January 2023 Transfer Rumours, Discussions and Done Deals Thread

[Monty]

The criticism of Maguire has been amplified to levels of parody in the last year or two.

We know how our Tyrone gets lambasted by non-Villa fans, it's always extremes with "the public" opinion on certain players.
Once they're labelled shite, that's it til they retire, regardless if their form improves and stays consistent.

I think this is a good comparison, the perception of Mings between us lot and non Villa fans is chalk and cheese. Maguire has become a punchline for most football fans, I doubt he's that bad in reality.

The Man Utd fans think he’s crap as well don’t they?

All United fans I know regard his selection in the team with deathless despair.

[Footy-Vill]

Maguire Makes little sense would be on a lot of wages and is older than the players we have a I can’t see that he is much of an upgrade.

If we’re to get a center back surely it needs to be one totally different from what we have? 

Plus Southgate would have to drop him from the England squad if he came here.

Think the majority of our budget needs to be focused on attacking options.  Bailey, Phil and Emi are too similar and two inconsistent

Bednarek, Chambers, Konsa or Maguire, though?
Maguire would be my first choice from those 4

[pauliewalnuts]

Bednarek, Chambers, Konsa or Maguire, though?
Maguire would be my first choice from those 4

That's a loaded question, though - if you're saying the three mentioned aren't good enough, then 'better than them' is perhaps not saying much.

[Brend'Watkins]

I don't watch Man Utd, but I suspect some of the stick he's getting is because of the social media histrionics of their 'online' fanbase. I'm sure that if he came here he'd do fine.

I agree.  A no nonsense, tough defender who is much maligned because he went on holiday and seemed to cause a bit of trouble.  He'd do fine at Villa and we need to get over ourselves a bit.  He would lift the stature of the club.*

(*terms and conditions are included attached, if he doesn't sign, I never wanted the slab headed foreskin anyway!)

The last CB reject we had from them didn’t turn out too bad did he?

Yeah, Ronny Johnsen was fine.

Edit - Tuanzebe, of course.

So the last 3 we’ve had from them have been good, very good and excellent then. We are very successful with our signing of ManU central defenders.

[Footy-Vill]

Bednarek, Chambers, Konsa or Maguire, though?
Maguire would be my first choice from those 4

That's a loaded question, though - if you're saying the three mentioned aren't good enough, then 'better than them' is perhaps not saying much.

Maguire added to our defence roster to me would be in a head on team selection above Bednarek, Chambers or Konsa.
Is that better for you?

[Monty]

Football is more complicated than that though, it's not just stats like on FIFA. Players suit teams in mysterious fashions, a particular rapport with certain teammates, the right strengths to complement others' weaknesses etc. Would anyone choose Jordan Henderson for any midfield in the top 6 other than Liverpool's on pure Fifa stats? But he does his particular job for them better than anyone else could.

I know Maguire is a more famous name than Chambers et al, but he has the turning circle of the universe and gives away more than the former Mrs. Bezos. It's highly uncertain he would suit Emery's system.

[Dave]

Bednarek, Chambers, Konsa or Maguire, though?
Maguire would be my first choice from those 4

That's a loaded question, though - if you're saying the three mentioned aren't good enough, then 'better than them' is perhaps not saying much.

Maguire added to our defence roster to me would be in a head on team selection above Bednarek, Chambers or Konsa.
Is that better for you?

Not really. If he's here for six months while Diego Carlos gets up to speed and then goes back in the summer while we properly assess our defensive options then there is just about logic in it.

If the idea is that we're about to spend £30m+ on a new centre back, then we might as well spend it on someone more suitable than Maguire.

I'd be surprised if there is anything in it though.

[PeterWithe]

The restaurant is/was used very regularly by Villas management team under both Dean and Gerrard.

[Risso]

He just doesn't seem the sort of player to get Emery overly excited. Unai's got his work cut out getting our bunch to play a more technical, possession-based game. Why would he add somebody else in to the squad who's not exactly a Baresi type? He'd be better than Konsa, but that's not enough, surely?

[Footy-Vill]

I don’t think Maguire is the ball playing centre half I was hoping for he’s very similar to Mings in playing style, which isn’t of itself a bad thing, but doesn’t address the playing out from the back problem

Would prefer Poa Torres who we were linked with

He just doesn't seem the sort of player to get Emery overly excited. Unai's got his work cut out getting our bunch to play a more technical, possession-based game. Why would he add somebody else in to the squad who's not exactly a Baresi type? He'd be better than Konsa, but that's not enough, surely?

Maguire? Hasn't he been one of, if not the, best English ball-playing centres in the last 6 to 7 seasons? One of his strong points. Granted, it's bee  a struggle more recent in the season, but he played his worth and reminding everyone in the world cup of his abilities.

He'll move and rather he came here than another prem club.

It seems the maguire stories have some legs as there’s a photograph of him at the above restaurant and he was at the belfry yesterday (he could always just be playing golf). Whilst I’m not averse to Maguire i do hope it’s not some ridiculously expensive and long term deal. We’ve been there too many times.

Yes Man Utd were trying to move him on in the summer. I have it on good authority that Chelsea wanted him in the summer, but he refuses to move to London. Even on loan.
This Villa move wouldn't be a relocation.

[pauliewalnuts]

He just doesn't seem the sort of player to get Emery overly excited. Unai's got his work cut out getting our bunch to play a more technical, possession-based game. Why would he add somebody else in to the squad who's not exactly a Baresi type? He'd be better than Konsa, but that's not enough, surely?

The only thing I'd say is, Maguire's distribution is very good indeed. It could be that.

[Footy-Vill]

He just doesn't seem the sort of player to get Emery overly excited. Unai's got his work cut out getting our bunch to play a more technical, possession-based game. Why would he add somebody else in to the squad who's not exactly a Baresi type? He'd be better than Konsa, but that's not enough, surely?

The only thing I'd say is, Maguire's distribution is very good indeed. It could be that.

Exactly!

[pauliewalnuts]

Bednarek, Chambers, Konsa or Maguire, though?
Maguire would be my first choice from those 4

That's a loaded question, though - if you're saying the three mentioned aren't good enough, then 'better than them' is perhaps not saying much.

Maguire added to our defence roster to me would be in a head on team selection above Bednarek, Chambers or Konsa.
Is that better for you?

Not really, no, because whilst that may be the case, it's not enough of an improvement to make it worth a permanent deal, and whilst we'd be getting a CB with much better distribution, we'd also be getting one who constantly has a ricket in him and has shown himself repeatedly to be positionally disastrous.

If you want him to play behind another 5 defenders - like he does with England - then fine. If you want him to head crosses out of the box for 90 minutes and do nothing else defensively, then that's fine too.

But that's not how we're going to play for the first point, and not what we need for the second.

[KevinGage]

Unless it's a loan and Yanited are paying 90 per cent of his wages just to get him away I prefer the No Maguire option.

[LeeB]

Football is more complicated than that though, it's not just stats like on FIFA. Players suit teams in mysterious fashions, a particular rapport with certain teammates, the right strengths to complement others' weaknesses etc. Would anyone choose Jordan Henderson for any midfield in the top 6 other than Liverpool's on pure Fifa stats? But he does his particular job for them better than anyone else could.

I know Maguire is a more famous name than Chambers et al, but he has the turning circle of the universe and gives away more than the former Mrs. Bezos. It's highly uncertain he would suit Emery's system.

Remember him making McGinn look like the roadrunner in comparison to him in the win at Old Trafford last season.

It's all absolute bollocks anyway.