Unai Emery

[Risso]

My view on the Manager is;

1. He managed to get players bought for average prices during the Smith and Gerrard eras playing unbelievably beyond their abilities and the group was better than the sum of its parts.  Cash, Konsa, Watkins, McGinn - all bought during Smith's time at the club for a total outlay of £60m.

2. Those players are now playing the way they did back when they joined - in other words some good games, some terrible.  That is what you get with mediocre outlays.

3. The biggest mistake is the summer window.  It was clear we needed to fix the Right Back position and probably a Centre Half as priorities.  Instead we got rid of a perfectly capable deputy at Left Back and shelled out £37m for another one.  To compound that we paid £50m for Onana which was arguably £20m too much.  And we went into the season having not replaced the goals of Diaby and Luiz.  The result of which is not hard to imagine.  Still absolutely awful at the back, the right back area still a problem, the centre half area definitely a problem and a distinct lack of goals in the team that has now shone a light on how bad things were at the back but as we were scoring it didn't matter.  The window was awful.  We were under a tight rein but that then does not explain bringing Philogene back and bringing in Maatsen and worse still the Juve signings that are not contributing at all this season.

So, that is largely on the Manager and Monchi and the owners to fix.  He has earned enough credit to be able to fix things at least in part in January.  In the meantime, he needs to go back to basics and pick a boring team capable of grinding out results starting with meat and potatoes defending.  I am not at all convinced we will get 6 points from the next two if changes are not made.

Completely agree, although worth stating that McGinn was signed by Bruce, not Smith.

Weren't there some mumblings that Monchi's last few years weren't exactly great? Absolute disaster at Roma, wasn't he? I think we're starting to see why.

[kippaxvilla2]

Yes he hated it there apparently and didn’t stay long.

[Chico Hamilton III]

Does anyone genuinely want him out?

Of course not. It was shit, as bad as we’ve played under Emery, but there wasn’t even a hint of uncertainty about his future amongst the Villa fans yesterday.

[Drummond]

My view on the Manager is;

1. He managed to get players bought for average prices during the Smith and Gerrard eras playing unbelievably beyond their abilities and the group was better than the sum of its parts.  Cash, Konsa, Watkins, McGinn - all bought during Smith's time at the club for a total outlay of £60m.

2. Those players are now playing the way they did back when they joined - in other words some good games, some terrible.  That is what you get with mediocre outlays.

3. The biggest mistake is the summer window.  It was clear we needed to fix the Right Back position and probably a Centre Half as priorities.  Instead we got rid of a perfectly capable deputy at Left Back and shelled out £37m for another one.  To compound that we paid £50m for Onana which was arguably £20m too much.  And we went into the season having not replaced the goals of Diaby and Luiz.  The result of which is not hard to imagine.  Still absolutely awful at the back, the right back area still a problem, the centre half area definitely a problem and a distinct lack of goals in the team that has now shone a light on how bad things were at the back but as we were scoring it didn't matter.  The window was awful.  We were under a tight rein but that then does not explain bringing Philogene back and bringing in Maatsen and worse still the Juve signings that are not contributing at all this season.

So, that is largely on the Manager and Monchi and the owners to fix.  He has earned enough credit to be able to fix things at least in part in January.  In the meantime, he needs to go back to basics and pick a boring team capable of grinding out results starting with meat and potatoes defending.  I am not at all convinced we will get 6 points from the next two if changes are not made.

Completely agree, although worth stating that McGinn was signed by Bruce, not Smith.

Weren't there some mumblings that Monchi's last few years weren't exactly great? Absolute disaster at Roma, wasn't he? I think we're starting to see why.

Oh mate, really?

Onana - widely viewed as being a really good player. started well and has had a few injuries.
Maatsen - best Left Back in the Champions League last season, played in the Final.
Barranechea - Having a good season in Spain, having had a great season in Italy last.
Iling Junior - Top young player, doing ok so far this season, a good prospect.
Barkley - not seen any complaints about him this season.
Diaby - in and out, no financial loss, helped PSR.
Rogers - he's not been bad has he? Gone on to play for England.
Luiz - PSR meant a deal needed doing, desperately, and it was.
Gauci - capped by Australia, not looked shabby when he's played.
Nedeljkovic - Jury out, but experience in Champions League.
Tielemans - Been very good so far. Free.
Archer - Out, in, out. Not much to say on that one is there?
Dobbin - Loaned out, PSR compliance thing
Iroegbunam - Good price obrtained, see PSR.

Not sure what's that bad about those dealings.

[ChicagoLion]

My view on the Manager is;

1. He managed to get players bought for average prices during the Smith and Gerrard eras playing unbelievably beyond their abilities and the group was better than the sum of its parts.  Cash, Konsa, Watkins, McGinn - all bought during Smith's time at the club for a total outlay of £60m.

2. Those players are now playing the way they did back when they joined - in other words some good games, some terrible.  That is what you get with mediocre outlays.

3. The biggest mistake is the summer window.  It was clear we needed to fix the Right Back position and probably a Centre Half as priorities.  Instead we got rid of a perfectly capable deputy at Left Back and shelled out £37m for another one.  To compound that we paid £50m for Onana which was arguably £20m too much.  And we went into the season having not replaced the goals of Diaby and Luiz.  The result of which is not hard to imagine.  Still absolutely awful at the back, the right back area still a problem, the centre half area definitely a problem and a distinct lack of goals in the team that has now shone a light on how bad things were at the back but as we were scoring it didn't matter.  The window was awful.  We were under a tight rein but that then does not explain bringing Philogene back and bringing in Maatsen and worse still the Juve signings that are not contributing at all this season.

So, that is largely on the Manager and Monchi and the owners to fix.  He has earned enough credit to be able to fix things at least in part in January.  In the meantime, he needs to go back to basics and pick a boring team capable of grinding out results starting with meat and potatoes defending.  I am not at all convinced we will get 6 points from the next two if changes are not made.

Agree the summer window was the biggest mistake.

[Drummond]

Does anyone genuinely want him out?

Of course not. It was shit, as bad as we’ve played under Emery, but there wasn’t even a hint of uncertainty about his future amongst the Villa fans yesterday.

If there's ever a manager you know will turn it around, it's Emery.

I'm so glad we don't have that entitled fanbase like Arsenal do.

[brontebilly]

My view on the Manager is;

1. He managed to get players bought for average prices during the Smith and Gerrard eras playing unbelievably beyond their abilities and the group was better than the sum of its parts.  Cash, Konsa, Watkins, McGinn - all bought during Smith's time at the club for a total outlay of £60m.

2. Those players are now playing the way they did back when they joined - in other words some good games, some terrible.  That is what you get with mediocre outlays.

3. The biggest mistake is the summer window.  It was clear we needed to fix the Right Back position and probably a Centre Half as priorities.  Instead we got rid of a perfectly capable deputy at Left Back and shelled out £37m for another one.  To compound that we paid £50m for Onana which was arguably £20m too much.  And we went into the season having not replaced the goals of Diaby and Luiz.  The result of which is not hard to imagine.  Still absolutely awful at the back, the right back area still a problem, the centre half area definitely a problem and a distinct lack of goals in the team that has now shone a light on how bad things were at the back but as we were scoring it didn't matter.  The window was awful.  We were under a tight rein but that then does not explain bringing Philogene back and bringing in Maatsen and worse still the Juve signings that are not contributing at all this season.

So, that is largely on the Manager and Monchi and the owners to fix.  He has earned enough credit to be able to fix things at least in part in January.  In the meantime, he needs to go back to basics and pick a boring team capable of grinding out results starting with meat and potatoes defending.  I am not at all convinced we will get 6 points from the next two if changes are not made.

Completely agree, although worth stating that McGinn was signed by Bruce, not Smith.

Weren't there some mumblings that Monchi's last few years weren't exactly great? Absolute disaster at Roma, wasn't he? I think we're starting to see why.

Oh mate, really?

Onana - widely viewed as being a really good player. started well and has had a few injuries.
Maatsen - best Left Back in the Champions League last season, played in the Final.
Barranechea - Having a good season in Spain, having had a great season in Italy last.
Iling Junior - Top young player, doing ok so far this season, a good prospect.
Barkley - not seen any complaints about him this season.
Diaby - in and out, no financial loss, helped PSR.
Rogers - he's not been bad has he? Gone on to play for England.
Luiz - PSR meant a deal needed doing, desperately, and it was.
Gauci - capped by Australia, not looked shabby when he's played.
Nedeljkovic - Jury out, but experience in Champions League.
Tielemans - Been very good so far. Free.
Archer - Out, in, out. Not much to say on that one is there?
Dobbin - Loaned out, PSR compliance thing
Iroegbunam - Good price obrtained, see PSR.

Not sure what's that bad about those dealings.

I know he's like third or fourth choice keeper but there has to be somebody posting on this forum better than Gauci?

We lost Luiz and the two makeweights from Juve weren't deemed good enough for the first team squad this season. That's a disaster of a deal in football terms anyway, whatever about PSR.

Digne has been very solid defensively but I think we need to get Maatsen into the team. We have no out ball on the left which we need and very little pace in the team. Ramsey if he's ever fit again and Maatsen would add much needed pace on that flank.

[olaftab]

Emery has never been in this position before as far as I know. This is probably because he has not stayed long enough at some of the smaller clubs he successfully managed and was not given the time at Arsenal and PSG. So that would suggest he's is in totally new territory and the best way to deal with that is to go back to basics. However the problem now is that the rest of the League knows what he does and will deal with it much better than they did in his first two seasons.

So the turns around if possible is required almost immediately otherwise...............

[Risso]

It's telling that a couple of managers have come out and basically said that they knew what to do to counter us.

[olaftab]

If there's ever a manager you know will turn it around, it's Emery.

How do you/we know that?

[kippaxvilla2]

Entitled fanbase comments do make me laugh.  It's not like we haven't won an actual cup for 28 years or anything.  We are far too greedy and entitled.

[Drummond]

If there's ever a manager you know will turn it around, it's Emery.

How do you/we know that?

Anyone else you'd rather have? He's proven himself time and again. We're just having a (longer than anyone would like) blip.

[Risso]

If there's ever a manager you know will turn it around, it's Emery.

How do you/we know that?

Anyone else you'd rather have? He's proven himself time and again. We're just having a (longer than anyone would like) blip.

Choosing another manager or not, is nothing to do with what you said. You said that if there's a manager we know will turn it round, it's Emery. We don't know that, for the main reason he hasn't had to here. This is his first major blip, and so far there's no sign of him stopping the rot. We were winless for 7 games, and then we deliver arguably the worst performance in his time here. That's not a good sign.

[Drummond]

Oh ok.

We were utter dross under Gerrard, and from 17th 2 years ago, Emery turned it around and we qualified for Europe.

[Risso]

Oh ok.

We were utter dross under Gerrard, and from 17th 2 years ago, Emery turned it around and we qualified for Europe.

Well now we're utter dross under Emery. For Fulham two years ago, see Chelsea yesterday. He hasn't got a team who'd decided they didn't want to play for Gerrard any more, this run is of Emery's own making.