Quote from: paul_e on October 27, 2023, 01:49:01 PMQuote from: taylorsworkrate on October 27, 2023, 12:00:51 PMQuote from: OCD on October 27, 2023, 11:27:16 AMWhat was also impressive is the type of goals Villa scored on Thursday night. They took a 2-0 lead from just 0.15 xG from the two shots, showing the clinical mood they are in right now.This is why, although xG is a more than usual analytical tool, I can't quite take it fully seriously. Tielemans goal was a one on one with the keeper a few yards out. I'd expect a player to be converting that a lot more than 15/100but the entire basis of the stat is that players in that sort of position have historically (since they start collecting the data) scored 15% of the time. I agree though that sometimes the values feel really low. I like xG as a stat, I just think too many people misunderstand it try to use it to show things that it isn't designed for and ignore some of the assumptions and limitations that it has.How does it measure the difficulty though, in terms of how the ball comes to a player, for example. A player in that position, especially a striker, with the ball at his feet, would have a higher expectation to score than a defender, for example. Also, McGinn's pass was amazing, but it did require some lovely skills from Yuri to get it under control so he could shoot. Making it way more difficult than if he'd just dribbled it into that part of the box himself. Is that all taken into account by xG?
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on October 27, 2023, 12:00:51 PMQuote from: OCD on October 27, 2023, 11:27:16 AMWhat was also impressive is the type of goals Villa scored on Thursday night. They took a 2-0 lead from just 0.15 xG from the two shots, showing the clinical mood they are in right now.This is why, although xG is a more than usual analytical tool, I can't quite take it fully seriously. Tielemans goal was a one on one with the keeper a few yards out. I'd expect a player to be converting that a lot more than 15/100but the entire basis of the stat is that players in that sort of position have historically (since they start collecting the data) scored 15% of the time. I agree though that sometimes the values feel really low. I like xG as a stat, I just think too many people misunderstand it try to use it to show things that it isn't designed for and ignore some of the assumptions and limitations that it has.
Quote from: OCD on October 27, 2023, 11:27:16 AMWhat was also impressive is the type of goals Villa scored on Thursday night. They took a 2-0 lead from just 0.15 xG from the two shots, showing the clinical mood they are in right now.This is why, although xG is a more than usual analytical tool, I can't quite take it fully seriously. Tielemans goal was a one on one with the keeper a few yards out. I'd expect a player to be converting that a lot more than 15/100
What was also impressive is the type of goals Villa scored on Thursday night. They took a 2-0 lead from just 0.15 xG from the two shots, showing the clinical mood they are in right now.
Quote from: AV84 on October 27, 2023, 02:34:00 PMQuote from: paul_e on October 27, 2023, 01:49:01 PMQuote from: taylorsworkrate on October 27, 2023, 12:00:51 PMQuote from: OCD on October 27, 2023, 11:27:16 AMWhat was also impressive is the type of goals Villa scored on Thursday night. They took a 2-0 lead from just 0.15 xG from the two shots, showing the clinical mood they are in right now.This is why, although xG is a more than usual analytical tool, I can't quite take it fully seriously. Tielemans goal was a one on one with the keeper a few yards out. I'd expect a player to be converting that a lot more than 15/100but the entire basis of the stat is that players in that sort of position have historically (since they start collecting the data) scored 15% of the time. I agree though that sometimes the values feel really low. I like xG as a stat, I just think too many people misunderstand it try to use it to show things that it isn't designed for and ignore some of the assumptions and limitations that it has.How does it measure the difficulty though, in terms of how the ball comes to a player, for example. A player in that position, especially a striker, with the ball at his feet, would have a higher expectation to score than a defender, for example. Also, McGinn's pass was amazing, but it did require some lovely skills from Yuri to get it under control so he could shoot. Making it way more difficult than if he'd just dribbled it into that part of the box himself. Is that all taken into account by xG? The pass was perfect and he was shaping to sweep it in first time I think but it just took a knick of the defenders heel meaning he had to re-adjust which he did really well
Aston Villa manager, Unai Emery, will receive the Utilita Performance of the Week trophy.
Emery has said before Luton "We have to analyse deeply and prepare our game plan, adapting to them and respecting them. Then we have to impose our idea and try find their weakness with our capacity to build our structure offensively"Is the thinking no Cash and Konsa at right back ? Emery has talked about rotation and players being ready and preparation for all players so Dendocker could be another to be given his chance? This would help deal with physical play of Luton
Quote from: Footy-Vill on October 28, 2023, 08:56:16 PMEmery has said before Luton "We have to analyse deeply and prepare our game plan, adapting to them and respecting them. Then we have to impose our idea and try find their weakness with our capacity to build our structure offensively"Is the thinking no Cash and Konsa at right back ? Emery has talked about rotation and players being ready and preparation for all players so Dendocker could be another to be given his chance? This would help deal with physical play of LutonYou find a way to have any sort of dig at Cash whenever you can.