Players Who Simply Aren’t Good Enough

[PaulTheVillan]

I think we need to see the Emery effect first.

Bloody can’t wait.

[Risso]

Trouble is do we want to wait to confirm that several of our players aren’t good enough, or do we go for it in January.

[PeterWithesShin]

He'll have the world cup to work with most of them, a good manager and coaches will soon work out who can do what they want and who can't. It won't take the rest of the season to do that.

[pauliewalnuts]

Some of them are good enough, some of them are not, but they are all mental midgets.

[LukeJames]

I honestly don't know. If you asked a Newcastle fan the same question this time last year they'd probably have said most of their squad. Schar, Almiron, Joelinton, Lazcelles, Longstaff, Burn, Murphy, Shelvey have been bang average to shit for as long as I can remember prior to Howe coming in, but with proper coaching and tactics they now look brilliant as part of a team.

Theres a few that frustrate the shit out of me but I believe we have appointed a genuinly top class manager and I want to see what he can do with them.

[markeeeebeeee2005]

Watkins is the one that’s been grinding my gears. I don’t think he’s got it.

I’m also starting to think we had our pants pulled down with Coutinho.

McGinn has been consistent. Consistently a 4/10 for about a year.

And Ings. He plays as dopey as he looks. He plays with the energy of an OAP. I’d be asking the lawyers to have a look at his birth certificate again.

Bailey has been fine the one time this season he’s been played on the left.

[SoccerHQ]

Trouble is do we want to wait to confirm that several of our players aren’t good enough, or do we go for it in January.

We certainly shouldn't just be giving contract extensions for the sake of it anymore.

At end of the season McGinn and Watkins will have two years left on their deals. They've both served us well but bar extraordinary form from either it's time to cash in on both.

Other clubs do it and organically improve so we need to aswell. Think Mings fits into that category aswell but I'd keep him around next season unless he can't adapt to Emery's tactics.

[PaulWinch again]

There are a number who disappoint me, but I think the one who disappoints me the most is Konsa. A couple of years back he looked assured, composed, and that he was really going to kick on. He’s a shadow of his former self now and his lack of quality at the back is a real issue.

[Toronto Villa]

Where do you fucking start with the ones who aren’t good enough?

Deserving of an immediate boot up the jacksie:

McGinn
Watkins
Konsa

Only not getting sold because there are three shitter players:

Buendia
Ings
Bailey

Players that are “shit” can suddenly improve with the right coaching, belief and confidence. Many would have said the same about Almiron or Joelinton or Longstaff. But all of them are playing above any level most of their fans thought they were capable of. It’s not as simple he’s shit get rid. It’s more complex. And if in the end this new manager can’t get them performing them maybe they will need to move. Both Dean Smith at the end and Gerrard regressed our players physically and mentally. I’ve not completely given up on most of them yet.

[ez]

Ings and McGinn are no brainers. Can't believe Ings is so useless. File alongside Aspinall, Lillis, Cascarino etc.

[Risso]

Newcastle are very much the exception though, for every Almiron who started off shit and then improved there are probably ten players who started shit and still are. And most of them seem to play for Villa! 😉

[edgysatsuma89]

I honestly don't know. If you asked a Newcastle fan the same question this time last year they'd probably have said most of their squad. Schar, Almiron, Joelinton, Lazcelles, Longstaff, Burn, Murphy, Shelvey have been bang average to shit for as long as I can remember prior to Howe coming in, but with proper coaching and tactics they now look brilliant as part of a team.

Theres a few that frustrate the shit out of me but I believe we have appointed a genuinly top class manager and I want to see what he can do with them.

That's definitely a fair assessment, I do think some of these players can turn it around (not all). We need our Guimaraes signing to lift everyone's level as well, he really is a top player. The bastard.

[eamonn]

Today was only the second time that our 3 for 1 Grealish replacements have played together and Bailey didn't even play on his preferred side for most of the game. I think this lot are comfortably better than the last 12 months have shown, but the right players within the squad playing in the right system hasn't been chosen often enough.

[hilts_coolerking]

With Ollie I just don't get how a striker can be almost 27 and still need teaching how to finish.  What can Emery tell him that he hasn't been told a thousand times?  He'll always need 3 chances to score 1.

[Risso]

With Ollie I just don't get how a striker can be almost 27 and still need teaching how to finish.  What can Emery tell him that he hasn't been told a thousand times?  He'll always need 3 chances to score 1.

Or how to control a ball.