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Offline LeeB

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Re: Next Manager Speculation/Hopes
« Reply #420 on: October 10, 2022, 09:19:31 AM »

Gerrard is a cheque book manager so don't appoint him if your not going to throw money at it

I hate sweeping comments like this with no basis in fact.  His spending at Rangers was modest - about £28m over 3 seasons and with that he delivered the league.

For Villa his only real indulgence has been Coutinho.

He's not necessarily a very good manager, far from it it seems, but there's no evidence he's a 'cheque book manager' either.

I think he's given the impression that if there's a issue in the squad his way of fixing it is 'buy another player' rather than 'improve player we already have'.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation/Hopes
« Reply #421 on: October 10, 2022, 09:20:27 AM »
Let's face it, the way things are going, the jobs at the Manchester clubs, Liverpool clubs, and top London clubs aren't coming up any time soon. We're a good option for anyone. And we can afford it.

I'd like to agree, but I'm not as sure it's true as I was a few months ago.
There's no compensation.  We could stick a £10m signing on fee in his pocket on day 1 if we wanted to.  That must be tempting for anyone surely?  And for us it would be money very well spent compared to most of our transfer business in the last 3 years.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation/Hopes
« Reply #422 on: October 10, 2022, 09:40:41 AM »

Gerrard is a cheque book manager so don't appoint him if your not going to throw money at it

I hate sweeping comments like this with no basis in fact.  His spending at Rangers was modest - about £28m over 3 seasons and with that he delivered the league.

For Villa his only real indulgence has been Coutinho.

He's not necessarily a very good manager, far from it it seems, but there's no evidence he's a 'cheque book manager' either.

He signed 38 players in the 3.5 years he was at Rangers.  This suggests his strategy is to buy rather than work with what hes got.

He has also said on a number of occasions that either the players start performing or we buy ones that do

He has made no attempt to play to the strengths of the players we have, but rather has replaced them with other players. 

That's what I mean by chequebook - not necessarily the amount he spent, but that his answer is to buy players not work with what we have

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Re: Next Manager Speculation/Hopes
« Reply #423 on: October 10, 2022, 09:50:13 AM »

Gerrard is a cheque book manager so don't appoint him if your not going to throw money at it

I hate sweeping comments like this with no basis in fact.  His spending at Rangers was modest - about £28m over 3 seasons and with that he delivered the league.

For Villa his only real indulgence has been Coutinho.

He's not necessarily a very good manager, far from it it seems, but there's no evidence he's a 'cheque book manager' either.

I think he's given the impression that if there's a issue in the squad his way of fixing it is 'buy another player' rather than 'improve player we already have'.

I agree, he's done very little to suggest that developing his existing players to fix problems is something he'd be happy doing.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation/Hopes
« Reply #424 on: October 10, 2022, 10:13:15 AM »
Even without the villa tinted glasses on I would think were a very attractive proposition for all but the very very top tier of managers.
Great ground, training facilities, play in the ‘best league in the world’, billionaire owners, well backed and presumably pay well.

Almost word-for-word this exact post has been typed on here many times over the years when we've been looking for/wanting a new manager. And it just never comes to pass.

(maybe under Lerner/Xia it was "rich" rather than "billionaire" but you get the point)

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Re: Next Manager Speculation/Hopes
« Reply #425 on: October 10, 2022, 10:13:22 AM »
Let's face it, the way things are going, the jobs at the Manchester clubs, Liverpool clubs, and top London clubs aren't coming up any time soon. We're a good option for anyone. And we can afford it.

I'd like to agree, but I'm not as sure it's true as I was a few months ago.
There's no compensation.  We could stick a £10m signing on fee in his pocket on day 1 if we wanted to.  That must be tempting for anyone surely?  And for us it would be money very well spent compared to most of our transfer business in the last 3 years.

It's more the transfer budget anybody really good would expect to have.  It's difficult to know and might be unfair, but the vibes feel different somehow.  Are we really (really) aiming for CL?  Feels like our next managerial appointment will reveal intentions.  My worry, and like I said, it might be unfounded, is that they are leaving Gerrard in position because the candidates we might be able to replace him with are underwhelming.  A clubs trajectory is all about momentum, and right now we haven't got any.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation/Hopes
« Reply #426 on: October 10, 2022, 10:15:34 AM »
If Everton can get Ancelotti and Newcastle can get Benitez I don’t give a fuck what Purslow says we should be capable of getting Poch if we wanted him.

One used them as a stop gap for 1 year until a better offer came along and the other was a complete disaster. This is no rationale for us getting Poch, in fact it makes the opposite argument.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation/Hopes
« Reply #427 on: October 10, 2022, 10:16:35 AM »
It's hardly cheque book when the most he spent on a player was £6.5m and they only paid transfer fees for of £1m+ for 10 signings.  In just over 3 seasons.

I havent forensically studied Rangers transfer dealings, but it seems to me there was a lot of loans and youth signings.

Anyway this is semantics.  I think we all agree he's not doing very well.  It seems to me he's entirely reliant on his coaching team and without Beale to prop him up he just isn't ready for PL management at the moment.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation/Hopes
« Reply #428 on: October 10, 2022, 10:21:46 AM »

Gerrard is a cheque book manager so don't appoint him if your not going to throw money at it

I hate sweeping comments like this with no basis in fact.  His spending at Rangers was modest - about £28m over 3 seasons and with that he delivered the league.

That's more than every other club in Scotland combined so not, in any way, "modest". He only "delivered" one trophy out of nine despite the financial doping. If the English equivalent, Man City, did the same, the manager would have been sacked.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation/Hopes
« Reply #429 on: October 10, 2022, 10:27:59 AM »

Gerrard is a cheque book manager so don't appoint him if your not going to throw money at it

I hate sweeping comments like this with no basis in fact.  His spending at Rangers was modest - about £28m over 3 seasons and with that he delivered the league.

That's more than every other club in Scotland combined so not, in any way, "modest". He only "delivered" one trophy out of nine despite the financial doping. If the English equivalent, Man City, did the same, the manager would have been sacked.
You're hatred for Rangers is ridiculous and makes you the least balanced poerson to comment on his time there on this site.  The one trophy in 9 is the usual anti-Rangers mantra that people come up with.  The fact is he delivered the one trophy that mattered.  If Ten-Hag delivers Man U the PL title in 3 seasons, Utd fans won't be pointing out the trophies he didn't win. 

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Re: Next Manager Speculation/Hopes
« Reply #430 on: October 10, 2022, 10:30:01 AM »
Man United aren't in a two team league. If Man City win one trophy out of the next nine then (assuming they don't win the Champions League), Guardiola would be sacked.

There is no planet on which winning one trophy out of nine in a two team league having outspent all your rivals can be considered successful, and no amount of rewriting history can prove otherwise.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation/Hopes
« Reply #431 on: October 10, 2022, 10:31:33 AM »
That's unfair. I hate Rangers more than him, with Brazillian Villain and Percy in the Champions League spots

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Re: Next Manager Speculation/Hopes
« Reply #432 on: October 10, 2022, 10:32:06 AM »

Gerrard is a cheque book manager so don't appoint him if your not going to throw money at it

I hate sweeping comments like this with no basis in fact.  His spending at Rangers was modest - about £28m over 3 seasons and with that he delivered the league.

That's more than every other club in Scotland combined so not, in any way, "modest". He only "delivered" one trophy out of nine despite the financial doping. If the English equivalent, Man City, did the same, the manager would have been sacked.

But you're failing to take into consideration the fact that they'd had to do a complete rebuild job, which Gerrard finalised. They weren't in the position that Man City are in where they'd dominated for a decade.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation/Hopes
« Reply #433 on: October 10, 2022, 10:34:38 AM »
Sure, that doesn't make his spending "modest", though. It also doesn't explain why he won fewer trophies than mighty St Johnstone.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation/Hopes
« Reply #434 on: October 10, 2022, 10:34:39 AM »
I don't think it's fair to disparage his record at Rangers in honesty, and I think when you do it looks like you're looking for reasons to dislike him, when the shite football we have to watch is enough on it's own.

 


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