keeper, he is allowed to actually catch the ball might be the tipping point for his career. Ings did a remarkably good impression of McGinn and vice versa. Disappointing result, however if lessons have been learnt then that might be for the best on the long term, out of the Milk Cup being preferable to relegation.
If Emery isn't allowed to test his squad at the highest levels then he will not know their capabilities. Let's just hope he has learned what he needs to about his resevres.
You don’t test a winning team with a 5/6 week break window.
He should have played Sunday’s team.
Not playing Martinez was criminal. Worse was not bringing him on.
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Chambers was dire
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I'm convinced we win that with a proper starting 11, especially at the back. Not impressed with Unai tonight. He has over a month with most of them to work out if they are good enough, not chucking away our best chance of a trophy. As for Olsen, he's shit, Steven Wonder knows he's shit, it doesn't take another shambolic first team performance to find out he's shit.
You must be on the wind up you silly sausage!
Why. They were shit. They put out a worse 11 tonight than they did on Sunday and our best 11 beat them comfortably. We were poor defensively with possession but they were too shit to do anything first half. Only person that picked that side is the manager. I'd be saying the same if it was Gerrard so i'm not gonna be a hypocrite and not say the same about a manager I like. And Olsen is staggeringly shit. And it's easily the best chance we'll have to win a trophy this season considering it was for a place in the last 16 with a bunch of the Sky favourites already out.
Absolutely not taking that post at face value!
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I think Olsen has now overtaken Gollini and makes it on the bench for my worst ever Villa team.
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I'm another who thinks he made a mistake tonight. We were on a high after Sunday, why not try and keep that going with the team that performed so well? The replacements for the starting XI aren't anywhere near as good in many cases and it has cost us tonight.
It so bloody obvious from 7pm when the team was announced
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I thought it was a great game second half.
Even though I only saw it as I wandered through bars of my local reading out pub quiz questions.
Olsen was weird…made some saves and also big fuck ups. He’s very worrying.
A cup run and win would be lovely, but 3 points against Brighton is so important I can see why players were rested.
If we were on just 18 now instead of 15, I bet the line up would have been different…that slight difference.
But that’s obviously only my take on things. And I’m wrong most of the time (except for music, political allegiance, and music and music).
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I'm convinced we win that with a proper starting 11, especially at the back. Not impressed with Unai tonight. He has over a month with most of them to work out if they are good enough, not chucking away our best chance of a trophy. As for Olsen, he's shit, Steven Wonder knows he's shit, it doesn't take another shambolic first team performance to find out he's shit.
You must be on the wind up you silly sausage!
Why. They were shit. They put out a worse 11 tonight than they did on Sunday and our best 11 beat them comfortably. We were poor defensively with possession but they were too shit to do anything first half. Only person that picked that side is the manager. I'd be saying the same if it was Gerrard so i'm not gonna be a hypocrite and not say the same about a manager I like. And Olsen is staggeringly shit. And it's easily the best chance we'll have to win a trophy this season considering it was for a place in the last 16 with a bunch of the Sky favourites already out.
Absolutely not taking that post at face value!
Why? He is 100% right
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If anyone thinks we aren't going to go through games like this over the next 12 months then they are rather naive. The big difference is that after 12 months and heavy investment we hadn't made any progress under the previous manager, he wasn't called out straight away and neither should the new boss.
Agreed, Nev.
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Is it possible our defence were so shit because they had no confidence in the clown between the sticks?
Olsen has been shit every time he has been involved in a game.
McGinn was awful.
Augustus Gloop or whatever the fuck his name is was shit.
Chambers was shit.
Konsa was shit.
And I am Tyrone Mings’ biggest fan, but tonight highlighted why he isn’t going to the World Cup.
Agree with every word. Not a single defender at Villa will be in the first team in 18 months. We will rebuild and get stronger but tonight showed all the frailties that we have and I am so pleased we have a Manager who will see this for himself. Unusually, even Chambers was shit tonight as well and I have no idea what is happening to Konsa.
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PWS is absolutely spot on. One of Man City and Liverpool definitely out in the next round, and Man U now have a relatively straightforward home game against a Championship club.
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
Are you taking the piss
Some of the comments on here tonight have beggared belief.
No he right. Unai picked a Gerrard team formation
The starting 11 he's being slated for went in at half time 0-0. We were pretty much at full strength when the collapse happened. Our new manager has a 4 year contract and is being paid a lot of money to sort it out. It's going to be a bumpy road ahead but he needs time. Crucially he needs to look at his squad in competitive matches before he starts the rebuild. Rome wasn't built in a day.
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Already caning the manager nine days and two games into his appointment. Four days ago we beat these c*nts comfortably at home in the league for the first time since 1995. Criticism of team selection at this point is thoroughly and utterly mental.
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Already caning the manager nine days and two games into his appointment. Four days ago we beat these c*nts comfortably at home in the league for the first time since 1995. Criticism of team selection at this point is thoroughly and utterly mental.
Yes it is, considering he's still getting to know then. You learn more from defeats than you do from winning. Tonight will have taught him a lot. This is not 'no plan B' Gerrard.
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Already caning the manager nine days and two games into his appointment. Four days ago we beat these c*nts comfortably at home in the league for the first time since 1995. Criticism of team selection at this point is thoroughly and utterly mental.
Couldn't agree more.
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Young has been consistently one of our best performers of the season. Digne is returning from injury. Bailey has had serious injury problems for 12 months. McGinn is our "captain". Olsen Probably had cup fixtures in his contract, if not the gaffer needed to know if he is worth having on the bench. Ings is a £20m striker that needed to show if he is worth retaining. Those questions are now answered. I don't expect to see those players in a Villa shirt again, barring injury. I'd rather be out of the cup and still in the PL. Without tarring him withh the same brush Buendia isn't consistently performing. How is the manager expected to know his squad without seeing them play? Sack the manager? How many times do you need to change the man at the top before you realise that the boots on the ground are the problem? I think there are issues in the dressing room that need addressing, namely McGinn...
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
Are you taking the piss
Some of the comments on here tonight have beggared belief.
No he right. Unai picked a Gerrard team formation
The starting 11 he's being slated for went in at half time 0-0. We were pretty much at full strength when the collapse happened. Our new manager has a 4 year contract and is being paid a lot of money to sort it out. It's going to be a bumpy road ahead but he needs time. Crucially he needs to look at his squad in competitive matches before he starts the rebuild. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Had he started with Sunday’s team which was way way different to tonight’s team - then we would have won tonight.
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Considering Olsen was on the bench v Bolton I think we can safely say he doesn't have that in his contract.
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If he had started with Sunday's team we wouldn't have gone through even if we had won six-nil.
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Already caning the manager nine days and two games into his appointment. Four days ago we beat these c*nts comfortably at home in the league for the first time since 1995. Criticism of team selection at this point is thoroughly and utterly mental.
Couldn't agree more.
You cane a manager when they screw up and we go out of a cup unnecessarily
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I'm not too sure about everyone else but I thought a bit of shithousing after our first goal would have been wise. It was a bit like a Palace away, where we didn't concentrate and let them straight back in it. Looking back, there wasnt a great deal wrong and it was a hopefully a huge learning curve for Unai.
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If he has started with Sunday's team we wouldn't have gone through even if we had won six-nil.
Why?
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What the fuck is wrong with managers….?
This is on our manager.
Unai picked an absolute stinker of a team and formation.
The high of Sunday is matched by the low of tonight.
Unai REALLY fucked up tonight.
So pissed off.
If the players chosen tonight aren't good enough to play at this level then the outcome is that they should never step onto the pitch in our colours again. Emery has given them an opportunity to show their worth, they failed. Olsen, McGinn and Ings were utterly anonymous tonight and I will happily wave them goodbye in January. At what point Olsen realises that, as a 'keeper, he is allowed to actually catch the ball might be the tipping point for his career. Ings did a remarkably good impression of McGinn and vice versa. Disappointing result, however if lessons have been learnt then that might be for the best on the long term, out of the Milk Cup being preferable to relegation.
If Emery isn't allowed to test his squad at the highest levels then he will not know their capabilities. Let's just hope he has learned what he needs to about his resevres.
You don’t test a winning team with a 5/6 week break window.
He should have played Sunday’s team.
Not playing Martinez was criminal. Worse was not bringing him on.
He couldn’t play Sundays team. Dendoncker was cup tied. Add to that Cash still only a few games after an injury, Digne only 1 game back and Bailey taken off as a precaution. Buendia ran himself into the ground only a few days ago and he struggles to complete 90. Another game on Sunday put us at a huge disadvantage but this is purely down to the squad not being good enough and the fitness levels not being up to scratch. Brighton made changes last night and won and we took the lead twice tonight. Didn’t the team have confidence after beating Brentford 4-0? and we all know what happened at Newcastle the game after.
The damage done during Gerrard’s reign has been massive but even during Smith’s last few months the signs were there. Emery has to manage a fragile, weak squad until January and that’s what he’s done. Poor result and annoying but I can understand why he did what he did tonight.
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If he has started with Sunday's team we wouldn't have gone through even if we had won six-nil.
Why?
Because Dendoncker is cup tied.
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If he had started with Sunday's team we wouldn't have gone through even if we had won six-nil.
Why?
Because Dendoncker was ineligible.
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
Are you taking the piss
Some of the comments on here tonight have beggared belief.
No he right. Unai picked a Gerrard team formation
The starting 11 he's being slated for went in at half time 0-0. We were pretty much at full strength when the collapse happened. Our new manager has a 4 year contract and is being paid a lot of money to sort it out. It's going to be a bumpy road ahead but he needs time. Crucially he needs to look at his squad in competitive matches before he starts the rebuild. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Had he started with Sunday’s team which was way way different to tonight’s team - then we would have won tonight.
You can't possibly know that. And how is he going to decide who to keep and who not to without giving them a game? What do you suggest? Try them all in a PL game? We absolutely can not afford to drop points in the league. Every club has a look at fringe players in Cup game. Even Man City do it.
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Already caning the manager nine days and two games into his appointment. Four days ago we beat these c*nts comfortably at home in the league for the first time since 1995. Criticism of team selection at this point is thoroughly and utterly mental.
Couldn't agree more.
You cane a manager when they screw up and we go out of a cup unnecessarily
After two games? Utterly ridiculous.
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I did think he made too many subs.
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What the fuck is wrong with managers….?
This is on our manager.
Unai picked an absolute stinker of a team and formation.
The high of Sunday is matched by the low of tonight.
Unai REALLY fucked up tonight.
So pissed off.
If the players chosen tonight aren't good enough to play at this level then the outcome is that they should never step onto the pitch in our colours again. Emery has given them an opportunity to show their worth, they failed. Olsen, McGinn and Ings were utterly anonymous tonight and I will happily wave them goodbye in January. At what point Olsen realises that, as a 'keeper, he is allowed to actually catch the ball might be the tipping point for his career. Ings did a remarkably good impression of McGinn and vice versa. Disappointing result, however if lessons have been learnt then that might be for the best on the long term, out of the Milk Cup being preferable to relegation.
If Emery isn't allowed to test his squad at the highest levels then he will not know their capabilities. Let's just hope he has learned what he needs to about his resevres.
sensible analysis
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Nothing we didnt already know.
Olsen is monumentally shit.
Mings isn't far behind.
Our heads drop as soon as we go behind.
They had about 18 shots, 15 must have come from us fucking about at the back.
I enjoyed it though apart from the last 15 minutes or so.
Think if your listing players I'm astounded how you don't find McGinn , who was carried all game , the worst outfield offender and clearly unusuited to play the Emery way.
Mings was a sub so why picking on him before McGinn? Why?
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
Ridiculous.
Completely agree. Delusional opinion and makes us look like absolute entitled throbbers
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I did think he made too many subs.
Get use to it. He'll do a lot of changes every match.
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I think Unai will be successful But he really picked a bad start line up.
He brought on the right subs. But didn’t take off the right players tonight.
Anyhow. I think truly we will beat Liverpool on Boxing Day big style!!!!
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
Are you taking the piss
Some of the comments on here tonight have beggared belief.
No he right. Unai picked a Gerrard team formation
The starting 11 he's being slated for went in at half time 0-0. We were pretty much at full strength when the collapse happened. Our new manager has a 4 year contract and is being paid a lot of money to sort it out. It's going to be a bumpy road ahead but he needs time. Crucially he needs to look at his squad in competitive matches before he starts the rebuild. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Had he started with Sunday’s team which was way way different to tonight’s team - then we would have won tonight.
With respect, Tony, you can't possibly say that definitively.
It's a game away to Man Utd, a game we wouldn't often expect to win and I think it's the brilliance of Sunday that has caused such a deep sense of disappointment. Perhaps we all got a little carried away.
If we had played the same XI as Sunday, then lost to Brighton, people would've been slating him for not rotating and saying our position dictates that the league should be our top priority.
Not great. Frustrating. But not a Bradford-style fuck-up either.
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I presume Coutinho's non appearance even on the bench tonight means he's definitely done?
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I did think he made too many subs.
Get use to it. He'll do a lot of changes every match.
Do you still think he should have played Olsen?
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I presume Coutinho's non appearance even on the bench tonight means he's definitely done?
He's injured, out until after the World Cup.
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I presume Coutinho's non appearance even on the bench tonight means he's definitely done?
If by done you mean out injured until Christmas as was announced at the start of the week then yes.
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The starting 11 was horrendous I couldn’t believe what I was seeing
apart from the fact half the team weren’t good enough and there was no creativity, for a manager that apparently likes to counter attack that must be the slowest starting line up in Villa’s history
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I presume Coutinho's non appearance even on the bench tonight means he's definitely done?
If by done you mean out injured until Christmas as was announced at the start of the week then yes.
Ah. Missed that.
Carry on...
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If I was the manager I wouldn’t have swapped Emi for Olsen, because I know how bad Olsen is. Playing him is like giving the opposition a 2-goal start. He is worse than Nyland, and verging on Kalinic territory. Hopefully Emery now realises that he can’t be relied upon. It’s just a shame that it cost us our place in the cup.
A problem for us is that without European football we don’t play enough games to justify having a strong back-up GK. Teams playing in 4-competitions can afford to play their back-up in the lesser competitions. It would almost be better to get rid of Olsen and have a back-up who was content not to play unless Emi is unavailable. We can only play 50 games even if we reach the finals of both cups. Ederson has played nearly that many games for each of the last two seasons, so I don’t see the point in rotating. If you don’t progress in the cup, the potential fatigue that your first choice might experience is all academic anyway.
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Young has been consistently one of our best performers of the season. Digne is returning from injury. Bailey has had serious injury problems for 12 months. McGinn is our "captain". Olsen Probably had cup fixtures in his contract, if not the gaffer needed to know if he is worth having on the bench. Ings is a £20m striker that needed to show if he is worth retaining. Those questions are now answered. I don't expect to see those players in a Villa shirt again, barring injury. I'd rather be out of the cup and still in the PL. Without tarring him withh the same brush Buendia isn't consistently performing. How is the manager expected to know his squad without seeing them play? Sack the manager? How many times do you need to change the man at the top before you realise that the boots on the ground are the problem? I think there are issues in the dressing room that need addressing, namely McGinn...
Some people are posting as if a single person has said “sack the manager”.
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I did think he made too many subs.
Get use to it. He'll do a lot of changes every match.
Can't wait. Five a game, every game please! It's the modern way and we want a squad that can compete.
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
Are you taking the piss
Some of the comments on here tonight have beggared belief.
No he right. Unai picked a Gerrard team formation
The starting 11 he's being slated for went in at half time 0-0. We were pretty much at full strength when the collapse happened. Our new manager has a 4 year contract and is being paid a lot of money to sort it out. It's going to be a bumpy road ahead but he needs time. Crucially he needs to look at his squad in competitive matches before he starts the rebuild. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Had he started with Sunday’s team which was way way different to tonight’s team - then we would have won tonight.
With respect, Tony, you can't possibly say that definitively.
It's a game away to Man Utd, a game we wouldn't often expect to win and I think it's the brilliance of Sunday that has caused such a deep sense of disappointment. Perhaps we all got a little carried away.
If we had played the same XI as Sunday, then lost to Brighton, people would've been slating him for not rotating and saying our position dictates that the league should be our top priority.
Not great. Frustrating. But not a Bradford-style fuck-up either.
Rory. True. But you cannot deny that if we started tonight with the same team and a high motivated team ( great team that created more space and move we have seen for years). -that we would have EASILY won tonight
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As I said before I’m
More interested in the league than the cup runs. New gaffer was hero on Sunday and now a villain for rotating the squad. All bit irrational and reactionary for my taste. Cup runs can come when we are established as solid in the league.
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The starting 11 was horrendous I couldn’t believe what I was seeing
apart from the fact half the team weren’t good enough and there was no creativity, for a manager that apparently likes to counter attack that must be the slowest starting line up in Villa’s history
100%
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Already caning the manager nine days and two games into his appointment. Four days ago we beat these c*nts comfortably at home in the league for the first time since 1995. Criticism of team selection at this point is thoroughly and utterly mental.
No. Caning a manager for needlessly discarding a cup competition that represents an opportunity for us to go far in - a week after he sat there and told us winning a trophy was important to him.
Sunday was brilliant, but totally irrelevant in this in the context of tonight.
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As I said before I’m
More interested in the league than the cup runs. New gaffer was hero on Sunday and now a villain for rotating the squad. All bit irrational and reactionary for my taste. Cup runs can come when we are established as solid in the league.
Doing well and progressing in the cups can breed confidence to take into league games. Now after a confidence boosting win at the weekend, the team has taken another battering, and you could read between the lines from from the Watkins interview that it's not a happy camp tonight.
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
Are you taking the piss
Some of the comments on here tonight have beggared belief.
No he right. Unai picked a Gerrard team formation
The starting 11 he's being slated for went in at half time 0-0. We were pretty much at full strength when the collapse happened. Our new manager has a 4 year contract and is being paid a lot of money to sort it out. It's going to be a bumpy road ahead but he needs time. Crucially he needs to look at his squad in competitive matches before he starts the rebuild. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Had he started with Sunday’s team which was way way different to tonight’s team - then we would have won tonight.
With respect, Tony, you can't possibly say that definitively.
It's a game away to Man Utd, a game we wouldn't often expect to win and I think it's the brilliance of Sunday that has caused such a deep sense of disappointment. Perhaps we all got a little carried away.
If we had played the same XI as Sunday, then lost to Brighton, people would've been slating him for not rotating and saying our position dictates that the league should be our top priority.
Not great. Frustrating. But not a Bradford-style fuck-up either.
Rory. True. But you cannot deny that if we started tonight with the same team and a high motivated team ( great team that created more space and move we have seen for years). -that we would have EASILY won tonight
I think that's a reach. It probably would've made us more likely to win, yes, but every game is different. We might've won, we might've lost 6-0.
Not defending the starting XI tonight. Ultimately we lost, so it was the wrong team, but some of the reactions are a bit strong, I think, and verge on assuming that if we played our best team then a game at Old Trafford is a 'gimme'.
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If I was the manager I wouldn’t have swapped Emi for Olsen, because I know how bad Olsen is. Playing him is like giving the opposition a 2-goal start. He is worse than Nyland, and verging on Kalinic territory. Hopefully Emery now realises that he can’t be relied upon. It’s just a shame that it cost us our place in the cup.
A problem for us is that without European football we don’t play enough games to justify having a strong back-up GK. Teams playing in 4-competitions can afford to play their back-up in the lesser competitions. It would almost be better to get rid of Olsen and have a back-up who was content not to play unless Emi is unavailable. We can only play 50 games even if we reach the finals of both cups. Ederson has played nearly that many games for each of the last two seasons, so I don’t see the point in rotating. If you don’t progress in the cup, the potential fatigue that your first choice might experience is all academic anyway.
The problem there is that if your keeper picks up a long-term injury you're at risk of dropping lots of points unti lthe next window. Having 2 good keepers is reliant on the 2nd choice knowing he has guaranteed gametime in cups. The decision to play Olsen tonight isn't the problem, the problem is that he's a liability one the evidence so far.
As much as I'm annoyed to have gone out and think Olsen was shit tonight I'm not agianst him being handed the rope as he was. Yes it's cost us a place in the cup but, in our circumstances, I'm willing to accept that for this season if it helps Emery work out which of the fringe players he can trust.
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Thought we played well overall and Dougie, Kamara and Ollie looked lively.
Defensively though we looked hapless and the introduction of Mings really created an axis of incompetence with Olsen already on the field.
Frustrating. MOTM Luiz for me.
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As I said before I’m
More interested in the league than the cup runs. New gaffer was hero on Sunday and now a villain for rotating the squad. All bit irrational and reactionary for my taste. Cup runs can come when we are established as solid in the league.
Doing well and progressing in the cups can breed confidence to take into league games. Now after a confidence boosting win at the weekend, the team has taken another battering, and you could read between the lines from from the Watkins interview that it's not a happy camp tonight.
I should hope it’s not a happy camp, they’ve just lost. But hopefully our new manager has the man management skills and experience to convince our fragile players that it wasn’t a “battering” (coz it wasn’t), and concentrate on the many positives to prepare them for the game on Sunday.
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Can't believe that Peter Schmeichel (goalkeeping legend?) on Sky actually said, and I quote, 'Olsen had a really good game tonight' and that he was 'calm' throughout the game apart from his mistake. Which match was he watching do you think?
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They had 18 shots, and should probably have had another 2-3 goals.
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Can't believe that Peter Schmeichel (goalkeeping legend?) on Sky actually said, and I quote, 'Olsen had a really good game tonight' and that he was 'calm' throughout the game apart from his mistake. Which match was he watching do you think?
Must the exclusive goalkeepers club talking surely. He was the absolute antithesis of 'calm'.
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I'm convinced we win that with a proper starting 11, especially at the back. Not impressed with Unai tonight. He has over a month with most of them to work out if they are good enough, not chucking away our best chance of a trophy. As for Olsen, he's shit, Steven Wonder knows he's shit, it doesn't take another shambolic first team performance to find out he's shit.
Convinced? I'm not. We looked terrible when our so called best defenders came on. Mings was an absolute shambles.
I could see from the first few minutes that the defence had no confidence in the goalkeeper. That affected the performance of all of the defence. Is Steer fit if there is a next time that Martinez is unavailable or rested?
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Copybook 0-1 Blot
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Already caning the manager nine days and two games into his appointment. Four days ago we beat these c*nts comfortably at home in the league for the first time since 1995. Criticism of team selection at this point is thoroughly and utterly mental.
No. Caning a manager for needlessly discarding a cup competition that represents an opportunity for us to go far in - a week after he sat there and told us winning a trophy was important to him.
Sunday was brilliant, but totally irrelevant in this in the context of tonight.
It didn't occur to you that he wants to bring silverware within the next four years to a club that hasn't won any in 26 years? You don't think it is a bit OTT to think we should win it in season one and bea them twice in the one week when we have beat them four times in 27 years?
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
Are you taking the piss
Some of the comments on here tonight have beggared belief.
Yes. How dare we be fed up as we surrender yet another opportunity to push for silverware. I support Emery, but he shouldn't be immune from criticism when he gets it wrong
2 games. New levels of….i dont even know what
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We had the game and then we gifted them 3 sloppy goals. Mings arrival was a death knell. He was at his most Mingsian. Olsen isn't anywhere close to standard. Poor throughout.
I also worry about McGinn now. I think he peaked a couple of years ago and he's running out of time now. Constantly poor touch, sloppy passes and cumbersome. I've long loved McGinniesta but I'm afraid he's not good enough.
Disappointed with Chambers. He rarely put a foot wrong last season. Unlucky not to be playing ahead of Mings in fairness for much of this season, even Konsa. Based on today? Maybe not so unlucky. Very poor. Looked every inch a fourth choice. Augustinsson makes Nicky Shorey look like Roberto Carlos.
We did a lot right today. Frustrated them first half. Attacked well up until they went ahead off the back of ridiculous errors. Ramsey was a miss when he went off. Unai will have learned a lot about certain players today. We have to cut our losses with Wesley, probably Ings and buy a decent forward too.
Still, we're winning the FA Cup this season, we could do without this distraction. :-X
Ash played well again.
Brilliant summary supertom!
Says it all for me.
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
Are you taking the piss
Some of the comments on here tonight have beggared belief.
Yes. How dare we be fed up as we surrender yet another opportunity to push for silverware. I support Emery, but he shouldn't be immune from criticism when he gets it wrong
2 games. New levels of….i dont even know what
Jesus, it’s a thread about one of those two games. I think Emery’s a brilliant manager. Will that do?
On to tonight’s game: he fucked up.
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
Are you taking the piss
Some of the comments on here tonight have beggared belief.
Yes. How dare we be fed up as we surrender yet another opportunity to push for silverware. I support Emery, but he shouldn't be immune from criticism when he gets it wrong
2 games. New levels of….i dont even know what
Jesus, it’s a thread about one of those two games. I think Emery’s a brilliant manager. Will that do?
On to tonight’s game: he fucked up.
He wanted to look at most of his squad in competitive football matches as quickly as possible. Perfectly acceptable. Was i disappointed driving up to Manchester to hear Olsen and McGinn in particular were playing, yes of course. Do i think the manager fucked up, not really. The goalie hugely fucked for the 3rd goal, i thought he could of done a lot more for the fourth. We weren’t outplayed though, despite all the changes and the scoreline flattered them.
People have the right to criticise of course, but after the misery of the Gerrard year, some perspective is needed. Its going to be a very long few years if every time Emery tries things there is this much of a wobble.
Im disappointed were out, but im also glad the manager should have a much clearer idea about the strengths and weaknesses of his squad. The weaknesses are fairly obvious (although i dont see the criticism of Mings tonight), there were some real positives as well. I thought Luiz and Kamara played really well, Ramsey was really good and those three in Emerys system could be fantastic. Bailey looked great when he came on, Beundia ok and whilst Ollie messed up the chance to go 3-2 up, how about he took his goal brilliantly.
I got home at 1.30am after 2 hours just getting away from Manchester, even so struggling to sleep, so maybe irritable, but find some of the criticism in the context of Emerys second game, well OTT.
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Only one person to blame for that tonight and that's Emery. Said he wanted to win a trophy, yet blatantly surrenders his first opportunity to do so with an utterly ridiculous team selection against a United side there for the taking.
Are you taking the piss
Some of the comments on here tonight have beggared belief.
Yes. How dare we be fed up as we surrender yet another opportunity to push for silverware. I support Emery, but he shouldn't be immune from criticism when he gets it wrong
2 games. New levels of….i dont even know what
Jesus, it’s a thread about one of those two games. I think Emery’s a brilliant manager. Will that do?
On to tonight’s game: he fucked up.
He wanted to look at most of his squad in competitive football matches as quickly as possible. Perfectly acceptable. Was i disappointed driving up to Manchester to hear Olsen and McGinn in particular were playing, yes of course. Do i think the manager fucked up, not really. The goalie hugely fucked for the 3rd goal, i thought he could of done a lot more for the fourth. We weren’t outplayed though, despite all the changes and the scoreline flattered them.
People have the right to criticise of course, but after the misery of the Gerrard year, some perspective is needed. Its going to be a very long few years if every time Emery tries things there is this much of a wobble.
Im disappointed were out, but im also glad the manager should have a much clearer idea about the strengths and weaknesses of his squad. The weaknesses are fairly obvious (although i dont see the criticism of Mings tonight), there were some real positives as well. I thought Luiz and Kamara played really well, Ramsey was really good and those three in Emerys system could be fantastic. Bailey looked great when he came on, Beundia ok and whilst Ollie messed up the chance to go 3-2 up, how about he took his goal brilliantly.
I got home at 1.30am after 2 hours just getting away from Manchester, even so struggling to sleep, so maybe irritable, but find some of the criticism in the context of Emerys second game, well OTT.
Agreed. Big picture.
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We had the game and then we gifted them 3 sloppy goals. Mings arrival was a death knell. He was at his most Mingsian. Olsen isn't anywhere close to standard. Poor throughout.
I also worry about McGinn now. I think he peaked a couple of years ago and he's running out of time now. Constantly poor touch, sloppy passes and cumbersome. I've long loved McGinniesta but I'm afraid he's not good enough.
Disappointed with Chambers. He rarely put a foot wrong last season. Unlucky not to be playing ahead of Mings in fairness for much of this season, even Konsa. Based on today? Maybe not so unlucky. Very poor. Looked every inch a fourth choice. Augustinsson makes Nicky Shorey look like Roberto Carlos.
We did a lot right today. Frustrated them first half. Attacked well up until they went ahead off the back of ridiculous errors. Ramsey was a miss when he went off. Unai will have learned a lot about certain players today. We have to cut our losses with Wesley, probably Ings and buy a decent forward too.
Still, we're winning the FA Cup this season, we could do without this distraction. :-X
Ash played well again.
Brilliant summary supertom!
Says it all for me.
Yep suns it up for me too. Players are trying to play the way the manager wants to play and it’s inevitable some won’t make the cut. Better he knows now with a window approaching than persevering with shoe-horning, which will never work. Sure it’s a lost opportunity as the margins were so fine last night but to sacrifice the LC to get the team sorted is ok by me for this season
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Mings looked slow to move and react, thought his inclusion weakend the defence, don't understand those knocking Emery, even though it wasn't the result we wanted I could still see the differences in playing style. Give him a few games at least.
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We really need to be patient here.
Emery really is a long- term appointment, this is going to take time.
Yes, very disappointing that we are out of LC and agree that we threw it away in that last 15 minutes.
Emery has only been in the job for ten days and he is doing his best to assess our whole squad of players.
He will have seen that some will not be here in the long term and expect our owners to support him in the coming transfer windows.
We only have one game now before the World Cup, a tough one too at Brighton which Emery said after tonight that it was very important.
I'm sure we will be set up to be more solid at the back and hopefully give them a good game.
It looks like we only may have 3 players going to WC so Emery will use this time to further assess what he has to work with.
I'm feeling positive about the second half of the season.
UTV
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Very frustrating, but understandable why he picked the team he did. Just a shame with how the draw has worked out too.
Let’s hope he learnt a lot from last night.
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Took me a ridiculous amount of time to get home considering Bury is on the same tram route as Old Trafford.
There were some positives last night but ultimately that is another cup match against them that got away when we could easily have won.
Can't add much to what has been said regarding the weak links. Their time is up. However, two games in ti Emery's reign and there are some real positives. After the weekend he's got the World Cup break to weave his magic. I fully expect that come Christmas we'll be a team not conceding so readily on our travels.
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Olsen? Awful. Cost us at least two goals, as well as limited our options when playing out from the back. It’s hard enough to do but when you have a keeper who can make the option but impossible when the keeper hasn’t a clue what the right option is, let alone take it. As a fundamental of goalkeeping I would have thought using your hands was part of it.
From such a poor performance by a keeper, your back four have one more thing to think about. Not just playing their man, positioning and looking for the best ball in their triangle, but what is that twat behind us doing and where can I play it that doesn’t involve him.
Chambers lack of pace exposed for the first. They targeted him more as the game went on. To be outpaced by that cheat is criminal.
We lost shape as we chased the game. It happens. However, we really shouldn’t have been chasing the game.
McGinn, I think will be moved on. Hasn’t been much for a year or so now.
There were some positives. Watkins, Bailey. Kamara with 90 minutes in his legs and Luiz working well with him. JJ looked the part again.
Emery will undoubtedly use this to work out what’s needed to move us forward.
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Ashley Young was superb again last night. What a player he is. I loved the way he talks to Ramsey and helps him. he’s such an asset to our younger players.
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Watching the game back, the defence was all over the place at times.
Having Olsen in goal didn't help anyone. A professional footballer, my arse. Absolutely atrocious.
As for Mings, fucking hell. Surely a senior pro should have come on and steadied the ship. Also atrocious.
Both need a good telling off for that shite. Like the chuckle brothers. They weren't alone of course, and there were some nice performances from other players, but fucking hell. Midfield is so poor at times, with Luiz and McGinn giving the ball away, not being able to pass even three yards. It's really poor.
Anyway, up the Villa
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I was disappointed with the line-up, disappointed that we threw away the lead in 60 seconds like pub players, disappointed that Olsen played like my nan during a game of Twister on Boxing Day, disappointed that we folded at the end but after a good night's sleep, the game is in the past.
I do, however, expect a dismantling of Brighton away in compensation. And the FA Cup 2023.
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The performance last night reminded me of that film title "the good, the bad and the ugly"
In the 2nd half we could not cope with their pace up front (Rashford and the winger, who I cannot remember his name)
To concede the equaliser 19 seconds after they kicked off is unforgiveable.
Emery will have learned a lot about his squad (i would imagine that next summer there will be a fair few looking for new clubs)
I am surprised that Mings is allowed to chew gum whilst playing (health and safety), lets hope he is never knocked unconscious
Hopefully Sunday will see a better performance, but Brighton are currently playing very well
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How the fuck is it even possible to go 0-1 up and then 19 seconds later you have 2 attackers through on your goal? That high line was suicidal.
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It would've been better to find out another way, but I'm pretty sure Emery has found out a lot about this squad.
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It would've been better to find out another way, but I'm pretty sure Emery has found out a lot about this squad.
Let’s hope it doesn’t take him a year in charge to realise though that some players are not up to it.
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I was watching with a few friends and so didn’t really tune into the tactics properly as we were chatting.
I think Emery wanted a look at the wider squad, which is understandable. I think what he will have found out is that while he can put out a decent first 11 as he saw at the weekend, he has no depth of quality. Hopefully he widens the quality in the squad and ships out some of those who aren’t up to it.
I feel like it’s time to call it a day with Olsen, McGinn, Watkins and Ings for a start. But shipping out players isn’t easy particularly when they’re on good money and probably need to drop down a level.
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I find it VERY strange that supporters get upset and have a knock at those of us that find it alarming that a man who said a few days ago he wants to win a cup at Aston Villa plays a weakened team away to Man Utd who were there for the taking. Martinez should have been included and with only ONE fixture left before the world cup what did we have to lose (unless they were 'resting' players incase they get injured and could not play for their country ) if so that's a disgrace and a bloody insult to the 8,000 + who spent their money going all the way up there to watch that embarrassing CRAP and a comedy show from the Goalkeeper. Lose Sunday and it's 1 win from 3 and not looking good before the return.
Fans and the club bang on about our illustrious history yet it seems they want to throw away the cups at the first sight . We aren't getting into Europe through the league anytime soon and that's a FACT. We should be going all out in the league cup FFS
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I understand resting some players when we have another important game in a few days.
I dont understand why the keeper needs to be rested.
I understand giving instruction to play out from the back.
I don’t understand not reversing that instruction when it is obvious from the first half that the keeper is incapable of doing that safely.
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I find it VERY strange that supporters get upset and have a knock at those of us that find it alarming that a man who said a few days ago he wants to win a cup at Aston
What did you think of Emery's team and tactics at Villa Park on Saturday? Were you happy with the win over Manchester United?
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I think picking Olsen and McGinn was understandable if wrong. For me, the biggest deadweight is Ings. Archer would have been better.
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I find it VERY strange that supporters get upset and have a knock at those of us that find it alarming that a man who said a few days ago he wants to win a cup at Aston Villa plays a weakened team away to Man Utd who were there for the taking. Martinez should have been included and with only ONE fixture left before the world cup what did we have to lose (unless they were 'resting' players incase they get injured and could not play for their country ) if so that's a disgrace and a bloody insult to the 8,000 + who spent their money going all the way up there to watch that embarrassing CRAP and a comedy show from the Goalkeeper. Lose Sunday and it's 1 win from 3 and not looking good before the return.
Fans and the club bang on about our illustrious history yet it seems they want to throw away the cups at the first sight . We aren't getting into Europe through the league anytime soon and that's a FACT. We should be going all out in the league cup FFS
Piss off you troll, you don't deserve to be debated with. You clearly only turn up when things aren't going well, you post in bad faith and try and wind people up.
There's enough of this in the world as it us with having this fine forum sullied.
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I think picking Olsen and McGinn was understandable if wrong. For me, the biggest deadweight is Ings. Archer would have been better.
He’s a proven finisher but seems to do so little outside the box.
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I find it VERY strange that supporters get upset and have a knock at those of us that find it alarming that a man who said a few days ago he wants to win a cup at Aston Villa plays a weakened team away to Man Utd who were there for the taking. Martinez should have been included and with only ONE fixture left before the world cup what did we have to lose (unless they were 'resting' players incase they get injured and could not play for their country ) if so that's a disgrace and a bloody insult to the 8,000 + who spent their money going all the way up there to watch that embarrassing CRAP and a comedy show from the Goalkeeper. Lose Sunday and it's 1 win from 3 and not looking good before the return.
Fans and the club bang on about our illustrious history yet it seems they want to throw away the cups at the first sight . We aren't getting into Europe through the league anytime soon and that's a FACT. We should be going all out in the league cup FFS
I’ll have a knock at expectations from 10 days a win over manure and us not winning anything then suddenly we are gonna win the cup as being out of step with reality.
What is a FACT is this is a forum where opinions differ yet you seem to constantly be on the wind up.
I will restate my opinion. I’m not happy we lost but would rather stay up and push for a cup next season after allowing emery to build his squad and tactics than to go all out in a cup run then get relegated. To think is fans don’t want to win a cup......
It’s fans like you and the 1 win in three nonsense that deserve calling out as it’s delusional. He has been here 11 days.
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I have no real problem with the team that he picked. It's understandable that he wants to view the whole squad in real games rather than just on the training pitch.
He will have learned a hell of a lot last night, and will know exactly who can and will play, and who he'll cut loose.
Olsen was awful - 3rd choice keeper once at Sheffield Utd and nowhere near the level of a back up. McGinn was far and away the worst outfield player and should be moved on to a championship team in January. I felt a little for Ings because he is a proven goal scorer but we created nothing in that first half, saying that Archer should have started so Emery could see him in action. Same for Sanson.
We could have won this game with the players that started 0-1 and 1-2 but threw it away with some comical defending and keeping.
I didn't think this was a winnable cup this season and the Brighton game is far more important because we are still in a relegation battle.
However, January can't come soon enough.
We have a quality manager who will put this right but not without changes and certainly not in 7 days.
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I find it VERY strange that supporters get upset and have a knock at those of us that find it alarming that a man who said a few days ago he wants to win a cup at Aston Villa plays a weakened team away to Man Utd who were there for the taking. Martinez should have been included and with only ONE fixture left before the world cup what did we have to lose (unless they were 'resting' players incase they get injured and could not play for their country ) if so that's a disgrace and a bloody insult to the 8,000 + who spent their money going all the way up there to watch that embarrassing CRAP and a comedy show from the Goalkeeper. Lose Sunday and it's 1 win from 3 and not looking good before the return.
Fans and the club bang on about our illustrious history yet it seems they want to throw away the cups at the first sight . We aren't getting into Europe through the league anytime soon and that's a FACT. We should be going all out in the league cup FFS
Piss off you troll, you don't deserve to be debated with. You clearly only turn up when things aren't going well, you post in bad faith and try and wind people up.
There's enough of this in the world as it us with having this fine forum sullied.
He's a parody of that SilhillVilla fella who used to post on here
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He picked the team he did for a reason. Of course he would love to go on and win the competition but the bigger picture is he has to assess the squad and make judgements before he can expect the owners to shell out millions on replacements. He's now in a better position to tell the owners the state of the squad. Even if he did go with his best 11 there's no guarantees of a win and a risk of injuries. His brief will be to make sure of our PL status at all costs. We're perilously close to the relegation zone and that really must be his priority.
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I find it VERY strange that supporters get upset and have a knock at those of us that find it alarming that a man who said a few days ago he wants to win a cup at Aston Villa plays a weakened team away to Man Utd who were there for the taking. Martinez should have been included and with only ONE fixture left before the world cup what did we have to lose (unless they were 'resting' players incase they get injured and could not play for their country ) if so that's a disgrace and a bloody insult to the 8,000 + who spent their money going all the way up there to watch that embarrassing CRAP and a comedy show from the Goalkeeper. Lose Sunday and it's 1 win from 3 and not looking good before the return.
Fans and the club bang on about our illustrious history yet it seems they want to throw away the cups at the first sight . We aren't getting into Europe through the league anytime soon and that's a FACT. We should be going all out in the league cup FFS
You're a fucking boring, miserable, negative prat who only ever comes on here to whinge. Fucking piss off
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I find it VERY strange that supporters get upset and have a knock at those of us that find it alarming that a man who said a few days ago he wants to win a cup at Aston Villa plays a weakened team away to Man Utd who were there for the taking. Martinez should have been included and with only ONE fixture left before the world cup what did we have to lose (unless they were 'resting' players incase they get injured and could not play for their country ) if so that's a disgrace and a bloody insult to the 8,000 + who spent their money going all the way up there to watch that embarrassing CRAP and a comedy show from the Goalkeeper. Lose Sunday and it's 1 win from 3 and not looking good before the return.
Fans and the club bang on about our illustrious history yet it seems they want to throw away the cups at the first sight . We aren't getting into Europe through the league anytime soon and that's a FACT. We should be going all out in the league cup FFS
Piss off you troll, you don't deserve to be debated with. You clearly only turn up when things aren't going well, you post in bad faith and try and wind people up.
There's enough of this in the world as it us with having this fine forum sullied.
He's a parody of that SilhillVilla fella who used to post on here
He's very good at it also.
But probably needs another hobby.
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Only saw the goals this morning but Mings was shocking for three of them and the hologram behind him obviously causing chaos too. Lovely dinked finish by Ollie for the first, a surprise! Even with the team selection to be ahead twice in the second half at Old Trafford and not force even penalties is very disappointing.
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Just either ignore or block him. I blocked someone on here a while back and it's well worth doing, trust me. Wilma will be next on the block list, he's just a troll.
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I can understand wanting to see some more of the squad play, but not changing the goalie. It's quite possible and indeed likely that you can go a whole year without your replacement goalie ever being called on, so it's not as important to get match time into him. All he had to do was ask Danks or MacPhee for an honest appraisal of Olsen's performances to date, and they'd surely have told him that he's absolutely fucking atroious at every facet of the game. It was a stupid mistake, hope he learns from it.
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Just either ignore or block him. I blocked someone on here a while back and it's well worth doing, trust me. Wilma will be next on the block list, he's just a troll.
Actually didn't realise you could do that sp thanks for the tip
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I was called all these things before and was proven right. If Gerrard put that team out there would be meltdown on here.
Yes, Sunday was great but so was Brentford under Danks then those same players went up to Newcastle and fell apart. If you want to get carried away over beating Man Utd at home that's fine but we've seen it time and time again.
We shouldn't be playing a weakened team away at Man U in the cup at the same time talking about winning the bloody thing and being in Europe.
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Just either ignore or block him. I blocked someone on here a while back and it's well worth doing, trust me. Wilma will be next on the block list, he's just a troll.
Actually didn't realise you could do that sp thanks for the tip
Can't accept other opinions regarding our team?very strange.
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Clampy. How do you do that? I can’t see the option. There’s a couple I tend to scroll through so would save time.
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Already caning the manager nine days and two games into his appointment. Four days ago we beat these c*nts comfortably at home in the league for the first time since 1995. Criticism of team selection at this point is thoroughly and utterly mental.
No. Caning a manager for needlessly discarding a cup competition that represents an opportunity for us to go far in - a week after he sat there and told us winning a trophy was important to him.
Sunday was brilliant, but totally irrelevant in this in the context of tonight.
It didn't occur to you that he wants to bring silverware within the next four years to a club that hasn't won any in 26 years? You don't think it is a bit OTT to think we should win it in season one and bea them twice in the one week when we have beat them four times in 27 years?
I've not said I expected us to win silverware this season. I've said I expect us to "make an attempt" to win something. We've had a long string of managers in recent years who've treated both cup competitions with contempt. I support Emery 100%, but he got that wrong last night.
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Enjoyed the trip away and the pre-match drink in the Quadrant. Villa fans created a great atmosphere at very old (decrepit) trafford. Their fans are weird and what's with shoving their vocal support (not that they could be heard) up into a corner like they're visiting supporters.
The changes especially in defence worried me pre-game. That said we more than held our own for 75+ minutes and besides Emery needed to see the players he's inherited in competitive action. They had a purple patch towards the end to which we had no answer. It happens...we had ours against them last Sunday to which they had no answer. Scoring 2 goals against that lot last night was only 1 off our total number of away pl goals this season, so Emery has improved us already as an attacking force on our travels.
I didn't see enough from the likes of Ings, McGinn, Olsen (62 international caps...they must have shit keepers in Sweden), Chambers and Ludwig to think they'll be starting many games. anytime soon.
Trip home was painless, glad overall I made the trip.
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I can understand wanting to see some more of the squad play, but not changing the goalie. It's quite possible and indeed likely that you can go a whole year without your replacement goalie ever being called on, so it's not as important to get match time into him. All he had to do was ask Danks or MacPhee for an honest appraisal of Olsen's performances to date, and they'd surely have told him that he's absolutely fucking atroious at every facet of the game. It was a stupid mistake, hope he learns from it.
It’s standard practice for PL managers to play their second keeper in cup games. For Emery who only really has these three games to assess what he might need in January it was pretty much forced on him.
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Just either ignore or block him. I blocked someone on here a while back and it's well worth doing, trust me. Wilma will be next on the block list, he's just a troll.
Actually didn't realise you could do that sp thanks for the tip
Can't accept other opinions regarding our team?very strange.
Not from a troll like you, you're not worth the hassle.
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He picked the team he did for a reason. Of course he would love to go on and win the competition but the bigger picture is he has to assess the squad and make judgements before he can expect the owners to shell out millions on replacements. He's now in a better position to tell the owners the state of the squad. Even if he did go with his best 11 there's no guarantees of a win and a risk of injuries. His brief will be to make sure of our PL status at all costs. We're perilously close to the relegation zone and that really must be his priority.
I can see that point, but I'm still a little disappointed with the team that started last night. It doesn't mean that I think Unai Emery is a bad manager or he isn't going to do well at the club, it's just that I didn't agree with his approach last night.
It's not just him that fields teams like that in the cups though and I think it's one of the areas where there is a disconnect between some fans and managers.
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I was called all these things before and was proven right. If Gerrard put that team out there would be meltdown on here.
Yes, Sunday was great but so was Brentford under Danks then those same players went up to Newcastle and fell apart. If you want to get carried away over beating Man Utd at home that's fine but we've seen it time and time again.
We shouldn't be playing a weakened team away at Man U in the cup at the same time talking about winning the bloody thing and being in Europe.
You're right. He should have risked playing all of our first team a couple of days before a VITAL Premier league game. Obviously that would of guaranteed victory and with only Man City, Liverpool and Newcastle left in the competition we would have definitely gone on to win the cup. He has had several training sessions with them so why would he need to have a look at them in a competitive match? If he's any good he would know they're not good enough just by using his spidey senses. He's had a whole two weeks with them now. It's a massive failiure not winning the LC in his first season.
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I can't remember now, haha.
Can someone else help Mark block the troll? Thanks.
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It’s standard practice for PL managers to play their second keeper in cup games. For Emery who only really has these three games to assess what he might need in January it was pretty much forced on him.
You can get away with it if you've got two players like Kepa and Mendy. He wasn't forced into anything, and evaluating the second choice keeper, who anybody could have told him was shit, wasn't as important as trying to progress in a cup competition.
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Playing Olsen was a mistake, clearly, but let's not pretend that playing your second-choice keeper in the league cup isn't standard practice for lots of premier league clubs. I'd prefer he hadn't done it, but it's a long way from a "crazy" decision as some are making out.
Emery has always rotated his squad, that much seems clear from the teams he's managed, and he's unlikely to change the way he manages players now.
I don't believe rotation in and of itself was the issue - we went ahead twice against a team that hadn't conceded a goal at home in something like five matches (inc games and against Spurs and Newcastle) - it's just that some of the stand-ins weren't up to much. I have no doubt that Unai will be as aware of that fact as we all are.
If Olsen plays for us again (barring injuries ahead of him) I'll be stunned.
Despite the awful end result, and the terrible individual errors, there were still lots of positives to take away I think. The build-up play for the first goal was great, the players look quite a bit sharper in midfield, and we scored another two goals.
There is always the FA Cup...
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I find it VERY strange that supporters get upset and have a knock at those of us that find it alarming that a man who said a few days ago he wants to win a cup at Aston Villa plays a weakened team away to Man Utd who were there for the taking. Martinez should have been included and with only ONE fixture left before the world cup what did we have to lose (unless they were 'resting' players incase they get injured and could not play for their country ) if so that's a disgrace and a bloody insult to the 8,000 + who spent their money going all the way up there to watch that embarrassing CRAP and a comedy show from the Goalkeeper. Lose Sunday and it's 1 win from 3 and not looking good before the return.
Fans and the club bang on about our illustrious history yet it seems they want to throw away the cups at the first sight . We aren't getting into Europe through the league anytime soon and that's a FACT. We should be going all out in the league cup FFS
You're a fucking boring, miserable, negative prat who only ever comes on here to whinge. Fucking piss off
Whatever you think of him you can't be talking to people on here like that.
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I find it VERY strange that supporters get upset and have a knock at those of us that find it alarming that a man who said a few days ago he wants to win a cup at Aston Villa plays a weakened team away to Man Utd who were there for the taking. Martinez should have been included and with only ONE fixture left before the world cup what did we have to lose (unless they were 'resting' players incase they get injured and could not play for their country ) if so that's a disgrace and a bloody insult to the 8,000 + who spent their money going all the way up there to watch that embarrassing CRAP and a comedy show from the Goalkeeper. Lose Sunday and it's 1 win from 3 and not looking good before the return.
Fans and the club bang on about our illustrious history yet it seems they want to throw away the cups at the first sight . We aren't getting into Europe through the league anytime soon and that's a FACT. We should be going all out in the league cup FFS
You're a fucking boring, miserable, negative prat who only ever comes on here to whinge. Fucking piss off
Whatever you think of him you can't be talking to people on here like that.
Fair enough, apologies all round.
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It’s standard practice for PL managers to play their second keeper in cup games. For Emery who only really has these three games to assess what he might need in January it was pretty much forced on him.
You can get away with it if you've got two players like Kepa and Mendy. He wasn't forced into anything, and evaluating the second choice keeper, who anybody could have told him was shit, wasn't as important as trying to progress in a cup competition.
I think it’s legitimate for him to make his own assessment of players but we obviously have a difference of opinion on this that we aren’t going to resolve so no point going back and forth over it.
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I find it VERY strange that supporters get upset and have a knock at those of us that find it alarming that a man who said a few days ago he wants to win a cup at Aston Villa plays a weakened team away to Man Utd who were there for the taking. Martinez should have been included and with only ONE fixture left before the world cup what did we have to lose (unless they were 'resting' players incase they get injured and could not play for their country ) if so that's a disgrace and a bloody insult to the 8,000 + who spent their money going all the way up there to watch that embarrassing CRAP and a comedy show from the Goalkeeper. Lose Sunday and it's 1 win from 3 and not looking good before the return.
Fans and the club bang on about our illustrious history yet it seems they want to throw away the cups at the first sight . We aren't getting into Europe through the league anytime soon and that's a FACT. We should be going all out in the league cup FFS
You're a fucking boring, miserable, negative prat who only ever comes on here to whinge. Fucking piss off
Whatever you think of him you can't be talking to people on here like that.
You're right, but he's fishing for it and should be banned. People do argue and he doesn't respond, buggers off again and only turns up to spout shite.
I'm just all round sick of these sorts of people.
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The sky sports commentators were so desperate for Utd to win, they are just so biased.
The game was 0-0 in the first half and the commentator said "with all the premier league clubs that have now been knocked out of the competition Utd will be desperate to win this trophy"
We are also a premier league club and we also want to win the bloody trophy!!
I then turned the volume down and just watched the game with no commentary.
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It’s standard practice for PL managers to play their second keeper in cup games. For Emery who only really has these three games to assess what he might need in January it was pretty much forced on him.
You can get away with it if you've got two players like Kepa and Mendy. He wasn't forced into anything, and evaluating the second choice keeper, who anybody could have told him was shit, wasn't as important as trying to progress in a cup competition.
I think it’s legitimate for him to make his own assessment of players but we obviously have a difference of opinion on this that we aren’t going to resolve so no point going back and forth over it.
I think it's legitimate too, but I can't say that when I saw the teamsheet with him on my heart didn't sink.
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The sky sports commentators were so desperate for Utd to win, they are just so biased.
The game was 0-0 in the first half and the commentator said "with all the premier league clubs that have now been knocked out of the competition Utd will be desperate to win this trophy"
We are also a premier league club and we also want to win the bloody trophy!!
I then turned the volume down and just watched the game with no commentary.
I think picking the side he did showed that it wasn't very high on his list of priorities to be honest.
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The sky sports commentators were so desperate for Utd to win, they are just so biased.
The game was 0-0 in the first half and the commentator said "with all the premier league clubs that have now been knocked out of the competition Utd will be desperate to win this trophy"
We are also a premier league club and we also want to win the bloody trophy!!
I then turned the volume down and just watched the game with no commentary.
I did that after 20 mins or so, in almost 50 years of watching football it's the first time I've done it. I can usually stomach Gooman but last night was beyond the pale.
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The sky sports commentators were so desperate for Utd to win, they are just so biased.
The game was 0-0 in the first half and the commentator said "with all the premier league clubs that have now been knocked out of the competition Utd will be desperate to win this trophy"
We are also a premier league club and we also want to win the bloody trophy!!
I then turned the volume down and just watched the game with no commentary.
I did that after 20 mins or so, in almost 50 years of watching football it's the first time I've done it. I can usually stomach Gooman but last night was beyond the pale.
I usually do it when Andy Hinchcliffe is commentating, which seems to be every bloody game we're on
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I saw the passion on the match thread before kick of and the usual heat of the moment comments we have all done as we all want villa to win.
Emery put out an awful side and yes, it is on him we lost as much as the players. But we cant let ourselves get too carried away. In principle, fred flintstone was right, we all thought after Brentford we had it nailed only to come crashing down and I feel we were getting a bit too carried away after beating Manure at home, but understandable given 27 years of home defeats to them. But to beat Emery with a stick that he wants to win silverware and not bring home the league cup after 11 days in charge, its delusional given this is a longterm appointment.
Risso brought up a point that the confidence going forward was important but I think many of the team we fielded yesterday are too inconsistent or simply havent had enough time with the new gaffer to make things click. We were never likley to beat manure twice in a week and if we didnt have a league game later this week, we probably would have fielded a full strength squad.
I saw a few posters saying would we rather win a cup or finish 7th-9th and this year I would have liked to do both. However, after stinking the prem out again under Gerrard and the latter days of Smith, we aren't gonna win anything just because we are the mighty Aston Villa, we need to grind out the results, get ourselves stable in the league then push for cups and europe as I dont think we have the quality in the depth of the squad to sustain everything until we give the new regime time to assess, strengthen or ship out players.
This isnt on the fans and here is not representative of all the fanbase but when I read the 1/3 stat that Fred put in his post (yes he can troll but he is entitled to his opinion, however bizarre) it wound me right up because we have become a managerial graveyard and we finally have what we all wanted, a proven coach who isnt a chancer or a punt or a next big thing in the making learning his trade at VP, we just need to give him the time to know his best team.
He isnt immune from criticism, of course he isnt! But give him time to do what he does as he does feel like the real thing and I would rather have a few bumpy starts and consistency as results improve than forever getting the new manager bounce as we lurch from one appointment to the next
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Very frustrating, but understandable why he picked the team he did. Just a shame with how the draw has worked out too.
Let’s hope he learnt a lot from last night.
I don’t think it was understandable the team he picked last night.
It was bloody stupid.
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The sky sports commentators were so desperate for Utd to win, they are just so biased.
The game was 0-0 in the first half and the commentator said "with all the premier league clubs that have now been knocked out of the competition Utd will be desperate to win this trophy"
We are also a premier league club and we also want to win the bloody trophy!!
I then turned the volume down and just watched the game with no commentary.
I did that after 20 mins or so, in almost 50 years of watching football it's the first time I've done it. I can usually stomach Gooman but last night was beyond the pale.
I usually do it when Andy Hinchcliffe is commentating, which seems to be every bloody game we're on
Last night it was Don Goodman. He was the co-commentar on SkySports
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He's another one, seems to resent only being good enough to play for a couple of shit clubs down the road
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Nearly forgot Danny Ings started last night. Did he touch the ball?
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Nearly forgot Danny Ings started last night. Did he touch the ball?
Clearance header first half ... at least he was tracking back i suppose
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Nearly forgot Danny Ings started last night. Did he touch the ball?
The least amount of times of anybody who started the match, you probably won't be at all amazed to learn. Away from home he's as much use as tits on a nun.
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Just either ignore or block him. I blocked someone on here a while back and it's well worth doing, trust me. Wilma will be next on the block list, he's just a troll.
I like to see how imaginative and convincing he can be,
Not very, most of the time.
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UE was in a bit of a bind here. He didn't mention it in his introductory speech, possibly because it would sound limited, but of course his first priority for Villa, ahead of both cups and Europe, would be to avoid relegation. I guess it's not unlike the shrewd political leader who campaigns in poetry and governs in prose. He would be seeing the Brighton game as the priority.
Let's see how we do Sunday, away to a team in good form.
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Nearly forgot Danny Ings started last night. Did he touch the ball?
The least amount of times of anybody who started the match, you probably won't be at all amazed to learn. Away from home he's as much use as tits on a nun.
Gabby without the 'being a wanker' part.
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Bailey has played well against Man United in our games even in the preseason friendly and always gets on the scoresheet as well
Maybe they will bid 175m as that’s the sort of thing they do and we can buy a proper centre forward
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Or we keep him and buy one with our own money?
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UE was in a bit of a bind here. He didn't mention it in his introductory speech, possibly because it would sound limited, but of course his first priority for Villa, ahead of both cups and Europe, would be to avoid relegation. I guess it's not unlike the shrewd political leader who campaigns in poetry and governs in prose. He would be seeing the Brighton game as the priority.
Let's see how we do Sunday, away to a team in good form.
A welcome injection of common sense!
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UE was in a bit of a bind here. He didn't mention it in his introductory speech, possibly because it would sound limited, but of course his first priority for Villa, ahead of both cups and Europe, would be to avoid relegation. I guess it's not unlike the shrewd political leader who campaigns in poetry and governs in prose. He would be seeing the Brighton game as the priority.
Let's see how we do Sunday, away to a team in good form.
Errr...No. We needed to build on Sunday with rhythm and confidence and he messed up. Conceding 4 is not going to help anyone.
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Nearly forgot Danny Ings started last night. Did he touch the ball?
Clearance header first half ... at least he was tracking back i suppose
He had a great touch in the area on left hand side bringing a floated cross under control Messiesque but then failed to make anything of it.
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At 2-2, it was a case of next goal wins it. Unfortunately it wasn't us.
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Met a couple of Man U fans before the game who were colleagues of my mate who I went with, they were pleased that we changed the team so much from Sunday, especially Bailey, whereas we were a little disappointed with the line up.
It’s been said but if he just kept Martinez in that would have been the difference. We’ve got a second choice keeper who is an established international with 60 odd caps he really should be capable of coming in and performing to the required standard. It’s frustrating as he made a great save down to his left from Rat Face. I’ve not seen any of it back but then struggled with a couple of loopy high balls, gave the ball away for the third and should have came for the admittedly good cross for the fourth.
I enjoyed the game and atmosphere and took some positives from it but it’s galling when you knew the results from the earlier games and the proceeding draw.
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I’m just about to listen to The Villa Podcast, I’m sure they’ll have a funny take on last nights game. If you can’t laugh….
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I’m just about to listen to The Villa Podcast, I’m sure they’ll have a funny take on last nights game. If you can’t laugh….
The word 'c*nt' is going to feature heavily I feel
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UE is clearly prioritizing escaping the relegation zone right now and I don't have a problem with that. I think had we been 6+ points clear of the bottom 3 we would have seen a different team selected. The positive is now he knows a lot more about the strength of his squad and what needs to happen in the January transfer window. As disappointing as the result (and the manner of the defeat) was I like that he appears to be thinking longer term.
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The line up was an unnecessary risk and it is disappointing that he went with Olsen + Watkins and Ings together
I hope this is the last time we see that goalkeeper and or those 2 start together.
It’s a shame as this has taken the edge of a wonderful start for UE.
A new dawn fades.
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A nice Cup night out even though the result didn’t go our way. Scores on the doors
Olsen - 3 - despite looking relatively ok for the first 60 minutes, he seemed to have a meltdown once they got back to 2-2 and his play with the ball at his feet was woeful throughout the game.
Young - 7 - tired badly after his knock but one of our better performers.
Konsa - 5 oh dear, back to his flaky form and missed having Mings alongside him
Chambers - 5 seemed ok ish but seemed to lose the plot late on.
Augustinsson - 3 quite patently not good enough, positionally Ill disciplined and as slow as a snail.
Kamara - 7 good game but tired badly in the last 20 minutes.
Luiz - 7 another good game but another who tired as the game progressed
McGinn - 5 a bit of a meh performance, he was there but not really influencing or impacting the game.
Ramsey - 7 - some good moments
Watkins - 7 - good performance until he missed the chance at 2-2 a bit anonymous after that.
Ings - 4 anonymous
Mings - 5 could maybe have done better for the 2nd/4th but I’d put others more at fault.
Buendia - 6 not really involved that much but some nice progressive play when he was involved
Bailey - 7.5 - a threat when he came on and the beating of about 6 men and the chance laid on for Watkins was worth the entrance fee on its own.
Cash/Digne - 5 not much to report other than too late to make a difference.
Emery - 6 probably one or two changes too many in the starting line up but we weren’t seriously troubled until they equalised and then still seemed to have the measure of them for 20 minutes or so. I think he learned more about his squad than he maybe wanted to tonight and it’s disappointing to go out but felt he didn’t react quick enough to Ten Haag changing his formation to stifle us playing out from the back. Of course he can’t be blamed for the players individual mistakes.
All in all a little bit sobering and the feeling of an opportunity missed after the joy of Sunday but we’re trying to play a more possession and structured game and after two games that’s readily apparent.
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At 2-2, it was a case of next goal wins it. Unfortunately it wasn't us.
At 1-2, it was a case of next goal wins it.
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I'm not going to slate UE as I think he is a brilliant appointment for us medium to long term, but I do feel that his selection last night was:
1. extremely naive, to make so many changes and include so many fringe players, and expect a similar outcome to Sunday?
2. equally naive, to "have a look" at the fringe players to see how they perform in a proper game, to help choose a side for Brighton. Was he really prepared this to happen and sacrifice the game in the process? Maybe.
Before the game I was hoping he would make as few changes as possible...take advantage of a wounded ManU, keep a winning mentality among the first choices, build momentum for Brighton. As last Sunday, bring subs on as appropriate....one more game and he has about 6 weeks to let first choicers have a rest and look at the fringe players, decide where we need to strengthen.
After Sunday he may have thought 2 or 3 key acquisitions; after last night more like 15!
UTFV!
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First game I've seen in person since Man U at home in January and first away since Wigan in the Championship.
So firstly thought the atmosphere was great although they were typically library like until they scored their 3rd. Nice to see so many kids in the Villa end, and none of the rumoured coke heads that apparently turn up for the league games. Maybe the much larger allocation helped.
Secondly, first half was a terrible game, but largely enjoyed the second until the cock ups. Watkins showed how good he could be and then how bad. Bailey terrified them when he came on. Olsen and the playing out from the back, enough said!
Think Emery will sort it long term.
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The team: Emery picked Ramsey, Watkins, Ashley, Konsa, Kamara, Douglas Luiz, all of whom have played well recently (except Kamara our 'marquee' signing on his way back from injury and who needs game time).
of the others, ings was once again anonymous (but he and Ollie seemed to work against Brentford); Olsen, an experienced international who showed he just isn't good enough as a back-up; Chambers, who people have been crying out for as a better choice than Konsa, but who had an unexpectedly poor game yesterday, Augustinsson, another international Emery needed to see, and McGinn whose form has dipped but who he obviously wanted to see under his newmanagement (didn't work).
My point is I don't think it was such a bad team on paper - my reservations would be Olsen (retrospectively, but it's what a lot of managers do for the cups), not starting Bailey, although maybe Sunday was on emery's mind; but apart from that not a bad side. Then he brought on some strong subs to change the game. If you take away Olsen's awful pass out followed by the Mings deflection for their 3rd, the complete switch-off following our first goal, Watkins' mis-control after Bailey's trickery when he should have scored, and even Olsen sticking to his line for their 4th, we quite possibly could have won the game. Lots of ifs and buts and some might say that's clutching at straws, but my view is we threw the game away as opposed to being well-beaten (which Sky seemed to think we were).
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I think they could have had another 2-3 goals quite easily. McTominay hit the post with a really good shot, and Slabhead should have scored with a header. The only thing you can say about the first half was that they were just as bad as we were. Second half from 60 minutes, they blew us away.
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What I don’t get is why do managers look at videos of past matches? You don’t need to see players like Olsen in the flesh to know he never leaves his line so allows opposition attacks to flourish? In addition, bearing in mind there was only one match left, after this one, keep the team morale high by continuing to win matches.
UE will undoubtedly prove to be a good manager but last night’s selection was a cock up. If we had won last night, the players would have been on a high going into the Brighton game, now I’m not so sure.
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The team: Emery picked Ramsey, Watkins, Ashley, Konsa, Kamara, Douglas Luiz, all of whom have played well recently (except Kamara our 'marquee' signing on his way back from injury and who needs game time).
of the others, ings was once again anonymous (but he and Ollie seemed to work against Brentford); Olsen, an experienced international who showed he just isn't good enough as a back-up; Chambers, who people have been crying out for as a better choice than Konsa, but who had an unexpectedly poor game yesterday, Augustinsson, another international Emery needed to see, and McGinn whose form has dipped but who he obviously wanted to see under his newmanagement (didn't work).
My point is I don't think it was such a bad team on paper - my reservations would be Olsen (retrospectively, but it's what a lot of managers do for the cups), not starting Bailey, although maybe Sunday was on emery's mind; but apart from that not a bad side. Then he brought on some strong subs to change the game. If you take away Olsen's awful pass out followed by the Mings deflection for their 3rd, the complete switch-off following our first goal, Watkins' mis-control after Bailey's trickery when he should have scored, and even Olsen sticking to his line for their 4th, we quite possibly could have won the game. Lots of ifs and buts and some might say that's clutching at straws, but my view is we threw the game away as opposed to being well-beaten (which Sky seemed to think we were).
Don't think there was any need for selecting Augustinson (who looks incredibly average) when Digne has missed a lot of games lately and could have done with the run out. I don't think Emery needed to gamble with Olsen either, I'm sure he has seen a recording of his "performance" v Newcastle a few weeks back which confirmed he is nowhere near PL standard. Ings/Watkins again away from home, Gerrard would have been slated for it so Emery should be immune to criticism. It didn't work unsurprisingly.
I'd have had no issue if likes of Sanson and Archer had got game time. Surprised they didn't.
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When Watkins missed that chance at 2-2, after Bailey had taken on half the Man U team and put him through, I sort of knew. I was bewildered by the goal he scored. Momentarily possessed by a footballer.
Kamara clearly and understandably tired, our subs didn't get up to speed with the game and we just defaulted to play like fodder again.
I'm glad Emery picked who he did. At least now he knows what he's got to work with, who he can rely on, etc.
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It’s standard practice for PL managers to play their second keeper in cup games. For Emery who only really has these three games to assess what he might need in January it was pretty much forced on him.
You can get away with it if you've got two players like Kepa and Mendy. He wasn't forced into anything, and evaluating the second choice keeper, who anybody could have told him was shit, wasn't as important as trying to progress in a cup competition.
I think it’s legitimate for him to make his own assessment of players but we obviously have a difference of opinion on this that we aren’t going to resolve so no point going back and forth over it.
I think it's legitimate too, but I can't say that when I saw the teamsheet with him on my heart didn't sink.
I saw Olsen and Augustinsson on it and switched my phone off.
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That 18 year old for them was fucking incredible for his age. Shame he plays for them ****** really.
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When Watkins missed that chance at 2-2, after Bailey had taken on half the Man U team and put him through, I sort of knew. I was bewildered by the goal he scored. Momentarily possessed by a footballer.
Kamara clearly and understandably tired, our subs didn't get up to speed with the game and we just defaulted to play like fodder again.
I'm glad Emery picked who he did. At least now he knows what he's got to work with, who he can rely on, etc.
It was obvious that he would rest key players and take a look at others who may be on the fringes. He now knows McGinn is a busted flush at the top level. Augustinson is absolutely not up to this standard and I wouldn't expect to see him or Olsen in a Villa shirt again unless we were desperate. I've been reminded on here of Olsens recent poor display at Newcastle and agree that was one risk Emery really didn't need to take. Everyone already knows how poor Olsen is and I actually think an in form Emi Martinez would of saw us victorious. I'm looking forward to a strong display at Brighton with a few players out to prove a point.
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When Watkins missed that chance at 2-2, after Bailey had taken on half the Man U team and put him through, I sort of knew. I was bewildered by the goal he scored. Momentarily possessed by a footballer.
Kamara clearly and understandably tired, our subs didn't get up to speed with the game and we just defaulted to play like fodder again.
I'm glad Emery picked who he did. At least now he knows what he's got to work with, who he can rely on, etc.
It was obvious that he would rest key players and take a look at others who may be on the fringes. He now knows McGinn is a busted flush at the top level. Augustinson is absolutely not up to this standard and I wouldn't expect to see him or Olsen in a Villa shirt again unless we were desperate. I've been reminded on here of Olsens recent poor display at Newcastle and agree that was one risk Emery really didn't need to take. Everyone already knows how poor Olsen is and I actually think an in form Emi Martinez would of saw us victorious. I'm looking forward to a strong display at Brighton with a few players out to prove a point.
McGinn is having a bad season so far, he's not a busted flush. See the stats from last season for some evidence.
We may see Olsen again for the FA Cup, though I'd rather we didn't. Augustinsson I'm not yet sure about, though given the choice I'd rather Ashley Young were ahead of him in the pecking order.
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He didn’t have to play that team to know it would be shit.
I think it was expectations more than anything. Given his track record on winning cups I genuinely thought we had a great chance of winning the LC. Especially so many big teams going out the days before.
Then to start with such a bad team after Sunday is crazy. The inevitable happened: played decent football in brief spells - played shite football in long spells - put ourselves under pressure and individuals made howlers and the game slipped away. Pretty much a classic Gerrard performance.
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Great to se Watkins dink the ball in a 1-on-1: where did he learn that?!
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There's a lot of posts that seem to overlook the fact that this much derided starting eleven took the lead in the game, and not only once, they did it twice. They didn't fall behind until the 78th minute, by which time they'd been 'bolstered' by Cash, Mings, Bailey and Buendia.
I'm not defending the lineup, it's not one I would have picked, but I think insinuations that Emery should've known they're just a massive bunch of losers are wrong.
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I must be in the minority (who saw us win the big one) but I cannot be arsed with the Carabou fuckin Cup! Tin pot.
If we want to be big time then we got to act big time. This cup is beneath us - and if it’s so important to some then let’s go after the FA Cup (which still has a tinge of credibility to it).
Emery will have learnt a lot about the depth of the squad and that is critical - some of the criticism is a joke.
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Great to se Watkins dink the ball in a 1-on-1: where did he learn that?!
Yes, a composed, clinical finish. Shame about the one at 2-2 where Bailey put him through and he looked like a puppy with a balloon
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I must be in the minority (who saw us win the big one) but I cannot be arsed with the Carabou fuckin Cup! Tin pot.
If we want to be big time then we got to act big time. This cup is beneath us - and if it’s so important to some then let’s go after the FA Cup (which still has a tinge of credibility to it).
Emery will have learnt a lot about the depth of the squad and that is critical - some of the criticism is a joke.
The first two paragraphs are some of the biggest bollocks I've ever seen on here.
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I must be in the minority (who saw us win the big one) but I cannot be arsed with the Carabou fuckin Cup! Tin pot.
If we want to be big time then we got to act big time. This cup is beneath us - and if it’s so important to some then let’s go after the FA Cup (which still has a tinge of credibility to it).
Emery will have learnt a lot about the depth of the squad and that is critical - some of the criticism is a joke.
What utter bollocks, how on earth is this cup below us, when we have won precisely nothing in nearly 30 years? Even Man City take it seriously and they've won 6 league titles in the last ten years.
The League Cup finals in the 90s were fantastic and the Tranmere home semi is probably my favourite home match ever.
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Great to se Watkins dink the ball in a 1-on-1: where did he learn that?!
Two excellent touches before it too.
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He didn’t have to play that team to know it would be shit.
I think it was expectations more than anything. Given his track record on winning cups I genuinely thought we had a great chance of winning the LC. Especially so many big teams going out the days before.
Then to start with such a bad team after Sunday is crazy. The inevitable happened: played decent football in brief spells - played shite football in long spells - put ourselves under pressure and individuals made howlers and the game slipped away. Pretty much a classic Gerrard performance.
How you found out Emery before everyone else?
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He didn’t have to play that team to know it would be shit.
I think it was expectations more than anything. Given his track record on winning cups I genuinely thought we had a great chance of winning the LC. Especially so many big teams going out the days before.
Then to start with such a bad team after Sunday is crazy. The inevitable happened: played decent football in brief spells - played shite football in long spells - put ourselves under pressure and individuals made howlers and the game slipped away. Pretty much a classic Gerrard performance.
Have you found out Emery before everyone else?
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There's a lot of posts that seem to overlook the fact that this much derided starting eleven took the lead in the game, and not only once, they did it twice. They didn't fall behind until the 78th minute, by which time they'd been 'bolstered' by Cash, Mings, Bailey and Buendia.
I'm not defending the lineup, it's not one I would have picked, but I think insinuations that Emery should've known they're just a massive bunch of losers are wrong.
I agree, the line up was ok, they did more than OK if it wasn't for the fact the keeper just totally went to shit.
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The best summing-up of the game came from Ian Taylor: "We earned our goals, we gave them all of theirs."